Mensan seeks work

[Tom Achtenberg]

I agree that the fresh out of school programmers are clueless.  My issue
here is lying about it on a resume.
All a degree does is tell them you are trainable.  Same with most Certs.


----- Original Message -----
From: "George Toft" <george@georgetoft.com>
To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Mensan seeks work


I'm 50-50 on that issue.  Last job would hire based on ability, regardless
of paper.  Current one requires paper to set foot inside.  From what I've
seen of programmers, if they're under 30, they're still clueless, degreed
or not (flame suit on).

George



"Dr. Ghastly" wrote:
>
> Not to mention that most places, my company especially, consider 2-3 years
> experience equivalent to a degree.
>
> ******************************************************************
> Once you start down the dark path, forever will it
> dominate your destiny, consume you it will...
> ******************************************************************
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Toft" <george@georgetoft.com>
> To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Mensan seeks work
>
> > I second that.  We just lost a guy because he claimed to have a
Bachelor's
> > Degree when he did not.  It only took them a week to figure it out.  He
> > was a contractor for six months, so he knew his stuff.  When there is
> > an abundant supply of talent, you can be choosy.  When there is a
scarcity
> > of talent, you take whatever comes your way.  You know where we are
right
> now. .
> > .
> >
> > George
> >
> > "Dr. Ghastly" wrote:
> > >
> > > Uh, considering the work your looking for, I wouldn't consider lying.
> The
> > > company I work for does EXENSIVE background checks.
> > >
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > Once you start down the dark path, forever will it
> > > dominate your destiny, consume you it will...
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Trent Shipley" <tcshipley@earthlink.net>
> > > To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Mensan seeks work
> > >
> > > > I've seen really high numbers about lying on resumes.  I suspect
that
> > > people
> > > > usually get away with it.  Of course, if you don't then it can
really
> bite
> > > > you in the ass--especially if you claim to be an experienced surgeon
> or
> > > > litigator.
> > > >
> > > > > Actually, another alternative is to lie about your
> > > > > experience if you really know your stuff, but that usually comes
> around
> > > to
> > > > > bite you in the ass.
> > > > > ~M
> > > > >
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