Re: With the Americas running out of IPv4, it’s official: The Internet is full

[Ed]

IPv6 will not happen because the telco monopoly uses NAT as a
technical wedge to control their flock of users - with NAT everyone is
just a consumer, if you want to be a first class Internet citizen you
should have your own static IP and be publishing as well as consuming.
Or get happy being the product.  happy happy joy joy

Besides, most Broadband provider networks are not set up to handle
this symmetric kind of traffic, and that certainly isn't the economic
model that is the basis for the telco's monopoly. IPv6 enables
disintermediation [1] in the consumer IT space. Since you are "their"
product, that actually amounts to emancipation - emancipation 2.0 is
going to be a bitch.

If you want IPv6, implement it inside your own networks - someday you
might just get the chance to use it on the Internet - like if Google
fiber comes to your neighborhood.  or have some utility commission
mandate it state wide - and make addresses free for the asking because
there are really that many.

Those who use Cisco deserve what they get - if you want IPv6, look into OpenBSD.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disintermediation

On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Derek Trotter
<expat.arizonan at gmail.com> wrote:
> I get the feeling that there's a tendency among many organizations to not do
> anything to get ready for IPv6 until they have to.  I'm guessing when the
> times comes that no more IPv4 addresses are available or affordable, there's
> going to be a rush to change to IPv6 and a lot of people are going to screw
> it up.
>
> On 06/13/2014 08:17 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
>
> Sad part is most technical implementations are still crippled.  Cisco has
> put on events at the past several yearly "ipv6 congress" events, and every
> year they still general client usage to be problematic in a "pure" ipv6
> environment.  I think last year was apple ios not supporting dhcpv6 various
> other nuances to the default configurations that were needed to work around
> client issues year after year.
>
> Carrier technologies like mpls are still somewhat contingent on ipv4 even,
> everything else is mostly work-in-progress.  Carrier-grade NAT solutions are
> expensive and/or still fluid in terms of spec, so most enterprises,
> especially around the US are like "we'll get to it when we have to", and
> that means at the cost of buying v4 addresses to *not* change.  Ask a
> developer how to provide ipv6 services, and I bet they'll look at you funny
> too as most haven't even gotten v4 yet.
>
> All it's doing is creating a new ecosystem of supply and demand.  Good thing
> companies like godaddy have been hoarding them for years, waiting for the
> gold rush to begin (like, now).
>
> -mb
>
>
> On 06/13/2014 10:44 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>
> with so many ipV6 addresses those should be like our social security
> numbers. Everyone is assigned one.
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:47 AM, <techlists at phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Thought you might find this article informative
>>
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/06/with-the-americas-running-out-of-ipv4-its-official-the-internet-is-full/
>>
>> Keith
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