DefCon for kids

Tue Jun 28 20:43:11 MST 2011

I am of the opinion that science is not always correct, regardless of how
much "study" has been done. Science telling me that the human brain is not
capable of making a decision without considering the consequences of the
decision, yet all our known life came from some primordial ooze, or all
existing matter came about through a one in a billion random chance big
bang, only proves to me that science is not always right. More like the
science is created to cater to someone's agenda.

I specifically remember as a young child considering the consequences of my
actions. Of course, I was also "spanked" as a child! oh no! someone call Dr.
Spock! I think in reality we are trying to make these punk adolescents feel
better by telling them it is not their faults, in order for a baby boomer
society to make up for a lack of discipline in their homes while raising
their children.

just my .02

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Eric Cope <eric.cope at gmail.com> wrote:

> There was a book published with the last few years talking about adolescent
> decision making. Adolescents have different value systems making their
> decisions look poor from adults point of view, but actually quite rational.
> It's was titled "the case against adolescence".
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Lisa Kachold <lisakachold at obnosis.com> wrote:
>
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> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Lee Reynolds < <Lee.Reynolds at asu.edu>
> Lee.Reynolds at asu.edu> wrote:
> > The human brain doesn't recognize consequences until age 25?
> >
> > That sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me, the kind of stuff that is
> used to make excuses for adults acting like overgrown adolescents.  Perhaps
> the issue is not a matter of neurological development, but a matter of
> parents allowing their grown children to persist in a child-like state until
> they are almost 30.  I'm only 38 myself, but I do remember the days when
> growing up meant you grew up.  Maybe you went off to college, maybe you
> joined the military, maybe you lived with your folks but paid serious rent
> while attending college close to home.  But whatever you did, you were
> expected to be an adult, not a child.  Today many people in their early 20's
> are still living with mom and dad as if high school never ended.  Allowing
> someone to persist in that kind of a cocoon is a great way to wind up with
> someone who at first glance does not appear to understand consequences, when
> in truth they've simply never had to function in life as a normal adult.
> >
> > </rant_mode=off>
>
>
> I am not sure if it would be called "junk" but it's neuroscience backed up
> by long behavioral studies and statistics, as well as imaging.
>
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> <http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=consequences+brain+age+25&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=1df85bb4ccbea692&biw=900&bih=330>
> http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=consequences+brain+age+25&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=1df85bb4ccbea692&biw=900&bih=330
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: <plug-discuss-bounces at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> plug-discuss-bounces at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us on behalf of Kevin Brown
> > Sent: Tue 6/28/2011 5:17 PM
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> > Subject: Re: DefCon for kids
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> >>> Sounds like Cathy's daughter is the perfect person for DefCon according
> to
> >>> Chris' "Why is DefCon like sudoku?" presentation earlier this month.
> >>>
> >>>
> <http://mychildssuitcase.blogspot.com/2011/06/channelling-energy-of-geeky-techy-kids.html>
> http://mychildssuitcase.blogspot.com/2011/06/channelling-energy-of-geeky-techy-kids.html
> >>
> >> There is a good deal of material presented at DefCon that gives
> >> credence and lip service to breaking laws without consequences.  Youth
> >> are already at a disadvantage since the human brain does not recognize
> >> consequences until around 25 years old, while being required to be
> >> accountable since the age of 18.
> >
> > This sounds like junk science. Kids as young as 2 and 3 lie to avoid
> > getting into trouble which suggests they understand consequences for
> > their actions.
> >
> >> I would carefully counsel your daughters and sons about some of what
> >> is presented, the current state of government surveillance in America,
> >> and exactly where and when they have encroached private property and
> >> consequences.   A good example is the back page of 2600 magazine where
> >> jail inmates are given free classified space to write desperately for
> >> penpals from jail for such crimes.
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I believe in the Constitution and the 4th Amendment. I am innocent and have
nothing to hide, but NO agent of the state crosses my threshhold without a
valid warrant signed by a judge and properly submitted. If we fail to
exercise our rights, we lose them.
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