I saw there was something for Open Office, I'll have to look for it. Look at this - this is on the right track! http://sonargnulinux.com/ Eye tracking software for usability! On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Ed wrote: > Google has a Accessibility Scanner for Android: > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google. > android.apps.accessibility.auditor&hl=en > and the home site: > https://www.google.com/accessibility/ > > I have not used it yet, but it looks like a good addition to any > deployment pipeline. > > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Kaoru Wilbur > wrote: > > You could also try siteimprove. > > They also have a free extension for chrome. but charge for the service > > otherwise. We use that here too. > > > > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Kaoru Wilbur > > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Eric , > >> > >> Since you are on the West side... Anyway, there are a few things we can > >> discuss here. > >> first... if you are interested in getting involved with the w3c group > for > >> wcag ( Web Content Accessibility Guidelines) there are a couple of > groups > >> you can join. The groups on W3c itself are closed to the public. If you > work > >> for a certain organization that is listed as part of their community > effort, > >> then, you can possibly get in. An easier way to contribute is to join > them > >> on Github. > >> There is a w3c wcag and ARIA. Changes, edits, etc are done there for > >> standards. > >> > >> As far as Drupal is concerned, I wasn't really impressed by their > modules > >> relevant to accessibility. Of course, maybe I wasn't looking in the > right > >> place but. Yea. > >> > >> 3rd party plugin tool. > >> One tool I use to check content for accessibility is Wave. This does a > >> pretty good check of accessibility items. > >> > >> now, that being said, something that works during the html generation > >> process or html "writing" process would be nice. If you know of > anything, > >> let me know. > >> > >> I am also involved in a project that is a debian based distro .for > >> accessibility but that is a long time coming as the tools are seriously > >> lacking. > >> Those who have good tools charge a lot of money and I would personally > >> like to see more open source projects with regard to accessibility - > like > >> the ones adafruit have listed that hans linked to earlier in this > thread. > >> > >> We really need better tools. > >> If you look at the tools listed in the W3c accessibility area, many are > >> out of date, obsolete, abandoned or not working. > >> For example, if you find a good tool for contrast - let me know. > >> There are some that are very simple. However, I think there could be > much > >> better tools and utilities for accessibility. > >> > >> Blind is definitely one are but there are many other visually impaired > to > >> consider - that is where contrast comes in, right. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Eric Oyen > wrote: > >>> > >>> I would like to go myself, but I am in need of a ride from the west > side. > >>> There are just times when I hate living so far away from the center of > >>> things. > >>> > >>> -eric > >>> From the central office of the Technomage Guild, Dept of monorail > >>> development. > >>> > >>> On May 24, 2017, at 10:38 PM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote: > >>> > >>> So I actually work with Drupal and have some experience wrt > accessibility > >>> at the University. I'll be at coffee hour tomorrow if anyone wants to > chat > >>> more about Drupal and accessibility - some tools for WCAG compliance - > >>> contrast tools (how they are not working great) and what we are doing > at the > >>> W3c wrt accessibility and how you can get involved. > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 2:30 PM, der.hans wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Am 19. May, 2017 schwätzte der.hans so: > >>>> > >>>> moin moin, > >>>> > >>>> and another device popped up. > >>>> > >>>> https://plus.google.com/+adafruit/posts/6NH2VfeutQ1 > >>>> > >>>> ciao, > >>>> > >>>> der.hans > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Am 29. Apr, 2017 schwätzte Eric Oyen so: > >>>>> > >>>>> moin moin, > >>>>> > >>>>> a post about a real-time braille converter from MIT reminds me that I > >>>>> didn't report back on the demo for the accessible web-authoring tool. > >>>>> > >>>>> Here's the braille converter post. > >>>>> > >>>>> https://plus.google.com/+adafruit/posts/eLygbwBhra2 > >>>>> > >>>>> The demo ended up using WordPress and was well received. The > committee > >>>>> was > >>>>> impressed, but it will be some time before an official response is > >>>>> given. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks again for the feedback. It was quite helpful. > >>>>> > >>>>> ciao, > >>>>> > >>>>> der.hans > >>>>> > >>>>>> well, here is a suggestion from one of the blind users of Linux who > >>>>>> does a lot of web authoring.. Der Hands, you got this one? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -eric > >>>>>> from the central office of the Technomage Huild, Datasphere projects > >>>>>> office > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: accessible web-authoring system > >>>>>>> Date: April 29, 2017 4:20:51 AM MST > >>>>>>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com > >>>>>>> Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tony Baechler here. I'm sure others will chime in, but here are my > >>>>>>> thoughts: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. The most accessible is plain, static HTML. Obviously not > practical > >>>>>>> for large sites, but for a few pages, it's good enough. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. WordPress is the most popular. It's generally very accessible. > >>>>>>> There are things which could be made better, but it's good enough > to design > >>>>>>> decent sites. I ran a podcast with it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. Drupal is also very good, but the latest major release (8.0.X) > is > >>>>>>> very difficult to use and far from accessible unless I missed > something > >>>>>>> obvious. I had it running on a server and it was so bad that I > gave up. 7.X > >>>>>>> should be better, but will reach end of life in a year or two and > only gets > >>>>>>> bug and security fixes. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Joomla is very inaccessible and should absolutely be avoided. I > >>>>>>> couldn't do anything with it, but that was a long time ago. The > key is if > >>>>>>> the admin interface is accessible or not. I would go with > WordPress due to > >>>>>>> the huge number of themes, frequent updates and overall decent > >>>>>>> accessibility. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Another option is wiki software. There are a lot of wiki packages > out > >>>>>>> there. I liked ikiwiki when I looked at it. It obviously depends > on the site > >>>>>>> you're designing. Of the above, I think only ikiwiki is fully > accessible > >>>>>>> with a text browser, but WordPress is tolerable. You can do most > functions > >>>>>>> with wp-cli if you like the command line. Drupal has drush, but I > couldn't > >>>>>>> get it to work. WordPress is much easier to upgrade and can do > minor updates > >>>>>>> itself. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 4/28/2017 3:43 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> hey guys, > >>>>>>>> I forwarded this over from the Phoenix Linux Users Group. Perhaps > >>>>>>>> one of us can help out? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -eric > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> From: "der.hans" > >>>>>>>>> Subject: accessible web-authoring system > >>>>>>>>> Date: April 28, 2017 12:32:48 PM MST > >>>>>>>>> To: quatsch > >>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> moin moin, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> anyone have experience with an accessible Free Software > >>>>>>>>> web-authoring > >>>>>>>>> system? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> A friend works in accessibiilty ( all sorts of physical and > mental > >>>>>>>>> handicaps ) and is asking for a recommendation. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I presume Drupal, Joomla! and WordPress have plugins to help, > but I > >>>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>> no experience. The closest thing I have to experience is demos > from > >>>>>>>>> some > >>>>>>>>> blind guys using emacs for their own infrastructure. Amazing, but > >>>>>>>>> not the > >>>>>>>>> first thing to suggest. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list > >>>>>>> Blinux-list@red > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.PhxLinux.org/ > >>>> # Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- > >>>> # I took the one less traveled by, > >>>> # And that has made all the difference. -- Robert Frost > >>>> # I, OTOH, prefer to just go stomping through the desert... - > der.hans > >>>> --------------------------------------------------- > >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------- > >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------- > >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >