python

Sun Apr 12 17:59:19 MST 2015

If you are not a vim-man....there has to be a double entendre in there
somewhere waiting to come out.....gedit is also a good alternative for
simple python programming. You can also add some extra plugins and have a
pretty good Python IDE -
https://trialsolution.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/gedit-as-a-python-ide/ Gedit
comes with gnome, so you may already have it installed.

A word of caution. If a book uses a particular IDE, then I would stick with
that. It can be confusing trying to understand what the book is saying
while translating into a different IDE than what is shown in the page. Just
my 2 cents.

Mark

On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> okay... thanks for sharing your experiences.
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 4:58 PM, James Mcphee <jmcphe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I prefer standard VIM, which knows how to deal with python formatting.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Head First Programming says they want us to use an editor/interpreter
>>> called IDLE. I'm thinking this is just to make things a little easier
>>> (though I do not see how saving a .py text file and typing 'python
>>> <program>' into the shell could be any easier). So what do those in the
>>> know say?
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> funny thing.... the python on my system is already python3
>>>>
>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Todd Millecam <tyggna at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, you should not worry about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> My entire career, doing full-out conversions from python 2 to python 3
>>>>> I've run into only two problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1)  In python 3, you need to output stuff via a print() as opposed to
>>>>> a print "" in python 2
>>>>> 2)  python 3 defaults all character encodings to unicode, whereas
>>>>> python 2 needed a unicode string specified with a u''
>>>>> by python 3.4, they made it so the u'' syntax is ignored and just made
>>>>> into a string.
>>>>>
>>>>> Often, to get python3, it's a package named python3
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, everything I've seen from the head-first series is basically
>>>>> just fluff where the authors care more about hearing themselves talk than
>>>>> they do about covering the subject matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly, getting ipython/bpython installed and just tab-completing
>>>>> everything and using the built-in documentation is as good as any textbook,
>>>>> but starting out that way is kinda difficult.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do have a concern though; the programs are written in Python3. In
>>>>>> 'The Hard Way' the author is very adament about NOT using Python3. Should I
>>>>>> worry about that? How would I go about installing Python3 with apt-get?
>>>>>> 2.7.6 is what is installed on my system now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yea James. thanks. I wish they had a free version but i suppose $50
>>>>>>> isn't bad for a text book?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:21 PM, James Dugger <james.dugger at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are new to programming look at
>>>>>>>> "Head First Programming: A learner 's guide to programming using
>>>>>>>> the Python language" by David Griffiths and Paul Barry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Head First books take a different approach to learning.  I gave
>>>>>>>> this book to my 10 year old son who used it to learn programming and Python.
>>>>>>>> On Apr 5, 2015 12:24 PM, "Michael Havens" <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No problem. I am doing it (badly) "... the hard way."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:21 PM, James Mcphee <jmcphe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sorry for not responding sooner, michael.  everyone learns in
>>>>>>>>>> their own way.  if a course is not for you, I can at least point you at how
>>>>>>>>>> I pick up new languages.  what works for me is the old "scratch an itch"
>>>>>>>>>> process.  find something that you want to do, and do it with a language.
>>>>>>>>>>  start small, maybe checking your email or twitter.  it's a matter of
>>>>>>>>>> getting some inertia behind you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Michael Havens <
>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please expand. How would you recommend I go about to learn this
>>>>>>>>>>> (not in a formal setting)? I can not afford to take classes and because of
>>>>>>>>>>> a head injury doubt I could complete it successfully anyways.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In your list I notice you do not mention learning any
>>>>>>>>>>> programming language. Why is that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "OS shell integration"?  Is that saying I
>>>>>>>>>>> need to learn BASH as opposed to Python?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "string operations must mean BASH....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> when you say "regular expressions"  is this a good resource here
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.aboutlinux.info/2006/01/learn-how-to-use-regular-expressions.html>?
>>>>>>>>>>> Would I use this with BASH or Python or both?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I notice that in http://learnpythonthehardway.org/ there is a
>>>>>>>>>>> section that covers using Python with websites so handling and forming
>>>>>>>>>>> automated web requests is probably covered in more advanced  Python
>>>>>>>>>>> tutorials.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So to sum it up I think I need to learn Python and BASH. Is this
>>>>>>>>>>> correct? I also need to learn XML,  JSON  (what do you mean when you say
>>>>>>>>>>> "from xml.dom import minidom ; import json") and SQL
>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For all the pen testing and hacker stuff I went through (7 some
>>>>>>>>>>> odd years ago), here's what you'll want to know how to do, in approximate
>>>>>>>>>>> order of priority:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> xml and json parsing (from xml.dom import minidom ; import json)
>>>>>>>>>>> connecting to and using a database (learn enough SQL to be able
>>>>>>>>>>> to navigate around one here too), learning sqlalchemy will be enough to
>>>>>>>>>>> land you a job in the field
>>>>>>>>>>> OS shell integration (import os)
>>>>>>>>>>> string operations
>>>>>>>>>>> regular expressions (import re)
>>>>>>>>>>> handling and forming automated web requests
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Todd Millecam
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