Off Topic Discussions

[Lisa Kachold]

All,

Since Society has changed, and people who used to have a great deal of time
and resources are scrambling to take lower quality jobs, or second
contracts to feed their families, politics is of great importance.

Politics has always been a big subject for Unix/Linux-ites.   I suggested
that we add a non-archived list expressly for the purpose of political
discourse.

Of course that suggestion was NEVER VOTED On!

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Not your fault Mike. It could have easily been something else!
>
> ------------------------
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On *Wed, 6/12/13, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Off Topic Discussions
> To: nathan at nmecs.com, "Main PLUG discussion list" <
> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
> Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:56 PM
>
> honest.... whaat was posted that started this tirade was an accident. I
> meant to share the company that rejects the sharing of our web activities.
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Nathan England <nathan at nmecs.com<http://mc/compose?to=nathan@nmecs.com>
> > wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 01:06:44 PM Ted Gould wrote:
> Wonderful, and your blog is a great place for that.  I support you being
> outspoken about the issues in your private space.  But the PLUG list is a
> communal space, and with that comes certain communal norms.  For instance:
> no
> shoes, no shirt, no service.  That establishes norms for certain areas that
> contain that banner.  Certainly it restricts your freedom, but it is also
> about someone establishing norms in a space to encourage a more diverse
> set of
> participants.
>
> Ted
>
> What is ironic is we have destroyed the community of the PLUG. I have been
> on
> this list for over 10 years. Through that time I have come to know many
> people
> whom I consider friends. While the list may have a specific focus, since
> the
> beginning, us friends used this list to communicate all kinds of things
> that
> we cared about and we shared it with eachother through the list as a means
> for
> creating a group discussion rather than just between a few of us.
>
> Society has changed. In our vast attempt to be open minded of everyone else
> and tolerant, almost entirely pushed by the LGBT groups, no one is
> tolerant of
> anything and no one is allowed to say anything for fear of offending
> someone
> else. You know, we have a freedom of speech in this country and not every
> word
> spoken is hateful though it may personally offend *you*.
>
> Grow up. Put your big boy pants on and stop whining! This isn't the third
> grade anymore. I have opinions and a right to share them. You have opinions
> and whether I agree with them or not I want to hear them!
>
> God forbid someone challenge someone. I have a strong foundation and I know
> what I believe, but you telling your opinion about something that I do not
> agree with does not shake my foundation so much that I get upset and I can
> no
> longer think for my self. I value other peoples opinions, otherwise I would
> not share my own.
>
> When Obama was elected the first round he stated he wanted his cabinet to
> be
> filled with people who did not agree with him. I thought it was  a
> brilliant
> idea! What better than a large group of advisors who will share differing
> opinions. Of course, later we found out the advisors were nothing more than
> large contributors to his campaigns and he was repaying them for their
> deeds.
> What a loser.
>
> If we cannot share our opinions then I formally request this list become
> moderated so that no one might accidentally offend the weak minded on this
> list.
>
> Nathan
>
>

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