Wed Feb 6 18:16:46 MST 2013

Contrary to popular belief... You cannot legislate morality. Making "hate" 
illegal does nothing for the society that law was written for except make it 
legal for the "hated" to sue the "hater". 

In large part minorities have self segregated themselves and don't want to 
change it. As much as I disagree with affirmative action, it could have been 
used to help them, but in the end it did not. 

The ongoing indoctrination of entitlement in our society with supersede any 
legislated help that could ever be created. Because, in the end, the attitude 
is not "Hey I was given a hand, I took it, and look how much better I am 
because of it", but rather "yeah, well you owed me anyway." Then when they 
fail because they had a poor attitude about it to begin with, it becomes the 
majorities fault as well.

A mindset of a people must be changed by the character of its people. 
Unfortunately, the entitlement mindset in this country will not allow 
minorities to ever acheive rank on their own. It must be legislated. Hence, 
affirmative action.

Nathan

On Wednesday, February 06, 2013 18:06:21 JD Austin wrote:

I think MLK said it pretty well: "I have a dream that my four children will 
one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their 
skin but by the content of their character."
We're not there yet.  Someday we'll have a color blind society where malicious 
'kingdom builders' will not seek to divide us; I hope in my lifetime.  

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Nathan England <nathan at nmecs.com> wrote:

With the fear of sounding racist, and I'm really trying not to be...

We live in a culture that has spent a LOT of time trying to artificially 
elevate minorities in society (despite their resistance) and a lot of time 
trying to make the majority feel guilty for everything they say and/or do. 

Rappers can say and do a LOT of things that no other group can do because the 
belittled public is scared to death of being labeled a racist, fearmonger or 
as the newest generation has so eloquently put it, a "hater". 

Society today is really rather pathetic. 

Nathan

On Wednesday, February 06, 2013 11:05:40 keith smith wrote:

They say all that and more in rap music.  

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Keith Smith

--- On Wed, 2/6/13, Derek Trotter <expat.arizonan at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Derek Trotter <expat.arizonan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re:
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 11:53 AM

Yes they are.  In the 80 I used to listen to Doctor Demento.  There's one song 
that comes to mind.  I believe it was called The homecoming queen has got a 
gun.  Of course that would never be played today.

On 02/06/2013 11:40 AM, keith smith wrote:

Things are much different today than 40 years ago, that is for sure!

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Keith Smith

--- On Wed, 2/6/13, Derek Trotter <expat.arizonan at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Derek Trotter <expat.arizonan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re:
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 11:31 AM

Of course I don't actually endorse shooting them.  It's just a way to express 
my frustration at spammers.  I lived much of my life in a time where people in 
this country could say what they wanted without fear of being punished by the 
government.  I forget this is no longer a free country.  I'll apologize to 
anyone who was offended by my remarks.  One more thing to consider; a 
government bent on taking away peoples' rights will not depend on truth.  It 
will make up an excuse if truth does not provide one.

On 02/06/2013 07:52 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

Bad Trotter, bad! 

We are on the precipice of losing the last few rights we were endowed with, 
and you think joking about shooting spammers is noteworthy? 

Why don't you just hack them out of existance? 

Come to Hackfest the 2nd Saturday of every month at DeVry University in 
Phoenix from 11-2PM. 

Call me is you get lost! 

On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Derek Trotter <expat.arizonan at gmail.com> 
wrote:

When will it be legal to shoot the people who send out this crap?

On 02/03/2013 04:09 PM, Jamie Shackles wrote:

Hi! 

http://www.bikebrake.com/meoqvbr.html 

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