From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Wed Apr 2 17:20:04 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Phil Winninghoff)
Date: Wed Apr 2 17:20:04 2003
Subject: New Member
Message-ID: <000801c2f972$bd78e540$9b896d44@cx1148753a>
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I am a new member and fairly new to Linux, but have been hacking for =
several years. In my migration from MS DOS I am haveing some difficulty =
with some of the things I want to do. I have been developing a system =
derived from the turtle graphics work done at MIT in the seventies and =
am looking for help in porting it to Linux. I have it partially working =
under FreeX86. The DOS version sets up the monitor modes and uses the =
full screen. I think that Open GL uses this method but do not have =
loaded on my computer. If there is someone willing to give me some help =
with this I will certainly appreciate it.
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I am a new member and fairly new to =
Linux, but have=20
been hacking for several years. In my migration from MS DOS I am =
haveing=20
some difficulty with some of the things I want to do. I have been =
developing a=20
system derived from the turtle graphics work done at MIT in the =
seventies and am=20
looking for help in porting it to Linux. I have it partially working =
under=20
FreeX86. The DOS version sets up the monitor modes and uses the full =
screen. I=20
think that Open GL uses this method but do not have loaded on my =
computer. If=20
there is someone willing to give me some help with this I will certainly =
appreciate it.
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From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Wed Apr 2 17:33:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Rob Wehrli)
Date: Wed Apr 2 17:33:02 2003
Subject: New Member
In-Reply-To: <000801c2f972$bd78e540$9b896d44@cx1148753a>
Message-ID:
Phil,
If this is an Open Source effort, I'd recommend that you start a
SourceForge project and invite developers to participate through that
medium, since it offers the logistical support necessary for advancing a
project well beyond what anything else permits. I think that the basic
project idea sounds very interesting. I'm sure that many other
developers will think so, too.
If you're unfamiliar with SF, take a look at:
http://www.sourceforge.net
...for more details.
Take Care.
Rob!
-----Original Message-----
From: plug-devel-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
[mailto:plug-devel-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Phil
Winninghoff
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:51 PM
To: Developers PLUG
Subject: New Member
I am a new member and fairly new to Linux, but have been hacking for
several years. In my migration from MS DOS I am haveing some difficulty
with some of the things I want to do. I have been developing a system
derived from the turtle graphics work done at MIT in the seventies and
am looking for help in porting it to Linux. I have it partially working
under FreeX86. The DOS version sets up the monitor modes and uses the
full screen. I think that Open GL uses this method but do not have
loaded on my computer. If there is someone willing to give me some help
with this I will certainly appreciate it.
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Wed Apr 2 19:27:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober)
Date: Wed Apr 2 19:27:02 2003
Subject: New Member
References: <000801c2f972$bd78e540$9b896d44@cx1148753a>
Message-ID: <004901c2f984$89490ae0$6401a8c0@blueskygig>
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Greetings Phil!
If you are only need 2d, check out the Simple DirectMedia Layer =
www.libsdl.org - It is an outstanding open-source cross-platform library =
for graphics, sound, and input. This is what you want if you want =
full-screen multi-resolution support without needing to do low-level =
X-Windows API.
If you need 3d, then
An open-source version of OpenGL is availible at: =
http://www.mesa3d.org/.
If you want hardware acceleration, see www.nvidia.com or =
http://dri.sourceforge.net/ .
Also, you can use the sdl or =
http://www.opengl.org/developers/documentation/glut.html with whatever =
OpenGL implementation you want.
And of course, I highly recommend both gcc http://gcc.gnu.org/ for your =
compiler and Emacs http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ as your editor.
Good Luck!!
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Phil Winninghoff=20
To: Developers PLUG=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:51 PM
Subject: New Member
I am a new member and fairly new to Linux, but have been hacking for =
several years. In my migration from MS DOS I am haveing some difficulty =
with some of the things I want to do. I have been developing a system =
derived from the turtle graphics work done at MIT in the seventies and =
am looking for help in porting it to Linux. I have it partially working =
under FreeX86. The DOS version sets up the monitor modes and uses the =
full screen. I think that Open GL uses this method but do not have =
loaded on my computer. If there is someone willing to give me some help =
with this I will certainly appreciate it.
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Greetings Phil!
If you are only need 2d, check out the =
Simple=20
DirectMedia Layer www.libsdl.org - It=20
is an outstanding open-source cross-platform library for graphics, =
sound,=20
and input. This is what you want if you want =
full-screen=20
multi-resolution support without needing to do =
low-level X-Windows=20
API.
If you need 3d, then
If you want hardware acceleration, see =
www.nvidia.com or http://dri.sourceforge.net/ =
;.
Also, you can use the sdl or http://=
www.opengl.org/developers/documentation/glut.html with=20
whatever OpenGL implementation you want.
And of course, I highly recommend both =
gcc http://gcc.gnu.org/ for your =
compiler=20
and Emacs http://www.gnu.org/software/e=
macs/ as=20
your editor.
Good Luck!!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20
Phil =
Winninghoff=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 =
4:51=20
PM
Subject: New Member
I am a new member and fairly new to =
Linux, but=20
have been hacking for several years. In my migration from MS DOS =
I am=20
haveing some difficulty with some of the things I want to do. I have =
been=20
developing a system derived from the turtle graphics work done at MIT =
in the=20
seventies and am looking for help in porting it to Linux. I have it =
partially=20
working under FreeX86. The DOS version sets up the monitor modes and =
uses the=20
full screen. I think that Open GL uses this method but do not have =
loaded on=20
my computer. If there is someone willing to give me some help with =
this I will=20
certainly appreciate it.
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From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Sat Apr 5 12:59:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Phil Winninghoff)
Date: Sat Apr 5 12:59:02 2003
Subject: Need help with SourcdForge
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Rob Wehrli suggested that I work through SourceForge in my efforts to =
transport my graphics project to the Linux platform. I am making some =
progress, but my Internet box is Windows XE so I downloaded PuTTY which =
(I think) allows me to run as a remote to a SourceForge server using SSH =
(Secure SHell) which SourceForge requires. The problem I am having is =
getting PuTTY to configure correctly on my Windows box. Has anyone had =
any experience with this? I hope to attend the Developers Meeting Monday =
and can bring some printouts of screen snapshots of what is happening.
Phil Winninghoff
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so I=20
downloaded PuTTY which (I think) allows me to run as a remote to a=20
SourceForge server using SSH (Secure SHell) which SourceForge =
requires. The=20
problem I am having is getting PuTTY to configure correctly on my =
Windows box.=20
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Meeting=20
Monday and can bring some printouts of screen snapshots of what is=20
happening.
Phil =
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From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Sat Apr 5 13:55:03 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Rob Wehrli)
Date: Sat Apr 5 13:55:03 2003
Subject: Need help with SourcdForge
In-Reply-To: <001601c2fba9$c3dab3d0$9b896d44@cx1148753a>
Message-ID:
In my experience with Putty, which is reasonably extensive, it just
works. I don't know what Windows XE is, but if you mean XP, I haven't
tried it on that platform.
As a note, you'll find that Putty (SSH) isn't really as intuitive as
all that...
Type in a hostname
Click the SSH radio button
Click the Save button
Click on the hostname in the combo box of saved sessions
Click the Open button (or just double click the hostname)
Answer Yes when prompted, if you have not previously connected to the
particular host
Enter your username and password when prompted
Be sure to "Load" a session and then "Open" it or modify it. If you
modify it, "Save" it before "Open"ing it to keep the changes.
I will be at the dev meeting on Monday and perhaps can answer your
questions.
I strongly recommend using Linux for your Internet connection purposes
then share the connection with your other boxes :)
Take Care.
Rob!
-----Original Message-----
From: plug-devel-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
[mailto:plug-devel-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Phil
Winninghoff
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 12:30 PM
To: Developers PLUG
Subject: Need help with SourcdForge
Rob Wehrli suggested that I work through SourceForge in my efforts to
transport my graphics project to the Linux platform. I am making some
progress, but my Internet box is Windows XE so I downloaded PuTTY which
(I think) allows me to run as a remote to a SourceForge server using SSH
(Secure SHell) which SourceForge requires. The problem I am having is
getting PuTTY to configure correctly on my Windows box. Has anyone had
any experience with this? I hope to attend the Developers Meeting Monday
and can bring some printouts of screen snapshots of what is happening.
Phil Winninghoff
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Mon Apr 7 15:58:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley)
Date: Mon Apr 7 15:58:02 2003
Subject: Meeting tonight!
Message-ID: <722421.1049754495519.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
Don't forget. Meeting on embedding Linux with uClinux. Presenter, pizza, prizes and projector all arranged. See the announcement on the plug website for details (http://plug.phoenix.az.us).
Should be a good one!
Alan
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Mon Apr 7 17:06:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (der.hans)
Date: Mon Apr 7 17:06:02 2003
Subject: RH 9 CDs tonight?
Message-ID:
moin, moin,
could someone bring me a copy of RH 9 tonight?
ciao,
der.hans
--
# https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.TOLISGroup.com/
# Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Mon Apr 7 17:20:03 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Rob Wehrli)
Date: Mon Apr 7 17:20:03 2003
Subject: RH 9 CDs tonight?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Me, too! I'll trade a slice of pizza for each CD... :)
Take Care.
Rob!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plug-devel-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> [mailto:plug-devel-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf
> Of der.hans
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 4:33 PM
> To: PLUG-Developers
> Subject: RH 9 CDs tonight?
>
>
> moin, moin,
>
> could someone bring me a copy of RH 9 tonight?
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Mon Apr 7 17:53:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (der.hans)
Date: Mon Apr 7 17:53:02 2003
Subject: RH 9 CDs tonight?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Am 07. Apr, 2003 schw=E4tzte Rob Wehrli so:
> Me, too! I'll trade a slice of pizza for each CD... :)
Well, I'm good for 3 slices except the CDs weren't burned properly. Does
that mean I only get half-cooked pieces?
ciao,
der.hans
--=20
# https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.TOLISGroup.com/
# Motorraeder toeten nicht. Motorraeder werden getoetet.
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Mon Apr 7 21:13:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner)
Date: Mon Apr 7 21:13:02 2003
Subject: Perl and SQL
References: <3E80406F.2060106@uberhip.com> <3E805900.9040909@cox.net> <16000.27412.214797.596781@magnitude.righthandgraphics.com> <3E81330B.4000901@uberhip.com>
Message-ID: <3E9241D2.3090608@cox.net>
David A. Sinck wrote:
> my $sql = 'insert into something (autoinc, textcolumn) values (0, ?)';
> $sth->execute($nasty_raw_unclean_user_input); # see 'Placeholder and
> Bind Values' in the DBI man page
Thanks, David. I didn't realize quite how big or how nasty
Austin's "text" was going to be, hence my la-de-da answer.
The above is a valuable addition to my DBI knowledge.
Thanks again,
Vic
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 8 00:57:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (der.hans)
Date: Tue Apr 8 00:57:02 2003
Subject: thanks to Rob
Message-ID:
moin, moin,
thanks to Rob for tonight's presentation. We got good coverage of embedded
as well as an intro into the breadth of the Hitachi H8, SH4 and SH5 product
lines. He also brought plenty of giveaways ( including 4 boards! ) and
fielded a *wide* range of questions. Thanks for the info and the sense of
humor.
http://www.azpower.com/H8-uClinux/ if you're wanting to help with the
uClinux port to the H8S microprocessor.
Thanks also to Parvis of Boundary Devices, http://www.BoundaryDevices.com/,
who got up at the end to demonstrate their product. He also said that fixes
they make for the StrongARM/XScale ports of Linux do get sent back to the
community.
A few of us talked at the end and thought that worked well. If you know of a
company in town that uses Linux for their products ( embedded are cool, but
any good tie to development is good ) have them let us know, so we can get
them in to talk about what they're doing with Free Software here in town.
Deepak, of Monta Vista and Intel fame, volunteered to give the presentation
in June. Wear your hard hats :).
Finally: thanks again Rob for the pizza and pop!
ciao,
der.hans
--
# https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.TOLISGroup.com/
# When you are tired of choosing the lesser of two evils,
# Vote Cthulhu for President!
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 8 10:08:03 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Phil Winninghoff)
Date: Tue Apr 8 10:08:03 2003
Subject: Graphics Project
Message-ID: <003501c2fde4$e1644190$9b896d44@cx1148753a>
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I would like to get together with anyone interested in looking at what I =
call the QuadPlod Graphics Project. I have just began to put it on =
SourceForge ( http://quadpod.sourceforge.net ) and if you look at this =
you will see that the page needs work. In fact I have not a clue as to =
how to edit it. SorgeForge put in a link to a html file that I uploaded =
and can work on, however. The fact is, I can use some help with =
SorceForge. I met Alan Dayley at the developers meeting last evening and =
he told me that members occasionally get together, like at Starbucks or =
some agreed upon place. I have my QuadPod thing loaded on a Windows =
laptop and could give a short, informal presentation. My goal is to get =
at least one person interested. It's no big thing - just a hobby - but I =
think if I can get it moved to Linux I can get more interest and support =
than I have been able to gather from the Windows folks. I want to give =
it away to people for free. Yes, as in free beer, and also free speech =
of course. The Windows folks are very suspicious of this kind of =
behavior in people, so I have been having a hard time getting any of =
them even interested in looking at it. This is getting too long. Let me =
know if you would be interested in finding a convenient place to meet =
sometime before mid June. I may be returning to Montana then, but just =
for the summer.=20
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I would like to get together with =
anyone interested=20
in looking at what I call the QuadPlod Graphics Project. I have just =
began to=20
put it on SourceForge ( http://quadpod.sourceforge.net ) and=20
if you look at this you will see that the page needs work. In =
fact I=20
have not a clue as to how to edit it. SorgeForge put in a link =
to a=20
html file that I uploaded and can work on, however. The fact is, I can =
use some=20
help with SorceForge. I met Alan Dayley at the developers meeting last =
evening=20
and he told me that members occasionally get together, like at Starbucks =
or some=20
agreed upon place. I have my QuadPod thing loaded on a Windows laptop =
and could=20
give a short, informal presentation. My goal is to get at =
least one=20
person interested. It's no big thing - just a hobby - but I think if I =
can get=20
it moved to Linux I can get more interest and support than I have been =
able to=20
gather from the Windows folks. I want to give it away to people for =
free. Yes,=20
as in free beer, and also free speech of course. The Windows folks are =
very=20
suspicious of this kind of behavior in people, so I have been having a =
hard time=20
getting any of them even interested in looking at it. This is getting =
too long.=20
Let me know if you would be interested in finding a convenient place to =
meet=20
sometime before mid June. I may be returning to Montana then, but just =
for the=20
summer.
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From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 8 10:30:04 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us)
Date: Tue Apr 8 10:30:04 2003
Subject: thanks to Rob
Message-ID:
I am sorry I missed it - for some reason I was thinking the meeting was
Thursday...
Rob - Did you give away all the boards?
I am going to check out the site now....
:-(
Bob
"der.hans"
T
To: PLUG-Developers
Sent by: cc:
plug-devel-admin@lists.PLU
G.phoenix.az.us bcc:
Subject: thanks to Rob
04/08/2003 12:23 AM
Please respond to
plug-devel
moin, moin,
thanks to Rob for tonight's presentation. We got good coverage of embedded
as well as an intro into the breadth of the Hitachi H8, SH4 and SH5 product
lines. He also brought plenty of giveaways ( including 4 boards! ) and
fielded a *wide* range of questions. Thanks for the info and the sense of
humor.
http://www.azpower.com/H8-uClinux/ if you're wanting to help with the
uClinux port to the H8S microprocessor.
Thanks also to Parvis of Boundary Devices, http://www.BoundaryDevices.com/,
who got up at the end to demonstrate their product. He also said that fixes
they make for the StrongARM/XScale ports of Linux do get sent back to the
community.
A few of us talked at the end and thought that worked well. If you know of
a
company in town that uses Linux for their products ( embedded are cool, but
any good tie to development is good ) have them let us know, so we can get
them in to talk about what they're doing with Free Software here in town.
Deepak, of Monta Vista and Intel fame, volunteered to give the presentation
in June. Wear your hard hats :).
Finally: thanks again Rob for the pizza and pop!
ciao,
der.hans
--
# https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.TOLISGroup.com/
# When you are tired of choosing the lesser of two evils,
# Vote Cthulhu for President!
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From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 8 15:27:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (der.hans)
Date: Tue Apr 8 15:27:02 2003
Subject: thanks to Rob
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Am 08. Apr, 2003 schw=E4tzte coberr@scottsdaleins.com so:
> I am sorry I missed it - for some reason I was thinking the meeting was
> Thursday...
The East Side meeting is this Thu. Dennis will be doing a presentation on
Slackware to honor the 10 year anniversary of Slackware.
ciao,
der.hans
--=20
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# To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
# are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
# and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
# -- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 8 17:53:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (technomage)
Date: Tue Apr 8 17:53:02 2003
Subject: thanks to Rob
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <200304081723.31100.technomage-hawke@cox.net>
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Make sure you have some extra discs of that one handy. I'm sure more than a
few of us would like to have a copy or so.
Mage
On Tuesday 08 April 2003 02:53 pm, der.hans wrote:
> Am 08. Apr, 2003 schwätzte coberr@scottsdaleins.com so:
> > I am sorry I missed it - for some reason I was thinking the meeting was
> > Thursday...
>
> The East Side meeting is this Thu. Dennis will be doing a presentation on
> Slackware to honor the 10 year anniversary of Slackware.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
- --
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or
numbered!
My life is my own - No. 6
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From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 8 21:35:03 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Michael Wittman)
Date: Tue Apr 8 21:35:03 2003
Subject: Graphics Project
In-Reply-To: <003501c2fde4$e1644190$9b896d44@cx1148753a>
References: <003501c2fde4$e1644190$9b896d44@cx1148753a>
Message-ID: <20030409040525.GA1820@texel.localdomain>
Have you looked at UCB Logo?
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/logo.html
It's a free software Logo implementation and it sounds like it may be
close to what you're trying to do.
-Mike
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 8 22:32:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Alexander Henry)
Date: Tue Apr 8 22:32:02 2003
Subject: Graphics Project
References: <003501c2fde4$e1644190$9b896d44@cx1148753a> <20030409040525.GA1820@texel.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3E93A9AC.8FAE792D@cox.net>
Michael Wittman wrote:
> Have you looked at UCB Logo?
> http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/logo.html
>
> It's a free software Logo implementation and it sounds like it may be
> close to what you're trying to do.
>
> -Mike
>
> _____________
What is it you are trying to do exactly? There is lots of 'graphics'
stuff.
--Alexander
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Wed Apr 9 11:27:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us)
Date: Wed Apr 9 11:27:02 2003
Subject: Easy Question
Message-ID:
I have forgotten how to list the functions exported from a .so library.
Anyone remember?
Thanks
Bob
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Wed Apr 9 11:43:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us)
Date: Wed Apr 9 11:43:02 2003
Subject: Easy Question
Message-ID:
FYI - I googled it...nm was what i was looking for...
"nm --dynamic /usr/lib/libfoo.so.X" will display the symbols defined by the
library.
"ldconfig -p" will display the contents of the cache.
"ldconfig -D" will search for shared libraries and display them.
"ldd foo" will display the shared libraries required by foo, and where they
were found.
coberr@scottsdaleins.com
T
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I have forgotten how to list the functions exported from a .so library.
Anyone remember?
Thanks
Bob
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From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Mon Apr 21 21:32:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Deepak Saxena)
Date: Mon Apr 21 21:32:02 2003
Subject: June meeting topic
Message-ID: <20030422035918.GA16471@arrakis.plexity.net>
I've agreed to do a presentation for June and would like to
run some possible topics by the group to make sure that
it's something that interests people. From the last meeting,
it seemed like there are a fair number of embedded people on
the list and since that's my area of focus, it'll definetely
be in that area. Possible topics so far:
- Embedded Systems Development With MontaVista Linux
An overview of the MVL development environment and how
one would use it for embedded systems development. This
wouldn't be very low level type stuff, so I might save
this for a regular PLUG meeting if the devel group isn't
as interested.
- Migrating Device Drivers to 2.5/2.6
An overview of how to move drivers to the 2.5/2.6 kernel
with a majority of focus on sysfs and the new Linux device model.
- ???
I'm open to suggestions. I'm willing to do some research if
it's something that I'm interested in and related to my area
of expertise.
~Deepak
--
In America, you are free to speak your mind as long as you agree
with what's CNN wants you to think.
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Mon Apr 21 23:19:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Ted Gould)
Date: Mon Apr 21 23:19:02 2003
Subject: June meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <20030422035918.GA16471@arrakis.plexity.net>
References: <20030422035918.GA16471@arrakis.plexity.net>
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On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 20:59, Deepak Saxena wrote:
> - Embedded Systems Development With MontaVista Linux
Sounds interesting.
> - Migrating Device Drivers to 2.5/2.6
Sounds okay, probably something I'd never do, but it would be
interesting to see the design changes from 2.5 to 2.6.
> - ???
>=20
> I'm open to suggestions. I'm willing to do some research if
> it's something that I'm interested in and related to my area
> of expertise.
Well, what's your area of expertise?
Something that sounds like it might be related would be a comparison of
using embedded Linux and Win CE or VxWorks. It would be interesting to
see how Linux compares to the other big two. I don't know if that is
more a MontaVista marketing presentation thou...
Another thing that I think might be interesting (and I don't know if
your the person for it, but I'll through it out there) would be a
discussion of developing for different architectures (MIPS, PPC, x86,
ARM...) and what effects that has on code. I would be interested in
even the differences of their boot code and memory maps, but I don't
know if that is really a Linux related topic. I'd find it interesting.
A presentation that I was thinking about volunteering would be to do a
one hour introduction to computer architecture. Like really take apart
a modern RISC pipeline and kinda explain how it all works. Ofcourse, it
couldn't be too in depth, but I think that I could pull off a reasonable
overview that would help people code in an hour or so. I could probably
also go into the memory hierarchy and some caching methods. Comments?=20
Ideas? Would that be interesting to anyone besides me?
--Ted
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From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 22 10:09:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley)
Date: Tue Apr 22 10:09:02 2003
Subject: June meeting topic
Message-ID: <1036417.1051029415751.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
It's still April and were planning the details for the June meeting? Cool! :^)
The Monta Vista Linux would be neat but between that and the driver migration, I'd rather hear about the drivers. That's my vote.
Alan
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 22 17:00:04 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Phil Winninghoff)
Date: Tue Apr 22 17:00:04 2003
Subject: OpenGL/Mesa
Message-ID: <000801c30926$bd232470$5da30344@cx1148753a>
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From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 22 20:10:03 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Bob Cober)
Date: Tue Apr 22 20:10:03 2003
Subject: OpenGL/Mesa
In-Reply-To: <000801c30926$bd232470$5da30344@cx1148753a>
References: <000801c30926$bd232470$5da30344@cx1148753a>
Message-ID: <1051065452.12295.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
It looks like it is the Nano Window Toolkit.
http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/graphics/doc/tk-documentation
This library can probably be replaced by GLUT or SDL -
http://www.libsdl.org/index.php, with some modifications of course.
FYI - I highly recommend the NeHe Tutorials at
http://nehe.gamedev.net/. The have Linux versions of most of their
stuff.
Good Luck
Bob
On Tue, 2003-04-22 at 16:27, Phil Winninghoff wrote:
> I am trying to go through an OpenGL tutorial I found on the web http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html The first example is a Hello World program that has a #include in the header. I have tried to install Mesa and GLUT but that include file never gets put into the /usr/include directory. In fact I can find it nowhere on my Progeny/debian distribution and searching the web has not helped. I expect there must be a copy of it somewhere. Can anyone give me a suggestion of where to look?
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 22 20:29:03 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Rob Wehrli)
Date: Tue Apr 22 20:29:03 2003
Subject: OpenGL/Mesa
In-Reply-To: <000801c30926$bd232470$5da30344@cx1148753a>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Phil Winninghoff wrote:
Phil,
You may want to check out some of the online free information on
O'Reilly's web site.
http://www.oreillynet.com/search/index.ncsp?sp-q=OpenGL&sp-k=all
Take Care.
Rob!
> I am trying to go through an OpenGL tutorial I found on the web
> http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html The first
> example is a Hello World program that has a #include in the
> header. I have tried to install Mesa and GLUT but that include file
> never gets put into the /usr/include directory. In fact I can find it
> nowhere on my Progeny/debian distribution and searching the web has not
> helped. I expect there must be a copy of it somewhere. Can anyone give
> me a suggestion of where to look?
>
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 22 20:52:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Michael Wittman)
Date: Tue Apr 22 20:52:02 2003
Subject: OpenGL/Mesa
In-Reply-To: <000801c30926$bd232470$5da30344@cx1148753a>
References: <000801c30926$bd232470$5da30344@cx1148753a>
Message-ID: <20030423031932.GA2226@texel.localdomain>
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 05:27:27PM -0600, Phil Winninghoff wrote:
> I am trying to go through an OpenGL tutorial I found on the web http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html The first example is a Hello World program that has a #include in the header. I have tried to install Mesa and GLUT but that include file never gets put into the /usr/include directory. In fact I can find it nowhere on my Progeny/debian distribution and searching the web has not helped. I expect there must be a copy of it somewhere. Can anyone give me a suggestion of where to look?
I addition to the other suggestions, also check out Nate Robins' OpenGL
tutorials:
http://www.xmission.com/~nate/tutors.html
You'll want to grab this Makefile to build on Linux:
http://members.shaw.ca/ryants/opengl/Makefile
-Mike
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Wed Apr 23 11:26:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Deepak Saxena)
Date: Wed Apr 23 11:26:02 2003
Subject: June meeting topici
In-Reply-To: <1036417.1051029415751.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <1036417.1051029415751.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20030423175312.GA19899@arrakis.plexity.net>
Ok, I've had enough people say they're interested in driver migration,
and since I need to learn that anyways, it's a go. Pizza will be
provided by MontaVista.
On Apr 22 2003, at 12:36, Alan Dayley was caught saying:
> It's still April and were planning the details for the June meeting? Cool! :^)
>
> The Monta Vista Linux would be neat but between that and the driver migration, I'd rather hear about the drivers. That's my vote.
>
> Alan
>
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From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Wed Apr 23 12:30:03 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley)
Date: Wed Apr 23 12:30:03 2003
Subject: June meeting topici
Message-ID: <3105097.1051124234033.JavaMail.nobody@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
WooHoo! Drivers and pizza! What a deal!
Let me know if there is any other resources that you may need like a test box or whatever. I'll do the leg work to get/find it.
Alan
-------Original Message-------
From: Deepak Saxena
Sent: 04/23/03 10:53 AM
To: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Re: June meeting topici
>
>
Ok, I've had enough people say they're interested in driver migration,
and since I need to learn that anyways, it's a go. Pizza will be
provided by MontaVista.
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Thu Apr 24 17:07:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish)
Date: Thu Apr 24 17:07:02 2003
Subject: [Fwd: Bash shell help]
Message-ID: <1051227386.1828.158.camel@hawk>
-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Carl Parrish
To: Plug-devel
Subject: Bash shell help
Date: 24 Apr 2003 15:56:48 -0700
in a bash shell how do you just "hit enter?" I've got a script that's
supposed to enter a password. In this case I've already used ssh2 and a
keygen so I don't need to enter a passwd I just need to "enter" a blank.
I can pass a password to the cmd line just fine. And maybe its because I
haven't sleeped in 28 hours but I can't remember how to do *just* send a
blank line.
HELP.
--
Carl Parrish (cparrish@carlparrish.com)
http://www.carlparrish.com
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From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Thu Apr 24 17:26:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Carl Parrish)
Date: Thu Apr 24 17:26:02 2003
Subject: Bash shell help
Message-ID: <1051225007.1820.150.camel@hawk>
in a bash shell how do you just "hit enter?" I've got a script that's
supposed to enter a password. In this case I've already used ssh2 and a
keygen so I don't need to enter a passwd I just need to "enter" a blank.
I can pass a password to the cmd line just fine. And maybe its because I
haven't sleeped in 28 hours but I can't remember how to do *just* send a
blank line.
HELP.
--
Carl Parrish (cparrish@carlparrish.com)
http://www.carlparrish.com
---
Registered Linux User #295761 http://counter.li.org
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Thu Apr 24 20:14:03 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Victor Odhner)
Date: Thu Apr 24 20:14:03 2003
Subject: Bash shell help
In-Reply-To: <1051225007.1820.150.camel@hawk>
References: <1051225007.1820.150.camel@hawk>
Message-ID: <3EA8A020.6070401@cox.net>
Carl Parrish wrote:
> in a bash shell how do you just "hit enter?" I've got a script
> that's supposed to enter a password. In this case I've already
> used ssh2 and a keygen so I don't need to enter a passwd I just
> need to "enter" a blank.
The "script" of input to the program in question
may be done with "here files", e.g.,
program <
Message-ID:
Am 24. Apr, 2003 schw=E4tzte Carl Parrish so:
> in a bash shell how do you just "hit enter?" I've got a script that's
> supposed to enter a password. In this case I've already used ssh2 and a
> keygen so I don't need to enter a passwd I just need to "enter" a blank.
> I can pass a password to the cmd line just fine. And maybe its because I
> haven't sleeped in 28 hours but I can't remember how to do *just* send a
> blank line.
Carl,
you might need to go to expect or perl. zsh should be able to do it, I don'=
t
know if bash has snarfed up that functionality.
OTOH, if you have root on the destination allow the user to run the command
via sudo if that's something for which it would work.
ciao,
der.hans
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# A t-shirt a day keeps the noose (tie) away. - der.hans
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Mon Apr 28 09:47:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Deepak Saxena)
Date: Mon Apr 28 09:47:02 2003
Subject: June meeting topici
In-Reply-To: <3105097.1051124234033.JavaMail.nobody@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <3105097.1051124234033.JavaMail.nobody@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20030428161300.GA5963@arrakis.plexity.net>
On Apr 23 2003, at 14:57, Alan Dayley was caught saying:
> WooHoo! Drivers and pizza! What a deal!
>
> Let me know if there is any other resources that you may need like a test box or whatever. I'll do the leg work to get/find it.
I think I've got more then the HW I need in my office. :) MontaVista
will provide pizza/pop and I'll reserve the projector. What's the exact
date?
~Deepak
--
In America, you are free to speak your mind as long as you agree
with the majority opinion.
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Mon Apr 28 10:09:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Alan Dayley)
Date: Mon Apr 28 10:09:02 2003
Subject: June meeting topici
In-Reply-To: <20030428161300.GA5963@arrakis.plexity.net>
References: <3105097.1051124234033.JavaMail.nobody@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <20030428161300.GA5963@arrakis.plexity.net>
Message-ID: <3EAD57FD.1050304@adtron.com>
Deepak Saxena wrote:
> I think I've got more then the HW I need in my office. :) MontaVista
> will provide pizza/pop and I'll reserve the projector. What's the exact
> date?
The first Monday in June. That would be the 2nd.
Alan
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 29 14:15:03 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Deepak Saxena)
Date: Tue Apr 29 14:15:03 2003
Subject: June meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <1050965213.1413.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20030422035918.GA16471@arrakis.plexity.net> <1050965213.1413.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20030429204046.GB8972@arrakis.plexity.net>
On Apr 21 2003, at 15:46, Ted Gould was caught saying:
> A presentation that I was thinking about volunteering would be to do a
> one hour introduction to computer architecture. Like really take apart
> a modern RISC pipeline and kinda explain how it all works. Ofcourse, it
> couldn't be too in depth, but I think that I could pull off a reasonable
> overview that would help people code in an hour or so. I could probably
> also go into the memory hierarchy and some caching methods. Comments?
> Ideas? Would that be interesting to anyone besides me?
I'd be interested in doing something like that, and would actually like
to go up a level and add some OS concepts into place. Things like VM
management, caches and cache mangement, scheduling, etc.
~Deepak
--
In America, you are free to speak your mind as long as you agree
with the majority opinion.
From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Tue Apr 29 15:27:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us)
Date: Tue Apr 29 15:27:02 2003
Subject: June meeting topic
Message-ID: <20030429215304.UACE1385.lakecmmtao02.coxmail.com@lakecm2mtao02>
Sounds like a solid one hour presentation! I would be interested in such a meeting including the OS concepts!
-Darwin
>
> From: Deepak Saxena
> Date: 2003/04/29 Tue PM 01:40:46 MST
> To: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: June meeting topic
>
> On Apr 21 2003, at 15:46, Ted Gould was caught saying:
> > A presentation that I was thinking about volunteering would be to do a
> > one hour introduction to computer architecture. Like really take apart
> > a modern RISC pipeline and kinda explain how it all works. Ofcourse, it
> > couldn't be too in depth, but I think that I could pull off a reasonable
> > overview that would help people code in an hour or so. I could probably
> > also go into the memory hierarchy and some caching methods. Comments?
> > Ideas? Would that be interesting to anyone besides me?
>
> I'd be interested in doing something like that, and would actually like
> to go up a level and add some OS concepts into place. Things like VM
> management, caches and cache mangement, scheduling, etc.
>
> ~Deepak
>
>
>
> --
> In America, you are free to speak your mind as long as you agree
> with the majority opinion.
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From plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Wed Apr 30 21:34:02 2003
From: plug-devel@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us (Ted Gould)
Date: Wed Apr 30 21:34:02 2003
Subject: June meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <20030429204046.GB8972@arrakis.plexity.net>
References: <20030422035918.GA16471@arrakis.plexity.net>
<1050965213.1413.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<20030429204046.GB8972@arrakis.plexity.net>
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On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 13:40, Deepak Saxena wrote:
> On Apr 21 2003, at 15:46, Ted Gould was caught saying:
> > A presentation that I was thinking about volunteering would be to do a
> > one hour introduction to computer architecture. Like really take apart
> > a modern RISC pipeline and kinda explain how it all works. Ofcourse, i=
t
> > couldn't be too in depth, but I think that I could pull off a reasonabl=
e
> > overview that would help people code in an hour or so. I could probabl=
y
> > also go into the memory hierarchy and some caching methods. Comments?=20
> > Ideas? Would that be interesting to anyone besides me?
>=20
> I'd be interested in doing something like that, and would actually like=20
> to go up a level and add some OS concepts into place. Things like VM
> management, caches and cache mangement, scheduling, etc.=20
I don't know that anyone could cover all of that in a single hour
presentation... but, I wouldn't mind giving something focusing more on
OS related issues rather than hardware ones. That could be done in an
hour.
--Ted
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