RPM Rant (was: Re: Evolution on RedHat 7.2)

[Tom Achtenberg]

I disagree, it should be the end product people who package any supplementary file their product needs together.  I would not expect MS to include everything a Symantec product would need, that would be Symantec's job.  The same should hold for Linux.  If I write a program I should not expect Red Hat, Debian, SuSE or any of the others to have what my product needs, I should include it.  The fault here clearly lies with poor product management by Ximian.


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert A. Klahn [mailto:rklahn@acm.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:14 PM
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: RPM Rant (was: Re: Evolution on RedHat 7.2)


This is one area where RedHat has a thing or two to learn from Debian. As I have had to work with RedHat more and more (it is "Linux" after all), I miss just doing an "apt-get install foo" and just having it work.

In short, don't blame Ximian, blame the poor management capabilities of RPM. Rpmfind, and its ilk, is just a band-aid to the core problem, which is, the total lack of ability of the package management system to determine the predependencies of a package.

Don't get me wrong, I could go on a Debian rant about many things (like the fact that a release based upon a 2.4.X kernel is nowhere close, for one). In short, the distributions have a lot to learn from each other.

EndRant.

Bob.

On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:43:47 -0700
"Tom Achtenberg" <tom@ybnormal.org> wrote:

> I downloaded the dependent rpms.  Ran into 6 more dependencies at this
> level.  Tried the --nodeps Carl recommended and got at least 40 conflicts in
> the installation.  It just isn't worth this kind of hassle and frustration.
> For the third and final time I am giving up on Evolution and anything else
> from Ximian.  They have a long way to go before their programs are ready for
> general public consumption.  I have NEVER had this much trouble installing
> anything in Windows.
> 
> I will patiently wait for KDE 3 to be released.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig White" <craigwhite@azapple.com>
> To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Evolution on RedHat 7.2
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 21:31, Tom Achtenberg wrote:
> > Craig, I just gave it a third shot.  I downloaded all the rpm's listed
> > below.  When I issued the rpm -U *rpm command I got the following error:
> > error:failed dependencies
> > GConf = 1.0.7 is needed by GConf-devel-1.0.7-2
> > GConf >= 1.0.7 is needed by evolution-1.0.1-2
> > oaf = 0.6.5 is needed by oaf-devel-0.6.5-10
> > bonobo = 1.0.7 is needed by bonobo-devel-1.0.7-2
> >
> > I cannot find any rpm's on the site to fulfill these dependencies.  What
> > now?
> ---------
> OK - well, you must have previously installed some of these
> developmental files so you can't install just the files without the
> developmental packages too.
> 
> so download - I don't have the exact names but you'll get the idea...
> 
> GConf-devel-1.0.7-2.i386.rpm
> oaf-devel-0.6.7-2.i386.rpm
> bonobo-devel-1.0.18-1.i386.rpm
> 
> HTH
> 
> Craig
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Craig White" <craigwhite@azapple.com>
> > To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:35 AM
> > Subject: Evolution on RedHat 7.2
> >
> >
> > FWIW - Redhat 7.2 - here's how I got evolution 1.01 to install
> >
> > <http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/mirror/gnomehide/7.2/RPMS/>
> >
> > bonobo-1.0.18-1.i386.rpm
> > bonobo-activation-0.9.3.91-2.i386.rpm
> > bonobo-conf-0.14-1.i386.rpm
> > evolution-1.0.1-2.i386.rpm
> > gal-0.19-2.i386.rpm
> > GConf-1.0.7-2.i386.rpm
> > glib2-1.3.12.90-1.i386.rpm
> > gtkhtml-1.0.1-2.i386.rpm
> > libbonobo-1.108.0.90-1.i386.rpm
> > libgal19-0.19-2.i386.rpm
> > libgtkhtml9-0.9.2-10.i386.rpm
> > libIDL-0.7.1.91-1.i386.rpm
> > libxml-1.8.16-3.i386.rpm
> > libxml-devel-1.8.16-3.i386.rpm
> > linc-0.1.12.90-1.i386.rpm
> > oaf-0.6.7-2.i386.rpm
> > ORBit-0.5.12-1.i386.rpm
> > ORBit2-2.3.100.90-2.i386.rpm
> > ORBit-devel-0.5.12-1.i386.rpm
> >
> > and installed via... rpm -Uvh *rpm
> >
> > It's very 'Outlook' like and it apparently can authenticate on smtp.
> >
> > YMMV
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't
> post
> > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> >
> > PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.mybutt.net
> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't
> post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> >
> > PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________
> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post
> to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> 
> PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________
> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> 
> PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss


-- 
Robert A. Klahn
rklahn@acm.org
AIM: rklahn
Yahoo Messenger: klahn
IRC: rklahn@irc.openprojects.net

"Hope has two beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. Anger at the way
things are, and Courage to struggle to create things as they should be." -
St. Augustine
________________________________________________
See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.

PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss