[Craig White]

On Sun, 2010-02-21 at 16:36 -0800, keith smith wrote:
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> --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Craig White <craigwhite at azapple.com> wrote:

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> > I found it refreshingly easier to learn and work with.
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> > Craig
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> I worked with CodeIgniter sometime ago and found the learning curve to be more than I liked.  I also found it to be confining.  Maybe it was just me.
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> I have since started to use the MVC pattern in PHP development, which helps with keeping the code clean.  Controler in one file, Data in another, View in another.  Much cleaner and might even speedup the development time.
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> Rapid Application Development is something I have brought up on the PHP list several times, since I started on the command line, traveled through the RAD GUI era and am now doing browser based stuff.
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> It feels like we are back in the DOS days of command-line development.  We lack the ability to visually drag a widget onto a form and set it's configuration and move on to the next widget.  Not only did you get what you saw, it was a lot faster.
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> I'm always looking for ways to work faster and more efficiently but do not see it at this point.
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> I have entertained Delphi for PHP because that may be the closest we get to a RAD GUI for building browser based applications.
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> I'm very interested in hearing anyone's and everyone's responses.
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every framework that I have ever seen is confining...that is the point
of a framework. And yes, they will have their own learning curves but
you seem to toss away what benefits you actually derive from using the
framework.

In the case of RoR, you not only get a prescribed MVC structure, you
inherit thousands of predefined methods (some languages would describe
them as procedures), view helpers, db abstraction and integrated
testing.

Don't confuse the topics of development tools and language/frameworks -
they are entirely separate issues.

If you want rapid development with GUI interfaces, just use Filemaker or
4D or go back to FoxBase. Many years ago I saw a demonstration of
Apple's Web Objects - very cool, but I never knew a soul who actually
used it.

Craig


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