RPM Rant (was: Re: Evolution on RedHat 7.2)

24 Jan 2002 10:26:30 -0700

On Thu, 2002-01-24 at 07:22, Tom Achtenberg wrote:
> I disagree, it should be the end product people who package any
> supplementary file their product needs together.  I would not expect MS
> to include everything a Symantec product would need, that would be
> Symantec's job.  The same should hold for Linux.  If I write a program I
> should not expect Red Hat, Debian, SuSE or any of the others to have
> what my product needs, I should include it.  The fault here clearly lies
> with poor product management by Ximian.

At what point do you stop though?  should i include gtk with my product
if it is based on gtk?  How about libc?  or a complete custom made
distribution just for my application?  

LSB should be atleast a baseline of what you should expect on a system,
yes, but distributing evolution shouldn't include every lib it needs. 
There needs to be a standard starting point.

Bill W
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert A. Klahn [mailto:rklahn@acm.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:14 PM
> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: RPM Rant (was: Re: Evolution on RedHat 7.2)
> 
> 
> This is one area where RedHat has a thing or two to learn from Debian.
> As I have had to work with RedHat more and more (it is "Linux" after
> all), I miss just doing an "apt-get install foo" and just having it
> work.
> 
> In short, don't blame Ximian, blame the poor management capabilities of
> RPM. Rpmfind, and its ilk, is just a band-aid to the core problem, which
> is, the total lack of ability of the package management system to
> determine the predependencies of a package.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I could go on a Debian rant about many things (like
> the fact that a release based upon a 2.4.X kernel is nowhere close, for
> one). In short, the distributions have a lot to learn from each other.
> 
> EndRant.
> 
> Bob.
> 
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:43:47 -0700
> "Tom Achtenberg" <tom@ybnormal.org> wrote:
> 
> > I downloaded the dependent rpms.  Ran into 6 more dependencies at this
> > level.  Tried the --nodeps Carl recommended and got at least 40
> conflicts in
> > the installation.  It just isn't worth this kind of hassle and
> frustration.
> > For the third and final time I am giving up on Evolution and anything
> else
> > from Ximian.  They have a long way to go before their programs are
> ready for
> > general public consumption.  I have NEVER had this much trouble
> installing
> > anything in Windows.
> > 
> > I will patiently wait for KDE 3 to be released.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Craig White" <craigwhite@azapple.com>
> > To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: Evolution on RedHat 7.2
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 21:31, Tom Achtenberg wrote:
> > > Craig, I just gave it a third shot.  I downloaded all the rpm's
> listed
> > > below.  When I issued the rpm -U *rpm command I got the following
> error:
> > > error:failed dependencies
> > > GConf = 1.0.7 is needed by GConf-devel-1.0.7-2
> > > GConf >= 1.0.7 is needed by evolution-1.0.1-2
> > > oaf = 0.6.5 is needed by oaf-devel-0.6.5-10
> > > bonobo = 1.0.7 is needed by bonobo-devel-1.0.7-2
> > >
> > > I cannot find any rpm's on the site to fulfill these dependencies.
> What
> > > now?
> > ---------
> > OK - well, you must have previously installed some of these
> > developmental files so you can't install just the files without the
> > developmental packages too.
> > 
> > so download - I don't have the exact names but you'll get the idea...
> > 
> > GConf-devel-1.0.7-2.i386.rpm
> > oaf-devel-0.6.7-2.i386.rpm
> > bonobo-devel-1.0.18-1.i386.rpm
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > Craig
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Craig White" <craigwhite@azapple.com>
> > > To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:35 AM
> > > Subject: Evolution on RedHat 7.2
> > >
> > >
> > > FWIW - Redhat 7.2 - here's how I got evolution 1.01 to install
> > >
> > > <http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/mirror/gnomehide/7.2/RPMS/>
> > >
> > > bonobo-1.0.18-1.i386.rpm
> > > bonobo-activation-0.9.3.91-2.i386.rpm
> > > bonobo-conf-0.14-1.i386.rpm
> > > evolution-1.0.1-2.i386.rpm
> > > gal-0.19-2.i386.rpm
> > > GConf-1.0.7-2.i386.rpm
> > > glib2-1.3.12.90-1.i386.rpm
> > > gtkhtml-1.0.1-2.i386.rpm
> > > libbonobo-1.108.0.90-1.i386.rpm
> > > libgal19-0.19-2.i386.rpm
> > > libgtkhtml9-0.9.2-10.i386.rpm
> > > libIDL-0.7.1.91-1.i386.rpm
> > > libxml-1.8.16-3.i386.rpm
> > > libxml-devel-1.8.16-3.i386.rpm
> > > linc-0.1.12.90-1.i386.rpm
> > > oaf-0.6.7-2.i386.rpm
> > > ORBit-0.5.12-1.i386.rpm
> > > ORBit2-2.3.100.90-2.i386.rpm
> > > ORBit-devel-0.5.12-1.i386.rpm
> > >
> > > and installed via... rpm -Uvh *rpm
> > >
> > > It's very 'Outlook' like and it apparently can authenticate on smtp.
> > >
> > > YMMV
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
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