OT: Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

Mon Aug 4 15:58:14 MST 2014

It all makes sense to me.  As for the individual, I still wonder what 
the Android market will look like 10 years from now.  Since it is 
Google's baby I think Android has 30 years in it.  Look at M$.  It has 
taken them 30+ years to become less relevant.  Maybe the cycle is 
speeding up.... maybe it is now 15 years.  15 years is good enough for 
me. The other side is enjoyment.  I cannot see myself working on 
something I do not like...... Maybe Android development might not be 
fulfilling.... I won't know until I get a chance to swim in it, and that 
might be after the new year.

On 2014-08-04 15:41, David Schwartz wrote:
> I understand your point, Keith, but even though Android uses Java, and
> Java IS considered “mainstream”, that does not seem to be translating
> into making it easy(er) to find Android mobile developers, is it?
> 
> The ones out there ARE getting top-dollar, as well as iOS developers.
> 
> C++ is also a mainstream language, and if you get RAD Studio, you get
> C++, Pascal (Delphi) and php/HTML5 in the same box, at least two of
> which ARE “mainstream”.
> 
> There’s also their newest offering, AppMethod, which has a pricing
> structure more similar to other RAD Mobile development tools.  It’s
> basically RAD Studio without the Windows-specific stuff (ie., it’s
> mobile-centric rather than Windows-centric).
> 
> Honestly, Embarcadero is taking a big gamble by investing in their
> cross-platform strategy the way they are. Any company seriously
> looking at developing the same app for both iOS and Android is stuck
> hiring two development teams with two different development tacks and
> two different sets of skill sets.
> 
> Using RAD Studio or AppMethod, this can be narrowed down to one, eg.,
> Delphi/Pascal or C++, for both platforms.
> 
> At some point, a not-too-dense CIO is going to ask, “Why do we need
> two sets of developers at $100k PER PLATFORM that uses FREE tools when
> we can spend $5k and only have to pay $100k for ONE developer?”
> 
> It would seem that “free tools” are costing an extra $95k to reach
> both platforms.
> 
> Don’t you think $5k is a lot more affordable than $95k?
> 
> (Ok, so if you’re REALLY CHEAP, it’s $50k rather than $100k, but …
> that’s STILL at least 10x the cost of a dual-platform development tool
> that ONE person can use!)
> 
> -David
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 4, 2014, at 1:56 PM, techlists at phpcoderusa.com wrote:
> 
>> 
>> In the 80's I began to develop using dBaseII, then dBaseIII... 
>> dBaseIII+, foxBase+, Clipper 87, Visual FoxPro..... It was a great 
>> file server database system that was probably the best tool on the 
>> market for developing small company database applications.
>> 
>> The problem is it was a niche skill set.  dBase jobs were few and far 
>> between.  I would still be working with FoxPro if M$ had not bought it 
>> and everyone bailed.  FoxPro is now dead thanks to M$.  That was the 
>> tool of choice for me and I would still be developing with it if it 
>> was up to me.
>> 
>> Having had that experience I am leery of tying my wagon to something 
>> like Delphi. I really enjoyed Turbo Pascal in the early to mid 80's. 
>> I'm sure I would enjoy object oriented Turbo Pascal ie Delphi. I've 
>> heard tons of good things about Dephi going back maybe 10 or 12 years, 
>> maybe longer.
>> 
>> Unfortunately Delphi is not main stream enough for me. I do not want 
>> to tie my wagon to another FoxPro.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2014-08-04 13:35, David Schwartz wrote:
>>> Delphi is just as easy to use as VB, if not easier.
>>> Have you looked at it lately?
>>> It’s just not considered “mainstream” any longer.
>>> People say, “Oh, is THAT still around?”
>>> Yup. Check it out.
>>> http://embarcadero.com
>>> They also have a tool they now call HTML5Builder or something along
>>> that line, which is an allusion to their C++ Builder app — a C++
>>> version of Delphi.  HTML5Builder is a PHP/HTML5 version.
>>> -David "The Tool Wiz" Schwartz
>>> On Aug 4, 2014, at 11:40 AM, techlists at phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>>>> On 2014-08-04 10:57, David Schwartz wrote:
>>>>> Now we’ve got a new language: Apple introduced Swift and is making 
>>>>> it
>>>>> available for free, like their other tools. This is going to 
>>>>> stimulate
>>>>> a whole new generation of devleopers to jump into the fray and 
>>>>> start
>>>>> building apps for iOS — apps that are going to be hard to “port” 
>>>>> over
>>>>> to Android platforms, or even web platforms.
>>>>> I’ve talked with Joe about his app. To his credit, he’s focused 
>>>>> mainly
>>>>> on the app. But what he’s missed is the fact that, IMHO, he’s
>>>>> over-spec’ed it to the point where you'd need so much custom code 
>>>>> to
>>>>> impement what appears to be a simple tool that he’ll never be happy
>>>>> with the end result. His UI design makes assumptions based on HIS
>>>>> experience with *nix shell scripting, and he clearly explains this 
>>>>> in
>>>>> the spec. There are no native widgets that work like “grep” in the
>>>>> Android world!  So he’ll be extremely hard-pressed to find anybody
>>>>> who’ll build it for him within the budget he’s demanding.
>>>>> I’ve worked with something called Delphi since Borland introduced 
>>>>> it
>>>>> in 1995. Starting with the XE2 release a few years back, they’ve 
>>>>> been
>>>>> embracing a multi-platform targeting strategy where you can develop
>>>>> apps in one language that will run on any of the popular platforms:
>>>>> Windows, OS X, iOS, and Android. And it actually WORKS!
>>>> This is what we need - build once run everywhere.  I personally 
>>>> think web development is way behind in they types of tools we have.  
>>>> I often wonder why we do not have something like VB that is drag and 
>>>> drop.  Instead we build everything every time.  The web dev model is 
>>>> very expensive.
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