Sonoran Penguin

[Joshua Zeidner]

  Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear
management.  Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a
total failure?  PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we
currently have in abundance.  Stop with these silly games pretending
no one is running the show.  Every time I ask anything of substance, I
am referred to the 'steering committee'.  Then Lisa claims there is no
committee when it is explicitly referred to.  No one ever states who
is on the steering committee, expect for at least a few references
that it includes Hans.  We do however have loads of complaints about
how crappy this list is getting and how great it was back in some
mythical past when everyone politely answered everyone else's
technical questions expeditiously and never strayed into outer
territories of political blasphemy.

  Its kind of funny and kind of tiring.

  -jmz

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:36 PM, mike havens<bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I joined the florida LUG and I never get messages from them except for
> announcements. So a LOT happens with PLUG.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Which is why practically nothing ever happens :(
>>
>>  -jmz
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Lisa Kachold<lisakachold at obnosis.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Committee?
>> >
>> > No, we just make improvements.  No one gets to control things.
>> >
>> > On 8/5/09, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>  Howdy,
>> >>
>> >>   ok Im willing to make a professional Drupal template for PLUG.  The
>> >> whole process should be a few days work.  I will make design proofs
>> >> and the steering committee can decide whatever way they chose (cast
>> >> ballots, draw straws, dartboard, etc.).  The designs will be based on
>> >> the concept Lisa posted.  PLUG committee must agree to use the
>> >> template for at least one year, which includes a small attribution
>> >> link in the footer of every page.
>> >>
>> >>   perhaps this may lead to better efforts to get people to use the
>> >> site.  I did discuss with Hans the idea of using web forums to
>> >> ameliorate all these listserv problems.  In this scenario it is far
>> >> easier to organize technical questions and have them accessible via
>> >> search engine.  Also it is easier to manage relations with people whom
>> >> you are not interested in reading ,etc.  The problem Hans raised is
>> >> that a lot of users only want to use email.  Also putting it on web
>> >> allows PLUG to raise money with advertising to fund events, etc.
>> >>
>> >>  -jmz
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Stephen<cryptworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> im game for it...
>> >>>
>> >>> and honestly im curious about the process
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Zeidner<jjzeidner at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>  If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for
>> >>>> the PLUG site using this concept.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  -jmz
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold<herrold at owlriver.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>  I made it with GIMP.  How come no one liked it when I posted
>> >>>>>> it????
>> >>>>>>  I need to fire my PR manager.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and
>> >>>>> low, and tossing read pieces out.  If it was in an early
>> >>>>> email, I missed it.  I cannot say that I saw repetition of a
>> >>>>> URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to
>> >>>>> indicate its worth.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -- Russ herrold
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>> >>>
>> >>> Stephen
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