ot Online school

Michael Havens bmike1 at gmail.com
Thu Aug 9 21:25:35 MST 2012


that won't work. need windows.
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll look at sky drive.
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Stephen <cryptworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Also i have been liking the fee live office apps that have been partnered
>> with skydrive. It might be woth looking at also.
>> On Aug 9, 2012 9:02 AM, "Michael Butash" <michael at butash.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Win7 was a pig for me, wanted 20g or so just to install (not cool on a
>>> 64gb ssd vs. 8gb for xp with os, apps, fully loaded), and 2gb ram to run
>>> decently (4gb if i wanted to power-use a lot of visio and other apps).
>>> Overall for as little as I do with windoze, xp is more than sufficient
>>> still as a compatibility layer to export their garbage to something usable.
>>>
>>> I found at a client of mine that used citrix xenapp, it's literally runs
>>> a win vm, exports the app over the network ala vbox's "seamless" mode, and
>>> you end up with a windoze-y app window inside linux.  I really wish they
>>> didn't license the living hell out of xenapp on both the citrix and M$
>>> side, as it would make for a nice solution at home too for my windoze-app
>>> sans windoze necessity.
>>>
>>> Word of warning, I keep my windows instance hidden on a nat interfaces
>>> and/or behind a firewall bridged at all times to protect it from exposure
>>> for lack of patching and such, and never use it for actual browsing or
>>> anything to avoid drive-by infections.  It manages to keep it from being
>>> perpetually infected like most other users I see without the necessity of
>>> av, malware, and other chastity belts for windoze.
>>>
>>> Yes I know about wine, but it's proven useless for any complex M$ apps
>>> over the years.
>>>
>>> Side-note, Onlive (gaming remote render/export client) does something
>>> like this now, exporting a limited free win7 desktop with office apps now
>>> I've been meaning to try.  I had tried on my phone, but their stupid client
>>> simply fails to work on my android - ymmv.  I might actually pay to save
>>> from having to keep a win vm just to convert things and/or use visio,
>>> assuming Onlive fixes their damn client...
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/09/2012 05:35 AM, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> It will run on 1 but 2 is better.
>>>>
>>>> And 2 cores are best vs 1
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 9, 2012 12:11 AM, "Michael Havens" <bmike1 at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     virtual machine! why didn't I think of that. What are the minimum
>>>>     memory requirements for 7. (I don't have XP but I do have 7)
>>>>     :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Michael Butash <michael at butash.net
>>>>     <mailto:michael at butash.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Just FYI, consulting and being aatround random shops with
>>>>         customer and vendor docs, I find a lot of the .pptx, docx, or
>>>>         xlsx files are spotty at best what works under linux, what works
>>>>         sanely (complex forumlas==poop), and what just crashes
>>>>         openoffice.  Libreoffice is almost useless with the new formats,
>>>>         as the dev's don't feel they need to support microsoft's
>>>>         continued forced incompatibility with everyone else on purpose
>>>>         (can't blame them either).  Obviously M$ doesn't care, as most
>>>>         people just keep buying office when microsoft tells them to
>>>>         every few years to stay "compatible" with their own poop.
>>>>
>>>>         I keep an xp vm in virtualbox for this reason at all times,
>>>>         generally with real office (well, as real as usenet gets for
>>>>         clean slipstream install images), just to make sure if I *have*
>>>>         to resort to exporting from it to something I can use (2000-03
>>>>         compat office formats). Seamless mode under linux i found
>>>>         finally works decently, reduces the sting of using windows
>>>>         significantly and hides it to keep my linux desktop cred.  ;)
>>>>
>>>>         Likewise creating complex formatted docs are horribly
>>>>         incompatible usually under real m$office from libre/openoffice,
>>>>         so export as pdf is your friend when passing back and forth to
>>>>         windoze users.
>>>>
>>>>         Really sucks it has to be this way - thanks microsoft.
>>>>
>>>>         -mb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 08/08/2012 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Its cool.... I was surprised they specified an OS as well.
>>>>               but the
>>>>             university of Minnesota seems more willing to work with me.
>>>>             This is what
>>>>             they said (in part):
>>>>
>>>>             Firefox or Chrome for Linux should work fine for Moodle.
>>>>             Open Office for
>>>>             Linux saves as Word and in other MS compatible formats. We
>>>>             also have
>>>>             Google Docs as a University implementation so you can use
>>>>             those online
>>>>             apps.
>>>>
>>>>             As long as you can view the following types of files you
>>>>             should be able
>>>>             to access most anything in the courses:
>>>>
>>>>                * Video
>>>>                    o .mp4, .wmv, Flash (flv or swf),
>>>>                * Word Processing
>>>>                    o .docx, .doc (may require a document viewer for
>>>> .docx)
>>>>                * PowerPoint
>>>>                    o .pptx, .ppt (may require a document viewer for
>>>> .pptx)
>>>>                * PDF
>>>>                * Excel
>>>>                    o occasionally .xlst, .xls
>>>>                * Web browser (Chrome or Firefox may be the best choices,
>>>>             you are
>>>>
>>>>                  welcome to try others)
>>>>
>>>>             As Mark mentions, the only course we have that is geared
>>>>             specifically to
>>>>             a Microsoft product is Spreadsheets (CA 1020) but if you
>>>>             want to take
>>>>             that course and can accomplish the tasks without the Windows
>>>>             based
>>>>             interface tutorials and save the files as .xls, we'll get
>>>>             you into the
>>>>             section (different instructors) where you will not be
>>>>             required to use MS
>>>>             Office.
>>>>             SO I think I'll be paying them for my degree!
>>>>             :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Harold Wong
>>>>             <Harold.Wong at microsoft.com <mailto:Harold.Wong at microsoft.**
>>>> com <Harold.Wong at microsoft.com>>
>>>>             <mailto:Harold.Wong at microsoft.**__com
>>>>             <mailto:Harold.Wong at microsoft.**com<Harold.Wong at microsoft.com>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                  I’m surprised that the online school is requiring you
>>>>             to run a
>>>>                  specific OS.  With that said, if you really need
>>>>             Windows 7 for
>>>>                  school and want to continue to use Linux as your main
>>>>             OS, I would
>>>>                  recommend virtualizing it as that would be much
>>>>             simpler.____
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>>>>                  *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:03 AM
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>>>>                  *Subject:* Re: ot Online school____
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>>>>                  Not to be fatalistic, but you're probably going to have
>>>>             a hard time
>>>>                  finding a university that isn't very MS-happy.____
>>>>
>>>>                  __ __
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                  Installing on an external hard drive is problematic at
>>>>             best. I'm
>>>>                  pretty sure Windows protects against that.
>>>>             Licensing/piracy reasons.____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                  On 8 August 2012 10:56, Michael Havens
>>>>             <bmike1 at gmail.com <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>             <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com>>>
>>>> wrote:____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                  they want $305/credit hour. Is that the going rate for
>>>>             a University
>>>>                  now a days? I think I'm going to go with a school that
>>>>             isn't so in
>>>>                  bed with MS. UMN is  not in bed with em.____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                  or else.... coulde I out it on an external HD?
>>>>                  :-)~MIKE~(-:____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                  ____
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>>>>                  On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen
>>>>             <cryptworks at gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks at gmail.com>
>>>>             <mailto:cryptworks at gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks at gmail.com>>
>>>> **>
>>>>             wrote:____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                  the pert i left out is if you install windows to the
>>>>             drive that has
>>>>                  Linux on it. even if you re-size the drives to make
>>>>             space it will
>>>>                  overwrite grub, and you will need to re-install and
>>>>             reconfigure it.
>>>>                  alternative install win7 in KVM or virtualbox.____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                  On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Stephen
>>>>             <cryptworks at gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks at gmail.com>
>>>>             <mailto:cryptworks at gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks at gmail.com>>
>>>> **>
>>>>             wrote:
>>>>              > well personally if you can just install to a new drive
>>>>             then you can
>>>>              > have it pristine and configure grub...
>>>>              >
>>>>              >
>>>>              > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Havens
>>>>             <bmike1 at gmail.com <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>             <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>              >> I need to put 7  back on my computer for school. How do
>>>>             you do
>>>>                  it w/o
>>>>              >> blowing everything else away (ie on another partition).
>>>>             I also
>>>>                  need to
>>>>              >> repartition. How big does it need to be for 7?
>>>>              >> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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