OT: Java vs PHP

[Bryan O'Neal]

I am in agreement with Joseph
On Jan 20, 2013 6:32 PM, "Joseph Sinclair" <plug-discussion at stcaz.net>
wrote:

> A little nervous jumping into the perennial language/platform discussions,
> but here goes. (and please understand these are opinions, based on my
> experience, nothing here should be interpreted as an invitation to argue if
> X is better than Y; it isn't and it's not worth arguing about)
>
> There are more Java programmers than any other language or platform, at
> least for the past few years.  Every college program I know of uses Java as
> the language of teaching, so new grad programmers almost all can work in
> Java (perhaps not very well, but they know the language and platform).
>
> If you're working on something quick, go with what you know.  It seems
> that PHP is what you know already, so go with that.
>
> If you're building a larger system, then, if possible, start with
> something open-source and modify to suit.
> If you cannot start from an open base, then (given the options you
> present) build in Java for a web application and use some of the thousands
> of open libraries to help (the maven build tool does a great job of
> managing dependencies).  There are many good reasons that Amazon is built
> almost entirely on Java, as are many (if not most) other large commerce
> sites and services.
>
> Be aware that, coming from a small-project background, you should expect
> everything to take 5-10 times longer than you would normally estimate.
>  You'll be building something bigger than what you're used to, and building
> a large system to be high quality and maintainable requires a lot more time
> and effort than a small project.  Also, if building in Java, get a real
> expert in the platform (and I don't mean a "Spring expert") to provide
> technical leadership; like any large platform there are many ways to do
> things, and some will be far more maintainable down the line than others.
>
> I, personally (with exceptions, of course), tend to lean towards Java for
> web-based systems (particularly if the domain lends itself best to a REST
> SOA/ESB type architecture), C++ for locally-installed applications or
> system-software, Python or Groovy to script things together, Javascript for
> in-browser interaction, Scala or Erlang for high-throughput event-driven
> and asynchronous MPI systems (e.g. AMQP services), and a grab-bag of other
> tools when needed.
>
> ==Joseph++
>
> One final note (at the risk of starting a two-front ideology war). I saw
> someone recommending Waterfall as a development methodology. This is a
> recipe for failure, as proven over, and over, and over (in academic papers,
> peer-reviewed scientific studies, and commercial results too numerous to
> list) during the past 30 years. There are exceptions, but you're not
> building a life-critical embedded system, you're building a web system.
> Avoid Waterfall methodologies and start with a well-used agile methodology
> (e.g. Scrum, Kanban, XP, etc...), try to stick to the methodology as much
> as possible for the first year of using it.
>
>
> On 01/20/2013 12:24 PM, keith smith wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am in the process of planning a web project.� I'm thinking possibly
> using Java.� To this point I have done all my web projects using PHP.� I
> know there will be a learning curve.
> >
> > My main question is the availability of Java programmers.� It seems
> there is a lot of PHP talent available for PHP projects.� I like that there
> is a lot of availability of PHP programmer because that makes my apps
> supportable if I move on or am otherwise not available.�
> >
> > I have not met a lot of Java programmers, so I assume they are not
> available the same way PHP programmers are.� In other words I think I can
> visit Gang Plank HQ and find a hand full of PHP programmers that I would
> fee good about pulling into a project.� I'm not sure I can say the same
> with Java programmers, however I have not paid much attention when it comes
> to Java programmers.�
> >
> > You thoughts are much appreciated!!�
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > Keith Smith
> >
>
>
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