It keeps me employed as my business and personal both, less annoyance at system instability slapping against the 32gb limit, and feeds my tech fetishes, so it's worth it to me. I cobbled it together myself from mostly used/refurbed parts as cheap as possible (cpu/mobo/case/mem), rest like ssd's and video were new, and was around $4k for the parts all together. Pricey yes, but considering a similar server/workstation from dell easly costs upward of $8-10k in a same config, I'm still money ahead. I could spend that much on some pos alienware system with glow-y lights and glitzy things with half the functionality. -mb On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Snyder, Alexander J < alex@misteralexander.com> wrote: > 50-60 GBs of RAM consistently?!? A LAPTOP with 128GB of memory?!!? > > I assume you go swimming in your pile of money each night after work, Mr. > McDuck! > > ;-) > > Thanks, > Alex. > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8+ > > On Sep 6, 2017 13:07, "Michael Butash" wrote: > >> I do run a lot of VM's, almost always at least a windoze vm for visio and >> crappy conferencing software, sometimes playing with firewall or other >> network appliances, sometimes linux monitoring system appliances I've >> built, etc. That and I tend to run a lot of tabs, so 16gb of ram usually >> just isn't enough from my last system. I just moved to 128gb of ram in my >> desktop as 32gb I'd depelete quick too. >> >> I certain didn't need a 1tb ssd, but the cost difference was marginal >> enough I said screw it. My last few laptops and desktops with 512gb of ssd >> is just fine for me. >> >> I've tried the approach of running a vmware cluster at home for that >> purpose with far more resources to run VM's in, but end of the day, the >> heat/power wasn't worth it vs. just adding some ram and running what I >> needed between my desktop and laptop. Plus vmware management is shite >> anymore related to vcenter/esx, so for my needs, virtualbox is just fine. >> >> Another big reason for the ram is chrom[e|ium] is a fsck'ing pig still. >> With my deskop usage, between chrome and vm's, it's not uncommon to run >> around 50-60gb of ram all the time. I got tired of hitting EOM's and weird >> lag across the board as memory usage would fluctuate greatly in desktop use. >> >> -mb >> >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:26 PM, wrote: >> >>> >>> What are you doing that requires a top of the line CPU, 32G RAM, and a >>> 1T SSD? >>> >>> I'm a developer and am seeing a trend toward the cloud. PhpStorm >>> provides for editing directly on the dev server, GIT for moving code onto >>> the staging server and then onto the production server. I'm moving to >>> Plesk that allows me to run PHP 5.6 for older code and PHP 7 for newer >>> code, while running Ubuntu 16.04lts. Both versions of PHP on the same VPS. >>> >>> Given that a baseline laptop with decent graphics, 8G RAM, and a 128G >>> SSD should be enough. >>> >>> Unless one is running many local virtual machines, doing some serious >>> video or image work, or doing lots of compiling... I am think the cloud >>> and thin client hardware is the way to go. >>> >>> Your thoughts? >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2017-09-06 10:42, Michael Butash wrote: >>> >>> Yup, the precision 3000/5000 is almost a direct clone of the xps13/15, >>> just with different graphics (geforce vs. quadro), wifi (atheros vs. >>> intel), and proc (xeon options). Nothing else really different I could >>> tell other than price. I went with the xps as consumer coupons go higher >>> than precision discounts. >>> >>> I usually just shop bensbargains.com or dealnews, wait for a dell >>> outlet refurb coupon to go 35-40% around a holiday, and score a laptop then >>> for some steep savings. I got this xps15 loaded with the 4k display, >>> nvidia gpu, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for $1950 out the door. Worst part of buying >>> from dell is sales tax. :( >>> >>> -mb >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Stephen Partington >> > wrote: >>> >>>> I have been seeing Ubuntu offered on their precision mobile >>>> workstations... >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Carruth, Rusty < >>>> Rusty.Carruth@smartm.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Actually, comparing the Alienware that I bought vs a very similar one >>>>> at System 76: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Alienware: 16G RAM, 4K display, 1T rotating drive, 128G SSD, I7-7700: >>>>> List $2066, paid $1536 >>>>> >>>>> System76: 16G RAM, 1080P, 2T rotating drive, 512G SSD, >>>>> I7-7700: list under $1500. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, double the rotator size, 4x the SSD size, and remove the 4K >>>>> display – and save around $500. I'd say 76 isn't bad, price-wise. The >>>>> primary reason I got the alien was because of the 4K and similar price (I >>>>> did a side-by-side comparison at the store. 4K really is better, and when I >>>>> got home and booted Linux on it – whoa!). (Don't know which video card >>>>> they each had – I'm not going to be doing gaming (much?) so don't care that >>>>> much... I think) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, live booting the Mint 17.3 DVD resulted in no Ethernet >>>>> or WiFi. I'm downloading 18.2 now to see if that's better, as a google >>>>> search seems to imply it is. But the display! Oh, my goodness! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh, by the way – the alienware has only ONE 'standard' disk slot, but >>>>> 3, yes THREE M.2 slots – one very short, the other 2 full-length. And only >>>>> 2 RAM slots. Which is too bad – my Lenovo for work (17" also) has 2 >>>>> standard slots and 2 M.2 slots (and 4 RAM slots) – I mean, its not like >>>>> they don't have ROOM, for goodness sake! But then, the Lenovo was almost >>>>> $3000. Of course, it had a 1TB SSD as well as 16G of ram and the TOP video >>>>> card... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org] *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Michael >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 05, 2017 7:15 PM >>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> system76 is expensive too >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Phil Waclawski < >>>>> phil.waclawski@mesacc.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have a laptop from zareason that I've used for several years. It was >>>>> a touch pricey, but still powerful enough to do a lot. They also will >>>>> install different flavors of linux for you. >>>>> >>>>> Phil Waclawski >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Mark Phillips < >>>>> mark@phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Rusty, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Did you check out System 76 laptops? They come with Ubuntu installed, >>>>> but I think you can ask for any distro. I have been using their hardware >>>>> for a couple of years, and it is flawless. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Michael Butash >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I just went through this with a new dell, where I used the local >>>>> windoze tools to make a usb backup imagine with their software to a 16gb >>>>> drive, and just tossed it in a drawer if I ever need to restore things. >>>>> That supposedly restores their recovery partitions and windoze itself, >>>>> which should be everything... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'd not put faith in some tier 1 rep telling you linux voids the >>>>> warranty. It was probably one of those "What is linux? Yeah, don't do >>>>> that." sort of comments ignorant agents might spew, but otherwise shouldn't >>>>> matter. If you restore the disk and bios to prior function, they should be >>>>> none the wiser anyways. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -mb >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:37 AM, irb >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> * Carruth, Rusty (aka Rusty.Carruth@smartm.com) used 15K on Tue, 05 >>>>> Sep 2017 at 17:21 +0000 to say: >>>>> > >>>>> > (By the way – does anyone remember the 'windows refund day' many >>>>> years back? >>>>> > System vendors refused to honor the refund clause stated in the EULA >>>>> (or >>>>> > whatever it was), claiming that Microsoft had to honor it, and >>>>> Micro$oft >>>>> > claimed that it was the responsibility of the system vendors (which, >>>>> indeed, >>>>> > it was). But as far as I know, NOBODY got their refund.... Again, >>>>> where's >>>>> > the lawyers????) >>>>> >>>>> I remember that, as part of BALUG many years ago. I never got a refund >>>>> and >>>>> Microsoft tried to turn it to their advantage by setting up a booth. I >>>>> think >>>>> there's a documentary out there somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> When dealing with warranty crap from laptop vendors I just take an >>>>> image of >>>>> the drive. If I have to send it in I don't include the drive anyway, >>>>> and I've >>>>> never been given grief over it. Still, having an original hardware >>>>> backup >>>>> like that is kinda cool. >>>>> >>>>> /i. >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >>>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >