Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines

Jim plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:56:18 -0700 

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I think that the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest is the right 
place.  Tim Hogan has taken on the establishment and won many times in the 
past.  It would seem that this is an action waiting for a powerful, 
influential organization to take up.

On Thursday 20 June 2002 10:43, you wrote:
> I was wondering because I do know a civil attorney that might take it on
> but since I don't know for sure, I will call him anyway just to see.
>
> Kimi
>
> At 6/19/02, you wrote:
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> >IMHO, which is decidedly non-legal, I think that debarment proceedings are
> >neither civil nor criminal, but rather a violation of procurement rules. 
> > I could be wrong, but if my reading of the procurement rules is accurate,
> > MS could be debarred from contracting with the state, its departments,
> > its school districts, and its cities and municipalities.
> >
> >On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, you wrote:
> > > Would this be civil?
> > >
> > > Kimi
> > >
> > > At 6/19/02, you wrote:
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> > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not
> > > > all of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment
> > > > proceedings against MS.  Anyone know an attorney who is willing to
> > > > take something like this on pro-bono?
> > > >
> > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote:
> > > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley
> > > > > school board member.  He is the one who has
> > > > > arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his email address.  It sounds to
> > > > > me that all the school districts and the state itself should be
> > > > > starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to start
> > > > > contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your
> > > > > local school superintendents.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "david cantelme" <arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" <tom@mrhsband.org>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg:
> > > > >
> > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state
> > > > > school district procurement rules do apply.  Both sets
> > > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement
> > > > > code.  You can find the school district procurement
> > > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site.
> > > > > Click on administrative rules.  Go to title seven.
> > > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001.  That's where the rules
> > > > > begin.  They continue to about R7-2-1175.
> > > > >
> > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district
> > > > > procurement rules.  You would need to address your
> > > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration.  That's
> > > > > who would initiate the procedure.  If the
> > > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the
> > > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer.
> > > > >  It goes from there to the officer with appropriate
> > > > > due process to the contractor.  The board itself has
> > > > > no involvement in the hearing process.  The officer
> > > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our
> > > > > constitutional system.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg <tom@mrhsband.org> wrote:
> > > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing
> > > > > > policies listed below apply
> > > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maricopa County policies.  Interesting references:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS
> > > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract
> > > > > > with a County
> > > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5,
> > > > > > Contractor may also mean
> > > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article.
> > > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County
> > > > > > Administrative
> > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from
> > > > > > Participating in
> > > > > > Maricopa County Procurements.
> > > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business,
> > > > > > individual, union,
> > > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of
> > > > > > individuals.
> > > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County
> > > > > > Administrative
> > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a
> > > > > > Person from
> > > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person.
> > > > > > This is important
> > > > > > below.]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION
> > > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall
> > > > > > economy for the purpose
> > > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying
> > > > > > Maricopa County's needs
> > > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401
> > > > >
> > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft
> > > > > > exclusive?  I believe there
> > > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange
> > > > > > Server completely using
> > > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable
> > > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL;
> > > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS
> > > > > > Office suite is
> > > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office
> > > > > > suite.]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS
> > > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall
> > > > > > include, but are not
> > > > > > limited to, the following:
> > > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or
> > > > > > affiliate of any Person
> > > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this
> > > > > > State or its political
> > > > > > subdivision or any other State for:
> > > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business
> > > > > > integrity or business
> > > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a
> > > > > > Contractor.
> > > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation
> > > > > > by any Person or any
> > > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or
> > > > > > Federal Antitrust
> > > > > > Statutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901
> > > > >
> > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having
> > > > > > been convicted of a
> > > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a
> > > > > > County Contractor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products.
> > > > > > Alternatives that have
> > > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported
> > > > > > and used by many large
> > > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al).  As a
> > > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I
> > > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal
> > > > > > behavior and would hope that my
> > > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and
> > > > > > ONLY consider alternatives
> > > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District
> > > > > > requirements.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank You,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom Achtenberg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a
> > > > > > computer that is 100%
> > > > > > Microsoft free.  It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3
> > > > > > operating system, KDE windows
> > > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client.  All if
> > > > > > these programs come under
> > > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are
> > > > > > 100% free to the public for
> > > > > > personal and commercial use.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >Jim
> > > >
> > > >Freedom is worth protecting
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