Crappy Products Cost More!!

[Richard L. Proctor]

Yea I have noticed that the default desktop is Gnome and KDE is unchecked
during install.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Achtenberg" <toma@fh.org>
To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:11 AM
Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!!


> I am a registered user of Red hat.  I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2  I
downloaded 7.3  I prefer the KDE desktop.  Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that is
included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two main
applications I want to use.  KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago.  I have
twice asked Red Hat tech support when it will be available through the
up2date.  I have been completely and totally ignored by Red Hat support.
They have not even acknowledged receiving my question even though it was
submitted via a form on the RHN site. In fact the RHN site will not let you
log in using Konqueror but does with IE.  If Red Hat hates KDE so much, why
do they include it in their distros?  kde.org itself talks about how Red Hat
refuses to support their desktop.
>
> If Red Hat is counting on support $'s to stay in business, they have a lot
of improving to do.  I won't give them another dime till I see some
improvement.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:42 PM
> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!!
>
>
> RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support.  It also has all
the
> printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately.
>
> (A small story, indirectly related.)
> I have successfully setup a new CVS server at work using RH7.3, Webmin and
> CVS, of course.  In explaining what I had done and what I am using to do
it,
> our company product manager said, and I quote, "If all that software is
free,
> why are we using it.  It is probably crap."  This was followed by a brief
> demonstration of Webmin that left him less "against" the software but
still
> not "for" it.
> (End of story.)
>
> (Another small story)
> A friend of mine runs a technology related service business.  He was
getting
> too much work so he started raising his quotes.  He started getting even
more
> work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too
low to
> be very good" as they later told him.
> (End of small story)
>
> RedHat, I think, is marketing to the people who think they have to pay for
> something for it to be any good.  And if they are right, and people want
to
> pay for the support and the manuals, they remain a viable company.
>
> Some people want to pay lots of money.  Would we geeks pay it?  Nope.  But
> some of the suits and non-geeks will.  RedHat will find out soon enough if
the
> market will pay the price they are asking.
>
> Alan
>
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:24:13 -0700 "Richard L. Proctor" <krycom1@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst
> products always costs more. ie. If you want Windows XP you plan on
> paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional version.
> Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and
comes
>
> with 3 cd's. Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not
> sure how many cd's come with it. Is RedHat trying to compete with
> Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product?
>
> Before anyone goes off saying well you can just
> download the distro and don't have to pay those prices. I am thinking of
> the newbies. I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go.
> I would like to have the documentation to go with it. Of course Redhat and
> Windows both give you wafer thin manuals. SuSE and Mandrake give you good
> size manuals with plenty of information packed in them. Also SuSE
> Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD. The DVD had
> everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps.
>
> I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and
> it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors. Try to install
> Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in
NTFS
>
> format, Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo. I
> can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and
the
> only option is Redhat. LOL That is of course if you can get Redhat
> to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on
a
> partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs.
>
> SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter
> what the size or what drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe.
> This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address.
>
> I dunno, I just don't see how the cost of
> Redhat boxed distro's is justified. Maybe i'm missing the point? Is
> there anyone out there that can show me the point?
>
>
> ________________________________________________
> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't
post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
>
> PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> ________________________________________________
> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't
post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
>
> PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss