Sonoran Penguin

[Michael Butash]

I wouldn't call it a problem per se, perhaps simply a lack of
motivation, but thus far I haven't seen too much of an issue.  Politics
annoy me, but I've learned to simply ignore the cruft - others maybe not
so much.  I've not been watching or interacting with the list long, but
I haven't seen much of what I'd call abuse to the point of needing a
true steering committee ala moderation and/or hounding.  That's
typically about the time I lose interest.

What I have seen for the most part is (what I'd consider) vibrant
participation in mostly relevant discussions, without moderation or
attitude attitude that normally develops on lists like these.  I'd say
most or all of us are professional enough to respect that, keep egos in
check, and that's largely what got me watching and participating in
discussion in the first place.  Its refreshing there isn't constant
quoting of rules, moderation, or in general preaching.

I don't do forums for various reasons, and to me this feels like the
last bastion of the "old world" that still works to maintain my
interest, and works mostly well.  Thus far, I wouldn't say I'd recommend
changing anything, but I'm fairly simple to please.

-mb


On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 19:21 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> well needless to say Im not interested in doing a template.  Think
> about it... why would I do it?  I dont have any guarantee it 1) will
> be used, 2) be put in a context that doesnt make it look like garbage,
> 3) be attributed.  Just following here for educational purposes.   ..
> Seems like the concern is you're going to scare away people if
> management is introduced.  conversely, youre going to scare away
> people if management isnt introduced (the OT problem).
> 
>  non-existent steering committee: Sounds like you've got an issue on your hands.
> 
>   -jmz
> 
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM, R P Herrold<herrold at owlriver.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> >
> >>  Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear
> >> management.  Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a
> >> total failure?  PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we
> >> currently have in abundance.  Stop with these silly games pretending
> >> no one is running the show.
> >
> > Someone pays the domain renewal bill (if any); someone pays,
> > or calls a favor, with the location the box is hosted; someone
> > has root on that box.   Find those answers, and you have the
> > throat to choke.
> >
> > Unhappy with those answers?  Can't figure it out?  Fork and
> > out-perform the incumbent.  Running code talks.  This is FOSS
> > after all.
> >
> > No slam on der Hans, or Lisa.  Running a LUG is hard;
> > running it for years and years is even harder
> >
> > Bring your own domain registration for a LUG, and I'll provide
> > access to a host for a virthost website, mailing list, etc on
> > a box that has in its past hosted Distrowatch, the Metro
> > Detroit LUG, the Tampa LUG, a couple of defunct LUGs, and the
> > Central OH LUG (currently).  Others as well, but I fergit.
> >
> > But kvetching about it and not acting is just pointless.
> >
> > -- Russ herrold
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