From plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org Tue Jun 12 22:54:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lurker@lists.phxlinux.org Delivered-To: lurker@lists.phxlinux.org Received: from phxlinux.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phxlinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5783332A0008; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:54:49 -0700 (MST) X-Original-To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org Delivered-To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org Received: from o3.31pqt.s2shared.sendgrid.net (o3.31pqt.s2shared.sendgrid.net [167.89.55.59]) by phxlinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2B9032A0007 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:54:47 -0700 (MST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sendgrid.net; h=from:content-type:mime-version:subject:references:to:in-reply-to; s=smtpapi; bh=rucPnpP07JbhHfPJUwblwgpqGQo=; b=l+p4b8ojw1rIhGFkJB QxfONNpHj9jI3+IfDe+nJy69u1jw5D3L/hxH4GmuORxNI6A1b2SFQJ8Pxhel79q+ lkShuY8Ma2CKhZnTmkyV0KDrsHoQ4Xydn/fkhEf0MFpBaEy/XVqe+aBVCEhPQagk ZKCmPPxK8x6ZGaH+q5UM15amI= Received: by filter0006p2las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0006p2las1-14519-5B20B1A6-13 2018-06-13 05:54:46.277700335 +0000 UTC Received: from [192.168.29.114] (unknown [68.106.14.210]) by ismtpd0015p1las1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 7S91rtVVTRS7wwLP2Eob4w for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:54:46.127 +0000 (UTC) From: David Schwartz Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: 10,000 jobs could be lost to robots says Citi Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:54:46 +0000 (UTC) References: To: Main PLUG discussion list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <07ADAF12-0AD9-4F2C-A1FE-753AAAA9F8CD@thetoolwiz.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-SG-EID: dZQ1/SYlSUZf3tQ/0+wmmt56g6LU/Ufc713tK21ZI7sr5mhg4WQl2x/A83x6Wbg7me00Hz7WcQ6933 5n3nm0l6ZaG5wBWki4ON1t8kV2pgOh9C6FhtOjBhi051Kqel2so5AsYD7NQLYmh5ghVB0vBsmXXmW7 zf7RI3WdsVJWvUczsQren2FTSxIZ+YbVfXGCw5yBUT8+ZPaZ2wsN0VFieFAToX87bp0TSaEg2NNMzk utzgF86MCJsqMqmhvnZ5T0 X-BeenThere: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Main PLUG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1751093806021524840==" Errors-To: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org Sender: "PLUG-discuss" --===============1751093806021524840== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E0C760B9-8662-46F8-8038-8DE7F8C2BDD4" --Apple-Mail=_E0C760B9-8662-46F8-8038-8DE7F8C2BDD4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Well, the Good News for folks on this list is that the software industry ha= s still done virtually nothing to improve our own productivity, and as a re= sult the Dept of Labor is still estimating a general shortage of over a mil= lion programmers by 2020.=20 We (as in WE THE PEOPLE) should be investing heavily in developing new tech= nological solutions to replace these jobs, as well as retraiing people disp= laced by corporations more interested in their shareholders than society.= =20 But instead, =E2=80=9Cshrinking the government=E2=80=9D is leaving this inv= estment to the same companies who are laying them off and complaining that = there aren=E2=80=99t enough =E2=80=9Cqualified employees=E2=80=9D to build = the next generation of technology already.=20 And instead of investing in educating the masses (or even retraining the pe= ople they=E2=80=99re laying off), they=E2=80=99re buying back stock and inv= esting their profits in off-shore facilities where they can hire labor at a= fraction of the cost of US labor.=20 Who needs to deal with immigrants when Congress is giving you billions of d= ollars in free money to invest in whatever you can create that gives your s= hareholders the greatest ROI they can possibly get? To add insult to injury, as much as Trump hates immigrants, I=E2=80=99m not= holding my breath until he announces unlimited H-1B visas for people with = degrees in =E2=80=9Cin-demand=E2=80=9D fields like software and engineering= (STEM) from countries with an excess of graduates in those fields, like In= dia, Pakistan, China, S. Korea, Japan, and others. As long as Trump is in office, your best investment is going to be in the s= tock market. Because wages will remain flat, layoffs will increase, the job= market will shrink, job retraining will disappear, unemployment benefits w= ill shrink, welfare will be harder to get, and Trump will do whatever it ta= kes to appease his billionaire buddies. -David Schwartz > On Jun 12, 2018, at 6:42 PM, techlists@phpcoderusa.com wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > The article says in part "...advances in automation will lead to the loss= of over 5 million jobs in 15 major developed and emerging economies by 202= 0.". >=20 > https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=3D3cK2FVJjyu2N-2Bxco034fZqJ= RbsRcAE6uYSiUnqml3q-2B94ZIAHmSIs4JcyImTUqpcRn4JbAT8slIOmR24WnVTe3Z0zBv0cYCH= dW4PZu7Ao416k99vAd1fjxyrvO7KcqKP_6lpMB7VLnN-2Fj9-2FEErg8-2F-2BMBpb5QxlByTgv= 2M3fbWD9ebvC-2BWrN3h7jImK8EVWYBerEEJnEgs-2FxkggngyJL9iLYHnn1zfDDTunNZKb85Pp= 2GA2APtJxfAFrwn1VvWy9PAsm1kvTJH1lq3NzRh9TdemmSCq5fPaL5hckbOLSVPvKQBZkgKvxCr= EYyUPXN628YieQBae-2FRLeoXJfAb8qatRFbS1x6YtStct3VGm2OEaGvM-3D > I'm starting to see lots of articles like this one. I'm reading that who= le industries will be wiped out within the next 20 years.=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_E0C760B9-8662-46F8-8038-8DE7F8C2BDD4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Well, the Good News for fo= lks on this list is that the software industry has still done virtually not= hing to improve our own productivity, and as a result the Dept of Labor is = still estimating a general shortage of over a million programmers by 2020.&= nbsp;

We (as in WE THE = PEOPLE) should be investing heavily in developing new technological solutio= ns to replace these jobs, as well as retraiing people displaced by corporat= ions more interested in their shareholders than society. 

But instead, =E2=80=9Cshrinki= ng the government=E2=80=9D is leaving this investment to the same companies= who are laying them off and complaining that there aren=E2=80=99t enough = =E2=80=9Cqualified employees=E2=80=9D to build the next generation of techn= ology already. 

And instead of investing in educating the masses (or even retraining = the people they=E2=80=99re laying off), they=E2=80=99re buying back stock a= nd investing their profits in off-shore facilities where they can hire labo= r at a fraction of the cost of US labor. 

Who needs to deal with immigrants when Congre= ss is giving you billions of dollars in free money to invest in whatever yo= u can create that gives your shareholders the greatest ROI they can possibl= y get?

To add insult to injury, as much as Trump hates immigrants, I= =E2=80=99m not holding my breath until he announces unlimited H-1B visas fo= r people with degrees in =E2=80=9Cin-demand=E2=80=9D fields like software a= nd engineering (STEM) from countries with an excess of graduates in those f= ields, like India, Pakistan, China, S. Korea, Japan, and others.

As long as Trump is in offi= ce, your best investment is going to be in the stock market. Because wages = will remain flat, layoffs will increase, the job market will shrink, job re= training will disappear, unemployment benefits will shrink, welfare will be= harder to get, and Trump will do whatever it takes to appease his billiona= ire buddies.

-David Schwartz



On= Jun 12, 2018, at 6:42 PM, techlists@phpcoderusa.com wrote:


The article says in part "...advances i= n automation will lead to the loss of over 5 million jobs in 15 major devel= oped and emerging economies by 2020.".

https://www.finextra.com/newsarticle/32240/10000-jobs-could-be-lost-to-rob= ots-says-citi

I'm starting to see lots of article= s like this one.  I'm reading that whole industries will be wiped out = within the next 20 years. 


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