Lenovo UEFI boot is kinda surreal. Very little warning that Bios has gone by before the OS is loading. On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Brian Cluff wrote: > Same here. I find UEFI to be superior to BIOS, but secure boot, can be > problematic, but mostly because of who has to sign the boot loaders. > > Most people that I have run into actually just have a beef with not having > the familiar MBR style of booting, but that just comes from a lack of > experience with proper UEFI boot experience, and not realizing that the way > UEFI boots things is completely different to the way BIOS boots things... > like not realizing that you are required to have a EFI partition on your > drive. Most of the time that I've seen an unbootable UEFI system is > because the whole system was partitioned without that necessary partition, > so the system will be fully installed, just without any way to be booted. > > Once I wrapped my head around the way UEFI boots systems I found it to be > a much better system than the old MBR method that tends to only allow the > last system to load to actually boot... especially if that last system is > windows. > > Brian Cluff > > > On 05/03/2018 04:19 PM, Stephen Partington wrote: > > I have had no issues with UEFI and Linux. The only time I have arguments > with it is surrounding the secure boot process and playing nice with windows > > On Thu, May 3, 2018, 4:00 PM Eric Oyen wrote: > >> I suspect that he would like to remove at least 1.5 layers of kernel code >> between the OS and the hardware. >> >> Honestly, I really wish the UEFI consortium would get with the program >> and compile in some BrltTY support (it's easy enough to do considering that >> BrltTY is lightweight, can have it's libs compiled in and should work under >> the UEFI Linux-like environment. >> >> Believe me, having braille or speech available right from the POST would >> greatly enhance my ability to deal with specific hardware issues that crop >> up from time to time. >> >> -eric >> >> On May 3, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Stephen Partington wrote: >> >> Bios is older than me. Is there a specific reason you want to disable >> UEFI? >> >> On Thu, May 3, 2018, 3:22 PM Matthew Crews >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On May 2, 2018 9:19 PM, wrote: >>> >>> > How can I disable UEFI on my Thinkpad T430 >>> > so I can install Linux Mint 18? >>> > >>> > I've search the net and tried numerous "solutions" >>> > but can't get any of them to work. >>> >>> My gut tells me that you can't on your specific machine. Most >>> motherboard vendors have deprecated BIOS support in favor of UEFI, and >>> Intel has specifically said that BIOS will not be supported in 2020. Best >>> get used to the idea of running with UEFI, as much as we all hate it. >>> >>> Perhaps what you should be looking to do is disable SecureBoot, and then >>> looking into installing Linux Mint 18 in UEFI mode? I'd wager that the MInt >>> installer supports UEFI. Worst case you install Ubuntu or one of its >>> variants, they definitely support UEFI. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen