dialpad on linux
Lucas Vogel
lvogel@exponent.com
Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:26:36 -0700
The problem isn't dialing modems, it's dialing a PC-to-phone call over the
internet.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tilby, Lynn # PHX [mailto:LTilby@simatics.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:22 AM
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: dialpad on linux
>
>
> It should be pretty easy to write a dialing program using
> Hayes commands and
> a Hayes compatible modem. In fact I wrote one of these in
> basic on a Zenith
> Z-100 (it was actually an autodialer) when I worked in civil
> service about
> 17 years ago...
>
> Lynn P. Tilby
> ltilby@simatics.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. diffing special chars (sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com)
> > 2. Re: diffing special chars (Michael Dearman)
> > 3. RE: Oops (William Lindley)
> > 4. RE: Oops (Jim)
> > 5. RE: dialpad on linux (Lucas Vogel)
> > 6. GUI Mail Clients (was Re: Oops) (Rod Roark)
> > 7. RE: Oops (sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com)
> > 8. cheops (sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com)
> > 9. Re: diffing special chars (Kevin Buettner)
> > 10. Re: dialpad on linux (Michael F. March)
> > 11. Re: diffing special chars (sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com)
> > 12. RE: Oops (Mike Cantrell)
> > 13. Re: dialpad on linux (Shawn T. Rutledge)
> > 14. RE: dialpad on linux (Lucas Vogel)
> > 15. editors (Joel Dudley)
> > 16. Re: editors (ericb@cybertrails.com)
> > 17. Re: editors (Joel Dudley)
> > 18. RE: editors (Lucas Vogel)
> > 19. Re: editors (ericb@cybertrails.com)
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 1
> > From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:52:07 -0700 (MST)
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: diffing special chars
> > Reply-To: sinck@ugive.com
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> >
> >
> > \_ moin, moin,
> > \_
> > \_ doing a couple of filesystems lists and then diffing
> them to make sure
> > \_ they contain the same files. I'm running into a prob
> with files that
> > have
> > \_ either special chars or spaces embedded in the name/path.
> > \_
> > \_ find wants to turn special chars into gobbly-gook,
> whereas tar renders
> > the
> > \_ escapes sequences. Use ls -b to turn the special chars
> into escape
> > \_ sequences it also adds escapes for spaces, which tar doesn't do.
> > \_
> > \_ Either of these probs trips up diff when verifying that
> the file lists
> > are
> > \_ the same.
> > \_
> > \_ Anyone know a solution that doesn't require brute
> forcing with tools
> > like
> > \_ perl or sed/awk?
> >
> > Yeah. Wetware will do it just fine, particularly if assisted by a
> > printer and a secretary. :-)
> >
> > Or try ediff-compare-buffers in emacs. Pretty light show; it'll at
> > least page through the differences coherently for you.
> >
> > David
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:02:36 -0700
> > From: Michael Dearman <mdearman@inficad.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > "der.hans" wrote:
> > >
> > > moin, moin,
> > >
> > > doing a couple of filesystems lists and then diffing them
> to make sure
> > > they contain the same files. I'm running into a prob with
> files that
> > have
> > > either special chars or spaces embedded in the name/path.
> > >
> > > find wants to turn special chars into gobbly-gook,
> whereas tar renders
> > the
> > > escapes sequences. Use ls -b to turn the special chars into escape
> > > sequences it also adds escapes for spaces, which tar doesn't do.
> > >
> > > Either of these probs trips up diff when verifying that
> the file lists
> > are
> > > the same.
> > >
> > > Anyone know a solution that doesn't require brute forcing
> with tools
> > like
> > > perl or sed/awk?
> > >
> >
> > Also, don't quite understand how your assembling your lists
> of files, but
> > having trouble with 'name/path'. But...
> >
> > If your working with lists of files, and able to sort them,
> check out
> > 'comm'.
> > If not able to sort, article 2.14 in 'Unix Power Tools' has
> a trick with
> > grep
> > and diff.
> >
> > There's also a 'dircmp', but it's not on my Linux. Unix P.
> Tools says it's
> > a SysV
> > thing.
> >
> > Mike D.
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 3
> > From: William Lindley <wlindley@wlindley.com>
> > Reply-To: "wlindley@wlindley.com" <wlindley@wlindley.com>
> > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'"
> > <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: RE: Oops
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:02:28 -0700
> > Organization: LS Software
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > J.L.Francois wrote:
> > > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line.
> >
> > Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain
> hard newlines?
> > Why are long lines a problem for modern e-mail systems or
> viewers? Text
> > wrapping is not that difficult an algorithm... or is
> anybody out there
> > still reading messages on a dumb terminal?
> >
> > \\/
> > http://www.wlindley.com
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 4
> > From: Jim <farli@wiredglobal.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: RE: Oops
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:14:52 -0700
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > The problem is not hard newlines. The problem is between
> the chair and
> > the computer. Most email programs will allow you to set
> the line length
> > of your messages.
> >
> > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> > > J.L.Francois wrote:
> > > > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line.
> > >
> > > Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain
> hard newlines?
> >
> > > Why are long lines a problem for modern e-mail systems
> or viewers?
> > Text
> > > wrapping is not that difficult an algorithm... or is
> anybody out there
> > > still reading messages on a dumb terminal?
> > >
> > > \\/
> > > http://www.wlindley.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if
> your mail doesn't
> > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > >
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> > --
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Always practice safe HEX
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 5
> > From: Lucas Vogel <lvogel@exponent.com>
> > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'"
> > <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: RE: dialpad on linux
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:21:16 -0700
> > charset="windows-1252"
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Let me know if you can figure it out; not only could I not
> figure out how
> > to
> > get Dialpad to work, but I didn't understand what this guy
> was trying to
> > say
> > either.
> >
> > Lucas Vogel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: J.L.Francois [mailto:frenchie@magusnet.gilbert.az.us]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:15 AM
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: dialpad on linux
> >
> >
> > It seems like on Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 03:05:32AM -0700,
> Hawke scribbled:
> > Orig Msg> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> recently, someone posted instrictions (or the URL) for
> > Orig Msg> information on how to install dialpad under netscape
> > Orig Msg> on linux boxes.
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> could you please repost that info?
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> >
> > That would be me.
> >
> > Instructions for dialpad in Linux
> > http://my.ispchannel.com/~rottona/linux_dialpad.html
> >
> > Jean Francois - JLF Sends...
> > President & CEO - MagusNet, Inc., MagusNet.com,
> MagusNet.Gilbert.AZ.US
> > Director Of Managed Services - OpNIX,Inc., www.opnix.com
> > OpNIX - Simply Better Bandwidth
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your
> mail doesn't
> > post
> > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> >
> > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 6
> > From: Rod Roark <rod@sunsetsystems.com>
> > Organization: Sunset Systems
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: GUI Mail Clients (was Re: Oops)
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:07:42 -0700
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> > > J.L.Francois wrote:
> > > > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line.
> > >
> > > Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain
> hard newlines?
> >
> > > Why are long lines a problem for modern e-mail systems
> or viewers?
> > Text
> > > wrapping is not that difficult an algorithm... or is
> anybody out there
> > > still reading messages on a dumb terminal?
> >
> > For some reason KDE's kmail, which otherwise is pretty good, cannot
> > word-wrap incoming mail. I use it because it can filter
> messages into
> > designated folders based on the headers, and also supports
> multiple POP
> > accounts.
> >
> > I'd appreciate suggestions for a better Linux-compatible GUI mail
> > client that can do this. LDAP support would be nice too.
> >
> > -- Rod
> > http://www.sunsetsystems.com/
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 7
> > From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:36:20 -0700 (MST)
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: RE: Oops
> > Reply-To: sinck@ugive.com
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> >
> >
> > \_ J.L.Francois wrote:
> > \_ > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line.
> > \_
> > \_ Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain hard
> > newlines?
> >
> > Three letters: lpr
> >
> > David
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 8
> > From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:35:30 -0700
> > To: PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: cheops
> > Reply-to: sinck@ugive.com
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> >
> > Re: JLF's nod to cheops. It does rock.
> >
> > David
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:42:38 -0700
> > From: Kevin Buettner <kev@primenet.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > On Aug 23, 11:12pm, der.hans wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone know a solution that doesn't require brute forcing
> with tools
> > like
> > > perl or sed/awk?
> >
> > Why don't you want to use perl? It's a perfectly
> acceptable tool for
> > this job. Below is a little script which'll list out verbatim the
> > names of the files regardless of the embedded control characters,
> > spaces, etc. Use it to create your file lists and then use diff on
> > them as before.
> >
> > #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> >
> > use File::Find;
> >
> > my ($root) = @ARGV;
> >
> > die "Usage: $0 root\n" unless defined ($root);
> >
> > my @names = ();
> >
> > find(sub { push @names, $File::Find::name; }, $root);
> >
> > print join "\n", sort @names;
> > print "\n";
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 10
> > From: "Michael F. March" <march@indirect.com>
> > To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: Re: dialpad on linux
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:35:23 -0700
> > charset="Windows-1252"
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > There is no way to use dialpad under Linux, yet. It is a
> > Java applet that uses some WIN32 specific code for some
> > of the multimedia portions of the app.
> >
> > The web page below is instructions on how to use dialpad
> > on a Win32 computer through a IPMASQ linux router. If you
> > try to use dialpad with the standard IPMASQ setup it
> > fails.
> >
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lucas Vogel" <lvogel@exponent.com>
> > To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:21 AM
> > Subject: RE: dialpad on linux
> >
> >
> > > Let me know if you can figure it out; not only could I
> not figure out
> > how to
> > > get Dialpad to work, but I didn't understand what this
> guy was trying to
> > say
> > > either.
> > >
> > > Lucas Vogel
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: J.L.Francois [mailto:frenchie@magusnet.gilbert.az.us]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:15 AM
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: dialpad on linux
> > >
> > >
> > > It seems like on Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 03:05:32AM -0700,
> Hawke scribbled:
> > > Orig Msg> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Orig Msg>
> > > Orig Msg> recently, someone posted instrictions (or the URL) for
> > > Orig Msg> information on how to install dialpad under netscape
> > > Orig Msg> on linux boxes.
> > > Orig Msg>
> > > Orig Msg> could you please repost that info?
> > > Orig Msg>
> > > Orig Msg>
> > > Orig Msg> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > >
> > > That would be me.
> > >
> > > Instructions for dialpad in Linux
> > > http://my.ispchannel.com/~rottona/linux_dialpad.html
> > >
> > > Jean Francois - JLF Sends...
> > > President & CEO - MagusNet, Inc., MagusNet.com,
> MagusNet.Gilbert.AZ.US
> > > Director Of Managed Services - OpNIX,Inc., www.opnix.com
> > > OpNIX - Simply Better Bandwidth
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if
> your mail doesn't
> > post
> > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > >
> > > Plug-discuss mailing list -
> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if
> your mail doesn't
> > post to the
> > list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > >
> > > Plug-discuss mailing list -
> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 11
> > From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:20:34 -0700 (MST)
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> > <1000824164238.ZM7134@saguaro.lan>
> > Reply-To: sinck@ugive.com
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> >
> >
> > \_ On Aug 23, 11:12pm, der.hans wrote:
> > \_
> > \_ > Anyone know a solution that doesn't require brute
> forcing with tools
> > like
> > \_ > perl or sed/awk?
> > \_
> > \_ Why don't you want to use perl? It's a perfectly
> acceptable tool for
> > \_ this job. Below is a little script which'll list out
> verbatim the
> > \_ names of the files regardless of the embedded control characters,
> > \_ spaces, etc. Use it to create your file lists and then
> use diff on
> > \_ them as before.
> > \_
> > \_ #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> > \_
> > \_ use File::Find;
> > \_
> > \_ my ($root) = @ARGV;
> > \_
> > \_ die "Usage: $0 root\n" unless defined ($root);
> > \_
> > \_ my @names = ();
> > \_
> > \_ find(sub { push @names, $File::Find::name; }, $root);
> > \_
> > \_ print join "\n", sort @names;
> > \_ print "\n";
> > \_
> >
> > Sooo many lines....
> >
> > perl -MFile::Find -e \
> > 'find sub {print $File::Find::name, "\n";}, shift || "."' \
> > your-optional-dir-here
> >
> > On the downside, this version doesn't sort. :-)
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:46:14 -0700 (MST)
> > From: Mike Cantrell <yomahz@devnull.org>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: RE: Oops
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> >
> > Heh, I was expecting that guy with the p-166 and Outlook to
> respond about
> > it making his mail client too slow :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike Cantrell
> >
> > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > \_ J.L.Francois wrote:
> > > \_ > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line.
> > > \_
> > > \_ Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain hard
> > newlines?
> > >
> > > Three letters: lpr
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if
> your mail doesn't
> > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > >
> > > Plug-discuss mailing list -
> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> > >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:01:06 -0700
> > From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" <rutledge@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: dialpad on linux
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 09:35:23AM -0700, Michael F. March wrote:
> > > There is no way to use dialpad under Linux, yet. It is a
> > > Java applet that uses some WIN32 specific code for some
> > > of the multimedia portions of the app.
> > >
> > > The web page below is instructions on how to use dialpad
> > > on a Win32 computer through a IPMASQ linux router. If you
> > > try to use dialpad with the standard IPMASQ setup it
> > > fails.
> >
> > Bummer.
> >
> > Do we know of any PC-to-phone telephony thingies that do work
> > on Linux? I went looking for one a week or so ago and came up
> > empty.
> >
> > --
> > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD
> ecloud@bigfoot.com
> > (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud
> kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org
> > __) | |
> \________________________________________________________________
> > Get money for spare CPU cycles at
> http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 14
> > From: Lucas Vogel <lvogel@exponent.com>
> > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'"
> > <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: RE: dialpad on linux
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:24:13 -0700
> > charset="windows-1252"
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > http://www.linuxjack.com
> >
> > This company sells a kind of sound card for your phone. The
> problem is, I
> > can't seem to find any sw to use it with. The card looks intriguing,
> > though,
> > once I do find the sw...
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shawn T. Rutledge
> [mailto:rutledge@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:01 AM
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: dialpad on linux
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 09:35:23AM -0700, Michael F. March wrote:
> > > > There is no way to use dialpad under Linux, yet. It is a
> > > > Java applet that uses some WIN32 specific code for some
> > > > of the multimedia portions of the app.
> > > >
> > > > The web page below is instructions on how to use dialpad
> > > > on a Win32 computer through a IPMASQ linux router. If you
> > > > try to use dialpad with the standard IPMASQ setup it
> > > > fails.
> > >
> > > Bummer.
> > >
> > > Do we know of any PC-to-phone telephony thingies that do work
> > > on Linux? I went looking for one a week or so ago and came up
> > > empty.
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD
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> > Message: 15
> > From: joel@silverw.com (Joel Dudley)
> > To: <Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: editors
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:24:33 -0700
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> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
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> > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching myself =
> > programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor,
> Pico, to create =
> > my source code. Now Pico works great, but I was wondering
> if any of the =
> > code gnomes out there knew of any text editors that
> facilitated coding =
> > (I am doing java right now) better. I am not interested in
> any IDE's at =
> > the moment because I want my learning experience to be very
> raw, if that =
> > makes any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my
> message. =20
> >
> > - Joel=20
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------=
> > ---
> > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power
> of reason, =
> > the
> > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of
> ignorance; =
> > he is
> > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over
> the final =
> > rock,
> > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been
> sitting there for
> > centuries."
> >
> > - Dr. Robert Jastrow
> > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies
> >
> >
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> > <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am =
> > teaching myself=20
> > programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor,
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> > create my=20
> > source code. Now Pico works great, but I was
> wondering if any of =
> > the code=20
> > gnomes out there knew of any text editors
> that facilitated coding =
> > (I am=20
> > doing java right now) better. I am not interested in
> any IDE's at =
> > the=20
> > moment because I want my learning experience to be
> very raw, if =
> > that makes=20
> > any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my
> message. =
> >
> > </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT size=3D2>- Joel</FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT=20
> >
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> > ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of
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> > is<BR>about=20
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> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT size=3D2>- Dr. Robert=20
> > Jastrow<BR>
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> > Goddard=20
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> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 16
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:33:15 -0700
> > From: ericb@cybertrails.com
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: editors
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Talk about a question to start a war :) ...
> >
> > use vi! :)
> >
> > hehe... it's great, once you get used to it :)
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:24:33AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote:
> > > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching myself
> > programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor,
> Pico, to create my
> > source code. Now Pico works great, but I was wondering if
> any of the code
> > gnomes out there knew of any text editors that facilitated
> coding (I am
> > doing java right now) better. I am not interested in any
> IDE's at the
> > moment because I want my learning experience to be very
> raw, if that makes
> > any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my message.
> > >
> > > - Joel
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> > --
> > > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the
> power of reason,
> > the
> > > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains
> of ignorance;
> > he is
> > > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself
> over the final
> > rock,
> > > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been
> sitting there for
> > > centuries."
> > >
> > > - Dr. Robert Jastrow
> > > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Eric Barendt
> > RHCE #806200039001688
> > System Administrator
> > Cyber Trails
> >
> > .~.
> > /V\
> > // \\
> > /( )\
> > ^`~'^
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 17
> > From: joel@silverw.com (Joel Dudley)
> > To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: Re: editors
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:32:40 -0700
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Yes, I guess I should have weighted the volitility of my
> question :-). I
> > will tell everyone right now that I have tried to use vi
> and I don't like
> > it
> > (please don't burn down my house). I was thinking about
> editors that did
> > text highlighting and the like for program code without
> having to use an
> > IDE. remember I am a programming newbie so be lienient if
> my terms or
> > questions seem incorrect. Thank you.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <ericb@cybertrails.com>
> > To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: editors
> >
> >
> > > Talk about a question to start a war :) ...
> > >
> > > use vi! :)
> > >
> > > hehe... it's great, once you get used to it :)
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:24:33AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote:
> > > > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching myself
> > programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor,
> Pico, to create my
> > source code. Now Pico works great, but I was wondering if
> any of the code
> > gnomes out there knew of any text editors that facilitated
> coding (I am
> > doing java right now) better. I am not interested in any
> IDE's at the
> > moment because I want my learning experience to be very
> raw, if that makes
> > any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my message.
> > > >
> > > > - Joel
> > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> > --
> > > > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the
> power of reason,
> > the
> > > > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the
> mountains of ignorance;
> > he is
> > > > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself
> over the final
> > rock,
> > > > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been
> sitting there for
> > > > centuries."
> > > >
> > > > - Dr. Robert Jastrow
> > > > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eric Barendt
> > > RHCE #806200039001688
> > > System Administrator
> > > Cyber Trails
> > >
> > > .~.
> > > /V\
> > > // \\
> > > /( )\
> > > ^`~'^
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if
> your mail doesn't
> > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > >
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> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 18
> > From: Lucas Vogel <lvogel@exponent.com>
> > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'"
> > <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: RE: editors
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:37:07 -0700
> > charset="windows-1252"
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > on win32, I absolutely love using TextPad:
> > www.textpad.com
> >
> > For Linux, I've been wanting to evaluate a product called Moonshine:
> > http://www.suite3220.com/moonshine/index.html
> >
> > I haven't installed it yet, but it looks to be like
> KDevelop with a few
> > more
> > features...
> >
> > HTH
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ericb@cybertrails.com [mailto:ericb@cybertrails.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:33 AM
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: editors
> > >
> > >
> > > Talk about a question to start a war :) ...
> > >
> > > use vi! :)
> > >
> > > hehe... it's great, once you get used to it :)
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:24:33AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote:
> > > > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching
> > > myself programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor,
> > > Pico, to create my source code. Now Pico works great, but I
> > > was wondering if any of the code gnomes out there knew of any
> > > text editors that facilitated coding (I am doing java right
> > > now) better. I am not interested in any IDE's at the moment
> > > because I want my learning experience to be very raw, if that
> > > makes any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read
> my message.
> > > >
> > > > - Joel
> > > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --------------
> > > > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power
> > > of reason, the
> > > > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of
> > > ignorance; he is
> > > > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over
> > > the final rock,
> > > > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been
> > > sitting there for
> > > > centuries."
> > > >
> > > > - Dr. Robert Jastrow
> > > > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eric Barendt
> > > RHCE #806200039001688
> > > System Administrator
> > > Cyber Trails
> > >
> > > .~.
> > > /V\
> > > // \\
> > > /( )\
> > > ^`~'^
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your
> > > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to
> > > write mail.
> > >
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> > >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 19
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:40:05 -0700
> > From: ericb@cybertrails.com
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: editors
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Actually, if you look around for .vimrc files, they do
> that... I'm not
> > really sure where to get them though :). I'm sure you
> could write one,
> > but it'd be much easier to download one. If you have one,
> it will do
> > syntax highlighting for whatever language you're using,
> makes things much
> > easier to read :)
> >
> > Later...
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:32:40AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote:
> > > Yes, I guess I should have weighted the volitility of my
> question :-).
> > I
> > > will tell everyone right now that I have tried to use vi
> and I don't
> > like it
> > > (please don't burn down my house). I was thinking about
> editors that
> > did
> > > text highlighting and the like for program code without
> having to use an
> > > IDE. remember I am a programming newbie so be lienient if
> my terms or
> > > questions seem incorrect. Thank you.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <ericb@cybertrails.com>
> > > To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:33 AM
> > > Subject: Re: editors
> > >
> > >
> > > > Talk about a question to start a war :) ...
> > > >
> > > > use vi! :)
> > > >
> > > > hehe... it's great, once you get used to it :)
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:24:33AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote:
> > > > > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching myself
> > > programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor,
> Pico, to create
> > my
> > > source code. Now Pico works great, but I was wondering
> if any of the
> > code
> > > gnomes out there knew of any text editors that
> facilitated coding (I am
> > > doing java right now) better. I am not interested in any
> IDE's at the
> > > moment because I want my learning experience to be very
> raw, if that
> > makes
> > > any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my message.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Joel
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> > > --
> > > > > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of
> > reason,
> > > the
> > > > > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of
> > ignorance;
> > > he is
> > > > > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls
> himself over the
> > final
> > > rock,
> > > > > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been
> sitting there
> > for
> > > > > centuries."
> > > > >
> > > > > - Dr. Robert Jastrow
> > > > > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Eric Barendt
> > > > RHCE #806200039001688
> > > > System Administrator
> > > > Cyber Trails
> > > >
> > > > .~.
> > > > /V\
> > > > // \\
> > > > /( )\
> > > > ^`~'^
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________________________
> > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail
> > doesn't
> > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
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> your mail doesn't
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> >
> > --
> > Eric Barendt
> > RHCE #806200039001688
> > System Administrator
> > Cyber Trails
> >
> >
> >
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