Well I was able to get an x screen up (installed some more fonts). The screen comes up, but no window manager is started. I have a .xinitrc & .xsession both calling 'icewm' & sawfish', but neither start NOR complain. Nothing complains, so I don't know where to look? any help? Mike mgcon@getnet.com http://www.getnet.com/~mgcon Phoenix, AZ USA