"JABBER" on the list Can't we keep it down?

Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:47:09 -0700

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I find this list to be very low traffic. Not only that but a great deal of
the traffic is good info. As Blake says other lists are much higher traffic,
I normally process 10 - 20 x the amount of traffic this list generates.  I
have not looked but perhaps this list offers a digest format that might be
more palatable for you, less mail and easier to delete.

Cheers,

Davidm

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blake Barnett [mailto:blake.barnett@developonline.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:16 PM
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: RE: "JABBER" on the list Can't we keep it down?
> 
> 
> This list is extremely low-volume compared to other lists I'm on.
> 
> linux-kernel being a great example.  It's rare that I receive 
> less than
> 300-400 messages per day.
> 
> I find most of the conversation on this list acceptable, the rest, I
> simply ignore.  If I tried to read every message of every thread of
> every mailling list I'm on, I'd become catatonic very quickly...
> 
> Sifting through the detritis to find the gems is what being 
> on the 'net
> is all about, ain't it?
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 12:49, Tom Achtenberg wrote:
> > I have to at least partially agree that this list has too 
> much noise on it.  At times I've wondered if my subscription 
> was changed from Linux User Group to Lets bash MS group.  I 
> would include in the noise my own thread of @home possible 
> shutting down and all the Qwest bashing others were doing.  
> Eliminating these kind of posts would reduce the daily 
> message count from 40-60 down to about 15.  Just MHO.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sm [mailto:sm@vis.nu]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:24 PM
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: "JABBER" on the list Can't we keep it down?
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, John Mosier wrote:
> > 
> > > Can't we keep the NOISE on this list down.  This JABBER 
> is ridiculous!
> > >
> > > NONE of us is interested in the explanations.  AZIPA 
> rules are better
> > > than the PLUG rules.There are two regular posters whose 
> postings ALWAYS
> > > process the RE: as attachments.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am considering dropping my subscription to the list 
> because there
> > > is so much JABBER and NOISE on the list that the useful stuff is
> > > totally drowned out by excessive posting by people who 
> have nothing
> > > constructive to add.
> > >
> > > There are two regular posters whose postings ALWAYS process
> > > with attachments.
> > 
> > 
> > Rather than cluttering up the list with jabber related 
> trolling, it might
> > be more appropriate to ask if there's a announcement 
> related mailing list,
> > or something along those lines.  Most organizations have one.
> > 
> > Since there's a lot of crosstalk between organizations 
> around here, as you
> > yourself point out, it makes some sort of sense that the 
> PLUG list, which
> > is the most general and least Official[tm] list of these 
> organizations,
> > have a lot of the jabber that is an unavoidable side effect 
> of this form
> > of communication.
> > 
> > This is the reason I have PLUG in it's own folder, as I 
> have AZIPA, AzPHP,
> > ASULUG, and the apparently 4,000 other Arizona related free 
> software/open
> > source mailing lists I'm on filter into their own seperate boxes.
> > Surely, if it were not for Procmail, I would be dead.  I would have
> > drowned in the stream of babble.  Hooray for procmail.
> > 
> > A complaint was raised against this person in a public 
> forum.  They should
> > be allowed to respond in kind.  Do I really care?  No.  How 
> long would it
> > take me to delete the post?  Yea, about three seconds.
> > 
> > Now, I may be going against the grain here.  More people 
> may think that
> > this is a problem rather than just an unfortunate side 
> effect.  In which
> > case, perhaps a seperate 'plug-useless' mailing list could 
> be set up, or
> > perhaps a completely different form of communication, such 
> as IRC, or more
> > appropriately, a Jabber server. :)
> > 
> > -Sam
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your 
> mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to 
> write mail.
> > 
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> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your 
> mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to 
> write mail.
> > 
> > PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> -- 
> Blake Barnett (bdb)  <blake.barnett@developonline.com>
> Sr. Unix Administrator
> DevelopOnline.com                 office: 480-377-6816
> 
> "Do, or do not.  There is no try." --Yoda
> 
> ________________________________________________
> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your 
> mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to 
> write mail.
> 
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I find this list to be very low traffic. Not only =
that but a great deal of the traffic is good info. As Blake says other =
lists are much higher traffic, I normally process 10 - 20 x the amount =
of traffic this list generates.&nbsp; I have not looked but perhaps =
this list offers a digest format that might be more palatable for you, =
less mail and easier to delete.

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Davidm</FONT>
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&gt; -----Original Message-----
 &gt; From: Blake Barnett [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:blake.barnett@developonline.com">mailto:blake.barnett@dev=
eloponline.com</A>]
 &gt; Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:16 =
PM
 &gt; To: =
plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
 &gt; Subject: RE: &quot;JABBER&quot; on the list =
Can't we keep it down?
 &gt; 
 &gt; 
 &gt; This list is extremely low-volume compared to =
other lists I'm on.
 &gt; 
 &gt; linux-kernel being a great example.&nbsp; It's =
rare that I receive 
 &gt; less than
 &gt; 300-400 messages per day.
 &gt; 
 &gt; I find most of the conversation on this list =
acceptable, the rest, I
 &gt; simply ignore.&nbsp; If I tried to read every =
message of every thread of
 &gt; every mailling list I'm on, I'd become =
catatonic very quickly...
 &gt; 
 &gt; Sifting through the detritis to find the gems =
is what being 
 &gt; on the 'net
 &gt; is all about, ain't it?
 &gt; 
 &gt; 
 &gt; On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 12:49, Tom Achtenberg =
wrote:
 &gt; &gt; I have to at least partially agree that =
this list has too 
 &gt; much noise on it.&nbsp; At times I've wondered =
if my subscription 
 &gt; was changed from Linux User Group to Lets bash =
MS group.&nbsp; I 
 &gt; would include in the noise my own thread of =
@home possible 
 &gt; shutting down and all the Qwest bashing others =
were doing.&nbsp; 
 &gt; Eliminating these kind of posts would reduce =
the daily 
 &gt; message count from 40-60 down to about =
15.&nbsp; Just MHO.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----
 &gt; &gt; From: sm [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:sm@vis.nu">mailto:sm@vis.nu</A>]
 &gt; &gt; Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:24 =
PM
 &gt; &gt; To: =
plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
 &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: &quot;JABBER&quot; on the =
list Can't we keep it down?
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, John Mosier =
wrote:
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; &gt; Can't we keep the NOISE on this list =
down.&nbsp; This JABBER 
 &gt; is ridiculous!
 &gt; &gt; &gt;
 &gt; &gt; &gt; NONE of us is interested in the =
explanations.&nbsp; AZIPA 
 &gt; rules are better
 &gt; &gt; &gt; than the PLUG rules.There are two =
regular posters whose 
 &gt; postings ALWAYS
 &gt; &gt; &gt; process the RE: as =
attachments.
 &gt; &gt; &gt;
 &gt; &gt; &gt;
 &gt; &gt; &gt; I am considering dropping my =
subscription to the list 
 &gt; because there
 &gt; &gt; &gt; is so much JABBER and NOISE on the =
list that the useful stuff is
 &gt; &gt; &gt; totally drowned out by excessive =
posting by people who 
 &gt; have nothing
 &gt; &gt; &gt; constructive to add.
 &gt; &gt; &gt;
 &gt; &gt; &gt; There are two regular posters whose =
postings ALWAYS process
 &gt; &gt; &gt; with attachments.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; Rather than cluttering up the list with =
jabber related 
 &gt; trolling, it might
 &gt; &gt; be more appropriate to ask if there's a =
announcement 
 &gt; related mailing list,
 &gt; &gt; or something along those lines.&nbsp; Most =
organizations have one.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; Since there's a lot of crosstalk between =
organizations 
 &gt; around here, as you
 &gt; &gt; yourself point out, it makes some sort of =
sense that the 
 &gt; PLUG list, which
 &gt; &gt; is the most general and least Official[tm] =
list of these 
 &gt; organizations,
 &gt; &gt; have a lot of the jabber that is an =
unavoidable side effect 
 &gt; of this form
 &gt; &gt; of communication.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; This is the reason I have PLUG in it's own =
folder, as I 
 &gt; have AZIPA, AzPHP,
 &gt; &gt; ASULUG, and the apparently 4,000 other =
Arizona related free 
 &gt; software/open
 &gt; &gt; source mailing lists I'm on filter into =
their own seperate boxes.
 &gt; &gt; Surely, if it were not for Procmail, I =
would be dead.&nbsp; I would have
 &gt; &gt; drowned in the stream of babble.&nbsp; =
Hooray for procmail.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; A complaint was raised against this person =
in a public 
 &gt; forum.&nbsp; They should
 &gt; &gt; be allowed to respond in kind.&nbsp; Do I =
really care?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; How 
 &gt; long would it
 &gt; &gt; take me to delete the post?&nbsp; Yea, =
about three seconds.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; Now, I may be going against the grain =
here.&nbsp; More people 
 &gt; may think that
 &gt; &gt; this is a problem rather than just an =
unfortunate side 
 &gt; effect.&nbsp; In which
 &gt; &gt; case, perhaps a seperate 'plug-useless' =
mailing list could 
 &gt; be set up, or
 &gt; &gt; perhaps a completely different form of =
communication, such 
 &gt; as IRC, or more
 &gt; &gt; appropriately, a Jabber server. :)
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; -Sam
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; ___________________________________________=
_____
 &gt; &gt; See <A =
HREF=3D"http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml</A> if =
your 
 &gt; mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you =
use Netscape to 
 &gt; write mail.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; PLUG-discuss mailing list&nbsp; -&nbsp; =
PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
 &gt; &gt; <A =
HREF=3D"http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-=
discuss</A>
 &gt; &gt; =
________________________________________________
 &gt; &gt; See <A =
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TARGET=3D"_blank">http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml</A> if =
your 
 &gt; mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you =
use Netscape to 
 &gt; write mail.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; PLUG-discuss mailing list&nbsp; -&nbsp; =
PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
 &gt; &gt; <A =
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TARGET=3D"_blank">http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-=
discuss</A>
 &gt; -- 
 &gt; Blake Barnett (bdb)&nbsp; =
&lt;blake.barnett@developonline.com&gt;
 &gt; Sr. Unix Administrator
 &gt; =
DevelopOnline.com&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; office: 480-377-6816
 &gt; 
 &gt; &quot;Do, or do not.&nbsp; There is no =
try.&quot; --Yoda
 &gt; 
 &gt; =
________________________________________________
 &gt; See <A =
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TARGET=3D"_blank">http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml</A> if =
your 
 &gt; mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you =
use Netscape to 
 &gt; write mail.
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 &gt; PLUG-discuss mailing list&nbsp; -&nbsp; =
PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
 &gt; <A =
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