Linux Programmer

Furmanek, Greg Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com
Wed, 31 May 2000 15:40:13 -0400


Not if you link statically.

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com]
-> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:48 AM
-> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
-> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
-> 
-> 
-> don't you need the standard library? 
-> 
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com]
-> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:48 AM
-> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
-> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
-> 
-> 
-> I do not need dependencies for compiled:
-> 
-> #include <stdio.h>
-> 
-> int
-> main (void) {
-> 	printf ("%s", "Visual basic is bloated");
-> 	return(0);
-> }
-> 
-> however if I wanted to do the same thing in VB I
-> need 2MB worth of files to install!!!
-> 
-> The Wolf
-> 
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com]
-> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:51 AM
-> -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
-> -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
-> -> 
-> -> 
-> -> Tell me what happens when I install an rpm(program A) for 
-> linux. What
-> -> happens if program A has missing dependencies? Then I have 
-> -> to find and
-> -> download the library(library A) so that program A can work. 
-> -> I also have to
-> -> ensure that library A has its dependencies satisfied, or 
-> I'll also be
-> -> installing library B and/or C. It can get pretty recursive, 
-> -> and also doesn't
-> -> take into account the different versions that different 
-> -> executables rely on.
-> -> 
-> -> You must not have read the part concerning the tarball when 
-> -> I mentioned the
-> -> ./configure script, and how it CHECKS FOR DEPENDENCIES. If 
-> -> the script fails
-> -> because of missing dependencies, you have to do the same 
-> -> thing all over
-> -> again. 
-> -> 
-> -> When you compile a VB app, it does have dependencies. It 
-> -> requires a minimum
-> -> number of DLL's for it to work. Big deal. Once the dll's are 
-> -> installed you
-> -> can write as many apps as you want without having to send 
-> -> the same dll's
-> -> over and over again. If you include some new ones, include 
-> -> some new ones. 
-> -> 
-> -> And it's the same thing for Linux, only different. Linux 
-> -> puts an entry into
-> -> the rpm db, MS into the Registry. But as far as 
-> -> applications, dependencies
-> -> and distribution, it's still roughly the same thing. One 
-> -> notable exception,
-> -> however, is that people on this list keep throwing FUD into 
-> -> VB because VB is
-> -> Microsoft, and MS sucks on this list. That may be a 
-> -> compelling argument for
-> -> their business practices, but it doesn't make any sense for 
-> -> this argument.
-> -> 
-> -> 
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com]
-> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:25 AM
-> -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
-> -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
-> -> 
-> -> 
-> -> I do not understand why you comparing way of distributing
-> -> programs to the coding/programming discussion.
-> -> 
-> -> RPM uses database to keep track of the files you installed.
-> -> Tarball is the *source* of a program you are going to 
-> -> compile. 
-> -> After you install you are going to end up with the same result
-> -> with the exception of the entry in the RPM database.
-> -> 
-> -> On the other hand if you write VB 2-liner and you want to 
-> -> distribute that you have to have 2/3 floppies just to fit
-> -> the supporitng libraries on it.
-> -> 
-> -> The Wolf
-> -> 
-> -> 
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com]
-> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 9:31 AM
-> -> -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
-> -> -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer
-> -> -> 
-> -> -> 
-> -> -> Give ME a break. You get the same issues w/RPM's and 
-> -> -> tarballs. The tarballs
-> -> -> have far more damaging potential, though, when you're 
-> running the
-> -> -> ./configure script and it dies because of something you 
-> -> may not know
-> -> -> anything about how to fix, something that happened 
-> -> -> frequently when I was
-> -> -> running COL 2.2. Don't make this a Windows-only (or VB, for 
-> -> -> that matter)
-> -> -> because it isn't.
-> -> -> 
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: The Wolf [mailto:codewolf@earthlink.net]
-> -> -> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 9:19 PM
-> -> -> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
-> -> -> Subject: Re: Linux Programmer
-> -> -> 
-> -> -> 
-> -> -> William Lindley wrote:
-> -> -> > 
-> -> -> > "Code bloat" in my mind is when you write a two-line VB 
-> -> -> program and wind
-> -> -> > up with three megabytes of stuff that has to be installed. 
-> -> ->  Gimme a break.
-> -> -> > 
-> -> -> > \\/
-> -> -> > 
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-> -> -> 
-> -> -> AMEN to this one!!!!
-> -> -> 
-> -> -> -- 
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-> -> -> the question is if we are paranoid enough."
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