With my domain hosting at google domains they have an option to take all domain.thing and www.domain.thing and direct it all to a single URL, HTTP or HTTPS which I can then use to run a dynamic DNS link at home. in this case, they support a dynamic DNS directly. so that works out really nicely On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Michael Butash wrote: > Ah, that's an interesting conundrum, haven't had to setup a website in a > good while since I let lapse my digitalocean instance, wasn't so much an > issue there. > > Guess there's always reverse proxies for that if a necessity. It was just > easier to put stuff like that out on a cheap instance somewhere I used > occasionally than fight cox anyways. > > -mb > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Stephen Partington > wrote: > >> the only thing I care about for HTTP at all is my Synology letsencypt >> cert call requires 80, and only 80. >> >> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Michael Butash >> wrote: >> >>> Agreed here about just doing https, I've just always used straight >>> ipsec/openvpn, or later a https sslvpn to connect home to things when >>> allowed. Never really had a need otherwise to host 80 or smtp, and back >>> then they even blocked 443. At some point later they stopped filtering >>> https (think Partington mentioned this - thanks again!), which made life >>> easier at least to present some form of web externally, so long as your >>> users were smart enough to put https:// first, or use a redirect >>> service in front as mentioned. >>> >>> Past few years, I use https://www.zerotier.com for connecting all my >>> hosts vs. traditional vpn to connect behind firewalls/filters, which gives >>> me always on vpn between any of my hosts that run the client and join my >>> SDN network there. Runs on pretty much everything, including my various >>> pi/arm linux systems, android, whatever really, and give you 100 clients >>> for free. This gives me essentially a layer 2 network between all my >>> hosts, minus multicast propagation (damn mdns address restrictions). >>> >>> I love this service, and recently noticed they have a hardware offering >>> on kickstarter even. >>> >>> -mb >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Stephen Partington < >>> cryptworks@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> My solution is to run everything on https with a lets encrypt cert and >>>> a port 80 to 443 redirect via my Domain registrar. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:30 PM, der.hans wrote: >>>> >>>>> Am 19. Nov, 2017 schwätzte kelly stephenson so: >>>>> >>>>> moin moin, >>>>> >>>>> Cox blocks incoming port 80 requests, what is your plan to get around >>>>>> this >>>>>> for your web site you plan on hosting? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cox residential blocks ports. I have gotten around it for years by not >>>>> using Cox residential :). >>>>> >>>>> Most of the time I've used Cox business, which will allow all ports. >>>>> You >>>>> might have to request 80 and 25 get unblocked. >>>>> >>>>> I have also used Century Link residential, which will also allow all >>>>> ports. You will have to specifically request unblocking for port 25. >>>>> >>>>> Both will let you know if they're getting complaints about your web or >>>>> SMTP services. >>>>> >>>>> Both give you a static IP and the option to rent out a block. You'll >>>>> have >>>>> to contact them to request RR records. >>>>> >>>>> In my experience, Cox doesn't understand the concept of a static IP. I >>>>> have had 3 yanked out from me with at most a couple days notice. One >>>>> was >>>>> zero notice because they didn't notice my IP was in use. That was years >>>>> ago, but I was obviously massively underimpressed with Cox customer >>>>> service. >>>>> >>>>> ciao, >>>>> >>>>> der.hans >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 7:01 PM, "Eric Oyen" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> oh joy! they would make you have to adapt to a new technology. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -eric >>>>>>> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, You can't get >>>>>>> there from >>>>>>> here Dept. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Stephen Partington wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am looking at a node.js nginx build because my current hosting >>>>>>> company >>>>>>> won't support node.js without a Vps and I cannot wrap my head around >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Google cloud app engine yet for posting node.js yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 6:50 PM, "Eric Oyen" wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yep. :) >>>>>>>> I am going to have to setup a DMZ on my personal router pointed to a >>>>>>>> specific machine. there I will have to setup the web server, a site >>>>>>>> (which >>>>>>>> I will need to register) and a few other goodies. nice thing about >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> router, I can assign separate subnet segments to each port. this >>>>>>>> way, if >>>>>>>> anyone gets control of the web server, about all they can see is >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> subnet (and the administrative interface for the router will >>>>>>>> definitely be >>>>>>>> locked out on that port, so no control there either). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> my only questiild, IT support Dept. >>>>>>>> on, what to use as a web server (I am also looking at putting an >>>>>>>> SDR on >>>>>>>> there for remote hf/vhf/uhf/shf reception). I was thinking a >>>>>>>> raspberry pie >>>>>>>> late generation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -eric >>>>>>>> from the central offices of the Technomage Gu >>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Stephen Partington wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I got in when they were around 2 tb. And since then they reset it to >>>>>>>> unlimited. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Funny thing is running my own web server of an SSD cached Mac mini >>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>> like a champ. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 5:29 PM, "Eric Oyen" wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> well, >>>>>>>>> it took a little thinking to come up with the figure they quote for >>>>>>>>> monthly usage. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Consider that a typical 1080p Hi-def video stream is about 750 >>>>>>>>> Kb/sec. >>>>>>>>> if left going 24/7 for 30 days, that would be 2.7 GB per hour or >>>>>>>>> about 64 >>>>>>>>> Gb per day. over the course of a month, that is: 1.944 Tb. now, so >>>>>>>>> far as I >>>>>>>>> know, no one leaves their TV on live stream 24/7 for 30 days. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> so, given normal usage patterns (tv watching of about 20 hours per >>>>>>>>> week), plus web browsing and email, etc, 1 TB would be max typical >>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>> standard residential circuit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> now, I do have a room mate who falls asleep with the tv streaming >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> content or another, so it's quite possible that we are over 1 TB >>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>> last 30 days. Since I am on biz class here, I don't have to worry >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> that 1 TB cap. :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -eric >>>>>>>>> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Internet >>>>>>>>> streaming >>>>>>>>> Dept. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Brian Cluff wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wow... so they are literally selling you a connection that you can >>>>>>>>> exceed your monthly allowance in a little over 15 minutes of use >>>>>>>>> if you >>>>>>>>> could find a service that would saturate your connection. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LAME! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Brian Cluff >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2017 03:26 PM, Stephen Partington wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wow. Looks like they did change it right after I got it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.cox.com/aboutus/policies/speeds-and-data-plans.h >>>>>>>>> tml?zip=85228 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 12:48 PM, "Jerry Snitselaar" >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun Nov 19 17, Stephen Partington wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Last I read gigablast was 2t not 1. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What it shows on the page for services and offers is 1024gb. >>>>>>>>>> Could be a >>>>>>>>>> typo, >>>>>>>>>> but the offer details page also said all plans offer 1024gb data. >>>>>>>>>> Will >>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>> out when I call. :) Would be nice if it was 2t, that would mean I >>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>> drop >>>>>>>>>> the $30 I pay for the extra 500gb cushion each month, and >>>>>>>>>> basically pay >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> I'm paying now to get gigablast. I do think I remember seeing >>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> one point where it was 2t, but that was a while ago. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 12:05 PM, wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat Nov 18 17, Stephen Partington wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is what i had before gig. And the service was great. But i >>>>>>>>>>> use way >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> more than 1t of data in a month. So gig was actually a savings. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They have capped new gigablast subscribers with the 1tb limit >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately. >>>>>>>>>>> If you had it prior to late Sept, then you continue to get the >>>>>>>>>>> unlimited >>>>>>>>>>> data. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017 4:38 PM, wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am using Cox Communications "Ultimate" package. 300 Mbps >>>>>>>>>>>> download, >>>>>>>>>>>> 30 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mbps upload, with measured values usually 5 to 10 percent above >>>>>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>>>>>> values. Also I get 1 Tbyte usage per month. the price is >>>>>>>>>>>>> $100 per >>>>>>>>>>>>> month. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am very pleased with this service. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --------- Original Message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Cox Gigablast >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Eric Oyen" >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 11/18/17 10:48 am >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" >>>>>>>>>>>> rg> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> let me dig up the sales number for cox business. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't find the phone number directly, but there is this >>>>>>>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>>>>>>> here: >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cox.com/business/contact-us/contact-sales.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I just called them through their residential number. they gave >>>>>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> number for direct contact: 800-529-5118 <(800)%20529-5118> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hope this helps. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> btw, I am on cox business premier service. it's 50 mbits/11 >>>>>>>>>>>>> mbits >>>>>>>>>>>>> for only >>>>>>>>>>>>> $79 monthly. I also use chrome cast here from youtube tv for >>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>> $35 a >>>>>>>>>>>>> month. so, I am definitely spending over $140 less than I >>>>>>>>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> residential service (including tv). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hope this helps. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric Oyen >>>>>>>>>>>>> From the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Support >>>>>>>>>>>>> Referrals >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dept. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Snyder, Alexander J wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I'll take you up on that. Any information on how I get >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> promised land would be very welcome! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8+ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017 10:20, "Eric Oyen" >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you might have to call cox business and speak to Jame Hidalgo. >>>>>>>>>>>>> He is >>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> contact over there. btw, business class internet doesn't suffer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard cap that you got charged for this last time out. they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to the fiber that you want. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now, sure, most of the tier 1 droids at residential customer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> service are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> good people. However, anyone who has ever worked a CSr desk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all have to run from a script. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, if you call Jame Hidalgo at cox business, please tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>> him >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> referred you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric OYen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the central office of the Technomage Guild, Internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> services >>>>>>>>>>>>>> referrals Dept. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:44 AM, techlists@phpcoderusa.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Asked for a supervisor. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2017-11-17 12:38, Snyder, Alexander J wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind of irritated by this ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cox lays fiber in my subdivision, has the service trucks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrapped in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gigablast" vinyl adverts ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Service folk gladly sharing that "it's for gigablast" ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did my giddy dance, nerdgasm, the whole 9 yards ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> #ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I called them each week and spoke to customer service folks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seemed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be less informed than the guy last week ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bro ... that was 6 months ago. >:-( >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only major development was Cox billing me for going over >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1TB a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth a month. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friends in Auhtukee and Glendale have it, and are quite happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why can't I have this happiness? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AloneAndHopless ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 17, 2017 12:13, "Jerry Snitselaar" >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone using this service? It looks like it finally arrived >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in our >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhood. I'd prefer to try Google Fiber, but that seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dead in the valley since their competitors complained about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were able to make with the cities. 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