Separate VM's under the host for each, I don't nest vm's under vm's.  Maybe if I were trying to run esx under the parent to play with vmware or something, but as you said, not common.

I have some spreadsheets that drive libreoffice absolutely batsh!t crazy, mostly doing a complex concatenate to generate switch configs off some columns of data.  Doing so still causes libre to wretch and lag and hang and use a globs of cpu/memory for some reason.  I write it off as a peculiarity of libreoffice, which I've just not tried elsewhere to see if any better.  More often than not, I find office is worse, or different enough to just break my formulas.

Cisco price lists kill it with just sheer volumes of rows... 

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On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Matt Graham <mhgraham@crow202.org> wrote:
On 2017-09-07 11:40, Michael Butash wrote:
For windoze images, I tend to give it 8gb of ram, as I do some
complex visios that have gotten cranky with less.  [...]
spawning vendor appliances from f5, palo alto, or fortinet tend to all
want 4-8gb of ram as a start.  Throw in GNS3 routing instances for
cisco things, and it goes quick there too.

Libreoffice gets ram-hungry with some formula spreadsheets too,
having seen it using ~20gb at times as well with some of the more huge
price lists or interface config generating forms I use.

I'd love to know how folks get by on 4 or 8gb of ram these days...

They're not using super-complex Visio things or running a bunch of networking appliances in separate VMs?  The latter seems like a thing very few people would need to do.  Gigantic spreadsheets are probably a more common thing.  I can't really say. Almost every spreadsheet I've seen in the last ten years has been "present textual data in a tabular format", not "do math on numbers", and they've almost all been under 10,000 rows.

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