OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application

[Tim Bogart]

I'm pretty sure expungment is an entirely separate process if I'm not mistaken. 
 If you've gone through the process of being charged and tried for a crime, even 
if you were found innocent or exonerated or whatever the result, I believe it's 
still a matter of public record forever and ever, unless as you say, it gets 
expunged.  Not even a Presidential pardon as I understand it is the equivalent 
of an expungment if I'm not mistaken.  I'm not an attorney, but I'm pretty 
darned sure of that which I say on this subject.  Any lawyers out there who wish 
to offer a ruling on this?  I can always be wrong.  That's why I try never to 
speak in absolutes.  This level of the discussion is moot for me because I'm not 
an attorney and any opinion I have on the subject emanates from an orifice from 
which oratory is not worth the time it takes.

Tim



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From: JD Austin <jd at twingeckos.com>
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 3:03:40 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application

I'm glad I don't work somewhere like that.  If I was acquitted/exonerated of a 
crime I wouldn't list it on an application either!  I can't think of a reason 
anyone would.  If it was a crime I'd been convicted of that was later expunged I 
would list it though; perhaps that is what you're referring to?   


On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 14:54, Tim Bogart <timbogart at yahoo.com> wrote:

No.  Maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough.  No, they did not terminate 
people for having a brush with the law and being found innocent or acquitted or 
for whatever reason, were not convicted.  They terminated those people for 
FAILING TO DISCLOSE their brush with the law, and the accompanying details on 
the application.  Understandable in my mind.
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>Tim...
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 From: JD Austin <jd at twingeckos.com>
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>Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 2:48:46 PM
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>Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application
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>Hold on.. they fired people that were ACQUITTED of a crime?  That seems a bit 
>too far :(
>If a court can't find them guilty how can an employer?
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>On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 14:38, Tim Bogart <timbogart at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>I like your response.  At a company with which I worked for many years, many 
>years ago used to send me email on a daily basis listing folks who had been 
>terminated.  Of those, many were terminated because of falsehoods on their 
>applications.  And of those, not nearly, but ALL were due to information omitted 
>regarding some crime that the individual had committed.  And they ran the gambit 
>from robbery to murder.  Yes, murder, believe it or not. But in fairness, of 
>those, they involved folks who had been tried for murder and had been exonerated 
>by some means (found not guilty, thrown out due to mistrial or other reasons) 
>but the point is that they had concealed the facts regarding criminal activities 
>(I mean seriously, how can you forget to list something like  that, or how can 
>you think it somehow doesn't qualify as something a potential employer would not 
>be interested?) that are easily checked.
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>>Tim B.
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>>I'm sticking with Grandpa Jones here...
>>"True is stranger than fact."
>>Hee-Haw
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