UCITA has landed in AZ.
Vaughn Treude
vaughn@nakota-software.com
Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:06:56 -0700
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I've sent messages to my legislators, and urge other folks to do the same. It's strange for a Libertarian like myself to oppose
something that appears (on the surface) to extend the freedom of contract, but having seen how the courts tend to pervert everything
they touch, UCITA scares the living hell out of me. It'll give the big guys the power to keep little guys like myself from ever
becoming serious competition.
Vaughn Treude
Alan Dayley wrote:
> These are the "talking points" (I hate that term) from www.4site.org. The
> second to the last item is reason enough to kill it, assuming these summary
> points are correct.
>
> I still need to read more about this issue...
>
> Alan
>
> UCITA modifies existing contract law to favor large software publishers in
> their sales to and contracting with businesses and consumers.
>
> UCITA allows consumers to become licensees who are bound to the terms of
> the contract provided in "shrink-wrap" products or "click-on" agreements.
>
> UCITA allows software publishers to shut down mission-critical software
> remotely without court approval and without incurring liability for the
> foreseeable harm caused.
>
> UCITA allows software publishers to prohibit the transfer of software from
> one person to another or one company to another -- even in the course of a
> merger or acquisition.
>
> UCITA shields software publishers from liability for damage caused by
> defects known to the software publisher, but undisclosed to the licensee,
> at the time of purchase.
>
> If the consumer wants to sue over a defective product, UCITA allows the
> software publisher to restrict legal action to a specific jurisdiction -- a
> particular county, state or even a different country.
>
> UCITA threatens library services currently permissible such as
> inter-library loan, distance learning programs, archiving and preservation.
>
> UCITA binds purchasers to terms disclosed only after the purchaser pays for
> the software, and allows the software publisher to change the terms of the
> contract unilaterally by e-mail.
>
> UCITA allows software publishers to legally track and collect confidential
> information about personal and business activities of licensees.
>
> UCITA allows software publishers to prohibit public criticism of their
> products.
>
> At 08:45 AM 3/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
> >If we're going to explain to people why this legislature is a bad idea, we
> >need more than that though - We need a detailed explanation of how it will
> >affect individual consumers, the corporate consumer, and even the
> >state/federal gov't (as a consumer).
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bill Warner [mailto:wwarner@direct-alliance.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:34 AM
> >> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >> Subject: Fwd: UCITA has landed in AZ.
> >>
> >>
> >> Other than just the general badness of giving more
> >> power to the software developer, how does the UCITA
> >> affect linux? It seems to me that this can do nothing
> >> but make commercial software less appealing and open
> >> source more so?????
> >>
> >> Could you add something about this to your faq. I am
> >> not big on legal issues, but if you would explain how
> >> this might affect say my Debian installs. I haven't
> >> bought software in many years.
> >>
> >> Question to add to faq:
> >>
> >> How does UCITA affect open source software?
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Bill Warner
> >> Direct Alliance Corp.
> >> Unix/Linux Admin.
> >>
> >> ________________________________________________
> >> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your
> >> mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to
> >> write mail.
> >>
> >> Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> >>
> >
> >________________________________________________
> >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't
> post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> >
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> >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> >
> >
> >
> /------------------------------------------
> |Alan Dayley www.adtron.com
> |Software Engineer 602-735-0300 x331
> |ADayley@adtron.com
> |
> |Adtron Corporation
> |3710 E. University Drive, Suite 5
> |Phoenix, AZ 85034
> \-------------------------------------------
>
> ________________________________________________
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>
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I've sent messages to my legislators, and urge other folks to do the same.
It's strange for a Libertarian like myself to oppose something that appears
(on the surface) to extend the freedom of contract, but having seen how
the courts tend to pervert everything they touch, UCITA scares the living
hell out of me. It'll give the big guys the power to keep little
guys like myself from ever becoming serious competition.
<p>Vaughn Treude
<p>Alan Dayley wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>These are the "talking points" (I hate that term)
from www.4site.org. The
<br>second to the last item is reason enough to kill it, assuming these
summary
<br>points are correct.
<p>I still need to read more about this issue...
<p>Alan
<p>UCITA modifies existing contract law to favor large software publishers
in
<br>their sales to and contracting with businesses and consumers.
<p>UCITA allows consumers to become licensees who are bound to the terms
of
<br>the contract provided in "shrink-wrap" products or "click-on" agreements.
<p>UCITA allows software publishers to shut down mission-critical software
<br>remotely without court approval and without incurring liability for
the
<br>foreseeable harm caused.
<p>UCITA allows software publishers to prohibit the transfer of software
from
<br>one person to another or one company to another -- even in the course
of a
<br>merger or acquisition.
<p>UCITA shields software publishers from liability for damage caused by
<br>defects known to the software publisher, but undisclosed to the licensee,
<br>at the time of purchase.
<p>If the consumer wants to sue over a defective product, UCITA allows
the
<br>software publisher to restrict legal action to a specific jurisdiction
-- a
<br>particular county, state or even a different country.
<p>UCITA threatens library services currently permissible such as
<br>inter-library loan, distance learning programs, archiving and preservation.
<p>UCITA binds purchasers to terms disclosed only after the purchaser pays
for
<br>the software, and allows the software publisher to change the terms
of the
<br>contract unilaterally by e-mail.
<p>UCITA allows software publishers to legally track and collect confidential
<br>information about personal and business activities of licensees.
<p>UCITA allows software publishers to prohibit public criticism of their
<br>products.
<p>At 08:45 AM 3/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
<br>>If we're going to explain to people why this legislature is a bad
idea, we
<br>>need more than that though - We need a detailed explanation of how
it will
<br>>affect individual consumers, the corporate consumer, and even the
<br>>state/federal gov't (as a consumer).
<br>>
<br>>> -----Original Message-----
<br>>> From: Bill Warner [<a href="mailto:wwarner@direct-alliance.com">mailto:wwarner@direct-alliance.com</a>]
<br>>> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:34 AM
<br>>> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
<br>>> Subject: Fwd: UCITA has landed in AZ.
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>> Other than just the general badness of giving more
<br>>> power to the software developer, how does the UCITA
<br>>> affect linux? It seems to me that this can do nothing
<br>>> but make commercial software less appealing and open
<br>>> source more so?????
<br>>>
<br>>> Could you add something about this to your faq. I am
<br>>> not big on legal issues, but if you would explain how
<br>>> this might affect say my Debian installs. I haven't
<br>>> bought software in many years.
<br>>>
<br>>> Question to add to faq:
<br>>>
<br>>> How does UCITA affect open source software?
<br>>>
<br>>> --
<br>>> --
<br>>> Bill Warner
<br>>> Direct Alliance Corp.
<br>>> Unix/Linux Admin.
<br>>>
<br>>> ________________________________________________
<br>>> See <a href="http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml">http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml</a>
if your
<br>>> mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to
<br>>> write mail.
<br>>>
<br>>> Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
<br>>> <a href="http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss">http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a>
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>>________________________________________________
<br>>See <a href="http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml">http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml</a>
if your mail doesn't
<br>post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
<br>>
<br>>Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
<br>><a href="http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss">http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
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<br>|Alan Dayley
www.adtron.com
<br>|Software Engineer 602-735-0300
x331
<br>|ADayley@adtron.com
<br>|
<br>|Adtron Corporation
<br>|3710 E. University Drive, Suite 5
<br>|Phoenix, AZ 85034
<br>\-------------------------------------------
<p>________________________________________________
<br>See <a href="http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml">http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml</a>
if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write
mail.
<p>Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
<br><a href="http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss">http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a></blockquote>
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