ot Online school
Michael Butash
michael at butash.net
Thu Aug 9 09:01:54 MST 2012
Win7 was a pig for me, wanted 20g or so just to install (not cool on a
64gb ssd vs. 8gb for xp with os, apps, fully loaded), and 2gb ram to run
decently (4gb if i wanted to power-use a lot of visio and other apps).
Overall for as little as I do with windoze, xp is more than sufficient
still as a compatibility layer to export their garbage to something usable.
I found at a client of mine that used citrix xenapp, it's literally runs
a win vm, exports the app over the network ala vbox's "seamless" mode,
and you end up with a windoze-y app window inside linux. I really wish
they didn't license the living hell out of xenapp on both the citrix and
M$ side, as it would make for a nice solution at home too for my
windoze-app sans windoze necessity.
Word of warning, I keep my windows instance hidden on a nat interfaces
and/or behind a firewall bridged at all times to protect it from
exposure for lack of patching and such, and never use it for actual
browsing or anything to avoid drive-by infections. It manages to keep
it from being perpetually infected like most other users I see without
the necessity of av, malware, and other chastity belts for windoze.
Yes I know about wine, but it's proven useless for any complex M$ apps
over the years.
Side-note, Onlive (gaming remote render/export client) does something
like this now, exporting a limited free win7 desktop with office apps
now I've been meaning to try. I had tried on my phone, but their stupid
client simply fails to work on my android - ymmv. I might actually pay
to save from having to keep a win vm just to convert things and/or use
visio, assuming Onlive fixes their damn client...
-mb
On 08/09/2012 05:35 AM, Stephen wrote:
> It will run on 1 but 2 is better.
>
> And 2 cores are best vs 1
>
> On Aug 9, 2012 12:11 AM, "Michael Havens" <bmike1 at gmail.com
> <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> virtual machine! why didn't I think of that. What are the minimum
> memory requirements for 7. (I don't have XP but I do have 7)
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Michael Butash <michael at butash.net
> <mailto:michael at butash.net>> wrote:
>
> Just FYI, consulting and being aatround random shops with
> customer and vendor docs, I find a lot of the .pptx, docx, or
> xlsx files are spotty at best what works under linux, what works
> sanely (complex forumlas==poop), and what just crashes
> openoffice. Libreoffice is almost useless with the new formats,
> as the dev's don't feel they need to support microsoft's
> continued forced incompatibility with everyone else on purpose
> (can't blame them either). Obviously M$ doesn't care, as most
> people just keep buying office when microsoft tells them to
> every few years to stay "compatible" with their own poop.
>
> I keep an xp vm in virtualbox for this reason at all times,
> generally with real office (well, as real as usenet gets for
> clean slipstream install images), just to make sure if I *have*
> to resort to exporting from it to something I can use (2000-03
> compat office formats). Seamless mode under linux i found
> finally works decently, reduces the sting of using windows
> significantly and hides it to keep my linux desktop cred. ;)
>
> Likewise creating complex formatted docs are horribly
> incompatible usually under real m$office from libre/openoffice,
> so export as pdf is your friend when passing back and forth to
> windoze users.
>
> Really sucks it has to be this way - thanks microsoft.
>
> -mb
>
>
>
> On 08/08/2012 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>
> Its cool.... I was surprised they specified an OS as well.
> but the
> university of Minnesota seems more willing to work with me.
> This is what
> they said (in part):
>
> Firefox or Chrome for Linux should work fine for Moodle.
> Open Office for
> Linux saves as Word and in other MS compatible formats. We
> also have
> Google Docs as a University implementation so you can use
> those online
> apps.
>
> As long as you can view the following types of files you
> should be able
> to access most anything in the courses:
>
> * Video
> o .mp4, .wmv, Flash (flv or swf),
> * Word Processing
> o .docx, .doc (may require a document viewer for .docx)
> * PowerPoint
> o .pptx, .ppt (may require a document viewer for .pptx)
> * PDF
> * Excel
> o occasionally .xlst, .xls
> * Web browser (Chrome or Firefox may be the best choices,
> you are
>
> welcome to try others)
>
> As Mark mentions, the only course we have that is geared
> specifically to
> a Microsoft product is Spreadsheets (CA 1020) but if you
> want to take
> that course and can accomplish the tasks without the Windows
> based
> interface tutorials and save the files as .xls, we'll get
> you into the
> section (different instructors) where you will not be
> required to use MS
> Office.
> SO I think I'll be paying them for my degree!
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Harold Wong
> <Harold.Wong at microsoft.com <mailto:Harold.Wong at microsoft.com>
> <mailto:Harold.Wong at microsoft.__com
> <mailto:Harold.Wong at microsoft.com>>> wrote:
>
> I’m surprised that the online school is requiring you
> to run a
> specific OS. With that said, if you really need
> Windows 7 for
> school and want to continue to use Linux as your main
> OS, I would
> recommend virtualizing it as that would be much
> simpler.____
>
> __ __
>
>
> Harold Wong
> Chief Technical Evangelist – Private Cloud | US
> Developer & Platform
> Evangelism - West Region
> Office: (425) 706-3501 <tel:%28425%29%20706-3501>
> <tel:%28425%29%20706-3501> | Blog:
> blogs.technet.com/haroldwong
> <http://blogs.technet.com/haroldwong>
> <http://blogs.technet.com/__haroldwong
> <http://blogs.technet.com/haroldwong>>
>
> MCITP Server Administrator | MCITP Enterprise
> Administrator | MCITP
> Enterprise Messaging Administrator 2007 / 2010 | VCP5____
>
> __ __
>
> *From:*plug-discuss-bounces at __lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at __lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>>
> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at __lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at __lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>>] *On
> Behalf
> Of *Adam McCullough
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:03 AM
> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: ot Online school____
>
> __ __
>
>
> Not to be fatalistic, but you're probably going to have
> a hard time
> finding a university that isn't very MS-happy.____
>
> __ __
>
>
> Installing on an external hard drive is problematic at
> best. I'm
> pretty sure Windows protects against that.
> Licensing/piracy reasons.____
>
>
> On 8 August 2012 10:56, Michael Havens
> <bmike1 at gmail.com <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com>>> wrote:____
>
>
> they want $305/credit hour. Is that the going rate for
> a University
> now a days? I think I'm going to go with a school that
> isn't so in
> bed with MS. UMN is not in bed with em.____
>
>
> or else.... coulde I out it on an external HD?
> :-)~MIKE~(-:____
>
>
>
> ____
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen
> <cryptworks at gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks at gmail.com>
> <mailto:cryptworks at gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:____
>
>
> the pert i left out is if you install windows to the
> drive that has
> Linux on it. even if you re-size the drives to make
> space it will
> overwrite grub, and you will need to re-install and
> reconfigure it.
> alternative install win7 in KVM or virtualbox.____
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Stephen
> <cryptworks at gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks at gmail.com>
> <mailto:cryptworks at gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> > well personally if you can just install to a new drive
> then you can
> > have it pristine and configure grub...
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Havens
> <bmike1 at gmail.com <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com <mailto:bmike1 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >> I need to put 7 back on my computer for school. How do
> you do
> it w/o
> >> blowing everything else away (ie on another partition).
> I also
> need to
> >> repartition. How big does it need to be for 7?
> >> :-)~MIKE~(-:
> >>
> >> ------------------------------__---------------------
> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
> PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.__plug.phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>>
>
> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> >>
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss
> <http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will
> prevent you
> from
> > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the
> snooze button.
> >
> > Stephen
>
>
>
> --
> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will
> prevent you from
> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the
> snooze button.
>
> Stephen
> ------------------------------__---------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
> PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.__plug.phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>>
>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss____
> <http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss____>
>
> __ __
>
>
>
> ------------------------------__---------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
> PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.__plug.phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>>
>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss____
> <http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss____>
>
> __ __
>
>
>
> ------------------------------__---------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
> PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.__plug.phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>>
>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss
> <http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------__---------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
> PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss
> <http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss>
>
> ------------------------------__---------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
> PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss <http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
More information about the PLUG-discuss
mailing list