Was Geek Jobs

Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:27:50 -0700

Depending on where you are stationed and if you take base housing, that can either be big or nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: George Toft [mailto:george@georgetoft.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:18 AM
To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Re: Was Geek Jobs

In 1990, I made $27K as an E-6 over 10.  As we can see, there is a
huge pay raise after the 10 year point, and for being a nuc on a 
submarine at sea.

George

Bill Warner wrote:
> 
> Yea I had that same question.  I was in from 92-96 and made e4 in
> computer repair.  I think the most i ever got was around $25k.
> 
> Bill Warner
> 
> On Tue, 2001-11-06 at 07:27, Tom Achtenberg wrote:
> > I have to question one of your points.  Point 5, what military were you an enlisted person making $50k in?  When I was in the USAF in the 80's as a SGT I made between $600 and $700 a MONTH plus housing.  That's a far cry from $50k a year.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: George Toft [mailto:george@georgetoft.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:04 AM
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: Was Geek Jobs
> >
> >
> > (About to show my age . . .)
> >
> > Using inflation as a benchmark for survival, which we know it is
> > actually lower than reality, I present the following data:
> >
> > Data Point #1: When I was in college studying Electrical Engineering
> > and Computer Science, in 1979, the expected starting salary was $20K
> > for either field.  Using the rule of 72, with the inflation that we
> > have experienced since that time, that same starting salary should be
> > about $75K.
> >
> > Data Point #2: The last two jobs I interviewed for in Phoenix gave me a
> > speech about paying employees well to keep them around, then informed
> > me the positions paid $45-55K for senior people with 5 years of
> > experience.  (Did not keep up with inflation.)
> >
> > Data Point #3: Digital Wokan and I applied for the same job just to
> > find out it was entry level paying $25-35K.  (Did not keep up with
> > inflation.)
> >
> > Data Point #4: My wife made over $40K as a customer service supervisor
> > in a Fortune 500 company, and once she gains experience within any
> > given company here, will make the same again.  (Non-IT benchmark).
> >
> > Data Point #5: I made over $50K as an enlisted military member, and
> > this was considered low.  There were people on food stamps that were
> > the same rank I was.  (Non-IT benchmark).
> >
> > Data Point #6: 10 years ago, I was applying for IT jobs in Phoenix
> > that paid $35-40K.  (Historical data.)
> >
> > Data Point #7: I have seen several jobs that prefer MCSE certification
> > or three years experience that pay under $30K.  (Did not keep up with
> > inflation.)
> >
> > Conclusion: IT Salaries are becoming inverted.  We are entitled to
> > make the same money with our degrees as those without.  The jobs now
> > are paying what they were 10 years ago, yet inflation has cut your
> > spending power by $30-40% while taxes have increased.
> >
> > Projection: In Hawaii, it is common for both husband and wife to
> > work, and they usually have working parents living with them.  This
> > is what is required to make ends meet.  I predict that over the next
> > 20 years, we will see the same thing become commonplace here in
> > mainland America.
> >
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> > P.S. It still beats the living conditions in Afghanistan.
> >
> >
> >
> > Trent Shipley wrote:
> > >
> > > Are computer geeks (outside of webdom) having more unemployment troubles than
> > > the rest of the population?  The economy sucks for everybody.
> > >
> > > Maybe its just that this is the first time that computer geeks have really
> > > been in sufficient supply relative to demand that they are feeling a
> > > recession?
> > >
> > > Another part of it may be that the computer-geek community really rode the
> > > internet bubble in the late 1990's and there are jobs but the pay has come
> > > back down into the realm of sanity.  The result is that much of Geekdom needs
> > > to find salaries that sadly no longer exist.
> > >
> > > (I am pretty certain that the Pointy Haired Managers and Evil Queens of HR
> > > have yet to discover that bright high-school kids can be hired part time to
> > > do 50% of the IS/IT workload! [and next 45% can be done by the same kids
> > > after they have three to five years of experience]).
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